The Confessionals - 488: Nephilim Portal Babies

Episode Date: October 25, 2022

In Episode 488: Nephilim Portal Babies, we have a very large crossover show with Joel Thomas from VanTesla and Kill The Mockingbirds, Erick from uNcomfortable, and Justin and Jay from Cryptids of the Corn. A few months ago we put out an episode with Joel called "Rise Of The Nephilim" and as he started to share his theory about what he thinks is happening with fallen angels and Nephilim hybrids, our technology malfunctioned. I most likely would not have thought twice about it, except that this wasn't the first time it had happened to Joel when talking about this specific subject matter. Weird tech glitches happened during his recordings on both Justin and Jay's podcast and Erick's podcast. Not only that, Joel also predicted that we would have tech issues when we recorded our show together. When it actually happened, it gave me a reason to be intrigued. We started to feel like there was someone or something making a concerted effort to keep this information from getting out. So we planned for all the guys to join me at my studio to get the story out in one shot, once and for all. On Episode 488, we share a recording that lasted over 4 hours, talking about what brought us together, Joel's theory on the Nephilim portal babies, and what happened to us the night before the recording at an Airbnb the guys had rented.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!GET Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5GET ExpressVPN: www.expressvpn.com/confessCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube: https://bit.ly/3yH4kvGApple Music: https://apple.co/3nDfsU1Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3nErEUIAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel Media This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill but no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long, boning fingers reach up underneath the door curl up to grab it and then disappear

When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and fire firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast, and spears,

Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face, they basically decapitated. I feel something pulling at my leg, and I look over and there are two small gray entities, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. It's pushed, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move,

because I know I'm seeing. I'm seeing a monster. Yeah. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've a crazy, wild experience, you want to share with me on the show.

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I'm going to move back from that. If you are interested at any kind of food preparation, go to prepare with the Confessionalspodcast.com. All right, today we have an interesting show for everybody because I have in studio guests and I actually have three different, technically four podcasts outside of the confessionals in this room right now, but one of them isn't going to be on the mic today. But we have three other podcasts on the table at the table here, ready to chop it up today because if people remember a couple months ago, I came out with an episode called Rise of

the Nephilim. And I had Joel from Van Tesla, aka Joel from the Kill the Mockingbirds podcast here in studio with Sean Chris. And Joel started talking about his experiences of weirdness when he starts talking about a certain topic he's been diving into and trying to understand the Nephilim and fallen angels. And he's breaking some grounds that he hasn't heard before. And every time he talks about it. Weird things happen to these recordings that he's recording on for other people's podcast. So it happened to me. It happened to Eric from Uncomfortable Podcasts and it happened to Justin and Jay from Cryptids of the Corn. And they are all here in studio with me because I told you guys on that episode that we were going to do this again. I was going to get all the guys here in studio

and we were going to knock this recording out in one shot where Joel can just go all in 100 percent, no time limits. He's going to go in on things and we're going to get this done. Hopefully, we have a couple of different recordings here going right now in the studio as backups. And hopefully we can just get this thing done out to you guys and let you guys make up your mind and decide what you want to believe. But we have a very interesting conversation here for you today. That said, fellas, how are you guys doing? Living the dream. Eric Tony, how are you? Good to see you.

Yo. What's up, Joel? So listen, first of all, if, Justin, Listen, if you're sitting next to me, if I smell like a chick, it's because I wore, not wore. I used my wife, her body wash today. So I'm a little self-conscious. I keep smelling my wife. I'm like, why is my wife? I'm like, oh, that's right.

Yeah, I did, actually. You know, Ward gave us absolute hell for that on the trip, the dog-man trip. It exfoliates the skin very well. It makes me feel great afterwards. I'm not apologizing for that. But no, I ran on a body wash tonight, so I used my wife's, and I'm smelling her. I'm like, what the heck? And I'm like, these guys are going to think I smell like a chick, you know?

But listen, guys, I appreciate you being here. I know the trip was a long trip for all you guys. Joel had the shortest one. It was it four hours for you? Yeah, a little over. Yeah. So, I mean, we got guys coming in from out of state and stuff for this whole thing. And it's something that, you know, I thought was important to do.

And I thought it would be fun to do, interesting to do. And so I'm really grateful that you guys all thought the same. And so before we get into, you know, the subject matter of the day and all that stuff. Let's just go around the table and introduce ourselves to everybody. Obviously, everybody knows who I am, but I'll actually do it. Actually, let me rewind. I'll actually do that now because you guys are going to be broadcasting this on your RSS feeds as well. So when this drops, it's going to drop on Kill the Mockingbirds. It's going to drop on uncomfortable. And it's going to drop on cryptids of the corn all the same time. So, hi, my name is Tony Merkel. I'm a podcaster.

I host the show The Confessionals Podcast. And I'm happy to be here. today. I'm Joel Thomas. I'm one half of the music group Van Tesla, which a lot of you know I've been doing a lot of stuff with Tony. Everything, actually. It's because you're a sci-op and I'm a gullible guy. That's what people are saying. They're saying you're a sci-op. Listen, they tell my partner, Sean, Chris, the same thing. Anytime he jumps on another podcast or whatever, you know, I'm a Freemasonic controlled op. And the reason why they say that, though, is because you are a Mason. Correct. In the sense. of I was.

No, you are. You never left, right? You're just not practicing. I'm not practicing. Right. And I wouldn't go back at this point. So, yeah, I don't know if there's ever a phase that you get out. I've talked to other guys that are in the same situation as me where they just left. You know what I mean? Like, you know, once you've been through, you've been through, you can't take that part back. So, you know, and I get people that, especially in our world, you're going to be paranoid and leery and I understand why people can be that way. But I also know that people can change and all that stuff too.

But anyway, I'm also part of Kill the Mockingbirds, which I'm Chris, we just talked about that too. I've been working with him now for months. He had a podcast running for a while, but he was looking for a steady partner and it just worked out. He and I do music together too. So it all worked out around the table on that one.

Yeah, before we move on to Eric here, I forgot to do this and I'll have you do it too. My show, the confessionals, what I do is I interview, and I hate the word interview. It's more a conversation. I have conversations with people who've had paranormal encounters. They share it. We have a good conversation.

I personally strive to be having an environment on my show where it's like the Joe Rogan and paranormal. That's what I shoot for. Obviously, I'm not bad or else the world would know my name and I wouldn't need to introduce myself. But that's kind of the format of my show. We opened up the show and we have good conversation and let people decide for themselves what they want to believe.

And a lot of people walk away with a lot of food for thought. and they're like, huh, if that's true, then I had to re-align how I assess the way I think about things, you know? And so it really challenges people

through conversation. I like that. So kill the mockingbirds. What do you guys talk about? What is the formatting? I'd say we're probably the most different from the three podcasts here or the four podcasts here.

Sean and I do a lot of shows together. We break down topical evaluations of news during the week or things going on in the government. We do a lot of deep state dives and stuff like that. So we're very anti the system. You come over to our show, your butt cheeks are probably going to get tired. Yeah, you're going to get offended at something.

They're going to get tight. And I'll be honest with you. We go against a lot of things, woke culture, a lot of things that people are scared to talk about. But we do delve into the paranormal cryptids a lot. And we have a lot of guests on the show that talk about those topics, too. Because the one thing, and Sean is really good at mapping this out to people. one thing that we want to do is find the thread that ties it all together. The one thing I can't stand with people is when they believe one thing but cannot even open their minds up to the other side of it.

So when we're talking about government conspiracies and a lot of that stuff, what she and I do really well, it ties into the paranormal. It ties into cryptids. All that stuff's intertwined. We always laugh at people that are like, well, I believe in angels and then I don't believe in aliens or I believe in aliens and don't believe in angels. It's laughable at this point because you're not giving your mind a space to be open-minded to a lot of stuff. And like I said, your buttcheats going to get tight. It's like when I talk about flat earth and Eric gets tight. He's getting tight right now. He's getting tight right now.

You know, he's ready to go. Pushing my buttons. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, because we're very open mind. And just for the record, I'm not, I don't consider myself flat earth. I give it about 10% shot because I've never been to. Space One and I've never been in Antarctica and that's the two places they talk about. And I also know that NASA's the line sacks. So at the end of the day, that's where I'm going to go with that.

I'll give it that 10% shot. He hates that 10%. He's ready to squash it out. He's looking at me right now, ready to fight. But that's fine. But at the end of the day, that's what we do. We push buttons, and we don't do them just the push buttons. We're doing it because we want to push the framework of your mind to get outside of your matrix because that's the issue. Everybody has their own little matrix that they're comfortable in, I think if your butt cheeks aren't getting tight twice a week, then you're not challenging yourself. And I think it should be. How many episodes you put out a week? We put out one a week. So people got to find one more episode, one more show to tighten their butt cheeks. Or just find anything, something that's going to challenge the framework of what you

think. And one thing, and you know, Tony, like I put out a lot of reels on Instagram and people get real tight with them, especially when I challenge the framework of the Bible. And I, and I'm an absolute believer in the word of God is the word of God. But how you interpret it, there's a lot of ways to interpret it. And I think the supernatural aspect's been taken out of the Bible. So I put that back in there, the actual supernatural, the fantastical, that's supposed to be, you know, talked about the giants, the Raphaine, the Nephilim, all that stuff. And people get so worked up with just any nuance that doesn't work out with how they think that the Bible works. Listen, like, if you're getting hot and mad, don't get mad. Don't get mad.

me, go look it up. And after the fact, you look it up and you still don't think it's true, cool. I'm cool with that. But I'm just challenging people because I challenge myself all the time. And I'm telling you, like, I'm wrong a lot. But you know what? I learn something every time I'm wrong. I don't get mad about being wrong. You should be happy about being wrong. Matter of fact, you'll learn something today. Okay. So come off because this whole episode you're going to be preaching. So let's let's let's let's let's, let's, uh, don't you dare take that long introducing your show. go ahead. Go Eric. I'm Eric Sloggy. I'm the host of Uncomfortable Podcast. Just a little over a year and a half. Coming up, February will be two years. Paranormal. Everything under the umbrella of that.

You can find me at Uncomfortable Eric. That's the easiest way to search the program. There's several uncomfortables out there. So, you know, you and I were talking about this earlier in the afternoon. And when I decided to start doing this, one, I've had a love of paranormal and the weird for the majority of my life. And, you know, years ago, when I started listening to your show and I started listening to Wes Gurmur with Sasquatch Chronicles, I found myself listening to them talk to their guests, listening to Talk to Your Guests. and I realized that I've been steeped in this stuff so long that I had good knowledge about the variety of things that were being talked about. I was not like, oh, I think I can be a podcaster because I like ghosts. That wasn't it. It was something that I found myself listening to other shows and not saying I could do it better, but I was on par with every guest that I heard.

And I was on par with the majority of the, the intellects of the hosts to be able to do that myself. And at one point, it just hit me. And it's like, you know, I've been, I've been spending so much time with this stuff. Why not give it a shot? And, you know, it gets some legs. And then you were gracious enough to have me on your show. And I'm looking at it right now, episode 4664, the Bigfoot, the Witch, and the Dogman.

is what I called it. I didn't know what else to call it, but that was a pretty legendary episode, episode 464, and just to let people know, Joel was episode 331, The Devil's in the Music. Joel is the one that I've been playing outro music for on our show for a better part of a year, at least now. And I'll just let everybody know before. I'm on the topic, Eric. Cryptids of the Corn, the podcast that I did with them,

hasn't been released yet. You will hear it in a few weeks from now, but it's a goody. You know, and the last thing I'll say is, you know, a huge thanks to you and a thanks to all the listeners for supporting the show, my show, your show, Kill the Mockingbirds and Cryptos of the Corn. The interesting thing is that Joel's been on your show. I've been on your show. Now, Justin and Jay have been on your show. Joel's been on my show. Justin has been on my show.

I've been on Justin's show Joel has been on Justin's show but you have not been on my show I haven't been on their show either I'll be on your shows I'll be on your shows I'm just... Did you invite me on your show? Not yet.

Well, there you go. I mean, it's very... It's very possible that you invite me on the show. I'm like, yeah, bro, just get back to me like three months and really busy because I guarantee you there's probably two dozen podcasts right now listening

that I heard that line. They're like, Like, because they reached out to me like in the beginning of the year. I'm like, I'm the middle of moving. And then I moved. They're like, ready to go. I'm like, actually, I'm not even in my studio yet. And then I get my studio like, ready to go.

I'm like, actually I'm catching up on work. Hit me up at Christmas time. Like, it's, it's, but I want to go on people's shows. It's just literally, I'm, it's crazy right now. It is crazy. So, yeah. It is crazy. So, yeah.

I mean, just big thanks to you and thanks to the listeners. And I'll tell you. And we're, well, this is going to be probably a really long episode. So people are just going to, you know, but, before I forget, Christian, can you just keep an eye on the counter of time there? And I don't know if it says how much time is left on the SD card, but if we start getting close to that time, just let me know. I think we have probably about four hours of audio on this thing. But we can explain why that was even relevant in the second. But I'll tell you

you guys, kind of what I was talking about earlier, stuff, which is just I was fortunate to become friends with Wes from Sasquatch Chronicles. early in my podcasting career and between Wes and my my now good friend sam triply at tim tiffelah have podcast those two guys um both have uh much bigger shows than i have and uh their example of promoting good people not good podcast because that's to the eye of the holder of the listener but good people and just um allowing other not trying to hog a spotlight and understanding that this isn't a competition. And in all reality, like, Eric, if you thrive, it helps me. Whether I like you or not, it helps me. Because when people

are looking for your show, there's a good chance they stumble across my show and vice versa. So it's one of those things where it's not a competition. And I want to have my ship in the same bay as your ships because when the rising tide comes and Eric's blowing up or Joel's blowing up or Jay and Justin are blowing up and their shows are getting bigger than mine, I'm going to be really glad that I was friends with you guys and I was kind of you is because I could be like, yo man, like, yo, you have like a million followers now. Can I come on your show and do an episode with you? And hopefully you're like, return a favorite. You're like, yeah, man, of course. I like you, but it's all selfish why I help people.

And you say that and my response to that to you is going to be something that last night you kind of refuted. But I'm going to say it anyway because, you know, I've tried, you know, anybody who's listened to the episode that I did with you will realize that I dealt with a lot of negativity for a long time in a situation. Yeah. And I make the choice now to surround myself with good positive people. And when I say, I feel you're a good person, it's because of the actions that I've seen you in your relation to me. So I'm going to say, I like being a part of that same bay because you're a good person. And what you do for other podcasters by letting them come on your show, that's a huge thing. So I know you don't like being told that you're a good person because many people don't know you.

but exactly i think you're a good person for the things that you've done my my thing is it's the gauge thing right so uh you could like somebody and and say that's my friend and we get along great and that same person somebody else like i can't stand that effing guy why because it's the gauge right and so when it comes to goodness it's all about the gauge and i'm like i'm good compared to who compared to what the guy who murdered people sure maybe but there's always somebody gooder right and that's when we were talking, we had a very deep, I think, spiritual conversation where maybe it was just me just parenting yesterday. I don't know. I walked away thinking that I get too preachy. I don't know. But in that conversation, my whole point was, I think the only true pure platform, like the example of

goodness would be Christ. And so compared to that, I suck. So when people are like, you're such a good dude, I'm like, yeah, but you don't, you, you don't see me when the microphone and cameras off and I'm having a bad day and I punch a hole through a wall because I didn't know what else to hit, you know what I mean? Which hasn't happened in a couple of years, but like, but in the reality is like, like, you know, for example, I'll say on the show at times or I'll be having conversations with people, you know, that I have a very short fuse and I do. And people are like, I can't imagine you getting mad. I'm like, you just spend a week with me. But people, that's the thing.

I mean, as podcasters and stuff, people hear an hour, two hours of our week, you know. And they're left to draw conclusions. So they're like, I can't imagine getting angry because you haven't heard me get angry. And so anyways, before we get too far off topic, hey, cryptos of corn. Last but not least, how are you guys doing? The dream. I'm Justin. I am one-half, one-third of our show.

Jason over here in the corner, he doesn't want to say anything. Yeah, no, it's fine. Yeah, I'm one of these losers. are podcasters. I don't only have five microphones in the studio. I should have had six. But our show, we like to say where we're scientific thinking and magical think meat. Jay is definitely much more of the magical thinker. I was a biologist for a while, so I try to bring the biology and everything we do. We cover the small cryptids, big cryptids. We have interviews on. We just cover fun topics with it. Like an episode, we have, like we did phenotypes and genotypes

with Bigfoot. So it's the science with Bigfoot. So it's the science with Bigfoot just to kind of help mix them in together. Yeah, that's pretty much what we do, right? Yeah. Well, I appreciate you guys being here, everybody, actually. And so let's get into the meat of the show before we, you know, tickle each other's fancies too much longer and say how great each other are. This topic that we have been toying with for a while has all been circulating around Joel and what. what he's been diving into.

And every time he talks about it on a show, things go haywire technology-wise. And so what we're going to do today is we want to recap what has happened on people's shows leading up to today. We're going to do it briefly. But then after that, we are going to go into Joel and let Joel take over the show and share in-depth what he's thinking, how he views all this stuff.

And we're going to have a good conversation. And then afterwards, we're actually going to talk about some new developments as far as weird, bizarre, crazy things that have been happening to us in the last 24 hours. You guys all had weird experiences coming down that correlated with one another. And you guys didn't ride together. Eric might have gone through. Well, not even might have. He definitely had lost time. I mean, there's no.

He set out to have an eight-hour ride and turned into an 11-hour ride and recalling what happened is hard. But entities have been seen, people have been touched in the last 24 hours, and we'll get into that after Joel shares everything. So I guess what we'll do is we'll start off with Joel encrypted to the corn, right? Is that how you want to do it? Eric, that's the way it started was with me and Eric was uncomfortable. Yeah. And I'll kind of let Eric take it to start with because he and I'll talk back and forth about what happened to us there. And then we can jump to what happened with Jay and Justin and I next.

for sure well you know Joel came onto the show for the third time and the first two first two episodes that we did together we didn't have any any real problems at all that were notable that I can remember yeah and you know fairly recently within what the last two months uh you came back on for the third time and we'd been talking about it for a while we came up with this this name portal babies and you know I think it's it was even prior to salt fork state park Yeah, for sure. And, you know, he, we finally get to the day to record. And, you know, I've got a Roadcaster Pro.

I've got good equipment. We're using Zencaster. And we get connected. And immediately, I've got a very low pulsating vibration that is audible in my headphones. And I'm asking him if he can hear him. hear it and he can't. And, you know, the first, I don't know, five minutes of, of my recording, I hadn't even turned his mic on yet. I haven't even bringing his, his voice into the feed yet. And I was, I was struggling trying to figure out, you know, I've used this equipment in the same place,

in the same outlets, with the same wiring for, you know, an upwards of 90 shows now. And I never had this problem. And I looked over at the, the roadcaster, and I was just like, trying to grab in my mind, you know, like, do I wiggle a cord? Do I, you know, what do I do? And as I was looking at the touchscreen on the roadcaster, it started to vibrate left to right. The screen, the image on the screen started vibrating. And I said something about it. It was, I think I even left it in the, uh, the beginning of the episode. Finally, we, I took a line out of a movie or a, a guy from TV and I'm like, F, we're going live. You know, so I just brought him in.

And he starts talking. And then all of a sudden, I'm getting, not only do I have this pulsating low vibration in my ears, then I'm hearing a clicking. And at first I'm thinking that he's not very cognizant about being on a microphone and he's like clicking a maybe a ballpoint pen or something. And then the more that I kept hearing it, it wasn't like a pattern that was, perfectly spaced out. There'd be like click, click, click, click.

And the more I kept hearing it, it started to remind me of like, like in 1989, I had a Mac Quadra 850 or whatever it was. And the mouse that it came with had a very, very hard, distinctive click. And that's what it was sounding like. And I thought, well, maybe he's doing something on his computer while we're trying to do this recording. I'm just picking it up on the mic. But he's using a laptop and it's got a it's got a touchpad, you know, and silent keys on it.

So, you know, I'm telling him about these things and he's, he's not able to hear it. It's not coming through on his end. And ultimately, when the recording was done, it didn't come through. It wasn't noticeable on the recording at all. It was all stuff that I was getting audibly. But, um, and, uh, so like I said, we were using Zencast. Throughout the course of, what, 90 minutes of recording, we got booted off of the Zencaster 10 times.

Server. 10 times. Wow. 10 times. Just so the audience knows, anybody listening, Zencastr is like Zoom. If you're familiar with Zoom only, it's a program, it's not a program, it's a website. And there's these websites that are popping up now. I use Riverside FM, which is like Zencastr.

but what it is is it records the my like if I'm the podcaster and I have a guest coming on there in California, it'll record that guest and me, but it will record my video and audio locally on my computer and they'll record their video and audio locally on their computer. And when we're done recording, it will automatically upload their audio to the cloud over to me so that it's not, their audio isn't traveling through the internet getting compressed where I where I recorded on my end. So it gives a better audio purity. And I think that's important because this is,

this is supposedly a new superior type of technology than Zoom. And you're having this issue. Yeah. It's not localized to just one of us. Right. It's, it's happening to both. Yeah.

You know, so at about the point where, you know, because we, we got past the whole audio stuff that I was dealing with, you know, in my headset. But he gets to the point where he starts talking about Hitler and his, his passion for the occult and the things that he was doing and the Hillary Clinton with the, the emails that WikiLeaks, WikiLeaks let out. And then the, the subject of the Nephlin bloodlines and stuff and soulless meat sacks, you know, being created by possibly being created by

our government. that's when the the multitude of us getting kicked off as Ncaster started happening. And, you know, so we got through it. There was a lot that was going on there. And, you know, taking into consideration that I've done 90 plus shows and I've used the equipment over 120 times, you know, with other little bonuses and stuff that I've done, I never ran into anything like that. I look at that roadcaster almost religiously throughout the recording with every interview I do.

And I've never seen that screen do that vibrating back and forth. But we make it through. And then, you know, Joel needs to send me his portion of the recording. And just, I'm on interject real quick. I was also recording on my end so he could have. have a clean wave just of me. So it sounded like we were both in the same studio. It's beautiful.

Yeah. For the best listener experience, right? Yeah. And he goes to send me his audio track and it's in two parts. And I get the email and I was actually in the car when you told me that you sent it to me. And I said, okay, when I get home, I'll check. And I got a notification on my phone that I got an email from Joel. got home, went to

retrieve that. And, you know, like I said, we were 90 plus minutes. And I got two emails. And each one of the wave files that were in the emails were 20 minutes, even.

But I sent him two separate, I sent him two separate wave files. Because when we got cut off at that Clinton piece, I had stopped recording and I started re-recording again. So I had it in two parts. So one part was 28 minutes roughly. The other one was a little over an hour.

Yeah. So what you sent him was not what he received is what he said. Exactly. So you upload a file. Two files because I sent him in both parts. To what though? One was around 28 minutes. How did you email it?

How did you email it? I think Dropbox was the first. Dropbox or drive. I can't remember. It was one of the show. And then you had to do it a second and a third time. And finally, when you did it through. drive, I was able to retrieve the entire entirety of his report.

But both of them showed up at 20 minutes flat, which neither file was 20 minutes. Not like 20 minutes in three seconds or 20 minutes and 27 seconds, 20 minutes each, 20 minutes, period, each. Okay. So, I mean, you know, that's pretty much the entirety of what happened. You know, I mean, I could go into all the little eerieal secrecy that happened throughout. But, you know, that's that's the, that's the basis of the brunt of the thing. So the, so the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the website that was giving the dropping website that I was giving an issue was Dropbox. Right. That's what you're saying with the 20, you were getting 20 minute audio files from Dropbox link.

When he, when the, when the, when the recording was complete and he was sending me his full audio so that I could stitch it together, I received an email and it had two files in it. in each file was 20 minutes long. Mm-hmm. When we recorded for an hour and a half, give or take a little. So once I finally got the full, full thing on the third set of emails, and I think, I think finally it was through drive that I was able to get the whole thing. There was one that was, uh, um, 28 minutes and the other one was, like an hour.

Okay. It was odd because both the files that I sent them that said that were 20 minutes flat, they were two separate files, and it was two separate recording pieces. But they were just cut off at 20 minutes a piece, which neither of them were 20 minutes. And like he said,

it wasn't like 20 minutes and some change or something that would make sense as a recording. These are 20 minutes flat. And what was really odd, though, is like, you know, so I was running the interview, right? Um, but you started the Zencaster, right? So I was doing the recording. He sent the invite to me to start the Zencaster recording.

No, you did. You sent it to me. But you were the one, okay, but you were the only one that was seeing the errors when we were getting kicked off the server. Right. Correct. I didn't know what was going on. he had he kept reading to me whatever the uh and i forget what the error said i can't remember

at this point um where where we're getting bumped off the server okay so that was the initial issue incident and so you're like huh weird uh correct but we didn't think too much into it now yeah i mean at that point we're talking like okay technical issues right i mean i'm gonna go a little bit further because it's me so i'm thinking a little bit i'm i got the grin on my face afterwards He's not happy, just like the rest of you weren't. But he, you know, he's, you know, and I'm thinking too, I was like, hey, at least I recorded it on my end. So you're going to be good. But then that happened.

And I'm like, that's weird. But whatever, I sent it to him. And he ended up getting it. So we got through that. In my head, I'm thinking something. But, you know, again, one time I'm not going to go too deep with it. I'm going to think it's odd, but whatever. We live in this space.

All of us do. We know, you know, there's coincidence. There's things that aren't something. You can't put a tag on everything, right? But then I get to cryptids of the corn, and it gets a little crazier. So I'll let Justin get into that. So basically, we had John for, like, an hour, 15. It was pretty normal, talking about Dogman, the Dogman documentary.

Right. And it was fine. It was normal. And then you start getting into stuff and our complete system shut down. But it wasn't the outlet. because the computer's hooked up to the same outlet, and the computer were still on. The recording, so we used the Zoom PK4,

which has a battery pack in it, to prevent those things. So basically you can run on that battery for four hours, and it should have just seamlessly transferred. It completely went out, and it would not come back on until I unplugged it and plugged it back in. And thank goodness it saved the audio up to that point,

because that's like, I don't know what happened. Is it just everything, everything went black? and I called I actually called Zoom the company and they swore up and down that shouldn't be possible we had bad you know specifically it was made

for those situations when you lose power so you don't lose a recording or so you don't have to stop recording the battery pack four hours we've never used it before you know we'd ever had to use it Justin let me ask you

go back real quick at what point what was the discussion about when you had the the and am I asking yet because you're you're struggling. I can see you're looking back in your memory. I went back. I went back to the episode and I listened to it.

And specifically, Joel was getting into the meat sack theory. And the government making meat suits for fallen angels to inhabit take over the world. And as well as falling angels disguising themselves as aliens to leverage against humankind. Because we talked about talking about forever. Not one weird blip. Not one thing.

and then it was pretty much immediately after we switched and it just was, it was freaky because at first I'm like, at my head I'm like, okay, I lost the breaker kicked or something, but I'm plugged into the outlet with the computer. I wouldn't see Joel. I wouldn't have anything else if it was the outlet.

And I'm thinking, well, this is impossible. Literally we bought the Zoom PK4 for that reason. So like when we go to conferences and stuff like that, we don't have power, we can still record for, you know, four hours. And it works fine. And it really wouldn't It wouldn't turn back on, would not respond, wouldn't do anything until we fully unplugged it, gave it a little bit, plugged it, plugged it a little bit, plugged it back in. And then we said, all right, we're not talking about that anymore.

And then we were fine. It was truly, it was. Oddly enough, we had no plans of getting involved with this part of the conversation. This was just about my trip with you guys to Kentucky and the Dogman documentary. We've been talking about doing this for several months. And I don't know where it divulged. I think it had something to do with Jay. because Jay always gets to get on some weird stuff, which I'm always willing to do.

And I don't know how we got on it. It just shifted. And then as soon as it did, that happened, which then my brain starts dingin a little bit back to what happened with Eric. And I'm like, well, maybe there's something going on here. Yeah. So. I mean, after that incident, you talked to me about it. And I don't want to hijack.

Are you good? Yeah. Okay. Am I jumping too far ahead? No, I guess let me just interject here because at a point during my interview

with Joel, there was some thought that, you know, there's much like he had his TikTok taken down. It's like, is he saying something that's affecting an algorithm that

is recognizing that he should be shut down? You know, is even to the extent where, you know, the three-letter agency or, you know, conspiracy theorists. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, but, but it does enter into your mind. And then, you know, I mean, my dad was in the military when, when I was a young kid. And I remember there was a point shortly before he was hit and killed by a car at 50 that there were certain phone calls that would come to the house where he would put a recording on the, on the landline because there were certain kinds of. conversations that he felt necessary to record. And I remember that there was a clicking because at one point I had a phone in my bedroom and I would, be recording. I would put my finger on the thing, lift the hand set up and then slowly lift up so I could hear it. And I remember hearing a click every so often during that. So I'm thinking, you know, wire tap is, you know, my mind's just running the gambit of, you know, but then you know you I guess go into yours and I'll have something to follow up with after that go ahead Justin

I did I did remember the other thing we had a dog scratching on our door when we were recording remember Emily was hearing it yeah and we we have two dogs one was in the cage and the other one stays it's that nine pound dog clearly that's ancient but so all of our podcast so there's like three doors to get to the studio. And normally she'd have to open all three of them. We'd have heard her come in. But then we just like, dang it, she's scratching. I'm really hoping that's not picking it up.

I don't poke Emily. And I'm like, we'll go, you know, just try to silently get her out. She's asleep in the living room and none of the doors are open. So it's not the dog. And other stuff that's happening, we kind of blew over it because we're just like, then like two minutes later, it's like everything goes black. Yeah. That was the other thing.

I'm glad I remembered. So with all that stuff happening, and me and Joel, we talk a lot. I mean, you and I do the films together, you're working on music every time you have a new song. By the way, I did listen to that song you sent me the other day. I don't know if I told you, but it's good. Oh, yeah, GTA? Yeah. So that comes out in two weeks.

Cool, cool. Well, actually, that would be the week that this drops, I believe. Yeah. Anyways, so we talk a lot and you're telling me about this stuff. And, you know, listen, I'm like, okay, bro. You know, like... He did actually do that, guys. If everybody was listening, he laughed at me.

And, you know, he did. I get it, too, because we joke around a lot anyway. And he knows I go to the first extent first. And again, we were talking about this earlier stuff. People thinking they know you kind of think, like, I know I have fun, great stories and stuff, but when it comes to... I don't like reading into things a whole lot, especially when it's close to me. If it's somebody on the other side of the country and they're telling me a story, I'm all about reading into it.

Let's one of my friends, it's like one step away from me. I'm like, let's just pump the breaks for a second. Let's make sure this is just make sure this is crazy and not just something normal. You know, but I was just like, okay. Yeah. Uh-huh. And you said that you were going to talk about it here. And I was like, well, let's just see what happens when you got. I mean, listen, you're going to be in person. This would be the first time you talk about it in person with the podcast. And, you know, I have my all. my whole system here set up and, you know, no, no internet connections and all that crap. And I didn't, I didn't, honestly, I didn't really think a whole lot about it while we were recording. I know I didn't really think much about it. And I didn't expect. I thought we were cruising through. I thought we cruised too nicely. Yeah. I mean, it was a good conversation. I wasn't thinking about any technical issues. I, I wasn't, it just wasn't on my radar because I did not. expect anything to happen at all. I just thought I was pumping out a great episode. It was a good episode, but unfortunately the second half, people couldn't hear the audio like they do now.

They had to hear the audio off of two camcorders I had running, which I was thankful that I had going because I don't have them going right now. And be like, why aren't you? We have another recording here. Don't worry. But, well, after that recording, I get up and I see that the recording stopped. And I was like, actually, let me rewind here. Before we even sat down to record, I actually the day before got my new supercomputer, I don't know what else to call it. I got a new computer for the media company.

We're doing the films. We needed a computer that was capable of really pumping out. films. And so I was changing up the studio in here and I went to go get to to plug everything in. And my mixer stopped working. And I'm like, what the heck? Like literally, literally. It was working. I unplug it from one computer and I go to the next computer and it stops working. And I remember I was mad.

I was mad. And so I recorded it to when you came down, we set up Roadcaster Pro just like Eric has, exactly the same model Eric had. I set up the recording to go to the SD card

because I couldn't figure out why my Roadcaster Pro was not communicating with my new computer. It was not communicating. Now I'm starting to think about that too now. So, yeah, it wasn't communicating with the new computer. I plug it back into the old computer. It wasn't communicating with the old computer. It was working.

It was working fine. This is what I do. I'm here every day in the office working. It was working. I go to set up the new computer. I plug it into the new computer. It's not reading it. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.

Are you telling me I just bought a huge computer that my roadcaster's not going to work with? Like, I was, I was pissed, right? And then I got to the point, I was like, okay, well, let me just plug it in the old computer. I'll just use that. I'll figure it out later because surely I'm just missing something. It won't work on the old computer now. And I'm like, so you're telling me my roadcaster just doesn't want to communicate with any computers now. And so I start, I'm like, okay, well, I'll record it to the SD card.

And I don't have much experience doing that, but I'll do it. And so we record to the SD card, and the conversation goes well. And we get up. And I remember Sean was sitting where Eric is. You were sitting where you were. And I walk over to him and we're like, oh, that was good. You know, standing up, putting the chairs in. And I'm like, son of it.

Like, I was like, what? The recording stopped. The recording stopped working. It stopped recording. And we're sitting over here at the table. and over at the workstation over there, it's probably about 8 feet, 10 feet away from us. The mixer board is sitting there,

the computer's sitting over there. We can't see the mixer board. We're just assuming you hit record. It was recording. It's still recording. It stopped recording. So when we, so I go and people that listen to that show,

what I say was called Rise of the Nephilim, you'll hear halfway through that show, the audio changes. And you hear me and Joel kind of, it's like one of my commercial breaks that I tricked you because it wasn't a commercial break. It was actually me and Joel coming in the next morning talking about what happened the day before. And we were trying to prep people for the transition of the audio quality and all that stuff. But you hear the rest of the show off the camcorder audio. But what's interesting is where it stopped recording was where Eric?

I knew you have it right there for any. That's where Joel was getting back into the meat sack theory. the government making meat suits for fallen angels. Joel was discussing graze, demons, possession, essentially going right back to the same topic that he was hitting on when he was with me and the same topic he was hitting on with Justin and Jay. Yeah. And so, and this is where I want to take the opportunity to kind of migrate this into what I'm

thinking right now. And we'll talk about this more after you share with what happened last night. So we one, I don't know how you guys are thinking, but I personally am not viewing this as a CIA operation. Maybe, but I don't think so. I think what we're dealing with is Joel's hitting on sensitive information that the spiritual realm is aware of and hears him talking about. I get the sense that Joel saying the things he's saying is like if you're in a dark room and all of a sudden something starts glowing and you see it I feel like in the spiritual realm Joel is saying something that's making him glow bright red

and all of a sudden they're like what and they go right and so I'm not saying Joel summoning something But what happened last night and we'll get into that later, I get the sense that, because I was feeling like something's trying to break this communication off. I'm starting to get the sense that when Joel's hitting on a certain topic, it's attracting an entity or entities. But whatever it is, I think, is pretty powerful. And it's draining electronics around us. Because of what happened yesterday, and we'll get into that later. but I'm getting a sense. I could be wrong and you guys can have your own opinions and stuff,

but for me personally, I'm getting the sense that when he says certain things, it's like a calling card. And not that he's trying to summon something, but by giving whatever he's doing the attention, it automatically comes. And when it comes, it just drains electronics around us. Or it, whatever it is,

is trying to cut off the technology for information purposes. But if that's the case, why are we still able to get the communications out? You think it would have killed the camcorders too. It's not like, I mean, if these entities are as all powerful, then you would think that, well, they would know the camcorders are running too, you know? So I... You got a combatant going there, too, though. Don't forget the other side of it.

That's true, too, yeah. Can you, can you let me backtrack on what you're saying here real quick? Um, because I want to address this because, you know, there's a lot of people out there like to believe in conspiracy, conspiracy theories, right? Government, CIA, you know, algorithms that are, you know, designed by Facebook or YouTube or whatever to shut down specific type of speech. Um, so here's the thing about that. In order for, I want you people to think about the massive logistics behind anybody or any organization trying to shut us down from talking to Joel through our equipment. First of all, what would be the most likely way to stop a conversation between me and Joel? Powerage.

You pay an electrician, a thousand bucks and say, hey, I need to cut power to this house on such and such date. First of all, they have to know that I'm going to interview Joel on such and such date. Which means they're constantly invading your privacy just to know when you're going to talk to Joel Thomas. Right. Who, God, Joel, I love you. You're good guy. But you're not that important. You're not that.

I'm not that. I'm not that. You know, you know, you're like that meme with that one guy. It's like, you're not that guy. You ain't him, bro. You're not that guy. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

I've got a friend. Okay. Everybody's got a friend, right? I got a guy. Right. Here we go. So I got this, I got this friend. And of everybody that's sitting here at this table, there's only one person here who is at a level that is on a low level, wait and see watch list.

and that's you, Tony. Oh, me. You. I was just going to. Okay. Confirmed. Okay. Yeah.

Not necessarily because of you or anything you've done, but potentially because of somebody that you are in contact with. Yeah. So that being said, the logistics to have had, have a group of people who knew in advance that I was going to purchase my equipment from Sweetwater electronics. And either they're at Sweetwater or during the delivery process to intercept my package, put something in my roadcaster that would make electronic malfunctions while I was, and that would have to be activated only at the time that I was talking to Joel. Think about the logistics behind that.

It's ridiculous to think that that's possible. same with you. Did they put a kill switch inside your Roadcaster Pro just because on the third or fourth time that you decided to interview Joel, they were going to kill your podcast. No.

No. And I got to say on the Roadcaster Pro, I got to tell people, so just to the understanding that I didn't say this, that Roadcaster Pro is sitting on a shelf behind me not being used because it is no longer operational. I literally had to buy a brand new roadcaster and that's what we're using right now. And now the similarity is that you and I both use

the same equipment, right? But Justin and Jay, their equipment is completely different. Yeah. You know, so how would they have known that they were going to purchase that equipment, intercept that package on the way to deliver to them, and do something to its electronics to be able to shut it down while they're talking to Joel? Now, I want to say this too, and I've said this to all three of you, I never once thought this was government at all. As a matter of fact, I've come to every one of you and I said, I know what this is with a grin on my face. And I mean that in the sense of I'm not smiling because of what's happening.

I am sort of, but I know that I'm getting closer to the truth. And I want to specify this too. I'm not a theologian. I'm not an expert either. I just think that in me digging, I'm slowly putting some threads together that other people haven't yet. The Legos are in front of me and they're fitting.

And I think I've still got a ways to go, but I think they're starting to fit in a way that hasn't fit for other people yet. Because again, back to what I said earlier, I try to tie it all in together, government, paranormal, all of it. So I think it's all tied together. And I think it's a spiritual component that literally like encompasses all of it. So when you're talking about government,

when you're talking about aliens, you're talking about all that, there's a spiritual aspect that encompasses the whole thing. It's the gel that throws it all together. And I think by me starting to do that, I think this is what's causing the issues because there are entities that don't want this information to come out. And that's a lot to do with it. But I do agree with you completely. I don't think the government parts at all viable. Well, when I bring that up, because there is going to be some second of the people that listen to this is going to be like, it's the government.

But going back to what you said at the end of that statement was, you know, this is and we'll get into some stuff that. I think everybody's going to have a hard time getting passed as far as this not being a spiritual thing. But I think you've got to look at it from two different sides, you know, because it's my belief that, you know, you've got good spiritual teams that are with each one of us, you know, whether it's a guardian angel or, you know, good spirits from, you know, whether they're family members or whatever that are looking over you're looking over all of us. And then there's also the dark side of entities that are trying to create havoc and chaos and and disrupt things. So what are we dealing with here? Are we dealing with good entities who are trying to keep Joel from saying something that's not true? Are we dealing with good entities that are trying to draw attention, to draw more attention by doing these. things to what Joel is saying because they're true. Are we dealing with dark entities that are

trying to keep Joel from saying what he's saying because they don't want the truth out? You know, I think that's why I think what you decided to do with us here is to hammer this out and try to find the direction that this is coming from is so important. You know, I mean, because I don't think Joel would necessarily sit. here knowingly trying to say something that wasn't true. But maybe, for instance, maybe he's being influenced, maybe his mind is being influenced by dark entities and spiritual, good spiritual entities are trying to stop him from saying what he's saying because maybe it's not factual. Maybe it's taking attention away from something else.

Eric's trying to act like I'm a meat sack. No, no, no, no, no. I appreciate. what he's doing because he's presenting all sides of the argument. And I think it's important to do that. I want the audience to know that like we're not coming to the table trying to push any specific agenda other than the fact that Joel has been digging on an issue, a topic. And it seems like every time he talks about it, weird things happen. And it happened again yesterday. And so big time. And so from our computers glitching to, my roadcaster needing to get replaced, to our commutes to get here, all that stuff. It seems like it's important enough for us to try to put this transmission out to the people all in one shot together and see what happens. And we're not trying to push anyone. We don't want you to think yes or no on the CIA. We don't want you to think yes or no to the good entities or the bad entities.

We're not telling you we're just presenting the information per tradition of this show, the confessionals. We present the story. We present the information. And it's your responsibility to think for yourself and decide what do I think. And that is very countercultural today. We're not telling you what to believe in a world where everybody's saying, please just tell me what to believe.

We're saying, no, think for yourself. We're giving you information and we don't care what you land on, where you land. Just make up your own mind and decide for yourself. Life is very fun when you start thinking for yourself. You know, I think that at this point, it weren't saying this because each one of us in our respective podcasts at one time or another, multiple times have encouraged critical thinking. okay we we encourage our listeners to be critical thinkers and to take a hard look at what we're talking about who we're talking to and what their stories are and if that was ever more true

this what's going on here this has got to be at the pinnacle of that critical yeah thank you Okay, for our first sponsor today, I want to talk to you about ExpressVPN. Have you ever wondered why your internet bill is kind of lower over the years? I certainly have noticed that where it seems like internet's getting cheaper and that doesn't seem to make too much sense to me. But when you start thinking about the data and the histories that these companies sell, it makes more sense. They just want to make it as cheap as possible for you to get you through the front door and then they're going to suck you dry like vampires. And they're going to sell your data in history to all these companies and make more money off you than they could have ever imagined with a subscription. Well, that all can end right now with ExpressVPN, which creates a secure channel between all your devices and the internet. And when I say all, I'm not just talking about your phone and computer. I'm also talking about your tablets, your smart TVs, and even your router. Everything that has Internet going through it in your home or in your office can be protected by ExpressVPN. Your data is your business protected at ExpressVPN.com slash confess. Visit ExpressVPN.com slash confess to get three extra months of ExpressVPN.

protection for free. It's E-X-P-R-E-S-V-P-N.com slash confess to learn more. With that, I think we laid a good hour of groundwork. I don't know how long it's been. Christian, how long have we been recording? Does it say on the pro? 57 minutes. So that's a 57-minute introduction to the topic of the day.

No, but like I said, this was going to be a long podcast. We did need to lay the groundwork. And anybody who is complaining about it, go pound sand. kick cracks, after the podcast is over, though. This is important information. You should listen to it. Information.

What was the, do you remember what was starting to make you connect certain dots? And then what are these dots you're connecting that is this information? Just take us away. Make this. This is now the Joel Thomas monologue section of the episode. We're here to listen to you. We'll interject when we feel like we have to ask questions.

But this is your part of the program now. So take it away, bro. man i really don't even know what started it i think really just the theories of of and i want to see theories but the theorization of what happened to the nephalum and who they were their impact on society why they're in the bible just a handful of times why when you go to the book of enoch they're talked about a ton um you look at the des sea scrolls the book of giants there's a literal Book of Giants. A lot of the talents were broken, so they had to try to piece what they could together. We're going to get into the Book of Giants today, too. But what is their impact going to be

for the future? Because that's something that people don't think about. Giants were a huge part of the antediluvian and post-deluvian epochs, and suddenly they vanished. Outside of what we hear in the crypted world of redheaded giants and places where people go very remote where there is you know like the giant of candahar stuff like that that we all know about yeah so one of the things that i started doing was i started reading some of these guys that are experts at this stuff la marzuli gary wayne uh genesis six conspiracy really put me down a ton of round a ton of rabbit holes because the way that he wrote that book, he has like 90 plus pages of index in the back with all the places he got the information from so you can go down

these rabbit holes. And me being a Freemason, so much to do with Nephilim is tied into Freemasonry. And ultimately started with the Brotherhood of the Snake, which is the oldest secret society. It's the one behind the veil, behind the veil, behind the veil, behind the veil. It's what started with Kane. It's what started with his son Enoch. Evil Enoch, who get your butt cheeks tight, wrote the book of Enoch. And I'm going to break that down a little bit harder today because we just barely touched on it last time with you. And I want to get a little delve into a little deeper because I know a lot of people are like, oh my God. So he said, One thing wasn't right.

And so the whole book of Enoch, we've got to throw out now. No, no, no. There's multiple things in the book of Enoch that don't line up and add up. And what I did before I came here, I reread Enoch again. And really just matched it up to some things in the Bible, matched it up to some things that when it comes to fallen angels seems to align in that aspect of why I think that the book of Enoch, at least partially, wasn't written by the Enoch that we know. I'm open to the idea I could be wrong that maybe some of it is, because we don't know how that book was put together

when they brought it down, you know, when they were pulling the Dead Sea Scrolls and all that. We don't know. I do know that Lucifer's biggest game is deception and tricking people. And the easiest way to do that is make something look like good, make it look like light, make it align so closely to the truth that people buy it. into it, but before you know it, they've taken their focus off of God and where it should have been all along. And I think that's where we're at right now. I think in society right now, that's what's happening. We're back at that place. We're back. We're getting closer to that end of that antediluvian world, which I believe technology was vastly superior, vastly superior than it is now.

We're moving back towards it, though. Our technology is pretty good. And behind the scenes, it's a lot better than we know. For sure. So we're getting back to that point of us ascending into godhood. Because I think that is what the mark of the beast is eventually going to be. I don't think it's an actual mark per se. I don't think it's some sort of barcode

you know back in the day when I was growing up as a kid that was like the thing you would see on the chick tracks you know like the barcode in the back of the neck or whatever like when they're coming for you to tattoo this on your neck run you know what I mean it's not going to be that way they're going to present it in the way

that's going to be very attractive for you almost like fruit from a tree almost like fruit from a tree from a seraphim by the way it wasn't a snake We'll get into that a little bit too about Lucifer and what he was as an angel too. The seraphim are like the top level of angel in the Bible. They're the ones that were closest to God. And Lucifer was like right hand.

And it makes sense that Adam and Eve walk into the Garden of Eden. If a being that they're used to seeing came up to him and started talking, I went thinking anything about it. Granted, maybe if a snake came up to him and started talking, you might look a little weird to him if they hadn't used to seeing that. So I think that makes a little more sense, and Sarah from a very serpentine, which is going to play into this Nephlin thing as well.

And the Brotherhood of the Snake, because that's where we're going to start today, is the Brotherhood of the Snake. And I barely touched on it last time I was with you. I haven't touched on it all with you guys. Because it all starts with that first secret society, and why that secret society. are what they are today.

Why are they? People know Freemasons, Rosic Christians, all of these groups, Knights Templar, we can go through history, Luminati, all of them. What makes them feel like they need to exist, one, why do they want to exist, and why do they want to keep secrets away from other people in society.

You know, what is it about the elite that make them feel elite? You know, people go to money and power. Well, they get more money than us. They get more power than us. That's why they feel like that we're less than them. It goes way deeper than that. And it ties into this, this aspect of Nephilim and what I encompass as my portal baby theory.

That's kind of what I've coined it as. Porto Babies, baby. Porto Babies baby. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to start with the Brotherhood of the Snake. I'm going to give you the company line first, though, because the company line is what people, when they look up the Brotherhood of the Snake, there's not a lot of info on them, not initially

anyway. there's a company line that's given of what they are. They're also known as the Dragon Court, by the way. This is going to tie into the Dragon Bloodlines that we're going to get into. There is two Nephlin bloodlines, by the way. There is the Dragon Bloodline, which is the Patriarchal. And then you have the Fairy Bloodlines, which is the Matriarchal, which that would mean, if you don't know what patriarchal-matriarchal is,

that's male and female. The thought pattern is that from the Patriarchal bloodline, patriarchal bloodline, the dragon bloodline, that's where the Antichrist will ascend from. So we're going to get into where this actually kind of started popping up in history with the Brotherhood of Snake. We're going to get into where it actually started. But I'm going to start a little bit with, you know, what was going on. it started in pre-deluvian civilizations. They say Atlantis, some of these places it did,

but it did trickle down through Egypt. So a lot of what you hear of the Ananaki from Sumerian culture, they protected this brotherhood of the snake. what it really was, it started with cane. So where they say that it really, that if you dig,

it say it started in Egyptian culture. It really didn't. It started way further back than that. It actually started with Kane. And Kane being son of Adam. Okay. So we all know who, the sons of Adam initially were.

We have Kane and we have Abel. And we know what happened when King and Abel. King didn't give God what God wanted. Abel did. Kane was jealous and he killed Abel. So King was cursed. But Kane didn't, he never said he was sorry. He never wanted to ask for forgiveness from God.

So his whole issue was he wanted to create something bigger than God outside of God. And part of what Freemasonry is built on is the seven sciences. Now, the seven sciences are what you would call the liberal arts, grammar, rhetoric, logic, arithmetic, geometry, which is the fifth one in that. is the tenants of Freemasonry, music, and astronomy. These were taught to Adam in the garden by God, and he taught them to Adam in a way that we couldn't understand today. This is where all this technology and where all that came from back then. Because when God gave this to Adam,

and Adam eventually gave it to Abel and gave it to Cain, it was a knowledge and understanding of the way that the universe worked in a way that God understood it. And angels understood way before that. So Kane took those seven sciences and began to corrupt them, with fallen angels, by the way. So Kane was working with the fallen angels. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So if you know anything about the fallen angels, Lucifer got jealous. my theory is, and a lot of people talk about, he got jealous because we were created. We got to think he's a seraphim. He's like the right hand of God. He was that dude.

That dude. And he said when you walked, he made music. And I think that's why music is so deceptive these days because he really takes hold of that aspect of it. And where did the archangels? Where did they come from? Where was there in the... Like the hierarchy?

Yeah. They're actually at the bottom, which is pretty crazy. So there's, it's, it's really crazy when you think about it. You've got three, you've got three divisions of angels and nine choirs. So the seraphim, cherubim, and thrones are in that first kind of category. They're, they're really hang out with God next to God. You do hear about them showing up in biblical scripture, but not a lot. You know, they're just, they don't, they're not, they don't intercede for humans,

really, they're not part of that pantheon. When you get down to like the, the third section, that's where you're going to get your archangels at. And archangels are actually one step up above, like your guardian angels or you're just kind of like lower chair angels that really intercede for us or like day-to-day basis. Archangels like Michael Gabriel, these guys that show up in the Bible, they're warriors. Don't me wrong. They're not weak.

and they can battle, but they're not in the same pantheon as these really upper tier guys. So when I say that Lucifer, knowing that God's creating us, and in the Bible, it says that we will judge the angels. So imagine being Lucifer and hearing that news, right hand to God, and you hear he makes, for lack of better word, meat, sacks. who to him are like, are you kidding me? This is going down? I hate that term. Meat sacks. Meat sacks, man.

That's just, that is like, that is such a horrible, horrible term. And I have, I have, again, this is no disrespect to you or, or your theory. I have a hard time believing or understanding or rapid. with my head around that with as omnipotent as our creator is, that that would even be possible to create a life that that has no soul, that is predetermined to be a vessel for. I think you went off, no offense, but I never said that. I'm saying what Lucifer feels at the,

this point. Yeah, what he's saying is Lucifer, the angel is looking at looking at it's just like, these are literal meat sacks. There's nothing special about them. There's no, like, I make music when I will freaking walk, bro. These dudes can't freaking barely walk alone. Like, like he was basically saying, like, look at these freaking dumb apes and you're telling me they're going to judge me. I make freaking music when I walk. Like, bro, you know what I mean? Like, who are these meat sacks to judge me. That's what you're saying, right? Exactly. Okay. Okay, but you've used meat sacks in, in our conversations as like an empty, you know, like being produced as an empty vessel for demonic entities to inhabit. And I have a hard time wrap up my head around that God would allow that to happen. Okay.

You know, just because it's such an affront. I'm just using it as the derogatory term of how that Lucifer in that anger moment would view us as a very derogatory term. I apologize. No, no worries. No apologies. At all. There's no apologies. This is all open conversation. So, you know, he got, he, he got angry about that. Takes one third of the angels started what we've been digging into and digging into more the angelic wars that may or may not have happened on Mars. There's a planet. that I know of called Rahab that is in between Mars and Jupiter.

If you know anything about the asteroid belt there, this is an odd asteroid belt with a bunch of rocks. The term Rehab is used in the Bible, 11 times. And if I'm correct, five times, it refers to Rehab with the walls of Jericho. The other six times, it's hard to decipher.

It almost seems like it's a place. So some theologians believe that that was a planet called Rehab that Lucifer set up shop on when he got kicked out of what we would consider heaven or another dimension in heaven place. So there's a lot that happened before humans were created. We talk about seven days of creation. What were seven days? What was the time period there? We don't know. It says the earth was out, form and void.

God doesn't start something and doesn't finish it. So this goes into what some people believe, the old earth and the new earth. So I just want to state before we go too much further here so the audience understands that they're listening to people who believe. And I don't want to speak for anybody. So if I'm wrong on you guys, but for me, and I know for you, Joel, we believe. that, like I believe the Bible, I'm a Christian, I believe what the Bible says, but I do believe that God being omnipotent and omniscient so big that I don't believe every act, every decision, every essence of God is encompassed in the Bible. I believe that he gave us what we needed in the

Bible for us. but I believe that there's so much more to God. And I think that I personally don't look at the Bible as an all-encompassing history of God and creation and everything that ever happened. It's just the information that God wanted us to have for us to come to the salvation moment through Christ. I believe that the Bible points to Christ. And so that doesn't mean that everything God ever did or ever thought or ever, the essence of why he does certain things. For instance, and I don't want to hijack,

I'm just going to go here. Go ahead. Because you might go to this later. Psalm 82, God held judgment amongst other gods. So in the Hebrew, it says Elohim held judgment amongst the Elohim. There's no way escaping that it's God holding judgment amongst other gods. But if you take that and you're like, okay, so what does that mean? There's not a whole lot.

There's not a whole lot. but clearly there was the decision made that there was going to be this higher, this hierarchy. But it's like, I just personally, and this is where the faith side comes in. We were talking about this last night.

Like, I walk a lot by faith, and I just trust that God gave me what I need to come to Christ as my Savior. But I believe that there is so much more to God that we, that we just, it's like,

is that, maybe I'm having a hard, time drawing out what I'm trying to say. Does it make sense, though, what I'm trying to say? I think it makes perfect sense because, you know, we had this discussion last night. I told you, I believe in God. I believe in Christ. But my thoughts differ from you as far as the Bible and everything, you know. So I think it's important to understand that that book was given to man based on our intellect at the time, which was not what it is today.

It may have been, it may have been higher in some aspects, but lower in regards to the technology that we consider high technology now. The technology back then may have been much different and much better, but we don't know how, we haven't figured that out, right? So I think, I think the language that was used and the things that were, were handed down to people, to humans, to us living on this world, were done in a way that was only the only way that we would be able to understand it how many thousand years ago. You know, our intelligence levels now, I think, are above what we were back then.

I don't agree with that. I think that our technology, I think our, I think we used more of our brains back then. One thing you're not thinking about the Bible and stuff, that stuff was written post-eluvian. We're talking about after the flood. We're talking about after all of that crazy technology in Atlantis and all of the Sumerian stuff. And even the pyramids, I think pyramids before the flood too. So, you know, and I'll tie that into Enoch as well. So, you know, the flood didn't knock out to the pyramids.

It just didn't. As a matter of fact, we can't even, we don't even know how old. the pyramids are. That's what's so wild. We got to try to date it. We don't know. So I will agree with you halfway that when these things were written, I think that that technology had been wiped off the planet. I think that whole era of pre-flood was gone. We almost is a reboot at that point where we started over again. That's why we're where we are now. But in no way, no fashion, are we now as highly advanced as we were before the flood. 100% agree with what you're saying.

I was getting at from the time the people received the word of God. Okay. Yeah, no, I can agree with that. We were beyond the higher technology that came before. Sure. I mean, like, our sign, like, for instance, the science of the time that Paul was writing the New Testament, 75% of the New Testament, the science that he understood is not the science that we have today.

We have far superior signs. We have, I'm sitting next to a scientist, just. is a scientist himself. I didn't mention that earlier, but I wanted to say, Justin is a certified genius. And he, when you listen to his podcast, you're going to hear that. He's a very smart man. So, yes, he is. He's a biologist. And he's here with us monkeys, just dragging her knuckles around. He's just like, you guys. That's why he's just sitting here quiet, not talking, because he's like, these guys are idiots. I'm just going to keep my mouth shut, though. Come to cryptids of the corn. I'll tell you the truth. There you go. So, anyways, go ahead, Joel. Yeah. So

to jump back a little bit to this Brotherhood of the Snake thing, I want to tell us in a Freemasonry again. I want to always run this through Freemasonry, because Freemasonry, the tenants were built through Brotherhood of the Snake. And free masonry is just a thread that holds every single one in these secret societies together. Now, free masonry is a initial step into these worlds. So, yeah, you step into this world, you may get to step into a different world. You may get an option to. You may get an option to. go here. You know, it's kind of it's like the first, you know, for lack of better word, like people would say that weed is a gateway drug. Well, I think that freemasonry now is a gateway drug into the deeper aspects. Yeah, you got people who go into freemasonry and they kind of stop there. They're just, they're kind of, I'm cool, I'm in a fraternity. I like the perks of maybe getting out of a ticket here and there because my buddy who's in there, too, is a cop or whatever, and I get that in its brotherhood, and we, you know, do a fish fry once a month, and we help the community out. That's generally what you're going to see. By 95% of the guys

there is that's what it is. And that's why, you know, Freemasons hear me talk get really worked up because it's those guys. It's not the guys that are involved with things. It's going to be those guys that get mad about it. But a lot of these, so when you start dealing into, we're back to the seven sciences. There's two legends. You've got Anderson, who's James Anderson. He was in the early 1700s, and then you got George Oliver, who was in the late 1700s to early 1800s. These guys wrote these documents, these constitutions for Freemasonry. In these documents and constitutions, they were the ones to tie Enoch because a lot of what Freemason is built around is Enoch. Now, these days, they will tell you that it's Enoch who walked with God.

They want to align themselves with that side of Adam, that Seth's side of Adam. They don't want to align themselves with the Cain side. These two guys in their constitutions that they broke down, and guys, you can go find this. It's very easy to look up James Anderson, type in Freemason, George Oliver, Freemason, and hit PDF after it. You can Google it. You can find the PDF files of them and their writings. And they break down how that it was Enoch, son of Kane,

is what all of their tenants are built on. This is what they're trying to protect is this line. And why are they trying to protect this line, right? Why is it? Now, we know Tubal Cane's a big part of Freemasonry. Well, if Tubalcane is a big part of Freemasonry. Well, for Tupil-Cain is a big part of Freemasonry, because his father was Lamek, who these guys were right before the flood. These are the ones that were deep into the Nephilim part of it, because the Nephilim came during the seventh generation of Cain.

Seventh generation of Seth is when the Nephilim come into the picture, when the sons of God laid with the daughters of men, and they created the Nephilim. So this is happening for about three generations to the 10th generation. By the 10th generation, these Nephlem have gotten into the Seth bloodline, and we're down to, like, just Noah. We're down to just Noah. And, you know, God comes to Noah, and he's basically like, look, bro. Yeah, he's like, look, man, you're perfect in my eyes. And I want to specify that. He didn't mean that he was perfect in his heart in the sense of he was just like, holy, like, perfect.

No, his DNA was perfect. He looked at him because he had untainted DNA. At this point, antediluvian world's out of control. We got chimeras all over the place. We got griffins. Angels are going wild. These fallen angels are going nuts. And when you think about the hierarchy of angels, seraphim, cherubim, thrones,

you got dominions, you've got dominions, you've got, archangels. It's the classic as above is below. It's the same thing. You got them on both sides. When they left heaven, the one-third, you got all of those that left, too, all the different sex. They had their hierarchies as well. Think about cherubum had the face of an ox, the face of a man, face of a lion, and a face of an eagle or a bird. So if they're mating with humankind, And the thought pattern is that when they would morph because angels could, and Book of Enoch talks about it, how they would take human form, Cherubim could take one of the four forms.

So what if they took like a lion form? This is where you get some of your cultures where you've got lion men, and you've got these ox-looking men. Justin, we were talking about the dogmen that had a city in Egypt. They were dog. It was a whole dogman city in Egypt. So you had all this craziness going on. Plus, technology's out of control.

They're using genetic modification. They're manipulating DNA. Sounds familiar? No. They're doing all this. So also, what's really crazy, the book of giants, talk specifically. And I've got it right here.

the watchers have their own families with humans and also with animals. So they're not only out here getting with humans. They're trying to corrupt every single bit of God's creation. So when we talk about cryptids, am I saying every cryptid? But there's a good theory that some of these cryptids are the copulation of angels and animals. And even to go another level with that, to maybe the conspiratorial round,

one of you guys was talking about, I think it was you, Joel, earlier, how the more you diving into the conspiratorial, the more the paranormal twines into it. I've said this probably from day one with my show. I believe the higher you get in these, these elitist realms, the closer you're getting to the paranormal. And I believe that not only are we dealing with these creatures that might be remnant of Nephilim type fallen angel interactions,

but also we're dealing with world ruling elite type people who have access to sciences, who are also trying to recreate these creatures for their own purposes. And that's just my personal thought process on certain things. I don't even know if you're going to go that direction, but I think that there are people in this world who are aware, like, what you're talking about today and stuff. I don't think you're the only person that knows

this stuff. I think there's very powerful people in this world that know this stuff, and they're like, let me get a piece of that action. Oh, you know, for sure. And I think that for people that want to get tied in with the elites, that aren't part of these bloodlines, we're getting what these bloodlines are

in a little bit, but that aren't, they want to saddle up to it because there's a certain power to it. It's like that old movie with Roddy Piper, they live. You guys ever watched that movie? The classic. Yeah. I watched it again recently. A week ago.

Yeah. I did. And me too. As a matter of fact. And the thing with that movie is when he gets to the end and he runs into these not really the elite, not the reptilian people, but the people that are working for them. He's like, man, just relax. He's like,

listen, we're all doomed. But if we work with them, we can get paid, we can live a comfortable life. You know, we're not going to be here forever, but while we're here. And I think there's a lot of those people, too. That's where you get celebrities. That's where you get a lot of these athletes are good athletes, but they get bought in. People in general. You just, even people that are running corporations, they're told, hey, we're going to need you put these ads out. It's going to promote this. It might be against what you feel, but you can get paid, just look at your bank account, and we're going to make this simultaneous through, you know, all the big corporations. We see it all the time. Every month, we've got a new, quote-unquote, month of something. And what happens,

every corporation picks up whatever that is and starts promoting it. We won't talk about what those are. but people can read between the lines. Everything is a coordinating agenda. Tear us down. And there's people just like you and me that aren't part of these bloodlines that aren't attached to these people per se, but are working for them.

I don't care about you, don't care about me, they're off of themselves. And they're going to continue to do this as long as they're getting paid, as long as they're part of that team. It's attractive, I get it? I just think like that.

But at the end, you're left empty. Big time. We're going to swing into Enoch here because I know Tony loves that. I love it. I love it. Yeah, so the book of Enoch is an interesting book. I would say in the percentile of truth

that's in the 90s, for sure, it lines up with a lot of things in the Bible. I think that it breaks down what the fallen angels did with mankind to create these giants that became the men

of renown it kind of shows some of their motivations and it names some of them too Azazel

some of these guys one thing about the book of Enoch though I noticed there's no mention of Satan

or Lucifer really not much if at all it's all about this group of fallen angels

that go and do this on Mount Hermann and create these Nephlem. That's one thing that came up to me kind of odd. The Bible's pretty adamant about Satan. You know?

Jesus calls him out a lot. You know, he's definitely on the mind of God in the Bible. He wasn't much in this. Why? I think he'd be masterminding this whole thing. That was a red flag to me. The one I've talked about before is Noah.

So in the book of Enoch, it says that the angel told Noah how to build the ark. In the Bible, it says that God told Noah how to build the ark. I went through and I was reading Enoch and I wanted to pinpoint that. And also there's been iterations where it says that the angel actually helped Noah build the ark too,

which I think is just non-canonical. Didn't happen. I think even in the Russell Crow, they had the angels come help and build it, which that is very Freemasonic, by the way. Tubal Canes in that. And Tubal Cane, they say in that, Tubal Cane got on the ark,

which Tubalcane is from Lemex line. He's from this, like, awful line of Kane. So that's very Freemasonic because Tubal Cane was the builder. He took what Kane did as a builder, that went to Enoch, who was kind of the ultimate builder and created hieroglyphics and all this. But it went down to Tubalcane,

and Tubalcane is what Freemasons talk about. They talk about him a lot. So it makes sense that in Hollywood, Tubal Cain's glorified in a movie about the ark, and you've got, quote-unquote, fallen angels helping them build the ark. I think it's really odd, right? And I did some reading into that movie with Russell Crow,

and they did say that they used the book of Enoch as a hardline basis for making that movie. That's another red flag. But there was something that really hit home to me. And I don't know if anyone's talked about this with Enoch. There isn't a lot of Enoch talking to God. It's a lot of Enoch talking to angels. A lot.

A lot of angels interceding, giving messages from God to Enoch, the Bible's pretty specific about Enoch walked with God, literally, was walking on the planet with God, talking to him. He walked so closely with God. And, you know, as we understand it now, as people like us would, he basically just walked into another dimension with God, left the earth. There is a lot of angel's glorification in the book of Enoch. Lots. And that just seems very fallen angel to me, this glorification of angelic creatures. Matter of fact, when Raphael comes to Enoch and tells him he has to go tell the fallen angels on Mount Herman that they're doomed for what they've done,

God's throwing them in the pit, and he's coming for a reckoning. Enok goes and talks to faun angels. All fallen angels are remorseful, crying, wailing. They want to be. want Enoch to intercede for them. And he does. He goes back to God with a kind of like a written statement from the fallen angels to talk to God to tell God not to do it. So you're telling me a guy that walks so closely with God that knows God. God knows him. In the book, Enoch, he didn't really talk God too much. He hears it from an angel. He goes talk to these angels, these angels convinced him to go back to God.

It's a lot of stuff doesn't add up. Yeah. Yeah. You're absolutely right in that sense. For somebody who walked with God,

for him to be portrayed in the book of Enoch as a character that is able to be manipulated and, maybe not manipulated,

but if you're walking with God, how much access do these angels have to get you to think it's a to you to get you to think it's a good idea that you should intercede on their behalf. It's a good, it's a very good point. And I don't know how people are feeling right now with what you, what you're saying. And I don't care. I find it very interesting. And I want people to understand what you, what you're saying. And I don't care. I find it very interesting. And I want people to understand what you just said a few minutes ago because I think that it's a huge key in this. You said that you believe the book of Enoch,

there are true parts of it. And I think you said even up to maybe 90% of it's true. But what you're talking about is deception, right? Yeah. So like if this is being written by, angels and they're trying to deceive, they're not going to be like 100% all of it, their own story, they're going to intertwine the deception because that's the goal to deceive. And you don't want to make that deception so obvious.

There's a sympathetic tone to the fallen angels in this too. Very sympathetic tone. It never really goes into, you know, why they left God. It just says that they did. and then again, Enoch is interceding for them which is so weird to me

but then it's also weird that he constantly's talking to Raphael, constantly talking to Gabriel, constantly talking to Michael and they name off several others and he's constantly talking to these guys but he's never really, when he does see God a few times

do you know when he gets in God's presence he bows his head because he's before the Almighty. One of the angels tells him to raise his head, and he doesn't have to do that. You're talking about a guy that walked closely with God. God wouldn't have told him that. Also, a guy that walks so closely to God, he wouldn't have needed to do that anyway. And it's like the angels take him on these trips, show him the universe. It is an absolute glorification of angels.

The entire book is. it is a book of you almost feel like the angels are more powerful than God that God's just a figurehead that's sitting on a throne that's sending them out to do his bidding all the action is with the angels

correct which I absolutely believe that God has a hierarchy and he does have angels that are emissaries and all that he ain't doing all of it he could do whatever he wants

but I think angels have free will just like we do. I mean, I think he loves to see, you know, what they do and how they operate, the ones that love him that jump in. I mean, there's a verse in the Bible, and I cannot remember off the top of my head. Ward brought it up to me the other day when we're doing angelology, which was a new episode that we just did,

where God's basically like, he's going to step up and do this for me. One of the angels steps, okay, you go do it. He gives the angels a shot. too, you know, like it's kind of like he does with us. I totally agree with that. But the book of Enoch is such a,

it's a romantic novel to angels. But it, but not just angels, fallen angels. This isn't, this isn't God's angels that stuck with him, right? This is, this is a romantic novel for the ones that rebelled from God. Guys, they talk about the names of the fallen angels, more than they do the angels that roll with God. That's true, too.

The common listener, the common person that looks into this stuff, if you think about it, that's it, Joel, you're making some really good points here, man. Like, it's almost like we talk more about a Zazel than we talk about Michael. You know, like the names of these fallen angels, it seems like they're being focused on more in this book than anything else. Listen, in book one of the watchers, in the book of Enoch, in chapter three, this is the kind of stuff that I'm talking about.

And Azazel taught men to make swords and knives and shields, breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets and ornaments and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids and all kinds of costly stones and all coloring tinctures. That's just one verse. There are so many verses of these fallen angels. teaching us these magical, wonderful things. Amazing.

Yeah. You don't hear about that on the other side of it. In the entire book. So it says, what's the first line? He says he taught swords.

Taught men to make swords and knives and shields. He goes, swords, knives, and shields. Yes. And people can sit back and they can look at that statement

and they're like, well, that's good. David, a man after God's own heart, a mighty warrior used swords, shields. And that came from Azazel. So you're saying that if it wasn't for a Zazel, the fallen one,

David wouldn't even had a sword to fight with? Who would have still be stuck on the slingshot? You know what I'm saying? So like it's taking and like you said, romanticizing these fallen ones. And I find it very fascinating. And we were talking about the whole Noah thing. chapter four intercession of angels in the ninth verse,

then said the most high, the holy and great one spake, and sent Euryal to the son of Le Mek, and said to him, go to Noah and tell him in my name, hide thyself, and reveal to him the end that is approaching that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. Again, here goes God,

Sending out an angel to do his bidding, but these angels on both sides, but especially the fallen side, they're made to look really cool. This whole book is fantastical. And people get caught up in the fantasy aspect of it, and that's what it is. A freaking fantasy. I'm not saying that there aren't aspects of it that aren't true. You can romanticize truth. You absolutely can. like you don't don't don't get it twisted the Nazi soldiers romanticized what they were doing they thought it was beautiful Hitler thought what he was doing was beautiful you could romanticize evil and you can manipulate people with that absolutely absolutely and that I really wanted to go through Enoch before I came here because that's a huge part of this Enoch The Pillars of Lemack, which Freemasons have attributed to Boas and Yakin now, it's not what it was. When you go back to the Anderson and the Oliver Legends, they are the pillars of LeMek.

These nine hidden vaults that were discovered that Enoch hid all of the knowages where he hid the book Enoch and all that in Mount Moriah. Do you know in Egyptian culture it said that Hermes found those? And this is where the brotherhood of the state came from, because he found these books of Enoch, son of Cain. But it's been twisted over time to become son of Seth, or from Seth's bloodline. On that side of it, the Freemasons had to find a way to make this align with the Bible, the God. Even though they say they're non-religious, they do line with this a lot. Solomon, like I said, Hiram of Beth, all that stuff lines up biblically

in a lot of ways. There's a reason for that. They want to deceive. Back to what fallen angels have always wanted to do. And Satan deceive. Why is Satan not talked about in the book of Enoch? That bothers me. You know, it bothers me too.

I'm so glad you're talking about this stuff because I never really thought about the book of Enoch like this. I haven't. And it's interesting because it's, it's, it's, I don't think you're saying, at least I don't, I don't perceive it this way. I'm not, I don't think it's saying that the book of Enoch is useless because there is authentic real information there. But it's like, it's like reading a, about, it's like reading a novel.

based off a true story, there is going to be the romanticizing of the true story. And because the reason why I wouldn't say it's useless, and I don't have the actual scripture in front of me, but there are several spots, including one that's verbatim in Jude, where it is a direct quote from Enoch.

So we do know that the writers of the canonical scriptures did read the book of Enoch. But that we also know there, and recently there has been this surge of people saying that the book of Enoch should be canonized. And maybe there's a reason it's not. And I know it requires faith to trust that God's in control and God knows what's going down. But at the end of the day, it's not canonized for a reason. And I want to say this too, for people that are skeptical of Christianity, and I can understand why people are skeptical, too, because of a lot of what Satan does such a great job of infiltrating the church, dividing it a million different ways, where people are like, well, I mean, when the men got together and they put together the Bible, it was a bunch of men and men can corrupt things. but there's a verse in the Bible that says that

God can sway a king's heart in his will and that's what that trust factor comes in where you trust that God's ultimately in control that this canonical Bible is the word of God and I get the deterrence for it and I'm open to listen to them

I've heard a million ways matter of fact I used to be one of those people me too by the way I don't think people realize that Like, I used to be one of those people, too. And we were just talking about that earlier today, guys, because Jay over here has an iPhone 6, and he said that he actually knows the date because of the text that he sent. But back in the day, on June 25th, 2014,

he sent a text saying, hey, guys, I had the blue bubble or something like that now because he's got the iPhone, right? So he's still on that phone, right? And I mentioned to those guys that that was just a few months time span from me becoming a Christian. before that, I was in complete, complete rebellion to Christianity, God, period.

Like, yeah, I was raised in church. But I went through a good chunk of my 20s, adult life as a married man, in complete, well, really my whole life because I never really was a Christian. But I spent a good chunk of my 20s, like intentionally rebelling against this Christian faith. So I just, I don't think people quite, I think sometimes people hear me because I'm so, I don't know if nonchalant is the right terminology. I'm just so open, I guess, about my faith. I think they assume and they think if they don't know that I've just always been like this. And the reality is March 29, 2014, it was my salvation day.

Before that, I was like literally, that was a day where I, instantaneously. went from one extreme to the other. I instantaneously was transformed. And before that day, I was actively rebelling against this idea of God, this idea of the Bible, the gospel, all of it, actively. And I just, I don't know why I got on that. ADHD, I hand it back to you. No, no worries. But that's why I really wanted to expound on why I don't think the book of Enoch it should be canonical one and is not canonical. There has been a huge push in the past, I don't know, 20 years, even longer, but really hardcore, I don't know, even the past three or four, where they are pushing for Enoch.

And it is an absolute, when people talk about Enoch, they actually reverence it more than they do the Bible, the people that are just hardcore Enoch fans. And again, there's a reason for that. this is going into this era of what fallen angels have prepared for us and what they're moving us towards. They're moving us towards this epoch that they did back in the antediluvian times before the flood. But they're doing it a more covert way. And we're going to get to that towards the end. And that's going to kind of tie in the portal baby theory on why they're doing that. But I do want to talk about this dragon court because that's important. The bloodlines are important. So when it says that

the sons of God laid with the daughters of men or I'm sorry yeah daughters of men these women were revered now Eric this is why I brought up Game of Thrones so you and I can talk about Game of Thrones and the Dragon Bloodlines which they talk about a lot in there there's a reason why they give us the soft disclosure in these shows and these movies

if you notice something what's a theme Eric with these bloodlines. What do they do to try to keep those bloodlines intact? Anything and everything. Anything and everything. But what is one thing that they do

that's a little, I guess we would consider disgusting now? Incest? Incest. I've never seen the show. So this incest thing is hardcore

throughout the entire Game of Thrones series and... Wow. And the new series. And so, so not to make me sound like a freak or anything, but in the way that they do it, you're aware that it's incest.

But it doesn't seem. But it, they make it sexy. They make it romanticizing. They make it. They make it see. Wow. I've,

I'm not going to. You'll sit there and you'll watch it and you're like, oh, they're going to get together. hold on, pause, pause. Did you guys just hear that? Did anybody hear anything in their right ear right now? No. When you said they make it feel like I just, I heard a faint,

I heard you say it twice. You said it, it live in person. I saw you say it. And then in my right ear, I heard it again faintly. Nobody else heard that. Okay. So Christian, how much time do we have left on this thing? We're halfway?

Well, don't go by the hours, because that's total. but that line is about halfway. Okay, so we have halfway on the SD card right now. We're going to go maybe a little bit more, and then I want to pause this. So think about where you would want to break it. If you feel like it just tell me, and we're going to dump that SD card

and get it refreshed and emptied out. And we'll go again because I did that. No, I can't believe. You guys didn't hear that's weird because we're all hooked up on the same system. I heard it in my right ear. I wonder if that came on the recording. So what's the time right now?

153. Okay, so if we could remember that a time so we can maybe look back at that, I just had to pause that for a second. We're talking about Game of Thrones, the incest, and you were saying how they make it seem more natural. They make it, when you watch it, at least for me, and I'm not a freak, but it's almost like you are anticipating that it's going to happen.

and if you don't get that in the episode, you're kind of like, I thought they were gonna. Listen, House of the Dragon, you're almost wanting the two characters to get together. That's the point that I'm making,

because I didn't want to come out and say that when I'm watching it, it's like, you're almost rooting for that. It's not even the sexual component either. So they draw the storyline out so that you're not thinking about how you want,

brother to bang sister. There's the romanticized storyline that you want to see the completion of, which would then just naturally as an underlying current have the incest involved in. Gotcha. And I have never seen the show, so I'm glad you guys are breaking the staff.

Because when you mentioned about it, I was like, oh, crap, I have no idea. So House of the Dragon, they really go into depth with it. The first episode at the end, the soon-to-be queen is told that part of them keeping their power, the secret of their power, is to keep their bloodlines running strong.

They are of the dragon bloodlines. They ride dragons, by the way. They have a specific, like, innate nature with dragons. It's unique. And they breathe fire. And they do breathe fire. Perfect. Which does play into,

I think dragons were real too. So don't get your butt cheeks tight. So anyway. Would that get bunch of cheeks tight? Some people. Really? Maybe not on your show. I think if you said dinosaurs weren't real.

Some of the deep state guys on my side get real tight with that stuff. So we're going to get to this dragon court, and this is what this brotherhood of the snakes built on. And they call it the dragon court too, the dragon bloodlines. It's all the same thing. This original secret society. So there's names for these gods. I believe in my heart that all these gods existed. I think that all these cultures had these gods.

They talked to these gods. Some of these gods are locked away in the pit right now, waiting to get back out. But they were gods. To these people, they were gods. I think the Nephilim, which are the Ananaki in Sumerian culture, some people get that a little confused too because it seems like the Ananaki are gods. they were considered gods. Nefflum were considered gods of their time too. They were demigods, the Titans of old.

A 40-foot-tall humanoid. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, think Hercules, right? Right. That Hercules was considered a demigodian. Nephlem? Yeah. Perchalus could have been like...

Poseidon? Yeah. Well, people talk about Poseidon all the time. Like, you know, and I think that's where the whole Atlantis thing comes from, where you got all of your Atlantians that were very adept in the sea. they had powers guys. This is where you get your superhero push now coming from.

Marvel. They're getting you ready. They're getting you comfortable with the idea of people that have superpowers. Yes. Let me, on that note,

and don't lose your track here, but I will say this, and I don't know how everybody else feels, but I know back in the early 2000s, when Marvel started really pumping out these superhero movies, it was really popular to go to. I would go to movies

with a girlfriend, Lindsay, when I was dating her, and even in our America, And every time I'd walk out of the movie, I would feel, and I'm sure everybody feels the same way. You're walking down that hallway at the movie theater, leaving out to go out in the parking lot. And you're like, I don't want to leave this magical world I was just in. And I wish to God I could do what I just watched. Absolutely.

Oh, yeah. Like, you're like, I don't, I don't want this to end. Like, I don't want this to end. I want to be that. Right. And you go into your car and you're like, how can I become a super genius scientist that makes a super suit? Now imagine seeing these in real life and they're interceding for you. They're doing great things for you.

They're building these communities. Obviously, they're still doing awful things too because a lot of these guys were pretty bad. They pillaged. They fought each other, too. As a matter of fact, the book of giants talks about the giant civil wars that went down as well. It's not like they were just super cool with each other at all times either. These were very cocky, arrogant. Could you imagine being the son of a literal god?

having features like them, not looking like anybody else, the world's your playground. That's what superheroes are. As Jay says, is giving us that soft disclosure. They're getting us ready for this. So this dragon court, though, goes to what we call the mother of dragons. And I brought up Game of Thrones because Calisi was called the mother of dragons in that show. when I started digging into the dragon bloodlines in the dragon court, these are their names, the mother of dragons.

Everything comes from something. George R. Martin, great writer, he didn't make all this stuff up, just out of the top of his head. None of these guys are doing that. They're pulling from something. Even if it's purely his idea and he's not being coerced, he's pulling from history. Tolkien did.

Tolkien pulled from the fairer. cultures, which fairies did exist, by the way, the fairy bloodline. They know about these cultures. They know about these things. They believe in these things. What are we talking about, Tolkien? They say token's been to hidden worlds. That's all I'm going to say. We're going to leave it with that. You're, don't be cramping in on my new podcast. I'm not cramping in on it. I'm just saying that Tolkien has been said to have seen things and that's why he was able to write so fluently about it, about these fairies, about these things. Why, why they line up so closely with these cultures from before? So, I don't want to go too far off what you're talking about,

but what you said about early, just struck me, Netflix, 2021 came out of the, I believe it was a TV show, I believe it was, I remember watching it, it's called Jupiter's Legacy. And it's about these superheroes who are like your Marvel superheroes. They're saving the world and everything. But then you get to see behind the curtains of how evil they are and how corrupt they are and how they actually hate the human beings that they're helping. It's like the boys. I was going to say just like the boys because they freaking hate people.

What's that? So the boys is a big show on Amazon Prime. And it is based on a graphic novel run. And it is the absolute seedy world. of superheroes. They're a corporation. They have, they have marketing teams that make them look good. When bad things happen, they come and intercede, make them look better. But they all have selfish agendas and they have so much power that nobody can really stop them if they want to. That's exactly what Jupiter's legacy is as well. That's exactly what it is. That's, like, and so

this is, this is kind of blow my mind because it's, it's just taking what they're giving us. But it's like, it's the truth, right? Correct. Go ahead. Keep going. I just, when you said that, I got my, I was like, wait a second, what you just said literally was a TV show that I watched. I don't watch a whole lot of TV shows.

Yeah. But when the kids were born, so people have to understand, when Ben was born and Gemma was born, I was driving truck. So when we had a baby, a newborn baby, my alarm can't be going off at 6 o'clock in the bedroom. So I slept in the couch for months at a time. And to go to bed at night, to fall asleep at night because I'm bored, I would watch Netflix.

And so these are the type of things I was watching. So, yeah. Sounds a lot like the boys because I know you watch the boys. It's a very entertaining show. It's good writing, but it gives you this side of superheroes that I think aligns more with what the Nephlam are. Matter of fact, there's been also a heavy push for this like rated R style of superhero. People tend to gravitate to that because it seems more realistic. Again, romanticizing, making these things acceptable.

The Nephilim. They weren't great. We know that from their fathers. But back to this mother of dragons thing, because this is wild. So as you start digging in Sumerian culture, Babylonian culture, and you start grabbing these names. So it kind of started with like Mother Earth and Herzag, who's also known as Gaia Isis. She's like a matriarchal source for the mighty men of old. These are women that bore Nephilim, but these were like your top tier, the mother of Jerusalem. The mother of dragons. Just like Game of Thrones. She was able to, what, make these

dragon eggs hatch when nobody else could? These dragons were born of her in fire. She literally was burned in fire with these eggs, came out of the fire unscathed, and there were five dragons with her, ready to go. That was an allegory

for what the real mother of dragons were doing. They were bearing these Nephilim. And they weren't just barring them one time. They were bearing them a lot. So you've got Neherstag, which they called the dragon queen of life, her mother key, the dragon queen of the earth.

All these names you'll understand too because they tie into this like Gaia, Mother Earth, all these names for like nature. They're derivatives of these women that bore these Nephilim, these dragon bloodlines. You got Tiamet, who is like, part of the Ananaki. Tiamet is actually known as the female Leviathan. I tracked a female Leviathan back to the book of giants,

which said that when Noah got on the ark, there were still giants alive, the ones that didn't get away with their fallen angels or whatever. They were getting, you know, the deluge. They got eaten by a female Leviathan in the book of giants. So I thought that correlation was really unique to this crazy godlike monster that helped them die. And it could be allegorical, but we're talking about these women who were considered or gods, because here's the thing too, these Ananaki, these Nephilim, they had kids, the females did.

There wasn't just male Nephilim. There was females as well. also, by the way, for people that want to know how physically it's possible for Nephalum to have relations with humankind. Doug Deke talked to Gary Wayne last week. I wanted to ask this question. This has been bothering me for like two years. How?

He starts laughing and he said that there are some hieroglyphs that actually show this. There are women and there's like a giant like cup thing coming out of them and then a standing over. So there's some sort of device that's allowing it to create this life. And then he said on the flip side, for men, they could easily, you know, copulate with like a giant female. That's possible. So they did do that.

That's how these bloodlines got diluted. These bloodlines still exist, guys. The dragon court, the patriarchal, this is what these elites are. protect. This is what these elites are. This is why they think they're better than us because they have the blood of the gods. This goes back to Lucifer, what I said earlier, meat sacks. They're not meat sacks, not holy. They have the blood of the gods. If you were walking around the blood of the gods and you were raised to know that you had the blood of the gods and you are a part of this elite structure, power structure, why wouldn't you think you're better than everyone else?

Yeah. We're nothing to these people. We're cattle. If you look at it in more simplistic terms away from that, you look at today's world of athletics, professional athletics. A lot of these professional athletes carry themselves in that kind of vein. You look at these professional athletes and the way that their interactions with people that are not professional athletes, the media,

the fan base, it's like, like, it's like, who are you to even suggest such a thing? Whatever you're talking about, right? It's, it's,

it's this like, we are top tier. Not only are we superior physical specimens than almost 100% of people out there, but we even have the riches to batch it up. Like, they have everything. And it's this idea that we are better than you.

And it's the same situation I would think with that. I was trying to maybe like modernize the idea of this. Maybe I didn't do it. Good job. No, you did it. You give me the dead stare. I'm like, oh, maybe I did bad job. No, no, you made perfect sense.

And I've got some wild theories about athletes in Nephilim anyway. Because I was thinking, in my mind, Russell Westbrook has that kind of attitude that I was thinking of. It's just like, like, Russell Westbrook strikes me as the kind of person. Like, if I came to him and started asking him questions, you're like, dude, I don't know who you are. Get away from me. You know what I mean? It's just like that, like, what?

You know, like, just get away. Eric, what was the episode I did with you? Was it called transhumanism? Yes. Okay. I won't go into detail here because we don't want to get you banned, but I go a little bit deeper into what I think about some athletes in Nethelm. But I go into a weird aspect of it. So if you get a chance, go to uncomfortable. Uncomfortable podcast. I'm looking it up. I'm looking it up. Yeah. So cool. And I really go into this crazy theory about Nephalm and transhumanism. So go check that out. But you were right spot on. That's why I was looking at you that. I was like, you're hitting home with some stuff you don't know what you're hitting home on.

I was just like, oh, maybe I'm way off. No, you're way closer than you think. I've never seen Joel, look at me such a way. Yeah, so I think on that note, we could take a break. And we'll come back. Awesome. Yeah, and actually it was funny because Christian was just doing the break. So awesome.

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That was SciUp. That was episode 35. Gotcha. So we were referencing that earlier stuff for the listeners if you want to go back and listen to that Uncomfortable podcast, episode called Sy Up, where Joel was on Eric's show Uncomfortable Podcast. And once again, just to let people know, since we're here coming back in from the intermission, I am your host of this episode on all these other RSS feed streams. My name is Tony Merkel. I host the Confessionals podcast,

where we talk to people about their bizarre paranormal encounters, and we are joined by Joel from Kill the Mockingbirds. Joel, just a brief synops. Just introduce yourself real quick. Yeah, I'm one half of the group Van Tesla with Kwan Duke and I'm also one half of the podcast Kill the Mocking Burrs with Sean Chris

where we keep your butt cheeks tight. Keep butt cheeks tight. Eric. Eric Slodgy, host of uncomfortable podcast. I am the only that's it. I'm the only. I have no partners.

The one and only Eric. I have nothing other than myself. Perfect. And Justin, what's up, man? Just Encryptus a corn podcast. One third. We do magical thing, science stuff. That's where we meet.

One third. Mm-hmm. You have a third person? Yeah. I didn't know that. My wife. Oh, shout out to your wife. In that case, I'm one half of the confessional podcast.

Lindsay is my wife. I am still just the one. The one. So we're talking. He's actively pursuing that. Yeah. So, We're talking some bonkers stuff. Joel, you were rolling that first half popping brains.

And I think it's needed. I think it's sobering. I think I needed to hear some of the things you were saying. And I hope that the audience is eating it up. And Joel, is there an email people can email you at? Because if they want to complain, they should know where to direct those complaints. Absolutely. So I got a couple emails. If you just want to go to Kill the Mockingbirds at gmail.com. And address Sean Chris. For sure. If you want to go there so he can see some of the heat you want to give me, definitely do that because we both run all the Kill the Mockingbird stuff together. So whether it's social media or emails, whatever, we run both that together. So we both see everything that comes through.

It's always funny when somebody sends through an attack to one of us. And it's like, no, no, we saw that too. I saw that, bud. So he saw me talking bad about me. If you just want to reach out to me, me individually to give me a reaming, go to Joel Thomas at vandesla.com. That's the easiest way to do it. You can try to DM me, but if it's something nasty, I'm probably just not even going to look at it. Yeah, if you want to scope his social media,

even though you don't like him, you don't want to say that because they'll just block you. So the best way to get to keep yourself from being unblocked is real quick. And I'm not going to go on a long tangent on this, though. But I encourage anybody that is a creator and anything that has social media. If somebody's actively doing things you don't like, just don't engage with them, block them. If somebody came in your house running their mouth, you would kick them out.

Probably worse. Yeah, they'd shoot them. So, oh, my God. Jeez. That escalated quickly. I'm sorry. I'm Tennessee Tony over here, and he's, he's, he's, I mean, it's enough for attacking entities.

He's trying to go, he is trying to lure the three letters in. He's like, we're getting them all in here now, boy. But no, you're right. You're right. Absolutely. Just block them. We found so much peace doing that. You know, generally speaking, if you don't like what we say on social media,

which a lot of the reals people get super angry with, and I'd say majority, let me give a lot of shout out, though. A lot of people give us a lot of great compliments and love what we're doing. When people don't agree with stuff, though, they say what they disagree with. fine. But if you're just jumping in like trash, blah, and a bunch of like yuck mouth, whatever, I'm just going to yuck mouth you out of here. Like, I encourage anybody else, though, who's creating to do that because you don't need to see that negativity. We're not trying to build negativity here. We're just trying to uplift each other. And at the end of the day,

if you don't agree with somebody, you know what you can do is just scroll right on past. It's so simple as that. That's what I do when I don't agree with something. And sometimes, honestly, if my butt cheeks are getting tight, I go look into it. And then I find out that, man, that person was kind of right. I'm kind of wrong. Yeah, for sure. But I know you ready to get back into it. Yeah.

And we're going to go to one of my favorite parts of this, the meat sacks. And this is the part where Eric really starts getting tight. And we're going to delve into this. We're going to start with the 1947. having. And I know that the scientists directly across me is going to be involved with some of this conversation for sure because he knows a lot about this stuff. So I definitely want him involve this because he and I've talked a lot about this stuff on the phone. We've dug into this. We've had conversations. Not that you and I haven't too, Eric, but we've, I don't know if we

had an in-depth conversation on the phone like Justin and I. You're done with me. Well, it's, you're getting to that point where we got to take you out to the pasture, you know? The farm upstate. Speaking of that thing you were talking about earlier. Those emails again should be addressed to Joel Thomas at vandesla.com. Give us that one number. Yeah, so, you know, the meat sack thing really started coming to the forefront when I was digging into cryptids, right? This is kind of when I really started thinking about it because it was coming up in cryptic communities and guys that tie in.

government agencies, three-letter agencies, into the paranormal, into alien activity, into what I would like to introduce today is the Nephilim and the fallen spirits of the Nephilim. So I want to be clear about the meat sacks. I don't think that fallen angels take over these or puppet these meat sacks. Fallen angels can't possess. Paul Angels can avatar. So an avatar for people that don't understand is more of a remote control. Like say you were playing a video game and you held a remote control and you were controlling a third person player game. Moving them around, telling them what to do.

You had complete control over them, but you're not inside of them. It's like the movie avatar and not the one we were talking about Justin. Justin thought I was talking about Avatar the Airbender. I was also three sheets to the wind. You were three sheets to the wind. He thought I was talking about Avatar, the airbender.

I was talking about the movie Avatar where they literally get inside of the tubes and their consciousness goes into these bodies, which essentially is the same thing. I think Fallen Angels can do that. I think that's been done a lot throughout the Bible, when they talk about fallen angels interacting and you see these possessions but aren't necessarily possessions where demonic entities are inside, I think that the Antichrist

will be avatared. He will be created for the purpose of Lucifer, Lucifer avataring him. He'll have some control. He knows what's going on, but he's going to actively give up his body to allow Satan to avatar him to create this illusion. Satan needs that to be able to interact with people on a level that won't scare them. I also think that the antichrist is from these bloodlines, specifically the patriarchal dragon bloodline. I think he's going to come from that. This is what they're gearing up for, the elites.

That's what they want. I also think he's going to be enough of him. I think he may be visibly a nephalum in the sense of six fingers, six toes. He's going to appear to be that evolutionary step for humanity. The quote unquote alien human hybrid, the perfect hybrid. This is what they're moving towards. Because, and this is my belief, and I know a lot of people have different beliefs, and Eric and I amicably.

argue about these points, but I believe the word of God. I don't believe that aliens came in and messed with our DNA back in the day with some apes and made us. But this is what they are pushing. You watch ancient aliens. You watch any of these, you know, disclosure documentaries where they start going down these rabbit holes of ancient aliens and they start showing all the higher glyphs and granted these higher glyphs show all kind of things spaceships these things things were around back then they were that's why they're up on these walls absolutely they look very similar to what we think aliens are today um in some ways though these grays especially the grays they show up in irish culture as fairies

They had flying ships and they kidnapped people. They were gray. And these show up throughout cultural history. You could look up on some of the walls. You could see grays like in different cultures. Big heads, big eyes, small. They'll even look small than humans. They won't look like the Nephlin that are towering over humans,

but you'll see them in these spaces. Now when it comes to grays, I think there's different kinds of grays though, too. You know how we talk about cryptids? We talk about Bigfoot, how we think there's metaphysical. we think they're physical, maybe something in between. There's different things going on. Justin, you talked about this yesterday

about Bigfoot. You want to expound on what you think about Bigfoot real quick, because this will tie back into the gray stuff. Yeah. It's, you're talking about with, like, the Fay and stuff? Yes. Okay. Yeah, there's the organic, like, the thing I think I encountered was the

classic Fleshed Blood organic. I believe I was standing across from an animal, but other people have the encounters where they're more, they're not. And so the Fayfolk, when you experience them in the wilderness, they will mimic whatever you want them to be. And when people go out in the woods, that's the big thing. They want to see Bigfoot. And how many people go walking through Hocking Hills, that's, you know, by us.

But it's like, I hope we see Bigfoot. So you encounter one of these entities, they have that, they feel that energy. Here's the costume I'll put on. here's the look I'll do. That's when you have Bigfoot that are associated with orbs of light. The red eye glow, not eyes shine. And yeah, so that's basically that.

But there's organic, like, people experience fully animalistic behaviors, you know, something you would expect to see in the animal kingdom. Why would the Fay do that? Or why would anything else do that if you don't need to do that? Why are you trying to dig up grubs

if you are a spiritual being that doesn't need it? But then why can you walk off a cliff? Why do you have glow and red eyes and why can you use a ball of light, you know? So that's what basically that is. It's two very different things that happen to look very similar. I think one is looking very similar because that is what you want it to look like.

So you're putting that image out there and it's just like, okay, I'll wear this costume. I'll do this. Yeah, for sure. And I think that's happening with the gray alien side of it too. I think you've got fallen angels that can disguise themselves or even. Fay, in that sense, can disguise themselves as these grays. That's the ones that you see that show up in the rooms that look almost transparent. You know, they'll freeze people, you know, they'll have that paralysis.

It's almost like a see-through thing with them. You know, it's that weird, out of kind of disproportionate thing that's going on inside of your head. It's almost like they're in your head in a sense. But when you look at them, it's, it's, they look physical. They look physical, but you can see through them. But the meat sack idea, this comes from the Nephilim. So if you know anything about the Bible, God put a cap on the lifespans of 120 years. There's a reason for that because the original Nephilim didn't have lifespan.

They kind of inherited from their fathers this ability to have eternal life. Now, imagine how arrogant you would be as a giant that the original Nephlin, they say, and I've got kind of this little graph right here, and I can show you guys of the original. These are actually, this was bones that were found in Roman culture. This is 36 cubics. This is over 40 feet tall. They found two of them next to each other, and then there was some earthquake, and they found the third one on this island.

Wow. So this is kind of in the range of what people think is what was the original ones. That's incredibly big. Correct. Like just for a second, think about, you said 40 feet tall,

think about how wide that is. Correct. This isn't just a bean pole. Two to one is what they say they are in ratio. As humans are 3 to 1, they say NEPLOM are 2 to 1. So they would have to be half as wide as they are tall. 20 feet wide to 40 feet tall if they were 40 feet.

That gives you a range of what you're thinking. And they were very, very athletic, very fast, quick. And they inherited traits from their fathers. So they had what we would consider superpowers. They had things that they could do that, wasn't human-like. It's where you kind of get some of your shape-shifting from, which I think was passed down through some of the,

especially the fairy side, when you start getting into like the fay folk and you start getting into the reptilians, which the salamanders, they call them, salamanders, he's always talking about salamanders, Justin. Salamanders, they shape-shift, but they are part of that fairy side. So reptilians were kind of the upper tier of the fairy side.

They're a little below Nephilim, but they're like the upper tier of that, fairy bloodline. So they inherit these traits. And so essentially, back to the grays. So these meat sacks are created for these nephalum. Because these nephal, these men are renowned, when they put that cap, when God put that 120 year cap down, that's why. They were living forever. But they don't have a place to go. Their spirit has no place to go. of Enot talks about it. Again, we're talking

Enoch 90 percentile, I think, in truth. Even the, even the book of giants talks about it. These were the spirits. These are the demons that we talk about. There's a host of different kind of demons. But they're pretty angry. Think about it. You had you could live forever. You were a freaking Nephilim,

giant with powers, and you ruled. And then God put a cap on you, and then your body died out, and then you got no place to go. No cap. So you either go to Sheal or the underworld or you run the earth looking for a body. Now they possess. That's what they're able to do. If people allow them, if you're open to that type of thing without even knowing it sometimes,

you're dabbling in things, you don't know you're dabbling in. That opens up these doors. You can open yourself up to possession. but I believe these meat sacks are created for these demonic entities. So these are your grays that aren't see-through that are very organic. I think 1947, I think they found meat sacks. Because here's what I think about the government. I think the government is stupid in a lot of ways.

I think they can be tricked easily. I think a lot of people in the government are just puppets. Now, they're kind of like meat sacks too. But they're puppets that aren't in control. These bloodlines, these family bloodlines that are behind the scenes, they're the ones that know what really the entities are. They know what the fallen angels are. They know what the nephalim are.

They know what these demonic entities are. But what's the best manipulation, the best trick? You check the government too. You stage a crash. Bodies drop. Technologies found. Two of them are still alive. You take them down.

Just the story goes. And if people don't know the story, we're going to just a little bit. One of them dies. The other one lives. He's in there for a year. Not talking to him. Nothing.

And one day they walk in, he's just speaking English. He's like, yo, uh, let me get to the mother. shit real quick. We'll set something up. And they do. They set something up. It's kind of what the Majestic 12 was created. Eisenhower, Rockefeller, all the names we know are involved. The Vatican is big time involved with this. Matter of fact, they're the only religious entity that's always

involved with this stuff. Nobody else. It wasn't like they got like, you know, somebody, the upper tier in Islam and like, come over here and help us out. No, no, no, no. Southern Baptist Church. Correct. They're not doing that. They send a bishop out there with them. They make a pact with these, quote-unquote, beings.

And the pact is to allow the gray's, and there's conjecture where's their reptilians evolved too, because a lot of people think reptilians tell grays what to do. There's always, it seems to be a reptilian involved. in some of these things. I do think fallen angels do manifest different ways. So I think they can manifest as a gray,

can manifest as like reptilian to, again, back to the faith thing. You know, they could take different appearances here to trick. We know they can shape shift. This has been in so many... That's straight biblical. Straight biblical.

Like, just for... When we're saying this stuff, sometimes I just feel the need to maybe point back to the biblical aspect just so that people listening that are of a Christian foundation can

understand and maybe just helping them visualize the direction because what we're talking about is deep stuff. It's crazy, right? But the idea that what you're talking about, fallen angels, shape-shifting reptilians, come on. No, in reality, we have evidence throughout the Bible of angels

coming before men and shape-shifting. And one of the best examples is with Lot. And they looked like human men to the point that the city wanted to have sex with them. And Lott's like, in which I don't agree with, lots messed up for this, but he's like, no, no, these are my guess. You can have my daughters. And like, we don't want your daughters. We want those men.

But these are angels that looked like humans, broke bread with him. ate with him, consumed food with him. So in that story, they are shape-shifting. Yeah. So it's not, because when we say shape-shift, some people might just tune down like, come on, bro. Like, shape-shifting, really? But no, no, really.

And I don't know if we said it on the recording at some point today, but I know we talked about it this weekend, how the Christians, So the supernatural being taken out of Christianity, right? And part of that process is American Christianity, American churches, they have a very hard time Christians fathoming what we're talking about. They want to laugh at the idea that we want to talk about

Bigfoot or all this supernatural, this crazy stuff. Let's just forget the supernatural, it's called paranormal stuff. but it's literally in their Bible. And if they would just read it, they would see that. Well, they say all that stuff is just an allegory or it's a metaphor, that it's not real. I think when you take that part out of it, but here's the issue, though, you believe that there's a God. Whether you believe that that book's metaphorical, you believe there's a God. That you never laid eyes on.

A supernatural being that created you. So you're telling me that that supernatural being just created us and nothing else. And it was just like benign and vanilla. You're telling me that. Listen to yourself. You sound ridiculous. Like, now, if you want to come to me and say you don't believe in God

and you believe in the Big Bang and you believe in this like structured, ordered, cool. Cool. That makes sense to me. Yep. I can get down with that. I'm not going to fault you for that.

I totally get that scientific view. But if you get out of that scientific view and you start talking about you believe in God or whatever, well, now you just open up the whole world of possibilities. You can't reel it back in. You can't just go halfway or a step. It'll make any sense. You paradoxed yourself. Absolutely.

So I didn't mean to pull away from you and stuff. I just kind of felt like I needed to interject that because I just want people who are listening that maybe come from a Christian foundation, especially as Christian because I've had a lot of interactions with them over the years. They can tend to overlook things that if they just would pause for a second and put it in perspective, it's like, oh, well, yeah, I guess that that does make sense. you know what I mean? Right. And so I maybe because, and typically I probably wouldn't even do that, but knowing that this is going to be on three other podcasts streams, you don't know who's listening.

And so I thought it would be a good idea for us to. No, for sure. And it was something that you and I talk about all the time. I've talked about with Eric. I've talked about with Justin, Jay. Like, it just makes sense. Justin's wife. And Justin's wife, actually, yes.

For sure. So it, but in all honesty, it's true, and I'm glad you put that out there because I find it absolutely fascinating people that can believe in God but can't believe in anything else. It just doesn't make any sin. It doesn't add up.

Do one or the other. Don't halfway something. Don't halfway it. Like, you don't have to, listen, and you don't have to say that you believe in the Bible, but if you believe in a God, you need to be open to all this other crap. Like, you've got to be

because there's no other way around it. you believe in a being. Let me play the devil's advocate for a minute. And maybe that's a bad term to use at this point. But let me just play the devil's advocate. You're preaching that if you are open to believing in God, then you have to open yourself to all that. But from the standpoint of some people's perception,

you are taking everything that would make God even more incredibly vast and creative. And you're wrapping everything back up and sending it all back to that. What do you mean by that? Explain that part. Because you're saying that aliens are actually the angels. And instead of being open to that God created aliens, God created us, he created the angels, he created demons and all the creepy, crawly little things that go along with them, and the aliens, and this, and that, and this, and that.

And they're separate. They don't all have to, again, I'm playing the devil's advocate. They don't all have to come back to the things that you're saying. They don't all have to wrap back up into a religious conspiracy that that bottoms out with everything is related to angels and demons and the fight against God. So again, again, I'm not looking to argue. I'm just taking from the standpoint of the standpoint. You started it. And that's fine too.

I mean, it can go there every one. But what I'm doing is I'm taking from a list. listeners perspective. Yeah. And saying that as a listener, my God is so much more than what you're giving them credit for and you're minimizing, essentially, a minimizing and taking away from the aspect of there is more. And it all comes back to it's got to be all wrapped up in this nice little neat bow that only

Christians. And I'm going to take some heat for this. And I'm not saying this is my belief. And I'm not saying it's not my belief. I'm just taking a different perspective of somebody who's listening to this. Sure. Of what it could sound like. Yeah.

So I'm open to God creating all kind of stuff. I think you're missing the point. I get what you're saying. No, the devil's advocate is. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Eric's driving with you. I know.

I see him getting that heated over there and I know he's about to blow. I'm not heated at all. I'm just playing. I'll be as sarcastic. So what I mean is I do not like rain God in at all. Everything you said could be true. 100%. My issue with aliens is there's just not anything good coming out of them, ever, for that matter. They're just demonic.

And anybody that's had these interactions, Eric, it always ends badly. And we hear this time and time again, Justin, nod on your head over there. What do you think? Anything that involves, specifically the grays, always ends horribly. Even if they're positive. But there's also stories of the Nordics and there's stories of the

Palladians and there's stories of this and that. All of it could be complete and utter horse shit from the word go. But you're saying it always ends that way. But there are stories that are talking about Balevin. be levelant entities, you know, and I think when you use the word entity in relation to describing extraterrestrial, the word entity has a negative connotation to it anyway. Even if you say a spiritual entity, it kind of makes you feel like you're talking about something that might not be on the good side.

You know, so, but, you know, again, I'm playing the devil's advocate. I love it. That's why you're here. Yeah, I mean, um, So I've said this for years. Who am I to say that God can't create aliens? If God is so big and powerful, like I believe, then who's to say he can't do anything? And that's where I shrink and I say, maybe, you know, because I'm not God. And like I said earlier, way earlier in the conversation, I don't believe all of history

that all of the history cannot be encompassed into the Bible. God gave us information in the Bible for a specific reason. So outside of that, I don't know what God did, right? Devil's advocate to your devil's advocate. There could be alien entities God created that are deceptive. and are actually nefarious, but coming across as, as benevolent beings,

just like we know, fallen angels rebelled against God and things like that. So, like, let's forget, forget, we're getting way off into the waters right now, but, like,

forget about aliens being fallen angels or anything like that. Let's just say aliens are aliens. There are other entities or beings from other universes and planets. They could rebel against their creator, just like fallen angels have,

just like human beings do. You know what I mean? And so that's why I think from a Christian foundation perspective, we, well, I should not put my faith and trust in any beings or entities

outside of Christ, God, because there is that deception. And we, And we know that aliens, fallen angels are real. And it's in the name. They have fallen. They have rebelled from God.

And there could be a whole vast of beings throughout the universe that God created that at whatever point, certain sex of them maybe decided to rebel, right? Same thing with, again, Psalm 82. God held judgment amongst God. Like God literally created other gods. Like literally. it says it. And then he's like, how long are you going to hold the wicked?

I forget how it goes. I always mess it up. But basically he's saying like, dude, there's bad people in the world and you're promoting them. Like you're doing exact opposite, right? So like these gods didn't do their job, you know? And so I just, I don't know. I'm probably going way off.

I want to say this, back to the alien thing. Because really, I was specifically talking about grays. I wasn't getting into all the other alien entities, which there's a lot, which we've heard of. And, you know, we've been talking about Adam R. Bird going in the center of the earth and all that whole hoopla, too, with the tall, blind, humanoid people. And again, I think it was odd, though, with every alien encounter. And this is why I go to this, Eric. they always push themselves as our creators every time. Grays,

trillions, they all come in and say that they are the evolution, the next level of evolution of us, that they helped guide us, the ancient alien theories, helped guide us over the centuries. They were our gods. that's why I tie it back into Fallen Angels, Eric. It's because of what they're saying.

It's not because of what they're doing per se, because sometimes they can come off, like you said, as benevolent. A lot of times it starts that way. But it always becomes a... Take your focus off him. Take your focus off God, the creator. Why is it that... You're right.

God can create wherever he wants. I totally agree with you. But why are these entities, if they were something God created, why are they telling us that they created us? Why is it always that? That's the issue I have with it. That's why I pull it back into this portal baby theory. Because they do this consistently, and they've done it forever.

It's just now we're calling them aliens. They were called a multitude of different things throughout history. We're just now calling them aliens. technology, all these things. That's the issue I have. They have taken upon themselves to tell us that they created us. So if you're right,

and you're playing devil's advocate, you're not really saying what you think. You're just saying that God, in his vastness, in infinite glory, can do whatever he wants. I completely agree with you. We don't know,

a small fraction of anything he's done. Okay, he created these aliens. We're not very good because they're coming and telling us that they created us. They definitely have an agenda themselves. That's where I'm going with it. And that's why I draw it back into this theory, especially the grays. Because they've showed up throughout history. They're showing up a lot right now.

A lot. And the meat sack aliens, along with meat sack cryptids, by the way, I think that the cryptids that are showing up around these bases, the white bigfoot, dogmen, I think there are meat sacks that are created by the government for these entities to take over. Preach! Because they have a specific goal in mind.

Meat sacks just don't like stop with gray aliens. And back to the government being stupid, if it's a biological organism that you find, whether an entity was inside of it or not, a demonic entity, still biological, still take it apart. So meat,

sack. It's what they're able to look at. I did that just for Eric. For the audience listening right now, like as soon as he said, meat, sacked, Eric's just like chuckling and shaking his head.

He's just like... I'm really not doing it. It's like, sir, you know, we're just at that part. But they... it's easy to, it would be easy to fool governments too. Again, back to the bloodlines, the elite bloodlines, they know what's going on.

But they need to fool everybody. I believe the governments really believe they're talking to aliens. I think they believe that they're in a pact with the aliens, back to the Majestic 12 when they made the pack, where the aliens, the grays, told them that, hey, listen, we're going to abduct X amount of people. We're going to make a pack with you. We'll give you technology to allow us to take people, we'll let you know who we take, even though they didn't adhere to that. They started to just run a ramp and do whatever they wanted.

Taking women. Taking women. Is this drawing anything back to Enoch? No, can you go further? So I think that Greys are facilitating taking men and women, both. I think they take, we'll just, for the best way to say it, fluids from men to help with this process.

Genetic material. Thank you. See, it's nice having him here. It's nice having a scientist on board. I know. Genetic material. Yes, taking genetic material from both. I think women are hosts.

I think they're trying to create the perfect nephalum. Gary Wayne told me something a week ago that resonated with me. And I was like, I'm totally throwing this in here because this is going to be a part of like where my theory is. Fallen Angels, he thinks there was two incursions. You think there was an incursion before the flood when they created the first nephaline? he thinks there was another incursion after the flood when the Raffaim came along and just like the new Nephilim basically.

I think there's a, I threw out my idea about the portals and he said that, well, it's not very viable in the sense of that could totally be plausible as well. I think they got portaled away into this portal world, this other dimension,

that they kept them until after the flood and they released X amount back or whatever the ones that survived, the ones they pulled. Fallen Angels did. We know they can portal. Another Raffaim can portal for sure. Because their genetic code, they can move in and out of portals. They know it's actually part of ritualistic system as well. That's why people now, which is warlocks, people use rituals to do what? Open portals. Open portals. They've been doing

it for centuries. The, the Nephilim were just really adept at it because they had, they were really close to the bloodline. They knew what they were doing. They were taught from their father is what they do. And I think, yeah, they portal them away, brought them back. And I think right now that's what they're doing. But Gary Wayne made a point to me, and it made a lot of sense. He said that God has a strict rule on earth, that if there's an incursion, you're going to the pit. do that it is. You go to the pit, you're going to the abyss until it's time to unlock you in the last days when they let them back out again. So I'm wrapping my mind around this. The portal world. It's not Earth. That's the loophole. That's where they're building these Nephilim armies. So what's happening? That's where they're going to do it. Because if you ever think about these alien abductions, they go somewhere, they don't know where they go. They're not on Earth. They're going to. They're going to. They're going to. They're going. to wherever these ships take them or wherever they go. A lot of times they're just in this like crazy lucid state.

They don't know what's going on. And this is where they're testing. So now again, this goes back to science. The fallen angels are angels in general are very, very technologically advanced. We talked about the angel wars on first earth. before the new earth when Adam came. The Angel Wars, I think, was a technological just eruption between two sides. You imagine two warring factions with technology that's out of control

and making the basically the earth implode on itself. So I think what they've done, they found the loophole, and it's why they're not in the open anymore. They know they can't because if they do an incursion here, they're going right back. they got to build this thing. And to Eric, your point on portal babies, you made a really good point that stuck with me as part of this that's building part of this theory. There's elites and there's a small amount of them.

There's not a lot of them. When it comes to subjugating people, you need an army and you need a strong army. And their main interest is to find the remaining bloodlines and those who are purist, of those bloodlines because it'll be easier to get back to the original bloodline.

Correct. That really resonated with me. He told me that on that podcast with them needing. They need bouncers. Like some big ones in the wings. But I do think that when you get to this ultimate Nephilim,

this, what they're looking to build this Antichrist to be. I think he's going to be very close to human. I don't think it's going to be like some massive giant. I think he's going to look like us. Maybe outside of six fingers, you know, six toes. Maybe something a little different. I think power level would be something we consider a superhero to be able to do.

Things that we don't understand. Like Star Wars, Force, something like that. Things that our minds can't understand scientifically. I always say that magic is just science that we don't understand. it is. Like, we consider God magical, but that's just science. There's a science to it.

There's an encoding, the way that he encoded the earth, encoded the universe, encoded us with DNA. That's science. But the average person like that, it's magic. I mean, it flows out completely.

But I believe that that's the loophole. They're taking them here, they're building these, making these Nephlem, testing these nephalum, and then they're bringing the people back. Whether they let, like, some women, they let it gestate for a little bit, and they just up and they don't have the baby anymore. And then nobody around there remembers them being pregnant. And you feel like they're going crazy. You know, you got that. But as far as

the incursion goes, I think the incursion doesn't happen here. I think it happens in this portal world. And I'm not going to say anything about, you know what, but I will say the Hidden book affirmed a lot. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of where I'm going with this. Hidden book, meaning, I have, I'm working on a new podcast that should be out within the next, I would say, six months to a year. And probably sooner, I would imagine, but I'm trying to give myself a big timeline.

But basically, it's not about the book. I mean, it is, but the book is more on the back end for those involved to know that you're not crazy in the sense because the book predates my show. But there is a story that I'm chasing that intertwines everything. About a year ago, I started talking about how I have a story that seems to take all the pieces that we've been talking about over the years, and it's like a centerpiece of the puzzle, and everything seems to fit into it, and that's exactly what you're talking about.

The more you look into it, the more you're like... There's no way they made it up. No. It came out, we won't say the date, I won't say anything about it, but when it came out, it predated you by a lot. But the stories in the book are straight from my shirt.

And for these people to know what they knew, they either had to be really, like, coordinated in what... For their ages. Right. They were young. And I'm not saying people that are young can't be on it. I'm super intelligent with this stuff because I've seen something that are. But when I'm reading it, I mean, lights are just dingin off in my head because, like, I'm reading the book of Enoch.

I'm reading all this other stuff. And then I'm reading this book. and I'm like, oh my God. Like, it is just affirming this theory of mine. It was like that missing piece I needed. And I know I was like, man, I need this book. I need this book. And then I finally kept out of here, it got hold of it.

And I'm reading it. And I'm like, oh, my God. This is what I needed because it started tying in all the fabric pieces to this. Because these are, it's written by people who aren't Christian, who don't think like us at all. I mean, it was written by a witch. Exactly. She is a witch.

An absolute witch. And the guy that the story's built around is, we're talking not at all down the path we walk. No. But everything they're talking about is exactly what I'm talking about, just from that perspective. But it all lined up. So, so then what's, I mean, why the, why the secrecy, why the responsibility of not saying the name. of the book. Because the author,

uh, she's been running from this. She had, she's had, uh, people try killing her. And she had the book taken off the market.

There's only 12 to 15 copies in existence. And she doesn't want anything to do with this anymore because it scares her. And, uh, it's, it's an ethical thing for me. She doesn't want her name out there. Oh,

I understand that. I don't know that. I don't know anything other than having heard a couple of little hints. Yeah. So if I were to reveal the book, people will, like when I dropped this podcast probably is going to get bigger than confessions almost instantaneously.

And there's going to be thousands of people that would hit her up. And she scared a death of this. Like she cut me off for a while and recently started talking to me again. I was in her neck of the woods. a couple months ago and I said you want to meet and she's like absolutely not

like no you know she's happy to answer questions but she wants to keep things at an arm's distance so ethically so who's you know her fear of attack or

or you know worse coming from people who find out and disagree with her revelations or no uh well she had she had a stocker that's trying to kill her yeah but um it's more of what's in the other realm and how so spiritual not just spiritual like the stuff in the other realm is very very physical very real and very much comes in and out all the time and it scares her.

And so I can't do it, you know? And I know very well. And I've come to the understanding. I've come to the grips of this. I'm okay with it. I know I'm going to release this information. And because I'm not showing my receipts of the book, I will be called a liar.

I'll be called somebody who made it all up. I'm okay with that. I can't. Unless one day she comes to me and says, hey, I want to go on record, cool. but I can't make her do it. Right.

So it is what it is. At least there's somebody else who says these have actually read the book and seen it. I know they probably think I'm probably lying as well to back you, but I'm not.

Like I have. And if anything, it just tied everything that I think with all of what I'm saying now together. And it was awesome from that perspective

of a non-Christian completely opposite end of it for it to tie in and even the verbiage. Yeah. to be what we use. So let me ask this.

Can you, can you speak to with this knowledge? Did it change her from what she was? She's still a witch. She's still a witch. So if, if what you're saying is so empowering to what we've been talking about here all night, why has that not, why is that not changed? I mean, I know, you don't know. No, I mean, I would say for this, can you speak to it?

For the same reason that there, there's, there's tons of people that have. access to the information that we have and they're not on the same team as us. It's about perspectives. And, you know, she, she's not a witch because of this. She was a witch before it. Before it. Yeah. And so, you know, it's all about perspectives. And so her, her perspective, her worldview isn't from a Christian standpoint. So she views. But I guess, do you get what I'm saying with that kind of information? Wouldn't that just be an instantaneous? I'm on the other team now. No, not from me reading it

and understanding that perspective. It's not, because it goes back to that deception piece too. Because her definition, the way she perceives what she's been through with the information she knows, her perception is not even from the same, it's not even remotely from the same starting point that Joel and I have.

And so it's just, you know what you're saying? Like, she just, she, like, I mean, I've talked, like, I've spoken with her for hours. And she just, she's just not from the same, like, she's just not from the same perspective. And, and so, you know, you know, that's why I, I, I just, I just talk to people, you know. And, um, no, I'm not, I'm not trying to get you to say anything that you don't want to say. I don't get you wrong. No, no, I'm just, I'm saying in a great way.

No, I get where you're coming from, for sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, she's on her own path. You know, because I, you know, I said to you last night, you know, it's like, you know, we're talking about what judgment day or whatever. And, you know, when I'm standing in front and of him and he's like, you come and are you going? Mm-hmm. You know, and I'm like, I knew it, dude.

I'm packed. Let's go. I'm going. Um, you know, that, that's. But to have that kind of information, and I understand that she, her life up until that point, that she got that information, her life was based on being a witch and her beliefs and all that. I believe. I'm not 100% on that, but I believe. You would think that.

Let's put this way, that her involvement with this whole thing was active. And it was on a spiritual realm in the sense of like, let's just put this in the most simplistic ways. She is told me she was in charge of closing portals after things went through. So that alone is... I got a question I'll ask you after. Is witchcraft. And so unless she was taught how to do it for this specific reason, which is very possible. But either way, today, her running from this stuff, she still is a witch.

I think she still does witchcraft. So she's still actively closed portals if she runs into? Yeah, I would just say this, and this is, again, not give anything away, but this perspective of the book is from a different perspective. And, but it aligns. Yeah. It's like if you took two stories about the same thing, but from two different angles. So I'm telling it from this side, and you get the side taking it from that side.

and what we're talking about the same thing. That's what this book was. To me, it literally put the glue to all these pieces. It started like bringing them together. Like a Quentin Tarantino movie. Very good. There you go. Very much so.

Because what I needed was that, that other side, that other, like, confirmation. Where it was like, yep, yep, yep. What I'm saying, yep, yep, there it is. That's my line. And yeah, I just sold it. But it's true. And this is where this whole portal baby's thing goes to. And I think we should move into what happened yesterday.

Because I have pretty much ended how I think in this portal baby theory of the elites need an army for the end times. they are working on chimera as well. We know that. I think you're going to start seeing all of the weird cryptids and weird animals that were part of these armies because, you know,

you see the weird paintings and weird stuff of them riding dragons and riding these mystical beasts. That stuff exists in this other place too. They're working on a lot of stuff. and when it happens

it will be that's why this soft disclosure that's why this fantasy world that they're putting out in movies and media is so heavy right now I'm going to tell you something with what you've brought up

and what I'm working on I think we might be on the front lines of the counter to the deception of what's going to be laid out very soon. I think what we are connecting, good job Eric, I think what we are connecting dots to is going to be the front lines to the opposing force of what is going to be rolled out to be

accepted. Absolutely. And I don't say that lightly because I don't think I'm that special. But for whatever reason. God uses broken instruments all the time. For whatever reason. And why isn't he using Justin more? Because he's working on spare parts. This is something that I believe wholehearted.

Let me play this way. This is something that is going to challenge almost every single human being's perspective, no matter where you come from in life. And I believe that it is going to it is going to be something that will make or break you

but I think it's going to make a lot of people because of the information that is going to be thrown out there to the world there's going to need to be a counter to that a counter understanding to that and I think that this is going to be that because we're literally saying

the same thing that is going to be said only from the different perspective. I know it's like way coded, but I hope, I hope people understand that I really, really believe what this story is and what we're working on with what you're talking about, with what I'm doing. I wholeheartedly believe in it. And it does not, what we were talking about last night, guys, like it doesn't, it doesn't change one. Iota of my foundation in my faith at all. Strengthen strengthens it for me. Way much, very much strengthens.

It's going to shake some Christians because they're going to come at it in the wrong light with the wrong lenses. But if they can just shift their lenses, their perspective a little bit and understand they are, they are spiritual beings living in a super, super, supernatural world. if they can get that through their head, that their faith is not just going to church on a Sunday and drinking lattes in the lobby, that this is for real. And if you start reading that Old Testament of yours, don't worry about what I'm talking about.

Just read the Old Testament. And you start taking it for what it says, then when you come to the table of what, we're going to be pitching, you're going to be like, oh, it's all going to fall in line together. I really believe that. But I could be wrong. Yeah, we're always open to being wrong. I just, I'm telling you, there's been so much that's lined up with this.

And I think we want to shift gears into more confirmation of getting closer to the truth. What happened to all of us, every single one of us at this table had weird. stuff happened. Including Christian over there. Yes. Had this had stuff happened yesterday on the way here, here, later, leading up to us getting to this table right now. I remember Eric saying at one point to me like, I feel like something's like trying to hold me back from getting there. So I think with this transition, what we should do is have Joel.

Justin and Jay talk about what they saw coming down here and then Eric say what he saw because he saw a little more than what you guys saw

and then we can go from there sure so go ahead Justin since you've been quiet this last four hours I know people are going to think I don't talk boy talks

yeah that's quite the opposite he never shuts up it's a little more out of my normal wheelhouse but uh So we were at the Lexington exit And everybody will know

I love the organic UFO stuff So we make jokes about it all the time But we're at the Lexington exit I had just woke Jay up Jay had been sleeping for like an hour Because we were just switched off drivers and stuff But I'm like I want to show you where CryptaCon is You know because we're going next month

I'm going to try to meet you there It's going to be a ball I know But I was just coming here I want to do that Okay I'm just like you know I want to show Jay So I wake up he's like

like, up, there's Crypticon. And did you see it first, or did I see it first? Yeah. It's pure blue sky. Nothing out there. It's just one little cloud. And I think Jay made the joke, well, there's your, you know, there's your mushroom disguising as a cloud.

I'm like, nope, that's the manoray. And, but it was weird because it's like, it was just out of nowhere. And then we dropped it. Go on, stop talking about it instantly. Just, you know, out of our heads. that was that experience for us yeah it's wild

and the only reason why we're even talking about clouds yeah is because of what happened with Eric so go ahead Joel and talk about what you saw so I left

around the same time everybody else I'll say you know Justin and Jay left earlier than all of us because they drew they drove a little further. I left. I'm only like four, a little over four hours away. So I was going to get here first.

It was inevitable. I'm driving down, probably about two hours in, and I look up at the sky, and there's just one cloud. It struck me as odd because I'm looking around, and there's no other clouds that left, right,

nothing at all. And now we talked about this today, and I told Christian about this earlier, and I didn't know if I told you about this yet, Tony. You know, when you asked us all to draw what we saw without looking each other, we all drew the same thing. And I want to make that clear to everybody that's listening, we all drew the same cloud. When you lined them up, you lined them all up and you showed us and you're like, oh man, they all looked the same. There was one difference with mine than everyone else's. Mine was upside down. It was the same cloud, but it was upside down. So the rounded piece that to me looked very crisp, it even looked like it kind of came out of the cloud a little bit, almost in that typical UFO shape,

but then the top was where you would normally see the bottom of the cloud. And I remember thinking that that was weird. When I saw it, it kind of looks like an upside. In my mind, like just their typical cloud, not that clouds are upside down. Cloud's going to look any kind of way. But it was weird to me that the bottom was so crisp and clean. Like, I don't know. Like it was made, manmade or whatever.

Just it didn't look like a cloud. Like it was designed. Like it was designed. Thank you. But that came up today and I told Christian out he's like, what? And then I told Justin that too. I was like, I saw what you guys saw. But what was funny is I drew it upside down.

When I handed it to you, you lined up all up where they were all looking the same direction. And they all looked the same. But mine was actually upside down. So when I saw what they saw, it was in a different position. That's interesting. So what you're saying is what you saw was in a different position. But when I lined everything up because I didn't see what everybody saw,

I looked at it and I saw everything the same. And I turned yours technically upside down from what you. you saw because it matched that way to everybody else. Well, I never told you. I just handed it to you. Right. Right. That's interesting. That's really interesting. So that was, go ahead. I was just going to say the other thing is you've seen it two hours before us. Before them. Because I was in the zone where they were at two hours before. They're crossing around the same area while I'm already here. Same thing, though. Nothing in the sky but this one cloud, but this time it's in a, it's

flipped, but it's the same cloud in the same space above them. Which is interesting that that's the case because it actually shows activity leading into Eric's experience. Because Eric's experience had a lot of activity. A little freak. All right. So you're going to hear a lot from me here. So bear with me. And there's a lot of components to this.

So I'm going to start with. my son was supposed to be able to make this trip with me. It wasn't up until about the middle of the week, maybe Tuesday, where he wasn't able to get the day off Friday, which was my travel day down here. So I gave him the option. I was like, dude, if you want, he's got a two-hour drive to get to me. If you want to come with me, I will wait for you. I will forgo staying at the Airbnb on Friday night.

We'll leave in the middle of the night. We'll get down there in time to do the recording. Because he's into all this stuff as much as I am. And he got sick. And he didn't have any time off of work. So he had to work this whole week while being sick. And I finally said, dude, just when you get out of work, get to the house, you stay there, take care of the dogs, and I'll make the track myself.

Because the goal was to have somebody split a seven and a half to eight hour drive on the way down here. So that's one component that didn't really even hit me until today. So I left the house, South Bend, Indiana. I left the house at 10.10 a.m. Eastern time. I drove to a local gas station. I filled up. I grabbed a couple of Red Bulls, and I hit the road. I immediately get a phone call from Joel.

I believe it was if I looked at my phone, I think it was 1023 that Joel calls me. We have a brief, brief discussion. Hey, are you on the road? Yeah, what times are saying you're going to be there? And my phone is saying that I should be here at about 705 to 750. somewhere around there, PM, Eastern time. So, you know, I'm making the drive. Everything's going good.

And I'm looking at, you know, an eight-hour drive. A couple of stops for gas. No big shakes. Well, I get through Indiana and I'm a fairly bright guy. I don't remember being in the area of Indianapolis. You know, and I'm, I'm going alongside of it. I'm not going through the middle of it, but I'm going alongside of it.

And then I find myself in Kentucky. No, I'm not saying I don't remember how I got there. That's not what I'm getting at, but it, it just kind of came up kind of, kind of quick. There's a couple of phone calls back and forth. I think you called me once more. I talked to Jay and Jason or Jay and Justin at some point. Jason. Jason.

Jason. I'm going to get you tonight. So they pinpoint me at this traffic holdup, which on my GPS is showing like 22 minutes that it's going to slow me down. and you guys so Joel went through that area and I can remember I'm sitting very near the the water tower in Lexington right Joel has been there two hours before you guys were you guys were there literally two hours holy shit Joel what did I tell you when we were sitting out in the front and they were doing their thing with the cryptids what did I tell you when we were sitting out in the front and they were doing their thing with the cryptids what did I tell you, what number did I tell you was going to be two, two, two. Give me a minute here. Elevator music queued. 2, 2, 2, 2.2. Two hours before, two hours before. Two.

Okay. So the story behind that is there were, there were a couple of people who knew where I was going. and ultimately why I was coming down here. Why ultimately why all of us were coming down here. And I was, I was extremely forthright about what the discussion was going to be about. And, and why, because of all the electronic interference. And I think we all had agreed upon before we got to this point that there was something of a spiritual nature going on. So one person in particular that I'm very close with who lives in California,

she sends me a text message while you're in your group with the Cryptids of the Corn here earlier before this podcast recording your deal and she sends me to 2-2-2 she says it'll become apparent it just became apparent I can show you the text I'm not bullshit he did say this so this is something that we talked about before where you guys were recording earlier for cryptises episode coming up. By the way, it's going to be dope. But yes, we did talk about it. He brought it up to me and said that this was texting me. This is said it's going to be apparent what this means. And, you know, I mean, bear with me, folks here, because I'm going to pull that text up because she also included a, it's, it's right there, dude, 2, 2, 2.2. There was no explanation to it. It just came up 2, 2, 2. then she sends this like guide as far as what the numbers mean 2-2-2 stop worrying everything is working out just as it was supposed to trust that you are on the right path the right place the right time trust in what you want don't think of things you don't want when you see this number i don't know what the hell that means anyway so i'm at the water tower in lexington on the highway and traffic has slowed to a stop. And I am just kind of grooving. I'm not listening to music. I'm not listening to podcasts.

I am in my head and just kind of, I don't get a lot of time to just kind of zone out. Exist. And I'm looking out the window. And I'm looking out my driver's side window. and it is just the most serene blue sky, not a freaking cloud in the sky. I'm looking out my driver's side window

and I'm looking across my windshield, there's the water tower, and I look, and there's this cloud. It's a little cloud. I mean, in the vastness of the sky, this was like... Agreed. This is like a little cotton ball.

Yes. It's like a little cotton ball, you know. Way up. there. And again, this is a, this is a cloud. Theoretically, that was seen by everybody, but two hours apart individually. Justin, two hours later, Joel, two hours later, you. And I'm watching this cloud and I was like,

I'm like, in my head, I'm making up this, like, little allegory story. It's like, oh, the poor little bastard got left behind. You know, everybody, he's looking for the rest of the, Bob Ross stuff. Happy little cloud. He's looking for the rest of his family where they all go. And, you know, I mean, I'm sitting there and traffic's not moving. And I go back to it and it's still there. And it doesn't seem.

I remember looking at the trees off to the left hand side and the leaves were moving. You know, there was some, there was some wind moving. Yeah, it was when you did. And I look back and that cloud is still there. and it just, it struck me just in its uniqueness that it's the only thing in the sky there. And as I'm watching it, it starts to change. And it's like not morphing. It's just like a natural whispering of the cloud.

And it kind of starts to get similar to what Joel said, it starts to get a tail that kind of comes off of the left-hand side of the cloud and starts to kind of sweep underneath it in an arcing fashion. But it continues. And a part of it breaks off. And the only thing I can really associate it, you know, like maybe a tadpole, but in my head I was thinking of the yin and yang symbol, you know how the shape of the two little tadpole looking things.

things interconnect. But it's like one of those broke away from the cloud. And it moved in a counterclockwise direction underneath to the bottom of the cloud. But as it's doing it, there's another coming out. And it continued to go in a counterclockwise direction. And then the remaining part of the cloud turns into the same shape. So I'm sitting there and I'm now looking at what was one little cotton ball of a cloud. And now it's something kind of reminiscent of the recycling logo, you know, where it has the, but they're shaped like a tadpole or, you know, a short-tailed sperm. You know, I mean, it was, it was like a bulbous head with a thin tail at the end.

And I just, I was like, what the hell am I seeing here? You know, and I'm not saying it was a UFO. I'm not saying it was, I don't know what the hell it was. All I know is that it made three distinctive shapes that were all reminiscent of each other. Now, they were not perfect shapes. There were jagged edges around them. They were not perfect. It was, it was still cloudish-looking material that took on this shape.

So, I mean, it was weird. And traffic starts moving again. And, you know, I ran into. five different traffic jams, each one of them in the neighborhood of 20, 22, 25 minutes long. Some of them were dead stop. Some of them were just very slow. Bless you. Excuse me.

So I'm like, I find myself, I'm like four hours into the trip. And someone, this person that sent me the two, two, two. Um, sent me a text message as well saying, for whatever reason, I'm getting this, don't, don't let your car get below half tank. So I get to Bucky's truck stop and I pull in to get gas. I'm just barely under a half tank. I pull in at seven, seven o'clock on the dot. I was supposed to be here at seven here. at about 715, 7.30. You text it 712. You know, so I'm, I'm thinking I'm close.

I fill up with gas. I'm like bizarrely looking at how huge this gas station was. I've never seen so many rows of gas pumps in my life. I pull around after I fill up, I run into the store, I go to the bathroom, I grab a brisket sandwich off of the counter. I pay for it. I get in the car. I pull around the side of the building.

I wolf it down in no time flat. And then I'm back on the road. This is where things start really getting ramped up. So let's, I got another traffic jam. I think there were four, there were five in total on the way down. I get,

I get to, around 730, somebody that, somebody else that knew that I was on the road, somebody that I'm good friends with who is in Louisiana, another person who knew where I was going and why I was going there. I had been having a conversation at times. I shouldn't say this, but I was texting. There was a phone call just before I pulled into the. the gas station. And I checked my phone log and that ended at 7 o'clock. Once I got back on,

I got a phone call from the same person and I went to answer it and my phone would not react to the touch of my finger to answer the call. And then it came through again, another call, same person. My phone would not answer. I could not get my finger to react house. Using different fingers and it was not reacting to answer that fault, you know, to slide it over to answer the call. She calls a third time. I can't answer the call. And I sent a text that said, I'm okay. And then I get a text from Tony that says,

Hey, tell your listeners. I'm not your, yeah, you're what go between or something. I said, I sent a picture of it. and I said, tell your friends, I'm not your middle, middleman fetch boy sucker. You know, and I'm like,

what the hell is he talking about? And then the phone's ringing, and it's Joel. And Joel tells me that, hey, are you okay? Because somebody's messaging Tony through his Instagram

that you... Did you see that, Joel, on my Instagram? I did. Okay. All right. That you went, that Eric went off the grid.

And then I still, you read me the message. But this person says that, she says, check on Eric. The last time I heard from him, he was pulling into a Buckees in Kentucky. Time loss phenomenon has been directly linked to Bucky's truck stops. And I'm like, what in the hell are you talking about? you know and then it i i end up getting a hold of you yeah and i'm like and i i throw a name out to you and you're like yeah that's that's hurt and i'm like i try to answer i don't think i said this to you but i'm thinking to myself i try to answer those calls i even sent a text message that i was okay

because knowing that you know i didn't answer those calls and i had said we would start talking again after i got back on the road then i get a message from a listener who is out in Oregon of all places, you know, a couple thousand miles away. And, you know, I still got,

now I'm looking at, you know, closer to 830, 845, 9 o'clock before I'm getting here. And, you know, it's,

it's hitting me that it's taken a long time. But I'm thinking, you know, well, I've had some traffic jams, but it's like it still only adds up to 20, 40, 60, you know, like maybe an hour and a half at the most, even with the two gas stops. And that doesn't make sense. You know, that 715 puts me in at 845. And so she says, can I call you? And I said, sure. You know, I still got a ways to go. And I'm tired of not talking to anybody. So her call, I can answer. And we started having a conversation.

And while I'm talking to her, she says, this, this SLS ghost app that I have on my phone just opened up while I'm talking to you for no reason. And the phone rings. Another line coming through and it's Joel. And I said, hey, listen, dear, I got to, I got to take this call because it's people that are waiting on me. So I answered over to Joel. And Joel's like, dude, what are you doing? Stuff is starting to ramp up here already.

And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he's like, the power just went out at the Airbnb. And he's like, Jason, or now I'm doing it. We do like you, Justin. We do like you. We care about you. Justin went outside and it's not the whole neighborhood. It's just the Airbnb and three houses around it, directly beside it.

The power is out. Which we'll get to here in a minute what happened on Ironing with that. And he's, I'm going to let him go into the significance of the power outage at the Airbnb. So I'm on the road. I'm talking to this woman. I had to hang up with her. Joe calls and we got this weirdness going on. I don't realize that during the call with Joel, she, that woman in Oregon sends me a text message.

and the text message was, let me find it here. Jeez, Eric, be prepared, man. Like we're recording. What the heck? Dead air? Now I got to do sarcastic talking while you freaking look on your phone. Says,

anyway, says something to the extent of that after she got off the phone with me, she opened that app and scanned her room with the, the SLS and it showed a green stick figure standing in front of her in her room and she felt the need to tell me that she felt that it was there because of me or for me is what she said for me yeah it's pretty crazy so Joel you talk about why the power going out was so significant. Did we, hold on a second.

Are we going to talk about the, I mean, maybe, maybe I'm missing it. Maybe we did reference it. The idea of the, the time significance here. I think you should tell that before I get to this. All right. So the power is out at the Airbnb. I'm getting phone calls from multiple people. I got a woman in Oregon who's telling me that a ghost app opened up on her phone

while she was talking to me and feels the need to relay to me that the message is that that ghost was there for me. I managed to get a message to the friend in Louisiana that I was okay and I was now looking at 934 as an arrival time. So I pull in, I have a conversation with you and I'm about. 10 minutes away from their Airbnb, you tell me you're going to be there. Tony tells me he's going to be there like minutes after I am. I pull into the driveway of the Airbnb and everybody comes out to meet me and tells me that

like seconds before I pulled into the driveway, the power came back on. And, you know, I realize that I'm running late, right? but it wasn't until you came in and we had what did we talk for three and a half four hours I mean I left we left Christian what time we leave like 2 30 through 2 30 in the morning you know and I told you or I told somebody that I didn't I didn't lay down I didn't lay my head down until like 3 30 because we all went out and sat sat in the hot tub after you left and I was all our life I was trying to I was trying to decompress on this but one of the last things that you you said before you left because I kept saying that, you know, I was a couple hours late.

It didn't dawn on me until you said it that my, the time I left South Ben was essentially 10.30 in the morning. And I rolled in at 9.34. That was 11 hours that it took me to do an eight hour trip with two stops. I didn't stop for food at any other place. I got my food at the gas stations that I was at. And those two gas stations stops, including taking a whiz, total between the two of them, could not have taken more than 30 minutes. Could not have. I don't have any recollection of not knowing where I'm at. I didn't make any turns that, you know, I had a detour and, you know, go a half hour out of the way before I could get back on the highway.

It was a simple drive. My GPS was working the whole time. And I'm on the road for 11 hours to make an 8-hour drive. Makes perfect sense. And people are reaching out from two other states that know me. in a capacity that is not like somebody that I live with or a family member or something like that. It's all just freaking bizarre. And then, you know, I find out during the phone call with Joel why there's a significance to the power outage.

But I'm going to go ahead and let him tell you what it was. Yeah, Justin and I will probably tell us together So we'll definitely tell both of our perspectives on this So when I I got in town early Er than everybody else I went straight to the Airbnb, drop most of my stuff off there Christian and Tony were here at the studio

So I said, well, I'm going to roll through the studio And kind of map out Today, which we're on right now And just kind of hang out, whatever. So I have an employer interview for Kill the Mockingbirds with L.A. Marzuli. And a lot of people know who L.A. Marzuli is, especially when it comes to Nuffaloam. He's an expert. He's, you know, world-renowned. You know,

I'm excited not only because, you know, I've read L.A.'s books, but I wanted to talk to him about a specific subject and get into some things about my theories and just ask him some questions that maybe it could help shed some light on what, you know, I'm looking into. as well. So pretty excited. You know, Sean and I, we've had this book for a couple months now. And we're, you know, I'm going to go back to the Airbnb. I brought my equipment. Sean's in Michigan. He's not here. Let me just jump in real quick because I knew from a previous conversation that you were going to do an interview while you were at the Airbnb. And I knew that you were going on at 8 o'clock. Correct. So that I knew that.

Right. So I leave here about seven from Tony and Christian. And I told them, hey, I got this interview. Tony's like, hey, maybe we'll stop by later and hang out with you guys. Like, cool. I was like, it's probably about an hour. I was like, it won't be a super long interview. But I want to talk about something specific with him that he's delved into that a lot of people don't ask him about. So I get back. I set up all my equipment. I'm kind of ready to go. It's not going to start till eight, though. So I hear Justin and Jay getting there probably about 30 minutes before. 7.30th. About 7.30. So I pop out there, start talking to them. We're having a good time. We didn't talk about anything deep.

We were just like, hey, how you doing? Hot tub's going to be nice later. You know, the normal BS that people do. And Jay had to go to the restroom, unless you just say it's the sit-down version. So he had to go to the restroom. room. Yeah. And Justin and I are having a conversation right outside of the door to my room. Now, my room's got like a sitting area, study area as well. It's like two rooms. So the significance of that is I've got it set up in the one room for me to do the interview. Everything's set up. It's

ready to go. I'm not having any issues. Internet connectivity's fine. I already talked to Sean. He's ready to go. I'm talking to Justin and we're talking, we're nearing up on about 758. And I look, that is a significant number. It is significant. I look at Justin and I say, man, I'm really excited about tomorrow.

I've got all of my stuff laid out for this Portal Baby interview. I can't wait to talk to L.A. and a little bit, I'm going to have him delve into the angelic wars on Mars, and maybe I'm going to have some more things to add to my interview tomorrow. As soon as those words go out of my mouth, power shuts down just in the four houses, the house we're in, and three other houses, just in the small little zone, because the houses directly across the street did not lose power.

None of those houses did. There's tons of houses. A whole cold-de-sac. If you walk out, it was fine. Huge cul-de-sac full of houses. Houses, if you look the other way, still have their lights on. Just shut down. So, oh, my God, like, of course, like, what's going on?

So Justin starts looking at me. He's like, oh, my God, here we go again. Thanks, Joel. He did say that. Go sleep in the car. Yeah, he did say he's going to sleep in the car. Oh, man. Now, this is significant because Jay is still sitting down in the bathroom,

not knowing what's going on in the dark, by the way. So oddly enough, the internet was still on at that moment. Even you mentioned it. This is weird. I was like, yeah, it's, it's super weird because it's still flashing green. It's, you know, it's fine. Yeah, it was very odd to me that everything else was without power, including things on that outlet. And it was still going, it was still going good.

So I'm like, well, I'm just going to try to do this interview in the dark. I turned a flashlight on my phone to give myself a little. light and I open up, you know, my laptop. I get into Rifferside FM, immediately jump in. There's L.A. There's Sean. And I start talking. Sean starts talking to me. L.A. can't hear either of us. Now, this is significant because Sean is in Michigan. It would make sense if L.A. couldn't hear me because I'm having technical issues. Sean's not having any technical issues. at all. But we can hear LA, but he can't hear us at all. And he keeps, I can't hear you what's going on. While that's happening, the internet then shuts down. So now, like,

what is going on here? So I jump out and like, the internet's now now. I don't even know what to do. So then I'm like, all right, I'm going to go to like plan C. I'm going to use the hot spot on my phone and try to link up to that. At least I have some sort of internet, sir. Because the phone's working fine. 5G is fine. So I hook up the hot spot. I'll link back in. There's L.A. There's Sean.

Same thing. He can't hear us. He hears us in a muffled, like we're screaming down a tunnel. I'm in the other room and I can hear you yelling to talk to him. Correct. L.A. Yeah.

Why are you yelling at me, son? So he's super nice. And he sees it's not working out. We all see it's not working out. Sean's talking to me like we're talking right here. We can see each other. We're talking each other. We can hear each other perfectly.

Sean's like, man, I don't know what's going on. You can just see LA looking around. And he's like, I can hear you. It's like, you're screaming down the hallway. So I start yelling louder. And I'm apologizing. I'm like, look, man, I'm going to be honest with you. This is like the fourth time in a row that something's happened when I'm dealing with

the stuff. So L.A. without even blinking, just kind of looks at me. He's like, yeah, it's kind of normal. when you're dealing with this stuff, he's like, I've had it happen a good bit. So he's had this happen because this is the subject matter he deals with all the time.

He deals with Netham all the time. Matter of fact, he told me that National Geographic has come out with a documentary Disproving Giants. That's one of them. History Channel, whatever. I could be wrong.

But he, of which network that did it. But he brought that up. And he kind of went on a rant about free speech, which I was loving. And then he's like, look, just hit me up. We'll try to reschedule next week. I'm disappointed because I'm wanting to get some of this before I come in here today. But with all that happening, he gets off and I'm talking to Sean still.

I'm like, Sean, like, what's going on? And I'm on the hot spot talking to him. Like, everything's fine. And he's like, man, I don't know. Even Sean's shaking his head at this point because he knows all the stories leading up to it. And he's like, man, he's like, I would say that this is BS. if I was in the outside, if it didn't happen to me too. He's like, it doesn't make sense that I'm getting,

that he can't hear me too, because my connect, everything's fine on my end. It's been fine. But he said, as soon as I got in, he couldn't hear me either. So he was already having technical issues, which was really, really weird. So I get out of there.

I go to Justin. I'm going to Justin. I'm going to let Justin pick it up because he, Jason got a hold of the people that ran the Airbnb because they're not there to find out what's going on. This is when we found out was four houses and a little more detail. Yeah, no, I just got a hold of them. And I mean, that's pretty much it is it's like they're like, well, we're not here. We have a house that are upstairs.

That poor girl. Because it's pitch black. There's strange men in the bottom part of the house screaming about Nephlin. I didn't know there was a girl upstairs. Earth's more thing. Oh, yeah. So I'm sure she was not having a good night. Well, and I'm screaming, too, like I do, because now I'm getting jacked again.

Oh, yeah. Told you, the Natholm, baby! Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I was like when everything shut down in here and we found out and you were, like, pissed off, and I was jumping up and down, it was the same thing. Yeah, I figured. Yeah. Justin's like, I just need to leave now. Pretty much.

But anyway, so I got a hold of them. They're like, we don't understand, you know. So I walked outside. It was literally house to the right, house to the left, and the house behind. And everybody else had power. And it was just getting weird. And then they stopped getting my messages. My phone was probably messed up.

But it was just weird. It was just instantly once you started talking about that, the power went out. And Jay, though, has a special thing at the same time. What happened at home? And given them my power went out at home in Ohio. Yeah. At what time? 8 o'clock is what I was told. Literally got a text saying at 8 o'clock.

Hey, power was out at the house. So I'm going to go back to the significance of 758 with Joel getting ready to go on with L.A. I went back and looked at my call log and the woman from Oregon that I was speaking with that had the ghost app open up and have a figure standing in front of her. that call ended at 7.58. Her text message to me that there was a figure standing in front of her came minutes after that. So in that 758 to 8 o'clock, Jay's got power shut down back in Ohio. The power shuts down on us right when I'm talking to him. Listen, we didn't say a word about Nephilim or PORO Babies or Greys or Meat Sacks at all.

Before then, we were talking about just very vanilla conversation. Hi, how are you? Yeah, laughing it up. It's when that happened. And then multitude of things happened on all fronts. And then somebody over 2,000 miles away has a ghost app that recognizes that there's some, you know, it's an app on a phone. Is it, is it legitimate technology? Who the hell knows?

But the weirdness of that happening at the same time. that power goes out while talking about the same things that we've been talking about forever with this whole, the whole reason we're here. And then Jay's got the same issue happen at 8 o'clock. And I roll in at 9.30 and you basically bring the attention to the fact that it took me 11 hours to make an 8-hour drive. Yeah, I was doing some math.

I was doing some math. Wait a sick. That's not add. So I didn't tell you guys what happened to me. me at 8 o'clock. Shut up. Nothing. But no,

things did happen to me at the house. So let's get into that. Do you want to get in that? Yeah, let's go. You and Christian, by the way.

Yeah, Christian, come on over here and steal, I guess, oh, at the Airbnb. Yeah. I thought you were going to say that something happened to you at the house, at your house. No, nothing happens to my house.

I'm like straight up protected. I'm untouchable, essentially. I believe that. So we're at the Airbnb and we're already settled in. We had some Bigfoot brownies. Normal Bigfoot brownies. Yeah, we made sure they weren't spiked. But we're chopping it up and having a good time

and getting to know each other because this is my first time actually in person meeting Crypted is the corn and Eric. And I don't remember how we got on the topic, but as it often does with me, when I'm in a group of friends, conversation turns deep, usually. It usually does.

And Eric, you brought up something, and you questioned something, and, you know, like, I could feel my, myself. I was like, you can, I mean, be honest. You can, you can talk about what it was. No, I don't remember. I don't remember how it came all together. You know, like, like you brought something up. It was, it was basically about me and my questions as far as, you know, your, your Christian belief and, and how steadfast you are. And we had reached the, the agreement that I believed in God and I believed in Christ. And, you know, my, my belief that my, my belief is the same as you are. You know, you know, my, my belief is the same as. You know, years, but you know, you went on to talk about how how the foundation was built and all that. I just didn't, I didn't remember how it all came up, but I could feel myself gearing up because what you were saying, I was like, like, I was like, I had strong opinions about

and it wasn't anything disrespectful. No, no, no, it's literally, it was a spirited conversation. Yeah, it's literally the foundation of the Christian faith. and people overcomplicate things. It's literally, are you Christian? Well, what is the qualifier to be a Christian? That you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, son of God. What does that entail?

And we went into it, right? But I could feel myself getting a little vamped up inside. I was like, okay, here we go. This can get long. And at that moment, out of the corner of my eye, left side, I saw well actually see this is where I have a hard time saying

this part because I just hindsight I just don't know because it happened all so fast but in the moment I felt what I know what I saw but I think I also felt something touched the back of my neck like sweep by the back of my neck and at that very same

moment I did see out of the core of my eye something white moving in the direction of my line of side, not out, and towards Eric. And then it was just instantaneous. Boom.

It wasn't like slow. It happened very fast. And I was like, what the, what the heck? He literally jumped. He was kind of in a slouched over position leaning against the arm of the couch.

And, you know, I mean, it was late. We were all tired. And you literally popped up. and you were rubbing your hand on your neck and you were like, what the hell was that? Yeah.

And so at that moment, you and I are having this conversation. Joel's drifting between our conversation. No, you were engaged in this conversation actually, Joel. But cryptid boys and Christian were having their own conversation in the same room. So there's two different loud conversations going. And I kind of popped up and I was like, what the heck? And you guys are having your conversation. and you acknowledge, but it was just like, eh, whatever,

because, like, in these, like, in these kind of moments and that kind of stuff happens, I tend to just be like, me, whatever. I had a freaking dog man walking in my house. And it was like, ready to go to bed, babe? Like, literally straight up, that's what happened. So, like, we, we carry on our conversation. And from there, it got very deep. That was, like, right when I was about to start ripping in, it got deep for hours.

But in that process, I don't remember how, I don't know how it all kind of came together for Christian and the cryptid boys. Because at some point, we're all in the same conversation. And I wasn't focused on you guys, but I do remember hearing Justin going, uh-huh, uh-huh. I'm like, oh, Justin's agreeing with my perspectives. That's cool, you know. But then we brought it up again. And that's when Christian chimed in. I said, you saw that too.

I saw it before you. There's that couch, that seat that was closest to the door when you come in. And it was pushed behind the back of the couch to where if I'm 45 degrees trying to keep an eye on both conversations, my left eye can see the space behind that couch. I know that in the corner of my left eye, I saw left to right something white. I told you it looked like it was the size of a golf ball. It was obviously lit and it just moves left to right. And it was too fast for me to see who went room to room.

If it was obviously somewhere past you, but you said something about seeing something. And I remember when I reacted at first. You were looking at me, but then we just never talked about it. So you went back to your conversation. I didn't know what happened. I saw you get up and I was like, oh, Tony doesn't like bugs. There's a bug on him. Yeah.

I don't know. That's true. Later, you were like, I don't know what I saw. And I point. I go, was it right there? And you said it was the exact same place that I saw. And then you said, was it white? I was like, yes, it was white.

Something just touched my hand. Really? and this is after I mean three weeks ago I literally like look to see if Jay had you know because they're all touchy feeling

I thought it felt like a finger like run across the sorry Christian I'm just so happy that Tony finally had an experience because Joel, you and I saw something in Kentucky.

Tony felt completely left out. We were just in Indiana together. We were just in Indiana, in Illinois, driving back at like midnight 1 o'clock. That's right. Yeah, yeah. We end up seeing this really bright white light that keeps flashing. From ground to sky. Not from the sky to ground.

There was a light that covered probably at least a half a mile from ground to sky beaming up. I kid you not. And that's going to be significant in the new podcast. Very significant. And we were in someone's trailer. And so there were three people. You don't have to know who they are. There were three people, a couple, and their friend.

In the middle of this interview, the friend's looking down this hallway. And he goes, am I crazy? Or do you guys have a shadow person in here? I'm like, okay, we've been talking about weird stuff all night. they're making themselves see things. But this couple, they go, oh yeah,

we had to rebuke something last Sunday. Like we got the oil out. We got the sage out. And that's weird. I've never had that happen in an interview. Still not fully believing it yet. A few minutes later,

you see this cartoonish-like hand. I think Devin, sorry, I think, I didn't know a thing, but I think, I think the couple's friend and I both saw this movement. And to me, also saw it out of the corner of my left eye,

looked exactly like a hand. And it was just 2D against the wall, gliding down like that. It wasn't scary. Wasn't freaky at all. I didn't know what I was seeing at the time. And then the friend goes, did you see that too? We get up with 9 vision cameras. Of course, Tony didn't see it.

And he's like begging to have an experience. So I am, I'm like a proud dad that he finally got. He talks to all these people with crazy stories and he finally gets to have some experience. It's not insane. I think there's a level of deafness that comes along with what I do just because I hear so many stories. So it's just like, I'm not sensitive to this kind of stuff in a sense that it's just like, I hear crazy stuff. So like, I just, I don't know. I just, I don't know.

I don't know what it's all about, but for sure that, that happened at the Airbnb. Whatever it was, Christian saw, and it went same direction, same location, and it went right towards E-Rock. And I don't know what that's about. I don't know if it went into you and you're possessed right now. I'm just kidding. I knew it. Give me that anointing oil again.

By the way, by the way, let the record show. I mean, we're not done totally yet, but let the record show that we did. So my good friend, Derek, give a shout out to Derek. He came down from New York to Tennessee with his family for vacation a few weeks back. And he came over here. And his dad's a pastor, and he's highly involved in the ministry there, Pentecostals, clearly after what I'm about to say.

and he walked around my entire office and anointed it, and annoyed the doorways, the equipment. And the one thing he forgot to anoint was the internet router. And literally, like that week doing an interview, I had like internet failure for that router. And he's like, we didn't annoy the router. And so, you know, I obviously had anoint the router. But today I took the same bottle he left with me.

And I annoyed the equipment today. And the way he explained to me, and I grew up Pentecostal, but I just didn't really understand that whole annoying stuff. I've been in church where anointing the oil on the forehead and all that stuff, right? But he's like, it's not, there's nothing special about the oil. He's like, it's more, it's like the act of just a faith. It's a physical representation. It's a physical thing of just saying, Lord, this, right here, protect this.

And so I was like, yeah, let's do it. And so I annoyed the doorways. I annoyed the equipment, even the computer out in the other room that I wasn't going to be using for this. It's like, I just annoying it all. And so I got the, and so far, everything's been working pretty cool, which is cool. Yeah, man, it actually, we rolled through this and were able to hit all the stuff that I wanted to hit for sure. And I'm really glad you guys are a part of this. It was really cool being able to get everybody involved leading up to this point.

And honestly, I don't think the work's done. And I think we're just getting started with where all this is going and what we're going to learn going forward. I'm, I feel like I'm just scratching the surface. And I do believe what you said, Tony, too, about being on the front lines. And certain people are geared for that. I know you're going to have a hard time believe in this, but I have questions. What? You?

I have questions. About what? Why the need to delay me? I don't know. Because when everything, when you boil it all down, something transpired that I couldn't get around. There's no good reason why I should have been as late as I was. Even if you take into the consideration five traffic stops at over. Time slip, Jay.

At over 20 minutes apiece. That's still. that still only accounts for half the time that I was late. There's still another roughly 90 minutes that really isn't accounted for. And I don't have any periods of time that I don't feel that I was present in what I was doing as far as driving or, you know, I mean, I was surprised when I was in Kentucky. I was like, oh, shit, how did that happen? And how did I get around the side of Indianapolis without relays? And I was beside Indianapolis.

And I could have just been zoned out driving, understood. But I, by that last, with an hour left to go, I honestly felt that there was something at play that was delaying my arrival. So here's the thing. And I don't know. what I say, just take it for just an immediate in the moment thought. I'm already here. I'm in Tennessee. My studio is in Tennessee.

I'm operating here. You guys are coming to me. And it seems like if something wanted to stop, it seems like I don't necessarily believe what I'm about to say totally, but if something wanted to stop you guys or stop this from happening, it would make sense that you guys would have these experiences. I'm already here. Right.

The gear is already here. Mike's already set up here. That said, the reason why I said what I just said about not necessarily believing at all is because I am really leaning towards this idea that this technology failure, I get a sense, and I could be wrong, but I get a sense that this isn't as much of something trying to pull the plug on our machines to stop us from talking as much as we're talking about something that's drawing attention from these things. And we might be by merely talking about it bringing their presence into our presence. And we know that people talk about, my batteries are

drained when these entities, these ghosts are coming in. My camera battery is full and all of a sudden it's drained. Well, what happened at the Airbnb? The lights go out, four houses around you. Not the whole block. Just four houses. It's like something came and drained the energy. You know?

And I just have this thought that maybe there's, it's more of I mean, maybe it's both. I don't know. I just had this feeling that like we shouldn't overlook the fact that a biblical term being a light on a hill right so like like what we're talking about maybe is turning on that lighter

in the middle of a dark room and in that dark room is a bunch of creepy crawly things and you turn on that light and they're everything they all just turn and look at you and they're like oh there you are and you know and I don't know I just um I don't want to I don't want to necessarily get boxed in with the idea that something is trying to stop this as much it may be but also it might be just we're attracting their presence by talking about it and i'm going to agree with you on the on the fact that i don't think i think this is a this is a pay attention this this isn't a let's shut it down this is a pay attention so i got to go back to something I said during Joel's monologue,

monologue, which is, are we dealing with something that is of the light? And they are trying to either stop us because we are not speaking correctly. If we are we putting something out there that is incorrect. Are we dealing with something of the light that is interrupting, us so that it draws attention to, hey, you need to listen to these guys because what they're saying is true. Or are we dealing with something on a negative side that is saying, we don't want this out? Given what I know.

Are we dealing with something on a negative side that is saying, let's draw attention to this because what they're saying is going to lead people away from what we're really doing. All that stuff is plausible. You know, I mean, again, I got questions and I'm not asking you to answer. For sure. These are the things I'm putting out because whoever's listening to this. If you're critical, it's their job to make up their own mind.

Yeah. And that's what we've said millions of times. It's the listener's job to hear the rhetoric nonsense that we're spewing for the last four hours. And you decide what you want to believe, if any of it. it's not my job to make you believe anything. That said, given what I know, not what I think, what I know, what he just said tonight, matches up with a lot of things that I know is true.

And so whether that's good or bad that he's talking about it, I don't know. I don't know. All I know is there's a lot of things that he said tonight. A lot of stuff actually I learned tonight, especially when he's talking about Enoch. When he's talking about glorifying the... When he's talking about Nephilim, armies,

other worlds, portal babies, baby. Uh-huh, uh-huh. This is, I'm telling you, telling you, there is a war going on. Right now, it is something that I think exists in time and outside of time.

It's happened. It's happening and it will happen. And there's a reason why these things are being built up. Because I think we're about to see the grand finale. It's about to get real nuts, real nuts. I really believe that. That's why I said earlier, I think we're on the front. lines. I don't know why I have the information I have. I don't know why Joel and I were brought together by Mark for his music. Shout out to Mark. But this stuff is just, I think you got to take that

one step further. And my last question, among all the ones that I have not gotten answered, is why this rag tag group of freaking goofballs? What's the significance of that? I've been asking that for six years, bro. Is there a significance to the people that are in this room? Or is it only a significance to the topic that we're talking about? I have no idea. Hey, David was pretty little and crappy when he rolled up on Goliath.

Okay, I'm 5'9, dude. I'm not that small. What? Oh, sorry. I thought somebody was taking a shot at me. Yeah. No. Read your Bible, bro.

No, I have no idea. Like, seriously, like, I mean, I've been asking this similar question in the vein for six years. Like, trucker turned podcaster, failed up most things I've ever tried in my life. And no idea why God told me that this was going to happen. before it happened. I don't know how all this happened. I have no idea. I just did stuff and it worked.

And that's why I believe that I didn't do anything. I think God built this. For whatever reason, I have no idea. And I'm just as dope that has a podcast that people, for whatever reason, like listening to. And here we are.

Here we are. Here we are. End scene. No, I'm just kidding. I mean, maybe we couldn't end there. I mean, here we are. But no, I just, I don't know, guys. To be honest with you, it's after midnight, and I'm really tired,

and I'm a really hard time focusing and talking. Jay's been falling asleep since we hit record. And so let's wrap it up, because this has gotten really long. And if people made this far, congratulations, before we get out of here. let's just do a roundtable real quick who we are, wherever they can find us, and then we'll wrap it up, okay?

Justin, go ahead. I'll start. I'm Tony Merkel, the Confessionals podcast. Every Tuesday we put out a show. Check it out if you want. Go ahead, Justin. Cripps the Corn podcast.

Put out a show every Monday, Wednesday. I guess they're all podcast platforms. Good. Eric Slogi, uncomfortable podcast. You can hear me anywhere you listen to the confessions, anywhere you listen to the cryptids of the corn, anywhere you listen to Kill the Mockingbirds, I'm freaking tired, dude.

I'm Joel Thomas. One half of Kill the Mockingbirds. You can find us on any platform. I also do music if you didn't already know that from Tony telling you earlier. You can find me at Joel Thomas on any platform as well. And you can just really find everything from the link tree. which is slash van Tesla music. Super easy.

All right, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. This has been a different type of episode. It's been all overplace. I know people are going to have more questions and answers, and trust me, we're in the same boat with you on that one. And until next week, stay safe, take care, and remember, the truth will set you free, but first it'll piss you off.

Bye.