The Confessionals - 49: Bigfoot On The Driveway

Episode Date: December 23, 2017

For Episode 49, we welcome Dustin to the show as he shares his bigfoot encounter when he saw one just off his driveway. He then shares other things that were happening on his property that he never understood until that day he locked eyes with a bigfoot.  Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionals Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

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There's actually a little video welcoming you from me to you. So I hope you guys check it out and enjoy the rewards that we're going to be offering. Now, tonight we have Dustin coming on, and Dustin has shared with me a very real Bigfoot encounter he has experienced on his parents' property. And it explains a lot once you find out everything else that was going on the property. When he saw that Bigfoot, he knew exactly what was. causing everything else. So without any further delay, let's bring on Dustin right after this. We work hard at being healthier.

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coming on, and Dustin is actually a YouTuber who contacted me. He has a YouTube channel called Crypto PTSD. And Dustin, how are you, man? Doing good. Thank you for having me on the show. Absolutely, man. When you contacted me, you told me it had some pretty good stories to share about some Bigfoot encounters. And then you mentioned that you had the YouTube channel, too. Tell us about the YouTube channel a little bit. Well, the name of the show is Crypto PTSD. And I started it after dealing.

I lived on the property with these creatures. But, of course, in the beginning, we thought there was large drunk people running around. So that's what led me to start my show. I learned that, you know, when people deal with these creatures, most of the time, they don't know what they're doing. dealing with when they actually see one and tell people, it's, it's not taken very well. So there's a lot of things that go into living on a property with it that gave me the idea for my show. Okay. When did the

show start? January of this year at the end of January. And we, we post our shows every Monday. Great. Well, I think that's awesome, man. It's similar to what we do here and other people do. I don't think there's enough out there to be honest. I know some people feel like, you know, there's too many, but I don't think there is because there are so many people out there that experience just crazy things, whether it's crypto, paranormal, UFO, whatever you want to say it is, there's so many people out there that have experienced things. Not one show could possibly interview everybody. And so I think it's great when these other people pop up. And when you told me you had the YouTube channel, I was like, definitely, definitely got to drop that. So I highly recommend everybody.

going and checking that out. Crypto PTSD on YouTube. And didn't you say you were on iTunes now too? Yes. Yep. Just got it up two weeks ago. Awesome. So are you going to be uploading every show from here on out on iTunes, including

YouTube as well? Yeah. So actually, whenever I uploaded on YouTube, it automatically pops up on iTunes. Now, I'll warn everyone when I started the show, it was a, it was a learning process. So you guys will be able to hear my growth from the first view and tell where I'm at now. But the show gets much better, I promise you. Well, you know, I think anybody who listens to this show, because I have a lot of people that listen to it from beginning to end now. So I think people would agree with you that that's just a natural thing for anybody just starting stuff because

with my show, you hear the total difference from the first episode to this episode. So yeah, it's just a natural thing. But I highly recommend people checking that out and stuff. So Dustin, I'm assuming that your encounters led to your fascination, which led to the YouTube channel and the podcasting. So why don't you walk us into what happened? What did you see? Okay. Well, I live in Minnesota. And like most people that end up seeing these creatures, I wasn't involved with the community.

I had seen Finding Bigfoot a few times. but of course that show leads you to believe, you know, the two biggest lies in the community, which is that these things are hard to find and that there's not very many of them. So, of course, being an outdoorsman, competitive shooter, spend a lot of time outside, hunting. I knew they were not in Missouri. Like I knew it because I spent so much time out there. It's like if it was out there, I would have seen something. So one night I'm driving home, driving down my driveway, and we look at.

live in the country. I was living at my stepdad's house at the time. And our driveway's about a quarter mile long and it's shaped like a J. And the house sits on on the curve of the J at the end of it. So if you make an L shape with your left hand, you're pointing your finger and thumb and you point your thumb up at the top of your finger, right there on top of your thumb is where the house is. And the house is shapes, like if you took three blocks and stacked them on top of each other, like a skyscraper, and the middle block, you put another block on the right. That's the shape of the house. So the bottom blocks, the garage, the middle block is the kitchen. The block above it is the bedrooms.

And then the block to the right of the kitchen is the living room. So I think it's important to explain because all these encounters happen here. so that way everybody can kind of get a picture of what I'm talking about. But this night, I was driving down the driveway, and where the driveway starts to curve, we have a path that jets off of it and leads into the east field. Every night I hang on the right side of the road, and I shine my lights down there because oftentimes there's deer or raccoons

or coyotes or whatever down there. And I see their eye shine, and I'll stop and I'll just watch them either until they run off or until I get tired of watching. watching them and I just pull up and go inside. Well, this night was no different. Did the same thing, except I saw something dart across the path. And what I saw dart across the path was it looked odd. It was very fast, very fluid. I just saw a glimpse of it, but the body looked thick. You know, like if a deer runs, you can see underneath the deer's body because they have skinny legs or relatively skinny legs compared to the rest of the body.

And this thing I couldn't see under it. But I thought it was a deer. So I come to a stop. And on the right side of the path, there's a semi-truck trailer. And then there's a tree, a little tree in between the path and the semi-truck trailer. Well, I saw something glinting over there. And so that, of course, gets my attention. And the first thing I think of is on the back of semi-trailers, you know,

they have this red and white reflective tape. I thought, you know, the first thought that came to my mind is maybe this had come loose and it's flapping in the wind. So I knew that was wrong, though. It's just the first thing that popped in my mind. This thing was, I could see it was two round circles. And it was what I later found out was the eyes. But it was turning and looking at me and looking across the path.

and it was standing and ducking and kind of weaving like left and right. Like the motion is very difficult to explain. It was very jerky, very fluid, almost like a bird, kind of how like a chicken moves its head. You know, it's very jerky but fluid. But this thing was going up and down, and I could see that it had a flat face as well. Like when a horse or a deer looks at you, you see two eyes when it turns its head you see one eye. Well, predators, their eyes are on the front of their face. So when they turn their head, you can see both eyes until boop, you can't see any, you know. And so I could see,

and this whole time, like my brain is trying to put together like the outline. Now I had my high beams on it, but it stops. And the whole encounter here lasted about seven seconds from when I first saw the eyes until it, it disappeared. But it was looking at me, looking across the path, you know, standing in ducking. Well, it was about midway and it stands. And it looks at me and it stands all the way up and it squares up to my truck. And it gets all the way up as high as it could go and then it just shrunk back down. It was a very odd motion because it was fluid.

but when it stood all the way up, I saw the outline for the first time of this thing. And this thing was huge. Its head was massive. It didn't come to a point. I did notice any cone to the head. I mean, no more than mine. It was a round head. And the shoulders on this thing were massive.

and the one thing, you know, from doing my show, I noticed people kind of grasp, you know, one or two details, and they just kind of latched on to that. The thing that I latched on to was if you take your hand and you put it on the outside of your arm where you would get a shot in the arm, you know, at the doctor's office, that muscle was massive and it was perfectly round like a basketball. Like I've seen, you know, When go to the gym, work out, you know, I've seen guys who have large muscles there, but they're not perfectly round. You know, they come up and then they kind of flatten out and then they tuck back into the body. You know, the muscle kind of lays back in.

The only time I've ever seen this is when you see a guy who's done so many steroids that his muscles almost look like they've been inflated with water or something. Yeah. It was like that. I mean, it was, it was so odd because it was. perfectly round. When I stayed like a basketball, like it was perfectly round. And at the bottom, where it came back to the arm, it even seemed to tuck up instead of laying in. That's kind of hard to explain. I hope the listeners can see what I'm talking about. But this thing was massive.

The eyes were about seven to eight inches apart, and that's from outside to outside. They look like hens eggs. I mean, they were probably at least two inches wide each eye. And the color of the eye shine, I'm not good describing color, but it's like a yellowish white that would deepen as it looked at me. So when it was turning and looking at me and turning and looking at me, the color would deepen as it would look at me. And it almost too like a orangey brown or just like a dark orange and it it was I'd never seen anything like that and the way that it was moving it was it's hard to describe it's like a imagining a small animal that's very twitchy but a thousand pound animal doing it you know this thing was at least 800 pounds I would say between

800 and 1,200 pounds, somewhere in there. I thought I saw a monster. I didn't know that it was a big flip. I never once thought Bigfoot. I thought that this thing was a monster. I mean, it was so big. This thing, it felt like it could have picked up my truck if it wanted to and throw it. When it shrunk down, it was odd because once it stood all the way up, it stopped for just a brief second, and then it shoot.

like shrunk down and like me as a person if i'm going to do that i can do it fluidly until my knees like my butt touches the back of my calf muscles then i have to lean forward and put my hands down and then get down so it's not fluid it's fluid then it stops and then i have to get down this thing now there was grass tall grass there and there was a couple pallets now it was the grass was probably three foot tall. It shrunk down and it never once stopped the movement. You know, it didn't, not like it had to get on its hands. And I'm not saying it disappeared.

I think it just shrunk down in the grass to where I couldn't see it. And it had to have gone to the right, which there's either underneath or behind the semi-trailer and crossed the fence. Because if it would have went left across the path, I would have seen it. That's some really interesting details that you shared for your encounter to your introduction to this whole thing. When you were talking about the lights and how they would, or the eyes and how they would intensify,

do you think that was something that it was intensifying the eye glow itself? Or do you think that was something to do with maybe your headlights hitting it? I think it was the angle that the light was hitting the eyes. I think it was it was almost like the same color except it would I mean the best word to describe is the color would deepen I don't think it was intentionally doing it because it was consistent you know as it would look at me and look away to look to its right to look across the path the color would light me and it was at its lightest color when it was looking away and it was at its deepest when it was looking at me so I believe it was the the angle that the light was hitting the eyes. Okay. I mean, I know, like, there's people out there that say the eyes shine. There's other people that say the eyes self-illuminate.

I've heard people say that the eyes shoot light out of them. I mean, I've heard it all, and I'm sure you have, too. So, you know, I always like trying to gauge what you actually saw as far as what you saw the eyes do. So it sounds like you're thinking it was more eyes shine, right? Yeah. And there's another encounter later. which we'll get into, but it kind of the same thing happened,

except it was different colors. And I have a theory on that. I'm a competitive shooter. So when it comes to high quality glass, you have to have it. I mean, I shoot thousand yard competitions, and we go well past that. So when you do that, you have to buy APO, APO-Cromatic lenses. And basically, I'll sum it up here. way light, when light reflects, it gets bent. And so like you have red, blue, and green. Red is the

widest wavelength at 650 microns. You know, a human hair is a thousand micron. So it's just over half the width. So they get bent the same degree, but because the, the wavelengths are different thicknesses. It, it bends in a different, basically it doesn't line up. That's why, I buy apochromatic lenses because it causes all the light to bend and cross at the same intersection. I know that's complicating, but I think it's the angle. And later, the eye color in a different encounter, me and my mom, who's staying there looking at this thing, we were arguing, you know, I'm saying it has blue. She's saying it has green.

And eventually I lean over and I can see, oh, it is green. Oh, I lean back and it's blue. And so I believe it's the angle that the, and I could be wrong, but I believe that it's the angle that the light is hitting the eyes. And when it was turning away, it was changing that angle. Yeah, that makes sense, actually. That makes a lot of sense. You know, I'm glad you were able to explain the technicalities because that definitely isn't my forte there. But so you were talking about you seeing the movements of it.

Now, what you said it would shrink down. Talk to me about the fluidity that you were talking about because, you know, there's a lot of people out there that have different perceptions as to what Bigfoot is. And, you know, we can go there, you know, if you'd like to. But as far as the way this thing moved, would you describe it as something that was paranormal? Or do you think it was just these things physically move more swiftly than what we can comprehend? The ladder of the two. I think that it is a physical creature, and I think they're built differently than us. And in that, I think they're able to do things that we can't do with our skeleton structure,

you know, our bone and muscle structures, when I say when it got as tall as it got and then it shrunk down, like if I turned on a conveyor belt, you know, it runs at one speed, that's what it did all the way down until I couldn't see it anymore behind the grass. So when I say it disappeared, it just, the odd thing was is how tall this thing was. And if I were to do that, I would have to, I couldn't do it in a, fluid motion. You know what I mean? Like my eyes would move down and then as soon as my legs bent as far as they could, I'd either have to fall backwards or I'd have to put my hands down and then

put my feet behind me and then kind of do a reverse push up and go down. So there would be a stopping point in my motion for a brief second while I did that and then I could continue going down. I think they're physical, but what I saw was odd enough to, you know, now looking back to take note of on how it shrunk down because I don't think, you know, let's say somehow, which there's no way that this was a costume because I don't think a human being can move this way, especially with a huge costume and stilts on, but let's say someone was in a costume and doing that. That right there would be a detail that I would be able to. to pick out because they could not do that.

Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. That makes a lot of sense. You said that you saw this thing dart across the path. Do you think this thing was hunting the deer, and that's why you saw it to begin with? I don't know, man. I thought a lot about it. And, you know, looking back, because after this, I didn't realize what was going on until about a year later.

and then all these things made sense. But one of the things is the dog, and I'll be able to go to this further later, but we had a dog for part of that time, and she would always look behind the shop. And she would bark at anything and everything. But when she would look behind the shop, like she would look at me and her ears would come up, and then she'd look over there and her ears would lay back. And if you want, I can just tell them. that quickly because yeah go for it explains so after this like i i worked at a sawmill and i graded

cut and stacked railroad ties and we worked 10 hour days four days on four days off like it that was a hard job so when i got home like i was filthy and of course my mom at the time when i lived my mom she she didn't want me sitting on the furniture so obviously i had to go and take a shower first well some days i was so exhausted that i just wanted to sit for a minute so i'll go to the back patio and I would sit and, you know, mess with my phone, watch videos, play games, whatever, and I would smoke cigarettes. Well, oftentimes it would get dark while I was sitting back there. And we used to not keep any of the lights on outside.

I would be sitting there, like literally just zoned into my game or whatever I was doing, and all of a sudden I would get this feeling like something's watching me. And so I would get up, I'd turn the light on my phone, and I'd look. over again the shape of the house. So the patio is the middle block on the right side, right? So to its left and to its right, there's corners and it's dark in there. And I would shine my light over there and it would always be pitch black while I go to the left, we can see nothing. Go over to the right. And that's where Shelby was tied up at. And she, this is when this would happen. She would have her head. She'd be laid down on the ground.

and her ears would be back. And she would be locked on to something behind the shop. And she would look at me and her ears would come up. And then she looked back over there and she'd lay her ears down. But she would never make a noise. And she would look at me and look back several times. And of course, this is something that after the fact I looked on and I'm like, because this happened frequently enough to where I stopped sitting outside

because it was creeping me out. But so I think now, I didn't see deer down. there, it absolutely could have been. What I have come, and I could be wrong, but the conclusion that I've come to is they were moving back behind the shop to either go over to the East Field or the woods or just back there to watch me. And that one bolted across, and the one that I spotted was instead of bolting with the other one, it decided to stop, but it didn't expect me to stop my vehicle.

and I think it was caught in between like, oh, crap, I don't know whether to go across the path or to duck down or to run behind me or to charge the vehicle. Like, it was like it was like it didn't know what to do. Like it was jerking around like, oh, I'm going to run across the path. No, I'm not. Oh, I'm going to go. You know what I mean? I don't know if that makes sense. But the only reason I stopped is because I saw that first one.

If I wouldn't have seen that one, I mean, I wouldn't have stopped. They could have been hunting the deer, but looking back and how the dog used to act and she used to stare behind the shop, I tend to think that they spent time back there because that happened a lot. It's interesting how you connect the dots after a while when you start looking into it and you actually spend time thinking about, you know? Yeah. People that don't do what we do and don't think about these kind of things and think we're just full of it and stuff, they wouldn't connect the dots that we connect. And if they, I really believe that if people that are, you know, skeptics, which is fine to be a skeptic about Bigfoot or whatever, UFOs, doesn't matter. You could be a skeptic.

I'm a skeptic about a lot of things. I just, you know, have a very open mind about stuff. If they would spend time actually considering what we are dishing out to them as possibilities, I really believe a lot of people will come through and be like, you know what? I may not totally be on the same level as you in belief, but I could definitely see. there's something going on there. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, absolutely.

And that's something, you know, in the beginning of my show that I tried to hammer hard because I personally believe that more people deal with Sasquatch, and I've got a perfect explanation later in the story, but more people deal with Sasquatch and the same people being the skeptics because it gets chocked up to, that was weird or that was odd or, huh, what happened there? and they took it away and they never think about it again. Now,

sometimes whenever somebody tells a story that's similar, it brings it back up to them and they're like, you know what? I've heard drunk guys yelling at each other in the woods, you know, and when it comes down to it, it very well could have been the speech that we all hear about, but these things get filed away,

especially people who live in the country. This whole time, we thought there was drunk people running around our people, property. You know, it's amazing how if you're ignorant to the subject, even though I knew about Bigfoot, I watched finding Bigfoot, I never connected the dots at the time because exactly what you're saying. I mean, it wasn't involved with my life. And now that it is, it's, I look back and I'm like, I am so stupid. There were so many things that happened that were just, we came up with crazy explanations that made no sense, but it's the only thing we could think of.

Right. Well, let's just take a break right now when we come back. We'll talk about the drunk guys that you mentioned earlier. Okay, we're back. And Dustin, you mentioned about the drunk guys. I don't think you talked about that. I know we talked about the pre-interview, but I don't think you talked about it yet for the audience. Would you want to go into, like, what brought that whole thing up as far as thinking you had drunk people on your property? Okay, so the the dog thing was happening. So here, after my sighting, I remember parking the truck and being scared to get out. And I always thought that, you know, whenever somebody said, oh, well, I had blocked out memories as a child or whatever.

To be honest, I thought that that was a load of crap. I thought that was an excuse because they didn't want to deal with whatever. I'm not saying that that's what I did. but after I pulled up. I don't know. I don't remember going inside. I don't know if I cried. I don't know if I sat there and shook.

I don't know if I just went to bed. I don't know because somehow I tucked it away and I did not think about it. So everything I'm about to tell you happened after my sighting and before I figured out what was going on. And it's amazing how stupid I was. But I thought I saw a monster that night. And I don't know how or why. I didn't think about it. But I didn't.

Especially when you hear all the stuff I'm about to tell you that was going on. But when it comes to the talking, so we were having people, what we thought were people, come up banging on the house. So we live in the country. Now there's a gravel road right at the beginning of our driveway that jets off of our driveway. And there's another gravel road that our driveway connects to. But we sit by ourselves alone. So at night, if anyone comes down there, they're up to no good. You know what I mean?

There's no reason it's a dead end. The road is our driveway. So we can hear like when you live in a house like that. somebody's driving down the driveway, you learn, even if I'm watching TV, I can hear someone because the gravel pops. I can hear someone coming down the driveway. So we were having people, or what we thought were people coming up and banging on the house. Okay. Every time I heard it was on the garage, we go running outside.

Of course, nothing, no one, no vehicles. And so we couldn't figure it out. There was a week, and I don't remember the tough thing is, is in the, until you realize what's going on, you don't really log these events as like extremely important things. So some of the finer details are kind of hard to remember. But after I figured out what was going on, like I started logging everything because I, you know, I knew I would be telling people. But this night, it was either five nights or seven nights in a row. This happened.

First night I wake up and it's not uncommon. for me to wake up at night. But I wake up and I'm just kind of groggy and I go to sleep. Now, my nephew was sleeping in the bed with me. And when he sleeps in bed with me, I'm much more alert. If I hear a sound like I'll wake up, but I just kind of roll over and go back to sleep. What is odd is for me to wake up and be completely wide awake and alert. To go from dead sleeping to all of a sudden I'm awake and it's like, what woke me up?

Like, what was it? So the first night, I wake up and I'm like, you know, trying to figure out what woke me up. And my stepbrother's room, so the bed is tucked in the corner of the room. The headboard touches the outside wall and then the side of the bed touches this wall, which shares, it's a shared wall between my room. And at the time, my stepbrother's room. He had a cat in there. He wasn't living there at the time, but his cat stayed there. I'm allergic.

My family's allergic to the cat. So my mom used to keep the window open and a fan up, which I hated that. I would always go in and shut it, but she would always go in and open it back up. So I wake up and I'm like, what woke me up? And then I hear the cat scurrying around in the room and the cat runs behind the bookshelf, which is on the wall that shares between my room and his room. And this cat started meowing. Now, this cat would literally meow for hours on end. Like, I'm not exaggerating.

Like, it would go two or three hours and meowing just constantly. And so I heard it scurry, ran behind, and it starts me me on, which is right there by my bed. And I'm like, oh, I hate this stupid cat. Like, that's what woke me up. The cat was messing around and whatever. Second night, same thing happens. I wake up and I hear it's silent and then I hear the cat just run across the road. room knocking stuff over, gets behind the book shelf, and is meowing. And I'm like, oh, like,

okay, I'm going to kill this cat. I hate this cat. Like, oh, I can't sleep. It won't shut up. The next night, same thing. I wake up and it's silent. And so this is the third night in a row. And I'm, it's weird. This is extremely unusual. It has never happened anywhere else throughout my entire life. Third night I wake up and it's dead silent. And so I'm listening and I'm thinking, what is that cat doing? Because I'm expecting the next two things that happen, the cat to run across the room, get behind the bookshelf and meow. And I hear a little pop. I hear the pop and then the cat runs and same thing, goes behind the bookshelf and starts meowing. Well, the pop I heard was like, you know when your house shifts at night, you hear a pop, but it's, it's muffled because it's got

weighed on it. Yeah. This, this was a very light pop. Like, you're something flicking or a small rock hitting something. So the next night, I wake up, same thing. And I'm laying there. And now I'm listening for the pop. Nothing's happened yet.

I'm listening for the pop. I hear the pop. The cat runs and meows. So it happened the next night or the night after. I'm not sure. But, I mean, I caught on to it and it happened for a few nights. So this next night, I wake up and I'm waiting for the whole thing, you know. And I'm laying there.

And when you're laying in pitch black and you're listening, I don't know if it's just me, but I leave my eyes open and I was staring at the ceiling, but I'm not focusing through my eyes. You know, I don't even know what I'm staring at because I'm just focusing on listening because I'm waiting for this pop. And I'm staring straight up at the ceiling and something on the other side of the wall, like if I would have held my fingertips up, like I was trying to touch the ceiling, I'm laying flat on my back. Something about that height spoke. And if I could see the sound, it would have crossed right in front of where I was looking. and this thing spoke and whatever it was, it was so deep that I had my door open to the hallway,

I could hear it rattle the hallway wall. And I mean, this thing, it didn't just speak, it exclaimed. And in the moment, of course, I don't know, but in the moment, it seemed like if you were about to touch something and I didn't want you to, I'd be like, no, don't do that. like it exclaimed. Like it was saying something real fast, but it was so powerful. Like it, it's hard to describe how deep this voice was. I jumped up because I got one of those beds where like if you slowly lean up, it's louder than if you just jump up and make one big noise.

Yeah, it's kind of like get it done with. Exactly. And of course I don't live there anymore. But that bed was like that. It sucked. I hated it because you could hear it. But anyways, I jump up. I grab my cell phone and, you know, like a brave man, first thing I did is I called my mommy.

But I called my mom and I'm sitting there and the phone's ringing. I'm thinking, oh, she's not going to answer because, you know, my adrenaline's going like a second feels like an hour, you know. And I'm like, oh, she's not going to answer. She's not going to. She picks up on the third ring and she goes, once you're going to answer. wrong and I'm like get my stepdad up tell him to get his gun and meet me in the hallway they're inside the house actually I think that's the first thing I said I said they're inside the house now I knew the sound did not come from inside the house but in that moment my thought

is protecting my nephew which he's like a son to me I I had him for he lived with me for a few years and now my mom's got him I love him like we he's more like a son So I'm very protective. And my thought was make sure they're not in the house. Like that's the first threat. I knew the sound was outside. But my threat was because I didn't want to get everybody running outside when somebody could be in the house and then go and hurt my mom or my nephew. So that's what I said.

Even though I knew the sound was not inside. I knew exactly it came from the other side of the wall directly on the other side of my head. But I said, they're in the house. house, tell my stepdad to get out and get his gun and meet me in the hallway and tell him not shoot me, I'll be staying in the doorway. So I hear her tell him, he gets up. I hear him get his gun, go to the door. And I'm like, hey, he says, hey, I'm like, yeah, don't shoot me. He's like, where are they? I said, I think they're outside. So we step out, we turn on the lights. You know, I can see nobody's in the living room or in the kitchen. And he's literally in his witty

tidies with a pistol, you know, and I'm like, you want to go get a flashlight? And he's like, yeah. So he runs back to his room. Well, I go ahead now that I know no one's in the house, you know, I go running outside. No one's out there, of course. He comes out. My mom gets my nephew. Me and my stepdad, we walk around the house and we're shining lights.

So we go in. My mom comes out my nephew. And we're thinking, okay, for somebody to come down here, they either had to hikes through the hauler, park on the road, or drive an ATB into a field, the field, and then walk across. So we're thinking, okay, no one's on the property. So they would have had to either run through the tall grass to get to their vehicle or run to an ATB and drive it out. So we drive through the fields, all the entry points.

We had no cattle out there at that time. So other than the deer path, you can see when somebody holds butt through a field with tall grass because it's, I mean, it lays down. It's easy to see. We even drive on the gravel roads all the way around to see it. Any vehicles, because there's no way if somebody was running on foot, that they could have made it through the woods and gotten to a vehicle by the time we got over there. And there was absolutely nothing. So, of course, my family, they know it was no joke.

I don't cry wolf. And they all knew that I heard something. And so they're asking, you know, what did you hear? I said, and at the time, it's the only thing I could think of. I said, it was a large drunk man. And they're like, well, why do you say that? I was like, his voice was so deep. Like, you guys don't understand.

It rattled off the hallway wall. Like, it was so deep. So I thought this is a big dude because, I mean, his voice just, I never heard anything like it before. And they're like, why do you think he's drunk? I'm like, because it sounded like English. but I couldn't make out what he said. And I'm like, it's like he exclaimed like he was, you know, telling someone else, because I was thinking, you know, there's two of them.

And at the time I thought, well, maybe that guy was trying to get in the car and this guy thought there was an alarm. So he called him, no, don't do that or whatever. But I thought he was large because of how deep it was drunk because it sounded like English. But I couldn't make out. It's like it was slurred almost. and man, I mean, it sounded like English. I just couldn't make out what he said.

And then later had another encounter, and my mom heard it speaking, and she backed up everything I said on that. But that's why we thought large drunk people were coming around the house, but it was weird. They didn't steal anything. They didn't break anything. They would bang on the wall, and they would come outside and talk. And I could not make sense of that because for a drunk man to come all the way out, like he would have to live close by and either walk down the gravel road to our driveway and then down our driveway or through the woods to come to our house just to talk outside. Like what's the point in that? So, of course, it was hard to swallow, but that's all we could come up with as impossibilities of what was going on.

when you heard that voice, did you smell anything? Because, you know, I hear a lot of people say about the smell with these things. Did you happen to smell anything when you heard that voice? No. And, I mean, it was directly on the other side of the wall. So just to the right of my bed, there was a window. It was not standing in front of the window. Like I know without shadow of a doubt, it was directly on the other side of the wall.

The window was closed. Now, looking back, I think they were coming up to the open window in the cat's room, and that's what was causing that chain of events. Why it was standing there? Only thing I can think is maybe they were listening for me to get up. I don't know if they were trying to get that cat out of the room. I don't know what they were doing, but I didn't smell anything, and I never smelled anything, nor has any of my family, that I could contribute to that. that. Like, we've smelled skunks, but a skunk is a skunk, you know. It's not what I've heard described those are. So, no, I didn't smell anything that night, and I never have. So this thing was on

the other side of the wall, not at the window. Am I hearing you right? Yes. The window was directly to the right. And this thing was 100% like within two feet of the top of my head, because I'm laying on my back, you have the wall. I mean, it was directly on the other side, because I even knew how high it was because of I was looking, and I mean, I could hear the wall vibrate when it spoke. Wow. So that's, I mean, that's some serious power to have the wall vibrate and everything when it speaks. Do you think that if it was at the window, you might have understood what it was saying and it was just muffled, or do you think it was just something like it was mimicking what, it's heard people do it sounded like a language i can say that but i don't know that's hard

because it's like it was extremely loud i mean it was it was exclaiming it wasn't just talking it was exclaiming but it wasn't yelling either but i no i don't think it was saying i i think that's what you're asking i don't think it was speaking english i don't think it was speaking english i don't think it was mimicking. What happened later, the second encounter, I know exactly what it said. I mean, it said the same thing all three times, which I've only heard one other encounter ever talk about that. But no, I don't think it was mimicking.

I think it was speaking, and the language just kind of sounds like English. You know, it's kind of structured the same, if that makes me sense. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, the very first time I ever heard of these things actually speaking was it was a Sasquatch Chronicles episode and he had a guy named, I think the guy's name was Corky from Ohio. I think that's his name. Anyways, I remember him saying that he had a dog and his dog's name was Cookie and he would hear something with a really low voice. Like, I guess, at the edge of his property, yell out to the dog go, cokey, like, kind of like he would. And the dog would look confused. Like, should I go? But you're standing right here.

Who is that, you know? And so, I mean, when I hear those kind of things, I don't know if these things are mimicking or if they're actually understanding what they're doing and they're actually talking to the dog. So with that in mind, why don't you walk us into what happened next as far as you hearing them actually say something. Okay, so there's, you know, after that point, the activity increased. The banging on the walls increased.

I had another encounter where one screamed at me. Well, I then had a gut pile stolen. Okay. So this is after that because after the gut pile was stolen, it was, if you want to jump to the other one, after the gut pile was stolen, I was, I was faced with something that now I could not tuck away. And I started researching. And I'm like, I remembered deciding that I had.

And I'm like, holy crap. How did I overlook all this? So I tell my family. And of course, my stepdad, he grew up on this property. His family, I believe his parents even grew up there. So he's lived there his entire life. And he's never seen anything, which I personally believe. you can't see what you're not looking for, just like motorcycles, whenever motorcycles get in a wreck with a car where not, you know, motorcycle falling over.

When a car hits a motorcycle, you know, why those accidents are caused is because the driver of the car is not looking for motorcycles. They're looking for cars. And so kind of the same thing. You know, I think these things hide in plain sight, but if you're not looking for it, you can't, you don't see it unless something like what happened to. to me happen and it's right there in front of you. So he's obviously skeptical. My mom, of course, I went through a change where I stopped hunting, stopped shooting, ended up having some other stuff happened, and my family knew something was wrong with me.

And so they, you know, there's a long journey there, but they've gotten to now they, they believe me and they know that I saw something, you know, it's still hard for them to swallow, but they know because my mom was there like on this night. So I had told my family, you know, of course, this is at the beginning of telling them, so they think I'm crazy. But one evening, okay, so you've got the bottom block, which is the garage,

the block that's right on top of it is the kitchen, and then the block to the right of that is the living room. So that gap there where if you were going to make a square where you would put another block, That is all darkness right there. And there's windows on both sides of the garage. To walk in our house, there's a doorway to walk into the garage. Then you walk through the garage, walking straight ahead.

And there's another doorway to go into the kitchen. That's, we don't, the front door never gets used. This is how everyone goes in and out of the house. It was hot. So my mom had the kitchen door open to the garage. I was warming up some noodles and I was talking on the phone to my dad. When I talk on the phone, I tend to pace and we have an island in the kitchen and I'm pacing laps around the island talking to my dad. So my noodles ding, I opened it up and I overcook them, which I was going to add V8 juice and warming up so I didn't want to overcook them.

So I was upset. So I pulled them out, add the V8 juice, I put it back in the microwave, shut it, and I continue warm. walking laps around the island in the kitchen. Again, the doorway to the garage is open. So I'm walking around and I walk around the corner of the island that's closest to the doorway there. And when I pass in front of it, I hear a man speak in the garage. But it sounded like it was just to left in front of his show car.

Well, it was odd because I didn't hear him come in because normally the precursor to him coming in and he slams the door, the outside door to the garage. And I didn't hear that. So I'm thinking in my head, you know, okay, he came in and he's on his phone and he's got to carry stuff in. So he didn't shut the door. That's why I didn't hear him come in. So like I said, it wasn't enough for me to stop because I had an easy explanation in my

head. So I finished the next lap around and I step in the doorway and I poke my head out and I look to left expecting to see my step. dad there talking on his phone. You know, after the one noise, I didn't hear any more, but I poked my head out as soon as my head made it through the door jam. This thing was standing. Now, I couldn't see it, but it was standing directly on the other side of the window and it spoke. And when it spoke, it hit me in the face. I felt it like as soon as it spoke, I dropped immediately to a fetal position. And I guess whenever you're scared, your body's natural reaction is to protect your head.

And so when I dropped, I made a fist and I put them up by my temples like I'm protecting my head. Now, I had the phone in my left hand, but I dropped to the ground because it wasn't so much the sound. It was I felt it hit me. And I got a jerk reaction because it, I mean, it scared me. I felt it. So I dropped down and I stand up and I'm looking at the window and I just back up and I slam the door shut. And my mom was about to put my nephew in the backup. And I'm like, Mom, it's outside talking. They're outside. Something's out there.

And she's like, oh, Dustin, you need to calm down. I'm like in a life or death moment, you know, and my mom's like trying to blow it off. And I'm like, put him in the other bathroom. And she's like, why? I'm like, and I shouldn't have done it, but I was like, do it now. And she's like, come on, Jace. And my nephew is like, he's like naked running around singing. Like, this is the situation.

Like, I know I just heard something twice and whatever it was right there. And I'm like ready, ready to fight for my life. And my mom and nephew are like, oh, you know, they're not taking it serious. Yeah. And so I'm like, put him in the other bathroom. So she takes him back there. I'm like, get the other gun. My gun was on top of the fridge.

I grabbed it. And she's like, no. So I go back there and I grab the other gun. I'm like, take this. And she's like, no, I'm not taking that. Would you hear? And so we walk in the kitchen and we're standing on the opposite side of the fridge. So we can't see that doorway.

And we're standing in the doorway. There's not a door there. But it's a doorway into the living room. We're standing right there. And she's like, what was it? So I'm like double fist in pistols, like freaking ramble. and I'm like trying to tell her what's going on and I'm trying to explain mom there's something out there to talk to you. I heard it. I heard it and my mom's not taking it serious. And this thing

moved. So where we're standing in the doorway on the other side of the fridge in the doorway to the living room straight back is the door to the patio and it's got a big oval window and it's the window is probably four foot tall, foot and a half to two foot. wide and we're talking and this thing moved to the back patio door now again we didn't keep the lights on i mean it's the back light was not on i would flip lights on and my stepdad always went and shut them off because you know he didn't want to run up the electric bill because he didn't believe he thought people were out there anyways this thing spoke right there and as soon as you did My mom's like, who is that?

Who's outside? So now, like, she's on my level because she heard the voice. And she's like, is that your, is that, you know, my stepdad is that your stepbrother? My stepbrother has a real deep, gravelly voice. And I'm like, well, if it is, you better call them because they're going to get shot. So in the kitchen, the windows face the driveway. It was nighttime. We would have seen a car come down.

Like, there's no way you can come down our driveway and us not. know you're there. No way. Not with a vehicle. Even if you shut the lights off, we can hear it. So she's like, she heard it. She's freaking out. So she calls my stepdad. He's at the grocery store in town. He drops the groceries. He runs to his truck, gets in, drives out there. My stepbrother was at his house, by the way. There was, there was no one out there. He gets home. He drives around. I come out with the light. I tell him what's going. on and my mom's like it's because with me you know he's thinking oh okay i've got a stepson with a mental problem or something like this is after i told them this is saskatch this what's going on anyways and my mom's like no i heard it he's he's telling the truth i was right there and so

then he goes back out looking again for vehicles and stuff and nothing's there but the crazy so i think about my sighting. Now, I think about all these other things, but the encounter by far I think about the most is this one, because the first time, the second time, and the third time it spoke. It said the exact same thing. And the weird thing is, is it said it all three times. Now, while me and my mom were staying in there, so after it spoke, I put my arm around her and we stepped back in front of the fridge where it could not see us. And I'm like, mom, you heard that. She's like, yes. You know, who is that? And so I'm like, what did you hear? She's like, what do you mean? There's, there's a man out there talking. And I'm like, no, what did it sound like? And she's like,

it sounded like a man with a deep voice. I'm like, no. What, how many? Because at this point, I'm trying to log everything in every detail. And I hadn't yet told her exactly what I heard the first two times. I just said I heard of me and talking. So I'm like, how many syllables was it? And she was like, it was two syllables. And I'm like, okay, what did they start with? And she's like, well, what do you mean? I'm like, what was the first letter of each syllable? And she's like, a D. And I'm like, yes, that is exactly the same thing it said the first two times. And what it said was either drob drew or droop droop. But it said the same thing. And, and, you know, and it said the same thing. the first time, this is what's weird.

The first time was the shortest. The last time was the longest. Like it said, it's slower. And I've thought about that a lot. And I think, okay, you know, start my show and people hear in my encounter. I've had people contact me and, you know, they say, oh, well, I speak Bigfoot language. Well, first of all, if that's true, I'm going to ask you some questions and you better be able to hold up because to me, that's hard to swallow. Right. Second of all, I've had other people tell me, well, it was saying its name. It was introducing itself or it was saying they wanted food, you know. If it was saying its name, it saw my reaction the second time when I stuck my head through the door jam and looked. It saw me because I did it right there in the door jam. I dropped down, I mean, it saw that it scared me 100%. And this thing, I couldn't see it because it's pitch black out there.

But it 100% I think the first time when it spoke, it saw me walk in front of the doorway. And then when I loop back around and poke my head through, it spoke again. And the third time, it could have spoke outside the wall. It could have yelled. It moved to the only other place because the window right next to there has blinds. The only other place that it could see us in where we were standing. and it spoke the last time. So I'm thinking, okay, if I'm the Bigfoot and I'm trying to make friends with so long,

because I've had people telling me, oh, they're just trying to be friendly. And I do something that scares the person. I'm going to back off and change my approach. I'm not going to continue to do it. So that leads me to believe that's either aggression or they just enjoy scaring you because it watched me every time it spoke and it saw that it scared me. And then the second time, it saw me standing there with two pistols in my hand. And it still did it.

That encounter is so fascinating and so frustrating because I have so many questions. I've tried to think of every possible scenario and it's just hard to pin one down. Yeah. Now, I mean, you said, help me to remember what you just said. You said that it was either trying to scare you or it was being aggressive, right? Yes. Now, to me, I think that's one and the same. You know, what I picture here is something outside probably trying to scare you.

And I think that's an act of aggression. Whether it's, you know, thinking it's funny and it's funny and it's funny and entertaining, scaring you, it's still aggressive. And I think that personally, this is only my personal opinion, I've never seen anything. I just am fascinated with the stories. I've heard a lot of them. I've talked to a lot of people who have seen them. And what I think is, one, I think these things are a lot more intelligent than some people want to give them credit for. And I think in general, these things don't really want to be bothered. But I think there's some kind of, there's some of these things that, I don't know if they're just bored or if they're if they're kind of like rogue bigfoot's but they go against

the norm of what most these things are and it sounds to me like that's kind of like what was going on at your place like banging on the house talking into the house like it was trying to pester you guys and just be a jerk is that kind of how you feel about it or what yes and you know i've had people say well i look back and some of the stuff you know in the time I felt like it was aggression and now looking back I took it that way but maybe it wasn't but there's another time where it did almost the same thing except that was outside and it saw that it scared me and it did it again and I tend to think you know hearing people come on my show and talk about habituation and all that you know I think that's a bad idea but I mean to each

his own whatever but I think how where does this be behavior come from. Okay. So is this behavior that just is geared towards human beings? No, I don't think that. So I tend to think that this is how they treat each other as in dominant males and younger males. They intimidate them. They put them in their place. There's a pecking order. And so they do stuff either, you know, beat on them or chase them off or whatever. So I tend to think that this behavior can't just be geared towards humans. It has to already be there. And I could be wrong. But, you know, like a dog, a dog, it lives in your house or was born in your house, was raised in your house.

It still sniffs people's butts. And it does that with dogs and it does it with people. So kind of the same thing. This behavior, I've thought a lot about this one, the whole encounter, but especially just this one thing. thing. And I tend to think maybe this is how they treat other Bigfoot. And so it coming to us, we of course think that they only do it to us. But I'm maybe thinking that maybe this is an insight to their pecking order and the structure of how their family groups, if they live in family groups work. That's very interesting. I mean, it really does make sense with what you just said.

Let's just take a break right now. And when we come back, I want to ask you. you a question about something you said earlier, okay? Okay, that's fine. All right, we're right back. Okay, so earlier you, I can't remember at what story you said this, but you said after that activity increased, do you, do you have any idea what kind of triggered the whole activity increasing around the property? I think it was us running outside every time something happened with flashlight.

I think they liked that. I think they like this this sixth sinister game of hide and seek. You know, it's almost like if I was going to play high and go seek with a four-year-old, I'm going to, you know, if they're walking down the hallway, I'm going to step in an obvious place where I know they're not going to look because it's a child. So I'm smarter, I'm faster, and I know the child's not going to look. So I can hide in places that if I was, let's say, being chased by someone, that wanted to kill me.

I would never hide in these types of places. So all I'm trying to say there is, we're the four-year-old and they're the adult. And so to them, it's a game because they know they're faster, they're more athletic. I mean, I think their athletic ability, we can't even comprehend. And I think that's why some of the paranormal stuff gets stuck on them because they are just absolutely amazing, I'm jumping, running, crawling. all those things. But I think it's a sick game of high and go seek.

And when you come out flashing your guns and lights, it's almost like, okay, you guys ready to play? I'm going to go bang on the house and let's do this. Boom. Okay, we come outside. And I think that that is what increased it because after, I mean, we would go outside with the banging, but when it spoke that first time, was the first time we all, my mom, my stepdad, me and my nephew was sleeping, my mom was sold them, we all went outside. And I think

they liked that reaction. And so they wanted to get that reaction more and more. Yeah, I mean, that absolutely makes sense. I mean, the mischievousness of these things is something that I always kind of lean towards. It's kind of like that question, why the Bigfoot crossed the road. And for me, it's really, it only comes down to, they've got to be looking for entertainment for themselves because these things, they're not stupid. They just can't be stupid. And they know what cars are. They know the car is going to come down the road. They see it coming and it will pass. It's not going to stop. So why would you not wait until it passes in order to cross the road? You know what I mean? And the only thing I could think is that they're looking for the attention. They're looking

for the attention. And it's just, it's crazy to think about how these things operate, what makes them tick. But I mean, just you're, I think you're absolutely right, man. I mean, just seeing the reaction that you guys gave it, just kind of encouraged it to do it more. And who knows, you only ever saw one at a time, but you don't know how many were out there. You know, it could have been some weird game. Well, except for the first, I mean, the one that ran across the path and then the other one that I sat there and watched, that was the only time that I know of two being on the property. But I do think that there was more.

but that's just other than that one shiting, the rest of them is just speculation because of the what they did. But yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, well, I mean, speaking of the speculation and stuff, I mean, I wanted you to kind of backtrack a little bit because you mentioned it earlier and I know you covered in the email and I found it interesting. So why don't you tell us the story of the gut pile? We'll title it that, the gut pile. Okay. So the gut pile was the pivotal point in all. this. The gut pile, first of all, I had another witness there with me, and he can back up everything I'm saying. But for the first time, you know, all these other things, now the talking

where me and my mom heard it, this was after the gut pile. Everything else was before. So we're still in this state of large drunk people running around our property. That's the only way we could explain it. It was deer season. My cousin, he's hunted, but he's never went out by himself, so he wanted to tag along with me so I could kind of show him things. It was late in the evening. It was literally like an hour before dark, and we were decided to go at the last minute. So we're throwing all our clothes, get all their clothes on, walk out the door, and we're walking to the ride in the shop, you know, walking down. our driveway, then we're walking to that path that goes by the semi-trailer and leads into the

east field. So we're walking, and, you know, I'm telling them, you know, hey, look for horizontal lines, deer, you know, their back's horizontal movement. That's another thing you want to keep an eye out for, like trying to, like, give them some pointers because I know we're not going to see nothing because it's almost dark. And so we're walking by the semi-trailer, and he's like, Literally, maybe we've been walking for two minutes, pops, not even, still in our yard. He goes, is that a deer running across that field over there? And I'm like, what? And I look up and it's a buck.

It was windy. And so I grunted, it didn't hear me. I grunted louder, didn't hear me. And so I just yelled because it was so windy and it was like 130 yards away. And it stops. And I pull up and I shoot it. Now, I'm going to be very detailed. So I'm going to warn your listeners because it's very important, but I'm going to be very detailed and it may be gross.

Some people, because I'm going to talk about guttint. So warning you now. But I shot it. It did what's called a mule kick, and that means you hit it in the heart. All hunters look for that. Ran up to the first fence, got drunk like it was going to fall over. I guess it's adrenaline pump, started kicking in. It jumped the fence.

It was going to the next hauler. I shot it again just to put it down because I didn't want to go down in the hauler because I knew it was a dead deer so we didn't have to drag it up. We go over there, get it. We drag it to where the driveway just starts the curve, okay? Go inside, get my family, and they're like, was that you who shot? I'm like, yeah, I've got a big buck. And they're like, no, because I literally just walked outside. And I'm like, yeah, come on.

I want to show Jace. Come on, Mom, stepdad. I'll go out. I put jace on it. We're taking pictures and photos. And so they're done looking at it. And it's getting dark right now as we speak. Like it's almost dark already.

And they're walking inside and I'm asked my stepdad. I'm like, hey, where do you want me to gut this thing? He said, take it down there behind the semi-trailer in the corner and the tall grass right there in the corner of the fence and gut it there. I'm like, okay, me and Jordan drag it over there. And I knew I hit it in the heart. So I knew the chest cavity was going to be full of blood. And you have a diaphragm which separates your esophagus, your lungs, and your heart from the rest of your gut.

So your spleen, your liver, small intestine, large intestine, all the other stuff. The diaphragm is a tissue that separates that. So I pull the guts out. I made sure not to cut the diaphragm because I didn't want to get blood. I mean, the guts are clean inside the body unless you shoot it and it bleeds internally. So I pull the guts out and then I wanted the heart. So I cut the diaphragm, which was literally completely full of blood, pull the lungs and stuff out. I get the heart.

And I'm like, Jordan, I want to get a sharper knife. I want to put this heart up because it's my favorite part of the meat. Don't knock it until you've tried it. But I'm like, let's go inside, get a sharper knife, and pull a VE. vehicles down here because it was dark. I'm like, so we can see. It's like, okay. So I put the deer right next to the gut pile and I flip it chest down to drain the blood out. We walk inside. I throw the heart in a bowl, dump salt in there, filled it full of water, grabbed a sharper knife. I grabbed my keys. He grabbed his keys. We got in his, my truck, his car. And when we walked and left

the deer, there is a gate. I shut the gate because I remember him looking at me and I'm like, I know it's dumb, but I don't want anyone stealing my deer, which would be impossible because they would have to drive down our driveway and there's just no way. But I shut the gate. So this deer is now closed in in a box of four or five wire bobwire fence all the way around it and that gate. So there's no one who can drive a vehicle in there without us seeing it. go in, get the stuff. We get in our vehicles, drive back down, jump out, open up the gate, go down, and the deer is in the corner. It's in a square, okay?

The deer is in the top right corner. So the path curves to the left right there by it. So we pointed our vehicles right next to the path where the headlights would hit. And we couldn't see the deer where he was. So we walked over, we grabbed the deer, and we drug them over to where. we could, he was in the lights. So I cut a part off the deer. I handed to my cousin and I'm like, hey, go throw this in the gut pile. He's like, okay. He walks over there and, you know, the deer was just starting to get a little stiff. You know, rig and mortis was kind of starting to set in and I'm trying to bust the pelt this here because there's a part that, anyways, the leg keeps flopping over. So I'm like standing on one leg, holding the other leg. And I'm like standing on one leg, holding the other leg. and trying to chop this. And I'm like, I look up and I need Jordan's help and he's just standing there.

And I'm like, hey, man, you want some alone time with that thing? Like what? Like, it was the male part of the deer. I cut off and handed to him. So I'm like, you want to take that home? Like, what are you doing? Because he's just staying there. And he's like, Dustin, where's the gut pile?

And I'm thinking, you moron. Like, I'm like, dude, it's right over there. It's the only pile of guts over there. So to explain the area here, this is dead yellow grass. So in the winter, you know, during the summer, the grass stands up high and tall during the winter. It dies. It's yellow and it falls over. It's almost the white color.

It's like a pale yellow. And it falls over to where it looks like a bunch of humps, almost like the waves in the ocean, you know. And so the grass is beat down. And, you know, seeing blood on grass. like that dead yellow grass is like throwing white paint on a black wall like it just stands out and I'm thinking what the heck dude it's right there and he's like Dustin it's gone and I'm like what and I get up and I'm frustrated like I'm thinking you idiot like and I stomp over there and I get over there and the gut pile is gone now I flipped the deer over to drain the blood out of it and the blood

puddle, like the deer was right there by it. The blood puddle had run up and was, you could see where it was running around the edges of the gut pile. And now that the, in like a crescent moon shape, now the gut pile was gone and it was filling in where the gut pile was gone. And he's like, Dustin, what could do that? And I'm like, uh, uh, uh, uh, dude, I, I don't know, dude. Just, just, just help me load up this deer and let's go. And he's like, Dustin, what did that? I'm like, I don't know. It was, I don't know. He's like, he wouldn't leave it alone.

I'm like, dude, it was coyotes, which I'll go into why that's impossible in a minute. But so I didn't want to freak him out. And I knew something weird had happened. Through the deer in the back, drive over to my uncle's, he helps me hanging up. Then I drive back. And I'm thinking, okay. So people, they would have taken my deer. Okay, the deer, it's the biggest buck in my life.

They would have stolen the deer. If they didn't, they wouldn't have stolen the stomach and the intestines, you know, they may have taken the liver, but humans don't touch the gut pile. They would have taken the deer. So I'm like, okay, coyotes. If you've ever seen a coyote kill, it's like a 25-yard area that's covered with shreds and bits and blood and gore because how dogs teeth are. front teeth are for holding back teeth are for chewing in order for a dog they don't have hands or silverware in order for a dog to bite something they have to bite it and they have to shake their head or put their paw on it and press and so they whip things to pieces and one coyote could not have eaten that gut pile i had to have taken a pack and so it would have been drug all over and there would have been evidence everywhere

So I'm thinking, whatever did this, I'm going to see on the dead yellow grass, the blood and where I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, there's a fence all the way around this and the gate was closed. So something, if, let's say, a mountain line did it, they would have had to drug it up to the fence, cross the fence, whether it went over or under, and then they would have had to drag it under. and I'm like, that's where I'm going to find my evidence. Okay. So I get back. I get a mag light. I remember it was my stepdad's mag light. And I did a circle around the gut pile.

I took one step out, did another circle. One step out did another circle. And I did that until I crossed the fence and then some, like at least 10 yards, past the fence all the way around. And Tony, there's. There was not a single drop of blood. There was not a drag mark. There was not a piece of anything. And if me and you, without a wheelbarrow or a vehicle, we're going to carry off that gut pile,

I mean, just research how long the intestines and the deer are. Like there's no way. We would be dragging pieces behind us, even though we're carrying it together. And now this blood pile was covered with blood and the lungs were in. there and the lungs were in the chest cavity which was full of blood so this gut pile now has blood all over it and so i'm like okay black bears there's been one siding in this area like 50 years ago i've never seen anything to lead me believe i've never seen any sign they're not here mount lions yes a mount lion drag stuff away there was absolutely no evidence of it and a mountain lion

could not have we were gone no longer than 10 minutes and that's accounting a minute to walk in the house and a minute to walk back so that means eight minutes this thing had to have eaten where we drove our vehicles back but this thing had to have eaten it in that period of time and not left a trace of anything so this is where like everything came rushing back and i finally i'm like holy crap this is this is what I saw everything like like all this information came rushing to my head and so I was faced with something that I could not talk away anymore because and so I go back to St. Louis and I start researching big foot you know stealing deer stealing gut piles and I find all these people that have the same things but my thing is I'm like how did that thing

carry this off because I don't believe it ate it there. I believe it had to have carried it off because it would have been, if it ate it there, it would have been pulling and breaking pieces and the puddle wouldn't have been the way it was. So I'm like, how did it get it, you know, that far over the fence because that's right behind the semi-trailer. Okay.

The woods and the hauler start just over the fence, probably, I don't know, 40 yards, something like that. down and I didn't go all the way of woodline because if you think how much time that takes to do circles like that as far as I did I thought I made more than enough of an effort so I started thinking how did this thing carry this thing and it had to have lifted it over too because there was no evidence of it dragging underneath anywhere but I'm like how did it keep it from dripping blood And so now this is, I probably figure this out a year after this happened because I thought about this a lot. And I thought if you take a marble cutting board and you dump blood on it or a liquid on it, what happens?

It goes, shoof, it immediately runs off. Now, if you take a piece of shag carpet and you put it on that cutting board and you dump blood on it, It's going to run off, but it's going to slow down the process because it's getting soaked up and it's working its way through the carpet before it lets its first drip. So this is just my personal opinion. But I think that this thing, this shows the intelligence or I think it does. I think that this thing knew it did not want to leave on the dead yellow grass any sign. So I think that it was one big foot. and it picked this thing up and it like leaned back and carried it like almost on its chest or its stomach.

So the blood would run onto it and have to run down its body and soak into its hair. And eventually the blood would be dripping off of it, but it gave it enough time to make it into the woods before that happened. Just my personal opinion, I've thought about it a lot. and that's the only thing that I can think of why I didn't see any blood because it stands out on yellow grass like that. Yeah, I mean, it definitely makes sense if that happened. I mean, did you ever notice any footprints around the property, especially that night when you were searching through the grass? Did you ever see anything that would suggest that there were tracks? Never saw anything.

And I've never seen a footprint on this property. Tree structures, yeah, I found footprint in another area, but I've never seen them leave a footprint anywhere on this property. So with that in mind, do you have any ideas as to why that would be? Do you think that they're just that cautious on how they leave their tracks, or do you think maybe they even cover them up? I've heard many different theories. So this property, the only way you're going to see tracks is if it's rained a lot and

it steps and it sucks down in the mud. There's a lot of grass, like I said, in the field surrounding it before you get to a woodline, he leases it now for cattle. And as he was growing up, they had cattle. So it's real tall, real thick grass. And in the winter like this, it folds over. But I've never seen any footprints. I tend to think they're very cautious.

on where they leave them. And I even tend to think sometimes intentionally they may leave them, but I've never seen one anywhere. So I don't know. I think they're just very cautious about where they lay their feet in high-risk areas. I think they're less cautious, deep in the woods or, you know, in thick brush where they know people aren't going to go. You know, I think they'll step in a mud puddle then or sandbank.

but I think in a high-risk area, they're extremely cautious where they put their feet. Now, when they take the gut pile away, do you ever wonder why? Because I do, why would they not take the deer with the, you know, meat on it and stuff? I mean, I don't know if it's just a me thing, but I would prefer the deer meat or the guts. Yeah, well, so like with, I thought the same thing, you know, which humans and them, it's, I've looked into it on guts and the nutrition. So a pack of wolves, interesting fact here, a pack of wolves, you know, they have a pecking order just like lions. The more dominant ones, eat first.

So in a pack of worlds, the alpha dog eats first. Reason why is they eat the liver. The liver is the most nutritious bite for bite on anything on that animal. And just like packs of dogs, I mean, I think that they eat the liver, maybe the spleen, maybe even the stomach contents. I don't know. Yes, it makes me wonder. And the only thing I can come up with is maybe they knew if I took that, they took that deer that me and my cousin are going to go in the woods looking for it. Yeah.

No, I absolutely. I mean, that's kind of like what I was going to follow up with anyways is that the idea that, you know, you take the deer, somebody's going to go looking for that because, you know, even, I mean, obviously you might think Sasquatch, but just any old hunter out there, you take their deer, they're going to go find that jackass that took the deer because, you know, you spend all day waiting for that deer to cross your path. You're not just going to let somebody else take it. So, I mean, that's definitely something that I was thinking as well. So before we started the show, you and I were talking and your career is very detail oriented. And has that helped you at all

with your research into this topic? Yes. Yes, it has. And I'm not a researcher. You know, I just, uh, I, I do go out sometimes, but I wouldn't call myself a researcher. But when it comes to getting inside their mind, or what I believe is getting inside their mind, it has opened my eyes to a lot of things such as human beings are very habitual creatures. You may not realize it, but you do almost the same things every day. You stop at almost the same gas stations. Now, this is outside of taking a trip. You know, in your town, you go to the same places. You tend to eat at the same places, take the same ways to work and back. So we're very habitual. And these creatures, I believe, sit and watch us constantly and they learn these habits and in these habits is where they find

the flaws you know people always tell me well just like with the first time the one spoke it was directly on the other side of my bed now i think that because of what i do is the only reason i came up with i think it was standing there to monitor me getting out of bed you know i think when they do stuff, they do it as a team. And the amount that they sit and watch people, you know, finding the areas that they do it, you know, especially when it comes to my job, there are certain areas where that are great and certain areas that you want to avoid. And without doing that, I probably wouldn't have found these little positions or, like I said,

kind of been able to try to think through their eyes and see, okay, well, here's a situation, here's what the guest is telling me, and absolutely could be right. But when I add my own speculation, so I, yes, I think it has helped. Now, of course, it's all speculation because I don't know I wasn't there. But I think it's given me a special insight. So when it comes to my show and I ask the questions, I think that I think it helps a lot with that. Yeah, absolutely. Well, listen, I, I, really appreciate you coming on and talking with your encounters and stuff because it's fascinating and it's clear that you spent a lot of time thinking about the details of what you've experienced.

And you did a great job just drawing that picture out for the audience. And before we get out of here, I want you to just kind of revisit your YouTube channel. How can people get a hold of you, your email, all that stuff? Well, you can find my show on YouTube or iTunes. And I just learn when you have your show on iTunes, it goes to a lot of other podcatcher. But you can always find it on YouTube or iTunes. It's called Crypto PTSD. And if you want to get in contact with me or you have an encounter, you can email me at CryptopstD at gmail.com, all lowercase, no spacing.

And put encounter in the subject line, if you would. And we do more than just Bigfoot. probably 85% of my shows are Bigfoot encounters, but I do dog man, UFO, paranormal, all of it. So come on over, hit a subscribe button, and let me know what you think of the show. Yeah, absolutely. And if you want, go to the Confessionalspodcast.com where this show is posted, and I will link one or two of your videos there. That way people can kind of get a taste of it right there, and they can actually just click

the video, take it right to your channel, things like that. So check it out on the website. All the information will be there. And Dustin, I really appreciate you coming on tonight, man. Thanks for having me on, Tony. I enjoyed it. You got it, man. I'll talk to you. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And remember, we have the Patreon page up and running. That's patreon.com backslash the confessionals. P-A-T-R-E-O-N-com, backslash the confessionals. Any of those rewards would be great for you to sign up. Anything that interests you, even just the $1 a month club, would help us out a ton. So anything you sign up for would be greatly appreciated if you're a fan of the show and you want to help support the show. Now you know

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