The Confessionals - 492: Underground Base and Hadron Collider of Illinois

Episode Date: November 8, 2022

In Episode 492: Underground Base and Hadron Collider of Illinois, we are joined by the boys from Cryptids Of The Corn, Justin and Jay. They were originally in town to visit me in the studio with Joel from Kill The Mockingbirds and Erick from uNcomfortable podcasts for the recording of our Nephilim Portal Babies episode. Justin and Jay were the only ones of the bunch who had never been featured on The Confessionals so we wanted to give them the spotlight for a couple of hours!Justin begins talking about a man he worked with who had discovered a secret underground facility deep under the O'Hare International Airport in Chicago. We discuss the possibilities of what this facility could be and why it is located in Chicago. Later Justin shares his experience discovering a hadron collider in Illinois as a wildlife biologist. What started out as a routine day of testing for “nerd stuff” in a local creek ended with armed men surrounding him and his team as they entered a location that doesn't exist on Google Maps, but houses a secret hadron collider. We wrap up the conversation by discussing Justin's family property and how they were tormented by bigfoot for nearly two years.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!GET Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5GET ExpressVPN: www.expressvpn.com/confessCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube: https://bit.ly/3yH4kvGApple Music: https://apple.co/3nDfsU1Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3nErEUIAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

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just look at the news around you and stuff. It's no longer a thing where you're a weirdo for preparing for emergencies. So just go ahead and do it, whether it's through Prepare with the Confessionals.com or your local grocery store with lots of rice and beans. Either way it works, just make sure you and your family are good to go. And that as the PSA from the confessional. So today we got a great, interesting conversation of two in-studio guests. We have Cryptids of the Corn in studio here today, and they're going to be sharing a lot of weird stories that they've had personally gone through. And I just want to say that these guys are here because we're about to, after this recording, go into a very deep recording that has a lot

of tentacles that Joel from Van Tesla has been throwing our way. The reason why everybody is here this weekend, because it's just not them. It's Joel, and there's another podcast, or we'll say that for a surprise later in a coming episode, maybe. But who am I kidding? It's going to be Eric from uncomfortable podcast. All the guys are here because we've all had experiences with Joel from Van Tesla and his theory that he shares on podcast. And every time he goes on somebody's podcast to share this theory, things go berserk. Technology fails. And we're going to talk about all that stuff on the other show and we're going deep on it. So, but before we get that recording, I wanted to sit down with you guys and have you guys talk about some of these experiences you've had and share with the

audience and let the audience know who you are. So per tradition, when I bring people on the podcast, I let them share who you are, where you're from, where people can find you. And so, Jay, if you want, go ahead and take those reins. Who are you? What is cryptids of the corn? Well, we are a podcast that covers anything from Sasquatch to all other sort of cryptids. And then we dive into some paranormal. We get into personal experiences.

We have that people have. They want to share with us. But most of all, it's a lot of Justin here, my partner in crime, I'd say. Yeah. And his wealth of knowledge of information about these sort of subjects and his own personal experiences. And then I come from a whole different angle of where I don't have much experience in this stuff at all, but it's, it's his interest and knowledge that just drives my brain crazy. And I get

to thinking, because I'm a, I think I'm a logical kind of thinker kind of guy. And I really like digging into this stuff. And he piques my interest. You and me are not going to fit in very well with each other. Logical thinking is, it escapes me. No, I'm just kidding. Well, and then logical thinking doesn't have to be any, like, doesn't have to be straightforward. It can be pair, like, it can be different. I'm a sucker for the fantastical. Like, I love fantastic stories. I love stories. That's why we have the show because I just really enjoy a good freaking story, you know? I just, people are like, yeah, I don't know. Like, listen, that was a freaking, freaking awesome story, you know? And that's the thing with the way I built the show. It's just like, I'm not telling people what to believe. I'm just saying,

hey, this person experienced something. I talk to them. I really believe they had this experience. It's up to you, though, to decide what you want to personally believe. I just love stories. So like the confession is like story time, you know? I love it. With you guys, it seems like you guys, well, Jay, you just described Justin here. And just over the last, since last night, sitting down with you guys, Justin, you seem like you're very, and this is weird because I would feel weird if somebody said this to me, you know? Like, people say weird things to me. Like, I'm like, ah, you know, don't say that, you know. But I'm just going to say it for you.

You strike me as somebody that has a very high IQ. You, and you said earlier that you have two, I think you said two learning disabilities. And I was actually irritated. with you because I feel like I have learning disabilities and I don't feel like I'm as smart as you and I'm just like freak man how'd you do that you know how'd you get so smart you know you trade it out for not being able to spell

I got you well I still can't spell so but um no so how did cryptids of the corn come together so I was at work I work at a bowling alley bartending and Justin's a frequent customer every week we like the drink and so he shows up one day and he just calls me over. He's like, do you believe in Bigfoot? Yeah, I believe in Bigfoot. He's probably

like the third person that night has gotten this. Yeah, so he drives me over there and I'm all into this like, yeah, like let's talk about it. So he starts sharing stuff and we form this group together where we have a Hardin County Bigfoot Society where we, he wanted to develop a thing where we can go out in excursions and take people out in excursions and try to have an experience with them. And I was all on board for that. And then he also, I have the idea. Well, let's talk about it too. Let's start a podcast.

If you can't tell Justin's, well, you soon find out Justin's a talker. Yeah. It's a very good talker. So I'm all in. And I think I'm a very good listener. So it's a good dynamic that way. Yeah. So that's how it naturally just started.

So we went down, did our first ever excursion down in Hockman Hills. And then we scared a possum. Yep, we scared a possum. And then we had one microphone and one recording device. And there was three of us at the time. Well, you did it in the woods? Oh, no. After.

Oh, I was going to say, hold on the fact. So we went on our little excursion. We just kind of walked through the woods and just looked at stuff, you know, just first time. Or, you know. For a second there, I thought I almost had a hard, a podcaster heart attack. I was like, don't tell me your first episode was you out in nature. Like, that is like an audio nightmare. I was like, holy crap.

It still is an audio nightmare. Yes. There's a $50 Amazon set. Oh, well, that does that. Well, we could go into that. That, the quality of equipment, everybody has their own starting line. I didn't start with these. SM7Bs, you know what I mean? Like I started with a microphone. It was an M-A-Odio Nova that I had from college

that was sitting, collecting dust into the basement. That's what I used, you know what I mean? When I first started, um, but, uh, I did have a guy when I first started podcasting, I called him for the interview. And I hear this, like these trucks going, room, jim, I'm like, no, no, no, what? That wasn't it. That wasn't actually. It started out with crunch, crunch, crunch. I'm like, what do you, like, are you walking on chips or something? He's like, no, I'm walking through the forest. I thought I'd be out in nature to tell you this story so it creates this environment. I was like, no, man. Like, I need it quiet. Like I need so people can hear you and say, oh, let me find a quiet spot. So he calls me back and he's sitting outside of gas station on the side of the road.

And you hear vehicles going, roon, real. And I'm just like, oh, dear Lord. Go back to the woods. Yeah. And then he, I think this is the same guy that told me a story. It was the first time in my podcasting that he told me a story that I was just like, I don't believe you. Like I don't, and like, I'm somebody who believes the world's really crazy, really bizarre, and I don't personally understand how crazy it is. Therefore, I'm not the arbiter of truth. But he was the first person, I was like, oh, you just lied to me. Like, I literally, you said things that contradict other things to the point that one of those two things is not true.

and then I didn't know how to cut it off though and so I just let it do his thing I just never aired it. You just got to let it go. Good decision. It's very uncomfortable though. I was just like, huh, you know, but back then I had time to waste.

Now if I caught somebody in line me, I was like, okay, hey, it was really good talking to you. You got to go though. I don't got time to waste. Hearing, you know, something that I know is a lie, you know. But anyways, sorry, that took me off course here. We do that all the time. So you're saying you didn't record in the woods.

great. Where you're a Hawking Hills, go. At his buddy's house. So we were sitting all over this one microphone, all three of us huddled over one, recorded our first episode. And then just like you were saying, with the cars going by, I think our first probably 20 episodes. We had to do it my apartment living room. And right on Main Street of our towns.

Gotcha. So every now and then you'd hear engine brakes. Oh, yeah, all the time. So that's how we started, and it's just slowly we've paid attention to like little things like that, just gotten better, better. And we met so many people throughout this process that have stories to share that people you know your whole life almost that never shares in the coolest part yeah and just people open up to you and you know you

kind of become a what like a comfort kind of vessel for people just to open up with their experiences and it's a great feeling i think for both of us i mean people have known all our lives that i had a big foot encounter they had a big foot encounter we never knew about each other and then they you know through this they came and shared their stories with us and stuff like that So it's amazing because we'd never, they die. Those stories would die with those people. Yeah. And it's our locals, you know, it's just, that's probably the best part of anything we've done.

So you're getting ingrained into the local community with the weird. Is that what you're saying? Oh, gosh. Yes. That's cool. Oh, yeah. They're coming out. I work at a hospital now, and I'm the bigfoot guy in the hospital.

Uh-huh. So people will come all the way down from all over the hospital. They're like, what do you think of this picture? So when I started, I was in the Philly area. So this stuff, not on anybody's race. are. And so I was like just alone, you know, very lonely. But I've seen people like you, the Holo Sky podcast guys, they had this happen where like the local community starts recognizing you. And that's just got to be cool. Like I've never had that experience, but like

being a podcast, especially in the beginning, like you're looking like you're motivated because you want to do something and you're having fun. But there's got to be like another level of motivation that comes up when all of a sudden you feel like you're becoming somebody within your community. That's a topic that isn't being tapped yet. Like it's not like, you know, oh yeah, I'm the local orthodontist, you know, it's just like, no, I'm the local podcaster that people recognize me for talking about weird things and they come up and me like, hey, like, I hear you talk about this and I need to tell you something. So our first cover art that we ever did is Harry in the cornfield is our big foot.

that was told to us by a guy that does not believe in Bigfoot. Really? So this is a local farmer to our area. He's a really big guy in our community. He comes up and he's like, you believe in all that Bigfoot crap? And I'm like, well, you know, I'm like, yeah, you know, I do. And he's like, that's not real. And then I'm like, okay, you know, I don't ever argue.

It's everybody's opinions. I wouldn't believe if I didn't have my own experience. Yeah. and he's like but I did see something weird once so they were harvesting corn at night late season they run the combines all night

they have the lights on he's like in it we are in a college town so it's not weird college kids like to go out in the cornfield to do college kid things what's that

I'm kidding no need to go into it there's probably kids listening so he's not he's used to people getting up and running out of the field and stuff like that

it's not as weird as they seem he's like but this year this guy stood up and took off and he could see his shoulders and his head above the corn running through the field.

He's like, the corn that year was seven foot tall. So he, and I'm like, you don't think that was a big foot tall? He's like, no, no, no. I'm like,

so I guess it was Shack or somebody out there. Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, so I think people who, maybe,

maybe don't grow up in rural areas or they just don't stop. Like you're seeing it from the car and you're like, oh, there's corn. That stuff is like tall, tall, tall, tall.

So on a bad year, A bad year, seven feet. Yeah. A good year, you know, we've had 10 feet corn in our area, 10 foot tall corn. So what was his thought behind it? Oh, it was done. He walked away. I think he was...

What do you mean it was done? He walked away. He was done talking about it. He just wanted to share that experience. You wanted to blur it to somebody. Oh, that's like, okay, I gotcha. So he just needed to come out of the closet with it. I think he was crazy. Yeah.

And he was just done with it. Yeah. When you come from a really... We're from a really small community. And, you know, when you come from the... that you don't want to be known as like that crazy person. Yeah, but you still need to get it off the chest. Oh, absolutely.

Wow, that's interesting. So you guys getting ingrained in the community with all this stuff, like you said you're from a small community. Yeah. Like how small are we talking about? Ada's 5,000 people. Okay. That's when college is in session.

When college is in session and without college, it's about 25. What town is this? Ada, Ohio. Ada, Ohio. Was that Ada Community College or something like that? No, it's Ohio Northern University. It's an Ivy League. Okay, got you.

It's a really big college. Gotcha. And we're the little thing attached to it. Yep, I gotcha. I, I, I, I, I, I reigned from a part, big chunk of my childhood was Kutstown, Pennsylvania, which there was Kutstown University. And the school is in session. There's a lot of people in town. When there's not, there's like 3,000, you know.

So, I totally get it. Now, with that, though, with that, that picture in my head now with, you know, 5,000 people, it's not a big town. What, what's the ratio? here as far as like people that are maybe recognizing you. Is this something that's becoming very frequent as far as maybe not even recognizing, but it's just like, hey, I heard you guys were from this area. I got a story for you. Like is this becoming something where it's like almost you could do several episodes a year from your area? Because like, oh yeah. Okay, because like I'm coming from where I came in Pennsylvania, I mean, I'd be lucky if I had one person a year reach out to me within the

Philadelphia area with experiences. I just assumed nobody. ever listened to my show in the Philly area. Now, we definitely, it happens to me a lot of the hospitals, stuff, which is the town next to us. But yeah, we could definitely do, we have done several episodes on just from literally eight Ohio, people from eight Ohio have come up and talk. And I've worked at a bowling, like I said earlier,

bartending, people just will come up at the bar and talk to me about, just ask me questions and stuff. And it's fun, but it's really fun. Yeah, that's cool. I mean, like, you're already part of the community as the bartender and stuff. Like, that's your job. Your job is to pour drinks, hold conversation, you know?

And so that's kind of cool. That's cool. So, all right. So that's kind of like how the show comes together. You probably said this, but I don't remember. So I'm going to ask you. How did you two meet again? So we've just always kind of known each other.

It was at the bullying either, right? Yeah. We're near the same age, but. And our grandpals were really good friends and stuff like that. So which was a weird coincidence. Gotcha. So you guys decided to start the podcast. and you start going.

And you're having the podcast, it's growing, it's doing its thing. But coming to the table of the podcast game, Justin had a lot of different bizarre things. Oh, yeah. He had the goods. Yeah, definitely from what I'm hearing, has the goods. So what I want to do, and this first story I'm going to open up with, I'm just going to lay out words. You know where I want to go with it, and you just go. Okay, and we have a conversation to see what happens.

Chicago, tell me about Jimmy Wu. Okay, so I was a fishery biologist. I did fishery surveys and stuff like that. Basically, we used fish data to check water quality. It's cheaper than doing chemical test. So even Steve, an area needs chemical testing. They'd have us go in first and make sure that there was a problem, even pay the extra money to go through.

We were a third man company, or like a third man party. So we were paid by both people. So it really didn't matter what the results came out to us. Because somebody's going to be on the wrong end of a lawsuit most of the time. So Jimmy Wu is a friend because we all signed NDAs for certain stuff. So he did stuff on the Chicago airport, you know, the international airport. There's tons of waterways that run through there. and they're crystal clear,

but not a lot of fish in him. So as he was going up the stream, up the river in the airports, they were seeing these giant, well, they were seeing these culverts, these capped culverts, they were entering the river

inside the Chicago airport stream. All right, so pause for a second. Yeah. Caped culverts entering the river. So basically, anything from like the smallest one they seen was a foot and the biggest one was probably eight to ten feet.

You were talking like a two? Yeah, a concrete tube and they would come in a couple feet into the bottom of the river. So it was like either a project wasn't finished or something down there needed access to a lot of fresh water

very fast. But the variety of, I've been all over, he's been all over, the variety of sizes of pipe like that, it doesn't happen in that kind of stacking.

Like normally a culvert, that line of work is, you check, culverts a lot. None of those culverts were on his map, which was weird right there. And they didn't seem to be doing anything. They weren't open. They were, you know, completely capped off like they could be opened. And there was a ton of them going the whole length through under all the airfields going, you know, towards the airport, you know, under all the runways and stuff like that. And this is Chicago airport? Yes. And as far as Jimmy told me, that's, you know,

but it's just it's like for that much space to be missing under the runways because they go you know the culverts have to go

distance it wouldn't make sense just to them to go 10 feet into the bank and not go anywhere because some of these like I said

he's seen some of these culverts that were 10 feet wide you know me and you could hold hands and stretch out and probably not

touch the sides of these things and they're in the bottom so they were placed there before the airport was built

I imagine you know he didn't know I don't know but they are massive and they are everywhere and they're almost like in a giant grid pattern so it's like there's a lot of space how many would you say he thought there was

over 40 of the big ones and how like confined of a space are we talking about so I think he did probably about a little over half a mile of river and they were kind of take turns going on each side of the river. And then there'd be the little ones intermediate. Well, the little ones, he said, didn't seem to have any rhyme or reason a lot of the time. But the big ones are pretty much,

there'd be a big one here on the right hand side. And then, you know, 20 feet, there'd be on the one on the left hand side and like that. But they stretch out in every direction, going towards, you know, even like to where you, I can't think of the name right now, like where you go to actually get on the plane and stuff like that, the terminals, the terminals. It's very peculiar. Now, something I experienced with that same airport was on the outside of the fence. So they have signal jammers. So the big part of our job is with GPS.

We use GPS coordinates that are very, very small. Because for our surveys to be accurate over years of periods, we need to do the exact same spot each time. So if you're not doing the exact same spot, let's see if you go 20 feet downstream, that's a completely different habitat. So you're going to get a different score for that. rover. So that's not good data. So we'd use these GPS signals. These signal jammers would,

first off, your cell phones were done. But it would mess with our GPS. And they shouldn't be able to do that. Or normally they wouldn't be able. And they expected us and Jimmy and everybody do their job accurately without the technology we used to do our job. So a lot of the stuff in the airport it was guesswork that they did. So with what you just said, what are your assumptions and conclusions as to this whole story he told you? And before you actually say that, why hasn't anybody else been talking about this?

Is it a secluded area? Because when you say Chicago, you automatically think like, people are crawling everywhere. So the Chicago airport's on the northern end, well, roughly. But the area around it is very high-end housing. This is not when you think of like downtown Chicago and there's hundreds of thousands of people or like Juliet or something.

This is, you know, a very high-end area, you know, half-million dollar homes, stuff like that, all around Roseville's the town right next to it and their water towers in the shape of a giant rose. Wow. Got fancy on that one. Yeah. The area has a lot of money. So extra cachet. Yeah. And you, the airport is an international airport, so it obviously has tons of security.

And the only reason he could see that stuff is because they were doing a water survey and they were literally standing in a boat over top of an area. And they were probably the only people to ever stand in that river section in a boat on top of them, looking straight down. Oh, okay. Now I think I'm picturing this better. So this was like this was seen in the water. Yeah, they're on the bottom of the river. I got you. So now, because I, so when Christian is being a live producer here in the studio, so everybody listening right now, Christian, yell hi.

There we go. So I don't know if that got picked up because I got the noise gates pretty strong on these mics. But when Christian and I and Joel, who's in the next room, we all went to Kentucky. We were walking through the woods and we found these giant metal tubes going down. into the ground, right? And at first, at first glance, we're looking at, we're like, holy crap, what is this here for? And so when you were talking about this stuff, that's what I'm thinking, like, I'm thinking

when you said going into the river, I'm like thinking going from the bank into the river. So you're saying- They're on the bottom of the river, going into the ground. The only way you can see these things is they were standing in a boat in the river looking down. Wow. So he was probably one of three people that have ever had that experience, they don't let them do those surveys very often.

Because it's, you know, it's an airport. There's a lot of security anyways. To even get into that site for them was very difficult and they made it, they made it a big pain, hoping most of the places that they would do and we would do surveys in, they didn't want us there. They'd make it as big a pain as possible. Yeah. So it keeps canceling and stuff like that.

So eventually most of the environmental agencies will just forget about it. This one, they couldn't let go because of certain reasons. Wow. Okay. All right, so let's go to the why. The what and why. It's a very wealthy area. So once again, this is Jimmy's story, but I think there's a lot of empty space.

There's a lot of space under the airport that is unaccounted for. Under the airport? Yeah, that's where these culverts were going was under the airport, from the river into the airport. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tracking. So you have a lot of empty space under the Chicago airport. that is unaccounted for. No planning maps. So Jimmy had the entire sewer system map. That's what for their work, they needed that. None of this is there. Oh, we know what this is. You know what this is. You say it, I'm thinking it. I'm thinking it's the underground bunk. It's the underground base. It's just, it's, it's massive. All right. So I'm not thinking that. What are you thinking? I'm thinking it's a bunch of rich people with bunkers. Yeah. Like, so yeah. Okay. I'm not like, maybe. Maybe.

Maybe. For emergencies for international airport. I wasn't thinking about more governmental. So here's the thing. I got a friend of mine who used to, I believe he ran SWAT. And at one point, he had to escort somebody to the underground tunnel system in the Denver airport. And he was met by military police that took the person he was escorting further down. Everybody that lives around there is extremely wealthy. What? Chicago or Denver? No, the area around the Chicago airport. Gotcha. Every survey I personally did in the area around, they treated us like garbage. They hated us because we were there checking the water quality. When I did all the work in Chicago, I worked Chicago pretty much four years in a row. All the rich people hated us for trying to check on water quality and all the poor people loved us because they thought it was awesome.

Somebody cared about them. About them. Yeah, for once. You know, so it was like when we went to the poor neighborhoods and you know, Chicago is rough. No, I never heard that. So we're going with all this, like, we look like Ghostbusters. I'll show you a picture after this or give you a picture to post. Because you look like Ghostbusters, where are the waiters, and we have this thing that you don't understand what it is.

And they were always, they'd watch us, they were all so excited to the poorer areas. And they're rich people treated like garbage. But this area of Chicago is the rich of the rich. So I think it's a bug out spot in case stuff goes down. They got plenty of room and very clean, fresh water. pool from. It's a constant flowing source above the city. So if something happens in the city, your water source isn't

running through all that. So the water source would be away from any kind of maybe nuclear type. Or just any like even burn pollution and stuff like that. Containment. Yeah, any kind of contaminants. It's above most of that. So your water system

will need less purification. Gotcha. I mean, it'd be like, so you're not drinking out of the sanitary shipping canal, which is not sanitary. So, yeah, as a biologist, right? Yeah. Okay. So as a biologist, maybe you could answer this, and maybe not, I don't know.

So let's just say, as a biologist, when it comes to this whole underground base thing, so let's just say Jimmy saw these whatever they were under the water, right? Big tubes. And we're saying that there's. underground facilities there for the rich and powerful type people, right? We got the source of water, but what about food? So as a biologist, do you have any ideas on how easy or hard it would be to kind of grow a massive amount of food underground? So my other degree was an agricultural technology.

Perfect. I don't even know that. It's like I gave you a layup. No, it wouldn't be hard, especially with fresh water would be your biggest thing, especially, let's say, apocalyptic stuff, you know, fresh water is the thing you need the most to make anything happen. It's also really cold.

It's some of the coldest water in Chicago is running through there. So it would be really easy to have a small power plant under there too, because you need cool water to keep it cool. But it does warm up downstream, and that's kind of one thing that they were talking about and stuff

that it's odd that it was cool there and warmer than we'd expect to see further downstream. So the warmth meaning... Normally, like, when I would personally work around power plants and stuff like that, that's what you see. Because it sucks in the cool water from the river, warms it up because it's cool in itself and spits it back out. So you think that that warm water is being spit out from something? It could be.

It could vary. One of those culverts that he's seen could have an intake that you really can't see. And it could be sucking in and pushing out on a different one. Okay. So. But hydroponics would be very easy to do down there too, especially with how large some of the culverts were. It wouldn't be hard. Yeah, and I mean, like, my wife is actually currently prepping our basement to grow food this winter inside, you know?

So, like, I know it's possible, but as somebody who started trying to grow my own food this year, I suck at it. So I'm just like, I have a very bad gauge as to, is it possible to go underground? Because, like, I'm trying to grow in my backyard. And I'm just like, come on to me, plant, do what you're supposed to do. You know, it's just like, come on, buddy, get up. You know, it's just like, it's so bad. But hopefully I do better next year. I think I know what I did wrong this year.

But so as a biologist, as an agricultural... Basically, I just had a degree in ag, like ag technologies. So how many degrees do you have? Two. Two. Yeah. Both bachelors, master's what? So they're a cumulative bachelors.

Basically, I just did all a bunch of biology on the first one. And then I'm just like, I'm so close to getting something in biology. I'll just keep going. Gotcha. Okay. with that said, I personally have this perception of science-y smart guys like yourself that you wouldn't pay mind to such things as what we're just discussing. Is that the case for most people like you? Are you an exception or are you just hypothesizing but you really don't

believe what you just said? So like I said, I want to make it very clear, I've never been on the Chicago airport. That was all Jimmy. So, I'm a hypothetical. on what he's seen. Yeah. But I mean, I mean the growing, the food under the ground for a rich civilization of people. I believe there's something there, whether it's capability. So you do believe there's something there. Yeah, 100%. I believe him.

There's something there. But it does have the capabilities of being a lot of different things, though. It's just, all I know is that it's massive. And it's not on any map that he's seen that he should have had access to. because they were literally doing surveys that involved that area. So you'd expect if you want a crew that's poking around down there to have an accurate map. Gotcha. That's interesting.

Okay. What do you think about this, Jay? I mean, I tend to agree with what he thinks about there being an underground bunker city, possible future civilization, you know, growing there. But I like the power plant idea. I really think that might be some sort of, whether it's nuclear power plant or something like that, I think maybe something like that's going on, which could be powering who knows what. And that's where there's another mystery because then what do they need all this extra power for

and why do they need to keep it hidden off the actual grid if that is the case, you know? Yeah. Hypothesizing. Yeah. That's what we do. We just think out loud. Right. Yeah.

And we know that we're going to have arrows thrown out of us for thinking out loud without having definite conclusions on topics. But it's fun. Yes. So that's an interesting story. Jimmy saw something underneath that water that I was, I was assuming that it was something going into the water from the surface, but seeing it under the water, that just kind of like, wow, that's interesting. That's really interesting.

I'd be interested to hear if anybody else ever has seen or heard of anything going on as far as like underground stuff out that way. That's interesting. So that's Chicago, Jimmy Wu. I keep wanting to say Jimmy Woohoo because that's fighting the way. For our first sponsor today, we have SimplySafe. Listen, if you have been thinking about doing the whole home security system, now is literally the time to do it.

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small hospital. They had that smell, that distinct smell that I just could never get past. Like, I almost missed my kid's birth because I didn't

want to be in there. But yeah, so I, so I basically, I was a fisheries technician, which is, it's like a field biologist. It's hard to explain to somebody that's like,

not in the field. Yeah. So I just say biologist because it's the easiest word for people to understand. Sure. My actual title was Fisheries Technician,

which means field biologist. I was the guy, I didn't do a lot of the lab work or if any of it, which I'm happy for. I'd rather be, out doing it stuff, you know. For sure. That actually, uh, that fits you for what you're doing right now with everything that you do now. It makes sense you'd want to be out there and just kind of

in the environment doing things. But like you asked earlier, if I was the anomaly for my, the field I was in, yeah, uh, I would talk about it in the lab and stuff like that when we'd see all the people. So our whole facility was fairly large, like maybe 30 employees, which is pretty big for a bio, you know, bio environmental service company. Most time it's like five or six people and they never see each other. One of our lab guys, I went in, we were talking about Bigfoot in the shop, and he heard us, he was a caloritian.

So what they do is they go into an environment and they decide how many calories can support how many animals in that environment from the top down. So how many black bears that all the frog population can support. Like a big thing in Michigan, people don't realize most of protein black bears eat is amphibians.

They're not hunting down deer. They're not, you know, killing salmon. They do eat those food products, but that's a very rare in frequency. They're mostly eating small protein sources to get the make up for that. It's a lot easier to catch 50 frogs and is to catch an adult deer.

Yeah. So he came in and he heard us talking about Bigfoot and he's just like, you know, he was again with one of the guys, you know, that's just bull crap. There's nothing real with Bigfoot. And he just kind of, and then he walked away.

I thought that was the end of it. Then like two or three weeks later, I shared this with Eric, he loved it, but two or three weeks later, he throws me a piece of paper. And I'm like, well, what's this? He's like, Bigfoot was real. And they are roughly two times the size of a black bear.

And they're feeding them on a similar diet. This is how many of them can survive on the North American continent. And the low end was 5,000. The high end was 35,000. But he put it right in the middle at 15,000. It was his magic number. And he's like, if they were real. That's a lot.

Yeah. But think about trying to find 15,000 African elephants on the North American continent. For sure. Yeah. But with that, it's a lot in the sense of, let's just, and you said North America or United States? North American continent. North America. So Canada.

Part of Central America. So let's just, and he said 15,000. He said, conservatively, that's the number. So you said Canada and North, in the United States, we're not counting Latin America, right? Just a little bit of Central America, the actual continental part. So let's take it down to, let's just say 5,000 in the United States. to 5,000 divided by 52 per state, not even 52. Let's take out Hawaii.

Right. You know, wait, 52, 50. 52 days in a year, Tony, come on, get it right. But so 49 states, you know, that's still a lot per state. And so it makes sense in the sense that people say they see things, but then we don't really have the ability to just go out and find things. You know what I mean? I know big cat biologists that they have a tag cat and they can't find it. They have a tracker on this mountain lion that's pinging and they cannot find this mountain lion.

How's that possible? Because they're really good at hiding and they don't want you to find them. Wow. Because last time you found it, you tranked it and put a collar on. Fool me once. Shame on me. Fool me twice. You're not going to fool me again. So even if you say they're just as smart as a big cat or a little smarter. You know, we all have opinions on how intelligent Sasquatch is. But let's say they're the same level as a big cat. And they really don't want to be around people.

You're not going to find them. You can be walking in that woods for circles. They can be behind you half the time. You'd never know about it. That's interesting. I'm really glad you said that because the fact that the cat is tagged and they still can't be found really puts it in perspective as the ability to hide if you want to be hidden.

especially if it's in your own backyard, your own home. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's interesting. That's really interesting. So you have no problem believing in Bigfoot.

Correct. Now, because I, we'll get to you later, I had my own encounter. If I didn't, I would not believe. I would never be disrespectful to somebody. But the field I went into, I was always biologically minded. Just everything in science shouldn't exist, even though that's not true. When you look at them feasibly, they do exist. Well, I know they exist, but feasibly they can't exist.

The continent hasn't changed very much since the last ice age. The base food source is still here. The megafauna all died out for different reasons. But they're just, I wanted some of our last bit of megafauna. We still have elk. We still have moose. You know, we still have the bison. You still have these giant animals that are capable of surviving.

Yeah. I mean, moose are elk where we go fishing out in Michigan. I've walked up on elk. Didn't know they were there. That's a 900 pound animal. Wow. And it's like, oh, we both looked at each other because neither of us knew we were there. I'd rather be around a black bear than an elk.

Really? Yeah. Wow. I've never been around a black bear, you know, out in the wild, nor an elk. But I might be actually getting into hunting and I'd like to go hunting for elk. But let's start transitioning here because I wanted to kind of, I wanted to explore your background and how you kind of view things. And I thought that was going to be important moving forward.

so I wanted to tackle it before we got any further. Now, you used to be out in the field before you were in a hospital. Was it your job and working in the field that took you to Illinois, where you had this, I'm assuming you had some kind of experience or understanding of a hedgeron collider? Did you meet somebody that told you about it? Please tell me you stumbled across it, went inside, and saw all the lizard people.

Not that far. Dang it. But, yeah, that's what took. us to work. That's, my work is what took us there. So basically, a lot of these sites that we do, most of them, they can be from tiny little streams to great big rivers, but they are on cyclical cycles.

So most of our sites are on two-year or three-year cycles. Some of our sites are on seven-year cycles. You know, it can be any number. It just depends on what the survey will pay for. So it basically is to just monitor to make sure the river is only getting better or staying the same, not getting worse. When it gets worse, somebody needs to pay more money. And nobody wants to do that.

Right. It usually comes out of taxpayer pocket. Chicago's pretty good about trying to make other people pay for it. Yeah. Business mostly. Gotcha. So this site hadn't been surveyed for seven years that we're getting ready to go to. The instructions on it are entered from the back of the facility.

There's a fence. You have the key. So basically, the guy that first, did this survey site. It doesn't work for my company anymore. Nobody on my crew has ever been to this site. So we get a little piece of paper that says this is the last time we went to this site. You drive down a little stone roll behind the

woods. You'll hit a locked gate. Here's the key for the lock gate. You go through, do the site. So we do this and this big giant fence, big lock on it. And we unlock it. We go through. And we find the stream. And this stream is like, you know, three, four inches wide.

we still have to survey it Really? There's no fish. I know some of the stuff we surveyed, you'd be like, why do we do that? Because the bug crew will then come in and then the chemistry crew will come in, but you need to get data on all those.

Even if there's no fish, that's still data. But it is, for what's about to happen, it does look ridiculous. So we get there, and like I said, we look like Ghostbusters most of the time. We're bringing a thing called a backpack shocker, or backpack shocking unit for fishery surveys. It looks like the Ghostbuster backpack

with a big wand out the front of it, and it shoots electricity. So it looks freaky. So we start unpacking. I put this thing on. We're flooded by people in like seconds. And we're like, what the hell these guys are armed very heavily.

And they're just yelling at us. Like, what the hell are you doing here? What the hell are you doing here? And we're like, fish survey. Because we have permits and everything. We have permission slips. And they,

so they look at this little creek and they look at these three nerds in all nowhere saying fish survey and they're like, hell no, it's not a fish survey. One thing I did leave out is right behind this other side, we thought it was an oil pipe. This thing's like 12, 15 foot diameter, this giant pipe. We're like, that's a lot of oil. You know, we don't know what the hell it is.

These guys, and they take our phones, they go through to make sure we didn't take any pictures, and we'd have to take site pictures and stuff. They went through, deleted all those. They took our IDs. and then they left. We were there for like a half hour, sweating bullets with a bunch of armed men.

And we did not know why we were being, we're not in a good situation. We're panicking. I think I'm like 22 at this point. I was very young in my career. I just got my first year out of college for fisheries. And it's just ridiculous. Finally,

they come back. It's like a half hour later. And they were like, we got a hold of the last site manager. He said he forgot to let us know that you guys were coming. and you're not welcome anymore and give us the key back. We're like, yep, there you go, sir.

Here's the key. Here's our data sheets. We will not be coming back. What had happened was it was originally some kind of laboratory and they got bought out by the government and they built a hydrant collider there, a mini one. And they didn't tell, nobody knew that backgate was back there. It's the middle of a woods.

You can't see it. And so seven years ago, it was just a bio lab. and we had a key to the gate. Oh my gosh. It was one of the scariest moments of my life because you're just swarmed by people that are armed and not happy. Because there's a bunch of guys

near a Hydron Collider with Ghostbusters gear saying they're here for a fish survey. I would have shot me. Yeah. Wow. So basically you got like, wow.

The old property manager is what The old site manager. The site manager saved your rear end. Well, they were going to keep us there the whole, probably indefinitely. We probably weren't leaving if they didn't,

if he didn't say, yeah, it's a fish crew. They come every X years, you know, I forgot to say. But yeah, they were calling him.

They were calling all kinds of people. They already checked, like, they were doing background checks on us and all kinds of stuff. They took our IDs. Wow. Wow.

No badges or nothing on nobody. Nobody was affiliated with anything. Of course not. Of course not. And that scares the hell of, even more. Oh, yeah. Because you don't know who this is.

We are freaking these guys out. Because the stuff we have, the equipment we have, they can't explain. They don't understand what we're saying. It looks freaky. I really, I have to get a picture for you so you can post it because it's, it's hard to explain what this thing looks like. And these guys are on edge and we are on edge. Oh my gosh.

But you're not the most threatening person, like visually. But these, it's an area. Nobody's supposed to be. Yeah. I'm sure on some security camera, they look back. There's three guys at a truck carrying this Ghostbusters equipment walking around. They're trying to blow this place up. Yeah, I'm sure.

We had gas and stuff because we run a generator. Wow. So we had everything, you know. Wow. That's crazy. That's crazy. Shoot, dude. Yeah.

Like, so is this something that's well known as far as a hedron collider? I mean, in that moment when this is happening, did they inform you? This is a hedron collider? No, hell no. Yeah. So how'd you find out? We looked it up later. It took a lot of research

because there's not really any markings in the building. We're told, we weren't really supposed to, we're not really supposed to say what the building was, but we didn't sign nothing, but I'm not going to say

what the building was, but it's in Illinois. I'll give you the state. But just because I don't want anybody coming to my house. You don't need that private army showing back up. Yeah.

But no, we didn't know. And they were not telling us anything. And then like, leave now. It's pretty much, give us the key. Give us all your documents. And they went through all of our phones,

delete it every, make sure we didn't have anything. And then just leave now. And we also have GPS units. We have water meters. We have all this stuff that just doesn't make any sense with all these wires. Yeah. Holy crap, man. And, uh,

yes, we looked it up later. Basically, we found X lab. We knew the X lab, you know, the lab before what it was. And it was even,

it was in our notes and everything like that. Mm-hmm. Uh, we went into the front of the building. We'd have seen there's about 85 gates. So you can't even get close to the thing anymore. but like so we a lot of our work was based off old field notes so with some old biologist that was already retired wrote down yep just go through the back gate they know you're coming that's that's so

like that that's just so typical like that that of course it would be like that you know like it's just it was an old site that isn't what it is now and the only instruction you have from an old guy who's been retired for a hundred years is just like yeah there's an old game You just go right through it in the streams there, do your job, good out. It should be, you know, two hours max, you know, and all of a sudden you're being swarmed. That's crazy. Yeah, we were there for at least 40 minutes.

That whole site shouldn't have took more than 20. They informed you that this was a government facility at that point, I'm assuming? No. No. They didn't tell us nothing. Really? We weren't asking questions either. You weren't?

Weren't. Why not? I'm kidding. I'm kidding. They were not excited we were there. Yeah. And we were not excited we were there. Yeah.

So you left there not knowing who they were. Nope. We didn't know nothing. So you were pretty confused. Oh yeah, we went straight back to the hotel. We stopped working for the day. We were all like,

because it was just, that was our first side of the day because it's supposed to be the easy one. We're supposed to, you know, 20 minutes in and out. Nobody pointed a gun at us. I want to make that clear, but there was a lot of people

holding a lot of guns around us. Yeah. They were not happy we were there. And so, all right, here's the thing. I, and I've never been in the situation. So I'm only speaking from what I would assume I would be in that situation. I would, I would think that I would be like, well, who are you?

You know, like, like, who are you? Because I mean, I'm, I'm, I need some identification. Like, I'm not letting, like, again, this is, I mean, Illinois, so the gun laws are different anyway. So like, but like, if that happened here, I'd be like, yo, well, I got one too. So show me something. Like, what? what is this, you know? Nobody, none of your team, you all just left there, just knowing that some dudes rolled up on you with guns and asking for information.

Biologists are very introverted and shy people generally. I am the oddball. And I was not asking questions. I'm still young, but I was young then right out of high, right out of college. And I'm just, I don't, I'm not asking any questions. I want to go home. I want to see my girlfriend. I want to talk to my parents.

It's like, I don't want to end up in the hydron collider. You know, what's funny is that if that happened to me today, one of my first thoughts would be after the initial scare would be, man, this is going to be a great story if I survive. Like, I'm like, I cannot wait to tell this story on the show. I don't think I've ever shared it on the show. Do you think it was a- slacking on that one? Do you think it was a private army or do you think it was government officials with the guns? I don't know.

They were, they were an army. me. I don't care which, if they were government or private. They had enough, they had enough militia to take care of that place very well. Yeah. But, yeah, we never went back. And there's nothing on the front of the building that says what it is. Like, there's no identification marks and stuff like that. It's basically a big gray building with a lot of different rooms that doesn't say anything with a bunch of gates on the front end. Because we did like a week later, I think we drove past the front because we had other sites in the area we had to do. We stayed out of that area for like a week, but we had eventually go back and work.

Because we literally had sites all around that place. And then we could start seeing, like, you could barely see chunks of the tube. Yeah. And it's massive. I mean, it's a small one. It's not like the one that wears in Europe or something. It's like under Switzerland and part of France. But it's, you know, this is probably a half mile wide.

Okay. And I think it's scrubbed on Google. We tried to look it up on Google and there's no picture of it. but that was years ago. I haven't looked recently. It's interesting. So they tried keeping the whole thing secret. Yeah. They're not advertising nothing. Yeah. I mean, like we're about 30 minutes from a hedron glider with Oakridge. And that's something that's known, you know?

Like, you can go to their website. You can look at who the scientists are that work there and all that. So the fact that they keep it secret is... I think partially some of the secret may come from the area it's in, and I don't ever tell anybody where it is on anything recorded just because I don't want to come back on me. Yeah. But the area is higher end. So I feel like if the neighborhood knew, there would be an uproar.

I got you. And there's enough money to make a stink about it. Yeah. You know, we don't have anybody. So if they built next to us, what are we going to do? Yeah. They have enough money to raise a lot of concern. Wow.

Okay. All right. That's crazy. How many Hedron colliders do you think are in this country? I have, I don't know. This country. I have no idea. Because I mean, you have, like, so we have here at Oakridge, publicized.

You have one in Illinois there that seems pretty secret. So I wonder how many more secret ones there are. I know the problem with building the big ones is you need a lot of flat area because you can't have a lot of change in basically, you know, in height because it messes up the experiments. So out west would be a really good area to start building them. You got the big, nice flat plateaus and stuff. like that, solid rock. It always was weird to me. There was one in Illinois because

there's probably they built it right there because that was the only spot they could find in that general area to put one. Yeah. Because they're very, very specifically built machines. I don't know a lot about it. I'm like, I did fish and salamanders.

But it was one of the scariest experiences of my life. Yeah. I can imagine. I can imagine. That would be terrifying, especially as a 20, 21, 22-year-old guy. I remember in my early 20s, I was like 21 years old, and I was a parking enforcement officer in Reading, Pennsylvania.

And oh my gosh, talk about a wake-up call, you know? Like, that job, I did it for a year. That job is what made me start driving truck. I was like, I'm out of here because my life was in danger every day. I mean, like, I'm just riding parking tickets and the people want to shoot me. I'm just like, what the heck, you know? It's just a culture thing. But going back to that age, like, I was like early 20s,

I didn't know how to react to a full grown person threatening my life over a parking ticket. So being your age, having like an army of guys coming, who are you? And it's like, oh, God, just want to go home now. Yeah, they were not asking any questions politely. Yeah, that makes sense. Wow. Okay.

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All right. So with that, how old were you when you came to the realization that Bigfoot was harassing you on the family property? Was it the siting itself that kind of cemented it for you or what? That is what told us it was a big, but we thought it was a man before that. We were 100% convinced it was a guy. Like I said earlier, we live right next to a college town. College kids are awful.

I mean, I was one, but they are awful. So, you know, they torture people in our area all the time, especially our college because it's a really rich college, and we're a very not rich town. Gotcha. So it's just like they, yeah. But it was over two years. I was 16 and 17.

I only remember that. So I believe it was, if I get any of the numbers wrong, I'm sorry, anybody. I believe it was 2010, 2011, where the two years it happened. So it was only from like May to October. So, you know, just summer.

We had a very large farm. I have three siblings and two adopted siblings. So we are a very big family. We had a very large farm, horses, rabbits, you know, chickens, ducks. I showed professional poultry, which sounds really, funny. I had some chickens that were

six, seven, $800 a bird. Are you serious? Yeah. Wow. And I also had normal chickens. I had the $2 chickens. But, you know, we showed higher-end poultry. And we showed horses too. So our property is shared on one of the largest woods in Hardin County, Ohio.

Hardin County, Northwest Ohio was pretty much corn in little tiny specks of woods. We don't have the great forest of, you know, southeast Ohio or anything like that. But our family had one of the largest woods. You know, and we shared it with two other families,

and they were both older couples, no kids. So, like I said, the first year, a lot of small weird stuff is happening. So we had this giant grain bin that my dad built because we were buying so much animal feed that basically he built it so he could put a whole pallet's worth of each type of food in, so you only had to buy it every two months.

And the lid on it was probably 70 or 80 pounds. My littler siblings couldn't open it by themselves. My bigger sibling, I'm the oldest biological kid. I do have an older adopted sister. But, you know, it's hard to open when you're young. It kept getting left open, and that's bag of rats, stuff get into it and stuff like that. And it ruins the horse grain and stuff.

And it was weird. It kept getting left open, and we were blaming each other. Stuff was getting moved around, like, buckets and rakes and all kinds of stuff ended up in weird corners of the yard and in the fence and stuff like that. And it just was stuff where we were getting at each other's throats. Because life's hard enough. why you make it harder on each other? You know, you're going out of your way.

It's not just one of my siblings being lazy or me being lazy to them. It's going out of the way to make stuff, you know, harder. It just doesn't make any, you know. So that year goes on. Another thing I kind of forgot is that we worked, me and my mom showed horses also. So my dad got a stadium light and he put it in the yard so we could work the horses at night so they don't overheat. So you can still train your horses and stuff like that. but it's not near the heat of the day.

Horses overheat very easily. We had horse trails, four wheel of trails in the woods, stuff like that. So this is 2010. I'm just trying to make sure I get the dates right. Those are 10. I worked at McDonald's. I was a closer. It's 4th of July weekend.

I believe it's the third. It's Friday. My family had gone up to Indian Lake, which is probably 30 miles from where we live. We had a camper there. They had gone up for the fireworks that night. They were staying in there. I just get off work at McDonald's. It's 11 o'clock. I've already missed the fireworks. I'm like, I'm not going to drive up tonight. I'm going to go home. I'm going to sleep. And I'll go up in the lake, you know, go up to the lake in the morning. Our driveway was about half a mile long long long. We could not see our house in the road. We were so secluded. We loved it. You know, up until certain things happened. But, you know, it's a big long driveway. Our house was shaped like a big U with the kitchen and the living room being even and they were all glass. And then the rest of the house was behind. So just the

big you faced into the woods. I get home. We got three dogs. Sunny is a Labradoodle. He's defended my mom. He actually bit a guy for my mom. Some guy tried to grab my mom. And he's not, he was that dog. We used to kill coyotes and stuff like that. He's not, he's not shy. And we had Bailey, which is a big old mutts, about 40 pound dog. And we had Clarice, which is like a nine pound dog. She's still alive. She's almost 19. jeez hope when we go home that she's still alive so I come in the kitchen to let the dogs out because they've been you know

they all went up to the lake probably 5 o'clock it's you know it's 1130 at this point and they won't come out and they won't even come to the kitchen they won't come out of the doorway I'm like oh that's kind of weird but whatever you know I don't really think much of it I'm just figuring they just don't want to go so as I start walking through the house the dogs are following me they're like staying on top of me and then I lay on the couch and Bailey and Clarice the two lower dogs

get on me which is an odd but then the weird thing is Sunny tries to get on top of me and that he's never he doesn't do that he's a 140 pound dog he doesn't you know he's not a lap dog he knows he's not a lap dog

so I'm like no I pushed him off and he laid like right next to me on the couch so the living room in is all glass and you see the woods and I'm watching TV way off and the other side of the woods I hear boom boom boom

worth of July weekend somebody somebody has family over their lighten off fireworks So you say boom like like like it sounded like a thunderous boom or was it like a wood knock or? Wood knock hammer strike or small firework

Okay nothing Not like shaking the house or nothing It's way off too Okay About another 10, 15 minutes past Boom boom boom boom Boom it's slowly getting closer.

Still not. I'm figuring somebody has grandkids over, one of the other neighbors, and they're just playing in the woods and stuff. It's not on our property, so it doesn't matter to me. But then I start thinking maybe it's Nick. My best friend lives just down the road a little bit.

He would go in that woods and do stuff. So I call him. And he's like, no, we're actually in Pennsylvania tonight for a family reunion thing. Like, okay, well, somebody's in the woods. Just tell your dad and stuff like that. So, you know, somebody's out there for tomorrow. He's like, okay.

Hang up. And so it's in the boom, boom, boom, it's getting closer, closer. Now it sounds like somebody's hitting a tree with a hammer. And then it stops for a little bit. And then probably another, it's like 10, 15 minutes. Boom, boom, boom, on the side of the barn. The horses kick down. They just start winning and they're going nuts in the pasture.

I can hear just the horse is freaking out. I am frozen and the dogs are just not doing anything. Sonny is not barking. He is just frozen and he's whimpering and he's like just laying on me. And it's freaking me out more than it. anything else is sunny. He would, literally, he'd open the door and he'd go after coyote. He'd go after a person.

He didn't matter. He's just not doing anything because he's scared. And it's just, that was freaking me out more. And then I'm frozen. There's the gun cases in the next room. I don't want whoever's out there to see me where I am. Like I said, this room is all glass and it faces into the woods. So whoever's out there, you can see where I am.

Barnes is probably 100 yards from the front door. and then another 10 minutes goes by, boom, we had a project Porsche that was maybe 30 feet from the front door. It's only 30 feet from me. And I'm just, the dogs are whimpering and I'm just, I'm so frozen. Whatever it is, it's just right there. It knows where I am. It's only 30 feet from me. It's just freaking me out.

I'm basically in tears at this point. I'm like crying on the couch. And my aunt and uncle, they were living with us at the time. They come blaring down the driveway, playing music. music, whatever it is, this takes off. I come out. I am bawling. I'm 16-year-old. I'm just bawling. They grab me and the dogs. We go stay at my grandma's house for the night. Next morning, Nick, my buddy, his dad was military police, he was SWAT, there's all this stuff. And he comes out, and he wants to think he just, my dad's 100% convinced it was a man at this point. So he's coming out,

they're looking for evidence. And he's, and he found where he hit the barn, and he found where he hit the porch, he's like, it had to be a guy with a sledgehammer and he hit four times. And I'm like, no, he only hit three times. Like, I was there. It was every time, it was only three times. And he's like, no, he hit four times. And I'm like, why do you think he hit four times? Because there's four marks in the barn lying in each other. About eight foot off the ground. And it had to be a sledgehammer because to hit that high, you'd need a longer shaft hammer. The porch had the same thing. Four marks.

but later on it looks like knuckle marks. It's like four indents that are separately apart but in a line or a rough line, you know. And so that was the big one of the 2010, and we still had the stuff getting moved. We had all kinds of weird stuff happening. Then late September or October hits stops. It goes away. Next year in May, it starts back up again. But it is way more dramatic.

the piles of stuff. So now it's stacking stuff in our yard, in the corners of our fence. They had like car hoods, piles of two by fours, buckets, hay bales. These things would just show up on your property? Like car hoods? Like our stuff. It's our stuff being moved around our property. Gotcha. Okay. So we're about to kill each other. As half my siblings are blaming each other for this stuff. And then my dad's convinced it's a man coming on our property. And, you know, we're all freaked out. We won't go out at night and stuff like that. And some of these stacks were just huge and stuck in. corners the fence and stuff they were inside the pasture outside the pasture and it just so all this stuff and then my expensive chickens were in a very high-end chicken coop basically only me or you could get into it you have to be a person they get into it and the fence is electrified that way to keep foxes and stuff from raccoons especially open fencing up so if it's electrified they normally don't but i start having those chickens disappear that's a financial problem because it's not a $3 or $4 bird every time.

You know, it's, you know, $5,600 every time one of those is just gone. And then its breeding potential is gone, too. So we go out to the Amish country when you can buy a red healer dog. I don't know if you've ever experienced them. They are monsters. And this dog had been trained for farm life. It was supposed to be on the farm. It stayed on the farm.

It was supposed to be on the farm. It died. She would patrol the, like, all night, she slept all day. All night she would patrol the woodline and kill and eat pretty much anything. She's killed at that point. One day she'd come up to the house, covered in blood, and we couldn't find a scratch on her. The next morning went out, and there's three dead coyotes. This dog, this dog was just a monster.

Red Healer. Yeah. I had two of them show up in my house this past summer. They're based. So I didn't understand why they were howling at night. That's why. Oh, yeah. They're awake at night.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. They're nocturnal, basically. Gotcha. Because that's the one they work. Gotcha.

they wouldn't mess with the chickens and it's weird to see a dog that you just kill a fox or a coyote lay right next to a chicken and not do anything because it knows it was bred and trained for one job is to protect every animal on this farm and once it learned that line

or Lucy wouldn't let anybody cross it so what started happening though is she'd tree stuff on that line if animals didn't run back into the woods they run up a tree right there she'd stand there and bark all night until she went horse so we had to start knocking stuff out of trees for her.

And everything from like possums, raccoons, you know, raccoon's the big one. And so that way she could kill it. If she didn't kill it, she wouldn't stop. So one night, me and Luke, Lucy's barking at something, just going absolutely nuts. And we're like, okay, you know, it's a raccoon. We're just good. I think it's literally a baseball bat in a golf club out of the garage. And we're like, we're just going to knock the raccoon out of the tree.

And that, you know, that'll be it. We get, we see where Lucy's standing. She's standing in front of one of those four-wheeler trails, so there's no trees there. And she's just barking like a madman, and we're like, that's kind of weird. So we start walking down. And we both see it at the same time, but I say Luke stopped, and he already had stopped. He's just giant green eyes. We're looking down at Lucy, blinking real slow, blinking real slow.

On the third blink, it was just staring right at us. And we're shaking up, and I'm just like, Luke, don't turn your back, don't run. and we start walking back that made it for about 10 feet and we come in the house we're just bawling my poor dad is just done he gets the gun

and he goes down there and Lucy's still standing right where she was in front of this hole in the woods barking that's a brave dog that's a brave dog I think she was about two seconds

from not being a dog before we came out wow so dad comes stands right next to her it's like you son of you know come out now you've scared my kids

you've tortured us for two years we're done coming out now I'm going to start shooting in the woods. And he counts three, and obviously nobody comes out. So he aims in the top of the trees. Me and Luke are on the front porch outside watching this.

So he aims, shoots in the top of the trees. It sounds like 10 feet back in the woods, just in the darkness, like a bison is just ripping through the woods. Dad falls backwards, run to the house. And all he would say to me, Luke, and my mom, all my other siblings were younger. And he's just like, it's not a man. It's not a man.

It's not a man. And we didn't talk about it for you. and so I guess I miss it. We seen the head shape. I didn't see details. We just because the way the light from the horse light was shining, it was given that weird effect where you could see the outline of the creature and you see its eyes shine from the light,

but it was just hulking. It was about seven and a half foot tall and just thick. And it gives me goosewump still. And it was, we were done. We actually moved out like three months later different things happen. I'll tell you about in a second. But it was there.

And if I had never had that experience, I wouldn't believe in anything. Shows like Finding Bigfoot and Mount Monstra how goofy they can be, you know, that's what made us realize that other people seen these things, you know, seeing these things.

We didn't really talk about it again. Ties probably 19 or 20. Amongst each other or two people? Yeah, amongst each other. Wow. Because it freaked us all out separately so bad. We're very religious people. We're all Christian,

family. And we had other stuff happened to, and we just chocked up with one of those events. And it just was a different part of our life. That year, my mom got cancer. And it just was a long battle. It just, you know, it was just, a lot of stuff happened immediately. And we just buried it. Because it just wasn't the thing in the forefront of our minds. Wow. Well, I want to hear what else happened. Okay. Because like, listen, that story, I don't know Is the other stuff Bigfoot related or is it more? Same property right before he moved out. Okay.

Not Bigfoot. But not Bigfoot. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I want to hear about this, but I'm just thinking like the red healer, what did the red healer see? Because I can't imagine that thing actually seeing what she was barking at and standing that ground. I think she fully seen that Bigfoot.

Really? Really. Was messed up in the head. She was a little loopy. Yeah. Oh, gosh. She put a whole bunch of deer in the barn one time because she thought they were goats.

My mom opened the door one day and a bunch of deer came out because they got in the pasture. They'd hop in our fence and eat. So when they got in the pasture, Lucy was like, you guys were supposed to be in the barn. Because they're goats,

you know. So she literally wouldn't let him out of the barn all night. The dog was not right. Very good on her job. And I really think she was about two seconds from not being a dog. Yeah. So he was getting into the barn.

and eating the horse grain. That was the big thing. I don't know. You ever been around? You know what horse, like felt horse grain? I don't think so. It's mostly molasses.

It's very sweet. Okay. So if you're an animal, it's very delicious stuff. Even to us, you know, it's just molasses. It's,

you know, brown sugar, basically. Yeah. That's what the main thing was getting, and he's getting chickens. This dog directly stopped his two-year feeding cycle. So he's on year two of doing this. This dog was not letting him in the yard anymore

without being detected. Wow. Because the whole time we had it, we didn't have any more structures. We didn't, you know, he didn't have anything weird. I think that night, he was done with it, and he was going to go get his food. And I really think we'd have been a minute later. I don't think Lucy would have been a dog anymore. Wow. You know, it's interesting you say this stuff, because it makes me think back to episode 333, Dog versus Dogman with Kyle. Kyle tells the story of

this dog man in the woods he was out hunting raccoons at 15 years old and he has this dog man long story short come in and his dog Jake saved his life three times that night

and there were people that were like man if dog man is what you know he says it is and as big as it is and stuff a hunting dog I forget what Christian do you remember

remember the kind of dog that that uh jake was it was some kind of hound blue tick what i don't think it was a blue tick no i i don't remember but uh it was a it was a hound dog it was uh it was uh tree raccoons and jake and jake was known as like the dog biggest strongest best hunting dog right that people were like oh yeah right like you know no dog could stay a chance against a dog mean let alone three times and then survive and then here you are talking about how your dog was just like There's this big foot that when it would come around that season, it wanted the food, it would get it. And so you got this red healer. And all of a sudden, that red healer was enough to keep that big foot away.

And then it takes me back to the whole thing where people say that Bigfoot do not like dogs. And people venture to guess that there is a conflict between dog meat and Bigfoot. But maybe it's Bigfoot and just these farm dogs. It's just like, you know, these freaking things. Like, we're trying to be stealth. We're trying to just get our food and get out. Yeah. That's the problem.

Yeah. That's interesting. That's really interesting. Another thing with the Bigfoot thing, like I said, we had people come up and share their stories with us. The guy that came on our show, his name's Greg on his episode, I can't remember. Basically, he's seen that a big foot. There's about seven and a half feet tall, the same year, two miles from my house.

Wow. And I know that's a long story. It's his own story, but it's a long story short. But basically he thought it was a cow in the house. ditch. Yeah. And so they started slowing down

because there was cows out that day, which happens a lot in our part of Ohio. Yeah, sure. So you just, yeah, you know, there's a cow

out, and they started slowing down and they were going to help, Greg was going to get out and help get the cow back in. And then it stood up

and it was this, what would he describe the teeth and everything as? The teeth? Remember he said it looked like chicklets? Oh,

yeah, yeah. You seen it and he just That's almost comical. Almost like, yeah, he had an upclubes. like within touching distance.

Greg is a mountain of a man. Yeah. Wow. And he was just... He was that close to it. Yeah. Three feet. Wow.

Wow. He was still in his vehicle. Right. And this thing he said stood up out of the field and just took three huge steps was already on the road and then passed the road. And he counted these steps. Wow. And as he's still creeping up on it.

So it just passes his car and he creeps by it and he could reach out from his window and touch it. But that's when he saw probably the most detailed account I've ever heard anyone tell of a Bigfoot story. So he tells us this, and we're like, well, what year was these? He's like, 2011. And it's literally the next county road over. And I really think it was, I think, specifically Northwest Ohio, and the whole Midwest,

the top of the Midwest, there's not a lot of long-term shelter or food. There's seasonal abundance. I think our group is very migratory because they lose cover. So I think they just, they move through the area. I think, I call them, like, we call them Harry, we called it. junior later on. I think he was a juvenile male. If you look at all the famous big foot encounters, they're almost always seven and a half to eight feet tall. And that's what we kind of think, speculatively, that those are our juvenile males, these big hulking ones that get pushed away

from mom and dad. I think he got an easy food source because there's other farms in that woods. And I think he stopped migrating. He spent all summer with, you know, in that area because he didn't have to do anything. Jackpot. Until I think dad shot at him, quote, unquote, you know, he shot up in the trees, but as far as he knew, he shot at him. So probably his, you know, their cult, you know, humans are bad and dangerous. He's looking at us two little kids, you know, I was 17, but

you know, he's looking at two little kids like, these things aren't dangerous. Yeah. And then boom. Oh, does everything stop for the Bigfoot after that? It was done. Yeah. Wow. Should I shot sooner. We thought it was a man. Yeah. And dad had seen it. Oh, so my uncle Rob would

listen to like radios and stuff halfway down our driveway. Because he's the only like sports and our whole family, as you tell from our conversation earlier. So we don't pick on for listening to baseball on the radio. Like you're not even watching. You're just because we're not sports people. Yeah. So you'd go listen to it in his car.

He did that until one night, something ran by and slapped the trunk of his car and kept running. He never seen it. The whole car bounced. Woo. And he took off and he didn't come home on night. Wow. We didn't know what happened. Wow.

And he didn't tell me with that until years later. He didn't tell anybody that He just said he went to the bar And then we started talking about it He's like well this is what happened to me And you know We'd seen stuff in the corn And stuff like that we thought were people

Yeah And I think it was him Getting Boulder In Boulder Boulder So the neighbor Earlier in the story How they were out of town When you first started having that experience

Did they ever say they saw anything Had any experiences? No No and they wouldn't even if they did I know that family very well and if they had anything, it will die with them. Really? Yeah. Okay.

They're very private people. Yeah. So what drove you off this property? So, like, here's the thing. I mean, at what point during the Bigfoot extravaganza did you come to the realization that was Bigfoot? That night that your dad shot or what? Years later.

Okay, gotcha. So whatever it was going on, because I think you said it was only months later until you left. At the end of that year. Okay. So this is midsummer and it was probably November when we were left. Okay. So months later, you leave.

But that whole thing wasn't enough to drive you away. So I'm interested to hear what drove you guys away. Why we left the farm is, like I said, my mom got cancer. My mom was the big driving force behind the farm. My dad worked very hard, still works very hard. So we just couldn't do it anymore. We bought my grandparents house at that time because they just didn't need it. You know, they went to a smaller place.

We went into town. That is why we left. Okay. Just because it's just farm. We had a massive farm with a lot of animals. You know, we had four horses. I had like 400 birds. My mom collected goats.

Every auction she'd ever go to, she'd come home with a goat. That's just my mom. That's like some mom's coming home with purses. My mom comes home with goats. Every action, my dad is like, she's coming home with a goat. I know it. the bed of the truck. Oh, man, I budget for this, son.

I budget for this. And if you're wise, you'll learn from me, you'll budget for these things too. She bred goats to buy more goats. Oh, man. But we also had stuff going on at the house. So the house we got is partially brand new. We built it.

And it's partially, you know, extremely old. We moved it from around the woods. It was the same woods. We picked up a house, moved it, connected it to a new foundation, that kind of deal. The guy we got it off of sold us for a dollar, just because he legally had to sell it. He sold the property for a dollar. The house.

The house. He wanted to turn it to farmland. Gotcha. So it was one of his like aunts that hadn't been lived in it for like 30 years. So he just wanted to plow it under because he was a big farmer. Gotcha. And he just wanted to land. So he wanted the house off there.

So dad's like, well, I'll pay to move it if you give it to us, you know. Yeah. So he did. Weird thing is when we start working on this house, this way before we, years, years and years before, I think I was nine, let's say roughly, I don't know. There's no poop in this house, like mouse poop, no raccoon poop. It's been empty for 30 years and it looks clean. Well, we start knocking out walls because, you know, we're not taking the whole thing. You got to, you know, we're just taking a chunk of it, basically. The walls are full of snake skins, shedded snake skins. And I was always wanting to be, you know, a biologist, herpetologist was the one I was really excited to be. So I'm nine or something.

tell my dad, oh, this is timber rack rattler. Dad is like, it is not a timber rack rattler. You know, we don't have those. And that part of Ohio, they've been extirpated to that point for like 150 years. So just, extirpated just means locally extinct. So... I know.

I always do it for our show at home just because people would be like, well, what's that word mean? You're being me right now. So he took it. We actually have a biology department. in our college, and there's actually a herpetologist there. And he took it there, and she's like,

yeah, it's a Diamondback Riler skin. And so he wasn't excited about that. But he's told me I was right, so my dad was always really good about that kind of stuff. And we're just like, okay, the house is very old. Obviously, hundreds of snakeskins at this point, you know, it's died a long time ago. The day we lift the house off the foundation, a big guy goes down there to finish, make sure it's all cut, nothing's hanging on the house still.

And there's this giant snake laying there. just basking. He takes off. I'm like, I'm like nine, I'm there. And he's fighting with the guy and he's like, you get down there, make sure it's all cutter, you're fired. And he's like, I quit and just leaves. And then like a half hour later, my dad's getting ready to go down. This big old snake comes out, goes in the woods, never seen again. We move the house. The whole time we had this house, little weird stuff is happening. Now, random footsteps upstairs. Like literally, I heard footsteps one time. Nick's dad, like I said, SWAT, military police.

I call him, tell him there's somebody upstairs, I'm too scared to move. Because nobody's home. It's just me. And I literally heard walk, walk, walk, walk, walk. And he comes in, he's like, go sit in my car.

I'll come out in a minute. And he went sat in his car. And he's in there for probably like half hour. He did a full sweep of the house. Every nook and cranny, couldn't find nobody. He's like, I want to take you to your grandmas. and you're just going to stay there tonight

and I'm going to go get your dad and we're going to go through this again. Does nothing ever happen. And we started having more footsteps and stuff. You get, nobody's there. We had people that watched the house and we like, ignore the footsteps. When my mom got sick, stuff started ramping up.

My brother, like I said, his name's Luke. Hi, Luke. Has muscular dystrophy. So at this point, he's, you know, I'm 17, so he's 15. He's had multiple surgeries. He's been, his legs have been through like the chop shop.

He's the toughest kid, toughest man I've ever known. He just went through it the whole time. Never once complained, never once did nothing. So he comes into my room late one night. This is after the Bigfoot stuff ended. And he's like, hey, can I sleep in here tonight? And I'm like, no, you can't sleep in my bed. It's like, oh, can I sleep on the floor?

And he's not the kid to ask for anybody to anything, let alone, you know, I'm 17, he's 50, to come sleep at my bed because he's scared at night. And I'm like, I guess so. At the foot of my bed, I kind of forgot. I had Fluffy, my big python. The only snake I ever had, but my mom would take out and feed because it was softy, lizards, fish, all kinds of stuff. And so Luke goes and lays down, like, away from my bed.

My room's kind of like L shape, so the bed's on one end of the L, he's on the other end. I sleep facing towards the wall. Somebody recently told me because I said I was ready to be killed, I guess. I don't know. It's easy for a serial killer to stab you in the back. But I sleep face to the wall. And then he gets up and he pokes me in the shoulder. I'm like, Luke, quit it.

About five minutes past, pokes me in the shoulder again. Like, Luke, stop it. My job, both my parents worked at this point. I had to get everybody ready for school in the morning and get everybody to school. And I'm just like, Luke, yeah, I got to sleep. I have varsity singers the morning, you know, blah, blah, blah. Pokes me again.

I'm like, Luke, seriously, quit it. I'm getting real, real mad at this point. The last time you ever had your mom pinched your shoulder, like that crab pinch? Yeah. He does that, and it hurts like hell. And I turn around to yell at him, he's asleep on the floor.

And this black, black or thin black figure is just standing over top of me, leaning over top of me. And it's, I know, it doesn't have. eyes or anything, but I can feel it just staring at me. And then it slowly rises up like it's standing up and it backs away. It just melts into the corner. It goes downstairs. It looks like it's like walking, or not walking, but going downstairs. I hop up. I'm freaking out. You know, I get Luke, Luke has never told me he won't talk about it, but I think he's seen it before. He came to the room that night. I tell dad, dad doesn't even ask a question. He's like,

grab your siblings, we're going to your grandmas. because at this point we're getting ready to move. Don't forget the snake though. You're fluffy. Oh my gosh, I forgot. I'm sorry. So when the thing was standing there, the snake was going nuts.

Fluffy, the lizards are going nuts. The fish are going nuts. Fluffy is slamming her head into the glass so hard. She broke every tooth in her head. She'd go to the vet. The snake, because it's dangerous for them to break their teeth because they're like, they're not like us.

So this thing is just slamming its head, striking at it. Fluffy's just a mess. Blood and everywhere. And so that did happen. Thank you, Jay. I've forgot that part. So it's, and this is a snake that had no aggression, never bet anybody, I ate only frozen food, like thawled. So it never killed anything ever. So it was completely undocumented behavior. So I could tell dad, he gets us up, he never talk about it. Next day we have a lady in our town named Carol Slane, very religious figure in our church, and our pastor comes out.

we all pray over the house. Carol prays. And she's like, Bill, there's evil here. And there's a lot of it. And dad's like, okay. And I was the only kid allowed to be here because I'm the oldest, you know, oldest of the kids. And she touches one of the spots of the old wall. She's like, Bill, you need to open up this wall right here. And it's like, doesn't question.

Goes gets a hammer. Opens up this wall. Pulls out about a two-foot knife with a smiling serpent. for its handle. It's just disgusting. And she kept praying over the house. Every time she'd touch it, a spot on the wall,

they'd find a coin. And I think they were, she does this all day and they didn't get them all removed. I think they were anchors. They did or didn't? Like I said, mom was super sick. So she had non-option's lymphoma. Anybody has a family member dealing with that knows,

it's like, you're basically 50-50 chance. It's not a survival, it's not a very easily survivable cancer. So we just were done. We're done. You know, we have bigger, bigger problems. It just freaks me out still. But you have that knife, I just remember,

it's a snake with a full set of teeth, like a human. It's a big smile, like a cartoon, hand-carved. And so the guy that bought the house was an a-hole. He'd harassed my mom. Basically, the house kept getting destroyed.

like rooms being ripped apart, stuff like that, makeup on the walls and stuff like that. He got blaming us. And he'd call my mom. My mom can't even open our eyes from the chemo. And he'd call and he'd be like, keep your kids out of here, blah, blah, blah. We know this is you doing it because you're mad.

So he bought the house off you guys and assumed the previous owners of the house were doing the bizarre things in the house. Yes. Got you. Okay, I just want to make sure I was tracking. So, yeah, he just was just, and finally one day he called my mom. He's like, I got him upstairs.

I got him trapped. I heard your kids walking. Tell me you're there. Because my mom would never admit to anything because it wasn't us. She's like, tell me you're their kids right now. I'm going to go upstairs and shoot him. And mom's like, nobody we know is in that house. You do whatever you got to do.

And he stayed on the phone with her and he went and did every room. Nobody's there. Mom's like, you'll find anybody? Like, no. He never talked to us again. And you sold it again like three months later. Wow. But another thing I did forget, I've talked so much, I forgot stuff.

We first moved the house. The guy that gave us the house knew nothing to this. I fully believe. His relative came, approached us. Well, before, dad was putting wiring in the attic of the old part of the house we moved. And he reached into a spot. You couldn't see what's there, but he's reaching into it, trying to find the wire. He puts it up through the wall.

He finds all these papers. and the rituals and occult things and he showed me and Luke and he's like this is evil and he burned him a week later this family member

the guy that gave us the house is like did you guys ever find any old family documents we're missing some family documents and dad's like nope didn't find nothing

she's like are you sure and dad's like I'm very sure we didn't find anything and then she leaves and dad's like remember her

because she is evil. Because she, I think she was using this house for rituals without the other guy knowing because it wasn't hers. But nobody was back there for 30 years. He had secluded house. It was pristine. Like it was being used pretty often. Yeah. That's a good point. do all right so with with that ritual nature of everything and her come in and ask you think that the act of destroying the papers alerted her that they were destroyed because i mean it's it's almost ironic that she would come asking right after you do that so i don't know i try to my brain works weird obviously yeah but i mean i don't know i know different like different

the sense that, like, you're, I thought you were going with a scientific mind that you think scientifically. I just think, partially, I think, that she was waiting for the other guy not to be around us, because he was friendly to us. He was helping us, you know, I think she was waiting for everything to die down before she came looking for things. Because as far as he knew nothing in that house was theirs. Like, everything was cleared out. There's nothing. This house was empty. So, you know, so I kind of just think she was waiting, given time, and then coming to us. looking for these things. Do you think the knife was hers then?

And she put it in the wall? I think, so I think they were anchor points for that thing we seen that was torture us. I think it was a guard dog for whatever they were doing in that house. I think all those little things were just anchors to keep it there. Because when we'd pray and stuff, it would get worse. When we did anything in the house and my mom got sick, it just loved it. Because that's when it got most of its power. That's when it got dramatic.

That's when it got, you know, and we're just getting ready to move out. So we're constantly, we're tearing stuff apart. We're changing stuff out. And I don't know if it's mad if we were leaving. I don't know matter if we were praying so much because I'm sick. I mean, we were pretty much praying constantly. Yeah. And I just don't know.

It was so agitated with that stuff or if it was worried we were going to take something. I don't know. I know it. I feel in my heart it was attached to those things. And I just, it was mad at us, obviously. But then when the new guy came in and he started doing something, stuff, it was basically just shredding stuff in the house. Just like, it was monster. So I don't know if we just got out in time for its, you know,

it's apex of its behaviors or what. And I don't know who lives there now. I pray for them because, you know, we told him that that stuff and he didn't believe us. Well, the chances are that he has had experiences. It's just whether how he reacts to experiences. some people, I think, just ignore the experiences. They sell the house. They engage, combat it on a spiritual level. So I find it interesting that those experiences happen in that house. And all those experiences happen.

No, they couldn't have. Those experiences happened before the Bigfoot, too, right? Not just after. Yeah, way before. Yeah, but it was like constant throughout the entire existence of the house. Yeah, the whole time that old part of the house there, because we still lived in that property before, but we lived in the trailer,

and we didn't have anything weird happening in the trailer. The house started real, it kind of eased us into it almost, it felt like just little stuff here, little stuff there, and as time went on, it got more and more pronounced, more and more pronounced to, I think that last year, we didn't care about the footsteps upstairs.

Because you know there's nobody up there. I mean, we've done this game a hundred times, went up and searched the entire upstairs. There's no one up there. My sister's boyfriend, so she's my adopted sister, she's older than me by several years. He was house sitting for us the one time. And he heard somebody come in this, in, he was up in the second story. He's heard somebody come in the living room and start walking around. So he thought it was Sarah, his girl, you know, my daughter's sister. So he hides in the closet upstairs. And he hears this person walk up the stairs. And he hears him walk down the hall. And they get right in front of the closet. He jumps out, go, you know, boo. nobody's there. He called my mom and he did not go back. Because he's like, I just thought it was Sarah. You know, Sarah's supposed to be home 20 minutes, you know?

Yeah. And it's just that house is. Let me tell you, what you said about that the former owner or that lady showing up asking about the stuff. I, the reason why I asked what I asked is because I, so I had my experience with a, a Satanist in his home. I told this story years ago. I think it was like episode 30 or 31. And I'm at this guy's house for three hours

and it is some seriously heavy spiritual warfare. This is before the podcast. I didn't know much about anything. I still don't, but I really didn't know anything. But he asked me to take take home some satanic books. I think it was like two or three of them. At least two, but I'm pretty sure it was three. So I took the books out of his house and I went up throwing them away.

At hindsight, I wish I would have burned them, but when I'm throwing away. And I do believe I had demonic oppression at that point in my life. I took, I had a passenger. I had a hitchhiker. and I had seen this guy the reason why he invited me to his house was because him and I had gotten friendly at deliveries and he was sharing me his life story and we got to the more current time up-to-date timeline

and I asked him what the next chapter of his life story is because we were talking about how his life could be a movie I mean it was just traumatic and I was like this I couldn't wait to go in there to do a delivery just to hear where we where are we going next you know it was like waiting for the next episode of a show to pop out you know and so we get to the to the end point and I'm like what happens next and he's like I don't know I'm probably going to blow my brains out and uh well you guys last night we were hanging out and stuff you guys kind of saw how I get sometimes on the spiritual stuff like I kind of get evangelisticy you know I don't know if that's a word

evangelisticy it works but you know it's just it's certain things trigger me and that triggered me. And I kind of told him, I was like, dude, you don't want to do that. God's got plans for your life. And when I said that, his whole mood changed. And he kind of looked me, and he started asking me questions like, he never heard of God. And I was like, how is that even possible? But okay. You know, and he invites me to his house to talk more about this God stuff. I'm just like, yeah, I can do that. So that's why I went to his house. And it turns out he lured me to his house and he was a Satanist. And he spent three hours putting me through hell. And after that whole ordeal was over, it wasn't until about a year later. Because, I mean, during that, again, mind you, back then, this is before the podcast, this is a totally different Tony. Like, that was the first time I was ever introduced to satanic anything in my life ever, you know? So when I was at his house, he pretended to become a Christian with me there. like he asked me to pray with him and all this stuff and it's a big long story but um about a year later i'm telling this experience because for a year i'm facing this weird feeling like i just

felt like like god wasn't speaking to me anymore felt this gap growing and um i i felt like i just felt off you know and it all kind of started around that time And so I'm telling my friend on my lunch break, I'm in my truck and I'm eating lunch and talking about this whole experience. And it just, like, it all clicked in my head at that moment. Because of that point, I was like, he accepted Christ, like, but he never showed at the church. And, like, I just don't understand what that whole thing was about. And then it just all clicked to my head. I was like, hold on a second. He tricked me. Like, it just clicked. Like, I was like, why would somebody want to trick me, right? I was like, he tricked me. And he lured me to his

house and he was he was trying to do some kind of weird crazy stuff to me and later on doing the podcast talking with people i've come to understand that the three hugs he gave me he was trying to transfer demonic entities to me and i think they sunk their teeth and they were pretty hard that day and um when i when it and i say all that i get the background for new listeners um but i say all that because i went through an entire year where i was still going in to do deliveries that where he worked. And I would see him. And I'm talking with him and we'd be talking and stuff. And he just kept on kicking the idea of coming out to church down the road. And he's like, I don't know if this is for me and all that stuff. I was like, what do you mean if you don't

know what it was for you? Like, you didn't even give it a chance. Like, you know what I mean? And so, but I was trying to be graceful and all that. And then a year later, it all clicks on my head. And I'm like, hold on a second. This dude was nefarious. And it all just started clicking in my head. So at that point, I'm still going in there to do these deliveries. From the time that I met him to the time that I made that connection, I've been into that business tons of times and every time he was my receiver. Or if I was picking up freight at the end of the day, he was the one shipping the freight,

putting it on my truck. He was the one that did it all, shipping and receiving. I went there tons of times after I connected those dots and not one time was here. around. Every time I went in to do a delivery or to pick up freight, Jay was somewhere else. And I asked him, like, where's Jay at? And they're like, oh, he's around. Where's Jay? Oh, he's down at the other end of building. And then the last time it was, oh, he transferred. He went into a different department. He's no longer doing it. And I personally, firmly believe that whatever happened, and I don't understand, and I don't understand. I personally don't really care to understand. But I,

I personally believe that he had some kind of spiritual connection to me. And when I made that connection, he knew that I knew. And because he had some kind of connection to me, he also knew, I was pissed. I was so angry. Every time I went in there, I was like, where's Jay? Hey, buddy. Talk to him. You know where Jay's at?

I'm talking real high, trying to keep a cool. because I was mad. I was really, really mad. And I think he knew that. And I think he was avoiding me. And so I bring that whole thing up because of the way that whole story played out for you. I do wonder if there was some kind of spiritual connection to the things that were in that house. And she knew they were touched.

She knew that they were moved. She knew they were found or destroyed. And she came out at that moment. I don't know. I can believe it either way. I don't know. I look a lot of it. coincidence, but there's too much stuff

that happens in life for it to be coincidence. Yeah. But I can believe it either way, that she either just waited for it to cool down, or she was attached to whatever was in that house. I firmly believe that. I still see her. She's an evil lady.

You still see her? Yeah. Where? In our town. Oh, just about. Yeah. And she refuses to die. How old is she? Old. Really?

Probably 1700s. I don't know. No, she is a very elderly lady, but she's like, she's a very weird person because she pretends like she's very, she pretends the old lady bit, you know, and then you see her do stuff, completely by herself fine when nobody's watched, or she thinks nobody's watching. Yeah.

She definitely, she's just not, no matter what, she's not a nice person to be around. That makes you wonder if, like, she's like some kind of, like, hardcore witch that is like a couple hundred years old, and she's like, Oh, I'm such an old lady playing it up, you know. But in reality, she's like, oh, I'm fine, dude.

Like, I'm good. Nothing's impossible. Tricking that baby blood or something. Jeez. Wow. Incredible stuff. Listen, may I ask you a question. The mushroom UFO stuff.

Yeah. Did you cover that on Joel's show? Did we? I can't. I'm trying to remember. Because Joel brought it to my attention. I don't know. I think we just talked to Joel.

like outside of it. Have you talked about it anywhere yet? On our show. On your show? On your show? Yeah. Do you know what episode that is? Yeah.

Not often. I don't know the name of it. It's the fungus among us. The fungus among us? Yeah. And you don't know what the episode number is or season? It's season two episode something. Yeah.

It's somewhere in the beginning of season two. We're very young podcast. But we... Yeah. And that was our first kind of intro because Justin came up with the idea of just out of spontaneous. Oh my gosh. And he just starts texting me.

I keep screaming in the phone. They're all mushrooms. First he texts me mushrooms, mushrooms, and I don't know what's going on. I'm at work. And then I get a phone call from him, and he's just saying, they're all mushrooms. And I don't know what he's talking about. So he's like, we got to do an episode. I got this.

I came across something. I figured something out. So that's when we came across this. Or we started this idea. You started this idea. I'm very spontaneous with outburst. So I'm literally sitting at work. Like I work at a hospital now.

I'm in a kitchen by myself. I just cook for the patience. So I don't see anybody like 90% of my shift. So I'm listening to stuff and I'm like, why would they be interested in that? They're all mushroom. And I just started screaming. Yeah.

Because I'm by myself. I got headphones in. And it seems like an idea that we keep exploring like further and further. It relates to a lot of stuff. Yeah, just more and more. It's interesting. So why don't we do this?

Because I want people to go listen to it, but I had the sense that it was a bit, long thing and the fact that you spent an entire episode on. I'm looking for it right now. So while I'm looking for it, could you give a thousand foot overview of this, like, let's just call it a theory of what you have? And then I'll try to find it here. And if I can't find it here, just to let the audience know, just look in the show notes because by the time this thing airs, I will have found it and I'll put in the show notes and you can click on the link and it'll redirect you. Yeah. So basically the overview of it is we started looking in the upper

atmospheric. I believe a lot of UFOs, but a chunk of UFOs or actually organic creatures that we are seeing bioluminescence is very crazy in the open ocean. There's things called cone jellies and stuff that they look robotic. They do not look organic. People, all the time, I'm sure you've seen the video, somebody's like,

look at this UFO in the bottom of the ocean, it's that black sphere that has the flashing lights on it. That's a jellyfish. Okay. So those, that's how robotic and non-organic, an organic creature can look. The big premise is, is in 2019, NASA did a study with things, Hesterndi-like things. I used to build these things called Hesterndi's for work.

They're like bug and bacteria hotels. You build them, they have food in them. Basically, so you can collect every species in that area, like a sit-it-forget-it-trap. They think of it kind of like a mouse trap. And they put them in the upper atmosphere, expecting. So specifically, we live in the troposphere, and these were in the, a stratosphere. So above commercial flights, anything like that.

They were expecting to maybe find 14 species of life at all, and that's life. Bacteria, pretty much is all they were expecting to find. They found over 4,000, and they found every major biological clade

of life that doesn't have a spine. So plants, animal, or plants, primitive animals, bacteria, viral, fungi, are all up there. We actually just found a jellyfish cousin up there that's multicellular. So we started with the idea

of these giant manor-ray like UFOs being seen are the open ocean whales. So the upper atmospheric right now is mimicking an open ocean environment. You have these platonic-like life thousands of species, very thick life, and it's

open. So the only thing we're missing are the sharks and the whales. And I think that's what we're seeing. Some of the UFOs we're seeing are organic creatures. The fungi angle comes from the 1960s and 70s when the men in black were asking a lot of UFO abductees questions. The weird one that stuck out is they keep asking, why did you have any nitrates in the car? Why have what? Nitrates. Nitrates. So Barney Hill, specifically, I used him as an example. They asked him, did you have any nitrates in the car? And you know, Barney Hill was a postmaster. It's like, well, what the hell is a nitrate? You know, I don't see it, you know, and he's like, that man in black was like, fertilizer, hot dogs, stuff like that.

He's like, well, I did. I had 400 pounds of fertilizer in the trunk. He's like, I don't, you know, it was kind of a weird thing because he didn't really remember why he had 400 pounds of fertilizer truck. He's like, well, is it still there? Well, no, it's not. And then the men and black stopped that line of questioning. Moving on to other stuff with the abduction.

That happened several times. The one guy literally had a hot dog truck emptied of hot dogs in his abduction scenario. So Betty and Barney Hill, when they are abducted, They've seen a similar craft with similar entities, vastly different experiences. Betty got shown the cabin, got shown the maps, you know, handed a book, had a really pleasant time. Barney was borderline tortured, you know, physically and mentally. Because if they are organic, and I think in the fungi family,

that the psilocybin and stuff like that, they can, so they can leak psilocybin in their spores, they can leak psilocybin just being around them. some mushrooms even just gas it off as a defense mechanism. So when you have a still excited experience, a lot of times it's your mindset is heavily determined on it. Betty went in, she loved UFOs.

Her and her sister were obsessed with him. She went in and had a positive experience because she had the positive energy. Barney was a black man at a time where black people were not allowed to be anything. He was a postmaster in his town, and people hated him for it. He lived a very scared, tortured life. so he was already had that feeling

of people hunting him, people hurting him. So they both went into this experience, seeing the same craft, the same beings, vastly different things happened. So the working thought with the fungi thing and fungus coming many shape, sizes, varieties. It's not just mushrooms.

That's kind of the joke we always say is they're mushrooms, but they're slime molds. We'll talk about Bob in a second. Bob? Yeah, you'll love Bob. Okay. So it seems, especially in the 60s and 70s, the U.S. government specifically knew that something was targeting these people for abduction that had a lot of nitrates on them. So fungi love nitrates. If you're an upper atmospheric creature, you don't want to take on a lot of food weight because it's harder to fly. It's harder to maintain buoyancy. So nitrates are concentrated food. So 400 pounds of fertilizers like eating 4,000 pounds of other food. It's pre. It's like eating protein bars versus, you know, eating the chicken that's worth it.

It's a lot less weight for the same nutritional value. So how are they can sense that? There's a, like I said, we go into it a lot, but it kept happening. And then a lot of these UFOs seem to be organic in nature. The way they swim through like the air, they play with our jets and stuff like that. Like the Tick-Tac, that thing was, it literally reminds me the second I seen it of a dolphin playing with a steamboat. The Tick-Tac does? Yeah.

because it's so much faster and smoother and elegant. So it's like playing. I see what you're saying. This jet is slow and thug-ish compared to it. For sure. Okay. And then when I get bored, I'm gone. But the U.S. government, the nitrate thing is just so weird.

And there are mushrooms, a lot of species, a lot of fungi, love radiation. What are UFOs? A lot of UFOs are seen around nuclear warheads. They're seen around power plants. They're seeing them going through how we did a whole episode and then going through waste fields, you know,

dumps, eating the nitrate-rich water, basically. And there's a, we did a whole episode talking about that, that these UFOs

were obsessed with junkyards and these dumps. And why are they obsessed with that? It's our garbage. You know, they can find better stuff other places.

If it's feeding, it's just easy food. It's melted. It's predigested. So you can take a whole bunch up without weighing yourself down. Wow. Wow.

Wow, dude. See how his brain works? Far out. That's amazing. All right, so I did find the episode. You aired on August 22nd. It's called Living UFOs, The Fungus Among Us, Season 2, Episode 13. So people listening, a lot of people listen on either Android's or Apple.

So go to your app store. This is Crypto's of the Corn podcast. That's Cryptids of the Corn podcast, Living UFOs, The Fungus Among Us, Season 2, Episode 13, it's an hour and 10 minutes long and he goes into great depths about it. And listen,

what I find interesting is that you, for my dumb trucker podcast mind, you're a scientist, dude, and you're dabbling in these fields and you take it serious. You're 27 years old, and you talk,

very intelligently. You know what you're talking about. And I just, I, listen, I really think, like, I've been talking about this recently on my podcast and just other podcasters. We all have our own niches, you know. Mine is, I hate to say this way because there's another podcast out there, but mine is campfire stories. You know what I mean? Like, we sit around, we share stories and it's, you know, I always say that my, my goal with my show is to either entertain you, inspire you, or educate you. If I hit on all three, it's like a grand slam episode. Nobody's going to touch it kind of thing, you know? But if I can hit on least one of those three things, I feel good about what I'm doing, right? But that's what I do

with my show. And you, being this scientific mind, you bring a whole different element into it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm Tony the truck driver who would drive around, listen to these bizarre stories and just so happens to be somebody who, well, I can hold a conversation with pretty much anybody. And so that works out pretty good for podcasting, you know? And just the way my mind is made up, like, I don't really enter into conversations with agendas. And I'm finding out that's actually a pretty rare thing. Like, I don't have an agenda when I go to talk to somebody. I just, let's just talk, see what happens. You know what I mean? And so with you guys, I think, think that there's a lot of people that will have enlightening moments listening to your show because

of being able to tie in the scientific angle of things with the paranormal in a way that you're never going to get with this show because I don't think that way at all. So I think it's really cool what you guys are doing. Again, for people listening, cryptids of the corn is the podcast and specifically what we're referring to is living UFOs, The Fungus Among Us, Season 2, episode 13. Before we wrap things up, though, you tease me with it. Who's Bob?

What is Bob? So, Bob is the single largest organism to ever exist. He lives out in Oregon. So big he has a name. Yeah. Bob has an entire national park or state park on his back. What? Bob is, if you took, Bob is a mushroom.

He's one giant mushroom. He's one mushroom. He's one mushroom. And he is, if you took all of Bob's matter, and put him within like a foot thick, he'd be 2,400 acres. But he's a lot bigger than that because he's spread out. It's called mycelia networks.

Basically, everybody thinks mushrooms, the whole mushroom's that thing that pops up out of the ground. That's only the breeding body. Most of the mushrooms underground, it looks like wires or cable. That's the actual organism. And then the thing is basically think of it as fruit. The thing you see above ground is fruit.

Okay. And the rest of the tree, if you want to think of a plant, the rest of the trees underground. Bob is a type of honeycomb. mushroom, and they're known to forgetting large. There's a couple other organisms or a couple other examples of his species getting pretty big. Bob is monstrous.

The only reason they found out about Bob is Bob is integrated into every tree on his back. He's integrated into insects. He's basically they're controlling stuff to help feed him. He's running an entire ecosystem to feed himself. The reason how they found out about it is they accidentally drilled into Bob and 100 acres of trees died the next day. What? Because they cut off that section to him. And like, what the hell's happening?

They did DNA testing. Like, well, these mushrooms are identical, you know, 200 yards away. And then they're still identical. They're still identical. They mapped him out. They roughly know his size. He may be even bigger than we imagine. Wow.

And he can think faster than any computer. Basically, they don't have electromagnetic impulses like we do, or basically how our nerve system works. They don't have that. They have something different, but it's much more efficient. we're using them in computer chips now, mushrooms, because they can transfer data a lot quicker. Bob can think, quote-unquote,

faster than a blue whale can. So he can transfer... That means nothing to me. How fast is a blue whale, I think? They're mammals, so just like us. Basically, if you feel pain in your toe, how long does it take your brain to register pain and then you do something about it,

a blue whale still has that same reaction time, but just a lot bigger. So it still takes longer to run the nerve system. Something bites it on the tail. It takes longer for a... it to get, but this nerve system is still running at the same speed. Makes sense. Bob's, it's not a nerve system.

I know it's a little confusing. Bob can do it faster. And we don't understand why. And he's really old. We think roughly 40,000 years, but he's probably older. 40,000 years? What state? It's either Oregon or Washington.

I'm sure it's Oregon. I think it's Oregon. And there's two other honeycombs out there that are similar to Bob. There's Gerald, I think, is one of them. They all got goofy names. I love. it. Wow. So our plan, we want, I think next year we want to go out and like take pictures and walk on, like, walk on Bob's forest and stuff like that. So because like you, if you didn't know, you wouldn't know Bob is in there.

No. Bob is the secret ruler of that state park. And you can see his budding bodies like when they, so basically mushrooms use those, the, or fungi use the mushrooms to spread their spores. Yeah. To reproduce. So that's what you see of Bob. It's called a mycelia network. It just like, imagine it all a bunch of whole, bunch of cables that are spread out connecting every tree. 95% of trees on this plant, or plants, 95% of plants on this planet could not complete their life cycle without some kind of fungus at some point. So, fungi have, they're the oldest multicellulared organism that we know about. They've been around forever. They survived every mass extinction with spades.

They just rock it right through it because they don't, they're not animals. They're not plants. They're vastly different. they're a little mix of both with how they react. So they have had the opportunity to evolve into amazing shapes. They are in both the Arctic and the Antarctic. They're at the bottom of the ocean and they're in the upper atmosphere that we know about. There's not an environment on this planet they haven't conquered.

They literally live on the permafrost layer in the Arctic and they live in the ice in the Antarctic. So that's... Mushrooms. Mushrooms rule the world. They're the Illuminati. They will be here after we're extinct long, long after. Wow. That's incredible.

Listen, that is where we cap it. Yep. That is where we cap it. This is Cryptids of the Core podcast. We got Jay and Jason here. Justin. Justin. I keep doing it.

I'm sorry. Eric did it to you. We'll blame Eric. Did Eric do it to me? Yes. Yes. Okay. He does it to me to pick on me.

Oh, okay. That's probably what it is. No, but I have it on my notes here, Justin and Jay, but I don't have my notes from me. there we go. Justin and Jay. We have Jay and Justin. And I do appreciate you guys coming. And now, what we're about to do is record an episode that people, by the time they hear this, have it already heard. So they're like, oh, yeah, we already know. Like, oh, that's a good episode. Let me go listen back to that. I encourage you to hit play on that previous episode. Listen to the archive, guys. But before we get out of here, what would you guys like to promote as far as how can people

get a hold of you. Is there a website? Is there social media? What would you guys like to push? Our big ones, we use Facebook and Instagram, or our two really big ones. We give away stuff constantly. So we give away stuff constantly. Both of those. People send us a lot of stuff to give away on the show. So there's always free stuff to be had. And we interact every Tuesday morning at 9 o'clock. On Facebook, we have a live show where people can just pop in, talk to us, and we talk back for an hour and kind of get it's our day going before we record episodes. And some of our best ideas because people were like so excited to get in that. but yeah, we're on every podcast platform.

We don't have a website yet, hopefully soon. And we do have Patreon. Oh, yeah, the Patreon. That's Patreon. Patrons, people picked. They picked their own episodes, and it works out a lot better for us because it's a lot easier.

What's the Patreon? Like, what's the website? Crypts of the Corn. It's a... So Patreon.com slash cryptos of the corn? Okay, gotcha. And what do you guys do for the patrons? Basically, they pick their episodes,

whether it's a cryptid or a spiritual thing or whatever they want to talk about. We do a game show on there. and they freaking love it. Really? And we don't enjoy doing it as much as they enjoy listening. But I think that's partially why they keep picking it. That's cool.

That's really cool. Well, this is Cryptos of the Corn, guys. I appreciate you being here, and I highly encourage people to check you guys out. Check out that episode. The Fungus Among Us, right? Yeah. What was it? What I say was, season two episode 13?

Yes. Yeah. So check that out and then binge on the rest of their archive and per usual with this show. When we promote other podcasters, we encourage you to go to, if you're especially if your Apple users, go to Apple Podcast, look up their show, give them a five-star rating review, show some love, and then hit play. All right, friends, listen, until next week,

stay safe, take care, and remember, the truth will set you free, but first we'll piss you off. Bye. Because that's what warrior's doing.