The Confessionals - 496: The Mothman Curse

Episode Date: November 22, 2022

In Episode 496: The Mothman Curse, we are joined by Cody Alford. He is a relatively new listener, as he found the show through Episode 468: The Oak Ridge Dogman Portals and realized that he lived very close to Merkel Media HQ. He reached out to see if I needed any help in the audio production department because that is what he does for a living, having worked worked on popular TV shows and movies as a sound design engineer. Through talking with him I learned that he is into paranormal investigating and has a bit of a haunted family past. His parents are from Point Pleasant, West Virginia and it is said they are cursed because of their family lineage being from Point Pleasant. He joins Episode 496 for a conversation about his life and what kinds of paranormal things he and his family have gone through. Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinVisit Merkel Media: merkel.mediaSPONSORSGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!GET Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5GET ExpressVPN: www.expressvpn.com/confessGET Uncommon Goods: www.uncommongoods.com/tony for 15% off your purchaseCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaITikTok: @theconfessionalsDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube: https://bit.ly/3yH4kvGApple Music: https://apple.co/3nDfsU1Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3nErEUIAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel Media's here This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long, boning fingers reach up underneath the door curl up to grab it and then disappear

When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me The giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen And he starts running and firing up this giant With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated.

Over, and there are two push, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody, listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at the Confessionals podcast. That's the Confessionals at the confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section.

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all that exclusive content. All right, today we got a great show plan for you is because we have an in-studio guest, and every time I have an in-studio guest, it's just a little bit more fun. Cody, how you doing, man? Good, man. How are you? Man, I'm glad you're here, dude.

You're a local guy, obviously that's why you're here, and you recently just started listening to the show. The first episode you heard was, what did I call that episode? Was it a dogman or portals of Oak Ridge, something like that, I believe? That's right. And you told me that you actually came through those portals into the other. And you're like, here I am and I want to talk to you. Yeah, it's weird. I came over and I was doing some research for my people.

And I heard your investigations. I had to come in and kind of quieting you down. Yeah, yeah. You popping in, get me rain back in. No, but it's funny because, you know, you heard that show and it spawned, you know, you're listening and reaching out and stuff. And what I find interesting is that you're me only better. So we're talking to a guy who professionally does audio for a living, and I'm just like a guy who learned as I went. Well, I don't know if anybody would call me a professional, especially not my wife.

I try to be. I would say I've been screwing up a lot for the last 10 years, so I learned how to do things, right? Well, more than 10 years, probably 20, 25 years. I've been in audio. There's been a lot of mistakes that I've learned from, and I had some opportunities. Some really awesome people give me some opportunities to mess up or do good,

and you know, you try to excel from those things. But, yeah, man, I've dove head first into the audio world when I was younger, and I've really looked back. So you've done audio, you do video, you do a lot of stuff, and you worked for different, they were like, they were TV shows, right? I worked for the production companies that did the TV shows. Pretty much we build the shows from start to finish, and then we sell those to the networks.

And there are a lot of true crime-related, some reality, a little bit of everything, stuff that definitely kept us busy. I actually helped grow a local company. I was there for a little over a decade. We grew, our production team was very small to start and we ended up helping grow that place into the nation's largest producer of true crime TV shows.

The most hours, I think, put into that kind of murder, murdered death kill type shows. How was that for you? You know, at first it was really fun getting that creativity. We started getting busy and the creativity kind of took us a backseat

and then the crunch came in and tell you what, looking at dead bodies for that long. It kind of gets a little unhealthy on your mind. I can imagine. I even doing the paranormal, the conversations and stuff, sometimes it gets in your head. And, you know, like, I'm more of a conspiratorial-type-minded person to begin with.

I kind of look at the world and, like, I don't trust a whole lot, you know? And so doing this stuff, it kind of gets in my head. And there's times that I'll think I'm experiencing something. And I'm like, hold on a second. Am I experiencing something? Or is this just because I'm at the studio at 3 o'clock in a morning? And I just talked to this person who told me how they were raped by a demon or something. You know, I'm like running no caffeine and no sleep.

Yeah. But it kind of gets to you. So I know you mentioned to me in the email. And you've mentioned to me before we were recording. that kind of stuff got to you and you had to kind of move away from that kind of content because it was messing with your head a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it got really heavy. I actually met my wife there.

And when she first started, it was the same thing. She was all gung-ho and she excelled really far. She climbed a lot further than I did. She's a better person all around than I am. But even with her, you know. So now it makes sense. Because you said that your wife says that you're not, you wouldn't be a professional. So you're saying your wife is in the same field as you.

Yeah. I got you. And you're saying she's better than me. So that's, I got it now. I got it. I mean, also, she's just, you know, she helps raise our, well, she pretty much raises our two-year-old. Yeah. You know, on her back, he doesn't let me do a whole lot.

He's definitely a mom's boy. Yeah. It's always amazing seeing a woman raise a son, have a child and then raise it. But, yeah, it got really heavy on us, man. It was COVID hit. We were working from home. and we had this infant. And, you know, we were at home all the time,

so we didn't really think daycare was going to be a good thing. We used that opportunity to stay with him. But, you know, he's sitting on our lap and we're working, and, you know, there's somebody's got 12 gunshot wounds in them. It just, it's not really healthy. And we both kind of look to each other, and we're like, all right, let's try and do something else. So, yeah, I kind of went back to, I guess, my roots, investigating. and trying to do as much work in the paranormal realm as I could.

It kind of lucked out. I left that company and started freelancing and doing my own stuff. And there was an opportunity from some people that I knew that had left the same company and started another production company doing not murder. So they finally reached out to me when work was picking up. And the first thing that they had come up was a paranormal, you know, America's, you know, haunted visitation. Like, where would you want to go for a ghost hunting holiday kind of experiment?

And it was fun to get back into something that I was interested in and something that I could actually, you know, be. So you visit a lot of places. Yeah, yeah. It was a long trip. The first one that we did, it was a month. He was a month and a half long. And there's a lot of being on the road. There was little flying and mostly driving and went all the way up the East Coast.

Lizzie Borden Hotel, Sleepy Hollow, Trans-Elegany Lunatic Asylum, which I don't know, it's pretty faux pot to say now. But it's that's, you know, they stuck with the name that was, that was a pretty wild place. And all the way down to Florida, San Augustine. There were a couple in there that were, you tell, like, probably the network's ideas because you get there and you're like,

well, this isn't that scary, but we'll enjoy it. We went to, what is the name of the lake in Georgia? Lady in the Blue Dress. Oh, that sounds real familiar, Christian. Lady in the Blue Dress in Georgia.

Christian, can you turn up his microphone sensitivity a little bit? I think I have the noise gate a little too strong, but if you turn the sensitivity up, it'll be fine. It goes. But so, what you said about the corporate side of like is their

idea kind of thing on certain spots. That's how I feel about a place in Pennsylvania called East State Penitentiary. Everybody loves it. I've been there and I'm just like this seems very commercially and just very hokey. Yeah. Because the first time I went there I was like

oh yeah, we're about to get in it and I'm walking around like want womwomp, you know? I will say there was a big and going into some of the stuff, you know, you feel like some of them might be tourist traps. It might be something that's just leading people in. Yeah.

Because it had a story at one point. And I kind of kept my reservations about a lot of it, but there were some things that happened to us, which was enough to keep me on my toes and then give me goosebumps every once in a while. So that was, I guess, a change of mind, I guess, not what I expected. We went into Trans Elagani,

went through the whole place, during the day. It was about two or three o'clock in the morning, I think, when we went. And, you know, they show us, this is where they did the lobotomies, which if you don't know the history behind Trans-Eleganty and the history of lobotomies, that was pretty much not necessarily the birthplace, but where the majority of them happened.

And a lot of really dark, messed up history happened there. You know, pretty much anybody, if they, you know, their wife, they disagreed with their wife at all. They can send them there. And, you know, but, you know, put them under whatever generic blanket problem that the doctors back then wanted to say they had, and then they got lobotomized. Jeez. Yeah, and not just the women, the kids, anybody.

There was some cool history about that place because it was so old. I believe it held the largest amount of a, I want to say it's limestone. It's a certain type of stone that's known to be really conductive for paranormal activity. Yeah. Besides the, sorry, I'm having a blank, the Russian, the big Russian assembly federal building. I'm not sure. I can't think of the name of it now. It's the Kremlin.

Oh, the Kremlin. Yeah, yeah. So the Kremlin is number one in the world for having this large amount of this stone. Trans-Eleganty is number two. So I'm pretty sure limestone is, I think in Kentucky, which isn't far from here. I'm seeing this is in West Virginia, right? Yeah, West Indies. So in Kentucky, I think that there's the largest amount of deposit of limestone in the country.

I thought that's, I thought that sounds right. There's a lot of limestone mining there, even down here. Yeah, I was just going to say, driving by out towards the Oak Ridge area, I think, off, it's not 40, I forget, but you see the mines right off the road there. It's just like, wow, and they're huge. Yeah, they're massive, absolutely massive. So there's some where they've, again, I think I know the one you're talking about this right off the road, kind of like the back way to get where a lot of the Y12 and ORL workers get to work. It seems like it's expanded a lot.

And it's like, I wonder what they're doing like down there. Yeah. I'm working on trying to figure that out. They're doing something. Yeah, I've got, you know, I've got friends that have worked there, their families have worked there, generational workers. that their whole lives, you know, that's O'RNL, Y12, I think K-K21, I think K, whatever the other one is. But, you know, you hear stories. He tells me one specific friend that I have that used to be out in the woods, a lot of he would do a lot of landscaping and exterior maintenance for Y12.

It always tells me about areas that they specifically cannot go, and they've got guards 24-hour out in these mountains in the woods. It's like, where do you guard you now? What kind of experiments could possibly be going on? He tells me he hears stuff. So who's guarding it? They have armed guards. The government, you know, they have security working. They're out there guarding?

These buildings, you know, he says there, some of them are mounds. They have, like, foliage over them. They have, like, concrete doorway, like, almost like, multiple bunkers. Okay. They have constant guard around them. It's like, you know, it could be nuclear materials that they're guarding, or it could be a portal to, you know. We'll go with portal.

Yeah. We'll go with portal. I like that one better. Nuclear technology is so old. Yeah. I have that, uh, the name of the lake in Georgia. Lake Lanier. Yes, Lanier.

Lanier. That's the one. So it says it's estimated that over 20 cemeteries were disturbed. They were either, they either flooded it with water or the ones that they did know about, they exhumed the bodies and reburied them. So part of the local lore says that the spirit, that were disturbed by the creation of this lake. They're wreaking havoc on all these people swimming.

That's just the urban legend. I talked about the lady in blue. In 1958, there was a woman named Delia May Parker Young that drowned in the lake. And when her body was recovered, she was missing her hands. It's not unnatural. Hands in the feet are the first thing to go. It's just thin ligaments holding those together.

So fish predation cycle, a lot of drowning victims are found missing those. But interesting thing, a lot of people who are not familiar with that story will report. They'll call the police talking about seeing a woman walking around with blue hands or a blue dress missing her hands. Gosh, I feel like I heard this. I forget, Christian, who's the guy that wrote that book that I have in my bag about the Skinwalker Ranch in, was Alabama? I think it was. Do you remember? I don't know.

I forget. I was listening to this guy and I bought the book and I saw it and read it. But there's like this Skinwalker Ranch of the South type area. I feel like he was talking about this whole thing. Yeah,

so it's, I mean, it's, Trey Hudson? Yes. Okay. Thank you. It's fairly,

I guess, common knowledge in the area now, or I guess pop culture. I think there's a band that wrote a small, a couple bands that wrote songs about them. There's poem, poetry.

Lake Lanier was actually, I can't remember the author's name, but it was named a poet from Georgia. I can't remember his first name, his last name was Lanier. It's named after him. But about building,

about the cemeteries getting moved, the Army Corps of Engineers were behind Lake Lanier. And if you do any kind of research on American, besides the TVA, arm corps engineers were behind a lot of stuff like that, a lot of missing people and a lot of burial mountains and cemeteries getting disturbed for that kind of stuff. of course, not going to go too far down the rabbit hole,

but if it's the government's involved, do you know, there's normally nothing good. That's going to happen. I agree. Yeah. So you doing these, this, I don't, I don't, it's a show, right? Or it's like a docu-series. It's a show, this one specific.

It's like a reality of TV show. Yes. Yeah. Gotcha. But I've worked on a couple different things. Sure. Some recent stuff that's come out, some stuff I can't really talk about because of NDAs that haven't been, hasn't come out yet. All of it being primarily focused around the paranormal and cryptids and all kinds of cool stuff that I can kind of nerd out on.

So, and that's your, that's your wheelhouse. Yeah, that's, that's, okay. Yeah, that's what I love to. So I grew up, Marival Native grew up in this area, East Tennessee area. My family's from Point Pleasant, spent a lot of time up there when I was probably, seven or eight, I would go to the Hayes Hotel and do, you know, quote, unquote, paranormal investigations with a little, you know, one of those wind-up cameras and my cousin and go take pictures of orbs. So it was from a young age. I was kind of sucked into it. That's cool.

Yeah, I grew up with a very superstitious little stubborn Hungarian grandmother who taught me how to count crows and taught me the importance of premonitions and her dreams. I would get phone calls at 12 o'clock in the night from her, be like, are you okay? Where are you at? Like, what's going on? Really? Like, I'm sleeping. She's like, oh, I just had a really bad dream. And then something will happen to somebody else in the family. Wow. Yeah. So I kind of got hooked at a young age for the strange.

So this is something that really wasn't foreign to you and your family as far as these things goes. Because, I mean, like, your lineage is from Point Pleasant, which is bonkers. What's interesting is that we're recording this on a Thursday, and literally today my member show, the woman I talked to, her lineage is from Point Pleasant. We briefly talked about it as well. It's wild, man. I'll tell you what, since I sent that email in,

I've had so many synchronicities relating to either what I talked about in the email or something that happened to me on that day or around that time that's related to, whether it be owls, which was talked to a listen to the dark caller. episode. I remember what episode number that was, but that was bright before I was supposed to come in. We had to reschedule for some things, but I was getting goosebumps listening to it. The chief of Point Pleasant, you know, the curse that's supposedly related to there and part of the Mothman prophecy, we were told growing up not to say his name. Every time somebody in my family

said his name, something about what happened. I recall one specific time where my uncle who's now dead because he thought it was hilarious to say his name, I guess. Not directly, he had gout. But, yeah, he was the one that would always stir things up. And we were setting outside on my grandfather's front porch, and he had started talking about the curse and I think the courthouse. And no later, probably two seconds after he said, his name, there was a loud thunder clap.

And it just opened, the skies opened up and started pouring. I was like, okay, I believe this stuff now. So there was a lot of that, a lot of getting taught what to step around. I remember being, you know, around that age, I would spend summers up there with my grandparents and my grandmother would have the newspaper clippings from back then, from all the sightings. She has seen him a couple of times. My grandfather, so their house is at the very end of one of the bigger neighborhoods in Point Pleasant, pretty much a dead end road.

In front of their house is a railroad track, and behind the railroad track is where the government stockpile for coal. minerals, all that stuff was. And there was one specific coal mound. I remember looking out of their window and seeing, and that was always kind of creepy, but my grandfather swore so many times that he would see red eyes sitting on top of it. So that was always on the back of my mind

in the back of my mind in the front of my mind when I was up there to be careful about what you say and kind of way to go out at night. So the culture up there, I'm never spending any time in Point Pleasant. I haven't even been to the Malthmaian Festival but back then

what was the ratio of people who were aware of this and actually believed it versus I think there was a lot of hype behind it I think a lot of people kind of got onto the newspaper bandwagon and then there were people that started coming out and like serious

people that you wouldn't just you know mayors and And my grandfather's best friend was Shorty. He was the sheriff at the time. I remember Shorty's name, him and Polly. They were like, you know, the faces of Point Pleasant. They reported seeing him multiple times. Anybody who would go down towards the Nitro area,

which, you know, people that know about Point Pleasant and the Mothman, that's like his home stomping grounds, I guess. It's where most of the sightings originally happened in the 60s. So these are people that, were not seeking attention. There were people that were not going to say something if it was going to ruin their reputation. So I think the media kind of stirred it up a little bit,

but I also think that there were actual sightings, and people were serious about it, you know. There was, I recall, I don't remember what year it was, but I remember my grandfather telling me about a man who pretty much walked down the middle of winter and froze to death because the mothman told him to walk out. I don't remember if that's part of the movie. I haven't watched that The Mothman Prophecies movie in a while,

but that was one of the first, like, really serious tales surrounding the mothman that I remember. My grandfather was supposed to be on this. He would have been on the silver bridge the day that it collapsed. He had decided that he was going to turn back and go home because he was. sick. My grandfather was, I mean, just like everybody else back then, he was very stubborn and didn't want to look like a weak man ever. So he never took any sick days, except for this one. And about five minutes after he turned around and got home, that's when they heard that the bridge collapsed. He, my grandfather has actually got a pretty cool story. He grew up in the area. He

pretty much built all of the roads up there, all the mountain roads, all the major roads. He worked for the county, um, building. Pretty much all the infrastructure, uh, or the, the roads to get the infrastructure into Point Pleasant and the surrounding areas. So he met a lot of people. They all had stories and you got to know quite a bit of all the high strangers that happened in that area. So I got passed down to me eventually, but my father, he moved down here. I think, I want to say he was probably in his mid-20s, uh, when him and my mom married and they moved down here. And since then, there was always something that happened around us that was

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Uncommon goods. We're all out of the ordinary. The house I lived in when I was born was right next to, it was an alcoa was right next to the airport. So I got to, you know, one of my fondest memories was seeing the Blue Angels when I was younger for all the air shows flying right over the house. Yeah. We always had some weird stuff go on there. Our house was kind of, it was two-story, kind of split, four-year type setup. And the bedrooms are on the far end of the house on the ride if you're looking at it.

and there was a patio on the left side. And there was a bathroom. Mine was facing the front of the house. My parents was on the, their bedroom was on the opposite side, and in front of their bedroom was a bathroom. And I don't remember my age. I don't remember when it started happening. I just remember specifically every night at midnight,

the toilet would flush, just by itself, flush. And my parents thought it was hilarious that, you know, we got a prankster ghost. Yeah. You know, just continued my dad. I'd stayed up one night, watched the toilet plunger or the handle. Really? Yeah.

And it just never went away. It happened every night. Wow. Did you ever stay up to do it to watch that? Back then, I was so, I mean, I'm still like, I get goosebumps thinking about some of the dumb stuff that I did back then. Yeah. This is very early into opening the door into the paranormal. So I was being a little baby about it, but, you know, what do you do?

There was a moment where my dad woke up in the middle of the night. He heard some voices downstairs. So he went downstairs to go investigate. My mom was, you know, just kind of surveying the upstairs. I don't recall waking up. I don't think they woke us up at all. My sister was an infant at this point. My mom said she looked down the hallway into that outdoor patio,

and the screen door was closed, but the storm door was, or the door itself was open. She saw a glowing white dog and don't know where it came from or why it was there, because we have a gate, a four-foot gate that was closed, and we didn't have a dog at that point. She said she saw the dog, and she walked up to the door. My dad was downstairs looking around to see who was in the house. And when she turned around to yell at my dad, dad said the voices stopped, and she turned around and the dog was gone.

There's always, she thinks it was a guardian angel or some kind of spirit that was trying to protect us from whatever is downstairs. There's a lot of theories that my family was kind of thrown about that kind of stuff. There was a lot of that repeating the voices downstairs in that house. Then we moved to LaFalette. Well, the voices in the basement, you guys never... It never got resolved. It never stopped. But it wasn't every night like the,

it was. It was sporadic. It went once a month, twice a month. Gotcha. I was thinking it was every night. I was like, God. Like, I would be driven mad. Yeah.

Yeah. My dad, especially, my father, I don't think he could have handled it. I don't think many people could. Yeah. I do believe that there were something that either followed him or was in these houses. Because my dad's a great guy, but there were points where he had something dark in him. I think it was whatever that was. Really? Yeah, taking control of him. And I mean, he says it to this day.

What do you think that is? Like, why do you think your dad had something dark in him? I think that it has something to do with Point Pleasant. Really? So you think it's involving the curse and stuff, not dad, I don't know, like some demon in the middle of the woods? No, I mean, he doesn't really say anything about his youth, so maybe he did something really stupid. I don't know, but I guess there's no telling. So we moved to the new house and the fallout, and there was even more weird stuff that happened there. We had handprints in the corners of walls

where the wall met the ceiling that were flat between the two, and we'd paint them, and they'd always come back. Voices again in the downstairs bedroom. My sister, this is after I moved out. I moved out and came back down to Knoxville to go to school with my grandparents. My sister said that she was up there one day by herself, and she walked into my parents' room, which is connected to the kitchen to get the vacuum cleaner.

And she walked back out, all the cabinets were opened. And this happened multiple times with whatever was deciding to play tricks on her there. And then I had probably the scariest event that I could relate to happen to me when we were in that house. This was after my grandfather from Poiplaz. It came down and visited with us. And the next morning, after the first night they got there, he woke up and told us,

he asked us who that was outside on the patio with the bright lights. Dad was like, I don't know what you're talking about. They were down there for, I think a week, and it happened three times. Nobody knew. I mean, nobody was out there that we knew of. We didn't hear any knocks. But after that, my mom started seeing whatever she's all in the sky. She says a UFO is something flying, and she would be out.

The house was on, I think, 11 acres, so it took a while to mow. And she was mowing the front area next to the road. And she looked up and saw it kind of hovering. And it was not fairly close to her, but it was probably a couple hundred feet in the air. That's like an hour north of here, roughly? Yeah, it's about 40 minutes. It's close to the Middlesbrough, to the state line from Tennessee and Kentucky. Gotcha.

After she saw that, after my grandfather said that he saw somebody out on the porch, I remember riding my bike. So this house is desolate. I mean, it was out in the middle of nowhere on a place called Indian Creek. we were the only people on that road so much that they named it. They could name it after our family. So I would go up. That was probably maybe half a mile from our driveway at the end of our driveway to the front

of the neighborhood. So I would drive or ride my bike up and down all day during the summers when I was a kid. And right as the driveway meets the road across the way, it's just, it's all woods, but there's a really thick area. Looks like a deer bed or something. I remember coming back around dusk to come home for dinner, and I just see two red glowing eyes in that little thick area. I thought it was probably a fox,

or maybe just the light hitting a deer or something like that. So I didn't think much of it, and it kind of creeped me out. I always got a really weird feeling about that area, mainly just because it's woods, and woods always freaked me out. I remember like Blair Witch Project coming out around that time. I was like, I don't want anything to do with it. That was based in Maryland, I think. Yeah.

And then that was apart from where I was growing up. It's like, I'm never going in the woods. To this day, I'm like, I don't know if I want to go to the Anderodex or not. I'll take the Appies. Yeah, I hear you. Of course, I guess we got our own weirdness here too. Tons. Tons.

I love it here. Yeah. So we, you know, days go by. and I saw it a couple more times. It was always in the same spot, and that's what made me even more weirded out about it, or made me start to get weirded out about it. And one day I came down the driveway.

The driveway was at like a 40% grade. It was really steep, and I came down at flying at normal. I can just break late and, you know, cut and go up the hill and helps me push because of the rest of the road to hill. And apparently that didn't work. And I flew over and into close,

right next to that thicket, went over the handlebars and kind of laid there for a second like man this sucks this isn't fun at all and I hear something stomping behind me like running you know normally if you hear it deer it's it's light you know they're very light and nipple and this was heavy like heavy footprints or heavy footsteps stomping really fast and I got immediately set up and I turned around and didn't see anything but I felt like something was right there like on my neck So I got up and got out there as quickly as I got it and made sure I never went down in that area again. And it was until later that I kind of, I tried in my head to make the connection between the Mothman and whatever that was just because of the red eyes.

That was the only thing that connected in my head, which kind of furthered my conspiracy theory that, you know, whatever curse that was involved with the town followed us down there. There's a lot of people that say Bigfoot has red eyes. Yeah, I thought about that to you because, so, so. the end of our property line, we were completely surrounded by woods, the end of the property line was was completely wooded. And then on the other side of that,

probably about 200 feet was water. I was like, that would be a perfect area for Bigfoot. Yeah. This whole area. I mean, I know I've said on the show before, but I literally

am stunned at the culture in this area when it comes to Bigfoot. Yeah. I mean, it's just everywhere. Yeah, it is. I mean, there's a lot of people like to believe because it's better to believe that there is something out there. Sure.

There's so many people that have seen it or have stated to see it. It's like, how can it not be, you know? Let me ask you. I don't want to fear off your stories here, but this is something that I really wanted to ask somebody. You grew up around here. You're around the same age as me. I'm 37. You're 34.

And growing up around here, you grew up before finding Bigfoot was on TV. Yeah. What was the conversation like around here when it comes to Bigfoot before it became part of pop culture? I mean, he was here. Really? Yeah, there were stories all over the place about it. It wasn't because I see it more on TV now than I did back then. It doesn't change the fact that it was always a hot topic in the area.

Yeah. It was always something that people talked about. It was, I'm trying to think if I've had anybody in my family that said that they've had sightings. Lakes, it always seems to be lakes that everybody that I talked to or have heard stories from the areas. It's always next to the lakes. I think one person, I don't remember who it was, but I remember hearing a story of somebody saying they saw him down on the river, down, like downtown Knoxville. Really? Yeah.

So, I mean. So, I mean, there's so much water around here. It would make sense that that is a spot that people would see it, you know, just the water source, you know? And because there's so much water here, I'm finding out that a lot of people travel to this area for the water, sports, the fishing, all that stuff. So it does kind of make sense. I don't know. I always wanted to see Bigfoot. I've heard Bigfoot.

I've never seen Bigfoot. and maybe my chances have increased since I moved here. I guarantee if you look for him, you'll get some evidence around here because it's so often that you hear of somebody saying they see something or hear something hearing a call or somebody knocking. It's,

and you back to the water thing without going too far into Bigfoot. There seems to be like two sides of people with Bigfoot. Those who think he's a natural evolutionary step in humans or in a species, and then there are people who think he's paranormal, that he's a dimensional walker. And there's people like me who are like Bigfoot fluent,

and we just go with both. Yeah, that's why can't be both, you know? But if that's the case, then water is known to be a conductor for activity, right? So it would make sense besides everybody's going to drink. So it just makes sense that with the amount wildlife, the amount of area. And even in the smokies, the smokies are busy. The people come from all over the world to visit, but they visit Cates Cove. There's so much, that park is huge.

I've heard of it. I've never been there yet. Yeah. It's that big, huh? It's massive. There's some awesome trails. It's beautiful. If you really want to experience the mountains, you want to experience what? I have to do that. Yeah. Interesting. That's great. So let's get back on topic here. I didn't want to... I'm, like, totally, like, ADHD to the max. I am too. It makes me really hard. You know, we're talking about... I go all other places.

I'm like, wait, what were we talking about? So literally, what were we talking about? Stories, paranormal stories. It kind of ends there for my young life. I'm in the Jacksboro house. I mentioned my dad being... Having whatever darkness that was, it got to a breaking point there where, like,

we were kind of scared to be around them. So I wanted to go to school in Knoxville, which I don't know why, because it was so busy, but I thought I'd get a better education down there. I had more friends in Knoxville, so I moved down here with my grandparents. And all the activities seemed to stop, or at least slow down to the point where I don't note if anything major happening. We in between then we traveled quite a bit So my dad had a He says right at the beginning of us moving to the fallout He owned a shop down in Knoxville

A mechanic shop And one day he just decided he didn't want it anymore And sold it sold a house And we traveled everywhere west in the Mississippi For about two years So I got to see everything It would have been a lot cooler if I wasn't 12 years old And so it was like a nomadic lifestyle.

Yeah. Wow. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it was. It seems cool. It was fun for me being, getting to see Mount Rushmore. Yeah.

I mean, I saw everything from from that to like a pimp arguing with, with a prostitute and Reno, you know. So, but we saw some crazy stuff then, you know, lights in the sky and lights close to the campgrounds, that kind of stuff. but it was something I would have appreciated a lot more if I wasn't with my family my mom and dad and my little sister when I was 12 was like the last place I wanted to be

but you know there's still a lot of it that I really liked and seeing you know lights over water and Utah hearing stories of Bigfoot and like having the chance to go into the cascades and try and look for them

that was fun I've tried to pack as much high strangeness and weird as I can into my life whenever I can. Yeah. Wow. So you are now in life you're doing what you're doing, but you, the TV show that you, the reality show, is that the show that you caught that EVP on? Yeah, so the most recent one, which hasn't come out yet, we were doing an interview and the Lizzie

board and hotel with one of the curators there, or the tour guides, we should say. We went through the whole place. They stopped all the tours for the next couple hours for us. So nobody was around except us. We started at the bottom where they found the bodies. They did the odd because back then they didn't really have cold rooms for bodies. So they did autopsies on top of kitchen counters.

That was kind of the normal. So we did an interview around that, walked around, went upstairs to the little girl's room where they used to laugh and play and she had the tour guide had actually just mentioned about how the kids could be seen laughing in this area and all of a sudden I hear like little girls laughing as I'm running the boom and I start getting goosebumps and I look at my field producer like you know like what's going on and he's like what this is a point of my ears and so I didn't want to stop make make them stop roll so I just kept recording listening to this and kind of faded in and out and after we stopped

that take. It grabbed him. I mean, you've got to listen to this. I don't know what it was, but keep it so we can throw it in the show and listen to it, make sure I'm not crazy. So we looked around the window right next to it to make sure there was no kids outside or anything. So he sent it to a couple of the showrunners back here in Knoxville, and they're all like, yeah, that's good little girls left. So that was the first. That was early on in the scary tour. And then we went, I will say, you know, we're talking about Trans-Elegany. being kind of kitschy, but we were there all day, and by the time we get to the nighttime, they take us to the part where they don't take normal tours, and they don't really have it off.

Off limits is the prison, and apparently they had some pretty gnarly dudes in here. And then we started getting rocks thrown at us and hearing whispers, and that was... So the two tour guides that we had were talking about how they've had multiple instances, of doppelgangers and, you know, feelings of tightness around the throat and that kind of stuff. So when we started getting the rocks thrown at us, the torque got, it was like, yeah, you guys, you know, you might want to head out because it's probably going to get uncomfortable. And that's what I was like, okay, let's just walk out. So everybody else, I got everybody else out from upstairs.

And I stayed up there for about as long as I was comfortable and recorded some audio. So that said, are you like the only one on the crew that is, a paranormal dude. Yeah, you know, so a couple of the guys, so there was five of, yeah, well, four of us in a PA, and the PA just varied between where we are. The PAs were more believing, I think, than the rest of the crew.

They were kind of skeptical, but I think, I think a few of them were kind of skeptical. They just wanted to stay skeptical in case anything did happen. They could just write it off and, you know, not have to say that they dealt with something they can't explain. Yeah. So I was always very very adamant about

letting me record room tone and that's and you guys go downstairs or go somewhere else so I can record this by myself and you know you can you'll have room tone which anybody who edits like that's you need that all over a show so I'm doing my job and I'm also doing

something fun and if I catch EVPs then they've got something that's going to create good content in the show Yeah. So, yeah, I was always the one pushing for that kind of stuff. But I think by the end of it, I think a couple of them had their eyes opened a little bit. Yeah. Especially after that, the Lizzie Borden, which is kind of cheesy to say because it's Lizzie Borden, you know,

and whether or not the place is actually haunted can be debated. But we heard something, and I can't explain it that easily. So I'm going to stick to saying it was an EBB. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it was, it was, it was an event. It was a fun event for sure. But yeah, I was the only one who really wanted to push for that kind of stuff at the beginning. So I don't know if we ever do another one, which I hope we do.

Maybe I'll get them a little more amped up for it. Are you, are you like a paranormal investigator at all when it comes to this stuff outside of doing it for work? So I try to be with having a two-year-old and, and, working as much as I can. I don't really have the time like I used to. When I do, I go and I record EVP or try to record EVP. I'll run cameras, do anything that I can either by myself with a year that I have or I'll try and get together with people that I know, either from the past or, you know, reach out, there's forums where, you know, people are crazy enough to meet random strangers and go sit in dark, dark rooms. I'm not one of those. Yeah. Well,

My problem is I don't like to do Ouija boards and antagonize. And it's been really hard for me because I want to do it the right way. And, you know, what's the right way to you? Right way to me is not. And let me say this first off. I'm not a perfect Christian. I'm not a perfect man in any way. I've struggled with Christianity with my religion since I was a kid.

but I do not want to start away from what the Bible tells me not to do as far as opening portals and doing things. But if they open, jump through them. Well, I've got another one. I've got a catch after the interview. Perfect. Can I come? Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, there's the aspects of just what my gut tells me not to step on and not to tread on because there's some things you can't take back,

but there's also that spot where it's like, okay, I want to be as much of a, I don't want to say proper Christian, but I want to do things the right way, you know. Yeah. I'll tell you, with our new docu-series we're coming out with in 20203, Shadow Appalachia,

we are kind of tackling paranormal investigative investigation like that in the sense that we're all Christians. One's a pastor, and we don't do Ouija boards. we're basically doing paranormal investigative things and we're developing I shouldn't say I

it is a we thing but it's mainly Richie from Soar and Staff podcast he is we're going to be developing investigative techniques around our convictions and it should we believe it's going to

yield more results than what you see on TV. And because we're not, like you and I and Christian were talking about earlier about being handcuffed by the industry and stuff, because we're not handcuffed, we're going to be able to show people what we actually uncover.

And I really believe that we're going to, like, it literally might lead to more wild nights doing it this way than any other way could have been. It's kind of like more flies with honey. Yeah. You know, it is, it makes, you think you have to get creative if you want to do things, um,

not the enticing way. If you, if you don't antagonize spirits or if you don't, um, want to be intrusive because I mean, people do it because they get reactions, you know, you hear people poke ghost or call them out and,

come fight me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, man, all right, we get it. But I don't, there's no easy way. There's no, like, set rule book for doing this. Like,

the Christian way, there's no that way of saying. Yeah. You can do this. This is a good way to, you know, if you want to speak to a ghost at this time, you know, there's just not a lot of investigation that gets done that way. So I think that's a really, really awesome

avenue to take and it's going to stretch your minds a lot. Tell me. And we're going to be doing it at an ancient at an ancient, at an ancient site. Yeah. just think serpent-bound, undiscovered, but discovered now.

Yeah. That's where we're going. So you're going to have plenty of activity. Oh, like, this is like the, from what I'm understanding, like, the epicenter of why Point Pleasant, West Virginia, this area has so much craziness. It's like, we're talking old ancient gods. And we're going to go, we're going to go fight them. I'm going to bring my stick. My ancient gods did, fighting state.

Yeah, I'm going to bring my staff. I'm going to fight you like Moses fought the sorcerers, Pharaoh sorcerers. Yeah. I'm going to be turning my staff into a snake. And, you know, it's going to be awesome. And people are going to say it's witchcraft. I'm like, no, it's Jesus. No, it's Jesus.

It's Jesus craft. Jesus craft. Oh, my gosh, that's funny. Do you have any paranormal things happening now around you, like at home or anything? like this curse that supposedly follows your family. So I will say since I've reached out to you, since I listened to the podcast, the Dark Haller podcast,

and the chief's name was mentioned. Which I don't know if you said it earlier, but you're not going to mention it. Yeah, I'm not going to say it. I don't. I got like two hips replaced because of this. I'm not doing it again. So the last time I mentioned it was when I was working at this last production company,

someone who was wearing a mothman shirt. I was like, oh, hey, I'm from, my family was from Point Pleasant. We started talking about it, and they were asking about curses and all that, and I just let it slip. And I was feeling kind of palsy that day, too. And, you know, it's like, I have it trained in my brain to not even think about the name. But when I said it, but a week later, I was playing soccer, and all of a sudden I couldn't run. So I go to the doctor. I just turned 30.

And they're like, yeah, you've got a vascular necrosis in your hip. We're going to have to replace it. Like, what? So I'm, whether it's real or not, or that's just coincidence. I don't care. I'm not taking a risk. Yeah. So, yeah.

So after I reached out to you, I had a couple instances of being woken up with my legs being lifted in the bed while I was sleeping. Total sleep paralysis. I knew it was getting moved, but I couldn't do anything. I woke my wife up and, you know, she was like, what's wrong with you? What are you dreaming about? I couldn't move. She was like, you're making some weird noises. So I used to have sleep paralysis a lot.

I've seen shadow entities. I want to say people, hat man, nothing like that. Just figures and had really vivid sleep paralysis of knowing, not necessarily out of body, but knowing I'm asleep, knowing I can't wake up and having this dread. But nothing really until that happened.

Some stuff with owls, which I don't like to touch at all, especially because of the relation to occult and the devil and all kinds of really bad scary stuff. A wife and I were watching, was it the babysitter, or my best friend's possession or my best friend's exorcism or something like that?

I don't know, the audience probably knows. Yeah, it was one of those shows, and there's some owls in it. My wife's like, what's it do with owls? Are they good? bad. It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure they're bad most of the time, you know, all the way back to Native American beliefs of them being associated with God, death gods, or, you know, not always good things. Yeah, I used to nerd out when I was younger and study ancient mythology, Celtic mythology, and Norse mythology. And a lot of those, you know, birds, specifically crows and owls are not always.

There was a frowned upon that he was associated with gods of war or god's death or something like that. So this was, I guess, the day after Lindsay had reached back out to me. We watched that and that happened. Then, of course, I opened the door and there's an owl flying in front of the driveway, a couple other instances of just reference to them, some small synchronicities. So nothing too bad. my wife said that she heard some knocking one night at the house. This is all after being more active after not an investigator and not really doing anything other than listen to podcasts and talking about coming to talk to you.

So I don't know if I'm just peering back and it's peering and it's peering back or if it's just something that I'm now noticing because my eyes are getting a little bit more open than they have been. I'm sure there's a lot more when I was younger that I blocked out, especially at the first house we lived in in Marival. But you know how that kind of stuff goes and you're younger, you kind of walk it out. Absolutely. I like how you say Marival. So it's funny because you were born here and you moved away.

Did that moving away make you lose your southern accent? Did you never have one? It's funny. I moved away and we came back and I came back, moved down to my grandparents' house and started going to school with Bearden. Everybody, it was like a fresh slate for me because I didn't know anybody in Knoxville. I'm working and people are like, are you from L.A.? You from California? Like, no, I was born here. So I guess I was gone long enough or I had kind of not necessarily been embarrassed with some kind of like tried to cancel out my accent so people wouldn't, you know, look at me as a dumb redneck. Does you have an accent before? Oh, yeah. I mean, growing up, like, you know, it was all around me all the time. So I could. not have one.

I wonder if my kids are going to have one or not. I mean, I don't have one, but, you know, they're going to go to school with kids that have accents. They're going to have one. 100%. Puerto Rican southern accents. Yeah, buddy. That's funny.

That's funny. Yeah, so your wife now, if you, so is she cool with you as far as, like, say you were to, I don't know, go hunt monsters and the smoke? monkeys and stuff and then you accidentally bring home a demon. Is she good with that stuff? She's cool with me going to hunt them. She's not cool with me bringing it around. I think more for me than for her because I think I'm a little more sensitive to stuff than

she is, but she's definitely a believer. Yeah. But yeah, I think she's okay with it until she's not okay, if that makes sense. Yeah. And so right now she doesn't have a reason not to be okay. Yeah. Yeah. She's gung-ho for me doing the things that I love.

So she's great that way, but until like, you know, I bring something home and my son, of course, my son is absolutely obsessed with anything ghost related. He loves to. He's two? He's two. Really? He loves to watch ghost hunting shows with me. Really? We'll go ghost hunting. We'll go ghost hunting. We'll go open up. So our neighborhood, we live in a neighborhood, but we're surrounded by farms. So there's cows right in front of us. There's horses on the right. I swear by him. We'll go outside and he'll see, he'll say he'll say he sees. ghosts in the cowfield. He uses the spidey webs. That's my kids. Two, the spidey webs. That's so funny. Wow. Okay. So I've never watched a ghost show with my kids. And I'm pretty sure my son would be

terrified. Yeah. Does your son get scared of ghost being in the house or anything? He has a couple nightmares. My wife thinks it might be related to it, but he's had them before. I think he's super mama's boy. And if she doesn't sleep, with him like all the way through the night. He wakes up and she's not there. That's what my son was. That's a breakdown, you know. So I think that's probably more of what it is.

But, you know, she's like, okay, you think you need to tone it down with watching the ghost shows with him a little bit. I mean, my kids, like, Ben would come in my office and he'd see, like, Bigfoot stuff. And, like, I did have a moth man poster on the wall. And it was kind of, it was good. It was kind of scary for a kid and stuff. But I remember the first time he walked in the office as a little kid, he just kind of stood there and stared at, like, what is that?

I was, oh, don't worry about it. Just a weird bird, buddy. It's my buddy. It's just a weird bird. But the topic of Bigfoot, he really gravitated towards talking about it. You're a kid, man. It's absolutely fascinating. And then I remember recently, since we moved here, he would say things like, Daddy, Bigfoot's not real.

And I was like, how dare you? Like, what is, what is, what, who have you been talking to? You are not my son. Get out. And I think I've manipulated his brain enough now to start saying it's real again. I'm brainwashing my son to believe in Bigfoot. Condition him the right way. Yes, yes.

And I don't care if I make some of an outcast. He'll be always popular in my book. That's right. And that's all that is. But yeah, he's talking to me about Yeti's at Bigfoot and all this stuff. And we were driving to school today. and he was talking about the size of Bigfoot and he's like, I just don't know how we can not see it

if it's so big. I'm like, son, that's a very complex conversation that takes longer than 20 minutes. How much time do you have? Well, there you go. We've got that show that I just worked on, Bigfoot versus Yeti. You can watch that with him.

Is that something that he could watch? Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. When's it coming out? It's already out. It came out on National Bigfoot Day. Gotcha. Which is October 21st, I think it is. Okay.

What channel? On Tube. On Tube. On Tube, that's right. Tooby. Listen, I'm new to this whole TV stuff. And Expedition Dogman's on Tobey, supposedly. I haven't been able to find it yet.

How long does it take for these companies to post that stuff? Do you know? I mean, they give you air dates. Don't give you air dates. Don't give me air dates. Well, it means contractual obligation. So if you work with them and you say, I want it on this day. I'm not working with them directly.

I'm using Film Hub. Yeah, I would reach out to the distributor and see because, I mean, they have to let you notify you when it's. Gotcha. Because that's when the money starts coming in and all the legal stuff. comes in is when it starts airing. Yeah, I'm just going with the flow and all this stuff. I don't figure it. I don't know.

What's your next bill? I don't know. Yeah, man. Yeah, you got to press for it and be like, hey, it's when it's on TV because apparently, you know, we were talking about it earlier, too, these. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah. It's becoming a thing.

Yeah. I mean, like, I download their app on my phone and I've been checking the website and stuff. And, you know, it's, it's pretty, it's very clean and. operational. It does remind me of a Netflix type of vibe. And that's what they're saying that it's going to replace Netflix in the future here. So, oh, Expedition Dogman is now on Tooby. Hey. Look at. I just live on the show. I just checked it out. Look at that. Expedition Dogman is Christian's mug right there. Look at that. Okay. Nice. Congrats. Look at that. All right. All right.

So I don't know what that means now, but there you go. Anybody listening this far? If you haven't unplugged yet, Expedition Dogman, right there on Tooby. Download the Tooby app today. I have a synchronicity. What's that?

So, Cody, you mentioned that you knew what the National Bigfoot Day was? You know what day the first Mothman news article came out? October 21st? No. It was today, 1960s. Are you serious? What's today's day? It's wild.

Yeah, so the first signing was November 12th, but it was this date. It was today, 1966, that this article came out titled Couples see man-sized bird dot dot-dot, creature, dot, dot, dot, something. Wow. And I thought that was pretty funny. It's crazy because today I'm dropping an episode where the lady, she comes from Point Pleasant. That's kind of crazy. It's all related. So the synchronicity is with the show over time and stuff.

Like sometimes people are like, man, that was a great time. I literally did it by accident. Like I don't plan that much. You know? I mean, the more you look, the more you see. Yeah. It's things are, you know, have been nerding out on the new God of War game. And he tries to change fate in it or whatever.

And it's like, you can't change fate. Things happen. All the pieces come together for a reason, right? Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. So would you ever go up to like the point pleasant area to do investigative stuff?

Oh, yeah. Since it's your roots. Yeah, I go up there as much as I can. So it doesn't scare you away. So it's just just the chief's name. Yeah, yeah. I mean, no go. I don't know if it's somebody directly in my family saying it or if it's people around me saying it. Because all I said was when, uh, through correspondence with your wife,

she said, hey, we're going to have to reschedule. I just listened to that episode said, hey, you guys be careful because every time something like that name is mentioned around me, something bad happens, but obviously there's a separation there. Yeah. So I haven't dared to venture that far into it. Something bad could have happened,

and I just don't connect with that, so. There you go. I mean, I'm so, like, like, deaf. My wife's grandfather passed away yesterday. Really? Yeah. Sorry to hear that. So, you know, maybe there's some correlation there

that I haven't put together yet. But, you know, I'd probably be a little more cautious of it if it happened today or something. So, yeah, there's always, there's always something if you look, the pieces will come together. Interesting. Interesting. Well, I think this was a fun recording. Yeah, absolutely. You don't have any, do you have any, let me put it this way, do you have anything you'd like to promote as far as your work goes or anything? Yeah, if anybody's got any kind of project.

You know, I do a lot of network stuff. As cheesy as it's been, I've been doing a lot of home improvement. Fixer to Fabulous is the one I've been working on most recently for HGTV. So I do a lot of network stuff, but anybody's got a project that they feel so inclined to get some sound design worked on for paranormal anything related. And give me a shout. And if I've got time, then I'd love to get my hands in as much as I can. Like I said, this is my first year for one freelance from leaving company. I've been out for a long time.

So I'm just trying to get my name out there and do what I can. Do you want to put your whole name out there then? Yeah. Yeah, it's Cody, Alford, A-LF-O-R-D, C. dot Alford-88 at gmail.com. I haven't an LLC'd yet. I've been pushing it off so much, but I'm sure that will happen soon. Yeah.

Yeah, so, I mean, if anybody's looking for a sound design out there, I know there's people that listen to show that are creators, you know and you know you're a free agent yeah yeah free agent so you pick me up and send me out to wherever it's a point pleasant i got plans for you my friend we're gonna send you all over yeah no but um yeah man i appreciate you being here it's it's funny because you said uh alfred and uh i have another friend with the same last name but we said alfred yeah it's it's funny everybody says that you know you get conled to the doctor's office it's always alfred um My family's always at all for Nick could just be because we're dirty rednecks, but I don't know.

Okay. I had never met any. I don't know too many people outside of my family with their last name, but just recently found somebody with my exact same name who is a social media guy. And he's pretty awesome. Ex-Marine. I can't say X-Marine, because once a Marine always marina. Always a Marine. Yeah.

So if it's a bear, but we got to be a warrior too, because that's just what warriors do.