The Confessionals - 50: Haunting Stories of Onset, Massachusetts

Episode Date: December 30, 2017

We bring on my old college buddy, Phill Anderson, who will share haunting stories from his hometown of Onset, Massachusetts! We will be talking about a cryptid type creature that terrorizes a neighborhood to haunted homes to a demonic possession that he experienced manifesting itself right in front of him! Tonight, we dive into why the town of Onset is so haunted!  Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionals Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

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Just another lonely night to sacrifice your life. And the shadows. It's called Prolet. For the rest of the world. You guys hear that? Welcome to the show, everybody. You are listening to The Confessionals, a proud feature show on blog talk radio.com

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So this week, we are shouting out the patrons that have signed up so far, and we have George M. Mo is Wolfie, Alicia K, David F., J.C. Lynch, Alex B, B, Bianca R. Gary L. Christopher M. Nicholas, Robert G., Purple Rose, and Tanya M. Those patrons that signed up so far, thank you very much. I've been in communication with all of you, and I appreciate you all very much. If you want to become a patron, go ahead of patreon.com backslash the Confessionals. That's p-a-t-r-e-on.com backslash the confessionals. And there you can sign up. There's tons of great rewards, and we're actually going to be adding some things to the rewards program

here soon. Now this week we have Phil Anderson coming on and Phil Anderson is actually an old college friend of mine who comes on to share some haunting stories out of his hometown of Onset, Massachusetts. If you're a patron, you will have access to this interview in video format. So if you want to see us actually talking on video, head over to the Patreon page and you'll have it right there waiting for you starting on Sunday, December 31st. Now without any further delay, let's get to Phil right after this. Okay, tonight I have Phil. Anderson coming on. And Phil Anderson is actually an old college friend of mine from back in the Christian College days of the University of Valley Forge. So it's been a long time that I've

actually had the chance to hang out with Phil. Phil, how you doing? Good man, good man. Thanks for having me on. Always a pleasure to talk to you. It has been a little while. Last time we actually talked in person, you were actually on my podcast. Yes, yes. That was when I first started the confessionals and you were kind enough to bring me on. to talk about Bigfoot and things like that, which that was a lot of fun, actually, to be honest with you. Yeah. That was probably one of the first times that I had the opportunity to sit down with three guys that maybe necessarily don't really buy into the whole Bigfoot thing and just kind of speak my mind without people, you know, chastising me. So that was, well, you're welcome.

We're, you know, we're pretty open-minded, you know. And you're a friend too, so that helps, you know. If you were just a random person, you know, we might have been a little bit harder on you. Right. No, but yeah, man, it was a great time. It was a great time. Why don't you tell people about your podcast real quick? Yeah, sure, sure.

Actually, we have a new podcast now. It's not called The Phil and Alex Show anymore, but it's called Sneeling and Dealing. And basically what it is, it's a comedy podcast. We do talk about like current events or pretty much anything, kind of like Tony's show, The Renegade a little bit, plug for his show. It's kind of like that. But also, yeah, we do characters and stuff. and also you can listen to Tony's episode that he was on I believe

oh man I think it was Phil and Alex show episode 47 I think it was 40 something yeah yeah 40 something I'll like I'll tweet it out or something after we're done so people your audience can like hear you on that show and stuff but yeah if you want to check it out that's cool if not too that's cool too I'm gonna keep on doing it either way so

yeah that's the thing man once you get bit by the podcast bug. That's a rap, man. Oh, yeah. Done. For the rest of my life. I'm going to be like 80 years old and, you know, have a podcast talking about how great the 90s were or something. I don't know. Yeah. I remember Fresh Prince. Great show. Oh, dude. That was one of my favorite shows, actually.

It was a great show when Will Smith was a great actor. Uh-oh. Was. Exactly. I don't know what happened to him, but. He went Scientology, I guess. I don't know. Boom. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, the name of your podcast is Snealing and Dealing. Is that right?

Snealing and Dealing, yeah. It's S-N-E-A-L-I-N-G and then Dealing. I'm pretty sure people know how to spell that. Yeah. All right, cool, man. Yeah, because I know the podcast comedy stuff, that's so much fun to, you know, just get involved in and stuff. And you guys do some funny characters. I remember following you guys around, even with your videos online and stuff.

I mean, you guys are just your clown. You just have fun at life, man. Pretty much. I mean, as some people like to call it, a rest of development, I like to call it like having a good time. But, you know, yeah, yeah. We have a new website,

Canadian Dutchboys.com. We also have YouTube, but if you go to the website, you can find everything we do. Our YouTube videos are on there. The podcast links are on there and all that. Yeah. Okay.

It's a lot of fun, man. We'll have to have you on again, actually. Yeah, man. I'll be up for that. I'm always about podcasting. Yeah. Absolutely. When I first started the confessionals earlier this year, I never knew how much I'd fall in love with this whole thing. And now I got two shows. I'm about to bring on a third one next year. And then in 2019, I'm bringing on a fourth one. It's like almost addicting in a way. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's just because we love it so much and that's what it is or if it's literally addicting. Like you need to watch out. Well, my wife, you know, tells me to pump the brakes. And then I'm like, I'll pump the brakes when I'm dead. And I'm like, I'll pump the brakes when I'm dead. And I'm You know?

So, yeah, it's, it's fun, though. I just love doing it. And the more time that goes on, the more you realize there's other things you want to talk about. And so, okay, let's start another show. Absolutely. Yeah, that's exactly how it goes, too. That's exactly how it goes. Yeah.

So, all right, well, tonight we're not going to be talking about our podcast. Let's get into the show, actually. And you told me months ago when I first started the show that you had some things you wouldn't mind coming on and talking about. And some of it's personal experiences or with your family. And then you also kind of want to talk about just the history of you're in Massachusetts and, you know, some of the paranormal history up in Massachusetts. And I think back when we first started talking about, you were talking about a little bit of the Salem witch trials. I don't remember if that's what you said.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, um, I see, I've never, I've never, well, I've been up there for like work and stuff. I've never actually gone to the, um, because they have like old houses and stuff up there still. Like the town is very much still, like there's parts of the town that are very old. still, like they still have some of the same buildings and stuff, so you can go on tours and stuff. I've never actually been on the tour or anything there, but I've heard all kinds of ghost stories from there, just from that tour alone. But yeah, in mass in general, I mean, I've lived in Pennsylvania for a while, I've been to Florida, I've been kind of all over the East Coast,

and I would say Massachusetts is probably definitely the highest number of paranormal activity I've ever seen in my life, for sure. Like, when I was in Pennsylvania, right? I didn't have any paranormal experiences. Not any, not one. Not one. Nope. Oh, wait. While I was living there, no. When I came back, I did. But yeah, but that's when I went to Eastern State. And, you know, that's Eastern State, you know. But actually, while I mentioned it, I'm not going to tease it. I'll say it. So I was at Eastern State, right? And so we're doing that, you know, I don't know if you've been there or people have been there. When you go there, they give you this little headphones with a little thing you play. And so you go, area to area and you press a number and it'll tell you the history of that area, whatever. This was the infirmary, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, I, like, took my headphones off. I was going to smoke a cigarette, which I need to quit smoking. But anyway, so I went to go, I got my cigarette pack out and I hear someone say,

hey, can I get a cigarette? And I turn around, and there's no one around. Like, I had went into, like, a little alcove area, like, to buy myself to try to, like, you know, make sure I wasn't smoking in front of kids or anybody. and there was no one there. Just a weird. That's spooky. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, so that's like my one Pennsylvania story. That's the only paranormal thing that ever happened to me in Pennsylvania. But, I mean, it was pretty cool, though. Yeah, I mean, Eastern State, me and Lindsay went down there, I want to say five months ago, we went down there. And we went on this tour and everything.

We actually had somebody guide us through the areas and talked to us about the history of stuff. And, I mean, I had no idea some of the history of that place. and just how things developed over time. It's just, I mean, there's a lot of crap that happened there. So, yeah, I mean, I've heard of people saying that they've had experiences there, and now you're just added to the list. Yeah, absolutely. Eastern State was weird, especially when the first opened,

like the prisoners would have to sit in silence and stuff like that. They couldn't make noise. You couldn't talk to each other. Like, that's next level. There's got to be some weird. I mean, just imagine living like that, man. that would depress you. So there's got to be some bad energies just from people being sad and depressed and angry.

And I can only imagine what people feel like in prison. Yeah, and I think the whole goal with Eastern State Penitentiary, and if people don't know, that's in Philadelphia now. But when they first built it, it was actually on the outside of Philadelphia. And as Philadelphia grew, it actually became a residential neighborhood around this state penitentiary. And when it first started, I believe the whole goal was to, create a prison system where the prisoners literally had no association with anybody outside of the guards themselves. They were not allowed to communicate with anybody. And we talk about driving somebody mad. That would drive you mad. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think the only thing

they could do was pray, read the Bible, and that was it. Yeah, because it was founded by the Quakers, I believe. Correct. And so that was the goal. But because it became overpopulated so quickly, the whole idea of complete confinement went right out the window. They started bunking in there and, you know, all this stuff changed. And that's when, you know, some crazy stuff happened in itself. So very interesting. If anybody has ever in the area of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, I would highly recommend going on a tour. It's a great tour to go on. And you go, it's right in Philadelphia. I mean, it's right there in North Philly in the neighborhood. Yeah, literally, it's on a city block. It's one of those weirdest things in the world. But I tell you

what, I don't know if you noticed this while you were in there, you can't hear anything on the outside. You're absolutely right. Nothing. Like, there's a city, there's cars going, but you can't hear any of that. It's so weird. Yeah. And I think they said the walls were, what, 8, 10 feet thick and they're, what, 30 feet high?

I mean, it's very big. It's like a castle, basically. Yeah. In the middle of the hood. I mean, I'll just be honest. It's the hood. Oh, yeah. It's on Frankfurt Avenue and North Philly.

It's the hood. Yeah. If anybody ever seen Rocky, you know. It's kind of like that. Exactly. Exactly. Oh, man. So, all right.

So let's just walk into your personal experiences tonight and just take it away and share with us how it all ties together with the area of Massachusetts and things like that. Sure, sure. I grew up primarily in a town called Wareham, but more specifically, a village of Wareham. It was called Onset. And so I grew up there primarily most of my life in different houses in that town. That's actually a village. but the town was actually I'm going to go into the history

Oops, sorry The town, I'm going to go on the history a little bit The town itself, the onset village, was founded by spiritualists And the spiritualist movement So in 1840s This was around the time we're like You know, I don't know if you've ever seen like

Old movies or whatever they Like people in the 1840s Do like parlor games And they would have like, you know, kind of weird stuff So one of the things that came out of that Was mediums and stuff and trying to contact the dead. So the spiritual movement kind of erupted in the 1840s-ish,

and they developed onset into a summer place hotspot or whatever for spiritualist people, like the church itself, if you can call it a church. I don't know. They call themselves a church. It's not really a church. But they're just spiritualists, basically mediums who, you know, they do seances, talk to the dead and stuff like that. And so the reason why I bring that up is because I think it has to do.

I think it's primarily the main cause of a lot of the paranormal activity in the town, in my opinion, because I don't know how you feel about it, but when people start trying to communicate with the dead or they open doors and sometimes people don't really realize who they're talking to, it could be a negative entity, disguising itself as a little kid or, you know what I mean? So you never know what can come through when you start doing this kind of stuff. Right. So imagine a whole town filled with these people. doing it all the time, you know, for at least 40 years. So that's just kind of like the background of the town and stuff. And so it was basically founded by spiritualists. So anyway, my first experience I ever had in my life, we grew up in a church.

It was Emmanuel Samuys of God, which was right next door to, literally, the spiritualist church. And at the time, it was the headquarters for the spiritualist church. So I like, you know, I always, as a little kid, you know, I didn't know what that meant. I didn't know who spirituals people were. I didn't get it. I thought there were people to handle snakes. I, you know, I had no idea. You know, I just knew that like to stay away, you know what I mean?

So anyway, so there's always this feud between the spiritualist people and, and of course, you know, the churchgoing people. Because the church going people primarily are like, oh, no, you shouldn't do that, you know. They're very against that sort of thing, you know. And that's how I was raised. So, um, I believe it. it was like a Wednesday. I'm talking like 1992. I was like kindergarten, a first grade maybe.

And so it was after like a prayer meeting or something. I went my, went with my mom. It was when I had first started going to church. My mom went to church when she was a kid, but then she started going to onset again. And we're starting to get back into the church. So I was like going with her because I was interested in it and what have you. So the prayer meeting ends, everything's great. A little boring for me

because I'm like a little first grader and Everyone's just praying and I'm just kind of sitting there. Anyway, we go to leave where my mom's talking to one of her friends, Marie, and they're chit-chat and talking about whatever. And I look over at our van, which is parked, I don't know, maybe 30 feet away from us. It's dark out. It's like 6 or 7 o'clock at night, maybe 8 o'clock at night. And I look over and I see like this shadowy,

figure with like horns kind of but it was like it wasn't a solid mass it was very shadow-like like it never I'm trying to think the best way describe it it never had a solid state but it was just always constantly kind of moving like you could see the figure but it was never like totally there you know what I'm saying yeah but it was it was it was like looking at me and it was sitting in the driver's seat of our van in the like at the driver's seat and it was like looking over at me, like laughing at me. And I, of course, I'm a little, little kid. I'm like, oh, my God. So I'm petrified. You know what I mean? I'm like, mom, mom, mom. There's something in the car over there, blah, blah, blah. I think it's a demon, you know? I just learned the word demon probably

a couple days before. And so I'm like, oh my God. And so my mom's like, of course my mom doesn't see anything, you know. And so, you know, my mom and Marie, they pray and everything. And nothing ended up happening on the ride home. But the whole ride home, I just had like, Like my legs up, you know, I didn't want my legs to touch the floor, you know. I didn't want to look behind me. Yeah, so that was like my first ever paranormal experience. Wow. When your mom and, what was the person's name, Murray?

Marie. Yeah, Marie. Marie. When your mom and Marie prayed, is that when it went away? I'm assuming it went away. Yes, it did. Yeah, I didn't see it anymore after that. After they prayed and stuff, I didn't see it anymore.

But, yeah, I mean, one of the. craziest things I've ever seen before. Yeah, I can't imagine. Oh, yeah, especially, I mean, you can imagine, like, a little kid. Like, I had never, you know, I was always, it was weird because I was always interested in ghosts for some bizarre reason. Like, in kindergarten, like, when we used to go to library, I think we had library, like, once a week or something. I discovered these, like, World War II books and, like, war, because I was big into, like, war history. And I love G.I. Joe's, like, my favorite cartoon.

So my dad was in the Army. So, like, I was, like, really drawn to Army stuff and battles. And so I'd, like, look through the pictures and be like, oh, this is so cool. And so anyway, it gets to the last book in the series. And it's like, it was Ghost. It was like Battlefields and Ghosts. And it was like the Ghosts of Gettysburg. And it was like my first, besides Scooby-Doo, which I didn't think, I didn't think ghosts were real.

And so then I saw this book that was saying that was there was real ghosts. And I was like, oh, my God, there's real ghosts. I thought this was just a TV show. And I was like, whoa. And so that's kind of like how my interest in ghosts got started. But let's see, I'll move on to much later in life. Living in Yarmouth, Massachusetts, which is on Cape Cod. A lot of people know where Cape Cod is.

But I was, for like months and months, I would say like two months. I'd go to bed and I would just feel like there was someone staring at me, like from this specific area in my room. It was like near my computer, right? and so I was like, what is going on? Like, I just, I thought it was like, I thought it was just being like a baby. I'm like, here I am. I'm like, I don't know, 18 years old, 17 years old. And so I'm like, why do I, like, this is the weirdest feeling like.

So I started like leaving my TV on at night. Anyway, so we ended up going to this youth conference in Toronto. And it was pretty good. We had a good time. And I thought it was, you know, pretty good. And so we get back. And, you know, after going to. a conference and stuff. You know, I'm like, I don't need the TV on. You know what I mean? I shouldn't

be afraid of anything. Like, you know, God's got my back. Like, you know, what am I worried about? And so, like, I, you know, just shut the TV off, went to bed, got those feelings, but I was like, whatever, you know, no big deal. So I had, at the time, one of my cats was on me and she was purring, you know, laying on me. And it was like, I remember it was so vivid because I didn't fall asleep, but it was in a matter of like moments that all the sudden like I had felt like someone was like pulling my shirt and like literally like this is what it felt like I don't I couldn't tell you what happened because I was too scared to like try to move but it felt like someone had me and was like trying to pull me off the bed and any time I've ever had like a spiritual attack like this I know immediately what it is you know um it's just I don't know how to describe it I don't know how to describe it I don't know if I don't It's just like, it's like a feeling you get. Like this feeling I get, like when I'm coming, like, when you come under spiritual attack, when like something's, something negative, demonic, whatever you want to call it, is coming.

It's like, coming after you. And it always happened when I was like sleeping for some odd reason. Maybe it's because, you know, you're not, you're at your weakest and you're not, like, paying attention. You're asleep. So anyway, I feel, I feel like I'm getting dragged off the bed. And I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, so I start praying immediately at this point.

And so I was like, all right, I'm going to open my eyes and see if, you know, what, see if I can see where I am, like, am I off the bed? Am I, it just, do I just feel like I'm off of that? I open my eyes. And I see this like shadow face again. Not exactly like the one I saw when I was a kid, but very similar. Like shadow just always constantly moving, but there was a face in it. You know what I mean?

It was like looking right down at me. And so I was like, oh, nope, nope, no, no, no, no, no. And so, like, I closed my eyes, just kept on praying, kept on praying. And then, like, within a matter of an instant, it was just like, boom, I open my eyes again, my cat's back on me. And I'm laying in bed again. And I'm like, oh, I was like, I was like, what just happened? So, of course, I get up. I tell Alex, my brother, we go upstairs, get my mom, we pray over the whole room.

And I don't know if this is related or not. But remember how I said it kept on feeling like there was like someone looking at me from my computer? Yeah. One of my friends, unbeknownst to me, was looking up all kinds of stuff you shouldn't be looking up online. Like pornography and other weird stuff. And so I always attributed to that. Like he obviously like opened the door or he did something to open a door and let something in or whatever. because as soon as you prayed and I like went through the computer and deleted anything that, you know, he might have downloaded or whatever.

Like he was looking up some weird stuff. So anyway, he was a weird dude. But yeah. Yeah, it was just weird. Really weird. But like I said, it was like that black shadow. Like, it was just weird because like I don't know. It's just really strange.

It like no It wasn't solid at all But I could I mean I felt it like Grab my shirt You know what I mean So somehow either that Or like it made me think it was grab

Like picking me up Oh and another detail I almost forgot It felt like the room was spinning as well Like when I opened my eyes again Really It felt like the room was spinning Like in a circle

In a circle As I opened my eyes So I don't know If this thing like Pulled me off the bed And it was like Or it just was Probably just making me

Feel like I was spinning The way how fast it moving perhaps or something. Yeah. But yeah, really strange. Let me ask you, when you say the face was moving, now what I picture may not be what you actually saw, but let me just describe it to you. Have you ever seen, do you have Netflix?

Yeah. Okay. Have you ever seen the TV show The Flash on there? No, I haven't, but I know what's talking about. On that show, there's, you know, the Flash and there's, you know, the Flash and there's different characters that play the flash. And when they don't want somebody to see their face, they move so fast, they vibrate their face so that you can see a face, but it's moving so fast you can't make out who it is.

Would you describe it like that maybe? Yes, absolutely. And very dark, very black, but with like smoky features. That's how I was able to tell like the face part. Like, man, it's like, it's almost as if it was like smoke-like. the way it looked. You know what I mean? As far as like, you've seen smoke rise from like a fire or something and how it like moves. Kind of like that. Wow. That's interesting, man. Because when you first said that, that's the first thing I thought of like just a vibrating face where it's actually moving. But you can see

the face, but you just can't make out detail. Yeah. That's pretty much. Yeah. That's exactly what it was. Yeah. Okay. Now, you said it was pulling on your shirt and pulling you pretty much off the bed. Now, I did a show with another guy who said that pretty much the same thing you just told me. Him and his wife were in bed sleeping at night, and he's had issues throughout his life, different things. But that night, he feels something pulling him off the bed, I think by his feet. He opens his eyes and he sees two demonic entities in his room pulling him off the bed. And he said it was like they were physically pulling him off the bed, but it also felt like they were pulling him off the bed. but it also felt like they were pulling something out of him.

And he just, he started screaming, you know, the name of Jesus. And his wife wakes up and they go away. And she's like, what's going on? And he's like, nothing. We just need to pray. And he told me this on my show. And to this day, he has never told his wife what actually happened that night. Oh, wow.

Because he looks at it as, you know, he doesn't want to bother her with that stuff. He doesn't want to scare her. You know, what she doesn't know won't hurt her. kind of thing. But how would you describe the pulling off the bed? Would you say it was more physical, or do you think there was something else going on there as well? No, I mean, it literally felt like I was being pulled. It felt like I had like got pulled off the bed. Like I felt the tug on my shirt, you know, like, and I was like getting pulled off. And it felt like I had actually left the bed. But like I said, like when I came, when I was praying and I finally like opened my eyes for the last

time and everything was like back to normal kind of deal so i mean is it a possibility that like i was like what's that word what do people call that astro projecting or something like that's possible maybe like i i don't know i just know how what it what it felt like someone was like it felt like it felt like i was like pulled off the bed and i was like suspended in the air like that's what it felt like because i didn't land on the ground and i didn't have a sensation of falling either you know I just felt the sensation of being tugged, like, off the bed, sort of, like, to one side. And then that was it. So I don't know.

See, looking back now, I wish I would have, like, opened my eyes and, like, looked around. And, of course, in the heat of the moment, you know, all my concern was just making this thing go away. Yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean? Like, I was just like, I don't want any part of this. No way. Let's see. I have one more.

Well, actually, oh, I have many more. I have two quick ones. Fast forward to 2012. This is after I had left Pennsylvania, I moved back home to onset. And I live right on Main Street, right down the street from where I used to live when I was a kid and stuff.

And so one night in particular, I'm laying in bed and I was mad at somebody. And I don't want to say who I was mad at because I'm not, because I'm going to tell you what I was thinking and you're going to be like, oh, you shouldn't think that, Phil.

And I'm like, I know. So anyway, I was, I was really mad at someone. And I was like, and I regret it. As soon as I, I didn't even say it. I thought it. And as soon as I thought it, I regretted it immediately. I was like, oh, that person could be the antichrist. That's how big of an a-hole this person is.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And as soon as I thought it, I was laying in bed like my face down, kind of like this, on my pillow, like, I'm going to bed. It's like, I don't know, 11 o'clock at night. I have this thought. And as soon as I thought it, I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have said that.

And as soon as I'm thinking to myself, that's the very thing, like I shouldn't have said that, I feel two taps on my shoulder. And I whip around real quick, because there's not, there's not supposed to be anybody in the room with me. So I, like, I whip around real quick, nobody there. And so I just kind of like lay there for a minute, put the TV on. And I was just like, I guess I'm just going to watch a little bit of TV. Weird. Okay.

Same house, a few months later. This is when my girlfriend at the time, now fiancé, we were hanging out. I have a cat. Her name's Lucy. And she was walking around and Nicole went to go down to go pet her or she was like looking at her or whatever. And both of us see with our own eyes. We see this like shadow of a hand go down and look like it's trying to pet my cat. And of course, we were just standing there.

We weren't moving. And she's like, did you see that? And I was like, yeah, I saw that. Like, I was like, I don't know. I don't understand what that was. But it was like, yeah, it literally looked like a hand shadow, like someone's hand, like as if it was going down to try to pet, try to pet my cat. And, yeah, really weird. Yeah, no doubt.

So why don't we just stop right there? And when we come back, let's talk about this hand that seemed to have come out of nowhere. We're right back. Okay, we're back. And Phil, help me envision this a little bit here. Did this shadow just kind of appear out of nowhere? Or had this kind of look? It was like, okay, so it was at night.

And we had a few lights on, but it wasn't totally bright in the room we were in. So there was like shadows on the ground kind of. You know, it's like sometimes you can have light and then there'll be shadows like on. Like it could cast shadows on the ground if you put your hand in front of something or whatever. But it didn't, it looked like a shadow, but there was no possible way. It could have been anybody because it was just me and her. we were standing there. We didn't. We weren't moving. And it looked like a shat.

You're like a person, basically, without a physical form, just a shadow. But just the hand part, like, as if someone was just, we had just caught a glimpse of a ghost hand, basically. And we couldn't see the rest of their body. And they were, like, petting the cat. That's the best, like, way I could describe it. Did your cat react to it at all? No. No. She was just meowing and doing her thing. Because, like, it was one of those things where, like, I'm pretty sure, like, Nicole was gonna go down to go pet the cat and she saw it and you know and I saw it like over their shoulder

and she like stood back up and was like what was that and I was like I don't know I'm sorry I don't know what to tell you I don't know what I'd tell you I mean that would that would freak me out too if I'm planning on getting down there to pet my cat and all of a sudden a shadow beats me to it somebody beats you to it yeah really weird um same house um the next to ed and counter I had at this house. I was looking in my pantry, trying to find something to eat, standing there for way too long, I don't know, 10 minutes. Couldn't find anything I wanted to eat. At this point, I'm literally got one hand on the shelf, and I'm just like peering into my, into my cabinet, like there's going to be magical food that's going to appear that's not

already in there. And so I'm sitting there, sitting there, sitting there, and then all of a sudden randomly out of the blue, yet again, two taps on my shoulder. I whip around. I mean, it felt like someone, like, I was in the house by myself. No one's there. I felt two fingers, you know, like literally, like, as someone's like trying to get your attention kind of deal. Like tap me on the shoulder, turn around, no one there. I just closed the pantry door, went in my room, played a little video games.

Just kind of was like, all right. Wow. What were you doing both times that you got tapped on the shoulder? Remind me the first time in the second. The first time I was like in bed and I was trying to fall asleep and I had. I thought a horrible thing and I got tapped on the shoulder after I had thought this horrible thing. And then the other time, as I said, I was just looking for food in the pantry. Like looking for something to eat, you know, just sitting standing there.

Wow. And just randomly just tap on my shoulder. Never saw anything in that house, but just the, besides the shadow, the shadow and the tapping on the shoulder thing. Don't know what the tapping on the shoulder thing's about, but. I wanted to ask you kind of backtracking a little bit before we go further. the first story you shared with us, you said that you were, you know, felt like something was watching you and so you would go to sleep at night with your TV on the night that you don't, something happens.

What are your thoughts on that? I mean, obviously TVs don't have magical powers to protect us, but do you think it's like a psychological thing? Like these entities might know when to strike when you're most vulnerable, knowing that you're using that as a protection? Correct. That might be exactly what it is because I, you know, I felt more at ease with the TV on rather than it not being on, even though this doesn't make any sense. I don't know, I feel like a little kid.

It'd be like I have like a nightlight on. I mean, like, I don't know if like that makes any difference. I guess maybe it is. Maybe it is like a, like maybe it's like a mind thing. Like in your mind it's protecting you. And so maybe it, maybe it is. I don't know. Patience.

because like if you have a brother and if you wanted to get Alex going and you wanted to freak him out, you're not going to do it when he's expecting it, you know, or when he feels safe. Well, maybe you would. But my whole idea with this is you'd want to sometimes maybe get that person when they're on edge the most. Correct. I mean, if you look at it in like a battle type way, like if you're going to sneak attack somebody, you're going to pick the most opportunistic time, you know, when everyone's asleep, when there's not as many people, right? You know what I mean?

That's, or like, you know, that's exactly what you would do. So, I mean, like, because it's spiritual warfare, basically. So, yeah, that's when I would attack somebody when they were sleeping. Because, you know, your guards are down. You're sleeping. You're dreaming. You're not, you know, who knows what we're doing when we're dreaming? I don't mean, no.

You know, but I would assume your guards definitely down because you're in a sleeping. state, you know, you're not, you don't have all your wits about you, you know? No, I absolutely agree. And, you know, like even just having the TV on, watching TV, your focus is on the TV. And I also wonder, like, you know, because people say that, you know, it takes energy for these things to appear in front of people or to move something. It takes a lot of energy. And that's why your batteries get drained and things like that. So maybe it needs you to be the most sensitive and vulnerable to be aware of anything even happening. You know what I mean?

Like if you're distracted by a TV, you may not even notice anything happening around you if it happened or not. You know, so like you said, waiting for that opportune time to strike. Yep. Yeah. Well, like there's always been, I don't know the validity of this, but I mean, I'm sure you've heard this too, but like the witching hours and this, that, and the other thing. apparently that's when they're the most powerful or something like that. I don't know if that's true. But that's what people have always said. So like that could be another thing as well. You know, maybe that's just, that's when they're doing their business. Well, I can tell you that I do believe in the witching hour to a certain extent. See, I believe in the witching hour as far as the witches believe in the witching hour. Because they're active in that hour because they believe in that hour. So therefore I believe in that hour too. You know what I mean?

But I think, to be honest with you, it's just another hour in the day. And the only reason why it's more active is because... It's because they're doing stuff on that. They're doing things. You know, so that's why... So I think there is validity, too. And I think that hour tends to be more active. And I know there's a lot of nights that, or I should say mornings,

that I'm up at 3 o'clock in the morning working on the show and stuff like that. And when it hits 3 o'clock, 233 o'clock, I start getting a little on edge. I start looking around the room and stuff. because I'm listening to people's ghost stories at 3 o'clock in the morning. Which probably isn't the best idea, you know? No. You don't need someone else's ghost story coming into your ghost story. I got too many already.

So, I mean, sometimes I do wrap it up early and I go to bed and just kind of like cuddle up next to my wife. Like, she's going to protect me. I love it. I love it. So, all right, man. I know we backtracked a little bit there, but I'll let you continue. No, that's quite a right. Ask as many questions.

you want because sometimes I like forget details too um but I'll move on to main event part A so this is my craziest paranormal experience um and it involves something that I call a possession of someone that I know of um so I'm going to leave this person's name out just because you know not that they're ever going to listen to it but I just you know just in case I'm not going to say their name but a friend of mine that I lived with in Onset. So they were like hanging out, him and his buddy were hanging out. And they were really into this thing. You know what you might even know what this is.

But you remember a couple years ago, it was this stupid craze that mostly like teenagers were doing and stuff, but a few people got into. It's kind of like where the basalt stuff was around. It was called Spice. you ever hear of that that sounds familiar that sounds familiar yeah i think i believe it was spice was one of the things that one of the guys ripped off someone else's face or he could have been on bath salts one of the other either way so it was like basically what this stuff is is popery essentially okay so i please do not go out there and smoke this stuff anyway so it's basically like it's pitched as medical um synthetic marijuana and it's not it's popery so basically um they were they were

were like into it because it was cheaper than weed and everything so i was like okay yeah whatever i was like i'm not doing that but you know you guys can you know do whatever you want if you want to smoke popery like go for it i don't care like i don't think it's a good idea but you know go ahead so anyway um i'm hanging out with them you know just hanging out um you know everything seems pretty cool they they start smoking this stuff and i'm like okay so i'm just hanging out with them everything seems appears to be pretty normal for the most part. Then, actually,

I should give these people fake names. Okay, so I'm going to call the first guy Jack. So Jack is, he starts pulling on, I'll make up another name. We'll name him Tony. How's that sound? Perfect.

It's a good name. Good strong name. Actually, my brother's name is Jack, so there you go. Oh, I totally forgot that. All right. Jack starts pulling at Tony's arm, like really weird. Best way I could describe it, like, he looked gone.

Like, he looked like he was just like either blitzed out of his mind or like something was up with him. So he was acting weird. And so he was just like pulling at his arm, like pulling at his arm, pulling at his arm. And I'm like, okay, I'm like, all right, I'm going to go get a drink. And so like, I leave the room. And I'm like, I was like, that was weird. I was like, I don't know what's going on between those two guys, but like, I don't know. Literally, dude, I'm gone, I don't know, five minutes.

I get a drink. I drink it in the kitchen. I hear like what sounds like things being thrown across the room. I hear like someone yelling out in pain sort of kind of thing. And so I'm hearing all this like commotion. So I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, I was like, oh shit. they're like these two guys are they're gonna they're getting jack and tony are going to get in a fight here you know what i mean so like okay so i come back into the room and i wow okay so i walk into the room

in front of me is jack and no he's actually okay so jack was like to the left so i walk into my room straight ahead of me is this guy tony and he is face down on the bed like knees on the ground face down on the bed not moving not responsive I called out his name several times nothing didn't move

didn't acknowledge me nothing and so he's just sitting there so I mean that's kind of scary in itself but then I look over to my left on the far side of the room and there's Jack and he's got blood on his face

and I'm like what the F I was like this at this point I'm like what is going on like literally this is what I said it like seven times like what the app is going on was like and I'm calling out to him like jack what what is like and he's looking at me like sadistic like and he looks at me and he just says one word and he says oops and I was I was just like and at this point he's not talking in normal jack voice he's talking in some sort of raspy, best way I can describe it, snake-like type voice. And so he's like, and he's so disturbing.

So he's rubbing the blood that's on his forehead like all over his face and just being like, oops, oops, oops. Dude, Tony, man, this is crazy. So I'm standing there and I'm like, Jack. And he gets up and he starts walking. walking towards me. I was like, I was like, Jack, please stop. I was like, I was like, what is going on? I was like, at this point in my head, I'm thinking, oh shit, they, they were doing this stupid, like, uh, spice stuff. They let their minds get like, this is what I think what happened. They let their

minds get so weak that something that was obviously attached to him was able to take over, basically. That's what happened. And so he, dude, he starts walking towards me. remember blood on his face stammering towards me as if like it's the first time he's ever walked before so like stammering towards me and I just keep on backing up

so at this point I'm I'm not in the entrance of the room anymore I'm like backed up into the living room I've backed up around the corner into the kitchen and I'm like standing there and I keep on backing I'm like stop stop

please stop and all of a sudden faster than anything I've ever seen in my life he just literally like jumps at me, like volts at me. And like he's like trying to like push me onto the ground. And so like literally midair as we're like suspended in the air somehow by the grace of God.

That's what I has to be God because it wasn't me because I'm not strong enough. So he comes at me and I, but like in air and I somehow turn his body. He was on top, you know, coming at me. So he's like on top of me basically as we're going through the air. So I somehow basically flip him around And so he landed on the ground first and not me So like he landed on the ground I landed like on my knees

And then like he's just boom on the ground And so at that moment I'm like he like stopped moving He didn't get up like he was breathing and But he was like hissing He was like fucking hissing at me Sorry to swear but he was hissing at me So but he was kind of like incapacitated at that point

Okay, so I'm like, okay. So I got up and I'm like, I got to check on Tony. Like, I got to see if he's okay. So like I get up, I leave him. He's not moving. I'm like, good. Hopefully he stays that way. So then I go around the corner, go back into the room.

I'm like, Tony, Tony, Tony. And it doesn't respond to me. But as soon as I touched him, like touched his shoulder, he woke up immediately. And he was like dazed and confused. He was like, he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's like, what happened? What happened? And like, so I'm like, at this point, I'm freaked out.

And so I'm like, dude, we need to call my uncle. We need to get him over here. This kid's possessed. And like, I told him like four times in a row. And he was like, the last thing I remember, I was just sitting there. That's the last thing I remember. I don't remember anything else. And so I go back out into the kitchen where Jack's laying.

still. And he's still making like hissing noises. And now Tony can hear him as well. And so he's like looking at me like like what is going on like WTF. You know what I mean? And so he, you know, um, and so then I end up calling my dad. Because at this point, my dad lived in me and I was like, dad, you need to get home now. And he's like, what are you talking about? I was like, no. I was like, I told him the whole situation. He's like, he's like, are you serious? I was like, dad, this is like exorcist level stuff here. Like you need to get here now. But he's like, what? And he's like, what? And he's like, he's like, he's like, because I don't know, like, if this is safe or not, you know what I mean? So, my dad comes home, and at this point, he's, like, he's starting to, like, come back to normal, sort of, but he's still sort of, like, in it. So, like, he's, like, in the bathroom because we're, like, you know, like, you know, clean, clean yourself up, like, get, you know, and he drank, he must have drank, like, seven gallons of water. I've never seen somebody drink so much water in my life. But as he's like cleaning himself off, he, he's like, he starts like talking to himself in the mirror. He's like, oh, I'm, I'm strong. I'm the one that's in control now.

You're weak. Like all this like weird stuff, stuff I did not want to hear. And I'm like, oh, my God. I was like, what is going on? So my uncle eventually like comes and we pray over him and stuff. But he, yeah, he still had lingering effects. remember that night I was on edge because at like we were like we were roommates so um we had the we slept in the same room at that time and so he we know he was making hiss and noises at you know

throughout the night and stuff like that and um definitely I'm pretty sure I'm trying to think if I left anything out but I'm pretty sure that's it um yeah like firsthand I I couldn't believe what was happening while it was happening I was just like I I was like, is this some, am I in a movie? Could someone please say cut? Please? Because I was not prepared for this. Wow, man.

That's incredible. Where'd the blood come from? Oh, yeah, yeah. So when when tone, sorry, not 20, when Jack finally came to, I was, we were like talking with him. It's like, what do you remember? And he's like, I remember, you know, we were sitting there. And then all of a sudden it felt like somebody was beating me up.

That's what he said. And, but it was like by an unseen force kind of thing. Like, like, and I, I don't know if you remember, but I had said, like, I heard, like, things were getting thrown around the room. I heard someone, like, screaming out and pain kind of deal. And so it was, it was Jack. That was the one in pain or whatever. So basically, this demon, entity, dark entity, whatever you want to call it, elemental, I don't care. It was basically, from what he describes, like, throwing him around the room.

And so that's where the blood came from. Like, he had cut himself. I don't know if it was his arm. I think it was his armor's leg. Something. He got like thrown into something, cut his, cut himself. And by the time I had walked in, he was, oh, it was, yeah, it must have been his, yeah, it was his forehead. It was his forehead.

I don't know how he cut his forehead on what, but it was, it was cut. Yeah. Wow. That's intense, man. Dude, yes. Very intense. I've seen people on these drugs, like, I think as they call it flaca or flak. and people it makes them like it makes them act demon possessed i don't and i don't know where to

draw the line on that stuff like is somebody acting demon possessed or are they demon possessed and the drug brought that out of them you know i mean yeah like that's i would in this particular case that's what i would lean towards quite honestly um like it was also weird because at the leading up to that point um both of them were watching a lot of like horror movies and stuff and you may laugh at me but I'm the type of person like I firmly believe in what you put into your body comes out

and so if all you do is watch horror movies or all you do is like listen to depressing music it's going to make you depressed if you listen to horror watch horror things it's going to have an effect on you do you know what I mean so like just the same thing with like what you eat has an effect on you or what you listen

to what you see like I think all that stuff definitely can play into it and not saying just because he watched a whole bunch of horror movies that he became demons. I think there was obviously other stuff going on within him as well. Maybe that stuff probably didn't help as well. But yeah, because I'm just trying to remember leading up to that time period. They were watching a lot of horror movies. But yeah, I mean, he's got his own issues for sure, though. So when you see him talking himself in the mirror saying, I'm in control now, I'm in control now,

I mean, was that him talking or was it like? It was not his voice. No. It was that snake like voice. Was that before or after the prayer? Before. So like because my uncle had, he lived like, oh God, like half an hour, 35,

40 minutes away. So a lot of, like an hour had passed before he even had gotten there. So like by the time he had gotten there, he was like almost pretty much back to normal by that point. So when he was like talking himself in the mirror,

we're talking like no less than half an hour after the incident because he was on the ground for a while like I would say he was on the ground for like 20 minutes and thank God because by the time by the time he actually got up he was like like I said

he was like starting to like kind of come back like he would be himself for like a minute and he would talk normal and then boom he would say that stuff that I just told you and so it was almost as if it was like going back and forth kind of thing. Okay, so when you heard, you know, what sounded like somebody was fighting in the other room,

what happened there? Did he beat Tony up? I don't think, see, Tony didn't have any, any bumps and bruises on him, didn't have any, he,

at least, you know, he didn't say, like he didn't, he wasn't hurt at all. Like, it was almost like he was incapacitated, like knocked out.

But he, he didn't have any pain or anything. He didn't get punched or hit. He just had total memory loss. Like, he remembered sitting there probably about the time, like, I was in the room and I left shortly after that. And then the next thing he remembered was me waking him up. So, I mean, I'm trying to figure this whole thing out because that's just how I am. I mean, is it possible that an entity could have done it?

Like, do you think an entity could have knocked Tony out and then started going to town on Jack and basically inhabiting his boss? I think so I think so I mean because I mean I knew I knew them both fairly well and I had never seen Tony get knocked out like that or just like you know

because he had smoked this spice stuff before he had never had any weird reactions or you know didn't pass out or I mean because it was weird because he was in a totally different position than when I left the room like when I left the room they were sitting like next to each other you know and then when I get in the room he's like halfway across

the half of the room, like face down, like laying down, like half his body laying on the bed and his other half of the body, like, you know, knees on the ground laying on the bed kind of like that, like knocked out, like just incapacitated. Like I was yelling his name. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. It was like he was under a spell. I don't know. It was weird, really strange. And like I said, when I got into that room, everything was just shoveled. Like the, there was a chair there, the chair was like flipped over. A couple things, like maybe a table was knocked over. Like there was a few things

like out of place. And the way Jack described it, he said like it was as if it was like somebody was beating him up but he couldn't see who it was kind of deal. And so when he describes that, he's talking about in the beginning when this all started happening.

Correct. When he first started happening and then after that he didn't remember anything after that. He remember getting beat up because I had heard him in there. And I had heard his voice like, screaming, but they're like, ah, that kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like, he had been hit or,

like it, dude, it sounded like two people were fighting in there. That's what it sounded like. Like two people, like, beating the living you know what, out of each other. That's what it, like, it's, it sounded like two people fighting. Like, when I walked in, I expected them

both to be fighting. Do you know what I mean? And they'll walk in and like, um, Tony's just like knocked out. like non-responsive and then you know like I said Jack was over on the the opposite side of the room

like next to one of the chairs that had turned over on his knees oh my god I forgot I'm glad I'm telling this again because I forgot a detail when he came over to me dude he slithered over to me no he did not yes he did I'm sorry I forgot that

detail but yeah that first time like when I first walk in the room I see Jack Tony in front of me look to my left I see Jack he says the oops thing he's wiping the blood all over him and then I'm like

I'm like what the F's going on what that's going on I was like you need to I was like I can't remember I think I just was saying that over and over I was like what is going on

more distressful as like every single the time I said it you know what I mean and he comes like slithering like over to me and that's then he stood up and then you know

that's when he like came after me so when you say slither okay like my first reaction my first thought that I had in my mind was somebody on the floor trying to slither over to you correct that what he did yeah so he wasn't standing there he was no no no he was like when I first walked in the room he was on his knees and then you know after I was like trying to like being like what's going on what's going on he'd said the oops thing and then he started making his way and he like slithered over towards me and then eventually stood up and then started walking towards me

afterwards. Wow. That's absurd. Yeah. Like I said, this is like movie stuff. This is like stuff that wow. Yeah. When he slithered, did it look natural? Like his spine wasn't like going the opposite way or anything like that. But the way he was moving, it's not a natural human way. Like if I would add his tape like, hey Tony, why don't you get on the ground right now and you try to slither over to me? I don't think you could do it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Or make it look the way that it looked to me. Do you know what I mean? It looked

like something out of what's the name of that? I don't know. Trying to think of one of those movies. Like the hole? What's that the name? No, I can't remember the name of that movie. But anyway, yeah, movie like any, insert any movie where like you see a possessed person slithering on the ground or something.

It was very much like that. Wow. Yeah. That's incredible, man. That's absolutely incredible. Yeah. And like I said, that's just main event part A. I got main event part B too. Wow. Before we get into main event part B, let's take a break. And when we come back, I'll let you get into that part B of this. Okay, we're back talking to Phil Anderson. And like I said earlier, Phil is a old college friend of mine. And Phil had just shared with us one of the most crazy stories I've ever heard in my life. And Phil, in the break here, we were talking. And you said to me that this is actually

the same house that you felt a tapping on your shoulder. Is that right? Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. Yep. The tapping on the shoulder thing, I'm trying to remember timeline wise. Hmm. Tapping on the shoulder was, oh man, it was after this, after, after the possession thing. So do you think it's related? Um, I don't. I think, I think the tapping on the shoulder, I never felt like afraid Like it don't even wrong It spooked me like

You know Somebody's tapping on my shoulder I turn around There's no one there Like it spooked me But it wasn't It didn't seem like it was It was evil

Or bad Or negative It just seemed like Someone trying to get my attention And trying to talk to me I don't know Yeah but like It was like totally different feeling

Than the Than the possession thing Like that that was that was dark and i could you know when you're in the midst of something like that you can feel like the evil you know around you but with the tapping thing none of none of that it was just a random i don't know if it's just a i don't know if it's just a i don't know it was an angel i i'm gonna go with that it was an angel whatever makes you sleep at night yeah like i've never see it like I've had so many of these, like, negative experiences.

Like, I always say that. I'm like, man, you know, I just, can I just have, like, one angel, like, pop by and say hello to me? Like, that would be cool. Like, I've had all these, like, horrible negative things I've seen, you know, but I've never seen an angel. That'd be cool. Yeah.

Just plugging out to God there to send me an angel. That would be cool. And I'll come back on and I'll tell you about it. Perfect. Perfect. You know, before we go into your part B of the story, I want to ask you a question. Now, I can't remember if I've already aired this interview

or if it's an interview that I've recorded, but I haven't aired yet. Okay. But I remember mentioning during an interview that there was a guy in college that would see Angels standing around his roommate. And I think it was Mike. Do you ever remember hearing Mike?

I don't want to say his last name, Mike V, talk about something like that, because I'm pretty sure he's the one who said it. it sounds now that you've like said it to me it sounds really familiar yeah like i remember i'm just going to say it's mike because i'm pretty sure it was mike but i remember mike talking about how him he would wake up at night and he looked over his roommate and he would see these people standing around him and he called it angels and i'm in my mind i'm like how do you know those angels he's all groggy he needs glasses he's like

looking over, oh, angels. Were they in robes? Were they chanting in robes? I want to know, were they chanting in robes? They weren't shadow. Like, were they? Oh, no. Because the way he described, I can't remember how he described it, but I just remember him saying

there was like, I think he said four or five people standing around his roommate. And I think at the time, his roommate was going through a really hard time. And I don't know if that's why he attributed to angels or what. Yeah, that. I feel like you are right. I feel like this is true. And if it's not Mike, then I think I definitely have heard this before.

Like, I don't remember who. We've got to do investigate some port. We'll find out. I know you still talk to Mike, so ask them. I'll ask him. I'll, like, text him after we're done and be like, hey, did you see angels around somebody in college? And if he did, tell him he needs to come on the show.

Okay, yeah, yeah. Mike's got some stories too, actually, as well. Well, then why is he not here? We'll have to get him on. Yeah, you know, the mogs in a reclusive creature, I guess. Yeah. Well, you know what? Let's get into Part B here.

What do you got for us? Okay, so this is not a personal story, but it's a family story. And it takes place in the same very town that all these other stories have taken place in besides the one. So this is in the summer of 1982. This is two years before I was born. So my mom, who was single at the time, she actually met my dad when they were living in this house, which is pretty weird. So anyway, so it's my mom, my uncle, my auntie, and they had one kid at the time, my cousin Aaron. Yeah, it was just them three at first, and then they had like other roommates that had moved in periodically throughout the time that they lived there.

Now, they only live there one year and how Onset is like set up. Like I said before, like the spiritualist people, they built a lot of cottages and stuff in Onset. So in this particular property that they had rented,

number one, the rent was really, really cheap, which should have been a red flag, number one. So they got like a really good deal on it and they were just like, wow, I can't believe like this is this cheap. Like, this is great. So it was two houses. It was like in the summertime, they would live in this little cottage.

And right next door to the cottage was the main house. And it was like this big, pretty big house, garage, full garage underneath. It's like half garage, half basement underneath, and then a first and second floor. And then the little cottage was like right next to it. And so the people that own the house, they had a lot of money. and they lived they lived like somewhere else and they would only come down for the summer

kind of deal like they had money these people and so of course they like they were trying to rent the cottage for the summer because they would come down for the summer and they would stay in the big house and they ran out the cottage and then when that family went back

I think they lived in Connecticut or something when they went back to Connecticut they my mom and Uncle Michael Antidati would move into the and they moved into the big house so anyway so that's kind of like how it worked It was like two houses, but they lived in both of them kind of deal. So anyway, they move in.

I think they said it was Memorial Day. Is Memorial Day the holiday that's in like the beginning of the summer? I can't remember. I always get Labor Day and Memorial Day mixed up. I think it is Memorial Day. Labor Day is in September, I think. Okay. So I'm pretty sure it's like Memorial Day around that time period.

So they move in. All they had done really was just like because they all worked that day. So they just set up their beds basically And set up a few things And they just kind of like went to bed So it's like 10.30 11 o'clock at night First night in this house

You know got a great deal on it Cool sweet So This is in the little cottage That they lived in first So the little cottage Really small place It's like you walk up the front steps

There's like a short teeny little porch You walk in the living room Stairs right in front of you second floor kitchen in the back that's basically it bathroom outside in another building wow yeah so it was like it was just so weird so the bathroom was like outside in like a little shack type thing i mean it had like running water power and all that stuff but anyway i'll come back to the to the bathroom so but i just thought it was weird that the bathroom was outside so the bathroom's outside so they go to bed um now at the top of the stairs like if you were to go up the

stairs, at the top of the stairs, straight ahead would be my uncle, uncles and my aunt's room. And to the right of that would have been my mom's room. So they're all going to bed. And my uncle's laying there. And like I said, it's 10.30, 11 o'clock at night. He thinks everyone's in bed. So he's like, okay, you know, all right, just about to go to sleep here. And he's just about to fall asleep. And he starts to hear footsteps coming up the stairs. So he's like, oh, that's weird. He's like, oh, it must be Vicky. Unbeknownst to my uncle, Michael, Vicki's my mom's name.

My mom's thinking the same thing. She hears the steps too. She's like, oh, must be Michael. He must have got up to go to the bathroom. I didn't hear him. You know what I mean? So he's, you know, so my uncle Michael's door is open. So he's like, he has a perfect view of the stairs.

So he's like, you know, he's expecting to see my mom start to pop up and see her. And the steps continue. and he doesn't see anybody. And he's like, well, that's weird. And as soon as he, like, thinks that, like, oh, that's strange. Right next to his bed, so, like, their bed was kind of like in the middle. And then on either side of their bed were, like, two big, heavy, like, oak bookcases. And so, like I said, they hadn't had time to set up any crib for my little cousin at the time.

Well, she's like a baby at the time. So they just, like, took one of the draws out of the bureau. and put some blankets in there and put her in the in the drawer and so here's these footsteps they come up the stairs he doesn't see anybody all of a sudden the bookshelf next to him

inexplicably starts to fall and like if so like and it's gonna if it falls it's gonna fall on his little baby daughter who's just a little you know in a little drawer that's on the ground right next to the bed so it's going to like literally fall on her. So he like jumps up

and catches the bookcase and it's really heavy and as soon as he catches it, he hears the footsteps run back down the stairs. And of course he didn't see anything. There's nothing there. And so he's like, and at this point my Auntie Doddy's awake. She gets out of bed and it's like trying to help him.

And it took three of them to push this I mean, it's like oak so it's like solid hardwood so it was heavy. So it took three of them to like put it back. And so that was like the first experience they had in the house something tried to hurt my cousin. Wow.

First night. So, I mean, two people hear the footsteps. And then he sees, now this bookshelf, did it just like kind of, like you said, inexplicably fall? Or did it like shake and then fall? Do you know? He just said it just like literally just fell like if someone just pushed it over. Wow. I mean, because I know like there's some people that would want to say, well, maybe the footsteps was.

the house settling and somehow maybe the floor was uneven and it fell. They try to find any exclamation, you know? Yeah, sure. But, I mean, when you have two people, both are saying they hear footsteps. It's kind of hard to write that off. Yeah, absolutely. And especially when we start getting into more, like, this is night one. This is like the first night there.

Right. So, like, it's just like, oh, no. And so the next thing that had happened, shortly after they had moved in. My Auntie Dottie is it's laundry day, so they're like throwing laundry down the stairs from the second floor to the hamper at the bottom of the stairs.

So they're gathering up laundry. So my Auntie Dottie, they're all set, they're all done. So they're like, all right, so they're about to walk downstairs. She doesn't even make it one step down the stairs. and like her from my uncle Michael says because he was behind her, her feet went straight up into the air and she just like fell down the stairs.

And according to her, she's like it felt like I was pushed. And so she falls down the stairs. My uncle Michael's like, oh my God. And so he tries to go after does the same thing. And of course, I will say there was no laundry on the stairs. Like there was nothing that they could have slipped on. My uncle Michael said that he was pushed. I believe him.

and so they basically they land there was like a little landing like halfway down the stairs so there was like step step steps little landing and then the rest of the steps kind of deal

so like she had like fell down the stairs and like he had just didn't hit any of the stairs just went right down and fell luckily

it was laundry day and so they landed in the clothes pile and ended up being like not too bad but my auntie Dottie was like worried she's like well you know

she's like I don't feel so good. I should get, you know, so that she went to the hospital. That day, she had found out she was pregnant with my two cousins. They were twins. Wow. Talk about connecting dots there now. Yeah. Wow. I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but the very first thing I'm thinking is the first story, it knocks a bookshelf trying to knock over, hit a kid, a baby, and now she's pregnant and she gets knocked down the stairs. Yep. I mean, to me, it sounds like, like this thing has something against babies. Oh, absolutely.

Actually, I'm going to jump to something that ties right into that since we're talking about babies. So back in the 80s and the 70s, they had these things called like toy parties or like Tupperware. You know what I mean? People would like go to people's houses. They'd like have stuff to sell or whatever. And like, you know, like that was a thing people did back in the 80s and stuff. So they had this like toy party, they called it, which is just like basically.

not like sex toys, but it was like, like, I don't know, like soup ladles and whatever, you know what I mean, Tupperware stuff. Like, I don't know. Stuff like that. So they're going to have this whole thing. It's getting towards the end of summer. And so a whole bunch of people are like coming over the house. And so they're like unloading stuff out of my great uncle's car because he was the one that was running it and stuff. And then all of a sudden, they start hearing what sounds like that.

like a baby crying. And now this is like the end of summer. So in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in this area, there's a lot of summer houses. Like I said, a lot of cottages and stuff. And at this time, there was a lot of people that didn't live there full year round. So, I mean, we're talking the neighborhood's pretty empty at this point. Like, there's a few people around that live there year around like they did, but not that many. Not as many as like peak summertime. Peak summertime, the whole neighborhood would have been full. So this is like, End of summer winding down, they start hearing a baby cry. And so they're like, oh, man, they're like, oh, did you hear that?

That sounds like a baby. And multiple people hear it. And so they're like, oh, it sounds like it's coming from across the street. They leave the yard to go across the street. They don't hear it anymore, which is weird. And so, anyway, I'm fast forward to like 2015. I'm telling this story to my other aunt on the other side of the family, my dad's side of the family. come to find out, guess what?

They lived in that neighborhood as well when they were kids. And apparently there was a baby that had passed away in that area tragically or something like that. See, I don't know if it's a residual type thing, because it was a tragic event and it's like a tape recorder playing itself over and over at certain times of the year or whatever. Or if this was an actual entity or whatever. but they would hear the same thing baby crying they would call the cops hey there's a baby in this house across the street there's no one in the house those people just left today like can you check it out the cops would go over there by the time they got there no baby crying they wouldn't find anything nothing and so they did the same thing you know because they're like we hear a baby over there

and i know these people just left today but i don't know maybe you know maybe someone abandoned a baby like who knows so they called the cops by the time the cops you know they're like they're got there, they didn't find anything, nothing. Which makes that story like really validated because it's like over, we're talking over 20 year period, two different people, two different years, 20 years apart here, the same thing. You know, a baby crying, which was sometimes also accompanied by a woman crying. Like it would be like baby crying, a woman like sobbing. Like that's what makes me think it might be a residual type thing.

where it's like just a horrible memory that imprinted in that area of maybe a motherluster child and it's like, you know, I don't know. But that's one of the weird things. But to make it even weirder, towards the end of summer, like I said, everyone's left primarily.

All of a sudden, my auntie day ends on the back porch and, or actually it's a front porch, screened in, thank God. And so all of a sudden this, what they described to me as a gypsy woman, like dressed in traditional gypsy stuff, like old school, like black dress. Like, I'm trying to think of a movie that could best describe. Like when you think of a gypsy in a cartoon, like, that's what it looked like, that's what she looked like, you know what I mean? But all in black, like black veil, all in black. She comes, and they'd never seen this woman ever before, never saw her.

after that ever again she comes walking up to the house randomly and her four uncle said her her voice was like really strange like crackily like the best way he described it to me

he's like she kind of sounded like the wicked witch from the west like that kind of a voice okay and like crackling laughing and this is where the story gets weird So she doesn't say anything to them, just as like crackling, laughing, tries to open the screen door. And my auntie daughter is like, excuse me, what are you doing? Like, what do you want? And she's like, I want to come into your house.

And she's like, no. And at this point, she's like, Michael, Michael, Michael comes to the door. And he looks at this woman and her eyes are black, like jet black. solid black, kind of like black-eyed kids. If you ever hear any stories like that. Yeah, that's exactly what I was just thinking. And that's because when I was asking him about this, I asked

what her eye color was because I was thinking about black-eyed kids. I was like, I wonder if there's any connection. He was like, yeah, her eyes were completely black. And so she like took two steps backwards, went to the left, kept on walking.

And my uncle was like, oh, she, no, she went she went around to like the back or was going to was walking towards the back of the house and so he's like oh no no no so he like walks around and either tries to see her through a window or goes around the house and looks nowhere to be found gone like when he went out he should have saw her because she wasn't walking very fast it's an old lady like he should you should have seen her at the very least walking away it's like as if she disappeared wow um yeah i mean that's the very first thing when you said the black eye.

Now, before you even said that she had black eyes, when you said that she went up to the door and was pulling on it, and your aunt, is your aunt, right? Yeah. Yeah, she said, what do you want? And she's like, I want to come in. Your aunt said, no. If soon as you said that, I was like,

that sounds just like the black eyed kids. Yeah. They asked to come in and you have to say no, because if you let them in, who knows what happens, you know? Exactly. Then you say that her eyes are black. I wonder if it's anything related. I think so, man.

I think so. I think it's definitely negative. It's not good. I know that. Just based on the way they were describing her. I mean, it was just that she like popped out of a different time period from what they described. Yeah. Like the way she was dressed, like very like, I hate to say, 1840s, you know, 18, like, you know, like 1800s-ish.

So that long ago. Mm-hmm. Um, like that's, that's the way they just, they described her. Like, like, like old classic gypsy that you would see like in a, it depicted in a movie if they do, you know. Yeah, just really weird. Um, and that, it doesn't get, it gets weird and weirder. I got more with this house. So anyway, remember how I said the bathroom was outside? Yeah. Okay. So on multiple occasions, whatever reason. You could only lock the bathroom from the inside. And there was like a little gap on the bottom of the bathroom door. So, I mean, somebody could have like crawled in there and locked it from the inside and crawled back out. But who would ever do that? So anyway, this would happen a lot where like they'd someone would go to use the bathroom. Guess what?

It's locked. So on one of these occasions, it was locked and it was my uncle. He goes up to it. It's locked. The lights on inside. And he's like, why? He's like, really? And then all of a sudden, he hears the toilet flush.

right he's he's like is anybody in there and you know of course he's like he looks underneath there's no you know no feet and there's no one in there at all so um one of the other roommates like crawled in unlocked it and stuff and but yeah the bathroom was locked from the inside and then it flushed wow as if the ghost is going to the bathroom like i don't understand that there's a lot of stuff going on around there dude dude this house this place i'm telling you it's just i got more um So, another thing, yeah, we're still in the cottage. Yeah, we're still in the cottage too. Yeah, okay.

That might be it for the cottage. Oh, no. Never mind. Check those notes. Yeah, I'm checking the notes now. So anyway, like I said, they had rented it from a family. It was a husband and wife. And for what they said to me, the wife was really nice, really nice lady.

The husband was quiet, reserved, but he was nice enough. their son on the other hand was a total different totally different so from what they described to me because they used to come like I said they used to come down for the summer

and one of the first things they noticed about not only their family but they had a cat and I feel so horrible about this but the cat's eyes were gone

like the cat had no eyes or at least had one plucked out or whatever didn't have eyes anyway that's going to come that's going to be relevant towards the end of the story you'll know why okay so

they're out in the backyard they're hanging out maybe barbecuing I'm not sure what they were doing and they can all of a sudden they hear the little kid next door and he's a young kid I don't know how old he was maybe not a teen out not old enough to be a teenager so a grade school

kid and they hear him well they hear stuff back there and they're like what is going on back there because what they hear is like three different voices going on three entirely different you know voices you know weird so three different voices are going on they then they look over there and it's just that kid their son or whatever and he's and he used to always have seizures and all and have a bunch of issues and and so um uh one of of, yeah, like I said, multiple different voices would go into like screaming fits and stuff like that.

And like not natural voices, much like what I described in my story that I had. For what they told me, it was like, this isn't normal noises any child should be making. You know what I mean? Like dark, raspy male voices that a kid probably couldn't make, most of them. likely. I mean, maybe if they were trying hard enough, but not, not, the kid was not normal, put it that way. So they, they pretty much speculated that the kid was possessed, um, which I, I tend to believe just based on what, you know, the description of the kid and how we had, you know, just all kinds of issues and, and the, either that or he had multiple

personality disorder, one or the other. But, um, I, I tend to think it was more of the demon possession to be honestly just based on the house and the paranormal activity and stuff that went on there um so anyway

fast forward um i told you about the old woman moaning and stuff right and the the baby baby crying um i think you mentioned the old woman okay yeah so it was it was

it would accomplish sometimes it would just be the baby crying and then other times it would you would hear the baby crying but then you would also hear a woman moaning. Oh yeah. Okay. Crying or like an agony or in torment over something that has happened to her or something. Like just, you know, I can only imagine what it sounded like.

But, you know, a woman moaning like that was in some emotional distress, extreme emotional distress. Okay. And like I said, they leave the yard and they wouldn't hear it. You know what I mean? Which is, blows my mind. I don't understand how that works because if it's a real sound. if it's somebody, the sound's not going to just stop once you leave the yard or go across the street. Do you know what I mean?

Like if someone's like moaning like that or in pain, you're going to like and they're that loud, you're going to hear them across the street. You're going to hear them down the street, especially at this time of year when the neighborhood's really quiet because a lot of people left. Well, in that situation, I mean, off the top of my head, I'm thinking of two circumstances that there could be playing out here. one, that there is an intelligent entity that is moaning and sees them leaving the yard and stops every time they leave intentionally for whatever, for whatever reason.

Or this is more trippy. Something is projecting sound into people's heads. Either way, it's really good. I hope it's not that one. Right. You know what I mean? Oh, yikes. So this is where the...

the story is going to get interesting because we're going to get into cryptids here. And I know you like cryptids. Awesome. So my uncle, it's my uncle, my dad, who's now dating my mom at this time, they're driving, going to the house or leaving the house, one of the other, it doesn't matter. So they're driving. All of a sudden, something like jumps out in front of the car. And at first, my uncle Michael's like, oh, my God, it's like a person. And he's like, oh, my God, it hit, it hit someone. Like it was that close Like he thought he was going to hit someone And then

He turns around And He's from what he saw He sees this Short No higher than three foot tall Imp like creature That walked on two legs

Best the way I could describe it It would be like In Ireland they have like tails of of creatures like this. They're called Elementals out there. Yeah. So that's like the, that's the word I'm going to use.

I don't know what they were. But he said, um, he described it as, um, hairy, like completely covered in hair. Um,

short and like, monkey like, kind of monkey imp like looking, like, which is really disturbing. Um, so like, yeah,

they see this thing and, you know, of course, the way that it jumped in front of the car, they should have hit it, but nothing happened. They just literally drove through it. They turn around.

Nothing's there kind of deal. Fast forward, they move into the big house because summer's ending, and so there's no heat in the cottage, so they have to move to the main house. The owners of the house have gone back to wherever they're from. And so,

first night, they're in the big house. Two, two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning, the witching hour. They hear stuff moving around downstairs like furniture in the middle of the night. And so my uncle wakes up and he's like, who in the hell is up right now rearranging the living room? Like, are you serious? Like, you know, that's what his first thought was like, who, like maybe someone couldn't sleep and they're kind of like, you know, moving stuff around. and so

of course he gets up and goes to the top of the stairs hearing all this movement and by the time he's like to the top of the stairs

everyone else in the house is kind of like up and like what's going on and so by the time they walk down the stairs everything stops moving

they get to the bottom of the stairs and there's a rocking chair like right in the middle of the stairs like at the bottom of the stairs like in the middle

of the stairway that's creepy yeah and so like this one happen a lot. Like they were just like they go to bed two or three o'clock in the morning furniture moving around. So my dad being the slick guy that he is, he's like, you know what? Why don't we just leave the furniture where they put it and see if it happens? And we, they did.

They left it there and it didn't happen nearly as often. Really? Yeah, which is weird. So it wanted the furniture in certain places. Certain places, yeah. I don't know. But I feel like this house has multiple things in it. Like there's definitely like negative stuff, but there also could be, like I said, it was the spiritualists. So they could have, you know, it could be a real ghost too. There could be ghosts there too. I don't know. Yeah.

But I'm just telling you what they told me. So like that was one of the things that would happen. Another thing that would happen in the middle of the night, like they would have this heater and it would always never failed at least. three to four times a week in the middle of the winter, it would trip in the middle of the night. Like, for no reason, they always have it checked out. Nothing was wrong with the heating system.

It shouldn't do that. Like, it went out as if someone blew the pilot out, basically. It was like one of those old style furnaces. Yeah. So all you had to do was just, like, push a button, and then it would pop back on, basically. So this happened all the time.

And then they'd have people, like, come over and check it out. Like I said, nothing wrong with the furnace. inexplicable reason why it shouldn't do that in the middle of the night. You know what I mean? But that would happen a lot. And then I think I'm going to, I think this is towards the end now. Okay. So we're going to wind down towards the end of the story now.

So they spent a whole year in this place and they're like, no, we're done. Like we can't live here anymore. So they like, they start cleaning up. And it's like the last night that they're there. like I said, two, three o'clock in the morning. Last night they're there. Everything's pretty much, like, a lot of stuff's already moved out. I think they still have their beds there, obviously, and a few other things.

And, you know, you know those addicts where it's like, it's not the ones you pull down? It's like a little square and you push the little square and then you have to like literally hop into it to get in there. Like there's no stairs kind of deal. It was one of those. And so my uncle hears. like it open or like he was like rustling or movement over there like and he's like what's going on

and and this was at the like right in front of his doorway was the attic thing and so he hears this and he's like what and all of a sudden down from the attic jumps down this impolite creature that he had saw

in the street no way that very same one in the house In the house. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Last night that they're there, that they were there. Spoiler alert, they left right then and there.

Like they were done. Yeah, but yeah, same creature. Same exact creature and everything. But I do have a sad part of the story. I have to tell it because it's true and it's what happened. So they, like I said, after this happened, after this impolite creature jumps down from the attic and like disappears in front of his eyes. He's like, nope, we're leaving now. It's like four o'clock in the morning. They like, they pack up some stuff as much stuff as they can take and

they're like, all right, we'll come back tomorrow morning, like whenever, you know, seven o'clock, eight o'clock in the morning, we'll clean the rest of the house up and then we'll just get out of here, you know, because during the day, not a lot of stuff would happen. It was at night mostly that stuff would happen. So my uncle and my aunt had this cat and they unfortunately left the cat in the house. And so when they had arrived the next morning, as soon as they opened the door, this poor cat came running like as fast, like it was going crazy. And both of the cat's poor eyes were gouged out.

That's how the cat lost its eyes? No, this is a different cat. This is their cat. I was talking about the neighbor's cat. Oh. So like, this is like their cat. Like when they had left at four o'clock in the morning, the cat was fine. No, you know, their eyes were fine.

The cat was normal. They get back the next day. Actually, just a few hours later, because it was like 8 o'clock in the morning. So four hours later, four hours later, they get back. The cat's freaking out. Like, they open the door. The cat's, like, running around as fast as it can. Like, it won't come near them.

And they look at it, and both of the cat's eyes are gouged out. And before they could, like, get the cat or even, like, try to, like, stop it. The cat just, like, took off, took off on him and ran away. never saw the cat again so that was their cat yeah it loses its eyes runs out of the house they never saw it again correct yep that's so sad it is it is i know i hate to leave i such a downer wow but at the same time like yeah it's sad but like that's evil man yeah and so evilness the other cat that had missing eyes I mean, can we safely say that it probably came from the same thing? Yeah, I think so.

Probably that impolite creature, my guess. My guess. That's insane. Yeah. All right, so this impolite creature, like, was it covered in hair? Yes, that's what he said. He said it was covered in hair. Wow.

Short, too, very short. Not like a big foot. Because I asked him, I was like, it's like covered in hair. I was like, you mean like a big foot? And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. Like short, like three foot at the most. there's these um oh i'm trying to blank but there's these smaller creatures people say they see that's like a bigfoot only smaller and uh i've never heard of being in the house

but i've seen i've seen cast like people i've shown cast of these little tiny footprints that people find out in the middle of the woods yeah in middle nowhere and uh you know like wow in the attic in the attic well and there's another thing dude it disappeared too yeah i was just thinking that just thinking that like this is something that like this isn't like yeah yeah this is parent like this thing had paranormal abilities like like this wasn't just like some random ape that escaped from the zoo or something or some sort of unknown species i mean if it is it has paranormal abilities and that might be the first time besides maybe a bigfoot that has paranormal abilities but right i mean nothing like that i've never heard anything like that i've never heard anything like that

this before um where it had it just disappeared like that and it did it twice did he say that maybe how did it move did it move like a person would move or did it kind of like i don't know like did he describe how its characteristics were and how it moved um i'm pretty sure he said it it walked on it walked on twos it didn't walk on fours um wow you know i i have to ask him about that i did like um i did sit down and like kind of like ask him a bunch of questions i'll send you the sound clip and maybe he describes it in there if he doesn't i'll ask him and that like like i said majority of the stories i told you besides one all happened in this little little town onset massachusetts spiritualist uh safe haven that's incredible which i think is the reason why

there's so much paranormal activity there like i said you know like who knows what people opened up. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. It's just their vacation spot. You know what I mean? So like, they were doing a lot of stuff here. And like Native Americans used to live here as well back in the day. So who knows? I can only imagine. That's amazing. I mean, it really is amazing. And you did a good job with painting the background of the town and letting us know that this town has a history behind it. And there's a reason why these things happen everywhere. And things are connected, like just the cats. Like, that was, that's a, there's a connection there, you know.

The fact that your uncle saw this thing in the car and then in the house, you know, and it's just things are connected. And wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Oh, and then, like, all, like, that whole story has connections. Like the baby crying, like my, my, my, both of my aunts heard it. My aunt, they used to live there when they were kids. and they heard that. So we're talking like the 50s, 60s, they heard that and then fast forward to 82 and they're hearing the same thing. Yeah. Like that's validation. You know what I mean?

Like something's going on. You know, like, I don't know. I mean, that's the thing. Multiple people saw these things. Multiple people heard these things and experienced these things all at the same time. It's not like I experienced something. I tell you about it. Then tomorrow you come and say, hey, that happened to me too. Like these people are experiencing these things all. at the same time. And that's just amazing. Oh, man, that's just incredible. Phil, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing this stuff tonight, man. Yeah, not a problem, man. Anytime, anytime. It was always good to hang out with you. And I did want to get these kind of stories out because I never actually had told, like my personal stories. Like here and there, like the tapping, I've told

many different people. But the possession stuff, like, you know, that's just not something you like to bring up, you know, because some people tell the wrong person, they think it might be crazy. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely. So, like, it's not something I like to talk about. And I will say, I mean, I meant to say this in the beginning, but, you know, like, I like to share these stories to try to make other people, people feel good, a little bit better if they have experienced something like this as well, that they're not crazy. And, you know, but also I want to say that I'm not glorifying this in any way whatsoever. like all like a lot of the stuff i've seen personally has been evil and stuff and i'm not promoting

that i am promote the opposite of that but i just want to get it out there so other people know you know you're not crazy you know like this kind of stuff does happen spiritual warfare is real demons are real angels are real and whether you believe them or not you know they're there and they believe in you yeah and that's absolutely right man like that's what this whole show is about. The whole show is about people feeling comfortable coming forward to share what they've experienced so other people can feel comfortable coming forward and sharing what they've experienced, you know? It's like the ripple effect. And that's why I called the show what I call it, you know, like just people come forward and share what you saw and get it off your chest. And,

you know, there's a lot of times that people can just, from talking about it, able to move on and just, you know, carry on in life. And I don't know, because it hampers them. throughout their life. But yeah, man, I couldn't agree more. And I really appreciate coming on. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. If you want to hear Tony on our old podcast, I will tweet out a link or something. And so you guys can check that out. What's your Twitter handle? Twitter handles at Snealing. It's S-N-E-A-L-I-N-G-G-Snealing. Canadian Dutchboys.com. Awesome. Sounds good, man. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Bye.

Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. Check out our Patreon page at patreon.com backslash the confessionals if you'd like to support the show. And also check out Phil's show, The Sneeling and Dealin podcast. He misspelled it actually on the show. It's actually the Sneeland, S-N-E-A-L-I-N and Dealin, D-E-A-L-N podcast. So the Sneelan and Deelan podcast.

Check it out. It's on iTunes, Podbean, and... I'm sure it's on other playing platforms. And I was also actually a guest on his show twice. He has two different shows, and I was a guest on each of them. If you want to listen to those episodes, go to Confessionalspodcast.com, and it will be in the description of this show. So go ahead and check that out.

And also, he sent me some audio that he did with an interview with his family. That will also be on the website. So check out all that extra content for you guys. It's well over five hours of listening material. I hope you guys enjoy it. Take care. And I will see you. next week right here in 2018 on the Confessionals. I'll see you next Saturday night.

Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. And I need all of you to stop what you're doing and listen. And I also forgot to tell you guys, I want to let you know that this week's outro music is actually a compilation of this year 2017's biggest songs. It has over 130 songs mashed up together in just under 10 minutes. So I really hope you guys enjoy that. Have a great New Year's Eve. Stay safe.

And I will see you next Saturday in 2018 right here on The Confessionals. Take care.