The Confessionals - 504: Finding Cattle Mutilations and Seeing Santa

Episode Date: December 20, 2022

In Episode 504: Finding Cattle Mutilations and Seeing Santa, we are joined by Brett. He originally contacted the show to share his paranormal experiences, and disclosed that he is a 40-year-old man who still believes in Santa Claus because he claims to have seen him with his own eyes. Brett has kids of his own and knows where their presents come from at Christmas, but he also knows what- or rather, who - he witnessed as a child! After discussing his Santa encounter and his paranormal experiences, Brett also describes how he stumbled across multiple cattle mutilations, and the peculiar situation surrounding his findings.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCrypto-Color (Coloring Book For Kids)Purchase Non-Signed Copy Here: https://amzn.to/3Yn23RlPurchase Signed Copy Here: https://www.merkel.media/store/p/cryptocolorWATCH Expedition Dogman: https://amzn.to/3OVyUs6Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET Gerber Life: www.gerberlifefamily.comGET Cerebral: getcerebral.com/tonyGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals16 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 FREE MEALS!!!GET Beard Oil: bit.ly/2FbOhN5GET ExpressVPN: www.expressvpn.com/confessGET Uncommon Goods: www.uncommongoods.com/tony for 15% off your purchaseCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - Agartha (feat. Nergui)YouTube | Apple Music | SpotifyAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

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today we actually have our technical Christmas show. I might be here showing up for you guys on Christmas Day, but I'm not sure yet because the idea I have is going to take a lot of production. And this week specifically, I am really crammed with the family time. So I might be here on Christmas Day. I may not be, but I do got a Christmas show for you right now because we have Brett coming on the show. And Brett was supposed to be the Christmas Day show last year, but I couldn't remember his name. I had him in my archive, but I couldn't remember his name. I couldn't find the show to put it out for you guys. And I wanted to be on Christmas Day because Brett is a 40-year-old man with kids and he believes in Santa Claus because he saw Santa when he was a kid and he stands by it.

He also talks about his paranormal experiences walking in on his sister doing a Ouija board, some divine experiences. But he also talks about coming across a cattle mutilation site in Colorado. And let me tell you, friends, cattle mutilations, I'm learning more and more, may not be exactly what you think they are. We don't cover it on this episode because I came across new information recently, but I'm just telling you, catam mutilations, very interested in that topic right now. All right, let's get to this Christmas episode right now with Brett,

who saw Santa, believes in Santa, and all his other paranormal experiences. Let's go. All right, today we got Brett on the show. Brett, what's going on, man? Hey, how's it going, Tony? Man, things are going good. dude man listen you have different experiences man like so some of this stuff is uh wiji board related cattle mutilations hauntings angels challenging god and my favorite you've seen santa i want to hear

about that too so i told you i told you before we started i said you're probably the first adult i've ever met that actually believes in santa claus and i'm interested to hear about it so yes sir kind of a bizarre thing for sure. Yeah, for sure, man. I just think it's interesting because I've never had an email like that before. I was like, oh, that's interesting. So I think I was five or six, and my brother and I, we were sharing a room. My parents had a four-bedroom house at the time, but all of us lived upstairs, and it was a traditional 60s, so the bedrooms were very close by. They weren't big bedrooms, nothing like that. But my brother and I, we were sharing this room. And it was Christmas Eve and it's all kids are on Christmas Eve. I couldn't sleep.

I was super excited. I was like, oh yeah, man, Santa Claus is coming tonight. And I was like, oh, well, you know, I can't like calm down and I can't settle myself out. So I climbed on my brother's bed and I was looking out of our back window, which faced north west. And I was just looking I was literally looking for the star of Bethlehem which you know obviously isn't a thing now

but I didn't know that is a kid right I was just anticipating looking for a bright star in the sky and I look out there and it being Christmas Eve kind of did a double take because I saw

a slave and I saw it's in profile right So from my perspective, it was a sleigh and somebody in it. And four reindeer that were going across the sky. And I just, my jaw hit my brother's bed, eventually. Holy cow, that's insane.

And it went out of view across the sky. And I ran into my parents' room to tell them. I had just seen Santa Claus. My mom was, she was up. smoking a cigarette normally that was that was the go-to

and so mom I just saw Santa I just saw Santa Claus she was like yeah yeah that's you know that's good go to sleep or you will get presents oh okay but mom like really

I literally literally just saw Santa Claus no no I know that's good awesome I'm glad you saw him cool go to sleep and I just got to drop there and I guess I go back to sleep. But I have not met another human beings that had that experience.

And it was fleeting. And it was just bizarre. But it opened up the potential, I guess, for things that are possible. Does that make sense? Yeah, like the what if in life. I mean, it kind of opened your mind up to if this is possible, what else is possible? For sure. And at that point

I was young enough that I was No matter what I was I was all in on scent anyway But after that I was still All in on scent and now whether or not You know whoever delivers the presents under the tree kind of thing But Dude it just blew my hair back I got nothing on it

I can't explain it There wasn't like a weird decal on my On our window in the bedroom there was some weirdness to that. There was nothing that could make that shape or outline or make it move across the sky like it did. It just was. And I kind of just accepted that as a go point.

Yeah. Well, I mean, so what are your thoughts on Santa Claus now as an adult? I mean, anybody who is listening right now and maybe they're listening with their kids that They may not want to hear certain things. This is my delay in conversation for you to stop the show, maybe escort the kids out of the room. Right, right. Just tell the kids to go have some ice cream, Oreos, you know, we're just delaying right now. I think I've given you enough time to pause it at least.

So as an adult, what are your thoughts on Santa Claus knowing that you have kids yourself, you're married. You know you go Christmas shopping every year. You know you put gifts underneath the tree. All that kind of stuff. What are your thoughts on Santa Claus beings that you know what you saw as a kid, but you also know what you know as an adult? Yeah.

That's a good question. I don't know how to justify it. Because like you said, I mean, as an adult, you know where the presidents come from and puts them under the tree and how you address that as a parent and the things that you go through and the rigmarole of shopping and I don't know.

I really just don't have an answer for it. I don't. I wish I did. I wish I knew. It's just such a bizarre anomaly that you're like, man, what was that? But there's only one thing that I know of

that rides in a sleigh and has reindeer pulling it across the sky. some disease, you know? So. Yeah, and that's the thing. I mean, it's, it's hard to almost quantify in your own head, knowing what you saw as a kid, believing what you saw as a kid, but also knowing, you know, you buy your kids gifts for Christmas and every year you guys unwrapped Christmas presents and it's always the presents you bought. So it's like, you know, what, like, I, I hate to to even say this because I don't know I don't know how it would come across

not to you because I'm not worried about that but even just to the listening audience but like is it possible that what you saw was an apparition of some kind like on a spiritual level you know what I'm saying like because I just absolutely possible man I don't know I mean that's what

knowing knowing that we know actually very little about the world we live in, which is kind of a large statement to make, but not inaccurate. Seeing that compared to what some of the people on your show have stated and seen and been through and lived through,

I mean, that's not even that big of a deal, but it's just such a bizarre incident that, I mean, where did that even, where did the Santa Claus tradition even really start from? I mean, you can look back on, text and history and oh yeah so you know supposedly a Nordic tradition okay well where did that start from you know my my grandpa was and this is kind of a weird story side side note i guess um so not my grandpa but my great grandpa my great grandpa grew up in sweden and one day he was he was

walking home from school and he got treated by a moose like a moose charged him a bull moose and he climbed up the tree and as the story goes again not there can't verify any of this but as the story goes the tuntugopens which are like swedish elf folk came out and got the moose away from the tree so he could get home so we know very little about what our existence is and how deep it goes i don't i have no idea yeah I mean I can't even fathom what it was and could it have been a spiritual thing absolutely for sure yeah and that's just thing man

like it's just it's bizarre to even consider you know being knowing what we know as adults and stuff but knowing what you saw it's just like man like what what could that have been uh and you know it is like is

I mean I don't know I mean Is it possible that what you saw was Santa, the guy who lives at the North Pole? Or is it something totally different? Like you said, you were talking about the origins and traditions and where things come from. I mean, who freaking knows, right? Yeah, absolutely. Who knows?

I just know what I saw. And even as an adult male now with kids of my own, I still stand by exactly what I saw. I know what I saw. So do you tell people this around Christmas time? Like if you're at like a company Christmas party or something, you tell people about this story at all? Only if I'm wearing a crazy sweater. Or you had a little too much to drink.

Right, right. Hit the eggnog a little hard. I'm not overly shy about it. It's not a thing that I would ever pull back. I mean, I've told my son and my daughter it before, and obviously my wife knows too. Because it was just such a weird thing. I mean, I don't know many people.

I don't know. Actually, I don't know anyone. They can say, oh, yeah, I've seen Santa Claus, but I actually have seen Santa Claus. It's a bizarre thing. What it was, I don't know. So here's the coolest thing about this. You can literally look at your kids as children with a straight face and said, kids, I saw Santa Claus.

And you do not lie to your kids. You're telling your kids you saw Santa Claus. Like your kids are are have such a unique fun dad around Christmas time that's that's that's that's cool that's cool. That's cool. Nice. Yeah man. That's cool man. Listen, I literally just made a decision this is going to be my Christmas day episode because of this story. So yeah. That's cool. Yeah. I mean shoot man you you saw you saw you saw Santa Claus in the sleigh last year we had uh Rachel on the show who was almost abducted by a guy who looked like Santa Claus. Oh, dude, that was a crazy podcast.

Yeah, yeah. That episode was insane, man. I was on the edge of my feet the whole time. Tell me about it. When I was sitting there, I was like, holy crap, holy crap, you know? I was like, you know, when she said he looked like a dirty Santa Claus, that's when I was like, I know what I'm calling the show. Dirty Santa. Yeah, sir.

Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, that was that was a bizarre thing, man. And one of the, one of the other people that I turned on your podcast was my sister. And it was because of the episode of being dragged down the hallway. Yeah. Melissa. Yeah.

Melissa, she, she had quite the experience. I mean, when people ask, literally just today, I was doing a live on YouTube where I was just like doing a live, ask me anything on YouTube. And somebody asked me, like, what episode gave you the most creeped out feeling? and I said episode 175, it dragged me down the hallway. I'll never forget that episode. It was the first time that I was like sitting there thinking, holy crap. I mean, this thing literally drug her out of her bed down the hallway into the living room. And like her whole story was just jaw dropping, man.

And then from her story, I had another lady named Lindsay on the show who described her paranormal experiences and how before it would kick in, she started hearing a windmill sound just like Melissa said that she heard. And then I had somebody recently email me saying, I forget, like, I think it was that one of their relatives had this bizarre experience and the wind sound came into effect. And I, they're like, did you ever hear anything like this? I'm like, yes. And I sent them the interviews that I did with it on. And I'm like, please, like, I want to know what's going on. I haven't heard back. And I really hope that they're listening right now. And they're like, oh, yeah, I haven't emailed them back because I really want to know what happened, you know, because it's just, it's, and that's what really gets me, like,

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use the insurance money to help cover your financial expenses or anything else. Your kids already inherited your ears, allergies, and questionable singing voice. Don't make them inherit your final expenses too. See website for terms and restrictions. My sister was in the basement and I guess she was, my dad had built this bookshelf. I guess a little backstory on the house is kind of peculiar too. not an old house. It was built in the early 70s, late 60s, early 70s, something like that. But the area that it's built on used to be an airfield during World War II. And before that, the whole area was an old train station. And so God only knows what has happened in that area. But she was downstairs in the basement. and we're in Colorado, so basements are pretty normal here.

And she was looking on the bookshelf for a book, and something grabbed her legs and started dragging her towards eventually what ended up being my bedroom when I was a teenager. Wow. So, yeah. And she swears up and down, left and right about this, and she went upstairs, screaming, crying, obviously, you know, terrified. she might have been four or five at the time, I think,

and told my mom and mom, I was like, oh, yeah, it might have been just gravity. You know, I don't know what other excuse you could give. You're certainly probably not going to tell your child, oh, yeah, it was a ghost just trying to take you into a bedroom or an entity. You know, I mean, that's, you would probably try to explain it away, but the fact remains, you know, she was taken off of her feet and drugged to a bedroom.

and then finally shook it off enough, I guess, to get away and ran up the stairs. But our whole, I have a younger brother and an older sister, and all of us have had experiences in that basement, in the house, really, but mostly it's centralized to the basement area. So, I mean, growing up, every time you were at the bottom of the stairs, if you started walking up, you felt this, this presence behind you going up the stairs. And it would kind of motivate you to, you know, move your feet faster. It's just a weird feeling. I don't know how to describe it, but it was like a feeling of dread. Something was going to overtake you.

And it was sinister in nature, something you did not want to happen. And so, I mean, I had sleep paralysis twice in my life. And it was both times in that basement where you think you wake up, or at least I thought I woke up. And I'm not able to really look around. And one of the times I imagined that my mom had come in and she was doing laundry, but I had been doing my laundry, my own laundry for years at this point. You know, like it tan my mom was like, you're on your own, do it yourself, which is good. but I imagine that she had come in

and she was trying to talk to me and I was trying to talk to her but I couldn't make any sounds with my mouth I couldn't put any words together and I was pinned down and she left and I was kind of screaming inside myself in a weird way like I just I don't know what it was

sleep paralysis describes it exactly but there was nothing else to it besides that and the other time was similar to that also where you're just helpless. I was pinned down to a couch watching static on the TV

and there's nothing I could do. There's just nothing. Can't move, can't scream, can't get away. And then eventually you just kind of come to or wake up and like, wow, that was a really,

really bizarre occurrence. What was the static about? I mean, something normal or was that like part of this experience? Yeah, no, just the static on the TV. It was like snow. I, you know how like

when TV stations would go off air, they don't do that anymore. But when they used to, you'd have the, or you had a like a bad coaxial connection and it would it was just that on the TV and all of a sudden my right arm was pinned down. My left arm got pinned down and then both my legs were pinned down and I was sitting there.

on the couch looking at the TV. I couldn't see anything, but I couldn't move. Was the static something that was normal as far as like, you know, the station you had just gone off air and that's why it was static? Or are we talking about like, you know,

you, there wasn't a reason for there to be static on the TV, yet there was during this experience? The second. There wasn't a reason for there to be static on the TV, but that was. Gotcha. So,

yeah. So that's bizarre. That's bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. Because both of those happened when I was a teenager. And so having those experiences in that basement with that kind of a situation just, I mean, made you more than terrified, you know? Yeah.

No, I totally get. And so you're a teenager when these things happen. So, I mean, you know. you know what the TV schedule thing is and all that. And with the static popping up, that's something that's just sticking out to me. And I don't know exactly why. Maybe subconsciously, I've heard something on the show before. Maybe the listeners are listening like, yeah, it's from episode 36, you know. Right. But I can tell you one thing, man, I've had my own experience with a dream that had a static man come at me in my house.

And I always, yeah, I always describe it as he was tall, very tall. If people want, they can go on on the YouTube channel. And I posted a video recently now. I'm recording this in what? This is August 9th of 2021. But if you go on the YouTube channel and look for that date around that time, I just posted a video of my house because there's some bizarre things happening around my house.

And I tell this story on that video. But this, this gigantic. gigantic. It was a very real dream. Like it's very real. Like I've said before in the show, I don't remember my dreams. Only the bad ones. And this thing, I was sleeping in my living room for real. Like I was literally in my living room sleeping. And I was dreaming that I was laying on my couch, which I was. And this like static man came marching up the stairs of my basement, bust the door open to my kitchen, comes around the corner. And that's when I wake up. I jump off the couch, like ready to fight because I'm like, what the heck. But this thing was like almost as tall

as a ceiling. It was made of made of complete TV looking static. Very bizarre. Wow. Very bizarre. That's insane. What did you, what did you do after that? Like, I mean, I went back to sleep. How did you get back to? I had to work the next day. I gotcha. Yeah, no, I, I mean, I shook it off. I just kind of stood in the middle of living room just like what the heck was that and uh you know i i turned the lights on and i slept the lights on for sure but uh yeah i mean i went back to sleep and uh i i'll never forget that one that was a weird one for sure but um yeah i mean so maybe that's why it's sticking out my head with your experience because of the static and then the paranormal x or the uh sleep paralysis along with that static on the tv

has a very like ring vibe to it yeah it does yeah for certain So the basement Your sister had that experience Had that experience in the basement When she was what? You said like four? I think she was four or five Yeah

Okay And outside Yeah it was kind of a Go ahead No I just That was Always kind of the The norm

At least in our family Was like the basement Was just kind of a weird place I will note that all of the experiences that I had had there and bad feelings, when I got saved, they stopped. They just stopped. And I thought that was peculiar also. Yeah, it's interesting.

Let me ask you this. Yeah, man. So you had the sleep paralysis in the basement twice. Your sister had that experience. Did you, your sister or anybody in your house have any other tangible experiences outside of feelings? Yeah. So my sister and her best friend, they like to dabble in the occult when they were younger. As in Ouija boards.

And they had a Milton Bradley Wii G board, right? I mean, not one of the cool old ones that's handmade or carved or artistic, if you will. Just a normal, every day, something you can still probably buy at Walmart. But I remember walking down into what would eventually be my room when they were playing in there with candles. And the feeling in that room was enough to make me run up the stairs. I think it was probably seven or eight. But I just opened the door and the feeling, like the atmosphere in that room was different. It was heavy.

And I realized later, you're talking with Janelle. I'm sorry, my sister, that they'd had an encounter that night where something was typing on the typewriter in that room. My parents had run their own business for a long time and before

the great computer push they'd bought a fairly nice typewriter. It wasn't one of the old nice, cool ones, you know, but it was one that was efficient enough to type up receipts or bills, if you will. and it was trying to type something on that typewriter at night.

And after that night, they decided that they weren't going to mess with it anymore. I'm not sure what door that they opened or what they had invited in, but it seemed like activity in the house picked up significantly after that. And that was when she was, what, a teenager? She was probably 12, 13. Yeah. Early teens. She had that experience in the basement when she was four or five before that.

Yes, correct. Gotcha. Okay. I'm just trying to paint the picture here and understand the timeline of things. That's interesting. So, I mean, it sounds like maybe, at least from her perspective, what she did maybe was an amplifier to what was already going on in the house? I would think so. Yeah, I don't see where any of that occult.

activity ever benefits people. It's fun until a point, but that doesn't make it less real. And it was real. They had several occurrences down there. And then after my sister had moved out, my mom and my sister kind of battled a little bit once my sister was old enough to drive and have her own job. So she decided that it was probably a good idea to get emancipated and bounce. So she did that. But once she bounced, the activity in the basement didn't stop.

And so me being the other occupant in the basement in the other room, her bedroom had French doors on it, paneled. You know what I'm talking about? The double doors and they're all glass paneled, like eight by whatever. There would be nights where I would wake up and something would be tapping on the glass. like and one of the nights I got up and the Ouija board is out on her bed. She hadn't been there in months.

And I certainly wasn't messing with that. That's not, I mean, I learned enough to know not to do that where we're spirituality concerned. I mean, it's a very real war that's going on and I didn't want any part of that. But walking into the bedroom

after hearing taps, and that it was a couple times where I heard taps, but there was only one night where I got up, turned on the light, and the Ouija board was sitting on, like, square on her bed. And so I walked in, and the only Bible I had at the time was a precious moment's Bible, right, like the real cutey one. For the kids? Yeah, for kids.

That's the only one I had at the time. And so I set that on top of there, and I went back to bed. and then the next day my mom was like yeah hey i'm i saw that there was a bible on top of that wiji board said yeah we had a little bit of an incident the other night and she said all right well i'll throw it away so she threw it away but i think it was like a month later it came back no it didn't dude i didn't yeah it did i i didn't i i didn't toss it but I know she did. And then I was like, okay, that's, that's really not okay.

That's not all right. It doesn't belong here. It's got to go. So she threw it out again and it didn't come back this time, but it did come back once. Wow. Wow. Yeah, that's trippy, man. That's freaking trippy.

Holy crap. It's weird, right? Like, that's not supposed to happen. You throw something out. It goes bye-bye. But it didn't. It found its way back in. now I can't say that, you know, maybe my brother didn't forage out of the trash and throw it back in the...

I don't know, but I don't think so. And he's never said that he did. Do you guys talk about this amongst yourselves as adults and stuff about some of the weird things that happened at the house? We do. Yeah. My sister and I, we've encountered several different experiences together. And my brother and I, we talk, but we don't talk a lot. he's which is weird because my sister's in Florida and my brother's local like he's in the same

town that I am but we just have very different opinions on things and ideologies so I don't talk to him nearly as much as I talk to my sister so uh well actually before we go any further what's that beeping noise in the background oh sorry that's uh the baby monitor I don't know what okay so it's probably like a battery or something got it I'm Yeah. Yeah. That's, hey, listen, you keep that thing beeping, okay? Because we, from one parent to another, we live by the baby monitors. We do. We absolutely live and die by the baby monitor.

Yeah. So let me ask you about your sister. You mentioned that you guys went through some things together. Is that recent or was that in the house too? And what was it? Okay. So that was, we both saw, we were driving. So I was raised Catholic. and I was on my way to Catechism, so I was not old enough to drive. And my sister was driving me, and we saw a UFO together. And that was, that was bizarre. We're driving by a golf course on our way to this Catholic Church

where the Catechism classes were being held. And as we're driving, we both, I don't know why, I mean, one of those synchronicity things, I suppose, but we both just look over. And there's this giant black vessel in the sky flying, and it's essentially pacing us or traffic. And as soon as we get past the golf course, it's just gone. It's just gone, vanished.

When you say vessel, what do you mean by that? I mean, describe what you were looking at? so it was it was triangular in its in its shape and form but i don't know how big it was because i don't know how close it was because it was that dark it was you know how how in some of the podcast or the interviews that you've had with other people where they're saying something is is darker than black yeah where it stands out against the blackness well that's that's kind of how this was it was so dark that the sky around it seemed illuminated so you can see it. But as soon as we, as soon as we hit the next busy intersection, it was just gone, vanished. That's interesting.

That's interesting. Now, when you say triangle, I mean, so when people say triangle, I picture two different things. I picture a triangle, like a flat triangle, something flying, but I also can picture like a triangle like a pyramid. I mean, which I've seen plenty of video of these pyramid UFOs popping up over government buildings and things like that. Yes, I do. Yeah, the car. I mean, are we talking about a pyramid or like a flat flying triangle? From our perspective in the car, it looked flat, but I don't know because it was, it was, I guess it was in our perspective, it was close enough to only be able to see the bottom of it. And I don't know if there was more above it, if that makes sense.

No, it does make sense. It absolutely makes sense. And it's one of those things where I do find, honestly, I wish I could see a pyramid-shaped UFO one day. I mean, I've seen it on video. I actually have a video, I keep talking about the YouTube channel, but I have a video on the YouTube channel where I kind of compiled these pyramid UFOs popping up. And I actually interviewed a guy who filmed one of them. And he was in, I think, Arlington Cemetery that night, doing photography when he filmed it. And then the same night, I had video of like guys in a car driving by the Pentagon filming this triangle UFO rotating over the Pentagon. And so two different people, actually there's three different camera angles I had, but two that I remember.

I saw that one. That was crazy. Yeah. And like, that was crazy, crazy. And I talked to the one guy from Arlington Cemetery and he was like, it was bizarre, man. And so, and I don't know if it was if it was a UFO if it was a hologram because we just had, I think it was earlier, late last year or earlier this year, they were projecting a hologram of AOC over the Capitol building where she was crying at the fence at the southern border. They literally did that. They projected a hologram over the Capitol building of AOC. And so knowing they did that this year or late last year, just a couple years ago, they surely could have projected. a rotating hologram of a pyramid UFO over the Pentagon

and knowing what we've known now about what they're saying about UFOs in our government, starting back in 2017 when they started talking about openly, which everybody just glossed out, nobody even talked about back then. But they came out and said those things back in 2017. It makes me wonder if they've been programming people, and this is one way they've been doing it, where they actually project holograms in the sky of these, these crafts. Yeah, I mean, I recently saw, and again, not trying to get you kick off YouTube or whatever.

Tread lightly, tread lightly. I'll try, I'll try, I'll try. But it was a video of the planes at 9-11, right, flying in. And they were showing how some of the footage shows that the wings went behind buildings they were supposed to be flying in front of. And it was really, really bizarre where you're looking at that and you're going, well, that doesn't happen in nature. So I don't know what technology they have. I mean, I've always been told the military at least 20, 30 years ahead of what we can do. And if that's the case, I mean, what's not possible?

Yeah. I mean, and that's, that is true in the sense that. Was that light? No, yeah, that was fine. That was fine. Okay. Judging by the conversation we had before we went to record, I was thinking, okay, don't bring up some of the things I was saying. No, I don't know.

Like, I mean, that's top secret. We can go for years on that, I promise. But, yeah. Yeah, no, but I mean, and it is interesting because I've said this before in the show as well, I was doing a delivery one time to a casket place. This guy owned a, like a casket company. I was talking to the owner, old man. and he told me he was an engineer for the military back in the 60s,

and he told me the technology we have today that people are using, they had back then. He was working on it back then. And so it clearly is evident to me that our government does have technology that is just not available to us that would be considered sci-fi. But, you know, and I'm not even knocking them for it because they have that kind of tech and stuff, I can kind of cozy up in my covers at night and feel a little safer, you know? So, I mean, that's true.

I say that tongue and cheek, but still, you know, so. Yes. But, yeah, no, it's very interesting. And the UFO you and your sister saw, now you said you had a couple of experiences. Is there anything else you wanted to share that you experienced with her? Yeah, so, well, not necessarily with her. I think the clearest UFO that I've ever seen was I was on my way back from college. I just finished up classes.

It was September. And I was on my way home. And the college that I was attending was, I don't know, a 20, 25 minute drive from where my folks lived. And I was the first couple years of college, I lived with them just to cut costs down. And I saw this, what I initially thought was a sky. star, except for I'm pretty good at constellations, things in the sky. You know, I'm fairly familiar with where I'm out on the planet as far as star positioning. And this wasn't a star that I was familiar with at all.

And so I kept watching it. Man, that's really weird. Man, that's kind of bizarre. And I'm watching it through my whole 25-minute drive home. And I finally get home and I'm like, man, it didn't move. at all nothing and it's not a star and so i get my dad and i was like hey pop what do you what do you think about that what is that he goes huh i don't know son and then we get my mom out there and she's looking at it and we're kind of scratching our heads we get binoculars and we take a closer look

with it and it's a diamond-shaped faceted and diamond shaped um and it's just anchored there um i don't no better way to describe it than anchored. It was anchored. It didn't move. And because of the positioning of the sun, you were able to see it. As soon as the sun went behind the ridge, it was, it was gone. It just vanished. But it was always there. Wow. You know, sometimes hearing stories like that makes me feel like we're living in a simulation, you know, like, I swear. For sure. Yeah. We're just digital beings in some kind of simulation. And sometimes the simulation has a pixel broken or something like that, you know? I agree.

Yeah, it was just really random. I saw something similar to that several years later with my brother-in-law. We were sitting on my front porch where I currently reside. We were looking south. And there was this really bright thing in the sky. And we're just sitting out there and I go, watch, that's going to vanish when the sun goes down. And I don't know how I knew that. but I knew it.

It was like a, this is one of those things where you just know something is going to happen and as soon as the sun went down, vanished. It was the same kind of coincidence, the same kind of incident that it was when I saw it with my parents. And it was just really, really weird.

It was still bright in the sky. You couldn't ignore it. But it wasn't, it wasn't a star. And that is the X-Files, friends. That is the X-Files out there. Right. So let's transition the conversation then since we're looking to the sky and talking about things that are in the sky or maybe coming from the sky, you have some experiences with angels? How does this all work out for you? Oh, yeah. That's fun because when I was in high school, now high school is tough for everybody.

Everybody's trying to figure out who you are, what you want to do, or who your friends are. If you can trust them and girlfriends and boyfriends and, you know, what have you. There's just so much going on and hormones are raging. It's a tumultuous time to say the least. I had a patch where I really wasn't digging, living too much. And so this kind of goes into challenging God, too. So I was having a rough night. And I remember I was just, I was in my bed.

And I was just, I was just crying and like sad. And what was me? Looking back, I was like, you know, it wasn't that bad. But at the time, you feel like it's, you know, the world's ending or whatever. And I challenged God. I said, you know, I'm just, I'm tired of this life. I want you to strike me with lightning. I just, I'm done.

I want you to do it. come with lightning. And I did. I challenged him. The next day, my buddy and I ended up going to one of the local fairs here and walk out on the midway, which is where like the rides and some of the food stands are and the carnies are trying to huckster you in

and walk in. And all of a sudden, and I had long hair at the time. all of a sudden, there's the storms coming in, my hair just sent straight up on end, all of it. And long hair, like to the middle of my back,

you know, I used to, used to plan a lot of bands and, and whatnot. And it was just straight up. Now, nobody else is having that reaction. And my buddy's like,

hey, maybe we should leave. And I was like, talk about a, challenge answered, I'm out. Yeah. So we bounced. Man, if there were cell phones back then, man, that would have been a great selfie.

Oh, man. I mean, it was, it was something else. It was. And, yeah, I mean, you could talk a lot about answer to prayers, but it wasn't a prayer. It was a challenge. And I laid it down. And I got handled. I got answered.

And I was like, okay, well, huh. Maybe it's not as bad as I thought, and maybe I need to look at some of my perspectives better. And along with that, not challenging God, but still having a couple rough spots in high school, praying one night, just praying hard. It's hard to describe. I didn't see an angel per se. I didn't, not in my vision, kind of. I don't, it's really hard to put a perspective on it because I was praying and I wanted, I wanted help, I wanted relief. And there was a being that appeared over me.

And if I couldn't see it physically, at least I felt it and kind of saw it mentally. I'm not really sure how to describe it because it was, it was so encompassing. And it was just this overwhelming love. And it was everything I needed to get through that moment. And then so. And it changed me. I mean, it literally changed me. You know, moments like that in life are needed for people, man.

It really is. Like, you don't, you don't always expect these things to happen. But when they happen, it can be life-altering. And it was. it was absolutely life-altering. And I had a very similar experience when I had moved out to New Jersey because I was in love and I was smitten. And my wife's looking at her.

She's like, yeah, you're right. And she was, you know, she was doing her schooling out there. And I was having a tough time because I had never been away from home. I had never been away from friends. and family because I had grown up in the same town around my friends and my family forever as far as I was concerned and I was having a rough time and I was one night I was just praying praying praying praying and praying and praying and I just that same being what have you I don't know I mean the only thing comes to mind is an angel but kind of presented

itself again and that same feeling of listen everything is going to be okay everything's fine I got you kind of a feeling and I was like again so I don't have the luxury of saying I you know I can't believe in an afterlife I know there is one like there's there's no doubt there's just too many experiences and too many other things that have gone on and then those those interventions where a spiritual being literally just kind of reached out and touched me and shift me to my core. I'm like, well, there's more to do. So I better knuckle down and get after it.

And from that point on, life has been smooth. I didn't say that. I wanted a happy Christmas ending. I know, right? I wish. No, I mean, it's been a it's been

an amazing experience both of those and reflecting on as we're talking there's a there's a piece about it that I can't I can't explain I don't know how to

I mean I when I was a kid we were always told that everybody gets a guardian angel you know and I don't I don't know if that's necessarily true I believe it

is, but how do you prove that? But I did, I prayed as a kid. I prayed hard for a couple weeks straight because I wanted to know my guardian angel's name. I wanted to know it. And I prayed and I prayed and I prayed. And all of a sudden, you know how you were, you were talking before we started recording about how you, like, you heard

the voice of God. Like, you knew this is what you needed to do. Yeah. And it was a whisper in my ear. I said, Mary. And it was, I was, I was loading the dishwasher. I wasn't doing anything important at all. It was loading the dishwasher. And I just heard this whisper in my left ear, Mary.

And I'm like, boom. And I knew exactly what I meant. Like, I didn't have to connect the dots because the dots were right there. So I couldn't, I couldn't dissuade that. I couldn't say, oh, well, that's just arbitrary. No, I've been trying to know my guardian angel's name for a couple of weeks. And all of a sudden out of nowhere, I know it. And I don't know if those other two experiences were Mary, like sharing her love and her life.

I don't know. But I know that it happened. Yeah, you know, with the guardian angel thing, I know that's a hotly debated topic when it comes to the quote unquote Christian circles. You know, they want to, you know, debate. Are guardian angels real and things like that? You can say that the sole purpose of, not sole purpose, but one of the purposes of angels is to serve and protect humans because that is something that pops up in examples throughout the Bible and it said as much. But I just did a quick search and I can't remember the context of this

verse. But I will say that in Acts 12, verse 15, is saying that. says, starting in verse 15, it says, you're out of your mind. They told her. When she kept insisting that it was so, they said, it must be his angel. So, you know, there's a lot of different scriptures that point to the fact that there's direct human angel interaction for the benefit of that person. And just in that, just in that, that one quote of five words, it must be his angel. It gives a very, very, it gives ownership almost. You know, it's like that's that person's angel, you know? Right. Yeah, it's completely associative. Yes. Yeah, it's not like, it must be an angel, which happens all the time throughout scripture, that this was, it must be his angel.

is interesting. And I honestly don't remember the context of this because I just literally just typed it in the Duck, Duck, Go, people. Duck, Duck, no. Yeah. But it's interesting. And it's something that'd be fun to maybe dive into one day

and just kind of for my own, everybody's own personal benefit. If you're interested in this stuff, dive into it and just look for examples in that arena of where angels specifically come, to help people. You know, like we have the, well, I mean, when Mary, you know, was pregnant with Jesus,

an angel visited her to talk to her about it. Then that angel went and talked to Joseph. Same thing with John the Baptist, when his mom got pregnant with him. Angel, you know, like angels are messengers. Angels do interact with people. And so it's, to me, it's not far-fetched to believe that there are, if the very least, that there would be angels that are that are tasked with looking out for people. But if you're going to say that, is it really too far of a stretch to say that there

could be angels tasked to look out for specific people? I don't think so. I don't think so either. According to the Bible, it describes there's countless angels. The heavenly host, man. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, if you want to talk about it. about a squad, angels got a squad, you know?

Oh, for sure. The host, man, that's the whole deal. My wife's grandpa was actually pulled off of

a work site. Like he had passed out and he swears that an angel pulled him off of the tracks that he was working on or he would have been dead.

The divine intervention is a thing. It exists. I absolutely believe it. I have experienced things in my life. You've experienced things in your life. We have people that have shared testimony on this show. I've had people share testimony to me personally in my own life, like my grandfather before he died, his experiences with angels. And so, at least for me and my perspective,

I absolutely agree with you. 100%. Yeah, man. Yeah. Okay, let's take a break for our sponsor today, which is Hello Fresh. Hello Fresh to the Hello Goodness. This holiday season, you can't go wrong, getting involved with Hello Fresh. It saves you a lot of time on the schedule. And yeah, I know we're creeping up on the holiday season with Christmas right around the corner. But let me tell you, friends, Hello Fresh is good. 24-7, 365. They got jam-packed flavorful recipes. You want variety? They got over 35 recipes available to choose from every week. Not every month, not every year, not every quarter, every week. You have 35 recipes to choose from. If you are busy, like everybody is, you're traveling for the holidays, you travel for work,

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has nothing to do with angels, nothing to do with Santa, ghosts, anything like that. Maybe a little bit of UFO activity, but listen, man, cattle mutilations. Okay, I had just released an episode, I think, in July of 2021, where I talked to a lady that had experiences with cattle mutilations. What is your experience with cattle mutilations? Some buddies of mine and I had gone up to go camping. And we live not too far from the San Luis Valley, which is fairly notorious for catamilations and UFO sightings. And we had taken a camp spot that was larger than we needed, but it was available, so we just grabbed it. And a lot of places in Colorado,

you don't have to reserve it. You don't have to have anybody's permit to get in there. You just, if it's open, you just set up camp and you call it good. So we did that. And it was me and six other friends and my brother. We set up camp and we're hanging out. Everything's good, go to sleep that night. and the next morning we wake up, everything is routine, have breakfast,

and the rest of the day we're just kind of hanging out, and this bus comes up, and it's a big, big bus. It's from Texas, which is not out of the realm of normal at all, because during the summer, I mean, Texans come up to Colorado camp all the time and fish and what have you. And this big bus comes up, and they kind of look at our camping spot, and they don't say anything to us. They just kind of eye it.

Like, man, you guys don't need that much space. To be honest, we didn't. But we were already there. We're not going to tear down, you know. I mean, we're already there. So you guys got to go find someone else. And so they go down the road and they come back about 25, 30 minutes later. And the guy rolls down the window and he goes, hey, just for what it's worth,

we just saw a bear out, you know, down the hill and just be alert, which is, cool. I mean, that was a nice head up. And it rolls up the window and he goes on his way. Well, us being young and dumb, like, yeah, yeah, let's grab our, you know, knives and, like, load up in the back of a truck and we'll go,

let's go see this bear. We start driving. And it's a mile within our campsite. And I notice on the tree line, there's these three dead cattle. And I point out to my buddies, like, hey, that's kind of weird.

And they're like, yeah, that, that is kind of weird. Well, let's go see what's up for those cattle. We pull up and the smell hits you first. I've smelled a lot of dead animals. This didn't smell like any dead animal I've ever smelled. And we start looking at it. And there's no blood. There's no insects.

There's appendages that have been removed with surgical precision. sex organs are also removed. The smell finally gets to us, so we actually roll back to camp, get like bandanas and four shirts to put over our face and like spraying with cologne to go back and we take a bunch of pictures. The only camera we had was a polar ride,

so I still have those, if you want them, more than happy to take pictures of them and send them away so you can upload them to your side or whatever. But the smell, was just, it was so weird. It's still like, it still kind of

wears me out just on the sheer fact that I couldn't eat beef for several months after that. And again, I've smelled dead animals. It's not a pleasant thing ever, but this was just different. It was accurate. It was really, really terrible.

But again, no blood, no insects. Things removed surgically. And then we found another one that was inside the forest, inside the tree line by 20, probably another 20 yards, 60 feet or so. And then another one that was in a bush that was adjacent to that as well. And then we found two more. So seven total, all of them pretty much the same thing. And one of the interesting things, too, about that kind of relation is that the eyes are calm.

Like when an animal dies, right, if they're in fear, something their eyes dilated. Well, this, none of their eyes were dilated. In fact, what was also weird is that none of the insects were eating the eyes, because that's the first thing to go. And totally fine. Nothing. Nothing was touching this.

No scavengers, no coyotes, no, if there were wolves in the area, no wolves, nothing. And so we took pictures and we're kind of like, loopy, to be honest with you, a lot of my, a lot of my buddies kind of hit that, uh, that realm of just hysteria because they were just laughing because they didn't know what else to do with it. And we got back to the campsite, talked about it for hours, and then my buddy had the audacity, we're getting ready to go to sleep, but my buddy had the audacity, go to like, hey, what happens if whatever did that comes back? tonight does that to us. I'm like, shut you enough.

Stop. Just stop. Just stop. We don't need that. I was like, stop, man. And then I did a bit of research as far as I could research the subject. And this was back in 2001, I believe, when we saw this. And so I did as much research as I could

on what the internet was at that point and realized that this has been going on since time and memoriam. It's been an account for hundreds of years.

And the bizarre thing is if it's human beings, the technology that we have has become so much better now than it was

50 years ago than it was 100 years ago than it was 200 years ago. So if this is still the same thing,

why is it all the same and not change? Because you would imagine if, you know, If they're doing some weird satanic cold stuff for hundreds of years, I don't know.

I'd lose interest. Maybe somebody else wouldn't. But it's just, it's bizarre in the extreme. And to not have blood, no tire tracks around any of the areas. Now, to be fair, there were a couple areas that you could say you could drop it off of a truck. You could have. But there were several you couldn't get to unless you were high. hiking back to them. And to have surgical precision removals of appendages and sex organs,

no blood, nothing would touch it, and the smell was just so different and bad. I don't know, man. It was bizarre in the extreme. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like it. I mean, cattle mutilations, just mutilations of animals and stuff in general are very bizarre in their nature and how they're done. And when you see all that stuff, and listen, where you saw those things, you know, those cattle and stuff, do you think that that bus went through that area as well? Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Because it went through there and then came back through, you know, 25 minutes later, warning of the bears. And we actually did see bears. But that was easily trumped by what else we found. Was it possible that they could have

it too? I don't know if they would have raised the red flag on it or not. I don't think there's any way that didn't see the cattle on the tree line because it was, I mean, pretty blatant from the dirt road we were on, which is why I saw it.

It was like, oh, that's kind of weird. But I don't think that they made the trip down there to look at it or not. And the cattle, all right, so the bus, the tour bus, the tour bus or whatever. Like, when you say bus, I think tour bus. Was it a tour bus? Was it like an

RV? No, it was like a big school bus. It was, I think it was actually like a church retreat bus up from Texas, just to come up in camp, like a kid's youth bus or something. Okay. It was big enough where you're going to have like 30, 40 kids on it. So, I mean, we're not talking about like a blacked out bus that could have been some. No, no. Nothing. Nothing. like that. No. Okay. No special forces dropping in there,

working out some McDonald's hamburgers. Like, they mutilate the cattle and they go back to you guys and like, hey, there's bears down there, so you may not want to go down there, you know? No,

it wasn't like that. I don't, there wouldn't have the time, even if that was them to be able to go down there and do that. You know, it makes you wonder. Go ahead,

I'm sorry. Oh, I was just going to say to drain a cow out of blood. Like, it's an entire body where there's no, no blood on the ground or anything. And to do that to seven of them,

that's going to take some time. I mean, dude, that's an undertaking. No pun intended. Yeah. Oh, man. But,

all right. So is it really, though, something that takes a lot of time? time. I mean, so if you talk about these mutilations, I mean, what goes hand in hand with that? I mean, people talk about it being extraterrestrial. Now, do we know? No, we don't know. Could it be, you know, some special force government agency that does weird things possible, you know? But let's just say it's alien, right? Well, what else do we have evidence that that shows proof that aliens have been around in an area.

Crop circles. And crop circles pop up within minutes. We did a Crop Circle show not too long ago. And they were talking about how, thank you. They were talking about how, you know, the crop circles literally popped up within, you know, I think he said, what was it, 30 minutes, not even? Yeah. Yeah, it was like minutes and the minutes.

Yeah. They walked away to get something. They came back and they were there. So, and those things are interesting. extremely intricate. So if that can be possible, maybe draining the cattle's blood and doing all that stuff could happen almost instantaneously as well. Absolutely a possibility. But I don't believe that that would be a human technology that would be able to do, or at least not something that we know of. And if our technology is constantly

evolving, which seems to be the case, I don't know how you would do that, right, especially if it's the same the same process and the same methodology that's been going on for several hundred years. Yeah, that makes you feel like the mutilation is going on for several hundred years. It makes you feel like, okay, it's probably not humans. I mean, but I'm not ruling it out. I just don't know how that would be possible.

And like, you make a very good point. I have no idea how long it would take the drain an animal out if you know what you're doing or have the technology to do it. It could be seconds, and it's just done. But the placement where they were at, like, I mean, I even called the Bureau of Land Management, right, and the Department of Wildlife, just to let them know that this was a thing and that we found several cattle. And so if you're looking at a cow, I mean, it's anywhere from $1,500 to $2,000 ahead. So somebody got $14,000. I would want to know if that was me,

I would be not happy about it, but I would want to know. And when I called them, they're like, hey, listen, sometimes cattle eat hemlock and they die. I'm like,

is hemlock going to remove a whole arm? A whole hoop? Is that like, and take the sex organs too and the blood? I don't know. I mean, hemlock could be a rough, rough plant,

but I don't think it's going to do that. so I don't know I'd still scratch my head at that I don't have the answers at all but it was a for sure bizarre occurrence and nobody wanted in the government nobody wanted to deal with it or talk about it they just didn't

they didn't want to bother themselves I did however ask a so I had a buddy who was a psychic like a legit this dude knew stuff he shouldn't probably know and I asked him because he's the most experienced hunter I've ever I've ever had the privilege of meeting he'd been to Africa several times he's been on safaris like he just he lived to hunt he knew animals

and he's like well it doesn't make any sense when I showed them in pictures and I said what do you mean he said well if you're if you're poaching you would shoot one and you would immediately take the backstrap because it's the most accessible meat and it's the best meat on the animal you wouldn't be able to drop three in a row like that, let alone seven arbitrarily. And he would certainly have blood all over the site. And he was looking at the photos. He goes, this is how articulate this guy was. He was looking at the photos of judging it's late summer.

And so they might have been pregnant. And I was like, oh, I don't know. I hadn't even thought about that. Like, well, possibly. He said, but that's not hemlock. and I said, so what do you believe it was? And he goes,

I'm not going to talk about that. And he just dropped it off a cliff. Yeah, he just dropped it off a cliff. Come on, man. From Joe Biden, come on, man. Come on, man.

What a downer, man. What a downer. I'm not going to talk about. I know. I was sad. You already did. Talk about it. But he did.

Right. He just dropped it, though. But it was a very just weird thing, man. And I still have those pictures. I break them out every now and then the profit comes up amongst some people that are a little more open-minded to things. And I mean, what are you going to do? What are you going to do?

I don't know. But it's interesting. And I'm glad you shared it, man. I really am. I mean, that's, uh, I want to see the pictures, though. So please. I mean, if you, I mean, if you have to take pictures of the picture, that's fine. But what would be the best if you had like a scanner and you can.

scan it on your computer then send it to me, that would be, that'd be perfect. Okay. I can do that too. Sounds good, man. Yeah, do that for me. And when you send them over in the email, I'll save them and I'll post them with this show. But, dude, listen, I appreciate you coming on the show and just chatting with me. Anything from Santa to Angels to cattle mutilation, you covered it all on this Christmas day.

And as people drive to family and spend time with their folks and exchange press, presence and drink a lot of eggnog. Hopefully we gave them something to ride along with in the car. And just mute, yeah, hopefully they muted the part where we talked about Santa a little bit, you know, for the kids. But, you know, we gave them warning. Absolutely. And I don't think we would too bad on that, I think.

No, but it definitely could spoil Christmas for some kids. So hopefully, hopefully we didn't. But Merry Christmas, everybody. Well, that's a sure, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it.

That's the best thing you can do to help the show grow. Share the show. All right, friends, if you don't hear from me again this week, Merry Christmas. I hope you guys have a great time with your friends and family. Take care, stay safe, and remember, the truth will set you free, but first it'll piss you off. Bye.