The Confessionals - 524: Bigfoot and Dogman Nephilim DNA

Episode Date: February 28, 2023

In episode 524: Bigfoot and Dogman Nephilim DNA we are joined by Scott Carpenter. I was in a local pizzeria called Legends and Lore Pizzaria and in talking to the owner he informed me that Scott Carpenter, the author of The Nephilim Among Us, lives in the same town my studio is located in. So we reached out to Scott and brought him to the studio for a fantastic conversation. Scott was someone that laughed at people who believe bigfoot existed and probably thought someone should be institutionalized when claiming they have seen one. All that stopped one day while fishing and encountering a bigfoot himself. Once that happened he did a 360 and started to research everything he could about them. He would go out in the woods with cameras strapped to his body to catch as many video hours as possible to increase his chance of catching something on film. The more he researched and the more he went out, the more he learned bigfoot was not the only creature that roams these East Tennessee hills. He's had dogman encounters, little people encounters, and portal sightings which all lead him to believe there is more to these cryptids than just being hairy creatures living in the forest.Scott Carpenter:The Nephilim Among Us: https://amzn.to/3IVUTh6Truth Denied - The Sasquatch DNA Study: https://amzn.to/3IDG4OZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSee Tony LIVE in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals60" for 60% off plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvetOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube: https://bit.ly/3yH4kvGApple Music: https://apple.co/3nDfsU1Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3nErEUI

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When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two small, gross push, and it

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But I'm glad I've never had him on the show till now because Scott Carpenter lives within 10 minutes of my studio. He lives within 10 minutes of my house. I literally, when we left the studio, because he came in studio to talk to me. When we left the studio, I literally followed him home because I passed by his house on the way to my house. We are locals together, and he comes in the studio, and he brings the heater. Heater! He brings the heater today because he talks about Bigfoot Dogman in Smoky Mountain region right here. He talks about the town that my studio's in, that there's dogmen in this town. I was really kind of taken back by that, but Scott is a wealth of information.

He has done extensive research, and he just wants to spread information about these creatures and the reality of their existence. I had a fantastic time talking to him. The first half of this episode is for the public right now. The second half is waiting for you members in an overtime segment. So let's get to Scott in this extra long conversation about Bigfoot Dogman in the Smoky Mountains right now. All right. Today we got Scott Carpenter in studio, sir. How are you?

Great. Be here. Let me tell you. I've known about you for a long time. Cool. I just moved to Tennessee, East Tennessee from Philadelphia area in April last year. And I remember when I first started looking into these topics. I had a Facebook group.

And then I started the podcast in 2017. And shortly before I started the podcast, like late 2016, I'm driving around my tractor trailer in Philadelphia. And I'm thinking about these new angles about Bigfoot that I thought were original to me. And I was like, you know, know, the Nephlin might have a connection to Bigfoot. And I was like, man, I don't think I could talk about this without getting hammered. And then I was like, I don't know. And I started talking to certain other people. When I started the podcast, and when I started the podcast around that time, I started feeling

real comfortable, it was just like, you know what, I'm going to talk about this. And if people don't like it, they don't like it, you know. And then when I started talking about it, people were like, you got to talk to Scott Carpenter back in 2017. And here we are. Six years later, almost exactly, because I started my podcast January 19th, 2017. So it's been almost exactly six years. Yeah. And here you are in studio. It turns out you're from the same town my studio's in.

Yeah, which is crazy. Little you're right across town. So I just, I know you're familiar with Legends and Laura Pizzeria. So I went down there. So I passed by there when I was looking for a house down here in February. And Eddie had the place closed for the day. So when I moved down here, I went in there and got to know Eddie and he brought you up. And so I was like, I got to get this guy on the show, you know?

Speaking of Legends and Lore, I am thinking about doing like a maybe once a quarter meetup there with listeners. And Eddie said that he'd be down for that. So anybody listening right now, if you're interested in something like that, do you think it would be cool to meet with me at like a piece? We just call it like a TC underground or something like that and just have a good time eating pizza and hanging out and talking. If you like that idea, just shoot us an email. But so Scott, here you are. You're in the studio. And I appreciate it.

It's very nice. Let me tell you something. When I first moved in here, it was lime green wall panels. And I said to my landlord, I said, can I renovate? And he said, you can do anything you want. I said, perfect. And so I had met a homesteader about an hour north of here used to frame houses. And he said he'd come down and help me.

So I paid him to renovate in here. And he did a great job. Yeah, he did a great job. So I'm glad you're in here. And I'm glad we're able to do it. It's more fun to have these conversations face to face. Oh, yeah. And so I'm just going to start.

We're going to see where this conversation goes. But I'm just going to start out with the softball question of how did you get involved in these topics because I'm sure you didn't come out the womb, saying Bigfoot, you know, so. No, I mean, you know, started out, let me start with my dull experience. I guess 2008, I was fishing down on Telko Lake and it was topwater fishing. It's beautiful morning, clear. I think it was in June. Water's calm. And so I'm fishing. And I'm off, there's a place down there. It's called Baker's Creek and it's a 1500 acre multi-use area, recreational area. You can hunt and camp on it and ride horses, but there's no motorized vehicles. And so that's where I'm

fishing off of. And for some reason, I had been watching those really early YouTube videos about sauce squash research. I had a job where I'd literally worked alone. And so at lunchtime, I would pull those up and watch those. And I actually thought they were pretty funny. I mean, these were the guys that were running around whooping and beating sticks and doing all kinds of craziness like that in the woods. And so I don't know why. I just, I mean, it was really quiet. I don't know if you're on the lake and, you know, at first a lot, and I mean, sound carries a long way. And I just made two or three really silly, whoop, you know, whoop, you know. And I mean, it echoed and there behind me is, you know,

some really high-end subdivision on the lake, and I'm thinking, oh, you know, somebody's eating breakfast, hearing this fool out here, you know, fishing and he's doing this. So I went back to fishing, and I could, I was, you know, a sudden I heard something coming through the woods. And it, you know, got louder and louder.

And as it got closer. I mean, it was, uh, something was just, you know, just destroying the woods. I mean, it wasn't just like, you're, you know, riding a horse and you're going through brush. I mean, this, you know, sticks are broken. breaking, stomping.

I mean, it's like someone's got a bulldozer coming. And so I'm kind of like, you know, in my head, I'm thinking, what in the world? Because I've not put, I've called a soft squash in it. You know, I'm not even thinking that. I'm, you know, and I'm hearing this coming towards me. And it's a long point of land. So, you know, it's getting closer and closer.

And I'm really kind of like, so I stopped fishing and I'm just being real quiet, just looking at, you know, intently on the shoreline. And I mean, this thing's just causing all kinds of. of having. Just breaking limbs, shaking trees. And it, you know, it works its way down. And the sun, I guess, was coming up to my right. So it was throwing real long shadows. And so just, you know, into the woods. And you could kind of just kind of broke up. You could see in. And so I start seeing this movement. And the sunlight every now and then will hit, you know, just a patch of black or gray as this, whatever this thing is. And first I'm thinking, horse and a rider. But, you know, this, this whole

the end of this point is just nothing but you know, briars and sticker bushes, you know, and Blackberry bushes, it's just a brumble. So, you know, there's just no way anybody would ride a horse down here. And so it just keeps going back and forth, though, why

it's doing this. And it's still, you know, you can see it, I describe it like you, in the scene in Jurassic Park where the, you see the T-Rex coming, but he's not out of the woods yet. You see all the, you know, all the trees and stuff and being broke off or falling.

That's exactly what he was doing at the end of that point. He was just, you know, raising cane. And so I got a little, you know, I had drifted into the bank just a smidge. And I was like, I felt like I'm just a little bit too close. So I reached down and tap the trolle motor. Well, it's electric troll motor. And it's quiet as it was. It made the whirling, made the whirl noise.

And I started backing off. And at that moment, he heard it. And I don't know if he looked at him, but he just, you know, he's stopped moving, totally. And he got real quiet. And then I heard, I heard a couple like, you know, a couple like almost aspiration. And then he just gave one more big,

huh. And then this normally, just like, I mean, it was bipedal, but it wasn't, you know, he just walking back out and we just walked away. And that, you know, and I'm just like, I'm in shock. I mean, I don't know what to think. I'm like, God, what in the world? you know, I just, I mean, still at this day, it's just amazing that even happened.

Yeah. Act of God, whatever you will call it, because, you know, the whoops weren't even good whoops. I mean, you know, and they were just, and what in, whatever possessed this thing to think that I was whatever it was thinking I was. And so, of course, that, you know, with that, I mean, I kind of got, get the bug. I feel like, I got to figure this out. I mean, I don't understand this. What was that? And so the next weekend I went in with my,

I had just a really cheap Sony, a handicam thing. And I just went in walking around, just trying to find, look, and I found the area, and sure enough, it looked like you'd taken a bulldozer down through her.

There were no tracks. I couldn't find any real tracks. The leaf litter was real thick. It was, you know, in the summertime. But, you know, it had obvious something and it just tore a path down to the edge of the water. And, you know, that got me started.

You know, just searching and looking around the next week, I find a, I find like this little shelter that's urine smell. And then I get hit by infrasound. And then I get, yeah, like the third, second or third time out, I get popped really hard with infrasound. Wow. I kind of learned early that you never turned the video camera off because I did. Like when I first started, I turned the video camera off. and then I have one. If I had the camera on, I might have been able to capture it.

I saw moving out of the corner of my eye and something was like flying. And I'm, you know, banging at the recorder trying to get, trying to get it open. Yeah. You know, just like I'm doing now and try to get it out to get it over there. And so from then on, you know, regardless of, you know, I figured I can always delete, you know, get more SD cards. Yeah. So I always kept it on. And there was a, the first instance, I literally, it's like, I remember, like, these are long stories, but to shorten it up, basically, I thought I saw something in a midst of a cedar tree.

I mean, I could see a black form. And in my mind, I thought, I'm going to go step in there and see what that is. And literally, like, as I started to step, I got a text or a phone call from my son. And so I took that real quick. And it was just, yeah, I'm out in the woods. Yeah, yeah, something. I can't even remember. He's asked me about coming and see something.

And I said, sure. And that broke my concentration. And then after the cell phone call, I have no memory for about 10 minutes. I don't recall it. The next thing I remember is I'm back up on the main trail, about 200 yards away from this area walking. Wow. And so, but I had the video, I never turned the video recorder off. So I have that video.

Of course, nothing really major happen other than when I swung around the turnaround, I got a glimpse of it in the cedar tree. I get home and look at that freaks me out, number one. Which part? The part where I don't have any memory. The memory. The glimpse didn't freak you out? Well, I didn't.

Well, that's, I'm getting there. Okay, okay. So I'm already freaked out. You know, I'm freaked out because I find that 10 minutes. Gotcha. And then I'm going back through it and I see the glimpse of this thing. And so I go back the next day with my kids and we find a track and you can see where this thing is literally was like it just went up into the tree and hugged it. It was like in the tree.

It had an arm around the tree and it broke limbs all the way up to about 12 feet. And so after that, I was hooked. Wow. And I had to figure it out. Yeah. And so I started with the, you know, air quotes, research. So I started just going, you know, and figuring it out. I didn't have no primer.

I didn't have anybody to ask. kind of knew intuitively watching these Bigfoot videos that I wouldn't you know, running around at night in the woods banging on trees wasn't what this was all about. So I tried to do the standard thing. I tried to find a location where I could, you know, of course it, when everybody starts this, at least for me and a lot of people I know, it's always it's a bipedal eight. It's a dumb yeah. That's where I started out.

Yep. And I, it didn't take about, probably about 18 months. I figured out it was not. But, you know, just through, and then, you know, I got found a feeding station and, and I would leave candy bars and stuff. And I didn't have a whole lot of money. It was racing four kids and all kinds of things going on in my personal life. But I'm, you know, I try to get, you know, like three or four trail cameras. And I'm so silly.

I mean, I'm like, put the food right there and five feet away, put a camera. That'll do it. That'll get him. And, you know, but that's where I started. That's when I started learning. Yeah. You know, learning that they knew what the cameras were and they would just either put a hand or put a rock or something in front of it. You had that happen where the rocks are placed in front of it?

Or they stand in front of it. Really? Something would be placed in front of it because they, you know, it would cause, you know, an infrared, you know, it's looking for a change of temperature. So I could, like if you got an infrared camera and you put your hand in front of it, don't move your hand, it'll just go off once. It won't keep going off because your hand becomes the new standard. So it just got to do anything. But when you remove your hand, it goes off again. So it would go off and I get a whiteout.

And then, you know, and then I don't know, 30 minutes, whatever time would pass. And then they'd move whatever it was. I'd get another video of nothing, you know, 10, 20 minutes later. And all the candy bars would be gone. Stuff like that. Unbelievable. That's interesting. So that's when I was like, oh.

There's actually thought process. Yeah, they understand. Yeah, they know. Wow. And so they just block. And sometimes they would push them and turn them down. I mean, I got some weird stuff. It's one place.

I got some alien looking things and stuff like that. But, you know, never like a, I got one skeletor looking thing. But, you know, you got to understand this is infrared. This is it not. You know, their skin color, you know, if they've got pasty gray skin, it's going to look quiet and illuminated. So it's hard, you know, it was hard. It was hard to tell. But just some really crazy stuff.

And it's just, that's where I started learning. You know, it's where I was cutting my teeth on what was going on and and started, you know, this communication thing. Of course, that, you know, and it just went from there. So when you're learning this stuff, at what point did you start maybe either diving into or understanding the Bigfoot world and your findings and your understandings that you're learning? at what point you're like, this is not going to go well if I talk about it. Well, I was able to stay. I was a little bit insulated from it because I really knew no one in the Bigfoot world and really didn't care to know.

Yeah. That was number one. That was the best thing. And I was just doing my thing and posting videos. I had a friend named Chuck Prawl that I had developed a friendship with on YouTube. And he used to have a podcast back in the day a long time ago. And he since passed away. He was in a wheelchair bound.

But in the Bigfoot world, he knew everyone. And he interviewed everyone. And there wasn't anybody he didn't know. And, but, you know, and of course, when he saw my videos, he started reaching out. We became friends. And he kind of helped me along the way, kind of helped me understand who people were, like Bobby Short and Bob Gimlin and some of these other people. I mean, you know, I didn't even, I didn't even seen the Patty film.

I think maybe as a child or in search of. But, you know, I really didn't know any of the background, M.K. Davis, any of the, you know, any of the, quote, big names, Bendernagle, and Ray Crowe and all these big names. I didn't have a clue who these people were. So, you know, I just did my thing. And I got fortunate, the research area, I wasn't too far away from down there where the farm was.

where Mary Green wrote her book about 50 years with Bigfoot. And so that was about 10, 15 miles away. So I think these Sasquatch were just more acclimated to human beings. And they, I don't know what's the old southern phrase they took to me. And I started getting a lot of activity fairly early. And I know there were some people that were kind of upset about that. I've been in Wickfoot research for 25 years. That's a bunch of crap.

Yeah. You know, you're not getting any of that. That's, you're just faking now that. And so, you know, I got, I got some of that. But I just kind of stayed focused. And, you know, Chuck was like, look, don't read your comments. Just stay with it. Wise words.

And the other thing I promised him, he says, for God, you know, for good and sakes, post what you get. Don't do this thing. God, it seemed like everybody was saying, you know, got the, you know, got the best video of it's ever been seen. And I'll permit. merit next week. And then, you know, then they put it fine a paywall. And yeah. And then when you'd see it, it'd be, you know,

it'd be the blob squatch, you know, the footage of the century. It's like, and I taught, and I promised him, I said, if I get footage, it goes on with no fanfare, I just say what I got. And if, you know, you know, if you look at it and you think it's blob scotchy crap, that's fine. It's blopscorcy crap. Don't watch my channel anymore. That was kind of, yeah, I took. This is, you know, I'm developing, you know, I'm developing, uh, you know, theory here and I'm at inside the audience is kind of going with me you're learning publicly which is a handicap for you because people are tuning in to get this evidence and they want to see

the hard facts and they want to talk they and and some people are understanding but there's some people that aren't and so when you're when you're in a weird position and i've been in a similar position where um when i started the podcast uh i came from the bigfoot stuff but i started the podcast as a paranormal show where I'll talk about anything. Yeah. And so there was a lot of stuff that I was never exposed to and I was learning on the fly where I have somebody come on the show and they're like, you know, talking about things that I have no clue what they're talking about. And I'm just having a conversation with them and trying to learn as I go. And, you know, you have to, there has to be a humble bone in our bodies for that, you know,

because we can't be like, I want to be, I want to look like a know-it-all. That that goes out the window when you're learning publicly. Oh, yeah. I mean, everybody could see my mistakes and I, and I, and I would throw a theory out and two weeks later, I have to say, no, it's not, I don't think that was right. That's not, you know, holding true. But that's, that was good. It kept me honest. And, uh, and, you know, as I learned, you know, those who watched my channel from the day one, they learned as well. And, you know, and I just, you know, it was a learning process. Like everybody, you know, we started off as a bipedalate. And then I learned, well, they're a little bit smarter to biopalate. And then I had, you know, I finally had, uh, you know, made eye contact one and saw,

one, you know, and was, you know, it saw me and I saw it. And then, you know, obviously it wasn't an ape. I mean, it had a human-like appearance. And, and in some of the videos I was capturing and had a human, you know, they had a human-like, you know, facial features. And, you know, they weren't, they weren't apes. They didn't look like apes. And they definitely didn't act like apes, you know. And, you know, there was always this, sometimes there's, was this air of their playing with me. There were times when I'm thinking, these guys, you know, this can't be, because you, it was hard to wrap my mind around that these guys are messing with me. Like I'd put out a camera and I'd have to like, you know, they know what this is.

But the logical side says, oh, they don't know what that is. No, they don't know that this does that. They don't know that, you know, it's an infrared camera and this is how it works. But then they, you know, almost, you know, the next time I go back out, they'd almost demonstrate. Yeah, we know what this tech is. We know how to defeat this tech. You know, they're almost taking offense to the fact that I'm shoving it in their face and acting like,

they don't know what it is. And so, you know, the process went from there. And then I kind of got into the fact that, you know, I knew they weren't bipedal apes. And then I got, you know, I was thinking, you know, some sort of human, you know, being that, you know, is just hidden from history and kind of got off, you know, like, you know, You know, one of these. God freak you at an ape one time and created this whole other hybrid. Yeah, God could have had another line of human beings going here.

But, you know, at that point, you're trying to fit these guys in because they don't fit in to the paradigm you had in school. And if you're in mainline churches, you never hear about the napulam or any of this stuff. Yes. And you don't have a clue what the, you know, you know, giants, you know. And so. I thought it was just one, Goliath. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

No, there's more than one. Yeah, brother. It's why you got three stones. Yeah. But you, you know, you start putting these things together and you have to push through. It's like I had to push through that conditioning. And it is a process. And God takes you through it.

And it's like he gave me just, he knew I couldn't take the whole thing all at once. You know, it just freaked me out, break me down. And so I got information just, you know, over, you know, several year period, just, you know, Once I can handle this, then I got the next thing, and then the next thing, and then the next thing. And it just kind of developed that way. And I got to a point where, you know, I was, I knew I was way over my head, and I needed some help. I needed someone to talk to that understood what was going on. I could bounce things off of.

So I started looking around, and there was that, blah, blah, blah group that starts with a B and ends with an O that I looked. that I looked at them and I just wasn't, you know, it was a huge organization and I just, and I'd made some feelers and I wasn't really impressed. And there was a couple other smaller organizations, you know, like,

you know, state-based or region-based. And then I found David Plotties. And I saw he, I read a little thing, a little buy on him and his book, the Hooper Project. So I got the book,

read the book. I was blown away. That's, you know, this guy gets it. He's, you know, you know, he was tasked by some guys in Silicon Valley, some former employers of his when he decided to retire, came to him with, you know, we'll set you up and pay you. We just want to know if they're real or not. So he very meticulously started doing stick pens of all the sightings he could find in California and the hoop of reservation, you know, had this big glob of pins and he said, that's where I'm going. And so he went

through and, you know, he had Harvey Pratt do the witness sketches and I'm looking at the pictures and I'm thinking, yeah, that's what I've seen. You know, it's all resonating. That's what I'm seeing. That's what I've encountered. And so I literally emailed him and began an email conversation back and forth. And then when I would get stuff, I'd send it to him like a video or pictures. And, you know, I think he was a little leery because, you know, some of the stuff I was getting is pretty far out there. But I would, you know, I'd bounce stuff off of him. I'm like, you know, I'd, you know, I got mock charged, you know, I thought something was getting ready to, you know, just take me away. He'd be all right.

Because I didn't know that. See, all this stuff, I didn't know. And so I'm telling him, and he's kind of verifying. And he knows I'm ignorant. He knows I don't know. So, you know, it's kind of, kind of, it codifies to him that I'm having real experiences because I'm describing things that, you know, him and his researchers had already experienced. And so one thing led to another. And, you know, just started to develop him a friendship.

up and he asked me to join his group, North American Bigfoot Search, which I did. And right before we joined the Sasquatch Genome Project, or Sasquatch Big, DNA Bigfoot study. Was that with Melville? As Dr. Ketcham was heading it up, but there was several other doctors and scientists and along with it, and that'd be the whole show in itself. I wrote a book about it, yada, yada. But, you know, they were needing hair samples.

And so, you know, I started trying to figure out how to come up with a, you know, at first we got some hair. I was able to just get some, you know, like they'd reach up and get some food and some hair would get caught on the limb or caught on the bark. And, but it wasn't, you know, what was happening was she, they, Sasquatch hair has a quality about it that you can't get DNA just from the hair itself, like mine and your hair. you can get mitochondrial DNA from it. But there's some sort of protein or something that blocks, blocks that process. And so the primer is nothing, really won't run.

So you have to have a skin tag. And so we had to figure out a way to get the hair pulled out to get that skin tag because that's where your mitochondrial was. And so working with Dave, we came up this thing or ideal where we take pack and tape and wrap it wrong side out around the trees and then put the food or the bait near it, like above it, like, or like I used to put bacon grease into the, when it was cold, I'd take bacon grease and smear it into the bark, you know, as high as I could reach. And then on the lower on the tree, I'd put the tape and they'd lean into the tree and lick the

bacon grease out and leave me, you know, I'd get a hair sample. Or we'd put apples up where they'd have to reach up and then we'd have tape. And so when they'd reach, we'd get wrist hair. And then I started using, I noticed in the Smokies that there was a trail they used and they had broken a bush off and where they'd broken it, it was kind of, you know, it had the, you know, the limb was splintered and Herod caught in that. So I started doing that myself, making those little splinter traps. Oh, okay. And that worked. Really?

Yeah. So we got, you know, I got hair samples and I got some saliva samples. I sit in about 30 and they used 11. How'd you get saliva samples? So I had a candy bar. They're a big thing with candy bars. They like granola bar. The one, these around here, they're human, they're human, they're human hybrids, so they have their own taste.

Each one's a unique individual. You can't, you can't, it's like human beings. You know, we do act similar as a group, but when you get down into that level of, you know, you get into this one likes, you know, peanut butter, this one doesn't. So by experimentation, I found out. they like Snickers bars and they like granola bars. Well, the way they'd eat the Snickers bar is they pick up the Snickers bar with the wrapper on, crunched down halfway through and bite it off. And they just work the wrapper off in their mouth and go,

I'd find the, I'd find the part they chewed would be spit. I mean, it'd be kind of wadding and spit several feet. And then the other side, they pop it in and just drop the wrapper. So, and, you know,

first I was trying to figure it out. I was like, so there's half a wrapper here intact. And then I would start looking and eventually I would find it. Wow. And there would be a wadded up. Like you'd take a wad of paper in your mouth, chew it up for a minute and then spit it. And that's how I got to slob. Wow.

Okay. I didn't mean to cut you off and sorry. I just, no, that's right. I got distracted. I was like, wait a second. How did you do that? Yeah. Well, and so that's how I got to slop.

Okay. And so I sent those, so I sent those in and they used 11 hair samples. And because you can know, that rabbit hole, but they could explain how they had a hair specialist. They had an example of Sasquatch hair that had a complete chain of custody. In other words, at the hoop of reservation, a lady that lived on the reservation heard something in her garbage. She went down, down around her house, turned the corner, and she had an old metal building

where she kept her garbage on the reservation. There was a, well, it's pretty big. I think she said, it's in the, it was in his book. 10, 11, 12 foot, big one. And he's black blonde, I think. He's reaching in and grabbing bags, sniffing them. If he likes to say what they smell, he throws them down beside him. If he does it, he throws them back in there.

And as he's reaching, you know, it's an old rusted door. It's old screechy metal doors. And he reached in and he cut himself. And he also pulled out a big wad of hair. And so, you know, she's watching this happen. She's calling her brother, who's a policeman in the hoop of reservation. So he goes flying up there. well, the turnoff to her road is about a half a mile from the turnoff to her house.

So, of course, he's winding his way up her driveway with the siren blaring. And so the Sosquatch, when he gets about halfway up, she says he just kind of looks that direction, kind of figures the gigs up. It picks up three bags and walks off into the forest. So her brother gets there, and when he gets there, you can still feel the vibration of the thing walking. It's how heavy it is. Wow. So he starts up the path.

It's dark already. and he gets a little bit up there and he just says, uh-uh, no, I'm not following this thing in the woods. And he said, he started, his mind said, look, in the trees and he thought to self, I'm not even looking. So he turns around and comes back and, you know, there's the hair. So he gets the gloves out and gets the evidence bag out and they collect it. So boom, we've got a pristine, high witness, you know, we got saskatch hair and DNA. So that's what they used. And they had a hair specialist.

and they gave him that saying, this is a Sasquatch hair, buddy. And so he had, he could do his comparisons. And so, you know, so if someone's son in horsehair, you know, he could, you know, side by side of now. And it's easy to tell. I mean, a soft squash hair is very unique. I want to get into all the details, but it's unique.

So, so because back then, those, they were, PCR, everybody heard that, but this was being used for a different purpose. But they, the tests were still very expensive. Back then, there were $6,000, $7,000 a run. So they didn't want to run horsehair or dog hair. So the hair expert, you know, he went through and said, this is Sosquatch hair. And then they would run that. And so, and I don't know whether, you know, I think some of my hair samples were, you know, may or may not have been Soskutch, but they may not have had enough of a skin tag.

So they're just not, you know, they're not going to run that because they're not going to get anything. They had a limited funds. I think I got, I think for the whole study, they had maybe $300,000. And that was from like too big no. I mean, what they did on $300,000 was amazing. Wow. And Wally Hersham and then Erickson, Dennis Erickson were the main ones, David and other, you know, contributed their part. But, you know, Melba, her time.

And then they went around and they had, I wrote a book, The Truth Denied, and it's my account of the study and the Sasquatch DNA study. And I mean, I go into grand detail about everything from what happened from all the craziness and them trying to destroy her reputation and, you know, the whole thing and the results. But that, when, you know, when that study was done, you know, we had the results, which was, it was, it had to, basically you had a hair that wasn't human, building mitochondrial DNA that was human and unknown nuclear. DNA, which come, and I always have to do this. The mitochondrial DNA comes from the female and is found on the outside and the inside of the nucleus, and the nuclear DNA comes from the male only, and it's found inside the nucleus. It's the harder DNA to get, because you've got to have blood, flesh, it doesn't come from

hair, and it degrades faster. So, you know, so we had this being, this hybrid being that was part human, female, and unknown. There's a depository called GenBank. I don't know how many hundreds of millions of species are in it. But basically, if you're a scientist, you can upload your sequences. And then other scientists can compare. They have a search engine, kind of like you have Google. Well, it's called Blast.

And you can put it on your PC. And what you do is you log on to their website and you take your sample and your sequence. and then you compare it to the entire database, and it runs through the database. If it finds a match, it comes back and says, you've got whatever. So the example I use is you've got a guy down in the Amazon,

he finds a frog. He thinks, I've got a unique frog. So he takes a, you know, takes his blood sample, does, he runs his DNA,

does the blast study. If it comes back with a match, well, no, sorry, you didn't find unique frog. You just found this species. If it, if there's no match,

then, well, you've discovered a new species. And then you register it and do all the things you need to do. Mm-hmm. So when they took the nuclear DNA, and they actually had three full genomes. So nuclear and mitochondrial, the whole deal, three gigabytes worth of data.

And when they searched the genBank, there was no matches. So there was no organism creature that matched it in this database. So, and still not to my knowledge. So you had, you know, this very unusual creature. It had the DNA was single strand, double strand, single strand. Dr. Ketchum said it definitely looked like it'd been manipulated the DNA. And it had sequences like when these geneticists would look at this, they would see sequences that were impossible for a organism to have and be alive.

That was their problem with it. That's why they got a lot. Well, it's contaminated. Well, it can't be. It's impossible. You know, the problem was these were double-blind studies at UCLA and Texas A&M and Chapel Hill, North Carolina. These were mainline big name labs. So that kind of cut that off.

You know, a Louisiana crime lab put people on death row, and you're accusing them of contamination. That's not going to fly very far. Sure. So it obviously wasn't contamination, but, you know, that's all they had. And they definitely weren't going to admit it was. sort of, it was a living, breathing creature. Right, the supernatural aspect is not going to happen. Because what they would look like, they look at this, they look at, and I'm no geneticist,

and I'm just know enough to be extremely dangerous. So all you geneticists is listening out here, don't lose your mind. But there are sequins, there are areas of the genome that, whether it's hair color or skin color or, you know, different types of things, but there are, there were critical subsystems of the body. and when they look at those sequences, they'd be incomplete or single strand, double strand. They're like, there's no way this could gestate.

This should not be alive. You shouldn't have a DNA sample from this organism alive, but yet there it was. And with all these genetic anomalies, it was living and breathing. And that was the hurdle they couldn't get over. That's where they step back and said, no, we're not believing this. It can't be real because it can't. Wow.

So we, so that's, you know, that's, I've never had anybody break it down like, like that to me. I knew there was, when that whole study happened, I mean, I was new in this whole thing to begin with. But I remember seeing the drama and I'm just a truck driver in Philadelphia. I don't understand any of this stuff. And so I just never had anybody talk to me about it and tell me exactly what happened there. That's fascinating. And there are big names in the Bigfoot community. It will completely disagree.

And they'll just stand up and say it's hogwash. I've had one of them look me right in the eyes and tell me it's hogwash. And that's fine. But they can't repeat it. I mean, they've basically every time they continue to test and they continue to get mitochondrial human unknown nuclear. And then they, they, that the old standby is, well, it's contaminated. And I'm sorry, but not that. If the labs in this country are that poor and don't know how to decontaminate and run a sample without contaminated contamination, we're in big trouble.

Sure. I mean, it's just doesn't make any sense. And this has been going on since. the 80s. Oh, it's contaminated. It's got human DNA. No, it's a human hybrid. And if you, you know, here's how you tell you have sauce squatch hair. If you have a hair that's a non-human hair and it yields mitochondrial human DNA, it's such soft squatch hair, okay? Or it could be a dog man here. But it's a, cryptid hair because it, the foundational DNA is the mitochondrial and it's always human female, regardless of whether you got dogman, uh, a softwatch,

or goat man or whatever cryptic is running around out there. That seems to be, you know, the building block is a human female. And then you build from there. Yeah. But, yeah, so it was, and, you know, there's, you know, the politics aside, there's a whole, you know, you could do a whole show on the politics of the Sasquatch world. And, you know, there's people I know that you, if I mentioned that know me, they're probably already thrown the headsets down and walked away from the podcast.

That's okay. And that's fine. Yeah. I mean, but the problem is bringing all the samples in the world, I've even made this claim. I said, you test those samples and they're going to come back,

you know, human mitochondrial, unknown, unknown nuclear. And you can't run from that. You can't hide from that, no matter how many samples you get, it's always going to come back that way.

Yeah. And they're always like, well, it's contaminated. We've been doing contamination now for 60 years. And so, you know, it's just not true.

So, all right. We're talking about this DNA and the samples and all that stuff and the hybrid human. I think one, this would be a good spot because I didn't do it in the beginning and I like doing this in the beginning and end of interviews with people that have books. If you could let people know the two books, I think it's two books, right? Well, it's more than two. It's more than two? Yeah. All right. Let the people know the books that you've written, where they can get them. And then maybe we can go into the Nephilim angle because. I know you've written about that. Did the idea of the Nephilim angle come from these studies?

That's where it came from. I had to do all that background. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. That, you know, once that study came back and we knew that's what they were, they were this very exotic human hybrid, then, you know, that's when the head starts scratching. Okay, then what are they? You know, I've seen them with my own eyes, but what are they?

What matches this? And then, along with the... the DNA evidence that we've got some sort of hybrid that had a, then I started getting the the supernatural, the woo, like we talked about earlier, the woo stuff, what everybody calls the woo, which is a paranormal,

supernatural, hypernatural, there's all kinds of the word. I wave that flag proudly. Yeah. And so basically that means that it's something that, you know, it's technology and the use of technology we don't understand. We talked about that. We talked about that. We see technology as the use of carbon chips or, you know, of some, you know, we build something and that's tech. And I think the Sasquatch have the ability to use the natural world around them and have the understanding of what frequencies and other things do and then have the ability to create, you know, infrasound and other, and to manipulate, you know, the world around them and use that tech. It's still a technology. It's just, you know, they're just using the natural world as it is to do things.

Yeah. You know, whether it's, you know, whether, you know, you get into the cloaking aspect or whether they're able to, you know, they're, I know, they are able to cloak. But, you know, how they're doing it. They're using that, you know, the mind speak, the fighter flight, the missing time, causing people not to remember or, you know, in planning thoughts in their head, those sort of things. So that's all, I think, part of that, the ability. to manipulate things. I agree. I agree.

All right. So tell people with your badge. Okay. So I have. I can tell you don't like self-promoting. So I don't like you. I don't like. Yeah.

So the first book was this, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the Bigfoot field journal. Okay. And those, one of them was a hardback. And if you want to see my thinking way back when, basically it was more like it was a journal, Bigfoot field journal. It was just my research and filled with a bunch of blurry pictures. And, uh, but. And then I did two of those, volume one and two.

And then I did the Nephlam Amongus, where I, you know, that was when I'd come to all my conclusions and the study was over. And so I literally said, this is my research from point A to point B. And this is my, these are my conclusions based on my knowledge and experience. And so I called that the Nephlam Amongus, excuse me, the identity of Sasquatch and other mysterious creatures. Because by that point, my research had now, you know, I now encountered a dog man and I've got, you know, video. It was this thing called Adaro. And then I had whorbs and I had black holes or what. Really?

Yeah, I'm not black hose. I'm having brain lock. That's right. Portals. Portals. I had more than one portal. I have. It's freaky.

You're at the right place, my friend. I've got a video. You see the portal develop. Really? Yeah, you need to look at it. Unfortunately, it's in 480P, but it develops, and there's this white, grayish creature with elongated skull in it. And, I mean, it's a demarking.

I mean, you know, I'm not toot my own horn because I was just walking away from it, but you can, it forms a circle, and it's like looking into water. Wow. And, I mean, it gets to the point where you can. can see the edge. You can see the eventorizing all the way around it. And so, and it's, it's, it's, uh, it posted here a couple, three months ago. I've been, you know, I've had so much stuff out there. I'm literally going back and, and remaking stuff because most people are lazy, no, no offense. Sure. No, yeah. So they're going to look at the first 50 videos, first 25. Well, I got stuff back

there from 2009. And, you know, then people are asking me questions like I answered that in 2009. Yeah. So I'm having to do. It's a long time ago now. And I got better software now so I can do a little bit more enhancements and, you know, stabilization and contrast and, you know, and sharpen. So things look a little better, you know, you can actually see, you know, see a little bit more detail in there. I'm kind of like M.K. Davis, you know, if anybody knows where him, he just keeps going back to the Gimlin film. Yeah.

It just keeps drilling it deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper. Yeah. And bless it is hard, I hope I'm not that bad. But I do see that, you know, when the technology increases, I like to go back. you know and look at some of the older stuff you know because you can get uh you can get some you know stuff more in focus and and get some of the artifacts out of it that were in the 480p i feel i feel the same way with my show i do reloaded mondays every monday i put out an old episode yeah and some of the really old ones i will put out and before i put it out though

i'll run through some stuff that i do to audio now yeah because i like i think it was episode four not too long ago. I put out as a reloaded Monday. I was like episode four. I'm just like, oh my gosh, this is some really bad audio. And I remember back then I was like, oh, this is good. Not no more. But I totally understand the idea of going back through it all. Yeah. And then we got, let's see, the Nafflin Among Us. Then I actually went to Colorado. Dave invited me out there to do, he had a, did a conference out there. It was very cool, where he did. He did more than just Sotsquatch. He had already started as missing 4-1, but he did like UFOs. He's a Mufon guy. I didn't know if you know those. He's been in Mufon for a long time. Okay. So long before there was Soskwatch at all,

like early 20s maybe, he was in Mufant. Wow. So he did this, this conference. And like, I was bombarded us over and over. What about the DNA study? All I've heard it says, I've heard it's that. I heard it's a bunch of bunk. And literally I was surrounded the whole time by people asking me questions about the Sosquatch genome study. So, I decided to write a book. I said, I got to write something. So that's where the, uh, uh, the truth denied because, you know, my humble opinion, you know, that's what it was. They saw, they saw the results and they're like, no, we're not accepting this. No. You know, it, you know, it, it, it bust up our paradigm. It bust up our money making schemes. You know, my revenue stream comes

from it being a bipedalate. My revenue stream comes from it being unknown. You know, my revenue stream comes from, you know, being undiscovered. So if it's known and discovered and it's not a bipedal ape, you've got a lot of people, you know, you got the conspiracy of the like-minded kind of working together, you know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And so I put that together and it's actually, you know, it's probably my best work because the research. I mean, I've got everything documented. And, you know, since all, most of this came off the internet. Most of I had to do print screens.

Even they scrub stuff off way back on some of this stuff. I don't know who has the power to do that, but they did. Some of these articles, but so what I did, I was smart enough to go along. I don't know. I didn't know if I'd write a book, but I was so tired of proving this to people. So I literally would screenshot the websites and do, so I had screenshots of all the things that I said or were claiming to happen or conversations for this person who denied he ever said this. Well, he said it. And there it is.

But, you know, I was hoping it was scrub sort of deal. So literally, you know, I've got just an index, you know, a half an inch full index. And literally what wasn't on the Internet, I just printed in the book. Wow. Because I didn't have any way to do it. What the heck? Looking at your club numbers. Oh, my gosh.

My phone just started playing. That's weird. Yeah. The creatures were where. Yeah. I was listening to Tim, Tim Poole earlier today. And my phone just started playing. Yeah.

Wow, that was weird. Yeah. That was caught on camera too. That's pretty good. Everybody knows I didn't touch my phone. Yeah. So they're not wanting this information out. Yeah.

But anyway, you know, the black hats are out there with messing with us. But yeah. And so I did, so I even, for those things I couldn't reference, you know, with a link, I just printed so people could read it. And then I did an updated version. I did the Nephlema among us updated. And now I'm working on, I'm almost got it ready for publication, a special edition where I've added like three or four chapters.

I made it big. Everybody complains like the first version was expensive. I use Amazon, if it's okay to mention that. And it's self-publishing. So if you use glossy and you use a lot of pictures, they charge you a lot of money. And so, you know,

they'll come out and they'll say, like, well, you know, you must charge $28 for this book. Well, you know, no one's going to pay $28 for a book. Most people are barely going to pay $20. And so you have to start taking the pictures out. And so when I did the second book, I just did everything on Matt, black and white. So I could put the pictures not so good, but at least get them in there. And now this book I've done, I mean, everybody can, and I had several people, you need to do a good book where you really clean these pictures up,

get them in glossy, you know, and so that's what I did. So I've got this 8 by 10 that, and it's going to be more expensive, you know, it is what it is. I mean, I'm not going to, I'm going to charge just the bare minimum, you know, I'll have to, you know, whatever it costs the ship and whatever, but I'm going to actually have to do it myself. I can't do it through Amazon. This book's over $50 through Amazon.

I'm like, no, I mean, that's just nothing. I mean, that's without me making anything. That's just, if I just said here, you just, you know, and so, we like to eat. I think people understand that. Absolutely. But so I'm going to actually advertise this one and sell it myself and ship it out and just have it printed. I can cut $20 off the book.

Oh, wow. And then so where I go from there, I don't know. I mean, I've got a couple things rolling around my head. And, of course, the latest book I've got is the Sasquatch Awareness Project. And that's what I'm into now, if you want to call it into now. kind of where I moved to. And I got started in that with Steve Ishtaw, you're back right before COVID hit. But I always had this issue, even when I was just doing the Sasquatch research,

we would get emails and contacted by people that were having experiences and like help. We don't know what to do. You know, we bought our dream property. We built our cabin. And now I've got this eight-foot monster sticking his face in the window. And the cops won't come out no more. I mean, they know, you know, they see the tracks and everything, and they see the smudges on the glass, but they won't do anything.

They're like, there's nothing we can do. We call wildlife officer and there's, you know, we don't handle that sort of thing, ma'am, you know. And so, you know, call a paranormal investigator or whatever. And they're like, well, all they do is smudge and walk around and chant and the thing comes back right in the next night, you know. So, and, you know, that was always there. And I would, we'd answer and try to help, but it wouldn't, really, you know, focused on that. And then, and that, and it always was in the back of my mind.

It was always bothering me. You know, there was a few years there. I didn't really do a whole lot. I stopped. I mean, there wasn't anything left to research. In my mind, we put the thing to bed. We'd prove it's a human hybrid. We'd prove it existed.

These things won't talk to you. There's no way to study them, not realistically. They can defeat any technology we have. And then, you know, I, you know, I knew they were anephlin, which is, You know, you shouldn't be messing with the napalm anyway. And we can get into rebuke and all that, how I got rid of because there's a whole, you know, thing of how, you know, of the hitch. It's called the hitchhiker, a hitchhiker effect. And back then, I just called it, they'll follow you home.

And then they, you know, and then with the Skinwalker Ranch and all that, the guys, they came up with the hitchhacker. Because that was happening to them in another genre or another field of investigation. And see, it's all related. We can get into that. But, you know, so I've written this book, and it's just a, it's a small book about 110 pages. I want to keep it short and concise. It's very basic information and knowledge about the Sasquatch, what they are, what they look like, what to do if you encounter one, and, you know, help just to let people know that you're not crazy. And it's a book either you can read if you've had an experience and don't know anything, or if you want to educate.

Kate, you got a 12-year-old and you want to give them that book, you know, they're getting into the outdoors and you want them to be aware of these things exist. And then you can give it to them. And I, you know, I have solutions for help for like if you've got, got them come around your home or you got to come around your homestead or whatever. I've got practical solutions that we found at work, you know, not 100%. Nothing's 100%, but, you know, have good success. And then I've got the spiritual as well. And I put both of them in there. And I'm like, if you're, you know, if you're not a spiritual person,

and ignore the spiritual and go with the practical. If you're a spiritual person, then, you know, common sense says use both. You know, I always say rebuking works, but, you know, it doesn't hurt to go ahead and go, you know, it's not that you have a lack of faith, but, you know, it's just good old-fashioned common sense, you know, put the trail cummer and all those other things because there's more sometimes than the Sasquatch lurking. Yeah. Because they bring other things with them.

Mm-hmm. So. Yeah. It's interesting you say that way, because. I just today as today the time of this recording I just dropped an episode with Martin Groves and him and I briefly theorized

that because we hear people talk about Dogman and I know you mentioned Dogman which I did you see Dogman by the way I've seen one then we were definitely going to get into that but we hear people talk about how Dogman and Bigfoot don't get along and the

it was like it was this moment where he's telling his story and how he has these dogmen on scene. And then when they run and they get in the truck and they hit the lights in the field across the room there are two Bigfoot standing there. And then one drops down on all four. And we kind of just real briefly theorize this idea. It's like, what if the dogmen were there because of the Bigfoot? it's almost like how we have dogs and we let the dog off the leash and let it run around.

What if it was something like that or they brought them with them and they're just like, go and they went to terrorize. You know, it's thinking out loud. Yeah, there are, and there are all kinds of possibilities. Yeah.

I don't pretend to know them. Sure. Because we can't talk to either species won't talk to us. Well, there are, well, there are a few people that they'll talk to, mind speaker,

whatever, but for the most part, me and you can't go out in the woods and sit, down and have a conversation. Tell me where you come from. Yeah. What's going on? So, uh, let's talk about this dog man encounter because I don't, I don't want to forget

to get there. Because I, I have a feeling, I don't want to assume things, but you being local, I, I have a feeling you might be back in here sometime. And so we could hit other things, but it would be great. Yeah, but, uh, I, I don't want to because, all right. Well, I have three experiences. Really? Two are mine and one is a very, and don't let me forget to tell you about a late.

that had one on the other side of the airport because it's interesting. Mickey Tyson. Yes. Okay. Okay. Over there at that park that's on the other side. Yeah. In the lake where you can put in the water right there.

Mm-hmm. Probably she has a home near there and she encountered one there, but we'll get there. Okay. That one, like, ties a lot of stuff together. It makes, you scratch your head. Well, take us away then because I, I would say this. Over the years, the show has gone through phases. And ever since I come out with Expedition Dogman on Amazon,

we'd be getting a lot of people talking about Dogman. And so you're catching me in a stage where I'm like, oh, you got Dogman stories? Let's hear it. And it's crazy because when we were doing the DNA study, and back then, oh, we don't talk about Dogman. They'll think you're crazy. And we got this study going on, and they already are looking for every excuse to tear it down.

Don't say anything about Dogman. And that is when I got this footage, the first set. And that, that's the crazy part. If this would have been a Sasquatch footage, you know, I'd be somewhere else in an island somewhere, you know, drinking a, you know, a cola or something and watching the sunset. Yeah. But it was a dog man. And so it's like, hold the footage, don't publish it yet. Late till we get the DNA state done.

But so what happened and in time, I'm old, so time 2009. 10-ish, 2010. So we're still in the throves of the DNA study. I've gone down here to the Bakers Creek. I've walked out a trail that the trail ends, and there's a road bed that goes across where it used to go. The road used to go down the old ferry. And so there's a flooded roadbed, and there's an island.

And then on the island was like where one of the offices, the ferry station was. There's still remnants, and then you'd go down across the teleco. there, I don't know, I think it was Niles Ferry. It was one of the fairies there. And, and so I'm interested on that island because I'm, I'm thinking, and there's evidence that they're going over that island, sleeping on an island during the day, then walking back across and, like, I would put sticks and stuff to do a bunch of low-tech stuff, and I get partial footprints, and they, I'd put a stick across the trail, and they'd kick it out of the way, you know, coming from the, so I was there. That was what I was interested in. And this trail is extremely grown up.

It's kind of, it was an old horse trail, but the horse, there's some trees had fallen, so the horses weren't like keeping it, you know, keeping it a beat down. So it, it would literally groan to shoulder. All I could do is just get through it. So I had foliage on my both shoulders. And I had the back trail camera, which is a camera that is on my shoulder, mounted on my shoulder, and it's filming behind me. And I always, I started doing that, you know,

because I captured one looking at me when I was filming and holding a camera to the side, and I figured out they're peekers, they're watching and peeking. And so I've got this back trail camera going, so I don't know what's going on. I just, every 10 or 15 minutes, I start and restop it, so I get short, you know, and I'll have to deal with big clips. And, you know, and then, you know, when I get homes, when I figure out, you know, if I got anything. So I'm doing my thing. I'm looking across to the island.

I go to turn around and I get caught in some briars and I kind of readjust, get the briar out, and I turn around and leave. Well, when I get home during this sequence of me starting to turn around and then turning around, there in the bushes, you know, three or four feet behind me, this soft squad, or not as much, this dog man had it, he kind of like, he had his head back. It's like he was raising up at his head back, leveled his head, and pushed his snout through. And you can see him do that. And you can see the end of the snout. I mean, he's in the bush.

So, like, laying over the cross, those have seen the footage, there's like foliage laying across his snout. You can see the right eye and the part of the right head. And then he's got this weird little creature that's literally sitting, It's literally grabbing, is literally holding on to the side of his head. And it's got silver fur or hair, and then it's got like a Caucasian colored face. And it's constantly moving its little mouth. And we'll get into what that people think that is. So this thing levels up.

And for just a second. And since I'm moving, it's like, you can see it. It's like a boxer. You know, it's on the balls of its feet. It's kind of, it's swaying. It's like, it's kind of watching me and trying to figure out what I'm going to do. And when I go ahead and break through and twist all, start to twist around, you know, all the way, then it goes down. You can see it.

It lowers itself down. And it stays right there. It does it, like, run. And then I completely turn and walk off. But when I get home, you know, I'm reviewing that footage losing my mind. Yeah. I just couldn't believe it. And so I called Dave, Pilate, he's real excited and telling him, and sending him the clip.

And he's like, you know, we can't, you know, don't show this. You know, everybody think you're nuts, think we're nuts. You know, we can't have dog man associated with you and you're, because you've, you know, got 11 samples in the study, yada, yada. And so, you know, it was in peer review at the time. So I'm like, okay. But he said, you know, it'd be nice if we could get some DNA samples. So after the saucewood study, maybe we can move on to the dog man because he said, I see it. He said, that's been trending in a lot of questions and stuff.

So maybe we get a leg up. Well, dumb me listens today. In California. And so the next weekend, we have some friends. There's a campground that's not too far away from here, and they're camping. And so we're going to go visit them, right? And so, and, you know, Dave's kind of like, hey, you know, we really like to get those hair samples. So I'm like, okay, so how am I going to get out to this place?

So we go right by it. So told the wife at the time, I said, just drop me off. I'll go set these hair traps and I'll come out and call you. And you come back and get me and we'll go to the, you know, we'll go down and we'll, you know, do the camp out thing and fish and hunt or whatever we're doing. Barbecue. And so she says, okay. So, you know, I've got my garb on because I'm going in the bush and got my gun with me. And that year, the cicadas were out.

And, I mean, they were so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. So that's the background. I mean, as I'm walking in, they are, I mean, they are just, I don't know how many decibels it was. You can hear it on the video, but it, there is no noise other than them. It is that loud. And so I get out there and I go in behind that area. It's on the end of this point. And it's just real grown up and nasty.

and I work my way in there, and I've got like, I do some hair traps, and I use some, I got some bacon in a jar, see if I can get them to open the lid, and I've got a hot dog, and just food. And so I put that up, so I'm done, and I'm walking out. So I've got a monopod with my camera on it, and I've got the back trail, and so I'm walking out, and it's kind of difficult, you've got a bunch of fallen trees, and then you've got a bunch of growth over the top of those, and so it's just, I'm just literally waiting back out, and then And to my right, I catch movement.

And I turn my head just in time to see this thing leap up on the side of a tree. And it's about, I'd say about 20 yards, 60 feet to my right. And so the foliage, you got to understand the foliage. I'm 6'3, and the foliage is like eye line to me. And so this thing is jumping up so it can see me. So it jumps up and it grabs the side of the tree with its hand claws because they look like raccoon hands, what they look like. They look just like a raccoon's hand with long claws on the end because I saw the shine. And he literally, he flipped the end of the tree.

And then he leaned back. So I imagine I didn't see him, but from like the center, like right below the chest up. I imagine he's got his feet in the side of the tree. He leans back and looks over his right shoulder in my chest. direction. Now, he's not looking right at me. He's just kind of looking in my direction. And so I raise the camera and I'm starting to zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out. And I mean, with all the thick tholage and it's auto focus, you can imagine what's going on. I get it for a second and it goes out of focus. So I'm struggling with the focus. I get a few

seconds of decent. You can see that there's something there with big ears and the nose. And it looks kind of like a German Shepherd. By the other one had a flat, nose, almost pig snout like, this one has a dog nose. It literally has, looks like a German Shepherd face. And so I'm doing that. And then I kind of like, I'm all excited. I don't know why I'm excited, but I'm excited. And then it hits me.

Oh, man, that's a dog man. And so I'm like, you know, I'm thinking of myself, you know, you probably need to get your gun out. So I put the monopon beside, I pull the gun. I have its hoster. And I don't, it's a, it's a, it's a 40 and it's a semi-automatic. And so I don't have one in the chamber, which I know is just useless as a rock. I just have to club it to death. But, you know, I don't want to shoot my foot, hold through my foot.

So I don't have it. I don't carry around in the chamber. I've since learned to go ahead and put around in the chamber. We'll trust clock, not to shoot my foot off. I appendix carry. So imagine how I have to. Yeah. I don't know.

I still, if I had it in my, if I had it in my belly, I don't know. I got used to it, but. This is speedcock. I'll tell you what, having one in the chamber when I first started pending scaring, I was nervous. Yeah, I just could see myself screwing up and, you know, shooting a hole in the top of my foot. Yeah. So, but the mistake I made is, and it was a high tech, it was a cheap one because that's all I could afford. And so they're all steel or pot metal.

I'll be honest. So I rack a round. And instead of easing it off, I just let it go. Yeah. So ching-wing. I mean, and when I did that, so this thing's, it's kind of, it's given me what I call a side eye. So I squatch do the same thing. It wouldn't look right at me.

It was giving me peripheral vision. But when I did that, it literally pivoted its head and did its ears like that. It pointed out as you. Yeah, and looked right at me in the eye. eyes. And I'm here to tell you that was the coldest, deadest looking. I mean, this thing looked through me, not at me. Like, I mean, it looked at me like I'm looking at that water bottle.

Like, it's just, I was an inanimate object that didn't matter. I mean, that's the, you know, like I've looked, I've made eye contact with the squash. It's got, you know, there's a soul there of some sort. There's, there's a being there. There's a life there. I mean, this thing is like, you know what a deer looks like when it's mounted? You look at its eyes.

That's exactly what the eyes look like. Wow. They were dead. That was the deadest eyes I'd ever seen. And so this thing's looking at me at this point, I know I've screwed up. Because at this point, I'm thinking he's coming off that tree. He's coming off that tree. And then I started running scenarios through my head.

It's like, okay, if he stays on fours, you know, or if he goes off fours, you know, go to one knee because he's moved, you know, if you stay up when I creature, like you're getting a bear attack, go on a knee. Because if you shoot from a standing position and aim for his head, you'll hit him in the butt. But if you kneel down or level with him and you're shooting straight at him and every round is going to be going in the face and the shoulders. Yeah.

So you're going to have a little better chance of stopping him. Survival tips right here. And I've learned that for a while back. But so that's what I was running that through my head and go down it and just you know, squeeze, center mass, empty out, filling for my knife, you know, pop that, I said, you know, if I'm going down, I'm going down fighting. Yeah. I'm definitely going to be stabbing him, you know, because I don't know if bullets will stop him.

Yeah. And then I, you know, if he stays upright, you know, center mass, you know, just unload and, you know, just, you know, just get ready for it. And so I'm literally just, I'm just there. I don't have, I don't raise the gun because I'm, you know, I'm like, just, I'm, just, I'm, chilling just in thinking these things. And then nothing happens. He just continues to look at me. And so my brain kind of, you know, I kicked myself like, move.

You know, I literally had to like think to my feet move. And so I, you know, he's going to let me get out of here, I think. So I literally just kind of turn, slowly shift and then start. But I'm having to like check behind me because I'm having to step over stuff. And it's nasty. And I didn't want a trip and fall for sure. And so I'm back and back out. And I get out, I get out enough out of the thick stuff around where the old

feeding station used to be and then make my way out to the horse trail. I'm backing the whole way. And I back out the horse trail. And then once I get at the end of this little peninsula, which would probably be about 100 yards away from where it was, I take off walking really fast. And so I got, this is the days I got the old flip phones. And I'm, you know, I'm trying to call me the wife and not getting anything. No service, no service.

Where she's at and where I'm at, there's no service. I'm like, oh. So I'm, you know, walking, you know, not running, but walking fast and pretty much, you know, keep an eye. And then it picked me up. I probably walked. I always forget to include this because everything gets going in my head. But it followed me out. It gave me the role.

escort. The loud, I'm here, and I'm falling you out. So it was quartered me about, about 60, 70 yards to the left, depending on where I was on the trail, sometimes it would be on my left. And then, you know, if I was running near the lake, it would cross over and be on my right. And I didn't know who to call or what to do. And I called Dave. I got out a little ways. I went all the way out and I called Dave. And I said, I've seen a freaking dog man. It's all your fault, Dave. It's all your fault. He's like, what? What do you? you talking about? I said, I've just had a, like, an eye-to-eye dog man encounter, and he's still here, and I said, if he kills me, it's your fault. Something to that fact. He's free. He's like,

what? And I said, I just, I can't get a hold of my wife. And I said, I need someone to know what's going on. Yeah. And if I don't call you back in about 30 minutes, I'm dead, 911, and this is where I'm at. So at least you can call Tennessee 911 and tell them, you know, you know, there's some, you know, I've got a new subject for my next buck. Yeah. You know, missing 4-1-1, the dogman. And so, you know, he knew I was serious and he knew it was a serious situation. But, you know, so I finally, I just kept, what I did is I just kept moving.

And I got, I got, I finally got a hold of my wife and said, I need you to come get me now. And I think she didn't even question. She says, something's wrong. I said, yeah, I can't explain. just now come meet me at the area. Well, when I got out to the little parking area, it's a, it's actually the parking area is a, is a cemetery.

And so there's an access road. It's paid. And then up about, up about three or four hundred, not three or four hundred, probably about 200 yards is a boat ramp. And so I'm on the access road and I'm like, I'm getting out of here.

I'm walking, I'll just go to the main road if I have to, go out to Teleco Parkway. and go. And so I'm walking, so I've got my pistol in one hand, a camera and the monopod and the other, and I'm walking the main drag. And I see the wife coming up and she whoops the Jeep around. And she can tell by a look on my face, there's no color left. I'm white. And she knows something bad's wrong. And I said, don't, you know, I said, look, she whipped it around. I threw the, through my backpack and the camera in the back, had the top off the Jeep, jumped in the Jeep, still had my

pistol between my legs and said, go, go, go. So she took off and I said, don't, I said, go. I mean it. And she said, we're being chased and I said, I don't know, just go. And so we got out to the main road on 4-Eleven and then started back. And she was just trying to get, you know, get away from the place. And we're driving down the road. She looks over at me.

She says, is that loaded? I'm going, yeah, it is. And she said, I think we're all right now. why don't you unload that for me? So I unloaded it. And we pulled into a little gas station about a mile up the road. And I told her what's happening. And I said, actually, I think I got some video of it.

So we got the little Sony out and on that little screen and backed it up. And sure enough, you could see it. Enough did it. It made her cry. Made her upset. Wow. She got upset. Let me ask you this.

You just brought your wife. When you got involved in all this stuff, I think you said 2008-ish, what did your family think of like hey you went from laughing at you to like a bigfoot videos to oh you came home and now you heard something crashing you're going to start doing some videoing out in the woods well unfortunately i've been through two wives okay through all this okay god forgive me but and the circumstances weren't caused by size squad or anything but uh the the kids didn't care i mean they just thought was fun to go out and and i was was dumb enough to take them out a few times.

And I stopped after, about this times when I stopped because of the dog. I'm not going to expose them to this. But she was okay with it. She actually had an experience at the house where one, they were coming to the house. We talk about the hijacker effect. And she saw one. And I've actually got a video of her on my channel where she recounts exactly what happened.

Wow. So they were, you know, why they're not like big into it. And she was disabled, so, and sometimes she was homebound or bedridden. Sometimes she wasn't, and she had a, uh, uh, uh, disconnected tissue disorder. So she was, you know, up and down as far as her health. And, but, you know, most of the time, you know, it was just, it was this, it was a hobby. You know, once I got to this point, it, it went back to being more of a hobby than it did, uh, you know, every weekend. I, there was a two or three year span where it was almost every weekend.

I didn't fish and I had stopped hunting. And that's what I was doing on the weekends. If I wasn't doing family-related stuff, it was that. But I had started already to back off and go back, you know, just doing it once or twice a month maybe. And then, of course, now it just, all I do is throw a back trail camera on and I'd go do something else. So that span of time where it was every weekend going out and stuff,

would you say that it was of interest or of, obsession at that point. It was obsession. Yeah. I was in like, I was like, I got to find out what this is. And it was like, you know, with each new experience, I'd learn something new and it was just, you know, it would pull you in a little deeper and a little deeper because you just, you know, you know, you find out they're not about people late. Now you find out there are some sort of human hybrid. Now, you know, they're doing these, uh, they're, they're leaving, you know, language and they're sending you messages and now they're coming to your house. Yeah. And they're doing stuff. And they're doing stuff. stuff there. And so it's just, you know, it's almost, it can be, you know, I warn people about that you've got to be careful. It can become an obsession, you know, to prove it. Yeah. And sometimes, you know, I was in the thing to prove it in a way, you know, because that was our goal, was to prove they exist, you know, through through the DNA, through scientific evidence, and through video if we can get it. So there's a lady that locally, well, she used to, to be local. I'm going to be interviewing her next week. And I wish I would have known she was here

before she moved. But she was about an hour east of here. Her and her husband seven years ago bought a house down here from Virginia, dream home, property, everything. They lived here for, they lived here for, no, I forget when they moved. They lived here for seven years. Yeah, so they lived here for seven years. Seven years ago, they bought the property. She said that for seven years, they were tormented on their property by these creatures and, I guess, in the house as well as like orbs and hauntings, to the point that they sold their property in this market for less than what they bought it for. Oh, goodness.

And move 10 hours north to Indiana because of these things on the property. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, go check out the second half of the show because it's not over. This is just the first half. The second half is waiting for members right now on the website and the Castos app. I promise you it gets really, really good. That's waiting for you right now, members.

So go ahead and check it out. Everybody else, I'll see you next Tuesday right here. Until then, stay safe, take care, and remember the truth will set you free, but first they'll piss you off. Bye. Oh, goodness. And move 10 hours north to Indiana because of these things on the property. They just moved in December last year. I wish I'd known that.

Me too. I mean, I don't do. house calls me, you know, somebody like that, you feel like you could help. Right. And, and, and I, I told her, because she didn't know who I was, I guess somebody on her Facebook just commented my name, and so she reached out to me on Facebook. And she's like, I don't know much about you, but somebody told me to talk to you. And I was, and I told her who I was. And I, and she said some about research. I said, well, actually, I don't do research. I just talk to people about their experiences. And I think most researchers are, I had some words, because I just, I think that the guys,

who are telling me, let me tell you what it is. I'm like, bro, like, if you know that well, we wouldn't be sitting here right now talking about these things. It would be case closed. Yeah. But anyways, so I'm going to be interviewing her next week. Oh, good. But she didn't live over there, does she? No, no, no, no. She actually, because I live. Because if this lady's listen, I lost her phone number. I need her to call.

It would be nice to talk to you. But anyway. I live ready to tell you about. I live closer to Seymour. and she lived about an hour east from me. She's in the mountains. Yes, yes. I actually know what? I think she said Newport.

Yeah. What was it called? Some kind of Indian reservation or? Cherokee. The Cherokee have their reservation up there. Yeah. Like it was something, some kind of wildlife reservation. Awasi.

It was a weird name. I forget. But she didn't want to give me the address. rest of the place because the new owner, she said, wouldn't take kind to it, which I'm sure. Did she tell the new owner? I don't think she did. I don't think she did. And that's why I want to find out where this property is because I was like, this would be such a

great case study. If that new owner needs, well, you'll find out. He'll call her and say, what in the world did you sell me? If she calls you, maybe we'd go out there and do. Absolutely. Pray and see what we can do. Yeah, and guns. Lots of guns.

Lots of guns. Lots of guns and praying. Anyways, go ahead and... No, so that leads into... Because that's just what warriors do. It's gonna like a cellulay want to