The Confessionals - 526: Treasure Hunting with The Knights of Cast Castle

Episode Date: March 7, 2023

In Episode 526: Treasure Hunting with The Knights of Cast Castle we are joined by Shane Cashman and Wesley Roth. They both work for Tim Pool, Shane as a writer and host of Tales From The Inverted World, and Wesley as the writer and director of the Cast Castle sitcom. In this first part of an Overtime episode, we talk about Shane's journey tracking down lost confederate gold from the Civil War and trying to raise children through a global illness, and keeping careers afloat. In the Overtime, we talk about a lot of topics such as our spiritual developments, witches opening portals with dogmen coming through, Tony's warlock invitation, Shane's time spent interviewing Ye (Kanye West), Eliza Bleu, and much more.Connect with Shane and WesleyShane Twitter: @ShaneCashmanShane Instagram: ShaneCashmanWesley Twitter: @wesleyrothWesley Instagram: waroth00Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinSee Tony LIVE in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals60" for 60% off plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvetOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube: https://bit.ly/3yH4kvGApple Music: https://apple.co/3nDfsU1Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3nErEUI

Merkel Media This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door curl up to grab it and then disappear

When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two small, gross push, and it couldn't

move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody, you're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is The Confessionals at the Confessionalspodcast.com. That's the Confessionals at theconfessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, theconfessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Other words for me, just get a hold of me. If you want more shows on a weekly basis, go to the Confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the join button and you can become a member today. Get access to Thursday shows, which are member-only shows. Tuesday shows add free and overtime segments

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Roth. Gotcha. Okay. I only know him as Wesley. Actually, I didn't know you as Wesley until I think you said Wesley. Because on your Instagram, it's A-Roth, right? W-A-Roth or A-R-Roth. Yeah, W-A-Roth.

It's just a play on W-Axel Rose. Whatever. I was like, I don't know what this guy's name is W. I'm just going to call him W. But, yeah. International man of mystery. Yeah, so you guys are here in the house today in studio. You guys reign from Cass Castle, right?

Tim Poole's crew. How should I officially say it? Timcast? Is that what you guys come from? We got multi-facid. I'm like in the Timcast newsroom. I am. What are you?

I'm the director of Cast Castle. Which is the blog. Yeah. Well, it was a vlog now. Yeah. The sitcom. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know.

What Timcast Media Group? Yeah. That's our. What's the official name of his company? Timcast. Well, there you go. We got two guys here from Tim Kass Media Group. I'd like the name of the Merkel Media Group.

We might need to change the name of the company. Yeah, but anyway, so just so people understand, if you don't know who Tim Poole is, what would you guys say he is? Like a political, cultural commentary guy on YouTube, but he's a massive following. Former on the ground reporter. Yeah. Yeah. What would you?

He got his start, you know, reporting on Occupy Wall Street, kind of 24-7 live streaming. Blip Inventor. Oh, yeah. Yeah, check his Wikipedia page. He says he invented a blimp. But yeah, he went from that to, you know, I think he was in Egypt for the part of the revolution, I think it was. Yeah, he saw some war zones. And now, yeah, he's got, you know, he reports on the news every day from where we are in, like, the Harper's Ferry, D.C. area.

And now he's got us. Let's back this rag tag group. It's a mini conglomerate. Media conglomerate. This band of misfits. Yeah. That is a really good way to describe it. That's how it feels.

We're just like all these like weirdos. Weird. Yeah. Weird malcontents. A bunch of people who have, are used to being the voice of reason in the room and we put all them together. It's very Connecticut weird. Yeah.

Most of us are fairly anti-establishment. But we disagree and agree on lots of things, you know. So, but it's a cool place to work. We're just doing. I think we both have our dream job. Yeah. Yeah,

you like in ways that I never thought possible. I never thought I would say that in my life. But we are. Like we're doing crazy stuff. But very different. Like you're, you know, writing a sitcom and I'm doing all the weird stuff I'm doing.

And it's rad. It's rad. And we get to talk to this guy. Yeah. Which is how, you know, like, you were crazy how we met.

Like on Instagram. Yeah. You snuck into the DM. I think, or you commented it. I slid into those DMs. Yeah. No,

I did. I slit into the DMs. Yeah. And it was incredible. I was like, Oh, yeah. This beautiful man. We'll get to that in a second. So, yeah, what happened was, actually,

let me want to tell you before I forget. So when somebody follows me on Instagram, I see it. And the confessionals I don't see. I don't venture over there, and I'm posting something. But my personal, I hang out on a lot. And when somebody follows me, I see it. And, you know, you see the profile picture.

And, you know, sometimes you see the thirsty, in there and they're like, oh, block, you know, because I don't need any of that drama in my life. And, but you can tell by their profile picture, some people have really good profile pictures and you're like, oh, they might be somebody. So let me just click on their profile to see if they have a following and should I know who they are kind of thing. Right. And when I clicked on your profile, Wesley, it said about, well, he was following you and said something about Timcast. And I was like, oh, that's cool. Let me give them a following stuff. And then I forget what maybe slide into your DMs, but I think I started off with Hey, Big Boy or something like that.

I didn't get such a nice message. What the hell? Well, you know, I like the long hair. But yeah, so with Shane, I was driving. A lot of people, like I said, about the Exmission Dog Man. I mean, it's been out for a while. But when I was driving from Philadelphia area to Kentucky to film that, I left early morning.

And I was driving through middle of Pennsylvania. It was probably about 4 o'clock in the way. morning. And I'm talking like nothing out there. If people aren't familiar with Pennsylvania, if they're from California, they might think, oh, Pennsylvania is a city like Philadelphia. Like there's Philadelphia, there's Pittsburgh, and there's a whole lot of nothing. And I'm driving through the dark part of Pennsylvania. And I'm listening to Tim Poole. And he was during October and he was doing this like spooky month or something. He was trying to, you know, talk to people with, you know, spooky stories. I was like, pick me, pick me.

You should have chatted. Well, it wasn't like. It wasn't like. is on replay. All right. And that's not safe while you're driving. That's right, kids. Yes. But you're on there, Shane, and you're talking about stuff, and I'm driving to Kentucky to hunt a dog man.

And you start telling this story about, and we're going to get to this story. We're not going to get to it right now because we're introducing you guys. But you start telling a story about a woman who went to a school of mystery, and one of the classes or something, they. were opening portals, and she talked about seeing an upright walking dog walked through the portal. And I was just like, I literally, I'm not kidding, I see this every time. I looked at my back seat. I saw 250 rounds of double-a-buck, and I was like, I don't think I have enough. And the experience we had on that journey, no, we didn't catch a bit, or Bigfoot, but a dog man on film.

but there is something very paranormal about these creatures, obviously with what you said, right? But, and I have a lot of information I'm going to be dropping on the new podcast that we're developing that's going to back up what you said. But there's something paranormal about these things where you say that, I'm walking through the Daniel Boone forest all day or all week,

and we come to this turn in the road where we believe there's a watering hole that is probably about, I don't know, 100, 200 feet up a hill. And so me and Kyle, the star of the show, start walking with the hill to go see if it's there. We left the camera guy, Joel, let's just call my names, camera guy's word, Joel and Christian down the path.

And while we're going up the hill, they're yelling for us to come back into frantic. I'm like, what the heck, you know, it finally got them, you know? And they said that when we started leaving, there was a tree in front of them. And it was a big, thick tree. I'm talking like, probably like that big, you know.

Anybody listening right now, it's about that big. Yeah. This might be on YouTube. This conversation might be on YouTube. Just letting you guys know, go ahead, check it out. If it's not there, then you know I decided I didn't have enough time to produce it. But there's a big tree and it started shaking back and forth. And they didn't, they couldn't see what was shaking.

It was only this one tree just swaying hard back and forth violently. And there's a, and there's a, and there's a, more to the story, but Joel saw it first, look back at Christian, said, did you see that? And just again, it happened again. Christian looks up and sees it again. They both saw it. And, and of course, we come under scrutiny because it's like, why didn't you catch it on film? I don't know. Ward wasn't doing his job, I guess. I don't know. Word was taking a breather. Ward was carrying a huge heavy rig, literally off trails all week long for miles through the Daniel Boone National Forest for my stupid butt, not even paying him. Like, I'm like, hey, you want to

going to hunt dog man he's like sure i guess you know this is guy like ward is a professional cameraman he does it for a living he used to work for glenbeck and he's walking through the forest with me looking for a monster you know so like sorry he had to take a water break you know we all thought it was a breather time where me and kha were going to go see if the waterhole was up anyways long story short dogman probably paranormal so probably probably um love that we were talking about it and it had that reaction to you like i just love thinking about people telling the story and then you having like a physical reaction of like looking in the backseat and being like being on that journey already. So beautiful.

That in its own right is is odd, you know? Seriously. Yeah. Like there's certain things that I, since I've been doing this that have happened where whether it's, it's crazy weird or just almost coincidental. Like that I would say is if you don't believe in coincidences, then it's on the verge of it. Right. But it's like, I think it's like, wow, yeah, that's kind of weird, you know, almost like the stars aligned.

There's something beautiful mapped out. but we're kind of surfing on right now. Yeah. And that's an experience. I just think that it's just, it's crazy how it's all come together, but that's how I found out about you. And I shot you a DM at some point after that.

And I was telling you earlier, I don't really, I shoot people DMs all the time, you know? And I don't really chase it, though. If they don't answer, they don't answer. And probably DMing is probably not the best way because it's not the best way for me.

I just too lazy to go over to find their website and find an email. So I'm just like, whatever. No, it worked out. I immediately I was like oh this guy's got a cool page and I was like I'm booking guests now because I was doing the members only at that point which is like a that was like a short run just because it turned into a whole other thing maybe at some point we'll do like a weekly thing but I did probably 12 or 13 episodes that went along with that first book for the inverted world

and I forget where you were in there but um that was such a fun episode talking to you like I was like I told you earlier how I had this like crazy panic attack that day and I was thinking about you know, I had to pull over my car on the way because I'm driving from New York to West Virginia. I'm like, I'm going to be Tony Merkel. I'm going to be totally normal, right? Not that I had to be, but I had that crazy panic attack and was thinking about like, just like the way the Bible was going to calm me down. And then we had this great conversation that kind of wound up talking about religion and, you know, just finding churches that accept UFOs and aliens and stuff. Everybody listening right now is like, yeah, that sounds like Tony.

I was like, oh yeah, this is great. That was such a fun episode. It was cool how that worked out. Again, kind of like the reverse of you hearing me talk about the dog man. I was getting to the Bible to calm me down. And then you had this great conversation about the Bible. And I hadn't thought about prior. It was that during like a more spiritual waking moment in your life.

I was getting there for sure. Yeah. Definitely. That's cool. It seemed like it was the only thing that could calm me down. Yeah. And it did. That's cool.

And when I showed up, I was like, I hope I don't look shell shock to Tony. But I guess I didn't. I guess I played it off pretty cool. You seen fine. That's good. So I show up to the Cass Castle and we do that recording and got to meet Brett and he was a cool dude. And it was just a cool vibe in there and stuff. And something was happening that night that I think it was like a meeting or something you had to get to and stuff because after we were done.

No, we were recording and we were being too loud. I think knowing me, I was probably getting too loud. And they said they were getting ready to record, go live for Tim's show. I was going right up against IR. Yes. Like the vent that wasn't fully soundproof. So we had to like, Brett was like, oh, man, I'm sorry, dude. So this is our, this is our round two.

Finally. Tim's like, do you guys hear something about Nephilim right now? He's like banging on the roof of the room. He's like, get that weird under the shot up. He's never coming back. And I haven't been back since. Yeah. Was that up in the old studio?

Yeah, we were in the old IRA studio at that point. Yeah. The pop culture studio. Yeah, but you will be back when I have. my other studio. This is on like an old house. So I did that music video that Tim did for his song. And it takes place in that house, which is like, I want to say it's like 1920, maybe ish.

Is it around there? So where you guys shot the music video is going to be new studios? Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. So I get like an old room upstairs and turning into, it's just a simple little studio. That seems very shame. It's not.

Dude. It's a really cool. It's a really cool. But like, I want to be very like simple. You know, I was like just painting the wall is dark and making it moody and it's going to be, you know, kind of like set in the, I want it to be like Victorian, but not too ridiculous. Because that's how I live at home. I live like I'm, you know, a time traveler. But I only go back.

Yeah. I mean, you said you don't have TV, don't have microwaves. No plastic. No plastic. Yeah. Yep. Yep. That's the way to go.

No jokes. Yeah. No. No. No. No birthdays. Yeah. No.

No birthdays. No. We're not that far. I do keep joking that we're going to be honest. I'm at this rate. Like, I'm getting rid of the car. I just, like, all the noise that we get through our phones and everything, I just, I get too distracted.

Yeah. And I, we got a lot going on. You know, we're all busy. My wife and I both work, the kids. And I want them to just enjoy their lives. And the TV just, to me, always felt like a, this, like, ghoulish centerpiece in a house that distracts everyone. You don't have conversations anymore.

And that's just how it was growing up for me because my parents paid more attention to the TV. So maybe I'm taking it out on my kids by making them not have TV. but they don't miss it. I mean, they get there sometimes an iPad here and there, but it's very rare. And I just want them to have, like, fun outside. Yeah. You know, go explore and grow up to do the things we do.

I think there's a lot of parents right now that feel those, that sentiment. I mean, they're just like, man, I just got to find a way to get my kids unplugged because it's too easy to get plugged in the Matrix so early, you know? And then the system has you, and you don't know who is making an impression on your children most of time. There's not a whole lot of safe places.

That's why, you know, Merkel Media is something that I'm trying to build up because right now we're focusing on the films, but eventually I want to do kids cartoons and things like that because I want to have stuff that I can show my kids, you know, and feel safe about it. I know there's a lot of other people doing the same thing. I see like TV has just destroyed culture in many ways. You see a lot of parents in cartoons these days and are just like mocked by the kids. It's just very bizarre.

And I've noticed that. Like there's a very common theme where the kids are mocking the parents, the Dad is always just drooling on himself stupid. And as a dad, I don't really appreciate that. It's in commercials. I mean, it's everywhere. So, yeah, I'm anti-TV. But it's not to say I don't love film and shows, you know.

Yeah, right. I just haven't watched any long time. I personally hate it. Yeah, I, I, I, um, I don't know. I have, I have, uh, YouTube TV for live sports. That's about it, you know? But, um, anyway, so that's you guys. Uh, you guys are here from, from, from,

that camp and today we're going to be talking about a lot of different things. So Shane, you started a podcast called Tales of the Inverted World, which is how you and I got connected. And you have done investigative work with that. And Wesley, you've done stuff with Atlantis. You're a world-renowned researcher with Atlantis. And he's just, you've found where it is. You've been there several times. You're rebuilding at the end of this episode. Yeah, he's rebuilding the technology. It's really, I'm really like just happy to have him in my presence. But I totally sent you guys down the wrong road. I'm an expert in Alanis, Morrissey. Oh. Now I'm more sold, honestly. I do not want to see your phone. Jagged to the enthusiast. But yeah, so let's, I guess

what we'll do is we'll start off, because this is going to be an overtime show, because there's a lot of things that we can talk about. Obviously, we've been talking for almost 20 minutes now. We haven't gotten anything. Um, so this. This is a lot of time. Um, so this is a lot of time. Um, so this is, is going to be an overtime show, but in this first hour, or however long it is, I want to talk about your latest journey with Tales of the Inverted World and also both of you, any kind of paranormal experiences you have had. Your latest journey, I have it in my notes here, investigated the ghost of the Civil War and search for the lost Confederate gold. Listen, the audience loves gold stories. They do. I've done a couple of treasure hunting stories,

and people love it. So did you find it? I can't tell you guys. I don't want the government to steal it from me. Now, listen, before we get to that, in the middle of this, while we're recording this, you're in a funky spot in your life right now. To say the least. Yeah, I mean, but this isn't the first time you had death threats, okay? You're having death threats right now, I'm assuming, or something like that because of the stuff you're talking about and you're writing about. Is that safe to say?

There's been threats. There's been dox. If I'm saying anything, just tell me to stop and I'll take it out. No, no, it's all good. There's been threats of hacking. It's been pretty dark. This doesn't come out for a while, right? Yeah, it's going to be like four or five weeks. So yeah, hopefully I'm still here when it comes out.

I'm just kidding. Sort of. But yeah, it's been a dark, a dark path with this story. Can I just say the topic? Yeah, for sure. Oh, you say it then. So I'm like investigating, profiling the Eliza Blue's story. that's for whatever reason blown up on Twitter to the degree it has.

I had initially just agreed to profile like I would anyone else. And between me actually going out to where she lives in Illinois, and for those who don't know who that is, it's a woman who is, she said she has been a survivor of human trafficking and has also been a public advocate of survivors of human trafficking. She's worked. She's advocated for a lot. of different people from, you know, she talks to Epstein victims and people like that.

And she's also gained notoriety through working remotely with Elon Musk on Twitter to help figure out ways to remove the child porn because there's a huge problem. I think maybe still the pinned tweet on her profiles about a young boy, believe he was 13. Maybe I don't know the age, but there was a young boy, definitely minor. was illicit material of him on Twitter underage. He had his government ID to show Twitter like, look, I was this old, da-da-da-da, like, look at me in this video, and they refused to take it down. I want to say for years. I think it was like.

And his parents went to Twitter too, right? Yeah, and it has a ridiculous amount of views. And so she helped, you know, I don't know if she actually helped do anything, but she definitely helped bring attention to it. Yeah, put a spotlight on it. And I've talked to the lawyer representing that child. And she's told me how much Eliza has helped. So basically, between me agreeing to do this profile on her, which I thought was going to be about her story of human trafficking, which she's told in part here and there, this thing happened online where people are just picking apart her timeline. And it all stopped making sense.

people were now afraid she's been profiting off of victims, which is a really heinous accusation. And then they started saying it's all for profit, it's all for fame, and that she's lied about everything. So all that's been called into question. And as that's like culminating on Twitter, people are sharing pictures from a video

that was public on the internet, on World Star Hip-hop, that was then on YouTube. and those accounts got banned that shared those images and that's when like it really the fire started because then it was like

accusations of censorship she'd already worked with Elon Musk like publicly she had Twitter spaces with him and like talked about ways she thought she could help Twitter with all this

human trafficking issues because Twitter and all the social media accounts are vessels for trafficking so when the the bands happen people are like oh she's working with

Elon to ban people. We don't know why it's ridiculous. It was a public picture. Like, no one knew why. So all that's happening and then I go out there. So, like, my focus on the story changed because it's not only am I just telling her story because no one's really heard it. It's like now I'm like interrogating her story. So it's like face to face, like asking questions I would never want to ask anybody and kind of balancing this idea of like, I'm either making her relive the most traumatic things ever. And the story, she told me were horrific, or I'm about to make someone expose this, like, elaborate lie. And I went there not knowing, like, I told my editor Cassandra on the way out there.

I was like, I'm either going to write a story that Eliza's going to hate or like, I have no idea. I had no idea. Because I really only knew Eliza a little bit. And I say it in the first part of the story. I just say, like, I got her permission to share her contact with Kanye West after I left Kanye West's place when I was there. profiling him. He's running for president in the United States of America. It's hard to say that. But it's like without laughing, but like I'm, I actually think he's going to become the president

of this country. We'll get inside later. But I know for time. Yeah. But I just lost the audience. They're like, oh, we're not listening to this guy anymore. Read the story. See what I'm talking about. But anyway, he was talking about human trafficking a lot when I was with him. And so I was like, oh, Eliza is the perfect person for them to talk. So I linked him together. So that was my first interaction, then we did the IRL together, and then this whole thing blew up. So are you the middle of that? Handler for all these people? Do you imagine?

Do I look like I'd be a good handler? I mean, you're a described. I can hardly live right, bro. My guy, no. My guy, we'll go back and find the Instagram live from today, whatever today is. But yeah, I've lost track of time. For whatever reason, the hate against Eliza at this exact moment, which is, February 7th has culminated

to something I've never experienced in my life. Like, I don't even want to open my Twitter. I've never seen Twitter in, from my angle like this. I've seen, we've been with like Tim Poole. I've seen him trending. I've seen people say the most heinous things about him while I'm standing with him. And they're saying the most ridiculous, like,

egregious things. I'm like, well, that's not, clearly that's not true. I know what they're saying about me is not true. I'm not really sure about the wave of hate yet I think I'm making sense of it now. Hopefully that becomes clear at the end of this three or four part series I'm writing right now. But it's brutal.

And I think, you know, a lot of people hate that she'd possibly use connections within Twitter to ban people. That would be a pretty terrible thing. Sure. If that's the case. I'm not sure if I believe that from everything I've heard so far and seen. But, uh,

you know, I'm still right. writing it. And I think I understand, I think I have a pretty good picture of everything now. I'm trying to lay it out. But yeah, I've been inundated. I've been attacked. People are saying the worst things. They've been given out addresses. They've been, man, just open up my Twitter. I'm, I'm pretty good at receiving criticism. I in fact, sometimes love it. Like I wrote a book, The Fucking Lunatic. And on the back of that book is all the worst things my own friend said about me when I wrote some things they didn't like about, you know, the way we slipped into medical team. tyranny a few years back. So I guess this is like the sick joke of me saying that. Oh, medical tyranny? Oh, that's when the government took all your control. I'm trying to build my YouTube channel over here. You should have invited me on. I should not have invited me on. But yeah. You mean when they were trying to save us? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right. You're just trying to help. Right. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm no stranger to it. But to this degree, it's new to me.

and I'm just going to do the best I can. I know I'm not going to make everyone happy. But yeah, I showed up today seeing you. I was like, I've never had this amount of like, I'm just like a cloud, a dark cloud, like walking around. And I feel it. And I'm sorry to both of you. No, you seem fine.

Like one of the hardest working people I've ever met. Thanks, man. And like, I don't know how you're able to do the things that you're doing and then maintain the, like, presence that you carry. I appreciate that. That means I'm somehow hiding all the insanity. Sometimes I think what I do is hard and then I look at you and I'm like, I'm all right. I'm not going to lie, man.

I'll tell you guys straight up. I have cried multiple times this past week. I've had to hear stories from survivors from all around the country. Stories I never wanted to hear. Never. This world is fucked up. And it's really bothered me. And my wife has had to be like, I mean, she's seen me just crumpled up.

And that's not to say, like, just because I heard those stories that I fully understand Eliza's story, but I really needed it to understand how different survivors see this whole world of trafficking. You know, whether they were strippers and became this or whether they were prostitutes and then got stuck into this violent relationship and these like invisible shackles. Because the funny thing is, it's not so funny. That's the title of a book, Invisible Shackles. yeah, write down. The funny thing is, when I did the show with Eliza on IRL, I was in talks directly

with Andrew Tate to cover him. And I was going to go to Dubai. Just so everybody knows right now, if they haven't picked up, you have interviewed Kanye West face to face. You came out with a big lengthy article. Carrie Lake, Eliza, Liza. And you were scheduled to do Andrew Tate. You're becoming a go-to for these kind of exposés of these high, high-profise. profile people who have a lot of hate going their way, I guess. No, God, I have been surfing God's hand into the craziest cultural controversies for two months. You know what?

Let's, all right, let's do this, because this is supposed to be the overtime conversation. We're going to take this. We're just going to move it to the overtime. Because the whole reason why I brought this on was that you're having death threats, but it's not the first time you had death threats because when you were doing this gold search, you had death threats as well, from my understanding. right? Yeah, yeah.

So let's bring it back to that. That was a good tangent, though, right? It was fantastic. And guys, if you want more of that, head on over to overtime. But no, so you're, I know that this, this trip to Georgia is like a while ago now. And so much of your life has transpired since then and shifted. Yeah. But let's go back to that trip.

Like, what spawned? What was the interest there and what did you do? What was this process going into it? It's about a year ago exactly that I made my first trip down to Washington, Georgia. And I only ever heard about it because my dude, my homie, Clint Brantley, who I did not know, emailed Tim Poole and said, I heard, I think you listened to the same show. You heard about the dog man. Oh, nice. And he was like, I think there's like hitting gold in my town.

and just go stuff. And Tim sent it to me. He was like, you went to this? I'm like, yes. So I spent like two months on the phone with Clint just like getting a rundown of his family history who's been there since the revolution. Like there's graves of the men in his family who fought in the battle down there that was on Valentine's Day. It was like the bloodiest battle of the revolution that happened down there. And that's how a lot of those people in this town are.

They've just been there forever since before America was America. Right. So I was definitely intrigued. I was like, I told Tim, definitely want to go down there. This would be my, I think my first real me leaving, you know, for him to do a big, bigger story. I did the serial killer story, I guess, but that still wasn't what this would because this became a whole book. So I flew down there within, I don't, I forget now, maybe an hour, maybe 30 minutes of me entering this town. I'm at the historic music. which is right in the center of town. And just real quick, this is the town where Jefferson Davis dissolved the Confederacy. So the Confederates had just burned down Richmond because the union was getting close. They said, nah, nah, nah, we're going to burn it ourselves. We don't want you guys getting anything. To the point where they were like dumping liquor into the gutters because they didn't want

their soldiers to get drunk. They just wanted to burn everything, burn in tobacco, burn everything and bounce. But there's this great scene I found in a book by a Navy. the Admiral, I believe, who was in, who was down there to a Confederate. He said there was drunken demons lapping up the liquor from the gutters with their hats, like scooping it up and drinking the liquor. And they were like screaming like demons. He referred to them.

What? And this guy is interesting because he eventually became that night that Richmond was burning, he became the guy that took the gold, the Confederate gold, out of Richmond. That's where it was. So there's two trains that leave Richmond that night. this admiral, I forget his name now. I want to say Henry something, but a rad dude, the boat he was on,

the ship he was on at Richmond, he stole from the union. And then he burnt that. And then he left Virginia with his train and like a rag tag group of like teenagers to hide the gold and the treasury of the Confederacy. On the other train is Jefferson Davis in his cabinet. And they all just go south.

And they wind down. And eventually it's a crazy. And I cover a lot of that. in parts of them leaving. I just want to see how the gold moved because it's interesting, thinking about all these men carrying gold, which is already shady, right? Yeah.

I'm not, you know you're losing this war and you got gold on you. You're a teenager. You're not getting rations anymore. You have horrible outfits. The union is right behind you. Your capital just burnt down. Your president's on the run.

I'm taking some gold is what I'm thinking. I'm not one of those people. But eventually, so they say, so the records say, you know, all these government records because it's been documented to a degree winds up in a town of Washington, Georgia, which is where my friend Clint Brantley lives. And so I go down there and like I was going to say, 30 minutes into me being there or an hour. I'm at the historic museum, this beautiful house right in the middle of town, I'm meeting Clint for the first time, weird meeting someone in the first time.

It's just like, okay. And he's like a real like Georgia boy. and he's like eight feet tall. And he's cool. I'm talking to the historian there. And then this lady just comes like running out of the building, screaming because she'd just seen ghosts. And they're too loud and she can't take it.

Are you serious? I'm like, I think I might have met her for two seconds since she went in and then she comes screaming out. So she's about our age. She comes outside. She starts chain smoking because she's like messed up. And I'm like, this is weird. Speaking of coincidences, the day before, or two days before, I was getting my haircut in New York.

I was still living up there from a friend. And she told me that she has a friend who comes into her salon. This is the first time this lady came into her salon. She said, there's something here that is like something your mom owned. She's like, what? She goes, there's something here like your mom used to own. And my friend Karen, it dawned on her that like a day or two prior she bought this paper towel rack because it had the heart shape that her mom's keychain used to have years ago.

Her mom's been dead for years. And she was like, oh, she said it was in a closet, like specifically is in a closet. So she's some type of medium, you know, and the ghosts are always talking to her. And that was two days or a day before I went down to Georgia. And then I end up this lady who ran out of the house screaming because the ghost turns out to have like the exact same type of ability that this lady, my friend knows, claimed to have. So I'm like, that's interesting. And her and I start off cordial.

It turns into something crazier as in her boyfriend is supremely abusive and insane. He's one of the guys who threatened me in the end because we were trying, I forget what it was. I was trying to talk to her about like witchcraft. Always comes back to witchcraft.

It turned out she was also looking for the gold and she was also trying to a TV show. And she told me that she uses like some type of witchcraft and talking to the ghosts to find the gold. That's not uncommon. No, she found, she's found a piece. A part of me feels like she planted it, though.

I will be honest, because she's kind of shifty like that. And she, you know, I think deep down she's a good person. I personally think she was possessed by some type of demon down there. And there's a lady who was the second lady ever hanged in Georgia from this town for killing her husband. The town had a hard time hanger. They know what to do with a woman, you know, to hang after such a heinous crime of shooting her husband's face off and then bearing him alive. and watching him, you know, well, waiting for him to die below the dirt. But I believe she was possessed by that person.

So that was one of the crazy experience. But like that all happened within one day. And then on like day two or three at night, I seeing UFOs that I cannot explain above this town. Like they're going up and down left and right, like the sign of the cross. Really? And I'm just staring at them. And everyone down there, like these old Georgia guys who they're just like the old, like, you know, they've got Confederate flags hanging the back porch. and they're like, oh yeah, that's been there my whole life.

Like, what? What do you think that is? They're like, my grandma thought she saw that too. And like, I talked to people who literally were like, these UFOs have landed in our backyards. So the story just, what were the stories? Dude, we had someone, I can't say who. I didn't name them in the book, break into a house to look for a Polaroid of a UFO.

We didn't find it. The house is a hoarder's like paradise and the guy had been dead for years. Wow. And he tried multiple times. Yeah, I was going to say, he had some help from the authorities. Really? Just say it. They're not going to listen.

Maybe they will. They will. This guy won't. Okay. This guy won't. This guy is like a severe alcoholic. Maybe, I don't think, I don't think our audiences are alcoholics, right? No, I don't think so.

No, this guy's got just a pretty horrible life. But he helped out. And he was very nice to me. So I'm down there for all of that, down there, I'm seeing UFOs. I'm seeing looking for gold. The town kind of operates in this economy for everyone looking for gold. Everyone down there.

People, if you're a tourist, chances are you there to find the Confederate gold. They're digging up. They got metal detectors. And they're also very unhappy if you're an outsider looking for gold. I mean, they hear my accent. Oh, yeah. Done. What are you doing down here, boy?

Yankee. Yeah. Yankee. You know, if I didn't have Clint walking around with me, it would have been a no-go. He was like my, I called him my Virgil from Paradise Lost. Was a Paradise Lost? and Dante's Inferno, because he kind of led me through the hell of, you know, this doom place. It was, you know, it's a grim place where it's the industry is all pretty much gone.

A lot of fentanyl. You know, the younger generation is not doing so hot. So, yeah, that's what I was doing down there. It was a lot of crazy stuff. I was also there like a month or two before the guidestones were blown up. The guidestones are right outside of this town. So I got to see them. It was pretty wild.

That might be the beginning of me being like. close to, not mostly controversy, but it's in the book. You know, I ended up trying to look into the guide stones towards the end of that book and what happened. Because they blew up? Yeah, it was super shady. So, well, I know that, but what was the timeline? You were there and then you left or?

I was there for parts of January for parts. Oh, no, October, then January, I think February and then March. And then the guysones blew up in like June maybe or? Gotcha. Yeah. The guysons blew up right after they turned CERN back on. Yeah. Right when Shindon.

Inzo Abe was assassinated. You got ideas. Thoughts about that? Which part, CERN? Well, the guide stones being blown up right at that same time. I heard a lot of theories down there. I mean, I think, I don't know, man. I go back and forth.

When I was at the godstones, I just happened to be there when, like, the guy was cleaning them because there's constant graffiti and, like, satanic rituals. And he was telling me about all the times people come there, try to sacrifice animals or throw chicken bones. Did he say why? he doesn't know why and he doesn't care he hated the guidestones I know it's on a on a hill right

sort of yeah it's like a slight hill in a vast field I just wonder if there's a reason if there's a reason why R.C. Christian put the Georgia Guidestones at that location if there's a cultic reason to it as well are you thinking like laylines type stuff or

I'm not sure I'm pretty dumb and I just talk to people that's interesting that's not true no but I we we maybe in the future on this show I can do an episode where we talk about who R.C. Christian was

because there's a guy who pretty much cracked that code and he has the receipts to back it up. Interesting. And so it's not a mystery anymore. It's just people don't want to hear it. I'll give you my theory

before I hear all about that in the episode is I think there's some kind of hoax. I think I really believe that there are a lot of big things in our history that are just hoaxes to create chaos between all of us. If you look at the guidestones, all of those things are in conflict with each other.

It's like globalism, but it's kind of like pseudo-Christianity. It's, you know, a lot of things I, some of the things I kind of agree with. I agree with not being a cancer on this earth, you know? I don't want to, I agree. That's a biblical thing, too. I like that idea. Like, I'm, we talk about hate in cities. You know, I'm from a farm in the middle of nowhere.

I feel the most comfortable in the land, right? So when I read that, I'm like, all right. But then there's other things that are borderline, you know, global, you know, human population control. You're like, this is the funny thing. And it's in the book. After they blew up, I found the guy who collected all the debris from the guidestones. Okay.

You found that guy. I found him. Okay. I was in his museum prior, not knowing it was a museum he, runs. He is so in this. The guy who collected the, the bomb pieces has a museum. Did he collect it for the museum? I'm assuming. He didn't say it was for that, but I'm like, what else would it be? Well, wait till I tell you this. Oh, I forgot the title of the book, but it's in my book. I forget what the heck it is. But it'll be funny because it's kind of ties into IRL. And something we kind of

briefly talked about earlier, he, this man who collected the debris, he was very upset when I asked about any type of population control stuff. He was like, it's nothing like that. It's, you know, we need to learn how to coexist with the planet. He was saying population control without saying population control to me. I also just talked to the lady who ran for governor in Georgia, who, what was it? What was her name? Oh, I have her number somewhere.

She's very nice. I forget her name. Okay. I should remember. She's a sweetheart. But one of her first executive orders is governor would be to destroy the guidestones. she's Candace Taylor that's right

K-A-N-D-I-S they didn't like her down there at the guy's zones because they all accused her of being the one to do it she believes they were hit by lightning she believes God took them down but then they have video of a guy running away

she believes that's UGI I'm just reporting back to you but so this guy who collected the debris he told me about his favorite book that he reads every year. And I can't remember the name of the book, but it's about how you save Earth by implementing population control.

And it's, we know it from IRA. The population bomb. And that population bomb, but it's when Alex Jones referenced, I am the gorilla on IRL. It's from that book. Whatever I Am the Gorilla is from, is from this book.

It's not Paul-Early. I don't think it's that. I think it's a work of fiction, but it's a way of implementing some of ideas on how to restrain. Oh, population. And I was like, oh, that's your favorite book? That's crazy. It didn't dawn on me until I sent it the story to my editor. He's like, that's, I'm a gorilla. I'm a gorilla. That's what that's wrong. Because I think the gorilla kind of sends telepathic messages to someone to kill Ishmael. Oh, like Bigfoot. Okay. Something like that. Yeah. That's right. Is that Bigfoot's in the telekinesis? Yeah, actually. Let's get into that. I'm ready. But that, yeah, that's the whole story with Georgia and all the, you know, me looking into the gold.

the story of the gold all these weird paranormal things and kind of my takeaway being like I believe severe trauma really can affect the way people experience paranormal and a place

from war happening there in terms of the revolution and the Civil War Civil War didn't happen in that town but it died in that town and then you know there was plagues and all that stuff

and so that's how my takeaway of that and people being mad at me for trying to look for gold because they take it very seriously. Yeah, so the locals down there, most of them are looking for gold. A lot of them. I drove around the town with the mayor, and he's like, show me around all this stuff. They have like a Bitcoin farm down there. They're all very proud of. That's like their new industry. Oh, really? He's outsourcing electricity to run the Bitcoin farm. I bet they're not happy with things that have happened with Bitcoin recently. I don't think he cares as long as that place is still mining Bitcoin.

He doesn't understand Bitcoin, but... Gotcha. Yeah. Very nice guy. When I went and saw his house, he was like, when I bought this house, my wife handed me a metal detector and said, now go find the gold. So it's like everybody from like the lowest to the highest. He said to his wife, go find the gold?

No, his wife told him. No. Yeah. His wife told him, he's a metal detector and go get the gold. Wow. So, yeah, it's a, I think there's stuff there, but it's probably not how they think. I don't think there's some big cachet. I don't think it's all been hidden somewhere.

I think it's probably been within certain families. I have a bigger theory in the book about where it might have gone. I mean, I think perhaps there's some guilty consciences down there, and they found ways to allocate the gold in their old age, which I get into. And, you know, but it's hard to prove anything.

A lot of that stuff is, my problem is with all of this stuff, from the Eliza story to the Civil War is, it's like, how do you trust anything anymore with news, even if it's documented, Yeah. Our government falsifies a lot of things or tells us things are true that we know are verifiably false.

So why would I think that a losing government like the Confederacy would keep proper documentation at the end of the war after the capital are just burnt down? So it's like it's almost like everything's quicksand. Do you believe that there is gold out there to be found? In general. Large cashes of gold. Well, those guys in Pennsylvania. Okay, I was going to bring them out. I didn't know if you knew their story.

I was trying to trap you into something to say, you saying, no, but like, actually. Nah, those guys, I tried talking to them. They're good. I had them on the show. Oh, they didn't like me. No? No, maybe it wasn't they didn't like me. I was just sad.

They said, no, because they are doing a television show. Yeah. Like, we're doing TV. I'm like, it's funny because in the, in that book, I talked about how much I hate TV for for certain reasons. It keeps kind of popping up here and there. And then at the very end, I'm reaching out to these guys. And they're like, no, sorry, TV.

I'm like, TV. That's when I removed it from my house. It threw it out the way down. Daddy, but plippy. For sure, for sure there is. And the government wants all of it. They went all around money and they went all the gold. You know what happened with their situation, right?

They sued and they were discovery, right? They won. Did they get it back? I don't think they're that far yet. Since I recorded with them, they actually won in court. And I was talking to Kim about having him and his dad back on the show and over Thanksgiving last year, but they just couldn't work out the schedule.

Because Kemp is now, I don't know if I could say what he does for living now, but he's not home a lot. And so, but yeah, I mean, they found, I think it was nine tons of gold. That was shady.

And it was all, it was about $400 million, I think it was. And it was all gone. And then they were like, all right, we're going to go in here real quick. Well,

they went in. I think it was a Saturday morning. The FBI arrived early, excavate, I forget the details, but like they excavated. And then when Kemen and his dad showed up.

They're like, what is going on? Like, you guys are supposed to wait for us. And they're like, come with us. And they went up to the big fresh Doug hole and told Kevin's dad to get down the hole. He gets down the hole. And he's, the FBI agent's like, is there any gold in there? And he's like, no. And he's like, wrap it up, boys, no gold here.

And people locally were saying they were working up there all night long. Did they have theories as to why the government wanted the gold? Like, was it like it belonged to them at one point? Or did they just want money? So here, I don't know. Well, Kim and his dad are not conspiracy theorists. I don't, Kemp.

Maybe that's why they didn't talk to me. Well, no, well, Kems, Kems in law enforcement. Okay. And I think,

I think he even said on my show, during that whole process, he really was awakened to the darker side of, of things. Yeah. But I don't think they were so far like I was. Yeah. So I don't,

I don't think I, I liked them a lot, so I wanted them to have them back on us. I was like, I'm going to keep it. Oh, their story's rat. I'm going to keep it elementary with these guys and not go too crazy on them.

Yeah. What do you think? I think they took the money and used it for black projects and possible funding of highly unacceptable things. Wow. Do they have an idea of what that gold was? Like, was it just deposited there and lost treasure? It was gold from the Confederates. They stashed it there because the Gettysburg was going on, I think, and they were going up around Gettysburg and trying to get the Philly. They stashed it there, but they said that there's another stash in Pennsylvania that is still, and there's some of it that they haven't said on my shirt. show and they said they were going to say the second time, I don't want to spoil it. Basically, there's another stash of gold, or not gold. It's not gold. It might be gold. I think it's gold,

silver, and lots of guns, cannons that they stashed in, I think, northern Pennsylvania. And if the Confederates got up to that stash, it would have changed the whole war. And so, yeah. And, and, and they, I think they, they know where it's at. I think they've seen it. And it's just, they're, there, so I'm like, oh, there's treasure next door. Let's go dig it up now. They're like, well, we got to do the paperwork. I'm like, what, paper? No, let's just go.

We're out. But they're proper. They do it properly. But I wanted to say with them, though, they used a psychic to find it. Did they? Yes. And I didn't know this until I sat down and talked to them.

So, yeah. So they, they, so Kemp's dad back in, I don't know how long ago, it was a long time ago, like, like, I think maybe before Kemp was even born. Kemsar age. Let's say back in the 70s. His dad was working a department store in Pennsylvania, no name Pennsylvania, wherever they're from. And a psychic came in and was doing like his psychic stuff

as like an entertainment thing. And he didn't believe any of it. And he at the time had a magazine and it was a newspaper and was talking about the local treasure and that's what he was reading it about. And so he's standing there, disbelief, whatever, whatever. And then the psychic says, basically says, give me your map or whatever it is.

And he said the psychic, raised a pen up in the air, close his eyes, and slams it down on this map. Circles it, he's like, that's where your treasure's at. Wow.

And then he's like, he's like, you're going to look for this landmark, this landmark, this landmark, this landmark. And he goes, and he's like, this guy's full of it.

But when he goes, he starts finding these landmarks. Wow. And the last landmark he couldn't find. And he gave up for years. Wow. Fast forward,

Kems an adult. and Kem revives the hunt. And there was something that was missing or that they overlooked. But they wound up finding the location. They found the cavern that they crawled through and everything. And it was real Indiana Jones stuff right in Pennsylvania. And almost made me not move. Right.

Almost. I'd be on some gold. Yeah. But there's a lot of gold here too, I believe. If there's somewhere to hide treasure, these mountains are a great spot for that. I don't think it's in the tourist traps. You know, like Washington, Georgia, I wouldn't say it's a tourist trap. but when it's known for this story,

probably not there. And I think I say this in the book, like if it does go there, they planted it. Oh. I think it's planted. Like I think a lot of people are looking for fame through finding gold in a story

that's been going on forever. Like a lot of people I met down there are really trying hard to be like these reality stars and do these like very kind of like half scripted shows where they're looking for gold. but I think they plant stuff. I really do. I could be wrong.

That's just my gut says that. Not everyone. I mean, planting definitely could be possible. I know the Pennsylvania boys, the story behind it, I'll send you the episodes like 300-something. For some reason, I want to say 392. Somebody fact-check me. Get back to me when the show airs.

Yeah, it's a really good, entertaining story that they have to share. And I love treasure hunting. I'm not a treasure hunter. want to be one day when I grow up. But, you know, right now I'm hunting monsters. But one day when I get old and I can't do that, I'll hunt treasure. You're in a noble cause right now. Yeah. I'll take care of the monsters. Then you'll get your gold. Yeah, we got to find the portal, jump through the portal, find the dog, man, drag them back. Well, wrap them up, drag him back. And then we'll go hunt

gold. And get the treasure. So there's another treasure that we are lining up to hunt, though. me and some of my other guys and some friends that I have, the one friend that I have in North Carolina who brought it to my attention. But there is, there is, so in Missouri, or let's just put this way, the Missouri River used to flow a different pattern. Rivers change over time. And over the years, ships go down in these rivers all the time. And then the river shifted.

And so these ships now are actually buried underground. And they're perfectly preserved. One was dug up in the 80s. And it had, the ship wasn't perfectly preserved, but the products that were on it. And I think it was like a jarred fruit or something like that. And it literally was perfectly preserved because of the way the mud or something like that. I don't know. But every year, once a time, one time a year, they opened up a jar, this family that opened it and eat this like 200-year-old fruit.

incredible. But from that one find, they got massively rich. I mean, generational wealth. And they drew out a map of all these other locations where the first time they went looking, they found a ship.

They documented where these shipwrecks were. They documented where the river used to flow and pinpointed it. And the first time they went looking, they're like, there's a ship right there. And they dug it up. They never felt the need to go look for the other ships. And just like one's one's good for me.

Yeah, and we might have access to that map. Or a one ship, yeah, and I'm just like, yeah. I'm like, yo. We're good. We're good. We got, if we got this map, we're going.

Yeah. And we're digging it all. Yeah. What's that? I remember that movie. Maybe holes with the Shadler left where they find the preserved fruit in the boat. It's a whole thing.

Oh, weird. But that was before he was scarred publicly. Isn't there a similar story about Oak Island as well? Something like that. Ships and looking for gold. So Christian, the editor for Expedition Dogman, was on that TV show. He's a treasure hunter. Okay.

Yeah. And he actually, in my mind, cracked an old ancient treasure story legend in Texas. And next time he's here, we're going to sit down and record about it. We were going to do it last time, but we didn't have time. Like native gold? No, no. This is like in a wagon type gold at the bottom of a, the lake. Oh, cool. And he's a diver. He comes from a family of divers. Um, interesting. But,

uh, it's called Sunkin Silver is the docu series. We're going to release it on Merkel Media. Oh, great. Yeah. That's awesome. So, um, look forward to that. Shameless plug. It's my freaking show. I'll do what I want. That's right. But, um, yeah, I'm just, I'm fascinated by, by treasure. Um, when I was a kid, I remember, uh, my mom, I hate, I hate even saying this because I, I, I view things that are really old as treasure. Okay? So it doesn't have to be gold, right? And my mom when I was a kid, when she was a kid,

she grew up not far from where I grew up in Coots Town, Pennsylvania. Actually, we were more, we were on the outside of Cootsdam, Pennsylvania, a big trailer park, Highland State's trailer park. Anybody listening from Highland States? Can shoot me an email. Shout out. Shout out to Highland State's trailer park. That'd be awesome if you hear someone from.

I know, right? I still remember my old address, 78, Daniel Roe. road east. I'm going to say right now that that person's listening to this show. That would be amazing. That would be amazing. I know the trailer's not there anymore because when we went out trailer, they're like, uh, that's duct tape mostly. We are burning that. But um anyways, so my mom grew up in that area and when she was a kid on her father's property, they would find like arrowheads all over the place. Yeah. And so she had a box of the stuff. And she, I remember her giving me a few of them. And I went out in our front yard of the trailer and there's a tree there.

And I don't know if you ever saw this, but it was real popular when I was growing up. And people would take a big tractor tires, fill it with dirt and have a tree grow out of it. And so, yeah. And so that was in my front yard. It was a big tractor tire with dirt filled in and a tree growing out. Oh, I dug a hole and I put the arrowheads in there with my false gold. As you do. And I buried it. And I left it there. I left it. there. We gotta go find it. Right? Last time I was in Pennsylvania in November for my sister's wedding,

I wanted to go into the old trailer park and show my son where I grew up, but it just wasn't enough time, so maybe on another trip. But I'm pretty sure that tree's not there anymore last I checked. But here's the thing that's frustrating is that I see people who, you know, walk around,

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Use code confessional 60 for 60% off plus free shipping. Go check it out right now. I grew up on this farm in New York that's owned by West Point, like the United States Military Academy. We were the only civilians that lived in that area. Well, in West Point. but my parents were coaches, our coaches for the equestrian team, so for like horse riding and stuff.

So we had, it was like this old estate that West Point bought and my parents just lived there. And, you know, I grew up with no neighbors in the middle of nowhere. It was great. I was a little ashamed of it as a kid because there was just like no one else

was living this kind of life. I'm in the middle of nowhere in this old house with a bunch of horses and woods and like, I have like no friends. Right. But I would find stuff all the time. old Civil War bullets,

Revolutionary War bullets. In New York. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because West Point was, you know, George Washington created it to be the outpost

to get the British. They pulled the giant chain across the bottleneck of the Hudson right there to stop the ships. I actually never came. And that's, you know, Benedict Arnold and everything happened there.

So it was a cool place to grow up and we would find treasure quite often. And Indian stuff, for sure. It was a great and strange place. I never found stuff like that in Indiana. But I, I agree with you about old stuff was treasure.

And this, like, my whole jumping off point for how I became interested in anything like this was Roanoke Island. And I talked to my parents and take me to every colony for vacation. How old were you? 11, 10, maybe. How'd you get into it that age? I just remember, so I like, I've always had a problem with, like, school, right? But just remember this, you know, you're sitting there face in your hand. And you're tuning out and they're like, in this colony, and then everybody disappeared.

go on and I guess delusions of grandeur like my parents took me there and I was like I'm going to solve this I'm going to be the that's awesome I was like walking around

like there if you've never been they do like this play on the island and like that's where Andy Griffith got his start actually was playing Sir Walter Raleigh in the play and

the best references to stuff like I know I'm like a I'm like a talking about John Ritter this morning you're like, you're talking about the airport. But no,

I, like, like, you have to walk down into this giant amphitheater to do it, or to watch it. And I remember,

like, clear his day going down the stairs. It had like a wooden fence with lights lighting up the trees so that you could see. And I was looking through it. I'm going to find clues. I was like,

checking every tree to see if it said crow tone. Like, this sounds very similar to how I did the last book on it. Yeah. Like, I was like, I'm going to solve it somewhere. leaving. I was like, but I didn't solve it yet, Mom.

Oh, my. And like, everything in the museum was like, look, I found this and they're like, well, somebody else found it. I was like, yeah, but I found it too. Yeah, yeah, of course. It doesn't mean I didn't find it, mom. That's, that's awesome that your parents did that for you with that age. Oh, yeah. And they were just like, as long as like, it's not video games.

Yeah, I'm going to remember that for me. It's not perfect dark. It's not. Yeah. He's really obsessed with this for some reason. Imagination in a child is the best gift. That's the treasure for me. Yeah. Wow. That's my wholesome remark of the day. Yeah. Can you put like a nice sun behind me rising?

Shane, you're one of those people that whenever I talk to you, you say things like that and I'm just like, I got to be a better dad. Dude, I got many flaws. I got many flaws. But you're so poet. You're such a poetic person. Like you look at life in a very beautiful way. I should be right.

You should be right. I appreciate that. I have to. I'm like on the fence with it. Stop pursuing acting. You know, your TV for you, reality shows? I just, yeah, the children are, like, amazing. I mean, it's just, like we were talking about earlier when you first see their faces and,

you know, everything changes, you know. Not saying people aren't inspired and in love with the world, but that was a big shift for me. And they're a huge source of information and imagination to me has just always been everything, you know, for me. Probably because of the woods growing up, you know, in the middle of nowhere, having no friends and go out and make your own friends. I remember So I remember walking through

So with the big trailer park we had There was a stretch of woods That came into the trailer park And as kids would go into that stretch of woods And then go deep into the woods And we would drag wood back there And we were building tree houses I fell out of a tree house

Landed on nail with my foot And they had to carry me out Bloody sock It was probably It probably felt worse than what it was But like I remember it went through And I pulled my foot out And my soak was just dripped

My sock was dripping with blood I can feel that Yeah, it was right in my heel. Oh, on the heel. Yeah. We had a pulley system. So you would sit in a rope and you'd pull yourself up and I lost it and went, and I lay it on my feet.

I was like, I'm good. No, not. Delay. But anyway, so I remember walking through the woods, though, by myself, because sometimes I wasn't the most popular kids. So sometimes, depending on how the kids' moods were, if they liked me or not that day. So there was plenty of days I was by myself.

Yeah. And walking into the woods. And I would walk into the woods and I would just feel, like I'm entering another realm almost as an adult describing that now. I didn't have those words then. But I always felt like when I was walking into the woods, I was walking into almost like a magical place. And I wasn't sure what was looking at me and maybe following me. And I was, you know, looking into the topic of big, not looking into, but I heard of the Bigfoot. And, you know, I didn't know much about it, but I was like, oh my gosh, what if this is this creature is here? And, you know,

that whole sense of wonder is something that's always kind of pushed me throughout my life, you know? And when I was in my mid-20s is when I started really starting to look at Bigfoot again. And for the last, wow, it's been in 12 years. I think I started when I was 25 looking at Bigfoot. Oh, my gosh. It's incredible. It's funny because, like, I have it. I love the idea of Bigfoot.

It's just something I just haven't gotten into that far yet. I think we've talked about it quite a bit. And we should again. Just all of my co-workers dismay. Both you guys talk about it, but like I've also, like the woods as like this dark organism's always been really interesting to me. Because it's like you said, there's like a fear and beauty out there. And that was probably the first place I experienced true fear and love in the woods because it's completely beautiful. But when the sun starts to go down and it's darker in the woods first, you can see the light far ahead.

It is incredible. You know, and I would just be like out there by myself, you know, sometimes with a horse of mine, you know, just just, just, just, just, riding around and finding bones and all that good stuff. How far were you from the cat skills? That's probably like an hour. I'm an hour south, an hour and a half south. Okay. Depending.

They're kind of a big area, but yeah, it's up there. Gotcha. That's some interesting. There's Bigfoot up there. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. It's funny, we never really talked about Bigfoot growing up. It was mostly like...

Horses. Horse men. No. They're real. Those are real, actually. This is why I came down here. I wanted to tell you guys about the horseman from my childhood. No, no, it was like ghosts and aliens.

Yeah, exactly. That's the sequel. Yeah. But no, the woods are like this, I forget who said this. It was either, I think it was Nathaniel Hawthorne. He called them like this dark cathedral. And there's Nathaniel Hawthorne, do you ever read Hawthorne? I love Hawthorne.

He was the descendant of one of the judges that hanged. Was he, did they hang the witches? Yeah, they didn't burn the witches and say on. They hang them. So his great, great-great-grandfather. was one of those judges in Salem for the witches. And when Nathaniel grew up and became a writer, he changed his last name because he was so ashamed of all of this.

Really? Yeah. And just like by one letter, though, I think. And then he wrote these like just terrifying early, I'd say, 18th century or 19th century short stories, probably 19th century. But young Goodman Brown is one of my favorite short stories. And it's actually horrific. And it's just a guy walking into the woods and he meets the devil.

And it's the scary, It's one of the scariest stories, I think. The way he talks about it, it's not like... Is this a real account? No, no, no. It's a short story. But maybe it's based on something. I think it is.

Because, I mean, he is a descendant of the people with the witches, you know? And it is like this New England weird, puritanical society that he's dealing with in that story. But there, yeah, there's witches and like this Satan type character. And it's beautiful, but it's a horrific, terrifying story. So that's what I always thought about when I was in the woods. Yeah. Yep, and that's why he's a writer these days. I have trauma.

Wow. Yeah, I've always been fascinated by it. I remember when we were kids, I distinctly remember it was a snow day. And it was maybe the blizzard of 96 or 93, one of the two. And we were building these really big forts that were complex, like layers, you know, like, here's the tunnel you go in. You got to go up to this spot and all that. And I remember the kids were like, there's a were. there's a werewolf.

I'm like, what? Because I'm already like, Bigfoot's for sure real. You know? Now we got werewolves? Yeah. And I crawl out of this thing,

and they're all freaking out and pointing up into this little piece of woods that were there behind the trailers. And I freak out, and I just book it, and I start running. And I probably ran a good distance, and all of a sudden I hear laughing.

And I look back, the kids are laughing at me. They're like, you're so gullible. And I was like, you win. I'm going to be. be a podcast for one day. And you're going to prove those kids wrong because you're going to find that monster.

Absolutely. You're going to like show them. Maybe this is like the deep-seated beginning of how all this started for me. This is coming into turning to a therapy session. Thank you guys. We got him row and oak out of the way. You know what's up with you and your monsters.

I'm going to start crying soon. This is perfect. My kind of day. I don't think I've ever even told that story because there's not much of a story too, but I do remember that I was freaked out because they were all screaming. and they organized it to freak me out.

And that's because I was the whipping boy all the time. I was like that a lot too, like not having a lot of friends. I did have friends at school growing up, but like they would just constantly rag on me. I was super skinny. I had buck teeth and a mullet. I was civilian. They're all military.

I remember them like in like middle school making fun of me. Because I just wanted friends. I just want. I'll just, and at that point like fourth, fifth grade, I'd say anything. Yeah,

yeah, I love that. And these kids all banded together to say there was a band called Macedon and asked me if I liked it. And I said, yeah, I love that band. Massadon didn't exist.

yet. I would later grow up to be like a huge mastodone. A huge massadown thing. You people. I love Massadena. I'll show you it will exist. I'm a time traveling. But yeah, no, kids are cruel. But in a, but in a way, like, I'd prefer it. I think there's something, unfortunately, to experiencing some type of, you know, not only say violence, but bullying. Yeah. Look what it does to you. Can I get a little bit of credit, though, for coming up with a really cool fake band name? Which, wait, which is. Mastodon. Like a bit of a bit of a bit. Yeah. Can they like one up for me? You know, I will give him credit. That was a great band name.

Yeah. It's sort of like, oh, who is it? Who is it? There's a band I know. They're really great. They open for STP on time, but they started their band as a joke. Like, they're like,

we're going to make fun of these band kids. And they're still doing it to this day. Yeah, yeah, wow. That's hilarious. But no, it's a joke.

Like Beck? Beck. I love Beck. The loser? He wrote as a joke. Yeah. Great song. Later, we'll get to Wesley's impersonations of all these things.

No, no, no. I don't do Beck. No, But there's something to that kind of friction growing up, whether it's in the forest, you know, meeting like something existential because it's dark or kids making fun of you. Because early on you learn, like, life's not easy. And maybe some of us, like the guys sitting at this table are so interested in why it's not easy that we just make a career out of it. And we investigate the things that scare you, you know, things that scared us as children.

Because there are certainly monsters in this world. Yeah. Absolutely. Some of them human. A lot of them are human. Yeah, I'm just saying, that's a lot of them. There's a lot. Yeah.

Over under, human monsters versus monsters that come through portals. How many? Which one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's probably more human monsters. I want to tell you, I had interaction with this guy. His name's Burke.

And this is kind of going back on the treasure hunting thing, but I think it's really interesting. I'm hoping he comes on the show. He said he would, but right now he's in the middle of a treasure hunt. And last time I checked him with him, I said, how's it going out there? her back and he hasn't seen it yet on Instagram. So hopefully he's still around. But Burke, if you're listening, we're burnt for you, we are rude for you, brother. So here's a thing, though, like there's nothing even a root for in the sense that they found treasure, which is absolutely amazing. It's a Netflix series called Pirates Gold of ADAC. And I stumbled upon it.

I mentioned it in like a day. I was like, produce audio or watch Treasure. You know, I was just like, I'll just stay late and produce audio later tonight. You know, sorry, kids, you'll see Daddy tomorrow. But I'm telling you, man, like, it's a really, I'm a sucker for this stuff to begin with, so I don't know if it's a good show or not. But I thought it was great. And it's an island that was used by the military during World War II. And they, and I'm drawing a blank, and I'm actually ashamed of this, I'm drawing a blank how this,

oh, now I remember. before that, this was an island that was rumored to possibly have Pirates gold on it from a legendary pirate. Is this America? It's right below Alaska. So I think it's part of Alaska. Oh, interesting. And then during World War II, the military went onto the island and they set up as a base. And it was a place where actually it came under attack from the Japanese apparently, or at least they were a,

afraid of that. Well, they did find Japanese artillery there, so I guess they were there, but they booby trapped the island. They were very worried that Japanese would come on. And so they do construction. They're setting up barracks and all this stuff. And while they

are digging a trench for one of these buildings, it's reported that a man was digging and he dug up a can and it had all these gold coins in it. And the legend was that this pirate buried his gold coins in cans and jars of empty milk jars.

And so, and there's a picture of this guy holding these coins on the island. So they're like, okay, so unless it's an elaborate hoax from a long time ago, like this actually happened, which means there's probably more of this. And I think one other person found stuff, real small stuff, but nothing. But they did a lot of construction on that island. And as the show goes on, they're looking at these different locations. they finally are in the last location, like, it's got

to be here. And so they're looking around, they can't find it. And all of a sudden they realize this hill that they're on is flat on top because it was excavated. I'm losing my voice, by the way. It was excavated and they're like, well, where'd the dirt

go? So they go through all the records and they find out that they dump the dirt on the other side of the island in this area. So they go over there, they're looking around and stuff, And night falls and the winter's coming in. So they're trying to hurry up and stuff. They're like, we didn't find it today.

There's a storm coming in. Tomorrow morning we might be able to get out here again. If not, search is over for the season kind of thing. So they go back at night to sleep and see what happens with the storm coming in. And Burke and his buddy, I think his name's Jay, they grew up together, I think on the island back in the day when residents were there. they're like dude you want to pulling all-nighter and he's like that's what you do heck yeah bro so they got lights out and stuff and they're looking all over the area and they found a rock a big rock and they're getting a hit of strong hit for gold and they hook up chains to the rock they pull the rock back

they find a gold coin underneath the rock incredible and uh they they they're like this i mean i'm jumping i'm like yeah the lady's next door in the hair salon like what it's going on over there I was like, it's not a goal. It's okay. It's like, I was so excited because I told Burke, because I talked to him a little bit. And I said, Burke, like, nobody ever finds gold on these shows, man. Right. Like, this show should be huge because you guys found the gold.

Right. And so the next day, they bring the rest of the team out and they start looking around in this area more and they find some more gold coins up to a gate that says no trespassing because it's one. it's like the last spot on the island where they have not diffused all the in-ground bombs, booby traps. So they literally can't go beyond the gate or they'll get blown up. So, and the gold

was leading up to that gate. So in the second season, which I'm thinking they're filming now, I don't know what they're doing. But they got to defuse those bombs first, I guess, and then searcher to gold. But man. Is this the same?

Like, I watched something. think this was a while back where there it was two people working in the construction who decided we're doing this now instead like i think so okay and it there were two brothers no they're friends okay that were and they're developing and then decided we're looking for this no no that's that's oak island yeah i love that kind of stuff and that's what goes to show you like what very similar stories Very similar. With the construction. Yeah.

Don't stop. If you feel like you need to go out and do that all-nighter, do the all-nighter. Got to put in that work. Don't just be like, maybe, I've learned like procrastinating. No. It'll kill you. Yeah. It will kill you.

How many times have you procrastinated in life on something where you're just like, I'll get it tomorrow and all of a sudden something happens and the opportunity is going? I wrote two books in a year and I still procrastinate every day. Like, I, it's, I'm, it's never enough. Cold's sleeping. Never enough. I don't, yeah. You're allowed to do that.

I don't know. If I look like, I look, I haven't, I haven't slept in two weeks right now. And I feel it. Like, I feel like my ghoul, you know, my face is falling off. I'm like, oh, my goodness. But it's like, I'll know I'll get some rest eventually. But I need to work now because if I don't work now, it'll be gone. Not, not the job, but like just the story.

Yeah. So I got to get the story while it's alive. Like, they got the goal. Yeah, absolutely. I love that. Deadlines are a beautiful thing. You know, if you have a deadline, even if it's a self-imposed one, it could work in your-self. Self-imposed deadlines are the best deadlines because if nothing else, it does teach you discipline. If you can say, I have a self-imposed deadline and you stuck to it, it just another check in the discipline category. And before you know, it, it's just second nature. That was for me. I mean, like, honestly, like, I'm a freaking sidework now. Like, I really am. I don't know how else to describe myself. Like, I'm just a robot at this point. Like, I have a real groove.

I just go. I don't, it's like the idea of putting something off to tomorrow isn't it. It doesn't even fit. It doesn't cross my mind. Yeah. That wasn't always like that, though. Yeah. Same.

Unless there's a pirate gold documentary. Yeah. Well, no, I just put it off. Technically were. Listen, it technically definitely work. Yeah, because this is going to be a future guest. Okay. So, back off.

It's research. It's research. Oh, oh, we pinched her. No, but I did work later that night, sucker. But no, I don't even know what's going. No, if you're slandered me. Deadlines are good. And I think you should beat yourself up

and you don't hit yourself-imposed deadlines because then you've got to apply that pressure. Yeah. Because you could just be angry forever when you're procrastinating. You're not getting anything done. You know, even if you have, if we're driving trucks,

if you're moving furniture, if we're working wherever, you know, you can still make that time the end of the day. It's really kind of like a balance against from as well because you don't want to if like what we do like you can't rush something either. Yeah. Like it's about finding right in the middle of like don't over, don't try to get this done before for arbitrary reasons.

Make sure what you're doing is is right. Yeah. But also don't be ill usually. Right. You know, don't be like, it's threading a needle. It is.

I was thinking about what we were saying on the plane. You were laughing while you were writing your jokes. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sitting there. writing about like the most horrible things. Yeah. And then yeah,

it's true, but I also don't have to write as consistently as you do. Like you're writing full on things every week. I'm a binge writer where I'm taking notes every day. I'm researching and then like I'll do three weeks of just no sleeping and writing and researching and interviewing. And then I get to like chill for a week or two. So it's different.

I love to do a trading places with you. Actually, that would be hilarious. It would be, oh my God, I want to see a. You want to do it right now? Nobody wants that plate.

Oh my gosh. We'll revisit this in like three weeks and see how everyone feels. I mean, because right now, I mean, we're talking to you, Shane, and we're in between part one and part two of the article. And so you're about to drop some more heaters. And right now, like literally, like, for me, having you guys come in today, it was just this was not planned to be like this timing wise, you know? Like, because I was seeing myself like, in all honesty,

you're coming down and I saw the drama pop in, off and I'm like freaking A man like sorry like I like no it's not you it's just like I don't want to be part of the yeah I mean and so it's just like it's why I'm kind of glad I have the next like four or five weeks of shows scheduled because it'll be like they'll come for you I'm sure they will right just for just for talking to you sorry but hopefully it's it's simmered down by then but I mean that's what I was thinking I was like dang like I don't want like I just I wanted to talk I wanted to I wanted to bring my friend in the studio talk about his his podcast and talk about paranormal experience gold hunting,

Atlantis and all that stuff. And over time, I was thinking, we'll dive in on the yay thing because all that, but like, this is just another repeat. Let me say this, though,

because I don't want to talk about it all too much yet because it's not allowed. But what my goal is for this is that I am going to create a blueprint for us to not worry about these things ever again. And that seems vague and it will make sense later. Okay.

But there is a way that we are going to destroy all this bullshit. And when you say this is what? Just the wave of hate that doesn't make any sense to people. Amazing. That is my goal. I hope I do it. Well, we'll see.

Well, we'll come back in a week. He has been saying things like this for 12 hours. Like, bro, I don't want to oversell this. But I can't tell you anymore, but it's big. I'm like, a part of the CIA. I mean, it's not even, I don't even know that. I mean, I can say, that's all theory. But there's just, there's just dark people out there.

And there's so much chaos. And there's no reason to, I think, hate on. anyone, even if they've lied. So yeah, my goal is I just want to move forward and I could fail and I don't care because I truly believe that how I'm writing this and how I'm reporting on it to the best of my ability is just that's the only way I know how to do it. You know, just letting people talk, doing my best to research, doing the due diligence I can and the time frame I have and then laying it out for the people with all of my flaws exposed because we've all seen all of them on Twitter by other people. So I might as well put in my own story. But it's

important to me. So we'll see how it goes. And hopefully it makes sense to me in a few days. We'll see. Hopefully it makes sense to me in a few days. I have to finish. I have to finish writing most of it tonight and tomorrow. Yeah. And I have like a three hour drive tomorrow. So it'll be a lot of like Dale Cooper in the car, you know, talking into my audio recorder. It's magnet. You can fix it. Wait, you break my studio with my cheap mic stand. Oh, we see the kind of stuff you got here. You're exposing my cheapness. Oh, he got the good honey. Yeah, he has good honey.

He gave his great tea. He's a great host. Yeah, that's right. Boiled the water, had it overflow on the table. Hey, this table is actually a really, really old table. It was made by a local farmer.

Oh, cool. It was, I think it's close to 100 years old. The farmer's daughter, he passed away last year. And by looking at the table, she just reminded of her dad. And so I found it on Facebook Marketplace, and I went and picked it up.

And they said $200, and I was like, I don't think it's worth $200, but I'll take it because you're crying. And I took it. And then they sprung on me. And you got to take these chairs too. And it was like a dozen chairs. What kind? Do they match this?

So they said that he... This is, hopefully your audience is like, I don't care what kind of chairs, but this is the furniture mover. Yeah. And me is like, oh, what kind? It's a good story, actually. It's a good story, actually.

It actually pulls into the question of, is this story even real? They're like, you know, these chairs go with it too because he built those two. I'm like, okay. So I'm like, I didn't want them, but I threw them in the back of the trailer and okay, we'll take them. And we get them. We bring them here and stuff and setting things up. We flip it over. On the bottom of this, it said, what did it say?

It said, property of Wendy's. It was old Wendy's chairs. That's awesome. That's awesome. And so, like, he didn't build it. so did he build this table? I don't know. Maybe this came from when he's too. See, but it's a really nice Wendy's, right? It's a really nice Wendy's. It's the story that matters. Yeah. It's like I'm giving, you can't trust everything. Unfortunately, you know,

I'm one of the most skeptical people out there. It's hard for me to believe anything anymore. Yeah. But the story is what matters. Yeah. It says the writer trying to convince everyone that he's right. Well, I got rid of all the chairs except for three of them. That's awesome. They were ugly. Uh, I just sounds like, man, he is. He built those. I have so much stuff from dead people from working as a furniture mover because most of the people I moved furniture for it were dead. They would die, we'd clean out their house. The family didn't want anything.

So I went in a dumpster. I went to a box truck and we auctioned it off. So that's like 10 years of my life of just old houses in New York sifting through these belongings. It was awesome. But like seeing how everything we collect is worthless. Depending on how you raise your family. Because a lot of these families just wanted money. how much can I get for this?

I thought you're grieving. That's just not how I would grieve. Maybe people grieve differently. I'm not thinking about money when I'm grieving. I think, man, that was a beautiful life, you know? But a lot of people like that, they were kind of upper end type folks because they were like, who I wouldn't think of auctioning anything, I guess. The Hamptons. Yeah, it wasn't the Hamptons, no.

But it was like fake Hamptons, you know, but like in the Hudson Valley in New York, they wish they were Hamptons. They pretended the river was some type of beach. But, yeah, so I would. I would attach some type of sympathy to objects because people, some people were grieving for these things and or some people didn't care for these things and I felt bad for the object. I couldn't just throw it away when I was told to. I'll never forget my boss who was this. This is fascinating. He was a terrible man. This guy was terrible. He would pick up trash and then just walk to you past the trash can and put the trash in your hand for you to throw away.

I was like, one day I'm going to destroy this man. But he told me to throw away this, this beautiful, like, print. It was a Picasso print. So it wasn't original Picasso, but if you look at the dates and if we are to believe, you know, all this stuff that the dates said on the back, it would mean that it was like a print that was made while Picasso was alive in Paris. I love Picasso's. I love that kind of weird, you know, that abstract cubist artwork.

And this happened to be of owls, all different sketches of different owls, which I wanted for my kids. My boss just threw it away because I had a huge coffee stain on it. I'm like, no, that coffee stain makes it even better. I'm taking it out of the trash. It was a rainy day, too. So it still has some stains on it. We flattened it out.

We got a frame for it. And it's in my daughter's room today. It's like one of my favorite things, you know? And this guy is just like, it's trash. It's funny to talk about treasure. That was like 10 years of me just. seeking treasure that was literally meant to be trash or some things I might have pilfered because I was kind of like a pirate for 10 years.

Like I got a lot of books that I didn't want other people to have. So there's, I can't tell this story because it's sensitive. Good way to start. Yeah. I can't tell the story. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No. No, I'm instantly let down.

No, but I can't, and I honestly don't remember all the details, but I was told a story. about a guy from another guy that's been on the show and a lot of people know who he is but he a friend of his

was a mover I think in Hawaii that's an interesting place to move yeah and he was moving a dead person's stuff and this I forget the whole story

behind it but this person had had a bunch of historic artifacts in this house and nobody knew it was historic and they were throwing them away and like I'm talking like historic

as in the sense of like nobody should own these things like this is like like Smithsonian type level yep we're just getting like we're all getting hammer alerts Jackson Tennessee let's go now we got to record a podcast we're not that close to Jackson

all right all right but um Jackson but, museum quality. Yeah, I mean, we're talking like,

the government wants this stuff in their possession. Like, it should be illegal. It's like, I think, like he said it's, it's practically illegal.

I know, it is illegal to have possession of these things because this guy took the, the stuff, uh, back to another place. And he has it in a storage locker or some of some sort, but he can't do anything with it.

Because if he turns it over to the, the, the police or FBI. Like, there's, I, this, I shouldn't even start a story

because I don't have, but, um, and I actually think it's, it's best this way because my, my friend told me not to tell the story. He's like, we can't talk about this.

You told me you don't remember anything. No, uh, no, I think he said that the guy can't talk to me because he would get, he would get in big trouble. Uh, but basically,

long story short, he has really, like, just one piece of the, of this treasure. Wow. millions of dollars for just one piece. And he literally can't do anything with it. He's going to have to die with it in his possession for them to find it when he's dead. Because he can't,

like if he even, if he sells it, it's trackable. And they'll be able to find out who, it's, it's this weird thing. But he, and I think that now that thing about it, I think he accidentally stole. Like he didn't even know what he had at the time. Right. Something like that. So stop breaking my studio. What the heck? You're showing everybody how cheap I am, brother. No, I was kidding. Now, that story appeals to two sides of me. The treasure person and the anarchist who doesn't think the government should be able to own anything. I agree.

Well, yeah, I'm with you there, buddy. You're telling me illegal to own? Yeah. I remember when he was telling me the story, it was hard for me to wrap my brain around. It's like, wait, what? Like, huh? You know, but anytime I get to hear and sit and listen to a treasure story, I'm down for that action. Yeah.

So let's move to you, Wesley. Wow. Hello. I want to hear some spookies. So you have, so you, I don't think you care if I say what you told me about earlier, right? Okay. So you have a medical condition that causes seizures. And you, this is what he, when you were in your room checking in, him and I were talking about this. And this is what he said to me, when I have a seizure, I come back to a different person.

What? Every time I talk to this guy, he's got something like wild like that to say. I love it. And I'm like, I'm like, no, no, no, no, don't tell me. Wait until we start recording. So like, I don't know what the heck that's about. But you also said before we were just talking about what we're going to all talk about stuff, I put down seizures other side story. So go. You've been to the other side, I guess. That sounds very grandiose. But the way that I would describe it is so I do have seizures. I don't know what the exact root causes. I don't know the core of it, but I have something that causes my blood pressure to bottom out. It just completely bottoms out.

In fact, co-worker of ours had to help me for a few days because it just kept bottoming out. I wasn't losing consciousness, but I was getting very close and I was kind of freaked out. For a variety of reasons, a variety of pharmaceutical reasons. reasons. Feel me? I feel you, bro. But, no, I've always had this. And, you know, when I was going through the diagnosis process, there was a lot of, like, I asked my doctor, shout out to this doctor.

I don't want to say his name because I don't want to get attention on him, but he's a good guy. He's a really good guy. And I asked him about this and he said, you know, I'm not the person to talk to about that. about what was happening. And I ultimately landed on the conclusion that it was, you know, when they say when you die, like chemical, your brain releases chemicals that makes people think that they're having supernatural experiences. So I just went with that.

I was like, okay, it's my brain trying to process and I'm seeing or hearing. And the things that I'm experiencing during the seizure are not real. they're just something my brain is doing to cope or it's a misfire like a seizure is like your brain misfiring right and i don't believe that anymore like i don't and it wasn't until later like i remember i passed out one time as a kid and i when i came back i was like i went somewhere and i don't know where it was but i was somewhere and it was like the person that i am am here, I shed. And who I really am, who I really am at my core, which was so much more was who I was.

And then when I came back, it's so weird because it's like, I don't know how to, unless you've had one, unless you've had a seizure like that and come and woken up, it's like your entire consciousness is being sucked through a straw. It feels different. It's, I don't know. not to describe it. It's something that's hard to put into words. But when I came back, when I, everything came back. Every time I come back from a seizure, I'm only out for like two minutes, usually. But when I come back, it takes two or three minutes to remember everything.

Like, not what happened, but everything. It's like, I don't remember English. I'm hard rebooting, right? It's like all the software is reloading. And I had a, so the one I mentioned where I, it was the first time I was like, okay, that was a weird dream. And then I had another one where I was with a friend. I was in high school. And I sat on the couch. And all I remember is sitting on the couch and then him holding me, like up from the floor. And I looked at him.

He never looked at him. I was like, what happened? First, I didn't recognize him, right? And then he, I asked him what happened. And he said, he sat on the couch and he sat there for about five minutes and didn't move. I said, what? He was, you just sat there. And suddenly you fell forward on the floor and started flopping like a fish.

I was like, what? Like, what? And he said, and I tried to stop you. He said, and you brought your head down so hard on my hand that I had to recoil. And I was like, so I was thrashing pretty hard. Wow. And so we said, so I, that's, and then I woke up and he was cradling me so that I wouldn't hit my head on the ground.

And then, you know, it became like a parlor trick that my friends were like, let's see if we can make you pass out and have a seizure. What? Yeah, because it's external, what I have is something that, it's something outside of me that causes my blood pressure drops. Like a sensory thing? Yeah. And so they would try to scare me into it.

And I was like, guys, this isn't funny. How old are you at this point? 16 or 17. Wow. That sounds about right for 16, 17-year-old boys. Except we were doing like the chokehold thing. Yeah. This is something way more.

Yeah, you should say that. Because that's how they did it. Right. Oh, wow. And it didn't. Nothing happened. Oh, wow. Nothing.

In fact, the guy who did that, his name's Bobby. Super great guy, but he wanted to see that. But then a couple of things happened, but they were never a major. Flash forward, it's January of 2020. And, like, I'm starting to see through the matrix, you know, like, I'm already politically red-pelled, but I'm not necessarily spiritually red-theled. I'm somebody who's always been a Christian, but never really, like, alive in my faith. But then I'm helping a coworker, and she's a wonderful woman, removing a desk. I'm in Atlantic City, New Jersey, just before everything.

shuts down. And I'm in a mess. I was engaged shortly before that. And I'm just in the darkest place I've ever been in my entire life. Like, really considering suicide. Like, I was far away from my family with nobody and I'd call my mom and be like, I'm trying not to do this. And so I'm at work and I'm just barely getting by and I'm putting this face on because I work in a corporate environment and so we're moving just moving this desk i'm just barely getting through every day and something happens that causes my blood pressure to drop and we're carrying the desk i dropped the desk the desk breaks falls under her i fall into the desk and then i start having a seizure right there well she doesn't know what to do she's standing there frozen wow and i left and what i saw

like it's oh i can't put it into words it's like a plet plasma world. A color is there? Yes, but it's, it's, you're not perceiving it's not eyes, it's not ears. I don't know how to describe it. It's like you're in a, um, uh, it's pure energy. Like you're part of the plasma or observing it. Wow.

But it's just pure energy. And I don't know, you know, I'm, and this is the best look at it that I've ever had. And there are things there that are not people. And I don't feel like people when I'm there. And that's the last time. January 2020. January 2020. Wow.

And then it felt like forever. Like I felt like I was there forever. And then I came back and ever since then, like that felt so real that this doesn't feel real sometimes, right? Oh, yeah. And it's like, even then I was like, well, that was weird, you know, like, but because you're, I don't want to, I don't want to go there mentally. It's just like, hmm, it was weird. But I still wasn't, but that was what pushed me. It's like, okay, I need to get back in the Bible. Because that didn't feel necessarily positive or negative. If I'm on that, if I'm close to that, I wanted to feel really positive, right? Like, I want to be going in the right direction. I don't want to be like past the light into the dark. Like, that's what I was afraid of. And I don't even know right now what it was. I don't think I'm an expert or because I've seen something. In a theory?

No. Like I don't know. I just know that I felt it. I just know that I saw it. And when I, you know, eventually would learn about what Terence McKenna would talk about with machine nails and things like that. Like I, that sounds not good. I hope that's not where I was. You know, if I was going somewhere.

This sounds different than I think those descriptions of mission. the machine else world, doesn't it? Sort of. Plasma? Well, no, I'm talking about what I saw. Oh, yeah, okay. Like, what my brain is interpreting as just, like, energy, moving energy in fractals. Right.

And, like, but it felt. What the, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no. No, I want to hear what you're saying. It felt what? It felt like the term that they use ego death was, when I heard that, I was like, yep, that's it. Like, that's what I felt.

It was like I, it was like levels, parts of me, parts of who I am here, we're stripping off. Is that peaceful? Is ego death, do you describe that as peaceful? I don't know if that's what it actually is. But when they, when they talk about that, that's what my brain. It clicks. Yes. And it's like, whoa.

Okay. So I went somewhere and I don't, at the time, it feels peaceful. But when I come back, I don't feel like I was happy to be there. Right. I don't know what it was. I don't want to be like, oh, I saw, I died for a minute. I don't, I don't, I didn't. Yeah.

But I was gone and I don't know. I don't know. That is wild. I don't know. And that's why I'm where I am with everything. That's why when, you know, I hear anything, I'm not like, well, I'm not going to immediately discount that. Yeah. Because I did not corroborate this in it way other than it's 100% real to me.

Did that give you some type of hope after that? Because you were going through such depression? Absolutely. it wasn't necessarily that gave me help but it turned my direction it turned my focus back to what i needed to be on which was uh my faith with like and larger questions and how unimportant the things that i'm that are destroying me here really are yeah and that there's a uh an eternity that i need to be worried about and there is like like ever since then the words that whenever I'm down, the words that I think, and this may be, you know, a lot of people have their scriptures that they go to, and they're usually very motivational, you know, but the one that always strikes me is, like, kingdom comes, they will be done. And it's like, that is, he is the mission. You know, what your mission is my mission. And if I think that way, then all of the things that go wrong in a day that gets you down and make you mad at your dog and, and, and, and, you know,

And if you frustrated with your coworkers or your neighbor, whatever, it doesn't matter. It does. Those things do matter. But are you going to let those control the way that you handle yourself as a person? No. This is like one of those beautiful life lessons that people should hear where you've turned something that should be a negative for most people, a terrible seizure, all this stuff, and you've learned something from it. And now you've made it some type of armor against the world with your faith. I mean, that's a way of looking at it.

I don't know. It's more just like a reminder, you know, and it hasn't happened. Well, this is what I mean, though. Like, it seemed when I've been that depressed and have like those times too, and for various reasons. But it's typically because it's like I'm so ingrained in the material world of like not making the money, not having the job, not being in the house, not having the family, all these things.

and that experience, like you said, shows you like, there's an eternity you should be worried about. And we need to, like, shed away the material shit. We were talking earlier. Is it okay to mention when you were talking about your experience with the witch? Oh, yeah. And how you shut down from the Bible, right? It wasn't a willful thing.

It was literally, I believe he attached demonic entities to me that interfered in my spiritual walk. But it's interesting that those things that when you, what am I trying to say? When you shut down the word, it makes room for other things. And when you are in the word, there is no room for those things. Like we have said to each other a lot today, I'm not a perfect person or I'm not a good person, you know,

but I have Jesus, right? and that's 100% how I feel. I'm always worried that people hear us as Christians and think that we're sanctimonious or holier than now. But what it really is to me is that I know that if I'm in the Word, the things that plague me, we all have our own personal demons. If I'm in the Word, they don't get my time. And I know that I have personal things that are my problem,

that I battle every day but if I'm in the word those things don't occur to me right um it's that's like such a haunting and beautiful story

like I'm sorry it makes me feel like like it's not something I tell a lot of people that and like I'll say like no no nothing about that because you just don't open that right

because sometimes talking about it diminishes it yeah yeah I think you're right and like if you talk about it at the time it becomes your thing yeah and then Well, perfect analogy, it is when I started having seizures, it became my thing that people

wanted to see. And I didn't, you know, like, want that. I didn't want to beat a guy. I was like, oh, if you scare him, he might pass out and have seizures. Like, I don't want that with this either. And I don't know whether it's good or bad. I don't know whether the things that I've diagnosed it as are that. Maybe it is my brain, like processing it and you see light and what.

Maybe it is. And maybe I'm scared to know the truth. what did I get from it, a much better path in my life. And that ultimately is what I care about, not like I'm some person who's experienced the other stuff. I don't know that I have, but what I experienced made me sure that there is one and that I needed to get right with my maker, you know, and that it was at least a sign, not a sign, but it was at least a moment that changed the worst trajectory I was on in my entire life.

Incredible. incredible. Incredible. And it got me. And from that point on, I left New Jersey. I left that part of my life. I'm now like living my dream as we've talked to that. If not, if I'm about to say something, you don't want to tell this story, that's fine. But if I just say patient zero. Oh, yeah. That's, dude, this. I told him, yeah. I destroyed New Jersey. Sorry about that New Jersey. Oh, yeah. That's right. That's right. Before you tell that story, I just want to let you guys know, your camera stopped working. I ran out space my SD code. So if I do, if I do produce this on video. We both look like zombies. If I do make this on video, it'll just be the show art one for the rest of the time here. Just us going. Yeah.

I got to fix this. I'm working on. I'm trying to become a YouTuber. You're doing great. Nah. No, this is amazing. But, um, uh, patient zero. Okay.

So I worked at, I'm not going to say what, um, resort in Atlantic City. A resort. A really big one. It has multiple buildings. and I was working for a technology company that... Say it. No. No, I was working for a technology company.

This place will blow up all of a sudden. Probably. ...owned by a well-known conglomerate named after the art of scrying. But they sent me to Vegas. I was in Vegas, Jr., to train. Actually, there's a lot more to it that I'll tell you all fair. but they sent me there to train because I was taking over a network director role for the for the property. Funny story.

Like they had their internet was down in their entire event space for over a year. And they're like, we can't figure it out. We've got all of these like IT experts and we think that we have to drill like 10 feet underground to check the fiber optic cables. I went in. And they're like, what do you want? I said $30,000. It's like, I own $30,000. And they're like, wait, what?

I was like, yeah, and they go. Okay. Are you serious? I never got it. This was four days before. Oh, no. So they agreed and then, oh, I've been a nice payday. Yeah, we've been great.

But not, yeah, it wasn't just like one flat right. I was like, I want my salary because I was switching to that job and they're like, well, what do you want? And like, I had already put together an entire report. of like once I fix this, once he fixed this, what is the, and so it wasn't that big of an ask. You know, it's like, oh, we're going to make an extra this much, but I was like, I want this on top of what I'm already making.

I got you. And they were like, okay. Yeah. And like, there's a lot to it, but it sounds cool when you say it like that. Yeah. But so there's sending me to Vegas to like learn the ropes. And I walk into a resort. I'm not going to say any of the places.

But what's the point of this story? I don't know. I just want everybody who is there, like, left alone. Or to not listen to this and be like, come on, man. Because they're all really nice people. But I was there, you know, this was, I can check my phone later, but like the first week of January. So the thing that happened to me, the office was after this. But I walk in and it is a huge event. Like Vegas is never short on huge events.

I was staying at the Tropicana and I had to take a car over to this other property and walked in and there's a giant sign, paper sign hanging over the event space that says Wuhan Software Institute, like welcome. And I was like, cool. Has you heard of Wuhan at that point? I knew what it was. I heard of it, but I hadn't heard of it in that context. Like maybe a little bit, but I was very much of the opinion is like, this is nothing. This is H1N1. right right all over and I was like I was like I just I was very preoccupied with my own sadness

at the time but I walked in and I'm just like talking to everybody asking them about internet like passwords just talking to everybody shaking hands you know like whatever and and like well I'm still very agnostic as to the unnamed virus of unknown origin um I am as you're standing at the Wuhan yeah um I like as the day's going on like uh I didn't mean that as the week is going on

um I start feeling like you know um little some some some yeah I was there for 10 days um and sounds about like a quarantine amount of time almost early lockdown quarantine time um

and like I was so preoccupied with other things really honestly in my life at that point. But, and so when I start feeling mad, I'm going, it's just like, I'm sad or like, I've been talking a lot. So my throat's scratch here or whatever, you know. But like I said, as the is going on, I'm like, I don't feel great. Um, get back on the plane, fly to, fly back to the East Coast.

And like by that time, like on the, on the flight, I like thought my head was going to explode. Like the pressure was so bad from the flight and from like the, the sinus pressure. I was like, I'm my, I might go full scanners and my head will explode. Like, this is, I never felt like this in my life.

And like I, I don't know, you could probably tell by the sound, by the son of my voice and how I talk, that I have sinus issues. Like, my voice had sinus issues, tightness and sinuses and,

but I've never felt like this before. Once I got off the plane, that pressure went away, but the sickness is just bad. I just laid in a bathtub for four days. Then I went back to work, because I had to. You can't really miss work in events because they're over if you miss them,

right? You have to be there. But then the entire, like, office, which is very large, this is a very large place, just brought it down.

Just, I was like, I'm kind of sick. And I remember my boss, he goes, well, it's not that coronavirus. That was last time I ever saw him.

Oh, I never saw him again. He's alive. Yeah. But the next day I got an email that said, hey, don't come into work. We're taking the next two days off. The next day I got an email that said, hey, we're taking the next 15 days off. That was it.

And you never got that paycheck. I never got it. And Wesley brought the plague to the East Coast. Yes, I did. You freaking super spreader. But I went back in to get my step. Like, I went back almost a year later to the resort. Yeah.

Still under heavy protocols. A year later? Yeah, almost a year later. It was, I remember what the date was now that we shut it down. But I went back in like November, so almost 10 months, right? Went back with my roommate because I was already, well, my former roommate. And I was living in Indianapolis at the time, drove back just to get all of my stuff, like all of my stuff from, like, they were like, go home now. Don't go back to your office.

So my coffee is sitting there. Wow. Right. My shoes are sitting there. The document that I was writing, the cursor is still blanking. Dude, we have been in the apocalypse three years. We're not defining it as such. We need to start realizing the world has been shut down to apocalyptic degrees.

That is insane. That is crazy. That is insane. It's just, yeah, just like my copy was there. And I was stirring it. So the stirer was still in there. And it was just weird. It hadn't, like, it was a paper cup and it hadn't bottomed out or anything.

It's like you're watching an Apocalypse movie where you walk into an abandoned building and everybody's stuff is still there to way. It left it. Yeah. All my stuff is. Oh, yeah, yeah. All of my stuff is there. My backpack, the backpack, not the backpack I brought today, but the backpack I take every day

it was in there for a year with my laptop in it, my personal laptop. What? Everything. My phone charger, everything. Dude. You're just, like, making all my rage come back up to the surface about what they did to us for this ridiculous event that we went through for three years. It was, dude, it was weird.

Like, and it's, it's funny, too, because, like, you know how, like, one of the things that you do to combat this is, like, warmth, right? My office was the server room, which was kept at, like, 43 degrees at all times. It was a giant fan. So I'm in there going, I always had headphones on there so that I wouldn't get, like, tonitis from the, there's noise cancelling headphones. But I was in charge of that. So, you know, when somebody needed something, I was already in the room. It was perfect.

But, and it was like, you know, I had all my equipment in there. But everything, like, how I had laid it out. out for the day. Just sitting in that, I was like, this is weird. I was like, it's not creepy.

Right. But it is weird. I love, I love stories like this, like how we all individually experienced the beginning of lockdown and everything, because it is like when you watch a zombie movie and after you've met the characters for while, you're like, so how did it go for you?

Yeah. You're right. Three years ago? This could be a podcast. Oh, yeah. This could be a podcast in itself, having people on, where were you? Yeah. What was your,

what's your story? Yeah. You know, COVID connection. Yeah. Clock down. Something. Lockdown. Let's start it.

Lockdown 2019 forever. And Jersey was, yeah, in Jersey was terrible. They were arresting people for selling stuff online on Facebook live. Yes. A Facebook marketplace. Like the gyms couldn't open.

Yeah. That's crazy. Wow. What? It's where Ian Smith is from, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, his gym was in Jersey for sure. Yeah, absolutely.

But man. And it was like, I was in a sort of a like more rural, not rural, but a little bit more conservative part of New Jersey, not that there's that many. But even there, like the paranoia instantly. And I was like, come on, man. Like, I was very, like, resistant early on. And, like, one of the things that...

I was the opposite. Were you? Oh, bro. You're terrified? In a sense, because my wife was pregnant in her first trimester. Yeah. Yeah, we were deep. Yeah, I was like, if this is like the flu, it's really not good for a woman get the flu in her first trimester.

And I was very concerned about that in that sense. Same. But I had also been following the whole sickness since, I think, at least December of 2019. And I was going into work telling guys in the beginning of January, like, guys, there's something going on in China that I think is going to be a big deal. And they're like, you and your conspiracy theories and blah, blah, blah. And then it happened. And they're like, you were right. I remember being at my parents' house and I had Tim Poole on my phone.

Obviously, this is years before I would meet him. and he's talking about what's going on in China. And my dad's like, what hell is that? I'm like, it's this thing going on out there. It's kind of crazy. He's like, nah, it's fine. And then sure enough, you know, we experienced the end of the world for sure. Yeah, it's the trial run of the end of the world.

The trial run. Yeah, yes and no, because the world did stop. It might not be dead, but it stopped. And we have a scar throughout all these generations. We share someone, it's like a war. And even our children. my son is scarred in the sense that he, because we were in the Philadelphia area in that area,

it got shut down a lot. And to the point that trucking industry slowed down so much when I was still driving truck, I had seven weeks off. The freight wasn't moving. Wow. So, like, I built up my studio in my basement during that time because my daughter was going to be coming,

so I had to get out of the third bedroom. But, yeah, everything just absolutely stopped. And I forget where I was going with that, But you're... I started thinking about my daughter and I love her so much and she's so pretty. No, but you're making a good point

about how even the young kids were scarred by this. Yeah, so my son, thank you. You're great to have here. You want a job? Yeah. We'll see how this week goes with Twitter. Screw journalism.

I need you to be here on the studio with me. So yeah, but my son, so Jordan Peterson talks about the first four years of a child's life is the most crucial for their social development. And my son was absolutely stifled because he had just turned two in December and everything shut down a few months later

for a long time. And he already had parents who sheltered him. Like his first year, I kept him at home for the most part because I was scared to drive with him. I was like, what if there's an accident? I was paranoid. And so between me and COVID,

Ben's social skills are just finally starting to get developed now here in Tennessee. It was another reason why I had to get somewhere where I felt like if this happens again, which is very possible, that I'm in an area that maybe won't be as bad to survive through. You did the same thing. You left Pennsylvania. Same thing.

Almost like right after I left New York and found our own respective places and I will never not be angry at what they did to the children in particular, like with these lockdowns, especially in New York. My kids' school just closed. No one said anything. No one even told us. It was like your place of work where you just show up and you're like, what, what happened? Where's everybody?

We lost all the friends. You know, no one to hang out anymore. Everyone was afraid. I was afraid, too, in the beginning because my wife was pregnant with her daughter. And she was pregnant with our son during Zika. Okay. And during Zika, I was like, that got the pregnant women hard, right? Dude.

During Zika, I don't know if words I should use right now, but I'll say it was like I was destroying all of the mosquitoes. I'll say it that way. And I had every weapon. at my disposal to keep my wife safe from the mosquitoes. Digital things that like hissed, the beeping sounds like our waitress from earlier. Like swatters.

No one's going to even get that. Yeah, that's just for us. That's just for us. Some things are just for us, guys. Deep cut. Didn't get bit once. And then she did a lot the next summer. But like when she was pregnant again,

we were like, really another plague? Second kid, second place. No more kids for you. The doctors were like, when you get pregnant again, you tell us. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to get a chill.

Yeah. But no, I will never, I'll never forgive the government for what they did to us and the way they did our children dirty. Yeah. It was disgusting. This was a, the experience that I had was just like how fast on the dime things turned from, like,

what I perceived to be truth. And it gave me a theory, too. I had a theory of a COVID theory. And I never hear anybody talk about this, which, to me it seems obvious. Like, I'm wrong almost all the time. But sometimes I notice things. What I noticed is I think that the COVID reaction was the opposite of what the machine intended.

I think we've talked about this. COVID was a blessing. No, no, no, no, no. You don't hear my COVID is a blessing theory? No, no, no, like, sure. But what I'm saying is that I think the propaganda campaign had to turn on a dime because they had another plan. And what happened was the wrong side for them was against it and the wrong side was for it for the regime.

Yeah. They wanted this to be the right wingers. We're like mask up and do a little bit. Because as soon as they were questioning it, questioning everything, they had to flip the propaganda. Like voucher came out and it was like, don't put on a mask. Don't do it. It makes you touch your face. You know, no virus is large enough to be cat.

by that. And I knew this just because I had gone through like countless hours of Emsha and OSHA training. And so like part of it got through it was like, this is the largest particle that can be captured by a cloth mask or an M99 or whatever they're called. And I knew that he even said like this virus is so much smaller than your normal virus, right? I was like, so what are we doing? Why are you now telling me, why are you now telling me that, you know, it actually will do a lot of good? You said it does the opposite because of your... No, I didn't.

What you... I am not even here. Oh, come on. This is very basic. And then all of the propaganda about it, somewhere around March or April, like, early April just started to turn the other direction. And I was like, okay, wait. The people who were like questioning it are now fully on board and the news, like, I don't

know if it. It was, that was, the intent was to confuse or if they just saw the writing on the wall, that, okay, these people that we thought were going to be very afraid because their guy's in power and would trust him are like, okay, we like him. But we don't like what you're making, what you're saying. Right. You know, like, we still like him. But this, like, you can't do this. It was minus Operation Warp speed. Golly, that.

I was like, yeah. Anyways, we're not going to go down that road. No, but I was going to say that real quick is like, COVID was a blessing in that way. where a lot of people were waking up to being like, oh, government overreach is terrible. And like, COVID was terrible. For people who actually got sick with it and who were old or obese or had diseases,

it was horrible for small businesses, horrible for economies around the world, horrible for the children. Silver lining. Everything. Silver lining was, though, that on a personal level, look at us now.

We escaped that. that hellish world that's ruled by these people who use COVID or things like COVID to control us. And we got out. And then a lot of people outside of this in more national, international scale were like, huh, I don't trust anything anymore. It was like a crazy perfect storm for two years that led to that too. It was COVID. It was the summer of love. It was the botched withdrawal.

It was all of these things where people are like, okay, for 20 years I've been saying this. but now I feel this way. I'm so being told I should feel this way. Why do I feel like those crazy conspiracy theories? I know. You know what I was thinking about recently about all that stuff? Because like there's a lot of things we could have looked at pre-COVID that should have woken people up.

I always talk about like Tuskegee, you know, things that are like, we could just point to and be like, this is a heinous thing this government has done. Like, why are you not always thinking about it? And keeping that in your mind all the time. But like people, I forget what I was saying. I'm so tired. I'm not you, bro.

I can't, I can't recover. I'm dying. It's one of those things where it's like, that should, like, it's the other side, what I like bring that up a lot. And it's like, yeah, you're right. It makes me not like the government. No, no, no, no, no. It's not the government's fault.

I remember. I remember I was going to say. I was just say it's like exposure therapy. All of COVID and all those years was like, we are now being forced to stare at the worst things and you're going to have to confront all the, all the worst things about your country, your government, yourself. everything. So that's what happened

to like the the redrawing of the political lines like where you have people like certain conservative commentators this is what happens when you get the Timcast crew on the paranormal show like

this is Timcast versus the confessional less destroy the left and the right this is a pure mashup certain conservative commentators I'm not calling them out like in fact I'm complimenting them like, you know, we are always like pro whatever business, but not anymore.

You know, not anymore. It's not like, it used to be like corporations versus government, which one do you like? It was very simple. The battle lines were, do you like pharma or do you like government? Well, I don't want government. So that means I must be an apologist for pharma. But then you realize that it's a false dichotomy and that they're both in the same. They're both the same.

Yeah. Yeah. Like the idea of that if you're a capitalist, you must love corporations as a joke. It's a fake. They are granted that status by a government. It's like saying like childless parents. It doesn't exist. Like you, to be a corporation, there must be a government granting that special privilege. But and they are one and the same. So I feel very good as a person of that political persuasion saying like, I don't like either of you. You're both just awful. Yeah. There's no distinction. No. There's no distinction. All right. Listen, we've gone two hours and five minutes, and I haven't even started my overtime yet. Can we, let's take, do we know what they're our politics or let's get into what you want to? No, no, no. We're going to end this segment here. And, you know, I hope people enjoyed the conversation. You guys, I knew would be a fun time, at least for me to talk to. And I hope that people enjoy it. I hope you're out here. They're going to be like, what was this?

I'm a frenetic weirdo. No, no, listen, there. I have a healthy balance of my audience where they tune in for, they're pretty much game for anything, really. I mean, as long as I don't, you know, if I, like, hey, today we're going to be talking about the 76ers NBA basketball team. My favorite team in the world, they don't care about that. You know what I mean? But this kind of stuff, they're good with, I think. And if they're not, they'll email me about it.

So forward me those emails. I'll add it to the list. There you go, the next book. Yeah. You put all the angry emails in the books. But anyways, before we wrap up this segment and take a break, I'm sure you guys got to use a bathroom or something. and we'll go into some more conversation for the overtime. Let people know where they can find your stuff.

I should have done this in the beginning, but links will be in the description of the episode anyways, but about the book, anything you guys want to promote and stuff. I usually do it in beginning in the end, and I forgot to do that. I'm sorry. I was just so excited to have my friends on the show. Oh, okay. Well, what do I have?

The first volume of Inverted World, which is like a series of different stories from me investigating Long Island serial killer simulation theory ghosts alien abductions that's at invertedworldbook.com you can also go to shane cashman.com click on vulturehouse press and see other books I've released such as the fucking lunatic and joyless kingdom and you can sign up at timcast.com to get volume two of inverted world which is the it will be the narrated and illustrated version of the gold treasure story I was talking about earlier and that book will come out in book form later in March.

And you can go to Timcast.com and check out all the articles I've been writing. And you know, you can check out the first part. By the time you hear this, you'll probably see all three or four parts of the Eliza Blue story, the Kanye West story, the Carrie Lake story, a bunch of other stuff. So thanks for having us, dude.

Absolutely. You can find my workhouse at timcast.com. It's called Castcastle. It's a fully scripted to come. used to be a real, like a behind the scenes vlog, but since I'm doing my thing now. But if you like, like, what's the best way to describe old school YouTube? Yeah. Like it's like old college humor, but, but with, you know, a different worldview.

It's fun. Better cameras. It's funny. Sometimes I'll show up to the studio and he'll be like, I need you to wear this cape. Yeah. And hold this and pretend like you're throwing like a plasma ball. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I'm like, all right, dude. So that sounds absurd, but it's hilarious and it's so much fun. I push, like, if you're wondering, is this for me, if you like something to where it pushes it so far into absurdity that you're like, I'm not sure this is for me. And then it breaks back to reality, you might like this. There you go. I'm very self-aware of the same things that I'm doing.

But yeah, we're just trying to, as Tim is doing, trying to create an alternative when it comes to entertainment. Like, I am definitely one of those people that things were entertaining ourselves to death, But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't fight back with it. Right. That you do have to create culture so that people, politics is downstream of culture. Yep. So make the things so that people laugh at the absurd things they're doing so that they will change their mind.

It's a whole, you know? Yeah. And like that makes it sound much more like whatever. I'm having a blast. Yeah. There's a lot of good chicken jokes. A lot of good chicken jokes. Yeah, I'm in the same boat with that stuff.

I mean, actually, Tim is actually one of the people that helped birth that desire. in me. I found myself in a unique position where I was an audience member of Tim's and listening to him talk about things, but I also was a full-time content creator that had this Merkle Media thing that I had started to, for the podcast side of things, and I was like, I think I can do more with Merkel media. And can I fight the culture? Even if it's not on the level of Tim Pool, can I contribute in this fight? And so that's when I started really buckling down with some things. And now Merkel Media's sole focus right now is, well, not sole focus, but our main focus, like, we're not bringing on any new podcast, none of that stuff. We are focused on filmmaking right now.

We're going to be, I think this is the first time I'm saying it on the show, but it'll be announced anyways soon. It's my freaking company. I can do what I want. We're actually coming out with a feature film, like an actual movie this year. We're going to be shooting later this year. And so we want to do kids cartoons and all that crap. And it all, really, the desire for that, The awakening thought that I could probably do something like that came from Tim Poole. And it was really cool. And you're like, it's a different space, but it's, you know, like both. You talk about it is just as important because there's a lot of people looking for answers in this space.

And if they get the wrong answers there, that's really bad. And having somebody like you and other people in your space that are saying like, hey, there's an alternative explanation to these things. In my opinion, you're saving a lot of eternal lives. or it's giving the opportunity for the real salvation. I just, it's a cliche. Pointing them in the right direction. You lead the horse of water.

You can't make them drink. And I live my life like that and I don't have it. It's very freeing that way. I don't have any guilt or weight on me. It's like, oh, man, this person doesn't believe what I believe. Listen, man, I'm just going to be me in front of you. If you don't like it, that's cool. You know, it is what it is.

Yep. You know? And anyways, so this is you guys. and I appreciate you guys being here. I appreciate you having us, man. Yeah, dude. Absolutely. It's really fun.

So, well, if they're members, they're going to get more another dose of you guys. And some of the members are like, well, that's it. I'm turning this off. So just let people know what we're going to get into the overtime. I want to touch on the Atlantis. Okay. Because Wesley has done a lot of research into Atlantis. And I also want to actually hit on Shane's paranormal encounters.

we hit on in the beginning, but I want you to tell the story and how this all came together with that woman talking about the portals and the dog man, because, oh my gosh, I just want to hear it. But then I also want to talk about

how the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, A interview unfolded for you. Because, like, if we, I don't know if we mentioned three million hours ago. But, I mean, you, you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you, are you,

friendly with him now. I would say. I mean, we haven't talked in probably a few weeks. He got married and stuff. Oh, congratulations. Yeah. It was crazy.

It was crazy. It's pretty crazy. I'll tell you all about it. Right. We'll talk about the overtime. But you're just somebody who's been finding yourself in a position where you're interviewing

these people who are like culturally, very relevant in the moment. And you're finding yourself in the middle of the storms. And it's almost making me feel like you're an operative. But we'll talk about it in the overtime. Join us to find out. Everybody's like, be careful, Loney, be careful. Don't turn your back on him.

All right, guys, listen, if you remember, check into the overtime right now. It is available. If you're not, we appreciate you listening. And until next week, stay safe, take care, and remember, the truth will set you free. But first, they'll piss you off. Bye. Because that's what we're going.