The Confessionals - 534: An Impromptu Abduction

Episode Date: April 4, 2023

In episode 534: An Impromptu Abduction we are joined by identical twin brothers, James and Mike. They host "An Impromptu Truth" on YouTube and they are here to share some of their wildest experiences. From an NDE (near-death experience) to hauntings and bigfoot sightings, these two have had their share of weirdness. But we spend half the show dissecting their 2003 abduction incident when both James and Mike, along with their cousin, were abducted and forever changed. Their abduction is an ongoing situation that they are still dealing with to this day.Become a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:1. Smoky Mountain Bigfoot ConferenceTickets: https://bit.ly/3l1wZHR2. LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals50" for 50% off plus first box ships for free!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel Media. Hey everybody, before we get into this week's show, let's talk to you real quick about the advanced screening of the shape of shadows at Battleground Cinema Theater and Battleground Washington this Thursday. We are going to be there, me and my team, plus West Gummer, to do the advanced screening of my next film, the Shape of Shadows, where we went out to Utah, to Space Wolf Research, which butts up against Skinwalker Ranch, and we did our thing for an entire week looking for Skinwalker's. coming this Thursday to Battleground Cinema Theater as an advanced screening to very few people. So if you want to be part of that very few people crowd, you're going to want to go to the shape of shadows.com and get your ticket because after the advanced screening, we're going to do a town hall where people can stand up and share what they've experienced when it comes to

Bigfoot in the area and do a Q&A with West Germer, myself and the team from the shape of shadows, all doing answers and questions and questions and answers for you guys. But that's going to be this Thursday. If you want to get in on the action, go to the shapeofshadows.com. Get your ticket before they're sold out. Let's get to the show. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant.

With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Got closer, got closer, got spursing, when he got about 50 days when I blow this head off. I feel something pulling at my leg.

And I look over and there are two small, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep. Welcome to the show, everybody listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy, wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.

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you're a member. Also, like I said, in the very beginning of this episode, I'm going to be at Battleground Cinema Theater this Thursday at 6.30 p.m. Me and Wes Germer, my entire film team from the Shape of Shadows, we are doing an advanced screening. of the shape of shadows, which is the new film we're dropping, where me and my team went to Utah and we went to a property called Space Wolf Research that butts up against Skinwalker Ranch, and we spent a week out there doing our thing, and we uncovered a lot of great stuff that you're going to get to see in the shape of shadows. So if you're in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and you want tickets to this advanced screening where you get to be the first one in the world to see this

film and also participate in a town hall where people are sharing their Bigfoot experiences and also participating in a Q&A hosted by myself and Wes and the team from The Shape of Shadows. You're going to want to go to the shape of shadows.com and get your tickets before they're gone. In fact, I'm recording this right now the previous week. So I don't know if they're gone yet or not, but hey, go check it out and see if they're available. If they're not, it'll say out of stock or something like that. I don't know. But we are going to be there, Battleground Cinema theater this Thursday 6.30 p.m. right there doing the advanced screening of the Shape of Shadows, town hall, and Q&A, hosted by Wes Ghermer and myself. Hope to see you there. Okay, this week we have

James and Mike coming on. They are the dynamic duo twins, and they're coming on to talk about several different things, NDE's, hauntings, Bigfoot sightings, all in New York State. But here's the thing that is the most attractable piece of this conversation. And it's what we sat down to originally talk about. These two twin brothers and their cousin was abducted in 2003. They have a lot of missing time. They all remember certain things from it. It's an ongoing situation where they have things implanted in their bodies. And James feels an extreme amount of guilt from this whole thing because he is the one that got him into the situation. And you hear us trying to work through all the details on this episode. I hope you guys enjoy it. Let's get to James and Mike from the

impromptu truth right now. All right, today we got Mike and James, James and Mike, the identical twin duo. How are you guys doing? Oh, we're good, man. How are you doing today? How are you doing 20? Glad to be here, man. Definitely. Listen, we just got done talking for about almost two hours. In that process, it got hot in here. I went out there to turn on the AC, get some Water, told my brother, who's now working for me, I said, hey, we haven't started yet. He's like, you haven't started yet? I'm like, no, we haven't started yet. So now he's out there probably thinking, I wonder if they started yet. Sorry, son, this is how I do things. But yeah, so we're sitting here chatting about a million different things. Some things show worthy, some things,

maybe not so showworthy. But I'll tell you, we were talking about Tennessee and you guys had a story come across your path and that we're going to get into to kind of launch a topic of conversation. Not even the topic conversation, just launch conversation. But before we do that, I don't care who wants to do it. But tell the audience who you are, what you guys do, where they can find all your stuff, social media,

anything you want to promote. All right. So, me and this guy over here, we got a YouTube channel called an impromptu truth. And on that show, we started out talking interviews with people we know. They would just sit down face-to-face interviews and it's kind of branched off into us.

doing interviews with people online or just us rambling and talking about whatever we want to talk about on the show, movies, paranormal stuff, cryptids. I don't, we don't touch demonic stuff in politics. It's one and the same. So we just leave that stuff alone. But, yeah, it's, we just, we try to portray on the show what we, ourselves. So what you see on that show is what you get from us in real life. You know, and that's why we call it an impromptu truth. The banter you hear between us, that's like actual banter between.

Like, it's not script or anything. That's how we talk to each other. Yeah. Like, I'll curse him out. He'll curse me out in the middle of a show. Like, we'll disagree. We'll agree. But we generally try to keep it a chill environment over there.

And we'll, like I said, we'll talk about anything and everything except demonic stuff in politics. And you guys will come over to YouTube and check us out, man. Yeah, absolutely. check them out. The link will be in description of this episode anyway so people can check it out easier. You're missing out in the demonic stuff, man. You got to go down the demonic hole. It's interesting. It does, but I understand that

going down that rabbit hole, you get attachments. And I got little ones that I don't want any attachments running around my house messing with them, you know what I mean? So I'd rather just leave that stuff alone. And people ask me about it and stuff along those lines. And they'll say things, very similar things like, aren't you afraid that something's going to attach itself to you? And really, the reason why I'm not, because when I first started doing

this podcast and going down this road, I was nervous about that kind of stuff because I was new at all the stuff. I had come from, like, I was raised in the church. I went to Bible college, even though I really wasn't a Christian at the time, but I went to Bible College. And so I was familiar with that kind of stuff. But when I started the podcast, I came from the Bigfoot world mostly. Like, I was talking a lot about Bigfoot, and, you know, I decided to start this podcast talking about everything. So I was a nervous about it. But for me, the thing was, is that the way the show started, where they have told, I've been telling the story more stuff. So I'm not going to rehash it now. But literally, I was driving my tractor trailer through Philadelphia, and I felt God tell me, you were going to be a

podcaster. It was all kind of ordained. And so I was just like, I kind of like sat back and I was like, you know what? If I really believe God put me here, then I've got to believe that he's going to preserve me as well. And I've come to this understanding and philosophy. I don't know if it's philosophy. I don't know. But basically, if I have an experience, I feel like it's something that God is going to use to allow me to be stronger and understand. And I say that because of my experience with the warlock that I talk about sometimes in the show. When I went to that guy's house, I had never, I wasn't doing this podcast, and I had never considered the idea of being in the presence of a Satanus and somebody who wants to do me harm. And I went through that whole thing

and it affected me deeply. But fast forward, I talk about it on the show and it gave me a perspective that I wouldn't have had and you can't have unless you actually go through it. And so, there are times that like I'll say things and you know we were talking about the before stuff like I'll say things on my show sometimes I get emails about you know and when I say things along those lines though I'm very sure myself because I've been through it I've experienced it so nobody's going to tell me otherwise like I know what I felt I know what I went through and so long story short I had the same fears but the thing that for me it was just like it was a spiritual thing almost like I I feel like God wants me doing this, and I believe he's going to protect me.

And so, so far, I've been pretty good other than the dog man popping up in the house. You know, the light stuff, you know, just simple stuff. I haven't had any paranormal experiences in my house, but there was a lot of paranormal stuff that happened to us when we were younger. I've had some very strange. Oh, yeah, recent times paranormal stuff that's happened over the last. I want to say a year and a half, two years. Very strange. But first, let's get into this dog man case.

All right. So on our show on our show on the other day, I got a message on Facebook from one of our listeners. Really cool lady, really cool lady. And she asked me if we had anybody on, anybody down in Kingston, Tennessee. So I will actually read you what she sent me because I have it right here. And she said, do we have anyone from Kingston, Tennessee?

or near it. My son just saw a huge dog man by his house standing in the tree line, says it was massive and it freaked him out. And he's going to try to take a picture of the next time when he's standing out there. So we dove into this a little bit. Now, it took place in Kingston, Tennessee. And it was about 11 o'clock at night. And he was outside smoking a cigarette when he saw this thing. And when he saw it come out of the tree line, there's one street light there. So it was sparsely lit. according to his mother. Now, my theory is that I think it might have smelled the cigarette smoke and poked itself out. You know what I mean? Because like I smoke,

I smoke cigarettes. And if these things supposedly have the sense of smell that they do, they would have clocked in on that immediately and went to go see what it was. You know what I mean? So I kind of think maybe the cigarette smoke is what attracted that thing to them.

And then I also, said, listen, don't do anything that this thing might portray as antagonistic. So, like, if you want to take a picture of it, maybe set up a camera in your window on your window sill. Don't go out there trying to antagonize it because it's just not going to end well. And you hear that from numerous stories about people dealing with these creatures. Yeah, I said if they have, like, the ring cameras, maybe set one up to point. at that area where they seen it

and see if they catch it like that but do not do anything aggressive if you need to put up more lights because he has kids and he doesn't want it coming into his house so the one question we forgot to ask was what was the yardage

from the position he was to where he seemed to come out the wood line yeah I will say I live like 45 minutes from Kingston and I'm looking out on the map. I'm like,

Sam, so hop, skip that jump. Yeah, me and Scott Carpenter can go over there and check out the property. So maybe,

maybe, she says, do you have anybody in the area? I'll shoot her a message if you guys really want to go out there. I'll shoot her a message. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think Scott Carpenter would be opposed to it.

So, um, just be, listen, I'm, I'm, yeah, oh, yeah, for sure,

for sure. I mean, as careful as you can be hunting interdimensional demons. So, you know. This is true. But I just, I'm going to kind of, I'm at a point in my life where I'm just like, like if we were talking, I just can't help but push these buttons,

especially I've never, I've never lived anywhere where there's so much activity. And now it's just like all around me. And I live out in the sticks. So it's probably closer to my home than what I could imagine. I probably don't need a drive at Kingston. Yeah. It's probably right. That's what Scott told me.

Scott's like, bro, they're around your house. I'm like, really? Probably. So right before we started stream, my brother had said, oh, did you tell them about your your Bigfoot sighting? All right. So like I told you, like I said earlier, I work at UPS. I'm a supervisor.

And I travel this one route five days a week, been doing it for 10 years. All right. This happened back in 2013. 15. I'm on my way to work. I'm driving a little Mazda 3. And the way before you get to the building, right, you come off the highway, you go up, go up this little embankment and you start coming down a hill and you start going up and it curves like that. When I start going up the hill, my headlights caught something that it had to be at least seven and a half feet tall. I don't know if it was a big foot. All I know is it was stepping off this, off the road onto the embankment. And then it turned like its whole upper body and looked at my car. And when it did, you could see its eyes and it's eye. You know that safety vest green, that safety vest yellow?

Its eyes lit up like that. And I was like, what was that? And then it stepped off and went down the embankment. And I got to, I got to the building, walked in, told everybody what I saw. And they all thought I was completely crazy. And when they all thought I was crazy, I called him up 4 o'clock in the morning, and told him what I saw. And he's like, yo, why do you go out?

Spadze? Tell him what I just saw, right? And then I refused to go outside until the sun came up because this happened like a mile, like as a crow flies, a mile from the building. And I was like, I'm not going outside. It's just not going to happen. So later on that day, he calls me up. He's like, hey, Jay, let's go take a ride out there and see what you saw.

Like, I really don't want to go out there. like, oh, yeah, come on, come out. I'm like, all right, let's go. So we hop in the car and I take him to the exact spot and I'm like, I'm not getting out of car. He's like, all right, whatever. So he gets out of car, walks across the street and he starts calling my name. He's like, Jay, come here. I'm like, what do you want? He's like, come here, come here, come look at this. So I get out of car, I walk over and sure enough, where I saw this thing, there's a footprint, about 14 inches wide, pat it down in the grass. And I'm like, yo, get in the car. Let's go. because now it's like 7 o'clock at night and it's getting dark.

I'm like, let's go. Let's get in the car and we took off. Yeah, so I don't know if it was a big foot. I don't know what it was. It was big with safety vest green colored eyes. Tripped me out. Okay, so, but all right, so it was 14 inches long or wide? 14 inches long.

And it was about, and about six or seven inches wide. Yeah, dude. You saw a big foot. I mean, like, I don't, I'm not, I'm not saying it was a big foot. I'm not saying it was not a big foot. I'm just saying it was really big and really weird. What would it take for you to like, I mean, you saw something. You see the footprint at the location.

Like what, what else do you need personally? Is it, you need to have it like smack you or what? I need, because when I, like I said, one of my headlights hit. you could just see the silhouette. It was just silhouetted. But you could see how massive the silhouette was. And the reason that freaked out was because the eyes lit up. And I'd have to say, in order for me to really be convinced, I'd need to see it.

Like, you know, those like 10,000 aluminum flashlights, I'd need to see it through one of those, like right in the face. All right, that's a big foot. Okay, now I know what I'm seeing. But I'm just saying I don't know what it was. because apparently his boss has a girlfriend. And she lives not, or had a girlfriend. She lived not too far from the UPS building where my sighting happened a mile down the road.

And she told his boss that one night she heard something outside. She walked outside and showed off the same thing. Her dogs are acting weird. And she usually lets her dogs out, but her dogs are acting where they wouldn't go outside. So she walked out to her front porch in her backyard. She has a big barn. Sorry about that.

as a big barn and she's seeing something with those same reflective eyes standing down by the eve on the corner eve or the barn and this was yeah like a man as a crow flies maybe a half mile where she lives from where he'd seen that but then a few weeks ago in the same area where he's seen whatever that was he kind of seen what looked like to breakish type deal yeah um Tony, I still don't know what to make of that one. You saw it yourself? Yeah. I was the same spot I saw this thing with these green eyes.

Like last week, week before, I'm traveling this road. Like I said, I've been traveling this road five days a week for 10 years. And my headlights hit something in, it was deeper in the tree line than what this, what this other thing was. But when my headlights hit it, you've ever seen football play? doing bear crawls yeah it looked like that and it was it was gangly lanky and white and it looked like a man and i drove i slowed down lights hit it and i'm looking at i'm like what the hell is what the hell is that and i'm like no no no no and i drove right and i got like a half a mile away and i was like

wait a minute you're supposed to be into this stuff you should go back and look that i thought about it for half second was like, no, just go to work. And I just, I went to work and I totally took it out of my mind because that's not, I don't want to be known as a guy I saw, uh, whatever those things were a pale crawl or whatever thing like that. You know what I mean? It's bad enough to go. I got the stigma, UFO guy at work.

So, all right. When it was walking, so you said the bear crawl, uh, so it's like it's butts in the air and hands on the ground. I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say it's. butt was in the air. It was more its butt was low and its legs were long. You know what I mean? But it was moving. It was doing that.

You know, the stare exercise, things like that. It was kind of like that, but like on the ground, moving like that. And I just, I don't, I don't know where it could be going because where that spot is, there's like a little cemetery there, right? And then there's some old dilapidated cottages, maybe like another 30 yards down that hill. But then after that, that's highway. Like, there's a drop off. And then that's the highway.

Like, that's 17. That's a fairly used highway. I don't know where it could have been going or where it could have been coming from. But I didn't, when I got to work, I didn't tell anybody. And, yeah, would you see? No, I didn't tell anybody because, like I said, dude. Yep, but he calls me 8.30 in the morning and tells me about it.

Yeah, well, you I mean, your family. I'm going to tell you that. Got to tell somebody. So that's really interesting. So this happened twice. Essentially you had something happened twice, same area. I mean, I should rename my show

to the portal show or something like that. What's this area look like, though? Is it is it like in the city, like near the depot? Is it more? We're in, we're in,

we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, um, kind of, um,

kind of like a rural, rural area. Uh, it's not, our, I'll put it this way. Our population only grows in the summertime. Like, we have a lot of summer visitors that come up here.

Our population triples, but like during the winter time, it's, we mean, maybe 20,000 people, 20,000 people in the county, something like that. So it's not,

that's not, yeah, it's not. And in Sullivan County, it's, it's, huge. This county is massive. So yeah, there's not a lot of people around here in the wintertime and it's a pretty rural area. Do you think that, uh, what, all right, let me ask you this then. What are, what do you think about the topic of Bigfoot? What do you think it is? And also,

you brought the rakes. So I mean, and what you saw, uh, doesn't seem natural. So what are your thoughts on, on those two, at least those two topics? And does it feel? fit in a paradigm of it being just a physical thing that you saw or in regards to bigfoot um i think some of them might display interdimensional characteristics so like the cloaking stuff uh i don't know i think they are a natural creature but they have a touch of i might get flagged for this but nephelum dna to them you know what i mean That's why they can, that's what they, that's why they can do some of the stuff that they do. They can hide so well.

They can disappear. They can hit you with the emphrasound and everything like that and like completely disrupt you. Now, these rake things, I don't think they're interdimensional. I think rakes, pale crawlers or whatever you want to call them, I think they're coming out of cave systems. I think there's some ancient or some kind of mutation. that they're coming out of the cave systems because that would explain the pastiness of the skin, the lankiness, the gauntness,

because in order to fit through some of those cave passages, you would have to be skinned. You would have to be able to maneuver like a spider or something like that, you know what I mean? So I think those things are coming out of local cave systems. And some people are just so happen to be seeing them when they're popping out of their systems. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that that could go with the Bigfoot side of things, too, that they could be in cave systems. Now, do you have that kind of stuff in your area? Yeah, with there's tons of caves. Go ahead, Mike. Yeah, we absolutely have the cave system. My thoughts on Bigfoot is there, you have the Flushingbud ones who are actually here. But then you do have ones who could cloak in through portals and when that's, like, You ever hear of the phenomena called a Glimberman?

Yeah. What if Bigfoot could, is that? Could cook it like what people are seeing, the Glimberman is actually a Bigfoot. Like it has that kind of characteristic that it could do it. You could put them in the same category, almost the same category as the Faye and real flesh and blood creatures. And there's also been reports of numerous reports of people seeing UFOs in the skies,

And as soon as they see the UFO, they see a bigfoot dogman or something else along those lines. So it's a broad spectrum of what it can be. Now, I remember I used to work in a restaurant and we used to have like the DEC guys coming all the time. But one time we had a state forest ranger coming. And my boss, he really, he had no filter. He didn't really care. He believes in Bigfoot and everything like that. So he was like, you know, I'm about to ask this guy about Bigfoot.

I don't know if you want to. All right, go ahead. And usually, do you believe in Bigfoot? And the state forest rangers looked at as he said, you can't deny the Dormor Ridges caught in the prints. It's like, it makes sense. And then we had another conversation where there was a rookie DEC officer came in, and he was with his superior.

And my boss asked them the same question. The young guy, he wanted to say something. But the older gentleman had a look in his face staring at the guy, Like, if you say something, we're going to have problems. Like, I became very cool with, like, all the DEC officers and stuff like that. But I was always leery on asking them questions about, like, what they've seen in the woods or anything strange like that. Because I didn't want to alienate the friendship because me personally on my outdoors, when I go fishing all the time and I don't need them rolling up on me screaming game, warden. Listen, I'm completely different.

I don't care. I will walk up to a police officer and be like, yo, what is the weirdest call you've been on? and sometimes they get an answer sometimes like um i don't really heard anything weird but uh yeah one guy answered me he was like yeah uh he got sent out to a call and he said you could feel the evil this woman had been working a route on this guy and he said when you walked in the house you could feel like the evil oozing off of this woman so they had to go and bring the guy out so he would be safe and everything uh he's i haven't talked to the officer in a while but he was supposed to find me the case file for that.

I would love to read that. And we have a few family members that have seen like strange stuff. I guess one of my uncles, he was a truck driver in the early 90s and he was leaving Louisiana going into Mississippi. I forgot what route it was, but he said he's seen a big black dog about five feet at the shoulders, run out the woods and come running towards his 18 wheeler. and he had to basically like steer and almost crash his truck

to like not have the thing hit him. I've been trying to get him to talk where he's kind of, no, I don't want to bring it up. I don't want to talk about it. And then we have an uncle who was a former state trooper. Like, you know how everybody uses the lingo,

black dog, black cow and like stuff like that with like law enforcement. But my brother asked him about it. He was like, you ever been called out to a black dog or black cow? Incident? He said yes and then didn't respond to me back for like a few months. Yeah.

And he was one of the top state troopers in the state. So your uncle is the one that had the black dog with the trucking thing? Yep, that's a separate uncle. So that is, I don't know if you know this, but that's something that a lot of truckers claim to have experiences with. Have you ever heard about that? Like big black dogs running out of the woods at them? Yeah, I think there's actually like an old song made about it. And I hadn't heard about this because I've never experienced it.

But when I used to host Hammer Lane Legends with my dad, it was a truck. It was still it. It's still around. He hosted with a co-worker now. And it's truck drivers talking about their experiences on the road. Sometimes it's paranormal. A lot of times it's just, you should have saw that lizard, you know? But like we had somebody come on talking about that.

And I had never heard of it. My dad had. And he referenced, I believe, a song or maybe even a movie. but I think they call it like the black dog or a hellhound or something like that. But like truckers talk about this experience where this black dog comes running out along the road or in front of them. I think the guy we were talking to, it was actually running along the truck with him.

But that's really interesting that you say that because I, up until I had that guy on the show for Hammer Lane Legends, I had never heard of it. And now you're saying that your uncle experienced that too. And he was a truck driver. That's really interesting. And I had guys at work when I went into work and they had heard that show. They were saying, oh, yeah, yeah, I've heard of that and stuff.

And I think it was Phil, the one guy, Phil at work, he was an old-time trucker and stuff. And he had talked to drivers that had that experience. I don't know what it is with truckers and seeing this black dog running along the truck. You described it as being five feet at the shoulders. I'll say, well, what did he say? Five feet at the store was about maybe seven feet long. It came out the wood line and ran directly. at his shock. Man, that's crazy. So it, like, it ran directly at his truck, but what happened

after that? Like, did it just dodge or what? Yeah, he basically slammed on the brakes and, like, skirted off to the side of the street, ended up, like, almost in the desk flipping the truck where he's able to, like, get it back on the road. And he just kept going. He thought it might have been a hallucination, but then he was like, dude, I just woke up like two hours ago. This couldn't have been a hallucination. Yeah. Like, I'm not tired. Because that, and, because that's something that I think, think people suggest too because I don't know if I'm sure some people have the experiences, road mirages, but it's like I used to have it all the time when I was in college. My wife, she went to a school about an hour for me and I was always driving up to hang out with

her and then I'd be driving back at like one, two o'clock in the morning and that final stretch of road was very straight and I can't tell you how many times I thought I saw somebody like on the side of the road that I'm dodging. there was just nobody there. I just was imagining it because I was so tired. And so I know people will talk about that as being a possibility. But how is it that all these truckers are having these experiences with a very large black dog? You would think that if you're going to have a road mirage because you're tired and stuff, you're going to see something that's more practically in front of your mind like, hey, don't hit pedestrians.

Not there's a giant, not a black tiny dog, a giant black dog. A giant black dog. Like all these truckers are saying they're seeing this. Yeah, there's too many people saying are seeing the same thing for not to be something there. Yeah. That's what I feel like too. But maybe maybe I just want to, maybe I just want to believe it. So it's just, you know. But.

And he's on the road. I mean, like, he's one of those truck drivers. He's, and he'll be in Washington State, then he'll be in Florida a couple of days later, like one of those truck drivers. He's always on the go. So everywhere, every once in a while, he stops and does, like, some paranormal investigation, try to give, like, information and stuff like that. He's been, you'd be surprised what people are willing to, like,

I guess that's such a tight-knit community that they keep it in, like, an in-house type deal talking about that kind of stuff. They don't stray away to tell. stories, but it's all very interesting. No, yeah, it's absolutely interesting. And, you know,

I wonder how many truckers out there are doing paranormal investigations as they drive back and forth across the country. If you're into that kind of thing, it's a perfect situation because, you know, like you're by yourself. How many truck drivers have dash cams set up that are catching weird UFOs

in the sky and everything like that? You know what I mean? So we got a, I guess it's a shadow person story for you. And it happened with me, my brother, the cousin who was with us in 2003 and like four other cousins. Okay. So before we go any further we're going to get into that. I love how you just referenced 2003. Like, like, just so people understand, I'm sitting down with these guys today.

And the only thing that I knew about anything was that they had something happened to them in 2003 that we were going to be talking about. We haven't even touched on that yet because before we started recording, they're like, oh, it's on Bigfoot. I saw this, the voodoo. We haven't even touched the voodoo yet. And so it's just funny. You're referencing something that we originally got together to talk about. And there's all this other stuff too. I'm like, oh, this is a gold mine.

I like it. Yep. All right. So we'll get into the 03 thing. Soon. I will go ahead and after this one. But this one was a, this one really freaked me out because we were like 13 when this happened. So we were at my cousin's house, the one we were with in 03. There was like seven of us.

We used to play summer basketball league down in Orange County. And one day we were just all upstairs and one of the, and his little brother's bedroom playing, what was it? Jaguar, right? We were playing like Kevin. No, Sega Genesis. Was Genesis? Whatever. One of the older game systems.

dating myself now. But the way the room was set up, you'd walk in. There was bunk beds like facing the door and then just some space. Everybody was sitting on space and I was sitting on one of the bunk beds. Now looking out, when you're sitting on the bunk bed, you can look out of the room, out of the door down the steps and kind of see the foyer a little bit, right? So I'm sitting there and I hear some footsteps coming up the steps. So I look over and I'm like, what was I? I didn't see anything.

I thought it was there at Collie because they had a mean dog named Spike and I was really scared of this dog. So I thought it was their dog in the picture. Lassie all black. Yeah. That's what the dog was like. So I thought it was their dog. So I didn't see anything. I closed the door, right?

Figured nothing up, but not thinking nothing about it. Sit back down and start watching and play video games again. The door creaks open. So I'm like, I'm like, why did, why did that do? I'm thinking maybe it's a draft or something. Look out. I hear the footsteps coming up the door, coming up the steps again. So I'm like, what, what is that?

Still, see nothing. So it's an old house and not to tell you, the house is maybe four houses down from a cemetery. All right. So we're all sitting in this house, four houses down from a cemetery. I'm hearing footsteps coming up the steps and I'm not seeing anything. So I was able to take the door handle off of the outside of the door and close it. That way, it wouldn't just, it just wouldn't open. Right.

So I do it and I slam it shut. So now they're all looking at me. You're like, yo, what is going on? I'm like, yo, this door keeps opening. I don't know what's going on. So we go back to playing video games. And sure enough, about a minute later, they all see it now. This door creaks open real slow and it goes about halfway open.

And now we're all looking down the steps. And a shadow comes walking up the steps. Like you can see it's outlined on the wall. And it comes walking up the steps. And it goes into the cousins room we were with in 03. And we all saw this. And this is like 1 o'clock in the afternoon that this happens. We all turn off the game.

We ran out the house. We didn't go back to the house until like 9 o'clock that night when his parents were back there. And yeah, that scared me. when I was younger. That kind of what got me into paranormal, like the other paranormal stuff other than like UFOs and Bigfoot and stuff like that. So, Mike, what,

is that how you remember too? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Like, it, because it was so weird. Like, we were just sitting there, sitting there playing video games. And I noticed it, too. I didn't notice when the door first opened,

but when it did it the second time, that's when I started looking. I'm like, all right. Because we actually asked my cousin, And also like, yo, is like, is anybody here? Like, because I remember everybody was supposed to be over at my grandmother's house because we were supposed to be having a barbecue. I don't even think we were supposed to be in the house at the time.

We were. We snuck down there to go play video games. He's like, no, no one's here. No one's here. You've seen that shadow come up. My cousin, it went into my cousin's room. He didn't sleep in his room for a month because of that. Mm-hmm.

Wow. Yeah, so that was, so James, you said that that was like, the event that kind of got your gears turning towards paranormal type stuff. Was that for you too, Mike, or what? No, it did make me uneasy seeing that, but I don't think it pushed me into the paranormal like that. I didn't really get into the paranormal until about maybe three years ago. Everything else was like for me was mostly like like cryptids and like big,

I'm a big UFO guy and like a UFO conspiracy and stuff like that. So I was kind of in that. The whole looking in the paranormal just came across in like the last, what, three and a half years. Because I've been, got to a lot of strange, a lot of strange happening in the last like three years. So.

Well, um, to get into why, like we're identical twins, um, to get into why he's experiencing more stuff now. Um, back in 2018, he got Legionnaires and he went septic. Um, so one morning, I, one morning, I went over to his house and I saw him and he looked delirious. So I called ambulance. They brought him up to the house. It's like, you know, thank God that you got him up here in time because he was turning septic. So he ended up going down, they ended up flying him to Westchester and he spent like three months in Westchester. Um, I don't know if you know what an ECMO machine is, but an ECMO machine is. But an ECMO machine is like a giant dialysis, the giant dialysis machine that runs like 24-7 and they stick

it in your neck. So it just filters, filters your blood for 24 hours a day. So he was going through this. And now the reason that I think he's experienced a lot more paranormal stuff like that in the last three years is because he was closer to the veil than I've been. Because at one point, they were like, I was at, I was at work waiting for them, like, give me an update. They called me and said, you know, you need to come. You need to get here and come say your goodbyes. And I was like, what? So I think the reason he's noticed the increase in paranormal around him is because he was that he was so close to the veil at one point.

You know what I mean? So they might have, they might have attached itself to him or something like that. Because I don't, I don't have to say, I don't see the same stuff he does. have the same experiences in my house that he does. Like last year, he had like a seven foot tall black shadow standing in his dining, standing in his kitchen, staring at him.

Yep. I as well, it's like, it felt like sleep paralysis, but like I was laying in bed. I was sleeping like I know I was sleeping, but I, you know the feeling when something calls into the bed with you.

Well, I felt something crawled on top of me and I couldn't move. So I'm trying to force myself away. trying to force myself awake. Finally, my eyes open. There's nothing there. I'm like, all right, that was kind of strange. Fall back of sleep.

It happens again, like immediately. Wake up by this time, it's like 6.30 in the morning, the sun's shining, and didn't really see anything. Laying in bed the next night. And the way I had my chair position, it was on an angle. My TV straight ahead of me. I'm looking at the TV, and at the corner of my eye, I see my chair shift about six inches. That kind of freaked me out. and the eight foot tall shadow,

seven, eight foot tall shadow thing that I seen. It's probably like maybe two o'clock in the morning. The way my hallway was set up, if you walk out of my bathroom, you turn to your right, the kitchen's straight ahead, and there's like a light over the sink,

well, a window over the sink that has a street light right behind it, so you can see right through the street light, see through the window to the street. I walk out the bathroom, I look to the right. I see a figure stand there. I'm like,

I thought, so I shook it off. So, standing, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to bed. My refrigerator at the time was probably six and a half feet. Its shoulders were at the top of my refrigerator. Wow. And then I have the incident that happened a few months ago. This was right after I met the voodoo guy.

The voodoo guy. Yep. Very nice guy, but I'm not in it out or whatever. So I'm laying in bed one night. It's probably like 2 o'clock in the month. morning and I feel something like grabbed me by my by my ankle and yank my leg yank my leg and try to pull me off the bed immediately woke me up started praying didn't happen again but that one made me really really nervous because I'm like okay like something just like something just

happened something really just tried to yank me off something physically grabbed you Yeah. And then I've had like, all right, so on my desk, I have like a bunch of like 3D printed objects I had done and stuff like that. And we're doing a stream one night and I just so happened to have the camera pointing at my desk. And people were seeing stuff on my desk move around during the live screen. The figure, the figures were like turning, it's ever so slightly like paint bottles were turning and stuff like that. It was called during the stream. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Is that is that still up? Yeah. We don't. take down any of our streams. All our streams are still up. I think on myself, screenshots. Yeah, send me the link and, like, where it happens at. And I'll add that link to the description so people can check that out and show them. Now, what was strange about that is, like, it was happening doing a live stream. So I was like, okay, you know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to set these 3D prints up in a certain way. So I know how they are. I took pictures of it. I said, if these things are moved in the morning, when I wait, up, I will take pictures immediately and send them. Sure enough, they were shifted, like majors shifted. Yeah. He sent me the pictures. Yeah. So let me ask you this. Uh, James, you brought this up. Mike, I want your opinion on it, though. So you almost die. James suggested that you, you were close to the veil. Yeah. What, first of all, do you feel the same way, but let me ask you that. Yeah.

Let me ask you, do you feel that way about it? Yeah. Yeah, I really don't remember. I really don't remember much from when they had me under, but like, it's very hard to explain. Like the dreams, some of the wild dreams I was having and this one of the dreams I had that was, that was a constant thing was like being in like an orb type deal like with plastic. all around me. It was very strange and I constantly kept having this dream. For what reason I have no

idea. And I kind of think that was maybe because at one point, like he had swelled up. Like if you touched him like that, you would leave a finger imprint in him. And when he came to, he was

he was like out for like two and a half months before he came to him. When he came to, he woke up and he was strapped to the bed because while he was out, he would try to yank out his own own tubes and everything like that. Oh yeah,

I thought I was an insane asylum. Yeah. And I had to I had to explain to him what was going on because he from, I don't know how long he had been sick up until the point

where I saw him sitting on the couch looking like that. You know what I mean? So it could have been, he could have been in his system for God knows how long, but he's definitely had due to that, I definitely think he's had more paranormal experiences than me.

And due to that, I think the, now we're going to segue way into 03. He's got an object on his foot. Oh, sorry. Okay. Stop, stop, stop. He's got an object to his foot. All right, everybody, stop right there. I'm not going to transition yet.

No, I just want to ask you, though, because do you, feel like because you got close, let's just say it like this, because you got close to the veil, do you feel like that you're able to see things you couldn't see before? Or do you feel like things are coming looking for you because you left where you were and you left it like a, it was like a trace, like a trail. Like you came back and it's like, okay, let's follow them. Like, have you ever thought about that? Yes, I have. And yes, it's the latter where I believe that I was so close to it that something might have picked up on me and I don't know what it is, but like, it doesn't happen very often, but like every couple of months, something strange happens. Like, it might be subtle things like certain things being moved, or it might be something major, like something crawling on top of me or yanking me off my bed or, you know, eight foot tall shadow or like, um, he's seen black crows flying around me.

He's very strange, man. But yes, I do believe that something possibly followed me. And I remember I was talking to a gentleman, like, who had a near-death experience. So I'm talking to him, like, he remembers what happened to him during his near-death experience. So I'm talking to him, I'm asking him, like, do you remember what the devil sounded like? And he said, yeah. And he's like, you know what? I completely forgot about that.

So I keep talking, keep talking for a few more minutes. We get off, get off the chat or whatever. Two minutes after that, like I'm sitting in my room, this springtime, it feels like I just get a cold chill come over me. Like I'm standing outside in five degree weather and a jersey in shorts. My jaw starts, like, you know, when you're so cold, your jaw starts chattering. Like, I was that cold for about 10 minutes. minutes right after talking this guy about a near-death experience. So do you think that that itself was brought on from maybe almost like,

I don't know, like it's weird because I talked to people before that had near-death experiences and like the one lady, I forget her name, Jesse something, I forget, I had her on. I think it was a member show. She talked about she could, because she had she died, she had died. and came back, she was able to identify, like she, it was like a feeling,

like she knew other people, like she could be in the presence and somebody who had a near-death experience and she knew that they were like her. Do you think it was something like that? Like, like, because you were around that person,

like, it was like, I don't know, the world's coming together almost. I think it was more, like, I think it was more just, just bringing up the topic.

It kind of felt like it should have been talked about. So whatever it was basically manifested itself. And it was like, yo, mom's the word on this. Stop bringing it up. Jeez. Well, I'm glad you're talking now, my friend. Let me know if anything bonkers happens just from talking about it.

Does that happen? Like, when you talk about it, does weird things happen? Yeah, every once in a while. Okay. Well, I'll let you know if something that happens behind you. To him, though, to him, though, that means. I don't have to have. I'd have to have my camera pointed out.

I'm like, that's for you to see that. So that's an interesting thing too. And this might be a good sideway into 2003. Because you guys are identical twins. And, you know, you hear stories from people that are twins and how it's just, it's different. Like, like, for you guys, your life is normal. You don't know what it's like not to have a twin. Like, we're weird.

We're different. I'm different. But you hear people talk about how, you know, there's a special connection and bond between twins. And you say that, James, you said that nothing happened to you. I'd be interested maybe as time goes on if you start seeing parallels happening and stuff, like almost like, you know, oh, that guy looks like Mike, but he's not. They tricked me.

I'll tell you this. The morning I found him, right? I was on my way home from UPS. And I did get something said, go check on Mike. Something told me go check on your brother. if he's okay. And when I walked in the house, he was, he looked in delirious. So yeah. Now the whole, that whole, if I hit you where your brother hit feel it type thing, that I think that's complete bull. It's never, I've never felt that. Everybody's like, oh, if I hit him, are you going to feel it?

No, I think that's bull. I don't, it might be that way for some people, but it's not like that for us. Listen, that only happens if you're a Siamese one. That's the only time. That's one. happen. Right. Exactly. Okay, let's take a second and talk about our sponsor this week, which is Hello Fresh. Let me tell you, life is crazy busy, and that's why Hello Fresh can help you with time management. We've been experiencing it ourselves recently at the Merkel household. It is tax season, and tax season sucks so bad. I hate it so much. Running a business sucks sometimes. It used to be easy. You go to work, punch the clock, get your W-2, and you're good. to rock. You go to H&R Block. You don't need anything special and you just get it taken care of.

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Now he's like, you know, Boulay Society stuff. So, but people don't know about the Boulay Society. I'll go down that, I'll have a wholesome other time. But so when I'm graduating high school, you guys had a wild, experience. And if I remember correctly, it wasn't just, was it just you too or was it other people as well? We had a, we had a cousin with us. And, uh, this cousin is, he's born in April. We're born in June. So he's only like two or three months older than us. But we've always been super close. And, uh, so yeah, I'll get, I'll get, I'll, I'm just going to get into it because this rabbit hole has gotten

deeper over like the last year or two. So, This is two thousand, it's back in 2003. And I, at the time, I had a, now my car played a huge, huge part in this. I had a 1990 Honda core two door five speed, right? So it's, but it's late October and late October beginning of November. It's still still, no snow on the ground, still leaves on the trees and everything. So that morning we decided to call my cousin up and he's like, oh, you want to come up and hang out for a little bit, play some video games. And he was like, yeah, all right. So we drove down to his house, which is like a 25 minute ride down the hot, down 17, right?

Made this trip, made this trip thousands of times at my parents' car, us driving it, thousands of times, 25 minute drive tops, right? So we bring him back up here. He lives in Orange County. We come back up to Selwyn County. We hang out at our house for the day. Around like 6.45, we decide we're going to leave. We don't actually leave the house until closer to 7. Now, like I said, it's a 25-minute drive to my cousin's house from my house. So we get on 17. I'm shaking a little bit.

I start shaking every time I tell us. We get on 17. And we're traveling down 17. Now, I'm doing like 70, 75. And we get to this area called Wordsboro. And when you get to Wordsboro, when you get to the top of Wordsboro Mountain, you have a rock face on this side,

on your left-hand side, a rock face on your right-hand side, and then like an overpass. Once you get past to overpass, you start going downhill into Orange County. And after you get, when you start going downhill towards Orange County on the highway, the rock face disappears and you can look off to your left and it's just an expand you can see for miles the skyline there right so i'm doing like 70 we get past this rock face and i look off to look off to left and i see three white lights shaped in a triangle and they're pretty pretty far spaced out like i said we've traveled this road thousands of times and

The reason to call it my attention is because I've never seen that in that area before. So I'm like, what is this? So I look back to the road because I'm doing like 70. I look back again, two of the lights disappeared. So I'm like, what is going on? I look back at the road and I look back at the lights again. Now this, by this time, Mike's paying attention to. He's like, yeah, what are you looking at?

And I'm like, there's three lights. there shaped in a triangle and two of them just disappeared and reappeared so now he sees it and Tony I I don't know why but I've I've went since that since this happened I've gone and clocked the distance between where I saw that light and what else and what happened after that so I see the light we drive down the road and I get this urge I'm like I have to see this thing. I need to see this. So we travel, we continue to drive down the highway. And I'm, I'm horrible with exit numbers, but I can tell you the exit name. We got off the Fair Oaks exit. Fair Oaks, New York. If you want to look it up, you can find, find exactly where it is. We

get off the Fair Oaks exit. When you pull off the exit, you get to the end of the exit, and you can make a left, right? And it'll put you past a little golf, a little gas station. And then you make another left, and it takes you over on overpass over the highway. So I do all this. Now mind you, I'm driving. He's in a passenger seat and my cousin's in the backseat. At the time, I'm not going to lie. I was pretty fat.

I was like 300 pounds. And my cousin was bigger than I was. And he's like 6.2. He's like 350. This all plays into this. So we go over the overpass. And I don't know how I found this area. But after the overpass, we must have traveled like another half mile.

just on some whiny back roads and I I find this spot and when I nose in and I know you're not supposed to nose in the stuff you're supposed to back in right that's what they say back in back in back in I nose in and when I nose in it's this it's a field and on the in this field there's trees on a row trees on your left, row trees on your right. And in the middle of this field, it's just this big ball of white light. And I'm like,

what is this what I'm supposed to be looking at? So I'm being stupid, I turn a car off and I get out. And I open the door and I'm standing there looking at it. And now Mike and my cousin are actually yelling at me. Like, yo, what are you doing? Get back in the car.

And I'm like, I'm sitting on. Like, no, I need to see this. I remember me saying I need to see this. And then I'm watching him for a few seconds. And it, it kind of, it hits me like, I'm like, yo, that thing's getting bigger. So I leaned in the car and I'm like, you know, is that thing getting bigger? And then now they're really spathing. Get in the car now.

And I'm like, it's getting bigger. And then it clicked. It wasn't getting bigger. It was coming closer to the car. Right. So what now remember I told you I two door manual shift car and you know how manual should you know you got to start a manual shift you got to push the clutch down put it in gear and everything like that. I remember getting back in the car and I remember putting the key in the ignition. The next thing I remember after that was being on the back road in Fair Oaks heading.

like into my cousin's town and looking out of my window seeing the that ball of white light like up in the distance like pacing us and then it broke off right so we get to my cousin's house and we we we go inside and my uncle his dad starts chewing us out because we said we're going to be there it's only like supposed to be a 25 minute right we left at like 7 o'clock We didn't get to the house. I didn't notice it, but I'll get to that. We walk upstairs. Normally, me and Mike would have hung out, played some video games and whatnot. But we got chewed out by his dad for being considerably late. He didn't, my cousin didn't really acknowledge it. He just went upstairs to his room.

And me and Mike just kind of took like the tongue lashing and just got back in the car and came back up here. but we really didn't talk about it it was kind of like a somber feeling like you knew something happened but you didn't know what happened and so we just we just didn't talk about it on the way home and like a few days later we're having a conversation he's like yo you know we didn't get the you know we didn't get the burger's house until like 915 I'm like what he's like yeah I looked at the clock we didn't get the burger's house until like 915 So we saw this light initially between 710 and 715 went on the highway. And it took maybe, so from the position that I saw it on the highway to where I got off the exit and back and tracked into that field, it's five miles, five miles.

and I couldn't tell you why I went that way. I really couldn't. But yeah, he was like, you know, we didn't get there until like 9-15. And I'm like, what? And it's just, it didn't start processing. And then I'm like, that's not right. That's not right.

And sure enough, we didn't get back there until, we didn't get to his house until like 9-15. Um, we, uh, so fast forward a few months and we have dreams on the same night. And my dream was really weird. Um, my wife's called put that down right there. But, uh, what happened in the dream that I had? And I, since this dream, I don't have dreams. I only have deja vu now.

In this dream, I was taken off a transport by guys in black garb, handed to two more guys in black military garb, and walked into the side of a mountain. Right. On the same night, Mike had a dream because I called him and I was like, yo, you won't believe this dream I had. On the same night, he had a dream and he told me about his dream. And Mike, you want to tell him what you saw? Yeah, what I seen was, all right. You know, like the metal scaffold thing that has like the great bottom. I was being walked down a tunnel with that on the floor,

but the tunnel walls were extremely smooth. Like you ever see the tunnel boring systems that they talk about where it melts like melts a rock and makes it like glass, like a glass surface around it. That's what the tunnel looked like. So I'm being walked down this tunnel. I can't see who's standing like next to me, but I know there's two like on either side of me. And at the end of this walkway, there's a table in this weird fluorescent light that's just coming out of this room.

Keep going down. Then when I get next to the table, that's when I wake up. Now, so backtrack here a little bit. Now, I told me, my cousin's in the car with us. Now, it's been 20 years. And initially the only thing he would tell us was that he was waking up with like weird scars and stuff. And at one point we all woke up with the same scar, same spot. Right like right here where your shoulder blade and the meat meets your shoulder blade, there was scars.

We all had scars right there. Now, in my instance, it would feel like you know how you ever had to puncture a nail. one of your nails with like a hot needle, it would feel like that in the back, in my back, like there would be a hot needle right there and you would try to scratch it, but nothing would happen.

And it would just, it would sting for like 20 minutes. And then it would dough. And this went on for like a year. And he also has an implant. Remember a few little bit ago when I said, oh, he's got something in his foot.

So I think he had something placed in him in a different spot because he went through that ECMO machine that was filtering his blood constantly it moved and went down to his foot because he's got something the size of

grain of rice in his foot and the crazy part is about it where it's placed in my foot it's underneath one of my veins because I've told people about it was like well have you thought about like getting it checked out getting to remove I'm like technically it hasn't caused me any pain and it's in just such a weird spot that I don't think I can get it removed.

It's like literally underneath the vein in my foot. So the size of grain of rice, right foot. So like I said, it's been, this happened in 03. It's been 20 years and my cousin refuses to talk about it. Like me and Mike have no problem discussing this with anybody, have no problem discussing it. My cousin has been stonewalled. He stonewalls me about it. Like he blames really does blame me for all this happening, which I guess is kind of my fault.

Don't go chasing the lights, everybody. But yeah, I take the full blame for it. Now, the reason we want him to talk is because you've got my point of view. I've heard my point of view. I've heard Mike's point of view. I had we haven't heard his point of view because he's in the back seat he's a 300 pound dude in the back seat if we all got taken how he had to have seen more do you know what I mean because they had to have drug him out of this out of the seat out of the car because it's a two door and he's he was

waiting so he hasn't talked about it and he hasn't he's only recently started warming up to the idea And that's only because last year we did, we were supposed to do an interview with a friend, but he had an issue. So we ended up getting into our getting into what happened to us. And we brought down a remote viewer. And the remote viewer, we've, we've had dealings with him before. And he's really, really accurate. And so we start Explaining start walking him through what happened

And Tony for 20 years I was okay thinking it was It was random The remote view he reviewed that He revealed that it wasn't random It was almost like a setup Like they wanted us there

Because what he revealed I actually It was during live stream I actually, Michael tell you, dude, I went Stonewall and I, I turned the stream off. Like, I couldn't, I, I really had a hard time processing, finding out that it was not random. So what he told us was that that late was kind of like a Venus fly trap trying to get our attention. And when they had our attention, what he saw was that, What he told us was that they had, whatever these things were, they had Mike and myself

sat on a couple of benches, like wherever we were. And they were having like a full on back and forth conversation with us. And my cousin was off in the corner like they wanted nothing to do with him. And When he started revealing that stuff to us It didn't It didn't sit well with me at all And it still

And he was actually able to Remote view the light And he said with his perception That the light was so bright After seeing it, it left Like he was seeing white spots in his eyes For about 10 minutes after this conversation That's how bright the light was that he's seen

So, yeah, um, yeah, uh, I don't, I don't know what to make of this, man. Like, I was okay, like I said, I was okay thinking, oh, oh, random UFO, doctor, and people have often asked, um, like, when we talk about it, it was like, yo, do you guys want to go, do you think about doing like hypnotic regression or anything like that? And I've given it some thought. And I've listened to those Betty and Barney Hill tapes. No thank you. That is some terrifying stuff.

And I just, I don't, I don't know, man. So it happened not too far from Pinebush. You ever hear of Pinebush, New York? No. Pinebush, New York is like the UFO capital of New York. Um, they have the Pine Bush UFO festival there every year. East Coast, say the truth.

Like, I've actually met Travis Walton there. Like, um, but yeah, I just, I don't, I don't know what drove, I don't know what drove me to follow and go find that light. And that's the part that

I guess the part that perturves me so much. because I've like I said, I've seen UFOs my whole life. Oh, oh, yeah, we've seen them, we've had numerous UFOs

sightings where we've been with like seven people who've seen them. And I've never once decided to go chase a light. And we, two hours, having two hours taken away from you. And not knowing what happened in those two hours, that's, it's terrifying.

when you sit down and you really, you really think about it. And I just, I regret, I regret following that, like, you know what I mean? I regret making that decision on that night.

Because it put, it put two people I love in a position that they should have never been in. You know what I mean? Like, so I do take, I do own responsibility for that. It's just,

I guess I guess it was just be being super curious about what this thing could be having like because like I said my dad was into UFOs when we were little and that kind of played a part in and then you see holy crap there's some lights in the sky that I've never seen before and I don't know man I just I constantly apologize to my cousin about because he's still very salty very salty I'm still very old situation well he'll curse me out on a rip wow well I mean the way you're describing things if it wasn't random it was a targeted thing I mean in all honesty and this James it's as somebody who's owning the situation it I wouldn't expect you to come out and say this so I'll say it and you can disagree or agree but it does sound like maybe you wouldn't even had an option of making a decision to follow that light if you guys are being targeted. If you were being targeted for whatever reason, I mean, everybody that's listening this right now is saying, it's because they're twins, maybe, but maybe it's a bloodline thing. Maybe there's probably, there could be tons of different reasons, but if you were being targeted,

there's, there's a very real possibility that you weren't in your right mind to begin with, and you were being drawn to it, not necessarily curiosity got to you. So we have technology today that does voice to skull technology. People say they hear voices in their head. And some people really do hear voices in their head because they're just not mentally there. But some people are hearing voices in their head because we have technology that is being, those voices are being in place there. If we have that technology, whether you think your experiences that you guys had that day was ET or human or a mix of both,

if humans have that technology, I mean, there's, there's a good chance that there's greater technology at play as well that is mind control we know that the i know just been getting to know you guys before we start recording and stuff we know that there's a mass amount of mind control being implemented in the global population right now uh so who's to say that there there isn't a piece of technology that does a very similar thing to get you to do something that you typically maybe wouldn't have done uh the fact that you noticed the lights to begin with i mean the very moment before you noticed the lights, they might have engaged you to get you to notice the lights. It's just something that is possible thing in my mind.

No, now, let's make this clear, guys. I didn't hear any voices telling me to follow the light. It was more of a, to describe it. Like, because last year, I actually took and drove that distance. It clocked how far it was to that. And I, it was, it was. like it was kind of like follow me kind of come follow it was like come follow me without saying it i don't know how it was to describe it um it was just a sensation like you need to go see this

you need to see this up until the point where i was standing outside of the car with the ignition off watching this thing come closer to the car and and uh and recently i found out for my cousin He's actually started to talk a little more that we all basically woke up in different positions down the road. Like when I tell you, I came to driving, I came to behind the wheel driving my car looking out my window. And then he came to like a mile or so down the road. my cousin he didn't come to he didn't like

snap out of it until we were almost like a hundred yards away from his house and that's four miles from where we saw the light from like where we where I woke up driving the car so does he that it was it one of those things where when you guys came to

were you conscious enough in that moment to notice that he wasn't all with it or is that something that he's revealing to you guys guys now. Something he's just told us now. Yeah. Because like I said, when I came, I guess when I came to, I was behind, I was driving. I was behind the wheel of my car driving, looking out the window.

Like I said, I don't, it was a manual car. I don't remember pushing clutch. I don't remember putting the gear in reverse. I don't remember backing up. I don't remember driving that half a mile down these back roads going back over the overpass. I don't remember any of that, dude. I don't.

And it's frustrating. Just to, yeah, just to wake up driving your car. I just, I want to know why. Like I said, I was okay thinking it was random, but coming to find out it's not ran. Well, with everything that the remote viewer was able to reveal from us, he believed that it was more of them. a mixed deal with it was extraterrestrial he's seen extraterrestrial but he also seen people with military garb but he couldn't really make out what the garb was so all right um with the with that idea now i don't have a map in front of me but i think there's probably a good chance that new york state has a deep underground military base somewhere probably in the adirondacks or something like that How far are you from any kind of mountain system like the Adirondacks? We're at the foothills of Catskills.

Yeah. Okay. Like the Catskills is the foothills of the Adirondacks. So we're sitting in the foothills of Catskills. And yeah, and it's, I don't know, man. What was the, what, Mike, what was your situation like when this happened? So James referenced. his weight. Were you around the same size? No. I was probably, at the time, I was probably

6-1, maybe 195, 200 pounds. Okay. All right. So totally opposite of the spectrum there. I want to know why, too. I'm trying to, like, try to figure out why this happened and, you know, what could be the reason, like, is there a marker on you guys? suggest that maybe it was like we were kind of picked up as a control because we all three of us we do have kind of like the same DNA in us like from our parents like my our mother and his his father brother and sister you know what I mean so they might have been like okay so how can you get twins out of these emery like I I just I don't know what the purpose of that side of the family we are the only set of twins. And my mom had 13 brothers and sisters and we're the only set of twins out of

everybody. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder. I don't know. And so this is what you guys were remembering. Now, let's go to the chip idea. Now,

I don't know if people have a hard time fathoming something moving throughout your body like that, but it's absolutely possible. I actually, I hope not, I hope not, but I need to go to a specialist and ear specialist because it's kind of like my job to listen, and I'm starting to lose my hearing in my right ear. And I'm also hearing this vibration sound. And my wife brought up to me that there is this one person not too long ago that she read an arc online.

They lost their contact in their eye and over a long period of time it moved through their sinuses into their ear. And they wound up getting pulled out of their ear. And I lost my contact in my eye about a year and a half ago and I still haven't gotten it out. I don't know where it is in my body. And so I'm starting to get concerned that it might be in my ear at this point. And I'm kind of hoping it is that way it's an easy fix. Just pull that sucker out, you know. but so with the

idea of something moving throughout your body it's definitely possible it doesn't seem logical it's not because it's like how is that even possible it's especially if you have something pushing the blood throughout your body that makes sense that it would move

and you'd have it there now but on that note you have something in your foot but James do you have any bump or something that you know of other than the scar that would say that you have something in your body yes I have something in size of a BB in my right shin

Like I've taken video of it Like there's a gentleman named Sean Graham that we associate with Yeah I sent him the video like I was when I just I didn't even notice I was sitting there putting lotion on one morning and I'm like what is that? And I touch it and sure enough it's It's like a little BB underneath the right in my shin that you can move around and maneuver and everything like that that. Wow. And so it's not like it's not attached to you. It's something that's floating inside. But it hasn't moved in a year from the year I noticed it. So it must be attached like some muscle tendons or something there because I can I can feel it right now. I can run my shit and feel it.

Wow. That's interesting. I remember the first time I showed my brother the thing of my foot. I was on the phone talking to somebody. I was like, hey, come here. Let's feel this real quick. I was like, what does that feel like? It feels like a BB. Oh, yeah. He's like, what, where, how did that come from? And it completely freaked them out. I thought I told them about it.

But I guess I never did. No, you did not. No, you did not. What kind of twins do I have here? You guys are supposed to like, you know, telepathic thinking and all this woo-woo stuff. And you guys are just like, that stuff's not. I don't, I don't think that telepathy between twins is real. I don't think that is.

I mean, you might get a sick. You might get a sense like something's off, but I don't think the whole, I don't think that works. But yeah, my cousin. Now, after he's had, his kids are older than mine, right? And there's been, my kids haven't really told me like anything weird. But when his were younger, his daughter would used to say that, I forgot how she termed it. The little people would mess with her fingers at night.

And people. Yeah. They would mess with her fingers at night. And both of his daughters would say that. Like, my kids never say anything. So I don't know. And I've never really,

like, ask them if they, do you guys feel anything weird or anything at night? So, but yeah, and I kind of think that's one of the reasons why he clamped up. because of his kids. And he's only recently in like the last two weeks started to want to talk about it.

And he's still very, very standoff, standoffish about it. So you guys are kind of like in the middle of dealing with this as far as like, I mean, it happened 20 years ago, but you're still trying to uncover answers and you're thinking it through still. I mean, this is not like a conclusive thing. Like, here's what happened to us. This is why it happened case closed. You guys are still in this progress where you're trying to figure it out.

We're finding out that. We just found out another cousin that we've, we really haven't talked to him in like 20 years because he moved down to Florida. But he's been having the same experiences down there. Like he said, we linked up. And the first thing he sent us was this video of, it was outside of his job. It was a cloaked triangle.

He sent us a video and a picture. were taking a year apart. And he's been experiencing the same stuff that we've been experiencing. We just never know about it because he was down in Florida. And come to find out that his father, there's something a little weird about his dad. They did three of those Ancestry.com DNA searches on him. All three of those came back inconclusive. I've never heard of that.

All three of them came back inconclusive. And his dad would used to talk about they put something between his finger and his thumb, like right here. And there was a few instances, a few stories that he told us that what happened to him when he was younger. Like one evening, my cousin that lives down in Florida, his dad, when they lived up here, when he was younger, they were on their way to the lake. And they saw a being made of light. and they were like, you know, being a little ghetto kids, you know, like, oh, let's go catch it.

Right? So they ran back to the house to get their flats, went back to the house to get their nets, came back, and when they got back, it wasn't gone, but they saw a craft lift, like maybe 50 yards away, a small little craft lift off

and take off into the sky. Like, we've been finding out so many different stories regarding our family. including our father's side of the family. An instance that happened to my dad is one night he was where he used to work at what they call the infirmary. And he had to have his father come pick him up because he said he saw Grays coming through the wall for him. And he would not leave that office until his dad came and got him.

Then he woke one night. My mother told me that he woke up screaming that they were coming to get him. Like, the stuff we've been finding out is so weird. Like, my mom had tons of Whitley Streber books, like the secret school books. Books on the Bermuda Triangle. Like a whole bunch of weird audio cassettes that used to deal with, like, UFO experiences and paranormal stuff like that. it so in it's going to get a little weird here now

all right so remember in the beginning you show remember in the beginning of show when I was talking when we were talking about the the woman whose son had the dogman experience so I've had a conversation with her about this now her daughter is also pretty talented they don't she don't she doesn't like to put her daughter out there

with this stuff though. But they, they like us. So they went and they went and looked it up. And they saw, what they saw was that our mother was trying to protect us from something. Like, what she said was that somebody in the family had an ability.

And that they were, must more or less chastised for it and she didn't want that happening to us so that's that it's like I said man it's so weird what's going on we're still finding out so much about our weird family and I'm I'm starting to think that maybe the stuff that went on with our family before we were born stuff going on and might have played a part in what happened to us in 03 because you got the three

both sides like I don't know like I said I'm still trying to work this whole I'm still trying to work this out and it hurts my head every time I think about it

it really does just trying to fathom why the who the what um to all the kind of guilt about the whole situation. Well, yeah, I mean, you went in a direction that I was kind of thinking, too.

And it's one of those things where it seems like there's something in the lineage, at least off the cuff. I mean, it just seems like there's something that's making your blood, line targeted. And I think the more people that you guys get within the family talking, I think, the more you're going to hear similar things happening to people, I think you need to stop with the guilt stuff. I really don't think it, I really don't think it's your fault.

If this is something that's probably happened to a lot of people in your family that aren't even talking about the stuff. And don't assume that people in your family know what you're doing and stuff as far as your YouTube channel because I just found out that there are some people in my family didn't know what I was doing and I've been doing it for six years and it's just you know so

I don't know this this is something that I just have so I feel like there's just so many unanswered things and I know you guys feel the same way definitely and the fact that yeah he my cousin has got into it he's starting to

start to peek his interest but he still hasn't talked yet. He still hasn't told us what he saw in the backseat. And I think that's, I think that's crucial to finding out because I'm of the mind like, say something happens, right? And like this happened. Me and Mike are talking about it, right? But our cousin, he put it out of his mind. I think if we start talking about it with him and the fact that we were in the same situation, being that he took. the being that he put it out of his mind for 20 years. If he really starts talking to us about this,

if he really starts talking to us about this, it's going to start coming back to him. We actually had him go back and listen. Actually had him go back and listen to the interview that, well, when we had to remote viewer on, and he was listening to it. And he, like, he was just texting us while we were doing the show. He was getting very emotional about what he was hearing.

And that He cursed me out and said, yeah, I want to know. He cursed me out and said, yes, I need to know now. But he needs to know, but he still hasn't. So has his reservations about it. For me, I need to hear that. I need to hear what he saw. And it just, it hasn't happened yet.

And that's one of the frustrating things about it. Um, because you can't, they're not going to be able to put this puzzle together if we don't have all the pieces. And that's a major piece that's missing. Like, like I said, I've, I've got Mike's side,

Mike's heard my side. There's another piece to this triangle that's missing. And he hasn't talked yet. And it's, my bad, man, I'm getting a little emotional here thinking. Uh,

it's, it's, it's, It's frustrating, but you know what? I've been I've been chipping at him for a while now. So one day he comes in my job. And I'm like, yeah, yo, so when are you going to come on and talk? And you know when you ask somebody a question,

they get that look on their face like they want to, like they're just thinking like, damn, should I? He had that look in his face. That's when I knew I had him. Then I told him about what happened with the Rov View. He's like, all right, send me the link to the episode. So he was listening to it. And now I'm pretty sure.

I want to say I'm 75% sure he's willing to talk, but I just have to narrow him down a little bit more to, like, actually set a date where we could, like, meet up and just listen to what he remembers. Because I'm pretty sure he said that he tried to block it out, but going back, listening to the remote viewer, he was actually able to remember a few things. He hasn't told me what those things were yet, but I'm pretty sure he's almost ready to spill the beans on it from what he can

remember. I think that, if he's willing to do that, I think you guys need to get together in the same room to do it and just hear each other out. It might be a very healing thing as well. Because he's, like you said, James, there's a missing piece. If he starts talking and stuff, I think that that might be a very healing thing for the three of you to go through since you all went through to the initial experience together. Well, with me, I come to the conclusion, like, you know what?

It happened. Okay, I would like to know more about the situation, but it doesn't, it, I don't lose sleep over it. If, that might be a bad way to say it, but like it happened. Now I just got to try to get the details on the facts and try to put together the pieces. But it is. And personally, I believe that it's affecting my brother and my cousin a little more is because they have children.

And if this stuff follows in the lineage, their kids are going to have to deal with it. Or experience something. That's one thing I am worried about, this happening to this happening to my kids. because I seen what it's I seen what it's done my cousin you know I mean I saw what it did to me for like the first couple of years that that happened and I don't want my kids to go through that I don't want my kids to be subject to whatever the hell they did you know what I mean like if if I could rewind 20 years

I had just kept on the highway. And I say that truthfully, I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I would have kept driving. I would not have got off that road. Yeah. Well, I can understand that. I mean, with my kids, I look at my kids, and especially my son, because he looks so much like I did.

And trying to just, I mean, not on this stuff, but just in general. like I've had these ideas where I've tried to prevent my son from going through what I went through as a kid. And it kind of breaks my heart when I see him going through some things that, you know, emotionally I can connect with. I know how I felt, you know, 30 years ago. And it kind of breaks your heart. And it breaks your heart also as a parent to know that this stuff aside, you know when you're sitting there and you're thinking about watching your kids grow up. You know they're going to go through heartache. and you want to protect them from that,

whether it's a girl that breaks their heart or, you know, you passing away and them having to go through that. Like, you know there's going to be heartache in that child's life, and you just want to protect them from it. So when you're going through this, I can only imagine what you're feeling.

Like, how do you, how can you protect your kids from the supernatural? I don't, just, I don't think you can. And that weighs heavy on me. Like, you know what I mean? I don't want them going to the same thing. I don't want them experiencing the same thing.

I don't want them waking up and saying the same thing that their cousins said that people, that little things were in their room messing with them at night. It's just, why? What was the purpose of this? And we were also told by an individual that we trust very much that we are still being followed and tracked to this day. The description was the description that was given of these things was they said they look like the aunt people. But he said the fly people. Yeah, the fly people, sorry.

And the reason that is the description of because talking. to this thing is like talking to a child and that was the best way they could describe it. They said the fly people because of the eyes. I don't know what the hell. Sorry, I don't know what it was. I don't know. I just know it was a ball of white light and I'm missing some time and I'm starting to get really, really, really pissed off about it. because every week I'm finding out new stuff

and it's just like Tony you want to see a genuine reaction man I'll send you the link to that show we did dude I shut it down I couldn't take it anymore and it's just because I feel it's my fault it is like I know I know everybody's

oh you're not guilty about it because I was going to drive in a car yeah like you know what I mean like that was the I was the one driving car. I was the one that turned the car off. I was the one that got out of the car. I'm a little Travis Walton experience, I guess.

Just. And I've apologized to Bass and my cousin, to Mike and my cousin about this. It's just, I don't know what to think about this, man. You can't think of it as your fault, because if it was set up, that was perfect.

done. So it's it it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Been 20 years, but don't beat yourself up about it. I'm just happy now we're getting the information. Yeah, for sure. I mean,

you want answers. You're moving in the right direction. Mike, when that night happened and he follows the light, at what point did you start feeling like we need to get out here. Like you were saying we need to leave,

but at what point did the curiosity die off? And it's like, okay, we need to roll. So now we, when he first noticed, like, I'm still looking at the road. I keep seeing him like, look over to the left. So it kind of caught my attention. I'm like, all right, what's he looking at? So I look over, I see the light.

That's strange. I'm watching for a couple of minutes. So then we end up going down the road. Now I see him put on the blinker to get off the exit. And I'm like, what are you doing? So I want to see it. I want to see it. What are you doing?

I want to see it. All right, go ahead. I said go ahead. So we get off the eggs. We go down the road. We park. Now, we've been down this road, like, within like the last two of the years that we've seen this. The whole area is built up now.

Like, there's houses on both side of the road. There's no longer woods there where it happened. So I'm sitting in the car. He gets out. I'm seeing this bright light come from. left the right. I'm watching it. I'm like, like, what the hell is that?

And he leans in the car, says, yo, do you see this? It looks like it's getting brighter. And I start yelling at him. Getting the car, getting the car is coming towards us. That's why I was getting brighter. Keep yelling at him. Keep yelling at him. He eventually gets in the car, but then I don't remember anything after that until I woke up

maybe two or three miles down the road. But it's distinctly, remember seeing the white light. And it kind of reminded me of being like a, I know it's a cliche term, but like a deer in headlights. Like how people down in the swamp spotlight frogs and they grab them. That's kind of what, that's kind of the impression that I got from it. That's the, that's actually probably a good, good way to describe it because, what the heck are they doing out there? My lord, sometimes I wish I

had my own building and not just running an office space. I don't know if people could hear that, but holy crap, loud banging. But the deer in the headlight look, and that's the, because I mean, deer, it's like they're hypnotized by the light. And it's like, you know, and so that that goes back to what I was saying earlier. You might have, I'm going to say like this because I can't help myself. I just got to take the opportunity to say, you were blinded by the light, okay? So like you just were. Like, I mean, you look out the window, you see the light and all of a sudden clarity is gone.

And you're now doing what you're supposed to do according to that, whatever it was, not by what your normal state of mind would be. James, your reaction of saying, I want to follow this light. I want to go check it out. Is that a normal reaction? Are you typically a curiosity, a person that is driven by curiosity? No. Like, yeah, no.

No, I'm not the one to go follow stuff. I'm not to go. I want to go out looking for that type of stuff. Never had. Didn't do it before. haven't done it since. So it's outside your character. You got,

you got very much. Like if I see, like if I see something in the sky, I'm not going to be like, oh, I need to go, let's go see where that thing lands. I'm not even like,

oh, all right, that's, that's weird. But for that instance, for, I don't know, however long it,

however long it took from, I needed to see that. Like, I, that's all I can, that's the best way I can see. It was a need. I don't know any other way to describe it.

Well, you know what's strange on the flip side is that like some people wish to have these kind of encounters. And then there's some people that that happens to them and they just like this life change. careful what you wish for. Careful what you wish for. Yeah. Like I said, if I could, I go back 20 years. I wouldn't,

I would have kept driving down the road. I wouldn't have stopped. I probably wouldn't even look out the damn window, honestly. Well, you're here now. Yeah. It brings us to this point where we're talking about,

brings us to the point where we're talking about UFOs and Bigfoot and cryptids and everything else. So I guess it's some goods come out of it. I don't know. Right after the experience, right after the experience, we like, I mean, we deep dived on the rabbit hole of UFOs, aliens, conspiracies. I mean, a deep dive for years into the subject.

Anything, anything regarding like the military, UFOs, underground, basis, anything along those lives, we just ingested it. Like, just gobbled it all up. And like I said, this is in the early 2000s. A lot of this information that we researched back then, you can't find nowadays. Like it, yeah. So almost like it's being censored. Yeah.

Like, you remember, you're old enough. You've heard of the Mon Talk project, right? Oh, yeah. The experiments in mind control and everything like. What happens when you Google Search and Mind Talk project right now? You get a million links for stranger things. Yeah. Not the information you're looking for.

Controlled sciops. Yep. But, yeah. No, I, that's our missing, that's our missing time story that we're still getting more information out of going 20 years on. That's wild. Yeah, I think you guys should keep poking around. if you want the answers. It sounds like you guys do. And I had a weird missing time experience when I was in high school, and it wasn't anything

UFO related, I don't think. And I think I've said it on the show before briefly, but we went to the basketball courts to play basketball. And I remember, like, I had like an hour, and I had to be done an hour. And we played, probably played the 21 back then. I think it was up to 21. And we played one game. And when that game was over, we were well past an hour.

And I was like, that's impossible because boy can shoot. Like what was going on here? Like, I was like, how am I out of time already? And I remember talking to the guys about it. I'm like,

yo, like this is weird. And none of them wanted to talk about. None of them, like, I don't know. Like, some of them I thought it was weird and they're just like, oh, whatever stuff. Like, nobody seemed to think it was weird like I thought it was weird. Yeah. And, but that's the only, that's, that's my little missing time story.

Nothing ever came of it. I don't know. Like, I, I, you guys, what you guys went through and stuff, I think there's probably answers out there to uncover if you keep digging. Now, just, like I said, don't it, there's a lot of, there's a few other things that, transpired after this experience. Like waking up in different clothes. That's happened us numerous times.

Waking up in each other's clothes, clothes on backwards. How long after? Like, is it still going on or does it happen just shortly after? This happened, this happened for a few years after the, after that sighting. Nothing like that's happened

lately or in like last 5, 10 years. But then again, I work so much and I'm like when I'm tired, I'm tired. So I just completely oblivious to if anything fishy is going on now. And that more so happened like

around that time that this happened me and him like we were sharing a room. So that explains like why that would happen. But right now we live I wouldn't, but I'm probably like maybe a 10 minute walk from herself so i don't think of what happened right now per se but every once in while i do wake up with like my shirt on backwards or like my my pajama pants on backwards or something like that wow okay so that is uh as an obvious sign that you guys are still having an

ongoing situation here well they better hope i don't wake up in the middle of it you probably have you just don't remember it i'm sorry supposed to say something comforting. I'm trying to think could that have possibly been my sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis episode, like, could that have played a part in that? But it was so strange because I felt something crawling on me, not standing next to me. I'm still trying.

It's still just, I'm okay talking about it. Like, I seem like I'm okay talking about it. It's just when I actually just sit down and start wrapping my mind around it and the whole, the whole situation, it's just, it's very perturbing, to say the least. Because I'm almost 39 years old. I can account for about 98% of the time I've spent on this earth, except for that two hours. And I don't have any. I don't I'm not getting an answer that I want for that and but then it'll probably never get an

answer because oh no you could get your answer I'm not I'm not doing hypnotic regression it's not you want you answer so that's the best way to get it well about you like why don't you do it no because I've already told me that it happened no you're the one that wants to tell the no you're the one that wants a deep dive into the information and like see what really happened. I'm to the point where it's like, okay, it happened. Like, because dude, I was like being non-salam, but like it happened. Like, yes, I would like to know information. Do it want to know where really happen. So I have nightmares for the rest of my life? Absolutely not. When you find, listen, when you find out you've been

manipulated, it's a whole different thing. All right. When you find, when you think something's just random and then you find out, oh, you were guided by a mysterious hand, it kind of pisses you off a little bit. And I'm aggravated by it. I'm aggrated by it. I know, but you weren't the one driving.

It comes down to the guilt. It comes down to the guilt for you, James. You just keep, you keep going back down to this. That seems to be a distinguishing factor between the two of you. They sound about your cousin,

but it seems like you're driven by the guilt of the situation because you all went through because you drove over there and Mike has accepted. Why is this turning into counseling time with Tony? First of all, this is, call me the paranormal counselor.

But, no, but seriously, like, I mean, it seems like Mike, his perspective is it happened, you know, and he's not placed to blame anywhere. But because you're the one that did it and got everybody else involved, you're carrying a weight on your shoulders that they're not carrying because they're not the ones that took everybody there. You need to forgive yourself, my friend. I've been telling him that. Listen, let me fly. If they let me fly one of the UFOs, I'll forgive them. Yeah, yeah.

If it was a setup, you can't be mad at yourself. I mean, there's nothing. Can't be yourself. There's nothing I can really do about it now. Like, actually, not I think we, not I think we're targeted. I just, I want the information. I want to know why. Why was street? Why did you work whatever you work to get me to follow your little ball of white light?

What was the real? What was the real meaning of that? Because it wasn't, was it that we saw something we weren't supposed to see? I don't know. Because, no, I don't think that are. I don't keep, sorry. I don't know. See, no, I don't think so.

I think it follows with what Tony says along with the lineage. Like, think about it. We have 13 aunts and uncles, and we are the only set of twins out of all of our cousins. And I mean, like, we have a ton of cousins. We're the only set of twins on either side of the family. Yeah. So, yeah, that's the Watton abduction story. all right well

well that's the show everybody no seriously though let's let's let's let's let's let's let the people know where they can find your stuff here and I'm going to put links in the description send me the links to one the stuff moving in Mike's place and also the

the kill the switch episode where you cut the live stream but it's an impromptu truth on YouTube. I'll put the link in the description of that, uh, of this episode. And, uh,

maybe by the time this airs, you'll have already talked to your cousin and even brought them on your show. I'm going to try to nail them down for this weekend and see what we can do. But, uh, man, thank you for having us on, joining.

It's been a pleasure. I'm a huge, huge fan of your show, bro. Well, I wouldn't have known it the way you guys talked, talked to talk to me so much at the conference. Oh, man.

You were moving and shaking down there, man. Yeah, man. Like, we didn't want to interrupt. You had your thing going down there. I didn't know who you guys were. I was like, oh, they must be important guys. So I was just going to let them go to. No, we got a little rinky-dinky YouTube channel.

I was actually surprised when Josh asked us to come up on that panel at the end. Where was Tina, vault and all you guys. It was like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah. We'll hop up there with you. We didn't really say a word up there, but it was fun anyway. Yeah, that was a good time. But yeah, anyways, guys, I appreciate you being on here. And it was, this was a good conversation.

And I just think that, you know, you got a lot of things to work out still, individually and as a group. But I think you're going to get answers soon. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy, please share the show with your friends. I don't care where or how you share the show. Just share the show.

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