The Confessionals - 544: Beasts and Portals of Hockomock Swamp

Episode Date: May 9, 2023

In Episode 544: Beasts and Portals of Hockomock Swamp we are joined in the studio by Phil Anderson! Phil was a guest on The Confessionals in the early days of Episode 50: Haunting Stories of Onset, Massachusetts. He is also heard in the show intro when he says, "Dude, he slithered over to me." Phil and I went to college together and he played a big role in building up my confidence when starting this show and now I return the favor as he is now diving into paranormal investigations with his YouTube channel. He goes by Exploring With Phil and he started out doing Randonautica videos and then migrated into doing more paranormal investigations in the Bridgewater Triangle area of New England. He heavily focuses on the Hockomock Swamp which its been known to have tons of paranormal and cryptid activity as it is also known as The Devil's Swamp. Phil has caught a lot of EVPs while investigating and has seen a black "wolf" in the light of day. In the same area he has heard the "metal door" sounds on two occasions and one of those times the experience lasted about 25 minutes. He comes on today to share about his journeys hunting down the unknown in the Hockomock Swap in the Bridgewater Triangle. Subscribe to Exploring With Phil: https://www.youtube.com/@canadiandutchboysWatch Exploring With Phil's Top Videos: The Paranormal Portal of The Hockomock Swamp: https://youtu.be/7OuFtyOCJD4 Top 10 Bridgewater Triangle Moments: https://youtu.be/vHfoxD37sXk Anawan Rock, Bridgewater Triangle “Leave...Go Home…Leave”: https://youtu.be/JrEby2sSXZ0 The Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:1. Smoky Mountain Bigfoot ConferenceTickets: https://bit.ly/3l1wZHR2. LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 free meals plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvetOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - Agartha (feat. Nergui)YouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Merkel Medios This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill but no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door curl up to grab it and then disappear

When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two small, really, I'm getting pulled off

the best bush, and couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Yep, yep. Welcome to the show, everybody, you're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy, wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is contact at theconfessionalspodcast.com. That's contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section, and you can reach me that way as well.

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people are digging. Phil, you're in studio here. Did you get a chance to check out the app? Absolutely. That's right. I have a downloaded. I'm using it. I like, but I like about it the most, if you don't mind. I like the, um, how it's sectioned off by what, uh, like paranormal, uh, cryptid and all, like, you can basically hair, you know, choose whatever topic you want to like look at or discuss or post in and then post it. And I, so I've been posting in the paranormal one talking to people,

listen to people's stories. So I think it's a great idea, great a community, great app. I love it. Awesome, man. I appreciate it. I wasn't sure if I had you do a beta test or not. And I think it did. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Anyways, we got Phil Anderson. here in studio. So we'll get to him in a second. Let's just get through the business real quick. That was random and unprofessional, but it's okay. It's my show. I can do what I want. Anyways, if you want to go ahead and check out the app, you got to be a member. But if you're a member and you haven't checked out the app, what are you waiting for? Go ahead, download it and get involved in the community on the app, plus listening to all the member episodes right there.

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your vehicles in case the world ends. You can still drive around and watch all the things burn. All right, friends, this week we have Phil Anderson in studio. Phil, what's going on, man? Not much, man. Thank you for having me on the show. It's just an incredible opportunity for me to share some of my paranormal experiences in the last year from my YouTube channel that I've been doing. Actually, a little over you now, but yeah. Yeah, man, I'm excited to get into it. We got a lot to talk about. Dude, like, we got a lot to talk about. And this is so fun because you and I went to college together. And you were on episode 50. You're in the intro. Dude, it slithered or he slithered over to me. That's you. And listen, I love the fact that I live somewhere now where I can say, hey, why don't you come on vacation down here and then hop in the studio?

That's true. That's true. And that's what I did. Yeah, that's exactly. And this place is, you know, Tennessee is incredible. I've never been here before. So my first time here, the mountains. I mean, I've been to New Hampshire, Maine, where I've seen mountains and stuff. But the mountains down here. absolutely stunning. And the beauty here is unbelievable. I love it. You picked a great spot to have your headquarters at because this is an incredible state. Man, I love it here. And, you know, I was telling you when you first came in that everywhere I go around here, I see the smokies. And it's just been, it's been an incredible transition. But one nice thing is that a lot of people go on vacation to Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge, and other places here in Tennessee, obviously, but Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg, I mean, it's an hour from my studio.

So it's easy to say, hey, bring your family on vacation, take a good vacation, enjoy yourself, and then spend a few hours with me in the studio and get some stuff done, you know? Yeah, that's right. It was absolutely perfect. Yeah, because I brought, you know, Nicole, my fiancee with me and she, you know, so we're enjoying Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg. And, you know, it's great. And I'm going to be filming a couple of videos as well. Nice.

The AFK discussions guys, I'm going to be doing a couple of videos with them. So that's going to be cool. So it's like mutually beneficial. It's like, get the YouTube stuff. and some fun at the same time. I mean, it's the perfect combination of those two things. It's the, that's the hustle, man. That's the hustle. Like, that's the kind of mindset I had whenever I was starting everything. Like, everything I did, I was like, how can I make content out of it, you know? I got to tell people before we get into our discussions. Now, first of all, you started a YouTube channel, what did you say about a year ago?

Yeah, a little over a year ago. And give people a rundown as to what it's all about. So my YouTube channel, I would say it's different than what it started. I basically started. of doing Randonautica videos essentially because at the time Randonautica was very, very popular. And I saw a lot of YouTube videos out there that were kind of like exaggerated. And I'm like, okay, so what is really going on?

Is this app evil? Does this app take you to evil spots? You know, is there something paranormal going on with it? Yeah. So that was kind of my initial interest. And obviously I have interest in the paranormal ghosts and exploring and as far as a ban of buildings and stuff. So I kind of had that mindset, mostly the Randonautica to start. But as time, went on, I basically kind of got rid of, well, not get rid of, I started to move away from

Mennonautica and more so into a paranormal investigator primarily. So, you know, doing ghost hunting and going into different areas that are allegedly haunted, primarily Bridgewater Triangle, which has an incredible amount of history and tons of paranormal hot spots to check out. So basically, that's pretty much what my YouTube channel is now. I do weekly videos every single week. I go somewhere different. That's in the Bridgewater triangle, either I'm exploring abandoned house or I'm checking out an old battlefield or Huckamuck Swamp, Freetown State Forest, you name it.

That's pretty much what I do. And it's really cool. I mean, I've been watching you grow over the last year and posting your stuff and you're very consistent. You're giving people a lot of content. And the only reason why that's possible is because you enjoy it. And that's

just the way it is. And so I'm glad to see you having fun. I got to tell people, and I've talked about this throughout the years over time, especially when I'm on other people's shows and like, how did the show start and, you know, how did you build a show, all that stuff, right? Well, I'll tell the audience, you play a big role in this show's success. And it's because when I first started the podcast, somehow you and I had gotten reconnected at the beginning. And I was aware, I found out, or maybe I knew you had a podcast and I asked for pointers or something.

And I remember, I'll never forget this because it was such a target mark for me. You said, if you can make it eight episodes, you're cooking, you're good. And back then I was like, eight episodes, that is a challenge. Like, I was like, I don't know if I can do this two weeks, let alone eight weeks straight. And, you know, I had this, you know, this idea that I was going to be on a schedule and I was going to be consistent. I'm never going to miss a week kind of thing. And if I do, if I missed one week, I probably would have quit because I was like, go, okay, well, you know, this isn't working, you know.

It's too much for me. I can't do it. Right. Or somebody, like, I don't have enough people to talk to, you know. I'm not going to sit here and just talk. I need somebody to talk to, you know. And so I remember creeping up on eight weeks and I hit that eight week mark and I felt like a champ. I was like, I freaking did it. You know, because like when I first started, I mean, you were the veteran podcaster. And I was like, Phil said if I could do eight weeks, I'm cooking. And I made it eight weeks. And I was like, well, all right, let's see if I can do that again. So I did another eight weeks and another eight weeks.

And eventually it was a year. And it was just so cool because, you know, somebody that I met in college, my freshman year, had such a key role in the psychological aspects of starting a podcast for me that led to where we're at now. I mean, literally, I probably wouldn't be in Tennessee right now if it wasn't for podcasting because I still be in truck driving in Philadelphia, hating my life, being severely depressed. People don't understand how depressed I was driving truck. I mean, I enjoy driving, but it was being alone all the time, being away from my family, missing birthdays. Like, I was severely depressed.

And every week, I would turn on the microphone, like, welcome to do the show, everybody. I'm so happy. And then I turned off, I'm like, I hate myself. You know, like, I'm dying inside. I would be calling my wife at work crying because I'm just like, I fell off the truck again. My back is broken again. Can I quit my job? And she's like, nope.

I'm like, I hate my life. So, yeah, I just wanted to kind of talk and say thank you for your inspirations early on because it was a huge factor for this show's success. And so thank you. You're welcome, man. At any time, honestly, you know, it's so weird to think back, yeah, because back then I was doing the Phil and Alex show back then. And I had been doing it for like two or three years. And I think you're right.

I think it was one of our mutual friends. I think it was Todd or something. Was it told you were asked. You were talking to him about starting a podcast or something. And then he had mentioned to you, oh, Phil does a podcast. Ask him. I got you. And I think that's how.

That makes sense. Yeah. I remember seeing his Instagram following. And I remember talking about, like, how'd you get such a big Instagram following? Right. I was trying to build up my social medias and stuff. Yeah. And I think he said he was blogging for Mashable or something like that.

Yeah, at the time. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. He was kind of like in that clout game for a little while back in those days. Yeah. Or mid, I guess, 2010, 15, something like that. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah, do time flies too. I can't believe it's been this long since you've been

going and going strong. It's crazy. No, you've built literally an empire here. So, well, it's a little kingdom. Yeah. And we're trying to expand like the Roman Empire. That's right. It's nothing wrong with that. We're working on it, okay? I'm not trying to be as ruthless as the Roman Empire. But yeah, I'm definitely trying to expand and grow. And I think that The spot that I'm at is a good spot because we have Nashville three hours west. And that's a huge mecca for country music, music, even now film and with the Daily Wire there, all that stuff, the films that they're doing. But then there's Atlanta, and that's about two, three hours away, and that's a huge mecca

for music and industry, shooting films, things like that. So why not make it the entertainment triangle, you know, and put some heat on Knoxville? So we're going to become the YouTube slash podcaster Haven. And it's going to be a bunch of weirdos walking the streets, filming dogman everywhere. It's going to be great, you know? Nothing wrong with that. No, that's awesome.

All of some, the people in Knoxville, they're going to be like, we never heard of this dog man thing until this Merkel media showed up. And now everybody's seeing Dogman everywhere. It's like a Merkel media effect. That's right. Just wait 10 years. You know, I remember 10 years ago how people used to make fun of people like you that used to go off to Sasquatch and stuff.

talk about us and now you go into any shop there's like the Sasquot stickers there's the one where he's got like the tooth you know like yeah you know what I mean devil horns yeah yeah yeah like 10 years now there'll be dog man things everywhere now you know it'll be the same way

it'll be like everyone to be talking about it it'd be more accepted and stuff like that it's funny ever since I've come out with the the film exhibition dogman I've becoming more and more somebody that people are coming to about their dogman stuff but it's not like a ton it's not like

every week I'm getting tons of dogman stuff. But it's becoming more common, way more than it used to be. And it's one of those things where, you know, I'm not complaining about it at all. I like it. I like the topic. But I'm noticing that the, not just dog man, but in general, the aura around what I'm doing seems to be heading towards, like, almost like dog man cryptids, the woo-woo, where it's like they're more than just physical. and you know it's like I saw a dogman walk out a portal you're on the show let's talk about it yeah because I and I think it's because of my personal interest I

noticed that the show and the episodes go in a direction whenever I'm hot about something and because of the information that I've been receiving over the last couple of years and things that I really feel like I'm becoming a knower on as much is much less of a I thinker about it you know it's like I'm pretty sure I know this is true yeah when that happens I get really invested in topics. And so when things come across the desk, I'm like, get that person on now. Yeah, definitely. So.

No, and you're doing some great work with the dogman stuff. Like I said, the documentary was huge, you know, as far as getting that out there. Like I said, I think it's one of those things that people don't, it's not as popular as some of the other ones, you know. Yeah. So I think it's definitely interesting and important to get it out there because, you know, it's obviously happening because there's people that have experiences. Yeah. It's wild stuff, man. But let's start migrating into the stuff that you're here about, the conversation at hand is your, would you call yourself an investigator?

Yeah, I would call myself a paranormal investigator. Okay. Yeah. I wasn't sure what to categorize you as because I look at you as like a utility tool. Because I think that you're more than capable of handling an urban exploration. And I feel like you're somebody that would be really cool to watch grow because I think you're exploring a lot of different avenues. And I think there's a huge potential in an empty void really for people who are just going out, putting themselves in environments and being aware of the paranormal in those environments. You know, like you go to an abandoned building, you know, and you bring.

Like, for instance, in Pennsylvania, I had done an exploration video on the abandoned industrial complex in Pottstown, PA. And, you know, a lot of people go in there to do urban exploration and explore empty buildings. And it's like, oh, that's cool for whatever. But what if you up it and you're like, let's explore empty buildings and also see if they're haunted, you know? Well, you know, yeah, do you know what you're right? And sometimes, Tony, the paranoia finds you. I believe it. It's funny you mentioned this because literally

probably it was Christmas time. So it was Christmas time. I had some time off. I was like I wanted get back into some more abandoned buildings. I've been doing a lot of paranormal videos. I just wanted a break from doing paranormal videos. Number one because it just takes a long time to edit them rather than like an exploration

video where it's just... Visual. Yep. And it's simple cuts, maybe some music. There's not a lot of editing that goes into it, you know? But as paranormal videos, there's a lot more editing. I got to listen to audio recordings. I got to, you know, listen to the spirit box over and over again and make sure I got all the words that are pop. You know, there's just a lot more work that goes into it. So I go, I check out this abandoned house, a viewer of mine's like, hey, I know where this place is.

It's kind of like near your area. Let's, you know, go check it. You can go check it out. I was like, okay, cool. I'll just do an explore. Abandon building. I've been wanting to do one. No paranormal. I'm just going to go in there, do my thing, film. And so I do the video and I get towards the end of the video. And as I'm editing the video, I get home, I edit the video, and I'm like going through stuff. And there's this one part where I'm done exploring. I'm kind of just taking like artistic shots to kind of put to music as an outro, intro kind of thing. So I'm going around the house, just taking different videos and stuff.

So I take a video and I'm editing it at home. And all of a sudden I hear like a voice on there and I'm like, no way. And so literally I'm filming. I shut off the camera. I walk three feet. I bend down. Turn it on again. And then that's immediately when I get the voice.

It's a man, man's voice just saying something good. Literally something good. That's what he said. Something good. And so it sounded like it was the back half of a sentence. Like he was saying something else and I just caught the end of it. And so when that happened,

I was like, you got to be kidding me. I was like, I didn't want to go here to do this. You know, And here there's, and so as I'm, I start. Do you understand how much more work I have to do now? I was like, I didn't want to do this.

You know what I mean? Here it is just like, so then I'm going to the footage more. And so I get into the basement area. And then I look over at this bench. I'm like, oh, this looks like a little work bench. Yeah. A raspy, deep, gargly voice says to me, I'm assuming me, I see you. Really?

In the basement, yeah. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. So, of course, as I'm editing this, I'm like, well, now I have to go. back because I've got to do an actual full investigation and like see what else we can catch there. So we go back, we catch a couple more EVP. Some of them you just can't quite hear that just far enough away, just far enough away. Another thing that's weird about this house, EMFs everywhere. There's no power in this house. I was like, how is, I don't know how that's possible. You know, like there's just no, there's no, there's no abandoned house. There's nothing in it.

There's, there's no power here. I know there's no power in the house. So that was weird. And not only that, I go back into the basement. We get two more EVPs down there. Another one that's kind of similar to the other one, that Raspie Boys. And it was just kind of like a deep exhale. That's all. And then we're looking in, it's a very old home. So it was like fireplace heated.

So there was like fireplaces almost like three of them in the basement that kind of heated the whole home. So in one of the fireplaces on the ground, there's like this pieces of metal. And I'm like looking at it. I'm like, what is that? EVP, boom. This little kid. A little kid says to, me, it's lead.

Like, this is lead. Did you say it out loud? Yeah, I didn't hear it. But like, no, no, EVP. Did you say, wow. Yeah, and it responded to my question. Wow. I was like, what is this? And I was like, it's lead.

Wow. Yeah, like a little kid. Yeah. And it's the same place as the, wow. Same place. Yeah, yeah. So there's like multiple spirits. There's at least three probably because there's a raspy voice one.

There's the little kid. And then there's a guy upstairs or at least. I mean, there's probably more there, but. Wow. Before we get too much further, we talked about your YouTube channel, but tell people what it's called. We didn't do that. Oh, sure. Canadian Dutch Boy Studios. For those of who you don't, people don't know out there, that's the name of the channel. So if you search it on YouTube, you can find me. But I also go by exploring with Phil on my social media. So if they go on YouTube, type in exploring with Phil, they'll find you? They should be able to find me. Yeah. I've been thinking about changing the name of my YouTube channel exploring with Phil. It's kind of like with you with Merkel. It's like, Canadian Dutch Boys is like my. Merkle Media. Yeah.

So it's like, what do I do? Do I, you know, I'm in a tough spot. I think about the same thing. I'm only, I'm on the reverse of it.

So like, I'm thinking to myself, do I change the YouTube channel from the professionals to Merkle Media to houses everything? Or do I start a separate channel for all this different stuff? Right.

And it's like, it really just depends on how much extra work do we want to do. Because doing more channels means that we got to put more energy into trying to grow those channels and then utilizing our current, uh, platform with the most followers to redirect them at times. And it's just, it can be logistically a pain in the butt. But, you know, I don't know. I'm in the same spot with that. What you're talking about, though, with with accidentally getting EVPs. I've mentioned this a couple

times in the show, but it just, it's worth repeating because it happens, I think, a lot more to us than what we realize. And if you just have the patience to go back and listen to recordings or just maybe even be aware in the moments. You never know what you're going to catch. I went to, I was directed to a location in Pennsylvania. Jack, try to find, I forget the name of the place I went to. Actually, you know what? Don't, don't look up the name of the place because I'm not done there yet. And so once I'm done with the place, I'll release the name of the place I went to. But I actually, I went to this place in Pennsylvania because I was directed that somewhere in in the Redding, Pennsylvania area.

And it turns out it wasn't that close to Redding. There was a location that was marked with a very large rock that looked like a serpent. And there was supposed to be some underground reptilian civilization there. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so I found a place that had a place that looked like it was the head of a snake. And it was huge. I'm talking like megalithic huge. Wow, that big.

It was huge, dude. I mean, parts of this wall was over 100 feet. And it stretched over a half a mile before it went into the ground. And so I'm pretty sure it stretches further. And there's some scientific explanations for the formation. Obviously, there's always scientific explanations. But then there's the, let's get juicy with the explanation. And long story short, we had a lot of weird things happen that day.

I still got making it a film. I have the footage. I just haven't made it into any kind of YouTube video because I hate doing it. and that stuff. But that night I had stopped because we got buzzed by some military helicopters. And when we kept going, I said to my, the guy who was filming Ed, I said, are you ready to go? And he said, yeah, and he's a strong Costa Rican accent. And then on audio, we hear a whisper. Sounds like a female. Just go, okay. And it was so clear. Like, I was sitting there going over the video footage in my studio in Pennsylvania. And my dad was sitting there because he was over recording for Hammer Lane Legends.

and he got jaw dropped. I looked at him and did you hear that? He's like, yeah? I heard that. And I was like, dang, man. And it was crazy is that later on that night, I thought I heard a little girl talking in the dark. And I was like, but Ed didn't hear it.

And he was sitting right next to me. So I was like, and we were tapped tired. Yeah, right. And I was like, I was probably nothing. I'm not going to go around. I was out there for 14 hours. I just want to go home now. Sorry, little girl.

Good luck. You're staying out here. You're either my imagination. or something I probably don't want to see, so I'm out. What are you really? Yeah, are you like one of those reptilian little girls? I mean, I'm out here looking for you, but I'm tabbed. You're like, I'm here.

Come find me. You're like, mm. Yeah. No thanks. So you're doing these exploration videos and they're happening. A lot of them are outside. Yeah. And so you're like, which is interesting because we just talked about my experience with

it happening outside. A lot of times people think that traditionally, for whatever reason, our minds go, haunting building, haunting inside, haunting, haunting looking through a window, doorway, corner of a room, you know, hearing a bump downstairs or upstairs. Not a lot of people, when they start talking about hauntings,

talk about outside. And that's what you're primarily doing right now. Yeah, pretty much. And I will say, you're just about to get the EVP just as easy as outside as inside, daytime is night. Like, I don't think there's any difference at all

between daytime and night. I've done night investigations, Like just for example, at the Hockamock, I've done both day and night there. And I catch just as much evidence during the day and as night. And as far as EVPs go, I catch just as many EVPs just talking or walking around than actually being like, okay, here we go. We're going to start an EVP session. This is EVP session number one. So sometimes you have to get outside of the box and be like, okay, well, because sometimes you can just do kind of what everyone else does.

And everyone else says, okay, we have to do an EVP session. We have to close EVP. You don't really necessarily have to do that. You just walk around, do your thing, and sometimes even just you saying something or whatever, they will spawn to you because, you know, or if you're in a place where there's certain amount of history, whatever that story is, if you talk about that story or something that maybe will trigger them to say something, you know, that can help too. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you go to Huckamuck Swamp knowing that there was crazy stuff happening or did you just kind of like, oh, it's a swamp? Let's go check it out. Yeah, so that place is well known. It's part of the Bridgewater Triangle. For anyone doesn't know what the Bridgewater Triangle is, it's a huge, huge triangulation area in Massachusetts,

that contains about five to six towns. And it's not an exact science. Obviously, there's paranormal things that happen outside of the triangle. But it seems to be an area where there's a large concentration of paranormal things happening. And it's, it's weird because it's not just like, oh, it's not just ghosts. It's ghosts. It's cryptids. It's UFOs.

It's. Pukwajis, which are this little mythical creature. I don't think they're mythical. I think they're real. Didn't you see one in the first episode you were on? What did you saw? Was it Puck Wachee? Oh, my uncle saw a puck wudgy.

Yes. I've never seen one personally, but my uncle saw one. Like, you know, they're basically like anywhere from a two to four foot tall creature, completely covered in hair. They can appear and disappear. They have the ability to, like, disappear. They're known as tricksters. depending on the Native American culture you're talking about,

some of them, there's good ones and bad ones. Other ones, they're just bad. So it's kind of a confusing thing. I don't really know if there are some that are good, if some that are bad, or if they're just all bad.

But they like to play tricks on people. Sometimes they can lead you to your doom, stuff like that. They've known to like children, which I think is kind of weird. I don't know why or for what purpose. I think I've definitely caught a couple puckwood EVPs for sure.

Really? Yep. And a couple spirit box responses where I've asked about puck wuggies and they've responded. One of one time they were just, you know, I asked as anyone was there in the huckumuck and they're like puck wudgeys. What? Yeah. Yeah.

In the spirit box. Wow. I highly doubt a radio station is going to say the word puck wudgy. So like it's, you know. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, one asking about them. I've gotten the word bank and spirit box response little, which, you know, it's, it's

is another word for them, like a little person, a little, they're known. Basically, in Native American culture, they're known as different names throughout different, depending what tribe you're talking about. So in New England, they're called Pukwaji. It's basically a troll-like creature. Yeah, these things are wild, absolutely wild. And they're all over southeastern Massachusetts, without a doubt, for sure. So, all right, on the top, and we're going to bounce around here, but, I mean, we brought

puck wudgee. What is your thought on this? Because you mentioned how it's a creature. but it disappears. So, I mean, you look in these topics, you go out investigating, what is your vibe as to how you view this stuff as far as, like, and it could be what we're talking about, it might be different, but when it comes to the Pukwaji, do you think it's a little physical creature running around

or do you think it's more of an entity running around or how do you view it? I think it's kind of like Bigfoot in a way. Both. Yeah, both. Because it seems like physical because you can see it. But then there's other moments where it literally. disappears in front of your eyes. And they leave physical evidences too. Correct. Right.

Yeah. And not only that, the Puck Wudgy stuff goes back a long time. Kind of like with Satch with Native American culture, it kind of goes back a long time. Same thing with Puck Wuggies. There's a quick little story I know about Puck Wudgies and the Wampanogs. Like the only one story I can find that's like a positive story about Puck Wudgies,

which I think is interesting. So basically what happened, allegedly, is a Puck Wudgy came to a Native American Indian. It's like, please, my wife has hurt. She's injured. And so he brings him to this place and it looks like a totally different place than what he's used to, kind of like a magical place or something. I don't know if they went through a portal, something. Love it. Yep. So he, you know, heals or fixes up the, you know, woman Pukwaji or whatever and the Puckwaji

thanks him and that was, that's the story. But that's the only good story I could find. There's not a lot of good stories. Usually it's like, you know, they lead you to your death or something, you know, or something like that. So that's terrible. Yeah, there's not a lot of good about him. I mean, like, it's Like, I think if it's a giant creature, it's terrifying. If it's a little creature, it's terrifying. What we need is just human-sized creatures and maybe it won't be so terrifying. Something that just looks like a human and you can't even tell that. You're like, what's up, bro?

With your beard and stuff, maybe you're the creature that are talking about. Yeah, to them probably. They're like, oh, who's this? Yeah. What is this? This guy, let's check him out, you know? He might be one of us, you know? Yeah.

That's interesting. So, Puckwajee's in Huckamuck Swamp. Yeah, yep. Huckwump, Freetown State Forest, everywhere. Anywhere in southeastern Massachusetts, generally. So what have you been uncovering in Huckamuk? Man, there's so much. I mean, obviously, countless Class A EVPs. One time, I'll tell you, but one time specifically because it was just weird.

So I'm walking down the path. I get that, like, a creepy feeling, you know, like I'm being watched or something like that. you know, just anyone that's ever done any sort of paranormal investigation or searching for Bigfoot. And you just, if you've ever had that feeling, you know what I'm talking about. It's that feeling. So I'm just like, why am I feeling this? You know, so I start going down, walking down. I mentioned it on camera that I'm like, I kind of feel creeped out.

And the next section of like pathway that I walk, I catch an EVP that says two words, Phil here. Like, meaning like, I would assume meaning stop. Like I'm here. Like I'm right in the spot right here. Which is, you know, and it sounded like the Puck Wudji voice that I caught like over a year ago in that same area. So I'll tell you about that too. So I was with my little cousin. He's a kid, you know, 12, 13 years old, which is interesting because Puck Woggi is allegedly like children.

Or they, I don't know if they steal them, want them. I don't know why, but they like children. So we're in the Puckabuck Swamp. And this is, I didn't even film it. We were just, I just brought him out there because he was interested in it because I was doing videos about it. He's like, I want to go out there. I was like, all right, we'll go out there. We'll just do a couple quick EVP sessions.

It's January. It's 20 degrees out. It's freezing. We're out there for maybe half an hour. We do a couple EVP sessions. We get to this one area where I've gotten many different things since then. And so we're sitting there, standing there, and he looks at me. He's like, I hear whispering.

And so I didn't hear the whispering at the moment, but he hears whispering. So I listen to it back. There's whispering there. And not only that, after the whispering, you can hear what sounds like that same voice that says Phil here. It says here again. It's like, here. Wow.

You know, it's like next to him or like next to us, like right there. And so he heard the whispering and I caught the EVP of the here as well afterwards. Wow. Yeah. When you're going out there, does it seem, first of all, you said Phil here is what you heard. So what you thought, what your logical conclusion was is not what I was thinking. What were you thinking? I was thinking like something talking and saying Phil is here because you go there so often.

that it's almost like talking to others and it's like Phil's here. That's even creepier because they know, I mean, they know my name. Clearly. Clearly. Oh my gosh, dude. Yeah.

So, shoot, I forget where I was going to go with that other thing though. You mentioned about hearing, the hear, the whisper, it's gone now. It's escaped to me. Yeah, there's so much about the Huckamuck spot.

So, yeah, the Huckamuck spot. When you go out there, do you feel like, like how often are you catching EVPs when you go out there? Is it every time or is it a lot of Easter? As far as EVPs, I would say on average, it probably averages out to once a, want to one a video, probably, something like that. That's a treasure trove. Oh my God, this place is unbelievable. I've caught another EVP where I can't verify that like who these people are that are talking, but I think it was two

Native American women. Really? Yeah. So I'm walking down the path and the first woman, or first voice, I should say, it sounds like a woman, says, what a man? I'm not sure if they mean, like, what, is that a man? Or what a man? Like, oh, wow, look at that guy. What a man, what a man. Yeah, maybe that's her favorite song. I don't know. So the first one says that, and the other one says, yeah, he's cold or cool. I can't tell what you. I'm telling you, man, they were trying to sing that song. Yeah.

It's wild. Yeah, yeah. And actually, the weirdest, weirdest moment I've ever had to hook him up. Yeah, the, the EVPs are strange and stuff like that, but the weirdest, weirdest experience is about a 25 minute experience. And so in the area where I caught the here and the two women, that's this general area.

I'm standing there about to do an EVP session. I hear what sounds like a large like, bang. And then a tree fall. Right? And I'm like, what was that? Listen back on the EVP. You hear the thud, but I also catch an EVP

with the thud. So it's a, sounds like a, like someone hitting a tree or that's what it sounded like. Like a voice like kind of like in doing something or like physical. And then the tree falls. And so I obviously I didn't hear the EVP

at the time, but I heard the tree fall. I'm like, oh, that's kind of weird. So I kind of go walk in a little bit closer. And basically to describe this area, it's a trail. There's a power station above. And then there's like some thickets and then the swamps behind it. And so in the swamp area, I'm standing there, kind of like just listening because I heard that thud and the crash of the tree.

I'm like, that's kind of weird. So I can't remember if I asked if there was anyone in the woods or whatever in the swamp. I get a knock in a tree probably 50 feet to my, like in front of me to my right, like a large knock on a tree, you know, something that hit a tree. So I'm like, oh, that's weird. Then I hear what sounds like glass moving and metal moving around. you know, about 30 feet in front of me. And so where I'm at, I mean, it's probably a few months ago. So there's no foliage.

There's nothing in front of me that's like blocking my view. Like I can kind of see probably about 10, 20 feet in. And these noises are coming like 50 feet. Some are closer. Some are like 30 feet. The metal noises. Metal noises and the glass moving, which is weird because it's a swamp. Like where is this glass coming from?

It's water. You know what I mean? It's very strange. So I'm hearing all these noises. and then I keep on getting close and closer because I'm just like what is going on? There's something moving around in there

or moving objects around in there but I can't see anything and so a couple more noises happen and then I go down around the pathway kind of near where I got those two EVPs to the two women and I'm standing there and I hear another loud

a large thud and what sounds like a beeping noise so it's like a thud and it's like beep beep like that and I was like what? So the only thing

logically I'm like okay maybe just maybe a drone fell in there and someone's trying to get it out but these thuds that I'm hearing are loud. It sounds like someone's taking like a baseball bat or something large and hitting it against a tree. That's how large

that's loud and these and then not only that I'm hearing like metal crinkling, metal crashing like metal bump it like hitting tree like I said, it's swamp. There's no way. There's no way there's no one in there. How often do you run into people out there?

Maybe if I'm lucky every other time. There's hardly. Maybe some people walk in. It's not crowds? No, no, no, never. I've seen, on average, maybe I'll see one other person. Most of the time I don't see anybody. There's a couple like walking trails throughout the swamp.

One of them is like a power line thing that they've, build power lines do so they filled it in a little bit so that's the only way you can kind of like walk around and then there's a couple old roads and the rest of it's just

swamp. Wow. Yeah, the Huckamuck Swamp is probably the place I've been to the most for sure. That's the place where I saw the wolf,

the wolf setting I had and we can talk about that. Yeah, but before we go into that I got so much to talk about let's pull it back to the metal portal doors opening because that's what I'm thinking. I think I thought the same thing

because we were talking this before the show about the guy. About the guy you had on, what was the Martin Groves. Martin Groves. With the LBL. Yes. Yeah.

When he said the metal crinkling thing about like the portal, whatever he was, I've heard the same kind of stuff in the Huckamuck Swamp. Wow. Same kind of stuff. Really? The metal crinkling. I've heard that multiple times. Not even just that one time.

Another time I was at there at night. Same thing. Just sounds like aluminum or something, just like someone crinkling. And 20, 30 feet away. And I know there's no one out there. You know what I mean? We would see somebody. You know, very unexplainable.

I don't know what to make. And you said this happened, this happened for 25 minutes-ish? Mm-hmm. Is it the only time you ever heard the medal? I've heard the metal twice. One time at night where it was just like a one-time thing. And then this other time where it was like a 25-minute like thing. And then...

Oh, so the one time it was shorter, it was during the day or night? Night. And the long time was during the day. Wow. During the day. I think, I think Martin, his door sounds. was during the evening. So I think he was working his way back to the campsite.

Interesting. So, yeah, I mean, it kind of goes in with what you're talking about, how you're going day, night, getting activity. It doesn't matter. And that's the idea is, like, for me, you don't need to be doing this stuff at night because they don't adhere to a certain time frame. Like, I know the witching hour, 3 o'clock,

but it's in the name, witching hour, which is doing witchy things. I mean, obviously, there's more things to it than that, but it's like hauntings. I mean, they don't, they're not like, oh, it's 3 a.m. Let's get cracking. Hold on, hold on. It's not time for us to haunt yet.

Right. It's like, well, the veil's the thinnest now. So that's the only time we can do stuff. It's like, but Larry, we're already here. Sorry, we got to be to the veils thinner just to stay on schedule, you know. What do we tell you about doing this? I told you we have a specific time. We do this.

You're breaking the rules. Yeah, I'm just thinking like the ghosts and Casper, you know? I just dated ourselves for that. Yeah, that's okay. How old is that movie? That's got to be. That's got to be 94-95, no? Oh my gosh.

It has to be. Yeah. Jeez, man. That's a long time ago. That's wild. All right, so you're hearing the metal sound during the day and that one time at night. The one time at night was just a quick thing? It was a quick thing.

We heard it once. And then after that, we asked if there was someone around. And we heard like a metal knock, maybe like three or four power stations. Really? Yeah. Wow. And I know that's no, there's no one out there at night. I mean, it's one of those places where, yeah, it's like a wildlife place, so you can hunt and trap and stuff there.

I think I've maybe seen one hunter the entire time I've been out there. You've been out there a lot. And it's one guy that was like, I've never been here before. There's people I know that are like legit hunters, a family I know, they won't even go there. Why? Because of the paranormal stuff? Wow. They won't even go there.

And this place is rich with a lot of different animals. It's a reason for that, right? Yeah. Nobody's hunting there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And not only that, I think I heard a big cat out there once. Really? Yep. I don't know. I can't, I mean, it could be a bobcat. It could be any kind of a cat.

I don't know cat noises as far as what the noise they make when they like, I heard one of those noises in the huckamuck. Wow. Yeah. And to make it even weirder on one of the Spirit Box sessions, I asked if there was any dangerous animals around. And without skipping a beat, Panthers. I was like, hmm, panthers? Like black cats. Yeah, that's what they said. I mean, who knows that.

That's true or not, but that's... That's the rumor of there, that people are seeing black cats. That's one of the rumors of the Bridgewater Triangle that animals of the unusual size, big dogs, big panthers, big cats, teradactyl-like creatures that come swooping down. Like, wild dislike... You got to tell me if you see a terror... I'm like, call me. Be like, bro, let's go live right now.

Turn on your machine. I got them. Amazing. That would be incredible. So you're... And I want to kind of... this wolf thing into this conversation as well, but just to

kind of not move too far past it, because I do my thinking live in the moment when I talk it out loud, right? So you're having the metal sound. Now, how long was, because you were hearing other things, but how long was this metal sound going on? Was it like just

a piece of this 25 minute, or was it like a consistent like, oh, there it is again, there is again. During that 25 minutes, it was like every 30, 40 seconds or something. It would be some other noise. Is it on your YouTube video? Wow.

It's on the YouTube channel. And most of the noises you can hear, especially the weirdest one, like I said, is the metal bang and then like the beeping noise. Like a beep, beep. What is that? I don't know. Like I said, the only thing logically I could think maybe, just maybe a drone fell in there. And they're trying to get it out. But I didn't hear propellers.

I didn't hear a motor. I just heard banging a bang and a metal beep. I appreciate your effort at logical thinking. take it there. Let's go somewhere else. What if the beeping is human? And it's the powers that be tapping into the paranormal portal realm and they're doing things in the Huckamuck swamp.

Like what if the Huckamuck swamp? So I talk about how the, so people talk about sometimes, but I'm not totally sure, but people talk about how when we invaded Iraq, the reason why we actually invaded Iraq was to recover nephalum DNA. Gotcha. And so we have these different stories and periods of time where people refer to our government or governments of the world tapping into more paranormal type things and trying to uncover and unlock these things for their own nefarious means. What if there's something like that going on, the Huckabokamok small is so old and so legendary. this Bridgewater triangle with paranormal stuff

that not only is the paranormal stuff happening there, but humans are now trying to tap into these realms, maybe because the veil is thinner there, just kind of like in Joshua Tree. And so, like, what if the beeping

you're hearing is actually a mechanical device being used to pass in and out? I don't know. Yeah, dude, I would not be shocked in any way whatsoever. Just to give you a background

about hookabug. The word huckabuck means place where spirits dwell. Okay. Which is what the Native Americans named it. There's your sign. Yeah. And what's weird about that is it's a swamp. So my logical thinking is like, why would there be so many people in the swamp? So I've asked many times, did you live here? Did you live in a nearby? Always know. So I'm like, where are these

ghosts coming from? It's got to be a portal or something that they're walking through and ending up there or something. I don't know how or why. It's weird. Let me, this is an idea for you since you're up there and you're doing everything. I'm telling you right now, I'm like prophesying it, right? Like I'm predicting this. I believe in 10 years from now, you're going to be a go-to person

for conversation on the Huckamuck Swamp and the bridge where, like, I think you're going to be on Discovery Channel one day. I hope so. As a featured person, as an expert, kind of thing because of your experiences in there. But what if you start trying to do strategic investigations out there

around religious holidays. Oh, good idea. Great idea. Even down to Halloween night, Easter. Like, skip church on Easter, go out there. In fact, go out, do yourself, I'm telling you, do yourself a favorite, try this out. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, Easter weekend. Yeah.

The whole time. Just go out there and be there the whole time. take breaks to get food, offload cards, charge batteries, get back out there. And identify certain areas that you think are the most secluded,

the most eerie, and see what happens there. Because it would be interesting to see, I just want to see what happens there. I have my own thoughts and stuff, but I would like to see, I don't want to see the future of this experiment with my own contaminated thoughts.

but I would strongly think that there could be something very strong going on. Oh, no doubt. I know there is, no doubt. I just can't put my finger exactly what that thing is. But there's definitely something going on there for sure. It's a wild place. It's a wild place. So you heard this.

So from the time that you heard the 25 minutes of metal sounds and that was where the grunting was too and the tree falling over. Yep, same place. Like I'm telling you right now, either dog man or big volcano. through poros, cracked a tree, knocked it over, bounced. And the beeping is just like, I don't know. Yeah. The leash, the collar on their neck because they're actually a cloned hybrid

from military base somewhere. Yeah. Just mystery solved. Yeah. Jack, mark it down at this time. Mystery solved. That's it. A hall of Huckabuckab. Okay? Like, it's just, it's a done deal. But how far in time from that experience to the wolf experience? Or which

came first? Oh, man. That's got to be like very similar. So, God, which did come first. The wolf siding first. Really? Yep. Wolf sighting first. And then a couple weeks after that, then that happened.

Tell me about this. So I... Because by the way, this is Massachusetts, right? Yes, there is not supposed to be any wolves in Massachusetts. Yeah. How far away from a Boston are you in the Huckhamick's smoke? 30 miles. Okay.

A little close. Yeah. Traffic-wise, if there's traffic, maybe not that close. Gotcha. You know, traffic's awful. But, yeah, like 30, 30. miles probably. Okay, gotcha. Yep. So this area was a new area in the huckamuck I've never been to at the time. A guy I used to work with lives in this area. It's like, hey, I know another area where you can access to huckumuck swamp.

And it's really creepy back there. And this is the guy that's like not a paranormal guy. You know, he's just like, hey, I just know it's creepy back there and et cetera. So he gave me the address. You know, I went. So I was, you know, start the video unless not even, probably a half, not even a half a mile for my car. So I parked my car, going on the trail during my video. I get this like, it only happened to me this one time that so far anyway

where I've gotten this feeling like, Phil, you should not be here. Literally I heard that in my head. It was like, you shouldn't be here. And so I just ignored it. I didn't say anything. And I kept on going

and then it happened again. It was like, again, Phil, you shouldn't be here. And so I say it. I mentioned it on camera. I was like,

I don't know what it is. I just feel creeped out. Like I shouldn't be here. I keep on walking up, and then I get to this point where it's just very strange. I've never seen woods like this, so it's a pathway. And then over on my left-hand side, as I'm looking over, there's just trees, all these fallen trees with like either with the roots uprooted, kind of like falling over with a kind of as a circle around the back, kind of like that. But as far as the eye could see, just trees down. And I'm like, number one, I think this is very odd that there's so many trees.

It almost like like a tornado rip through there or something. That's what it looked like. And I was just, that's kind of weird. And so I'm looking around. I'm like, all right, maybe I'll do like a spirit box session. So I shut the camera off. I get the spirit box out, pull on my antenna, go to turn it on. I look, I literally look up.

And it's probably like 40, 45 feet away over one of these trees comes jumping over the top of the back of the circle part, not just the tree. Like back of the circle jumps over the back of the circle part is this black, fluffy dog-like creature on all fours, but jumped over the back of the side of the tree. And so I see it, and I'm just like, immediately, a fear and flight comes over me. I just literally didn't even think about filming it. I just grabbed my stuff and left.

You're such a liar, bro. Why don't you? Yeah, exactly. I was like, it's you in that situation. You know how many people said that to me? I was like, I know, I know. So from now on, I don't turn my camera off anymore. I leave it on all the time for that reason.

But like I said, I've seen coyotes before. I know what coyotes look like. This was not a coyote. This was a black wolf-like dog that was huge, massive, bigger than any other coyote I've ever seen. It's huge. It shocked me. I couldn't believe it. And not only like that experience, but I went back a few times a week or two later with some backup, obviously, because I wasn't going back there by myself.

Yeah. And that whole area is just EMFs like you would not believe. Really? Of the charts, EMFs. There's no power out there. There's nothing out there. They're probably within 100 feet. There's no power there.

So you're talking EMFs just out of the blue for no reason. That wolf encounter or whatever. Dude, wild. Fluffy. I've never seen like a wolf. I don't know. I've never seen a wolf in person. But in black, it was all black.

Yeah, I mean. All black. I know wolves can be all black, but like, first of all, wolves aren't supposed to be where you're at. No. And like when you say how, like, it was huge, how big would you say, if it was standing on all four, how high do you think it would be standing up in the air? Oh, man. Probably a little, a little bit below my waist, maybe mid thigh, mid thigh waist, I guess. It's hard to tell because it was so far away.

I mean, 45 feet away, you know what I mean? It's like, it wasn't like right up on me. So, but it was, I thought it was huge. I thought it was big. It was bigger than any other coyote I've ever seen for sure. I've never seen a wolf in person to be like, okay, this is the size of a wolf. But it was bigger than any other coyote who have seen. I mean, like even if it was a normal size wolf, it's not supposed to be there.

No, it's not. And it's not like there was somebody else out there that had their dog running around. And how far from the metal sounds were you? Oh, from that probably, it's all Huck and Buck and Buck Swamp, but from that point to point, probably, a mile. Really? Yeah. Because the Huckamooks

like 17, almost 17,000 acres or something like, it's huge. It's the biggest swamp in Massachusetts. Wow. Yeah, so it's probably a mile. Yeah,

probably a mile away from that. Imagine how much, how many dead bodies are in the Huckamok swamp, just from history, not just from nefariousness, but just like people died there. Yeah.

The Wampanog used to bury their dead there. Really? Yes, absolutely. So that might be another thing. And another thing that's really strange, after I got the weird noises, I kind of, it kind of stopped. And so I was like, all right, let me, I just need to take a break from that area. I was like, let me get out of here for a minute.

So I go down to the opposite side, get the spirit box out. And on numerous occasions, I've gotten the word bank response removal. So I'm like, removal, removal. So I kind of put two and two together and was like, let me just ask. Did someone remove bodies from the swamp? And without skipping a beat, which? Which? Which?

and I've asked multiple times and they've said which multiple times. Wow. Which I don't know what reason you would move bodies from a swamp to begin with. Maybe the witch brought the bodies to the swamp. Possibly.

Moved it to the swamp. Yeah, right. I don't know. That's creepy. That is creepy. The witch came and removed the bodies because it resurrected the bodies. Yeah, that's what.

That's what I thought. Like I said, the last thing I was expecting was to get that response. You know what I mean? I was thinking, oh, maybe a killer or, you know, whatever. But no, it's like, which? Yeah, I mean, it's like, if you ask a question and it's like, chipmunks, like, okay.

Yeah. All right. Toothaste. Go home. You're drunk, you know? Yeah. But, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, dude.

So the Huck and Bucks swamp, lots of activity. Do you get excited going there still? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I love going there. Well, because I know every time I go there, something happens. Something weird happens. And that place is just filled with paranormal activity to,

to the brim. I'm still hoping to see like a Bigfoot or a creature or something, like a physical creature, which I have not seen yet. I haven't even seen...

Yeah, I haven't even seen like a full-body apparition with my own eyes. I've caught him on camera once. Really? Yeah, at Eastern State. Really?

Mm-hmm. In Philly. Yeah, Philly. See, when I went there, I was so bored. Oh, really? I was bored. I was like, this place sucks.

Like, I was like, this sucks, man. Like, I was like, oh, you live in your Eastern State. I'm like, save your money. It sucks. That stinks. So you went and you didn't get anything? It was like, I didn't even get chills.

Like, I was like, this is lame. Yeah, that sucks. Wow. Yeah, I've gotten a lot of good stuff there. Really? Yeah, a lot of good stuff. See, this is why I'm just, I'm literally, I'm not, man, nothing happens to me. Yeah, that's tough.

I say nothing happens to me. Things happen to me, but it's just like, I feel like for me, things happen to me when they need to happen, not when it's like, oh, I'm out here doing my thing. It's like, I feel like when things happen to me is because they're supposed to happened to me. It's like marker points in my life that's like you need this experience for later on. And I think the first thing that it comes to my mind with that is when I had that experience with the guy, the warlock at his house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that, that was something that I didn't understand what's happening in the moment. I didn't connect the dots until I already started

the show a year later. But it's been a building block of the show because there are certain times people say things to you. And if you didn't have the experience that I had, you would maybe not believe them or you might question, really, are there really people out there? It's like, no, what I experienced, like, nobody's going to tell me otherwise. And so that's the first time that I feel like I had an experience where I needed to have it. I was meant to have the experience. Right. And I've had things like that happened to me before where it's like the dog man in the house thing. I always say dog man in my house and catch people's ears. I don't know if it was the dogman.

All I can tell you is we were literally focusing on dog man a lot. And then we had something heavy bipedal with nails on his feet walking through my house. And that was right around the time that I started connecting dots that dogman might be, probably is more than just an upright walking monster in the woods. There's more to the topic. and enter portal dog man, all that stuff. And so I tend to have experience, I feel like when I need to have them.

And so I don't know if that's God removing protection briefly to show me things, you know? Sure. That can definitely be the case. I strongly believe. I know God put me here. And so maybe when I have these experiences, it's God saying, all right, here's another piece.

Here's another piece. Here's another piece. But other people like you seem to have just boom, boom, boom, boom. So you had this experience in Eastern State, and you've had multiple experiences in Eastern. Tell me about it. Okay. So I think the most chilling thing that happened to me when I was there, we were in one of the basement buildings. I can't remember off the top of my head which building it was.

Or in a basement level, it's basically like school, where the school was that area. So we're walking down the hallway. It's kind of point in, I don't know if anyone's ever been there. You ever been there at night when they do night investigations? Okay. So they split you up in different groups and stuff. So as the night progresses, usually what happens, I've been there twice. Usually what happens is people start to fade away as time goes on.

Some people just do it and they go for an hour and then they kind of bail. So it's getting to the point of the night where it's like later in the night, there isn't as many people. So it was just us down this one area. So it was just me, my brother-in-law, Eric, and my sister, Sarah. And so we're walking down this hallway. And we get the word bank response. I'm here or something like that. and I'm like, oh, are you over here?

And I point like over to my, in front of me to my right. And from behind me, there's a voice in a deep, dark voice that says, no. Hmm. Yeah. And I heard it with my own ears. It's not just an EVP. Like, I heard this. Did you catch it on it?

Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yep. And it took me a second to even like register in my brain. Like, I hear it. And I'm like, wait, what? I'm like, did you hear that?

And of course, my sister was like, you know, freaks out. Oh, my God. What was it? You know, did she hear it too? No, they didn't hear it. They were in front of me. So I was like, you know, so I was like on the back. So it's like something that was on your shoulders whispering.

Behind me. Yeah. Behind me. Behind me. Wow. Yep. I got a bunch of EVPs there. Another time near the dentist office, you're familiar with how at that facility.

If a patient was aggressive or would bite people, they would give them two chances. And the second chance, if they did it again, they would rip all their teeth out. Oh, shoot. I don't know if you knew that or not. I don't think I knew that. I forget a lot of things, too. Awful. Wow.

So in the. this dentist area, we're talking about that story. And we're basically like, oh, yeah. I mean, and in some cases, they wouldn't give the patient's anesthesia. Like, if they couldn't vocalize that they wanted anesthesia, you know, if they were deaf or mute or whatever, it couldn't talk, couldn't vote. They wouldn't give them anesthesia. So they just rip all their teeth out.

And so we're talking. Who doesn't want anesthesia? Exactly. You would think that'd be standard? You know what I mean? You're like, oh, no. When do they care? They can't even talk.

Oh, my gosh. So we're talking about this. And I'm like, yeah, who wouldn't want anesthesia? And then you hear a voice. that says, yeah. Wow. Yeah. You know, it's kind of like agreeing with me,

but like, yeah, who wouldn't, you know, who wouldn't want anesthesia? The most best EVP I got there is like literally a conversation between two people. We're in this one area, kind of the hospital area of Eastern State, Pennhurst.

I always get those. Wait, so are we talking about Pennhurst? Oh, you were talking about Pennhurst? Am I did? You said Eastern State before. I did, I'm sorry. So we were not talking about Eastern State at all. I always do that.

I always mix up the two. But I did get EVPs at Easter State too if you want to talk about those two. No, I get bored by Easter State. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pennhurst is a different story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, we're talking about Pennhurst?

Yeah, I'm sorry. Now we're on to something. I know, dude. I do, I always do that. I've done it in my videos. I was touched at Pennhurst. Oh, were you really? Yes. Where?

It was during the day. I was at a vendor at Paracom. Yeah, I remember when you were over there. Yeah, and I was, I was in the Mayflower, I think it was. Oh, okay. And my son, me and my son and my wife are there during the day. We're just walking around. And I wasn't spooked out at all. There's no spookies. But I picked my son up. And just as I picked them up and I tuck them into my body, I feel something brushed my leg. And I look around and

there's nobody there except for me and Lindsay and Benny. And the only thing I can think of that might have been the case is that maybe, because it's so dirty in those buildings, maybe some dirt came off his shoe and brushed my leg. But I mean, other than that, I was like, well, that's weird, you know, but, you know, I don't know. But that's crazy. I, let me rewind here. I never did a night investigation at, which I'm going to call it, Pennhurst. Not Pennhurst, Eastern State.

I was wrong on that. And I never did one at Pennhurst either. Oh, okay. They were doing night investigations there when I was doing the vendor. I lived 15 minutes from there. I lived in Spring City. Yeah, yeah. I used to live in Spring State, but I lived in Pots Town.

So I just went home and I didn't feel like going. I was tired. Well, dude, after a long day like that. Yeah. It was like 90-something degrees, human. I'm like, I don't want to do anything. I don't want to go home and eat ice pops. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but I did catch EVPs at which McCla. So apparently they don't let you ghost hunt there, I guess, or whatever. So I did it like very discreetly. So I bought a ticket, just walked around. They don't? Well, they do, but they want you to pay for it. Oh, got you. So, you know what I mean?

not about that life. So I did it discreetly. I had my iPad going and, you know, just kind of, and then when I got to an area where there wasn't a lot of people, that's when I'd ask questions and stuff like that. Yeah. So I did get a couple of EVPs there. One of them, um, asking questions, like, what is your sentence? How long you win for?

And I get like a voice of a man that says, what do you want with me? Or what do you want for me? Something like that. Yeah. So I got that. And then, um, I got a couple names there too. So like three or four EVPs there. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. You went to Pennhurst. after I moved away. Yes. Because I remember, I'm like, dang it, Phil.

I know. I would have gone hung with you on that one, you know? It's just, always timing. You know, just the timing is just off.

Yeah. There's a guy, Colin from paranormal files on YouTube. I don't know if you ever come across his channel. It's got like 600,000 people following him.

Good for him. But he's not one of the guys that does the fake stuff. Like, so I watch the guys to do the fake stuff because I think it's so entertaining. Like, like I just like it,

you know? I know that's, I know, here's how I know it's fake. One episode of theirs would be enough for me to have a home run episode. Like just one show. Yeah. And they have, every time they put a video out, it's like that. And I'm like, I know it's manufactured. Yeah.

But gosh, it's entertaining, you know? And so I watch it, you know? But Colin does real investigative stuff. And he has a huge following because he gets a lot of stuff. And he went into to Pennhurst. And I think he said to me that that was one of the most terrifying experiences. he's had. Really?

Yeah, they went down the tunnels. I think they paid for because they actually did investigation stuff. But Pennhurst is

another animal man. Oh, absolutely. That's wild. And the tunnels is where we got the full body apparition. Really? Tell me about it.

So we were down in there and then, like I said, when you first go there and they split you up in different groups and you'd investigate, we literally started there. So there hadn't been

any other groups in there. I know there's not a person down there. So we're literally in the beginning in the middle of the tunnel and there's been like a guy. with you. And she basically will, when you get to a new area, she'll be like, all right, this is what this place is called. These are the claims here. This is what people said have happened. You know,

just to kind of give you an idea of what's going on there. So when you go and do your little investigation, you can maybe ask those point in questions and stuff. So as she's explaining, you know, the tunnel, there's a mail down here, blah, blah, blah. This girl next to me, right? Yeah, she's like near me. She's like, I see a man standing down there. And she's like, what, behind me? And so, like, do flash the light? And, yeah, and so behind this, like, piece of plastic, you can see the silhouette of a man. It looks like he's got, like, one, I think, if I remember correctly, he's got, like, one hand up. It's on my Instagram. It's like the one I've pinned on my Instagram for those who want to check it out. But yeah, we literally

caught that right then and there, and there was no one there behind us, because we literally, it's a group of us there standing there. So there's no one that's possibly, this could be. You know what I mean? There's no one physically there. And I get it on camera and within a few moments, he just kind of like disappears. That's wild. Yeah. And like I said, the girl saw it with her own eyes. Then my sister

kind of saw it. And then I'm like, and then I look at the footage and there he is. So that's on the YouTube channel? Yep, it's on the YouTube channel. People got to check it out. Yeah, no, that's a wild one. I'm going to post links to your YouTube channel. If you have any videos you specifically think that would be good for people to check out, just send it to me and I'll add that to the list. Yeah, yeah.

I'll give you like my top. What I think are my top ones. Have you done a video of like top 10 things I've? Yes, this past year I did. I did two top 10 nautica moments and then a top 10 Bridgewater Triangle moments. Cool. Yeah. What I'll do is I'll add those two along with your YouTube channel.

Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to like get, you know, get exposed or kind of get used to like the way I do with my channels and some of the evidence I've caught so far. So I really think people are going to enjoy, dig it, check it out. with Penhurst, it really, it's interesting because I think there's a lot of people who are seeing this shadow figure down the tunnels. And just makes me wonder if, is it the same thing people are seeing or is it just that much activity going on down there?

Right. But I think it's always from a distance. Like, it's never up close and personal. Yeah. But now that you said that story, I do remember watching Collins video and I'm pretty sure it left him running or something. somebody running and closing a door. I forget what it was, but it was pretty wild. And so that place has a lot of crazy stuff in it. And yeah, yeah, I'm, maybe one of these days, if I ever go back to Pennsylvania, which probably isn't happening anytime. I don't blame you. Yeah, I, uh, maybe I'll, I'll try to check it out and go in there and do something. But, um, yeah, I don't have any plans to go back unless I'm moving another family member to Tennessee. Yeah, there you go. But, um, I don't blame you. So, uh, we talked about Huckumuck

swamp, Ridgewater Triangle, Pennhurst. What are some of the other places that you have been hitting that you kind of like that stand out to you? Well, recently, I got a couple more, but let's see, I'll do this one first. It's called the witching tree. Okay. And so this is one of those ones where I honestly going into it wasn't thinking much because it's one of those urban legends where there's not a lot of information, literally not like hardly any information about it. I found one little teeny article about it on some blog I mean like

so basically the history of very limited history I don't even know if it's true or not but the limited history is that this is a place where people will get lynched people get hung witches got hung here stuff like that

so it's a place where capital punishment took place allegedly so I go there I'm not even thinking much so I'm like okay you know like maybe this it'll be a cool video regardless

you know if I catch anything or not just because it's a cool concept witching tree you know it's like So I go there doing my thing I get to the back side of the tree doing the spirit box thing asking questions and then I think the first thing that kind of happens is I hear

a voice and it's as I listen back to it I couldn't it was nothing you could make out that like a words or anything but you could hear a voice and I heard it with my own ears at the time so I'm like oh that's weird so then I started asking more questions you know

and so right right in between a spirit box session and the end of a spirit box session and the next spirit box session. I don't hear it when I own ears, but I hear a female's voice like humming, like a singing a tune like really? Wow.

Kind of like that. And so after that happens, then I get another EVP of what I'm assuming is the same woman speaking to me, saying something to me, but I feel like it's Native American because I just can't make it out. it doesn't sound like anything English. It's just, she's obviously speaking,

but I can't understand what she's saying. So I catch those EVPs. And then on the spirit box, which I think is the most interesting thing of the video, prior to that video, the video before, backtrack a little bit.

I had been praying to God to be like, oh, you know, help me with my YouTube channel, help me shine you through my YouTube channel, however that may be. So I'll back, say that to say this in the Huckamuk the week before, unprovoked in the spirit box as I'm

just asking normal questions. One of the responses is pray, please pray for me at the Huckamuck. So I was like, wow, that's incredible. So I did. I pray for that person. So with that mind at the witching tree, I was like, let me ask the same question. You know, maybe if there's ghosts here, maybe they need me to pray for them. If not, if it's some sort of evil entity, I'll get a response out of them too. So that's what I was thinking. So I asked the same question. I was like, is there anyone here that wishes me to pray for them? Please say pray.

So there's a man's voice first that says, yeah, okay. And then there's a woman's voice that says, yes, please. And then there's a woman that just comes out of nowhere, kind of interrupts them all. It's like, what are you doing? He's the enemy. And I was like, so my mind's going like a million different directions. So I'm like, okay, is this a Native American maybe? Maybe they think I'm enemy because I'm an English person.

I was like, that's probably the best way I could look at it. The worst way I could look at it is like, this is an evil entity that's like, oh, no, no, this is, don't be accepting prayer from this person. You know what I mean? This is person. He plays the wrong team. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, yikes. I wish I was something I didn't expect at all.

And was that with your ears? That was on the spirit box. So you got that on recording. Yeah. Oh my gosh. People, check out this YouTube channel. It's funny because, like, I know what you're doing and I try to share your stuff when I. And I appreciate you've been such a big help.

For sure. Such a big help. But like you and I were talking before we started recording about how now as you're a YouTuber, you don't have time to watch YouTube stuff. And I totally identify with that because I don't have time to listen to podcasts, watch YouTube videos, unless it's for what I need to do, you know. Yeah. Unfortunately, I wish I could.

I wish I had the time. I was so glad you said that to me because I was like, finally somebody can understand where I'm coming from because I feel bad. Me too. Hey, if you check this podcast, I'm like, absolutely not. Check it out. Probably won't. Like, I don't got an hour to listen to an episode.

I just don't. Like, the best thing people can do is to say, hey, at timestamp here to here, that's the part. Yeah, check this out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because it's just like, if you just send me a link to a podcast and I see it's an hour or two hours, I'm like, sorry, I don't, I'm not even going to attempt. Yeah. I don't have drive time and I'm, every time, you know, it is what it is. But so you have that on video recorded.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's unreal. Wow. I couldn't, that was shocking. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. What's interesting about that place, another buddy I just became friends with,

this is Plymouth Paranormal. He went there and he just does it for fun. He has no channel, no nothing. Really? Yeah, he just does ghost hunting for fun. So he. Why is he called Plymouth Paranormal? I think, I think it's just where he's from, Plymouth.

The town. Was he have a YouTube or Facebook page? Just has Instagram. Oh, so he calls himself. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's how I know him. Gotcha.

And so, you know, he had saw my videos. He's like, oh, where is this? Where is this? So I was like, hey, yeah, here it is, go check it out. Yeah. When he get there, you get an EVP of a ghost telling him FU. What? Really?

Wow. I was like, whoa. I was like, damn, I didn't think there was anything like that there, but I was like, wow. I mean, you said you're the enemy. Yeah, so I mean, there's aggressive nature. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Wow.

Yeah, but I was kind of taken back by that. Yeah. Whoa. I was like, whoa. I was like, damn. I was like, I thought you were a nice guy. Yeah. No, no, no.

It's interesting. I think what's interesting about this witching tree is that what you said earlier when you first started introducing the idea of the witching tree, I find very useful for people maybe getting into this kind of stuff and it's something that I do. I plan on doing more investigative type stuff on video for the YouTube channel, not for my films.

This is where me and Jack go out with actually the two cameras we're using right now in studio and we go film stuff. We connected with a YouTuber here in Knoxville. He does a full time. Awesome. And he's gotten some incredible evidence of monsters out in the woods. He actually sent me some audio this past weekend and said, I can't share it right now. But it is straight up, very clear howl.

Really? I love to hear that. It's classic. But one thing that I did in Pennsylvania, like I talk a lot about the prisoner of war camp and the video that I put out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. the reason why we went there is one, it's a person of war camp. Strong chance of it being haunted, right? But it was a physical location we could go to that has an interesting story.

Yes, there's Bigfoot in those forests. There's dog man. It's a haunted forest. There's the Nazis that died there, all that stuff, right? But if it's a complete dud of a trip, at least we can bring them a cool video where it's like, look at these ruins, you know? So you went to the witching tree and you can talk about what happened there and all the legends behind it, whether you get stuff or not.

And that's, I think, just a little nugget for people maybe looking to get into this kind of stuff. And how do you do it? Put the odds in your favor. Put paranormal aside. Like, find the location that might have paranormal activity. But what's interesting about that outside the paranormal? Bring that to the audience because you know you can. And if you get other stuff, awesome.

It's just bonus. You can take them on the journey to, on a paranormal investigation. to a location that the location itself is interesting. And then if you get activity, it's even better. Yeah, exactly. And that way you don't feel like you're wasting your time because I think there's a lot of hesitation people have where they're like, man, I want to go, but I'm not guaranteed to get anything.

And then I just wasted my weekend. I got to be a work on Monday and all that stuff, you know? And so maybe that would help people. And that's just some free advice from telling you. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's just stinking thinking because even if you don't catch something, that's great too. Because you can be like, oh, you know what? This place isn't haunted.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So then you could, that could be the title of your video. This, you know, whatever the name of the place is, is not haunted. Deboned. Yeah. And people will click on that too. You know what?

Yeah, that's just stinking thinking. You should, what is that? Yeah, stinking thinking. Is that like? Yeah, it's a saying. I don't think I've ever heard that. Really? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like, you could go and do, you know, the Sally House, debunked. Right. Yeah. People, people click that. Yeah. If you did debunk video on the Sally House or something like that, yeah, they'd click that. Like, you're a liar.

Yeah. Prove it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know, I love it. But, uh, so the witching tree. Now, I know you said you had a couple other things you wanted to share.

What are those things? I got, uh, Anawan Rock. For those of you don't, I have no idea what Anuron Rock is. I'll give you a brief history of Anawan Rock. So Anon Rock is very important in New England history. In the early part of New England history, when the pilgrims arrived, they were here for like 40 years. So the year about 1675 is when this war breaks out between the Native Americans and the pilgrims in the area. There's a lot of history that goes into why that war happened.

But basically, I won't get into all those details. But basically, it's the end of the war. The English are winning. King Philip, the leader of the Wampanogs is now dead. A lot of his leaders are now dead. They're kind of hunting down the last few important things. people just to kind of capture them. And, you know, so that way there's not another insurrection or, you know, the war continues

on because this is the bloodiest battle up until this point in American history. You know, a lot of English people died, a lot of Native Americans died. A lot of bloodshed are on these lands of Massachusetts in the Berger-Jarro Triangle area and other places of Massachusetts, too, which might be fueling some of the paranormal activity too. And one of these places is Anawan Rock. So Anawan was a Native American. Kind of like figurehead leader kind of guy older, kind of showed the younger Native Americans how to be a warrior,

that kind of thing. So we're like more of a spiritual advisor and kind of like a mentor kind of guy. So like I said, this is the end of the war. It's a guy named Benjamin Church, who's pretty famous in New England. It was friends with Native Americans and used them to help them the pilgrims and fight against Native Americans.

So they're hunting down Antoine. They figure out that he's going to be at this place. They go. they capture him. Anyway, long story short, Benjamin Church is like, I'm not going to kill you. I just want you to work for me. And then, you know, and you can help me be my advisor, blah, blah, blah, for the end of this war. He's like, great, that's cool. He glees on a trip. The other people and pill other programs take him. They bring him to Plymouth. They chop off his head. They quarter him. They put his head on a spike,

which was what they did at the time, the English did at the time, to enemies of the state and traders and stuff like that. they would, that's what they would do. More barbaric. So they would, you know, they marched their head through the street of Plymouth and stuff like that. Put their head on a spike at the fort in Plymouth. Oh, wild. You can kind of imagine that scene.

That's not very politically correct. That is not very politically correct. That's what they did. And so when Benjamin Church comes back from his trip and he sees his head in Plymouth, he's just distraught. Because he's like, I promised this guy that I wouldn't kill him and here he is dead. So that's Anawan's Rock. So that's kind of the history of it.

So we go there. I've never been there. before or check it out. We go on top of Anawan's rock. It's basically just kind of like a, I think it called pudding stones or pound stones or whatever, just like kind of like a rock, a bigger rock, not like a mountain,

but it's just kind of like a singular rock that you can kind of climb up on top of. And, you know, so we're on top there. We're doing an EVP session. And I'm like, all right, you want to do a spirit box?

And then Nicole's like, yeah, okay. And so then there's this other voice that comes out of nowhere that just goes, shh, like quiet. And so, which is interesting because this is a place where Anna Juan was captured. And at the time when he was captured, they were, the English were sneaking up over this rock to come capture him. So they wanted to be quiet.

So that's, you know what I mean? It's kind of interesting that you get to, like, be quiet. And so not only that, we're getting a couple of spirit box responses. It's kind of normal stuff. And all of a sudden I asked the classic question I always asked. I was like, if you want me to stay, please say stay. If you want me to leave, please say leave. and without skipping a beat, leave, leave, go home, please, go away, go home, please, leave.

Yeah, like over and over. Like, I've never had it happen so many times where it was like, this kept on saying it over and over and over, please leave, please leave, go away, please leave. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Would you leave? Yeah. I was like, I have to leave.

I asked them if they wanted, like, I guess we have to live. I was like, we'll leave, we'll leave. We'll leave. You should have been like, don't tell me how to live my life, bro. sticking around another 15. Top of the hill. At the top of this rock. Hey, if you catch it on video.

Yeah, absolutely. So what do you think is going to be like, I mean, because you haven't gone viral yet, right? Okay. So like, what do you think as somebody who's out there and you're enjoying the process clearly? So it's not like it's a chore for you. But obviously you do this because you'd like to get followers and grow in popularity. Yeah. And viral is one of those aspects.

What do you think of all the stuff that you're creating? that you've captured and that maybe one day you would capture. Is there any thoughts in your head as to what you think would get the most attention for you that maybe you already have that people haven't just discovered yet or anything like that?

I would say it's probably going to be something I'm going to be doing in the future. It's because I don't think anyone's ever done this yet as far as what I know. I'm going to take these like King Philip War sites and these battlefields and I'm going to do videos on those places. Wow.

And I'll probably do it like town by town. like, oh, you know, for whatever, Middleboro, this is Middleboro, these are all the things that happen to Mirabur, and then go to all these different sites as many as I can. Some of them are not going to do. Some of them are on private land and stuff like that, but there's a lot of these places that are just, you know, on the side of a road or just, you know, in a park somewhere, you know, so that's kind of like my main, I think I'm going to try to do some of those kind of videos, kind of like history slash kind of like history coming alive kind of thing. You know, I've kind of started to do that or some urban legend type stuff I started to do where I did Abrams Rock, which is like an urban legend in Massachusetts where Leggily a Native American, King Phillips War again. And Legerly Native America was friendly with the people in Swansea. This is where it is in Swansea. And King Phillips War breaks out. King Philip does not like that this Native American is friendly with the pilgrims. He doesn't want him to be.

So some sort of argument ensues. They capture him at his rock and Abrams Rock where he looks. lives, and they're like, all right, well, you go two choices. We can kill you now, or you can jump off this rock three times. If you survive the third jump, we'll let you live. And so story goes, legend goes, he jumps off once, survives, jumps off twice, survives. Third fall, he dies. So that's, that was like the urban legend. So I've been doing kind of like stuff like that where it's like maybe not necessarily as well known, you know what I mean, kind of bringing to like some old legends and stories that maybe people never heard of. Yeah. Because I think that's going to be an avenue where I can get,

Yeah, because it's, you know, if people search it on YouTube, I'm going to be the only video that pops up for it, you know. And I think it serves a value too. Oh, yeah. Educational. Yeah, history value. It's huge. Because as somebody who loves history and also loves this paranormal stuff, that's the blending of two worlds for me. Yeah.

That's great. That's great. I just had this song, and I wrote it down so I didn't forget. I had a guy on my show not too long ago, Mark Steves, from my family thinks I'm crazy. and he has within the last year or two been mapping these megalithic sites he's been finding in New England. Oh, interesting.

It might be a good idea to connect with him and either have him come with you or I know he sells a PDF of what he's been finding and maybe go to those locations and do what you do at these locations. No, hell yeah.

I'd see what happens. Yeah. No, hell yeah. Now, was he the one that came on was talking about some of the Native American like the giant stuff. Was that him?

Because I did hear an episode. It might have been. Is he from Connecticut or something? Yeah. I called it Megalithic New England. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did listen to that episode. I think it's some of the things that he was bringing up are some of the things that are in kind of the Native American culture where I'm at.

Okay. Because he's from like Connecticut area. It's all Algonquin. Yeah. The Algonquin tribe. But within the Algonquin tribe, there's different, you know, Wampanog, Nipuk. There's a bunch of different kinds. So it's interesting to hear him describe some of the Native American stuff because it's even a little.

little bit different than what the Wampanogs believe. You know, it's strange how like it's somewhat similar, but then they have their own little like spin on it. Yeah. Yeah. So I found it very interesting. So I'll have to hook up with him. Yeah, I'm sure he would he would hook up with you and stuff. Yeah. He's a, he's a really good guy. And, you know, it'd be, you guys probably would have a really good conversation on his podcast too. I'll see if I can hook it up. But you mentioned earlier about how you were praying to God and that like, do you, do you, do you, do you feel like there's a God mission here for you when it comes to being a paranormal investigator? I honestly, I've been thinking more and more yes. Now, the reason why I say that is because I,

but in the past year, I've been going, I started to go back to church again. And I'm, you know, my faith is like renewed and stuff like that. And I feel like there's definitely an empty hole as far as paranormal and Christianity there. Because for, you know, I was growing up, a lot of people would be like, okay, well, you can't, you shouldn't ghost hunt, you shouldn't, everything's a demon, you know, all that kind of like. like old school mentality of like, you know, not messing with the paranormal at all. Whereas like, I don't think the Bible necessarily says that you shouldn't mess with the paranormal at all, you know, as far as like, yes, you shouldn't do witchcraft.

Yes, you shouldn't talk to ghosts to try to get life advice about the future and stuff like that. You should go to God for that. And I think that's what the Bible is very clear on. But I don't think the Bible says anything about, you know, doing an EVP session. I don't think that's witchcraft, in my opinion. Okay. You know, some people out there may think like that.

Like, you know, some of the old school kind of like Christian people. I don't think like that. And I've, you know, I've been praying and to ask God to bless my channel and, like, have him come through. And I said that prayer. And then the next week immediately I get to pray, you know. So I think that's God's way of saying, yeah, there is something here that I can shine through. I just haven't exactly figured out what that is yet, you know, whether that's being like a Christian paranormal investigator and being more like open about that on my. channel, you know, and kind of like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm still trying to like figure that

out. Yeah, I would, just from my own opinion, I feel like I wouldn't try assuming a character and just let you be you on for the public. And that's kind of just how I've done to myself. And, and if, if your walk with God is starting to strength right now, let that be what it is. and if it comes up in conversation while you're talking a video, it is what it is. People sniff out fake, phony stuff. They know when somebody is trying to push an agenda and stuff.

And I get accused of trying to push my faith on people. Listen, I'm just being me. I really don't care. In all honesty, like with the way I believe when it comes to like heaven and my salvation and all that stuff, like your salvation?

None of my business. Like it just isn't, you know? I would love to see people, you know, come to faith in Christ because I know how amazing it was for me. But at the end of day, I don't want to say I don't care because that sounds mean, but it's like, that's between you and God. Like, it's not my business. And I mean, it's like one of those things where you can't save somebody. You can lead the horse in the water.

You can't make them drink. So at the end of the day, like, it's out of my hands. I ain't sweating. You know what I mean? So, like, I just am who I am in my show. And because my, what I do is talking, it comes through maybe a lot more than maybe somebody who does investigative work, but just be you and just let it just unfold however God, because God's going to will it.

Yeah, God will let it unfold, you know? So I think it's really cool, though. I mean, I went through a stage on this show, actually. I, when I started the podcast, I had started really coming to this, like, shift in my own life where I was like, the Christian church is this, that, and the other American church, blah, I'm angry, and I wound up leaving the church I was going to, and it took me a while to get to another church. And, you know, when I got to that church, I was being hypercritical and, you know, just real grumpy about everything. And it wasn't until recently, I was, because I, I, I started

going to church and I found a church that I liked up there. And then we go to church down here, we like the church we're at now and all that. But I, I would still have this grumpy mindset. And I would say, you know, things like, you know, the American church, it's all corporate and, you know, blah, blah, blah. I just kind of down here. And I do feel that way. But it's funny. My producer Joseph for some of these films and he works for Mercantia, he said to me, he said, well, I got saved in one of those churches. And then I made me pause and I was like, yeah, me too.

And all of a sudden it just was like, they said. serve a purpose. It may not be my, it may not be good for me, you know, and maybe I outgrew the the church kind of thing. Yeah. But they, they definitely serve a purpose. Oh, absolutely. And, and so I kind of like, I kind of been backtracking on that, admitting where I was wrong on that stuff. Sure. Sure. I don't know how I got on this. Let's get back to. No. No. But it's interesting to hear you talk about that stuff and how, you know, your view on your faith is playing into the channel, because it is weird. Yeah. But at the, like, kind of circle it back around with this.

We are living in a supernatural existence that is void of acknowledgement from the American Christian Church. Oh, yeah. And that is a problem that I'll always have until they change it. Yeah. And people like you and I step out out of line and we pursue the supernatural in our own ways. And that gets a lot of criticism from the masses, you know, sure. Now over the last, I'd say six years that I've experienced doing podcasting,

I've been seeing a lot of those, what I would call the masses, kind of swerving back into my lane a little bit. They're dipping their toes. They're like, you might be on to something here. And I don't believe in all this, but this over here. And I think we do serve a purpose. And it's because there is this God that everybody says they believe in. That's a supernatural God who brought all this into existence supernaturally. And that's supernaturally. And that's super naturalism has never left. We just left the theology of it. And so we're kind of, we're kind of bringing it back to the old school. Yeah, that's true. And so that's how I view it. And I just host conversation with interesting people, you know? Like, over the years, I've had so many different

types of people on the show, you know, and there's been at least five Satanists on this show that people had no idea were Satanists because it just was not pertinent to the conversation. Right. We brought them on for their experiences. They shared it. They didn't try pushing their anything. Nobody knows. Yeah. Because it is, and I think three or four of them, yeah, only one of them I knew going into it.

Oh, really? Yeah, I had no idea. Interesting. And it was just like one of those things where it was like I didn't feel any conviction about it. I was just like, they shared their experience and this is what God told me to do. Like before I was a podcaster, I felt God told me that he put me. in this community to affect change.

Well, that's not affect change for people who aren't saying this. That's not affect, you know, or witches, you know? Right, right. Like Joel, the one guy, not from Van Tessel, but there's another guy, Joel, that was on the podcast. I forget what we called it, but it was a fantastic show. And he was a witch. Wow.

Like, let's put this way. Before we started the interview, I asked him, I said, you know I'm a Christian, right? And he's like, yeah. And I said, we're not going to have their problems, right? And he's like, no, Tony, I love you, man. I was like, okay, I just want to make sure because you were probably... I've been through this before.

Yeah. I've been through the... But he was... That's so funny. He said that. Oh, it's funny. No, but I was thinking, like, you know, he was... Because I've talked to pagans before and I've talked to people in the new age and all that stuff, right?

People who do alternate things. He was the one that I was... He was the only one I was ever nervous to talk to because of what I knew about him going into it. Like, he... Like, Joel is a nice guy. to me. He's not a nice guy to everybody. Yeah. And I was like, this dude's for real.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's just been, it's been an interesting journey. And when you brought that up, it just kind of got my wheels turning and stuff. So the last 15 minutes, if people didn't like it, it is what it is. Yeah. But before I go too far off the deep end, was there anywhere else you wanted to cover? I know you've covered a lot of different things.

I mean, I could talk all day It depends how much more you want to hear I'm fine with you. I think that the Bridgewater Triangle, Huckamuck Swamp is fascinating And I think you're making a really good move focusing in on that area And then branching out into more educational areas as well

Like the historical side of things If you can connect with Mark And start hitting some of these megalithic spots up, it'd be fascinating. Because I don't think he's done paranormal stuff there. Just kind of cataloging the structures themselves. Like he's showing pictures of them and things like that. And apparently they're more frequent than people realize. It'd be fascinating to see what you uncover while being at this spot. Because I don't think he's done the paranormal. No, I'm highly doubt anybody has. You know what I mean? So we'd probably be the first people to do it. Fascinating. I think is interesting. The, so I, I, I, I,

I think Tennessee is the best place to live ever. But I think the history where you're at is a treasure trope for you. Oh, my God, yeah. I mean, you're never going to run out places of visit. No, not at all. I mean, I've just been doing like early New England history stuff. I haven't got into like revolutionary war stuff. It's wild.

You know what I mean? I'm just in like the 1600s. You know what I mean? Let alone like, you know, the other stuff that happened after, which is a lot of history itself. Tons. Yeah, dude. Endless. Do you hear stories?

up there from being there. You may not, but like, you remember the movie, Nicholas Cage, what was that movie called? Jack, do you remember the name of the movie? Ghost Rider?

Not Ghost Rider. The one where he's like in Philadelphia, National Treasure. Oh, yeah. National Treasure. Good one. So like in National Treasure, he's, you know,

running around doing all this treasure hunting stuff in cities and covering these secret lost spots in cities. Have you heard of anything like that up in your area? Like lost cities? Not lost cities, but just like, you know, secret, like, is there any legends of like, you know, 300 years ago this organization supposedly hid this in the city of Boston and, you know, nobody's ever found it? Have you ever come across anything like that?

Anything like gold. Now, there's a couple. There's one, I don't know the name of the guy. I think it's up in Gloucester. There was a pirate gold story like that where this guy allegedly had pirate gold and he buried in in this tomb or underneath a rock and many people have tried to go in there and like try to find it and they can't find it you know that there's that story there's another one as far as like i'm trying to think like treasure stuff um there's a story going back to like king

philip's war king philip had this belt that was called the wampum belt now wampum is like i'm trying to describe it the best way i can i think it's like it's like pieces of like stone or shells or something made to look like, they're like different colors and stuff. And so they'd make this elaborate belts out of them with like, they would either tell the story of their people, like different events, you know,

like huge, you know, probably six feet long or something. And then they also had, he also had this like star sort of necklace thing. So that has been lost since 16, seven or something. Here.

Yeah. In Massachusetts, it's somewhere. So allegedly the story goes, allegedly Anawan that we were talking about before had it and he gave it to allegedly gave it to Benjamin Church but that's kind of where it disappears from there

no one knows what happened after it was supposed to originally supposed to go to the King of England for sort of like you know just because they won the war and they were like oh we're going to send you all these you know we'll say they send them cranberries and stuff from Massachusetts and all these other things because they won the war to celebrate and the Wampum belt and that other stuff was supposed to be in there

but it never made it. So no one knows what happened to it, whether Benjamin Church had it or someone else had it. It's just gone and lost forever. No one knows what happened to it. Ooh. So when you said Wampum? Wampum belt. Yeah. Wampum belt. I just started thinking about that guy. See, I'm not good with movies. That glove, the glove, the Marvel glove guy. Oh, yeah, Thanos. Yes. Like, that's what I started thinking. Oh, tell me more. Tell me how this is going to destroy you. But that's interesting, too. Yeah, yeah, it's just like treasure. Yeah, yeah. It is like a treasure.

It's amazing, actually. Yeah. I wonder if it's still intact. Like, imagine if it's lost. You know what I mean? But you said it was made out of stones and stuff? Stone and like leather. Probably leather-backed.

Yeah, I mean, it could very well be around still. For sure. That's interesting. Wouldn't it be cool if like it was hidden somewhere like in like the deep tunnel system underneath the city or something like that? Yeah. That would be so cool. Like you hear about these old cities, like the East Coast cities like Philly and Boston.

Dude. there's got to be some kind of like basement somewhere where you're knocking a wall and there's a whole other room that goes down a steps staircase and all of a sudden opens up into this forgotten section of the city. For sure. Boston's like that for sure. I mean, half of Boston is,

was literally water that they filled in with like huge wood pylons. Really? Yeah. Oh yeah. Boston, the original Boston is like small. Really? Yeah, it was like an inlet with like, you know, land and then marsh all the way around it kind of thing.

Wow. And they, back in those days, they didn't really care. So they're like, all right, we're just going to fill this in. So that's what they did. They filled it in. Like, they literally put, like, huge trees down into the swamp or the marsh and then filled it in with, like, soil and land and up top. Wow.

Yeah. Original Boston is, like, small. So if you ever go to Boston. Yeah. If you ever go to Boston, yeah, it is buried. Yep. If you ever go to Boston, I could show you, like, the original Boston. And it's amazing how much of it is, was added on.

later. That's amazing. I love this stuff, man. Like, like, we, we, we started out talking about the huckmuck swamp and the paranormal and we're still talking about the same area, just a different aspect of it. Oh, yeah. It's endless. There's endless things in Massachusetts. It's a New England in general, you know. You're never leaving, are you? I don't know. I mean, you've been there as long as I've known you. Yeah, I mean, I lived in Pennsylvania for a few years. That's true. That's true. But other than that, yeah, primarily. I mean, I'm always, open to like move somewhere else and stuff like i never want to be one of those people that's like oh i'm not going to do this not going to do that yeah you know because you end up doing it

i got you so i was like i'll just you know i'll leave i'm always open to whatever whatever life takes me i'll go yeah you know man well before we get out of here uh tell people again youtube channel where they can yeah uh canadian dutch boy studios is where you can find i do weekly youtube videos every single thursday 7 p.m obviously you can find all my backlog videos on there as well. I have TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. What else? Is that it? That's, oh, Twitter.

Exploring with Phil. Phil with two L's. I think the only one that's not exploring with Phil is Twitter because it's too many characters. So I think it's like exploring underscore Phil, I don't know, something like that. Gotcha. Yeah, but. Yeah, and I know on Instagram, the picture Garrett Hoover design. Yes, that's right. Yeah, shout out to him.

Yeah. Yeah. I've had that logo, which seems forever now. It's been a long. A cool logo, man. Oh, hell. He did a great job. Yeah. No, shout out to him. If anyone ever needs logos, done or whatever, he's a great dude.

Garrett Hoover. I follow him on Instagram, so you can just look for my follows. Yeah. Yeah, he likes my post every once in a while. I'm like, oh, there you are. Yeah. He's a good guy. Well, I got a stalker.

And so I got to go handle some things with the police today. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, I wasn't planning on that. But, yeah, it turns out I got a stalker and I got to go take care of it because apparently my stalker isn't leaving. Oh. Yeah.

And it's my first stalker. So it's kind of like an achievement in a way. Yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of upset about this, but I'm kind of not about it. Yeah. I'm like,

I arrived, I guess. Yeah, that's how you know you've arrived. Yeah. I, like, I'll tell you the whole story. Yeah, yeah. I love you. Like literally right now, my stalker is here.

What? And it's, it's, it's border. line criminal. Oh, it's definitely, well, it's not criminal yet. Necessarily. But it's getting to a point where it's like, it's getting shady. They're visiting places asking for me.

Gotcha. And people are contacting me saying, hey, you know, and I'm not as worried as my wife is, she's worried that somebody's going to finally show up at the house kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I live in Tennessee for a reason, friends. That's right. Just remember that.

I've been dangerous. Very on both So yeah I got to go take care of it at the police But it was great having you Oh dude it was incredible Thank you again I appreciate everything you do for me

Sharing my post Every since the beginning You've been helping me out so I love it man I appreciate it People check them out Can you give me more juice In my headphones

I'm bad with That's much better thank you I'm deaf by the way This is great for my job I'm actually I told Lindsay that I need to go to a specialist for my ears. Really?

Yeah, because it's kind of... It's that bad. Yeah. Like, I think it might be, was it called Tinnitus? Okay, I think so. I think it's called that. It's like, I get certain frequencies make my right ear vibrate real hard.

And unfortunately, it's my voice that does it the most. So, like, I hear myself talking right now or when I'm in post-production, and I think there's something wrong with the audio. That's what I thought for a while. And then at one day, I pulled my right ear off the headphone, not my right ear, the headphone ear off, and I just listened to my left and I didn't hear it anymore.

And I was like, oh, I have an ear problem. Oh, that sucks. Yeah. But so I got to get it checked out and fix, because last night I was using cue tips in my ears, and I had blood on my right ear. Really? Yeah.

Yikes. You don't think you pop your ear drum or something, do you? I don't know. I can still hear, and it doesn't hurt. It's just really annoying. And yesterday I had just a little bit of blood. And then I was like, is that blood? So I dipped it back in there.

I was like, oh, yeah, that's blood. Did you know? Yeah. And Lindsay was already asleep, so I just texted her like, hey, just so I don't forget to tell you because I'll forget. My ear was bleeding. So we might need to go to a doctor. Cheapers.

Well, hopefully that works out because, you don't got time for that. No, nobody got time. I got one good ear, though. So call me Van Gogo. You know, one of the great artists of the day. You have one of those little horns in the other years. Oh, it is what it is. But let's get to the business and then we'll introduce you.

Sounds good. I'm just going to run through the entire intro right now. And then we'll get it going. So you just hang tight and I'll do my business here. Welcome to the show. Everybody, you're listening to The Confessionals. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here.

If you've got a crazy, wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.