The Confessionals - 55: Mandalay Bay - What Happens In Vegas Gets Erased In Vegas

Episode Date: February 3, 2018

This week The Confessionals is having a special follow up show on the Vegas massacre. We will be bringing Dr. Rick Ardito back on the show to discuss some of his research into the life-changing night he experienced on October 1, 2017. We will be discussing many different topics that the doc has uncovered as he started down the rabbit hole seeking truth and answers. This will be a more light-hearted show as we will be joined by Alika Spahn Naihe (our Graphic Design Coordinator) from Hawaii who connected the doc and myself less than a week after the shootings. Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionals Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel This episode title was gotten from Ground Zero's Clyde Lewis. 

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and you'll check out all the cool different rewards we have waiting for you. Now, this week we have a special follow-up episode from The Mandalay Bay, The Untold Eyewitness Stories, episode 38, where I brought on Rick and Jeff who were at Vegas when the shooting happened. Now, Rick was actually at the concert being shot at, and Jeff was actually at the Bellagio, which is two miles away, where he heard gunshots as well within the Bellagio and heard somebody say there's a shooter. So we bring on Rick this week, who's been diving into research,

trying to find out what happened to him that night with his wife and their friends in Vegas at the Harvest Fest. Now, we're also bringing on Alika. Alika is actually the show's graphic design coordinator who also connected me to Rick and Jeff. So the three of us, Rick and Alika and myself, are going to be sitting around talking about some of Rick's research. It's going to be much more of a lighthearted conversation tonight. We're going to be enjoying each other's company and discussing what happened in Vegas. So without any further delay, let's bring on Rick.

Let's bring on Alika right after this. Okay, tonight I have a really good show. I'm really excited about doing this. and it's something that I've been wanting to do for quite some time, at least a month now, and it's just been kind of put on the back burner. I have two guys with me. One guy's name is Alika. The other guy's name is Rick.

You all know Rick from the Vegas show. He was the first witness on the show when he was actually at the concert being shot at. And I have Alika here. And Alika, if you are a patron, you do know who Alika is because he was on a show where we talked about how he connected me to Rick and Jeff, on the Vegas show. Alika is the guy who actually helped get that whole thing going. So Alika, how are you doing today, man? Doing great. In Hawaii. It's an awesome day. Yeah, it's nice. It's a little muggy, but it's nice. Yeah, absolutely. Now, Alika, you and I connected here and there and stuff, and you kind of put this whole thing together where what happened was you were getting messages

from a lot of different people who experienced stuff at Vegas. If you could for the audience now, for the public audience, could you just go into how that whole thing developed for you and, you know, what happened that you had these people emailing you? Yeah, so I heard about the Vegas shooting. I woke up that morning. I was kind of freaking out. And then I decided to just contact my friends who live in Vegas.

So I contacted them, and I was just listening to the, stories and one of my good friends, her husband, went to go pick up one of their friends who went to the concert and they were talking about like somebody was shot like right next to him and they were just telling me about all the crazy stuff that was going on. So I was kind of freaking out. I was just glad everybody was all right and I started looking into it and I contacted one of my other friends who lived in Vegas pretty much half of the year and me and him just started talking about stuff and he was saying, oh, I heard there were shootings at ARIA and I was telling them, okay, so what do you know about it right now? And, you know, we went over the whole pretty much the narrative of what was said happened.

And then I was just thinking, like, that doesn't make sense to me how all of this stuff can go down. And it's one guy and there's stuff going on everywhere else and there's these videos and whatnot. So I just posted something on Facebook to say, I heard there were shootings at Aria and New York, New York. but we're not hearing about that. And it was a real simple post. And I was just wondering, you know, anybody hear anything else about it, but we're not hearing about it.

So after that, I started getting flooded with notifications, comments, messages, shares, all of that. And that's where it kind of let off. And Rick contacted me and told me his side of the story. And then I started making albums for all of that, but people can see, like, first-hand account, second-hand account.

And that's where the page, started getting really popular or the post. Yeah, so, I mean, you made a Facebook post that went viral and then those people saw your post and they started contacting you and Rick was one of them. And I just, I think it's amazing how social media played into this whole Vegas incident. I mean, you have the mainstream media throwing a narrative at you and then you have people on social media who were there saying something totally different. and you're caught in this world

where it's like, who do you believe? Do you believe the media who's supposed to be in the know or do you believe the people who are claiming that were actually there? And I think this was probably one of the first times I've ever really experienced an American tragedy that had such a difference in narrative between the mainstream media

and what people who were actually there saying that they saw. And so that's how you and I got connected. And then I talked to Rick and I talked to Jeff. And I want to let everybody know before we get into tonight's show, I brought Alika on as the graphic design coordinator for the confessionals. It turns out Alika is a fantastic artist. And he told me that he'd be more than willing to work with the show. So now he is the graphic design coordinator. All the show art that you see for every episode is done by Alika.

So congratulations, Alika, on some of the graphic design coordinator. on some exposure on your artwork. I really appreciate you helping us, man. It just means a lot to be. Yeah, I appreciate it. I love it. I love what you're doing. So I just want to contribute and help it any way I can.

And it's fun. It's fun because I already draw while I listen to your stuff. So I come up with all these ideas and just hearing the imagery that is being described. And I already draw it out. So why not do it for the show? Yeah. And it's just so cool that, you know, I have you two guys on today. and we got connected through a tragedy.

And since then, we've been in connection with each other. And we were talking about doing stuff together, you know, before we came on here for the show. And it's just really cool how, like, circumstances that were so awful, there are still good that come out of it. And Rick, I want to bring you on now and bring you into the conversation. When we last talked, you shared what happened to you in Vegas. And we're not going to rehash that because if anybody wants to hear it, It's episode 38, Mandalay Bay, The Untold Stories. And your story was very impactful.

Since that interview, you've actually gotten your PhD and you've been looking into a lot of different things. Before we get into the different things and the details that you've been uncovering, I would like for you to correct the narrative that people were spewing about your friend Kimberly that died. Thank you, Tony. Yeah. So many of the listeners might not know that Kimberly took up.

Camel was a young lady. She was 28 years old. She died right about a week after the shooting. She died the Monday morning, so just over a week after the shooting. And Kimberly was one of the five people in my group. We knew each other for quite some time. In fact, Kimberly was part of my church small group that we hosted our house. And so my wife knew Kimberly for quite a while, and I was really getting to know Kimberly quite a bit. And there's been a lot of speculation surrounding her death because of the fact that she was a young woman and, you know, she was very outspoken about there being, in her opinion, multiple shooters at the event, very contrary to what the official narrative was.

And so people started speculating that she was killed for that opinion and whatever that might be. So what people don't know in general is that Kimberly suffered from a couple of different conditions that were neurological. One was epilepsy. And the other thing is that she had a pituitary gland tumor. And so it looked like from the outset that Kimberly had had a grand mal seizure and passed away as a result. And the local coroner did an autopsy. And that's what they confirmed as well. So unfortunately, she just had a condition. And she had previously told me, in a situation that was going on months before Vegas that was stressful for her that she had to

remove herself from stress because they caused her seizures. And so then Sunday night, which was the eighth, she told our group that she had had three seizures that day, and that had never happened before. And obviously that was scary. And then on Monday, the 9th, early in the morning, sometime between 4.30 and 7.30, it looks like she had another seizure and passed away. So it doesn't look like it has anything to do with. with anybody trying to shut her up or anything like that.

And quite honestly, there's been quite a few other people who have been a lot more vocal in contrary to the main narrative that they put out there. Gio Rios comes to mind. You know, if they were trying to shut somebody up, you'd think they'd go for people who were really vocal about it. Yeah, absolutely. And it was really frustrating for me because I did have a more personal connection to her.

because you told me the situation. And everywhere I looked, there was articles popping up everywhere saying that she was knocked off. And every time I saw it, I typed out this long comment telling people that it's not true. This is actually, you know, somebody who was on, a friend of mine or a friend that was on the show. And I copy, I took that post and I actually took a screenshot of it. I kept it on my phone. So every time I saw that article online, I would just drop that picture. there for people to read. And it was really frustrating for me because even InfoWars picked it up

and a lot of different places picked it up selling this narrative. And I really kind of got this inside look as to not just the mainstream media, but any media that has a narrative that they want to push, they manipulate stories to do so without actually doing the proper research. When I saw what they were doing with her, it just made me really upset. And it was just from Info Wars to this channel to that channel. They were all saying this thing. And, and, you know, InfoWars is supposed to be this, you know, news outlet that people go to to get the truth and, you know, the undercover stories that CNN won't tell you and Fox News won't tell you.

And he does the same exact thing that they do only on the other side of the fence, you know? And so it really taught me that this whole experience, it really taught me that it doesn't matter who you think you enjoy listening to for your news. They all have their own narrative and they all will tell you what they want to tell you. you to basically to sell. And so it really left me feeling not a lot of trust for any news media. And that's why ever since this, I've told people, because like we were, you know, the political stuff and all that stuff. And I tell people, I don't watch the news. And like, well, what do you go for your news? I'm like, I get the highlights and then I make my own decision. I make my own

idea of what happened and stuff. And I do my own research. And people just don't, they don't get it. Like, why would you do your own research when the CNN and Fox News are telling you? Well, because what they're telling you isn't necessarily true. Right. They're wrapping it up in their, in their wrapping. Their gift wrapping to be like, yeah, we want you to see it this way. There's no good guys or bad guys. It's just all about attention.

Yeah. It's the same beast with different masks. Exactly. And it really shapes your thoughts. And that's something that I realized coming off of the Las Vegas shooting. And we listened to news talk radio all the way home on a three-hour drive. And it took me a few days to separate what I had heard on the news versus what I had experienced. Because it really, you start to hear these things over and over again.

You start to, it just becomes a truth in your mind, even if it's not true. So you have to be careful. You're absolutely right. And I think we're as a general public starting to wake up to that idea. I really do. I mean, the more I talk to people, the more I just sense this distrust they have for the media in general. And I don't play that sides game. I don't tell you, I plug into Fox. I don't plug into CNN. I don't play the whole liberal versus conservative, Democrat versus Republican. I don't play that game. And so if somebody's looking for me to pick a side, I'm not your guy. That's not what I do.

I it's left wing or right wing but it's part of the same bird if you lose the beat then we all get eaten right that's just the way it is right you know it's all it's all about that the ratings right so they're just going to tell you what you want to hear they know their demographic and they want to divide people so that people end up being loyal to a certain side and they'll listen to anything you got to say and we'll be right back after a message from our sponsors you know like exactly now they can tell you stuff. Yeah, you know, it's basically this. I mean, we have North Korea going on and the whole big debate with nuclear war and all that stuff and you're picking sides and we're all arguing. At the end of the day,

if it happens, we're all charcoal. We're all dead. Yeah. You know, it doesn't matter what your ideology is. You're not going to be immune to a nuclear war because you're a liberal or you're a conservative. And I think as Americans, as time goes on, we just need to start waking up to the fact that the news media doesn't have our best interest in mind. And there are a lot of different things. And Rick, I don't know if you've heard about this, and we can start kind of diving into some of the things you've been uncovering. But I think it was in 2012,

essentially, or was it 2016, essentially they passed a law basically saying that propaganda in America is now essentially legal to do for the news media. Obviously, for a long time, it was an illegal thing to do by law. but there was some kind of clause in a bill or something like that that allowed it to become a legal thing to do and just kind of get swept under the carpet, you know, and oh, business as usual, not really, not really. Right. I did hear something about that, Tony, kind of in periphery and the periphery when as I've, you know, been looking into a lot of this other stuff. And my initial thought was nothing's changing because that's what they've been doing for years, you know, whether or not they've admitted it, I mean, the news really has. has been really bad for a number of years.

And it's very propagandized. And, you know, and there's a lot of documentation to support it. In fact, what's the movie that came out recently about the Washington Post and having the story on Vietnam and not being able to release? There's a big Hollywood movie that just came out about it and how they were, you know, fighting with themselves and the government on whether or not they could release that. gotten worse since then. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not sure what that movie is. I'm awful with movies, but I know that in the past couple of years, there's been several movies that have come out that kind of point to what you're talking about and

stuff. And sometimes I wonder, you know, people talk about soft disclosure and things like that. Sometimes I wonder if Hollywood is in the pocket of somebody and they reveal certain truths to us through our movies because it's just odd how you have these eerie similarities over time with, you know, what you see in the movies and what you see in the movies and what's happening in real life. And sometimes it feels like the things that are happening in real life line up almost on the timeline right around the same time this movie comes out. It's like that's kind of odd. And it happens more often than you'd like to see. You know, those weird coincidences, obviously you start to get into that stuff and you start to think, man, this,

this really isn't coincidence. And I wasn't really going to bring this portion up until a little bit later, but, you know, part of my investigation has really gotten into some of this, what they might call Illuminati. And people, you know, kind of hear that term and they recoil and think, oh, here it comes again, like the conspiracy there's. That's actually what they call themselves, okay? It's not somebody, nobody made that term up. That's what they call themselves. Right. And there was these Illuminati playing cards that came out in the 1990s. And they depicted the 2011 World Trade Center attack on one of the cards, or the 2001, I'm sorry, the 9-11, 2001 World Trade Center attack on one of the cards

and the Pentagon attack on one of the cards. And so it's like, you know, were they planning this all along? I don't know, there's some evidence that definitely suggests that. There's been, there was about a 15-year run where they're basically, trying to convince the people that that terrorists wanted to bring down the Twin Towers, you know, leading up to the 9-11 attack. So I don't know. Yeah, it's literally, when you look at the timeline, there's an underlying narrative that's being painted. And if you put on the right lenses, you'll see it, you know? It's just a lot of times, I really think people have a hard time

getting out of this comfort zone that they've been raised in. Like, for generations, we've been thought, we've been taught to think a certain way and to know that there's certain truths about our country that are unshakable, you know, and it's just, it's preposterous to think that there be an underlying agenda. And when you change those lenses and you start looking deeper past the surface, you start uncovering things. And then when you have intelligent people taking these puzzle pieces and putting them together, I mean, I'm not that guy. Like, I'm not the guy that puts puzzle pieces together. I'm the guy that talks to people that does because I'm off with puzzles. You're the guy with the biggest table that everybody can make the puzzle on. There you go. I've built the tape. I'm the

carpenter. I built the table and I let the puzzle people, people come and build the puzzle. So you know who else was a carpenter? Jesus. So, you know, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I think not. Oh my gosh. Hopefully I survived this interview. So. The lightning mess. Yeah. Oh, man. So let's bring it back here. Rick, you know, when we were talking earlier and stuff, you kind of went into some things that you wanted to kind of touch on. And some of the things I had heard about and some of the things I had not heard about. And so you'll have to definitely enlighten me. So we'll start with the first thing you mentioned to me, something that I'm very unfamiliar with. You talked about him hopping on a one-way ticket to Phoenix or coming back from Phoenix. So how'd that whole thing work out?

Okay. Yeah. So to preface this kind of like portion, this little this little, this little puzzle piece of the story. I'm sure many of the listeners are familiar with what we know as Operation Fast and Furious, which was the gun running scheme to Mexican drug cartel members in an effort to track them and apparently make arrests. And that was conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms out of their Phoenix, Arizona office. And we know about other gun running operations conducted by the ATF. And the common denominator has always been this Phoenix Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and firearms location.

And so there's been some speculation. And this stuff came out instantly, like right away that Stephen Paddock was involved in some kind of a gun selling or gun running scheme connected to the government. Well, one YouTuber in particular has done a really good job investigating. this whole story. And he uncovered through a source gave him a rental car receipt that was from Stephen Paddock. And through a series of more investigation, what he uncovered was is that a couple of weeks

before this October 1st shooting, I think actually three weeks before, Stephen Paddock jumped on a one-way flight from Las Vegas to Phoenix. He rented a van and he drove back to Las Vegas. And some interesting tidbits about that whole thing is when you turn a rental car back in, on the receipt, it shows how long you had the car and how many miles you put on the car. So he had the car about five more hours than it takes. It's about a five hour drive back to Las Vegas. He had the car about a total of 10 hours. And he put on approximately an extra 55 miles on the car than the trip actually takes.

So he was running around doing something. and the fact that he decided to take a one-way flight and then rent a car and drive back suggests that he was transporting something he didn't want to fly with. And so it seems to be another piece of that puzzle that could suggest he really was in some sort of a gun-bime gun-selling scheme. And then something that came out with this recent preliminary report that also lends to that. I don't know if you guys heard about this, is that. There was these three emails that Paddock sent between two email accounts that he owned.

And it was like his main email account sent to another email account that he owned. And the first email said something to the effect of, we have a large selection of ARs in Las Vegas. You can come check it out. And then the email that received that account sends a reply back to his other email account. We also have a large selection of optics and ammunition to try. And then he replies one more time from the original email account for a good time, try a bump stock with a hundred round magazine. And it's like he's selling guns to himself. So what's going on here?

I think the most likely explanation is that somebody else had access to one of those two email accounts. And he's basically communicating with somebody without us being able to figure out who he's communicating with because it looks like he's talking to himself. Well, he's not talking to himself. That's preposterous. So it seems like this whole theory that he was somehow connected to some government agency, or maybe not, maybe just straight up, you know, like Lord of Guns thinks he's Nicholas Cage. I don't know. Yeah. But selling guns in some way.

Well, you know, he did work for Lockheed Martin. We know that he was an accountant for them. And, you know, I've heard different interviews where they talked about, you don't make millions of dollars. even working for Lockheed Martin as an accountant. He had some kind of income coming in on the side to be that millionaire. And it turns out Lockheed Martin is the number one arms dealer nation. I think actually in the world, isn't it? I believe you're correct.

I mean, he has that tied to Lockheed Martin. And you just tied it in with Phoenix, you know, the possible gun running there and stuff. I mean, he very well could have been working for some kind of alphabet agency. doing some kind of black operation with gun dealing. Like you mentioned earlier about the Fast and a Furious, we know that happened. That literally did happen. It was covered on your precious mainstream media. Like, it happened.

And so what makes you think that just because they got caught doing it one time, they're going to stop doing it? That's just silly. It's never been the case. I'm going to get better at hiding it. Right. Yeah. And so, I mean, you kind of start tying these dots.

it's like, I feel like we're putting the puzzle together on the table and you're starting to see the picture come together, but you're still saying, hey, where's the pieces for this part right here? We see one eye. We need another eye, you know? And so I think that the puzzle pieces is starting to come together. And I also find it very disconcerting the way they locked down any information coming out from this investigation since like the second or third week into it. I mean, you don't hear a peep. This is the biggest, massacre we've had and you don't hear a peep about it. And you start seeing like the weird things where they're into interviews. I can't remember his name, the, uh, the sheriff in Vegas.

Lombardo, Joe Lombardo. Yes, Lombardo. When he started the interviews and talking to the media, he was very assertive, very confident of himself. And you literally see on camera him start deteriorating with his, uh, ambition to talk to the media. And, uh, I, I can't remember the details. But I believe I remember hearing something about at one point, somebody was standing behind him with the FBI telling him not to answer a certain question or something like that. I could be missed remembering. Yeah, don't go there. And that's that's Aaron Rouse of the FBI standing behind him, by the way.

Could you enlighten us who that is? I can't remember his official title, but he is like second or third in command, something like that. And he's like there's a connection to Tony Podesta or to, is it Tony Podesta? John Podesta. John Podesta. There's a connection to John Podesta. He's like his godson or something like that. Right.

And we'll get into that, I'm sure, in a few minutes here. But we'll take a break right now. When we come back, we'll jump right back into it with Rick and Alika. When you start watching the sheriff break down, you start watching the sheriff break down, you start seeing that this is a man who, one, he is crumbling under pressure, but two, you wouldn't I'm sorry, if you're the sheriff, if you're handling this situation, it's awful, I understand that. But if you had the complete support and honest, the honest support of the FBI behind you, you would feel more confident.

Like, if you're working this operation together and we're all working in one direction, which is to try to figure out what happened and we want to enlighten the, public on what happened so that this doesn't happen again. We're seeking truth. If that's really happening, I don't think that guy breaks down the way he broke down. But I really feel like he was uncovering information that he was not allowed to talk about. And they pretty much put a muzzle on him because it's like, you talk about this. You're done, dude. You're done. And he even said it so much in the interviews. I mean, at one point in the interviews, didn't he say that to his recollection, there had to be multiple shooters because he doesn't see how one guy could have pulled this off.

Yeah, something. That's one of the things. Yeah. Something to that effect, basically. I mean, he gets to a point where he's like, come on, folks, do you really think one guy accomplished all this on his own? And he says this, you know, on live TV. So obviously, you know, his thoughts were different than what they were portraying to the public.

But one of the things is that has been frustrating is, like you said, they constantly paraded Joe Lombardo out there for about three weeks. And you could tell they were really controlling him, the don't go there that was caught on the microphone, things like that. But the other thing that that always irritated me about that is Las Vegas Metro Police Department was not in charge of the investigation. And how do we know that? Well, I'm connected with thousands of survivors of the shooting through support groups. And many of us had pieces of information, things that we saw that we wanted to report because we thought they were out of the norm. And anybody who ever called Las Vegas Metro Police Department to report something was directed straight to the FBI.

Las Vegas Metro did not collect any information. So who's conducting the investigation? The FBI is. But yet they're parading Joe Lombardo out there. And then they're parading this preliminary report that came out last week with Las Vegas Metro's names all over it. But Las Vegas Metro is not conducting the investigation. So the FBI is disassociating themselves with it on purpose. Why do you think that is?

What would be their motive to parade Lombardo out there and not just take the reins? If they're actually covering this investigation, but they're not taking the reins publicly on it, what would be the motivation behind that, do you think? Maybe it's a trust thing. I don't know. Maybe they feel like the public doesn't trust the FBI as much as they shouldn't. And that sounds kind of crazy to some people. understand that. But what's happened over this period of about 15 to 20 years in the age of the internet is a lot of the things that the FBI has done wrong have come out. And people are starting to catch on to this. I don't know if you guys caught this, but not long after this massacre happened, Julian Assange tweeted something to the effect of nearly all terrorist attacks are basically orchestrated by the FBI.

And then they come in like the heroes trying to save the day, basically saying shame on the FBI. And I don't know how everybody feels about Julian Assange, but one thing that's never happened is nothing he's posted has ever been proven to be untrue. And so he obviously has a reason to believe that. And people are starting to catch on to that. And one of the things we know for sure that the FBI has done in the sense of basically orchestrating terrorism or aiding it, is the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The bomb-making material was provided by the FBI to the terrorists in that attack. And they said they had planned to stop him before it happened,

and they botched that in some way. And the only reason we know that is because a media outlet figured it out and had to ask the FBI directly. It's not like the FBI came out right after the bombing and said, oh, we screwed up, we provided this bomb-making material, and this is what happened. No, somebody figured out the information and the FBI couldn't back

their way out of it. Yeah, you know, I think, and I could be wrong with this, but from what I understand, they do that a lot, and I'm not sure, it might be, very, very well might be what happened in 93, but they find people who have a propensity to be willing to commit terrorist acts.

They go undercover and they encourage it. They start providing the things to pursue that terrorist attack to catch that person with the willingness to carry it out and to stop them right before it happens so that they can, you know, say that they took down a terrorist, that they prove that he's willing to do it because the guy essentially pulled out a gun and wanted to shoot somebody, but they didn't have bullets kind of thing, you know, like that's what, that's the goal. They want to optically show that this person was going to kill lots of people, but they stopped it. And sometimes that gets botched.

And so... What better way to create a hero than to first create the villain, right? Make your own... Make the problem first. And then you come in and solve it. And that seems to be what they've been doing. And I think they're trying to disconnect themselves from this so that they can put the cover-up accusations onto the Las Vegas Metro instead.

Because they're trying to... They're just trying to stay in the back and orchestrate stuff while they have the puppets in front. You know, they're putting on a show, right? That's what I think it is. Yeah. To put it on a show. Well, what you said there, Alika, you know, could it be that the world isn't as crazy as they're telling us it is? No, that can't be.

Are they painting a narrative that isn't necessarily what the world is really made of? I don't know. Well, and they've done this before, Tony. You know, one of the things that I looked into since this Las Vegas shooting, the Kennedy file. those Kennedy files got released. And one of the things that actually we knew before those Kennedy files got released, but it got brought back into the spotlight because of that, is that this is how the FBI and the CIA have been operating for years.

Back in the 60s, they had plotted to blow up some targets in Miami, to blow up some rafts of Cuban refugees in order to start war with Cuba, in order to manufacture American support for a war with Cuba. And it's not the first time or last time they've done that. Well, that plan didn't go through because Kennedy wouldn't approve it. Kennedy wouldn't sign off on it. But I don't know if you guys remember, but after the 9-11 World Trade Center attacks, about the next week, we started having this issue with anthrax.

You guys remember the anthrax scares. And so essentially what was happening is somebody was sending anthrax through the U.S. Postal Service to people. And anthrax is a deadly genetically engineered, basically like a virus or some sort of organism, microorganism. And it comes in the form of a white powder. And the initial narrative was, oh, this anthrax is coming from Iraq. Saddam Hussein is sending this anthrax. And anthrax is something we had provided to them during when they were fighting the Soviets.

And so the FBI started looking into this, and the original FBI team that looked into this determined that the anthrax did not come from Iraq. They determined that it came from an army laboratory that the CIA was operating out of, the secret army laboratory. And so one of the things that happened is that FBI team was pulled off the investigation, and it was given to a new FBI team. And then what they ended up doing is they ended up pinning it on this one scientist that was working out of that lab that maintained his innocence forever. Two of the senators who got sent anthrax said they don't believe he was involved. The original FBI investigative team that got pulled off of the investigation said there's no way he was the person who did it. But they pinned it on him. And then years later, he was found a term I like to use is suicided.

He had committed suicide is the official story, but... Right. Yeah, it's funny how all these different people get quote-unquote suicided. And if anybody is wondering what that term really means, it's basically saying the narrative that he created... The narrative is that he committed suicide, but really he was probably murdered. So I totally agree with you, man, because I think that happens far more than what we know. And I have, this is a side note, and I, I'm not sure if I can actually tell this story. I'll tell it anyways.

And if I have to take it out, I'll take it out. So I have, I went to school with a guy when I was in Bible College. I went to a Bible college and I was up one late one night talking to one of the guys on my floor. And him and I were just kind of getting to know each other. We didn't know each other real well, but we were both really into basketball. and he started spilling the beans one night with me about some of the things that his dad dealt with with the Clintons

and I just don't know if I can talk about this now that I'm thinking about it I just I don't know if I want to go down that road I'll tell you I'll say any names no I I'm not gonna I

until I have the green light I can't tell the story I'll tell you guys about it off air okay well you got me started I was on the answer my Yeah, no, yeah. Well, you guys will get to hear it once we're done with this. To everybody else, I'm sorry.

I can't until I have the, let's put it this way. This guy I have reached out to him since I started the show and he told me that he's talked to his father and I might be able to actually interview his dad, but I have to go on scene because his dad lives out in basically the mountains of nowhere where he has no internet connection. He's off the grid. So, yeah, there's some things there. But let's just carry on. Yeah, if it happens. I'll fly out for that interview, Tony. Yeah.

I believe it's Kentucky. I'm not sure where he's at, though. Anyways, Rick, let's get back on track with you and your research. You know, he talked about the whole Phoenix gun running possible scenario. But let's get into the child pornography as well. it's been in the news that his brother Bruce was caught with child porn on his hard drive. However, I don't think it was covered very much the connection that Stephen Paddock had with child pornography as well and how that could be possibly played into what happened in Vegas.

Right. So it's interesting you bring that up next because the child porn link and those, the speculation surrounding that really kind of connects to. it really connects Paddock to the FBI, and here's why. One of the things that wasn't covered much is that, yeah, in fact, Patak, one of his devices did have about 300 images of child pornography on it. I know everybody heard about the missing hard drive and that sort of thing, and they didn't hear about that, but one of his devices was found with child pornography. And in looking through that and watching some other people's investigations,

another thing that came up about that is that, The paddocks own two pieces of property right next to a place called the Bohemian Grove. And Tony, do you know what the Bohemian Grove is? Have you heard about that? It's right outside of San Francisco. It's an elite society of people. Right. So it's really connected to occult practices, the Illuminati. We talked about Info Wars previously, but Alex Jones actually infiltrated it and got a little bit of video out of there from one of their ceremonies at one point. And, but essentially, the Bohemian Grove has been speculated of being wrapped up in child abuse, child trafficking, sexual abuse, things like that. There's a guy that's named Paul Bonacci.

And Paul in the 90s was a child abductee who was used in, I don't know if you guys remember, Larry King was a congressman or a senator in Nebraska. he was used in a lot of his child trafficking rings. What they would do is they use Paul as a lure in Boys Town there in Nebraska to abduct other children. But Paul has given testimony about the Bohemian Grove. And it's graphic and it's brutal and it's it really is sickening. I don't want to go into too much detail on your podcast honey. I don't know if you really would want to do that or not.

You actually can because I actually have more details I can add to. I can play off what you're not to say. Okay. So according to Paul, at one point when he was at the Bohemian Grove during one of their two-week retreats, he was in a basically some sort of like a cage or a cell with another boy. And two, I think it was three men came up and one of them was filming. And this is called like a snuff film, basically what they were doing. And they raped the other boy.

They sodomized him brutally. until he was bleeding. And then they put a gun to his head and murdered him. And then threatened Paul that if he didn't sodomize the corpse, they were going to murder him too. And Paul's testimony has been verified through polygraphs more than once. And there's been other people who have made it out of this world who have given similar testimony about the Bohemian Grove and the things that go on there. So the paddock's own two pieces of property, one just under a mile, one just over two miles from the Bohemian Grove. So it seems to play into this child porn thing as well. And the fact that Stephen had all this money that we really don't know where it came from.

You're absolutely right. And, you know, Bohemian Grove is an elite group of people. You have presidents with an S on the end of it that were members of the Behemian Grove that have been to the meetings there. And this is a meeting that a lot of ritualistic things happen. people talk about the whole satanic aspect of things. You know, I am going to be trying to get a guy on the show who is an ex-Satanic priest. And he is now Christian. And he talks about his experiences at Bohemian Grove. He was there brought in to do, I think it was rituals and things like that.

And he recall seeing President Reagan there and different presidents throughout our past. And so the Bohemian Grove has a lot of elite characters. involved in it. And there's a lot of deep bull crap that happens there. When you talk about child pornography, child sex slavery, that I personally believe this isn't, you know, your opinions and guys here. This is my personal belief. When you're talking about the child pornography and the child sex slavery and things like that tied in with Bohemian Grove, I think that has a direct link to the satanic rituals that get put on. I think it all kind of ties together here. And these people, they put a lot of value and weight into their beliefs, just like I do.

I mean, I'm a Christian, and I proclaim it proudly. And I can talk to you about these things, what I believe as a Christian. These people believe in their belief systems just as strongly. And so they carry out certain acts according to their belief systems without any consciousness about it. And so when it comes to the whole sex slavery and things like that, like it's real. The child pornography is real. And I think it has a deeper, darker,

sinister thing going on underneath the surface outside of just, oh, these are guys that are just sick. Like, there's reasons why they do it. And, you know, I live 45 minutes west of Philadelphia. About 20 minutes from my house is a place called King of Prussia. It's probably, it's actually the biggest retail mall in the country. For some reason, they don't consider the Mall of America the biggest because it has other things other than retail. But King of Prussia is, you know, the biggest. And they, actually have a real child abduction problem in King of Prussia with sex slavery. Rick, what do you got to say about that? Yeah. Sorry, I was waving to my wife, but I do. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. It is, you're exactly right, Tony. It is linked to this occultism. There's actually been a leaked

manual that has come out of what they're supposed to do in some of these rituals and talks about, you know, this pornography or this child abuse. It talks about infant sacrifice, crazy things like that. But it's funny how you bring up the belief systems because this, this occultism, this occult belief actually can be traced back all the way back to the times of Moses. So when Moses was up on Mount Sinai and receiving the Ten Commandments and he came down in the Israelites with Aaron were worshipping the golden calf, that golden calf is essentially bail and that's where it comes from originally it comes from that that that false god the false god of bail and it's believed it's tied to um like crops like like prosperity in that way it's tied to power

and things like that and there's it's also tied back into egypt and um another god that we know is mulloch um and so it's depicted as like a human with like a a bull or a goat head and one of the things that you you might notice if you're paying attention is people give this signal and it almost looks like the I love you sign and it's like this. Or sometimes with the thumb out with the fingers extended more like that. And that is actually a sign of that of Mullick. And so if you pay attention to this, you might see a lot of very prominent people giving that sign. There's one picture that I can think of of President Obama clearly doing not I love you, clearly doing this. this. And so it's really tied up into these really elite areas of society.

Yeah. And you know what? There's plenty of pictures out there. All you have to do is Google it. Just Google presidents with goat horn symbols or something like that. And what you will see is President Bush doing the symbols. You'll see Obama doing these symbols. And you'll see all these, not even just presidents, but just run down the list. You see the actors, the music, the TV stars, all these people are doing the same thing with these symbols. And you talked about bail, you know, this stuff is deep-rooted. And anybody who thinks that faith has nothing to do with it, you're just wrong. Because these people know their history and they know what they believe. And it does, as much as my faith in Christianity stems all the way back to the Old Testament and all

that stuff, their faith, their belief system stem back just as far. And you brought up bail, You know, an interesting thing is when the Jews were fleeing Egypt, they had the permission to flee, but then Pharaoh changed his mind. He took off after them. When they got to the Red Sea, and everybody knows the story of the Red Sea, Moses, through God, part of the Red Sea, what you miss there is that God actually instructs the Jews to hold up and to camp out before they did that whole splitting the sea. And it actually allowed the Egyptians to catch up. where they, where they camped at was Mount Sinai. I believe it was Mount Sinai. I could be butchering that. But bottom line is in Egypt, they were worshipping bail at that time. And where

they camped out at was a prominent place where they worshipped bail at. Like that's where bail was. And what you see here is a supernatural smackdown. There's a guy, his name is Derek Gilbert. He really goes into deep length as to the details of what happened here that he could talk about more than I could. So look him up on YouTube. His name's Derek Gilbert, Skywatch TV. And he talks about this, how it wasn't just God protecting the Jews by making the walls of the water fall down on the Egyptians. It was a supernatural smackdown, God versus God. It was Jehovah versus Baal. Jehovah wanted to show that he was the ultimate God. And therefore, when, I guess when the sea split, one of the things Bail is known as is the god of the ocean, God of the sea.

And when they split the water, the Egyptians more than likely were thinking, look, our God has delivered our enemy into our hands. And so they pursue. And when the walls come crashing down over them, it was like God putting, you know, caption, I am the one and true God. And so I say all that because that's just one story that I butchered clearly. There's so much more detail to it than what I can give you. But that's just one tiny story out of the Old Testament that I as a Christian hold on to and I believe in. And these very same people believe in their history just as much. And they carry it out today, just like I carry out my faith today. Does that make sense?

Yeah. And plus, you got to think that these people who are doing all of these, all of these acts, they've got to have a much deeper motivation behind just, oh, yeah, I want to be rich. And I guess I got to do what everybody else is doing. Like, it's deeper than that. If you, yeah. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. If you think that money is the source of all this, you're mistaken. There's a deeper, darker, sinister plot here than people just being driven by agreed. money. There's power at play here. There's spiritual, supernatural power at play and aspects to this. And I'm a firm believer in those kind of things. Like, I really do believe there is an unseen realm around us. And the Bible talks about this war that gets waged between good and evil. And I believe that to be true. And if I'm the person that believes that the one side is the good side, the side that I side with,

there are people out there that side with the other side as well, and they take it just as serious as I do. And so I know we're getting a little off track here. Let's kind of bring it back and stuff. I'll bring it back here for you, Tony. So what does this have to do with this link to the FBI, right? So what is this child porn and the fact that the paddocks own this property right there by Bohemian Grove have to do with it? Well, we talked about earlier some things that are just too, they're just. just too unlikely to be coincidence, right? So just after this event goes down, then they suddenly arrest Bruce Paddock on child porn charges. Well, what do I think was really going on?

What do I think is a more likely explanation to that? I think that Paddock, who was a previous government contractor who had security clearance and things like that, got caught with child porn or maybe directly abusing a child by the FBI and was given an ultimatum. You work for us. You do this, whether it would be gun running or whatever it was, and we won't prosecute you. We won't put you in jail for these child porn charges. And I believe part of that deal was also, and we'll leave your brother Bruce alone as well.

Because what are the actual chances that they had this investigation on Bruce going on? And then they suddenly had enough evidence a week or two after Paddock commits the worst mass murder in modern American history, or mass shooting in modern American history. I think it's pretty slim. I think it's more likely that Paddock was in some way working for Stephen Paddock was in some way working for the FBI. And then once that relationship ended, whether we don't know exactly what happened, that's when they decided to pick up Bruce. Yeah, I agree with you.

So let's just take a break right now, and we'll be right back. Don't you think that it's boring how people talk. Making smart with their words again, well, I'm bored. Because I'm doing this for the thrill of it, killing it, never not chasing a million things I want. When I'm only as young as the minute is full of it. Getting bumped up on the little right things I want. When it comes to the whole child pornography, the child slavery and things like that, even pedophilia. Like that's a drum that I beat hard, very hard.

like sometimes I come across questionable material somebody promoting pedophilia or something like that and if you guys are friends with me on Facebook you probably saw me blast people for that stuff like I make I make long posts about it because that that's the drum that I beat a lot like I it just it sickens me and to the fact for the fact that now they're trying to get pedophilia to be looked at in the same category as the LGBTQ community as a preference. Yes, as a preference. And if I was part of that community, it would piss me off that these people are trying

to come in and pervert what our community is all about. And I have a friend that is gay online, and he's very vocal whenever I post anything about it, that it pisses him off, that this is going on. And so this stuff is very real. It's a problem. And I think that the whole pedophilia, aspect of this plays a role in what we saw happen here. We mentioned earlier that, I forget the FBI agent's name that we mentioned earlier in the news conference. Aaron Rouse. That's right.

And how he's related to Podesta, John Podesta. Now, if anybody has ever heard about PizzaGate, that is something that was going on, I believe it was during the election year, during the election the season. And basically there was these emails that were uncovered through WikiLeaks that was possibly tying John Podesta, Tony Podesta, and I think even possibly the Clintons to a pizza shop that was rumored to be a place where pedophilia was going on. There's videos that surfaced online of some of the quote-unquote bands that they bring in for entertainment and what they were talking about. You could look it up. This video, it talks about, the guy in the video is saying that, you know, we all prefer little boys and things like that.

Like, it's a real video. And then there's other videos out there that are questionable where people say that the person's voice that you hear in the video is John Podesta abusing a child. Obviously, that's questionable because you don't see John Podesta, but they do do the vocal analysis. It does sound like John Podesta, but there is no way to prove it. But then you have the John Podesta tie to the Vegas, and then this whole, the child pornography, you know, more than likely there's a child.

child sex slavery ring going on here as well that either has been uncovered and we haven't been told about it or hasn't been uncovered. But it's a problem. It's a real problem. And, uh, you know. Well, he also spent a lot of time in the Philippines too. And Philippines and Thailand are hotbeds for picking up, uh, sex leave, child sex leave. That's where his girlfriend was from.

Yeah. And when before this happened, he gave his girlfriend, uh, was it like a couple hundred thousand dollars to go and build a house. the Philippines and live there with her family and stuff like that. But he was going back and forth so much. If he was involved in, you know, child trafficking, too easy. Too easy. Yeah.

And I didn't think it was that odd until you guys, you know, and then we start finding out about the child porn stuff. And then you're kind of like, okay, well, that's kind of weird. You know, like you're spending a lot of time and money up there. And you just happen to be in a child porn. Like, yeah, you can make a little connection. there. I mean, of course, I don't know why, if that's why he's just to the piece, but that's a, that's a question in my head. Yeah. And a word that's thrown around a lot, and I understand that there's a lot

of speculation, you know, we're speculating on things. We're trying to, but what we're doing is what the media is not doing. Like, we're spending time right now, having a conversation about the things that Rick has uncovered and some details, and we're talking about it. The media is not talking about it. The media is zip their lips. It's history. They're talking about Russiagate. They're talking about all these other things. They're talking about how fat the president is. They're not talking about the people who died in Vegas. They're not talking about what happened there. They're not talking about the sex slavery. They're not talking about all these details. Rick, if you uncovered this stuff, people in the media either have or could have and they're just too lazy to. That's exactly right. But see, the thing is, is we're talking about when we're bringing in all these little pieces of information, this is a gigantic puzzle, Tony.

There's so much here that has to be pieced together for us to really uncover what's actually going on. But you see, the media, they got given this little one-year-old four-piece, you know, wooden puzzle. Here's your story. And they just said, okay, thank you very much. May I have another, you know? And that's how they operate so many of them. You know, and that's how the FBI and even Las Vegas Metro, I'm sure, to some extent, wants them to operate. I'm sure you guys know who Laura Lumer is.

She's the one who uncovered the fact that Paddock actually had checked in like four days before they were saying he checked into the Mandalay Bay. And after she asked that question that forced them to change the timeline initially in the press conference, she was banned from future press conferences. They don't want media that asks tough questions to be a part of any of this. They just want a complicit media to say thank you very much and to repeat what they've been told. You know, journalism is dead. and there's a guy that was on, I think he was on the Blaze Radio Network with Glenn Beck. His name's Jay Severin, and he calls journalism jhornalism because they're hoaring themselves out to the man. But, I mean, really, it's true.

It's become the news media, any kind of news sources, it's become an arm of the entertainment industry to me, entertainment and advertisement. and it's like they're just they're trying to make the news is the ultimate reality show in my opinion like just watching all of that stuff because they have these stories they want you to see it they'll edit it in a certain way depending on what side of the

of beliefs you fall in or political preference you fall in or whatever if you're left side they're going to just cater to that and that's the show you're going to watch it you know like we all know this but I don't feel like a lot of people see the the gravity of that that your source of news

and what you choose to fill your mind with every day is meant to manipulate you into being divided and thinking things that aren't true or are being twisted around like that's a serious thing that's a big deal

and this is just another example of it like you said Laura Lumer's not allowed to go in and have any ask any real questions anymore and it's it's uh that's appalling to me that's a bigger issue. Yeah, absolutely. It is a problem, and we're just kind of, we're bouncing all over tonight, and I understand

that, so hopefully the audience is okay with that, but this is more of a conversational episode we're doing. Obviously, this isn't like a paranormal encounter, but sometimes the professionals will be going into more conspiratorial, and this is what we're talking about tonight. We're talking about the underlying issues here that nobody else wants to talk about, and journalism is one thing. You know, sex trafficking is another thing. And these things are all tied together

because the mainstream media isn't covering it. If they were doing their job, a lot of this stuff would be nipped in the bud because they wouldn't be allowed to get away with it. But the media has been just wrapped around the Big Brother's finger for far too long.

A lot of people know I'm a big proponent of George Orwell's book in 1984. And I actually try to make it a point every first Monday of every month, I listen to that book on audio because I just, it just pushes my mind in that direction. Because every time I listen to it, I see what's going on around us. And I'm like, this guy, he wasn't a profit, but man, he was close. He was close. Yeah. So, Rick, you know, earlier we were talking about, you mentioned about the helicopters.

What have you found about the whole idea of these helicopters on the scene? So that's one of the things that I really wish people, specifically the media, we're asking more questions about. So to break a really long, complicated issue down into a few minutes, essentially what has happened is there's a few platforms where you can track movement of aircraft, like Flight Radar 24 is the one that I've been using. And three helicopters that are owned by a local touring business just before the shooting started, about 10 minutes before the shooting started, we're looping around the city like a normal

tour, but every tour, actually, they have an approved tour path in Las Vegas. And that includes they break, east over the strip or more like southeast back over the strip towards the airport over the New York, New York Hotel, like right in that area. But these three helicopters kept coming south on that, on that west side of the strip and got behind the Mandalay Bay Hotel. And then their transponder data is shut off or they're below the roof line so it's not hitting the tower. But for whatever reason, we don't see transponder data from those helicopters for the duration of the shooting. Now, well, almost the duration.

The shooting started at about 10.05, I believe it was about 10 minutes. About 10.11, seven helicopters take off from this same tour helicopter launch pad area like they're doing a tour. Now, this is during the shooting. These seven helicopters take off like they're going. doing a tour of the city. And this is, you know, when air traffic control at the time is saying that there's shooters on the ground at the airport, things like that are going through the radio waves,

right? So needless to say, it's weird that these helicopters were taking off in the first place, but seven take off like they're doing a tour. And two of those seven that take off are the tail members of the two of the three original helicopters that went dark behind Mandalay Bay. So these seven helicopters take off, and then the last of the three-tail numbers shows up in formation with them after they're like passed over the Tropicana. It's not seen taking off with the other group, but the transponder data comes back on as it's in a line with them like they're doing a tour. And then they make this loop around the city like normal tours do, but instead of breaking southeast over the New York, New York, they instead head way out to the west around Mandalay Bay, presumably because of what was going.

going on and they come back around and they land at base, except for that one helicopter that never landed back that wasn't seen taking back off. Instead of coming back to base, this helicopter goes two miles west and lands next to a business in an empty field, two miles down the road. So it's just very curious, what was this helicopter doing? Why did it not land back at the airport with the group that it was with? Why was it necessary for this helicopter to go west and land in an empty field away from people who would probably be looking at it, right? Because all eyes were focused on the strip and on the airport and that general area. Yeah. And, you know, it's like all the helicopters go back to where they're supposed to be except

for that one. And there's really no logical reason. If the other helicopters could get back to where they're supposed to be, why didn't this guy, you know, and what was he doing? Now, have you seen that video online of the supposed helicopter shooting down on the people at the concert? What are your thoughts on that? I've seen them. It's really hard to say exactly what's going on from that helicopter. But I can say this for sure. There's definitely helicopters in the air in airspace where none are shown on the flight data trackers.

Why? And that's what we're trying to find out. What were they doing? Right. Now, when you were there, I mean, let's not forget, you were actually there. You couldn't really gauge where the firing was coming from, from a particular location, right? So, like, if there was a helicopter, that was shooting down,

it's not like you would have been able to tell that in the moment, right? No, not in the moment. General direction you could gauge. It was really hard to tell exactly how far away things were unless, you know, there were some shots that sounded like, God, that was right there. You know what I mean? And they just had a different sense of intensity. Like, they were just sharper, way more intense.

But sound dies off, you know, pretty quickly. And so as they get further away, it's really hard to tell how far away it is. And so, yeah, there were helicopters in the air. We noticed helicopters in the air that aren't on the flight data when we were there. My wife has always maintained she felt like helicopters were shooting. But it's just extremely hard to say for sure. You know, you could tell when bullets were near us that were coming from an elevated position, you could tell because they hit the ground.

But when Tony in our last interview, I talked about hearing these sharp shots coming from my right as we were exiting the venue. And it was super intense. It was like right there. And nothing was hitting the ground around you. So it just seemed like bullets were whizzing by at that point, but not hitting the ground.

So it's like you have these sensual perceptions in the moment that go that you don't necessarily think about the way we're thinking about them today because we didn't know what the narrative was going to be. We weren't thinking about those things at the time. But looking back on them, you go, well, what about this? Like, that does not make sense at all, you know. Yeah. And there's been other narratives that I've seen, you know, put out on YouTube and stuff. Now, I understand you can't believe everything that you see on YouTube and things like that. And I certainly don't. But I do utilize YouTube to get a more broad perspective. of other people's opinions. And there was a video out there that suggested that there was a shooter

on top of the overpass of the driveway next to the Mandalay Bay that had somebody shooting down off there. And they went through, and this guy did a really good breakdown of it because, and I wish I could find the video. I since have tried looking for it. I couldn't find it. It's not because I doubt it's been taken down. I just, I just can't remember what it was. But he did a really good job of breaking this down according to the cab driver and how she saw the firing and how she heard it and how he just the way he broke it down and then he showed the escape path that this shooter could have taken it would have been a lot very easy for this guy to go from the overhang that he was at across the roof hop up a wall to a parking garage and where he would have a car yeah to escape and it just

it made a lot of sense. I think a common conclusion that many people come to, many, many people who are actually pursuing, thinking about this outside the box that has been given to us, have come to conclusion that there really had to have been at least another shooter, at least one shooter, extra than what they're telling us. I personally believe that there was a lot of things going on in that town that night,

and we probably never going to have the full story. But the fact that when we had Jeff on, after you, Rick, you know, he's in the Bellagio, which is two miles away from where you were, and he's getting gunshots inside. Like there's, there was something going on in that city that wasn't just focused at the, the harvest fest, but was a carried, a strategically carried out thing throughout the entire city. In my mind, it's what it looks like. Now, it could be random. Maybe it's a bunch of guys running around just shooting, but there was something going on in that city that they're covering up for whatever reason.

Yeah, and Tony, you know, you talk about the Bellagio, and that's confirmed by other witnesses that have been very vocal in public about it, by video from some of these other witnesses of security guards confirming that something was going on there, and that's why they were locked down. So it's not just like Jeff saying, oh, this happened. There's a lot of people there that are saying this happened. And then, you know, to add to that as well, The Bellagio has a web-connected camera that publishes an image every 15 minutes every day,

24 hours a day and puts it online. And the images from, I believe it's from 11 to midnight or 1115 to 1215, about an hour worth of images. So four images got scrubbed. They're gone. They're not there when you look for them. And what happened was to when they did that, whoever did it either made a mistake or they were trying to cover. their tracks. They deleted those four images from every single day on that camera. So it's like

they just never existed. Oops. Yeah. I mean, seriously, when you're covering your tracks up so much, you're bound to make mistakes. And it takes people just to be looking for those mistakes to start putting the puzzle pieces together. Now, Rick, you mentioned something about, and I can't remember the details at all, but you mentioned something about a door issue. That's the note I made. Right. Yeah. And it's interesting because you were talking about escape paths, right? Okay. So this is an issue that we've been talking about since for sure, like November 1st, Lombardo was on live TV giving an interview. And he said that they breached the door to 32-1-35, which was the main suite the paddock was in. And they found him dead. But then they encountered a locked door to 32-134, which he had both rooms. That's why when you see in the pictures of the two windows broken. The one that's way out on the end is like the view suite. That's that's 135. And the one that is in more on that arm of the building is 134. And Lombardo said that they had to breach that door because it was deadbolted from the other

side and they couldn't get through it. So they had to breach that door. So immediately we start talking about, well, who locked the door? How did that door get locked? Right. Well, and then we got some more information from this preliminary report. And it gives information about when when doors are open and when the dead bolts are locked and unlocked, when Mandalay Bay has a monitoring system that tells them that timestamps all of these actions for each door that has keycard access. So the door to the outside hallway for 32-135 was locked at approximately 930 or so. I can't remember the exact time.

And then the door to 32-134 was locked about 10 minutes later at 9-30. 40 before the shooting started. Okay, so if you lock the door to 135, you can't get out that door. Okay? If you lock the door to 134 and it's not reopened, you can't get out that door. So in order for the door to from between 135 and 134 to become locked from the 134 side, somebody had to be in 134 to do that. But Paddock was found dead in 135 with that door locked.

So somebody had to have locked the door and left the building. There's no other explanation for it. And they purposefully leave out in the preliminary report. And there's speculation surrounding this. What happens in 32.134? If that door got locked, if the deadbolt got locked because you can only lock them from the inside, if that deadbolt got locked at 940, when did it get reopened? When was it reopened?

because in order for there not to be anybody in that room and for that door to have been locked from the 134 side, somebody had to have exited that door on 134. And the other thing that we know is, is that they say Paddock had shot at those fuel tanks at the airport. And based on the trajectory and the pictures of those shots, they had to have come from 134. So the speculation is that they, you know, they've been trying to keep some of these warrants and things sealed and they're convening a grand jury. Well, the only reason you convene a grand jury is to find out if they agree that you have enough evidence to indict somebody. So the speculation is they left that part out because they don't want us to know who they're looking into. Well, that would make sense to me. I mean, when you break it down like that, I mean, what other conclusion could you come to other than there was multiple shooters?

At least... I got to say, man, you did awesome, awesome research. Oh, my goodness. that's all great stuff. And I'm not the only person. No, and that's fine. And I'm not the only person to look into this and cover this up. I'm leaning a lot on, you know, little pieces of information people are putting out on YouTube.

I'm really following one channel that I think the guy does an excellent job. And I can tell you who that is off air if you want to know. Why don't you give us to us now so everybody else can here too. Okay, perfect. So his name is Jake Morphonios. And his channel is now called Blackstone Intelligence. It used to be called End Times News Report. But he puts out a video almost every day, and he's done an excellent job following up.

He's been to Las Vegas at least twice, and he's from like North or South Carolina. So he's been out to Las Vegas at least twice, interviewed witnesses, tracked down leads. He's doing excellent work. So that's one of the channels I try not to miss a video from. But I'm, you know, picking little things here and there too. And that helps me put together some of this information too. So it's not all me. but it really helps to pull stuff everybody's looking at together and try to put it into one picture.

Like, what does this look like? Yeah. That's amazing. And I know you started, did you start a website that you started putting research on or something like that? I know I saw you post something. I wasn't sure if it was your website or somebody else's. Yeah, we have a research, a couple of secret research groups on Facebook that I'm a moderator of the groups. and we try to put together information

and when some of this new stuff comes out and tackle it and see what we find and things like that. Excuse me. So, yeah, I've been a part of a few different teams just looking into this stuff and we're just trying to pull together as much information as we can

and hopefully put together a big enough picture to where we can, you know, force them to give us at least what is more of the real story than what we've been getting. Yeah, absolutely. You know, you were talking, about all the details with the doors. And, you know, people have to understand that, one, this is Vegas. Okay? This is Vegas. Lots of technology. This isn't your Super 8 motel. You know what I mean?

Like, like, they track everything. It just seems to me like there's a lot of things going on, like even with the camera systems and stuff. I mean, like, there's cameras everywhere. What, what video, what picture have you seen of Paddock that night? We don't see it. It's not there. And it's just like a few weeks, or it was it a few weeks. It was probably like a month or two later we had the terrorist attack in New York, right? Immediately. On Halloween. It's right.

Exactly. It was a month later. So immediately we knew who it was. We had video of it and all this other stuff. And I'm not saying that's impossible. I'm saying that's very possible. But what I'm saying is what's more impossible is the fact that we don't have, you know, we're months after the shooting in Vegas. And we don't have any video of Paddock doing anything going in and out of

his room, things like that. In Vegas. In Vegas. Like the biggest massacre ever in U.S. history, in Las Vegas. There's no, there's no video of that. None of that. He was allowed to use the freight elevator apparently. Right. Like, what? Absolutely. I agree with you, Leika. 100%. So let's just take a break right now. And when we come back, we'll get right back into things. I've been on my own Try to try to try to find my way home My way home Never seemed to let

When this thing first happened Alika, this is before I ever talked to you Rick, obviously before I talk to you The next day I'm in my truck And I came across a YouTube video That uploaded the What do you call it? It's not the CV I'm thinking truck returns

The police scanner So I just drove my truck, listen to the police scan of that night. And, you know, a lot of it's confusing and a lot of it's hard to hear. But I do remember at one point, they were on the stairs in the hotel and they were communicating that they had not breached the room yet. But they're there, I think they were in the staircase, like a floor below or on the floor waiting for orders or something like that. But I remember distinctly hearing somebody respond that they haven't heard shooting for 15 minutes. what in the world are you waiting for 15 minutes if you don't like you're first of all you're a SWAT team you're supposed to be going in there

but second of all like what why are you waiting what who's who's making the call to make sure that you don't go in until they're ready for you you know i mean it to me right there i started thinking that sounds staged that sounds staged i mean 15 minutes of waiting time it it is it sounds completely ridiculous when when you think about it you know the longer they sit there and wait yeah sure he's not doing any damage to the crowd if you're not hearing him shoot but what is he doing to prepare for you right i mean for all they know he could they could have blown the door off and he could have blown that whole freaking wing off the hotel they don't bringing all those guns in there to you know imagine the other imagine the amount of explosives and things like that he could have brought in there in that sort of a package you know what i mean so um they're just sitting there they're waiting

and giving him time to do, God knows what. They don't know if that's the real story. Right, or escape. I mean, like, if you're in a hot pursuit of somebody who's killing people left and right, and you're going to wait 15 minutes after the last shot you've heard fired to try capturing the guy? That's 15 minutes that he... Plus, when the narrative was changed and they said, like, Heston's compels was shot six minutes before and all of that stuff, do you guys know what the latest stuff on the narrative is?

Rick, do you know what the latest? I believe that's... Yeah, I believe that's still the official story that Campos was shot before he opened fire on the crowd, which is even more mind-boggling because Campos was shot five to ten minutes beforehand. And so then it took him basically 25 minutes between then and when Paddock stopped shooting. And nothing was done. Yeah. And the initial story was that, oh, this is compost.

was actually, when he went to go investigate, he stopped the shooting. And then now it's like, oh, no, he actually got shot six minutes before the shooting. And it's such a flip in the narrative. And that was always weird to me is how long it took them to actually get into the room. So, I mean, whatever narrative they want to use, it's going to take you that long. You know where the shooting's coming from.

You know exactly how to get in there. You have people who work there that help you get into that thing, lock down the hallways, whatever. And it's going to take you that long to get in there. Now, I'm not a police, I'm not a law enforcement specialist. I don't know too much about how SWAT works and whatnot. But that doesn't seem right to me, you know? Like, that was really weird.

That one detail that you guys are talking about. It's really weird to me from the get-go. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, it just speaks to the fact that we've been fed a story that's not the truth from the get-go. It's been, they've had to change it because people have uncovered some things. But do you think if they come out with this story that is clearly untrue from the beginning and then they're forced to change it, that they're just automatically going to tell you the truth then?

I think the chances are pretty slim, you know. And I don't know what the reason is, but I know that because of this, you know, my research has led me to, you know, all kinds of government cover-up type stuff. You know, I've been looking at the Kennedy assassination. We talked about the whole that the CIA plot in Miami to manufacture war with Cuba. And even into extraterrestrial stuff, you know, if you really want to look into extraterrestrial stuff and you want to hear from people who are very credible on the subject, look at like Navy pilots and stuff in their experiences. There's been a lot of stuff there.

Yeah, that's actually one of the things that I love to get into and I've been into for a long time is the extraterrestrial stuff. So like just seeing how the mountains of evidence and people who will come forward like high ranking military officials that I come forward and say I've seen this. I was a pilot

or whatever. Like this stuff has happened and then people still have the nerve to say like ah these probably just old, these are retired. He doesn't know what he's talking about. His memory's gone. You know like what? There's all these people out there. It's mountains and mountains of evidence to say this stuff is happening.

But why don't they just land on the White House lawn there? Oh, yeah, because it's that easy. Well, yeah. And that specific question, that's assuming you know what their motives are. What are their motives if they're coming and visiting and visiting us? So one of the things that I, pieces of evidence that I found the most compelling, and I don't know if you guys have heard about this, but it goes to crop circles. And crop circles are the ones that are obviously not faked are incredible. They're symmetric. I mean, they look flawless. But this one is very interesting. So in 1974, we sent a radio signal message out into space, blasted out in space. And the message had, it was basically a rectangle. And from bottom to top, it had a picture or like a depiction of the

NASA radio intended we sent it with. It had our location. of Earth in the solar system. It had a picture of the human figure. It had our DNA code. And then it had the core principles of math and science, depicted as like a binary type picture. And then 27 years later in 2001, there was this crop circle that appears to be an answer to that message.

And it has a picture of a microwave instead of a radio antenna. It has their location in an entirely different solar system. It has a figure of their, what they're supposed to look like. It has a different non-human DNA code. And their principles, their core principles of math and science were the same. Wow. I'd never heard that.

And so... That one is an amazing crop circle. It's just like, I saw that and I was like, how can you not like really question this at this point? Holy cow. See, when I deal with so many different topics, I don't catch everything. and, you know, I'm just in the infancy of my podcasting career and things like that. So I've never heard that. That's amazing.

That's absolutely amazing. And, you know, I want to let people know, Rick, you're a PhD and you weren't always into this kind of thing. It was literally the shooting in Vegas that propelled you into this kind of research that you've uncovered other details and stuff. And that speaks a lot. Like, at least for me it does. Because I'm the guy that I'm,

when I was a kid, I would borrow, you know, Bigfoot books from the library. I would borrow Lochness Monster. And so I was into this stuff. I always loved fantasizing about the possibilities of something like this being out there. And now as an adult, I still dive into these things clearly. But you, you kind of took a different path. It took a tragedy in your life and in your pursuit of truth to uncover other things that you're like, wow, maybe there are some, there is some credibility to other conspiracy theories or these ideas of extraterrestrials and things like that. And, you know, Rick, you're a professor. I know you're a Christian. I'm a Christian. And with the background that we have with Bible colleges and stuff, I know that one of the things that people

talk about is the idea that how their faith could be shook or if aliens were real, you know? and it's a real issue in the sense that I think if the day of disclosure comes, I think you're going to see a lot of Christians going crazy when it comes to their faith. And for me, it's not going to have anything to do with my faith, because my faith is in Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ came to earth, died on the cross for man. I don't really have a hard time distinguishing me as a man to somebody who's from another planet who might be man-like but not man. Like, like, I look at, you know, chimps and gorillas and they're man-like, but they're not man, you know. And so for me, and maybe it's just my

simplistic trucker way of thinking, I don't know, but for me, it's not going to shake me at all. Like, like, the idea of aliens, if they're real, like, it's, I know what I believe, you know, so it's not going to shake me, but I really believe that there's going to be Christians out there they're going to be like, yo, time to jump off the bridge, man. You know, like. Yeah. Yeah, there's actually been disclosure. Stephen Greer, he did a disclosure project.

I believe that's his first name, Dr. Greer. But he did a disclosure project where he got all these high-ranking officials to actually give testimony in a formal way of all the stuff that they've seen. And then recently, I've got to get more information on it. One of my other friends told me about it. But there was basically a hard disclosure that there was a bunch of money missing from the military budget, and it was in fact spent on the research into unidentified aerial phenomena. So crap, basically is talking about UFOs.

And so there's been two disclosures already, but there's nothing of it on the news or anything like that, right? because, you know, you don't want to shake everybody's beliefs. But there's already disclosure there, man. There's enough people saying this has happened. This is real. Aliens are real. Hellier. I think he was the Minister of Defense for Canada.

And he has been spearheading the disclosure, this disclosure movement. And even he said, like, there's like 20-something different species that we interact with. And there's all this stuff, like, based on everything he said, he's researched and found out. So it's out there already. The information is out there. And when you think about this, first of all, you know, we go back to disclosure. You know, we can go back to 1948 Roswell and we can look at the newspaper.

And the newspaper straight up said an unidentified craft referring to what seemed to be an alien craft crashed in the desert. And then the next day, it was all scrubbed. It was like, okay, so somebody got to the media and told him, stop talking about this. you know, or whatever. So we know like that sort of thing has been going on for a long time. But I get back to that whole like, why don't they land on the White House lawn? Well, what is their motive, right? What is, if aliens are visiting Earth, what is their motive?

And when I think about it, if first of all, if they're visiting Earth, and we obviously know they're not part of our solar system, they have figured out a way to harness energy that we don't understand yet. Right? Because they're traveling light years and are able to come and visit this planet. And so they're able to harness energy in a way that we don't understand yet. And then you look at things like there's something called the Taurus and the vector equilibrium. And this is a physical or like a physics discovery of the 1900s of energy and how it forms around things and how like nuclei operate and things. and things like that.

And when they draw this mathematically 3D and then flatten it out, it becomes this image. And I can send you a picture of the image, Tony. And we can see it in a 2D representation. And then we can look at that 2D representation of this 1900s physics discovery and find it on cave walls from thousands of years ago all over the earth. All over the earth. in ancient China, in ancient Egypt, in the Aztecs all over the earth, we see this depiction of this pattern that was discovered in the 1900s by super smart physicists.

So where did that come from? So if aliens have this energy that they're able to harness and travel to Earth that we don't understand yet, and we've seen pictures of this crazy physics discovery of energy dating back thousands of years, maybe that's what they're trying to do. maybe they're trying to tell us, hey, look, if you harness energy in this way, you might have very efficient or unlimited energy that you can use, and it's very powerful and those sorts of things. And then kind of looping around to the faith side of it, Tony, you know, for a brief moment when I started getting into this and I started really kind of matching that up with my faith,

it was like, dude, what does this mean? But then when I think about the Bible, you know, it says that God created the heavens and the earth. And it doesn't talk about the heavens in that sense as far as what else is out there, as far as any other life forms or in any other way, really. And so does that preclude my Christian beliefs in any way? No, it doesn't. And, you know, maybe God did create these other life forms and they have become more advanced than us for whatever reason.

And then I think about it, you know, if you're not a believer, if you're not a Christian in any way, think about it in this way. Earth is however billion years old, right? And it took this long for us to develop life and become to the level of technology that we're at today. Right. And we know that just in our solar system, scientists say that there's at least 10,000 Earth-like planets in our solar system, not our solar system, in our galaxy, I'm sorry. In our galaxy, there's at least 10,000 other Earth-like planets. So if just one of those planets was formed, let's say, just a million years before Earth and followed a similar path of evolution that we have followed, if this is your belief, then that human-like race, that intelligent life form is a million years advanced in technology from what we are today.

Yeah. That's significant. Absolutely. I love the way you just broke that down, man. You know, when you look at the Bible and things like that, you know, as a Christians, we look at the Bible as a factual historical book. What it talks about, it happened, right? But what I think Christians tend to do is they fall under the trap of looking at the Bible as the history book and all inclusive. There's a lot of things that I think happened throughout the history of man that isn't said in the Bible, but it still happened. Just like what you did yesterday, Rick, in California and Alika in Hawaii and me in Pennsylvania, we did things yesterday that's not recorded in the Bible, but that's still part of history. You know, Vegas happened, but it's not in the Bible.

It's still part of history, you know. And so when it comes to, you know, this aspect of things and the way you brought it up with the heavens and the earth, like, maybe that's God saying in one verse, hey, this is here, you know, but this isn't your concern. Like it doesn't, it's not, it, what we're here for is something totally different. So, but I'm telling you it's there, but it's not good. Just like the, the idea of the Nephilim, Rick, I don't know how much you've looked into that. I have a lot. And the Nephilim, Genesis chapter 6, verse 4, it talks about it.

And it's, but if you look into the Bible more, you start seeing how these different tribes were made of nephalum DNA. But the whole idea is this. you have a brief mentioning of the Nephilim in the Bible. That doesn't mean that the Nephilim existed for that one verse. They existed a lot more than that. They were a real issue here, okay? They were a problem. And there's a whole history there that the Bible hints at,

but we don't get a whole lot of detail about. We know they were there, but we don't really know a whole lot unless you look into extra canonical books, you know, like the Book of Enoch and things like that. And I do think. that looking into things through the book of Enoch or Jashir or things like that, I think it holds some value because these are books that the writers of the Bible did read themselves. There's a reason why the book of Enoch actually is quoted in the Bible because the writers actually read

these things. They weren't stupid. They were taught history. And I just think that when it comes to some of these things, especially back then, I think there might have been a not, like with the Nephilim for say. I think that there might have been an understanding in their time, that the Nephilim, what the Nephlam were and who they were. But maybe it didn't make it into the Bible because why would you say something that everybody knows already? You know what, like, it's like, why would I go into great detail chapter, on chapter, on chapter, talking about what the Nephlam are, how they got here, what they're doing, when everybody knows it already. You know, like they didn't know they were writing the Bible when they wrote the Bible, you know?

Like if you wrote a book and you just decided to spend a whole chapter on the way the clouds looked in explaining how clouds are formed, you know, that's just part of the fact. You know, you're not going to, you're just going to describe the scene, oh, the clouds are billowy, and then going to a whole chapter about, yeah, there's this whole precipitation, condensation and evaporation. Oh, that's the stuff that makes the clouds. That wouldn't make sense. Yeah, absolutely.

Because everybody knows that's what it is. There's so many, and I know we're getting all faith here and stuff, but that's, you know, that's my realm. That's my realm. And so there's just so many supernatural aspects of life that I think Christians today have a hard time dealing with because I think, especially in America, we have really, over the, you know, decades of time here, at least decades, extracted the supernatural aspect of belief out of our belief system with the Bible. We want to try normalizing the scriptures so that it's digestible for

everybody. And to a certain extent, I think there's merit to that. But I think that when we try normalizing God, like, we take away his supernatural aspect. And we live in a supernatural world. And there's crazy things that have happened throughout our history. And so when it comes to the aliens and the Nephilim and things like that, like, you know, as a Christian, like, I feel like we need to keep an open mind about that. Because like, the book that I read, the book that I read has a man walking on water. You know, the book that I read has a sea that parted, that fire falling from heaven, like a man walking through walls, a hand appearing and writing on walls in front of a group of people. Like, these are supernatural things that happen within the Bible, but we don't talk about it.

And we want to make sure that everything's normal for everybody, so everybody can kind of just feel good. And I just, I'm not made like that, you know, so I went to a Bigfoot conference, I think it was last year. And one of the guys, it was just after I started the show. And one of the people asked me, he said, how do you relate what you do with your show and the big foot stuff and everything with your faith? And for me, it goes hand in hand. It just does. When people say paranormal, a lot of times I think supernatural. I'm a Christian. I believe in a supernatural God. I believe that we live in a supernatural world and crazy things happen around us. And so when people tell me I saw a ghost, I don't doubt that.

Just like in the Bible, the disciples, they saw Jesus walking on water, and they said, look, it's a ghost. Now, if ghosts weren't real, you would think the Bible would have corrected it. To assure that us as readers, thousands of years later, know that ghosts aren't real, even though the stupid disciples said ghosts,

don't worry, it's not real. But it doesn't say that. And we have King Saul, summoning the dead spirit of Samuel, for all intents and purposes, he talked to Samuel through summoning the Spirit of Samuel through a witch, a medium. Why would the Bible in Leviticus and Deuteronomy say, don't practice necromancy, don't practice summoning the spirits if it's impossible. I use that example all the time. Like, God's not going to tell me to go down to Center City, Philadelphia, pick up a skyscraper with my bare hands to throw it into the Atlantic Ocean.

He's not going to tell me to not do that. Why? Because it's not possible. So why would God tell us not to summon spirits if it wasn't possible? possible. It is possible. He doesn't want us doing it, though. And so, like, I just went on a big rampage. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're talking about Vegas. But, but, I mean, it's just, I guess I just got on a high horse there. But, no, Rick, I really think it's really cool that, you know, all this research that you've been doing kind of pointed you in these different directions and stuff. And as a Christian, I guess I just got excited hearing that another Christian,

kind of opened his mind up a little bit to thinking about it at least a little bit. It's just... Yeah, I have something to say about that. Go for it, man. Like, I think, I think that belief systems, anything pretty much that you subscribe to and, you know, whatever fate, the simplistic version is kind of, it kind of works like a car, right? So the world's a big thing. So the simplistic version works like a car where it's a great vehicle to get you on the highway, get you from point A to point. be through life and you understand, you know, it gives you guidance and all of that,

and helps you understand life a little bit better and travel down the path. But if you really want to know about the world, you've got to get out of that car and explore the world on your own. You can't go up a mountain in a car. You've got to hike that, you know. You've got to hike it. So that's where I think making the system too simple, like you were saying, how you want to normalize or make it very simple so that everybody can can feel good about it, that that will

rob you of the entire experience of all the things that have been created according to whatever faithier you believe in, you know? Sure. So that's why I think they do that because it makes it easier to pack everybody into this car. But if you really want to know the world, you've got to explore. You've got to go hiking. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's an interesting adventure that we're on in life. And you have different categories of people that kind of show up in life. And a lot of it is this. Either you feel comfortable with where you're at and you're good there. You don't really want to explore any other alternatives and other truths or anything like that for fear of being shown that what you were taught or believe is wrong. And I think that that's the problem because, Just because you're driving a BMW doesn't mean that a Honda is the wrong car. You know what I mean? They're both cars, you know? And so I have no problem stepping outside and saying, okay, this is what I believe. And I just had a video chat with some of my patrons. And I told them, because they asked me this question.

And I told them, like, my foundational belief in Christianity and my faith in Christianity in Jesus Christ, that is forever the same. they will never change. There's nothing that you can say to me that's going to change my mind on that. I'm like, all right, so 99.999% you know what I mean? Like, you'd really have to prove it to me, you know? But I'm not afraid to step outside the box and look at other things to say, okay, does this aspect apply to life? You know, and people are saying they're experiencing these things. And I'm just, I'm the kind of person. I'm not afraid to look at what they're experiencing and take it, you know, like people are really seeing these things. They're really experiencing these things. You know, it doesn't need to affect your faith.

You know, so I know we're just kind of rambling on here. Do you guys have anything that you'd like to kind of close on at all? I don't know, Tony, if you were paying much attention to the camera, but my wife came in because I just received my, like, actual degree. Congratulations. I did see that. Yeah. So that's what I was doing on camera, right?

But no, I agree with what you guys are saying. I think, you know, ultimately, we have to find a way to live this human experience with a lot of people that we don't necessarily share belief or faith systems with or whatever that might be. But we have to find a way to do that respectfully with each other. you know, whatever went on in Vegas, whether it was Paddock alone or it was this big orchestrated event and it's tied to the government and the occult or whatever, it really stems from not placing something else over the value of lives that aren't your own. And really, that's pretty crappy. I don't know what else to say about that other than like you don't have, you don't see enough value in somebody else life, that you're not willing to extinguish that to accomplish whatever goal it is that

you're trying to accomplish. And whether that's to a religious goal or a financial goal or a goal of power, whatever that is, it's ultimately comes down to the same thing that's, it's sickening. And it's not a value system that the world should welcome in any way. and governments in any way. So, you know, I hope that ultimately this investigation and the fact that information just spread so much faster today than it did 30 years ago, that people will start seeing these little things and start putting these puzzle pieces together like I've been trying

to do with Las Vegas and understanding like there's things that are going on that we need to find a way to put a stop to. And, you know, that could be this child pornography and trafficking of kids. and abuse, pedophilia, other occult practices, sacrifices, things like that, or just straight power plays, or religions that really aren't religions that are political or ways to give you an excuse to kill somebody or to enslave them. So I think ultimately that's my hope in doing this research and sort of spreading these messages, is that we as a people, as a people, as a Americans and as Westerners and then as citizens of this earth will start to wake up to that.

That's some great advice, great words, man. I couldn't agree with you more. And, you know, I wanted to ask you this in the beginning, but I forgot to. So, you know, this is a question that probably should have been in the beginning not to close the show. But how has recovery gone for you and your family since this event happened in Vegas? So for me, I think I've been doing pretty well. I obviously the way I spend my time has changed slightly because I've put a lot of time looking into this kind of thing and investigating and things like that. But as far as like my overall mental and emotional health, I think I've done really well. I don't seem to have a lot

of triggers or anything like that. And part of that was probably attributed to the way I dealt with the situation when it happened. I was very much focused on getting my group. out of there because I knew that if I didn't lead them out of there, nobody was going to lead them out of there. And so that was my focus. So I was very much focused on finding a path out and looking for any threats that might stand in the way of that path. And because that was my focus, I think that helped me in dealing with the things that went on that night. Now, my wife has had a harder time and partially because she takes in things differently than I do and took in things that night that I just simply either didn't see or completely blocked out.

I don't know for sure. And she's just a more, she's a higher anxiety individual, more emotional than I am in situations like that anyway. So she's had a harder time, but she's getting there. She's doing fairly well. We're both still going to talk to like a counselor about it. I mostly talk about like my research and the things that I'm doing because I first started doing something called EDMR, which is like a rapid eye movement technique that's supposed to help with traumas. And I realized it wasn't really doing anything for me. So then when I explained kind of my own feelings to the therapist, she said, yeah, you're not really a good candidate based on how you've processed the event because you're not emotionally triggered and that sort of thing.

So my, but my wife is still doing EMDR and, and, and she's doing, she's doing well. So we're doing okay. You know, our kids didn't go back to preschool until the new year. She kept him home with them because she just didn't want to be away from them and that sort of thing. But overall, I, you know, considering what we went through, I think that we're doing well. That's great, man. That's really good. Awesome.

That's glad to hear. Absolutely. And, well, guys, listen, from coast to coast to, you know, Pacific Ocean where you're at, Alika. I mean, since we've been talking, I see I'm, I got dark here. It's dark outside, but you guys still got daylight. And, you know, because we got Pennsylvania to California to Hawaii here tonight. And I really appreciate you guys coming on and just sharing and discussing.

And I think the audience is going to really just enjoy hearing this conversation we had. Hopefully they do. And Alika, before we get out of here, how can people get a hold of you and kind of check out your artwork and if they want to, you know, work with you at all? So you can check me out on Facebook. Alika Spahn Naehe. I'm pretty sure everybody kind of knows how to spell. Do you have me on your Facebook? You tag me on your stuff?

They can find you online. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that's me on Facebook and then at Instagram. It's how oldi, H-A-U-O-L-I-U-L-I-U-R-U-L-E-S-E-L-A-L-L-A. All right. So, yeah, just check me on on Instagram and Facebook.

And if you like stuff, just send me a personal message. Yeah. Now, everybody, listen, his artwork is top, top notch. I mean, it's... Alika, it's amazing, man. So I'm just proud that you're working with the confessionals and helping us and stuff. It's just, it's been awesome. So thank you guys very much for being here.

Take care. And, you know, we'll have to do this again sometime. This is really fun. Thanks, Tony. Great. Okay, well, that's the main interview, everybody. Now, before we get out of here, though, we have another piece to play for you because since we recorded that first part, Rick contacted me and told me

that he had extra information that he had just come across that he'd like to share. So I told him we should record it and get it on the show for you guys to listen to. So here is me and Rick talking about some of the new findings he had found about Vegas. So what exactly happened here? Like, how'd you find this? Did you come across this with your own research or what? No, this is something that that came across YouTube. And, and, and, Some of this, like the ears portion of this that I'm going to talk about were things that we had been looking at and brought up previously just by examining pictures and things like that. But what happened, Tony, is when Las Vegas Metro released their preliminary report, they have a section on the coroner's report on the suspect, Stephen Paddock. and in that report, the corner has a couple of things listed that actually do not match up with Paddock.

So I don't know who originally obtained these fishing licenses that Paddock applied for and filled out, but now they're on the internet. So they're out there. So Paddock applied for two separate fishing licenses, one in 2009 and one in 2010. and he filled it out his personal information and included in there is his height and his eye color. And so Paddock lifts his height as 6 foot 4 inches and his eye color is blue both years. And we know that his eye color is blue because we can see it in previous photos. We don't know for sure his height. I've been looking to try to find any reference to his actual driver license or something like that,

but I haven't been able to find it. Anyway, so we have that record of paddock applying for a fishing license, but the paddock or the corner lists his height at six foot one inches and his eye color as brown, which obviously doesn't match those fishing licenses. Now, eye color is particularly interesting because we can see that his eye color is blue, and this isn't something that just changes. There are some phenomenon where your eyes can change color due to trauma. Generally, the big thing that comes to mind is if you're strangled, your eyeball can fill up with blood. But that would have been something the pathologist would recognize and would note. And they didn't note that. So we have these two pieces of information that don't match.

And my first thought is, okay, well, people sometimes fudge their height. Yeah, but three inches. I mean, the difference between six foot one and six foot four is pretty big. You can tell just by looking at somebody whether or not they're, you know, closer to six foot one or closer to six foot four. That's when you get into that six foot four range, you're getting to be a pretty tall dude. So, and then the other thing that we noticed is that paddock has attached earlobes. You can look up previous pictures of Paddock and you can see his earlobes connect directly to, you know, the side of his face, his neck right there. They don't, they're not what we call hanging earlobes where they kind of curve up and you have this part hanging down.

And that's also similar to blue eyes. That's a DNA trait. And so we can see, however, in the in the picture of what's supposed to be Paddock dead in the hotel room, the graphic one where you, you know, you can see his face. there's blood everywhere. Anyway, you can see that on both sides, the earlobes of that body are not attached earlobes. So now these are three major discrepancies of things that we know physically about Paddock that don't match up. One of them from the picture and two of them from the coroner's report. And so, you know, there's a lot of evidence now pointing to suggest that that body that was in the hotel room isn't even Stephen Paddock.

and that just blew me away. Let me ask you, I mean, what are your thoughts on this? I mean, do you think that Paddock is still alive? Do you think, I mean, all these indiscrepancies, what does it lead to? I mean, what are some of your thoughts? I mean, obviously, I'm not asking you to make a conclusive opinion on something, but like, what's your vibe here? I mean, when you see these discrepancies, do you think that Paddock was even there?

I mean, what are your thoughts? Yeah, so, I mean, when we look at that question, Tony, there's like a lot of puzzle pieces to fit around it. And it's like, gosh, how would that fit? And when I think about it, you know, okay, so let's assume that these discrepancies, these three major discrepancies are correct. I mean, we can see them. So they definitely appear to be correct.

There doesn't seem to be a good explanation for it. So then we, then I'll take that next step and I'll operate under the assumption that that body definitely isn't Paddock and therefore Paddock is still alive. You know, I think we talk about earlier in this episode that video where, you know, this paddock lookalike, this guy that definitely looks like Paddock is is five days later playing poker in Atlantic City. So, okay. So let's assume that Paddock is still alive and basically got given a new identity like a

witness protection program would do. That means that he likely agreed with the FBI that he was, he or CIA or whoever ran this operation, that he was going to get a new identity, which meant they were going to pick up his brother, his brother Bruce on the child born charges. Because that was just part of the deal as he was operating with them. They wouldn't do that. But if the public presumes him to be dead, then they couldn't continue. to protect Bruce because that would be a problem. So, you know, there's just there's just a lot of ways to consider that piece of information and how would it fit in the total puzzle.

I'm not exactly sure. But the evidence really seems to point me that way right now. Like, you know, we, to kind of rewind and go back over things, we were pretty sure Paddock was running guns of some type. We have that ATF connection in Phoenix, possibly. We have the weird emails back and forth. Now we know this guy, you know, and we didn't know this the other day, but that name released Douglas Haig, since we recorded last, Tony, the guy that was the person of interest that apparently yesterday got indicted for selling armor piercing bullets to Paddock. But this Douglas Haig guy was also connected to the military and dresser.

complex. And I think it looks like to me it's like another scapegoat, another piece of low-hanging fruit they're throwing under the bus here because they're getting a lot of pressure about their story. So, you know, I wish I had all the answers at this point, but, you know, this is kind of new information. We're just going to have to continue to explore it. Yeah, no, I absolutely agree. This is going to be a long process. It's going to be drawn out. And I, uh, I, I, I, just find it, I mean, like, you're an intelligent guy and your drive to look for this information and find out the truth of what happened. I'm not sure if everybody would have that drive after experiencing what you've experienced. I mean, I think a lot of people would just be wanting to

just accept the narrative, okay, that's what happened. Let me try to move on in my life and just forget about this whole thing. And you kind of just dove into it more and you keep digging and uncovering things and stuff like that. And you're putting pieces together. And I really appreciate that from a consumer standpoint as somebody who is sitting back and watching you do it because it really helps me kind of put things into focus and stuff. Do you ever feel like, you know, because we kind of talked about it earlier in the show about how, you know, the conspiratorial things and all that stuff. Do you think that you could kind of push the wrong button at some point and be dealing with people coming back at you? Yeah, I guess it's possible. These intelligence agencies, they definitely don't want the stuff that they're doing being uncovered.

They don't want us to understand how they operate. They operate in secrecy like this for a reason. So, yeah, it's possible, Tony. That being said, there's a lot of people on this investigation that are producing a lot of information that are putting out videos on YouTube every day. and, you know, I think drawing a lot more attention to these issues than I am personally. I'm putting information together almost more for me at this point, you know, but hoping that we can get such a clear picture of this puzzle at some point that we can that we can really produce something that gets people understanding what's going on. and puts way more pressure on the way these intelligence agencies,

the alphabet agencies in our country operate. So, yeah, I mean, I think it's possible that I could push the wrong button and have somebody, you know, want to suicide me. But I hope not. But at the same time, I really feel like this is an opportunity to maybe change some of what's going on. in this realm it makes sense i understand your your drive forward and i understand where you're coming from uh you know and there are i guess you know bigger fish to fry you know especially if you're not out there every day doing this um i i just when you think when you sit back and you look at all this

stuff and you and you think about everything that you that you do and that you know you have me posting the show and things like that you just kind of wonder you know if it draws the wrong attention what could be the result so um but i'm kind of the same boat with you as far as like just, you know, bottom line is, uh, I want the truth, you know, I just want the truth. And so we could, you know, move past it and figure out what happened, what went wrong and we can correct our mistakes. And, uh, it's not going to happen until you get the truth. And, uh, they could say that we have the truth as much as they want. It's clear. The more the time goes on, they're not giving us everything. They're just not.

Yeah. And, you know, there's a lot of people out there. there that might make the argument, like, we, we shouldn't have the whole truth. Like, we're better off not knowing everything. And quite frankly, I disagree because when you really look at these types of operations and the history of this type of thing that has gone on in our country, look at really, really look critically at the Kennedy assassination and the things that Kennedy stood for and was against and the people involved in that day that were there, you know, a lot of people don't realize, but Georgia H.W. Bush was working for the CIA and is actually pictured there in Dallas that day. But officially, he says he wasn't working for the CIA for like five or six

years until five or six years later. Right. So, you know, we look at this kind of stuff and understand that these agencies are shaping history by, by conducting these really shady undercover operations so that they can get their man in there or they can push policy either in the United States or through the United Nations or whatever that might be and accomplish these goals that are kind of in their playbook. So I think that it's really important for us to wake up to this stuff. the only way to beat these people is to have, you know, almost everybody on our side. They have a lot of power. They have a lot of money. They control a lot of powerful organizations and

things like that. But the one thing we have on them is millions upon millions upon millions of people if we can just organize together. That's very well said, very well, very well said. And I completely agree with you. We do have the numbers on our side. George Bush, I think there's even a document that has his name linked to the CIA during that time frame. There is. He's like, oh, it must have been another George Bush. I mean, at some point, you got to be like, dude, really? Come on.

I mean, it's probably a fairly common name. You know, George is very common, especially for that time period. And Bush isn't the most uncommon last name I've ever heard. But there's a picture of him there on the steps the day of it, you know. And he can argue, oh, that's not me. But, you know, there's been many people who have looked at this picture and done, you know, facial recognition techniques. And, you know, we're 99% sure that's George Bush. And combining that with the document that he actually worked for the CIA at that time, you know, it's maybe what you might call circumstantial evidence, but people get convicted on it all the time.

Well, Rick, I really appreciate you just hopping on here and sharing some of that. extra info before we get out of here did was there something you wanted to correct from the previous episode yeah yeah there was so um the information that we talked about uh you know last time we spoke tony a few days ago we were talking about the paddock's owning property uh near the bohemian grove so i want to be clear they're still definitely linked to child porn all that stuff is still true but the the uh was it bruce paddock that was on the new the new the deed of this property, it's actually a different paddock. Now, the paddocks that own this property are still related to Stephen Paddock and his brothers through a few steps, but it's not the

paddocks we thought it was. So that sort of breaks that link that we had between the paddocks directly linked to the Bohemian Grove as far as being really close in proximity to it. But they're still definitely connected to child pornography and those sorts of things. things. So I wanted to just correct that because that's some information that we had uncovered. We realized it wasn't the same guy, even though they had the same name. All right, man. Yeah, I appreciate that because, I mean, as time goes on doing research and things like that, you're going to come across information that kind of wipes out what you previously thought. And so it's great to just be able to come on and set the record straight and make sure that whatever we put out there is accurate as far

as we know. So I really appreciate that, man. No problem, Tony. I thank you for having me on again and getting a little extra tidbit in this episode before it goes live. For sure, man. I'll keep in touch with you, man. We'll be in touch. If you have any more information you want to come on and talk about, you're always welcome. Thanks so much, man. You have a good one.

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