The Confessionals - 550: Tomato Fields

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

In Episode 550: Tomato Fields we are joined by returning guest, Tim Moon. Tim was on many years ago sharing his paranormal encounters on Episode 35: Poltergeist Activity and today he returns to share about his first book, Tomato Fields. This story was inspired by Tim's brother's bigfoot encounter. He is offering a free downloadable copy of the e-book to our listeners until June 1st! Tim MoonBook: https://tinyurl.com/2k5wzmsnEmail: [e-mail]: @TSMoon10Instagram: the.tomato.fieldsThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:1. Smoky Mountain Bigfoot ConferenceTickets: https://bit.ly/3l1wZHR2. LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 free meals plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvetOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - Head In The CloudsYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Hey, everybody, before we get into this week's show, just wanted to let you know that we have a special offer for all of our listeners today. Tim Moon, the guest on this week's show, has offered all of you an exclusive offer to download the ebook for free for the next two days from May 30th through June 1st. So go ahead, check out the link in the description there and download the ebook, Tomato Fields by Tim Moon. It's free, so why not do it? Enjoy the show, everybody. Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear.

When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave, and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Got spurser, got sparser, got sparser, when he got about fit.

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But Tim is back today because his brother had a Bigfoot encounter that spawned an entire book called Tomato Fields. He wrote this book based off his brother's experience and he comes on to talk about his brother's experience, his other paranormal experiences, and his book today. So let's get to Tim right now. All right, today we got a returning guest, Mr. Tim Moon. How are you, sir? Very good. How are you, Tony? I'm doing fantastic. And you are a name that has been with the show for a very long time.

We've been in communication with you for a while. And you were one of the earliest guests on the show. We're trying to figure out what episode exactly it was. But you're thinking it was like around episode 14. I think that for some reason that's what comes to me. but I can look it up later and send that to you. If you could find it, because I can't even find it, but if you could find it, that'd be great.

We could, you know, have a good time sharing that episode as well when this one releases for people. But nevertheless, you have been around with the confessionals for a very long time. And I probably didn't say your last name on the first recording because we usually don't do that. But now you're an author and you have a fascinating book. that you want to share with people. And I'm excited about talking about it

because I've been hearing about it for years. And so this is a great opportunity for me as well. Your book is called Tomato Fields, which I think is a very interesting name because it's a book about Bigfoot. And I'm interested to see how you came up with the name of the book and how this book all unfolded

because I believe your brother originally was going to be with us today, but he has to work. and he had a Bigfoot encounter that spawned the writing of this book, correct? Yeah, that's correct. It was, he had it in the 1990s, and he had bought some property there to build houses on in Mason County, Washington, just up above the hood canal hook. And he was out fixing the lights on his trailer one early evening, and he,

He smelled something really bad and like something was dead. And he couldn't figure it out because he hadn't seen anything. And so he started looking around and just up the top of the hill about 70 yards or so by a light post, he saw the animal standing there. And he said that the thing that stuck him the most was just the sheer size of it. It was about eight feet tall and it was almost wider than it was tall. And then it screamed at him. He must have surprised the animal.

And it screamed at him with that typical yell that vibrates through you. And he just freaked. He thought he was going to get killed. He didn't think he was going to make it. And he ran back to the house and grabbed his shotgun and closed the front door. and looked out the window of the door, and he figured it was on the way toward him. And it stopped screaming,

and then it turned opposite way and walked back into the woods, just a few steps into the woods. At that time, there was still a lot of green. It's been cut now to build houses, but he was just freaked out. He'd never seen anything. He had no idea what he was looking at. And so that happened, the area that happened, he felt like there's an area at the bottom of the hill.

If you keep going up to the top and then you go down a ways, there's a place that they used to use to dump sewage. And they just dumped sewage from trucks out onto the acreage. And that sewage, because of human waste and seeds and stuff, well, a lot of vegetables would grow in the air. area and the tomatoes would be big and red and a lot of the animals would go there to eat the vegetables. So it was kind of a habitat for animals. And he got the idea of naming the book Tomato Fields after that area. And so that and his house kind of become the center of the book. And it was just kind of inspired me. It's not like it's much like his story. But the story, kind of inspired me to write. I've been studying a lot about Bigfoot for a long time.

And I've been, had been thinking at the time, I wonder if you could use fiction and do it right. Maybe you could draw people to this subject and kind of win them emotionally, maybe if they're not ready to be one rationally. Because a lot of factual stuff doesn't seem to get the job. But maybe you could reach people more emotionally through stories. I think people are moving. more through stories than facts. So I thought, well, maybe we could try to do that with a book, you know, a book about something related to this. So I just made up a story related to it.

Start taking place in the 70s and just called it to Maplefields. Well, I think it's a great title. And I think it's interesting how this whole thing came together with your brother's experience. But did you, what was your thoughts on Bigfoot before your brother relayed his experience? Well, I've always been interested in it, and I've never seen one. But since I watched, as a kid, I watched the creature from, is it creature from Bogey Creek, right? Yeah, Boggy Creek, yeah. Boggy Creek.

And I watched that, that movie had a big impact on me, and it just seemed like there was something to it. Like it wasn't just, and so I always kind of thought that it was very possible. And so every time I'd hear a chance to hear a story or read a book or talk to somebody, I'd often talk to hunters. And I would hear, you know, here and there that people saw it or they heard it or they smelled it. And a lot of people seem to have some kind of experience with it. But I personally never have. And I don't want to, you know, make something up.

But it doesn't matter. I still am very interested in it. And I've studied it quite a bit. So listen to thousands of stories. Yeah, there's no need to make things up. I mean, shoot, I've never seen a big foot. And my job is to talk about these things. So, you know, it's one of those things where the fascination can lead you for sure.

I find it interesting how your thought process and how you can kind of almost not that you're a Bigfoot activist or anything, but just kind of bring it to people's minds and stuff through a fictional story. We kind of have the same philosophy and mindset here with the movie we're going to be shooting. We're going to be shooting a movie in June, actually. And it's about Bigfoot.

And it's more of a psychological type of movie. It's not going to be blood and guts and gore, but it's going to be very engaging mentally. and I think there's a place for that kind of stuff for sure to allow people's minds to go. That's what I tried to do, Tony. I wanted to make people think and taking places where they didn't have any intention of going and come to conclusions that are pretty normal for humans to do. And so I hope I was able to do that.

And it's a little spiritual too because I have some characters in there that challenge make some spirituality, then induce some spirituality, I think. So I hope so. Yeah, I think I think so. I mean, Lindsay is a big supporter of your writing and it's been getting great reviews. So it's very it's very encouraging to see the process because I've I've been in, we've been in community, more Lindsay than me, but we've been in communication with you and we've been aware of this book coming out for a very long time and you put a lot of time and effort into it. And it's really cool to see it come to fruition. Yeah, it was the first novel that I've written. So it just, I just had a lot to learn to make it all work right. And I think I did a pretty good job with the character development and the story and the engagement of it. I'm not as good at editing as Lindsay. So there's a couple editing things, but I'm still working through that. But the story and the characters are intriguing.

And people have just told me that. I'm not just saying that on my own. I'm hearing that from other people. So anyway, that was my goal. Absolutely. So let's kind of dive into the book a little bit here. And if you could just kind of tell people what the story. about? I mean, what's the whole storyline about?

It takes place in the 70s. I wanted to do it when that likelihood of that place existing was possible because they stopped dumping sewage and did it and started using a plant. They don't do it anymore. So I went back to the 70s and I also wanted to go back to before anybody knew what Bigfoot was because it didn't, that name didn't take off. until the late 60s. And so I never mentioned the term Bigfoot in the book. And I wanted that to be part of the mystery. And it's just about a sheriff who finds out about this animal that's killing other animals and eventually fearful it's going to kill people.

And he and some of the people who are associated with the house that the thing first appears to, which is my brother's house. His address is in the book. And then their effort, him and the deputy and some of the people, the neighbors there, try to eventually get to the bottom of this and eventually wind up getting rid of the animal, but I don't want to say how.

But the idea is that there's never closure. It doesn't close. Nobody's the same after the encounter and the process of trying to resolve the conflict. And I wanted it to be that way because there is no closure in this thing. Even if we catch one and I don't think we're going to. But even if we did, I think they actually have already, frankly. But I still think the mystery is, way beyond just the animal himself.

So I wanted to maintain that mystery. I wanted to make it so anybody who has an opinion on this, if it's a paranormal or flesh and blood or space alien or whatever, they've come to the feeling that it is, I wanted them to be able to see part of their belief in the book. That's really cool. Without it being a clear answer. No one can say, oh, it must have been this.

because I hope now. I hope I was able to do that. Well, I'm sure you did. And again, I mean, listen, I mean, for somebody who writes their first book and putting it on Amazon as a self-published thing, and when did the book come out again? It wasn't long ago. It's been about 90 days. Okay. So 90 days and you got 71 ratings on Amazon.

That is not easy to do. So it's definitely shows that people are. buying the book and reading it and thinking enough of it to take their time outside of reading the book to go leave a good review on Amazon. So it says a lot. It's about 185, 190 pages about that. Yeah, that's not right. It's a good read for people to check out. Now, it's interesting. You're bringing this aspect up with the sheriff and things like that. I was just out in Washington myself. And I was doing, we were shooting a film for a Bigfoot film based off of West Germmer's encounter location.

And we go out there. And what we do with these films is we just, we put ourselves in the environments of, you know, a known epic encounter of whatever, whether there's dog, man, Bigfoot,

whatever. And we just put ourselves in that environment and we document what happens around us the best we can and, and see what happens. We're not into making things out of anything. Yeah, that's good. So we go out there and I have a producer, Joseph, and he really does a good job with getting the trip organized. And so we have a game plan.

We have people we're going to talk to. We have a general game plan. And from the general game plan, and it unfolds itself. And so we go out there. We're thinking, okay, we're going to kind of focus around the location where Wes had his encounter. We'll talk to this person over here that has a story that kind of supports Wes's story and different things. like that. Well, we go up there, and the first day we go up there, we find a vehicle and this person's belongings are on the outside of the vehicle, like, they just got up and walked away. And it literally

was less than a quarter mile away from Wes's ground zero encounter. And then later in the day, we came back and everything was still untouched. We're like, okay, maybe the guy just kind of, you know, went into town or something like that. Well, it was like two or three days later, we come back up. and nothing's been touched still. And that's when we're like, okay. Did you check any of it to see if he had his wallet in there? We looked in the windows. Doors were locked.

But we did find a pair of shoes about 50 feet away from the site. And we also saw that there was a pair of shoes on the driver's side floor. So it was like he couldn't have gone far. We thought, you know, it's just, you know, I don't want to. Weird. Yeah, I don't want to, you know. I feel like David Politis right now where he draws this story for you, this imagery for you, but he doesn't tell you what he thinks it is, right?

And that's how I feel like I'm in the situation right now. But the fact is there's a lot of people that do go missing in that specific area. And we unknowingly might have found somebody who has possibly gone missing. And so it's interesting. It kind of sparked my mind when you were talking about the sheriff's involvement in your book and the animals. Because there is a legal law side of these stories. I mean, people do call the police on Wes's intro for Sasquatch Chronicles. I mean, you hear that 911 call.

That's a real 911 call. And that's only part of it. It was actually two calls. and the other part of the call that people don't hear is how the guy says something broke his dog's neck whose dog his dog was over 200 pounds something broke his dog's neck and threw it over the fence yeah yeah i think i heard west say that once so i just heard west i think i heard that on west's program once and that's pretty breaking a dog's neck big dog and throw it over a fence that's not easy to do no

So I'm sure the guy was really freaked out. Yeah, I mean, you think about like a full grown man that's 200 pounds. Are you going to pick him up and just throw him over a fence? No, no, you're not doing that. And so it's something that's strong and powerful and comes in close to people's homes and observes them and sometimes messes with them in a very negative way. And even with that story, what's interesting is the cover up. And I don't know if you kind of go into that kind of stuff with the book,

there does seem to be this idea that, you know, whether it's the law trying to cover it up or people who have the experience trying to cover it up because they don't want to be thought crazy. The guy who called 911 that night, he's on record telling Ron Moorhead that this thing when he says, it's six foot nine, I don't know. It was actually he said closer to seven foot nine, but he knew that it wouldn't come if he said it was seven foot nine. Right. I write in chapter 30 the whole thing is how it's covered up. Really? And it opened the door for a sequel.

And do you remember Bob Garrett? Oh, yeah. Out in the thick, the big thicket. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was able to get a hold of his son, I believe, Brandon. And they might take me out in the big thicket because it's about four hours from my place. and so I'm looking into sequels now that might involve the same sheriffs in other places.

Oh, that's fantastic. That's fantastic. But the general idea is that they have their ways of getting people to forget about what they saw. And that is much bigger than just an animal. It's a part. I believe that mystery is part of a macrocosm of a much bigger mystery. And when we understand the bigger mystery, that part will fit. But until we do, it won't.

That's just my opinion. Yeah. Kind of what I've come to. I couldn't agree more. So really. That's a very accurate way of stating something that I feel inside. And I think we're out here collecting puzzle pieces. and we're still trying to figure out how this big picture is going to look.

But we have this piece over here and this piece over here. If we could just find that central piece, it would make everything make a lot more sense. And I think it's related to the fact that we're a very small planet in a small solar system in a small galaxy of billions of other galaxies and trillions of other planets. and there's been lives on this thing for a long time and it could have come from lots of different places

and so who there's way more that we don't know than what we do. Yes. So I think it's related to that, although I don't know the exact. So something doesn't fit right. Even when you think about when Wes was talking about his experience, and how the thing moved. And it just didn't move like something's supposed to move that's on this earth.

It's just like beyond this earth. I think I've heard that a lot of different people say that in stories. And it's just too many things that are just mysterious and just don't fit. Absolutely. And so I think it's part of a bigger picture. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. And the way these things move, the different aspects,

that kind of lead in that direction. I think sometimes you almost have to put earmuffs on and pretend you didn't hear what you just heard in order to keep your train of thought with what you previously want to say Bigfoot is. Wes's famous question for his show for years was, you know, what do you think Bigfoot is, right? Yeah, yeah.

Do you have anything that you've ever narrowed down to saying, you know, if I had to pick one, I think it's kind of in this. direction. You know how you know how Superman is really strong here?

But on his own planet where the kryptonite existed, he was kind of he was normal. Yeah. I wonder sometimes if

something just brought these things here and dropped them off. Maybe they were a nuisance. I don't know. And said let's move them over to Earth. And because they seem to if they said violate gravity

that they're stronger than they should be and faster than they should be and they move quicker and in strange ways that they just shouldn't move if they had developed here on this planet with this gravity. So I often wonder, I don't know, I just am guessing,

but if I had to put money on it, I'd probably say they're not entirely from this planet. They may have developed some sense and mixed maybe with other, with people, but that's kind of the place I go. Yeah, I,

I go in a little bit of that direction too, just in the sense that I don't think they're totally from here. I don't know if it's another planet, but I kind of get even more woo-woo with it. And I'm like, interdimensional beings, baby. So, I mean,

could be. Listen, I don't claim to have the answers. I just am, maybe some would say foolish enough to share my thoughts publicly. So, you know, I just, I just share what I think. And, you know, if you listen to the entire show's history, you'll hear my thought process change and evolve over time. And it's just like, you're coming along with a life journey with me. And you just get to see how it all unfolds mentally for me. I'd probably be a good case study one day when I'm all dead and gone to just. see how my brain devolved. So, you know. Yeah, a lot of things have changed for me. I mean, I remember initially wanting it to be captured or shot. I don't want anyone to shoot one now unless it's trying to hurt them. I don't care if anybody believes in it.

I think it's cool. And I think it's a part of, it's a mystery. And life has to have mysteries. And I don't want to. to be killed by it, but I don't want to see it killed for no reason. And I really don't think you can capture one alive. I just don't think it's possible unless maybe you have some elite military operation with, you know, like seals or something. I don't think it's possible to get one alive. But I just want, I think we should leave them alone unless they bother us.

aside from trying to learn about them. And I have no idea what they are. I'm only guessing when I mentioned another planet possibly. What changed in your mindset when it comes to how you view the outcome of these things? I mean, it sounds like you went from kill one to not kill one. What was that switch for you? I can't tell you exactly when it happened, but it just, the more I learned, the more I realized it was a lot bigger. used to think it was a flesh and blood animal.

And then it came pretty clear to me if it was a flesh and blood animal purely and nothing else, then it doesn't really exist. It is a myth. Because a flesh and blood animal shouldn't be able to hide. We have gorillas in the zoo. We even have pandas in the zoo. There's no reason it wouldn't be in the zoo if it was just a flesh and blood animal. There's got to be more to it.

And once I realized that there's more to it, I think I started giving it more. room and letting it be feeling like we should probably let it be unless it bothers i mean if it's taking people and eating them for lunch then i obviously we have to do something about it but those are pretty rare yeah so i think that's when i started to just and then i've heard some people say they need to have protection and i think i think they just need to be left alone they're perfectly capable of protecting themselves. And so I'm kind of in that live and let live now with them, if that makes sense. No, it makes perfect sense.

And years ago, either before I started podcasting or shortly after I started podcasting, I kind of tackled this question with people on my old YouTube channel. It doesn't even exist anymore. But it was the idea that why, so if the government knew Bigfoot existed, why not just tell us? and I kind of went down this thought process of what would it do to the psyche of people if they knew there was a monster in the woods? Well, some people would probably run from the woods,

never go in the woods. And then there would be some people who would engage the woods more because they want to see it. They want to have it. And when I say have it, I mean literally have it. I think that if the government came out and said,

yes, Bigfoot's real. It is a physical creature. It is in the woods. It's very good at eluding human beings and, you know, we don't, we didn't want to talk about it because, you know, whatever. I think you'd have a chunk of people, a large chunk of people actually, going out there looking for it to make it a trophy. And if that happened, it does to make you wonder what it would do to the psyche of these creatures in the woods then, too. if you think that sometimes we have these rare cases where people go missing and things like that, that might become very, very common if the general census is when a human goes in the woods,

they're looking to rack of Bigfoot. Those things are really good at hiding. And maybe they just start popping people's necks while they walk by them like little zits on a forehead, you know? Yeah. You don't want that. No, no. I go into, I explored a, that at the end. Because the sheriff was trying to answer those questions. Anyway, I don't want to give it away, but

all of those things are legit. And we don't know what people, how people would react if they really did know. And so, but I also think they're hiding something. I think they're hiding the bigger

picture and I don't, I think they're I'm kind of skeptical when it comes to government. and I think they're pretty self-serving and there may be power dynamics that are preventing them from letting in on some of this because it does speak to a bigger picture that maybe they're a smaller part of them they want to be.

So I don't give too much credit to the government unfortunately anymore. I think most people, people that listen to this show are in the same boat as you. Yeah. Yeah. Just somewhat ridiculous. Anyway,

what's being called aliens instead of balloons. So anyway, but it could very well be that they're hiding it or keeping it from us for good reasons. It's just harder for me to believe today. Yeah. Well, totally understand that.

So for people to get the book, they can find it on Amazon. Is there anywhere else they can find this book? I just, it's right. It's all on, it's only Amazon now. They have a program that you have to go just with them in order to take advantage of. So I thought that I would be the best way to do it first. And you can get to it by going to your Amazon account and type in the book, Tomato Fields and my name.

You might even get it just by and it's available on Kindle University and on the ebook and paperback. Okay. I'm kind of doing an art book too. I wanted to see how well the book did itself. Yeah, people can check out the book right now on Amazon. It's Tomato Fields. And the author is Tim Moon, M-O-O-N. And this is a book, like I said in the beginning, that we,

me and Lindsay were aware of for years now. You've been working on it for quite some time. And I'm really excited that it's out now. And I'm really excited that you're getting great reviews. And, you know, when I have authors on the show, they always come back and say that our audience really likes reading because when they come on the show, they sell a lot of books. And I really hope people are interested in this because it's really well written. And if you're looking for a good adult story about Bigfoot that is,

fictional based off of a real happening. This is the book for you. Now, Tim, you just told, we just talked about Bigfoot. We talked about your brother's encounter story and things like that. But you have had other, you know, experiences with the paranormal and things like that. And we've talked about, clearly I had you on the show before, so we talked about things before. But tell me some of these experiences that you've had that maybe not Bigfoot but the audience might be interested in hearing well i've had a couple i think though when we were little kids we lived in a house and we talked about that on the other program that had some kind of ghost and we finally came to see it as a little child my brother seen it as a child it following my dad into the bathroom

and we heard it all the time and it made noise downstairs, turned the dryer on, turn the stove on, move pots and pans around at night. That's when I heard it was when it was moving pots and pans around. And the one time it elevated a mantel piece off of our mantle and floated out and then dropped down on the fireplace and shattered. And then my mom,

I'm not big into Ouija board, so please, no, I'm not endorsing this. But my mom did that. When I was very young, she got a Ouija board, and they tried to talk to this ghost that we thought was in the house. And they got what they thought were initials, and that it had died in the house. So apparently she went down to the city and looked into it and told us that she found out a little boy had died in that house in the early. part of its existence probably in the 30s, my guess, and 1930s. And we just came to see it as a little bit kind of part of the family. It was just something that everybody knew was there and didn't seem to bother anybody,

although it did scare my grandma pretty bad. And it was just a common thing. When we left that house, when I was in. seventh grade, nothing went with us. So if it was there, it stayed there. So when you say it scared your grandmother pretty bad, it was it like there was a situation that happened or was it just the fact that it was there scared your grandmother a lot? Well, no, she was in the room, in the guest room and something was scratching underneath her bed. And she got out of bed and looked underneath the bed and she thought it was our dog. And she looked under the bed and there was nothing there. And

she thought she was just imagining something. So she went back to bed and it started again. And she got out again and it was looked and there was nothing there. And that was enough for her. She packed her back and called a cabin, waited in the front room to leave. And I don't think she ever came back. Wow.

And my aunt, her, my grandma's daughter and my mom's sister had an experience with it. I think it's something sat down on her bed and it and it pushed down on the blanket. But she doesn't, didn't seem to be scared of it. So she was kind of like the rest of us. Initially, I think everyone was a little scared of it. But after a while, it just became part of the family, a distant part of the family. It felt like we saw it every day.

But it was interesting. It was not malevolent. to our knowledge and it was it was not scary except that one instance that i know of aside from the mangrope's floating off the metal i'm sure that's scared everybody i don't remember honestly seeing that but my brother does vividly so um i think that's kind of scary if you're not expecting it uh yeah yeah i think that is scary for anybody whether you're expecting it or not It's definitely scary. I wonder what would have been more scary for your grandmother?

If she looks under the bed and there's nothing there or if she looks under the bed and there's a little boy looking back at her. You know? Like things could be worse. Well, yeah, it could be. Either one of those aren't that great options for me. So, yeah, I can see why she was scared. Yeah, absolutely.

So that is some of the paranoia. normal stuff that happened in your house growing up. But if I recall correctly, there's a UFO story you have, right? Well, I've, I had one, but, you know, kind of related, related to that, maybe I remember being at a Starbucks once in Virginia. And I was just having a couple of cars, doing something on my computer. I heard these girls talking at the table next to me. And they were talking about using a Ouija board and having all these things start falling

off the walls and pictures tilting and them being super. scared, really scared and not knowing what to do. By then I had a little bit more religious background. And so I offered, well, I just tried to share that the Ouija boards are not something you want to mess with, and I would get that out of your house as soon as possible. And then encourage them to pray, use the Lord's prayer if things come back. But I know those things are real and they can create a lot of issues for people. And I try to, I don't mess with them at all.

I don't want them around me at all. So I wanted to clarify that, that it can be really bad when you play with that stuff. Yeah, that's what I hear. I never played with it myself, but I was warned as a child not to touch it. My mother, she told me, don't ever touch the things. I think she's got probably experiences with it. But I remember walking through Kmart as a kid in the toy section. And I'm like, if these are so bad, why are they selling them as toys, you know?

And it's just a cultural, I think, lack of belief of another realm, another spiritual side of things. I think generally speaking, we don't believe these things happen. And so... Oh, they happen. Tell me. Yeah, I did play with it. I did play with it as a kid and I did see it moves. nothing ever bad happened to me

and after I became a Christian I didn't want any of do with it and so but then I've heard subsequent stories since then that validate why I didn't want to have anything to do with it and so I just think you're messing with stuff that you probably aren't ready to handle even someone who is ready to handle that

wouldn't go looking for it people who've dealt with demons and do it as a profession typically are reticent to go looking for them. Sometimes they have to deal with them, but that's not because they want to or be around them. So anyway, that came up, so I wanted to share that. One of the stories I do have is with my brother,

is a diabetic or was a diabetic? He passed away a while a little while ago. and he have you ever seen someone who's low blood sugar? Yes my aunt was yes okay you get a little woozy

and sometimes you look like you've been drinking a lot and sometimes people who have low blood sugar are are thought to have been drunk and and he looked

and he looked like that and when I saw him like that I knew his blood sugar low because he'd been a doctor diabetic since a child. So I tried to get him to eat some or drink some Coke and maybe eat a little chocolate to try to get him back up to normal so we could talk. And we were, we were talking. I was just encouraging him basically to do that. And it's hard to do it. You've got to be persistent when they're in that state. And he would look up at me occasionally with it was kind of a scary evil look in his

eyes. Have you ever seen that where you'd wonder what is looking back at you? Yeah, when I look in the mirror sometimes. Other than that, it was like that. He was looking like some evil was looking back at me. And I thought, oh, it's just my imagination. What's going on here? This is ridiculous. And then he did it again. And I thought, oh, this is ridiculous. I can't believe if this is happening. And his girlfriend was in the other room. She was already scared just because of the physical condition. But I fell inside.

I needed to deal with the demon. And it looked at me one more time, and I just did it. And I said, in the name of Jesus, I command me to leave. And it looked at me, and I am not kidding you, Tony. It said to me, it does not belong to you. He does not belong to you. Wow. And I said, and I knew that it had nothing to do with me.

And I just kept saying over and over and over in the name of Jesus, I command you to leave. And I said it over and over. And then finally, it's just, he just slumped down. And then he lifted up and looked at me and said, what's going on? And his girlfriend was freaked. Yeah. And I, and I said, and I couldn't explain it to him right then because, it involved too much.

I just got him some more, a little more sugar, and I made sure his blood sugar was right, and then I held onto it until the next day when he and I were alone in the laundry room. And then I explained what happened. And at the time, I wasn't quite sure how to interpret all of that. Still not sure I know exactly how. I do know, though, that it's very likely when you're under, and you're a diabetic and you lose power because you've gone low blood sugar that you could, that something could maybe get in.

And, but I also know he lived a lifestyle that probably would have allowed something like that too. And so it's just, I don't know. but it did give me an opportunity to to share with him, you know, about spiritual truths and realities. And I don't know what impact that had on him. So, but that scared me a little. And it shocked me a lot. I just didn't expect that it came out of nowhere. And it's never happened again since.

There was one time where I was in a church and in the basement of a church in this lady's said she was possessed and these guys were trying to do an exorcism. And the whole time I felt in my spirit that it wasn't true, that it was emotionalism. And she just wanted attention. And it didn't come to anything. There was never a result. I eventually left. But so I think you can tell the difference between when it's real and not.

Or at least for those. two instances, I felt they were drastically different. Interesting. I hope I haven't shocked you or something. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I probably came out of nowhere, but it's, it just was real. It really happened. No, it's fine. Like, you're not going to shut. Listen, I've been at this for six and a half years. You're not going to shock me on anything. Trust me. Good, good, good. But, no, it's interesting because I recently have been feeling like almost, like a preparation, I guess, is basically how it feels that I'm going to be transitioning in my personal life into having more demonic encounters. And I'm saying this publicly on recordings recently, partly to help me kind of sort it all out in my brain because I

tend to sort things out better when I'd speak it. But also for the audience to hear so if something were to start happening they can be like oh he said that he felt like this was going to start happening you know yeah but I do and I don't know why but I just feel like I don't want to say I'm being prepared

but I just feel like there's going to become a season in my life where I'm going to be dealing more with the demonic realm in a very up close and personal way not with the show not with people's stories but kind of in your face kind of thing.

And I don't know what that's going to look like and why that is the case. But, well, I got some ideas as to why. But it's going to be an interesting ride if it starts happening. Because I think I'm, for the first time of my life, I think I'm prepared as much as you can be prepared mentally to engage that realm. I think I'm ready spiritually. and I'm very, very fearless. I've been fearless for a very long time. And I think I'm finally at the point where everything's kind of merging together.

The fearlessness, the mental readiness, even the time-wise. Like, I don't think I would have been able to focus in on it as much if I was still driving a tractor trailer, you know? But I'm in charge of my own schedule and I can kind of zero in on things that need to be zeroed in on. I remember when you had that show where you told the story of that guy who wanted you to come over to his house that you knew at work, I think. Yeah. And it turned out to have demon stuff all over the walls and everything. And you felt that he was pulling you into some kind of trap. Do you remember that?

Oh, yeah. I remember very clearly. And I remember thinking that was a dangerous situation. And I remember asking you, I think I said, just be careful. or you may be prayed up or something. I don't remember exactly how I said, but you felt pretty comfortable that you were okay dealing with stuff like that.

So I was kind of impressed that you had the confidence you have. And so you don't surprise me when you say this. Yeah, you know, for me, it's really, my source of confidence comes from how I got here. I truly, truly, truly believe that I was placed here by God. there's a reason why I'm doing this show. There's a reason why I have the interest in these topics. And when you come from a psychological aspect like that

where you in your heart believe and mentally believe, you were placed here for a purpose by something that's more powerful than any demon could be, you kind of walk with a swagger. You kind of walk with a, at times it can be arrogance, where it's like, I'm untouchable. You can't touch me unless God wills it. And if God wills it, so be. it because I know I'm in his hand.

So like we like we and that's kind of the attitude I have right now in the sense it's like if I have if I have experiences are coming across my path where I'm encountering demonically possessed people or demons are manifesting in front of me. So be it because I feel like I'm surfing the hand of God in my life. And so if God wills it, then let's go. Yeah. You know, because there's something. Well, that's how it came across.

That's how it came across. It didn't come across as an arrogant thing to me. Because if if it comes across, arrogant and someone's messing with stuff like that, they're in for a big shock. Oh, yeah. And, uh, but that's not how it came across to me. So who knows? That might very well happen. So, I mean, if it does, it does. I mean, I'm not looking forward to it. I'm not looking, I'm not looking for it to happen. Uh, but I just, I just, I just, maybe that's why, uh, I don't know. I, I, I just, I just feel like if it happens, it happens and we'll, we'll, we'll handle it.

part of me part of me has an anticipation towards it not a good or bad just in anticipation where it's like kind of want to see how this all unfolds just so that I grow

I think it'll be a big growing experience for me as a human being as a person, an individual a husband, a father, as a Christian, a spiritual leader, all that. I think it's going to be a huge growing experience.

So I'm not putting it out into the ether and trying to attract it to happen right now by talking about it last five minutes. But it's interesting, though. Yeah, yeah. It's certainly interesting. But we'll see what happens. Maybe I'm completely wrong. And I'll live a very dull and boring life from here forward.

I kind of hope not, though. The Chinese, when they don't like you, they wish you an interesting. interesting life. Really? Yes. If someone ever says, I hope you have an interesting life, it's not because they like you. That's so funny.

If I ever hear a Chinese person say that to me, I'm like, you jerk. Most Americans would say, what a compliment. What a nice fan. Yeah, thank you. But that's probably not what they mean. That's funny. I bet I'm going to get an email now

that the subject line is going to be. I hope you have an interesting life. Probably. Oh, man, that's funny. Anyway, it's a proverb or some kind of Chinese proverb. So I can't remember where I heard it, but it stuck with me when I heard it. That's cool. The only other thing, Tony, that ever happened was a UFO experience.

And it's only UFO because I don't know what it was, but it was one of those triangles, and it was like 40 years ago. and it was I came out of a concert in Washington State and was my friends and I looked up and we saw this dark triangle that was moving around in the sky in geometric form and the only reason we noticed it is because it was a little lighter shade of dark than the sky that it was in and we watched it move in like little squares and triangles within a particular area for oh maybe 10 minutes

and it just kept doing the same thing, and we couldn't figure out what it was. It was probably about the height of maybe a small airplane, maybe a little higher. It's hard to tell because we don't know the reference point. We had no way of determining how large it was. But it was very unusual, and then when all this triangle stuff started coming out recently,

I thought, well, that might have been what we saw. And so I called a friend, do you remember that and she remembered it still and so maybe we saw the early rendition of those triangles that now are becoming widely seen yeah and more public but at the time we didn't we didn't have a clue we'd never seen anything like it and there was no lights on it at all none so i have no idea what that was it's wild man it's wild uh i know the tr3b is a military uh classify or class i don't know if it's classified now because i know about it of the the tr three b is a craft that's triangle it has three lights in the bottom i filmed one i believe i filmed one in

utah and that's on the film uh the shape of shadows that we're coming out with this summer um and it's uh it's interesting that you know you say there was no lights and stuff but the idea of an early rendition uh is really interesting that means does that mean that you feel like it's uh more man-made? I don't know, to be honest with you. I could go either way. And I've heard since recently, actually, that when they use some

the kind of cloaking devices that they supposedly have, that they're not completely invisible, but they're very hard to see. And I'm just wondering if maybe that thing was cloaked, and that's why we barely saw it, but it was clear. I mean, It was just because it was a little lighter than the night sky around it.

I don't know. If we had stuff back then like that, just imagine what we have today. Exactly. Exactly. And so when they say they shot down a UFO, I just, none unless the UFO was drinking. They're just too far ahead of us. They're too far ahead of us. We're not going to shoot it down.

it's just not going to happen. I'm sorry. So, but that's my, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we shoot three down one day. It's pretty common, but that was cynicism. Sure. It might be that we're shooting down the balloon UFOs, though, because, you know, they're saying we're shooting down balloons.

Yeah. No, I understand. I mean, the, and it all, I guess it all kind of stems from, you know, what do you personally feel like these things originally are? Because if it is manmade, then it would make sense that we're able to shoot them down because we made them. So we should have the ability to do that. But if it's not made, then it seems like we are behind in technology because if we weren't, if we were more advanced than what we're seeing in the sky and that's not manmade, we should have the ability to take care of business. So it's, it's, it's,

interesting to think about. And one thing's for sure. I got to agree with you. If they say it, I tend not to believe it. So that's kind of, that's kind of where I am. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you coming on and talking about the book and some of your experiences here. Thanks, Tony. I appreciate you allowing me on. It was a pleasure. Well, that's a show, but I really hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, go ahead and purchase Tim's book, Tomato Fields. Available now on Amazon, link in the description of this episode. I'll tell you what, Lindsay started reading that book. She said it's very well written and has lots of content for you to read. So it's not one of those skinny little tiny books. It is a book that you're going to want to enjoy. Go ahead and check it out. Tomato

Fields by Tim Moon on Amazon. Link in the description of this episode. Thanks for being here, friends. Take care. Stay safe. And until next week, remember, the truth will set you free. But first, it'll piss you off. Bye.