The Confessionals - 558: Metatron's Cube | Isaac Weishaupt

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

In Episode 558: Metatron's Cube, we have a special guest, Isaac Weishaupt. Many of you have been requesting Isaac's appearance on the show for years, and after much effort, we finally made it happen. Isaac joins me to delve into the fascinating topics of symbolism and portals. Our initial connection was formed through multiple listeners sending him episode 512: The Desert Portal Death Cult where we explored a bizarre experience our guest James had in Joshua Tree, CA. Isaac was captivated by the episode and joins me now to dissect its symbolism, including an intriguing symbol that James captured in a photograph while he was there—a symbol bearing a striking resemblance to Metatron's Cube.Connect With Isaac:LINK: http://AllMyLinks.com/IsaacWThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:1. Smoky Mountain Bigfoot ConferenceTickets: https://bit.ly/3l1wZHR2. LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals16" for 16 free meals plus free shipping!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvetOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - Head In The CloudsYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Merkel Media This was all circulating around the base That a giant had to kill But no one was supposed to talk about it Boney fingers Reach up underneath the door Curl up to grab it

And then disappeared When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me The giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing at this giant With a giant move He's got a split

here in one hand and he's running really fast and spears Dan holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. I see something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are getting pulled off the best bush and because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody listening to the Confessionals podcast. I'm your host Tony Merkel.

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That's Eastern Time, by the way, of the 30th. So if you're interested, go ahead, check it out the store on the website, the professionals, podcast. com. Now, this week we have Isaac Wysup on the show. A lot of people over the years have asked me to get Isaac on the show. And I have tried to get Isaac on the show for years. and we finally got it done. Him and I hit it off.

We are besties now. We text all the time. I mean, he's coming over for a cookout. He's going to be at my kid's birthday party. None of that's true. But Isaac is a really good guy. And we did hit it off. We're becoming pretty good friends now.

And he comes on today to talk about symbolism and portals. And we talk about Joshua Tree because that's how him and I got connected. The episode we did, the Desert Portal Death Colt, Episode 512. He listened to that show. He absolutely thought it was. jaw dropping and he comes on to dissect it with me and the symbolism that is involved in it, including a symbol that was sent to me in a picture that James took while he was there that is very, very similar to Metatron's Cube. And we talk about that. I absolutely loved it.

So I hope you guys enjoy this conversation. Let's get to Isaac right now. All right. Today we got the long awaited arrival of Isaac Wysup. How are you, man? good how you doing man dude man doing good glad to have you uh this has been a long time coming you ghosted me for years you didn't want anything to do with the confessionals and here you are coming and begging for mercy no how are it's kind of like that though good yeah it's funny because i i i you know what this is like in this sort of business realm i get a lot of messages on all the platforms and dms and comments and emails and And man, I don't know how, but I blame it on Gmail.

I think they put it in my, you know, the like social folder or promotions folder. I recall that being the thing because it was a strange, windy road of how we got linked up. The thing that sparked it was Demi from Thoughtful Dot. She did the Mandala, handpainted Mandela. She sent me an episode where you interviewed a guy who went out into the Mojave Desert and witnessed a lot of strange activity. And she said, oh, you got to listen to this episode. And I don't consume a lot of podcasts because, you know, I'm busy.

I'm reading books and trying to prepare my own shows. And it was a fascinating story. And I ended up listening into the whole thing. I said, wow, that was, that was interesting because I've got a lot of research into the desert and secret societies and cults and Satanists and all that stuff. And it kind of hit on all those things. And we could talk about that later here in a minute. that's when I said, wow, that's really interesting.

I'm going to look this show up a little bit more. And I don't remember what happened. I think I followed you on Instagram and then it showed me that you had messaged me. And I said, oh, crap, this guy had messaged me. And then I look on my email and there was another message. And I said, oh, my God, I'm such a jerk, man. I just didn't, I didn't catch it. And I think it's because all the platforms had funneled the email to like requests and social folders and things like that.

So anyway, I am begging for your mercy. and I thank you very much for letting me on your show. Yeah, man. No, it's actually, it's nice to have you say that because it happens to me a lot, too. One, you and I were just talking about how my wife does my emails and stuff, and things still slip through the crack because it just does. I mean, we're juggling like probably 10 email accounts for different things. And sometimes people email, you know, Merkel Media for an experience that they had

that should be going to the Confessionals podcast. And then sometimes people DM us and we don't check the DMs a whole. At least I don't. I don't check the DMs a whole lot. And so every once in a while I get an email, it's like, you know, you're a real jerk. You know, I emailed you. I'm like, listen, man. Like that's a great way to get on the show for sure.

Yeah. Well, and people don't understand it's more than a full-time job because if you respond to every message, those people are also going to write you back. Yes. And add that to the new messages. and it's, yeah, it's difficult. It's not easy when you're not Joe Rogan, who's probably got a team of people who just combed through emails all day or whatever.

Yeah, it's the ripple effect, man. I mean, it really is. I mean, we throw pebbles out in the water, and the ripple effect takes over and it covers a lot of ground. And so that comes back to us. Like, I always talk about that stuff when like the ripple, you know, you see it go out in the water, but then it comes back, and that's the emails.

They come back, and they come back in a bigger way than you said out. Right, right. Yeah, it gets busy. But you brought up a great launching point for the conversation here. We did do that Joshua Tree episode. And I actually did a sequel in the sense that there was another guy named James who was stationed at 29 Palms. And he had an experience, and this was a member show, but he had an experience where he was in charge of a group of guys that were getting ready to get kicked out of military. I guess they were kind of like a holding pattern.

They're not out yet, but they're going to be kicked out, just waiting to process of paperwork. And there was this one guy that was really strange. And there's a lot of different things that went into it. But one of the things that he talked about was how he went to this guy's, I guess this guy lived off base or something like that. But him and a couple other guys went to where this guy lived to pick him up because he didn't show up one day. And there were people in the house that were calling this guy. They were picking up father. And he called them his children.

and he asked them or he at another time he asked this guy I was talking to to drive him out to a party in Joshua Tree. And he said when he drove him out to the place where this guy was going to be at this party, he said it looked like a giant rave just like the other James described. And he described a lot of similar things. And the guy said, you want to stay. And he's like, nah, this isn't my scene. And then after we were done doing the interview, this actually, this is breaking news. I actually sent him the coordinates of where this happened. And he's like, that's exactly where I took him.

So I know this is a repeatable thing in the sense that I have two people who have been to this location talking about this weird party in the desert. And it was a popular show. People really, really seem to like the story and were taken back by it. I'm interested to hear maybe some of your thoughts on these things as far as is I know you said you do a lot of research on, you know, the Mojave Desert. I had no idea there was even like an occult connection to these locations until I had that interview. So feel free to educate us a little bit as to what you know about these topics. So the desert is because what

I focus on mainly is the, you know, it's the occult, which is a Latin term. They mean hidden. A lot of people get confused when they first enter this realm and they think I'm talking about cults like, you know, Jones Town or Waco and not quite the same thing, right? It's more to do with philosophies, religions, and ideas that some people would call antinomian, meaning it sort of goes against the social norm. And the social norm in America and a lot of the world obviously is Christianity. So oftentimes it's a lot of anti-Christian religions that I'm looking at. And the real question, and I don't have the answer to it yet, is what's the level of truth behind some of these occult teachings? Because a lot of them you'll find get into

the realm of new age thinking. And I actually am okay with a lot of new age thinking. You know, we're talking, you know, yoga, meditation. And these are all things that strengthen the mind, but you can take it to a realm of going too far. And what we're talking about here is kind of best exemplified through the ideas of ritual magic, which, you know, it's manifesting a reality based upon your beliefs. And there's white magic and there's black magic. And black magic is where it's gone too far. And that's when you're trying to change the world and to satisfy your ego.

Okay. So I'm going to lay that out there. And then let's move into the desert talk. So in terms of the occult, one of the ideas is to establish a set and setting. This is what a lot of people do when they go on hallucinatory trips with psychedelics and stuff, right? And one thing you'll find is a setting of the desert is a great place to do these things. It's a place for initiation. You can read a lot of people take sort of pilgrimages out there seeking spiritual experiences and you'll find this oftentimes.

And if you read, there's a popular book called The Alchemist by Paul O'Qualio. And in the book, he talks about how the desert is the greatest teacher that we have. And Paul Aqualio, I wrote a book about The Alchemist and about Paul Aqualio. He was a follower of Alistairroly back in the, I think it was the 60s, before he wrote this book, The Alchemist. And does your audience, are they familiar with Alistair Lerner Crolley? I imagine they would be, right? I mean, at least in the, in the, I think most of my audience probably is not for Alastair Crowley, but I know they're familiar, I'm sure.

Okay, yeah. So Alster Crowley, a very famous occultist. We don't need to go too deep into it, but he's painted as the real boogeyman of the occult. And what he did was he kind of synthesized a lot of beliefs, a lot of previous occult beliefs, and dare I say popularized it. You know, the Beatles infamously put him on the cut. cover of Sergeant Pepper's and so on, right?

But that's a whole show in itself. But you'll find a lot of odd things that connect us in with the desert. You've got the Trinity site where they conducted the first nuclear test. And if you look that up, there's actually a black monolith that they erected on the site where they did this. And we'll talk about Jack Parsons because he plays their role in this. I don't want to get too far down the rabbit hole. I want to stick to the idea of the deserts and the Mojave. But, you know, Charles Manson, he's a topic I've studied a lot.

He took his whole family out there to teach him these occult principles of the desert and universal consciousness. And a lot of these themes that you'll hear often in New Age occult thinking. Another example would be that Stephen Greer, he's that very famous, I don't know if you call me Uophologist at this point, but he's very much. Summoner. Yeah.

He teaches people. He teaches people how to channel aliens and UFOs, and he does this out in the desert. Why is this? Well, I don't know why the desert is the initiatory place, but Jack Parsons, who is arguably as famous as

Alistair Crowley, he was a guy who, and let me give you a five second spiel on him for people who don't know who I'm talking about, Back in the 30s and 40s, he was basically the guy who made rockets useful for the American military. At the time, there were German Nazi scientists trying to make the V2 rocket happen. And in America here, we had these sort of opposing scientists trying to also make a rocket happen. And Jack Parsons was the guy who did that.

And they started, he established jet propulsion laboratories. JPL. A lot of people say that's the initials for Jack Parsons, but it's neither here nor there. But they established JPL, which would pave the way for NASA. And then when you get into NASA, you've got, of course, all these ideas of secret outer space things and going to the moon. Did we go to the moon or not? All these things, right? So I mean, Jack Parsons, while he was a rocket scientist, he was also an occultist. And he followed the works of Alistair Crowley and pursued.

a lot of these efforts. Well, back in 1946, he went out to the Mojave Desert and channeled an entity. And this entity that called the I don't know how he pronounced it, but the Venus, Venusian,

from the planet Venus, allegedly. This is from Jacques Valet. He was a very famous ufologist. He said that this was how it went down. But Jack Parsons, he was out of the desert, and he channeled this Venusian entity. And this entity,

dictated to him an entire book. And Jack Parsons wrote it all down. It's called Liber 49, or the Book of Babylon. And this is important in the history of Alistair Crowley, because Alistair Crowley similarly channeled an entity called AWAS to write the book of the law, which is basically the occult sort of Bible for this new age that he was trying to bring about. And then Jack Parsons wrote supposedly the day no more to the, to the book of the law, the fourth book.

And when he was out in the Mojave Desert, he was out there with El Ron Hubbard. El Ron Hubbard, of course, the founder of Scientology. And what they were doing was they were using a form of Alster Crowley's magic rituals. Because Alistair Crowley, again,

and I'm kind of talking slow because I'm trying to find the right depth because I don't want the audience to tune out be like, I don't know who he's talking about. Alastair Crowley in around 1917, he did a similar ritual called the Amalantra working in New York, and he channeled an entity called Lamb, L-A-M, which means the path.

And Lamb, if you look at, if you search the image, you'll see that Lamb is basically the first gray alien, the first depiction of a gray alien, big head, big eyes. I think it didn't even have a mouth. So arguably he made contact with an alien in 1917 using the Amalancher working. Now what's interesting is that this Amalantra working was based upon Inokian Magic. Inokian magic, it goes way back.

I'm trying to set up a precedence for, there's a long history of occultist trying to make contact with entities. and one place they can make contact is the desert. That's what we're trying to get at here. But Inocyan Magic was established by John D. and Edward Kelly in, I think it was around the 1500s. They made contact with some entities. And those entities said, hey, here's the language. Write this down. This is the language with which you could speak to us.

And they wrote it down on this grid. And Alster Crowley would sort of use that language to make contact. And then Jack Parsons used the same language. to make contact out of the deserts of the Mojave. And it's called the Babylon Working's, the name of the ritual that he did with El Ron Hubbard. And we can go into detail on it. I don't want to go off the deep end on you here, but he did this ritual to summon the scarlet woman, the whore of Babylon they call her, with the purpose of bringing about the apocalypse,

which just means the revealing. It wasn't like he did it so that he would trigger a giant nuclear holocaust. he did it to bring about a goddess that they named Babylon because he thought that she would be the key for mankind to have the revealing and change the world as we know it. And this is a very specifically anti-Christian perspective because Jack Parsons and Alistair Crowley, they both looked to Christianity as an oppressive control system. So they did this ritual and he in fact meets a red-headed woman named Marjorie Cameron. and then, you know, the story goes deeper here, there, and everywhere. But the point being to sum it all up, when we see things happening in the desert, there's a long, rich history of occultists using magic rituals that are sort of proven going back to the 1500s.

And even earlier, if you want to get into, you know, the ideas of alchemy and the book of Thoth and all these sort of different outlandish ideas for people who don't study this, they're like, I don't know what you're talking about. basically there's rituals to make contact with entities and the desert is a place in which they would do that. So to hear the story that your guest had relayed about going out of the desert and seeing some very strange activity, I mean, it makes it total sense to me. And that's why I was like, this is fascinating that someone actually witnessed this happened. Yeah. So first of all, this is really fascinating because you and I are two different worlds. colliding. You do a ton of research. I do next to none. I collect people's stories and

talk with them about their experiences. And now it's like the things you're studying and now you've heard somebody's story that they've experienced what you've been studying, it can be mind-blowing. You mentioned about the Inokian magic. And I would like to, this is really more clarification than anything. How do you spell Enochian? Because years ago, and this might be an episode you want to check out too, I had a guy on, it was episode 122, and I called it secret military inakian technology, I think is what I called it. Secret military, Inocyan technology.

And I said Enochian, but he said Enochian, but I didn't know. what anokian was. I still don't. But I said, I think you mean Enochian because in the story, he was in the military and he was sent on a mission that had a lot of trippy stuff happened. But they were to go retrieve a downed aircraft. And they spent days going through, I don't know if it was jungle or what. He wouldn't tell me where this was. But when they arrived on scene, he said it was a craft that he's never seen before. When they got inside, his job, was to retrieve data, retrieve information off this thing. And when he got inside, the language that was written all over, he didn't recognize. So he's going through his manual trying to figure

out what this is even saying. And a scientist came over to him because they had a team of scientists with him. But a scientist had come over to him and said, you're not going to find that language in there. And he kind of brushed him off like, whatever, dude. Like, let me do my job. And then the scientist doubled down, slammed his hand down on his book and said, you're not going to find it in there. And he said, why not? He said, That's in Okyan language. He said, what's that? He said, it's a demon language.

Get your shit and let's get out of here. And so then he just, they got their stuff together. I guess he did what he did. It's been years since I've even listened to the story. But the guy that tells that story I'm still in communication with, this experience for him, it scared him so bad that when he got out of the military, he left the country. He's still out of the country to this day. Him and I have been trying to schedule a time for him to come back on and talk and hang out and stuff.

but it's kind of hard with the time difference. But there's been things like that that have happened throughout the years on my show. And so when you say Inocyan magic, I'm assuming back then I was thinking like Enoch, book of Enoch, and that's what he was trying to say. I'm assuming Inokian, is that the same thing or is it something different? Yeah, it is, actually. It goes back to, and yeah, I think you, I don't know the pronunciations for sure. Same thing. I read so many books and I don't know how the pronunciations are, so I butcher them half the time.

But I think it is pronounced Enochian, but then it's then the vowel O is short. Enoch is how I've always heard it pronounce. So that's what I think it is. It is all connected here. And that's why I was saying there's there is a lineage you can trace back to the sort of beginning of the written record. And Enoch was the great grandf. father to Noah. And I'm not the smartest guy with the Bible, but I think he was one of two people. I think him and Methuselow were the only two that they didn't necessarily die, but they went up to be with God is the way the verses go. And some people say that that means he got abducted by a UFO or whatever. But the book of Enoch is, it's a subject I'm actually researching. I've got enough notes to do a show.

I'm just waiting on a couple things to find time to dig into, but it goes back to what do you call pre-deluvian. So before the Great Flood, before Noah is where Enoch was around. And in his book, the book of Enoch, he talks about the idea of the Watchers, which you see in the book of Genesis. You see this idea that there were fallen angels called the Watchers who fell from heaven and went down to earth. And they procreated with women. So you very much have this sort of Rosemary's Baby slash Alistair Crowley Moonchild idea of the forbidden, what do you call it? Like the forbidden copulation here of women with these fallen angels, these demonic spirits. And the watchers, they procreated with the women and created a race of giants called the Nepheline.

And allegedly, that's why the flood happened because God saw all this and was appalled by it and did the great flood to wipe out this sort of forbidden, you know, creation that happened. Well, Enoch, and I've seen various things. Some people say Enoch is actually the spirit they call Metatron, which I found interesting because the artist Santana, the musical artist Santana, He talked about how he channeled Metatron and he played his guitar through Metatron. And then in Kendrick Lamar's, I don't remember which track it is. There's a track where he talks about talking to Metatron or something to that effect. But he does mention it, right? As well as the LDS Mormons, they who, you know, the LDS faith started by Joseph Smith,

has a lot of connections with the Freemasons. That's what everybody talks about. And I live in Utah, so it's very heavily predominantly in the culture here. And you'll see all the symbolism of the compass square and like Saturn stones on the temple and things like that. But the more interesting element to the Joseph Smith LDS story here is the channeling of the entities. Because again, just like we talked about with Alastair Crowley and Jack Parsons, they were able to successfully translate. or make contact with entities. Joseph Smith also made contact with an entity.

That's who dictated to him. These golden tablets, I'm not super intelligent on LDS faith, but he channeled an entity. Maroni, that's it. It was Maronai up in New York. And the LDS believed that Adam, from the Garden of Eden,

was ordained into the Malkisadeg priesthood somehow through Enoch. And I don't know how all the details work on that, but I do know that Joseph Smith making contact with this entity is also of interest to the occult. There's a guy named Damien Eccles, who was infamously part of the West Memphis 3. Back in the early 2000s and late 90s,

there was several documentaries about the West Memphis 3 in Arkansas. all. And the pitch put forth by the documentaries was that Damien Eccles and two of his buddies when they were, I don't know, 17, 18 had murdered some young boys, one or I don't remember, a couple boys, one boy, I don't remember. But supposedly they, they had murdered this boy or multiple boys. And the, um, the accusation was that Damien Echols was reading Alastair L'Ocrowly stuff and he wore black Metallica shirts. And then, you know, the town of Arkansas there, they condemned it because they, you know, satanic panic kind of stuff and the, the very sort of Christian leanings of the area.

So these documentaries, they grabbed everyone's attention. A lot of rockers when it came out and tried to support getting the West Memphis 3 out of prison because they were convicted of murder. And whether or not that happened, I don't know, wasn't there. but Damien Neckles and the other two accused would eventually be let out of prison on what they call an Alford plea where they would admit they did it so that they can't sue the state but they would let him out of prison for time served so they took it got out. I don't know if they were guilty or not, no clue. I've read William Ramsey's book that puts together more evidence that suggests they did do it. But again, no idea.

It could have, because I believe both things exist, right? I think that you could have Satan worshiping occultist murder somebody. I also think that you could have innocent teenagers who don't fit into the local Christian structure and they get, you know, condemned for it. So both possibilities exist. Either way, Damie Neckles gets out of prison and he's been researching the occult heavily. and he posted about how he came to Utah and was very intrigued. I think he actually, I don't know if he formally is announced as like an LDS Mormon, but he's had a lot of heavy leanings into it because of that,

simply because Joseph Smith was able to make contact with this entity. So, Enoch is very important to all of these things because the book of Enoch talks about how these fallen angels, the watchers. not only did they procreate with the women, but they were teaching mankind all these forbidden practices of occultism that you see like ritual magic and all the things that the Bible tells you not to do, necromancy and talking to entities and even cannibalism shows up in the book of Enoch. But it is important in the scheme of the occult and making contact

simply because all of those things exist and you can read about them in the Bible, in the book of Genesis and then of course in the book of Enoch but then John D was kind of the one who dictated and wrote down this language, the Inokian language in the

15-1600s that later on people would also have success in channeling entities basically. That's wild. That's wild. It really is. It's a fascinating story and I you know this whole

call realm. I'm not an occultist. I don't practice these things. They're fascinating, though. I mean, it'll make you go mad a little bit trying to research and understand all these things. And that's the way I feel, too. Obviously, I'm not an occultist. I mean, I'm very outwardly spoken about my Christian faith. And I find this stuff fascinating, though. What we're talking about today to these monsters, people are coming across in the woods that have ties to some really funky stuff. You mentioned about the watchers. One thing that doesn't even, it doesn't say this in Genesis, but again, I don't believe that the Bible is an all-encompassing history of God and time and creation. I think it's just a small sliver of what we were supposed to know. That was critical

information. It took 66 books just to get that out. So imagine how big the book would be if we had everything. But I do think that there's there's a probably strong likelihood that the watchers could have possibly procreated with men as well, opposing themselves as women. They were shown throughout the Bible to be shape-shifters and be able to take on the form of man. They're not men, but they were able to take the form as men, like in lot. And to the point that the people of the town thought that they were so attractive and that they wanted to have sexual intercourse with these men. And so, I mean, it's clear that they were able to go from angel to human very convincingly. And we know that they've been, they've been, they procreated with human beings. So if they're going

from something that's not human to go and procreate with women, why is it not possible for them to pose as women and have sex with men? Therefore, possibly having the ability to give birth to hybrid super beings like Nephilim that people will suggest would split a mom in half giving birth to. So just a thought that I think about sometimes probably totally off. And I'm probably missing something so elementary and basic that blows that theory out the water. Back on topic, though. I don't know if this is on topic, though.

But I'm going to bring it up because when you said it, it just kind of took me back a little bit. So I don't dive into this stuff like you do. I don't know nearly as much as you do. And just today, just because I knew I was going to be talking to you, so I was just kind of gathering some stuff that I had before and stuff just trying to organize it all. I came across a website that was sent to me.

And to lay the background story on this, during episode 512, Desert Portal Death Colt, James talked about a lot of different things. He sent me images of, you know, him at this location, which is how I know where it's at because I was able to pull the coordinates off the image that he took on his iPhone. One of the other things he sent me, though, was an Instagram picture that was posted in Joshua Tree from this party. And on the picture was overlaid a symbol. And I have no idea what the symbol is. And actually, I have it cued up here.

Or I did. I'm going to text it to you right now so you have it as well. So you can see what I'm what I'm talking about. So just keep an eye on your phone here because it should come through in a second here. Let me put Isaac. There we go. All right, send. So it should be coming through here in a few minutes for you. But on this symbol here, I was like, well, I don't know what that is. And then a listener saw the symbol when I posted it in Discord. And they sent me a link here to Metatron's Cube. And I'm like, well, what the heck is Metatron's Cube? And the symbol, I guess, for this Metatron's Cube looks not identical, but very similar to

this symbol in this picture that I just sent you. And in the description of this cube, it just says a mystical three-dimension cube used by the Archangel Metatron to watch over the flow of energy connecting Earth and the divine. And I'm like, all right, so we know that like during James's experience, it seemed like he was going through this interdimensional shift at times. And if this metatron's cube has anything to play with it, I just found it very synchronistic maybe is at the very least that there could be a tie to this Metatron cube, which Metatron, an archangel, watches over the flow of energy seemingly between, realms. And I'm like, that's kind of trippy to me. I'll send you the link that I have here too. That's fascinating. Yeah, I'm looking at the picture here. I definitely see the link you're talking about with the Metatron there. The thing that I see, because at first I thought this

looks similar to the Philosopher's Stone in a way, but more interestingly, I see the seal of Solomon, which is basically the star of David. And it's a reference to the, the upright and the inverted triangle posed on top of each other, right? They're sort of interlocked. And the point, and I'm just looking at this thing, and I see a portal in the center. My mind's kind of racing here. I see like a sort of portal in the center.

Like it's sort of, let me write these down so I don't, they don't miss it here. So we got, we got a ritual, ritual magic circle. we got the Star of David, which is hermetic, as above, so below. So let's talk about this here real quick. Just give you a little, what of my hot take is right off the jump here. So when you have the triangle, right, in ritual magic, they call it the triangle of manifestation. And what the magician will do is they'll stand inside of a circle. They'll perform these rituals, kind of like we were talking about.

earlier, the Amalantra working or even the Enochian magic. And when the magician stands in the circle, they project the entity to manifest inside of a triangle. That's why they call it the triangle of manifestation. And the entity will be locked inside of that triangle and the magician will be safe inside of the circle. That's kind of the idea of how they do it. So in this picture, I see a circle and I see a triangle, right?

But when you see the two triangles overlapped like that, it also references the star of David or the seal of Solomon. And in terms of magic, you go back to King Solomon, and it was alleged that he used this, what they call the seal of Solomon, a ring to control entities.

Some people say angels, some people say demons. He was able to control entities and make them do his bidding so that they would build his first. Temple. And you see this storyline in Twin Peaks, which all my listeners know, I've been absolutely obsessed to Twin Peaks the last five, six months, because it fits into everything I've ever read and researched and understood about the occult. And it was my first time watching Twin Peaks,

so I'm kind of blown away by it. But anyway, the, okay, so we talked about triangle of manifestation, and you see that triangle of manifestation depicted as what they call the rock diamond. in pop culture, JZ, Rihanna, and they interlocked their hands and form a triangle. And originally it goes back to Jay Z who had Rockefeller records. And he says, oh, it's a diamond, which, sure, yeah, if you press your thumbs hard and you angle it, it is a diamond. But the way they do it, it kind of looks more like a triangle. And that sort of caught on in pop culture into this sort of Illuminati accusation stuff.

and it is interesting that him and Beyonce and Rihanna just did it at the Super Bowl, which ironically, I watched the Super Bowl live. And when she did that hand gesture of the rock diamond or the triangle of manifestation, the cameras, they cut away for that exact like two seconds. And they resumed in. She raises her hands and it cuts away so you don't see it. Then it cuts right back in on her after she's done with it. and you could see it on the YouTube version of the performance because someone sent it to me. I watched it live on TV and I had my stuff to say about her.

Then someone sent me the YouTube thing. I said, what? That wasn't on the TV performance. So if you watch the YouTube, you can see it. But the idea is that these artists are using occult practices to manifest energy, to get attention, to sort of put themselves, in the position of gods to their fans in a way.

Are they really doing it? I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know what goes on in these inner circles, but I do know these artists get into some weird stuff. Like, when, like, you know, Santana's talking about how he channels Metatron. Like, that's kind of weird stuff. Normal people don't talk like that. Right. So anyways, this triangle manifestation has a rich history, right?

But yeah, yeah, that star of David Seala Solomon, It has the inverted and the upright triangle, and it's a reference to alchemy, and there's a long, again, this is another multi-hour explanation, but I'll give you this short version. Back in ancient Egypt, it was said that they, you know, back in ancient Egypt and ancient Greece, they talked about it. They talked to all these gods and stuff, and people think, oh, that's just kind of silly stuff. And that's, you know, thousands of years ago, that's how they talked. Well, there's a theory that, that wasn't silly, and that was real stuff. They were really talking to gods, and they talked to this one called Thoth, or Hermes Trismagistus, which means Hermes that thrice great. And Hermes,

very similar to the story of the Book of Enoch, was this God who came to earth and told mankind, hey, there's these occult practices you can use to defy God, and you can sort of bend reality to your will. You can become a magician. and in this teaching that they now, they call alchemy, it was dictated on the book of Thoth, which people say is the Emerald Tablets.

That's all, again, massive sort of rabbit hole stuff. But one main principle that you'll find in what they call the hermetic wisdom, which again references Hermes or this Thoth God, is as above so below, which says that magic is possible, Meaning here on Earth in the microcosm, if I employ these occult practices, I can actually become God in a way and have an effect on the cosmos and the universe. And the universe can, if I used enough energy and manifestation, the universe will sort of bend itself to my will and create reality. And you'll see this a lot in New Age thinking.

You'll see it in, in fact, I was reading a book about how to manifest wealth. is someone that sent me. They said, oh, you got to read this book. And it's interesting stuff. And, you know, I'd be lying if I say some of this stuff doesn't work in a way. Like an example I always give is years and years and years ago, I was in college studying physics. And I was studying quantum physics at the time because my background's engineering. And we talked a lot about different wacky ideas in quantum physics, like the law of entanglement and things like that.

And at the same time, the movies, what the bleep do we know came out. These were documentaries. They were very new age quantum physics thinking. And they're uplifting. Honestly, it's nice to feel like you've got maybe some level of control over your life. And there's positive elements you could take from that.

But anyway, there was one concept I had read, I was into New Age thought for a while there. And one concept, they said, is to just say yes to everything. because I was a really negative person. I'm still pretty negative, let's be honest,

but I used to be really negative and isolating and stuff. And for a year, they said, just say yes to everything. And I did that and it opened up a lot of doors for me. So I do think there's something to be said for trying to get your mind right. And for Christians, that can be prayer and going to church.

And maybe that's enough for other people like me that I'm a Christian. I'm very skeptical still. It's not an easy subject for me to cover. but ultimately I do believe in sort of white light power of Christ kind of things and love and all those things, right? So I am a Christian.

I'm Orthodox, actually. I'm an ortho-brough, bro, they say. Ortho-brough. Yeah, there's a lot of orthobros. Jay Dyer's an ortho-brough, apparently. And, you know, there's a weird pipeline in the realm of conspiracy. I actually started out in the realm of conspiracy.

That was my podcast. The original name was Conspiracy Theory's in Unpopular Culture. Back in 2014, I started it. And the realm of conspiracy theories has changed pretty dramatically over the last few years. And I changed the title of my show to occult symbolism and pop culture because that's more fitting of what my lane is that I stick to. Whereas conspiracy has sort of taken on this really politicized sort of subversive, dangerous element more so than in the past. and I was just like, oh boy, this is, it's just not the, there's a lot of conspiracy people that stick around with me because they like hearing about occult symbolism they find in films.

And there's a heavy overlap between my research and conspiracy theories. But anyway, I forget where I was going with all that. But the point is that symbol, I see a lot of hermetic wisdom ideas in there with as above so below. Well, that's fascinating. I don't know where you were going either, but I was in it for the ride, man. I was like, keep going. This is great stuff. And now I had a thought running through my head and it's gone now too.

But yeah, I mean, that symbol, just the Metatron and all that stuff, I had never heard of Metatron. And so the symbol kind of stood out to me. And it kind of, we could probably migrate into something else here that I had text you about when I saw it on your Instagram a couple months ago. you posted a clip and I don't know if it's from Twin Peaks or something else, but there was a guy sitting at a table with a woman and he opens up a piece of paper that had a symbol on it, almost like a sigil or something. And he talks about how symbols are gateways.

And then she kind of cuts them off and stuff and they changed the subject because he's like, oh, you got nothing to worry about the kind of thing. Like he was holding something back. Are symbols being gateways? Gatewayways to what? What are your thoughts on that? I mean, you heard the episode with Joshua, and the portal idea.

I talk about portals a lot of my show. There's more and more people coming forward talking about their experiences with portal-like situations, whether they just saw something walk out seemingly of a portal where they don't see the portal, but it's just like this thing appeared. Like it walked out of something to actually seeing portals appear and things going in and out of them. So how do symbols possibly play into this idea of gateways and what are gateways? great, great topic.

There's a lot to this. I'll try to keep it. I'm watching the clock here. I'll try to keep it. We might close out of the show on this because there's a lot to say. Real quick, though, one last thing on this picture you sent me. I don't know how it has those circles, the two Ds and the J. I have no idea what that means.

When I look at that, I see the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, Separat is what they're called. But no clue. But more importantly, the caption there, it says, Can I read the caption on the show here? Is that okay? Yep. It says, don't worry about falling.

The dust will catch you. And then it has a emoji of a ladder, right? Now that ladder is symbolic of Freemasonry. They use the ladder oftentimes in many Freemasonic iconography and symbolism to represent the the initiate climbing the ladder to ascending to getting the hidden gnosis, It's the hidden knowledge of the, you know, 33rd degree Freemason, the Scottish right of Freemasonry,

which is really fascinating. In fact, I wrote a book and I talked about Stanley Kubrick obsessively. I wrote a whole book about Kubrick stuff. And in The Shining, when you watch the Shining, there's ladders everywhere. It is really bizarre.

They'll have ladders going to nowhere. It's really weird. But anyway, when I see the ladder, that's a free masonic. simple. I don't know if that's what it's intended to be there. I certainly don't understand how that fits into the caption. Seems weird to me. Yeah. But it tells me that maybe there was some kind of initiatory event going on. Like we talked about the beginning of the show, the desert's the

initiatory place. Maybe this was an initiation ritual for somebody. And that's the hidden sort of language that symbol they're using. That's wild. Anyway, anyway, so let's talk about symbols and portals and that kind of stuff. If you recall there was a, in Switzerland, the Goddard tunnel had opened years ago. Do you remember this when they did this huge it was a huge to do? Every conspiracy theorist was losing their mind about it, rightfully so. And it was a lot of like weird

demonic pagan looking stuff. But it seemed like they were drilling a hole through the tunnel but it did seem like it was more of a ritual about a portal. Like with CERN, people say CERN is opening portals and you know, I don't doubt that stuff.

It seems like maybe that's a thing. And if people watch Twin Peaks, they'll they'll know that all this stuff is very much in the show. Okay, so that itself just sold me on checking out Twin Peaks myself. The people listening to the show, so you and I are like vinegar and oil on certain things. Like I don't watch movies. I don't watch TV shows. I'm known for people.

Like you said to me, have you seen Twin Peaks? I'm like, absolutely not. But now I got to check it out because you're talking portals to me. I'm in for the ride. Let's do it. Let me clarify because, okay. Let me take five minutes on the Twin Peaks. That's fine.

I'm going to get back to symbols. For years and years, like I said, I started blogging in 2011 and writing books around that time, podcasting in 2014. Without fail, nonstop, people say,

have you watched Twin Peaks? You've got to watch Twin Peaks. And over the years, I tried many, many times. I watched half of the first episode, probably five, six, seven times before I finally made it through.

Because when you watch it, it's from 1990, the first two seasons, it was 90 and 91. When you watch it, it just seems like a silly, weirdly paced soap opera. And I'm watching it. I'm like, what's there for me? Why are they telling me to watch this?

I don't even understand. And they won't tell you why exactly, because that's part of the fun, is trying to decode what's happening. And in October, I got really sick. In 22, I got really sick. And I gave it one more shot. I was like, okay, let me try this Twin Peaks thing again, right? And I make it through the first episode. It's fine.

And I'm on like the fourth or fifth episode and I'm still fighting. I'm like, this is stupid. Why am I watching this? And then, you know, then something will happen. You'll be like, oh, that's interesting. I'm not going to plot spoil in case you do watch it. But let me tell you this. When you watch, it's about 50 hours to watch the first two seasons, the film, and then season

three. And I watched the whole thing and then I read the books afterwards. But when I watched all that content, I wanted to bail on the project at least five to ten times where I was like, this is so stupid. I'm going back to watching what I want to watch. But I stuck with it and it was worth it because by the end of the whole thing, even though I was very confused by a lot of stuff and a lot of things didn't make sense and there's a lot of silly parts. And David Lynch is kind of a weirdo. So there's weird pacing sometimes. And I was like, well, that's interesting.

I don't know if I'd watch it all again, but let me read it. the books. Then I read the books. And then the books is where they really unload all the occult connections. And I think, oh my God, like it all makes sense. And part of the storyline, and this won't, this isn't going to spoil anything, but part of the storyline is the idea that there is a doorway to another realm. And, and, and, uh, I don't know the quote off the top of my head, but there's, one of the characters makes mention to how love can enter a place of light and fear. And, can enter a place of darkness. And that's very much in line with the idea of symbols and this idea you're talking about

with portals. I did a show, I did a deep dive on this satanic group called the Order of Nine Angles. I'm going to read you two sentences from the book that I think sum it up as best as I could find over my years of researching symbolism and why this happens, okay? says the magician utilizes signs and symbols as part of a communication process with the phenomenon she wishes to understand or affect and assigns meaning to the phenomena that became known to her. Okay, so basically it's saying that people that believe in the idea of doing ritual magic or occult magic, again, to put this into perspective, like the Book of Enoch tells us,

the fallen angels was teaching mankind and that's why God smited the world, right? These forbidden arts, the magician will use signs and symbols to communicate with this unseen realm. That's the idea behind it, okay? Then they talk about sigils, and a sigil is basically just a sort of refined, personalized symbol in a way, okay? It says, sigils need to be properly implanted into the subconscious as part of creating a necessary space between action and the ability of the sigil to continue to work below the level of conscious thought. And they're referencing some actual science there. If you research Carl Young, a famous psychoanalyst and occult Gnostic, he was studying a lot of the occult phenomena. He wrote a whole book on

UFOs back in like, I don't know, the 1940s or whatever. And he talked about symbols giving purpose to man. And a lot of these ancient occultists knew all this. And it was a very common knowledge, apparently, back in the day, how symbols held a certain power. And that's why

Hitler was obsessed with the occult as well. More like his right-hand man, Heinrich Himmler, was deep into it. And I think Hitler was maybe casually interested. Maybe he was more into power. But either way, that's why they took the solar symbol of the swastika, which was a positive symbol for, I don't know, all of history.

And they reversed its orientation to make it draw upon negative dark forces. And in the early parades when they were getting the hyping up the German people before all the atrocities, they would put together these large shows where they would have 30,000 swastis And there was a reason for that. They were sort of soaking the mass consciousness of the people with this symbol. And, you know, I don't know if there's a hard proof you can have. I think there's got to be a little bit of belief that this is what goes on. I've read enough and I've seen enough that to me, I believe it wholeheartedly.

I think that a lot of these occultists will use symbols in the entertainment, in the film, and the TV shows. And just like that quote was saying, it creates space for action to happen. And to put it back to Twin Peaks, that's kind of what I think Twin Peaks was able to do now that I've digested the whole thing because it was created by David Lynch and Mark Frost.

And Mark Frost wrote the books that to me reveal, I don't know, 70% of the truth of what's going on here with the connections to the occult. I think you need, I don't want to say it myself. You need a translator, no, but you need to know a little bit more than what the books say to really put it in perspective to understand why this show was so, I don't know if importance, the right word, so powerful. Well, David Lynch, I don't know that he was the guy who knew all about the occult

symbolism, but Mark Frost did. Mark Frost understood the occult ideas. And David Lynch, he was a really great director, and he's able to speak to the subconscious. So I think those two combined together, it was the occult knowledge with Lynch's ability to speak to the subconscious that made it really powerful. And that's sort of proven because this show, once you get into it, you'll find there's this massive cult following. People just completely obsessed with the show. And I couldn't believe it myself, but I got sucked into it too.

And I'm completely obsessed with the show. I'll watch a lot of horror movies. I haven't been able to watch a new movie. Every time I sit down, I'll get 15 minutes into a movie. And I'm like, man, I think I'd rather watch Twin Peaks. And I'll rewatch it because I'm looking for clues and evidence and things like that.

Wow. But yeah, to put a bow on it, yeah, there's a power and symbolism. And there's something weird that happened. in pop culture over the last five, six, seven, eight years where we were talking about symbols

and talking about who's in the Illuminati for years. I was on that group of folks from 2011 to 2015 and 16 pointing out symbols and artists doing it in their videos and things like that. And there's,

it got popularized and sort of made to be a joke in a way is how I interpreted. You'll see memes of people. For instance, I'm trying to think, I don't watch sports, but I think it was Tom Brady. And, you know, there's a meme of him with like a triangle shaped thing on his, I don't remember, on his hat or something. And they're like, oh, Illuminati confirmed, you know, and like, it's kind of been made a joke. And it dismisses the actual reality of what I think is going on.

And a lot of folks, too, it's not just me, but reality of the ability for these magicians to speak to the subconscious. So these symbols and the, I guess, gateways to these, with these symbols, a lot of it is through the subconscious is what you would say? Yeah, there's, there's a guy named Peter Levenda, who's a very intelligent writer on the occult. And in one of his books called the Dark Lord, he speaks about this other magician named Kenneth Grant. He basically

was a follower of Crowley and very much into all the same things we've been talking about. And Kenneth Grant was exploring this hidden realm. They called the Moves Zone. And these occultists believe that there's a source

of whether he calls the artistic impulses as well as divine and demonic forces that comes from the Mov Zone. And the entrance to this Mov Zone, allegedly is through the subconscious of the mind. So it's very much a sort of woo-wooey idea that's not an actual place, but the shadow realm of the mind is where the symbols speak to.

And allegedly that's where, you know, Carl Young talked about this is, in fact, where creativity exists is in the shadow of the subconscious. So you'll see a lot of artists, seemingly trying to access the shadow realm. One example I like to give, because I know these are really weird topics for people who aren't familiar.

Kobe Bryant, when he died, and again, I'm not, I don't watch sports. I couldn't even tell you what team he played for. I think it was the Lakers, if I was the guess. But anyway, Kobe Bryant, he died in, I think it was January of 2020. It was right before the pandemic. And it was a huge topic, right?

obviously famous celebrity young guy dies in this tragic helicopter accident well a lot of conspiracies came out of the time there was a cartoon strangely a cartoon where Kobe Brian's cartoon character dies in a helicopter crash which is really bizarre I mean it happened right and and stuff like that happens and I my mind automatically goes to this idea of creating reality and you put enough energy and attention into these things that there's a possibility they can happen, which is why, and it sounds as borderline paranoia, but I get, I get kind of scared to say or do things that I think could give things energy that I don't want to happen, right? But anyway, Kobe Bryant, he was in the process of creating this multimedia company called Granity Entertainment. And I was researching it.

And he had released some kids books. He had planned this line of children's books meant to sort of inspire kids to, you know, very Disney-esque, use your imagination, use magic and things like that. And that's what granity means in this universe he created in his books. Granity means magic. And a lot of people would probably dismiss it and say, oh, it's just like Disney, right? It's like, everything's magical and it's not meant to be this occult, idyllian talking to demons stuff.

You're always ran and raven about something different, right? And I get that. There's space for that to exist where I'm like, yeah, you're right. Sometimes we get a little overzealous in this realm. But if you read the books, I did a show reviewing two of the books that he had released before his death that I read both of them. So I don't remember which one was which, but themes you found. in the books, there was, both of them were about children who wanted to become better at sports,

right? And in the one book, the kid channels this flame entity that later, by the end of the book, she finds out it was a fallen angel, basically Lucifer, is what she finds out. Are you serious? I'm dead serious, man. I did a show about, I'll send you the link to it. I did a show about it, and I walked through and read right from the book. But, yeah, She finds out because she sort of, I don't know, channels something from this entity and she becomes great at basketball. Then at the end of the book, she walks into the room and I think it was her uncle was worshipping this statue. And he explains to her about how it was this sort of fallen angel. And then, so that's one thing.

And then the other book talked about how this boy was in this training camp. And it took a bunch of boys and was teaching him how to be. better at basketball. And in the training camp, they go through a variety of magical, uh, ritual initiation steps. And one of them involves making contact with their shadow self. And this one boy gets really good at making contact and letting the shadow self take over his physical body. And it scares him because he almost kills one of his buddies playing basketball. He was so competitive because he let the dark side take over. And, you know, this fits into all this talk and he uses those terms the shadow which i've read all this stuff

from carl young and peter levenda with the dark lord and all these actual occultists who've been talking about embracing the shadow and letting the shadow realm take over and then and i'm blown away by all this i'm like wow these are in the kids books but then um but then uh someone alerted me to i guess Kobe Bryant uses this uh alter ego called dark mamba or something like that And there was a video clip of him on, I think it was Sesame Street, there was a puppet or something. And he is talking about using the shadow to allow himself to be better at basketball and all this stuff. I mean, it's wild. But that's all the stuff that makes me think all the time that, man, we have to really take a look at all these artists and celebrities who are, or, you know, Beyonce is using the triangle.

And she's talking about how she lets the spirit, Sasha Fierce, run through her body, right? and, you know, just sort of put a conclusion on it. I try not to insert my personal opinion to a lot of things, but I do like to throw a bone because sometimes we get a little overzealous and we start looking into things too much and thinking too much about things. And I'm trying to find that balance

is where I'm out of my personal journey of understanding all this. Because I see that there are connections here and a lot of people have been, especially the mainstream media and a lot of the powers that be, they want us to believe that this is all some kind of quasi-satanic panic thing.

And I get that. I get that there's an element of that here, especially the way people run with this stuff. But I also want to raise awareness of it and say, look, let's just be smart about it. I think they're trying to do a sort of revelation of the method and get people in a way on board with some of these ideas or something to that effect, you know.

Yeah. I mean, I think that they know people are going to run with it like this whole satanic panic energy. And so they use that to cover what they're actually doing. The black mamba and then the shadow figure in the stories for these kids, I had no idea about it. I have to look into this now too because I'm very interested in it because, I had I I I there's so many things that have gone around with this idea of Kobe Bryant dying I remember seeing the the cartoon that you were talking about but uh well tell me your thoughts about LeBron James not just kidding we're not even going to go there right now we're not even going to go there right now oh he's definitely a luminic confirm yeah tell me about it uh no but I I brought up that whole thing the the subconsciousness because um I did an episode I think it was five to be honest with you. I think it was 512. There was a guy named Hunter on my show who thought he had a dream of an upright walking dog that he saw in this dream realm, dream state. And it started going towards his family. He stepped in between the two. He got mulled. He wakes up sitting up in his bed.

He's got bruises on his body. And you could say, well, that could be, you know, he did it in his sleep, you know, nightmare. That's fine. He tells his wife, the dream. and a few days later, he's out in the woods with his son walking through the woods, his 11-year-old son here in Tennessee where I'm at, and they both lock eyes with an upright walking dog that looked identical to what he saw in his dream. And so that's why, and I don't know, and I had to ask him if he came across any kind of symbolism that he's been diving into or something like that, I don't know, but the subconsciousness, the consciousness level,

is it that his consciousness manifested in this physical reality, what he dreamt about because it scarred him so bad? Or is there more to this where our mind, our consciousness, could be a gateway in itself to other realms. And if that's the case and we go to other places, could, if we don't close that gateway properly, things come through. It's weird because it's like, it's like what, that a dog man peeked through his forehead and come out?

I have no idea. But that was his experience. And he, I think him and I have been talking about, having him come out to my studio to sit down and talk again. But I would love to do it if it's possible with him and his son, to have his son come and talk about this experience too. But that's kind of why I brought it up. To wrap this up, though, let people know where they can find you, promote away.

I know your Instagram is popping. I was just on it this morning, and I think it had like 57,000 followers. I'm like, dang, boy. So where can people find your work? Oh, thank you, man. Yeah. So my Instagram is at Isaac Wisehop. Try your best spell on that. But if you go to my website,

Illuminati Watcher.com, I got links to everything. If you don't want to do that and you want to just go straight to the podcast, that's kind of my, you know, I've written a bunch of books on Amazon, narrated them on Audible as well. You can find them under my name.

But the podcast is called Occult symbolism and pop culture. Occult is spelled OCCUL. And you can find my show on there. And I do, you know, shows weekly and I'm just starting this journey into Twin Peaks. So if you're a Twin Peaks fan, this is definitely a great time to get on board. And just like you're talking about the woods, man, it's a huge part of Twin Peaks. It's not a plot spoiler. But anyway, and I'm trying to

gash you up on this because you're probably going to watch it and you're probably going to think, this is stupid, especially because you're not a movie or TV guy, it's going to be a struggle. You're going to really hate it. You've got to really work for it. But, you know, the first time through, you're going to have your doubts, and then you're going to think about it. You're going to say, oh, man, that's wild. And then you're going to be like me and rewatching this stupid thing. But yeah, anyways, I'm going, I'm deep diving super deep and heavy into Twin Peaks. But yeah, you can get the podcast where I talk about a lot of pop culture things and the books.

I've got a book called The Dark Path, which is what the book I tell people to start with, because I wrote that in 2017. and it sums up the whole agenda, you know, from my perspective. And it, it encapsulates nicely what I think is happening. And the reason I push it is because since I've written it, things have just become more true. And I'm more convinced that I'm like, dude, I think this is it. I think this is like the grand theory of what's happening and why and how symbolism works and all this stuff. So yeah, I'm got them all over the place.

So, you know, check it out. Definitely check it out. I actually have that book, The Dark Path. Haven't read it yet, but I do have it. And I, I, what I do is whenever I see a book that I'm like, oh, that might be banned one day. I buy him. And, uh, oh, yes. And I do believe, uh, this book could be on that list.

Yeah. I, you know, I've written nine books with very dangerous sounding titles. because they used to not ban you, right? And I wrote a book ironically. I won't say the term on here. In 2020, I wrote a book because I was researched heavily into, and you can read between the lines, health matters of what was happening around then.

And I wrote a book about something related to that, and it got banned from Amazon. I said, wow, really? You're telling me I got all these books about worshiping Satan and channeling aliens and that's totally fine, but then I write this one. but anyway. And not that I have, you know, I stay out of people's health, man. I think everyone should make their own decisions on that kind of stuff for what it's worth.

But anyway, yeah, the Dark Path is definitely the book that if you're going to read one book, that's the one that I wrote that I think holds up really well. Awesome. Well, everybody should check them out. Isaac, I appreciate you joining me. It's been a long time. Hopefully we can do it again some time. Cheers, man.

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