The Confessionals - 562: Devin and the Teenage Werewolf

Episode Date: July 11, 2023

In Episode 562: Devin and the Teenage Werewolf, Devin shares about his experience with a girl he dated in high school. Picture this: a high school romance that transcends the ordinary, where Devin's heart soars when his crush reciprocates his feelings. Little did he know that this infatuation would unleash an extraordinary chapter in his life. His story is a rollercoaster of emotions as his girlfriend unveils her true identity as a captivating lycan or werewolf. Join us as we talk with Devin and he takes us on a wild ride through the highs and lows of their relationship, filled with mind-bending experiences that challenged his perception of reality.The Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:1. Smoky Mountain Bigfoot ConferenceTickets: https://bit.ly/3l1wZHR2. LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0Tony's Studio Equipment: linktr.ee/mystudiogearSPONSORSGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals50" for 50% off plus the first box ships for free!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET FIRSTLEAF: tryfirstleaf.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvetOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Hey, everybody, before we get into this week's show, I just want to let you know that we do have a date in mind now. August 19th, we are premiering our next film, The Shape of Shadows, where we went out to Spacewolf Research Property, which butts up against Skinwalker Ranch. And we did an entire week investigation looking into the Skinwalker and all the native legend lore surrounding the topic. And we had a great time and we got a lot of stuff on film. This is a really cool second film for Merkel Media, and we are premiering it on August 19th. That's a Saturday. Tickets available for the premiere are coming. They're not available now, but I just wanted to give you a heads up.

The premiere is coming, August 19th, 2003, and the tickets will be available soon. Stay tuned and enjoy this episode. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about. I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast.

And spears, Dan, holds him up like that. and holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Got sparser, got sparser, got spars him. I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small, and they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed.

I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody you're listening to the Confessionals podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. thanks for being here. If you've a crazy wild experience you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is Contact at theconfessionalspodcast.com. That's contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either it works for me,

just get a hold of me. If you want more shows on a weekly basis, we give that to the members only. All you got to do is go to the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the join button, become a member. You get access to the Thursday shows and you get access to the Tuesday shows. add free and overtime segments when they're available. And that's all for the people that are members to the Confessionals. And you get access to the Confessionals member app available in the Google and Apple App Store. So go ahead and check it out if you're interested in that. Now, today we have a fun, fun, fun conversation here with Devin here in studio. Devin, how are you, sir? I'm doing all right. How are you? I'm doing good, man. So, listen, I got to tell people how we got connected.

because I think it's, it's one of those things where it's like you could really, it's like, how does a good story begin? Well, that was in middle of the night. And so you, I was in Indiana doing some work for other stuff, other projects. And ever since episode 309 with J.R., him and I've been in touch. And he's actually sitting in studio right now off camera. Yeah, say hi, J.R. What's up?

There he is. So him and. and I and his wife, Shelly, did some recordings last night, but I stopped by his house to talk, I guess. Like, I don't even remember the reason why we stopped. We just were passing through. Dude, we should stop and talk and hang out. So we did. And we got there. And he's like, I got this guy that I work with and he's going to come over and tell you his story about a werewolf. And I'm like, cool. And you show up. And in my mind's eye, if I remember correctly, you showed up and it was getting dark. And you started telling the story and we go into JR's place. And we spent quite a long

period of time talking about this where when you were in high school, and this is how I think you introduced yourself to me. You're like, when I was in high school, I dated a werewolf. Yep. What? I'm like, bro, you're on the show, man. And so we didn't have good equipment set up there. We had some lapel mics and the wheeling had two. And I remember it you didn't want to wear one. And you're like, no, I'm fine. And I'm like, I kind of want him wearing one. But I think these mics are okay. They weren't. And the audio sucked. And I was like, I can't put this out to the world. This story is too, two killer. So I asked if you'd want to come down. And so happens, the answer is yes. And so here you are.

And you're here to talk about this experience you had in high school. And so what I want you to do is just kind of like start from the beginning and work us through the story of how you met this girl, how did it kind of start unfolding and the stories that unfolded in between because I remember some of the things you were saying. I was just like, what the heck? This can't be real. And then some of the things you said, though, I checked in with some other people that have other werewolf connections in that area.

And they were like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, that's, that's legit. And I'm like, oh, shoot. So the floor is yours, sir. All right, well, if I ramble on, just kind of like stop me. It's podcast, rambling's good. Sometimes people talk too much. But anyways, so when I was in high school, it was right as I got my license. So I was

16 years old. Found a girl that looked really cute and went after her. I guess you could say that. But anyways, I started to get to know the girl.

She was on the weirder side, Gothic, emo, stuff like that. Everybody's got their preferences. But anyways, well, I started talking to her and started getting to know her more and more and started hanging out and becoming more of a thing.

And the way she carried herself was different from most women, most girls at the time. And it just, I don't know, we hit it off. And so anyways, so we started dating and we probably dated for, I think it was two years, two or three years. It's been so long ago. Some of that stuff is kind of like blurry anymore. But so anyways, well, every time I went over there is a new adventure. I mean, like, you know, normal situations or at least what I would think would be normal. about, you know, a guy would go to a girl's house.

They'd either hang out, go out on a boat, go have fun in the woods, whatever. Well, this kind of stuff that we did was more like just kind of hang out and people watch type of deal. Or we'd hang out with her friends. And they weren't really the type that you would really want to go and just kind of hang out with. honestly. So anyways, well, we got to know each other more and more. And, you know, there's a few things that some people would be like, well, that's a red flag. And, you know, there's a few not and stuff like that.

But anyways, you could tell she was really protective or, let's say, like I was hers. I don't know what the best word for that would be. But so anyways, more than that, as far as she would, we go someplace and like she'd make sure like I'd never looked around as far as like looking at other girls or looking towards certain directions. Like she always tried to like keep my focus towards her. kind of like stuff was happening and behind the scenes, you know, or she was jealous of somebody else.

And, which was really weird at times because a lot of the times she didn't act like that. But, you know, I was, I was 16 years old. Heck, yeah. Yeah,

I got a good looking girl, like trying to keep me in her, in her sight. So, yeah, it is kind of interesting. Well, anyways,

as we got to know each other more and more, she started kind of telling me secrets. She wanted to tell me more and wanted to tell me more. And, you know, she wanted me to tell her stuff. And, well, she, I don't even know what we were doing. We're in her room, but she was saying that we were telling secrets to each other. And she says, I'm a liking. And I was, you know, first thought,

you know, underworld. And I was like, you mean like in the movies? And she's like, no, no, they change shapes. They do other things. That's way, way exaggerated. And I was like, okay. So I said, what are you mean? She goes, well, like in the movies, you know, they have super strength.

They have, you know, claws, stuff like. like that. She goes, I can do some of that. And I was like, you're, you know, 16 year old boy with a girl. Yeah, you're just joking with me. Like, there ain't no way that you can do any of that stuff. And I slowly got proven wrong about that. So, um, I, not until the last time we actually talked, I'd never put two and two together, but I never seen her finger. fingernails actually like when she cut them i never seen them get you know shorter and um so like you'd see them you know you'd see her cut them but they'd never be you know really short or nothing and then by the next time you'd see them they'd be longer again and you know a lot of people's like

oh well she just didn't cut them shorter she put whatever on them well you know you can tell obviously from a plastic nail, from a real nail, and they hurt when they scratched. So, anyways, so I didn't believe her. I just went along with it. You know, she was cute. Why not? You know, I mean, I didn't have a preference back in. I'm a liking, well, I'm a liking you, so let's do this.

Yeah, exactly. Sorry, I had to get that dad joke out. Oh, it's, I'm glad you talk. Right. But anyways, well, So, like I said, you know, I just kind of went with it. Oh, yeah, sure. You're, you're, you're badass, you know, whatever.

Well, she knew I didn't believe her. And she's like, no, seriously, you know, I'm alike. And I said, well, prove it to me. Show me something. Do something for me. And she's like, well, it's not like that. And I said, well, I mean, I don't know what you want me to, how you want me to believe you then.

you know and she's like well there's there's two more outside i said okay and said i want to see him she said you want to see them i said yeah you're not going to run away or nothing no i show me so i can believe you and i said i'm seeing is believing i mean you know and you know as i got older seeing is not always believing but anyways uh so we went outside and there's this big old tree right across the road from her. And it didn't have enough branches or leaves or anything on it to actually cover anything. And so I was looking at it and I was like, okay, where are they at? She's like, well, they're behind it up in it.

I'm like, why are they up in it? Aren't they likens? Like, they're not birds. And, you know, 16-year-old kids going to have some dark huge. humor and smart assery. But anyways, so she's like, no, they aren't, but they're up there walking at both of us and actually laughing at you now. I was like, well, I'm glad I'm a comedian.

And she said, now they're really, like, laughing at you. And I said, well, you know, whatever. I can't even see them where are they at. She's like, well, hold on. And then she's like, did you see them then? I said, no, I didn't. Like, you're looking at things that I don't see. And I said, you sure you're not crazy?

And then she said, now they're laughing at me. I said, well, I'm sorry, but where are they at? And she said, they're right there in front you. They're right on the other side of the tree on this branch right there. And I said, I don't see a foot. I don't see a hand. I don't see scratch marks. I don't see nothing.

And she's like, well, they're right there. And I said, okay, you know, whatever. her. I don't, I don't, I don't know what you want me to do. And, and she's like, well, and so then I actually walked across the road and, like, walked around the tree and stuff and was looking at, she's like, you're not going to see them like that. And I said, what do you mean? And she's like, they're going to walk around the tree as you're walking around the tree. Like, they're not going to just sit there and present themselves to you. And I said, so how do you want me to see them. And she said, just never mind. They had to go anyways. And I was just like, okay, well,

you're obviously just crazy. Whatever. You're still cute. So I'll just hang out. And well, then we went back inside and something hit the window. And I was like, what was that? And she goes, well, that was them. I was sitting there like, I wrote it off. I was like, no, this bird. with a peanut or rock whatever. She's like, that was them. I'm like, if it was them do it again and something hit the door. And I was like, and her dad actually walked in. And was like, did you hear somebody knocking on the door?

And I was like, no, I didn't. Like something hit the door. And he goes, oh, okay. And the door had a porch on it. It had a roof and everything on it. You know, it wasn't just like an open door. It actually had a porch. So the likelihood of something actually hitting the door was very slim unless somebody was truly aiming at it.

So, you know, that was like, so then I was just kind of like, well, huh, okay. That's coincidence or random. And then shortly after her ex-boyfriend slash, I guess, friend then, he was also one. And he just randomly showed up. And he's like, hey, what's going on? And she's like, oh, you know, just hanging out with my boyfriend, this and that. And he's like, oh, okay, I thought I knew. I thought he was over here.

And it, like I said, it didn't really click until the last time. we talked like you know and and i i didn't i know i didn't give you this full story i know i gave you like the further on version of it and you're just kind of like when is he going to come into this no no no no this is perfect and but you know a guy can't tell all of his stories hey tell me tell me but so anyways well he he showed up and he's like oh i i i was wondering who was over here and it was kind of like the dude walked over over there. Like, we're in a trailer park and I drove, but the dude walked. So how would he, and he didn't live in that trailer park. So it's just kind of like, how'd you know I was over here?

So anyways, well, you know, I just kind of brushed it all off. It was getting late. The dude was really nice. He actually acted like he kind of cared or what I had to say or do or anything. He acted like he was trying to help out. So anyways, so I left and she's like, well, make, you know, let me know when you get home. You know, because, you know, like I said, we started getting to know each other. She started telling me your secrets. I told her some mine. And then she felt the need that she could open up more. And she's like, well, let me know when you get home. Well, I get home. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think I went in the kitchen, grab something to eat, whatever 16-year-old kid would do nowadays,

grab something to eat, and I, like, ran upstairs and just went to lay it down in bed. Well, then I get, you know, back then, after 9 o'clock, you can get phone calls for free and text for free. You didn't have to waste your minutes. And so my curfew was like 10 o'clock, but, you know, I'd always leave around 9 and get home. and, well, by the time I laid down in bed, I get a phone call from her. And she said, you didn't tell me when you got home. And I was like, well, I just got home. She said, no, you didn't.

You've been home for like 10, 15 minutes. I was like, well, I mean, I still technically just got home. And she's like, well, never, it's whatever. I'll talk to you tomorrow. And I was like, okay. And, you know, hung up, went to bed, had school next day, you know, all that stuff. And every day after school, I'd end up going over there. Well, like I said, you know, the one guy, we'll call him D.

He, D would just randomly come over. And I'd have to say I was kind of jealous because she told me that that was, is that her ex and everything. And I was just kind of like, why is he always spending time over here when and when I'm not around? You know, like, what's going? So, you know, and it's just like, well, they're cheating on me, you know, stuff like that. And I, you know, but I kind of went with it because, again, she's cute. I'm 16. Like, I, whatever, you know.

And so anyways, I, you know, I, you know, come over every day after school. well the next weekend comes up and I go you know I go over there Saturday morning that way I have the whole day to spend with her and go over there Saturday morning she's like hey let's go hang out I got some friends there right down the road here well let's walk down there and let's hang out with them okay whatever well is a is a group of guys and I will say she she took more she she like hanging out with guys more than she did girls but she was a a tomboy in that sense. So we went down there and she's like, this is this, this and that, and this is this. You know, there's four guys plus the X,

D. And of course, like I said, you know, I was cocky back in, so I was, you know. And there's this one, like the rest of them were okay with me, but there's just one in particular guy. He was It was, he's younger than me, but he's like six foot.

And, you know, 16 year old, just having your license, like, you know, you're still, you're, you're either growing or you're done, you know. And I had to look up to this guy. Like, I mean, he was scrawny. He was smaller than you, but he, he was tall. And he did not like me. And he gave me all the vibes that he did not like me. And so I kept looking at him, and he'd look at me, and I had a few, I mean, we went back and forth. And, of course, I was pretty savage back then.

I'm not as nice and quiet as I am now. But so we had a few smart-ass remarks. And, of course, I won the argument. And he was coming at me. He was going to get me. I was like, well, I guess I'm getting punched today. like, you know. And D,

D, jumped in front of him and stopped him. He's like, hey, man, you don't want to do this. Don't even. And my girlfriend at the time, she was, like, standing beside me, like, she was ready to attack, attack him too. And I was just like, why is everybody getting so defensive? Like, you know, if he's going to punch me, then he can go ahead and punch me. And then I'll punch him back because I'm almost. Positive. I can take a punch from this kid.

Like, you're just skinning bones, buddy. You might get height on me, but I'll knock your world out. Like, you'll be on the ground and you'll be as tall as me. Like, I mean, I've always been the same size most of my life. So, I mean, pretty much just envision me shorter, maybe a little. Less facial hair. Less facial hair. And, you know, just as much as me as I am here, you know.

So anyways, well. he he jumps in front of him and he's like you don't want to do this don't you need to back off and he's like well he he and he's like you need to back off and he's like why are you why are you protecting him and he's like it doesn't it doesn't matter you need to back off and and so he walks off he goes back to his um interesting he goes back to his um i don't know what that sound was so i don't i don't know either. Like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's the weird part. We've had weird things in the building.

Don't worry. Okay. It's paranormal. I mean, when the lights flickered early, I know. I was just like, I looked at Jack to make sure everything was still recording. So go ahead. That's why I'd kind of slowed down. So anyways, he went back to his little group and, you know, my, uh, D looked back at me.

He's like, let's go. Let's get out of here. They're, they're by hurt over something. And my girlfriend was like, yeah, let's, let's, let's, let's, go. And I'm like, okay. I said, did I, you know, as we were walking back, we got away from him. I was like, did I piss him off? He goes, I don't know if it was truly just you pissing him off or if it was just her. And I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, he goes, you dating her is making him mad. And I said, why is he like her? And he goes, well, I don't know if it's more of a like or. or if he's just trying to protect her. And I said, what do you mean, Dee? Like, we, what are you hinting at here?

He's like, well, man, we'll just have to talk about a different day. I said, okay, you know, just don't forget about it. I want to know. Like, I'm nosy. I'm sorry. I'm real nosy. And, you know, if somebody has a wreck, two houses down for me, I am going to go out and vacuum my yard. Like, it's going to happen.

So, like, that's how nosy. Like, I'm not going to get in your face and, like, jump and look at what's on your computer and stuff. No, I don't care about that. But if I see your facial expression change, then I'm going to be like, why? So anyways, we go back to her house. D leaves. You know, I say goodbye. And she looks at me and goes, when you walk in your house, tell me your home.

tell me you're home. And I said, okay, whatever, okay. And so I get home, which I, with the way I was back then, I was a speed demon, the way, so which I would time it how fast I could get home. And it is like 14 miles, not straight either. Like, there's a bunch of curves, the few 90s, stuff like that. It's about 14 miles. I could get home in nine minutes.

Oh, yeah, you were driving fast. Yeah. You were driving fast, real fast. Yeah. Like, I'd, I've always been like a speed demon all together. But, like, I was pushing an old truck to its limits back then. I'd had, I mean, there's a few hills that you couldn't hill hop even if, like, even if you're really trying.

And I was really, really trying. and I could hill hop them. So anyways, well, you know, like I said, so when it came to curfew, like, oh, yeah, 940, oh, yeah, I could make it home. I could definitely get home in time, you know. And so I would, I got home and I was like, well, I'm not going to make her mad this time. So before I even stepped out of my truck, I was like, I'm home. And she's like, you're still on your truck.

Hmm. Well, yeah, but I'm home. okay, well, text me when you get in the house. That's right, she said when you walk through the door, right? Yeah. I was like, well, I'm heading there now. And so then I just went ahead and called her. And, of course, my parents had like a keypad or whatever.

So, like, she answered the phone, and she heard my parents' keypad going. And she's like, okay, you're walking in the house. And I said, yeah. And she's like, the door's locked behind you. The garage is shut. I'm like, yeah. shoot, okay, cool. And I was like, why?

And she's like, oh, I just want to make sure you're making a safe. We talked for a little bit. And, you know, she just was like, I was like, oh, you know, you care about me or whatever. And she's like, yeah, so go bed. I'll see you tomorrow or something like that. I'm like, okay. So, you know, go bed. Sunday morning comes up.

I go back over there after church. And we go, we get down. I get down there and I said, what were we doing today? She goes, I don't know, what you want to do? You want to watch a movie? What you want to do? And we watched a lot of movies. Like, she was a homebody.

She would rather be in the house hanging out than she would outside. And so after church went over there. And there's, like I said, there's a lot of nights that we just, or days that we watched movies, we'd walk around her little trailer park area or go see or hang out with D. And over the time, I actually became better friends with D. And she made it very clear that, you know, they were friends or not more. Well, you know, that you always have that spot in the back of your head that, you know, you will take the chance if you get it.

And well, anyways. So then after a while of us hanging out with D and doing random things throughout the day as 16 year old kids and 15 year old kids would do, she finally came out and she said, I didn't tell you one secret. I said, okay, I mean, I've told you everything. Why are you holding back?

And she looked at me and she goes, D is one of us too. And I said, what do you mean one of us? And she said, D's like him. He's like it. And I said, so, okay. What are you? And it kind of, you know, like I'm doing now,

you kind of left me speechless at the time. It's like, how is he like him? Like, you know, I mean, what, how are you supposed to look into that? And she's like, he is. And he actually, she said, he's like the leader of my group. And I said, well, there's no way that he gave you the okay to actually date me. If you guys are a big group and your likens.

And she said, he didn't. You're right. And that's why he's been coming over. And I said, so he came over or he's been coming over. to see if I'm good enough to date you. And she said, yeah, pretty much. And, you know, and I was like, okay, well, that's, I mean, that's kind of weird, you know, and big brother stance right there.

And I was like, but you dated him. And she's like, well, yeah. And, I mean, I can't say that he's not totally over me. And that's probably another reason. But I said, okay. Well, you know, shortly after he showed up again. again and I looked him over. You know, I, you know, I'm sure every guy does it once or twice, you know, I could take

this mother. Like, you know, and so, you know, I looked him over and I'm like, there ain't no way this dude is what she says he is. And I, so I walked up to him. I said, so are you? And he goes, what's that? And I said, are you liking? He goes, she told you.

I said, yeah. And he goes, she's not supposed to tell you. she's not supposed to tell you anything. And I was like, well, bud, she told me a whole spill. And you, sir, are just confirming a lot of it. And he goes, shit. And I look at him and I said, I don't give a shit what you are, bud. Like, you know, why are you lying to me?

And he goes, his man, I thought for sure, like you would not be back if you knew who I was. I was like, you can change, bro. Like, who cares? I just wish I had some of that strength, I guess. Like, you know, and he's like, yeah, he said, yeah, you can't. He said, that's, it's, that's the thing. Like, you can't. I said, okay. And then I said, okay, okay. Now, the other day with that group of people, he goes, yeah, I said, what was the deal? He said, dude, you're dating a lichen, and those are likens. I said, every one of them. He goes, yeah.

He said, honestly, I thought I made it clear to all of them that, you know, you're cool and that, you know, not to worry and not don't get mad and stuff. And, you know, be cool. He said, all of them listened except for, I can't even think of his name, but all of them listened, but except for a tall dude. And he is very upset that you're dating her because she is liking and you are not. And I said, so what happened? He goes, well, I had to take care of business. I said, what do you mean by that? He goes, you aren't going to have to worry about him no more.

And I don't know, you know, a 16-year-old, I was just like, all right, well, he kicked his ass. Like, that's initially what happened. But at the end of the day, you know, I've been, I'm 30 now. And I can't ever tell you if I've ever seen him again. Like, I might have seen him once, but I mean, it's been so long. Like, he literally told me, though, he's like, you won't have to worry about him again. And I was just like, so he kicked his ass. Okay, cool.

You know, thanks, bud. You know, I was going to kick his ass, but I mean, if you wanted to, I guess, whatever. Still living underneath that delusion that you're going to kick a. Yeah. He might reach his hand out and hold me back, but you know what? I'll kick him legs. String beam. Yeah.

But so I was just, you know, back then, you know, cool. You know, you did what you had to do, I guess, whatever. And I said, so it's real. You guys are liking. So he goes, oh, yeah, yeah. I said, like, prove it to me. And he's like, but I can't. I can't prove.

I mean, there ain't no way I can prove that to you. And I said, well, how do you expect me to believe it? He goes, I mean, he goes, honestly, if my higher-ups knew that you knew about me, we'd both be killed. I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, I mean, it's easier to take care of a kid that goes missing and somebody that, you know, as part of the group that can easily be erased than having a kid go out and explain this whole situation to everybody. And, you know, like I said, I had, you know, I was worried about it from the get-go talking to you about it. And it's just like, and you can kind of see what I mean by that.

But so, you know, after 15 years, it's kind of like, well, it happens, it happens, you know. But, you know, and back then, you know, he's straight up for it. Then he goes, you know, it wouldn't be hard for a family to disappear. And I was like, point proven. Okay. he goes, but he goes, I trust you. And she trusts you a lot. And, you know, we could always pass it off that you're just crazy.

So whatever. And so, you know, that was kind of like the silent hint. Like if you screw up, it's you. Yeah. So, but anyways, so I was just like, well, you still need to prove this to me. Like, you need to do something, you know. you got to show me something. And I was like, I said, you got super strength, right?

He goes, well, yeah, but I mean, I'm not going to sit here. And I was like, okay, well, I was like, you should totally pick up this car, or at least the front of it or the back or something. Like, you should do something. And he's like, no. He's like, no, I'm not. And we were doing something. And, you know, that, that kind of ended there, you know.

We hung out and stuff and nothing else really happened. And we, I don't know, it was like a day or two later. And we started hanging back out again. And I was doing something underneath my dad's envoy he had at the time. Like, I drove the envoy over there because that sucker was a luxury and a badass right all at the same time. and so anyways, I drove at over there, and we crawled up under it, or at least I tried to, but it set lower. It had step bars and everything, and I couldn't get under it very well.

But I was trying to, I don't remember now, I was trying to hook up something underneath that fell, that gotten loose or something. And I had heard house, and I didn't have a jack or nothing. And so I was, I crawled up under it, and I was trying to mess, or I was trying to, or I was trying to crawl up under it and trying to mess with this thing. And he comes over and he's like, hey man, what are you doing? And I said, oh, you know, such and such came loose underneath. I'm trying to reach it. I can't reach it.

And he's like, oh, I got you. And he looked up underneath there. And he's like, that thing? I said, yeah, yeah. And he goes, and what are you need? And I told him what I needed to do with it. And he, you know, grabs the front end and slides himself underneath the front of it. and I couldn't do that.

So I was just kind of like, and he, I mean, he wasn't much smaller than me, but he's like a little bit bigger than you. Like, you know, it was like the nowadays the glorified dad bought or whatever you call it. So, you know, I was just kind of like, huh, how did he get under there so easily, you know? I mean, he's got shoulders like me. He's broad-shouldered and stuff. Well, he gets under there and he, you know, does. what I needed to do.

And then I see the truck kind of raise a little bit. And he kind of scooted himself out. And I'm like, hmm, not like, you know, came off the ground or anything. But, you know, 16 year old, 18 year old, you're not going to pick up a front of a truck very easily. You know, you got to have a lot of muscle to make it flex upward. You know, that's, you know, that's almost 3,000 pounds. Yeah, especially the front. Yeah.

And so I've seen it flex upward a little bit, and then he slides himself out. He goes, I almost got stuck. And I said, really? You? How? And, you know, we just kind of laughed it off. But looking back on it, it's like,

he did show me that he had some extra strength that he couldn't show me. You know? And so, yeah, so that happened. but then so we ended up our relationship kind of grew. Him and me kind of grew as a friendship. He'd tell me all kinds of random things about them. And, you know, I was still kind of on the fence over it. And then she started out.

acting different. Not as far as like towards our relationship or liking me and stuff like that. She just started acting different about the outside world or around us. And, you know, it kind of goes back to, you know, let me know when you get home. Make sure you make it in the house or the doors locked. Stuff like that. And so I started, you know, she kept, you know, every night and every time I went home from her house, are you home? There's the doors locked. Yes, I'm home. What are you asking? You know I'm home. You know, obviously you wouldn't be texting me and knowing what time I got home. Because she had it down too. She knew I could get home pretty quick. And I said, one night we were sitting there talking and I was like, you've already laid out your whole spill to me. And I've laid out all mine. I said, why do you ask when I'm home? And she said, so nobody gets you. I said, what do you mean? Nobody. gets me. I said, I'm literally in my car 90% of the time, or my truck. And I said, and, you know, she's like, well, just in case you don't have a wreck or anything. I said, if a deer runs out in

front of me, I'm running that sucker over. Like, I got a brush guard on the front of this truck. Like, they ain't nothing that's slowing me down. And she goes, oh, yeah, yeah, well, I'm not worried about stuff that slows you down. I'm worried about stuff that picks you up and takes you. I said, What? And she goes, your truck weighs a lot, yes. But you don't. And I said, okay, what are you getting at here? And she said, well, D already told you that, that, you know, you're not supposed to know this stuff.

She said, I heard you. I heard you guys talking. I said, how'd you? hear that? You were inside. I was outside. But anyways, well, she's like, well, you're not, you're not supposed to know this stuff. So if he knows and I know, then more people could know. And she said, I don't fully trust him to know. And since he does know, since you had to talk to him about it, I want to make sure you get home. And I said, you don't trust him?

And she said, no, not at all. And this is when I actually learned that he was her higher up. Like, she's like, she's like, I'm a boss over like five people. He's the boss over me in five other groups. And I was like, how many are there of you? And she goes, well, there's some here. And I said here, she goes, southern Indiana. There's some here.

there's some over in Evansville, there's some over here, but next to Louisville. She said, and then you got the northern people. And she said, I said, well, you mean northern? She goes, Bloomington. She said, they're up in Bloomington. I said, so I could, you know, I said, so I could just go to a gas station, run into one and not even know it?

She goes, oh, yeah. They run gas stations. They're in politics. They're, you know, principles. They're, she said, we've even. had one president. I said, who? She didn't tell me. I wish I would know now. I mean, granted,

then, you know, that would be a big story all on its own. But she said, we've even had a president. And I said, there ain't no way. And, you know, me being me, I go back and look in the, looking, well, we didn't have a phone. So I go back in like a book, a president book, you know, had all the presidents in it. And I'm sitting here, like, glancing through presidents and like, no, you don't look like the type.

And I couldn't tell you which, but she didn't want to tell me either. And she didn't tell me a whole, whole lot about all that. But she said, and she said, and there's some in Tennessee. She said there's Louisiana. She said, North Carolina. She said, they like the summer. They like the heat. Or we like the heat.

We like the cold. Let me just take a pause here for a second. Just with that information, we've been having a lot of upright walking dog sightings in this area the last couple weeks. And it's hot out right now. It's interesting. Yeah. It's just interesting. Well, she said, and, you know, part of the time I dated her was in the winter.

So, you know, when she said that, you know, I was just kind of like, well, you know, I don't see how a dog would like the heat as much as would the winter. And because, you know, all the dogs I've ever owned, they have big old fur coats and, you know, they're dying in the summer, you know. And so I'm sitting there, you know, well, why do you like the heat so much? And she's like, we move easier. We have, you know, things don't hurt as bad. And I was like, you mean like getting stabbed shot, stuff like that? She goes, oh, no, we don't get stabbed or shot. You kidding me?

I said, well, what do you, how you die then? Like, and she's like, well, we, we, if we got stabbed, we'd end up dying, yes. But the chances are for you to stab me or shoot me are very slim. I said, challenge accepted. Like, I'm, I'm going to stab you with like a needle or something, see if you, see what happens, you know. Like, I'm not going to kill you, but, like, I'm going to see if I'm fat. You know, so, like, there's a lot of challenges accepted in that relationship because I just was like, I'm going to get you. Like, it's going to happen.

You're either going to move quicker than me or you're not. And there's, like I said, there's a lot of challenges. But so I said, so, what other places? I said, are you guys in Florida? And she said, oh, no, no, no. If we go to Florida, it's strictly for business. And she said, we don't, we don't, it's hot and everything down there, yes, but there's not enough coverage for us. Like, we can hide, don't get us wrong, but we don't typically want to go to a state like that.

And I was like, that's kind of weird. And she goes, she goes, now are there some of us that are in cold weather? Yes. But, you know, that's because they chose it. And a lot of us, we don't like cold weather. And I said, well, what do you mean? She goes, well, you know, we have some people up towards Canada and stuff. We have, you know, they're kind of, she, what?

she basically said is they were stragglers. They didn't really have nothing to do with the group or the community of Likens. They just kind of like didn't want to move or if they called them, they would come down. But other than wise, you know, they're not moving. It's kind of loners. Yeah. She said, and she said, and those are the ones that you need to worry about. She said, yeah, she said, if people see us, yes.

Like, you know, they're all worried they get pictures or they, they are trying to get pictures. And or they, you know, they're worried that we're going to kill them or something like that. She goes, honestly, we're not going to touch you. Unless you, unless you run over one of us and kill us, she said, we don't really give a shit about you. I was like, well, thanks, you know. I'm your boyfriend. Calm down now. And she's like, well, not you.

Like, if somebody killed you, I'd be after him. I'd kill them. And I was like, oh, you know, I'm, this is a weird relationship. I know, it really was. And I was like, oh, it's so nice. You'd actually revenge me. And she goes, yeah, I would because I like you. And I was like, okay, you know, whatever.

And I was like, well, I'd do the same for you too, you know, acting like a hard ass like I was. And she's like, yeah, but you wouldn't get away with it. And I said, well, probably not, but you probably wouldn't either. And she goes, oh, yeah, it wouldn't be hard to get rid of somebody. I was like, now that's two people that's told me this. Okay, whatever. Well, and she was like, well, now that you know that, don't be dumb. Don't be stupid.

Actually think about the stuff you're about to do. and she was like, I'm always going to keep an eye on you no matter, like, while we're dating, no matter what. You know, like, there's always going to be an eye on you because I don't need you getting hurt. And I was like, well, I mean, I'm not going to get hurt. I mean, I literally just drive over here after school and stuff.

I got a pretty boring life. Like, leave me alone, bud. So anyways, So after that, you know, we were talking about it. And like I said, you know, they're all over the place pretty much. She said there's a lot of them in the politics area just to make sure their interest is go the right way. Their interests go the right way on some stuff. She said, but right now, she said there's a whole big bunch of us in.

Tennessee. And I said, really? And she goes, yeah, it's northern Tennessee. And I said, why? And she goes, well, we, you know, we try and keep them, keep everybody around each other. But that's a whole different, like, I don't know what you'd call that, a whole different gang or group or whatever you want to call it. And I was like, what do you mean? She goes, well, we don't associate with them. They're, we try, and stay under the radar. Like if somebody sees a picture of us, you know, that's just a joke. That's not real. If somebody hits us, the whole family disappears, you know, nobody's seen us.

And stuff like that. And she's like, so, but in Tennessee, she said, we've been in an all-out war with. And I said, well, why are you in a war with yourselves? And she said, well, it all started with a human seeing one of us, and he killed one of us. And so they retell you. And I came and talk about it. Retaliate. There you go.

They fought back against them and killed his family. The human? Yeah. Okay. And this was 14 years ago? Yeah. Okay. And I don't know if you'll ever find anything on it.

Yeah. It had to probably all covered up. A real hard, hard layer of it covered up. But anyway, she said, well, they retaliate, they, I can't even say it. They talk, they attack back, right? And she said, we didn't agree with that. We didn't, we don't want any, we don't want to be in a war. We don't even, we like being by ourselves without people noticing us, you know.

and so, you know, we get stuff done in the shadows, and, you know, so nobody sees us, but we take care of things that need to be taken care of, and nobody will look at us, you know? And she said, but they didn't want to do that. They didn't want to shrug it off. They wanted to take out the whole family, and they only got most of it. And she said, so we were fighting over the last of that family. We basically were like, we stepped in and stopped them from killing everybody else in that family and told them that they needed to quit and that, you know, they're going to start an all-out war. And so she said, yes, we don't agree with, you know, humans killing us and everything.

But in our eyes, you killed that person's family. You know, you didn't kill everybody. You didn't kill like, I don't know. think it was like the grandparents and grandchildren or something like that. Like there's there's like four or five different members still left or something like that. And she's like, you know, they didn't have nothing to do with it. You know, you killed the person and his little family. So the rest of them should be pardoned because he only killed one of them, one of us.

So, you know. And so they were. were having a all out war over it. Well, I heard, you know, she told me about that. And I was just like, well, you know, that's kind of interesting. And I was just kind of like, you know, whatever. And I didn't, you know, honestly, I mean, it's a story you're telling me, you know, just like I'm telling you. Like, I didn't see it. So, I mean, I'm just listening to a crazy girl telling me a story, you know. I mean, I'm still not totally convinced that you're one of these. things and I'm still dating you so I'm just going to keep everything smooth sailing and keep going

you know and so like I said you know she's been more alert she seemed more alert after that after a few weeks or whatever and she's seen more and more she kept getting more and more alert like every time we'd go somewhere she'd like glance off and like sharply turn her head and look at things and I started, you know, and we were going places. We went up to my parents' house. We went over to town or we went over and got something to eat and everything. And she, I'd see her like, you know, sharply turn her head to a certain way. I'm like, what are you doing?

She goes, I'm watching them. I said, what do you mean watching them? She said, we have a detail. We get people following us. I said, good people or bad people? She goes, oh, they're my group. They're good people. I said, oh, okay.

And she goes, yeah, they're following us just in case if somebody comes and gets us or tries to get us. I said, cool. Okay. And I said, so how fast they go? And she goes, well, they're keeping up with you. And I'm sitting here doing like 50 on the road, 50, 55. And I'm like, there ain't no way they're following you. She's like, yeah, they're right there.

And I'm like, you're lying. There's no possible way that a person, our legs, could run that fast. They're not taller. We're 16 years old. They're not, there can't be much older than us if they are or younger. There's no way. And as I'm saying that, she looks back at me and starts laughing. And I said, what are you laughing about?

She goes, oh, he's making a face mimicking you. I said, what do you mean? He's making a face mimicking me. And I said, there ain't nobody over there. And, you know, it is like an open field. And I was like, there's nobody over there. She goes, well, they're on the tree line. I said, how can he see me talking or even hear me talking?

And she goes, duh, super strength, super hearing, you know, eyesight, all that. I said, that tree line is. over 30 yards away. Like, how good is the hearing? She goes, oh, I could, if we set up on the, if we stood up on the fire tower, and I just sat there and listened, I could hear what they're talking about, or, you know, vaguely hear what they're talking about in Tennessee.

She said, as long as I got a clear path, I could hear what, you know, I could hear your heartbeat from my house. I said, you're shutting me. And she goes, no. I know, I know when you get excited. I know when you're upset. I know a lot of things. Why do you think?

I ask you if you're in the house. I said, because you know what time I get home? Like, you know. And she goes, well, they're following us. There's one on both side of us. And right now the other one's making fun of you right now. And I was like, what? And I looked out the other.

window and she's like oh no he moved again and i was like you i started cussing him i was like you mother and and she's like well she goes you can cuss them all you want but you know they're not going to let you see them i was like so it's playing where's waldo then where i'm going to win this i've won the books i'm going to win this one and she's like that is not how that works i said nope they they are they started this i'm finishing it i'm going to win and they and she goes oh my god What am I dating? And I was like, I was like, well, if they're not going to show me themselves, I'm going to see them. It's going to happen.

Well, shortly after I said that, we got into like some trees on both sides. And I felt the truck kind of like nudge. Like it's getting pushed. It got nudged in the side and the back a little bit, like the truck kind of rocked, almost like you hit a pothole. But the road was smooth. and then I felt it kind of jerked forward like it got shoved in the back. And I was like, what the hell? You know, like, what is?

There's nothing behind me. Not nothing normal is going to push this truck. I mean, let me clarify this. It's an 88 Chevy Silverado, long bed, full-wheel drive. That's a big heavy truck. Yeah. Extended cab long-bed, full-wheel drive truck. that sucker, when I'd scrap with it and I'd haul a ton in the bed of it.

And when I'd roll back across the scales, from my toolbox to everything I had in the truck, it weighed 9,000 pounds. And a lot of people's like, oh, that's bullshit. They don't weigh that much. Let me tell you, my toolbox had like seven different log chains in it. Like, that sucker weighed enough to make that truck way enough. But anyways, well, so I got shoved around. And I was like, what was that?

And she goes, well, they want you to know that they're real. And I said, so you're telling me they just show this. And she goes, oh, yeah. She said they could make it, you know, really spin around if you want. And I was like, no, I don't really want to do a 180 in the road. You know, I don't want to lose control. She goes, oh, no, they'll catch you. And I'm like, yeah, that just doesn't sound appealing to me, you know.

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And we're coming into town. And that, well, I skipped a little bit on that. I took her home that night. And then the next day I drove a, my mom's blazer is a 94 S-10 blazer. Right. Light as can be spin around on a dime. You could put a dime down. That sucker would spin right back around on it.

So anyways, it was a holiday, so I didn't have school. I picked her up and I was going through town and that conversation carried over today. Like we just kind of like stopped talking about it because she veered off and we started talking about more intimate things. So, well, you know, me being nosy, like I said, I brought it back. back. And I said, so are they following us again? She said, oh, yeah, yeah, they're going to follow us for a while, because we need to make sure that, you know, you don't get taken and we need to make sure I don't get hurt. And I said, why? Like, what? And she goes, they're in the state. The, the Tennisys are in our state, and they are looking for us, me and you. I said,

what do you mean us? And I said, I didn't even do anything. And she said, yeah, that's true. You haven't done anything. But if they know that they, she said, they don't know we're dating, but they know that I've been hanging out with you. And she said, they would consider you as my puppet, basically. And so they would, they want to take you to hurt me, even if it does kill you. I'm like, so they're trying to make you feel pain by trying to take me?

And she said, yeah. I said, well, that's kind of interesting. So they're going to be following us for a long time then. And she's like, yeah. And I was like, okay, well, then how do they know where we're going? And she goes, well, I wouldn't say they can read your mind, but it's more like they can feel what you're about to do. I was like, what does that even mean?

Like, what, you know, what are you talking about? You know, they're not psychic. And she goes, no, they're not psychic. She said, they can read your facial expressions and your body language to know what you're about to do. And I said, so basically, I'm thinking about going this way. And she said, and they're already turning that way. They're already cutting, cutting the line.

you know, cutting through the trees to meet you on the other side. I was like, huh. And there's nobody around me. And I just looked at it and I was like, really? And she goes, yeah. And I just grabbed the wheel and yanked it and spun that little blazer around and started going back the other way. And she just immediately turned her head and like went behind us and looked behind us.

She goes, oh, you really screwed them up there. And I said, ha, they can't read my mind. And, you know, I was, like I said, I was savage back then. So I was like doing anything I could to prove them wrong. And I was like, ha, you didn't know where that was coming. She goes, yeah, you definitely up in their guard a little bit on you now because they did not expect that one. And I was like, damn it, now what am I going to do to change them up? And I said, see, it's a good thing I'm around because, you know, if I wasn't, they wouldn't have known, you know, they're going to have to up in the guard, you know.

And she just started laughing. And she said, they're flicking you off right now, just saying. And I was like, eh, I probably deserved it. And so then I spun back around. She goes, they knew you're going to do that one this time. And we went where we were going. And, well, we had, you know, whatever we did that day, we pretty much was nothing special. And I dropped her off.

And she goes, I'm going to send them back with you. I said, what do you mean, send them back? And she goes, they're going to follow you home, and they're going to wait outside tonight until the other two get up in the morning and then they'll switch out. And they're going to keep an eye on you. I said, I'm not, I don't need babysitters. Like, what do you mean? And she goes, you're not even going to know they're there. You're not.

And I said, well, now that makes it more difficult because now I'm going to be looking for them. And she goes, well, you might as well not because you won't. You won't find them. And I was like that, you know, a challenge accepted again. And so I drove home, you know, looking both ways, you know, seeing if I can see them through clearings and stuff and random things. And I could almost swear one was surfing in the back of my truck at one point in time on the way home that night. Like, I didn't see it, but I heard some noises and the truck was loud on its own,

so it wouldn't surprise me if there was one surfing. And the wild part about it was, is, you know, I didn't see it. I didn't, I couldn't, I could tell you that, you know, I felt like something was there, but I could never verify if it really was. And I got home and she said, they're having a lot of fun with you. I said, what do you mean? And she goes, well, they were messing with you all the way home.

I said, how you mean they're messing with me? She goes, well, they said that you were looking both ways trying to find them the whole time. And one of them was on top of the truck. And the other one was in the back. of the truck. And I said, so I had a feeling that one of them was actually surfing in the back of my truck and I was right. And she's like, well, I don't know if he is surfing or not, but he was back there and he was flicking you off and making funny faces at you and stuff.

Because my back window was actually tinted in the truck. So like at dark, at nighttime, unless I hit, well, I didn't even have a cab light. So I couldn't see in the back of the truck at all, even if I hit the brakes or reverse lights or anything. So, and again, you know, I'm 16. We don't have the technology we did then. And so I was just like, so I was like, so they wrote, they had a free ride on the back of my truck. And she goes, yeah, for the most part. I mean, they, they hopped off towards the end.

But I was like, I'm like, I was like, you guys owe me get. And I was screaming out the one. window. I was like, you owe me gas money because I was just, she called me, and I didn't take a lot of calls in the truck because it was so loud, but she called me as I was pulling onto my road. And so I was like, and I was like almost past curfew too. So I was trying to like idle up because my parents are already asleep. And and so yeah, I looked out the window. And of course, my neighbors, like I said, are all my family at the time. And they're older than me. So they're not, they're going to hear my truck, but not me yell. And I looked out, I rolled, my window was down. So I looked out the window and looked up in the air. I said, you guys owe me money. And she just, yeah, I hear her laughing over the phone. And she goes, like, they're going to give you any money.

Like, and I said, well, that's, that's bull crap. They ought to because I gave them a ride. And she goes, yeah, they're not going to. And so then she goes, she goes, you're, are you home? And I said, yeah. and she said, all right, well, they're outside your house. They're keeping an eye on it.

You know, and everything. I said, well, what do they look like? And she goes, well, one's, you know, I can't really describe you. Like, one's tall and one's short. Like, I can't really tell you what they look like. I don't know why you're going to try and find them. I said, oh, you're already way too late on that. Like, I'm out my window looking at them.

And my house, my mom and dad's house is a two-story house. So I had the front room of the two-story that faced the road. And I said, you're already too late. I'm looking for them right now. Like, where they look like. And she goes, you're not going to find them. And I said, well, here's where you're wrong. And she goes, what do you mean?

I said, well, there's a shiny thing. in the tree across from road for me. I said, I've lived here for 15, 16 years now. I said, I've always looked out this window before I went to bed because when I was younger, I was always afraid somebody had climbed into that window. And God forbid if they ever did, because that would be a horrible way to get into that house. But I said, so I've always looked out this window. And there is a pine tree across the road that has this nice branch on it.

And that branch has never had a shiny thing in it. And she goes, huh. I said, is one of them a girl? And she goes, they're not supposed to be wearing jewelry. And I said, it is a girl. And she goes, yes, okay, yes. But they're not supposed to be wearing jewelry. I said, well, I won this game.

You lost. Like, I found where's Waldo? Like, I don't even care about the other one. Like, I found you. And she goes, you need to turn around for a minute. I said, yeah, right. I found a shiny. She's going to show herself because, like, I'm not.

And she goes, turn around. I said, I said, why? And she goes, well, you'll get it here a minute, turn around. And I was like, okay. So I turned around. And she goes, all right, you can turn back. And like, split second. Like, I just turn around, turn around, you know.

And so I turned around, turn back around. And I look back outside and the shiny's gone. Like there's no shiny. And I was like, where'd the shiny go? And, you know, I sound like a kid saying this. But, you know, if you're ever in that moment and you see a shiny thing that's never been there before, you're just like, how dare you take the shiny? Like, and so, you know, I was like, where'd the shiny? And she goes, oh, that, she got replaced.

And I said, what do you mean? I just found her. And she goes, yeah, that was the point. You're not supposed to find her for one. And she's not supposed to have jewelry on. So you got a new person watching you. I said, well, that is some bullshit. Like, I was so mad.

I was like, I just found her. And you're telling me you're replacing them. And she goes, well, I mean, that's just how it's got to be. I said, well, that, I mean, that's some real bullshit. And I said, so now who is it? And she goes, it's two dudes. He got two dudes watching you. She said, yeah, they're not happy about this either.

And they are not really happy with you either. So I would try not to provoke them, but, you know, I'm also talking to you. So obviously you will try, I guess. But just leave them alone, please. I said, well, all right, fine. I'll leave them alone. But tomorrow, I'm going to bug the shit out of them. And she's like, well, that's fine.

It'll probably be somebody different anyways. And I was like, okay, well, whatever. Well, it went to bed, woke back up the next day. And I know I said earlier in the story that I took her to my house. And I kind of jumped. I didn't take her until like after that little part there. My parents went out of town. And, you know, that's when all teenagers bring their girlfriends home.

And so they went out of town while I was watching the house. My brother's in college. So didn't have to worry about that, you know, had the whole house to myself. And I was like, hey, you won't come over? And she's like, yeah, yeah, well, sure. You know, I'd love to come over. I said, all right, cool. And she, and I said, I said, you, you know, you're going to love it.

I said, you're going to think I'm rich, but I'm not. my parents have worked hard all their life to have this house. So don't even think I'm rich. And she said, so you got a two-story with a big garage. And she goes, and you would expect me to think you're rich. And I said, yeah, but I didn't tell you no of that. And she goes, yeah, I know. I know.

And she goes, they told me. I said, you already told me they don't like me. So why would they tell you anything else? And she's like, well, you know, they tell me. everything. And I said, that's kind of, that's kind of weird. And so I go and pick her up. And we come back to the house and we pull in and she goes, oh, you live in this house. And I said, yeah, why? And she goes, I thought you lived on one of the other houses around here. I didn't know you lived on this house, or in this house.

And I said, I mean, what's wrong with this house? And she goes, there's nothing wrong with this house. I love this house. She goes, I love setting on the roof of it and stargazing because it is the best roof to stargaze off of. It's on the hill and everything. And I said, what do you mean sitting on the roof stargazing? and she goes, oh yeah, for a long time, I come up here and sit on your roof

and I'll look at the stars and stuff. I said, okay, you know, like I didn't know what to say. I was like, I mean, it is, you can sit in the driveway too in Stargaze and it looks great, like, you know. And because they have no, like, the trees are shorter than the house and stuff.

So like you can pretty much get a whole view the sky in the driveway or on, I guess, on the house. And so I was just like, okay. And then we walked in, she goes, so this is what the house looks like on the inside. Okay. And she's looking around. She goes, you know, I've vaguely looked into the rooms a little bit, but, you know, I never really got a full picture.

And she goes, and she started naming off some stuff. She goes, oh, you moved and, you know, piece of furniture, whatever. And I'm like, yeah, I moved. Mom moved that. like, you know, months ago and stuff. And she's like, oh, man, I really like that. And, and then, like, she, we'd walk past something else. She'd like, this used to be over there, didn't it?

I'm like, yeah. How do you? She said, well, I told you, I liked the star gaze off the house. I can't help to look in the house a little bit sometimes. And I said, so then, are you sure you just didn't choose me then? as far as like dating wise like you didn't just see me one day and oh no no i i was i was only here at night i didn't i didn't really pay attention to people here i always paid attention to what it looked like and i said well that's i mean i don't know i said so what you've been

telling me with people following me and stuff i said yeah i said yeah obviously i seen the shiny thing in the tree but you know that could have been a rapper or anything and blowing in the wind or whatever. And I said, so you've been telling me the truth. And she goes, well, I would I lie to you about it? I said, you've been scoping my house out for a long time then. Because some of the furniture, like, some of the things, she's like, oh, you moved and stuff. Like, some of it hadn't been there for a long time.

And so I was just, she's like, well, I. I just, I like setting on your roof and stargazing. And so I was like, so what brought you up here then? And she goes, well, the water tower. I said, what you mean the water tower? She goes, well, we had, you know, like you guys have a justice system with a court and all this stuff and jury and all that. And I said, yeah. And she goes, we do too, but a little different.

I said, we, like, how's it different? And she goes, well, instead of going to jail, you get punished. And you have so many punishments before, you know, they just off you completely. And I said, well, what about your family then? She goes, oh, they never notice again. she she didn't put it quite like that but you know that's that's how i got it like you know they'll never notice you gone again like like they're going to keep up with your social media or something i don't know but i said so how do they punish you she goes oh well you can either get whipped

with a whip on your back or you can be shoved off a building you could be hit by a car um just kind of depended on what they wanted to punish you with. And I said, have you been punished? And she goes, oh, yeah, yeah. They, I typically will piss them off every so often about doing something. And I said, so what about me then? And she goes, oh, yeah, yeah, they, they would definitely be pissed about you. And there would be a good chance that you would never see me again, like if they found out.

And I was like, well, that's interesting. And so she goes, but that'll never happen. Don't worry about it. And I was, okay, you know, she kind of shrugged it off like, you know, they're already figuring this out, but I'm going to make sure you're not going to be knowing anything about it. Well, I said, and I said, so what's that got to do with the water tire? And she goes, well, that's where we have our court. You know, that's where we come with a decision and a verdict of what's going to happen to you. And I said, so you guys stand on top of the water tower and the, you know, the leader of you all will come to a decision of what needs to happen?

She said, yeah, yep. And I said, and then what? She goes, well, then you're taken to your punishment, whether, you know, it's one thing or another. And I said, so has anybody fallen off the water tower before? She was, oh, yeah, yeah, plenty of times. I said, willingly or, you know, accidentally, not willingly. And I said, and she goes, oh, yeah, yeah, that's actually one of the punishments that will push us off the water tire. And if we live, then, you know, obviously we got really banged up because, you know, it's a water tower.

So it stands like three, four stories tall. So, yeah, we're going to hurt from it. She said, but she said, yeah, you got, we've, we've had people die and we've had people live. It's just kind of one of those things. And I was like, that's not right. Like, I would not want that punishment. Like, oh, yeah, I'm going to fall off this water tire and, you know, hopefully I live. See what happens.

Yeah. And so she told me about that. And I was like, all right, I'm done with this. Like we went in the house and did what 16 year olds do. And we, we had home and, or I took her home and she came back. I took her home. I came back. And, of course, you know, she still said I had somebody follow me.

And then shortly a lot, you know, time lapse here because there were, wasn't much going on between there. So like the next week, I went and picked her up, and we were just kind of cruising around my truck, and she said, we need to stay close to town. I said, okay. And I said, well, where do you want to go? Like, what are you want to do? And she goes, let's just hang out over here in this parking lot.

Okay, whatever. You know, there wasn't much. I mean, we live in a small town, so there really wasn't much to go on. I mean, I could do a burnout, and somebody on the other side of town would be like, oh, yeah, he's doing a burnout. And so, yeah. And so I was like, okay, yeah, we'll hang out. I mean, I could save the gas anyways.

And so we hung out, and not maybe an hour later, D shows up. And it's just like, how do you know where we're at all the time? You know, it's just, he just walks out of the woods like, oh, hey guys. And like, what are you doing? What, where'd you come from, you know? And he's, oh, yeah, I was just over at my house. And I decided to go for a walk. And now I found you guys.

And it's like, who has that motive to just leave their house and go for a walk and just show up and like, oh, hey, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's my buddies. I'll just pop in over there out of randomness. Like, who's going to walk in the woods? Like, you know. So at dusk, you know, clarify that. And so he walks up and he's like, hey, man. I said, what's going on, buddy? He goes, he said, there's a lot of stuff going on around here today.

And I said, okay, what do you, what do you mean? And he goes, well, while you got your normal human stuff that you guys do, he said there's been bunch of stuff, police cars and stuff like that. He goes, but on our side, they're in town. And by that time, you know, you're putting two and two together because I've been in it long enough. And it's like, okay, so Tennessee's in town. Okay, Tennessee ends or whatever, are in town. And I was like, what have they been doing?

He said, well, they've mainly just been kind of scoping out the place looking for something. And he goes, I don't know what they've been looking for and they won't talk to us. And I said, well, it's probably me because I tend to piss off everybody. So it's probably just me. And, you know, joking matter. And he goes, I don't think it's you, but it could be you. And I'm like, I was just joking, bro. Like, calm down.

And he goes, he goes, well, not in particular just like you. He goes, her. So you need to like keep an eye on her. Don't let her do anything stupid. I'm like, you've already told me you had super strength and all this other shit. Like, and you're going to tell me to protect her. Like, she needs to be protected me. I'm not a coward by no means.

But, you know, if I'm going to go after somebody that could whip my ass up and down the street, like somebody needs to. stop me. And so anyways, well, not even 10 minutes after that happens, some noises movement and everything happens. And like the parking lot that we're in, there's like I said, you know, D walked out of the woods. Well, there's woods in the corner. And then there's like a creek bed that goes on up.

And it's got like, I wouldn't say. say a bunch of woods or anything, but it's like bushes and brush and all kinds of like trees and random things going throughout this creek bed. And you can't see past it. You know, it's, it's almost like a privacy gate, but naturally, you know. And so we, you know, we've seen some tree limbs and brush moving and stuff. And she's sitting next to me in the truck and she perks up. I'm like, she's, like, dead on it, like, like a dog with a squirrel, you know.

And I'm, I look over it. I'm like, what's going on? And she goes, they're here. I said, where are they doing? She said, they're just staring at us right now. And I look over at Dee, and Dee's same way. He's perked up staring straight out over there. And he said, they're not going to buy it.

you. And I said, are you sure? Because you guys look pretty convincing that they're going to bother us. And he goes, yeah, they're not. Don't worry about them. Let me, let me, and he didn't even get to finish. And she darts out the truck and runs straight in the bushes. And I'm just sitting there like, all right, she's gone crazy, whatever, you know. And, and I said, well, I guess, I guess that's the end of the relationship, you know, she's crazy. I'm, I'm saying, like, there's Yeah, that could have been the squirrel. Like, I don't know what it is. And then, like, and he looked, D looks over at me and goes,

I told you to keep her in the truck, to keep her safe. And I said, what do you want me to do? Like, she just darted out. I said, wait, how am I going to stop her? I can't jump over this freaking console. Like, what you want me to do? And he goes, God. And he, you know, cussed and walked off or ran off towards the where she ran.

Well, then he jumps in the bushes. with her. And I'm like, all right, well, I'm just going to chill out here. And I'm, you know, at this point, you know, I'm like, they're obviously just shaking a bunch of bushes and tree limbs and, like, acting like they're fighting something. And I didn't think much about it. And then I see him, I see Dee, like, come back out. And he's like, don't worry, we got him. And then he turned back around and walk back in. And then, like, he just kind of ended up. He didn't come out of that spot again.

He came out behind me. Like, he moved to behind me somehow. Like, he went down the creek bed and came out the backside where he first walked from. And then she gets, I would, I don't know, know how I wouldn't I don't want to say Spartan kicked but I mean it in my mind that's what it was like you know like somebody literally Spartan kicked her out of the woods or wooded area because she she went flying back on no I mean she was off the ground and she landed on her butt and kind of rolled over up back up onto her feet and she was on all fours and was ready to charge back in I ran over there and I grabbed her I said we need to go and

and I hop back in the truck and I started taking off and I looked back in my mirror and D's not back there no more and he's gone. And she said, there's more of them. There's not just two. There's more. And I said, well, where do you want me to do? And she said, my people are behind us right now and D is back there too. but they ambushed him too when he was behind your truck while he's distracted. Like you almost got,

you almost got something from us. Like, they almost got you. And so I was like, so if I were to stay in the truck, then, and this was me talking to her later, but I was like,

so if I would have stayed in the truck, then I probably wouldn't have made it out there. And she's like, yeah, they got really close. If it wasn't for D, like having your back, you probably wouldn't be talking to me right now.

And I was like, well, that's always encouraging. But anyways, well, we start driving off. And she said, D's behind us and the rest of the group's behind us. We have two that we left. And there's three more coming. They're after us right now. And I said, so where you want me to go? She's just drive, just drive.

And so I was like, okay, well, we'll just go north. and until you tell me to stop. Like, I don't know where do you want me to go, you know? And she said, get out of town and just drive. That's all she said. And so I turned on the road and went north and was driving. And she, we made it five miles, four or five miles outside of town. And she said, what are you doing?

Stop. And I said, I'm literally doing. what you told me to. And she goes, you need to turn around now. I said, okay. You know, so I spun it into a, I spun the truck into a driveway to that went to a cornfield. And I put it in reverse and I was looking both ways.

And she said, you need to move now. And I said, I got to make sure. And she said, move. And so I stomped it in reverse. And I dropped it back. back down and I was headed south back where it was from or where it came from. And she said that was a close one. I said, what do you mean?

She said, you almost lost the front of your truck. Like you need, and she said, and she said, I said, where do you want me to go? And she said, just go back where we were. We got them. We got the other three. luckily before they got your front of your truck like we grabbed them real quick i said okay and so we went back to the town and then d just uh just walks up from nowhere and i'm like and he's you could tell he's like out of breath he's sweating like he looks rough right

looks like he got punched in the face a couple times and i was like you okay bro and he goes Oh, that was a close one. And he said, I said, well, what happened? He said, well, they, we let them go, but we made sure that they were at, we made sure they were beside the river before we let him go. Like, we pushed them back over to Kentucky. And I said, is that where you just came from? He goes, heck no, I ain't going to run all the way to the river and come back.

You kidding me? He goes, that's their job, not mine. He said, I'm just barely making it back to the parking lot. What are you mean? And I said, well, you do look rough. He goes, yeah. He goes, all to save your ass. I said, hey, man, if you had told me where to throw a punch, I would have thrown it.

I don't know if it had been effective, but, you know, I would have done it. And he goes, nah, man, he goes, he goes, they're, they're just trying to get to you to get to her, to get to me, to, you know, pretty much go up the chain. Like, and he goes, it's just, it's not going to happen. I was like, okay, whatever. Well, then, you know, I said, so are we good now? He goes, yeah, they're not going to attack again tonight. They're not going to come after us. And so, you know, we hung out a little bit longer.

And then I took her home and then I went home. Of course, I had a detail with me again. And she was like, she's like, okay, well, the elders found. out. I said, the next morning she told me this. And I said, what do you mean? The elders found out. And she goes, about us. They know that I'm dating a human. They know that you're dating and liking. And I said, okay. So what? She said, she said, well, at first I said, well, how'd they find out? She goes, well, the, when they came after us last night, attacked us, the, the people from 10, Tennessee, she said, that's how they found out, because they sensed that there's people from Tennessee, and they were attacking us, so they sent scouts out and scouts seen us.

And I said, okay. And she goes, I didn't catch any, any, you know, body scouting us. So I don't know, you know, how exactly they found us, but they did. And I said, okay, so now what? She goes, well, I'm going to trial. I said, okay, you know, I'm just, I don't know what she's, you know, talking about. She's like, I'm going to trial. And I said, for what?

She goes, dating you. I'm, they're going to punish me for dating you, even though they told me all I had to do was break up with you. And I wouldn't get punished, but I'm not going to do that. I like you a lot. And so they're going to punish me for it. And she said, she said, D is the. the judge. And I was like, so how's that going to go? She goes, well, he can't, he can't just sway to one side to affect the outcome of what my punishment is. So we will have to find out.

Well, that next week, after that, my family went to Florida, me and my parents and my brother and all of us went to Florida. And she, I said, so what are we going to? to do and she goes, I'm going to send somebody with you. They're going to go and hang out with you down in Florida. You won't see them. You won't know about them. Even if you do see them, you won't know them who they are or anything. I said, well, how are they going to get through Tennessee and stuff? And she said, we have clearance. You know, we have clearance to go through the states. We just don't have clearance to do anything in the states. So like if you stopped in Tennessee and the guy that's watching you see something.

somebody that he needs to take care of while, you know, you're heading to Florida, he's not allowed to touch him. He's got to leave them alone and keep following you. We have to have special clearances to go on other states and take care of people. And I was like, oh, okay. So then the the five guys that came and attacked us, then they're not, you know, being taken care of. And she goes, oh yeah they they're getting tried actually tomorrow about all this and i was like oh okay and she said don't worry they'll be taken care of and and so i said okay so you're going to send one with me not too and she goes i can't send them all with you because they have to be at the trial so you only get one and i said okay whatever you know i'm going to play where's waldo since it's florida and it's a

whole new map you know and and and people are like you're you're freaking weird you know that it's Like, well, you know, you got a past time. And so anyway, so I get down there and she's telling me, you know, what's going on and everything. It's dusk. It's probably, I think it was Wednesday. It's a Wednesday. And it's dusk and I'm on the beach. And, you know, I'm sitting there like looking around like, oh, no, that guy's not it.

And, oh, no, he's too underdressed to actually come after me. And, oh, that guy's, he's fully dressed. He's on the beach. That's kind of weird. And, you know, I just sitting there glancing at people like, which one of you? Because she just telling me, she's like, he's really close to you, but you're never going to find him. And it's like, I need to figure out which one of these people is the one that's watching me. And, well, anyways, it got dusk.

And everybody started disappearing, you know, from the beach and, you know, going home and stuff. And I kind of hung out a little bit longer to see if, you know, if there's any other people hanging out. And I said, are you sure there's somebody following me? Because I don't see nobody. And she goes, she goes, well, they brought him back. He had to come back. So he's already left you. He's in Georgia right now.

He's on his way back. I said, what happened? And she said, oh, they decided on my punishment. and he has to be here for it. So, I said, so what's that mean? She goes, well, if you get a phone call tomorrow, then it's a good thing. If you don't, then, well, nice knowing you. She was very straightforward.

I mean, she, when I say she is crazy, like, she was straightforward to everything. She didn't care, you know, if she was dying tomorrow, she'd be like, nice knowing you, have good life, you know, it's great to seeing you, you know, type of deal. And so, you know, that's pretty much what she said to me. She's like, nice knowing you and, you know, everything. I said, well, what's your punishment? And she said, they're going to push me off the water tire. I said, okay, will you survive?

Won't you survive? She goes, oh, yeah, most likely, unless I land in the wrong spot, I'll survive. I'll be fine. But I'm going to be really sore for the next few weeks. and I was like, I'm pretty sure like a normal person would die from this. And she's like, yeah, but I'm not normal. And I'm like, you're right about that. So anyways, well, so, you know, 16 year old, 17 year old me, my girlfriend's getting pushed off a water tire.

I'm sitting there like, oh, God, I hope she's okay, you know. So I'm sitting there tooth and nails all the way up to the next day. and I get a phone call. Like she waited the whole day. The phone call me. And I was like, why did you wait so long? And she goes, well, I've been asleep for like most of it. I mean, Jesus Christ, I fell off a freaking water tower.

What do you expect? I was like, a text saying I'm still alive? Like, what do you? I mean, you know, we had texts. So give me something. And she's like, I went home, went to bed. All right. I'm pretty sure I have three.

broken ribs, my, my arm is spraying, and there's bruises all of me. You're not going to get to see me for like another week. And I said, well, I'm down here for a week. So I mean, obviously I'm not going to see you for a week. And she goes, shut the fuck up. And so anyways, well, so we still did the same thing, you know, talked after nine, stuff like that. And, and I said, what's the deal? And they said, well, they're pretty much banishing me. I lost rank because I'm dating you. And I had, I'm pretty much a grunt again. And I said, so you're the lowest of the low. She goes, yeah. I said, why? Why you? She goes, I like you. I've really like you a lot. And I said, but to lose your position in the ranks, that's a lot. And she goes, I'm better than everybody in my rank.

in my group anyways, I'll get back up there anyways. It don't matter. I was like, yeah, but I mean, that's a lot to lose for just a human. And she's like, well, yeah, you are just a human, but, you know, you're my human. And I'm like, okay, I guess that makes me feel better. I don't know. Am I a puppet or I don't know, you know? And she said, and she said, oh, by the way, you still got, the guy went back down to you last night.

So you're being watched again. And I was like, oh, that's great. And she goes, but it's a little more complicated than that. I said, what do you mean? She goes, well, instead of having him watch you just for me, now he's got a report to everybody else higher than me. So if you do something that they're not going to like, then they'll know about it.

And I was like, oh, well, that's great. I have a bigger audience to watch me now, huh? And she goes, yeah, pretty much. And she said, honestly, and I heard her rustling some paper around. And she goes, you're actually in our news group, too. I said, what you mean? She goes, well, you know, we're our own kind of society type of deal. She said, so we have like a newspaper type of deal. She said, it's not really a newspaper, but it's so everybody knows what's going on. And I don't know how you'd explain that, honestly. But she said, anyways, you're on it.

Like, you got a picture, you got your name on there. Like, everybody in this whole community knows you now. And I was like, oh, well, that's great. Like, now I'm noticed by everyone in this whole community. So needless to say, the whole year after that whole situation, like, I started getting random looks from strangers I did not know. And it's just like, okay, you might, you might. There's your sign. Yeah.

So anyways, well, got done. of Florida came back home, seen her. She was limping all around. She wasn't very mobile at all. She was rough looking and her dad did not notice a thing

from her, like being rough looking and stuff. She didn't, she was not one to wear makeup or anything. Like she she was all natural. And like, she was gimping around and I was like, how is your dad?

not notice this stuff. And she's like, well, he doesn't care. He doesn't matter. And I was like, I'm pretty sure he cares enough to know when his daughter gets home and is limping. Like, he's going to notice that. And she's like, I told him that I fell and I sprang my ankle or something. I don't know. And I was like, that is not the dad that I want to be.

Like, I'm going to, you're going to get 50 questions out of me. Like, I'm going to be like, who did it? Where are they at? Where can I beat him up at? Oh, they're a kid? Oh, crap. Where's their dad at so I can beat him up? Like, you know?

And but she's like, it don't matter. He's fine. I'm fine. Let's just hang out. Let's watch TV or something. And so we did that, you know, for, I don't know, it was probably like another week or two. We didn't really do much.

and then there was like, I don't know, three or four days, me and her got in like a little argument about something stupid as teenagers do. And so like there's a couple, like three or four days that we didn't talk. Like we were just so mad. She was so mad at me probably because I was an ass or something. I don't, it probably was. I mean, honestly. But she, so she didn't talk to me.

She's like, I'm not going to talk. talk, you, you, you can go do your own thing. I'm not going to talk to you for a while. And I was like, all right, you know, I mean, I'm going to do whatever, you know, and well, come find out. And after those few days, we made up or whatever, and we're good to go again. And, and D shows back up whenever I come back over. And he's kind of hesitant towards me, you know, after, it's like, after everything we've been through, you're hesitant now. Like, you know, And he just kind of was like just off. You could tell like something,

something was eating him. And he wasn't willing to talk about it. And so I was just like, okay, whatever. And day goes by or two days go by. It's either a day or two. But anyways, well, me and her were so, So, I mean, we weren't really, we were, we made up, but we were still kind of like on edge with each other. And D pulls me off to the side after she, like, goes in the house or something.

He's like, bro, he said, I didn't know this. So I'm very sorry. And I said, what are you mean? He goes, he goes, the other day, you guys weren't talking. And I said, yeah. And I said, we got an argument. He goes, I didn't know you guys were. together. She told me you

wasn't. And she ended up cheating on me with him. And he goes, bro, I did not know at all. And so anyways, well, so obviously 16 year old me

or 17 year old me was very pissed. You know, and he was telling me as sorry and you know, they didn't know, and I couldn't blame him. Like, you know, I was like, I, I don't, I don't blame you. Like, if she told you that we were broken up, like, I don't blame you whatsoever.

You know, I'm not mad at you. But, you know, I'm mad. And he goes, well, you know, I would be mad too, you know. I would never done this to you if I'd known. It was, you know, you guys were still together. And I guess that's how much we, you know, actually bonded with each other. Like, he was really upset over it. He was mad at her and everything.

And so I got, you know, me and her battled it out. We were yelling at each other and stuff. And I was in my dad's envoy again. And I backed out of the driveway. And she knew that I liked doing burnouts and stuff. So she, I walked, I jumped off the porch and hopped in the envoy. And she's like, don't you do no burn out and you know yelling at me i said i'll tell you i'll show you what and i

stomped that sucker and broke it broke it loose doing posies down her road and took off and left you know and she was bawling her eyes out or whatever and uh i got home and of course you know again it's dusk so i got home and before i even went in the house or anything like my parents had their camper outside of the garage because, you know, we just got back from Florida or whatever. And so I just needed to, you know, take it in. I needed a moment to take it in before I went into the house. So I got out of the truck and or the envoy and I sat down on the steps of the camper and just kind of like put my hands on my head and was hanging my head low, you know, and was upset over it. And, you know, looking back at now is just like, well, it's more lust than love. But, you know, at the time,

you know, there's, to me, it was a lot more. And, uh, it was a lot of interesting things, too. I mean, you know, it's not every day you can say you dated somebody like that. Yeah. So, um, I, you know, we're sitting there, just soaking in the silence, and I hear footsteps, like, running around me. And I'm, and, you know, the way, the way my parents' house is, is like, you know, if, if this is the house, you know, there's a roll of trees going down this side, there's another roll of trees going down that side. The road's right here, and then there's roll trees on that side, right? And these are all pine trees. And then right in the middle is like a shed. And like it's kind of engulfed in the trees a little bit. Like we kind of pushed it

into them just to get it out of our way. But anyways, well, there's a, there's a shed there. And then the camper was like right here next to the shed in the driveway. Well, so I was sitting on that camper. and like I said, I heard footsteps, and they'd run down this set of trees. You'd hear them hit the blacktop, and then you'd hear them run down the backside and the field behind these other trees, and then you'd hear him hit the blacktop again,

and then run down the stairs, or down the trees on this side, and you'd hear them hit the roof of the shed, and it was a shingle roof of the shed, and you'd hear them go up the roof and down the other side, And then jump off and hit the, my dad was doing the flashing on his garage. So there's scaffolding. You'd hear them, you'd hear the scaffolding or something, you know, make the metal noise. And then you'd hear it run across the roof of the house and then do it again.

Around. And it ran around me. I don't know how many times before I actually noticed it. But when I noticed it, it ran around me five times. And I was just like, why are you following me? Like, you know, we just broke up. Why are you even following me? You don't like me.

And I was sitting there. Didn't know if he was listening to me or not, but I was sitting there telling, you know, why are you doing this? And so my uncle's house is like caddy corner from my parents. And he always left an outside light on by his back porch. Well, that outside light would shine through the trees, right? And now, granted, there is a bunch of limbs in the way, but you could still see the bulb or the fixture or whatever. And so what I did was I basically zoned out. And I mean, you probably watched me zone out here, a crap ton of times.

But what I did was I zoned out and I stared at that light at my uncles and why he was run. Why that, I guess it was a he. I don't, I'm going to say it's a he. but why he was running around the house, and my parents' house, and I'd see a figure run in front of the light, a black man, person running across my vision.

And that was the only way I could see him. I could follow the footsteps, but I could never see the person. But if I focused on one thing, I could see, like, and I can, I, till this day, I can still see that mental image that I took of it. And it's just a black person and they're like this.

And with a foot out, obviously. And, and I was just like, what are you doing? Why are you running around me? What, we, you're not supposed to be here. You're not supposed to let me even hear you. So what are you doing? And I, and at that point, I'm standing up. I'm away from the camper.

I'm standing up and I'm sitting in front, or I'm standing. standing in front of this shed, right? That way I knew something was behind me, you know, because I didn't want a clear opening to the trees behind me. So I was standing right at this shed, and I'm looking towards my uncle's house because that's where, you know, like I said, I've seen him. And it went quiet. And then I just hear laughter above me.

And then I look up and you hear him running again. Like, and I was just like, what are you laughing about? You know, and, you know, at that point, I'm not, I don't give a crap what he, if he's there to kill me or whatever. I'm just, I'm distraught and pissed off and, you know, why'd you just laugh at me? You know, what did I do to make you laugh, you know? And, and, but yeah, he, I, I can't get the laughter. my head either.

Like, you know, is, ha ha. And then I look up and da-da-da-da-da-d-d-d-d. Don't know. But that, after that, it was the last time I, um,

really talked to her or had anything to really do with Likens. But then over the years, it's like they kept tabs on me. Like, you know, they occasionally pop in and be like, we're watching you. And then like fade back into the darkness type of deal. I had a few different instances where, you know, they've either shoved my vehicle or they've been following me. You know, you could get that sense, you know, after you've been in that stuff for, you know, a year or two or whatever. you know, you're sitting there.

You can get a sense of when one in there around. You know, you can feel them coming towards you or, you know, if they're watching you or whatever. And so now, like, let me be honest with you here, Tony. You move down here, right? And I'm sure is probably financially better and stuff like that. But did you move down here to see these things? I moved down here for a lot of reasons, but not just these things, but other things too. I came here for a lot of reasons, but I didn't realize that I had, you know, I don't know if it's liking every time, but these upright walking dogs, yeah, there, a lot of them are here.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, this morning, I'm not going to say that I've seen anything because, you know, like I've told my whole story here, you know, I haven't really seen any of them, except for ones that actually tell me they are, you know. And but the weird thing about it is is whenever you get into this, I don't know, this field or the senses that you have to go through. to be around them, you never lose them. So whenever your senses from, you know, your past or whatever that you've felt once before and you haven't in a long time start pinging, you know, wanting your, okay, well, you're being watched right now, you know, and stuff like that.

And, you know, everybody's got their sixth sense. Well, I'm not going to say there's a seven sense. I'm not going to say there's an aid or anything like that. But if my sixth sense is, you know, it's telling me that somebody's watching me like every one of them does to everybody else, then what's the next one that's telling me that they're actually looking at me and I know they're there? Because on the way here, when I was going through the mountains to get here,

I wouldn't say that I was being followed or why. watched or anything like that. But as I was passing through the mountains and the swerves and everything, you had to vaguely get a sense that somebody knows I'm here. And somebody knows why I'm here. And you know, and that's, and you heard me this morning, you know, or earlier, you know, I'm glad you're in town and not in the woods. And you, you kind of brushed it off lightly and was like, yeah, well, that, you know, my house is in the woods and stuff like that. Well, I meant that because I feel like if we were in the woods, we'd have a lot more issues out of your studio than we are right now.

And I'm not saying I'm some special person or anything, but, you know, I've been followed all these. I mean, I was followed when me and J.R. was working together. I've been followed. I've came in and told him about it. I've had moments where, like, I thought one, I was riding my motorcycle home. And as soon as I hit a wooded area on our road or on my path home on my motorcycle, I instantly, somebody was following me. It just hit.

And it was just, I couldn't shake it. I couldn't get rid of it. I look behind me. Of course, I can't see behind me because I'm on a motorcycle. Mears only do so much. And so, you know, and then I made it just right almost into town. And then that feeling went away. And then I never had the feeling rest of the night getting.

And I only had like a mile left. And but like I was, I kid you not, man. I was going from doing 60 to 65 miles an hour on this motorcycle. And it's a cruiser, so I couldn't even outrun anything if I wanted to, to doing like 85, 90 down the road trying to get, because it felt like it was like reaching out to grab my back. Like it felt like it was right there. And, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, well, you're paranoid. Well, it's kind of different.

when it comes to that kind of thing. Like I said, I've been around, I was around it two or three years, so it was just kind of something that can't really be explained, I guess. I don't, I don't know. But so after we broke up,

like I said, I got the car, a couple of my vehicles got pushed. I still had people watching over me. um we we we me and my best friend even tried to like um show off like we went over and we drove past her house and was like showing off that look at us you know is your best friend know he i told him but he never seemed phased by it like he like okay whatever bro and you know

and he now he did feel we were heading home one night and he did feel the car get shoved. And he's, he turned around and looked in, we were in the blazer again. And he turned around and looked out the back window and was like, what, what, what do we hit? And I looked down, I said, oh, you felt that? I said, I thought I was just going crazy now. Like, you know, and he goes, what are you mean? I said, oh, that, that, we just got shoved. That's what it was. And he goes, by what? I said, you know my ex-girlfriend? He goes, yeah. I said, she has people that can do things. I don't know. I don't know how to explain to you, but, and I said, I'm really, I'm not, I guess I'm really not supposed to talk about it, but, and, and he goes, huh, so somebody

just pushed us. I said, yeah. He goes, that's weird. And he kept his eye on the back of the truck the rest of the way, and of course, we never had got pushed again. But, yeah, it, like, we, there's certain things, like, um, that showed me that they were still watching me. And, and, and, You know, like the last, like I said, the last time that happened, I was working with JR, and that was less than a year ago that that happened. And, you know, so, you know, it's just kind of like, they kind of like put a touch on your, on your, on your heart for a few minutes. And then they're like, okay, I know where you're at. And then leave you alone, you know. So that's why I was kind of hesitant to even do this with you.

Like, you know, they kind of show up whenever you don't want them to. and then they disappear whenever you need them to. So, but, yeah, I mean, I was cruising through what our state park would be called as a forestry. I was cruising through it and one of my cars and had a deer, you know, it's common. I mean, you know, a deer walking across the road in the forest or forestry. And so I had a deer walk across and from him, you know, I stopped. Why are you going to do, you know? Stopped and looked at this deer and I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, that's a beautiful deer, you know, that dough is going to be huge next year, you know.

And then my senses or whatever you want to call them told me to look back and look right. And so I looked right and there's a black. I say figure, but, you know, you could say as a shabler. or whatever you want to call it is, it's just black. You couldn't see through it. Couldn't make out what it was. It's moving too quick.

It's almost like it's vibrating so fast that you couldn't get a shape out of it, right? Well, anyways, I'm in a, and by this time, I've upgraded. I got a 99 Z28 Camaro. Like, you know, I'm really stylish, you know. And so I look right and this black mass person thing, whatever, is running straight at my door where my car is sitting. And it's just, I mean, it's just booking it. I couldn't tell what it was.

Well, then it, like, if this was my car, it's running straight at my car through the woods. And then it's like it made it up to my car and then beeline and went around my car, went back to my driver's door, and then same path, and ran straight at that deer. I heard wrestling and everything. So you're saying it went for the deer?

It went for the deer. But you have no idea what it was? I have no idea. Do you equate that to this whole story you're sharing? Or do you think this was something totally different? I think it was one of them. But just because, you know, like I told you before, I had to zone out to even see a figure. Did she ever say that they go after deer like that?

Is that what they eat? She pretty much said that they'll eat just about anything that they can get their hands on. And you never saw her in a different form other than a human looking for him. No, but I do, I did, like I told you before, her nails never did get short. No matter how many cuts. She had the best backscratchers. I'll tell you that right now. They'd almost scratch too much if you get what I mean.

Scabs and all. Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah. And, you know, that, you know, you're going to have some people. Oh, that's just a woman. They always have long nails and stuff like that. But when you see them cut them the day before and you look at them the next day and they're the same length again.

Yeah. I mean, so we're, listen, your story, there's going to be people who aren't going to believe it. Oh, of course. And they'll say, because this is a question I would have other than I'm trying to take in all the information at one time, like people are going to suggest that you were an NPC in this whole thing where it's like you were dating a girl that had a group of friends that they had this game they played and you were a non-playing character in it,

which they toyed with you. But it doesn't explain things that you personally experienced, where it's like the last scene you were talking about, hearing the footsteps and you understand you can comment, comprehending that moment, the speed, that whatever it is traveling. And then seeing flash in front of the light. So there's things like that that you can't get around. So, yeah, I mean, people are going to say what they say, right?

Yeah, yeah. But what I don't understand is, is it that hurt? Oh, there's a lot of things I don't understand about this stuff. but like when it comes to because you're 16 she's around the same age or 16 when you guys started a year younger Oh yeah okay like so what

her dad if mom's not in the picture her dad just is a bad dad doesn't care about her or what? He he cared about her but at the same time if she went like

if she didn't come home that night he just locked the door and to bed, you know. Is he a drunk or? No, he, he, he, he's just different. He just smoked pot a lot and he just. All right. So like, how does, so her dad's human?

Far as I knew, yeah. Does she ever tell you how she became a liking? She's not born that way, right? She, she said that you had to be born that way. And there's, there's a certain gene that you had to have to do it. I never met her mom. Well, I take that back. I met her mom twice, and her mom seemed normal, too.

She looked identical to her mom. Like, even her mom's, I think they were both, her dad and her mom were around 40 or 50 years old. And you could have put a wig on her mom, and they would have looked like sisters. That's how close the resemblance was. and almost like she was, I wouldn't say a clone, but I mean, it was pretty close.

I mean, granted, her mom was shorter than her by like, you know, two or three inches. But other than that, like,

they were identical. So the way she explained it to me, and that was, you know, that, I told you the whole story with us being together and how everything went through.

There was, There's also, you know, like there's a little mini stories off the side, and I'm glad you asked. So that was a little mini story. Like, so I asked her, I asked her if I was one. Because, you know, after that, you know, obviously we're together still, but after everything that she put out on the table for me and told me about and everything, like I said, my sentences started heightening. I mean, I could hear things that I definitely could not understand. So she said, no, you're born with it. And she goes, but you can wake up or you can like have a tragic accident and it activate.

She said, everybody's got the gene to be one. She said, but whenever you're being born, it's either that gene goes or doesn't. I don't know the best way to describe that, but she basically said that 90% of people born are not, but the other 10 will be born with that gene. And she said, and the gene is like, is dormant. It's, it doesn't, it's like you could tap it if you figured out a way. So it usually like turned on. Yeah.

But she said most of the time, it, you'd almost pretty much lose your life to be able to turn it on, I guess you could say. So she was born with it though? Yeah. She said she was born with it. And she's always been like that. And that, uh, D and some others in the group. She said when you hit pu- It's kind of like, you know, one of those stories that you see on TV.

When as you're starting to hit puberty, instead of actually going through puberty, like a normal person would, they actually have to like shelter them, that person that's changing so that they don't. I feel like I've heard this before. Maybe you just told me this before. I don't remember.

Well, I remember telling you at the trailer. Yeah. But, um, so she, I said, well, has there ever been anybody that has been, like, became one? Like, you know, just happened to become one. She said there's one case that happened, and they had to go in and take care of it.

And she never specified how she got taken care of. But she said the, she said it was a 40-year-old guy and that he'd gotten a fatal accident, and he was on death. row or deathbed. And she said he died for two minutes and came back and he started throwing doctors around. He looked like I was launching them across the room and stuff. And that they could not get him under control. They couldn't get strengths on him or nothing. And he was just a totally different person, they said, when he came back.

And she said they had not her in particularly, but her group or, or the group that was associated with her had to go in and take care of the issue. And that's all she said about it. And I said, so there's no, there's no way, like, I could be one then, like, dating you, being around all you guys, there's no, she said, there's no way. She said, you're not, you don't have the characteristics, and, you know, you know, you're not, and she said, and she made a joke about it. you're not fit enough.

You know, if you, if you were, you'd have a, a high metabolism. You'd, you'd always be hungry, like stuff like that. And she said, obviously you don't. I said, well, what about like down the road? Like, what if I just, and she's like, there's no, that, that is like a one thousand chance that that could ever happen to you like it did that guy. She said, it's, it's very, very rare that they had ever happened. And I was like, well, then,

How do you explain me actually being able to know where you guys are at? And she goes, you've been around us. You've picked up stuff. And she said, yeah, I mean, the more you stay around us, the more you're going to notice things and feel things. It's interesting because people will say similar things where they've had maybe ongoing interaction with these creatures or whatever, and they start getting a sense where they can almost sense it's here.

Yeah. And, you know, I walk through the forest and I'm, just like oblivious everything. Are you around me? I'm like, hello! Are you here? I got cookies. Yeah. Please come. But, okay. So, I believe that

there are many different types of like yesterday we had a conversation here in the studio of me, J.R. and Shelley. And I feel like the term dog man is a catchphrase for a of different things, but even like lichen is in the sense. Like when you say lichen, I'm thinking werewolf, somebody, the person who transforms, right? But I don't think all the settings that people are having are a person transforming into an upright walking dog. I think that there are

legitimate creatures out there that people are running into, whether they're interdimensional or their lab created, ancient remnant. And so there's a lot of different things. But, and I had a point that I was going with on that one. But, oh, so one thing that you mentioned to me, or you told me this story, you know, months ago or probably a year ago now, whatever it is up in Indiana. And I reached out to this, this, I'm trying to be careful how I say it. Um, so most people that, that are familiar with what I'm doing with the show and stuff, they, they know that I'm working on another story. And one of the people involved in that story that has a lot of information, uh, I reached out to and asked about the, that's thunder.

Oh, it's thunder. Okay. I was like, that was loud. What the heck is going on here? You, you summoned to us something, sucker. Get out. But, no, I asked this person about lichen, werewolves and warring fractions. And they said, yes, that is true. And that I said, has there ever been a situation where they've gotten out of hand or some of that? I forget how it came about, but they said that there was a,

a fraction that this character that I'm working on hopefully getting on the show to talk to me, he had to step in and take care of the issue. I guess there was a group of Lichen that got carried away and things kind of spilled over into the public. And he had to step in and take care of things. And apparently, like, he's somebody that they all knew who he was. And it was just like, Yeah. You know. And so there's levels to this for sure, but it was interesting. And I think I even asked you about, and I don't want to ask it here because I don't want to kind of give too much information away or location wise, but I asked you about a certain town in Indiana.

And you said, yeah. And so did you have any comprehension, though? I mean, you're 16 years old. Testosterone is relatively new in your body. You're feeling invincible. You're living in a movie at the time where it's like these things aren't supposed to real and just kind of going along with the flow and seeing what's what. It's kind of fun.

Living on the edge. Still not sure if you're going to believe it. All that, right? Did you have any... All right. So at some point, you crossed over into believing. Yeah. And so my question is for this period of time.

But because, I mean, at some point, you're living and you're just like, I don't know what I believe, but this is cool. She's hot, whatever. Yeah. Once you cross over into believing, did you have any comprehension as to what kind of danger you're in? Oh, yeah. I am. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, you're, oh, yeah, it's dangerous.

But, you know, especially looking back, it's like you're 16 years old. I mean, I mean, I wouldn't have been able. I was a fly in their net in their net. Yeah, but when I was 16, I didn't feel like death was around the corner. You know what I mean? Like, you're invincible. Did you have any comprehension as to, like, if this is real, like, I'm walking on the edge here. Yeah.

You know, did you have any comprehension? Yeah. Needless to say, I toned down a little bit after I figured out that it was all real. like they weren't just blowing smoke up my ass. I, whenever, you know, I've seen obviously the bruises on her, and whenever she completely described everything at my mom and dad's house and, you know, kept calling me and telling me that I'm not inside and stuff like that, you know, whenever that got more serious, I started realizing that, you know,

you might want to tone down on trying to piss these people off. And, and, you know, and it just got to where, okay, well, obviously I haven't pissed them off enough to actually do anything with me. Like, they're going to, and I came to the exception that they were just going to screw with me the rest of my life. Like, they were going to push my vehicle or move something or do something. I mean, I even, I went as far as leaving cereal in a bowl out in the yard or out in the driveway for them. Like, hey, man, if you get hungry, here you go. And I got a phone call the next morning and saying they don't eat cereal. Why did you give it to them?

And I'm like, see if they're hungry. I mean, I eat cereal, so why wouldn't they, you know? But, yeah, I mean, they. So again, on that, so you're dating. somebody who's not human. Are you okay saying that? I mean, is that how you view it? I would say I'm dating someone that is at least half human.

I wouldn't say she's not human completely. Like a hybrid. Yeah, like a hybrid. And you're talking about something in her DNA that she has that nobody else has? Yeah. And I mean, you know, I didn't see, I didn't see. I didn't see, you know, I've seen some of her strength on some stuff. Like, she was smaller than me.

She was like Shelly size, probably shorter though. And, you know, any normal person looking at me would be, I mean, I wouldn't say intimidated now, but back then would have been intimidated because I was a bigger person then. You know, I mean, I've been the same size, but I had more muscular. stance my shoulders look broader than most um i could win a good majority of um arm wrestlings and stuff like that you know and i could face her and she would win every time like she she didn't show me how truly strong she was but when it came to strength tests like she would show that she's got the strength to take care of what it was.

I don't know how you need this. I don't know how you really say how to prove that or anything. But like, I don't know. She, she jumped and she grad, like, she could scrub. I have big hands. Bear paws. Yeah, I have bare paws. And she would never, you know, crunch my hand.

but she she put on a bitter grip in my hand than most of the people I've ever handshaped. Like she could, I don't know, she could do some things that would make you a question if you wanted to even mess with her, you know? How do they find each other? Has she ever said that? Like, I mean, she's born like this,

but how does she find the others and how they create the organization around that? She said that they had, I wouldn't say telepathic, but you know how, you know how dogs can like sense one another dogs around. It's like that. I don't know if you'd call that telepathic or not. But she would literally, she'd know where they're at and then she'd go find them or they'd come find her. Like, they, as soon as they got in a certain circle range of where she is at, she didn't know where they're at. I mean, most people, I guess, would say that's telepathic.

But, like, she pointed out so many things when we'd be driving or walking or whatever. And she'd be like, why? And you'd see a question face come across her. And she'd be like, why is that person over there? Or why is he over there? You know? And he'd be like, what are you talking about? And she'd be like, well, he's in the range.

He's still in the range, but he's almost at the edge. Why would he? She'd sit there and question it, and I'm like, I don't know. I'm not a liking. Like, we, so, yeah, it just, I don't know if you'd call it telepathic or not. You know, I can't remember. if you and I covered this in a previous conversation

if this is from my other stuff that I'm working on. But I remember somebody talking to me about how somebody was becoming a liking or something. And

the others had to go and basically explain it to the person and like explain what was happening and kind of like show the ropes of the whole thing.

Does that ring a bell at all to you? Or am I thinking of? Because I know I've heard. I know I've heard. It rings a bell, yeah. I got, like as soon as I get home today, I'm going to talk to my wife, because she would know,

she would know where I heard this from. Honestly, it's probably for me. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it probably could have been from one of your other sources. It, they, I mean, they've had, they've done that, yeah.

I don't know where... I feel like it happened in the hospital. Like, somebody... Somebody was in the hospital and they had a... Was it... I mean, I could have said it whenever I was telling you about it, or talking to you about the thing. The guy in the hospital.

Yeah, I could have said it when I said that. Hmm. Okay. It's just, like, that's the thing that sucks. I hear so many stories. They become shadows, they merged together and she's like, ah. Well, I mean, like I said, I mean, I assume that they probably told them how to do, how to show them the ropes and stuff.

But she, I mean, she said that she just, they took care of it. So, I mean, I probably just foreshadowed it and told you that, you know, they showed them how to do the ropes and everything. I'm still going to check with my wife because there's so much, There's so much information about the stuff that I'm trying to keep straight. Oh, believe me. I'm 30 years old trying to tell you my 16-year-old life. So I'm trying to keep it as straight as possible.

Yeah. And with many, many short stories that I veer off on. So, yeah, I mean, I get it. So, all right, let me ask you this, and then we're going to bring it in for a landing. They're running next to your vehicle and you're driving. Yeah. Why can't you see this? I don't know.

And it bugged the crap out of me so much. She would say, she said whenever there is an opening, they would either get on the vehicle if there's nobody around or they would go to the trees. And kind of like, you know, like the old cartoons with Roadrunner and, um i can't while a coyote or wiley coyote you know the road would all zigzagging this way and it and it just follow every bit of it that's how i pictured it you know like they they're following the landscape to keep up and everything but yeah i well i mean it just goes back to the whole um i didn't i i couldn't focus on them until i was out of focus you know or i couldn't see until I was out of focus.

I do remember whenever she did, I didn't even say that in the story, but I do remember whenever she did say that they were following me, I was going to, I told her, I said, I'm going to see how fast they can run. And I ended up doing like 110 on the way home to see if they, and I didn't tell her at all. and I got home and I called her

because it is between the time that she didn't have to ask me if I made it home anymore over the phone or texting and stuff. So I called her when I got home and she said, did you really have to do 110 to see if they're going to follow you? And I said, yeah, did I lose them?

And she goes, no, you didn't. Why would you do that? see if they'd do 110, I guess. You know, but I do remember that. I mean, you have to forgive me a little bit because, I mean, you're talking 15-year difference here. So it's like, I don't know, it seems like, because they were all right around the same age, I'm assuming? From what I understood, yes. Okay.

I think D was like 18. I was 16. She was 15. and then I think the others were the same age as me. But, I mean, they looked like it. Yeah, to me, it sounds like a lot of clowning around at times. Yeah. Like, it sounds like they're supposed to be,

they're supposed to be serious, but they're clowning. Yeah. Like, and it just seems, I don't know, it seems like it was a recipe for somebody to get punished and thrown off a water tower. Yeah. Well, I will say, I mean, I had, I didn't, I provoked them a lot. I mean, you know, I was always trying to get them to slip up.

So it, I wouldn't doubt that, you know, if you ever found one that actually had to watch over me or whatever, if you ever got that talk with them, they'd probably say I was probably an ass or something, you know. I would invite and welcome that conversation. You come in studio, we'll sit down. I want to, I want to, I have plenty of questions for somebody out there that. actually is one of these things. Right. I mean, and the worst part about it is, is, you know, like I told you, like, I was in there, like, little newspaper or whatever they had. And, you know, even, like I said, even after we broke up, like, I got weird looks from people that I've never seen before. And it's just like, why are you looking at me? Like, have you noticed who I

am or something? Or, you know, recognize that face. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, It's a very recognizable face, but I mean, come on. That's that human dork that was dating one of us. Yeah. What a loser. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, and I'm sure, you know, I'll end up texting you down the road or saying, hey, man, this also happened or something, you know. And you'll probably be like, well, dag on it.

Why can't you just keep everything straight? No, I understand that. I mean, I have so many stories of that I've been through. And we got, we got J.I. over here. Try. her eyes changing yeah yeah that another short story they're no you know step off story what are you going to call them yeah the um jr had to remind me about it that's sad in it um so whenever um she first explained everything to me and um you know we were kind of jumpy from

heard talking about it because I'm I know she was a little jumpy about it because she wasn't supposed to tell anybody and I was real jumpy about it because it's like oh my god my girlfriend's sweat yeah this is weird yeah and so I noticed that whenever she leaned in close to kiss me because I was making jokes too I was like you're not gonna bite me you know you're not gonna suck my blood or try and devour me or something and she's like we don't do that like we don't we we eat animals and animal's blood and stuff like that. We don't eat your blood. And I'm like, what's wrong with my blood? You know? But anyways, as she leaned in, while we were talking about that stuff, she had brown eyes. Like, when I first met her to when I left her, like, she had brown eyes. And I noticed whenever she would.

change, not appearance, but like her demeanor and seemed more like a liken than an actual person, her eyes would go black. Not the white, but the pupils. It's like it grew all the way up to her and covered her brown circles. Her eyes just completely turned black and look soulless almost. Like, I mean, she still acted like a normal person as far as, like, you know, you talked to her, but she had like a evil demeanor to her. Like she, like she's changed into like, I can throw you if you want me to, you know, type of thing. But, yeah, her eyes would change completely black.

And it, to this day, I mean, I still see that. I mean, there's a few things from it. I still see that I couldn't explain it. Yeah. I'm not going to be able to. I'm not even trying to waste my breath trying, you know. But yeah, it's just things I've seen. I mean, yeah.

So anything else you remember? J.R. is like, no, you're good. You covered everything I wanted you to cover now. Yeah, man, it's a wild story. And it's interesting because there have been little pieces of it after you told me up in Indiana. They've been making sense. It makes sense, but more so, like, I checked in with my other source, who is involved in a lot of dark interdimensional stuff,

and they have confirmed certain things. This is a very complex stuff. I feel like your ex-girlfriend at 16 probably didn't even quite comprehend how complex everything was. I think that she understood her involvement in everything, but there's a whole other... This is so layered.

It's unbelievable how layered this is. And so I'm glad you came down to talk about it, but I have to pee really bad. So I just, I drank two energy drinks and it has shot through me about an hour ago. Oh, you're good, man. So we're going to wind this up here. Anybody listening right now, we appreciate you being here. And until next week, stay safe, take care, and remember, truth is such a free,

but first I'll piss you off and I got to go pee. I'll see you. Because that's what warriors do.