The Confessionals - 568: Chestnut Ridge and Mind Portals

Episode Date: August 1, 2023

In Episode 568: Chestnut Ridge and Mind Portals, we're joined by a special guest, Ron Murphy. We have been planning this conversation for a long time and we are both excited to have finally been able to connect and record. Today we go around the world and back as we discuss anything from the mysterious Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania to the ancient Eygpt to mind portals. This is an exciting episode with Ron Murphy on board and we hope you enjoy it!The Shape Of Shadows Tickets:https://www.theshapeofshadows.com/The Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0SPONSORSGET Private Internet Access: piavpn.com/confessionalsGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals50" for 50% off plus the first box ships for free!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET FIRSTLEAF: tryfirstleaf.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvetOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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talking about our experiences at Spacewolf Research in the Uinta Basin. Now, this week we have Ron Murphy coming on the show today, and Ron and I have been talking about doing a show together for quite some time. We finally got done. We talked about Egypt. We talked about Pennsylvania. We went from Chestnut Ridge to Mine Portals. We went all over to place. This was a great conversation.

I really think you guys are going to enjoy it. So let's get to Ron right now. All right. Take two. We have Ron Murphy on the show today, sir. What is going on? You know what, my friend? I'm so happy to be here.

This has been planned for about like three and a half months and we're just finally getting to it now. And this is actually our second go because the first time we came on, there was a delay. So this is actually the second attempt at a show that has been planned for months. Yeah, it's nuts and I'm glad we're finally getting it done. I'm using Zoom. I haven't used Zoom in forever, but the service I normally use is glitching. So went back to the default, Zoom. So listen, you and I got connected through a common listener of my show, Laura, and she mentioned

to me, she's like, you should have Ron on the show. And then I think we were talking about the people at the dogman conference in Paris, Tennessee, and you were there. And I was there. So, you know, we just kind of, our paths kind of crossed over time. And, you know, I was like, let's get them on the show and talk. Yeah. Actually, I've been a fan of yours and I saw you passing and I settled well, but you were very, very busy that day.

So this is actually our first kind of official meeting. Yeah, I think this, it worked out great. Let me ask you a quick question, housekeeping real quick. Am I on video for you? Yeah. Okay, cool, because I don't see me at all. So I just wanted to make sure you didn't feel like you were talking to a blank wall. Actually, on my side, all you are is video.

I don't even see myself on this. So if you can see me, I do always good. All right. Sounds good. Show self-view. Got it. Right here it is. There it is. I don't know if I just jacked up my video recording, but I don't care.

Anyways, I'm glad you're here. And we're going to kind of launch off with the Chestnut Ridge topic. And we'll see where it evolves from there. I coming from Pennsylvania have heard of Chestnut Ridge since it's in Pennsylvania. I've never. We're talking we're over 550. episodes into this show. And we've never done anything on Chestnut Ridge that I can remember. Maybe it's come up in conversation. But it was one of those things where, well, who do you talk to?

And because I'm not like, the listeners know, I'm not the guy that, you know, is going to inform you on what Chestnut Ridge is or anything else. Like, I talk to the people who know about the topics. And so it was one of those things where I could have had Stan Gordon, I'm sure. But it just, it's one of those things where it always works out for the best in the end. And you always just kind of like, it's in the back of your head, but you never did anything with it. And here we are. And we're going to do something with it. Before we get into Chestnut Ridge, though, for the listeners, tell them who you are,

what you're about, what you do. Tell them about your books and stuff like that. Excellent. Okay. So I have grown up in the shadow of the Chestnut Ridge all of my life. So I was from a small town in western Pennsylvania called Blairsville, that back of the time had two streetlights. And back of the day before a podcast, we used to have to go to the radio, right?

It's hard to believe that people were doing that, you know, even, you know, 47 years ago. But you mentioned Stan Gordon. Without Stan Gordon, I would not be here because about twice a month he would be on KDK, which is a radio station in Pittsburgh. And he would talk about all the kind of strange goings on that was happening back in the 70s. Now, as a kid, this was a great time to be alive because, you know, we had in search of, we had that's incredible. So all these great programs were on. But in my town, it was boring.

Nothing was going on until Bigfoot was being cited. And that was awesome, you know. So my mother and I, we would listen to San Gordon talking on the radio. And then the next day, we would go to the sites that he had mentioned that was right outside of our town. And we would go investigate for ourselves. No, of course, we never found anything. But like I said, this was a great time to be alive. And I would go to, the kids nowadays can just Google things.

But back in the day, we had to go to libraries, right? And it was kind of like an investigation of itself because you had to go to a hard catalog. You had to do all this kind of stuff. You know, you have to find the footprints to lead you in the right direction. And my town's library had a couple big foot books. But it was great because as a kid, I was sitting there. I was absorbing this stuff. and I was really just excited about all this kind of stuff.

And it stayed with me until high school. And then I found out that high school girls really don't find guys. But that interesting. I know it's changed now, my friend, but back in the day it didn't. But then I went to college. I went to the University of Pittsburgh, and I was studying anthropology. And I remember this, you know, like it was yesterday, even though it was, you know, like 30 years ago. But I was sitting down at my desk.

It was an anthropology 101 class, you know, introduction to anthropology. And there was a chapter in there about this idea that a species of a giganticithicus may have existed into the historical era. And this gave us the idea, at least the notion of the evolved snowman. And this was from a book that was not published by Amazon. This was a book that was actually, you know, these were by professors that had written this book. And they had the idea that there might be a remnant population of gigantic, Epithicus that was the basis for, you know, our myths. And I thought this is, this is awesome. And it was like Bigfoot now entered the room, sat down beside me and said, now what do you do with me?

Right. So as an academic and also as somewhat a level of the paranormal, I thought, let's see how we can look at the supernatural and through the cryptozoology from a multidisciplinary perspective. So I use psychology and sociology and mythology and kind of blend it all together to get to the archetype of what we're looking at. Because once we get to the archetype, we can now trace some sort of history. And for a lover of Bigfoot, werewolves and vampires and all that kind of stuff. And as somebody that writes about all these things, I try to find the genesis for these things within the historical record, which sometimes is very difficult and very nebulous. But I try to go back as far as I can to find out where these things got their origin story. And then why in the 21st century do we need these creatures now?

So as someone that writes about these things, I've written about mermaids and I've written about, you know, Bigfoot and Dogman and ghosts and fairies and witches and all this other kind of stuff. But the one book that I'm quite proud of, and the first book that I've ever written about the paranormal was the unexplained world of the Chestnut Ridge, which was 30 years of my investigation into this area that I still call home. oddly enough, I live at the corner right now of Chestnut Ridge, and the Chestnut Ridge is right outside my window right now. And it was from there, it's from this very odd area that is not a very big piece of property, right? It only extends from, you know, about 75 miles and it terminates in Morgantown, West Virginia. So, but in this very narrow corridor, we have Bigfoot sightings and

UFO encounters and it's just strange things that go on so much so that back in the 19, This was called the twilight zone of Pennsylvania. And you would think that there might have been some sort of fervor going on of, you know, a big foot sighting. So people have this kind of mass hysteria about things that go bump in the night. But even now, you know, there are reports coming out of there weekly, if not daily in certain times of the year. Wow. So, uh, you write this book and it kind of carries throughout time, really.

I mean, it starts what back when you were a kid about the chestnut ridge. and it's still having weird crazy things happen now. First of all, just before we get away from it, where can people get your books on Amazon, right? Yeah, you can get them on Amazon. Actually, about a year ago, Walmart picked up several of my books as well, too. So I was very happy about that. So if you can't find them on Amazon, you get to Walmart.

And if Walmart does not carry them there, at least you can order them and they'll be there overnight or what have you. But yeah, you can get me on Amazon, or you can contact me, you know, through Facebook, social media, whatever. Ronald Murphy, and I'd be happy to get you out of anything that you need. Because at the end of the day, whenever I go to conferences, I'm in awe of people that I'm there with. Like, I can't believe that I'm there. So I buy their books because I think that any time we have literature out about a particular subject,

you need so many different points of views in order to get a real good focus on what's going on. So that's what I do, my friend. I see myself here with all these people like Ken Gearhart and, you know, loud blackburn and what the heck am I doing here? But I think that we all need to have these different perspectives in order to see a clear focus of what we're looking at. Yeah, I had a similar experience with Blile. One of these days, I'm sure he'll be in studio to chop it up.

But I remember it was at the Paris conference. I was walking by him and I just shake his hand. And he looks at me right in the eyes, he's like, man, you're blowing up. And I'm just like, you know who I am? Like, I was like, what? That's absolutely the case. You get that kind of fuzzy feeling in there because these people who were, you know, your idols, especially whenever you're starting out, you know,

you see these people when you think these are the best of the best. And then they finally know who you are. And that's a great feeling. It was wild. So, and, you know, let's bring it into the Chestnut Ridge conversation here. You brought up kind of like how you got involved. and the whole 30 years is a long time for looking into the topic. What was the first that you at least can recall the first experience that happened at Chestnut Ridge

that kind of launched it off into this weird? Or was it something that was like always historically there and we just didn't really document until a certain time period? No, no. I think it was always been there. So whenever I went to the University of Pittsburgh and I have my BA in literature. and then I have my master's degree in history, okay? So from Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

So I like to look at everything from a historical perspective. So with this stuff was going on now, history doesn't exist in a vacuum. So obviously there was something going on there before. Sorry about that. I have a bird as well, too, that's being very vocal right now. So I start finding out these writings, you know, pre-revolutionary war, pulling this area of the howling wilderness. Now, of course, there's different ways to look into that, but, you know, talking about

bigfoot howling and things like that. It's very strange they were using the same type of terminology. But there was always this kind of oddity to this area because you would find out reports of lumbermen that came to this area and were leaving certain areas alone because there was unusual feelings there. It's really, like I said, it's really interesting to see that it's just not happening now. There's a continuation of something going on. And it was in this area that the first Bigfoot report was back in the 1840s, I believe it was,

before the Civil War. And this was the area where, you know, UFOs and strange lights in the sky had been reported and the idea of the Tommy Knockers, which miners had talked about and ghosts and everything. So we're going back to a tradition that goes back at least several hundred years, at least two or three hundred years. And in American time, that's like, you know, eternity. But we're talking about going back to the trappers, you know, in the late 1600s, that there's something unusual going on here. What was the first experience with Bigfoot? I mean, I didn't know that.

I didn't know that the first encounter with Bigfoot was in Pennsylvania, let alone Chessna Ridge. Yeah, well, this is what's odd about this encounter too, and I bring this up to people. So to put it in perspective, there was Major League Baseball being played in certain parts of the country at this time, but there was a trapper that was in Indiana County that claimed to have seen what he called a wild man,

because these were all Wild Men, before the name Bigfoot came to us or the name of Sasquatch that was brought from the Pacific Northwest. These were wild men and it was just simply a trapper that we wandered into town that claimed that he had seen a wild man. And all these towns now that we have connected by highways, you know, these sometimes were days apart from each other. You know, at one time this area that we're talking about, we're talking about into the early 1800s, there was a doctor who was about a week away from where we're at. So, you know, when you think about Pennsylvania now with all the Walmarts and universities and everything like that, it wasn't that way until very, very recently. So the idea that there was a wild man prowling about, you know, outside the outskirts.

And, you know, the borderland of the wilderness was really a story in and of itself. And then there was unfortunate things that happened to the Chestnut Ridge. At the turn of the 19th century into the 20th century, there was a chestnut blight that killed off all these trees. And the chestnut tree at one time stood, you know, 100 foot tall, 10 feet around, bigger in other parts of the country down towards Georgia. But they rained from Georgia to Maine. So this was a big blow to the Chestnut Ridge because, you know, that was the name of it now that the tree is gone. And then lumbering came in. So again, you know, you have this place that was barren, you know, for many, many years.

But now everything is reclaimed. The trees are back. It's still wilderness. But I try to tell people, you know, they say that, you know, Bigfoot can live in an area like this. But I will tell you at one time, and this was all men's doing, of course, this was the home to elk. This was the home to, you know, mountain lions.

And at one time, up until the time of the French and Indian War, the Chestnut Ridge was also home to the woodland bison, which was larger than the plains bison that we have nowadays. So to say that it cannot hold very large animals is a completely, another fallacy because at one time it did. And so as a theorist, and someone that investigates this, I look and see, is it possible, you know, even though this place was warded at one time and even though this place was pretty much domesticated at one time, is it possible that these populations that once exists there are now moving back in and reclaiming? And I think that's what's

going on. Now, people like Stan Gordon thinks that there's always been a population of Bigfoot within the Chestnut Ridge, but I don't see that as something that is plausible. I think the Chestnut Ridge works as a great highway for these kind of animals. It's easy to get from one place to another without being seen because people live along the Chestnut Ridge, but the top of the ridge itself is pretty, you know, pretty sparse. There's not anything that goes up there.

So it's a perfect highway to remain elusive and get around. So my theory is if these creatures are indeed flesh and blood animals, they have to necessarily be migratory because if they stay in one place for too long, they're not only going to diminish all the resources in that particular area, but the chances of being uncovered will be quite likely as well, too. So I see the Chestnut Ridge as a great Thor affair for these things that go bump with them like to travel without being seen by us. So it's like a spooky highway, you know, it just. A spooky super highway. I like that term. Yes, sir. Yeah, that's wild. So with the migratory idea of things, is there, is that, so you mentioned kind of like other creatures, but do you hear of other creatures other than Bigfoot involved with Chestnut Ridge? I mean, I know like, it's not that far from Point Pleasant with Mothman.

I don't know if there's ever been Mothman settings, but like, I know when I first started all this stuff that I do now, the topic of dogman was starting to pick up steam. And I remember, and I don't, I don't remember exactly where Chestnut Ridge is, like in my mind looking at the state of Pennsylvania, but I know southeastern Pennsylvania started getting a lot of dogman chatter, like people seeing things. Has that been popping up on Chestnut Ridge? It has. It has. So this is awesome. I'm glad you brought this up because connecting the dots and everything like that. Point Pleasant sits on the Appalachian plateau, the same way we are at as well, too. So there is this geological connection between all these kind of things.

And a lot of people say geology does come into play, right? We can talk about that later. But for all intents and purposes, we are geologically the same type of structure that we have here. And that might be what's producing these things. You know, these might be earth energies. But absolutely. So I was a teacher for most of my adult life. And somebody, I was in the teacher break room.

And somebody else came in and know that I like Bigfoot and everything. And she said, I saw something strange the other day and I don't understand what was going on. You might have any kind of inkling. So what happened? So here in Western Pennsylvania, people like to go around spotting deer. I don't know if you have that phenomenal on tennis. But that's where, you know, right before the hunting season, people go out with these big spotlights and shunning in the field looking for deer in hopes of possibly harvesting one of those in the upcoming season. So she said as she was doing this,

she had actually the spotlight land on what she thought was a wolf in the in the field she said you can see this huge wolf head this huge canine head but what's set it apart from everything else it is appeared as if its knees were drawn up to it and it had its arms around its knees of it was kind of like cradling itself just sitting in the field watching i had never heard about this before and she said the only thing i can think that it was was a werewolf now that's the word that she used now again connecting the dots. This sighting was off of a place called Meteor Road in Kexburg, Pennsylvania, where the Kexburg incident happened back in the early 1960. So we see all these kind of strange things happening here. But that was the first time

I ever heard about this werewolf. Now, I was up on the Chestnut Ridge with a gentleman named Sam Sherry, who had a Bigfoot siting back in 1984. And he claimed, hold on one second again, I got a, she's usually not like this, but this is giving me a little bit.

There's a good. All right. So back in 1984, he claims about a sighting along the Lowell-Hanna River. But his setting was a little bit strange because he was fishing at night and he heard something. And he looked across the bank and there was some creature over there. He turned around to get in his car. And in a second like that, the creature had crossed the river and appeared now behind his car. The word he used was materialized.

And he said the creature actually like waved at him. as he pulled away, he said he described the faces looking at a very Native American, and the skin was more leathery and really didn't have any kind of hair on it. But from that time on, people thought there was a Bigfoot. And in order so he didn't think that people were calling him crazy all the time, he was going to go out and try to prove the existence of these creatures. So he had all these kind of Rude Goldberg type of experiment set up, like putting an apple around aluminum foil, or not around aluminum foil,

around barbed wire. So the creature would reach in there, some hair would get caught or whatever. So he wouldn't approve the existence of these creatures. So we were up on the chestnut originally. He goes, I've seen two types of Bigfoot up here. And said, really? And that was the first time I ever heard of any of this stuff going on. And he said the one type was the large, lumbering type of gentle giant that you would get,

the Harry and the Henderson type of fame, right? And he said the other kind was a much thinner type of Bigfoot. I've never heard this before. And it had an elongated snout. and it hunted in packs. And I had never heard this before. And then Dogman now finally comes out into the, into the forer, right? So at this point now, I thought, well, I've been listening to these stories now before it was even given a name.

And now Dogman comes up, which I think is kind of a disservice to this animal as well, too, because I think that they've always been out there, especially in places like Michigan. You know, I wrote my on Dogman book several years ago, and I found out, you know, from the 1800s, they were seeing things out there that appeared to be, you know, for lack of a better term, a dog man or a werewolf, what have you. But these things have been around for a while and sometimes they're given rather silly names. Like even Mothman is a rather silly name. It's hard to take things like that seriously.

But getting back to your point, yes, I think that these things have always been around, but now we just have names. We have names now. So they're become part of our vernacular that way. Yeah, it's cultural names. You know, people like, like, I mean, at one time, dogman was probably called anubis, you know? Absolutely.

Yes, that's right. That's right. So to get back on that, because, again, somebody tuning in or somebody has a passing interest in this, you know, they can say, you know, these guys are fruitcakes. You know, what are they talking about this? I already know I am, sucker. I already know I am. Yes. But when we talk about things like anubis, we can talk about entire civilizations built upon a notion that a human.

being can transform into another, you know, another manifestation. And we have to take that into account, my friend, you know, the idea of a new bus, you know, this dog-headed God, you know, sometimes he is represented as a human, in human form as well, too. They're much more rare. But the idea of a transformative God has always been there. And we really need to kind of take that of consideration and say, hey, this seems to be part of our, you know, this is wired into our DNA. Is it wired into our DNA?

because in our ancient past, we as a collective humanity had encountered these creatures. That's very young again. You know, this is the stuff of Carl Jung, the idea of a collective unconscious. But that is the gist of my research. I firmly believe that in our distant past, we had encountered these creatures. They became part of our mythology. And now the question is, is it possible these creatures are still out there? The answer is yes.

I feel that way. But yeah, off the Anubis idea, I just saw, I think it might have been on Instagram. You know how certain things kick. So when something's on Joe Rogan and it hits hard, it tends to just spark a bunch of stuff you see on the internet then. And we had, now I'm drawing blank, Carl, Randall Carlson. Randall Carlson was on Rogan's show. And he started talking about ancient technology and how the, Egyptians might have moved into Egypt and the stuff was already there, the pyramids.

And I believe he said, yeah, because he said that, I think it was him, somebody said about how the sphinx and how the head is like a pharaoh head and stuff, the sphinx was probably already there and they replaced the head with a pharaoh head. And then I saw on Instagram somebody overlaid a dog that would be laying down and it looks very proportionate. And it's like maybe there was a giant Anubis statue already existing there and the Egyptians came in and they're like, I think we're going to replace the doghead with our God, Pharaoh, whatever, you know? Makes sense to me.

It does because if you look at it, the head doesn't seem proportionate to the sphinx as it appears now, right? And I like that idea of these kind of resets, right? These kind of resets within humanity. And we'll take this. I know this is going off the track a little bit, but I think it's something we're talking about, too. So archaeologists and anthropologists, I don't think they like to talk about this, but there is one point in our history that definitely is a reset that people will sometimes

talk about, but a lot of people aren't knowledgeable about. And this was a period called the Younger Dr. And the reason why they call it, it's a little alpine flower that's still in existence now. But at one time, it was prevalent around the world during glaciation. So what happens to the younger dryest? So we're talking about a time after all these great ice sheets had already come back, right? So this was a time whenever there was some superficial farming going on, some animal husbandry going around the world. Probably pigs were being raised at this time, probably chickens.

and there was the signs that humanity was finally getting together and coalescing civilizations. We have places in Russia in the Caucasus Mountains where you even have megalithic structures going on up at this time. So this was a time right around 13,000 to 12,000 years ago. But what happens is as we all, as humanity is getting together, we're starting to form communities, we're starting to not be so much hunter-gathers anymore.

There is a sudden cold spell. And that's the younger driest period. And it lasts for about a thousand years. Now, unlike the ice age that took, you know, thousands of years to happen, this happened in a matter of decades. And we're talking about the temperature dropping to the point that hunter-gathered lifestyle was now necessary again. So imagine, you're a 10-year-old child.

You are brought up in a place where everybody's getting together. There's enough food eat. You know, if you want to eat something, you just go to your backyard. And this kind of stuff was going on. Now the time you're 20, you know, now the source. snows back around again. And you have stories. You have stories about the way it used to be that you tell your children. And by the time you pass away and your children pass away, it's becoming like the game of telephone at this point because we remember the time

whenever we had enough food to eat. It was almost like a paradise sort of thing if you think about it. You know, we didn't have to be afraid of the wild animals because we live in these structures and everything. Now imagine, if you will, you know, this is the time the Yember dryest period only lasted for a very short duration. Now imagine you were part of a hunter-gatherer clan and you come across an abandoned village that was built, you know, several hundred years ago. You would think the giants would have built it because these were great stone structures. You would have think something from another planet would have built it. This is part of our mythology, right, that somehow there was this reset, you know, this, and in this case it was, you know,

a climactic reset, that we were usurped by nature, and our dominance was now replaced by us going, becoming hunter-gatherers again, and wondering about the world, you know, with spears in her hand, after we were already starting rudimentary, you know, planting and everything. So these things do happen, and I think that from an archaeological point of view, an anthropological point of view, we need to keep this in mind. If we know this particular period happened, what's the saying? that our reset didn't happen thousands of years before that, right? I mean, it's very possible.

And so I keep an open mind. And I think, I'd like to think that, you know, according to mainstream archaeology, that we as human beings have been around here for 100,000 years, but we're only to believe that when the last, you know, 25,000 years, we start making an imprint on our society by, you know, painting on rocks and things like that. And then, you know, all of a sudden, 5,000 years ago. we start with pyramids, we start with stone hands, we start with all those other kind of stuff, or is it in fact that we are just rediscovering these kind of things, that we had this huge

lurescing civilization 200,000, 100,000 years ago, then all of a sudden we lost it for whatever reasons. So now we look at these things and marvel, because we forgot about the technology that we had in order to make this kind of stuff happen, you know. from a religious point of view, and I know we have to bring this in, because that does kind of shed weight on who we are as well, too. I remember taking this one class, and it was part of the medieval imagination that the father we get away from the time of creation, the more and more we digress. We go back to our animalistic ways. So there's something to be said there because even the Greeks did this.

You know, we're looking at a non-Jadaio Christian background as well, too. Even the Greeks thought there was these different ages of men, right? We have this golden age, you know, the time of heroes, the time of great art, the time of culture. And now we keep on going back and forth. And now we ended up in the Stone Age. So we, as people now look at the Stone Age was at the very beginning. And now we are to where we are right now. Wouldn't that be something that the Stone Age was just a transition in our great,

You know, our grade march to whatever, which way ever we're going to. That would be amazing. The more, the older I'm getting, the more I'm fascinated by looking into those topics. And just, maybe it's because, you know, when you're a kid, you don't have much history, you know? That's why everything seems to take forever. When you're five years old and you say, well, it's Christmas Day and you're not going to have Christmas again for another year, you're like, that's forever because you only lived five of those, you know? But when you're my age almost 40, it's like, well, that's going to come real fast, you know. And so the perspective.

And so the older I get, the more, I just get more interested in the history of where we come from. And I've always kind of been interested in history. But I guess maybe the weirder I get, the more my interest shift in my historical interests. Right. But maybe let's like a hard shift back to Chestnut Ridge. and maybe we're living in a historical shift within these kind of areas. We know that you can look at the history of these areas and see, you know, the stories coming out of them. And I look at the Chestnut Ridge area, southeastern Pennsylvania.

You mentioned about the Kexburg UFO and how there's been. in, I think you mentioned about dog man sightings in that area. Do you view, and this is going to, listen, we talked about before we started, it's going to go a little woo-woo here. So just feel free to say, I don't believe that. But, you know, I'm going to go there. Do you look at the Chestnut Ridge area, kind of like maybe the Bridgewater Triangle area, where like it's like, it seems like there's geographical locations where there's all this activity happening from different. seemingly different topics like UFOs to dog man to bigfoot to mothman whatever uh do you think that like say the bridgewater triangle to chestnut ridge um i the way i view it is there's some kind of

almost like a thinning of a veil where the weird can peek through a lot easier uh how do you view these geogragrat because you mentioned about how you might revisit the idea of how geology plays into all this um How do you view that stuff? Because it does seem like there's a pattern of very specific areas that have a lot of weird stuff happening. That's right. That's right. Well, I'm glad you brought up about the Bridgewater Triangle because a couple weeks ago, I actually got to investigate several places in the Bridgewater Triangle.

And what's odd is, you know, you'll drive into the Bridgewater Triangle area. And in the woods, you'll find ancient burial ground from the settlers there to date of the 1640s, right? And then there was Indian burial grounds dating back to the Wapenog, you know, well before the white man came. So this was a place of burial and this was a place where it was excluded from like the normal world of the living, right? It was always a sacred place. Like the wall, you know, the wapenog named for the Huckabuckabunk Swamp is the place where spirits dwell or spirits walk. So it seems as even in the native tongue that this was not a place for the living. This was a place set apart from. But as people expand into the area, you know, they become less superstitions

and everything. But yes, I think that that's what's going on. And I think that these great triangles that we have has always been set aside from the very beginning. And it's only now that we start, you know, like I said, thrusting off these ideas of superstition. And whenever that happens, people move into these areas, these are the things that we encounter. Right. And the idea of the bell between two worlds, I think that's very, very adequate. Are these places where portals exist? or these places that are naturally occurring places where earth energy is there to allow these kind of doors to open another worlds. And I think that that is truly the possibility of what we're talking about here. Not only the possibility, but maybe even the plausibility, why so many things are being seen but nothing's being captured.

It seems as if something can enter into these worlds, these triangles, be flesh and blood there for whatever amount of time. and then return to their own world. So we can get evidence, but we don't have the physicality that we need. And the idea of ghost as well, too, and the other thing that we didn't talk about either is the idea of fairies as well. We in America don't like to talk about fairies because they seem, you know, we have this Victorian imagination. But whenever you look at it from the original point of view,

the way it would have been, you know, in the Middle Ages, you know, fairies, these kind of elementals that are spirits within the landscape itself. I think it makes tremendous sense when we talk about these things as well, too. Maybe we are dealing with earth energies itself that is not, you're not seeing Bigfoot, you're not seeing Dogman, but you're being acted upon by some force that's making you think that you're seeing these creatures. That's the reason why we don't want any photographs. You just, you hit the button for me.

When you're like, it might be portals. I'm like, yes. No. Well, so whenever I say these kind of things, like, you know, it's, oh, that's a guy's opinion. That doesn't make any sense. So I try to find some sort of empirical evidence that would suggest that other people thought this way. And Renee DeCard, you know, who wrote the Cartesian theories and stuff like that, he had the

idea that, yes, indeed, the mind can play that way, that we are kind of a blank slate in there. And it's possible that we. that we are kind of like the directors of our own films. And of course, this is going back before it was films, but I mean, I'm using these analogies. But the idea that we have within us, our reality exists right in our brain.

And if there are energies out there that can somehow impress themselves within that energy of our brain, you know, we talk about things like infrasound. Is it possible that this kind of infrasounds that are being used to play within us some sort of image or some sort of, you know, some sort of paradigm that will keep us out of a particular area or whatever. So these are the things that I'm working on right now.

The idea that our mind can be affected by these beings, these elementals, whatever, and allow us to see things because that's a great way to be elusive. That's a great way to be territorial without being a confrontation, you know, that's a way as well, too. And we know a little about Infrasound because it has a military aspect. And we know if we place certain types of frequencies, we get feelings of what has been called, you know, paranormal thoughts, you know, hearing voices or seeing images, you know, something like that. So it's very possible that what we call the paranormal experience, the supernatural experiences, actually being worked on intentionally towards us by these forces within the natural world.

And maybe these forces exist within these triangles. And these triangles then indeed are the portals. we're talking about. What you're describing is awesome because I have recently been talking about this when I can. And I don't know how to put my thoughts together on it. And I've just been calling it very simply a mind portal. And I really, like I was thinking about this. I would say the time of this recording is July 3rd, 2003.

And I would say in the fall of 2022, I started thinking about this stuff. And I really started talking about the Mine Portal in January of 2023. When I released an episode, it was 510. And I called it Interdimensional Dog Man or something like that. And it's a story of a guy, his name Hunter. And the people listening are familiar with this. So I'll just go quickly on it. But, He's here in Tennessee with me, about three hours from me, and he has this terrible nightmare that he perceived as a nightmare. And he wakes up, he's sitting up in his bed, sweating. He notices that he is handprints and scratches on his back. And logically, you could say, well, you had a nightmare. You did it yourself, dude. Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself, you know?

And he tells his wife about it, and he carries on. A few days later, he is walking out in the woods with his son, who's 11 years old at the time. And I should probably rewind and tell the story real quick. The dream was he was in his dream out in the woods with his family. And there was a dog man standing there and looked at him, looked at his family, and started going at his family. And he runs, gets between the dog man and his family, and the thing starts tearing him to pieces. And he wakes up in his bed and he has these bruises all over him. so he's out in the woods with his son a few days later and he and his son both see an upright

standing dog staring at him and he's like it was the exact same dog that was in my dream and they they run out of there this thing i believe i remember correctly pursues them but it doesn't get them and i told and that's another thing that is so woo woo weird about this because if there's a natural creature and it's chasing you, it's going to get you, just like a cougar, a bear, a bobcat is going to catch you. And if there's an upright walking dog that's chasing after you, that's eight feet tall, it's going to get you if it wants to get you, but it didn't. And there's something weird about that.

It's almost like there's rules and laws that are a play that they can't do certain things. But I started calling it the Mind Portal. Like, there's something about our mind that allows these things to manifest. And it's not the only time I've heard this. And there's also like this bridge that I talk about too. And I don't know how to explain it, but I think there's, there's, I don't think there's just one other realm or reality, but let's just keep it to two, ours and another one. There's a bridge and these things cross over on the bridge.

And sometimes we cross over on the bridge. And sometimes maybe it's the dream state or something like it where we're on the bridge. We're not in this world. We're not in another world. We're somewhere in the middle, on this bridge where between realities. And these things meet us there. And if we leave to come back to this realm and we don't close that door fast enough or somehow do these things come through? It's just something that.

And I don't, listen, you're the researcher. You clearly have done research on things and you're an academic. I'm a former truck driver with a podcaster. So I have a limited vocabulary. But this is how I feel inside, man. Yeah. Well, I think that was the most eloquently I've ever heard that. And I'm never heard of anything called Online Portal.

And I think that makes, that's a beautiful sense. And that sums up absolutely everything that we have just been talking about. Because a lot of people don't understand that, you know, as I talked about before, the reality really is subjective. My reality is different than your reality. You know, people that go ghost hunting, you know, sometimes they see something, sometimes other people don't see them. As I've been researching more and more, I've come to this conclusion. I've come to the conclusion that almost any time there is an encounter or there is some sort of experience, it almost is as if it has to ask you permission if that makes any sense.

There's almost as if there is a circuit that's required that you have to flip a switch in order to this come into a manifestation, right? Right. That's something that you and I have to work on there, Tony. This is something we have to figure out what's going on. Because if that is indeed the case, then the idea of shamanism, you know, that's another thing that I'm very interested in. The idea that the shaman was just a normal, more everyday person that could cross that bridge. See, these beautiful terms that you came up to, that he was able to, within his mind, enter another state of being. and through that becomes a conduit to the other world where there are answers that we do not have in this world.

And that's beautifully said because that is where we meet the other. That is the liminal space of our humanity. That is going to places where the animal exists or the primal or the fury or the natural. If we are indeed the reason by going into that bridge to that mine portal, now we are experiencing the chaos and what do we do with that?

See, these are all great things and actually kind of gives me goosebumps because I love talking to you about this. And we can probably go on for hours and hours. But as far as a researcher right now, that is really where I'm kind of, you know, putting all my cards right now. This is where I'm coming from. And I know that would probably ostracize me from a lot of people, but this is the only thing that makes not only academic sense, but sense to me as somebody that has experienced things myself. The only way I can describe it to you, it was a very personal type of thing that had happened to me,

and there's no other way that I can explain it to you or explain it to me. And whenever I'm at conferences and people come up to me, the things that they tell me is an experience that was essential and unique to them. It happened to them, and as if it's a verb, as if there's an action upon them. And that is, you know, that's five other shows. those in and of themselves. I'm sure.

Well, what experience are you referencing? What did you go through? Okay, so this is a very, two experiences that I had that I can share with involving white anomalies. Okay. So the first time I was on investigation with one other researcher and we were going to an area where there was purported werewolf activity, dogman activity. So we were walking and it was probably around midnight.

And all of a sudden, the air around us starts looking like static electricity, like whenever you pull a blanket off of a bed. There's all the static electricity going on. And the way we were in, we were on an old abandoned bridge, an old railway bridge. And we were out in the middle of the bridge, and we were starting to get freaked out about this. So we wanted to get back to our car, which was about a mile away. But the only way to get back to our car is by, you know, turning and going out the bridge and going the one way in and the one way out. It was the same way. So as we turn back to go back, a light illuminates for a split second.

It looks almost like a flare going on and it just kind of dances into existence and then flares out again. And we thought, what's going on here? There was anything like this before. But we knew we had to go that way in order to get out. So as we go that way, where we hit the area where we saw the light adomily, now something is off in the woods beside us. as if whatever that light was allowed this thing to now become manifested in our world. We didn't see anything, mind you. We didn't see anything.

But we heard something following us in the woods. Now, the really scary thing, and of course we went down there with the preconceived notion that we were looking for Bigfoot. But the thing was, though, whenever we kind of compared our experience, within our mind's eye, we saw the same things, yellow eyes, you know, nothing, not a whole thing. full body form, but this is what our minds or maybe even our instincts was telling us. We saw these yellow eyes. We saw us now. We saw teeth. We knew that was ever in those woods that was following us was a predator, right? And we were its prey. And as we found the road to get back to our car, whatever this was, again, you talked about not approaching us. We never saw it, but it stayed in the woods and you can hear it snarling, right?

You can tell that it was upset with us finding our way back because through some sort of unspoken agreement, it could not enter into the area where we were at, right? If that makes any sense, which it doesn't, but that's the thing that made sense to Maine. I've always been fascinated by these light anomalies, these kind of, you know, if this was a few hundred years ago, we would call them spook lights,

and back in the Middle Ages, they would be called fairy lights. But these lights that seem to emanate out of nowhere and have an intelligence to them. I was doing the series with Seth Three Glove for Small Town Oncers called a Satch Watch Uncovered the Ridge, which was focusing on the Chestnut Ridge. This was the first season.

And this is one of those rare things whenever investigation was filmed and these things show up. So it was the very second episode of that series and you can find them on YouTube for free. We were out of the woods looking for Bigfoot. We hear a couple strange things. maybe how, maybe, you know, would not, maybe, you know, nothing definitive.

But then we start hearing a sound that sounds like wind chimes. Now we're talking about the idea of frequency coming into play, right? Something going on or some sort of frequency coming into play. So we see these three lights moving in the woods. And we just assume that they were, you know, cell phones or something like that illuminated. These three lights are moving through the woods and all of a sudden they start going up into the air, up into the trees. So there's something very, very strange going on.

There were two cameras rolling. Everybody got to see these things. And was this that these lights were playing cat and mouse with us. At the end of the day, if we were doing a ghost investigation, we would have seen orbs. A UFO investigation, this would have been UFOs. You know, all these kind of things coming to existence when we're looking for Bigfoot. If this was around a religious area, this could have been a religious experience, right?

So it seems as if the whole paranormal is tied up in this kind of gray area. And every now and then, if the conditions are right or if they allow themselves to be manifested, we could enter into their world or they enter into our world. But those are the two things that really have kind of set me along this idea as well, too. The idea of this light, which is a frequency in and of itself, and the sound that we heard producing a frequency as well too. these might be the keys that open up these doorways into another realm. And again, I still get goosebumps thinking about this all the time.

But it's not the first time, not the second time. I've experienced these lights many, many times. That's really interesting. So people ask me, because I think orbs are just so common that people, that's one of the number one things I get asked about is, what do you think orbs are? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. I think it's a light that you saw.

Like, outside of that, I don't know what to tell you because there's so much to it. And what you're presenting here has my mind turning. And it's a unique direction that I would like to just put out right now before I forget. Anybody that's listening right now that might have had some kind of light orb experience followed immediately, not a day or so. I'm talking about that night, that day. immediately followed by physical activity, whether it's a sighting of a creature or hearing something paralleling you, please reach out to us because this is a line of thinking that I'm very interested in

because what if, let's just say, let's just lay the groundwork here to start. Orbs can be anything. We don't know what they are, but we're going to go a specific direction here on this conversation. What if orbs are the vehicle between realms? And, I mean, we're talking about something interdimensional. So throw law of physics and physical dimensions out the window. If you see an orb that's the size of a softball and then you have a dog man encounter, it doesn't mean the dog man couldn't have come from the orb. Because we're talking about parallel universes.

We're talking about transcending dimensions. And we don't know what that vehicle looks like to do so. But what if we do? And let's go into some Bigfoot talk with this too, because my buddy West at Sasquatch Chronicles, when they had their Bigfoot encounter, they went out to the same exact area. And I was just out there two, three months ago shooting a film on the scene. So I know exactly where his encounter happened. And I know exactly where these lights happened. And they are very close.

I'm talking less than a quarter mile. they go out to do their investigation stuff, you know, because when he had this experience, he was enamored by it. They go out there and they're on a bridge and there's this light floating above the water. And he has it on video and it will be in the film. And then they yell out to it, hey, and they eventually see this light go up a hill. And I've seen the hill in daylight. It's very steep. And there is no trick. And there is no trick. It's covered in trees, but this thing just moved up the hill, no problem, and it was gone. And it's the same exact area that this bigfoot, crazy Bigfoot encounter happened.

And I personally have experienced similar things that he experienced that night when we were out there. Our last night, like Wes talks about when he was sitting in the car, that he heard a growl, but also felt the growl. It was said it was in the car with him. I don't know if it might have been in the car with him. And it just isn't understandable because we're thinking physical. So we're getting back on our RV and we took our RV almost up to the location.

I mean, it was probably, I would say, 500 feet away from the location itself. And it's the last night there. We're getting back in the RV. This is why we need a second cameraman. The cameraman gets back in the RV. everybody's getting on. And the reason why he's back on the RV just so people understand is that he's trying to film us

getting back on the RV. Me and Joel are the last ones to get on and we hear a deep, very deep growl. And it sounded like it was just over our shoulder. And we turned around and look, nothing. We look behind the RV, nothing.

But that's exactly what West describes happening in that area. West saw the light in that area. we didn't see that light in the area but we did connecting more dots to what you brought up and I think it was a bug okay in my gut I think it's a bug

but there's some members of my team that are not convinced it was a bug we might have caught a fey on camera it was a it was a it was a it was a night vision camera and so it's hard to tell

what you're seeing but I have to to look back at the video to see what my reaction was. In my mind's eye, I get confused between the screen reality and my reality of what I was experiencing. But I feel like we didn't see it unless it was on the camera. But anyways, we catch it on camera. It flies up to our camera, flies off screen, and then comes back and goes right back to where it came from into the woods. And it appears when it comes out of the woods. But it's wings. And it's wings. And I legs and at first you're like, is that what I think it is? And I'm looking at it and I'm like,

I'm going to go with bug because unless I know otherwise, but there are people on my team who really believe it was a fay and the jury's still out. And so I don't know if it's going to be in the film or not. But if it's in the film, it's in the film. But anyways, I bring that up because again, we got specific location with a lot of weird going on. And, And these lights might be a vehicle on that. So I love that. And hopefully it is because a lot of times people will get these things and they don't include it. I know whenever I did, you know, the one on small-time monsters, that was not the reason that the show was out there filming.

But I think they should have said, okay, we're not going to look for Bigfoot at this point. We're going to focus on this anomaly. But, you know, people have agendas and everything like that. And it still turned up to be a good series. But I'm going to put this out to you and your listeners as well, too. In places where I've investigated that have a lot of Bigfoot encounters and a lot of UFO encounters, here in the Chestnut Ridge, it goes to a place called Fayette County. In West Virginia, where there's the Newtown Gorge, yeah, the New River Gorge,

that's also a Fayette County there as well, too. And all these places around the country were very abnormal and, you know, strange things go who things happen often have the word Fayette attached to them and that actually is a French word that means little fairy

so is it possible that when people went into these areas they named it Fayette as a warning to stay away rather than as a nice little name so it's almost like Kirby Dragon so that's one of the things I'm looking at as well too

because names mean something right so is it possible that whenever people weren't into these areas a couple hundred years ago they named it fayette because they were getting the same experiences. I love this conversation. That's really interesting.

I mean, obviously I know Fay County, and there's so much weird stuff going on there. In fact, I think I have an interview with a lady named Melissa, Missy, something like that. I can't remember. It's years ago where she moved back into her mom's house and the activity that goes on in her mom's house every night, repeatable.

These things coming up to the house, these creatures. But I don't remember the details of the story. I should reach out to her again. I don't remember the details of the story exactly. But I remember her reaching out to me before I was podcasting. And when I was just running my Facebook group, I had a Pennsylvania Sasquatch Research group. And she told me this woo-woo weird stuff about Bigfoot.

And I was like, Bigfoot's not like that. And I was like, this lady's crazy. And then a few years later, she emails. And I don't think she realized that she had already talked to me through that group. I don't think she remembered that. And I remember her. And I was like, I feel like I remember these stories being crazier. I'm like, I think I've changed.

But she talks about these lights coming up to the door and this woo-wooey stuff with the big foot. And I was like, yeah, that makes perfect sense. Back in the day, I was like, no way. That's right. look, I am so flattered with you asked me on the show and I know that you're a busy man

and I don't want to seem like oh, you want to have me on again but I would love to talk to you just to show about nothing but Earthlights or nothing about Ferries because I have a book out called on Ferries,

which is an exhaust of 80,000 word piece of literature that I put out there to really try to connect the dots all around the world and I have another book out called Earthlights and intellectual inquiry

that's not been, it's still what the publisher has not been out yet. But I would, these things, things are my passion right now. And after going out in the woods looking for footprints and looking all this kind of stuff, this fascinates me far more because I think that if we are going to get to the crux of what's going on, for getting to the root of what's going on,

this is where the answer is like. Or if not the answer is at least not, there's always going to be question marks at the end of day of my friend, but at least we're getting a little bit closer to what truth is out there. Absolutely. And we'll definitely, we definitely will have you back on to talk about that. And I'm sure other things is the way this conversation, station way we jumped back and forth from we went from uh pennsylvania to egypt and back yeah so let me just bring this up real quick because i know you wrote you mentioned about you wrote a book about um about witches and uh i i think that that is something that like witches should be looked at as well and i don't know how you feel about the idea of modern witches and where you feel

what you think on all that stuff. But I know witches. You know, it's part of the perks of the job. So I talk to witches sometimes. And I actually am in communication with a witch who claims to have open portals or I should say she tells me she closes portals, but I think she opens them too. And I have a friend who told me that he was talking with a witch and she was in a school of mystery learning how to do witchcraft. And they were learning how to open portals. And she said, they opened a portal and an upright walking dog came through. Wow.

What say you to that? Wow. Wow. That is some scary stuff. Hey, and you know what? You know, in the Middle Ages, Satan was often represented as a wolf, you know, the idea of this predatory animal. And I think so you and I've been in the field, I'm about to know that there are people out there. that can do strange things, right?

Whatever the reason, you know, which people are able to manipulate the world around them for whatever reason or by whatever means. And I've often said there's, there are the idea of portals. And I think some of them are natural and some of them are through intentions. And the ones that are through intentions are the ones that are most scary to me, because you have no idea what the intentions are that opened up that portal, right? Because it's kind of like just giving a, throwing a key out there. And your hope that the stranger that finds that key is going to,

going to be a good nature person that opens up that door, but anything could open up that door. And I think a lot of places that are called haunted or, you know, even possessed or, you know, infiltrated by these kind of creatures may indeed have been a portal that somebody opened. They simply have no idea on how to close. Yeah. I mean, so haunted locations, uh, but even like you said, possessed, that goes back to the mine portal. Did you not close the portal door and something came through?

Uh, and it's just there's, there's a lot, uh, of interest and even with the lights that we were talking about. And I was saying how it could be a vehicle. When I was saying, I didn't use the proper, like, what I'm saying vehicle, I'm saying, like, maybe that is a portal in itself, the vehicle, you know? And so, um, it's just, there's, there's so much to consider and look through and, and just, and that's what, that's why I like doing this show, the way I've built the show is I just think out loud. There's a lot of times that I have ideas on the show that I share publicly that I just came to me at that moment. And, and, And really, this show has been such a blessing for me because it allows me to brainstorm in the moment.

And then I get to record those brainstorms. And that's the way I do things. And so, Ron, this conversation went way better than I even could have imagined. And so I am very much looking forward to having me back on plenty of times. And we're going to do this again for sure. I'll be flout. And if you ever get up to my neck of the woods, let's go out and see if we can get in this of these ferry lights. Absolutely. And your neck of the woods is again, remind me?

I'm in Westmoreland County, so I'm right outside of Pittsburgh. Gotcha. Oh, for some reason, I was thinking you were in Massachusetts. Why was I thinking? No, no, no. I'm right here Western Pennsylvania. I felt like you started there and then you, and I was like, and he moved away. So you're still in Western PA? Still here. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Listen, I'll tell you what. I hardly come to Pennsylvania now, but I will be going into the Virginia's, West Virginia doing some some funky stuff. If I ever get up there, though, I need a personal tour of the weird stuff in the area. You will get that, my friend, I assure you. Awesome, man. Well, before we get out of here, let people know where they can get your content and where they

can find you again. All right. So yeah, so visit me on, you know, social media, Ronald Murphy, you know, friend me, whatever the case may be. You can go to my author page, Ronald L. Murphy, Junior on Facebook as well too. And Amazon, you can get my books on Amazon. And if you're out about the last weekend of this month, I will be at the Texburg Festival, along with San Gordon there. So I'll be there at the end of the month. And of course, come, come, what is at the end of August, right?

Beginning of September, we will be at the Dogman Conference number two outside of Dallas, Texas. Hopefully, you're going to be there too, right? No, I'm not going to be there. Oh, my goodness. It's all right, though. I actually swore off traveling outside of Tennessee for the rest of the year, at least over nights.

I'll make one exception, and that's to hunt down a treasure connected to ancient ruins. That one I might do. Nice. I've just done so much traveling out of state. I just wanted to stay close to home. Well, if anybody here in Western Pennsylvania, you're traveling into Gettysburg, not this Friday, but next Friday, I'll be in Gettysburg for three days. and on Saturday I'll be giving a talk about vampires.

Oh my gosh. We're going to talk about vampires again. We're going to do vampires. We're going to do your witches. We're going to do the lights. We're going to talk about whatever. It's going to be fun. I can't wait to talk to you again.

I can't. It's been a pleasure and it's been so long to get together. It was like pounding that bottle of ketchup and whatever it finally comes up. It's the best takes than ketchup in the world. I agree. On that note, that's the show, everybody. Well, that's a show, but I really hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, share the show with your friends.

care where or how you share the show. Just share the show if you enjoyed it. That's the best thing you can do to help the show grow, share the show. And don't forget the shape of shadows. That is the film we're coming out with on August 19th, 2003 at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, exclusively premiering on the shape of shadows.com. That is also where you can get your VIP or VIP Plus tickets, The Shape of Shadows.com. That's the name of the film. And we're going to be going live with the premiere on August 19th, 2003. I hope you can be there. And until next week, friends, stay safe, take care, and remember the truth will set you

free, but first, it'll piss you off. Bye.