The Confessionals - 572: The Shadows of the Uinta Basin

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

In Episode 572: The Shadows of the Uinta Basin, we jump into a collection of intriguing narratives that have been passed down within the Uinta Basin. Our journey leads us to the stories recounted by Bow Standing Rock and Johnny, who were Native Americans that graciously guided us through the mesmerizing landscapes of the Uinta Basin during the production of our documentary, "The Shape Of Shadows," just last year.During our conversation, Bow's enthralling account of an eerie encounter with otherworldly humanoid figures takes center stage. He recounts an incident where he found himself pursued by a multitude of beings alongside a group of strangers. Moreover, Bow shares his unique ability to perceive realms beyond our own and even has seen what many would deem a Thunderbird, all within the heart of the Uinta Basin.Amidst our dialogue, we explore a multitude of topics, ranging from the mysterious water babies to the elusive skinwalkers and even horsemen. This episode serves as a portal into a world where reality and lore collide, where the echoes of ancient tales continue to reverberate throughout the lands of the Uinta Basin.The Shape Of Shadows Tickets:https://www.theshapeofshadows.com/The Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinCome Meet Tony:LIVE SHOW in Gatlinburg, TN!Tickets: https://bit.ly/3IC4IkxWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0SPONSORSThis episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give onlinetherapy a try at betterhelp.com/yup and get on your way to being your best self.GET Private Internet Access: piavpn.com/confessionalsGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals50" for 50% off plus the first box ships for free!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET FIRSTLEAF: tryfirstleaf.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelAre you a military veteran struggling with thoughts of suicide?Contact Watchman Readiness Corps for REAL help. A veteran-run organization that is designed to help through hands-on survival training.Website: wrc.vetEmail: [e-mail]: [phone]Instagram: wrc_survivalFacebook: colbywrcvet

Merkel Media This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill but no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long, boning fingers reach up underneath the door curl up to grab it and then disappear

When he came over to me dude he slithered over to me and this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen and he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Something pulling at my leg, and I look over, and there are two small gray entity. I'm getting pulled off. It's bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster.

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overtimes and members get those as well. So if you're interested in all that bonus, good, good, go ahead and check it out. Theconfessionalspodcast.com, hit the join button and become a member. Now, friends, this week is a different type of show. We do not have one particular guest on the show. This is a show that I am putting together myself because this is a big. time week. We are releasing the shape of shadows, the film that me and my team went out to Utah to shoot and document our experience in the Uinta Basin on Space Wolf Research. You guys heard Ryan Burns on last week's episode. He brought the heat and we're trying to wrap it up this week with another show to inform you on what we were doing, the legends, the lure out there in the

Uinta Basin and it was a trip, friends. And so if you're interested in being part of the premiere event, the event that we are hosting this Saturday, August 19th, at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. You want to get your tickets only at the shape of shadows.com. That's the shape of shadows.com. You can get your VIP ticket and your VIP ticket plus. The plus they get t-shirts as well. A limited edition t-shirt mailed directly to you of the shape of shadows logo. If you're interested in this wild event that we're going to have where we're premiering the film plus a Q&A afterwards with me and my team. talking about our experiences, answering your questions. You want to be there at the shape of shadows.com

this weekend. Get your VIP tickets now because, well, it's virtual. So we're not going to sell out. You can come, even if it's last minute. I don't care. But today we have a great guest to start things off. We have the producer of the film, The Shape of Shadows film. We have Joseph Granda. How are you, sir? I'm good. Good to see it. Man, I'm glad you're here. So Joseph, man, we, we, you and I, we started talking after you and I interviewed each, well, I interviewed you for episode 420, I believe. Yeah, because every time I say, you're like, easy to remember. Everybody remembers 420. So, I mean, your story was wild. And we started talking, building a

relationship and stuff. But I had never physically been around you, met you, until this experience where we went out to Utah and to shoot this film. You were the producer for that film. You come to Merkel Media with a wilder. range of skills, abilities, and experience. And my first time interacting with you in person was there, though. And heading out there, you got there a day early. And so I'm still going out there. And you're calling us, telling us that you're having some pretty radical experiences around you, but also physically. And part of me was just like, this guy's pulling my leg. Like, I think he's just trying to fit in, be part of the crew and it's trying to, you know, maybe not lie.

but, you know, extend the truth a little bit. But it turns out you absolutely were not because of, well, I'll let you tell the story of what happened and stuff out there. But you came on the team and you were a big help, a big boost in this film. And you had your own personal experiences. Yeah, I mean, I'm not, if you know me now, I'm not one to make stuff up. In fact, all this, you know, paranormal stuff in Bigfoot and UFOs was sort of, I guess, I would guess I was, agnostic about it, you know, whatever, it sounded like fun, it sounded neat. You know, and since then, this is the, I've since done two other films with you.

One's a feature film that's a narrative film and then another documentary. So we've got a great slate of entertainment coming from Merkel Media in 2024. Yeah, so I went on a day early as a producer should, usually, to scout and check things out. And I'd done a bunch of research. I'd watched a bunch of Skinwalker Ranch shows, which seemed overly produced to say, to say kindly. Yeah, so it was, I got there to about one o'clock on a Sunday, and I was with one of the camera guys. And we were, it was like 100 degrees. And anyways, I'll spare the long story because you really got to see the film because you'll get to see the footage.

But I stood there right next to him, and something came out of the sky, flew really. right across the frame and then right back up into the sky. And we filmed the whole thing, which really piqued my interest about, you know, and I tried to call. Well, the first thing I did is I got a hold of an oranthologist, which is someone who studies birds and sent him the footage and talked to him about the area. And he goes, looking from where you, that's not a bird.

It's way too fast. It's way too big. There's no birds even that could have, that are very big in the, in the basin. And so, and I think that that same thing came back and we got footage of that too in the shape of shadows that we got at night because we were all freaking out. I was freaking out. So, especially today with all the UFO going on in government and in the media, I personally, I really think that there's something to something in the sky. But more importantly, when I got there and I had been for six months prior, I was wearing a big metal. knee brace awaiting for the opportunity to have a knee replacement, which was, my knee was very,

very painful. I had to take Tylenol all the time. If I didn't wear the brace, I didn't, I couldn't walk for very long, because my knee was bone-on-bone. And I didn't recognize this, but some of the guys in the crew came up to me and said, why aren't you wearing your brace? and it had not occurred to me that I wasn't wearing my brace. It's a big metal brace. I put it on the morning.

And I got to tell you, the whole time I was there on Space Wolf Research, I didn't have to wear my brace. In fact, I didn't wear it even for almost two weeks when I came back. And then it started hurting. And I've since had a knee replacement surgery. And it's great now. But the time I was out there and for about two weeks back here, even my wife was saying, oh, you're not wearing your bracelet.

I'm like, yeah, my knees. I didn't make the correlation until we had some conversations with people who know the area, who know the basin, especially Johnny who's in the movie, who's a member of the Ute tribe, told us about the energies that come up through the ground. And I think that's some of the stuff that possibly why, I mean, CIA was out there at one time and FBI. But my whole experience, along with that minor, temporary healing is that what I discovered is even after knowing all about Skinwalker Ranch and all the shows is that whatever's going on out there isn't isn't jailed to Skinwalker Ranch.

It's the whole area. It's the whole area because when I arrived there on Sunday, first off, I'd never been there. I didn't know anybody there. People just started showing up as if they were like called to come and see us. They started telling us about that massive container that had been picked up and moved and struck by lightning. I mean, we got, that's in the film. It was a very, very weird experience, which moved me to commit more, even more, to Merkel Media and making more films and exploring these topics. Yeah, and I'm very grateful for that.

So if it took you going through some paranormal experiences for that, perfect. but I listen this was something that I thought was fascinating because for me like so you know when we do this show and we listen to people's stories you kind of there's no way to really prove their story right or wrong you know a lot of times people were counting what they've been through and you know you make a decision to take their word forward or you the listeners maybe don't listen you know to believe every person's story but every once in a while you hear a story that you can pull threads and you can start, you know, looking into and you're like, oh, wait a second, this actually does match up. And in a sense,

that's what I experienced with you where I didn't know you. And like, we've just met each other. And you're talking about how your knee is perfectly healthy right now. You're feeling great. I'm like, well, I didn't know you with the brace on. Like I didn't know, I didn't see you limping around. And I didn't, you know, oh, you had this, this surgery. Well, it's out you did have a surgery. And the whole week that I was there with you, you weren't wearing a brace. And you seemed fine. And so it kind of goes back to a lot of things that Ryan Burns was talking about on last week's show where people are having physical, bodily physical reactions to being in that area. And he was talking about more negative effects. But then there's the positive

I had that experience too, though. What's that? There was that one area that. dipped down by the fence that every time I went and stood in it, I felt like I was going to throw up. I do remember that. Yep. And nobody else, which is weird because my knee felt better. When I went to that one dip that over, it actually, the Mesa part that overlooked the Skinwalker Ranch, I felt like I was going to throw up. It was the weirdest thing. I could walk away and then walk right there and I fogged him.

And again, that's, I can't remember his name, but I believe he's in the film too, is the archaeologist. explains about the energy source underneath. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, so he was talking a lot about, like, magnetic anomalies and things like that. And I was just thinking about with you. I mean, maybe, you know, the same anomaly that was affecting you with your knee was also affecting you in the negative way as well. And maybe it doesn't affect everybody because not everybody is wired to even perceive

the effects. I don't know. because I have a bad back and I think I still had a bad back while I was out there. I wish I would have had some kind of healing properties that week, right? But it's a very interesting thing that the land provides. Ryan was talking last week about how after we left, the property had split open and they were able to drop cameras down. And then like the next day, the land just closed up.

like there was nothing there and it's just like what the heck is going on and so whatever is causing the the ground to open up i imagine that kind of stuff might have been something that affected your knee too and stuff i mean did it make you a believer in in the area or at least uh somebody that questions maybe there is something to this crap well um yeah but mostly because of what i saw us film, Christian and I film in broad daylight. It was, you know, and I know that

one of the Ute tribe chiefs said, oh yeah, those are the sky people. They're here performing for you because they know you're here. I was like, oh, okay, cool. Can they not follow me home? You know? Yeah, probably not something you can negotiate. We were talking about hitchhiker effect and things

like that. So fortunately, as far as I can recall nobody had a hitchhiker effect from that experience. Maybe we did from the first film, but not the second. But yeah, Joseph, you mentioned about Johnny. Later in this episode, people are going to be able to hear Johnny. I have some audio from when we were walking down by the river. And he was talking about the different creatures that pop up in that area, including the water babies. And we're right. And the redheaded cannibals. The redheaded cannibals, water babies, horsemen. Like, I mean, it's just the area is rich with legends and lore. And we're going to now

transition into the first clip of Bo's Standing Rock. Now, Bo's Standing Rock is somebody who contacted me well before we decided to go to Space Wolf Research to do a documentary. And it just so happened that it lined up where him and I were set to schedule to record shortly before I left to go to Utah. And I was like, wow, this is pretty synchrony. And so I held on to that interview. And the unfortunate thing is that somehow, I don't know what happened when I interviewed him over a year ago. The audio files were kind of crappy. But not all of them. Maybe this is paranormal itself. But yeah, that's, yeah, because I know what he talked about. So possibly it is. There's a lot of electronic stuff that I've since learned over the last year and a half with you guys that technology plays a big part in the paranormal. Big time. Absolutely big time. But, uh, Jack has been working aimlessly, not aimlessly, but he's been working hard on tirelessly, as the way I'm looking for, on getting these clips together so that we have some of those highlights from the interview that I had with him that were still pretty good.

And so this first one is him going into some of his early childhood life, talking about shadow people, but more importantly, his ability to see into other realms simultaneously. And then later on we get into his other. experiences where he had actually encountered creatures. And people will be able to see Bo Standing Rock in this film as well because Bo and Johnny are both natives on the reservation. And they both came out separately to investigate with us some of the things we found on the property. And so here we go with Bo Standing Rock, the first clip of Bo Standing Rock talking about him being able to see into other realms. Let's start off with the shadows and the ghostly people and spirits.

where are you seeing these things? What are these experiences that you've had there? Man, it's like, I can't say it's an everyday thing. It's every now and then. But like, you know, people have stuff flashed on to them. And as far as I like, remember, I could see them. I could see these things. I could, you know, feel these things and connect with them.

and even if it's not, you know, like visible to other people, they definitely feel it, you know, like the heaviness on your shoulders or the stress and anger is you don't even know what you have. Just the overwhelming emotional burden on people, I feel it. I feel what's on them. I could feel what they're struggling through. I just didn't know how to handle it, if that makes sense. I didn't know how to take the next step and talk to this person about what they're going through because I didn't have a background in, you know, spiritual therapy or anything like that.

All I could do, even up to this point, is like, hey, you know, are you okay? That's like the best thing. But like the shadows, spirits, people, latched onto people. or, you know, seeing, man, just seeing people walk around and they're not there. You know, that's always been a thing. Or, you know, I work at a grocery store, you know, just seeing, yeah, like seeing the people that aren't even there coming around, talking, making noise. There have been other experiences where people have heard these things around me, even though I know what it was. was. It was just kind of leaking out, you know, like how you have people have experiences where

they hear things or see things, you know, I can literally see the context of what's going on. So I just don't see that moment. I could see literally from when it started to where it ended. So with that said then, are you, you're able to see, let's just say you're able to see this realm and other realms simultaneously. That's what you're saying. yeah yeah okay um and i could feel the passing of uh i guess feel the passing of you know different realms if that makes sense that they feel the passing of different domains i guess like different energies where they where they kind of like to stay um so so uh do you you feel like almost as if you're passing through different realms.

Is that what you mean? Yeah, in a sense, like the realms that people create. I think I said in the email, like people creating energies, humans create energy. I guess if energies are a proper way of explaining it, but they create positive, negative,

you know, energies, and they're able to create in a sense a sort of like domain or a temple or something around them spirits on the other hand

are able to do that you know you could feel tension even when you even if you don't have this you know like if you walk into a creepy place you know you could feel that

you could feel that eerieness you know around you that's the same feeling I get when I you know walk around and I feel something I'm like, wait, something's here. This is whatever this place is, there's definitely something here.

Or if I see something, I could feel them before they even come around. It's like, you know, it's like somebody looking at you, and then you look at that person, you feel them, you feel their eyes looking at you. It's kind of the, I guess, the same concept of these realms or places. places that these things create. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Listen, as a former trucker, I have had plenty of time spent alone with my thoughts, though

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slash yupp today to get 10% off your first month that's better help help.com slash yupp so creatures moving through the woods are we talking about bigfoot here uh okay not exactly well okay then talk to me what what did you see what'd you experience what do you think it is oh man so yeah uh last year um the beginning of june all right so the beginning of June in the Uinta Basin here, a Uint Basin, again, just in case you forget, there is a place called Uinta Canyon. It's a big, amazing place that's so beautiful up there. So I was at the trailhead of the Uinta Canyon.

It has a horse place, you know, you could top your horses or whatever. There's a lot of parking, whatever. it's a trailhead. What else do you need? But I was like maybe about, I don't know, like, 1,500 feet away from like the main start of the trailhead. I was like chilling in my hammock, just relaxing. I was, I think, yeah, I was just going to take a nap, actually. I had the tent over, you know, the hammock and my stuff there.

And you could hear other people coming to and from the trail, like passing by me. It's, you know, it's heavy traffic or not heavy traffic, but at that time it was. And then it kind of just started to like relax a little bit. And this was like around 12 in the afternoon. And, you know, I don't know, it just kind of happened at once, but like I start to hear like people running and screaming, you know, like kind of like just in the moment. And it's like nothing you hear on the movies. It's a lot more here when you hear it in person, you know, it's, it's scary. It's like it shocked me and I'm like kind of frozen that I don't know what to do.

And, you know, I hear them getting closer and closer to the entrance. You know, I'm right there on the side. And I kind of like poke my head up to get a better, better picture of what's going on and trying to pinpoint exactly where they are through my, just my head and my ears. And so I get up and I hear it and I'm like, what's going on? on, you know, like my heart's beating, you know, what's going on? This is, this is crazy. And I sit up, put my legs down. I'm just sitting there and I hear the run past. I'm like, okay, I don't know how many there are, you know, I can't see anything from the tent over me. All I could see is what's down below.

And I hear like dogs, like, you know, how like dogs pant in their footsteps or whatever. And they're all around me and I'm like kind of freaking out because I'm like oh crap like wolves like like what is animals they're getting chased by something you know and then I stand up you know I'm still under the tent thing and something sweeps me on my legs like I literally get sweeped under my legs you know I hit my back on the hammock and I fall on flat on my face and I'm just disoriented like What's going on? And I hear people like, like laughing, screaming, you know, help, help. But the people already made it to their vehicles.

It's these things that are running past. I probably, I don't even know how much there were. There were several. But I hear them. And it sounded like humans. Like just the way they talked, everything. They were like these weird coyote-looking creatures. or whatever, like dogs.

And man, I just run, I book it, going to the head, the trailhead where the cars are, and they have a truck. I hop into their truck, and they're booking it. Even though these things are surrounding us, it's like, what are they waiting for?

They could attack us at any moment, looking back, but they're just surrounding us. Like, it's funny. Like, laughing like, laughing like, Hyenas, you know how hyenas laugh. It's like the most serious thing I'm shaking. I don't know what's going on. I can't even breathe.

Like, I'm in shock. Everybody else is, and we don't know what to do. So they're parked in front of the parking space and, you know, they just book it over the bumps, the ramps, and we're out of there. I left my car, all my belongings there. But, you know,

all I could, you know, think about, you know, was my family. All I could think about in that moment was like, I need to get home. You know, like, who are these people, you know, like, they're probably from different groups or whatever. And in that moment, we get, we get out of there. I don't know what it was. But, but, man, it was scary. We got to the road, which is maybe like four miles away from the main trailhead. the main road you could see everything you could see the mountains and it's just flat as far as I can see

it's like a the basin is like a giant bowl so once you get to a certain point you can see you know all out into the bowl of the basin um and so we're just like I'm puking I'm puking all over myself and crying and everybody else is kind of doing the same we're just like what the hell just happened you know like like Yeah, like in that moment, I was powerless. Everybody else was too, you know. And like, man, like, man, so we exchanged numbers right after we calmed down, you know, trying to figure out what's going on.

And like, dude, oh, man. Yeah, I, the experience, you know, shook me even to the state of right now. It's like, how does something like that happen? what are these things, you know? And, you know, for my memory, when I was thinking, you know, they had like human hands, you know, human features. They were like a hybrid of some sort. And man, I don't know.

It was so messed up. Was this broad daylight? Yeah, 12 in the afternoon. Wow. That's how we were able to see them clearly. It just happened so fast. I never ran so fast in my life. I never experienced anything.

I never experienced any event so fast in my life. I got in a car accident. I got on all these different fights and stuff, but that was so fast. Yeah, I was still able to feel it in slow motion. It was like a bad dream. If you're trying to run, but you're in place and you're stuck and you can't breathe. That's the exact same feeling, just terror, just sheer terror.

And just everything about it. You know, luckily, I wasn't like the white girl in a horror movie and I froze, you know? Like I literally, everybody was on a mission, dude. Like, we got out of there, exchanged numbers and, you know, I got out of there. And, you know, I talked to a couple people that were there to this day. And we, they're still shaking by that. Nothing's happened to them yet as much as I did. But that was the first experience that I had at the beginning of June last year, all times.

I'm just chilling. I was chilling on my hammock, dude, on a beautiful day. You know, what the heck? All right, everybody. That was Bo standing rock and his wild experience with these creatures out in the forest. And we're going to get into that here in the next clip as to what these things looked like and what they could have been. But I just want to remind you that Bo is going to be featured in this coming weekend's

live premiere exclusively on the shape of shadows.com. You can get your VIP tickets and your VIP plus tickets at the shape of shadows.com for this live premiere that is going to be only on the shape of shadows.com. So if you're interested in participating in the live premiere and the live Q&A after the premiere, go to the shape of shadows.com and get your VIP tickets today. Now, we have Bo coming up here on the next clip talking about his experiences with these creatures and what they looked like. And we make some connections that kind of caught him off guard. So let's get to it.

These creatures that you saw in the woods that one brushed your leg, you ran to the people. Oh, no. Yeah, it was like literally somebody, like if you're standing, you know, if you're just standing straight up, it's like, like somebody just slamming into your legs and you come, you flip. Oh, so you actually flipped over? Yeah. Gotcha. Knocked out of the wind, everything.

So. Okay. So the way you described the story, and I think it might have been maybe nerves because that's when you really started that that story in particular is when you really started sharing details of stories. I wasn't exactly sure were these creatures making screams like people or was it the people that were screaming from these creatures? That's where this kind of gets a little fuzzy because for me, for my sake, I want to say it was the people.

From my sanity, for my story, I'm just like, it was the people. But in that moment, I remember hearing the breathing of these things when they would run. I was running past and they were running with me, I guess, not to me. they were running to a certain point. And, like, it was weird. But at the same time, all that happened so fast to where, you know, we got into the vehicle and there was like two more people in the truck bed with me.

And they were laying down, you know, or holding on tight. And I was like on the tailgate of it all. And I was like being jerked from the acceleration and all the stuff that was going on. And like I said, those things sounded like people, hyena, screaming. But it wasn't the people that were saying, help me. It wasn't the people that were saying, kill me. It was those things that were chasing us, that were telling us to end them. I don't know.

That is bizarre. It is. really bizarre. So, and when you, when you say hyena, I automatically, like, I look at hyena as like they're taunting creatures. Like, I can't, like, they're just annoying. Like, that's what it is. Yeah.

That's what it was. And so it was like they were taunting you. They had human hands, human teeth. Facial features. I'm assuming that's what, that's where the dog comes in. Like, it kind of like facial features of a dog or what? Yeah. Like, they moved around like that.

Like, big dog. I would say like there were a size of like, like mountain lion size, like a male mountain lion size, like human size, like human size, you know, but dog form,

I guess, like the skeletal structure, I guess, just from what I've seen how they move. Everybody's seen a dog run. Everybody has in a live scene some form of a, um, an animal like that run with four legs.

you know but when I looked at them closer that night they had everything like a dog has hands you know it was like literally like somebody skinned a dog

and you know attached spliced human features onto these things they had the long nose though kind of like I would say like medium size size, nose, a snout, whatever. I didn't get to see the eyes, the ears of a dog, but just

everything about it was just out of the ordinary. It just didn't look right. It just didn't sit right. But I knew they were real because of the smell. I thought it was all fake. I've smelled dead things before. I know exactly how things went and how they looked. in a certain light. But that day, it was kind of blurry. All I could hear was my thoughts racing and whatever they were saying

and the people in the vehicle. But I know that, you know, those things were something else entirely. Did they have hair like a dog, like a full body of hair? Like I said, they were skinned,

like just, gotcha. They looked like rubber. Yeah, they probably had hair here and there, but I didn't see anything. You know, with the no hair, a human hands, you know, man, I don't mean to throw things out. I really don't want to throw things out to sway your opinion or the audience opinion or anything. but what I mentally imagine or yeah imagine a rake looking like sounds similar to what you describe oh my gosh oh that gives me sick yeah I mean like because what I've had rakes

described to me as what I what people have sketched them to be are these thin humanoid looking things that walk like dogs and have distorted faces and heads. I've never, I've never heard of a rake speaking before. In fact, like, I don't think I've ever talked to anybody who's gotten close enough to a rake to have an experience like that. But it just makes you wonder, especially being in that area where everything goes as far as the paranormal goes, it just makes me wonder if. that's something there.

And I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to put anything into your head, you know? I'm just, just throwing it out there. I didn't think of it that way. Like, when I had these experiences,

I don't put, you know, creatures into my head for these things. They're their own things. Like, I mean, even then thinking about that and just the aura that they give off,

like, can you imagine somebody coming up to you, yelling at you, crying, saying to kill me. Like somebody's running up to you saying, kill me, kill me, you know, crying, weeping, laughing, matematically.

That's the kind of aura. It's like evil. Like it's evil. Like nobody wants that. Nobody wants that kind of taunting. Like nobody wants that in their lives at all. Like, oh. But yeah, when you say that, man,

it's like, okay, like there's something else going on here. So I've talked to, I remember two guys offhand. I know we've covered Rick before on the show several times, but I remember the one guy said that I think it was him and his wife pulled up in their driveway and this thing was sitting in the neighbor's yard facing their house. So he experienced it with his wife. And then there was guy in Texas who I interviewed live.

And he and his friend saw two of these things. walking up a hillside together. And so, like, they've been witnessed by other people at the same time and witnessed in groupings. So you've had that, you had that in that experience where other people witnessed it and they were in groupings. So I don't know much about Rake. I don't think a lot of people do know much about Rake, but it's definitely something to think about. Should I move off of this topic? Because you're visibly shaken right now.

No, no, I mean, like, man, like, oh, man, like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it makes so much sense, but I can't accept it for some reason. Like, it's just like this duality of emotion of, of acceptance for me. Like, like, like, that's why it's so hard for me to talk about this stuff, because it's like, is it real or not, you know, is it, is it, is it like, and I'm pretty sure everybody. listening has these experiences when they see these things or when they go through their lives thinking about their experiences with the supernatural, with the paranormal, the spiritual. It's like there's a duality of what's real and what's not. All right, everybody, that was Bo Standing Rock and his descriptions of these creatures from that night.

Terrifying experience. And it doesn't stop there. You see, Bo, he is somebody who has been exposed to the supernatural for. his entire life essentially. And he's learned to deal with it. But the fact is, he has had many experiences with the paranormal, the supernatural, the cryptozoology. And that's what we're going to get into next here with this experience. The former one with the creatures, who knows what the right creature is. We don't know if it's a cryptid, if it's a demon, if it's a little bit of both, if it's alien. But when we're talking about giant winged creatures, that sits comfortably

in crypto zoology and Bo has seen that as well. So let's get to Bo in his description of this giant winged creature that he experienced in the Uinta Basin. But yeah, I'm chilling, I'm vibing at the powwow. It's only been two days. And, you know, the second day, it was like 11 at night. The pow-nows still going on. They're still doing their contests. And it's at the same time as a fair that's going on right next door.

for those of you don't know, Palo is essentially a Native American celebration, but they have different dances and different categories of dance, different singers, and it's more like a contest than anything. It's not ceremonial at all. It's just more for fun. You could look at it at your own time.

It's pretty amazing if you don't know anything about us. As Native peoples, we're not all the same, but it actually shows the differences in uniqueness that we have. But at least 11 at night. and I'm like, hey, I want to go to Mozilla. I was intentionally going to go to Mozilla at the same place where I see the green light

to see some friends the next day. But for some reason, I wanted to go at 11 at night and it's like a four and a half hour drive away. I'm an insomniac already, so it's no problem for me to want to just stay up all night driving. So I leave and yeah like not even

20 minutes outside of haven't which is the town that where it was not even 20 minutes out there's a place or once you get out of the Harvard it's just flat as far as you can see just nothing just farmland

for hundreds of miles and that's just the beauty of Montana that's just how open it is but yeah I'm driving and there's two other cars in front of me. And then there was obviously more cars. And it was during the time when there was a lot of heavy wildfires, you know. So it's just foggy.

It just looks like fog, but it's just like the smoke. And it's like, it's heavier fog than it was the last couple days, fortunately. But or smoke or whatever. But yeah, we're driving. And I see the two cars in front of me. They're probably, you know, like a good ways away. and I see them swerving, you know, like, like you see something on the side of the road and you turn, you know, off the into the middle just to avoid whatever's on the side. I see them do that, but they do it like a swerving motion and they put their brakes on really fast and they stop.

And I feel like something pulling on the wheel, you know? I'm just like, whoa, like wind. You know how wind pulls your car? That's what I feel. And I slow down so fast. I don't know what's going on. And like I'm trying to get to where the cars are because they stop near each other, almost near each other. And I, yeah, I stopped near them at the same distance.

And I'm just like, what's going on? Because the wind's going crazy. And literally just a few days before I got to my home, there was actually a tornado warning. There's never been a tornado warning ever in my life of living there. There's always been 100 mile per hour winds. You know, seasonal wins like that, but there's never been a tornado winning at all. That was bizarre to hear that.

There was actually a tornado was pulling semis off the road and everything. It wasn't windy when I was there. It wasn't windy during the pow-ho, but for some reason it just got crazy. Stopped. Literally seeing cars in front of us stop too. And then you just see the smoke clear. Like just a blink,

just, you know, like sucked out of existence. and he could see everything. And, you know, the wind kind of halted like a dead silence. Like, everything just halted all of a sudden. It was really cool, but also really scary because we don't know what was going on. And so, you know, I don't know. It was weird. I feel it.

I felt it. And then all of a sudden you feel that wind pick up again, like a wave just like so indebted. tense. It just pulls the cars off the ground, not heavily, but like just you can feel of yourself being lifted up. And then you could hear it, like wing beats. Like, like, if you're like, like, I don't know, I open the window. I look outside and I see it like going on the left side or the right, going towards the right and I open that window and I'm like looking. And I, yeah, you could see it. Freaking giant bird, dude. Like, huge. I don't even know how big it was, but it was huge.

All I know is it was huge. And everybody else was like, what the heck is going on? This fog is cleared up, you know? You could see like the fog, like waves in a distance. Like wherever the path it was going, you could see like it cleared out that area. And the fog is, you know, coming back, you know, probably. And it did. But, you know, I get out of my car, regardless of the winds.

And I'm just marveling at what I'm seeing. You could see it still. It's like darker than the darkest night. But, dude, that thing was incredible. Like, I wasn't even scared. Nobody was scared. Everybody was like, what the heck is going on, you know? And we're just sitting around talking about it, the people that I'm with.

You know, the cars that are there stopped, cars that are driving by, still driving by, because they don't know what happened. But, you know, like, dude, it was an experience. That was crazy. So what you're saying is that you saw a giant, like a giant. bird. Yeah. And you weren't the only one to see it.

And you weren't the only one to acknowledge that you saw it. So other people saw it too. So you say it's a big bird. You just say you didn't know how big, but it was big. In the email, I'm assuming, I'm assuming this is the part of the email where you described it as you saw a mountain-sized. bird. Is that what you were talking about? Okay. So like I could like from where I was

on the road on the highway I could see the mountains where the reservations right. I could see how big they are. I seen them all the time growing up. Literally see them every day. So when I compare that size to that bird of the size of the mountains that bird, similar. Similar size. scaling of it was immense, but not like ridiculous.

But it made sense. And there are some places actually on our reservation in the mountains that haven't been explored yet. So that just tells you, you know, what that thing is or what it's about. So you're saying where you're at, it's so large that there are areas that people haven't really explored it all. Basically. Most people love summertime. With all the barbecues, pool parties, and vacations, it's time to elevate your wine game. That's where First Leaf Wine Club comes in. I'm all about enjoying the sunny season without worry. And that's why First Leaf is the perfect fit for your summer plans. They've made it a breeze to get your personalized wine boxes delivered right when you need them.

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entities ranging from malevolent aquatic beings to the lingering echoes of bygone tragedies converging to create an aura of menace amidst the tranquil waters. Everybody, I hope you enjoyed that little reading that I did. I tried to dramatize it and make it sound good. Hopefully it was good. If not, well, there's always next time. But I wanted to talk to you about the water babies in that clip because water babies is something that popped up on this trip with us that really didn't make the film a whole lot,

but it's a very interesting thing that people are experiencing when it comes to these water babies. And one of the people that was with us on this film, so we talked a lot about Bo on this episode. But Johnny was with us more than Bo was. And Johnny showed us around the entire area, drove me all over to places, is showing me wild things.

And what you're about to hear is raw audio from us walking down a trail, him talking about the creatures that are appearing next to this body of water, horsemen, and yes, water babies. So let's hear what Johnny has to say about some of these creatures along the water, on his reservation in Utah.

Sometimes you have state fishing game or tribal fishing game use this road, but there's been many stories of, you know, strange sightings on this road here and in conjunction with this river as well it seems to because this river this road follows the river yeah we gotta be careful if you once while I might get a big truck coming down yeah so the thing that they see there's a several things I don't know I don't really want to see it but it's a hoofed man and there's also one that they can't really tell some people say it looks like kind of like a horse

or like a bolt kind of had just this different kind of animal. So you think that could have something to do with the prints that we saw before? You know, it could, you know, you kind of have to piece things together here because, you know, there's nothing, there's no manual. So I always think about that too, yeah, you know, because it's not only wolves, it's not only wherever, you know, in other traditions too, different tribes we have, shape shifters are into deer, owl, cougars, whatever. gurus, whatever. Right. It's not specific to here. Okay. So there'll be some of that going on.

Then there's, um, now I haven't, I've heard a few cases here. I, and I haven't heard too much about it, but there was this like flying man, like a flying man. Now they've been seeing him more on other reservations up in North Dakota. The wind? Yes, flying man wings. His eyes. It kind of was like Jeepers creepers kind of a thing. It sounded far-fetched to me, but there was some pretty valid sightings from the credible, very credible people. So there's been a lot of activity.

I don't know why they sing a lot of us natives, but they seem to, you know, for whatever reasons. And then you'll have the water baby along here. Now if it was just a little darker, which might be in a little while, then you'll start to hear them cry. You will. So, you mentioned about it being a little darker. Is this something that typically does happen at night versus the day?

Does anybody ever talk about seeing these wire babies or hearing them during the day? They see them during the day. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. You can basically see them at any time, you know. generally it's usually when somebody is by themselves or I'm expecting it maybe they're just down in the river swimming having a good time

and then they're there so we're taught to avoid some certain areas don't swim in certain areas like this river we probably would avoid I avoid I fish there are some great catfish in I would say that in great fishing. Well yeah, so this whole place generally too you'll keep it a keep an eye out you'll you'll see a lot of Mustangs as we walk too and we might run into some years there's thousands of wild horses down here. Our tribe in the county and the state we used to have maybe they still do I don't know COVID kind of change it but we still have annual roundups I think I was talking one of you guys about that and where they would uh people just get together

and round up horses, you know, take as many as they want them. Yeah, one of my uncles, several of my uncles, they would get some really nice horses. Spanish stock, a lot of these are leftovers from the pretty piecegoers. Beautiful horses. Some of some Arabian blood and all that. It's really cool. All right, we got ourselves a treat here. We have Joel from Van Tesla Music.

How are you, sir? What's going on, Tony? And guess what? I keep breaking records on this show. Like, I was already the most episode person, and I just keep racking them up. Yeah. Well, you know what? It helps when your friends, like best buds with the host of the show. So people are like, I'm so sick and tired of hearing, Joel. I'm like, too bad. He's my friend. And he's going to be here whenever he wants to be. And we've got a special treat coming in the next few months. talking about off air.

Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be a good one. It's just constant movement here, man. And we're trying, man. We're really trying to put together some really cool stuff for people. And that's why I'm really excited about what's coming this coming Saturday because I really think people are going to enjoy this film. This is a film that, like, people really enjoyed Exhibition Dog Man, our first film together.

And we went out there with no plan and we put together a film. and people hit it hard. I mean, before we really had any clue what we were doing with the film stuff, we released it on YouTube because we're just like, we don't know what to do with this. Thank God for Joseph Granda.

And coming along and kind of being like, okay, guys, here's the deal. He's like, you guys don't know what you're doing. Like, we're going to fix this. And so it's going to go on Apple TV, Tube, Amazon, all that stuff, right? But before that, in two months, that thing got over

almost 200,000 oh yeah it was almost 200,000 views on YouTube it was more Tony it was closing in on three yeah well whatever it was it was a lot

and so people seemed to enjoy it which was cool and this one I think people are going to enjoy even more and because we went out there and we caught UFOs

multiple times UFOs on footage we caught witchy ritual stuff on footage. We got tracks on footage. We got petroglyphs on footage. We got chased by feds or men in black or who knows what we got chased by. And then we wound up chasing. I mean, it was just, it was a fun film to put together. And, you know, it, you know, two for two kind of thing. Actually, it's three for three, but people don't know about that yet. But we got another film coming out that we just shot.

But two-for-two coming-out kind of thing, where we go out and we put ourselves in a situation and it just kind of unfolds around us. And I dig it. What was like the thing about that trip that stood out the most to you? For me, there was a lot of different things. I think I always go back to the ritual circle

because of me, I was, finally, finally, I was the first on the scene. Like, you know, I was, me and Ward were the ones to find it late at night and it was just like, what the heck is this? I always go back to that. I don't know if that's like the coolest part of the film, but for me, it's like, dude, we found a freaking like straight up ritual circle. And then on last Tuesday's show, Ryan was telling us about all the dark magic that's happening on his property. He's finding people on his property performing dark magic and stuff. I'm like, dude, we found, you know.

So for me, that's like the, it was. was like the highlight that I always fall back on to, but what was yours? Being chased by government ops or whether it was reservation people that were looking into what we were doing on the property or three letters. I don't know. I just know that it was definitely somebody following us. And I think for me and how my mind's always geared, that just amplified everything else we'd already seen.

The UFOs, the ritual circle, the weird talking in the woods that you heard, stuff that's not on the film that people don't know about. There were little girl voices that were talking in the woods to you and just things that were happening on that property, it amplified that because it's like, well, there's something that doesn't want us looking into this stuff. And I know for me, seeing that, that was the highlight for me. Not that the other stuff wasn't great, man. I love seeing UFOs.

It wasn't my first time seeing UFOs, but it was probably the magnitude of how many we saw in a hour, hour and a half span. I don't know if I've seen that many. You know, I've seen a massive, what looked like a triangular ship with smaller ships going in and out of it, but I didn't see close to 2530 in this guy at one time,

which we saw. So that was huge. but I think us getting chased was bigger because it solidified that what we saw that whole week, there was something to it. Yeah. And I think when you've got three letters or whoever involved, then you know that you're on to something. You're on the trail. You're hot on the trail.

Hot on the freaking trail, man. Like, I don't watch a whole lot of stuff. And I was watching the Skinwalker Ranch show on Netflix. Yeah. And I think I've watched like five episodes. total. And the one episode I saw, they showed a picture or video. It might have been a video of this light, lighting up on the mesa and shooting up in the sky. And I was like, we saw exactly that as well. You know, like exactly on the mesa. You know, we were just, you know,

from a different vantage point, but we saw exactly that. And so it made me wonder, like, do, is that something that happens often or did they capture the same event that we were there to witness? You know, like what they showed on that show is that like, did they film that when we were there filming as well? You know, I don't know. I have a feeling that that's a common occurrence, though. Yeah. And if people don't know the space wolf research butts up to Skinwalker Ranch, but Skynwalker Ranch,

but Skinwalker Ranch is down in the basin between Maces. space wool research part of it is on top of the Mesa. So we were actually on top of the Mesa when all the stuff was happening. So there was a lot of stuff going on on that. That particular said ranch as

well during that time. There's a lot of lights going on in the ground too, not just in the sky. And oddly enough it was right after you and Ward found this ritual circle that everything just lit up. It lit up. Yeah. It lit up. And

And part of me would love to say it's a coincidence. But the more I'm just coming to, I don't want to say learning or researching, just coming to the understanding of how this stuff kind of operates, man, I don't think it was an accident at all. I really don't. I think, like, I'm so far past the idea that UFOs or aliens from another world. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think that that's an impossibility, and I certainly think that that is an explanation to be considered strongly. But you go by the definition UFO unidentified flying aircraft or object. I sound like Charles Barkley. You even give you two words and he rattles off a whole sentence, you know? But I just, there's a lot of. of things coming from other realms that pop through and they're flying. There's creatures, there's beings that come through, and those creatures and beings, they bring things with them.

I think I really, really believe that some of the things that you see in the sky is that. And so I think when we picked up that, well, didn't pick up, but we took pictures and brought up the pictures to you guys for the the ritual circle. I just felt like I felt like it then and the more time goes on the strong of the feeling gets where I feel like we we disturbed something, you know? And and I don't know. And when I say disturbed, I mean like literally we activated. I think that maybe we disturbed it or maybe it was just the sheer acknowledgement of it charged something.

But it just, it's really weird how we had that crazy light show right when we were talking and discussing and showing what we found. It just seems more than a coincidence to me. Yeah, I think too, because when we go to these sites, we're looking at everything from a spiritual angle, which a lot of these researchers don't. They go into it strictly scientific. So they're not looking at it, or at least on

the surface, right? Maybe behind the scenes, they think and believe that there's something paranormal going on, which I do think they do. They just don't tell us that. But I think we go into it completely open to the viewing audience, to people that know we go out here. We go into it strictly from a spiritual angle. The scientific stuff comes after. That's more with us. We do talk to people that are very adept in the scientific realm. We always check back and recheck back and go through the rigors of what we've seen and found.

But I can say that because we all come from a spiritual angle and we know that this stuff is not of this world, or at least interdimensional, I think that's why stuff gets activated so much because we do believe that these things exist. Fallen angels, demons, angels, interdimensional beings. That's all the stuff that we know that goes on. And we understand that a lot of these things manifest in ways to deceive us. So we know that as well.

And then we have a myriad offshoots from there. So I think we're just so open when we go to these places. that these things are just ready for us. They're like, yeah, okay, cool. Did you hear what Ryan Burns called that area on my show last week? No. He called it the realm of the fallen. That's wild, man.

Bro. I was like, I told him I said, bro, you just named the episode. Like, I was like, yeah. It was like, the realm of the fallen, bro. Are you killing me? Like, you're straight up killing me. I was like, yo, is this dude? has like he just stepped on the sweet spot for me like we were talking portals and all that

he's bringing fallen angels and i had him clarify and he he said he said what i thought he was saying and um and it just brings a whole other element he said that we that they were getting they get the ground splitting and cracking open and they've been able to drop cameras down like 50 feet and then what's crazy is that like the next day the the the crack closes up that's crazy bro. Like it, the ground's opening and closing. It's wild. But then you start digging into what they've said about. There's tunnels and tunneling systems underneath Space Wolf and Skinwalker Ranch. There's a lot of talk of that even from the natives. So what's going on underneath in these areas that is probably government, maybe combined with

quote-unquote aliens and alien technology, but it's really fallen angel activity that's going on under there, maybe even some Nephilim research as well. Hey, hey, you know, nothing's impossible. That's the way I feel, man. Like, anything's possible in the words of the great Kevin Garnett. A few people are going to get that reference. but I'm telling you man like we had we had gone to that place with the petroglyphs and the six-finger giants

everywhere I mean the legends are true I don't care I don't care what you say like we talk about the Native Americans and talking about these certain things and stuff throughout time and all that but like when you when you stand there and you climb these rocks and you're looking like face to face. It's inches in front of your face. You're getting up close and looking at these petroglyphs with sex fingers, bro. And it's clearly a giant because there's little people around. I'm just like, yo, bro. These things really, really were there. And it's, I'm telling you, man, the Uintam Basin is a magical place. It's a magical place. And I'm just, I'm glad we were able to experience it and he invited us back out and I told myself we go out there with the new knowledge

and information we have of the spiritual side of things going on there. Dude, we might, we might spend a week where we just straight up do some spiritual warfare out there and just see what's up, you know? And like, just bring the hammer and start smacking the falling around. And he's bringing up fallen angels. I'm like, bro, I got something for you. You know, so like, I just want to, I just want to see what's going on and see what's up. You know? like everybody wants to go to haunted houses and stuff and then you know get something to talk on the ghost box so let's just go out to space wolf research do some spiritual warfare smack up some fallen angels see what's up see if somebody comes through popping up what's up you know like

let's see what's up so uh i just i don't know man like i would love to go back out there one day obviously it's not something that we're going to do at any time you know in the near future but um it's definitely something i wouldn't be opposed to at all. So the way to justify that is for people to enjoy the film. So, you know, we need people to show us that you're interested by getting the film and enjoying the film. If nobody likes the film or watches the film, then I'm not going back to Utah. So, right. Yeah. So speaking of the film, though, you made, and this is the first time you've done this and you're going to do more of these things. But you're putting together,

an entire album based off this trip, a musical album. And so if you could, just tell people about it. Yeah, it's, you know, music inspired by the film, right? So it's a soundtrack for all intensive purposes. It's called The Shape of Shadows. So if you're looking for it on any of the streaming services, which it will drop the same day that the film comes out on Saturday, which there's also a music video that will be attached to all this as well.

So I did a song called Walking in My Skin, which that's pretty self-evident considering we did a Skinwalker film. But the way that I did these songs are, they have double meaning. So they may have a meaning for me personally that I want to talk about, but they do tie into the film in a way. So, you know, you found the ritual circle with the bones. I did a song called Bones, which Boastanding Rock actually made the instrumental for that, which is fantastic, and he was a huge part of the film in helping us find out what was going on on the property, but he's also a really good producer too. So he helped produce that.

And the soundtrack itself, seven tracks, it's a couple of songs people have already heard because I did release them early, but the rest of it is brand new. So it's going to be really exciting for people. I think that even if you didn't know that it was a soundtrack to a film, you're going to enjoy it because it's not going to be talking about the film. Like it's got its own meanings and its own type of analogies as well. Life analogies, whatever else. And that's kind of what I wanted to do with these soundtracks going forward to have these songs stand on their own, but also be tied to the films.

And you're going to see in this music video, Ward did a really good job who shot the film itself. He actually edited and shot the music video. and there's a lot of footage from the film intertwined in with the music video and me singing. So it's really cool. And I think people are going to enjoy it. And I think the more that people start seeing the music that is a part of these films,

I think people are going to get used to that as we go. Yeah. So again, when is this coming out now, the soundtrack? The soundtrack will come out the same day as the premiere. Okay, as the premiere. Gotcha. So people can look forward to that. And the walking in my skin,

am I allowed to play that as the outro or no? Absolutely. Perfect. We'll give them a little preview. Sounds good. And we should. And we should. But yeah, so this, I've listened to all the music on it.

And I think I've, I've, I think you've had it done for quite some time. So I've listened to it for, you know, or a good while now. I think late last year you had it all done and you were sending me stuff and I was just like this is heat. The one track, Lights on the Mesa, I think is what you called it. Yeah. Bro. I think that might be my favorite one. But anyways, people can look forward to that.

So basically, this is a double release day. We're releasing the Shape of Shadows on the Shape of Shadows.com as a premiere. This is an event that you are attending. You are coming to watch at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, the Shape of Shadows, on the Shape of Shadows.com. And then afterwards, we will be doing a live Q&A with casting crew. And that is what we are doing on Saturday, the same day that Joel is releasing the soundtrack.

And so, again, where can people get it again? You can get it anywhere. So whatever your favorite streaming service is, whether it's Spotify, Apple Music, title. There's so many. You know, I art radio, whatever that you listen to, go to there and just type in the shape of shadows. Joel Thomas, you'll find it. It'll come up pretty quick. Generally speaking, most people do Apple music or Spotify. That's generally where people go to and that'll probably be easy for you, super easy to find. Super easy to find me. You type in Joel Thomas. There's not very many of us out there. So you'll be able to find the music.

the music video comes out as well and that will be on YouTube. If you go to YouTube.com slash Van Tesla Music, you will be able to get a hold of the music video, which will be released the same day. So there'll be a lot going on on that Saturday for everyone to enjoy. Yes, absolutely. Lots going on that Saturday. And I'm very excited about it.

And I hope people really enjoy what we created because I think it's really, really fun and good. So friends, this is the wrap-up of this unconventional show, and I hope you guys enjoyed it. I have been feeling under the weather. My kid went to school this past week. He started kindergarten, and he came home sick, of course. And so everybody else got sick. And I hope it didn't sound like I have a sore throat, but I have a terrible sore throat right now. But I really appreciate it by listening to this episode. Please, if you're interested, and joining the premiere. Do not wait. Go get your tickets now at the shapeof shadows.com. That's the shape of shadows.com. And you can get your VIP tickets there and attend this live

premiere event right on the shape of shadows.com. Joel, I appreciate you being here, man. Everybody listening, I appreciate y'all being here as well. And until next week, stay safe, take care. And remember, the truth will set you free, but first, it will piss you off. Bye.