The Confessionals - 586: The Untold Story of Malaysian Flight MH370

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

In 2014, Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 captured the world's attention as it seemingly vanished without a trace. For weeks, it dominated conversations, but with time, it gradually faded from collective memory. Occasionally, on slow news days, there were reports of potential plane debris findings, but these never led to any concrete conclusions. Until now.Ashton Forbes, a dedicated citizen journalist, arrived in town to engage in a conversation with Tony about his highly compelling evidence. If authentic, this evidence has the potential to not only reshape our understanding of Malaysian Flight 370 but also challenge our perception of human existence itself. The videos Ashton is about to share with the world are nothing short of astonishing. After grappling with the profound implications, one can't help but question the boundaries of possibility.The Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinWatch The Shape of Shadows: https://www.merkel.media/stream-nowWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0SPONSORSThis episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give onlinetherapy a try at betterhelp.com/yup and get on your way to being your best self.GET Private Internet Access: piavpn.com/confessionalsGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals50" for 50% off plus the first box ships for free!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET FIRSTLEAF: tryfirstleaf.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - Lights On The MesaYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Merkel Media's here This was all circulating around the base That a giant had been killed But no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long, bony fingers Reach up underneath the door Curl up to grab it and then disappear

When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face, they basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two small, getting pulled off the best

bush, and couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. In 2014, the world was left in shock when Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 mysteriously disappeared. Two videos surfaced on the internet claiming to reveal the truth. A plane soaring through the night sky captured by satellite camera. But then something incredible happened. Three unidentified flying objects circled around the plane in a mesmerizing, rhythmic pattern. Suddenly, in the blink of an eye, the impossible occurred, the plane vanishes as if it passed through a portal to another realm.

Today, we embark on a journey into the heart of this mystery. Join us as we sit down with citizen journalist Ashton Forbes, who's here to share groundbreaking research and findings. He'll reveal why he believes these videos are authentic and uncover the astonishing truth behind this plane's disappearance. What you're about to hear has the potential to reshape the entire investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370. All right, today we got Ashton Forbes on the show.

Ashton, how are you, sir? I'm doing great, Tony. Glad to be here. Man, I'm glad you're here. So people by now, if they hit play on this, should have a pretty good idea that this is going to be a wild one. And I just want to let people know before we get into this conversation, how this kind of came about.

I'm not real big on Twitter. I don't really do a whole lot on Twitter unless I tend to tweet when I get grumpy about stuff. And so it's more ragey content that I tweet about. But every once in a while I fade into the Twitter and for whatever reason. And I saw a notification where a guy tagged me in your account. And I have his handle here. It's at Frog Rockets. So at Frog Rockets, thank you very much for tagging me.

And it took me to your page and this thread about your investigation. And I started looking through this investigation about the Malaysian flight that went missing. And listen, I was driving tractor trailer when this happened. And I remember listening to Jay Severin, who is an old political talk radio show host. And he was covering this for days. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people were. And he was talking about it.

He was really going outside the bounds of the narrative that was being given to us and saying, things don't make sense here. And he would do it in a very smart, educational way. Also jovial, though. So it kept your attention. And he would talk about this plane going missing. And I remember it kind of faded from the airwaves. And it was really unsettling how there was no real answer.

Yeah. And as years went on, little pieces of information came out. And before I went to your profile, I vaguely feel like I remember, and maybe we'll get into this, but I vaguely feel like I remember people posting online that they found a piece of a plane. And just the headline reading life we live these days, you're reading like, oh, they found it. Cool. Moving on, you know? Exactly.

And it wasn't until I came across your stuff. And I started seeing rumbles of it a couple weeks ago, maybe in passing somebody mentioned about it. just like, huh, why are they looking into that? You know, and you just keep moving. I'm busy. And when he tagged us into your account, and I saw the thorough research you were doing, it took me to the Reddit page. And I was like, holy crap, when I saw the video, I never saw the video before.

Oh, yeah. When I saw that video, how shocking. Like, you're talking to a guy who gives all credence in the world to the idea of other parallel universes, parallel dimensions, the idea of portals, things is happening, and all this other crazy stuff. And I listened to your Twitter spaces yesterday, the most recent one you did. And you were really breaking it down in a very educated, scientific manner. I loved it. My initial reaction, when I saw it, I was like, that thing got sucked into a parallel universe, you know? I was like, what the heck just happened? But on the video, it shows this plane coming

and then these, these orbs going around it, doing these maneuvers, and all of a sudden, zap. It's gone. And I was just like, what? And normally, I would see something like that, and I'd be like, okay, somebody's faking something, right? Yep. But then with all your research, and the way you presented it and the way you talked about it, it became clear to me that you don't have an agenda outside of just exposing this new information. And that's why I was like, man, let me hit him up and see what's up.

And so I just, I think I said something on Twitter to you, just, you know, my email, shoot me an email. I could talk more freely then. And that was, what, two days ago? Yeah. And then we flew you here to Knoxville to get you here because I want you to have the opportunity to share what you've discovered from the beginning, how this all came on your radar to where we are today, everything in the middle. Now, I know this is going to be a lot of information dumping, but I think that this is the opportunity for you to really not worry about time limits. you don't have to worry about a host feeling like you you got to wrap things up. Listen, I told you we can go as long as you need to. Your flight's at 7 p.m. today. So we got some time.

We're going to do it. The whole thing. Yeah. So with that said, I want to hand it over to you and let you kind of take it away. How did you start looking into this missing flight? Is it something that you've always been into looking into? Or was there some kind of information that came across your path? How did this all start for you? And just, take us to the progression of this investigation. Yeah. So I did have past history looking into MH370 in 2014, just because I have personally interested in what happens with mysterious plane crashes

from having flown probably several million miles of my life. And so when I had looked into MH370, I read all the blogs and everything about it. And like you had mentioned, at the end of the investigation, you know, nine years ago, it was kind of just, oh, we don't know what happened with it, right? We're just going to assume that it crashed into the ocean and no one saw it and we didn't find it above or below water. So even before I started this investigation six weeks ago, I was already under the impression that the U.S. military knew something about what was going on with this plane.

We are living in a post-9-11 world, essentially no way that this rogue 777 is not being tracked by them. As we've gone through the investigation, I think we've proven that they absolutely definitively had been tracking MH370. regardless of anything else. My only personal goal here is to get the truth out. To me, it's not political at all. I always have a disclaimer in front of all my spaces that I do to say that, you know, this is not political, this is not misinformation, this is not QAnon, this is not alien invasion. Because these are narratives that you hear out there often to try to confuse people and try to link things together that aren't.

I don't want to tell people what to think with respect to these videos. As you saw it, it's extremely shy. shocking, ontologically shocking to people. It took me several weeks to really come to terms with what I was seeing in those videos. And before I begin to explain how it all happened, I want to say that my personal journey with these videos was that I looked at it initially, could tell that it had to be at least partially real based on having seen the leaked satellite footage from 2019, having seen what Fleer data videos look like. So I knew that this was at least partially real. I thought that the orbs in the vortex had to have somehow been added in post. I couldn't really

figure it out. But as the VFX editors kind of went in and looked frame by frame, they found essentially no obvious signs of any type of manipulation. And one of the biggest points that was found by a username K-CIMC is that the flash

that we see in the video accurately illuminates the clouds, both in the background and in the foreground. And this is the part where I went, wow, the whole deal is real here. It's not just that. And so then when I thought about it from that perspective, I said, well, this has to be non-human intelligence.

I mean, we're talking about orbs that are in a triangle pattern and a formation, very similar to what UFOology would say is a black triangle. And they're spinning around this plane in what is just seemingly inhuman ways, right? Now, with the ability of retrospect, I think that I look at that and what I see is artificial intelligence. Because I can't imagine three humans or even living organisms like doing this perfect circular triangle formation and being able to maintain it. it seems like it will require some higher level of control.

And so after we dug into the investigation, the more I dug into it, the more I realized, I don't think this is actually non-human intelligence. It's certainly still a narrative and a possibility. But there's more evidence that lines up that this is somehow our technology, U.S. government, has reverse engineered this, and that what we're seeing in this video is an operation of sorts. And we'll get into that in a little bit, but that's just a little bit of a teaser for how my kind of understanding of what we see in these videos has evolved. over time. And my ontological shock has faded as that's kind of gone through the evidence. And so that's what I hope to deliver to people here today. Okay. So just jumping into how we got here.

So around August 8th, these videos were posted on the UFOs subreddit. It's rare to have a really high quality videos get posted on that subreddit. Usually it's just a picture of a light or something floating around in the sky. This was quite a bit different. The first thing people noticed is they had been reposted in January of the same year on the same subreddit, and they were downvoted to zero and all the comments said about how disrespectful it was to post these videos or whatever the situation might be. So people were already skeptical because the comments seemed a little odd. And everybody started to get a lot more attention on these videos, including myself. For me, the factor was that I remember seeing the thermal video in 2014 when I was looking into MH370,

but never connected it to MH370 and just thought it was a random, hoax video or something like that. It wasn't until I saw both videos that were both perfectly in sync and a one from a satellite that I realized there was more to this. So that's when the crusade began, not just with me, but with all of Reddit essentially. Now, we have thousands of people that were swarming, posting every single day about every aspect of the videos. We have, there were in-depth works done on the turn that we see that confirmed that the turn

is realistic for a 7-7-7 that's making that type of turn. wall descending. As I mentioned already about the graphics, I had like three different testimonials from people with 10 plus years of experience that said that this would be extremely difficult. One of the other testimonials that I found is somebody who worked on Top Gun Maverick,

who said that in that movie came out 2022, said these people did a better job than they did and that they would have had, they had to cheat to do some of the stuff that they see in these videos. And the only thing that that person had a problem with is, well, why is the drone there since it's so slow?

which ends up, I think, being a huge clue. This drone cannot catch up to a 777. So why is it out there filming? And we'll cover that in a second as well. So the investigation began. We started building the evidence. And I said, okay, I can't let any of this stuff disappear, get deleted, whatever. I started saving everybody's links that I thought were high quality, that I could vet and confirm that were appropriate.

And as I started to get enough information, I started to realize we can build a story here that fits with all of these facts. and I started to build a team essentially. MH370X is what it's called. And that team is a group of people who are investigators who are looking up old news articles, archives that have been deleted, about anyone who was on the plane, their family members,

every statement they ever made, all the evidence we could possibly find. We found a lot of stuff that I think people have just completely forgotten with that. So we got to this point where we said, we've got all this information, but how do we prove it? You know, how do we actually prove it?

And that's where I met my satellite expert, Martin. He had posted on the subreddit a 3D graphical interpretation that he created of a satellite, USA 229, going over what I had presumed to be the smoking gun location in the South Indian Ocean. At this time, we had been using all of the available data that was out there from, you know, the public and from the official narratives that said that this plane was a South Indian Ocean. and we had actually lined up the satellite coordinates with a location in the South Indian Ocean. And he made a video that said, yep, this satellite was able to look at it right at that point.

The problem with it was that it was the wrong time. It was way too early. It was like 1830 or something, and our planes up in the Nicobar Islands at 1840, so it can't possibly be all the way in the South Indian Ocean. And this is where I had kind of a dilemma, which way do we go with the investigation? Do we go with the investigation and following the satellite, which we think is the right satellite,

or do we go in the direction of following the official data that says that this had to have gone into the South Indian Ocean? And that's where a lot of this starts to unravel, essentially. So this investigation began on Reddit. It moved off of Reddit and became MH370X. Part of the reason for that is that it actually, this entire discussion got banned from that same UFO's subreddit. after about two weeks, I want to say. And the way that happened was very suspicious. A debunk got posted that claimed that they found a shockwave VFX that was supposedly used in the portal effect.

It was posted by a one-day-old account that didn't have the karma to even be allowed to post on the subreddit. I talked to the moderators. They admitted that they gave it manual permission to do so. I asked them if they knew who the person was that was using this side. Puppet to post. They would not respond and answer the question. The person who claims to have found these videos, there's only one person. Their name is Mick West, and they are on MetaBunk website. On the same day that this was posted to the Reddit by the sock puppet account, McWest made a post on the Metabunk forum saying that he had found this VFX from an obscure video game in the 90s.

Interestingly enough, this VFX does not match our VFX. Not only does it not match, it's the wrong color. So most explosions you see in a video game are white, right? But what we see in our event is a dark thermal event. So not even the same thing. They ended up manipulating it to try to get one or two frames to match, and even

then they don't match. I tried to ask them how many pixels match if you think that they look the same? No one would answer that question. Interestingly enough, they used, this debunk got upvoted to the top of the subreddit on

UFOs. And it was then used subsequently to shut down all conversation. All the comments within it, and you can find this if you go search for it, basically talk about how happy they are to have this debunked and how this is finally over. It actually reminds me a lot of the NASCA mummy debate that was going on in the last few weeks, which I just can't understand why people who claim to be for disclosure would be trying to tear other people down that hard. So the discussion got completely banned from the subreddit. And at that point, a new subreddit was developed, airliner abduction in 2014. And that's where the migrants that were investigating went to.

Now, keep in mind, I had not been on Reddit at this time. I'm just following along, pulling the data off of it, doing my own investigation. And I went on Twitter and I started basically posting on Twitter. I made my persona, you know, used my real name. I began to, you know, put the facts out there, challenge some of the disinformation that was out there. and all of this can be seen in my profile. So after that was banned, then everybody was on this airliner abduction subreddit.

The problem with this subreddit is infiltrated and overrun with these Metabunk account people who are out there trying to debunk every aspect of it, which I actually have nothing against as long as they're doing in a good faith. It turns out the debunkers actually proved more aspects of these videos than anyone else to be true, including the person I just mentioned KCIMC,

who proved that the Flash accurately illuminates. Interesting enough, if you go find his post, he edited it at the top to say that he thinks it's fake, even though he proved that it's real. So that's the kind of thing we're essentially dealing with here. So when I started to notice this, I realized we have to have our own community that's going to be separate from this, right? And that's where we created the subreddit MH370x a few days ago, which has already started to blow up. And there really what our goal is is to solve the mystery, right? We want people who aren't out there, you know, trying to slow us down and put, roadblocks in our way. We want people who are out there finding more corroborating evidence

because it's very clear that there's something wrong with the official story. So that's kind of how we got to where we're at right now. And we have a pretty thriving community right now, both the over 2,600 people who have followed me on Twitter in the last six weeks where I went from 30 fake followers to however many we're at now. These are people that believe, and not just believe in me, but they believe in the evidence and the facts. And that's always been my approach is I don't want people to believe me in this. I want people to just look at the evidence and find it that it's very compelling. Yeah, that's really interesting. So when you, when I first started looking into this stuff, I don't remember where I read it, but I remember

you saying that they messed up releasing a video. And so I'm sure you'll get to it. But when you say they, are you referring to the military, releasing the video? So to me, the question is, why even film this? Right? If you're filming this, this is such a huge risk, because it can potentially leak, right? And so that's the part where when more I think about it, just filming in general seems like a risk. But the person that actually went ahead and recorded the satellite video and leaked it, they didn't use a camera, like the camera that you see here or the cameras you see there. That was not something that was set up. They were using the actual. screen recording while they were logged into the database.

What that means is they definitely got caught. So it adds a whole layer of intent to this is, okay, why are they filming? Why does this person decide to leak it? And why did they go through all this intent in the way that they leaked it, which we can talk about here in a few minutes as well? Because I think that that's also extremely compelling when you look at the evidence. Carry on then. Okay.

So let's go ahead and just start. I'm going to go through some of the facts about the videos, okay? So the first video has an archive date of March 19th, 2014. This is our satellite video, and it's posted by an account named Regicide Anon. This account seems to be one of these UFO accounts that just posts UFO-type videos. For that reason, we don't suspect Regiside Anon of being directly involved, but we do believe they were given this. Now, in the description of this video, it says, received March 12, 2014. That's four days after Malaysian Airlines disappeared.

It also says source protected. If you look at Regicide's other posts, they don't say source protected. Most of them say source email, submission, things like that. If you look at the higher quality, there was a higher quality version of the same video released by somebody else about a month or two later. You see then their description that actually mentions Regicitedon arguing on a forum about the authenticity of these videos with other users, which gives us the idea that Regicitedon was given this. video by somebody who said, this is real, I leaked this, you need to promote it, and then Regicide went ahead and started arguing with other people who probably couldn't believe it was real either, right? So between March 12th when they received it and March 19th when they posted it,

presumably they were validating it, verifying it, making sure that it's legitimate. So the video gets released on March 19th. Now, the thing about the satellite video when we watch it is that it's extremely cropped. You're only looking at the plane. But, we know there's a much bigger screen in the background. And the way we know that is because there's more than one analog at play. You can see the mouse moving over the screen. The mouse actually moves off into the bottom left of the screen and to the top right of the screen, which tells me, you know, I've got a double monitor set up at home, but it can't do that. So if what we're looking at is potentially a much bigger view, and then when we're looking at

the plane, we're just looking at a small window of it. When the coordinates move in the video of the satellite, they don't move with the mouse moving around, which tells us there's another analog that's moving the coordinates. I went ahead and looked on YouTube and found what I think is the actual device. It's like a mouse that they use for 3D satellite video. This mouse is theoretically pointed at a point on the ground, like in Google Earth, and they can move that around. And when they move that around, the person who was leaking this was moving it around to keep playing in the window which they had, you know, they wanted to keep it in view. right there. And the key to this is they cropped out the predator drone, the gray eagle. It's

just out of view in the north of our video. There's probably other assets that were also cropped out as well. And that gives us some intent. Unlikely, this person is a spy. If this person's a spy, you're just going to release everything, leak everything out, right? And you probably don't leak it to the public. You leak it to your nation, right? To me, this is somebody who's a patriot that was probably either filming it themselves or heard about it right afterwards and had so much guilt or whatever and felt like the world needed to know that they went ahead and risked everything to leak it. They knew they would get caught by logging into the Citric session, but they knew that that would be the only way to prove it because if it was just a video camera,

we would say it was fake or whatever. They gave us enough evidence with the coordinates in there that we would know that would be the Nicobar Islands. The NRL 22 told us this is a spy satellite footage, although it's not being taken by NRL 22, that seems to be a command satellite that hangs out around the North Pole. And the idea, if you're on the North Pole, you can kind of see everywhere, right? So a really good location for a command satellite theoretically. Now, what happened, though? This video got out March 19, 2014. Did anything happen? Did it blow up in the media? Nothing, right? So now you're the leaker, and you've been leaking this super hot footage, right? You're probably afraid of getting arrested at any moment. So the next thing they're going to be arrested. So the next thing

I do is they leak the thermal from the gray eagle. And they leak that on June 5th, 2014. So is that the second video footage then? Okay. So that's the one where you see the colorized version that's very close up compared to the overhead shot that you see. One thing I want to point out before I get into that on the satellite footage, there's another huge clue in the satellite footage. Regicide Anon's leak is actually when you look at it, it's two scrunched together videos side by side. When I first saw that, that's so weird. Why is it like that? I thought maybe it's just duplicated, right? What we're looking at is two different cameras

that are banking a 3D stereoscopic image. And now when it comes to satellites, there's not a lot that are like that. There is a set of them that there are, the naval ocean surveillance satellites, NOS satellites. They used to come in triplicates. As recently as their third generation,

which began in the early 2000s, they now come in duplicates only. Now, if we're trying to find a satellite that can do this stereoscopy, imaging, it's going to have to be pretty recent from 2014. Because what we see there is, I mean, we're looking at video of satellite, right? Before that, we didn't even know that was possible. We've seen pictures, but video, that's quite a bit of advancement. Interestingly enough, Trump's 2019 leak of USA 224, which Marco Lambrook was the one who reverse engineered which

satellite that was went up in 2011. When we look at that picture, it looks pretty similar to our picture. We can tell there's a low Earth orbit satellite because it's coming in at an angle. If it's a geostationary satellite, they're so high up, it's always looking straight down. So we know that we have low Earth or satellites that can take these kind of pictures. Now, with our satellite, quite a bit more difficult. How do we figure out which is the right one? So if you Google Nostel, you'll find out there's only two that were sent up between like 2010 and 2012 that could really be our satellites. I believe the other one is USA-238. We found that USA-238 is not anywhere close.

USA-229 is the one that's close there. Now, not only do we able to prove that it's 3D stereoscopic and that those are two different cameras and that when you put them side by side, you can see the parallax effect by flipping it back and forth, but my satellite expert Martin went ahead and converted it to an actual 3D video where you can put the glasses on and watch it in actual 3D.

So that point right there is like, okay, how is anyone faking this? This is just so far beyond what could, be faked at this point. So that's a situation with the satellite footage and why it's so compelling right away and why I think the leaker already felt like they had absolute proof when they leaked the satellite footage. We just couldn't believe it.

Ontological shock, 2014, we didn't have what we needed. Let me ask you a question. This is a conjecture. You've never talked to the leaker. Why would somebody risk leaking this? and do it the way they did it because, you know, I don't recall exactly how other leakers in the past have done such things, but like the idea, and even you coming down here today,

I told you, you know, the safest way to do this is to dump all the information at one time very publicly. It doesn't feel like they did it very publicly. They almost did it like they wanted it out there, but they were trying to remain anonymous. and it just seems like that's a given danger zone. So I think there's a really easy answer to that, which is the same reason why I haven't been put on the media, right?

If you come to the media with this and you say that you're, here's some secret intel, they're just not going to run it. They're going to go to the government and get you arrested right away. So I think that their idea was, I'm going to go to some anonymous, you know, people that are unknown in these UFO circles. And I think they probably leaked it on a shared forum or something like that. And they just hoped that that would get out there.

there and then it would raise the national attention because it would be undeniable. But that's not what happened at all. And I think that that has actually evidence that what Grush talks about, sophisticated disinformation campaign. Now, how sophisticated do you think it is or whatever? Like, I personally think that it's both extremely sophisticated,

but also extremely silly. The cover up in the scenario we're dealing with here as we'll go into more of the facts is very surface level, like basically assuming no one's going to go look into any of this stuff. Because as we've had, everything just unravels. So I think to your point, they did that because they thought that was the best way to get the information out there. Now, if you're just a normal person, you may say, no, that is making sense. I'm going to go to CNN and what have you. Well, I tell you what, go try to do that with the next big thing you think and see how they treat you.

Yeah, yeah. Just come to Tony Merkel. I'll take care of you. I wouldn't trust CNN, Fox News, any of them really. No, exactly. No, this is information that, you know, it takes a unique platform and audience to get out. And that's what our attempt is here today. Before you progress in the storyline and the research evidence and all that stuff, we skip something in the very beginning that I knew I was going to forget if I didn't write it down and I didn't. And that's, I think, and if you're okay with this, we didn't prep for this. So feel free to say I'd rather not. But what's your background? Because when I'm listening to you talk, as somebody who doesn't really know you and the audience doesn't know you,

it's very apparent that you have a very analytical mindset. And I think it has a lot to do with what you do in the background. but I want people to understand that you're not, I don't know, like a sciop or anything like that. So if you could just let people know your background before you go into any more information, so they understand who they're listening to. Yeah. So I'm a normal guy. I have worked in healthcare IT my whole life from when I graduated until now, pretty much doing the same job.

My goal in life is just to help people. And so I joined healthcare because the health care system in the United States needs a lot of help. And I figured that would be the location where I can help the most. So I've worked at many hospitals across the entire country, probably more than I can count, honestly, to help develop their electronic medical records and improve their systems and processes so that patients would get the best possible services. And that job does come with a lot of analytical understanding, which is you need to understand how the system works and you understand, you know, what all the nuance is of the system.

And you get a lot of times where people come into you with issues that you have to play game of telephone to try to figure out, okay, what's the real problem here? You know, get to that root cause of what the real issue is. And that's really where I attest that analytical skill set. You know, I said that's how I got that and grew that skill set for my job, which I think I am applying here. Now, I want to keep in mind, I'm not necessarily an expert on any particular area related to the videos and certainly not one on hyper-advanced technology. But I can go and find the research, understand the research, and apply it myself, you know, given my limited understanding. Yeah. Well, it was important for me to get that out there before we got too much further.

So where do we go from here as far as the information goes? Yeah, well, I think we'll just keep running through some of the video information, which is some of the most compelling. Sure. So again, that Grey Eagle footage was leaked on June 5th, 2014, which was two to three weeks after the satellite footage had been a released, widely released. That was uploaded a week later by Regicide and Non. Now, keep in mind, something I mentioned earlier is that there are higher quality versions

these videos are released later by other people. And what this alludes to is the fact that none of these are the original source, because you can't create a higher version from a lower quality version of a video. And the other version of the satellite doesn't show the stereoscopic effect. It looks like they just pulled one of them, maybe made it a higher quality or what have you. What does that mean stereoscopic? The stereoscopic is the effect I'm talking about with the two cameras looking down, where it creates a false 3D appearance, essentially.

And that's how we were able to convert it to a real 3D appearance, which there's a video as well that I have that proves that it's stereoscopic where someone goes through the editing tools and shows you all the buttons they press to prove that it's a literal stereoscopic effect. So that's extremely important because this is a highly advanced. Are we talking about Marvel Studios here making 3D movies or James Cameron making Avatar? And we're talking about now the dates that I just throw out there, the time range is extremely narrow, right?

We're talking between four days and 72 days to make a full, 3D model that you can create these three, these videos from different perspectives, right? And you need to create three videos. You need to create the two that you're seeing from the satellite that create the stereoscopic effect, and you have to create the drone one as well. To me, that's already makes it completely impossible. I've done enough work in my life that nothing gets done that quickly, especially not in visual effects and stuff that we see in movies.

That stuff takes the longest, right? And as I pointed out with the top gun maverick scenario, that person wishes they could have done what these people did, and that was eight years later. And they chimed in on this whole situation. Was that on a thread? Yeah, that was in one of the Reddit comments. It's interesting to see how much people throw out their own experience and information for the public to know and weigh in on these videos. And so that's why I saved some of the most compelling ones that I saw.

Because, you know, we can look those people up and confirm that their identities are really, if necessary, but I don't want to, you know, docks those type of people. I like to take them at face value. Yeah. Especially if what they're saying, you know, checks out and makes sense, which it seemed to. The other thing too is these cameras are made for filming these types of events. So we don't think that these orbs are even visual in the visual spectrum. And part of that is because both cameras are filming them in IR. The thermal was actually an electro-ir-ir-car camera, highly advanced.

I believe it's built by Raytheon. And the thermal layer was actually added custom over the top. I'm almost 100% sure now. The reason for that is that it was stripped. Someone manually stripped it, and you can see more detail in the class. clouds, which makes you think that that's not the original version in which it was filmed in. So that's a little bit interesting because it then says, okay, is the person who leaked it, the operator? Like, what technical experience do you need to know to be able to do that?

So that's kind of one of the clues that we're still, you know, looking to wrap up. But we've got the Broadstokes pretty well down at this point. With respect to the mission statement for these technology, the satellite, the drone, They use a SIG-In system, which is signals intelligence. And this signals intelligence system is essentially a network that allows all these devices to create a global network to communicate with one another. And so this is where you link NRL-222 to USA-229 to our Grey Eagle.

They're working together, looking at the same thing, collecting data from multiple positions on it. It also matches the mission statement for Sibbers, which is the space-based infrared system. So what this point of this system is, at least publicly is to track missiles and things like that. When you read into it publicly online and Google it, you'll find out that it does more than that.

It also can track planes, boats, it provides battlefield awareness and intelligence. So that's really important. We think about that battle map that we think we're seeing on the satellite video, where we're seeing it crop to just the plane. Most likely, that's a very large field of view that we're looking at there from that satellite. Because the point is someone can log in and say, here's the battle.

This place goes here. You go here, fight, take out this thing, right? So what we're looking at is extremely advanced technology, especially from 2014, but maybe even today as well. And I think I already mentioned the higher quality sources. There's several of those links that have the higher quality sources that make us believe that, okay, they're not the original person.

But the real smoking gun that made these videos real was when someone found out that the mouse had a different frame rate than the background. And they thought, well, this has to prove that it's fate. It actually proved that it's 100% authentic. So I'm just going to run down this list right here, which is that the mouse drift that we see could be explained with a jog wheel and trackball that does not have the click activated.

Now, I think we're moving away from that because we've actually found the real device that they build for these. Then they have like 3D glasses that you wear and you move this trackball mouse thing around to move the visual screen around. It's very cool, and I'm probably going to post it on Twitter in a couple of days. the screen capture of the terminal is running in with the resolution is running in a 30 frames per second. The Citrix remote terminal session

is running at a default 24 frames per second. Streaming a remote virtual desktop at a different resolution in 24 frames per second. They're viewing the custom video software panning around a large area. I already mentioned the mouse moving around. They're remotely navigating that large resolution in six frames per second.

per second. So what we're seeing is the satellite six frames per second. We're seeing the recording 24 frames per second with the mouse over it as well that's matching the Citric session. Essentially, what that says then is that this is actually somebody who logged in to the actual database, Intel Spy database, did a screen recording on whatever they were pulling up and cropped it so that we would only see what they wanted us to see. So they were trying to be careful with what they were releasing. I think so. And I wonder if it would have had an impact on their sentencing. Like, perhaps they wouldn't be sentenced quite as harshly for something like this. So you think they're in jail right now? I think they're, yeah, at best in jail. Because of this?

Yeah, 100%. Having looked into it, I think the biggest piece of evidence actually came out like two days ago, where New York Times in an article on a guy who stole spy satellite satellite information for Africa. And he's facing the death penalty over it. He's facing execution potentially or life and prison. And you think about that and you look into what has happened for people that illegally leaked spy satellite information. And the sentences are harsh. Spy satellites are probably the number one most guarded secret other than maybe UFOs and whatever else is out there, right? And there's a good reason for it. Because look at what we're looking at here now. Look at how much we can discern just from looking at these videos about the technology. Like, I would even wonder, this was nine years ago,

are we to the point now we have enough satellites so they can do a remote playback of the entire world anytime they want? You know, like we're not that far from that and we might already be at that point.

How do you feel about that? You know, for me, it's a little bit scary. I definitely go outside everyone's wrong and look up and like, okay, they're just watching me right now. Or, you know, but, you know, I think it's technology. It's advancement, right?

We can't just be afraid of it. You know, I like to have the government leave me alone as much as possible. But at the same time, You know, this is technology that's keeping us safe, protected. And keep in mind, if what we see in here is real with this technology, then, you know, it's a risk. There can be a lot of good that can come from this technology, like green energy.

But there can be a lot of bad that can come from it as well, like weapons and war, et cetera. And we need to be ready for those risks. So I think the government is doing the right things to protect us. But at the same time, you know, we have to be careful about rights and privacy as well at the same time. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I want to ask you this question before you keep going. Yeah. You're referencing the way this video was captured, and maybe it's just my memory as to what I remember seeing.

But to me, when I watched that video, it looked like somebody was recording it from a device, like recording it from their phone on a screen. Is that how it was? Nope, they're not using a phone. And part of the reason, I thought about that a lot. It was one of the first questions I dug through, right? they would have had to have had some kind of perfect stand behind it, but there's just no way and that would work. And I think we would have known right away as well from the video that it was, you know, you'd have the exit of data or something like that that would say,

oh, it was this iPhone 7 that recorded this. But again, I think the reason why they didn't do that is either A, you can't bring a phone in wherever they recorded that from, or B, they knew that that would be considered, it wouldn't be authentic enough for them to do that. What they're doing for sure is this actual screen recording on the computer that they're on. Part of the reason why we can tell that is that at the end of the satellite video, they scroll the mouse up to the right and they close the window and it goes dark.

So what we're looking at there is not a camera. The actual mouse went in and closed it. Do you have any thoughts on how something like this could have gotten out? I mean, did they just simply put it on a thumb drive, walk out with it? Probably. You know, like I, if they were on like a laptop logged in through the Citric session, then sure, you can do it. You can pull the file somehow, right, and get it on.

your device and thumb drives are from working in healthcare IT thumb drives is the number one risk for people because there's computers lying around everywhere and all somebody has to do is plug a thumb drive into it right and so a lot of places that I'll go to actually block off the back of the computers so you can't jam anything into the USB drives so to me that would probably be the most likely it's a question that I hadn't actually considered though so thanks for answering it or a question yeah absolutely that's what I'm here for you know but yeah go ahead um so some of the other stuff that I had about is some things that we recognize from the videos. There's a heat signature in the plane in the bottom half of the plane in the cargo hold, which is odd. It might be fire. We're not

entirely sure. We also see either smoke or exhaust coming out of the plane in both videos. The reason why these are not contrails is the plane's not high enough up for contrails. Contrails only form high altitude. Based on the witness statement, based on the fact that we see the cumulus clouds in the satellite video, we believe that the altitude somewhere between 2000. thousand and 10,000 feet. So too low for that. Um, so if it's smoke, this plane's not going to last very long because if it's on fire, planes got to get to the ground quickly. Um, but that's just something where that's one of those pieces of evidence where it kind of depends on what narrative you believe, right? Because if you believe a narrative of espionage, then this plane doesn't have a lot

longer to get wherever it needs to go. If you believe in a scenario where there was an emergency encounter, then this actually kind of adds up where, okay, were they trying to land in the water now because they couldn't land a Penang? The other things we see is the orbs. So the orbs, the pattern these orbs do is very specific. I don't know exactly how to equate it, but it looks like sign and cosine, you know, the wave functions that you see. It looks like those wave functions overlap over the top of each other. It's like too perfect to really have been done by a human almost. And then if you're in the UFOology side, there's so much stuff that can link these to the orbs that people have been seen in the zeitgeist last five or six years, black triangles,

all of the above. The orbs, there's a really interesting aspect. And I have one of the videos that we should show with respect to this shows that the trails of the orbs are cold. They're dark. So not just that. The trails of the orbs aren't actually trails at all. They're not coming from behind the orbs. They're actually in front of the orbs. And you can watch the orbs being pulled towards the trails in the 10 second clip that strips the thermal layer from it. You can see very clearly that as these things are spinning around the plane, they're

actually being sucked forward in the direction of these black trails. And the reason why the black trails appear to be behind them is just due to the speed in which everything is traveling. That's one of the first things where I saw, this does not look right. This doesn't look human. It certainly doesn't look like anything a hoaxer could just come up with off the top of their head. So these trails that are in front of the orbs, do we have any thoughts as to what these trails could be? And I asked this question because what you're saying, and as somebody who does not have a scientific background, but has heard a lot of things, it sounds, I could almost

see how maybe what you're describing is what maybe Bob Lazard described only caught on video. Because Bob says that the way these things maneuver is that somehow they remove gravity in front of the device and it falls into the gravity less space and it does it so fast by repetition that it is able to do what it does. So could that be what's happening in video only we actually caught it on video? I don't know. So that's a great question. because I've looked into Bob Lazar stuff. I've watched this stuff. And I think the only thing that doesn't add up with respect to Bob Lazar's statement around

how they operate is that in our video, we don't see it turning on its side and kind of moving forward like he talks about with the gravity engine. But that's, I think, part of the reason why this could be our reverse engineer technology because we are seeing some of those same elements. We are seeing that gravity engine potentially, where it's being pulled forward along those lines. But we don't necessarily, I don't think we're talking about crafts in which people are in in this case. These look to me like their balls of energy for the most part. And I'm not, you know, super advanced in science, but I did look up a bunch of different scientific stuff and try to

stay on top of it. You know, I think that what we've got going on here is two major advanced technologies. One is superconductivity. And superconductivity is essentially allowing things to float over magnets, right? Things that don't, aren't otherwise magnetized. So if you want to think of back to the future, hoverboards, hovercars, that's what we're talking. about. It's not going to be fiction. It's going to be real pretty soon. And so that would help explain the kind of floatiness that we see of these orbs is that they are just simply have separated themselves from the effect of gravity somehow. The other thing that we're seeing, this is hypothesized in one of my spaces, is that there could be a laser that is creating

an electromagnetic force in front of the orb that is creating that trail that's allowing it to kind of flow through it, which would create what you would call a gravity engine, essentially. The thermal itself, the way and the reason why the thermal was colorized, I believe it was with intent as well. They wanted us to see the specifics of the orbs. It looks like there's a hot point on the orb. And we think that might be where the engine is that's pulling it forward, right? And you can watch it kind of spin on the axis at that point as these orbs do their weird formation and a triangle. So we can see that part of it.

But they also wanted us to see that the event is cold. If it was in black and white, people would probably argue, oh, which way is hot, which way is cold, they just, they flipped it or whatever. But when it's in color, you can tell that colors of the engines of the plane very clearly. And we can see both the trails are cold. The other explanation has been described to me is that they might be absorbing energy from the surrounding environment, which is something that is extremely advanced technology as well. And then with the actual zap, ZAP is all black, completely black in the thermal. And what that tells is this is a cold event. It's not a destructive.

It's not an explosion event. The best description I've been able to find for that is intermediate black hole. And essentially, this could be a wormhole. I found from looking at science, and this is supported by theoretical physics, surprisingly enough. I had no idea at the time that it would be. And so is quantum teleportation. Quantum teleportation has actually been proven by the Chinese. So a lot of the technology that we see, although it's so extremely ontologically shocking from looking at these videos,

videos, I believe it can be 100% explained by science as we know it. Maybe not science as we know it and can do it right now with the material science that we have, but theoretical science. So, I mean, if that's the case and, you know, not what we can do right now, but theoretical, I mean, clearly somebody has the ability to do this. So, I mean, are we looking at something that is a government that's trying to, you know, flex itself? Or are we talking to, you know, talking about, you know, anything from that to actual ET. I mean, we, we have military over the last several years now coming out, you know, pilots coming out, talking about what they've seen and experienced. But everything's been a trickle, you know, and we have people like David Grush

coming out and kind of getting the momentum going on the disclosure, maybe more than they're comfortable with. So could it be something where we have maybe a lot of military encounters with these things that are similar to what we see in the video. It's just they weren't ready to disclose it yet. And now it's being disclosed through people like you. It could be. It could be anything. And that's the hard part. We can't really nail down exactly what it is. What I will say about the David Grush interview with Jesse Michaels is that there's actually a specific part of it where they talk about this type of technology and wormhole and what the UFOs might do and why they kind of skip around the sky. And I thought that that was very interesting because the way David Grush describes is an

accordion that's kind of getting stuck together. And that's how we would think of as space time and cheating space time in this way, right? Is either folding space time or you're making a hole in it. You're separating yourself from space itself, and that's allowing you to move from point A to point B instantaneously. So to some degree, it's interesting. I don't know what disclosure and the slow acclamation process and what the intent behind all these people are is. But from what I can see here, assuming these videos are real, is they're hiding a lot of technology. And I don't think they have any plan on letting people know about this anytime soon. Part of the reason is that I believe they're going to try to divide up the technology

amongst the elites who owns this. Like who owns superconductivity? Who owns gravity engines? Who owns fusion power when we replace all fossil fuels, right? These are the types of socioeconomic impact that politicians care about. People like us on the ground floor, we don't care about that crap. We just want to know what the truth is. And that's what my intent is here is to blow that all up and just skip right past all the

disclosure. I respect David Grush, highly to respect him. And I believe everything he's saying is true. But this is a path forward that we can skip past it and we can move it forward much, much faster. Yeah. I mean, because what is caught in this video and what you're releasing and so the video has been out publicly for a long time, but the analysis that you guys have been done doing has never been done. And so combining the two

and releasing it is stuff, it is now shattering reality for so many people. I mean, there's people like me who really go, you know, into the woo-woo and you're like, yeah, I mean, let's talk about it all, right? But then there's other people who, you know, think it's all science fiction and it's impossible. And when you're releasing a video that's already been out there, but with the analysis and the research behind it, it really forces people to look at it and be like, oh, So this is real. How do I fit that in my paradigm? I wonder, so on the good side of it, right, we could, we could suggest that maybe the government or whoever is slowly releasing information in that direction because they don't think people can handle it all at one time.

You, fortunately, can just do whatever you want. That's the benefit, right? We don't have to hold into whatever this slow disclosure process is, right? And I agree with you. I think that's it. When you look at this, it's like, yeah, you got to get people used to this. And I think that's what's been happening. Like nine years ago, I wouldn't have said, I would have said the same thing.

Impossible, right? Now in 2023, I have the basis to understand that this isn't just impossible. This is something that could be possible. So I might even have to give them some credit. You know, maybe that slow disclosure process did get us here. And heck, maybe they even have a, a plan for this exact scenario. I was just thinking of it. I wonder if they've been waiting for somebody to do the big step forward that doesn't have government behind their name. You know, private citizen

taking that, not held down by the red tape, right? Because there's a lot of suspicion behind government people, you know? I don't trust the government. And so it's the idea that this is a private citizen doing this. And maybe that was part of the... You're a puppet, man. They're playing you like a puppet. It could be. Honestly, I've gone through the whole sci-op, you know, angle 10 times over my mind. I actually asked my own parents if I was in the Truman show and they were playing some elaborate prank on me because at that point it started to make more sense than everything else that was going on. But ultimately, no, I don't think this is a sci-op for a couple of reasons. A, I'm not that important. But also B is that even if you take me out of the equation, let's look at what

we're looking at the video here, right? The reason is the reason why these videos are so compelling, there's no possible excuse for them. If you claim that the government made these videos, to what intent? The only thing that these videos do is implicate them in the loss of MH370. It proves that they saw it and lied about it. And the idea that like, oh, they're going to try to blame space aliens or whatever for it. No one's going to believe that looking at this video. No one would. No one does already. And not just that. They didn't promote the video either. It's been nine years. When were they going to, you know, do that? And this kind of quickly leads into another point, which I was going to say is that to make these videos,

you would have to have classified knowledge of how these videos look and are supposed to look, especially the spy satellite one, which is essentially impossible. So, you know, it really makes it extremely difficult for there to be some type of hoax.

It makes it difficult for it to be a sci-up, but ultimately, I'll be the one in the front row waiting for the government to tell us, you know, what explanation do you want to go with? And I'm going to rip it to shreds if it's not factual-based. Yeah.

Do you project that happening where you're going to have to sit down before panel and answer questions? Who knows, man? I would say at this point, anything could happen. Like, I've never expected anything like this to happen in my whole life. I would have said that it's more likely that aliens will come down on their ships on my front lawn and introduce themselves to me personally rather than something like this happened that I would be at the center of. So it's so unbelievable that I'm just along for the ride at this point, trying to bring attention to it.

And wherever it leads, it leads. Yeah. I commend you for that. You know some more? Yeah, keep going. Okay. We'll get some more stuff here. Let's see.

So one of the big things people ask is why is this MH370, right? This is an airplane. It's a 777, but why is it MH370? First of all, it's the only missing 777. MH370 is the only one. We never found a debris field. Now, this is really, really, really important. And this is part of the reason why there were so many conspiracy theories about it.

Because if you don't find a debris field for a 777, crashing into the ocean, it just didn't crash into the ocean. There would have been parts, bodies, luggage, everywhere, visible from space. We saw the Wagner guy's private jet from a satellite video in space. So this is just simply impossible. That's why Florence de Changi thought that somehow it had to be over the South China Sea. This is why Jeff Wise thought it had to have been flown to Russia, right? Because these are smart people that realize there's something really amiss here.

And the debris that they did tie to the plane, they've actually only conclusively tied one piece to flap run. And that piece was, to very little people understand this or know this, but the unique serial plate was missing on that piece, the piece that had the unique serial number on it, and it's a plate that was removed. The excuses that it fell

off in the water or something like that. The serial number that they use is a non-unique serial number to match it to the plane. So to me, this throws the idea that this is definitively a piece of MH370, kind of up in the air. Do you feel like it is planted then?

for evidence to just get people to move on? For me, it doesn't even need to be planted for the videos to be real, right? So, first of all, if what we see in that video is real, that's an energetic enough event that a piece of the plane could have gone flying off of it, if it's teleportation, then that can still just be MH-370, right?

That they dissembled it and dropped in the ocean months later or something like that. Jeff Wise thinks that it was planted ineptly. I read his blog about it, and he goes into in-depth analysis about how the flap run would have to be in this exact point underneath the water, rotating exactly in order to get the right barnacle growth on it. It requires a lot of

coincidental stuff to happen, basically. So even the independent group highly questions the debris. And again, the official search found none. Most expensive and extensive search in history found nothing. The people that found the debris found it washed up on the shore. And a lot of the debris that they claim the 40 pieces, almost none of it's tied to MH370. So at the end of the day, from the debris standpoint, what we see in the video is actually completely consistent with the story and all the facts that we know surrounding the debris. So that's one of the biggest things. Now, other people will say, well, the ocean's really big, you know, like it could be anywhere. Not really. The official flight path had the plane running out of gas at the long of the seventh arc.

We searched all along the seventh arc above and below water. We searched the other arcs in the flight path, too, all the way to Nicobar Islands. We searched everywhere. They found no plane, nowhere. So there's nowhere else for it to go. Based on the Emersat Pings, that's the only direction by the official narrative that it could have gone. So something is a miss here. Something doesn't quite add up and saying that the ocean's real big does not solve the problem either. We've already proven that the U.S. has satellites everywhere and they would have been able to see this in the water easily. Is that why you think that we have this video to begin with because the satellites are just everywhere and they're filming all the time?

Pretty much. I mean, I think that if you look at it, either it had to be set up because that drone is there too, right? Or it had to be an emergency situation where they're reacting to it. And it's really hard to differentiate between one or the other. The satellite's only in that spot for a few minutes. My guess is the satellite's moving and is constantly taking a video, right, so that you can create this 3D battle map that you could go back and pull up the recording and watch whatever you need to watch.

It's also controlled by an AI called Sentient that was declassified in 2012. which can operationalize the satellites. Now, I don't know exactly how capable they are if they can actually change their orbits, slow them down to get better shots or what have you. It seems like it should be impossible, but they do talk about operationalizing them and having a command satellite

to make sure that satellites don't run into each other as well. So this sentient program is basically taking all the assets and it's looking around trying to find, oh, is somebody shooting a missile off, whatever, and then point all your assets at that location. Presumably what happened here is that MH370 goes off track and now you have everybody looking at it. or you're already looking at it because you know exactly the point where we're going to have the rendezvous point and we want to have all the cameras staring at the right spot.

Yeah. This is fascinating because the whole situation that we're talking about, I don't, it's like a perfect storm because I remember when it happened and people who are listening that maybe you were in middle school when it happened or something. I mean, this was a big deal. I mean, everybody was talking about it was so mysterious. We had no idea where this giant plane went to, so many theories. People were talking about possibly being a hijacker and them landing it on some kind of island or even a military base not far from the area. We're going to get to that. I mean, I know we are.

The fantastic, from my perspective, the fantastic part about this is living through that time, especially somebody like me, you were living through this sense of something's off. Something doesn't seem right. I know something's not right because nobody seems to have answers. government doesn't know. Nobody knows. But it seems like there is something that we are missing. There's this other piece. There's this even deeper, more mysterious thing that we weren't seeing that's happening here. And that's what this video is all about. It's the missing link. It's the puzzle piece we didn't have. And it's the piece that says when you look at it and you see it, you're just like, that's what I was feeling in my gut back then. That's the feeling that I was like,

there's something we're missing. And that's what it is. It's incredible. It is. So let me throw some more out there. The color tone that we see of the plane matches Malaysian Airlines color tone, which is white on top and gray on the bottom. So the plane is almost certainly a Malaysian Airlines plane, which really narrows it down even further. The satellite coordinates that we have put it in the path of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 by the official path. So the official path says it's going to fly out over the Nicobar Islands, and that's where it's going to turn into the South Indian Ocean. Right. So this location here where we believe that it is, actually the same location where the official story says it turns into the South Indian Ocean, which to me is

quite a big coincidence. Now, I think I already mentioned a couple of these. Let me see. One of the other things is that we have the U.S. military, quote unquote, confirmed Sibbers provided data to the intelligence community to help solve the mystery of MH370. Now, that makes no sense to me. In what way did the U.S. military use Sibbers, the system I was just talking about that creates the battlefield intelligence, how did they solve MH370? The official search found nothing. So to what and what ends did they do that? I think that somebody should follow up, and I'm not going to name the person who quoted that, but somebody should follow up with the military on that and figure out what exactly do they mean when they said they solved the mystery of MH370, especially now that we've shown with all these satellites they had around there. And even if USA 229 was not the one that somehow took it, despite being in the exact right spot at their exact right. time with the exact right payload. It was still staring at MH370. It's going directly over MH370's flight path. So essentially no chance that it did not detect it. So we know the U.S. military definitely saw it. Now, not just that. Why did this plane not crash into the ocean? There's even more evidence than crashing the ocean. A ton of it. The Sosa system, which was

recently declassified. This is the one that heard the Navy, the Titan sub pop when they were going to the Titanic. The Navy heard it pop immediately. They lost. They didn't tell anybody for five days while every single national TV station had oxygen counters running on their thing. And then five days later, after we found out a pop, they tell us, oh, yeah, we heard that five days ago the moment it happened using our SOSOS system that detects these types of things. Makes you wonder why they let the whole story go on like that for five days. And I think it's a really good one to compare to MH370, right? Because it shows us what they're willing to do with the information, either not tell us or tell us as appropriate, right? That's not even the only system.

There's two other systems that should have also caught it. There's a Jorn system, which is essentially the same equivalent system by Indonesia. That should have also caught it if it crashed into the ocean. Diego Garcia should have both been able to track it by radar and potentially also be able to detect any type of impact event also. So at least three different locations that should have been able to track any type of impact. Not just that. The family's cell phones were still able to be ringing and proven on Chinese television,

for up to four days after the event. Okay, so what do you mean by on Chinese television? Were they calling on live TV, the phone numbers? And we're trying to pull the video right now that I can post a Twitter later today because if you look into it, extremely overlooked piece of evidence, the debunks of it seem to be,

well, experts say this is possible. Bullshit. I have never called somebody when their phone was off that it rang, never once in my entire life. And if your phone goes into the seawater, it's not going to last very long at all. It's actually impossible for those phones to be ringing if they're at the bottom of the ocean. So, and a lot of people pointed this out. You know, if you go look back at it, that's the interesting part about the whole investigation is that all these puzzle pieces have been out there, right?

It's just nobody could take them and put them together in a cohesive, comprehensive story before today. But when you do, you start to realize that all these puzzle pieces actually do make sense and form a cohesive pattern. So that's really interesting is that not just that. that, but we also found a testimony from somebody who posted back in 2014 and asked for the DSP detection, which is like the explosion detection or whatever. He was given one for a different plane in 1984, but he was ignored for MH370. So they definitely know that something happened. The plane definitely, definitely did not crash into the ocean. There's no evidence that it did. It's also a really large shipping line between Africa and Australia. There was no witnesses. Nobody saw a plane crash.

nobody saw any debris field, bodies, calls for help, anything like that. There's just nothing that indicates the plane went to the South Indian Ocean, except for those pings. Now, interestingly enough, I decided, you know what, I'm going to go look at the official ping data. It turns out it's an Excel spreadsheet with a number of tabs on it. And if you go to the SU log tab in there, which seems to be the tab that they're using to determine what happened with this plane,

the plane takes off at 1630, and all the data from 1630 all the way up to 1840 looks legit. Every single minute has dozens of rows completely filled out. Looks like you would expect a very complicated Excel document to look like. You get to 1840 and it gets very anomalous very quickly. All of a sudden, a lot of the 1839, 1840 data either has null values, zero values going down it, just repeated. And then it gets to 1940 and everything from 1940 to 23, 45 hours, of information is 10 rows.

It fits on one half of the Excel spread window that you can just take together. Not just that. There appears to be a pattern shift that the channels just shift back and forth between 10 and 4 for all those five hours with only five rows of data. To me, as somebody who's

worked with a lot of Excel data and spreadsheets in my day, something is off right there. Now, I don't know if you want to say, okay, that's when it turned into the South Indian Ocean. I would make a simpler argument and say, this is where the plane just disappears off the face of the earth. And then these additional pings are either added in, you know, add 10 rows of Excel data and manipulate it. They're spoofed. Or it's the actual plane,

but it's not on the route that they think. For example, if it's teleported somewhere. So we take our plane is over here, let's say, and now we're going to teleport it over here. And your satellites at some point in the middle. If you thought the plane was over here, then you might think it's going down this way. But if the plane is actually over on this side, Now the plane might be going down this way. The reason why that's important to what you were mentioning before, if we did teleport this plane to hide it or whatever other purpose there might be, where are we bringing it to a military base potentially

or somewhere where we're going to hide the people and disassemble the plane, etc. Turns out there was a sighting in the Maldives, 50 miles north of Diego Garcia, where the plane was so low that the people on the island could make out the windows of the passenger jet. this is extremely close to Diego Garcia. And a lot of the theories early on were that this plane somehow got to Diego Garcia. The problem was none of the data pointed to that, right? You couldn't say, okay, here's the Emmerstapings. You know, this gets us right there.

But if you can teleport the plane from the Nicobar Islands to a different location, now the data might look correct, but it's being misinterpreted. So it's going to be extremely difficult to prove that type of thing. theory. So I've intentionally focused on the stuff that we can, which is everything up until the video, right? And all the evidence that leads up to that. After that and where it goes, you know, I think that you got to leave that open to interpretation based on what you think about narratives. Like if you think this is a non-human intelligence situation, maybe they're sending them to another dimension, another planet. Maybe they're saving them, right? If you think it's an operation, though, then definitely this plane is being teleported to or near Diego Garcia. you. And, you know, I told you, I kind of go down the woo thinking sometimes. And you just brought up the other dimension aspect. And just the thought, you know, say that there is, you know, this kind of teleportation into another realm. Like I say, a parallel universe that's here on Earth, which I think David Grush kind of alluded to in some of his disclosures, the idea that these things are. here. I forget how he said it, but I remember when I was listening to it, I was like, yeah, what he's talking about it sounds like, you know, a parallel universe. Is it possible, and this is something that is just a thought out loud, I do not expect you to have any answer

to this, but is it possible that if somebody were to be teleported, transported to another parallel universe that is here, just a different dimension that's here, could their phone still ring? That's a good question. And we're going to talk probably a little bit more about that when we maybe look at some of the pictures of the people on Diego Garcia that look very similar to some of the crew. Really? On board the plane. Because one part about that, I wonder is like, okay, if you teleport someone, will it teleport them in another dimension?

Will the same person even come back? You know, what if it's like a, you know, bizarre version of yourself, for example, right? Have you seen the TV show manifest? No, everybody asked me that, though. Is that what happens to manifest? I didn't think about it until just now. Does it? Because that would be funny.

It does that actually happens. At the very first episode, it's about this plane of people, and they set up the narrative of people's lives, and you see everybody's different lives. Everybody, you know, I've just got the phone with my wife. I'm mad. And this lady over here, she's dealing with her kid. But they just, they just, they just, gone. And then I think it was like a year or two later, it just reappears. And they start rolling out this idea that when these people came back, they're different. They look like they're the same person, but they have these different abilities. and it starts coming out to this idea that it's like, they're not the same people. Predictive programming, huh? I'm telling you, man. I wonder when that was put out, that's a show. I just remember binging it on Netflix.

I should probably go revisit it now. Yeah, I may have to check it out now that you said that. I didn't know about that particular detail. That's pretty interesting. Yeah. So let's talk about the flight path real quick, because I think this is really interesting. So with respect to the flight path,

the first thing that's interesting that happens is 30 minutes before takeoff, the plane stops connecting to one of the two satellites that's within range of. So it's within range of an IOR satellite, which is to the west, kind of over the Indian Ocean, and a POR satellite, which is over Southeast Asia. Now, the reason why this is important is that if you have two different pings, you can use the Doppler effect, or you can triangulate, whatever, I'm probably saying the wrong thing, but you can tell kind of where the plane is based on those different pings from the different satellites in the relative distance.

You can triangulate the position, I think is the right way to point to say it. So the fact that it stops Pinging to one of them, 30 minutes before takeoff, kind of shows that there might be some operational intent to make the plane dark, right? Or harder to find. This was tried to explain

to me by Victor of the independent group is the plane being blocked by a building. Now, I've flown enough planes to know that that's nonsense. I've never been in a plane there. The plane was blocked by a building from a satellite view before. Not to mention once the plane starts to go to take off, it's perfectly going to be in view. So it makes no sense that it doesn't

ping back to this POR satellite, especially because that happened 30 minutes before takeoff, plane takes off at 1630 UTC, and it's flying northeast towards Beijing for about 45, 50 minutes. During this point, it never once pings back to POR, despite that it's going towards POR and away from IOR. It actually never pings POR for the rest of the flight. So this is one of the things that makes it harder to track, and this is where we had to figure out, okay, is it going north or is it going south along the arc? Because all we know is the distance from the satellite. We don't have any other information about exactly which way it went. Now, at 1719, that's when the pilot or co-pilot says, Good Night, Malaysian Airlines, Flight 370.

And that's the last communication we get from the plane. Sixty-four seconds later, 1721 UTC, the entire plane goes dark. It drops off of primary radar, and it can only be seen by secondary radar from Malaysia. The official narrative says that this is the part where the pilot somehow does this. From the investigation that I've done and reading and listening to Jeff Wise, who did a podcast just the other day about this, completely impossible. They would have to take out multiple electronic systems to be able to do this. It's not even clear if the pilot would have the technical know-how to even be able to do that.

They can turns off the transponder. But the way these ELT transponders work is those are not the things that are tracking the plane. those go off when the plane's going to crash. Surprisingly enough, none of the four redundant transponders went off on this plane either, which is another indication that didn't crash into the South Indian Ocean. But with respect to the pilot turning into dark, there's almost no way that could be possible. More likely we're dealing with some type of electromagnetic interference event. So either a few scenarios, let's start with the most woo, a UFO encounter scenario

that causes an electromagnetic interference effect that allow, the jams, the plane but doesn't take out the engines. And this could explain the weird radar that altitude changes that Malaysia reports seem that the plane can't technically do. It's because it's being jammed. It could have been jammed by device that

somebody who's hijacking the plane had on board the plane. It could be operatives on the plane that we're working with or against the pilot to make the plane go dark as well. And lastly, it could also be AWACs, which are the American like radar planes that we have that can actually jam planes.

And one of the earlier conspiracies was that they use these AWACs to actually control the plane and take it over, hack it. This was dismissed as being not possible, but right now I'm in the camp where I'm not sure if it is possible or not possible, especially when I'm dealing with looking at black holes. So I feel like if we can make black holes, we can probably pretty easily remote hack an airplane. I think it's a safe bet. Yeah. So this event happens, right?

So no matter what you think here of this event, the next thing that happens is the plane turns around and goes directly to Penang-Lonkawi International Airport, which is the closest airport that can accommodate a 7-77 in an emergency situation. Keep in mind that Malaysia is not a first-world country. And it's also like two in the morning or something like that by the time this plane gets across Malaysia and gets to Penang. So the airport's not even technically open for commercial traffic at that point. It could probably take it in an emergency situation, but is it safe to land if you can't communicate? or whatever, not entirely sure. Whatever reason, the plane doesn't land there. The co-pilot cell phone pings down, the base down below when they get over the base there, which leads us to think that they were trying to make contact in some way.

We don't have proof, but that seems to be what it indicates. And this is one of the last kind of pieces of direct evidence that we have for intent on board this plane. After it gets over Penang, it flies out to the Straits of Malacca. And the last radar location is at 1822,

So around 1800, it's at Penang, 1822, it's off in the water now, and it just gets out of range of Malaysian radar. At 1825, the computer systems come back on in the plane, which is pretty odd to me. It's like, oh, you just got out of radar range, and now the computer systems turn back on. And this is the part where it's pretty close now to the Nicobar Islands. We got another 15 minutes, and now we're going to be at the Nicobar Islands location. So we believe that it flew from the last radar location to our Nicobar Islands location. This is consistent what the official flight path is as well. And this is where our witness comes into play.

I had no idea that there would be a witness that is this credible that literally saw the plane fly right over her. She was in the spot going from India to Piquette in Thailand. She was right in the Strait of Malacca. And she sees a uniform orange glowing plane coming from the east, right where our plane will be coming. flies up and north around her doing a counterclockwise rotation just like we see in the videos. She says that it seems so low that she was afraid it was going to crash into the water. Just like remember, we're looking at the videos that the plane is low, it's descending, and it's turning. She also says that she sees black smoke coming from the plane.

Keep in mind, it's pitch black. The moon is set, the sun is set. There is no light whatsoever. So she's seeing a uniform orange glowing plane. She doesn't mention anything about orbs. just seeing this plane, which is interesting because our cameras

are filming an infrared. So we've actually wondered for several weeks, are these orbs even visible to the human eye, the naked human eye? And I'm fairly confident now that they are not.

But that is something that we kind of want to solidify and find out because that can have huge implications on UFOology and any other supernatural stuff, right? And that could lend credence to the idea of ghosts

and whatever other stuff as well. So the witness sees the plane. She gets freaked out by what she sees. She's afraid to report it. Not sure if she even should. She's not even sure if she saw what she saw, which is so odd to me because if I see MH370 and I see it fly to the South Indian Ocean,

I'm about to be famous. I'm going to be super excited, right? I'm going to help solve this mystery. But her reaction was more of how do I explain what I saw and how do I explain it with these experts who are telling me that it went to the South Indian Ocean? So I think that there's more of the story with our witness. And I want to report something for the first time here on your show, which is that we have made contact with the witness. Kate T has agreed to work with MH370X to help solve the mystery for us.

And this is extremely exciting news for us because she may be a firsthand witness that saw this plane disappear out of thin air. And if so, she can corroborate the events of the video and all of our facts to date. I've been privy to see some of the communication between you and her. And I don't know if you said it like this, but it was generally, you were like, I know you saw the plane disappear. Let's talk. And so, but I think it's good.

The way you addressed her, I think is good because you ripped the Band-Aid off. You know, listen, I don't want you feeling you're crazy. we're investigating this. You know, you don't even have to be like, you don't even have to hear us say, we'll believe you because you've seen the video, you know the angle we're going with. And there's a reason why you're here.

She didn't have to reveal herself to you. Right. There's no need for it, especially if she's been in hiding and what you're doing is so far off of what she saw that she would never come out and talk to you about because you're wrong.

It's not what she saw. The fact is, she took it on her own, volition to respond to you and make contact and exchange emails. So to me, without her, because this just happened this morning, and you were already here in Tennessee. And to me, it says that you're on the right track. She's concurring that just by communicating with you. And I really hope she communicates in detail with you what she saw. Because as far as we know, she's what, the only human witness to the event. Absolutely.

And she can probably corroborate a lot of the stuff we've seen, maybe even explain some of the stuff that we're not sure about. And I think that that will go extremely long way, and it's going to be very compelling. Now, if she told somebody beforehand, before this, that she saw the plane disappear, then we have absolute proof, right? And if she was just too afraid to do so, well, it's still extremely credible evidence.

But either way, this is going to add a lot of weight and a lot of credibility to the investigation. How do you know she is the one you've been looking for? Like she's a witness to the event. How can you confirm that she's not just somebody who saw the Reddit thread, saw Twitter? And it's like, ha, let me play games with these guys because I'm bored. No, I'm 100% sure. We found her on Twitter right away.

She has followed me as of today as well. That was kind of the first indication that this is really her. I had sent her a couple of messages, kind of like you said, respectfully, you know, being like, hey, you know, don't let this blow your mind when you see it. here, but we are, you know, investigating this and we want your input. And then we also reached out to her on the side. We found another contact information for her. So, yeah, we're 100% sure that we are talking to the right person at this point. And was her story well known? Like, how did you know that you're, how did you know to even look for her? That's the crazy part. I mean, I had known there

was witnesses, right? Like at least six witnesses of various degrees. And I found most of them to not be credible. When we realized that the southern location in the South Indian Ocean was incorrect, what we were able to do is we were able to look at the satellite, the shift in the satellite coordinates, and we were able to realize that there's only one possible capability. The plane has to be flying south into the east. And what this means is that it cannot be the southern location. It just doesn't fit with the flight path, and it didn't fit with what we were seeing in the movement. If there was a negative sign, this plane would have to be going north into the east. Now, what we see in both videos is the plane is turning left.

So if you are going north and you turn left, you're going northwest. If you're going south and you turn left, you're going southeast. Since we know from the coordinates, the plane is going in south. The video is actually moving south into the east, regardless of what we see, that's just from the coordinate shifts. We know that this has to be the northern location, the nick of our islands. The plane is going south into the east in our video. So once we realize that, the whole investigation changed. We realized this Southeast Indian Ocean where you could find no evidence for anything happening down there was just bunk.

And everything started to line up at this Nicobar Islands location. I started looking for witnesses, found KT right away, found that she had multiple blogs where she talked about it and a forum. Everything is well, well documented. And so even without her involvement, the amount of evidence that she was able to provide to corroborate the events is significant. But with her involvement, now we have a direct witness who might be willing to testify and really just nail this thing down. down. It's crazy. It's unbelievable. And I never expected any of this. Like when we found the northern locations, I never expected we'd find that. We also found an intercepted SOS call that was only reported in Chinese times and newspapers that claims that the Chinese intercepted a message from a Taiwan

intel facility at 2.43am, which if you convert that to Malaysian time, is 1843, which is right around our time we're talking about, that claims be from Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 that said they were having an emergency event, the plane was disintegrating, and that they were going to attempt an emergency landing in the water. And I just go, wow. I mean, even if that's not somehow true, it happens to line up with the KT's witness testimony almost perfectly. And it also adds another element,

which is, do we really think that there was no communication from the pilot? That part does have to be manual. Unless they're, you know, the jamming can somehow take out the communications, but otherwise it just has to be the pilots just not communicating with any. anybody. Or here's another option. Maybe they were communicating, but it's just simply been censored, right? They were communicating with the U.S. government. It's considered classified intelligence, and therefore it was never leaked. Right. So I think that's a plausible possibility as well. Man. Yeah. I wonder, I'm just sitting here wondering what the purpose of all this was. I mean,

this is not just a minor event. I mean, there were, how many people were on this flight? 239 or something around there, 229. Okay. So let's just say 229. A lot of people. 229 individuals that go missing. So like that's, this is not a small event. This is something that, you know, impacts hundreds of people directly.

Yep. That you know are going to be talking about it. So was this something that was accidentally done? Was it done on purpose? Like, there's just so many questions in my mind. Like, if we want to say that this was done terrestrial, you know, like, you can go down the E.T. route where, you know, it was out of our control and we're just trying to cover it up because we don't want to tell people that aliens exist. But if, like, we're going down the terrestrial route of, you know, this is technology that is secret technology.

Why? Why did this happen? And it's just, it's mind-boggling to me. Yeah, I think the big question that we talk about in a lot of my spaces is, if you have this kind of technology, why are you doing this? Isn't there an easier way it doesn't have as much risk, right? But maybe that comes back to the government side of it too. Government does a lot of stupid stuff, right? That doesn't really well thought out.

So it's like, you know, in their minds they were thinking, hey, we're going to record this with two things, two cameras for intelligence purposes, and they were short-sighted enough to think that nobody would ever leak this. Because, man, if you're some 20-something person who's been lied to your whole life, right,

and you believe everything the media tells you, and then you see this, and you know that this is going to change the world. I could see that being motivation, enough to think that I'm going to go ahead and leak this and change the world. Kind of like I'm doing right now, making it popular, right? You know, I can also say that, you know, the regimented training, I guess, that you go through in the military, you can call brainwashing, you know.

Like, if you're a soldier, you go through boot camp, you go through all this training where maybe the government feels so strong and comfortable and that their training takes hold in people, that they don't really worry a whole lot about somebody being a dissident, you know? And if you're somebody who's, say, 20 years old, you're two years in the military, and you've just been disenfranchised because everything you thought you believed in is just out the window and you're just keeping it quiet. And all of a sudden, here's your opportunity to be like, you know what? This is my big middle finger to the people who lie to me in my whole life.

I mean, to me, that's the most plausible scenario for everything. And I think you actually open up to another idea, which is that there's a lot of people that know about this. that are just keeping it quiet somehow because of perhaps that military oath, right? And maybe in their minds they rationalize that, oh, I'm one of the elite few that knows the truth, right? And nobody else is going to get to know that truth versus other people would say, I don't want to be the only one that knows this. Humanity should know this information. And that's kind of what my view is.

And I might even let this go because looking at this, man, the implications of this are intense, right? But I won't because what we're looking at here is MH370. And that needs to be accounted for. So if they hadn't had all the orbs and stuff, I think that nobody would have any problem with this video. If there was no orbs and vortex, right? Everyone would have no problem with any of these videos. No one would be saying anything about how they're fake, right?

That's the part that throws people off, that people have a hard time believing because it comes with a lot of excess baggage. And then we just talked about what that baggage is, is that we've been beginning to lied to by people that we trust, media people that we trust, our entire lives about topics that they want to influence us on, whether it be Malaysian Airlines 370 or any other topic that they

find that they want to control people on, right? And I think that's where, you know, we're going to break down some of those myths here, in addition to the debris one that we already broke down. We'll also break down the pilot suicide myth here, and you'll begin to see how easy it is for the media to lie

with partial truths. And what I would tell people with respect to these videos is we know these videos are true now. We have enough evidence for it. My game plan is let's watch and see who lies about them. Let's watch and see what they say. Let's sit and waiting and just let them say whatever they want to say about it. And then we will release our trap and see, you know, how it all plays out. Yeah. Because this could be our chance to break down

that whole disinformation campaign. Absolutely. I mean, like you have all the cards. You have all the information. Before you go into that line of thinking that you were talking about breaking down the myths and stuff. I do want to ask you this because it keeps going in on my head and before I forget again. Do we know, was there anybody important on that plane that might be such an emergency situation that's like, all right, pull out the secret weapon. We need to get this plane disappeared because this person on this plane is going here to do something that we just can't let happen. Yeah, I think there's two kind of conspiracy theories along that line. One is the patents. There's a nanotech patent, I believe, that four of the five holders were on the plane and then it's

going to revert to the, I think it ends up reverting to like free scale itself. I can't remember. And then that ends up being owned by the Rothschild. So there's one idea there that it could be about money and control of the company, which I actually gets a little bit more credits because yesterday I was on a podcast talking to somebody who worked at the company when this happened at free scale semiconductors. And he said it was a big deal about how all these top guys, you know, disappeared and they ended up selling the company right after that too, which is pretty odd. But the bigger thing is those people that disappeared. There was 20 semiconductor scientists that were from that free-scale semiconductor company that were on board this plane. And if you think about

what we're seeing in totality here and what the motive for this might be, you know, one of the only possible motives, because I don't think that money is a big enough motive for this type of risk is intellectual property. So what if, now that we know about LK99, and that we're on the precipice of superconductivity discovery now? What if it had already been discovered more than 10 years ago? And what if what we're seeing here is a shadow war between U.S. and China for control of the very technology that we see in use in the videos? And the reason why that's so compelling is that whoever controls this type of technology

simply controls the entire world and has military supremacy over the world. One funny example that I like to give that somebody on a space mentioned is warp nukes. So just take every other technology out. what we see is teleportation or warps. If you could warp a nuke onto somebody, you have absolute control over, you know, them entirely, right? And so we don't even need any more advanced technology. Just being able to warp something, it already gives you full control, right? But to me, I think that's the thing. And really, then, the question is, how far advanced is the military beyond the public's knowledge? I think a lot of people argue they're like a generation ahead.

Yeah. And if that's true, then this makes a lot of sense that this could be actually our technology. I was thinking this is thousands of years more advanced, but the more I dug into it, the more I grounded it in in the science, I don't think it's thousands of years more advanced anymore. Now I think it's just decades more advanced. I always bring this up when this kind of stuff comes up on the show. This was years ago when I was still a truck driver. I did delivery to a casket place and the guy who owned it was an engineer in our military back in the 60s. And he said the NV that we have today that we're using. He said they were developing that in the 60s. And so it's just that example of, you know, we have always been the last ones to know about the technology. The tablets, you know,

there's another guy that I'm working on getting on the show who has seen human and weapons smuggling involving UFOs. He's a former military. And it's just, it's just really, there's a lot of tech out there that they're hiding, right? There's tons. There's tons. And he, and he said that, you know, they were using, when this happened, the people he witnessed doing this, they were using technology of tablets and stuff that were not in existence yet. And so it's just, and it just makes sense that they're going to have the best of the best always. So, yeah, I mean, it's not a stretch of my imagination at all. Yeah. So let's talk real quick about the pilot suicide myth. Okay. Because I think that's one of the easier ones to break down,

which is that everybody stands up for pilot Zahari, his wife, the officials, everybody he worked with as a pilot. He had 18,000 hours, and he was also a trainer. Everybody he trained, loved him. There's no indication of suicidal intent anywhere throughout the flight path. I mean, if you're going to crash a plane, you're just going to crash a plane. He would crash in the South China Sea right away, right? From what we saw with UA 93 on 9-11, if someone was going to try to take over the plane and people fight back, that plane is going to crash pretty much immediately as well. He had a huge custom simulator. He had a huge custom simulator. Like, he made his own giant simulator. Dude loved flying and loved video games, at least flying simulator video games. One of the things that was used against him was this route that they claimed was similar to the route that the Southeast Indian Ocean. Well, first of all, I don't think the South Indian Ocean thing even happened. So that kind of throws that part out. But even if it did, for example, the route that they claim similar is actually looks like it's a route MH150 to Jetta that goes from Kuala Lumpur to the northwest, like over the streets of Malacca.

And then theoretically what happens is maybe he got bored halfway and just decided I'm going to the south, you know, the middle of the Antarctica or whatever, South Pole or something like that. Not really sure exactly what he decided there, but they really reframe some of the, the FBI's findings on his simulator data to make it seem like this was some type of planned route. But when you dig into it and look at it, it looks more of just like he was already planning to fly that MH150 route on February 4th, 2014. And I believe I read that that got switched so that he was flying MH370 instead. So there's a very plausible reason for why that route might be in there.

What there isn't a very plausible reason for is why he had Diego Garcia in his sim. That is an airport that's not open to commercial. So maybe he just wanted to have some fun and land in a place virtually that he wouldn't be able to land in real life. But given the situation that we're going to talk about in a little bit, it's a little odd that he had that in his simulator, especially considering that is the number one suspected location and an espionage scenario for where this plane went. In addition to that, I already mentioned that it's impossible to disconnect all four electronic generators and the APU simultaneously within 64 seconds, which is all the time frame between that

last communication and when the plane went dark. So the idea that this was one person that pulled this off and made the plane go dark, just impossible. Now, maybe the pilot was involved. I don't want to vilify him that way, but it couldn't have done a piece. by himself. The other things is, one of the things I find most ridiculous is the idea that he flew over Penang to say

goodbye to his hometown. That's just an absolute fiction. That's just total, total nonsense. He's flying to Penang either because it's an emergency situation or he's using it at a waypoint so you can like figure out where you're going when you're in the sky. He's definitely not flying over Penang in a suicide scenario to say,

Oh, I miss my old town while 200 passengers are potentially trying to crash the door down behind him, right? but that's another piece too. Like this idea that, okay, well, he depressurized the plane. First of all, I still haven't known. No one's explained to me how the pilot can depressurize the plane. And even if they did, I talked to some pilots, it would be a very slow process. It's not going to just knock everybody out instantaneously.

The oxygen is not going to stop. In fact, the masks are going to drop down. Now, I don't know if those masks actually work. I hope to never have to find out. But let's just presume that they do, and those masks work. If they do, there's no way this pilot's going to be able to keep control the plane with 200 passengers coming to knock it down. If it's me on board that plane, I'm getting that door down pretty damn quick, no matter how

strong they think it is. And then any emergency scenario that might happen, like what happened at 1721, if there's a fire depressurization, this plane is not lasting seven hours to fly through the South Indian Ocean. So it really eliminates this idea that this plane was on some joy ride where the pilot had knocked everybody out and decided, I'm just going to fly this till it runs out of gas and then slowly land it somewhere where it leaves no debris. There's just no evidence for it whatsoever. Um, so given all of that and probably other stuff that I haven't even reported on here, it makes essentially no sense that the pilot would have suicided this plane in any way. And people

want to equate him to some Islamic terrorist. He was not. You know, that's just racism, frankly. Uh, and I think that one of the big things, too, is that when we think about hijacking scenarios, especially Americans, we always think about 9-11, right? And we think that it's people with box cutters and taking over a policy. plane, but we never really think about what would an espionage hijacking situation look like, one that's really planned out, right? And that's where I think, if you think about that, the MH370 scenario starts to make a lot more sense. Yeah, I mean, I'd never really heard the idea that the pilot was on a suicide mission. But judging by what you shared here, it doesn't

seem like that would be the case. A couple of the pieces that I didn't really mention about the debris. I think I addressed some of the main points with the flap around not having that unique serial number, but there was actually a plane that's a Mark 9M MRK that was scrapped in 2013 bought by GA Telesis, scrapped like 20 years before it should have been scrapped, there's an exact copy of 9MRO, which is Flight MH370. So there is definitely the capability where parts from a different identical plane were put into the water to match our plane.

I'm not saying that's necessarily what happened, just saying that it certainly is possible. As I said, the tiny amount of debris that we have found isn't inconsistent with our events. And then if we do get to teleportation being a thing, then the debris isn't a problem at all anymore with respect to that. Now, I wanted to talk about some other pertinent information. I think I may have talked a little bit about this, but there were two fake passengers that were on board the plane, that were Iranian nationals that were using fake passports, stolen passports, that they had changed their appearance, they were traveling together. they spent what seems to be tens of thousands of dollars for the passports and the tickets to fly from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The story behind these guys is that they were supposedly refugees that were trying to get to Amsterdam. Now, this story doesn't make a lot of sense to me because you're in Kuala Lumpur, and there's a direct flight to Amsterdam from Kuala Lumpur. And you're using a fake passport where you've changed your identity and you have to go through customs and security, and every single time you do, you have a chance of getting caught. why are you flying to Beijing to another country sure I get to Amsterdam?

Makes no sense whatsoever. I don't believe that it could even possibly be the cheapest route, which is like one idea I've heard floated out there. To me, in any hijacking scenario, these people should have been the number one suspects and not been dismissed like they were within like two days. There was actually an article where you can find it where the real person with their real passport

was there with on TV with the news showing his passport going, I wasn't on that plane to prove that these people were really on the plane with his fake passport. There was also a third person who bypassed security in a green jacket, who theoretically could have been on the plane as well, but there's no confirmation or proof of that. Keep in mind, this plane is mostly filled with Chinese nationals, probably like 70% of the people are Chinese. And not just Chinese, but Chinese nationals. About 20% of them are Malaysian, about 11 were Indonesian, and then there was a few Australians that were probably of Chinese descent as well, as many Australians are.

And then in terms of Western people, just a handful, more than likely. So if in a future scenario, you have to quiet a bunch of people out, you really only have to deal with a couple nations and then a few individuals that could be a risk to you in Western media. I just want to point that out. I already talked about the Trump leak as well, but I think that's a really important one to look at. And I would strongly suggest that people go look at that leak because you can see how a lot of

the similarities to our satellite footage. The big difference is in the Trump leak, there's a huge shadow. So you can like use basically, it's a, you know, sundial essentially, and you can figure out exactly the time of the day based on that and where it was, which made it very easy for the people who were deducing that to figure out the satellite that made it. For us, we have no shadows in our videos. We don't even have any identified landmarks. So we had to reverse kind of figure out what the situation was in a much more difficult

way than they did for that satellite. Now, teleportation real quick. So people may wonder, why is this teleportation? And before I talk about that, I just want to point out that there was actually a pre-debunk that's already out there that says, you know, why is this not teleportation or whatever that happened to MH370? Which is crazy to me, because I didn't know anybody who was suggesting the plane had been teleported, not even myself, but a couple of weeks ago. And then I saw that debunk even like when I was starting this and I'm like, that is very odd. like who's even suggesting that. Now I am suggesting it.

And the reason is, A, the plane disappears from spacetime entirely as we see. If this was some type of cloaking technology, even if they were able to cloak all the electromagnetic signatures, that exhaust that we see behind the plane would still show up. We would just see the exhaust moving forward, which we don't. So it can't be some type of advanced cloaking, spoofing thing like that. We thought through that. I initially thought it was an annihilation event, deatomization, you know, however you want to call it.

Vaporization. The problem with the vaporization is there's no vapor left behind. You know, if people vape, you see the vape come out. So there's none of that. It's just gone. So the problem with it being deatomized is that E equals MC squared. One of the most basic concepts from physics in Einstein. And essentially what that means is that every bit of matter has a ton of potential energy within it,

the speed of light squared times that mass. So that means even something that's small, like this cup or this, water bottle has the potential to have a huge explosive event. And this is how we have atomic bombs, nuclear bombs. So if the plane had been turned into a nuclear bomb, deatomize, destroyed, the explosion would have been much more significant. It would have blown up part of the planet. The energy has to go somewhere, is the way that it needs to be described.

So if you rule out those two scenarios, you're only left with one other possibility. The plane was teleported somewhere else in space time. and whether or not it was quantum teleported or teleported through a wormhole, I think that's where, you know, who's the expert on hyper-advanced science that nobody has actually seen in practice, right? Like, it's hard to say. But to the point, that's why we have people different, people are following me from all different areas.

I've got people in UFOology, conspiracy, and academics all looking at this. And all of them are having the ontological shock and having their minds broken about it. because what does this mean with respect to my beliefs in terms of my sphere? For the scientists, it's, we can look at this. We can reverse engineer this. We can explain this. You know, for the UFOologists, it's, okay, what does this mean with respect to UFOs? Does this mean that these are non-human intelligence or that we've been reverse engineering them?

And then with respect to conspiracies, this means that, I mean, you're looking at complete and total destruction and trust of all world governments. I mean, who can is going to trust anybody after this type of cover up? which can be verified. Yeah. So pretty scary stuff that we're dealing with right here. But essentially,

one other thing I want to point out that you mentioned manifest, I don't believe you can travel back in time based on physics. The reason is that it would break causality if you did that, right? So the only way you could really travel back in time to me

would be if you went to a different dimension where you have different events happening. Because otherwise you can't change the course of history, but you can travel forward in time, as we've seen from interstellar and time dilation, which is a real thing that has been really measured.

And the idea behind it is, if I were to boil it down simply, the faster that you travel closer to the speed of light, the more everything slows down for you relative to everything else around you. And that essentially means that time slows down for you, but it's going fast for everyone else. So what that can cause is that you show up then in the future, right? And I don't know exactly how that equation works. But my guess is it's probably proportionate to the distance that you travel.

So if you're traveling a very slow, like very minor distance, then I'm guessing the time dilation effect is very small. But if you're going across the universe, then presumably you're going to show up 50,000 years in the advance in the future or whatever. Right. And everybody you would have ever known is gone. That's how relativity seems to work in actuality. So the plane could have shown up theoretically in the future. And I think that's a really fun idea. I don't necessarily think it's going to show up nine to ten years in the future, but it could have shown up like five. minutes in the future, an hour in the future. Those are the kind of scientific concepts I would like to know a lot more about because I think they could explain all of what we see.

Can you imagine, though? I mean, like you said nine, ten years, but can you imagine, just play the imagine game with me, you're breaking this information, right? And you're sharing this. Imagine a year from now, six months from now, a few weeks from now, all of a sudden, the plane reappears where it disappeared. And they're like, yeah, we did a lot. of this, there's just trust us. It was crazy. There's a lot of stuff going on, but we came out of here. I mean, nuts. If it did reappear, though, let's just say, whether it's five minutes or 20 years, would it have to reappear at the same place? That's the hard part, too. So we've been actually trying to figure that out. And like, you can see from the video,

it's turning and landing. So one of our first assumptions is, is the orientation of the plane matter? Is that going to determine somehow the direction of travel? And it might not even forwards. It might go backwards from that location, too. Honestly, we are just speculating. We have no idea. But there has to be some way to determine where it's going, when it's going, when it's going, when it's going to show up, right? Right now, it's all just essentially speculative, which is fun. It's fun to think about. But, yeah, with no way to know for sure. In the video, after the plane disappears, were the, where the orbs gone as well? Yeah, the orbs disappear as well. And I feel really stupid on the first podcast I mentioned. I said

that when you go through a door, does the doorway disappear? And, you know, they thought, well, okay, yeah, okay, sure, you got me on that. But really, is that necessary, right? If the or are somehow acting as either inducing the portal or potentially as a barrier, right, it would make sense for them to disappear if it's being teleportation. Actually, that's the thing I wanted to talk about next, which is the science behind this, right? So I thought that wormholes and teleportation were just a thing of science fiction. And then I went and Googled it and I found that there were actually a number of articles, not articles, but scientific papers talking about humanly traversable wormholes.

And that's why I wrote a piece called traversable wormholes because all three papers essentially said you don't need exotic material to create a wormhole. We always thought you would need antimatter, which is something that we couldn't create and may not. I mean, we believe that it's real, but we don't have it physically available to us right now. So the paper says you don't need that. Then the paper says you can potentially hold a wormhole open long enough for a human to be able to traverse through it. And the gravitational force that they feel would not kill them, which is very interesting.

It might be strong. You might feel a jerk, but it's not going to kill you, right? It's not going to smash you to bits. The third paper says you might be able to create a shell, a very thin shell, not necessarily matter, but like energy shell or some type of shell, around the object that you want to allow it to human, human, humanely, traversed through the wormhole. And that's the part where I went, oh, wow, okay, what are we talking about with these orbs? Because now these orbs can be doing several things. It could be entangling the plane for quantum teleportation.

They could be removing excess particles from the area around the plane that they are going to potentially interfere because one of the paper says that you can't have excess particles fall into the black hole that you're creating, otherwise it could basically destabilize it. So it could be possible that are cleaning that or it could also be possible to do those things and inducing the black hole itself for the portal effect. Again, this is all really out there and we're just kind of assuming, but a lot of these papers corroborate what we're seeing here as being potentially real. It's on such a big level, too.

I mean, when those papers were written, I imagine they weren't writing it with, you know, a big enough hole that a plane would fly through. Yeah. And the question is, why a plane, right? And I wonder, okay, well, maybe they're going to be. they chose the plane because the plane's in the sky. And therefore, it's easier to not have all these unwanted particles. You don't have the ground.

You don't have water that you have to teleport, right? So maybe that's a factor as well. Now, again, how do we know? Hard to tell. But even if it was, you know, it's why that plane? There's tons of planes that they could have done this to, you know, that had less implications that they might

have even been able to hide. Unless they didn't want to hide it and they wanted to introduce it like this. And again, that goes back to the idea that, you know, we're playing right in their hands by exposing this information because whatever. But I mean, if you're if you're experimenting with this, I mean, you could have done it with a Cessna, something's much smaller. That's why I don't think that this is an experiment. That's why I think this is an operation. This has been planned. They've tried this out. They knew this would work.

And they're coming at this with specific intent, right? But that's, that's a good point. And that's why I wondered like that second plane that was purchased. Maybe they used that as a practice run, right? Because it's an exact copy of MH370. If you need to have the physics work, that's the type of plane you would use for a test run, right? To see it to... Whatever happened to that plane. We have no idea. There's a lot of conspiracies about where it went and how it got dismantled and nobody really knows exactly. So... You would think there'd be pretty interesting. I think that might be something that people will figure out here as this unravels. And that's why this case is so big and why I want to reach national attention. Is there's so many lies around this that everything is going to unravel the moment people start. to look into it. Yeah. And that's the reality of it.

One other thing on the wormhole is that I found a patent for a magnetic vortex wormhole generator, an actual patent that basically describes what we see. The only difference being that it doesn't talk about having three orbs. But three orbs might be the absolute minimum you need to create a two-dimensional plane, right, a portal. You need three points. If you have two points, then you just have a line.

With three points, then you have, you can create a triangle that can cover it. and when they converge together, it makes me wonder if they're creating the singularity by taking their magnetic forces and punching them together super fast. Like if you would take two magnets that are, you know, opposite of one another, jam them together really fast and create a very strong effect.

It makes me wonder if there's something like that going on in this. And there was some science that I read that's a little bit far beyond me that seemed to indicate that that might be why those orbs are kind of closing in at the last second right there. Wow. Yeah. So it seems like these orbs are definitely crucial to, what's going on here. If we're going with this

idea that we're talking about, I mean, I'm sure there's people that are married to other ideas, like maybe, you know, it's aliens. And then all of a sudden, there's a whole other reason and how everything works. Like, all of a sudden, those aren't orbs to help generate something as much as, you know, these things were just guiding

into, you know, this other plane of existence naturally. But it, to me, the way I'm thinking about this, just my own personal opinion, it feels very planned and it feels like it's something that is terrestrial to me. Yeah.

And with the information that we've had given to us over the last, let's say, 15 years, for me, it doesn't surprise me when you have, I forget, I think it was Edward Monet. I think that's who it was, who was talking about, have us actually dabbling in parallel universes. Yeah. I mean, like, this is stuff that has been released over the years. So for me, it's like, yeah, this could be very much terrestrial. The big question is why? Yeah, it feels like there's an acclimation process towards alternate dimensions and wormholes

and that kind of thing, which, you know, it makes me wonder if, yeah, this isn't what they're preparing us for, you know? In terms of why, that's always the hardest question. You know, when I think of why teleport something, I think you're trying to hide it. So maybe that point is where Russia and China doesn't have any satellite coverage at that moment, right? And that's the perfect moment to teleport the plane. And I think that there might be some espionage in play because China released an image that supposedly

have wreckage like on the Sunday or a day after or something like that. But the satellite picture they released wasn't timestamped or anything like that. And what it shows is three orbs in a triangle formation, which is very odd. It makes me wonder if that's not China doing some spycraft to say, hey, United States, we know what you guys were doing. Like, we caught you, even though you were trying to hide it, you know? And since these videos have been out, out there. I'm sure that China has, and their intelligence has looked at these videos, determine their authenticity, and probably at this point knows what happened to the plane. If I can figure it out, they can almost certainly figure it out. So where did the plane go,

though, right? Why do it? Everybody points to Diego Garcia military base. This base is, in my opinion, the new area 51. It's had at least $50 million, if not much, much more of construction that's essentially been underground dredging and other stuff with black construction, who their mission statement is that they do in, say, like, complex projects and things like that. Lockheed Martin won a contract for upgrading the power and water there, which is a little suspicious, of course. There was a Black Vault Freedom Information Act request that showed there may be a CIA black site in the past, so there potentially are underground prisons there.

Again, it's not open to those commercial aircraft. Mark Dugain, the French author, theorized early on that this is where the plane had gone to and must have gone to because that's one of the only places they could have hidden the 777. Kate T. The Witness in 2018 said that she does not believe that the plane was destroyed or blown up, that she believes that the plane somehow got to Diego Garcia

a military base. And there was a general theory, conspiracy theory out there, that this is where the plane flew as well. That's citing that I talked about over the Maldives, gives it more credits as well. the pilot had that point in his simulator for Diego Garcia. It's not open to commercial aircraft, so it's a good place to hide an aircraft. It has the space, if you look at the runway, especially you go back to Google Earth Pro and look back in years before 2014.

There's like 12 giant military airplanes on the runway. It's a huge runway and facility. We have the message from Philip Wood saying he was held captive with a picture that had exif data that pointed it to Diego Garcia. military base. And the one thing I was talking about before, around 2020, someone went and looked at the Facebook for Diego Garcia. And this is where it gets really weird. They found essential doppelgangers for both the pilots and all the crew there.

Yeah. Posted on the Facebook page? Mm-hmm. Only just on the Facebook page. There's no articles about this. Like pictures. Pictures. Just pictures of people.

And so what people have been doing is looking at those pictures and going, this person looks a lot like the pilot or a lot like this crew member. and they all have somebody that looks very similar to them. And I'm not saying that's dead proof. I'm just saying there's a lot of stuff lining up towards Diego Garcia. There was a big Strava heat map incident with the DoD where the bases configurations and patrol paths were being given away by the fact that people had that fitness data on their phones. And so they had to change the protocols to prevent that from happening. There's nothing definitive with respect to the heat maps of Diego Garcia, but there is some odd heat map.

locations like outside the yacht club that seems like it's a little bit too much for that. Long story short, I believe there's definitely an underground facility there that is built that has, I don't know what exactly, but at least potentially places to hold people

and maybe even a place to have advanced craft underground, not entirely sure. They also definitely, though, have a ton of radar dishes. And this place supposedly has radar capability that is extremely advanced, that can potentially find planes for thousands of miles away.

One other last really interesting about Diego Garcia, there's 1,700 military and 1,500 civilians on the island. Space Force has 8,600 total personnel. So this is roughly 20% of all of Space Force is on this island. It's a lot of people. So Diego Garcia is really interesting. There's definitely something going on there. And if this plane went anywhere, I would bet.

the world that that's where the plane ended up going. So when you say that, are you saying like almost instant travel, we see it in the video disappear, and then instantaneously it's at Diego Garcia? So it can't just be right there because an object in motion will stay in motion, right? We have to keep physics in mind.

Now, what I wonder is if this plane was landing, as we see in the video and circling, maybe they are preparing for it to be close, right? or preparing for, and who knows, maybe you can't even predict exactly where you teleport. Maybe you can only say that you only get to a certain point. My initial thought was maybe they're going to teleport underground into a base, but it just seems too impossible because this plane's going to be moving at a high rate of speed

and it's going to crash if you try to do that. You really need to teleport it above ground somewhere nearby, I think, and then have it slowly fly into where you need, and it's going to keep moving at the same speed it was when it teleported. And that, I think, is where that Maldiv sighting comes into play, right? Now, again, time dialy, could be affected here. So we don't know

if it's going to appear slightly in the future. Our thought process is it teleports from the Nicobar Islands west somewhere over, you know, Indian Ocean,

and then flies south over the Maldives and lands right at Diego Garcia. Based on that sighting. And we're just trying to add up as much evidence as we can at that point.

Now, is that certain? Of course not. It's going to be very difficult to prove that that's exactly what happened without them emitting it. And it seems like and maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like that's kind of like this, this idea is what you're leaning towards.

I'm leaning towards that, but again, I'm the type of person that wants everybody to be able interpret it as much as, whatever way they want. My only motive here is to prove that this is MH370 and potentially the last time that we saw MH370. The pilot underneath this idea then would have been in on it, right? It could be. It's hard to say. So the way I look at it is why I get another pilot, you know, isn't it easier just to

corrupt a pilot and have them do it? Like, how much would you even have to pay the pilot to say, okay, you know what? You're going to go start a new life. You'll live on this beautiful tropical island for the rest of your life. And that's how you live out your days. We'll give you 10 million bucks, which is nothing for the U.S. government, whatever. Who says no to that, right? Especially if you're in a situation like the pilot was where, you know, I think he and his wife's situation, they were like either getting divorced or had been divorced, right? So he's a single guy. Oh, it seems like a good, you know, a good chance to me. rather than, especially than being killed or whatever your secondary option is.

But then the only other way the government can pull it off is they bring another pilot, right? You send another pilot. It has to be probably one of those hijackers, one of those fake passengers, and they take over the plane. Just seems more difficult to me, but certainly within the realm of possibility. And the pictures on the Facebook page were of the pilot that we know of. So forget about the idea of smuggling somebody on the plane to fly it. the pilot that we know was flying the plane, there are pictures on the Facebook page that look eerily similar, right?

Yeah, I mean, you tell me, take a, take a gander. To me, they look pretty similar. Now, of course, they're not exact, but it does look like people have either slightly changed their appearance, added hair, whatever, changed their hair, but the people do look pretty close. And this is nine years after the event, so they would have aged a little bit too, right? Yeah. Or eight years after.

And these are all people from the base? Those are all crew members that were found on the, Diego Garcia Facebook page. Wow. Pretty crazy. Why would they put them out there like that? That's a good question. I don't know. Maybe they're like,

maybe they're just not afraid, right? Look at the whole totality of what we're dealing with here. All this information is just in the public view. And it's just being ignored, right? So if these people are just out there living their own lives, I think they're just expecting that the public will ignore it. Right. And if you look at it, it's not like it's super definitive.

People are just going to say the same thing I said, is that sure they look alike, but you can't just say people look alike are necessarily the same, right? And that kind of goes in with the, and that's a change subject, but I forget what it was called, the spaceship that blew up

and had the teacher on board, like the whole crew that blew up back in the 80s. The Challenger. The Challenger. Thank you. They, they, there's been people saying that they found these people that was supposedly dead in, you know,

professors situations at different universities and stuff. And I've seen the pictures and it looks pretty convincing. And again, it's the same question, though. It's like, why? Why would you put them back out in the public? It's a little harder if you've got like literal video of the plane explode or the shuttle exploding while it's going up as well. But, you know, if they weren't on the shuttle, then sure.

But again, that's why we can't really put too much stock into those types of things with pictures. It's just another piece of evidence that kind of adds up to that being the most likely scenario. So with respect to some of these other theories here, I think you already touched them. We touched on a few of them, which is that I don't think money is a big enough factor for this. It seems like the videos explain themselves, which is that what we're seeing, it's hidden because it's too much, it's advanced technology, and it's also being hidden because it's a shadow war for the very technologies that we see between these various countries. The videos are suppressed to hide that hyper-advanced technology from the public because it's not something that we're capable of dealing with at this moment, right?

We can see the ontological shock from the people that watch it. and the videos could theoretically be suppressed to hide non-human intelligence because even if that is our technology, I'm certainly not going to believe that we just came to that by ourselves, right? No, we've definitely had some help to create black holes or whatever. We had to have got UFOs like David Grush said, reverse engineered them, and then we were able to get superconductivity, teleportation, black hole technology, whatever it is, right?

And maybe even other things as well. Have you spent any time looking into Tesla and any information that, because I know there's conspiracy theories that we confiscated a lot of his work after he died. Could there have been any connection to us for decades now? You know, like a long time having this information and developing technology based off the theories that he developed? I looked into it a lot, actually, not necessarily related to MH370, but I just love the idea of Tesla in general. And he seemed like he was a visionary. I mean, his main idea was wireless power, right?

And I think wireless power is going to be a real. thing. We have wireless internet. Why can't we have wireless power? Right. And his idea was that he could, you know, harness the energy from the earth through like a pole essentially. And then you could transmit that electronically wirelessly wherever you need the power to go. You know, I think he was way ahead of his time. Now, did we take his technology and use it? I think we certainly could have, but I dug through it and I couldn't find any corroborating evidence for that type of stuff. There certainly are the conspiracy theories out there. But it's hard to find hard evidence for something that was like that so long ago.

Yeah. Okay. Now, with respect to some of these narratives, the espionage narrative, so I just want to go through some of those facts, and you can ask me if you think there's anything else. I think I addressed most of them, but the satellite switching and sticking to IOR 30 minutes prior to kind of lends itself to the espionage scenario. And these are all related to the espionage scenario right now. This up to three fake passengers on board the plane that could have been in and involved on

it, either jamming the plane, flying the plane, anything. The pilot and crew might be in on it. It seems like the pilot changes flight from MH150 to MH370 at the last minute. We see the SIM data in the computer. We see the lookalikes on the island. At 1721, we would assume in this scenario that there's some type of electronic jamming happening. Either a plane is jamming it or a device on board. The plane is jamming it at that point.

The plane is flown to Penang is either a waypoint or it's just they didn't actually fly to Penang and the data is wrong and they actually fly directly to our coordinates. I don't want to rule out any other data, but those are scenarios. The U.S. military has basically been the scenario waiting there for this, as this is the rendezvous point of the operation where they're planning on teleporting the plane to get it to Diego Garcia.

And then the question is, what do you do with the crew in this scenario, right? I don't think that they would have killed the crew. I don't think they were that evil and I don't think we're that dark. For multiple reasons. One, I'm still here and I've been blowing this thing up for six weeks straight. nobody's tried to silence me, even though I was very paranoid for the first week. I've come to realize that I don't think that that's the U.S. Governance Motors operandi here.

I think that it's more of disinformation, discredit, throw out false information that people believe and that hope that nobody puts the pieces together. That's what I think their deal is. So what do they do with the passengers? I imagine they would have made deals with the countries to say, okay, here, China. Yeah, we're not giving you back those 20 semiconductor scientists, but if you want your other hundred passengers, you know, you just got to make sure they don't go to Chinese TV, which is not going to be a problem for China.

China that controls all their media. Malaysia might be a little bit harder, and I think that's why Barack Obama hung out with the Prime Minister for two days after the event. To talk him through this, probably rationalize why it had to be done, and give them assurances that everyone will either be safe or return back at a later point in time. And then with the other few countries like Indonesia, we just push over Indonesia, I'm afraid. Compared to the United States, we would just tell them essentially what to do. And then the other few countries that are Western countries will fall in line as well,

and there's only a few passengers that would even be risks, including Philip Wood. So if I had imagined what would have happened to Philip Wood, he got drugged or whatever, put in the CIA, Black site, whatever, sent that message out, I think they would have convinced them that, hey, if you want your life to continue, you've got to adjoin witness protection. And then you're just off the grid, never to be seen again, never to go in front of the media. He can maybe see his loved ones once a year, something like that, right? But otherwise, he doesn't exist anymore. Who's Philip Wood again?

So Philip Wood was the passenger who posted a picture. on 4chan, he was a black picture where he claimed to be held prisoner, that he was on MH370, and he's been drugged, and that he was being held against his will, and that he had smuggled a phone in his butt, and that's how he was able to take the picture. Now, a lot of people ask questions, like, why wouldn't you just call, like, all your contacts? And I'm not sure the answer to that. I have a feeling there's an explanation, but I don't know the exact answer. Like, was he not able to get a signal due to where he was, but was able to get on the a Wi-Fi network somehow. Maybe it wasn't even his own phone. Maybe they were taking phones and he

grabbed a phone and jammed it up his butt. Now you don't have any of your contacts. So now what do you do? And people say, well, why would you go to 4chan? And I would argue that's the smartest place to go. It's anonymous. They're not going to censor your contact and they're not going to remove you from there, right? You're going to be seen for sure. You know, if the government is in control this operation, they're going to control the media too. They're not going to let this blow up where you are claiming that you're some prisoner, right? So the places you want to go are those places that are off the grid on the internet,

like 4chan. Even Reddit, I feel like would most likely delete something like that without letting it get any attention whatsoever. So I think there is some plausible explanation for why that might be real. The people to debunk that are the same people that have debunked our video using a 2D effect

from a 90s video game, Metabunk. So I think it is very interesting that these debunks for these all come from the same source. and they appear to be fake debunks for the most part. I don't think it is easy to fake the exif data. But that's just my personal opinion. Now what else?

So you deal with the passengers, right? You make the deals with China, Malaysia, Indonesia. Philip Wood resists. Where is he now? Maybe he's in witness protection. And then you throw the debris in the ocean. You either break down the plane and you throw a couple pieces in the ocean so that people think that it crashed, even though the official search found nothing.

Or you use the other plane that they had and you throw a couple of those pieces in the ocean. So that's the scenario for the espionage, which really comes down to those semi-conductor scientists, right? Stealing them, making sure that China doesn't crack superconductivity, can't catch up to the technological advancements that we've been able to reverse engineer. So let me ask you real quick.

And this is something that I don't even have really much of a memory, but a feeling that I remember. But the Malaysian president, Prime Minister, yeah. Yeah, Prime Minister. So when he was, when this all happened, I feel like I remember him being very vocal about this and saying things that made you kind of scratch your head

and like, what are you? There was a lot of weird statements that were made, like, you know, they didn't know about the radar tracking. They were very late to give the information over. There was this whole who's in control of the chain of custody of the information that was very vague as well. the way the ping data even got to the independent group

was through a family member that was given into it from the Malaysian government I would argue the chain of custody of the ping data is even worse than the chain of custody of our videos. These are our videos

we only have like two connections and these ping data we were going from a government that was like maybe had the data that gave it to a family member that's then given it to someone official like that does not feel like the right chain of custody to me.

Yeah. So pretty interesting on that front as well. Now, the other big scenario is really the UFO encounter scenario, right, which also has a significant amount of evidence that goes along with it, much like the espionage scenario. So I want to run through some of that as well, and you'll see how it kind of lines up in a slightly different way than the espionage scenario lines up. So in the UFO encounter scenario, give me just one second, I'm trying to scroll down to it. The big thing about the UFO encounter scenario is at 1721, we have this emergency event happen that jams the plane. and potentially turns the plane around.

So in this UFO slash emergency event scenario, the plane has encountered an unexpected UFO that has done something to the plane. Maybe it's damaged the plane. Maybe it has de-pressurized the plane. Maybe it has caused a fire, but it's definitely jammed the electronics. So now the plane is trying to go to Penang to land because it's an emergency situation. And if the plane is damaged, let's say the landing gear is damaged, they might not be able to land.

Maybe it's not safe to land. maybe the UFO is chasing them or tracking them or whatever the situation might be, we can't really tell how a non-human intelligence would act. In fact, maybe that the UFOs are interested in the lithium batteries that are in the cargo hold, which is an extremely rare light metal. The co-pilot's cell phone pinging over Penang

could be an indication that they're trying to contact help while having their signals being jammed. And then with respect to the witness, when they get over that Nicobar Islands location, you know, this could be a situation where they've communicated with the U.S. military and said, here's the place where we need you to go where you can land in the water where it'll be safe for you or we'll be able to get a hold of you, right? And then the witness sees this smoking plane that's glowing, right, and it looks like it's landing, which corroborates all of these events as well, which says, okay, maybe this was a some type of emergency scenario. Now, she doesn't see the orbs, but we don't necessarily know that the orbs are even visual to the visual eye.

does she does see a uniform glowing plane. So in that scenario, you can kind of take it how you want, but the government is in there because they've been tracking it because it's off, you know, going rogue. And they happen just to be in the right place at the right time to see the events that we see their play out. Now, where does that mean that they got taken in that situation? You know, that's where you could say they get to another dimension.

They send them to the planet Zinu, or maybe they're even saving them because the plane is, you know, in a fatal situation and this is, you know, some last hope to save those people. So there's optimistic approaches and then there's the more pessimistic ones as well in that type of scenario. Yeah, I think both you know have great

merit to proceed with and to pursue in line of thinking. And just to be clear, you've said this several times now, the witness being KT, she saw a glowing plane. So not just a plane, but a plane

that was glowing like it had, like it was orange uniform glow that almost looked like it had a halo over it, is what she said. And that was right before it disappeared or was it glowing, like from the time she started seeing it? Yep, it's from the time she started seeing it. So she saw it for about five to ten minutes, she says. And she watched it come from far away. She thought at first it was a missile as it's coming at her, right? Probably from the east that she's watching it come in. As she sees it from an angle, she starts to realize that, no, that's not a missile.

that's a plane, right? And as it circles around, it comes around the back of her boat and goes south past her boat. And that's when she can tell that it's a passenger plane, right? Because she can see it clearly enough and low enough that is a passenger plane. Now, this is the part where her sighting is very odd, which is then she claimed she went down to the cabin to make some tea or something. If you're watching a glowing freaking plane in the pitch black, the last thing I'm doing is going downstairs to stop watching it, right? So here's what I think really happened. I think she saw the plane literally disappear. And then she said, okay, That's crazy. I'm going to go down and do that. And then she comes back up and now she's watching the after effect of whatever we saw happen, an orange glow halo out there. And she simply presumes that the plane went to the South Indian Ocean because that's what everybody told her she should think, right? That to me is what I think is going to be the real story.

But again, as I talk to her in the next coming days, I think that will start to really clear up and tell us really what actually happened. Yeah. It's amazing. I'm really looking forward to talking with her in more detail and figuring out how much is exactly corroborated by her eyewitness account. Judging by what I read, she speaks English. Oh, yeah. She's a UK citizen. Gotcha. English is her first language.

Perfect. Yep. And then there's these other theories as well, right? And a lot of them are like splinter or hybrid theories based on what we're already talking about. They can fit the facts, but maybe not all the evidence and facts. One of them is there could be a decoy plane. So that plane that we talked about, that second plane could have been a decoy plane to spoof the pings. You teleport the plane somewhere else.

Now you send another plane in to go ahead and spoof those additional radar pins. And that's a theory that's been thrown out there. But it's kind of hard to support. One of the pieces of evidence that does support is that KT claims to have seen two other planes high in the sky with navigation lights on. So either those are the AWACs that are jamming the plane or maybe that's a decoy plane that's coming in to spoof the radar pings. It's hard to say exactly. And then, so I think we already talked about the nanofships in with the Rothschilds. The UFOs could have been saving the passengers from their own doom.

The UFOs could be attracted to the lithium batteries. The government could be working with the non-human intelligence to whatever means, you know, who knows exactly, nefarious, positive, unsure. Or the last one that I like to throw out there is that this is all fake. The plane turned and flew into the South Indian Ocean, ran out of gas, despite no indication of suicide, us checking above and below the water and finding nothing. all along the final arc and the flight path. Doesn't seem probable.

No, it does not seem very probable to me either, especially after going through all of the evidence, right? So that's pretty much the story of kind of all the evidence that we have out there in terms of how it lines up at this point. Now, there is more evidence that's coming out there, much more, actually, including a bunch of other supplemental pieces of evidence. But at this point, you know, I think we've got more evidence than was used to convict Alex Murdov killing his family.

We've got two videos. We've got the time. We've got all the assets. We know the satellite that was looking down there with the very specific capabilities that are required to create the 3D video. I mean, what more can people want, honestly? Right. And I think the hardest part, again, is just the vortex and the orbs. If that wasn't in these videos, I think this would already be solved all over national media, right?

But because we have that, that's the reason why it's too hard for people to believe. Yeah, especially in 2014. I mean, was it 2014 that it came out, the video? Yeah. So, I mean, it was back then, this stuff that we're dealing with today wasn't even on the radar. People weren't thinking this way. So it's definitely something that is earth-shattering, groundbreaking for people to comprehend and understand. I think that there's going to be tons of information that gets uncovered still with as time goes on,

especially with your interactions with the witness now. Yeah. I think that opens a door to reality, not just a theory, hypothesizing. Like, you got to talk to her and find out what she saw. Yeah.

Because we know what we see on this end. We need somebody who was there and saw it too. And it could just, that could be the nail in the coffin. Because we can cross-reference everything we saw, right? And then we can say, okay, well, the orbs aren't visible. She didn't see them.

We're seeing them in IR. That can confirm that. I mean, it can confirm a lot of the clues about it. If she says that she straight up saw the plane disappear and that she's told somebody beforehand, well, there you go. That's the nail in the coffin right there, right? Yeah. We would have corroboration before these videos even got popular that she had seen that.

So that, to me, if I hear those words, is when that's when I start dancing pretty much. But even without that, there's so much corroboration from her eyewitness testimony that I am looking very forward to, you know, kind of comparing the rest of the data and seeing what else we can figure out. Do you have any plans on talking to her soon? Did you guys talk about that at all? Yeah, I think we'll talk very soon. So, you know, she seems very interesting to be part of the investigation and helping get this figured out after having seen the videos. But, you know, I want to respect her wishes as well. You know, she's somebody who I think wants to try to keep her privacy as much as possible. although who knows that that will even be a thing that is possible after this but I do want to shield her from that

because she's somebody who is brave enough to report this and to deal with all these experts who are gaslighting her and stick with her story and tell her truth. The last tweet that she posted before we got back in contact with her

was 2022 and she was asking why all the families, the victims of the families had gone silent and her comment was the silence is sinister. And to me, that is very telling because I've reached out to the family members too. None of them have reached out to me. Nobody from any other family members have contacted me.

I've had probably well over 10 million impressions across social media. If it was my family that had gone missing, I would never give up. In fact, I would become more dedicated the longer it went when I had no answers. So a lot of that is a little bit odd to me. And I think it actually does lead credits to the idea of an espionage theory and scenario. It's hard to believe it's hard to wrap your brain around. but it seems to make sense. From my interactions with witnesses,

I talked to a woman, we shot a documentary in Washington earlier this year and we came across a missing person case. And we found, we got in contact with a lady who was actually engaged with the person that's missing. He's still missing today. She has no vested interest in him anymore, but even for her, because we were exploring

different thoughts and theories as to what was going on. on and she just said, I don't care what happened to him, who took them or what took them, I just need to know what happened, you know? And you're right. Exactly. For all those families to be silent and not be talking at all screams that they've been told to keep quiet. Very odd. Definitely. And maybe it's not even like under threat, but payoff or threat and payoff. Like you're not going to say anything or else you lose your and also here's $50 million for you. And so now you're taking this money.

We are also telling you you're never going to talk about this. You're going to sign an NDA probably for that. Yeah. And so it's just like you're going to take this money. You're never going to talk about this. The other option is we give you the money. We tell you you're never going to talk about it. You talk about it and you die.

You disappear or whatever. And here's 10 scenarios that we already cooked up so that when you disappear, it's perfectly explainable. Nobody's going to believe that anything bad. happened to you. Exactly. And so it just, it presents this, this scenario. It's just like, okay, all right. I love my brother, but it's pretty scary. And yeah, you know, we're definitely going down the conspiracy route here. But I think that's what this video is all about, right? And then unfortunately, that comes, that's the baggage that comes with these videos is that you can't just

take the videos because in order to believe the videos are real, you have to understand there had to be some type of cover up. And then the extent of that cover up depends on what. narrative you really align with, right? It can either just be about the non-human intelligence. It can be about hiding the technology and it can be about hiding the people as well. So yeah, to your point, like, that's what I wanted to know from the family members is what, did anything weird happen with respect to the investigation? Did anyone reach out to you? Did anything odd happen when you felt like things didn't line up? That's what I wanted to ask the family members. And today, none have reached out to me on that. And I think the witness may actually

have some information on that as well, because presumably she'll have had some inside information and talk to some family members. Why do you think that she would have talked to family members? Probably because if I'm a family member and there's a witness, I'm definitely going to reach out to them to see what they saw. So I'm kind of guessing, but I think it's a good chance. I'm assuming you already thought about this, but just random thought, highly suggest to your communications with her have a very encrypted signal. Yeah, probably a good call. signal something like that, you know, figure out a way to make sure that it's not interceptable or at least as little as possible.

We're going to do our best to protect her. And we've already had some talks about how we will do that. So I think our highest priority is keeping her safe, especially if the videos are real. She might be one of the most important people on the planet being as that she saw it in real time. Do we have any ability to make sure she stays safe as far as, or at least a dead man switch kind of thing? Maybe that's something that she should invest in her time where it's like, if I go missing, this happens because... Yeah, I don't want to freak her out really, but to your point, like, these are good ideas that we are going to contemplate with as the conversation unfolds a little bit. And if she feels uncomfortable, then absolutely we'll make sure that all assurances are in place.

Yeah. 100%. There's a couple of debunks I want to address too, because a lot of people want to say, okay, these have been debunked by various things. They don't look right to me, what have you. And these are some of the more common ones that I hear, which... is the clouds don't move. The clouds actually do move. Even the people that, you know, are against the videos, I think they're fake actually have proven that the clouds do move. It's just over like 10 second period, 12 second period of time. You can see that there is some cloud movement. I want to point

on in the satellite video, the frame of reference changes eight times when they move those coordinates. So what we're looking at is changing each time. So part of the reason why you might not see a lot of apparent change is because we are seeing that focal change multiple times. And so each individual point is only for about eight seconds or so, as opposed to looking at one consistent point for an entire minute. We also don't know the capabilities of this video. So from a satellite perspective, you know, it's hard to determine is it really an IR or not. Like a lot of that is classified capability, but we can make some very strong deductive assertions that kind of show us that it is extremely likely that it is at night and in a false color IR. The contrast. The contrast,

People mention that either the contrails jitter or don't jitter. Honestly, I've heard it both ways. The contrails from all the experts that look them seem to flow correctly and naturally like they would. When the orbs go through the back of them, they displace the trails behind the plane, the exhaust, whatever it is. The exhaust does move around from the wind slightly. When the drone goes underneath the tail of the plane, you can actually see there is some turbulence that happens as well from that, which would be natural. So those are some of the biggest ones.

There was one as well about some type of frame rate difference between the ZAP and something else. That ended up being completely fake, and it had to be, it was an artifact of the software that was being used on that. That was one of the earliest ones, debunks that was itself debunked, but I hear it come back pretty often. Then there's the big one that I mentioned before about the VFX from the video game from the 90s.

Not only does it not match. It was falsified, so they modified it to try to make it match, and then they were only able to match up one frame or two frames, however they want to claim. And they're not even matches even when they match those frames up. The argument that they make is they were able to align a couple dots and say that, oh, these dots are in the same spot. It must there logically be the same.

I've got about three or four different GIFs that show that they're objectively different assets. And not just that. The Doom, VFX assets, a 2D video game. In order to create the models that we see, you'd have to create a 3D model. So it makes no sense to have a 2D effect applied into a 3D model. As I pointed out as well, the VFX color is white originally from the Doom game. Ours is black, so it's not even the same color. I don't put really any merit into a prosaic debunks that say that this doesn't look right

or that this should look like that or this looks like this, therefore it is that. because, you know, a lot of things look similar. It doesn't make them the same. We actually did a comparison just as joking that you could say that you could take a donut and turn the donut into our zap effect if you just manipulate it, right? So for the most part, all of the debunks to date have been themselves debunked and don't hold up to scrutiny. And, you know, I've challenged everybody who has tried to promote them and nobody has been

able to, you know, provide any sort of, um, strong counter argument. So going forward, what is going to be required to debunk these videos is that you must have a full story to explain who hoaxed it, how they hoaxed it, how they got the classified intel to even know what it should look like, how they were able to do it in less than 72 days, maybe within less than four days, and somehow regicide would himself have to be in on it because he's the one who says he got the video within four days. So either he was lying because he was in on it, or he's telling the truth

because the videos are real. What you find out very quickly is there's no possible story that makes any sense in which these videos are hoaxed. And that just leaves us one conclusion. The videos are real.

And that's the presentation. So the video game theory, are you suggesting then the way it sounds, and you said it this way several times, the people who presented that theory, are they plants then? Are they people that are basically working to make sure that the real narrative stays covered up?

That's a really good question, right? And if we talk about disinformation, one thing I want to be careful about is that I don't think that everybody out there who's against the videos, who's against UFOology and what have you as a disinformation agent, right? I think that what they use is social consensus, right? Consensus cracking is one of the things that they call it, manufactured consensus. So the idea is that you present ideas out there to reinforce people's cognitive biases. This can't be possible. So you give them a plausible reason for why it can't be possible. Everybody immediately buys into it.

And the power of peer pressure is extremely strong. You see this the most on Reddit where you have upvote and downvote situations. Everybody wants to be upvoted. Everyone wants to believe whatever is upvoted is true. So essentially all it takes is one bad actor, surrounded by people who themselves think they're smarter than everyone. else. And it's really hard to discern the difference between people who are simply egotistical and unable to think outside the box and people who are acting maliciously. I do believe that there are some people who are acting maliciously, including possibly the ringleader of the Metabunk website.

Mostly because if you go back and look at that website, it seems like the whole point of that website is to draw ambiguity to situations that have a ton of evidence, right? The Diego Garcia picture debunk and our videos as well, there's tons more out there. The people that run that website are very well known. Not just that. If you believe these videos are fake, why do you care? Why do you even care what people think is fake or not, right? The only way that you would actually care is because you know or you are afraid that the videos are actually real

and that them coming out is real is going to look really bad for you. That gives you a very strong incentive to try to prove that the videos are fake. because otherwise your whole career is over if you've banked it on saying that these videos are fake which is why I've been watching very closely to the people who claim that they are and very few people are willing to go out on limb and say that they're fake because of that.

I think it's very telling because they know that when the videos are proven authentic, anyone who's gone out there and put themselves on limb to say they're fake is going to have their credibility completely destroyed. So this is where we're at in the investigation and with people that are viewing this on YouTube or listening on podcasts, I mean, if they have information that they feel might be

pertinent to get to you, is there a fast lane? Or do you have an email set up for people? Or is it just go to the Twitter page and said, we've got it all. We've got it all. So let's run through the ways you can get in contact with me. And it's going to be probably more and more difficult as you know, this is starting to blow up and get more and more national tension. But I do try to give everybody out there as much attention as I can, regardless of who they are, you know, and I try to appreciate everybody who expresses support. So you can find me on Twitter. It's just X Ashton on Twitter. You can come and you can come to our subreddit, which is MH370X subreddit. I've also set up an email, which is MH370x at proton.m. So if you want to send me anything in

private, that is, you know, secure email address, you can email me that information there as well. You can also go to my profile on Twitter and you can find our Discord. Our Discord is a group of very intelligent people who are trying to solve the mystery, pull up past archive news sources, anything that can help corroborate our events that we're seeing on here. And they're very dedicated. It's a fun group, very respectful. We've had almost no problems in our Discord with anyone being respectful, trolling anything like that. So you can reach out to us in any of those ways. If you have any hints, clues, if you're somebody who knows the secret of this and you want to just let us know,

I would be happy to hear from you. Yeah. And that proton is encrypted email so you can feel safe if you're somebody who's worried about the email side of things. Listen, man, I appreciate you sharing this information today. I think it's been tons of information that you have here. I was watching you go through your notes on your phone. I was like, man, that just, that list just keeps going and going. And that's good. That's good. I mean, and this is stuff that you were able to do in a six-week period. I mean, this all started for you six weeks ago. Yeah, it's crazy to think of how much. work we've done. And the reality is I'm going to do another version of that list, probably in the

next week or two, with a ton more evidence that we put together. One of the things I posted today was the girlfriend of Philip Wood went on CNN a month afterwards and just said straight up, she believes that the airplane was hijacked or abducted. Just said it. A month afterwards. This is well into the South Indian Ocean narrative. Just comes out and says it. It's like, there's so much stuff out there that is already pointing to exactly what we're looking at here. And it's all just ignored because what really people believe is whatever is repeated on the media, right? That's how lies are spread. You repeat it until it's a truth. That's the way it was, especially back then. There was way more trust back then in the media than there is today. 100%. That's, that's,

so she said abducted. I mean, do we have any reference as to what kind of abduction? Steve's talking about? I mean, we could talk about like a person abducting a child or alien. It's an interesting choice of words, right? Right. Yeah. It's a very interesting choice of words. Because you would think that a hijacking would be an abduction, right? I think that's what she's talking about. Okay. Right. I think she's talking about hijack. Because when you look at the events and what we've broken down, hijacking does seem like it's the most plausible scenario, right? And that fits in with the espionage scenario as well.

The reason why people thought didn't think is hijacking is because we're thinking of 9-11. We're thinking of guys with box cutters and, you know, terrorists taking over a plane and trying to crash it. We're not thinking of somebody trying to take a plane and disappear it to somewhere, right? That was, I think, the big missing link in this. But I want to thank you, Tony, for having me on. It's just, you know, this has been awesome. It's been fun chatting with you today and going through everything.

and I hope that we stay in contact after this as well. Oh, for sure. We, for sure, Will. I want to know what happens to Kate. I keep on to say just Katie, but I'm just Kate T. I want to see what happens to her and, my Lord, like I need, like I really need to know. You need to know the closure on this now? I do.

Like, I need to know what does she know. That's the biggest question for me. I want to know what does she know, what does she see? maybe I'll give you the inside info on that before I leak it to everybody else. I would love it. I would love it. If she's like, do you know any platform for me to talk on? Get her over here? I would do it in a heartbeat. Awesome. But yeah, I appreciate you coming in the studio day. I mean, it was last moment. I mean, we literally, I woke up yesterday and had an email from you. Yeah. And we started communicating, I think a couple hours later. We talked on the phone about an hour or two after that. I'm booking you a plane flight to come here. And so this was just very fast. So I'm glad that you were able to do this. Oh, yeah, my pleasure.

And I'm just glad that we were able to kind of give you the ability to share all the information. Do you feel like you shared all the information? Is there anything that we were leaving out that? I feel like we did a pretty good job here in terms of going through all the highlights. I think we addressed all the major frequently asked questions that people will ask. I'm sure there's more stuff out there that people want to know. But, you know, there's more to come on that. So I think that this gives people an overview of what the investigation is.

What are we looking at? What are the narratives? What is the strongest evidence? You know, and it gives them the breakdown, the deconstruction of the myths that are out there from the media. You know, the pilot's suicide myth, the debris myth. Everybody likes to focus on the debris that was found, but not the debris that wasn't found, the fact that we never found a plane. Right. So that's the strongest stuff that I think people need to pay attention to. And the reality is, what I'll say is that if this rises to higher attention, media attention, this whole thing will unravel and it will turn out to be the largest verifiable conspiracy of all time. Yeah. No, it's funny how information can pacify people. Because I mean,

even me, I think I said either on the show or in the truck on the way over here that I remember seeing them discovering like a piece of the plane. I'm like, oh, must be over. Must be done. You know? And so it's one of those things where it just really pacifies people, just a little bit of information, but the reality is when this happened, people all over the world were looking for this plane. And the common thing was, people were saying, it's like it just disappeared. Yep. The thing is, it did. It did just disappear. Turns out. Yeah, you got two videos showing just that. So pretty amazing. Definitely recommend everybody out there too, watch the videos. You can find all the different versions also on my Twitter. If you want to watch the various

different versions, the strip thermal version is one of my favorites that really shows those trails very clearly. But all of them are just amazing. I think I've watched each of them a thousand times. I'm sure. I'm sure. You probably dream about it by this point. Pretty much.

Yeah. Well, I appreciate you coming in today. Thank you, Tony. Absolutely. Have a great day. Things look a little different when I look at the heavens. Slow from the brush strokes, leave a different impression.

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