The Confessionals - 589: The Alien Interrogation Program

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

In 1997, there was a leaked alien interrogation video that was widely dismissed as a hoax. But fast forward to the present day, and investigative journalist Jon Stewart presents a compelling argument that challenges the prevailing skepticism—it might not be debunked; it could, in fact, be genuine. In this exclusive interview, Jon Stewart takes us on a journey through years of dedicated research, during which he engaged with high-ranking government officials and industry specialists, all in pursuit of determining the authenticity of this astonishing alien interrogation footage. Today, Jon is here to unveil a fresh perspective on this 1997 alien interrogation footage.The Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinWatch The Shape of Shadows: https://www.merkel.media/stream-nowWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0SPONSORSThis episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give onlinetherapy a try at betterhelp.com/yup and get on your way to being your best self.GET Private Internet Access: piavpn.com/confessionalsGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionals60 Promo Code: "confessionals50" for 50% off plus the first box ships for free!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comGET FIRSTLEAF: tryfirstleaf.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICVanTesla - ShutUp N DriveYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Merkel Media This was all circulating around the base That a giant had been killed But no one was supposed to talk about it Boney fingers Reach up underneath the door Curl up to grab it

And then disappear When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me The giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing at this giant But the giant moves He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast.

And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. I got something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small, getting pulled off the best bush. And because I know I'm seeing a monster. When I was in high school in the early 2000s, I came across a video on the early days of the internet

that had me so shook I had to turn off the computer. In 1997, there was a supposed leaked video footage of an alien interrogation. It has since been claimed as debunked. But just a few weeks ago, I was actually asked to be on a program to help interview a man who has been doing investigated journalism on this film. John Stewart comes with a compelling argument to be made that this video is not debunk, but actually the real authentic. thing. When I heard this information, I knew I needed to talk to John Stewart myself in person.

Today, John Stewart joins us here in studio to share all the information he's uncovered during his investigation. For some, this information might be shocking, but for others, this information might be confirmation. All right, today we have a special in-studio guest here. We have John Stewart. How are you, sir? Not that, John Stewart. The other John I'm doing well. Thank you. Thank you for having me down here in Knoxville. I appreciate it. Absolutely. How many times do you get that? Like people, when you say your name and stuff, especially if they don't see the phase. They're like, wait, the John Stewart from TV or what? Right. Well, it's faded from the internet a little bit, but I was the number one news story for like two days.

This was back, I think, in 2008 when a charter school in Ogden, Utah, contacted me to be the host of their gala event. Now, I kept emailing back, are you sure you have the right John Stewart? Yes, yes, yes. And a reporter from a California newspaper said, I don't think you have the right John Stewart. And he broke this story on a slow news day. And my phone started ringing at 4.30 in the morning from people from New York going, you need to turn on the TV.

Why? A 9-11 attack? No, you're all over the news on every channel about the John Stewart, the high school. I'm like, I didn't know. I didn't know. I'm like, what? They're like, if they thought it would.

the other John Stewart. I'm like, I told these people that I'm not the, I turned on the TV, it was Fox, CNN, Good Morning America. I was on Inside Edition. I must have done 30, 40 interviews in two days. It got to the point where you could not hang up the phone at my house, that it would be ringing from someone. And by the second day, and I was, I'm the only, I'm the third, pro wrestlers love to pull themselves, out and put it themselves on the mountain top. But I'm only one of three pro wrestlers in history that was on the splash cover page of AOL. I know that's an old for that whole debacle.

Yeah. But it was the second day and I picked up the phone. I'm like, hello, this is Channel 1 of Banatoba, Canada. Can we tell? I'm like, and I'm like, that's it. It was just, so it was a crazy. So, yes, I have gotten, you know, but I use it sometimes too. You know, I remember my wife when I were in St. Louis and she called Ruth Chris Steakhouse.

We are totally packed. She's like, well, I'm calling for John Stewart. Is there any way? He's like, oh, yes. See you at 6 o'clock. So I show up in the host, it was a tall gentleman. This is downtown St. Louis. He's like, your name.

I said, John Stewart, and he kind of is like surreptitiously slump like, oh, this isn't. And they put me in a back room with a St. Louis Rams football player because the team was in St. Louis back then. But the people were very nice to me. So, you know, I've used it to some degree in my benefit. But yes, I've, it's done me well. And my mom wanted me, name me J-O-N. She wanted me to be different.

So she got all their money's worth. Oh, yeah. You have me considering changing my name. Like, I need to change it to like Dwayne Johnson. Right. Exactly. That's crazy. And I can understand in the sense that like, you're like,

are you sure you have the right John Stewart? Because it makes sense that they're contacting you that, okay, yeah, I get contact about things. Because it's not like you're John Stewart that drives tractor trailer, you know, every day. Like you, professional wrestler, you ran for Congress. Exactly. So you do have a resume.

Right. And so you're just like, okay, you know. And the principal of that school called me is like John, you know, the teacher that booked you. She has ADD. I'm like, I have ADD too. So I really feel bad for her because this is, this is me. I didn't tell you this, but I booked the hotel in Nashville, not Knoxville two days ago.

And I'm looking yesterday, I'm like, this is in, you know, I saw a Ville. Oh, yeah, instead of saying Knoxville, you know, I'm infamously in my pro wrestling days, there was a TV taping in Rochester, Minnesota. The next day was Minneapolis, a civic center. I'm in Minneapolis the day before pulling up to the arena and the security guards looking around. He goes, yes. Like, I'm here for the wrestling event. Where do the wrestlers park? And he's like, well, when there's wrestling, they park over there.

But he goes, but there ain't no wrestling here until tomorrow. So I call the box office in Mayo Civic Center in Rochester and Greg Gagne from the neighborhood. He gets on the phone. He goes, you freaking idiot. It's Rochester, Minneapolis, not Minneapolis, Rochester, not Minneapolis, Roch. He goes, this has never happened. I've been promoting with my dad for 30 years. This has never happened.

He goes, how stupid can you be? And, you know, so I am driving down. And when you see me on the match on ESPN, my hair is like Zorber the Greek, you know, that from the 1960s, Anthony Quinn. My hair is all over the place from, I had a convertible at the time. and stuff. Unbelievable. And this is great that, you know, I'm breaking the biggest story in human history. But God uses, you know, the most unlikely messengers sometimes to break some, you know,

the most unlikely stories. Yeah. And what's interesting is that, you know, all right, so you're here, obviously, you know, we're a paranormal show, and what you're doing is you are breaking one of the biggest stories in human history. And we're going to get into that, the alien video. video footage. But it's interesting how, like, you ever meet somebody that you're just like, dude, what haven't you done? You know, like, for instance, Joe Rogan. He's, he's been around

the MMA doing announcing since, like, the beginning. He's one of the most famous comedians in the world. He was one of the best, I think was, Taekwondo or, no, it wasn't Taekwondo. I forget what it was, but martial arts. Like, he was one of the best in the world. And now he's the best podcast in the world. It's like, dude, everything you do, you do well, you know? And that's how I feel about you're doing stuff because like running for Congress, a governor, professional wrestler, now breaking one of the most, you know, amazing video footage ever. Yeah, you know, I, um, they thought I had, I'm getting deeply personal right now, but this sets up my life. I, they thought I had cancer at my freshman year at Memphis State. Wow. You know, I'm talking about,

hi, Mr. Stewart, you, we need, you need to come back for another blood test. x-rays. This wasn't, well, something's wrong. This was like the follow-up, you're in trouble. And, you know, 19 years old, I had a friend in high school whose brother died of non-Hodgkins lymphoma. And I very rarely talk about this story, and I'm not doing this for a traumatic effect or anything. But when I was cleared that I didn't have cancer, I just had inflammation of my lymph nodes. I still think I had cancer because I had every single aspect of the disease from my groin hurting when I drank alcohol to night sweats and whatever. So when I was cleared of not having cancer, you know, there's a silver line in anything.

I realize that life is very short and can be even shorter. And so I have been, and my, I was raised by, my parents were always happy when I was growing up. Thank God. And I was raised by a wonderful woman. My dad worked so much on being a car dealer. I raised by just a wonderfully optimistic and joyful woman. And I just know how precious life is. And I'm not saying that for dramatic effect.

I just do. I just know that it can be taken away. Look at the industry I was in. 70 people that I've traveled with, cried with, laughed with, wrestled, made money with, you know, shared hotel rooms are dead. You know, so I understand the brevity of life and I understand that life is that precious. So, you know, I, although in my opinion, I was not. successful at a lot of things. I did try a lot to do a lot of things just because life to me was like a smorgasbord. And I just want to at the end of my time on this earth say, I tried. I did

stuff. I tasted life. I experienced as much as I could. I got up off the couch when a lot of people sat on the couch. I stood up for what was wrong sometimes in my life at the right times. And I enjoyed every process of my life. I was condemned in my early years and I could you could ask

some of these the wrestlers back asked Jerry Lawler I was condemned and not liked in my first year of pro wrestling down in the Memphis

territory because why does he smile so much? What's he so happy for? So that's just my personality you know

that that's just I just realize that every day is a gift and I don't mean that to be a cliche and I was a I was fortunate to have that experience of thinking you have a terminal cancer and you didn't.

Yeah. I mean, it's interesting how like things set us off on life. And people see that stuff from childhood. A bad childhood can set you on a trajectory that you never were meant to be on. You know, I mean, I think about this a lot. Like, there's so much untapped potential in this world for people who never had the dream birthed inside of them. You know, they never taught how to dream about life. They were scared.

They thought they weren't able to do things. They looked at, they look at the world as, because we have a very centric view of ourselves. We are the main character in our story. And when you start feeling like the main character in your story is the loser, the underdog, the one that fades away and never wins, that sets you up for the rest of your life. And it's, and the crazy thing is the only way to get out of that is for the main character

to start literally believing that they can push that bubble and make it pop. It's, it's, and I kind of was there myself, you know, years ago. But I'm really like living proof of that. I mean, I made a decision that I'm not going to be that. And I'm going to change the narrative of this character. And I've changed the path. And everybody can do that. But I think that they don't realize it's almost like you're like they, like whether they

believe it or not, it's like they act like they live. in a matrix and everything's been pre-set for them. Absolutely. And it's just like you can make it whatever you want. Right. You know, I was very fortunate. My one from high school says, God, John Stewart's parents must have bad, you know, incredibly patient people.

But no one ever told me no or I couldn't do it. Not a football coach, not a baseball coach. Not my religion teacher in high school who, when I told him it was my dream to be I mean, everyone in the northwest side of Chicago knew John Stewart wanted to be a pro wrestler. I mean, it was just, I was a great football player, and I wanted to be a pro wrestler. And did it six months out of high school. I mean, six months out of high school, I was on TV with a character for Jerry Lawler, while still in Memphis State College wrestling, walking around campus the following Monday, you know,

wrestling at the Coliseum. I'm not saying that to impress anybody, but to impress upon, especially not. nowadays with Google, the Internet. There's no excuse for anything anymore. You can be anyone you want to be. You can do anything you want to be. If you're an accountant, but your dream is to be a race car driver, okay, maybe that's not going to happen because you don't have $30 million to invest in race car driving,

but you're an accountant. Maybe you could go be a bookkeeper for a NASCAR team, and now you're around it, you're immersed in it. I'm just using that as an example. You know, go to Google. How do I be an astronaut? How do I be a pro wrestler? How do I this and that?

And I credit not only other UFO experts, but I credit the Internet for helping me on this alien investigation. I don't think. And I'm looking you in the eye, you know, and I speak about my emotions, and I try and be as honest about my experience. Honest, meaning emotionally honest. I don't know if I could have pulled this off and done this investigation as successful as it went if it wasn't for the Internet. of simply being able to look at somebody's, get their phone records, find out where they live,

write them a card, knock on their door, which I've done, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know,

I'm part stalker. You know, Robert Bigelow's, Robert Bigelow's assistant, Dr. Com Keller, I'm surprised he hasn't called the Las Vegas police. Like,

this guy won't stop emailing us. You need it. But that's my tenacity. But I couldn't have done contacted these people if it wasn't for the internet. So the biggest story, I think, in the planet, the alien phenomenon,

is somewhat being proved to some degree by a, you know, a guy that's not that smart, half Rick Flair, half George Costanza, you know, I'm talking about myself, and that's because I had access to information. I had knowledge, or I had information, the alien phenomenon.

Our government is covering up something, but I didn't have information, and the internet gave me information. So I'm telling anyone, I don't care where you live, where you're from, who your parents are, who aren't your parents, your circumstances. If you're being bullied at high school, if you're the star of the football team, you can do anything you want. Maybe not to the degree that you see it as, but trust me, I am living proof that a dingling with ADD, but who was willing to try could really do something. some miraculous things with their lives. That's awesome. I love every opportunity I get with doing what we do to inspire people. It's been one of my goals ever since I started this.

I wanted to educate people, entertain people, and inspire people. Those are my three goals. And I think what we just did here is hopefully inspire people to understand that life is malleable and you can make it what you want. And the people who have been listening to my show, I mean, we just came out with, I think It was like episode 580 something. God bless you. It's just, it's like people have been listening since episode one.

Yeah. They've seen the transition, you know? They heard this guy who just started a podcast who was a truck driver. Right. And just figuring things out as he goes to now we're building a media company doing movies, documentaries, all this stuff. And it's just like, I wasn't taught how to do this. I didn't go to school for this.

I'm a college dropout that barely graduated high school. Right. You just do stuff, you know? Right. And I think fear is a big thing. and also... It's hard. Oh, very hard.

I mean, I want everyone to... I'm going to look at the camera. It's hard to be successful. If you're not in a trust fund or you're not a sheik's son in Dubai, it's hard to be successful. You think it's easy? I want to watch YouTube. I want to watch ghetto fights. And I want to watch the videos where they shave cows' hooves and pull out nails of cow.

I'm not lying to you. I don't want to go to my computer and write manuscripts and make calls. for the, you know, it's hard. But, you know, if you can find the will to break through that, to spend five minutes, an hour a day, or two hours a week, you know, I ask everyone, when they tell me, John, I want to, what are you doing about it? Yeah. You know, what are you doing about it? I think there's also an anxiety that people have, like, when they're at the edge, and they got to take that step. And that next step, it's right. Your gut is saying, this is the step towards success.

Right. But there's also the fear of failure, but also the anxiety that you have of interaction of other people and letting them see the dream you're on. Totally. For instance, like Tim Burchett, the congressman. Who I'm going to see after our program. Are you serious? Tim Burchett is the one that I gave my, this investigation to.

I flew to D.C. You know, I mean, you know, let me set this up just a little bit. I know we're getting a little bit. You know you're in his district. Oh, I, okay. So I flew to D.C. You know, here I am a guy that ran for Congress. I've had an article published on my congressional campaign in the New York Times magazine.

I ran for governor of the Libertarian Party. I was on the ballot for Secretary of State last November. Out of respect, I flew to Washington, D.C., drove to his office and handed his staff this investigation, this packet, which basically shows what this film was, who was in the room, viewing this being. where the being was from, the designation of this being, classification. And I didn't hear back from anybody. And I emailed and they said, the first hearing, you are not going to be called. Okay.

And I sent another email. I'm like, look, I just watched David Grush's testimony. This guy's taught, this agent of the government with acute top security clearance just told Congress, people are being and have been murdered to keep this secret quiet. Do you think I could get some kind of acknowledgement like hide in the open? Hi, everybody. This is Tim Burchett. You know, it's the letter. Mr. Stewart, we've accepted your investigation into Project Aquarius. We thank you. We will, if we need be, a plan on calling you in the future. And I understand the media, especially in Chicago. Oh, God, John Stewart, the wrestler. Now he's talking about

the government has aliens and craft. But when David Grush came forward, I said, oh, the phone's going to not stop ringing. I've been telling everyone this from the New York Times, Leslie Keene and Ralph Blumenthal, who I met in New York, I'm not getting that of myself, to Gideon Lewis of the New Yorker magazine, that this program is real. So when David Grush came out, I'm like, oh, when I go to Tim Burchett's office. They're going to call me in four minutes saying, get your ass back here. Walk us through. You know, and I send him still photographs of this film. I mean, this is very heavy stuff. And I've been ignored by Timberchette. So, you know, the tenacity level that I have had that I should have had in pro wrestling and in politics, if I would have had this tenacity

level, I would have been Vince McMahon's right-hand man. I mean, I call, I stalk, I show up, I knock on doors. and I'm going to his office after our telecast to say, look, what, what, what are you not? David Grush told you no names, no facilities. He was, because of his security clearances, couldn't say this, couldn't say that. I am giving you the who, what, when, where, why, and dates of David Grush's testimony.

I ran for Congress, and I was a candidate for Secretary of State. The governor of Illinois tells everyone, there's not a person in the state of Illinois that says a bad word about John Stewart. I'm not a 20-year-old in my mom's basement typing manifestos. Why are you not at least acknowledging that I came to your office,

dropped off this investigation, and I'm going to go there after this, and I'm going to cause a problem, but I'm just going to ask again, what is going on? And I'm going back to D.C. I'm not going to say the date. It's going to be in October

because I've given up almost on Rep, you know, Representative Gallagher from Wisconsin. Listen to this, folks. I drove seven-hour round trip. This is the man that put in the UAP amendment for whistleblowers. I drove seven hours round trip. Again, out of respect to hand-deliver the investigation. Never heard from them.

All of the Green Bay media, the Green Bay media that's doing stories on Girl Scout Cookie Day, you know, told them, look, I'm a former candidate for governor. I went up to rep. I want whistleblower protection. I have no idea the kind of threat that might be on myself, even though I don't think that anymore. In the media, not even to do a story on that. And rep Gallagher, not even calling me back. And again, when Grush testified, I'm like, oh, Rep.

Mike Gallagher is going to call me into nobody. And so, yeah, so I need to pay Tim a visit. But what I'm going to do in October is I'm going to, there's like three or four female congresswoman. and I'm going to ask them for their help. You know, and yeah, I'm kind of like wrestling where I'm pitting the male congressmen against female. But I firmly believe that these female congresswomen like Mace and AOC and Bobart and Marjorie Taylor Green, that they are not as structured as a regular congressperson. in Washington, that they would be willing to come forward and say, look, this guy is giving us

the time, the dates, the facilities, the program names that David Grush couldn't. His name is John Stewart. We accept his investigation into Congress. That's all I'm looking for. I don't have to testify. I don't have to be on the front cover of the New York Times, but it's getting to that point now where, you know, that this investigation has to come to the forefront of the mainstream media.

Remind me after we're done recording, there is a connection that I want to give you, or at least explore with you, that might really help you propel even well beyond what I can offer. So just don't let me forget. That's why I would have to type that down. Even Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, and I'm not jumping forward. I know I keep saying that. That's fine. I spent six hours with them at the Midtown Hilton in August of last year.

and two hours into my presentation, Ralph Blumenthal, one of whose, I would love the guy to be my uncle. I love the guy. But he waved his hands and he's like, stop. We believe you. Stop. You know, this, and they were just going through the photos. And Ralph was impressed that I would get out of my car, knock on doors like, you know,

all the, you know, like Dustin Offman and, and, and, and all the president's men movie, you know, I was an old school journalist. I know what that entails. It entails getting out of your house, knocking. Ralph Laugh that I would put notes on people's car windshield. The true story. You know, to get them to talk to me, to get them to call me. So they're like, the New York Times isn't buying this. It's just you're not in the military. If we can get somebody in the military to come forward, you're going to be on the front time in the New York Times. They didn't actually say that, but we can do this story. And when Grush came out, Leslie and Ralph, you know, and I've email them. I don't want to get into a where they are, don't like me anymore. Yeah. But it's,

I, I'm very, I'm a little offended. And especially that now my story can't even be in like the debris for, you know, the New York Post or something, because Leslie and Ralph do freelance, too. And I don't know what else I have to do other than rolling out the body, which I don't have and I never will have. And so it's been, it's been a struggle and to get up and to keep doing this every day. I think the car business, the automobile industry, politics, pro wrestling,

it has molded me into the guy that I am now, which is I'm never giving up. I'm going all the way. Yeah. And people better, you know, understand that. Yeah, well, I'm glad they,

I think they will. And especially after today, because we're giving you the opportunity to go from the beginning. Right. The genesis of all this and work it all the way to current times. So I told you before we started and I'm telling everybody now, there is no time on this.

I want you to just share in detail everything that you have been through and every step of the way. Sure. And to get this going, I want to let people know kind of just my experience with this film is taking me back to the early 2000s. And if I can remember correctly, I believe it was this film. but I remember sitting at my parents' house, AOL internet, dial up, and this thing called the internet. And I'm just like... Because it was one of the first videos on the internet. Yeah. And I'm sitting at my parents' house, this redneck kid in Pennsylvania, not knowing

what the internet is and not... I didn't know how to use a computer. I didn't know how to use a computer until I got to college. And they're like, you need to use a computer. I'm like, I have a typewriter. I had no idea. And so I'm right with you, in the way. I just typed in something with interest. I probably typed in Alien or something. That's see what would come up on this magic machine. Yeah.

And this video came up. And it probably took an hour to load. But I remember watching it and getting so scared because I'd never saw anything. It was the same feeling I had when I, and you call me a wimp if you want, but when the movie signs came out and that alien walked across the camera and they showed it on the TV. And Merrill gets scared and he jumps back. That's what I did when I watched the movie. I was scared. I was like I'd never saw anything like that before. Movies don't show these things.

Like it was just like, whoa, you know? And that's how I felt when I saw this film. It scared me. I had to turn off the computer. I didn't know what I was looking at. And so this is the film we're discussing today. And you did a thorough investigation into it. You know the names, people connected to it. And you've been spending a lot of your time, energy and money to get this information out to the world.

And that's why we're here today. So I want you to kind of take us, how did you come across the video? Sure. How did you start taking it serious and what were the steps involved here? Yeah. Let me just give two real quick stories because how does a automobile dealer and, you know, former pro wrestler and a guy that was, you know, running for governor, you know, get involved in alien. You know, I've always been interested in the paranormal and euphology.

Always. I wasn't a researcher of it, but I was always interested in it. I had two really strange bizarre events. One was not documented. One was documented because I emailed Stanton, Friedman. I emailed Jim Mars, and I called John Lear, three people. The first one was in 1988. Now, I'm 20 years old. I'm about to go to Singapore and Indonesia to wrestle. I'm in college. I'm chasing every young lady on campus that I can. I'm living in Chicago, suburbs of Chicago.

You know, ufology and politics was about as far out of my ecosystem as anything as a finger painting and I fall asleep and I have a daydream like a like a semi-lucid again 20 years old in college chasing women pro wrestler bet ready to go to Singapore worried about term papers I have a semi-lucid dream that I'm the governor of Illinois I'm looking you straight at that I'm the governor of the Illinois on a hill and it's like the scene before This is 88. So this was before the Armageddon battle scenes of, I think Lord of the Rings or, you know, whatever.

Okay. Way before that. But it was that type of scene, like 500,000 aliens coming towards me and other people. And I remember the sky being red. Okay, for whatever. Whatever. Okay.

Let's move on. Now, just remember that. 1988, 20 years old, I'm a governor of Illinois fighting aliens. I think people can get how bizarre. And I'm just saying, I'm not saying that God did this. I'm talking about when you put something in your brain, okay, 30 years prior, be careful. Put stuff in your brain, that's good.

I want to have a nice wife. I want to be a good dad. I want to, you know, put that kind of stuff in your brain. Okay. Now, about two months before I saw this film, I think this is one of the creepiest things that I can ever. And again, I emailed Stanton Friedman to help me digest what was going on. called John Lear. I had a pay to do that. He was having that service. You pay $20. You can call him. I just want to tell people that all this is legit. I'm not just throwing out. And I emailed Jim, Jim Mars. I call him Tex-Mars a lot. He died. He's the journalist with the mustache from Texas who did JFK and Uphology books. It's 1997. It's 1 o'clock in the morning. I am sitting on, laying on my couch, like with my feet up and my back against like the armrest. I'm reading William Cooper's book.

book, Behold a Pale Horse, a famous book. By the way, who in 1987 says that there was going to, there's going to be a ramp up of school shootings and to take guns away. I find, I found that very prophetic. You know, this guy was writing this 30 years ago. So he's talking about, look, if the government wants to hone in on you, they can see, you know, telepathically to some degree what you're looking at. If you are at their target, I'm going, come on. I know there's aliens, But this is crazy, crazy, crazy. I'm reading. I'm reading.

My pager goes off. You know, again, this is 97. I have a pageer. Look at the number. Call up the phone. A lady answers. And you can hear music in the background like a rave party. It's like, boom, boom.

She's like, hello? And I'm like, hi, I just got a page. She's like, I didn't page you anyone. I'm like, okay. I'm like, who is this? She's like, I'm making this name. Laura. Oh.

well is this your number she's like yeah this is your number but this is like my private line i i'm the general manager of x caliber nightclub in chicago okay i'm like and you didn't page me she's like no and she goes you know what's kind of this she's just one o'clock in the morning she's a she's a spry as a i she said you know what's weird is that there's four people that have this phone number my husband the two owners and the general manager she goes and she asked me the general man i'm like no i don't know she's like i have no idea who would have put in this number. Nobody knows this number.

This is my private line and my private office. I'm like, I'm so sorry. This is the general manager of Excalibur. And not five minutes. Seven to 15 seconds later, I sit down on the couch. I read the last chapter,

and I remember the page was here, I read the last sentence. I turn the page, the top of the page, the Excalibur project. And, you know, I don't know if you've, I don't know if, I've been knocked out before. Corporal Kirchner punched me in Japan, knocked me out. I, you know, I, you know, I relieved my bowels.

And I'm not being disgusting or sick. I'm just saying, I didn't know whether to crap or go blind. Wow. And I froze. I'm like, this is, this just happened seven seconds ago. This wasn't two days later and now I read the Excalibur. I am, and I hate saying this, but on the souls. of my family, I am telling you, this is the God's honest truth. But more importantly, the

time frame, it was instantaneous. I sat down, read the last line, turned the page, Excalibur Project. Go and be able to pale horse. You'll see the chapter. And the lady from, who was the general manager of X caliber. And I'm like, holy crap. What, again, pages before that is, we can see what you're reading. And, oh, this guy, and it's almost like, oh, this guy doesn't believe us. okay. I mean, I'm pretending to be in a bunker in the Army, NRO or whatever. But that, you know, I'm whatever. And I got so freaked out that I actually emailed Stanton Friedman the entire situation and made sure it was Stanton. This was 30, you know, 10, 15, 30 seconds later, X Collar Project. And Stan Friedman wrote me and said, quote, the mathematical possibilities of that

happening, especially in the time frame, I can't remember his wording. Is, you, you know, is next, it's impossible, meaning that there's another explanation. That's not coincidence. And that freaked me out. Here's this physicist. You know, we obviously saw that I was sincere. Jim Mars said the same thing. He goes, well, you know, what do you think it is?

And I wrote back, I'm like, well, in this book it says it's the government. He goes, who else could have done that? Who else could have known that the next page was Excalibur project, paged you to the Excalibur nightclub to a phone number that no one has. Who could have done that? I'm like, and I remember writing back, I'm like, aliens are the government. He's like, you got it, son. I never forget, he called me son. And then I called John Lear. And John Lear is like, you know, John, there's four aliens digging holes in your backyard. Yes, yes, I called him over the other day. I mean, he's so, matter of fact, nothing bothers him. And he said, backed up with Bill Cooper said,

He goes, look, they have the technology to peer into your thoughts or to peer, you know, and he didn't say remote viewing back then, but I don't know if that's what it was. And I still don't know if this was the one in a trillionth coincidence. Part of my credibility as a journalist and investigator is to not make declarative statements unless I've got, you know, and people appreciate that. Not everyone on the internet, but people, most people. appreciate, hey, this guy is just telling you what happened. You did, you figure it out. Yeah. So those two, so those two instances, so the, the, the Excalibur incident really made me think

maybe there's things out there that we don't understand, and especially with our government, and it, it made the John Stewart radar dish go live, you know, go hot and start spinning. I move downtown. I tell the story. I don't tell this to impress anybody. It's 1997. I'm running for state rep. I'm a part-time pro wrestler. I'm driving an eight-year-old black Porsche. I got a boat on Lake Michigan.

I'm dating this super sexy, nice blonde, who's my wife now of 24 years? Awesome. God, that poor woman. We are living the life. We have a condo downtown in what's called the Gold Coast of Chicago. Again, I'm not impressing. I'm impressing by people, just like when I was in college. You know, and I'm living this great life, and my buddies call me,

hey, you've got to watch this alien interview on the UPN network. I originally thought it was Fox. It was on the UPN network. An upstart, it was an upstart network back then. I'm thinking alien interview. You know, again, this is George Costanza. I'm thinking a weirdly weird-looking person at the Pentagon is going to hand a clipboard to a general, and they're going to do an interview for a job, and it's going to be on closed circuit.

I'm telling you, that's what's going through my, So I have my potato chips and my, you know, in my drink and I'm ready, 30 minutes into it, I'm like, what is that? You know, I know about gray aliens, but this is brown. I know gray aliens have almond eyes. This has round eyes. It looks like no one's trying to hoax this. And I've been trying to figure out the word. And an internet person, by the way, the people on the internet have been awesome to me.

I'm talking about just regular interested people who have just given me tidbits and vernacular. And somebody on the internet said it's just so casual, so non-professional. And I'll give you a scenario later on about how I interpret that. There's two military people, their shoulders are kind of getting into the camera view. It's one shot, one camera. There's no cuts. the doctors come in to tend to this being that's in distress. They're not in biohazard suits.

If you and I were hoaxing this, I'd have them in PSP or whatever you call, you know, the pressurized bio suits. Because the question is, how can we make this look good? Exactly. And no one's trying in this video. Now, how would I know about Hollywood? Well, being in the pro wrestling industry since 86, I know about production and camera production and I shot TV commercials.

And I, you know, I was around, I knew a lot of Hollywood people. I knew someone who was on the periphery of the Boundach Saints group. Remember the guy that directed and wrote Boundock Saints? There was a documentary on him. I knew someone in that periphery, and he would always talk to me about Hollywood and production. And I'm like, this is, this, something is not right here. This is either the worst hoax documentary on the planet Earth or this is so casual. that this might have been something real.

And it's almost like when you hear something in childhood or you see something, you know, in your childhood and it triggers back years later like, like, you know, what is bothering me, hang, hung over me. It's like being diagnosed with something when you're 20 and you know in your 40s, it's going to be the end. It hangs over you, looms over you. It's the only way I can describe what this video was in my brain.

And again, to hang in my brain with this crazy lifestyle of wrestling and the car business and flying around the country to buy cars and running my family car dealership and part-time wrestling and running for Congress to John Stewart Fiat. I mean, my life was having two children and then a stepson and having a family and vacations. I mean, just I would, that was, I did not have the lifestyle of somebody that was, you know, that would, that would, that would, uh, uh, hone in and, and have something bother them. I was, you know, it was like, my brain was always a duck's back. It had to be like that. I always had just too information, too much information coming in at all times. But this never left. So I'm running for United States Congress. And let me just, I'm sure you'll show them the film a billion times. in this production. Yeah. On the bottom of this film is digital overlay graphics. It's something I found out because I interviewed VHS people from the 80s. Again, I hope people are impressed, at least, of the lengths of my investigation, like

a true journalist. I just didn't accept information. And we're looking at the camera. I just didn't accept information at things I was shown, things I was told, emails that I was sent. I vetted every single bit of information three and four times. To the point where Ralph Blumenthal of the New York Times went, stop. I get it.

Okay. So go email Ralph. Did John Stewart at least vet everything? Okay. So it says DNI Delta November Igloo slash 27. This I think is the this I think is the 27 will end up being the explosion, the nuclear bomb of this investment. In my opinion. So Victor the Whistleblower, and this is a two-minute 56-second film that was brought out by a man who called himself Victor, the whistleblower.

And I will tell you the whole story about him. I'm just talking about John Stewart in 97 watching this film. And he tells us that DNI, this film was made for the Department of Naval Intelligence, which doesn't exist. To this day, doesn't exist. Hokes, right? Yeah, folks. Sure. I'm running for Congress.

this film starts bugging me. Why would you take all this money, a very great-looking animatronic alien, if it was animatronic? Why would you put an acronym of a facility or a government agency that doesn't exist? Proving you hoax this. I would have put CIA, FBI, NSA, Area 51,

biohazard suits. You would not put a name and an acronym on that film if that did not exist. I'm running for Congress. 1999, I'm getting a huge media coverage by the national media because of Jesse Ventura's fame. And Bob Becklin, W.W.E. Wrestler is also running for Congress in Connecticut. We're on talk show after talk show. The New York Times Magazine does an article on us. I mean, again, I was not running for dog catcher.

I was a congressional campaign, the only congressional campaign that had national media exposure. I don't care what anyone says. So I drop out of the race because there's no chance I don't have the money to pull this off. And Mark Kirk, who was the legislative aid of the congressman who was retiring, we became friends. I dropped out and endorsed him. He has a bus tour of the district. And he brings in a senator who used to be in the Navy, who was a POW. He's deceased now.

They told me don't mention his name anymore until the documentary. Okay, I won't, but I think everyone, gray hair from a really hot state, P.W, Navy Navy pilot, Senator, a long-time senator. I think everyone knows what I'm talking about. And Mark Kirk was a naval aviator, radar intercept officer on an EAB prowler. And after he makes a speech, he gets off the stage. I have a picture with him, you know. And I said, Senator, I said, great, my dad was in the Navy.

he was a troubleshooter in the air training squadron of Corpus Christi on the F9 Phanom. He's like, oh yeah, I should have went there, but I went to Corpus Cris to a Pensacola instead of Corpus Christi, you know, tell your dad, thank you for his service. So before we get back on the bus,

can I ask you a real quick question? Sure. You know, Charlie, happy, and the band's playing. I mean, can you see the scene? Yeah. And, you know, people are around us like, okay, come on, ask you on, you know, because I really want to take pitches with them.

I said, what is the department? of naval intelligence. Tony, he looks at me. His eyes get like coal. He gets this aggressive look and he's like, I don't have to tell you anything like that. And you shouldn't ask questions like that. Turns around and storms into the bus doesn't talk to me for the rest of the day. Now, I've told this story to journalists and investigative reporters. And they all, there are all their eyebrows go, oh, we've had that moment. You know, when you tell the mafia hitman, his code word for the hit he did in, in Jersey in 1962. or whatever, and he's, or you tell a senator or a politician, you know, the name of a secret program

that they've been funneling money from or, you know, the name of their mistress or whatever. I got caught. Yeah, it's called the third rail. When you've touched the third rail, sorry. You're fine. And they said, and you experienced that. And I asked legitimate investigative journalists. Wow.

They all said the same thing. I'd start investigating the Department of Naval Intelligence. So I do, since we have time here, I do wrap-ups because I think it's really important. We all have ADD. We're a 60-second sound-bait generation. I do wrap-ups. Folks, I'm just want to ask you a question. On a network that just started that had no money on a program called Strange Universe, okay, this wasn't a lone documentary.

This was a documentary special on a program. Listen to me. I'm not trying to beguile you or convince you. just listen to me. It's my, it is my follow-up stories that will make you go, hmm,

with this, with my investigation, not the, not the information that we're showing you. Very important. On a, on a program that they didn't pay the people

for the first four episodes, Strange Universe, I have been told by two people couldn't afford to pay their staff. This $150, $100,000, $150,000, thousand dollar three minute film meaning that the animatronic alien if that's what it is the crew

wardrobe craft catering rent the studio um manipulate this whole thing five animatronic people were told it would it would have to be five people that's how complicated this was can i least say 100 000 people are telling me that a hacker a side job guy um and i'll get into this too this a side job guy in 96 maybe could have created that for 10, 15 grand. So I have changed my vernacular saying that, oh, would have cost $150. No, it would have. However, $100,000 production on a network

and a network show that couldn't afford to pay its staff in the beginning. Does that make any sense? Okay, just saying, I'm not making a declarative statement. A film where guys are, their shoulders are showing in the screen, the medics come in like they're, they just, having a cup of coffee in the break room with short-sleeves scrubs, okay, and masks, which is, I found out, bile hazard level two in the government. That's all you're required, mask and gloves.

Really? And a United States senator has just turned into, you know, kujo, you know, like a demon, over three letters on the bottom of a supposed hoax film on an agency that doesn't exist. No, I think we could stop right there to say something with this film ain't, and I'm using bad English, ain't right, and, you know, something's going on. Yeah. And I tell you what I think is not going on, that somebody hoax this, you know, at least at the level of this, of the, of this film. And I remember doing the, whoa, whoa, what, what is going on? Put it out of my mind again. I got a 9-11 happens.

I'm running a retail automobile dealership in 9-11, the 0-8 housing crisis, the dot-com, boom, the recession, the two recessions, two stock market crashes, hyperinflation, cash for clunkers, everything. You couldn't put any more pressure on my father and I and my friends in the car business. Sure. And I'm not crying, oh, poor John. I'm just saying, how big. busy mentally I was, having a beautiful family and doing all of that.

But COVID happens. And Tony, for the first time in my life, and I don't say this proudly, I had some time off that wasn't a result of an injury in wrestling or vacation. I was a workaholic, and I don't say that braggingly. It's the first time I had some time off. And I remember coming home one day, and this film was hovering that day. that specific day was just on me, on me, on me, on me. Maybe the COVID and the whole weirdness of the world,

you know, what was also weird in my life, you know, this alien film. And I remember getting home about four hours early and I was in my driveway. I can detail the moment. They had just blackedop my driveway. I was in a gray 2014 Hyundai Sonata hybrid. It's just because it's so attached to my brain. And I'm like, said to myself, John, you got four hours. Let's figure out something on this film.

You can investigate. You know how to do this. You know, you've tracked people in the car business and, you know, because they owed me money, not because I was stalking anyone. That's later in life. Yeah, you know, yeah. I became the stalk. No. So figure something out.

Do something. Call some of your Hollywood friend. I don't know. So I'm like, there's this bizarre monitor to the left of the being where the blip goes up and down. It does not go across. I'm like, well, that was something tangible in that video that maybe I can sink my teeth in. So for two or three hours, while sitting in my car on the driveway, I started to research what that bizarre monitor is that I had never seen before in my life, whether on a TV show, documentary or in real life.

I'm, what was I, 50 years old at the time? So trying to be a good journalist, a good investor. Investigator vetting my sources. I find three PhD students that did the complete history of physiological monitors. They were from Sweden. In 10-50, again, remember what I said about the Internet and thank God? In 10-15 minutes, one of them emails me back. What do you got?

They did the history of physiological monitors. I've already, I'm at the top of the mountain of experts. I send him the film. I don't send him the bean. I crop it out because I don't want to scare or wear these people out. I get an email in five minutes. I've got this.

Now the government has taken emails twice off my phone. People are like, oh, wait a minute. He said that the government stole, they didn't swipe the sent emails. Remember that people. If you have an AOL and Google have had problems with this. If you have an email that goes missing, a lot of times it's if you've sent an email back,

that whole chain of, emails is in that sent emails. Am I making sense? Okay. So I have this chain of these of these PhDs. He wrote me back. He said, I, I, we have no idea what this is. I, for the life of me, don't even know what I'm looking at. What is this? I said, it's supposedly from an underground government facility. This was used by the government. He said, I wish I could help you. I don't, We don't know with what this monitor is. It looks like a type of physiological monitor. We've never seen it.

These are PhD candidates who did the history of physiological monitors. So he knew that he was looking at a monitor. He just didn't recognize the monitor. Well, sure. So it wasn't like he was like saying, you cropped this thing out. I don't even know what this is. Right.

He knew that he was looking at a piece of, because this is another great story in the investigation. Great meaning it was an aha moment, which I think are, It's, you know, those are, when I have on a whole moment, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm happy. I'm happy because I'm, I'm, I'm having success at what I'm trying to do. So, so, so I'm like, okay. Now, I think most people would have stopped right there. I've never, said, I've never seen this monitor in movies, TV, in person, I've got three experts telling me there's, this thing is never, they've never seen this ever. Just, okay, that this is proving to be that this might be that this might be, that this might be, real. I didn't stock there. I found out through the internet that the, really the only two companies making physiological monitors in the 80s and 90s when this film was supposedly taken or shot, was Hewlett-Packard and Space Labs, not to be confused with SpaceX, Space Labs, who did

physiological monitors for NASA? Remember what I'm telling you. Space Labs did physiological monitors with NASA. Now, I get this mixed up. Who, the cranky old guy I talked to? I said he was from Hewlett-Packard. I looked back at my emails. He was from space labs. So I call Yula Packard. I asked for the physiological engineering department because these people would know everything. They've seen concepts and drawing board sketches. And I get a guy in the phone.

I tell him exactly what was going on. He said, send it to me. Send it to him. Same thing as the PhD people. I have never seen this before. I'm like, how long have you been doing this? Developing physiological monitors for 20 plus years. I said, and you've never seen this, he's like, no, and I don't understand why.

And there's a scientific name, again, this is my ADD. I've had so much information. There's a scientific name for the blip that usually goes across. He said, that doesn't make sense why that would stand alone because that's not monitoring a human, like a human harpy. Like it has to move because it's mimicking like the rhythm of our, of our, of our, Respiratory system, if I'm hatcheting this, forgive me. I'm just kind of extrapolating what he told me on the phone five years ago. It's a great store now.

Now I call space labs. Same thing. Can I have the physiological monitor engineering department? Young man answers. I'm a researcher. I'm a documentarian, which I wasn't at the time. But what do you tell people? Hi, I'm a used car dealer, ex-pro wrestler.

I'm studying aliens. Can I talk to somebody? You know what I'm? I'm talking like a south side Chicago guy. forgive me um so so the um in a Seinfeld moment he's like yeah sure no problem i'm sorry i i said um is there anyone there in your department i skip for it i'm sorry is there anyone there in your department that's you know been there forever nobody talks to him because he's cranky he's probably got a back office and everyone leaves him alone tony my right hand of god he goes oh yeah sure hold on

and you're like you know the stand gets You know, you hear the elevator music on the phone. You know, girl from Ipinima, ta, ta, tan, ta, ta. And I'm doing the Jerry Seinfra, like, the George Costanza, like, this is working. I can't believe this is happening. And you get a, hello. I'm like, oh, okay. He really is cranky.

He is cranky. But I knew this from being 50 years old. All the cranky car salesmen and pro wrestlers, I know what men are like who have a lot of experience who are in their 40s, 50s and 60s. I know what they're like. They hate their jobs. They hate that they're there. They're miserable. And I just, and I got one.

Yeah. So this wasn't like I was pulling. This was my experience of what, but usually that cranky salesman, that cranky pro wrestler who's 60, they know more than anyone, right? Yeah. So you get some of the phone. Hello. I'm like, oh, hi, sir. I mean, I'm John Stewart.

I'm a documentarian and a researcher from Chicago. And he's like, yeah. I said, I've got a film of a really bizarre, I think physiological monitor. and no one can tell me what this is. And would you mind take you to look at it? And he said, of course, did the same thing, handed in the cropped video of it. Again, thank God for the Internet. Thank God for iPhone.

You could do stuff like this. And he's like, well, call me back in five minutes. And I called him back in five minutes. He's like, yeah, I'm looking at. He goes, I don't know what the hell I'm looking at. You know, this is a guy in the physiological. monitoring engineering department of space labs who made monitors for NASA because I don't know what I'm looking at where is this from I said supposedly just bear with me here because I feel real

really weird saying this and that was another thing I can tell your viewing audience the bizarreness and the creepiness and the uncomfortableness of being on the phone for five years telling widows that your husband might be involved with aliens telling PhD people and or telling you know regular people that this is about aliens was very uncomfortable to me. Sure. So I said this was supposedly taken from an underground government facility, and I'm telling you the truth, sir. It was sent to me.

And he goes, I've never seen this. I said, well, how long have you been doing this? He said, 40 years. I said, you mean to tell me since the 70s at trade shows amongst your colleagues, amongst people at NASA? A monitor that just the blip went up and down was never on the drawing border. He said, never. And he said, the same thing is like Hewlett-Backard.

Why would you do this? You know, why? Why would you do this? Sorry. Why would somebody make a monitor with a blip? That was the thing with both of these, with these experts. Why is the blip standing still? So he said, again, this is the, you know, one of the, the incredible,

bombshells of this investigation. He said, well, if it is real and it was made by the government, so you say it might be a one-off, oh, I'm like, what's a one-off? Oh, I'm getting somewhere. You know, I'm, you know, I know, I know how to talk to people. I'm getting somewhere. One-of. You know, I remember I had like this reporter pad in my car and I'm writing one-off.

He's like, well, in any kind of application, if you need to figure out something, let's say I'm looking for goal. and I want to find gold in the ground. I would create a gold detector if I was an engineer and I wanted to dig a well and I would create and there was nothing there to dig a well to find water. I would devise and create a device to do that. And I'm like, I said, do you mind if I say something? He's like, no.

And I said, if you had an off-planet alien and he had a weird biology and he didn't have a traditional heart and lung. Would you make a one-of physiological monitor to monitor that biological system of the being, Tony? Sure I would. Again, I'm like, I'm laughing because it was a happy moment. I was like Seinfeld. I'm like, you would.

He's like, well, of course, you know, if that guy didn't have a regular heart and lung, like, you're telling me, I guess you'd have to devise something like that. doesn't hang up on me, doesn't call me crazy. Remember that because no one has to this day in five years hung up on me, called me crazy. And I said, so you have never seen this. You have no idea why the blip goes up and down. He goes, no, I don't. But I would think that if you had to do something this specialized, you would make a one-off.

Thank you. I'm like, thank you. Thank you so much. So, you know, we have this terribly hoaxed video, the United States Senator, a Department of Navy, that doesn't exist. And I have four, five, because it was three PhDs, Hewlett-Packard Space Labs, five experts in the world, in my opinion, on physiological monitors telling me that son of a bitch has never been made, is not in mass production, they've never seen it, they've never seen drawings

about it, they've never heard of a concept about it, nowhere. So I'm asking your viewers, because this documentary was done by a second-tier, video production company in a strip mall in southern California. Do you think that a second-tier video production company that was putting out the Tim Conway Golf Dorff, he called himself, he was on his knees, he pretended to be a little person, a company that was putting out a VHS, selling a VHS tape of Tim Conway as Dorff, the golfer, would create the most high-tech physiological. monitor known to man, an animatronic doll that FX people said,

whoever did this should be working with Spielberg, does it make sense? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not asking people to, to believe anything. I'm just asking people and do this for my entire interview. Does all of that make sense? Because it doesn't make sense to me at all. and that is when I decided this was the start of COVID, which I got twice, by the way, to put the pedal to the metal with this investigation. Now, you know, I've always been asking some questions here and there about it or interested

or looking on the Internet, but this was now the pedal to the metal investigation. So, and I have a list to you because this is how many points of interest. So, and since we have time here, and you want to know the whole story, let's do it. So we have a famed Chicago police sergeant that was a customer of ours. His name is Bill Jack and Eddie and I know you won't mind me talking about him. And he comes into the office one day and this is about a week after this all happened and I am going to start investigating it. He's famous for finding missing people, missing person cases in Chicago. He, CBS Sunday morning, interviewed him about the 68 Democratic Convention riots because he was there.

Just a great hard-nosed Chicago detective, you know, in his late 7th. And I didn't tell him what I was investigating. I said, Mr. Jack and Eddie, I'm doing something. I'm going to start investigating something on my own. And you're an expert. Tell me one thing. And I'll never forget this moment. He looked at me and he, you know, he's an old copse.

And he sits like this and he looked up and he's got these blue eyes and he's like, don't ever. And I don't care who they are from the president of the United States down to the garbage man. don't ever discount human beings desire to want to talk. And I thought that was profound. And if you want to talk about something that blankets my investigation, that's it. You approach someone, and this is why I think I was somewhat successful and why people came to me.

Because I hope this comes through in my interview. I try to be as sincere as possible. I use a little humor. I never once in five years did gotcha questions with ex-military people. Oh, no, no, no, no. It was just, hi, please, hi, kiss your ring. Can you just help me? I must have said, can you help me 80 times in five years?

And that was the start of this investigation. Never underestimate anyone's desire to want to talk to you. So then I email Chad Kaelic, who is the documentary maker, of the film Mr. No Face, who they think he filmed a gray alien in an abandoned facility, I believe, in Australia. And he's just a great guy, just a great guy. Again, you go subservient, you know, this guy's a highly respected documentarian. And I said, Chad, here's what I'm doing.

And he's like, John, I just want to warn you. he goes john i studied the paramount normal for over 20 years nothing ever happened with my family my wife in my life nothing it's chad calic you know this guy is about as serious as they got he said john the first week that i started researching gray aliens my life electronically went haywire and he goes i'm just warning you that you might experience this too and don't be weirded out but i can't explain it, but from alarms going off to, you know, servers going down, you name it. That is my advice to you. And I can tell you, and I will tell you this in our talk, that there was five podcasts, and I can name them,

redacted with Clayton Morris, Project Camelot with Carrie Cassidy. Ben, I got a German last name. His podcast took him an hour to reboot everything. Every podcast I do is, hold on, John, this is something, oh, this never happened. If I hear that one more time, I'm going to jump off a bridge. Hold on a second. Yeah. Because we were talking about this before.

I know we weren't. I kept my mouth shut. I didn't say. I didn't. And I told you about the story behind the mixer board behind you. And it, my, my wires are going crazy right now because you're saying that he told you that when you start investigating aliens and grays, that trinons go crazy. Right. There's a strong opinion.

The person that was talking to me when my mixer board got fried. I'm sorry, I have a terse look on my face, but it's really, it's, it's, I'm getting triggered. PTSD, like, not PTSD, but I'm getting, um, uh, I'm getting that feeling. You know, like, not now. Yeah. From the past of like, I don't do creepy. I tell everybody this. I got you.

Even military people, I'm like, don't, I don't do creepy. So if you're going to get into this Da Vincico drama, this ain't a movie. This is my life and I don't. And so I'm just, I just got that feeling from the past. I'm not going to throw you, I'm not going to throw you for a loop here. I hope not. No. But the mixer board got fried in the topic of conversation.

Right. Was an alien, but it was fallen. angels and other realms. And I know you're going to get into that as far as the other realm and interdimensional aspect. So I just find how the parallels are really interesting. And when you have a, I'm not petting Chad Kaelic on the back. He just struck me.

It's just one of the good guys and a sincere person. And, okay, so two weeks go by. and I gather my family at the family computer in our TV den, so to speak, to show them this film. This is what Daddy is going to start investigating. So my daughters, Chloe and Kim Kardashian, I call them. Oh, yeah. I tell everybody, I investigated aliens, ran a car dealership, remodeled a bathroom in kitchen, and raised a black lab puppy, you know, that's what I should be congratulated for,

not finding proving aliens, but and my daughter, and sending my daughters to college and, oh, my God. Anyways, I'm joking, of course, half joking. So they start walking into the room. There's two steps to go down to the computer. I've got the alien booted up on YouTube because this video has been on YouTube for 20 years. my daughter's phone goes off. I don't want to say this over,

but my right hand to God. She gets a Snapchat. As she's walking to the computer to see Daddy's alien film for this documentary or this investigation, she gets a Snapchat from somebody that is not her friend

that she doesn't know. And the Snapchat instant messages, do you believe in aliens? And my wife and my other daughter went, what the thing? you know and that is where I got credibility with my family because if your family is not on board with something like this if they think you're crazy dad in the garage building a spaceship to Mars you're not going anywhere and I you know I'm very I think you could tell I'm very emotionally

sensitive and um you know if I am not getting the vibe from you know people in my in my home you know this goes nowhere and right there they looked at me like holy like this just again just like the Excalibur. Yeah, she's walking to see Dad Daddy's alien video. Creepy moment. So here was the problem, Tony. And you said this before about, you know, doing something that you've never done before, how intimidating that can be, because you don't know how to do it. I, you know, I have written articles, but I wasn't an investigative journalist or, you know, I have investigated people and, you know, I, it's always been part of my or, you know, I, it's always been part of my or, you know, investigating paranormal conspiracies,

meaning reading and watching numerous documentaries, you know, that kind of interest. I didn't know how to investigate. You know, and Chris Jackson, who's a former pro wrestler who lives in North Carolina, we were with each other one day, and he said, let me get this straight. And, boy, you want to talk about reality. He goes, you want to investigate a film that was film,

30 years ago in 1991 in a facility, the most high-tech facility ever built and devised to mankind in 90% of your witnesses are most likely dead. Am I getting this straight? I'm like, maybe I'm biting off more than I can show. I'm like, yeah. He's like, I don't know where you can start. I knew enough about uphology that at times, when you give it the Oprah effect, Give it, meaning any investigation or inquiry, if you give it the Oprah effect, you talk about it, you write a book about it, you go on TV or radio about it. Sometimes that ferrets out whistleblowers and insiders. How many times do we hear UFO researchers get a packet of film, a packet of features,

they get approached at an airport, so on and so forth. So I was at least, I had enough acumen to say to myself, well, you know what? Maybe if I have present this evidence, which is the DNI, the monitor, you know, the senator, almost gave his name away. Maybe I had enough information. Somebody would let me on their podcast. And who lets me on, which is one of the number one internet radio guys, one of the best internet website. he's like the Drudge Report for alternative media, Jeff Rents, former journalist. So I'm going on a show of a former journalist, you know.

So I tell Jeff the story up until I believe the physiological monitor. And he's like, you know, thank you for coming on. Please check back with us. Update us on your investigation. Let me just go back a little bit. This was I did Jeff show right before Memorial Day of 2021 and got, I mean, I'm chopping dates, you know, I will fix that in the future. As my wife and I are in Upper Michigan, there's a state above northern Wisconsin.

That's another part of Michigan. Not a lot of people. I have to always say that because I mean, where's the UP? What is he talking about? Is he crazy? We have a family summer. My dad and mom have had since the 60s. My mom grew up there.

As we're making a left-hand turn by the White Tail Inn bar, off of 139, my screen on my iPhone goes blue, white, blue, and then back to normal. And my wife sees it because it's in the, like, the dash. And we look at you, I'm like, she's like, what the heck was that? So I go to look and I'm like, Joanne, my wife's name is Joanne, I'm like, where are my emails? She's like, what? I'm like, where are my emails? My red emails that I didn't delete from, whether it's from auto transport people or friends,

or auctions or my employees at the car dealership, everything, everything to do with business in my life are gone. And I could show you June 26th or whatever. Two days before I'm going on Jeff Rents, my emails get wiped. So I tell Jeff Rentz's producer, he was like, John Lier, that happens all the time.

To who? He's like, oh, our guests. I'm like, are you kidding me? He's like, John, no. He goes, it has happened before. Can't explain it. It's happened before. So I go on the Jeff Rents program.

About 10 days later, I get an email. Caught your interview on Jeff Rents. You spoke very intelligently about this. You didn't make up things. I'm paraphrasing. This was three years ago. And I am an insider. I won't tell you who, what, where.

you know, but if I can help you, I will. And I'll never forget this. I can nudge your investigation, nudge, you know. Okay. I'm like, interesting. This could be a wacko. This could be an internet person out there or, you know, you know, there's UFO groupies.

And, you know, groupies meaning like, you know, people that want to hang around the UFO world or whatnot. So I'm thinking anything about it. Again, what I credit myself was I've always had an open mind with everything. Everybody that came to me, I've just, just not like this. Okay, come on, let's, let me analyze it. A month goes by, he sends me another email. A month goes by, he sends me another email.

He's asking me like, like random questions, you know, about my past, about the investigation. He's not getting real deep. he's asking my opinion which I was kind of honored that you know it wasn't all about him telling me things he was lawyers call up Wadain somebody you know you know a little back and forth who this person is um on my birthday coincidentally you know because I would email him back I'm so I'm stuck you know I don't know what I'm doing you know I don't know what my next turn is blah blah blah and so on and so forth. On my birthday, so this was contacted me in July, so July, you know, my birthday's March,

so it's like nine, ten months of emailing me once a month. Remember that, once a month. He, I get a thing, an email. The memo is, uh, from the horse's mouth. How is this? Um, and I will just jump to the, jump to the, to the, to the, to the, you know, to the punchline. Apparently, he had a source in the Defense Intelligence Agency,

which ran and runs the alien program, and I will get into that. I'm using broad terms. And he had a source in there who sent him the internal investigation of this film. Allegedly. I didn't see the guy in the DIA do this. I'm just, you know, I'm not making declarative statements here,

but I'm telling you what happened that he had a guy in the Defense Intelligence Agency who sent him, who, and I saw the, I saw like he forwarded me this guy's email to him. Does that make sense? But you could see the guy typed it out. It wasn't a, I just want to make people, because of asked me,

it wasn't a photocopy or a PDF of Defense Intelligence to inner office memo. Oh, it was, okay, I've got the file, I'm going to type it. Interesting. The DIA guy tells my whistleblower, very matter-effectly, like you and I saying, refrain from using my name attached with this information. And then he wrote the guy that started writing me the emails, he used his first name. So I said, this is something that I would tell of a trusted friend.

Like, not, hey, you jerk, don't you dare use this. Just, hey, Tony, if you're going to put this out, just don't use my name attached to it. That line struck a quarter with me like this, this, wait a minute, come on. So, because I'm a dingling at times, somebody's like, I'm like, why have I never tried to backtrack this man's email? to see you get so wrapped up that sometimes you can't see and I'm admitting that you know that I've made so many mistakes I've I've drawn so many wrong conclusions I put words one time in a witness's mouth who didn't doesn't who was tied to a person's name who wasn't the name but I put words in her mouth because I was so excited you know like I'm getting somewhere so I finally said to myself let me this

is this is da Vinci code stuff here I said let me I have a program from the car business. So I, not the DIA guy, the guy that was being emailing for nine months. I want to get that clear. So I start doing a search on his email. It leads me back and this is where we get into,

where I'm asking you that this is where we get into the, that I, you have to help me never to divulge any, if I, if I mix up, we have to cut it out of the, the interview. But he,

you know, he, I found out that the email was an email used by an institution of a metropolitan city. And so I had the ability to run the email. It was to a female's office. And I called her, called the institution. And I just don't want to, I called her. I called her.

I just said, you know, my name is John Stewart. and I found out what she did for the institution. So I used that as a guy's, and I cannot tell what she did. Let's say she was with purchasing. You know, hey, do you still want to order solo cups for next week? Or I was, it was, I didn't, it was totally different, which was, it was, the question I asked her was based on what she did there at this institution. So I established she was a real person. But it was her email that was emailing me.

Just bear with me here. So I'm like, a 40-year-old woman in a metropolitan city is, is, she knows a guy in the DIA, I'm like this guy that was emailing me for nine months, 10 months seemed older, seemed, you know, seemed like a man, first of all. And I don't know how I ascertain that, but you just can't. You can tell difference of people. And the vernacular and wording he used, you could tell that he was more my age or older. So I go back to my emails.

and I'm, you know, and I'm just, you know, I'm like, what, come on, I'm missing something, I'm missing something. I realize that every email came on the first Tuesday of every month. And thank God, my father is on the board of directors and became chairman emeritus of a credit union in Illinois. And it's called the Open Meetings Act. You have to meet if you're a corporation one day a month, every month, in a calendar year.

And I'm thinking, again, I'm extrapolation. because I never asked him this. I'm thinking, and I call him the chairman, that this man, when this man showed up at this institution, and I don't think I'm stretching this, when he showed up at this institution for the board meeting, he went into his, I later found out, daughter's office, oh yeah, used her email to email me.

So there would not be, yes. Wow. Thank you. that was my that was my barnaby jones colombo you know da Vinci code moment i'm like ho and i and i and i remember shown chris jackson i'm like look Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday i'm getting flush in my skin right now because it was a great moment that i that i saw that i'm like and i'm thinking of myself at this point what am i into here i just got an internal investigation and let me talk about that memo because we're at that point.

I don't explain this a lot, so well enough on podcasts, and I'm going to do it now. The internal DIA investigative memo that was retyped and then sent to my chairman, who then sent it forwarded to me, forwarded me the chain of email, was a internal investigation about this film being taken out of Area 51. okay just so we're clear on that in this memo or document was first of all they called it an unauthorized viewing now i am not the sharpest pencil in the drawer if you think that i could make that up it wasn't a theft it wasn't a smuggle of the film it wasn't it was simply called very um you know like a uh an innocuous term it was called an unauthorized viewing and in this it said

the film and he was he was also giving the information to my chairman so I don't think everything was officially right off this document he was telling the narrative does that make sense

like Tony this is the this is the whole thing of how we you know how we move the tractor from one site to another but let me tell you this too and you know the date and whatnot so

here's what the memo said this film was shot April 22nd, 1991 at 315 in the afternoon. The being in the film was a other gray. So you have your traditional grays, which you have the almond eyes and kind of grayish shoe skin. It said in the memo, the internal investigative memo, this was called the other gray. It was called, it also said this was a haploid. And a haploid I found out is a biological being that has only one sexual chromosome. Human beings are diploids.

We have male and female in us. This only has either male or female chromosomes or DNA or if I'm, I know I'm not a microbiologist. Let me ask you a question on that though. Yes. And you may not have an answer. Does that mean that they're asexual that can reproduce within themselves? I'm going to get to that. Okay.

Because there's a lot of different stories to that. So remind me to remember to ask me that This was a diploid only had one And I found out that means it only had one sexual chromosome, not two This portion of the film What does that mean? I found out later Was for the Defense Intelligence Agency

For an object located underneath the Indian Ocean Okay And if you didn't go well Or I'm using that word The interview was terminated for momentarily while the being became distress. But we can see that on the, on the, this is the only thing that ever pissed me off about the government. Other than them taking $8 trillion of our money that could have went for daycare and minorities and, you know, special needs people and, you know, helping single mothers and, you know, a trillion dollars to study alien tissue and build, you know, spaceships. and I'm not being glib

This is the only The only thing that's ever by me About the government Once the bean was Um I got the word Once the bean was stabilized

The interview continued So So So this bean is from a You know That's abandoned crashed on earth It's been there for two years

It's dying And once we get it stabilized Okay Hal Continue the interview Keep it coming. No, let's not let take it back to its suite because they called them ambassador suites. Really? Yes.

Because they treated these beings like they were ambassadors from other countries. Really? Yes. So instead of taking it back to its ambassador suite, let's keep continuing because we're the government we need to know. And Victor says in the documentary that the interview really went nowhere after that. let me let me give the rest of the of the memo and uh again i don't have it in front of me um uh it also said that um i'm given a lot of information away but that's okay that because the one thing remember i want it i just want to find the truth i still want to find the truth i don't care either

way the provenance of this film and i think that pisses off some people like no you have to make you We have to go. It's alien, alien, it's real. It's written. No. I want the truth. Right. That's it. Dr. Stephen Greer's got a great statement. Don't bother with the facts. I know the truth. Something like the, forget the facts. I know the truth is. Don't bother me with the facts. That's the line. I just want to know the truth. You're not going to hurt my feelings if your uncle has this alien animatronic doll in his garage. And you ask me to fly to, you know, Redwood, California. You're not going to hurt my feelings. I just, you're not going to hurt my feelings. I just, you're just, you know, want to know the truth of this. Yeah. So I always said to myself, because I think, I don't think, I believe I've proven Victor did lie a little bit in the documentary, I think, think to distance himself from, because I believe

he was down in S4, the underground facility. And I think he distanced himself with the time. He said it was in January. This document said it was in April. He said he was the agent of removing of the film. This document calls that into question. And I always say you're weighed naked going into S2 or going into S4, which is beneath the S2 Alpha Complex. That's a bombshell that I broke about three months, four months ago, which we'll get into.

You're weighed in the nude in front of a nurse. you're weighed when you leave in the nude in front of the nurse. They know how much you ate. So you're not sneaking a thumb drive in the crack of your buttocks. You're not sneaking out a CD-ROM. I'm sorry, folks. And I'm like, this is the only thing that harkens that this was a hoax. There's no way or a government sciop, right?

Sure. No way you're sneaking anything out of us for. No way. Ha, but the memo says how it happened. It was like Oceans 11, you know, where the casino let the money go out because they thought it was going out with the brink truck. It simply says when the interview was terminated, the United States Air Force cameraman was then escorted back to the Groom Lake Photo Lab, not Area 51 that I would have used if I was, I mean, my hoax this. The Groom Lake Photo Lab by an United States Air Force police officer, it was let out. three days later

two copies of the film were made one three minute version was put into a GSA burn I'm reading this on my birthday at the McDonald's Southland Lincoln Oasis

outside of Gary Indiana my hand shaking well I have to be specific so people at the McDonald's this is unbelievable can I tell a funny story so I am

I'm reading this my hand is shaking around a Chevy Tahoe is a 10-year-old blonde girl with black sunglasses and a COVID mask. And she is walking to me. I'm thinking like this is, it's the good, like I was being attacked by the government. I swear to God, it was like, I remember like being and she walked by me. I actually laughed about it. That's how paranoid this stuff can make you. Yeah.

And if I didn't have a strong mental constitution, believe me, I would, you know, I understand how this can affect people. people. Okay. So three days later, two copies of the film were, uh, were made or processed. A three minute version is put into a, was put into a GSA burn bag and removed off the Nellis base or what, whatever technical term is for Area 51. They don't call it area 51. It's the Nellis test range. I've got this all in notes, you know, so. And so I go on my iPhone, I'm like, tell us the GSA. The GSA, the GSA does government auctions and maintenance and garbage. I would know this except somebody in the, and so this three-minute film,

16-millimeter film, and it said in the report, was, this is the, you know, Hal, this is the burn bag. That's how was taken off.

How was anything removed from area 5-1? Look, I must have talked to five, six regular people. I just had a conversation with an 85, five-year-old man who did radar applications out at area 51 he's like even he was said the same thing the outside perimeter was wacken hut e g and g dinah trend inside area 5-1 that's that's how they how they term it thank you sean david morton for correcting me on that area 51 is air force

security and the the old this old man that was talking me goes john i would know some of these security uh young men for five years. There were times they didn't check your pockets all the time. Your briefcase, your purse if you were a woman or, you know, you had, he just, I mean, she goes, I'm sorry, but it was, it was lax. He goes, and you're telling me that a burn bag was, was not examined. He goes, he goes, that is a totally believable premise. I'm like, okay, again, can't find anybody to debunk it. Like, you're there, they check every GSA burn. Nobody said that. And that's what you would think. That's what you would think.

What are you and I do that? Yeah. There would be a scrap of paper leaving that base. No. And if I'm making up the story, like I'm thinking about all that stuff, trying to cover my bases, you know, how am I going to get this out? Because they're going to check the bag. You know, like, you're going to think about all that kind of stuff.

This is amazing. And a master sergeant told me, he goes, you knew, you knew who were the lax security cards. Oh, you can make a joke with who's having problems with his wife. And I say that, you know, tongue-in-cheek, Meaning you knew the person, you know, the personal stories of most security guards because you're standing in line, you're jabbing, you're, you know. At Area 51, it wasn't like as draconian as it was at Papoose Lake where this facility is. So I'm reading this and now it gets to the names. And I want to be specific because people are right.

I haven't explained this enough. It then listed the names of every military. person that was in the viewing gallery looking through the window pain at this interview. And it gives the two names of the doctors who tended to the being. And I'm shaking because when you see something that personal or you see something that is, it's like having proof your spouse cheated on you via video. It's like seeing you have a cancer diagnosis in front of you. when you can visually see something for me

it gets a I get a visceral reaction so I'm seeing these names and my hand is shaking mind you and I'm starving because I want to get a McDonald's but my hand is sure I'm just I'm being honest my hand is and then the creepy girl with the sunglasses and the mask and my hand is shaking and I'm like I've been looking at euphology for 30 years I don't know anybody on this list I don't know anybody so

with my iPhone I start Googling each person. Now, I sent this list to Linda Moultenhow, who's a respected journalist in euphology. Her first words is, my God, I don't know anyone's name on this list. I'm like, well, why is that important? She's like, John, when someone comes forward with something like the Thomas Wilson, MMO, MJ12, or papers, you know, when you have people's name that haven't been recycled in the UFO community,

that's a big deal. She goes, I have never heard of any of these people. She goes, and you, Google the, these are live human beings. I'm like, yeah, these, I'm like, Linda. Do you see that guy's name? He's practicing medicine still in Connecticut. Linda Moldenhow goes, quote, because she hates when I misquote her. That you have, she goes, John, you have gold.

This trumps the Wilson memo, which was a memo taken about, you know, a meeting about UFOs. Sorry if I'm hatcheting that. So, so I know they're real men. So I go home and now I start the deep dive vetting the New York Times investigation style of each of these names. So let me quickly go through them. The first guy in the list is retired Air Force working for TRW. I throw up the papers.

I'm like, that hoax, hoax, all my work. Well, at least I proved it was a hoax. Chris Jackson, the wrestler, my investigator. Gator on this with me, uh, goes, uh, dummy.

Do you think maybe that, um, I'm sorry, I'm jumping the gun. I call Sean David Morton. I'm the TRW guy. He goes, TRW,

my family's work for TRW. You might as well have read that they're Lockheed or Boeing or skunk works. They're, they're arm and arm with top secret black projects in the government. Are you kidding? me, that, that even proves more that that is legit.

I called Stephen Greer. He goes, TRW. There's more TRW agents sometimes on these black projects than there are regular government, you know, government, uh, government people. Like, holy shit. I call the guy's house. Yes, I called his house. Oh, well, you have reached the residence. That's, you know, it's like an old, uh, a voicemail.

I haven't proved that he died. He's really old. Looked like a fun guy. Never called me back. I don't want to stalk this man because he's in his late 80s. Funny, he is a son of a famous, you'll never guess this, of a famous World War II veteran. Not Patton, not Eisenhower, not MacArthur. But once this comes out, you'll see, oh my God, that's his son. now I find out this was a week ago I'm jumping forward a week ago this is how this thing is metastasized a week ago I'm watching some mundane documentary his dad was sent to Germany after World War II do you know what his dad was sent to and this is a famous World War II guy books have been written about him was sent to Germany after World War II do you know what to do do oh my God I almost gave up his name was sent to Germany

to look at and recover and capture and whatever the supposed Nazi UFO program by Adolf Hitler. So isn't this weird that his son, folks, this was, this is two weeks ago I just found this out. I can't believe I remembered to bring it up. So here's a guy that was in the first thrust of the UFO program and his son, who's in his late 80s, is in the UFO program to some degree watching this being. But remember, an object in the Indian Ocean. I find out what he did for TRW, mapping and contour. So was he an expert?

I don't know. Was he an expert in the contour and the map area of the Indian Ocean to help with the analytical, the analytical process of finding where this craft was? I don't know. I don't know. But it sure is suspect. The next guy on the list says he was blah, blah, blah,

Captain Naval Intelligence. I Google him. Here's the Chris Jackson story. He retires a vice admiral. Hoax. I've been had. Hoax. Captain, they, there's, he's a vice admiral.

Chris Jackson. He goes. He goes, dummy, this is from 91, right? I'm like, yeah, the film. So isn't the report talking about from 1991? Yeah. Do you think maybe he was only a captain in 91? And then 25, 30 years later, retired of Vice Admiral.

So I get his email. Living in Virginia. And I email him. John Stewart. I'm a researcher, documentary. I'm going to do a military documentary. which kind of wasn't really a lie. Writes me back.

Oh, you know, I haven't worn, I never forget this line. I haven't worn the jacket of service a long time. I don't like to put it on, but if I can help you or answer any question, I'd be more than happy to do so. I write him back. I appreciate that. I'll, you know, compile a list of questions. Call me, gives me his nickname.

Yeah. So I'm like, I feel really uncomfortable. I'm writing this, calling you by your nickname, you're a vice animal, but I will. He goes, I'm like, and since we're dropping the informality, what is the story

with this fried chicken at gas stations in Virginia? He writes back, L.O.O. goes, it's incredible. He goes, well, my doctor doesn't like me to eat it a lot.

I'm like, well, when I come to Virginia, I'm going to take you golfing and we're going to go have lunch at one of these gas stations. It's true. This is how informal we were. I haven't dropped the bomb yet.

Emails me back within hours. It's just a nice guy. Still is a nice guy. And I'm very protective of him because I don't, when this call comes out in a documentary, I certainly hope that his life, you know, that there aren't CNN trucks out in front of his condominium. He goes, okay, what do you have? What are the questions?

What's this all about? Again, I'm going to go play golf with this guy. You know, I was teasing, of course, but I would have. Go have fried chicken with him. So, look, my godfather died in Vietnam. My relatives have been in the Army and Navy. My dad was in the Navy. I was one of the progenitors.

I'm bragging now, of course, that saved the North Chicago Veterans Association, Veterans Administration site. They were going to close it. Mark Kirk and I, you know, stamped our feet, told the media, had a big to do. Mark eventually got $130 million to build the James Lovell Medical Center. I was one of three people that went with Mark to the media, the progenitor of that, proud is one of a very proud moment of my political career and I'm writing this to him I said so respect for the military they should be on the top of the pyramid will do anything for homeless

veterans to disgrace here's what was sent to me and I sent him the memo from the DIA and I'm like this ready you know ready to press send I'm like you're like I did it I did it I did it I did I walk away right right forget it forget it that's why that's why that's why that's why You know, and UFO higher-ups in our community don't like the fact that there's been humor in this investigation, but I'm sorry, I'm part George Costanza. You know, it's like, oh, my God. And I was trying to, I think about the episode where we try to erase the tape in the answering machine. I'm like, so I did it. Guy gives me back in hours, day, two days, three days, five days, a week, two weeks.

I write him back, I'm like, Admiral, I know it might be shocking. I know your name is on that report. Did you have anything to say to me? I'm not accusing it. I wasn't trying to do gotcha journalism. I'm just, this was sent to me. Can you help me? Ghosted me.

And Tony, I don't know if you believe this or agree with this. But in 2022, when this happened, you know, modern days, when you have this informal conversation back and forth on email and you get ghosted, I think that speaks, I think that speaks a million words. Sure. And military people have told me since that email, he's like, look, most honorable or anyone in the military that is honorable is not going to lie to you. They will ignore you.

They won't answer your question. But they won't lie to you. They know from boot camp, you don't ever put yourself in a position where you have to dig yourself out of a out of a out of a out of a out of a out of a out of a lie and in and the military person said that that is textbook you just you just ghost the person because then you're not lying you're not saying anything you're not insulting me um you know I was ready kid you're crazy and you know this is you seem like a nice guy and you don't come to Virginia to play golf with me you're a nutcase I'm insulted by this that you would even think

that I would be involved in this and I was like whoa whoa, I got ghosted by a vice admiral who I was going to go have fried chicken with. Whoa. I mean, get to the next name. Let me, um, okay. So I'm talking to myself. I don't have an earpiece, folks. So the next one is, uh, this is going to go back to 27 on the bottom of that film.

I, this is the only name I name because he's dead. Wife lives in Palm Coast, Florida. Rear Admiral Schaefer, nicknamed Ted. He was the intelligence liaison to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. So when somebody like Colin Powell went into the Oval Office to brief George Bush, number one, about a situation in Iraq or whatever, he would be the intelligence asset saying, oh, Colonel, Colin Powell, General, this is this document, and my aide over here has this document. you know so he i have proven that he was in the oval office on more than one occasion at rear admiral shafer nicknamed ted seemed like a in his picture in wikipedia seems like

a great a great guy like you can just tell he was like you know one of those you know shot in a beer whiskey guys back in the 50s and 60s when he was in the navy and i just i just i i gathered that from him but but to put a name you know who's who's the like the intelligence liaison of the joint chiefs now remember that and in the oval office because the bombshells come after that is the doctors okay so i think i've established some very weird things about these the first three names now the doctors come up and the first one uh i google his name he's at a lab coat with the thing on his office hours. He's practicing medicine in Connecticut still. And I'm doing the, you know, I'm doing the temple rub.

I guess I'm going to Connecticut. I guess I'm going to Connecticut. Let me break here. When I told Leslie Keene of the New York Times about this man, she was so like floored. She was like, I'm going to go make an appointment with him. And when I get him in the office in the exam room, Leslie Keene. I'm going to be like, we have information. And Ralph Blumenthal's like, Leslie, you know, like, let's, you know, take it measured approach here, you know. But that's how, you know, this is how deep this thing is going.

Called his office. I'm a researcher, a documentarian. I like to ask him questions. Now, I am assuming, this is my opinion, that when the receptionist said, there was a documentary guy wants to ask him. ask you questions, you know he immediately went back to, oh, I'm sure it wasn't the time when I was a doctor at the VA. I'm sure this has something to do with the little trip that I made or made a bunch of times to a little dry area place in Nevada. I would be the same thing. When somebody

would call the car dealership, is Johnny there? I knew that was somebody from wrestling. I mean, And those are like a, like visceral. Like I, you just know stuff like that. Yeah. Called them five times, again, right on that stalker level. Connecticut State Police, believe me, I hope you never call me, contact me. And he just never called me. Why would you not call me bad?

I mean, all of his receptionist, you know, doctor is not interested. Okay. But very word that he's still practicing medicine. Second doctor, here we go. You want to go down the rabbit hole. Now remember, this is a 70, now I know the chairman's age. This is a mid-70s man who got this list from the DIA. A prominent chairman of the board of an institution in a metropolitan city is not hoaxing a used car dealer, bust out pro wrestler in Chicago.

I can, that much I can make a declarative statement. I think you would agree. So this doctor has a nickname. And it says it on the report. I Google him. he is a doctor there is not one thing about him on the internet how could you be a medical doctor not have an award not have your old office hours on the internet still still uh uh uh a golf outing at a country club and he got a hole in a nothing nothing so when i hear i'm not saying that they're

true but when i hear bob lazar dan dan burrish and a lot of these s4 people or even other whistleblowers saying the government wipe this. I mean, I'm not saying that that's true, but that does, like, oh, ding, that does make me pause. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that those gentlemen are, in fact, the real deal. So I use my car dealership program and I get his widow wife, his second wife. Very short name, I'll call her Kim, but it was a three-letter name.

Very nice lady. Called her up. Again, you're about to tell an 80-something you're, old woman that her husband worked with aliens. You know, you might as well tell him he's a cross dresser. I'm not being glib. I mean, this is how uncomfortable my life has been for five years talking to people about this. I said, you know, my name is John Stewart. I'm from Chicago. Oh, my daughter lives in the suburbs of Chicago. It's good. A little connection there. I'm like, I got some information. Kim, nothing bad, please, but it is a little exotic and weird

about your husband, I used his nickname, that potentially he was involved with, and I'm this is a verbatim conversation, and I feel bizarrely weird talking about saying this, but that he was involved with extraterrestrials in a government program. Again, for the billionth time, no laugh, no hung, nobody not hang,

none, didn't hang up on me, didn't call me crazy, pause. I'm like, hello? She's like, no, I'm just the light bulb was going off in my head. You know, I do the, what's the light ball? She's like, John, let me tell you a story. She's going to tell me a story. I'm like, I'm going to be the greatest journalist out.

I'm going to get a peabody. She's going to tell me a story. Tell me the story. She goes, there was something that always bothered myself and our friend group about used his nickname. whenever we would go out, everyone in my friend group was either in Korea, World War II, Vietnam, everyone's got a funny story about boot camp, about a drill instructor, some non-combat related funny story or interesting story.

I remember when I was in Okinawa, you know, military people don't brag, but they'll tell humorous stories. And she said for 20 years, every time we were together in our friend group, Blank, would just sit there join in a little bit but he would never ever ever ever she said that five days would talk about his time in the Army

Medical Corps and then I went I never said Army Medical Corps but it said it on the DIA memo and I did not know what the Army Medical Corps is I know now it's the unit where doctors are trained for the Army I didn't know what it meant on the DIA internal memo and now this woman has

just proven, this 84-year-old woman is just proven a line in a DIA memo. Yeah. And she goes, that always was strange to me and strange to my friends. And they would always ask me the past 20 years, why doesn't your husband ever talk about his time? And she said, I don't know. I don't know what he saw or what he experienced that has got him clammed up, verbatim verb. She said, John, your phone call just has made sense. and the light bulb is now turned on, and I get it now.

I said, would you like me to send me the video, and your husband's going to be on the right of the bean? She's like, yeah, absolutely. I got her email, AOL, sent her the YouTube link, called her back six minutes later. She's like, it's shocking. She goes, it's him. Those are his eyes.

Really? And I'm like, I'm talking about the doctor, the medic on the right of the bean, our left. Yes, that's my husband. Wow. Oh, my God. I'm like, okay. She's like, you know, here's my daughter's number in suburban Chicago.

You know, if you ever, you know, need to follow up or get in contact and so on and so forth. And I'm like, okay. And she's like, and I, I don't know if you believe this or not, but I appreciate you calling me because it's something that always bothered me with my husband. And I never understood why. I didn't know if he was, you know, if he had. some battlefield trauma or he saw something medically. But I just never understood why. And it caused problems with us sometimes because he refused to answer me,

why he never spoke about his time in the United States Army Medical Corps. And not a peep on him about it in the Internet. I don't know how you can be a doctor into your 80s and not have one thing written about you in the Internet. I have got a program where it gives you, I've seen newspaper articles of, you know, Tony Merkel hit a hole in one at the Knoxville Golf Course for 1961 and they'll find you. Yeah. Not one. That's amazing. So this kind of goes back to the genesis of our conversation today,

which is taking that step. You get to the edge and you take that step of being uncomfortable. Imagine if you didn't do it. Because like you said, you're about to talk to a widow and talked about some very weird stuff. If you would have just been like, maybe I'll just search online a little bit. more and never called her. Right. I mean, that's incredible. Tony, my fault in the car business, when I sold cars for my father,

he's admitted to use cars. Wait a minute. That we were going to bring that up in a podcast talking about his little legitimacy. When I, my fault in pro wrestling, I was not the follow-up guy. And when I was in pro wrestling, you had to make calls, you had to send tapes.

And I was just, don't call me. was on ESPN. Vince McMahon said, give me your, give Jay Strongboro your number. They'll call me. So a huge getting out, and I'm saying that.

I'm not saying that to talk about me. Huge getting out of my comfort zone, what I did. And again, like I told you in the pre-interview, if I would have been like this with wrestling and politics, I would have been the governor of Illinois

and Vince McMahon's right-hand man. Yeah. Because I have been a tenacious bulldog that won't stop. Like I told you. you, I'm going to Timberchette's office after this is over to ask them what's going on. So yeah, thank God. I had this program.

Thank God for the Internet. Thank God for this woman not hanging up on me. And I think I did her a service too. Absolutely. You provided some closure for her. Some closure for her. I absolutely agree. So those are the men.

I went over the doctors. and then it said there was two telepaths. Now, let me just give you a weird story about this because Victor the whistleblower in 96 and the 7 in the documentary and other people, a couple of other people, and I'll get to them, have said the telepath program with the government was a joke. Victor said they were getting people

that were one step below above 1,800 psychics. And again, when I hear insiders tell me how late lacks in lazy, hazy, the government was at times, it does harken back to letting a guy like Bob Lazar in the Golden Gate for a couple of months, despite his track record of owing people money and not having, you know, maybe substantiated degrees being divorced. This is one wife killed herself. You know, I, I, there starts to, to lead that there, you could, you could pull that little hair of the, of the sweater to say, it is possible that because they were so desperate for answers that the government started to get sloppy and getting people that were, I'm a psychic. And I'm the government, so it's going to work out just fine. Right.

And someone else told me that there was also a point to that. That, you know, let me, it's kind of circle back to me. Let's get a person who we can discredit. Who doesn't have, you know how many genius level people I know that don't have a college degree? I know a lot of them. Geniuses can't stand in a classroom for four years. No. In fact, I'm not backing up Bob Lazar or Dan Burr, who also claim to be at us for.

I'm simply saying that genius level people sometimes don't get to, you know, Bill Gates, doesn't have a degree. So is it possible that the government at times gets sloppy and gets people when they are desperate to for a breakthrough, like Bob Lazar said on propulsion or interviewing with this extraterrestrial program, that they hire people and they get people and inquire people that if they go public can discredit them. And what has happened? These people that have gone public, they're just, their backgrounds are shredded by the

media and investigators. and I'm not, I'm just throwing that out there. Is there, you know, we have an insider, Victor, telling us that the government hired, you know, whack-a-doodles at some point. And I'm going to get to another point of how I went deeper on the interrogation program. So it said that there were two, there were two telepaths in the room. Bennett says that a Joseph, Yeager. Now this, I found out five days ago. And it scares me a little bit because his family

hasn't called me back yet. That a Joseph Yeager, a DIA employee named Joseph Yeager, helped facilitate the sale of the film to the third party. What would you say? It's Victor. Yeah. I got Victor. I told another researcher in Europe. I found him. I found Victor. Nobody else could do it. I did it. I did it. I did it. I did it. I did it. I did it. I researched the only, now Victor comes back in a 2008 documentary. I'm not getting out of myself. Comes back in a 2008 documentary, the whistleblower and says, what are the UFO people doing? Nobody's researched this.

Nobody's done FOIA requests. Nobody's proven who I am, Victor. Nobody's proven the provenance of the film. And the director says, well, a lot of people believe it's real. And Victor gets pissed at its own. They're taking it as face value. I don't want people to take this film at face value. Who would say that if they hoax this?

I want people to prove it on their own. And he just says, you know, UFO researchers, and he's just going on and on. And so I'm thinking, oh, my God, Joseph Eager. And Victor says he's coughing that he doesn't have much time to live. And the second documentary was in 2008. And he's very philosophical and he's talking about the end of the world. See that he's coughing. He's got gray hair sticking out of his Donald Rums.

belt mask. And so I'm looking for people, Joseph Yeager's, that maybe have died. So I put in the search, 08 to 2017. I find a guy in Texas, died homeless, but buried by the United States Navy in 2010, Joseph Yeager. I find out, proud to say this as an investigator, even though this is not Victor, that he sold his family house. And he went on a Nicholas Cage leaving Las Vegas. alcoholic bender. I find out that he lived at a winery in San Antonio with a woman who lives in Kansas City right now. I find out that he lived at a winery,

that he became homeless, was buried by the Homeless Veterans Association, a very sad ending, but buried with honors. I'm like, well, this is Victor. Found him. I found him. About three months, four months later,

after I got the got, again, thank God I question myself. I don't know what made me do because I have an ego too. And thank God, I went back and always looked at my research. And I go back and I look at the DIA internal memo and I say, we believe. It brings up Joseph Yeager again. We believe Joseph Yeager of the DIA was Victor. Believe.

I'm like, I don't know when this memo was created because the person that gave the chairman, it doesn't give it a date. I'm like, what do you mean, believe? Is he a Joseph Beager or not? I'm just telling people the truth here. So I get the director, Jeff Broadstreet, of the two documentaries. It's the guy, the only guy that's seen Victor face to face. I said, Jeff, I need your help. And Jeff's a little rigid.

You know, he's not the easiest guy to, but he's a straight shooter. And I like that about him. He's like, if I give you any information, okay, if I give me any information, I could be violating my NDA. And I could get sued for John for 25, 34. 40, 50 grand or future profits or anything. It's like, I'm like, can you, can you at least if, so I get the picture, I'm sorry, it was a picture, I get, give Jeff Broadstreet three names to choose. I said, well, if I, if I give you a little stipend, and we did a contract together,

will you at least tell me the first name of Victor? And I give him three choices. He's like, those aren't any of those names. I'm like, Joseph Yeager is not Victor. I'm not saying that he's not part of this, but he's not Victor. He's the man that went to rocket pitchers. And Jeff Brodry gave me the first name. And I'm like, weird name, intellectual name, but it wasn't Joseph Yeager.

Let me jump forward seven, eight days ago. I do another search of Joseph Yeager. I find that a man, my age, died. in 2010 in his 20s. And he was a Marine with the United States Marines. And I'm like, holy shit, is this Joseph Yeager? Did they, you know, and your brain starts to think, why did he die when he was 20-something years old?

You know, did something nefarious happen to him? So I got his sister. And I just, my name is John Stewart. I'm a documentarian. I just have just a couple of quick questions. about your brother, Joseph, and, you know, lives from Philadelphia. Believe it or not. I know that you're...

That's why your eyes lit up when I told you about Philly. Right. So she hasn't called me back. So that is still a deep dive. But him and the guy that drunk drunk himself are the only two Yeagers that fit with the DIA report. And I'm just wondering, but I'm not even going to say it because I'm not even going to go there because the Internet Warriors will destroy me.

But did something nefarious happen? to this man when the second documentary came out and the government started to try to find out you know who to blame or or whatnot so that was just eight so there's another rabbit's hole that i have i have to go down to so now um i have all this information but i still don't know i and and and the the chairman obviously in my opinion wasn't military I need now somebody like a who's got a the Soros or Wikipedia type mind with military I need facility names and Dr. Stephen Greer

who this investigation is with in his in his disclosure project he's busy he doesn't have time to because he has facility names too and but he doesn't know a lot about this film either so I there's one person in the world to see how I'm destroying things already There's one person in America with the DD14. I think that's what it's called your military papers,

who has been at Area 51, who's been at S2, S4, that is willing to talk to the public who's got verified credentials. His name is Richard Doty. And yes, 30 years ago, he followed his orders as a counterintelligence agent and told people it was a UFO when it wasn't, that it was not a UFO when it was a UFO, so on and so forth.

He's in his 70s, and he just wants to come clean and straighten out the UFO community, and they're not letting it. And so my wife contacts him on Facebook. And my husband would like to speak with you, gave my wife his phone number, and we talked. I did not tell Rick what I was going to ask him about. So I call him up, and I said, I know you're probably busy. I don't want to take out a lot of your time. Um, is the 19, are you familiar with the 1997 alien interview smuggled out by Victor? Oh, of course.

It said, okay. Can you tell me anything about it? He goes, well, I can tell you that it's real. It's authentic. That it was filmed by the government. Again, cup on the phone. I'm like, you know, but it's, oh, Rick Doty. Rick Doty, what?

Yeah. If he was a counterintelligence guy, he would have told me what? Oh, yeah, they hoaxed that. Yeah. I know how they hoaxed it. Yeah. But he didn't. He said, I don't know much about the providence of it, which I didn't really believe Rick at the time.

I think at the time, well, I know that he knew more than he was letting on to, but I understand who am I talking to. He said, I said, there's question whether it's a VH, it was filmed on VHS or 16, or film, motion picture film or whatever. He's like, no, no, no, no, even though they were, even though they were getting into VHS tape, That was filmed on 16 millimeter film. And I'm like, okay, I said, what, is there anything else? I said, you know, what about this telepath program? And he kind of laughed. He said, it was a joke.

He said, but I just want to give you an anecdotal story. He goes, John, I was never down an S4. I was never face-to-face with an alien. I saw one being interviewed on close circuit, but I, you know, I just want to make sure. was never down an S4. Pretty, pretty remarkable for a counterintelligence, a guy to tell you,

don't look at me for all your answers, pal, because I wasn't down there. Instead of saying, oh, yeah, I know everything, which I think most people would do. Sure. He said,

I have an anecdotal story that I was told because I was the counterintelligence agent for Papoose Lake. He goes, so I was briefed on everything. And can anyone deny that? If you're,

Richard Doty is a verified counterintecher intelligence agent out at Area 51 in Kirkland. He has briefed on everything more than the president at times when it's need to know. He said, I have an anecdotal story about the telepass. He said, Victor was right. They were a joke. He said one time they got a farmer from the East Coast and it was just, it was ridiculous who the government was trying to bring in to crack the thought projection of these beings. I'm like, what is, what is thought projection? He goes, John, they, for what I was told, they, they weren't telepass.

They would actually, you'd walk in the room, you would, in your brain, you would hear, I know what your question is, it's about the Tony Merkel sign behind you, and here's what I can tell you about it. We had that built by, you know, ABC sign cop, and he goes, so we, the government called the thought projection rather than telepathy. It knew, what were you thinking, and it already had, it. knew your question and already had the answer, projected into your head. He said, but there were two telepass that were from a vocation.

I know what the vocation is. I'm not going to tell you because the internet will go freaking, let's leave it for another time. And I hope people respect my comportment. But he said there were two telepaths from a, and they had a vocation. when these two guys sat down in front of these beings, they would start relaying the information back to a military person almost immediate. Like they would sit down and be like, okay, you know, and I'd have to sit there for 20 minutes. And he goes, they were, you know, they were amazing at the information that they could process from these beans.

He goes, let me tell you another antidotal story. This is really interesting. He goes, there was one time where there was a snag in the interview process. And the being was saying, you know, do you know where I come from? And the one telepath, not these two, these two good telepaths that were excelled in it, but just a regular telepath, was looking at the general behind him saying, you know, he's getting cocky with him. He's like, do you know what I'm coming from? And the being's like, no, do you know where I come from, meaning planet? So there was a language barrier, you know, of colloquialism and whatnot, which I thought that was a.

really interesting anecdotal story. Not proven, but I thought that was interesting. And I could see that, you know, you're sitting down and you're a telepath who's lived from, let's say, the 50s to the 90s, and you have all of this jargon and lingo. And it was really important to break, you know, to really kind of listen and digest, I guess, what these beings were trying to say. But I thought that was a really interesting anecdotal story of, you know, he's asking me, you know where I'm coming from. And it was, do you know where I come from? Wow. So that was, that's what interesting with Rick Tote.

So about to hang up. And he goes, there's also one other thing that everyone gets wrong. And he goes, even including Victor, I'm like, what's that? He goes, John, I'm going to tell you something that very few people know. And more importantly, hardly any uphologist has talked about this. I've mentioned it once or twice. It just goes over people's head. he goes, the facility where the alien beings were being interrogated was not S4.

The overall facility was called S2 Alpha, the S2 complex. S2 was the overall site at Papoose Lake. It was not in the side of the mountain where Bob Lazar said it was with hangers painted. And Rick Doty said, I don't know if there's hangers painted with sand into a mountain, but they're not at Papoose Lake that I've been told about or visually what I could have saw back in the 80s. And he said the, the, the AC, the AHC is under S2 building. There's S2. It's like the administration for the entire area at Papu's Lake.

Then there's S3 and S4. So when Victor and Bob Lazar say S4, yes, technically that was the, the, the, the, five level underground facility, but bottom line, that was under the S2 annex. Hold on. I'm going to send you a satellite photo. So I get my email. It's a satellite photo of this annex. He goes, now, I'm going to tell you where this is. This is a southwest of area 51. It's not, it's, it's kind of by Papoose Lake. He goes, there was an entrance to S4 hidden by Papu's Lake, very, very small building. I'm like, Rick, Rick, this is brown. This is groundbreaking. Rick. Rick. what is the AHC?

Oh, that's the alien housing center. The alien housing center. Okay. What's that? Well, it's part of Project Aquarius. The whole program underneath S2 Alpha John was called informally the alien retention. Remember this because this is the whole, the alien retention and interrogation program under Project Aquarius. The umbrella program was majestic.

Fact. I'm going on record one time. Fact. Fact. Project Aquarius was all things. Wow. All things, alien, extraterrestrial, meaning biological and the craft and the metallurgy, propulsion, the acquisition, the life support of the craft, the navigation, the avionics,

the beings themselves, their entire biology was all called Project Aquarius. He said, um, um, he said, um, he, he, he. He can't, I said, we heard that this bean was brought to the facility in 1989. The only crash that we know about was from the Kalahari Desert. I don't know if that's true or not. And Rick said, well, I can tell you that the crash retrieval teams, one is called Pounce, and the other one is called Star, S-T-A-A-R, they're a specialized Air Force recovery team.

And these are the ones that would bring the beans and so on and so forth. And he told me the story about J-Rod that went to Los Alamos and, and died in 1952. He was the original survivor, the only survivor of the Roswell crash. And I just, this Rick Doty just kind of struck me with this matter of fact. I've been around car dealers, pro wrestlers, and politicians for 50 years. You want to talk about the hyperbole and stories and bullshit and, excuse me, for that, my language. You know, I'm a lie detector, human lie detector, just because of my environment for 50 years.

if you're a counterintelligence agent, you're not telling me stories that verify beings. If you're counterintelligence and you're not telling me, I don't know. I wasn't there. I don't know. Rick must have said, I don't know five, six times. You just don't do that when you're a liar. I have a degree in counseling psychology. I know the schematics and I know the physical and verbal makeup of a liar.

And Rick was not anywhere near that. And I was just struck by his casualness. I was struck by his ability to trust me and trust me with this information. I was impressed by the fact that I can't tell you that. That's still classified. I was another story. Not many people, Rick Doty has had the on his door out of his house twice by the government. I think one time they called him one time they knocked.

But Rick Doty, a counterintelligence agency, he had the, can you come here? You can't talk about that anymore. And he just said, you know, be careful. what you say, what you say on podcast, you know, make sure if anyone gives you information or passes you or emails you that you ask them, is this top secret? Is this stuff that's going to get me in trouble? Really like grooming me to, like to send me off to my first day of UFO researchers class. And I owe Rick a lot of that because I didn't know that if somebody sent you top secret document and you accepted you technically could be a trouble. And I,

couldn't believe that the government actually admonished him on two occasions. He said, John, I just want to come, I just want to come straight with the, with the UFO world, but it's like they devour their young, they eat themselves. It's, you know, he goes, they're telling, and regardless of what I did in my past, that was my job. I'm in my 70s. I just want to set the record straight. And I can understand that. If somebody telling me the events when I wrestle for the light heavily championship of the world,

and they're completely different than my whole day leading up to that match, I am going to get mad too and say, wow, I was there. You know, and that bothers him. And I could see psychologically the visceral reaction when somebody is telling him something that, or telling him that he's a liar when he knows the information. And Rick has been, you know, Rick has been my go-to guy for vernacular and terminology. And what do I ask this person? and what is it, DD 14, you know,

I'm probably chopping that up. He's been instrumental. And the Internet went crazy with John Stewart, has got a new facility, S2 Alpha. There's always been Rick Dotyed. You know, I'm like, wait. So I'm like, geez, you know, he showed me the satellite photo. Then Internet, UFO researcher, email me.

And then he goes, show me the painted group, the hangers that are painted. Where's the cement spaces in between them? Where's this guardhouse? Where are the roads? Where is this facility? There was a hiker out there. There's nothing there on Papu's Lake like Bob Lazard described.

I mean, I went over Google satellite image after something. I'm like, it's kind of true. And it's boating out with Doty told me that they're, you know, he doesn't know of this where the hangers are and painted, you know, painted hanger doors and so on and so forth. And then the S2, I started getting adverserated. He's being manipulated by Doty. Doty told me bits of information of this whole investigation.

And it was after I got the chairman's emails and whatnot because I needed somebody to go to. I get an email from Master Sergeant Munoz. He's telling everybody in a chat room on YouTube, sorry, folks, S2 Alpha is real. believe John Stewart, believe Rick Doty, because I was there and I worked there while I was a master sergeant. He starts to lay out LS2 Alpha, like Doty said, was the administrative center, blah, blah, blah.

And we're S4, S3. People are going crazy on YouTube. Like, wow, wow. He's like, oh, he talks about how to get security clearances, what the names are for the security clearances. How to get somebody onto the base, off the base, the process is he gives me, me his email. I Google him. I Wikipedia. He's all legit. So here is a guy that just backed up

the S2 Alpha story and the S2 Alpha is underneath is where this whole crazy bizarre alien interrogation and interview program happened and flourished. It is now what we've been told of this common knowledge that it's all, the entire program has been moved to Michael's Airfield in Utah and the dugaway proving grounds. And Sandia Labs has a huge building on that base, too. And that's where this entire Papus Lake program has moved to. Some other things, Doty told me, there were six dead beings in captivity.

He doesn't believe that we have any living aliens right now, so to speak. And then he told me something that Linda Moulton, else told me months later he's like you can believe this or not but there are members of the intelligence community in the pentagon that are trying to get this information out that are trying to get a disclosure something and there is a little bit of a civil war and i said well that's funny because don schmidt when i talked to him he has a colonel contact in the pentagon said the same thing he's like you tell that your friend me that you know we're all at the pentagon we can't cheer as cheers cheers investigation, but what he's trying to do is being applauded by people because we wanted to come out.

Let me give you a little quick story. This is really interesting. Colonel at the Pentagon tells Don Schmid, you tell him, me. He's like, we're at a retail store, the Pentagon, and we're selling our products, and we've got shipments coming in, and we're doing all our business up front. He goes, but down a long, long hallway is a door. Can't go by the door. You can't ask any questions about the door. This is a colonel at the Pentagon. Can't. can't open the door and you can't ask anybody about the door. And in the way, way back, we see trucks and activity going in and out of the fence, but we can't ask anything what's going on back there. He goes, you tell that guy in Chicago, that's what's going on with the Pentagon and the

other portion of the government that is hiding this alien program. And he goes, and none of us know what to do about it because, you know, we don't want to risk pension. We don't want to risk career, demotion, so on and so forth. I found that story to be very, very compelling. Wow. You know, and on that note, it makes you feel like it's the only amount of time until somebody's like, I don't care about my pension. I don't care about anything.

Right. I'm talking. Well, that's funny you said that because there are stories in the underbelly of military intelligence and euphology that one day, this is an anecdotal story. I can't prove this, but it sounds. copacetic because of what we're seeing with the government and the leakage, that Army General, I found out that when you do something like a pathology exam or you're extracting something or you're doing a big experiment on an extraterrestrial craft or a biologic,

that you actually have to get a written, like, legislative order from who's ever running this program. and that means signatures. And the understory and the underbelly of uphology is that one day before Lou Alessando came forward, a general went and pushed the order back to the person. I'm not putting my name on something where they can hang me 10 years from now. And that was the moment, the undercurrent of euphology, where some people in the Pentagon or in this program said maybe some soft, disclosure needs to start happening because people are not willing to sign their name.

So what does the government do? It puts everything, a lot of material, a lot of technology, biological material with corporations. And what can't you do to a corporation? You can't FOIA them. Now there's another story that's coming out last month that a CEO of one of these companies like a Lockheed or Boeing or Skunk Works or I think Lockheed is Skunk Works. and there's the minutia of names that that handle these programs that he is looking for a way of getting rid of the extraterrestrial material that they have in their in their

their R&D program so he is not complicit with this and he can get it out of his hands so the the eyes of the government or the media or investigators don't look of what this company is also doing other research and development. So it's the hot potato. And this is the best thing for you. I think this is the best news anecdotally that we've, the euphologists have heard that finally people are saying, you sign your name.

I'm not signing my name. Because when you think about the stories, anecdotal stories of the researchers that have been murdered, the insiders that have been murdered to keep the secret, you have a David Grush with a cue clearance saying people have been murdered to keep this quiet. At some point, a level-headed general or colonel is going to say, I'm not going to jail. I'm not going to Love and Worth for the rest of my life because I'm going to get blamed because my

superior, you know, whacked somebody in 1970s and I was around that boardroom and tacitly gave approval or whatever this scenario will be. There are human beings now, and I say human beings, more. guided people in the Pentagon that are are finally saying no mas, no more. It will leak it out some way. That's wild. So, with this, I don't think we ever got to the D&I 27, though.

Yeah, I'm just... Okay. My God, this list is... Well, there's one more, one more, one more, one more very disturbing story that happened to me. So Scott Walter, he's with American Honor. Earth on History Channel. One of the straightest shooters in the world.

Why do I say he's a straight shooter and a good guy? He has turned down TV projects where evidence would be planted at times and they push the gray area. And he turned down a lot of money to say, I'm not going to be part of that. That to me is a straight shooter. Yeah. I've heard the same stories, by the way. Oh, good.

That's awesome. So I contact him because he wants to start doing interesting in uphology. And we're going back and forth. I sent him the three-minute film, and he said, hold on. I'm going to, you know, because it's the famous story that somebody in intelligence has befriended Scott Walter. And the guy's code name is called Holden, the literary person from Catch 20 Catcher in the Rye. Scott writes me back like five minutes, it's real. Like, how do you know it's real?

Because I just sent it to Holden. Who's Holden? He's the guy that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's all I can say. He just said it's real. Oh, whoa. So for nine, ten months, I work. on Scott Walter, you know, the stalker John Stewart.

Please get me an interview with this guy. Get me an interview with this guy. He won't tell me where he is, what he does. You know, Scott's like he's a verified military person. He's been to Scott's house, showing him all of his forms, badges, whatever. Finally get Scott to have this guy agree to call me. And his name's Holden. Sounded like he was in his 30s, very intelligent, very mild-mannered.

he works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center, N-A-I-S-C, National Air and Space Intelligence Center out of Wright-Patterson in Ohio. I mean, Wright-Patterson is you might as well be at. If the UFOology World is 9-11, Wright- Patterson is the Twin Towers. Right. And he calls me, I'm up at our summer home, and he's very kind and very nice. And he's like, you know, the video, you know, it might have been done by the government as a training video. I'm like, no. I'm like, if the bean didn't have, you know, respiratory issue and there was no, like, the doctor showing, this is what you do with a cotton swat, you know. Special monitor, you know what I mean?

Right. I'm like, I'm like, and he's like, no, he goes, I'm just telling you that we do magic. Now, Greer used the same terminology, you know, that the government will do things just to deprae, Decredit people did to to He said that the government will do something So 20 years they can say yes Yes You know there was a crash in Chicago

We showed it to you on on the leaked film But we we made it up ourselves But that's the only way we could show you What the what the crash was about but a crash should happen So it's kind of like a weird disclosure So he goes well let me let me let me let me let's me let me give this video ask some people in my in my unit um let's plan on calling each other after thanksgiving talk to each other after thanksgiving he said um he contradicted himself

he said um one guy thinks it's fake but two guys told me uh that it's blacklisted by the Pentagon. And I'm like, well, um, holding, that doesn't make sense. Why is a hoaxed video blacklisted by the Pentagon? And you could see him like, oh, well, I'm just saying like, you know, one, just telling you what one guy said. And I'm like, why would two people, uh, intelligence operatives tell him that that film is blacklisted? So he started telling me about the film biological makeup of the coding of these, of the, of the light lenses that they put on their, their eyes and that they're sensitive to light and they have to use these lenses. But then he tells me the bombshell.

And, you know, I can't believe that it is not circulated more in the UFO community. He goes, I'm going to tell you something I've never told anyone, and it is not out there anywhere on the internet. The new designation of extraterrestrials by the government. Like, you're kidding me?

You're going to tell me this? He's like, yeah. He goes, you know, yes. I'm like, well, what is it? He goes, it's saber. I'm like, like a sword? He's not like a sword. S-A-B-E-R. Nowhere on the internet. This has never been talked about.

I said, what does that stand for? He said, that is the new designation, synthetic astrobiological, extraterrestrial races. Saber. You know, I've told a couple of people this. I would think that this would have gone out like it's, you know, like it's wildfire. It doesn't matter to me whether it does or it doesn't. I had an intelligence person tell me this.

And I said, Holden, could I put you on? camera in silhouette for a documentary and ask you questions. He's like, well, if my CEO is willing to do it, I will do it. Voice altered in silhouette. You'd have to come to write Patterson. And you have to send me the questionnaire. I said, well, how do I send it to your CEO? He goes, just put my code name, put to the CEO of, and he told me the designation. And I said, you know, a list of questionnaires for potential documentary. And these questions were explosive. Has the government had any interaction with extraterrestrial off-planet being since 1900. I mean, they were explosive.

As Wright Patterson ever out, biological extraterrestrial material. A week goes, he goes, I'll call you this afternoon. Day, two, three, one week, two weeks, three weeks. I text Scott. I'm like, holding has to call me back. He's like, John, this guy travels. He's very busy. Just no problem.

Boom, boom, boom, boom. I think I wish some happy St. Patrick's Day or something because it was after Thanksgiving. You know, I'm like, hey, oldest, want to let you know, hey, happy St. Patrick's Day. Don't, you know, don't do anything I wouldn't do. You know, give me a call. Let me know if we're going to do this interview. We're into like April. And I must have called Scott Walt, Texas, Scott three or four times.

I finally said, Scott, this is ridiculous. You know, I'm a grown man. He's a grown man. Is he in trouble? And most importantly, am I in trouble? This guy has ghosted me. We were going through a documentary process of getting him on camera, and he ghosted me.

Not an hour later, Holden texts me. Here is this nice, fun-loving guy. Fun-loving, meaning, he was just a nice, nice man, spoke, gen, a kind, use soft words. I get this terse text. I know right away he didn't. He didn't, he wasn't the progenitor of it. somebody you send this. I've been ordered, and I'm paraphrasing, folks.

I have been ordered by people hire than my CEO to cease and desist all contact with you. You are no longer allowed to text me. I am no longer to communicate with you. You are to destroy any notes you took of our conversations. You are destroy the questionnaire that you sent me. I will not be doing a appearing in your documentary. And under DOD, VV-V-5-219, you know, all this, all this weird legal nomenclature, that's what I would describe it.

You are hereby order to destroy this, destroy this text. You are, this was on Signal Lab. Destroy this text. You are not to copy, paste, to transmit this to anyone under violation of Defense Department Order so-do-zo-zo-zo, and we are never to have contact again. What's the wrap-up? I want to know something. why is the Department of Defense in the Pentagon telling a guy from Wright Patterson to seize contact with a used car dealer, bust out pro wrestler, let me say it, you know, a politician that's got a supposed hoaxed video. Why? I don't, you know, I think I know, but I don't want to be have declarative statements. Let me just give one more quick thing. I've done about eight foias. I will have presented these on YouTube at times.

most to the Defense Intelligence Agency. I make the DIA people laugh. There are two African-American women. One is for the Pennick DoD and one is for DIA. We laugh. I'm like, it's me, the alien guy. Oh, hi, John. How are you?

How are you? Well, can I help you with? I get a guy named Andrew. Hi, Mr. Stewart, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I submitted a FOIA request about a document. He's like, hold on. Wow. I have never seen this before. I mean, how many times has that been said to me? I've never seen this before. Andrew, what have you never seen? Your name's on our computer. There's no file attached like your request. I'm like, so big deal. He goes, John, he's Mr. Stewart. I've been here a while. I've never seen this before ever. I'm like, wait, what are you telling me? He's like, well, like somebody would have to have gone in and removed your request. You can't get on this system. He's telling me this at the D.I. the FOIA, the FOIA department.

Can't get on my system unless you have a corresponding file and you don't have one. I'm like, oh, well, this is great. It's like, oh, don't worry. He goes, it's got to be something. He goes, it's bizarre, but it's, you know, now my hands start shaking again. I got the DOD. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot.

Also in Holden from Wright Patterson, also in his text was, you are now, this made, this made Rick Doty freaking. When I told him this, I had to peel him off the ceiling. You are now on a special watch list for your overseas emails, your frequent FOIA request, and the nature of your FOIA request. Rick Doty is like, this isn't Nazi Germany. You can't be on a special watch list. He goes, I, Doty flipped, this mild-mannered guy flipped his lid when I told him what I was told that I'm on a Pentagon watch list, which I don't know if I believe or not, but that, who are you to have him write that to me? an hour later after the FOIA your file's missing i get an email suddenly they found my request we cannot administer your request uh quickly for the nature of your request requires us to speak

with other agencies cross department meetings and i've got this on the internet and it might take several months so they're going to have meetings now about my you know the key card the elevator are going down meetings about the use car dealers foyer request i call andrew back at the dna and he's this hello yeah i'm like andrew i this is john stewart i just spoke to you an hour ago i know i'm like oh well they just emailed me he's like yeah they they they emailed you i'm like is there something wrong that i did i do he's like no i'm like um you know this happy nice guy and and uh he's like Now I'm like, okay, thanks for, you know, helping me out. Hung up the phone.

I'm like, what the f is going on with my life? Why is this hoax video producing all of this reaction? Again, I'm not declaring any statement. Why is this hoaxed video producing all of this reaction from senators to DIA to secret military people to Army intelligence people? What is going on? why would they have this reaction to the supposed fake video? That is the question for the world of uphology to extrapolate. Makes you wonder if it's not, like, let's just say the video is hoaxed, right?

What else is going on behind the scenes that you're touching at, you know? And I don't know, but it just makes you wonder, like, in a world of, you know, sifting through half-truths all the time, you know, is it possible? that, yeah, this is hoaxed. But what you're doing, if you keep going, you're going to uncover something that they wish that video was real and that's all you stopped at. Right. Dr. Greer, you know,

tells everyone, including me, the truth of this phenomenon is more bizarre than aliens are coming to this planet. That scares me. Yeah. I'm just being, you know, I'm just being, real and in telling you my feelings, which a lot of UFO researchers don't do.

And I'm attacked for it. You know, I don't care if John Stewart's happy or sensitive. Tell us the facts. Well, that's who I am. But, yeah, so, you know, so you're sitting back and going, well, you know, and everyone's telling me, you know, Don Schmidt, you know, hide in the open, hide this stuff in the open.

Well, before I started going on podcasts and having a couple of people pay attention to this, you know. Of course, I was trying to make this into a documentary to tell the world what's going on. You know, so, you know, that, that process is still ongoing. And it's like, well, you know, it's that line from clear and present danger. I'm afraid if I keep digging, you know, you know, nobody's going to like what I find. But I don't know what else, you know, that the government, you know, basically my thesis is the government of the United States and a facility south of area 5-1 had a retention and interrogation program

of off-planet beings and at times interdimensional beings. And I don't think you can, I don't think that you can brush off that thesis anymore. There's just too many people coming forward. And again, my investigation, forget the film, forget me.

I just ask, and I, I am not going to argue what my experiences were. I didn't have been made up anything of my experiences. So we don't, John Stewart doesn't argue that anymore. I'm telling the UFO world find out why these people are going bad shit crazy. Why? And going to the point of threatening me.

Why? Over a hoaxed video. I ran for governor. I wasn't a governor. I'm not in Congress. You know, I'm, you know, I'm a little guy from Chicago. None of this is making sense. None of this is making sense.

And all of a sudden, when I'm calling congressmen and going to their offices about an alien retention program, all of a sudden, David Grush shows up. I'm not just, I'm just saying, is that coincidence? Maybe. Or was it before this, you know, crazy guy from Chicago gets really attraction, let's just, let's Let's roll out this crush guy. I believe that. Let's give a controlled face to the narrative. Well, of course, because, you know, and again, I wasn't, I'm not saying that the government

is on the internet following me, but I'm saying when I started going to congressmen's offices handing the still photos and the investigation, that must have been the beep, beep, you know, like what, you know, because those phones are monitored and those, that telecommunication has, has been monitored and whatnot. And I think that did somehow, in my opinion, not fact, prompt, you know, the Grush coming forward. Who said the exact same thing that I told Congressman in the New York Times? The government has had an alien retention and interrogation program. And David Grush said that without naming the facility names and whatnot.

I find that very suspect that when the six-month window, when I started, started going to congressman's offices and emailing that that that grush comes forward. Call it what you want. I don't know. That's, that's my opinion. That's wild. That is wild. Yeah. So in your gut, it seems like you feel like your efforts spawned a lot of stuff here. I think in my opinion that the, exactly what the Pentagon told this guy to write me. The nature of my FOIA requests, my overseas emails, they went, and Linda Mullen Hull says that happened in the same thing happened. They got her book and her book was sitting on the middle of a conference table of generals and generals and they're like, this is, this is not good.

And somebody might have gotten a notion, I think with my seeing me on podcast that this guy's not going to stop. And what am I doing that's illegal? You let the film sneak out. You, the one that didn't come forward and say it was a hoax in 97. I come along in 2020 or 2019 and just simply ask people about it and start to prove the provenance and get all these visceral reactions. I'm in trouble. You're going to threaten my life. Not that it was. My life has ever been threatened. It hasn't. And I've never felt that it's ever been threatened. But, you know, I have done nothing wrong except I've done nothing wrong. All I have done is ask people, qualified, intelligent about the provenance of this film.

And I want to get something on record here too. I've said this a couple of times. I am a proponent of the government. I believe in our military. I believe that 99% of the people in the military are honorable people that should be honored by us. And I am not castigating the government for keeping this crazy, ultra-bizarer secret hidden from the public for all these years. Can you imagine thinking about telling the public about this? But now the cat is out of the back.

And all I am trying to do for my little part is to help the government come out of the closet. I coined that as far as the UFO phenomenon. Do I want to know every single secret that the government has? No, because I understand politically and geopolitically as a statesman that I don't want our enemies to have that. We get that. I'm telling you the government right now. We understand that. But to tell us that beans have traversed the galaxy or the dimensions,

and they've been coming to this planet, and possibly that extraterrestrial is coming to the planet, have been the source code for all of our religions, and that bears out religion. That doesn't destroy religion. That's my view on that. And Reverend Michael Carter, who's part of my team, He's been on ancient aliens.

He's an experienceer. He said, made a great point. And I'm going to wrap this up. Is that, I'm sure we have questions. But he said, we have to do something like happened in South Africa when Nelson Mandela took office, which was this exoneration of past misdeeds. The only way, and I know this is uncomfortable people out there, the only way you're going to have generals and colonels and subcontractors and contractors and contractors and C. come forward to talk about the illegal money that was made and spent,

the possible murders and cover up, is to exonerate everybody, as uncomfortable as that is. That is the only way you're going to get, you're going to have this path to make a path in the field for these people to come forward to say, yes, I was part of this program. Yes, I covered it up. I'm sorry. And the American people will forgive them.

And it's going to be uncomfortable. It's going to be uncomfortable for a single mother in Englewood, in the south side of Chicago to realize she's on food stamps, she doesn't have transportation for daycare or job, and we've spent $8 trillion in the past, you know, 80 years studying tissue and making little spacecrafts, that's going to be a hard pill to swallow to people, where my daughter's education at Indiana is $40,000 a year.

I mean, it's going to be a hard pill for me to swallow, that we've spent all this money, you've kept it, and then you haven't, to some degree, used it for the betterment of society, in a military application. I don't know. But I do feel like we've been conditioned to assume as much anyways.

At least for me, I have a very cynical view. You know, but, you know, like I look around and I know what they're telling me they're spending money on and I hate it.

Right. Do I think that they're spending money on things that they're not talking about? Of course, 9-11 happened and before 9-11 was 9-10 and what they admitted there with the trillions of dollars that went missing.

Did it really go missing? Like, I mean, that's for another show, I'm sure. But like, there's a lot of times that we look at what they're doing and it's like, yeah, I'm not buying it. So in reality, we're already conditioned to accept the fact that just come clean and do it. And so we can move forward. So true. You know what I'm saying? So true.

I just. American people is, the American public is so forgiving, especially when you come clean with them. Yeah. You know, they will. They'll be blowback. There are going to be some hard feelings, but, you know, again, I've been attacked because this has not been a gloom and doom. I'm the happiest I've ever been, Tony.

I'm looking at you as my friend. I'm the happiest I've ever been in my, in 56 years. For a guy that's done a lot, I've watched my children be born. I'm at the happiest level I've ever been. I can't really tell you the reason of that is, but this has not been, although it's been scary and bizarre at times, has not been. doom and gloom. And I think possibly this is something like World War II that can bring the country together. You know, now we have a shared mission. We're on the small planet. We're going

through the galaxy, you know, at a thousand miles an hour and we're all in this together. Could that be the message and could that be something that we take? Because we're a society that bashes people over the head on Black Friday for a $10 toaster. That's true. We have a long way to go. Maybe this is something that just clears the path for us to say there's something bigger out there and we need to be part of this galactic community embrace these galactic brothers and sisters of ours and i truly believe i truly believe in the american people and i'm not running for president i truly believe in the american people that this will this will this will this coming out properly might bring the country together wow well it's a very inspiring uh uh

statement that you have been sharing here. And, you know, I, I think you're really on to some very interesting things. I think that what you're doing, you've made so much headway. And the process, what you just shared is just, I almost feel like you're mid-jury. This is, this story is not done. It is not written. And I'm excited to see where you go forward from here. Do you have any sense of direction? moving forward? I mean, I know you're going to the congressman's office today, right? Yes. And so you're doing a lot of different things. It seems like you're still very much boots on the ground, leg work. What is, I guess maybe, do you have any plans moving forward as to, okay, I'm in Knoxville now. And this is my plan,

my next six-month plan on how to, you know, advance. I told, I told people, they're like, well, write a book. I'm like, the story's not done yet. Yeah. So I, I, I'm impressed that you actually said that that verbiage. You know, getting this on the record for Congress, John Stewart of Chikov, Deerfield, Illinois, has presented the, you know, his investigation in a project. Whereas in letting that start with, you know, Tim Burchett's like, we're going to have to overturn tables in the Pentagon because they're not, they're, well, Tim, Congressman, I've, here's the program. I told you. It's fine.

Don't worry about. Here's the project name. Here's the program name. Here's the facility names. Here's where this program is being conducted out. You don't have to turn over tables. I'm giving you this information. Yeah.

So to get this on record and to get it firmly established of what has been taking place in the past with government, to also try and with some politicians to be on a bipartisan committee. of citizen, politician, military, of, of, again, doing what they did in South Africa, of, you know, this exonerating people and going through the process of coming clean with the American people and the world and exonerating and actually find out what took place, how much money was spent, and just wiping the books clean. I would, I see myself as part of that. I think my political background has prepped me for that, to be part of that. And lastly, there are so many still witnesses that I still are on my list that I still haven't, you know, talked to a couple of more people that claimed to have been an S-4 security guard, who I'm starting to get weird information about and where people say he was a hoaxer,

and I'm getting a little bit of a different vibe from my information and some of the other relatives of some of these people that I still have that I still have to interview. And of course, once we get money, you know, funding, you know, re-trying to recreate that being to see if it could have been done in 1996. Yeah. On top of that, you know, mapping out the entire story for the world, you know, on a documentary and in a book. or, you know, I am not, and I never will. You can take this to the bank, one of those UFO guys that's going to keep the bombshells, which we still have to get to before I leave, within me, this is going to be released.

I'm not going to, I hated that when I was in the UFO world or an observer and people, you wouldn't ever get the answer and they would hold on to it. It's coming, it's coming. No, it's coming. If I have to go on a show and just spell it all out, give all the names, it's coming. The only thing I'm worried about is CNN trucks showing these doctors and these people in military that are still alive. And I think I'm not remiss in that. And I think that's not a plausible thing that I have to think about.

I'm still going to release the names, but, you know, should we go to them with lawyers and say, we're releasing your name? You know. What's the respectable professional way to go about it? That's it. Because I don't, because I'm, you know, I'm an investigative reporter, but I'm not a journalist. I'm not a TV guy or a, or, you know, a person that's a professional investigator. You're not trying to build a name for yourself as a journalist for your boss for the next promotion. No, I'm not.

And so you're not trying to harm people to get your next position in life. And people roll their eyes when I say that. I'm like, I'm serious. If that camera crew showed up to that doctor's office, I would feel like shit. I would feel awful. I would feel awful. I'm a very similar situation. Okay, good.

You know, so I'm speaking with kindred spirits. So let me give the last bombshells in case we're running. You want to ask question, whatever. Sure. So Linda Moldenhow has been like amused to me, meaning like she has said and done things on her documentary or sent me things that, oh my God, wait a minute. So I never could figure out what 27 is. Now, remember, the rear admiral that I named was Colin Powell's chief liaison for intelligence. was in the Oval Office.

My wife and I are, my wife's sleeping. I'm in bed watching my 600th documentary, this poor woman, three in the morning. I just watched documentaries about euphology just to find out. It's a Lyndon Moulton Howe documentary about Ronald Reagan being briefed in 1980 about the extraterrestrial phenomena. Above each page of the briefing, Tony, is the number 27. And I kind of sit up in bed. I'm like, I wake up my wife. I said, Joanne, look.

27 is on the top of those Ronald Reagan briefing. She's like, yeah. I'm like, 27 is the thing on the bottom of the film. The Victor film, I could never, I don't know what it is. And she's like, well, who's that guy? I'm like, Rick Doge. She's like, ask Rick tomorrow. I'm like, okay, right, why?

Never even thought. Because Victor said it's a cataloging number. Don't worry about it. So I call up Doty. This was out of a movie. Like Rick. What's 27? Oh, you mean like in the middle?

military? Yeah, in the military. I'm almost like pissed that he hasn't like, I'm like, he's like, well, that's Yankee White. I'm like, what? He goes, it's the security designation, Yankee White. What's Yankee White? I mean, a little like, snarky with him. He's like, well, Yankee White

is the security umbrella designation for anyone that deals with the president and briefs the president. I'm like, unpack that for me. He's like, John, if I was going to hand you documents, And on the document, it said 27 or Yankee White, but it would say 27.

And if you didn't have that clearance of Yankee White, you'd have fold that packet, pass it back. You could not access it. Same with film, same with anything. I said, do you? And Dodie is charming because he doesn't really know that much about the victim. You think Doty would know every new one? He doesn't. You know, it's just, it's like me trying to, it's like me.

why doesn't John still remember a match from 1990? It's not important to me. It's wrote. I said, it's on the bottom of the Victor film. He's like, it is? I'm like, yeah. He's like, well, that means that somebody in that room, this is Rick Doty.

Does it know anything about that it was on there? He's like, I would extrapolate that that meant that somebody in that room or that that portion of that film was being shown to somebody who was then going to the president of the United States. I said, have you ever heard of an Admiral Schaefer? He said, no.

I said, he's Navy. He's like, well, no, I've never, I don't, I don't think I've ever remember hearing about him. I said, this DIA report that I got from the chairman, of course, I told Rick about the report. I said, he was the Joint Chief's liaison for intelligence for Colin Powell. He would have, I know he was in the Oval Office. He's like, well, that's why you're seeing 27 on that film. I'm like, is a screenwriter in 1996 and a strip mall video production company going to get a known what 27 Yankee white security is?

No. And then put on the liaison for the Joint Chiefs. Come, folks. I mean, come on. Yeah. So, I mean, that was to me, that was just, that was it. I mean, that was, you know, I mean, I'm like, this is, I can't go on to Claritaville and say, this is all real.

but boy oh boy if it isn't this is the most convoluted 30 year hoax involving 30 people you know a senator is communicating with a screenwriter is communicating with a admiral and a vice admiral that knows that this was a hoax and to ghost me and an 85 year old widow woman come on yeah what's ackham's razor that it was a real video yeah of an interrogation i like to call a q and a cause interrogation is so negative, a Q&A of an off-planet beating. I mean, come on. Come on. And the 27 was just the icing on the cake. Can I say one more thing? Yeah. So I find an email from the project director of Aquarius.

His name is Thomas Mack. In this email to another person from 99, he writes, find Rick Doty. He was O'Connor Intelligence Agent for Project Aquarius. He's an Albuquerque state trooper. Dan Burrish was part of our project, too, the guy that everybody says is crazy. And I could have a lot of information that could embarrass the government. And in 2000, he's dead of a brain hemorrhage. Not drawing any conclusion.

Supposedly his family said that there's hemorrhagic stroke hereditary in their family. So about three months ago, Lyndon Bowen Howe gives me part of a manual that is given, this is on the internet given to people who retrieve craft and also in part of this manual or this this this one document it gives the classifications of ETs where they might come from this and that this is this is weird stuff good investigative uh interesting stuff so i see um as far as the gray aliens i see a designation any pc something like any i can't but it was um bbs and it triggered me. I said, where have I seen BBS before?

This is an alien document. Linda Howell got this from a military person. Where have I seen BBS? I know this is, I know there was BBS RIMS in the 80s. I'm like, I'm just, you know, I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute. The personal email of Tom Mack, the project manager of Aquarius, who wrote a Rick, I forget his name, a personal, you know, an investor. investigator. The Project Aquarius's personal email has BBS, Snowman, at AOL or sold Expedia or whatever,

on his email. So here's somebody probably subconsciously using coding from his military background in his own personal email. Is that a, is that a, if I did the case cracker? No. Case cracker, no. But it's just another bizarre, you know, linkage that that something is going on here. Yeah.

That, that, that, that, all the, all the, all the, all the buttons are being plugged into other buttons and

there's no red lights going on. It's all green light on the board. Meaning, you know, this, this is all, all, all, all,

all jiving. I, it just, um, it's, it's, it's, it's,

makes me feel like I'm like in a, like in a, like in a, uh, uh, Tom Clancy novel when I'm discovering, and I'm going back and I'm going through documents and with my 80s.

and, you know, yeah, it's exciting, but it's, it's, it's, it, when I think about the larger implications of, you know, this great lie and the greatest cover-up in human history, as I call it, it does, it does make me pause, but, um, I said, I think we're going to come through this. I just don't think that this is something that, um, uh, that we should, we need to, we need to draw our attention to this, the American people in the world and, and we can do it. No, I absolutely agree. Uh, and, and as wrap up here, I would highly encourage anybody listening to this that might have stumbled across this YouTube video or this podcast feed that might have information, they should reach out to you. You know, they should be brave and take this step that so many others haven't. Right. And inform and

give the information that you have because the information is coming. I mean, just read the room. I mean, the last five years, you know, it's just exploded. The information's out there and it's coming. And if you don't get ahead of it, you might at the end of the day wish you would have. And so I would just highly encourage people that are listening. If you have that information, please go ahead and contact John. Shoot, you can come in studio too. I'll bring John back in. We'll have a three. We have a round table discussion and stuff. Yeah, let me give you my email. It's a J-O-N, without the H, Allen, A-L-A-N, S-E-W-A-R-T-A-O-L-D-O-L-D-com. Folks, I have done this on purpose.

Not that there's anything wrong with it, and not saying that this might not be my future, but just so I could escape the criticism of some people, I have not monetized my investigation at this point. I don't have a channel that's monetized. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying, so people can't come to me and say, oh, this is another fast buck core of the UFO. No, that is not it at all.

So when people laugh at me, like, I've got a crappy website that's under construction, a YouTube channel called Hunting Victor documentary. That's got a couple of, you know, of videos on it. But, you know, I want to have the monetary issue of this off the table, you know, until we proceed to a documentary. But for five years, I've not put a dime in my pocket. And this probably cost me up to $20,000 so far as far as travel and getting a special effects person analyzed the film. And I'm way past probably $20,000. So I'm very proud that I haven't put anything in my pocket as of right now five years. And this has been a pure investigative journalistic approach.

And I'm proud of that. Your wife's like, man, my husband fell into a very expensive hobby. She's like, you know, when guys are 50 and they have a midlife crisis, they go get a Corvette. My husband goes and searches for aliens. Yeah, and it turns out he's fine enough. Well, John, listen, I appreciate you coming in and sharing your story from beginning to end. I hope that this was good for you because I feel like it was a fantastic way to present this story. And like I said to you when we first connected, I feel like my audience is tailored for this.

We have a lot of people who listen to the show to hear people's life stories with this kind of stuff. and you fit the bill and it's very timely. This is something that we're not looking back on and saying, oh, this is John's story that happened 20 years ago. We're in the middle of it right now. And so the listening audience understand that this is a story that is not finished being written. And you can be part of the story as well

by sharing this information worldwide. Get it out to everybody because the more you share the links to this stuff, the more opportunity it has to get in front of the right eyes, right ears that have the information that John needs to crack the case. So please, if you found this information very informative, which I already know you have, if you're here this long, I think Jack, how long have you been recording? Like three hours? So three hours, if you're still here, it's because you want to be here. So please, at this point, share the link, share it with people and let them know the truth of the matter of this investigation. And John, I appreciate

you being here, man. Thank you, pal. Appreciate it very much. I really do. Thank you. Yeah. It's been a pleasure.