The Confessionals - 59: The Other Side of Dogman

Episode Date: March 3, 2018

Is dogman evil? Is it a vicious killing machine? What about a paranormal entity? We've heard people detail these creatures for years and most the encounters seem to follow a very similar pattern. However, tonight, Lisa comes on the show to share her interactions with these things and they seem to be of a different nature than most peoples. There are many mysteries still in this world and dogman is most certainly one of them. Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionals Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel  

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Up underneath the door, curl up to grab it and then disappear. It's almost like they're unzippering our reality. They stick their heads through and they look around and if it looks like the coast is clear, they step through the rest of the direction. If you pick the head, you get the whole

package. If you don't take the head off then what happens is they disappear. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to Still, but no one's supposed to talk about it. Far side of the room, and there's Jack, and he's got blood on his face. He looks at me, and he just says one word. Oops.

Bees longer than most people have birds. There's bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You are listening to The Confessionals, a proud featured show on Blog Talk Radio. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is the Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. That's the Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Or you can go to

the website, the Confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Now, I want to remind everybody that I am going to Frank Saris Library in Cannonsburg, Pennsylvania on April 14th. There's going to be a big, big foot conference going on out there. And I'm going to be part of it a little bit, hanging out with people, just having some fun. If you're within a five-hour drive of there, I expect to see you because I'm driving six hours to get there. So if you're within five hours, I would love to see you out there. Please come on out. Hang out with me, hang out with everybody else there. It will be a great time. Now, this week's iTunes shout-outs is, now remember,

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and I highly recommend everybody. Go check it out on Amazon. And then we're going to bring on Lisa, who had a very unconventional dogman encounter. I'm really excited about tonight's show, so let's get it going. Okay, tonight I have Bill Lancaster on, and Bill has actually started a doc,

or he actually created a documentary, and he's here tonight to talk about it. Bill, how you doing, man? All right, Tony. How you doing, sir? I'm doing great, man. We spent some time here talking and getting to know each other, and, man, I'm really excited about

what this documentary has been doing for you, this movie. So why don't you tell people what it's about and stuff? It's called Cultured Bigfoot. How did you come up with this idea and how did you start executing on the production aspect of things? Well, basically, I have a very supportive wife. That's the best thing. Me and her, as we got to know each other, one of the things we would do late at night was listen to stuff like coast-to-coast-a-m and listen to the sci-fi stuff, the Bigfoot, the paranormal,

the UFO, the conspiracy theory stuff and all that. And so we were fascinated in that, but one of the things we were particularly fascinated in was Bigfoot. And we were reading books, listening to podcasts, watching every documentary we could, and then I think it was two years ago. My wife happened to see on Facebook that there was a... a Bigfoot conference that was going to be about 60 miles away from where we lived. And she's like, we ought to go to that because one of the things on our bucket list was to go to

a UFO conference. We're like, that'd be so cool, you know. And so anyways, we decided to go, got tickets. I reached out and found out who the conference organizer was. And I said, hey, would you mind if I filmed the speakers? And if I do, I'll put it up and share it on Facebook. I'll even give you a copy if you want, but I just would like to film it. Well, surprisingly, the guy said, yeah, no, that'd be great. If you'd be willing to share it, that'd be great. So I had just upgraded my camera and gotten one that shot 1080 HD and did broadcast quality video and started working on some sound equipment.

And so anyways, I went up there for the conference and set the camera up. I didn't have any special privileges. I just sat back there and videotaped it. Well, not videotaped anymore, recorded it. And if someone's baldhead got in the way, then as I edited, I would just throw up a screen grab of something else. And if the lights dimmed, I would throw up another screen grab of the logo, of the conference or whatnot.

Anyways, it turned out when I put this up, there was a bunch of people watching and commenting on it. Well, I got to meet a couple of the lecturers and subsequently became really good friends with two of them, Dr. David Floyd. He's a Ph.D. out of Southern Charleston University and Russell Easterbrooks. He's a sports writer for Football Nation.com, and he's an artist and a Bigfoot researcher. I got to be friends with these guys. And come back to the house, and over the next week or two or a month or two, me and my wife were continuing to watch documentaries and stuff.

And to be honest with you, we were watching some stuff that was out there that was just absolutely horrible. It was a lot of bouncy GoPro footage and night vision footage and clear footage and didn't make a lot of sense. And my wife had said, because my camera and playing with it, you could do something that is as good as that or better. And I was like, yeah, I probably could. and she knew I was wanting to try and film something.

And I started working on a little project with author, Stephen Jay Simoni, so they called Write a Passage. And we got that pretty much filmed and kind of on hold while we were getting this going. And anyways, I reached back out to some of these folks that I had met and said, hey, I'd like to do a documentary here. And my wife had said, well, what do you want to do? You don't want to, like, you know, be chasing glow sticks around the, would and this that and the other and I said one of the things I was fascinated with

was when you got on you know Facebook or something or Google and you put in Bigfoot you found this whole community that you didn't know existed in social media and we started reaching out to these folks and all of a sudden we were fascinated with the community the people that look for Sasquatch and are interested in it and so my wife had come up with the famous or famous the the tagline of we're not seeking the elusive Sasquots, but the much easier to find squatter. And so that kind of went from there,

and we started the outline, and I had kind of a dream team of folks that I wanted in at Cliff and Bobo and Lyle Blackburn and Dr. Meldrum. And as I started reaching out to these guys months in advance, I was getting a whole lot more yeses instead of knows. And so from March of last year to September of last year, I ended up doing about 23 different interviews, and what I thought was going to be a glorified YouTube video turned into an actual honest-to-god documentary movie. And basically, with consumer-grade editing software, I put together what was out there and started showing it to a few folks that I'd become friends with, like a Seth Breed Love of Small Town Monsters.

Thomas Markham of the Crypto Crew, and these guys were telling me, did you're onto something? And what are you using? And what? That's that $99 software and stuff like that? I was tricking the software to make it, you know, instead of clicking a button to make this look sharp, I would layer three or four effects to make it look like what I'd seen on TV.

And it was all just self-talk kind of thing, you know, checking it out on YouTube and linda.com and stuff like that. And I just kind of sat here and started learning and doing it. And all of a sudden, we actually found out that we had a real movie. And we started having folks call us and want to do podcast after we put our first trailer out. And all of a sudden, my wife got really nervous and was like, oh, my gosh, you've got something that people are expecting you to actually have something out there now.

and we've got to make this good. And I wasn't as nervous as she was until we got into the editing part, but all of a sudden it just turned into a full-blown documentary. And it kind of goes on from there, the whole editing and figuring out how to get it out there and everything. But that basically was it. We went to a conference, and I recorded it, made a few connections. One thing led to another, and we took my new camera

and upgraded some equipment. and started making an honest-to-goodness movie, a respectful movie about the Bigfoot community and the folks involved from the wide demographic, from PhDs all the way down to the boots on the ground guys, architects, lawyers, high school, janitors, truck drivers. I mean, it was just amazing. What other field would you have these people to come together at a conference

and they would never, ever talk to each other in any other circumstance? they'll sit down and talk about something that everybody else outside of that conference thinks you're a goon for getting into but these group of folks will sit down and talk about Bigfoot and that was just amazing to us and that's where we went we wanted to show why these folks take it serious and why they you know believe or think that there is the probability of this creature existing and and and it was just fascinating, you know, so that's kind of the long end of it. No, it's great. I had the opportunity to check out your documentary and stuff, and I just thought it was absolutely well done, especially,

I mean, this is your first real project that you did, and it was just so well put together. It wasn't like you shot a bunch of stuff, threw it all together, and that was it. I mean, you could tell there was literal intent behind us. every frame of what you did. And I appreciated that as a consumer of your product. And like, as time went on as I was watching this and stuff, I was learning so much about the Bigfoot community. And just the way you put together and stuff is, like you said, respectful, very respectful on all fronts. And I just, I thought you did a great job with it. And you're absolutely right with the bigfoot community and stuff going to these conferences stuff. You get the chance to sit down

people that you never would have talked to in any other circumstances. And that's a very unique thing about this. Well, I have to tell you, the reason this thing worked out looking so coherent and cohesive is, it's kind of funny. I am the guy that sets it to the computer and has learned how to do the editing software. My wife is learning but doesn't know the editing software. And so my wife is also the very analytical one, the writer-narrator behind it, co-director, co-everything. And I would be sitting there and she would say, these three segments at the 45-minute mark need to come up to the 15, 18, and 25-minute mark move them. I would wince and about have a heart attack because I knew how easy I could screw it up. And she didn't know that, but she knew that's what she wanted.

And so her giving me orders, honestly, is what made this because I was like, oh, no, I don't know if I want to do that. Well, we did it, and then all of a sudden we'd have to render it and re-save it, and then we would watch through, and we'd go, oh, my gosh, that sounds so much better. Well, Tony, it went through seven cuts, and I truly found out when people say when you put a movie out is truly never done, well, I know what they're talking about. I got to that seventh cut, and I said, look, I don't want to even see it anymore. My wife said that first. She doesn't want to see anymore. But I said, you know what? That is as good as it gets right now.

This is our first time out. But after I sat down and made a DVD of it, well, actually, it's shot in Blu-ray quality. So I made a Blu-ray, and I popped it on my 55-inch plasma and watched it through as a real movie. and the thing I wasn't being self-aggrandizing or anything but I sat there and watched it and I went oh my gosh that's

that's like what I would watch on I would look for on TV and I just was like well you know I'm hoping the other folks see it because now we took and we had so many people say that man you've got so many interviews how are you going to make that make sense well

it was kind of a direction of both of us working on it and my wife literally fine-tuning it and saying this needs to go here and here and then we both would watch and then I would go back in and do the fine-tuning a fade-in, fade out and throw the narration here and stuff like that. And so it was truly a team project. We don't have a production team. You're talking to one half of it. It was truly just me and my wife and and I was it was one of those things I got so sick of seeing a lot of these YouTube things and documentaries where you could tell this guy wanted to be

setting beside dr. Meldrum and be in the same frame so that he looked as cool as Dr. Meldrum did well we didn't want that at all I thought that's so cheesy and so we wanted to make sure we weren't seeing we were behind the camera And the stars of our movie are not us at all. It's those people that are in front of it. And to be honest with you, that's who makes the movie. It was one of those things we had to learn. We're not journalists, but we had to learn a journalistic aspect of this.

And it's all about asking the right question that evokes that gold nugget of a response. And when you sit down in front of somebody like Dr. Melder, someone I absolutely wanted to meet, and you see him kind of smile when you ask him a certain question, and you can tell he's not been asked that before, you know that you and your wife have done the right thing, and you're not just going, when did you first see him? Have you ever seen him, you know, that kind of stuff. And so anyways, it's truly, and I'm sorry that she can't be here,

but she literally has just gotten in from work at a late night. but she is truly the other half of this that made this sound and look as good as it did and be as as as coherent as a flow as it was yeah and you guys you're absolutely right you guys did this the absolute right way you weren't trying to be the star of the film uh i don't even remember seeing you guys in the film if you weren't it at all and and that's we want that's exactly and that's how how I approach my show. I try to let the guest talk as much as possible because people are tuning in to hear the

guest, not me. And so you guys did it absolutely right. And it shows because I'm telling you it was fantastic. I absolutely loved it. And I highly encourage people to check it out. So, Bill, where can people find cultured Bigfoot? I want to start out by saying the first place I would love for you to go find it is vitiSpace.com.

Nick Groff and Elizabeth St. had January 8, 18, 18, 18, 1-18, they launched their vidyspace.com. And it is all about the crypted, paranormal, documentaries, haunted space, this and that and the other.

And they had approached us about a month ago. They had seen our project out there and wanted us to be a part of their newly streaming platform. And so, for all the folks that are listening to you so that we can support them, I would hope that you would go to VitiSpace first and check them out. And the reason I say that is because we are also

on Amazon streaming, but on purpose we did it so that one isn't cheaper than the other. They both cost the same thing. The advantage of VitiSpace is if you're a subscriber, you can actually stream it. We don't have that on Amazon. Amazon right now. We won't go to Prime for a while. We're doing the rentals. So there's actually an advantage for you to go over to VitiSpace. If you become a subscriber, besides getting all their other content, then you can actually watch ours as many time as you want. But on both platforms, you can stream them, rent them, and you can download them digitally to own. We also have DVDs available, and you can simply go to Facebook,

We're small time enough. Go to my Facebook page, Coultered Bigfoot, and just put an inbox request. We'll ask you for your email. We use, just like PayPal, we use the Square Reader system, and we can send you a secure invoice. You pay it, put the address in, and we can send you a DVD out. And if you don't do Facebook, just simply Darth Bill 68, that's just like Darth Bill. fader. I'm a Star Wars fan. All lowercase, no spaces, Darth Bill and the number 6.8 at Gmail.com. You send us an email and we'll get one in the mail to you. We're doing them for

$15. That includes shipping and handling and for the folks that end up. Because we've had some requests, and I put this out there, some of these shops and whatnot that are wanting them. If you order 10 or more, we're offering a 40% discount. So, Amazon, on VitiSpace and get us on email or Cultured Bigfoot on Facebook, and we can get you a DVD. That's fantastic. And VitiSpace is V-I-D-I-Space.com. Is that right? Yes, sir.

Yep. Awesome. And I think I may have actually sent you a link in there so that you can go straight to that if you want to use that. But anyways, it's one of those things. Those folks reach out to us. And because they are in the community of what we're doing, to be honest with you, I mean, it obviously helps us either one you go to.

But I would hope that a lot of folks that are listening to you because they like what you do and what we're doing would also like what Nick and Elizabeth are doing and go over to the Viti space and rent it or download it from them so that we can – because me and Seth were talking the other day, and I know it sounds like name-dropping, but Seth Bredlove, he's getting ready to launch his mini-series with Alexander on there on the Trail of Chant. And we both see the potential for this becoming a very watchable streaming platform

for the particular genre of movies that we're doing that eventually can compete with stuff like Amazon. Yeah, I absolutely agree. So definitely check it out. space.com looking up cultured bigfoot and if you guys want and you're on Facebook go to cultured bigfoot's fan page

and give it a like. The more likes, the better it is for Bill to be able to get on other platforms. Bill, are you trying to get on Netflix at all? Well, it's one of those things that I'm not going to be, you know,

silly. I would love to be on Netflix. I have had a lot more people tell me that, man, the attraction that your stuff is getting and the uniqueness of the subject and how you've done it different, I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix doesn't get a hold of you. We are our own marketing and distributor.

It's us. We've done everything. And so I'm not actively pursuing them, but I'd be tickled pink if they got a hold of us because I wouldn't even know how to, you know, because basically what I found is you need to go. or a distributor to get them, but folks are telling us that they wouldn't

be surprised if they get a hold of us. So we'll know, who knows, it's all invisible right now to us. It's just it's out there and we're happy to be able to flip it on and go, oh my gosh, there it is next to an episode of Finding Bigfoot and one of Seth's movie. That was the

coolest thing I said set the picture the other day. I was like, oh my gosh, I pulled this up on the screen and there's that and there's that and it just you know, we're just amateurs at this. We're just normal people, and we happen to have evidently done something that is out of the norm of what's being put out there. And so, you know, we're hoping God will bless us and let it turn into a success. And if it's only a success as us being happy that it's done and flipping on seeing it on TV,

then we'll take that, you know, but... Well, Bill, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing with the audience about your documentary. And like I said, I highly suggest people checking this out. I've seen it a couple weeks ago now, and it was phenomenal. So I applaud you on your efforts, you and your wife, you guys did a great job, and I know people that listen to this are going to want to check it out as well. So thank you very much for coming on. Well, thank you, man.

And just so you know, we have already... I'll shut up after this, but we already, this last weekend, had our first production meeting, which was me and my wife, and we've already started writing a follow-up movie to this. And so hopefully by the end of this year, we'll have another one coming at you that'll be in the similar vein of this, taking a serious approach at another aspect of the Bigfoot community. Awesome, man. I cannot wait. And we'll have you back on for that as well. Thank you, Tony. All right. Take care.

Okay, tonight I have a great guest coming on. I have Lisa, and Lisa has experienced several different things going on throughout her life. Lisa, how are you? Good. How are you? I'm doing good. What part of the country are you in? I am in Middle Tennessee. Gotcha. Okay. I've actually talked to several people from Tennessee and stuff. It's an interesting state for sure. So you have actually experienced both,

dogman and Sasquatch. And I believe you said on multiple occasions. And it seems like when we were talking here a little bit, it's something to do with like your family history as well. Like it actually tracks back throughout your family history. So it's very fascinating. If you, if you want, though, just kind of start with us. You know, how'd this all begin for you? Like where did it all start? When did you start realizing that this was, you know, happening to you as far as these encounters. Kind of tricky to answer that. I think

I think the first time I really realized that there was something going on that was not normal was probably when I was watching an episode of In Search of with my parents and this was when this was when the show was actually coming on every week and it would be a brand new episode. episode. But I distinctly remember laying on the couch next to my mother and I couldn't have

been any more than four or five years old. And the episode about the Sierra Sounds came on and they were playing some of the recordings that they had picked up and they were some of the, what they call the samurai chatter. And I remember just hearing those noises and I still remember feeling absolutely terrified. Like I was just shaking next to my mother on the couch. And I remember my dad switching it off and them asking me what was wrong. And I just told them that I was terrified. And they insisted that, you know, there's nothing to worry about because that was all the

way out in California. And we were in Vermont and we were perfectly safe. And I remember asking them if they were sure a few times. Like, are you sure that's not here? Are you sure that we're safe? And they kept insisting that we were fine. And then I remember them turning the TV back on. And the show had gone to something else.

I think it was almost like a loosely related connection because I was having encounters with something in our backyard. And what I've learned that it was possibly is what a lot of people in the Dogman community, referred to as type 3, meaning that it is a dog, it's a dog-like creature. I think the really, the only way that you could honestly, honestly describe the appearance of this thing is if Bigfoot and a werewolf had a baby. Very kind of odd-looking.

Definitely dog-like features, but not as pronounced as something that you would maybe find. in like the underworld movies as some people have described some of their encounters and some of the looks of these creatures. And for me, what really started it was I was very much a wanderer. I'd go outside and I'd play, but I would wander around and explore. We lived in a very pretty, pretty much normal suburban neighborhood in a small town that still has to this day still only has about 16,000 people in it. Surrounded by mountains and lots of forests and lots of fields and wildlife and stuff. And there was this patch of woods behind my house

and I used to go and wander around in there. And during that time of exploring, I found a neighbor behind us who had a playhouse. And very rarely did I ever see kids there. I don't think that there were kids had actually lived there. But there was this really nice playhouse, and it was stocked full of toys, and it had a little table inside. And for a while, I would go in there, and I would sit at the table, and I would start playing with things. And then I would just get this feeling that would come over me, and I would just start

feeling afraid in it. I would never really know why. Or not at that time, I wouldn't know why. But I would just run. Like the fear was enough to just make me run out of the playhouse and run back home. And I even remember one day bringing my older sister, who was about seven years older than me, to this playhouse. And we sat down and the same feeling came over her.

And I remember her very distinctly saying, let's go home. I don't like it here. And so we left and went back home. Well, one afternoon, I was wandering around, went to the playhouse and started a play. and the people that owned this house came home. And I remember seeing the lady that lived there through their sliding glass doors, kind of opened up the door and let the fresh air in. And I remember her putting on some music.

And she kind of just sat on a cushion and just started playing guitar and just kind of looking out, you know, into the backyard. And as she's doing that, I'm stuck in the playhouse and I realize that if I try to leave, she's going to see me, I'm going to get caught, I'm going to be in trouble, you know. But I start hearing what sounds like humming. So it sounds like it's several voices, but very low and just kind of like a drone, almost like bees, but very, very low, maybe kind of metallic sounding, for lack of a better term. and I'm not sure to this day if it was possibly growling, but it was some kind of vocalization. And I'm really not even too sure if I've heard anything quite like it since

because it was from several individuals. But I looked next to this birch tree next to me and I saw what looked like an eye staring at me through the V and I remember just a distinct black eye watching me. and I, you know, flew out of the playhouse and ran home and didn't go back for a little while, as far as I remember. And then one day I was in the backyard and I was on the path trying to go to what the playhouse was. And I got cut off. There was something that stepped in front of me and it was within, I mean, within like a foot.

and I look up into the face of this thing that had kind of a dark blonde hair. I mean, maybe similar to Chubacca but lighter, you know, in color. And I just remember black eyes, a black nose that was kind of very, very slightly protruding from its face. and the ears being more more links-like only because they were they were pointed in sort of shapes that way and this thing had the right side of its body blocking me and it was just kind of looking down his nose at me and blinking and I'm looking up at it and then there's a noise that's behind it drawing its attention away from me. And I look past this blonde creature and I see another one.

And this one is red, almost like an all-burn. And I just remember eyes blinking from the boughs of a maple tree, but I couldn't make out any details on the thing's face of the red one. But the red one ended up turning itself around and it was standing in the middle of my parents vegetable garden and it started to rip the plants out. And I remember saying, I'm going to tell my dad on you in running into my house and through the kitchen. And when I turned around to shut the door, the blonde creature was standing on the other side of the stoop looking in. And that was when fear kicked in.

And I was afraid that it was going to come into the house, you know, and try to. try to hurt us. So I I mean she shut the door I went into the living room and I told my parents that there were monsters in the garden and they were ripping things up. And of course they didn't believe me.

My dad was just like, yeah, all right. And my mom didn't say anything. She just went into the kitchen and she looked out into the backyard. And she said, nope, no monsters. And then, you know, I think she should, just thought I was pretending or something. And as far as I know, I remember running over to the door and looking out, and there was nothing there. So I'm trying to remember the next sequence of events.

But I think the next thing that I distinctly remember, and granted this was a very long time ago, so there could have been things that happened. Oh, yeah, actually, there was one thing that I do remember that did happen. And in that same house, it was a smaller house, and it was pretty much, you know, what my parents could afford on teacher salaries at the time. And it was a two-bedroom. So my parents had the downstairs bedroom and my sister had the upstairs bedroom, but there was sort of like an extra space that they kind of stuck me in that was sort of like a little kind of like a little in my area. upstairs. And I remember at night, I would just wake up in the middle of the night and I would see

what I remember now is several pairs of red eyes looking in the window. And I would feel afraid and I would try to ignore it. And I remember sometimes telling them to go away and they would just stay there watching. And so sometimes my parents would come upstairs to get me ready to go to school and they couldn't find me because I would be sleeping between the bed and the wall so that the eyes couldn't watch me.

And I just didn't remember my father, yeah, my father finding me one morning and he was like, why do you keep doing this? Every time we come up here and we can't find you, you scare us. And I said, well, I'm doing it so that the ice can't watch me. And I just remember the look on his face, just this total disturbed, you know, look of what are you talking about?

you know and I tried to explain to him that at night their eyes looking in and I think that was the first time I kind of learned what owls were I mean I was it was pretty young but he said well maybe maybe it's an owl and so I was hoping that that's what it was and I remember afterwards there'd be times when those eyes would show up and I called them the owl thinking that that's what it was I talked to my to a friend of my sisters who had come over to the house and was afraid of something and asked me if he'd seen the owl. And I remember asking my sister if she'd seen the owl. So that's what it became in my mind was that it was an owl or owls looking in the window at me. But the next incident that I remember, I'm thinking that there were probably other events that happened, just based on the creature's behavior that I don't remember that I may have blocked out. but there was a friend of my parents that came over with his little girl who was about my age and she was very shy and she wanted to be with her dad and I remember she was kind of crying and

everything and she was upstairs playing with me and she'd be okay playing for a few minutes and then she just burst into tears again and so I was trying to make her feel comfortable and I decided okay I'm going to show her the playhouse you know because it was my big secret and it was really cool. And I thought that she would be perfectly happy to see it. So I brought her, you know, to the playhouse, and we were having a great time sitting there playing. And then all of a sudden, the red creature that I described, oh, and I realized I missed something. So just let me backtrack for just a minute.

Yeah, go ahead. There was the second part to the garden. I think it was the next day or a couple hours later. My parents called me outside and the garden was destroyed, completely destroyed, completely ripped up. And my mom asked for me to tell the story again of what had happened. And I told her there were monsters in the garden and they tore everything up. So the first thought, because they were really trying to make sense of it, the first thing they thought was maybe I had lied and I had torn up the garden. but then they were like, no, this mess is too huge.

It couldn't have been her. And we also noticed that there were footprints. And I didn't get a good look at them, but I do remember my mom pointing them out to my dad a few times. And he at the time was the high school band director, and he thought maybe some kids that come to vandalize the garden. And I remember my mom very distinctly saying, how do you explain the footprints? and so they kind of made me stay out there with them while they were in the garden and I remember cleaning up a little bit. So I'd forgotten to mention that part, but this made me, you know, talking about the red

creature made me remember that part, but getting back to the second time of seeing the red creature walked by was when this little girl and I were in the playhouse and I couldn't see its head. So again, this was a large creature, but never saw what it was for sure. And it came walking past the playhouse and kind of made its way towards the house the house where this woman lived, but kind of veered off back into the trees. And behind it came the blonde creature. And I call it she. and you'll figure out why in a minute.

I really can't help but call it she. But she kind of looked in the window, which were cut out. So I think this thing was made of water plastic, but she looked in the window at this little girl that was with me. And then she and I made direct eye contact, the creature and I. And the little girl just flipped out and started to cower in the corner and cry. and when this creature made out contact with me, I dove under the little table that was in the house.

And she was instantly at the door, the creature was instantly at the door, had her feet in her legs, and pretty much most of her torso kind of wedged in the door, and started to make these vocalizations. And I remember very jagged, They look jagged. That's really, I think, from my mind that I can only describe her teeth as jagged.

But I don't think they were jagged. I think they were just sharp teeth. I remember her teeth, and I remember her making these deep kind of gruddle noises. And I don't think it was aggression. It almost seemed more like she was extremely amused with herself that she trapped us in the playhouse. And so this little girl is screaming hysterical. I'm screaming hysterical. We're both crying.

She's got us trapped in there. She's got her feet wedged in there. And, you know, kind of this shaggy blonde hair, so it's not like I really got a very good look at her feet, but almost like the tops of her feet seemed sort of almost like horseshoot in shape. That's really the only way I can describe it. It just was a really weird formation on top of her feet. And I remember screaming.

and it got worse because the other girl ended up peeing herself, which just escalated our terror. And I remember finally just reaching out and pounding on this thing's feet and screaming at it to move. And the vocal evasion stopped and the showing of the teeth stopped. And all of a sudden it just looked really taken aback and almost kind of offended that I had hit it. But she moved, she left. And I remember kind of reaching out for this other girl and just both of us just making it out of the house kind of kind of stumbling down the path.

And her just covered, you know, in pee. And we started to hear her father's voice from my backyard calling. And I looked at her and I was like, let's just tell me you had an accident. And she said, okay. and so we ended up getting back into the yard and he was very upset that she had an accident and brought her home and you know he asked before he left though he said you know what happened and I said she just got scared and she had an accident but she she was clinging to him she was hysterical I mean you know she was she was an absolute mess from what had happened and I'm really not

sure at the time what possessed me, but I managed to go back into the woods. And I started to walk around in the area where we'd been. And I think I was afraid that this thing would come after me. And I remember very distinctly saying, I'm really sorry that I hit you, but you made my friend crying, you made her pee herself. And all of a sudden, this creature was there again. And And somehow we ended up sitting in front of each other. And I very distinctly remember sitting cross-legged and this thing mimicking me in sitting cross-legged. And both of us just looking each other over. And I remember her reaching out her hand, which looked more mint-like and club-like

and patting me on the head and being so heavy-handed that my teeth. clicked and I could actually feel, you know, feel the weight of her hand in my neck for the impact of hitting the top of my head. And her just kind of looking me over, scrutinizing me, and the next thing I know, she sweeps me up and pins me against her side and I'm laying on the ground with her. And I remember the very distinct feeling of absolute terror, thinking in my head, I'm I am never going to see my mother again, thinking this thing's going to carry me off, and nobody's ever going to know what happened to me. You know, just all of these thoughts running through my head and just the sheer terror and the sheer panic just welling up. And for some reason, call it God, call it intuition, call it what you will.

but I remember very distinctly, a very strong thought coming into my mind saying, whatever you do, do not panic. And so I'm just laying there with this thing, and I'm pinned to its side. And I remember her kind of shuffling her feet through the leaves. And I'm doing the best that I can to kind of calm down. And I finally end up trying to get as comfortable as I possibly can in that position. and I end up putting my right hand on her chest. And that's when I noticed, I mean, I noticed a couple of things.

The first thing I noticed that it was definitely fur. Definitely reminded me of the texture of, or reminds me now of the texture of like an Irish wool pound, kind of wiry. No smell except the smell of leaves and dirt. because I've had a lot of people ask me if there was a smell, but there was no smell. She was a little oily. I don't know if that was like natural or not, but I just, I remember kind of some

oiliness. And I do remember what looked like the small rise of breasts underneath the fur. And so that's why I've called her she. And so I'm laying there and she's kind of gurgling and making, noises again, you know, not quite like before. And then all of a sudden, she drops me and she flips over and she's on all four. And there is this deep, menacing growl that just comes from like her core. And her eyes are completely large and completely black.

And then all of a sudden I hear my sister calling my name. and I remember very distinctly looking at her and saying, hey, that's my sister. And the growling stopped and she just kind of looked at me sideways. And then she started to crawl off on all fours. She's on all fours at this time crawling off in the trees. And I turn around and I'm running to my sister and I'm saying, hey, hey, you got to come see my friend. and my sister being really pissed off because my father was at home and he wanted to know where I was.

And she'd said that he'd been drinking and, you know, just, just she wasn't making any sense pretty much. But she didn't care what was in the woods. She was like, you know, I'm in trouble now because I didn't know where you were and we're going home right now. So we get home, my father assists me down. He tells me that his friend called from the hospital. because he had to bring his daughter there because she was in absolute hysterics and they thought she was having a breakdown

and that this little girl told her father everything. And so he wanted to know what happened and I didn't know what to say and I was afraid to tell him the truth. So I remember saying she just got scared and for a long time my dad just kind of sat there and just kind of watched me and he said, all right, as far as I'm concerned, you are forbidden from ever going into those woods again.

And I remember that because that was a new thing that I had learned, you know, during this whole time. I learned about Alice for the first time. And I remember learning the word forbid. And he had to explain to me what that meant. And he said, I don't, I don't ever want you going into those woods again. In fact, I don't ever want you playing in the backyard again. Just stay in the front yard, stay close to the house. and just just don't please don't ever go back there and I said okay um so I started to go

and just play on the on the front stoop and I remember one afternoon being out there and she came back um and she was kind of watching me from the corner of the house you know showing her black eye kind of like the way that she did the first time I ever saw her which was through the birch trees and she was watching me play and then she was showing like a little bit more

of herself but really just kind of having her body pressed to the house and watching and I remember standing up and looking at her and saying I'm very sorry but I can't play with you anymore and going back into the house and the only other thing that I remember

is that and I don't know if it's connected to all of us, but it probably is. There was one night that my sister was not there, and she was spending the night at a friend's house. And my mother and my father and I were standing in our living room, and there was all of this racket on top of the roof. It sounded like thumping and pounding and just things screeching and making horrible

noises. And all I remember was that the sun was going down. And my parents were truly terrified and just staring at the ceiling. And we had a dog. We had a really crazy border collie that they adopted from the pound. But this thing, this thing had like a crazy history of she'd been part of a pack of wild dogs that they caught in the mountains. And she was a tough dog. She was great with us, hated everybody else, and she was laying in the middle of the floor, just shaking. And my father, after several minutes of just, I think, debating of what he was going to do, he told my mother to pick me up, and he picked up the dog, and we all, all four of us climbed into the bed in their bedroom after my dad made sure that the door was locked and that the windows

were locked. We all got in bed and I remember just laying there listening to these horrible noises until I fell asleep. And I remember the next morning he got up and he just kind of checked everything and everything seemed okay. And as far as I know, that's all that happened there as far as dog man. the only the only other instances that I had that I can remember I mean none of this is quite as extensive as Sasquatch which if we have time

we can get into sure absolutely right with Dogman I do remember that when I was about eight years old we were in the same town different house

I hated this house too it had I mean you want to talk about paranormal. There was just something wrong with this house. I've only lived in one other place that was maybe remotely as close to it as intense as this place. My sister and I suffered night terrors for years and didn't tell each other. I mean, that's how bad it was.

We were both seeing things. We were both seeing what looked like red eyes in the corners, like the dark corners of the house at night. My father was just really adamant about trying to save energy. and like, you know, I know that you're from the north, and you know how dark it gets this time of year early. Yeah. And so he would make us just, yeah, we would just have to shut everything down,

no lights, no, no nothing. And after dinner, it would be terrifying to go upstairs at night. Like, I couldn't do it without the lights on because I would swear that there would be something up there watching me or that I would see in glimpse like red eyes from the corner. My room, it was a Dutch colonial, house in my room was connected to the attic. So there was a door that led upstairs into the attic. And I remember many times hearing something that would walk on the roof outside my window because it was

kind of hard to explain it, but there was like an enclosed porch, a roof on top of that. And then our bedroom windows were above that porch. And my sister and I would, both hear something walking on that roof, and we would both hear something walking on the top roof above the attic. But I would also hear a few times something coming in through the attic window inside the attic walking around and coming down the stairs to my room. And I would always keep the door locked and bolted and something would try the door occasionally. So I'm assuming it's what I saw because I've heard other stories of dogmen coming into people's houses, okay? And when I was about eight years old, I got up in the middle of the night to go use our bathroom.

And the window looking out faced our driveway and some wooded section of the neighborhood. And I remember looking out and seeing what at first I thought was just a German shepherd across the street. near our driveway. And I remember watching it kind of look around and then all of a sudden it just sort of zeroed in on the bathroom window and me. And then it stood up. And it stood there and the legs looked straight. I mean, the chest looked muscular.

The arms looked long. And I remember it bearing its teeth. But it was more like the way that a dog smiles. And the feeling that I got was that it knew. I was afraid and it liked the fact that I was afraid of it. And so I remember, and for a while during my childhood, I couldn't remember why. I was so traumatized by this that I actually blocked out the reason. But if I, after that, if I was going to go to the bathroom and it was dark, I would walk into the bathroom and I would feel around for the window and I would shut the curtains before I would do anything in that bathroom.

I couldn't have the curtains open. but it was because of this incident. And I'm trying to think. I actually just brief. Oh, yeah. The only other really strange thing in that house that could have been possibly related was during the summertime,

we would sleep with the screens open. And I remember there were a few times when my sister was watching me and we were home alone. And we would hear what sounded like nails being or claws. I mean, I don't really know what it was. But they would be scratching the screen.

And then we would go to the window and we would look out and we would never see anything except I do remember a few times my parents finding screens in the house that were absolutely shredded and they would have to replace, but they always blamed the cats, which was impossible. So I'm trying to

think if there was anything else connected to that house concerning what I believe I saw as dogman, but I can't think of anything else pertaining to it. And then if I was going to get into the next incident that I remember for sure, that would be after my parents had split up and my mother and I moved away from Vermont. And I went back to visit. my best friend during the summer and she had a slumber party. So she invited one of our friends from school and her cousin over.

And so it was four of us girls. And I'm not really sure what drew our attention outside. But where she lived, there was a lot of strange stuff around her house too. It was the same town that I was having sightings in. it was just the other side of town and she was close to the river and the high school

and I think her dad had about two acres of land and I remember when I was earlier in the day she was telling me that because they had chickens they used to have a chicken coop but something was getting into the chicken coop at night and killing the chickens

and so he moved the coop into the garage and he used to leave it unlocked that something was going into the garage in killing these chickens and so finally he would have to lock the chickens up at night so that's whatever it was that was killing them could not get into the garage well I think pretty soon after he made that decision

whatever it was got pretty pissed and was outside the house I'm going to say I believe it was probably about 25 or 30 yards away from the house and something was throwing rocks at the house, but it wasn't like, it wasn't large rocks.

It was almost like a spray of pebbles. And whatever this is, I had a really mean arm. And we were at least 15 or 20 feet up off the ground because they converted her attic into bedrooms. So it was, you know, up there. And it's throwing rocks at the house. And when we get a good look,

we see red eyes and they're very almond shaped which was what was kind of strange about it. But I start watching these eyes and they're periodically standing up very tall maybe I'm thinking maybe 10 feet.

And there's all this racket going on in the woods behind it but we can't see where it's coming from. But these eyes are watching the house. They're watching us and I'm watching them every once in a while sink all the way down to the ground, come all the way back up, and another spray of rocks would hit the house.

And every time a car came and was getting close, the eyes would zero in on the car, watch until the headlights got too close, and it looked as if it turned its head away, but it was really hard to make it out. So it's like the head would turn away. The car would drive by. You know, a few seconds later, the head, it looked like the head was turning around. And the eyes were looking at us again. And it would go back to throwing rocks at the house. And so all of us were afraid. And I remember after a while just kind of very instinctly, just sort of pinning myself to the wall

and trying to hide from this thing in the window and not wanting it to. to see me and everything. And this went on for a while, some parts of the night, and none of us really slept and we were all pretty scared. And it went on until her dad came home. Like he worked third shift, I think,

at like one of the factories in town. And she insisted that she was going to stay up until he got home. And once he did, she had a conversation with him, and I think she told him what happened. I'm not sure if you believed her or not. But after I had left town,

to go visit, I think my sister that was up north at college at the time. She told me that the thing came back for a few more nights and did the same thing. Now, the next disturbing connection to that incident is not too long ago, I found a picture of myself that she took from that slumber party. And if you look in the window, there's a pair of eyes watching me. and it's highly disturbing. I had it sent off and analyzed to a friend of mine that's part of the BFRO in New Mexico

and he said whatever it is, it's real, and it looks like it's some sort of canad. So that's a very, yeah, it's a very disturbing reminder of that night. And I'm trying to sing. So, honestly, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm curious, do you think that this thing is following you around, or do you think it's different ones?

Oh, I think it's different ones. I don't see how. Actually, I don't know. You know, being that it was in the same town, maybe, being that it was in the same town, I could have been just like a clan of these creatures, and there was some sort of familiarity with my family. I mean, in a way, it kind of sounds humorous because it's a small town, you know. but maybe there was. I don't know other than the creature that I saw outside my house at eight years old

was not the same creature that I encountered in my backyard. But it's been suggested to me that the creature that through the rocks, because of the description I gave as the eyes, was told by a couple of researchers that they think that that was a type 3 and that the first creature I encountered was also a type 3 dogman. So it's really, really hard to know for sure. One incident that happened that I think is interesting and still is kind of inclusive is my best friend, whose house that I talked about where I was at the slumber party, her sister's best friend got attacked by something not far from their house. there was a path that led that kind of led to the shopping plaza and she was taking it, I think, to go to work.

Actually, as far as I remember, I think she was leaving working and she was going to go spend the night at their house with my friend's older sister. And it was still daylight out. So I think this was summer. It was still pretty light out. And she said that she was on the path. And then all of a sudden there was just this man, quote unquote, that was dressed in all black that was really, really huge. And the only thing, other thing that she remembered is something hit her on the head. And she woke up on that path hours later.

And she was covered in blood from something cutting her head. And she ended up running to my best friend's house. and knocking on the door and their parents found her and they brought her to the ER and all she could could tell the doctors and the police that showed up and her parents once they showed up was that some very, very large man all dressed in black knocked her out and nothing was stolen. I mean, she wasn't assaulted in any way. She was just hit. She said that she never saw the face that she never even.

even actually saw the head of whatever it was or whoever it was because she was very short. I think she was only like four, nine. And so before she even had the chance to actually get a look at whatever this was, it had already knocked her out and just left her there cold until she woke up. So that has always been an enigma. I'm not in touch with that family right now just because we just fell out of connection from, you know, life. So I don't really know whatever came of that, but it was really, really strange that it was in the same area during the same time frame of life that that happened.

Wow. Some of those stories actually remind me of other stories that I heard from other people. So let's take a break right now and we'll get into some of those stories. When we come back from the break, we're right back, everybody. As you're telling me, some of these stories, it reminds me of some other people's stories that have been told to me. Like the last experience you just shared, you know, I was talking to a woman who, now she said that she saw, not that she saw, but that her, her boyfriend and her children were escorted out of an area here in Pennsylvania while they were fishing. And one of the things that was happening was rock throwing. So all these rocks were being thrown at them. They ran.

and she, I think she was heading up behind everybody else. And they're coming up this path to, like, where the truck was parked. And something hit her on the back of the head and knocked her clean out on the path. And she wakes up with her boyfriend and her brother helping her up trying to get her into the truck. And so, like, that's just, you know, when you just shared that with me, that's the first thing that I thought of. Like, these are, that's a similar thing. Now, she, as far as I remember, she never saw. what was throwing the rocks,

but her daughter did. Her daughter saw something playing peekaboo is what she said it was doing behind a tree from her, and her daughter is just a little girl. And so when they get home, her daughter draws what she saw.

And so what her daughter drew, you know, if you have Sasquatch on the mind, it looked like a Sasquatch. But thinking back at it, if you had Dogman on the mind, it very well could have looked like a dogman too. So it's just an interesting parallel. Yeah, it's really hard to know.

But even in just talking to other people and just doing my own research, it's like there's definitely similarities. Even between both cryptids, there's some similarities, which I think a lot of people are either in the camp of arguing that they're completely different or really just kind of accepting that they're very similar. There's just certain behaviors that are similar. But it's also, you know, as far as we know, there are animals that live in packs or groups. So that might be part of the reason why they do certain things.

And I don't know if they like to attack people because they think it's fun or if they're honestly just trying to protect something else. Like, you know, maybe it was like, okay, you're getting way too close to something young. And before you stumble upon it, they're going to take you out. I don't know. You know, it's really hard to know. I don't believe there's any experts in this field because nobody has been able to go out and live amongst these, you know, 24-7 for like a year. You know, so it's just, it's really hard just to swallow anybody saying that they're an expert because I just, until somebody does that, I think it's very hard to say that you're an expert. I think it's great when we can gather data and stories and encounters and see all the similarities and how they harmonize, you know.

But it's just hard to know. So the next incident, this one is weird. Not that they're not all weird, but this one is one of the ones that kind of has me very confused as to what exactly it was that I saw. But I was with a friend of mine. And it was high school and we skipped school. And there was, I think, four or five of us at skipped school. And we went to my best friend's house. And this incident was in Massachusetts.

I was living in Massachusetts at the time with my dad. And there was this little country store. And I don't know, we split up for a little while. and myself and this boy that I had a crush on decided to take a walk on the railroad tracks. And we're walking along the railroad tracks not very far from where everybody else is. And all of a sudden we just see this thing standing in the middle of the railroad tracks. And I'm trying, you know, I'm visual, so I always try to give like an estimated, you know, how far it was

and I'm thinking about it probably was about 50 feet from us maybe closer maybe 40 feet it was close enough definitely to see its eyes but the thing about this this creature

was it was tall it was a chocolate brown and I remember it having the weirdest shaped head it was like it was conical like some Sasquotas are described as but I remember his ears

were kind of elongated, but it had more of a muscle. And I remember very distinct black eyes and its teeth, you know, showing. So you can see the variations, like the ones that have encountered have shown their teeth for the most part. And I'm assuming its aggression to a certain degree, but this thing was showing its teeth. And it was looking at my, you know, my guy friend, and then it would just, turn and it would look at me and it was staring at both of us

with just pretty deep impressed and I remember both of us like looking at each other and just ghost white and we don't know what we're looking at but we pretty much turn and just run and

scooby-doo up the railroad platform to get away from whatever this was and then I made him stop for a minute because I wanted to see if it was following us and we could see it going down, you know, walking through the limestone down into the trees away from us. And we ended up running to the store and finding our friends and telling them what we saw. And of course, they didn't believe us. So, you know, we just, we stopped

talking about it after a while. And I think that they kind of got to the point where they're like, okay, well, you guys probably saw something. But I think, you know, Bear came up. up and there was no bearers in that area or dog, you know, and we were trying to tell them that it wasn't because it was standing upright. And the strange thing about this, and you asked me about them following me, I think it was the same week, but I was in the next town over, which, you know, was not very far, maybe 20 minutes. And I was at my grandmother's house because at that time my dad and I lived with her. And I was getting ready to go to bed and I was, you know, pulling the shades down.

And I remember just looking out to the woods behind her house. And I've always like nature anyway. And, you know, it was just a really pretty night, but it was really dark. And I just was kind of looking out for a minute. And somehow my attention was drawn to the ground right below my window. And so I'm looking at the ground and all of a sudden I see these eyes. So I think, I'm guessing something turned its head and was looking up at me. And there's these very vivid yellow eyes.

And all of a sudden it stands up and it's looking in the window paint at me. I mean, there's nothing but glass between me and it. And I remember pretty much jumping into my bed and pulling the covers over my head and then hearing something smack the house and these god awful just growls that really, for lack of regard to someone, demonic. And I'm laying there and I'm terrified and trying to tell myself that it's, on my head that is not happening. And things get quiet, but I can't sleep and I'm laying there thinking, okay, well, maybe

I really just imagined that. Maybe that really didn't happen. And then my dad comes home and his lights kind of flood over the house and he's pulling into the driveway. And as soon as that happens, this thing just screeches. And I can all of a sudden hear it moving through the trees and it sounds like, you know, sticks being snapped and stuff being thrown around like this thing is pissed off that my dad showed up and the terror just kind of washes all over me again and I remember really just being freaked out

and not wanting to go into that room for the longest time and but the thing about this and I don't know okay I'm really on the fence as to what exactly this was, first of all, I don't know if it was the same creature that I encountered on those several tracks. If it is, I don't know why. But it's been suggested to me that maybe whatever it was outside of my grandmother's house that it was more than one creature. Possibly, there was more than one creature I don't really know. But what's disturbing about the thing that was on the railroad tracks is years later in my research,

I came across these illustrations that somebody drew of a skin walker. And it looks exactly like what I saw, what my friend and I saw, except there was no headdress. So I'm still trying to wrap my head around whether that's the possibility. I've talked to people

I know some people in the Navajo community that absolutely swear up and down that Skinwalkers are real. However, this incident happened in Massachusetts, and there is a large American, Native American, you know, presence, but I don't know if this just pertains to Native America or not, but it was really weird. And just finding that picture really kind of disturbed me. It actually really still disturbs me. and part of the reason why is because my daughter, who's a high schooler, went on a school trip to Florida, and she's seen these pictures.

She's had her own encounters with things and, you know, has kind of looked into some things for herself. But she swears that she's also seeing this creature, but when she saw it, she says that it was in Florida, or not Florida, Georgia, like on the Tennessee Georgia line, that they were at a stop somewhere and that something that looked like that creature was in the bushes watching her and her classmates. So I don't know. That's one of those ones that I probably will not get any real answers on.

I mean, I probably won't get any real answers on anything, but it's also one of the ones that disturbs me the most. So I don't know for sure. you know, what that one was at all. And I really kind of even hate thinking about the possibilities of what it was. Yeah, of course. So, yeah. I had a really weird experience. I'm going to share this just because I don't know.

And maybe some of your listeners know a little bit. There's been some deliberations on whether or not Dogman can also send out infrasound the way that we think that Bigfoot possibly can, that squash fan. I had an incident happened to me as a teen, older, still living in the same area of Massachusetts. And I remember I was a total metal head in high school, and I was like obsessed with Molly Kru.

And we had these water towers near my house, and I decided that I wanted to be a vandal one day and write the lyrics to one of their songs on the side of this water tower. And it was a very kind of rural neighborhood where I was at the time. Sorry, wooded. Very pretty. You know, overlooking the ocean, and the ocean was, like, way out there at the top of this hill.

Where my house was. And so I decided that I was going to be a vandal, and I started to put these lyrics on the inside of the water tower. And all of a sudden, for some reason, I noticed that the trees are shaking and I'm hearing a growling but inside my mind the image of a werewolf pops into my mind

and all of a sudden I feel really dizzy and really sick and I remember that I made it home and I think it was a four-day weekend that I had off from school and I remember I was sick

all weekend. I could not get out of bed. I remember feeling dizzy every time I got up, excruciating headache. I don't remember if I had a fever or not. But that's like all that I remember. I was, I was out of it for four days after that happened. So I didn't actually see anything. It was just more like I had the picture of this pop into my mind and then I got sick. So I don't know if that was if I had actually been what they called zapped by a dog man or not. But my very strong assumption and guess is that that's probably what happened because it was very strange and it's something that I've been trying to compare with other folks who have been zapped.

When I described it, they said that that's what it sounds like and that apparently when it happens to you, it's like your body has to reset itself. so I don't know and I've had a few other people tell me that it would take them a few days that they would feel sick for a few days before they felt normal again

so it was a very strange occurrence okay as far as dog man I can't I can't remember anything else except stuff that happened here there are things that like I said that my children

had experienced as well and I didn't know if you want to me to include both, but I could probably just talk about, you know, the things that happened here. Because there are a few incidents, incidents of things that have happened to my kids here as well. Yeah. But as far as here, okay. So as far as here, oh, and that's actually how that happened.

Now I think about it, of my daughter actually coming to me finally and telling me that she was seeing things. my daughter, and I'm going to go ahead and start with that. Okay. When my daughter was seven, we were visiting here. We were visiting my in-laws. And where they live, they have several, you know, several acres, about seven. All of it kind of runs into, I think it's a state park, but it's just, I mean, several acres of woods, you know. and when she was about seven, she was outside playing in the front yard, which is enormous.

And she was playing in the creek bed, and to get into the driveway, you have to go over a bridge. And she's playing by a bridge, and she said that she thought her grandmother's dog was under the bridge. And so she was sitting next to it, and she reached out her hand, and she started to pet it. And then she said all of a sudden, this face turned for her. And now she remembers these yellow eyes and all these teeth and it's screaming. And her screaming and her running back into the house and her telling her grandma, which she saw. And I had been upstairs when I came down and I said, can you tell me, can you tell me what happened? And the first thing out of my mom's mouth was, oh, she just imagined it.

And I just kind of looked at her and said, okay, why don't you tell me what happened? You know, it's my daughter. And she said, well, I thought I was petting grandma's dog under the bridge, but it was something else. And she thinks now that it could have been, she thinks it's possible that it was a baby Sasquatch or possibly a dogman. I'm leaning a little bit stronger towards Dogman because there's been a lot of stuff on the property. Let me see. I think around that same time, my husband and I had gone hiking in the woods and we found this really strange print that I'd never seen before. And it was sort of triangular, like the heel that looked almost human-like, but then it sort of kind of...

flattened down and got wide and then sort of the toes were slayed. It was very strange and I was thinking, okay, maybe that's a squatch print, but it was a very odd squatch print, you know, and at that time I was kind of a closet researcher. It was something that my, that my, that my Cindy X had just a very strong problem with. You know, he thought the whole thing was nonsense and it was ridiculous and everything. And he doesn't know about some of the instances that had happened in my life and know whether he believed not. But I remember him teasing me and saying, hey, is that not to belong to one of your friends? And I said, it looks like it.

And we, when we moved here in the spring of 15, we went back there again and we found this few. beautiful track that I so, so wish I had photographed. It was absolutely beautiful. Very impressive. It looked very similar to a mountain lion. Now, there have been sightings of large cats in this part of the state. Also, we have some kind of wolf here, too, that I've actually seen in this neighborhood that I live in.

it's the type of red wolf that have made its way back into the state. But anyway, this track looks like a very large mountain lions track, and we just moved back to the side of the country from California. So it was used to seeing Mountain Lion tracks. The only difference was all cats or all cats were tracked their cloth in. So you'll never see their claws out in a track unless there's a reason for them to be out like them on the defense or offense. And this thing had these long claw marks that were also in the mud.

And, you know, in comparison to a wolf's paw, I mean, this doesn't look like a very large wolf's car. But I was sitting there thinking large cat. And I remember saying to my husband, I said, oh, this is crazy because it looks like a mountain lion, but it's not. and I was pulling out the differences. And then looking at some other supposed dogman tracks, I'm thinking that that's probably what it was possibly.

I mean, I can't be absolutely positive because I didn't see what made it, of course. But given, like, other activity around their property, I'm assuming that that could be what it is. And we would live in there when we first moved here. and I was working in a hotel and I would have to go in very early in the morning like 4.30 and morning. And one morning I came out and it was dark and I hear the loudest, most mournful howl back in those woods where there'd been an history of tract. Just very low, very sad, very long, very warm. very wolf-like and just extremely haunting

like whatever was making this noise was very lonely it was it was weird and that's the only kind of vocalizations I mean I've heard almost heard what sounds like very large people talking occasionally or something talking back there

I came out one morning to hear something saying what very loudly. It was like a very deep, deep voice saying what. And that was very strange. And that was across the street from where the howling noises were coming from.

So to speed up things a little bit because there wasn't a whole lot that happened until I'm thinking it was the winter. It was the winter of 15. The winter of 15, we had really bad

snowstorms down here in the south that, you know, everybody kind of went nuts. The city kind of shut down and everything. And I was stuck in my hotel for a week. So my kids and their dad were at Grandma's house for a week and I was stuck downtown at a hotel for a week because of how bad the weather was. And my daughter says that she was outside at Grandma's house with her younger sisters and they were playing. of a sudden she looks at the woodline and she says there's this very big creature

and I think she said it pretty much looked like like a bodybuilder but it had what looked like a wolf's head and it was just standing in the woods and it was watching her and it was watching it was watching the other two girls and she was instantly afraid but because she didn't want to draw attention, you know, and she didn't want her sisters to see it,

she very calmly said, okay, it's cold, let's go back inside. And so she told me about this later that this had happened. And I think it was the same winter. I took a picture of my daughter, my youngest daughter outside, and she wanted a snowball fight. So she made a snowball, and I took a picture of her.

and behind her is the neighbor's land and they have horses and at the edge of the wood line which connects up to her grandmother's woods I caught on camera what I'm thinking is the same individual very large standing at the woodline the only way I can describe it as a lichen I mean, it looked a lot like, like the werewolves in the underworld movies.

Just huge, muscle-bound, powerful, and just standing there watching us. So I catch a picture of this thing, and it was completely on accident. I just had gotten into the habit of any pictures that I take on their property of anything. I just have the tendency to blow it up and to see if I can catch anything after. And I did. And the only problem with this is so pixeled out, it's really hard to tell. But it's there. And it's another photograph that I had analyzed.

And, you know, my friend that looked at it said that, you know, there's definitely something there. It's just hard to tell what it is. So that happens. And also around the land, we started to see these really strange stick formations, which to me, I think, look a lot. like hieroglyph. And that's something I can send you.

So I took a picture of one of them and sticking its head out behind a tree when I snapped this picture is what looks like a dog. Not the same individual as this really, really large liking creature that we have seen, but something else that just looks like a dog peeking at me while I take the picture of this hieroglyph. stick formation. And let me see. So the following year, the following October, my daughter, oldest daughter is at her grandmother's house again. And this time she's spending the night with one of her cousins.

We have an allergy for some reason, too, talking about things that run through the family. My dad and myself and my daughter are all allergic to banana, like we'll go into anaphylactic shock. I don't know why. Yikes. But, yeah. So she ends up having this popsicle that her grandma bought popsicles, not really paying attention to her allergies. And my daughter gets a popsicle, takes a bite, swallows it and tastes banana. And she starts to freak out.

And she decides that she wants to force herself to throw up to get it out. And so she goes outside and she ends up throwing it up. And she comes back inside and her cousin's asking her what's going on. And she tells her, she said, okay, well, let's go clean it up. So they're outside at Grandma's house. And they grab the hose and they're hosing, you know, hosing the area down. And my niece looks towards the woodline. Actually, not even the woodline.

This is like a cluster of trees that's in their backyard. That's probably about 15, 20 feet from the door. door. And she says that she was looking and that there was this large werewolf creatures staring at her and my daughter. And she turned the hose on this thing, apparently. So she turns the hose on this thing, sprays it, she said in the face, and that it just bounded out of there and leaped over the fence into the horse pasture and ran into the woods. My daughter was too busy and wasn't paying attention, but her cousin told her exactly what she saw, and she didn't, she didn't say anything other than, okay, I believe you, but let me know immediately. I mean, she called me to let me know

about the banana. But then, you know, she was like, well, don't, don't worry about that. You know, I'm okay. I took some Benadryl, but you'll never guess what, you know, what so-and-so saw. And so, um, I'm thinking it was the same individual, the, the main individual that hangs around. So winter comes around again, and my daughter is periodically seeing this. And at the time, she and her brother were going to the same high school, which was probably about five miles from grandma's house. Also kind of out in the country, surrounded by farms and hills and everything else. and my son I could get my son

one night from a game that he had and he gets in the car and he's kind of quiet and I'm like okay what's the matter I was bothering you and he was like mom

I think I saw a dog man and I said okay I said how do you know and he was like well first of all I'm mad because you know I didn't believe I didn't believe your stories, and I didn't believe any of this, but I don't know what else it was.

And I said, okay, well, tell me what happened. And he says, well, we were doing laps, you know, to get ready for our meat and everything. And I'm all the way down on the other side of the football field, that feast, you know, the woods and the farm. And all of a sudden, I see, I see a car driving through the farmer's field with a, box on top of it and this thing that looks like a werewolf chasing the car. And I said, are you serious? He's like, yeah, he's like seeing something that looks like a werewolf's not bothering me as much as why was the car driving in the middle of the field.

And I just kind of laughed at him because it's like that's just what his mind got stuck on. You know, not, not I saw this creature. Why is there a car with a box on top driving in the middle of this farmer's field? So, he described it. He said it looked like it was very big and it moved so swiftly that it just kind of looked like shadow. But he was like, well, I believe you now. And then I said, yeah, I said, I told you. You know, I told you that I've been seeing this and your sister's been seeing this.

So I think that that was his incident. And my last sighting, um, my last clear setting was over a year ago now. So fall of, we're 18, so fall of 17? No, fall of 16. Fall of 16, I was leaving my in-laws to do something, and I believe it was probably evening. But I remember leaving the house going to the driveway to get into my car.

and looking at the wood line that's at the back of their property and standing there in all his majesty was the same creature that we've been seeing very large, very brown. Honestly, it's like it kind of reminds me more like a grizzly bear, I think because of height, but just the sheer mass in size of this thing's head. was incredible huge huge head I don't know how many yards I don't know

I want to say maybe 70 yards but just standing there definitely standing in plain sight you know where I could see on almost with an expression on its face of being on guard you know and kind of being stoic and just sort of like okay like you can see me

and I can see you now let's see what's going to happen and I remember very intentionally the fear the fear I felt is kind of hard to explain it was almost like reverence you know it's almost the acknowledgement of knowing this thing

if this thing wants me it can get to me super fast and it could take off with me and I would never be heard of a again. But it was weird because it was almost like it was letting me know that it was there. But it didn't do anything.

You know, it just sort of stood there and just kind of watched me walk to the car. And I just chose to kind of not pay as much attention to it as possible because I don't know. I just almost felt like that would make it worse. And so it just kind of got in a car and trouble away. And like I said, you know, there's a few photographs that have been snapped around the place that have picked up some really weird stuff and I'll send those to you. But that's my last clear sighting since I have been in Tennessee of a dog man. Now, what my kids and I are going through now, I've been in this house that I'm at since May. and two days, two or three days in, two or three days in, there was a really good windstorm.

And I don't think it's the explanation for this because it's just probably not possible. But I get up, go to work, and at that time I was going in it, like, depending on when I had to be there, I'd either be up at 3.30 in the morning or 4.30 in the morning. to get ready for work. And this was one of those mornings where I had to go in really early so it was super dark, but I remember coming out to my car and behind my house is a canal

that connects to a series of creek beds that lead into the Cumberland River. I am literally three miles from a very beautiful park that is all

river bottoms. So, and it's very wooded, very secluded, very sick woods too, but there's lots of bike trails and there's some playgrounds and that kind of stuff down there.

So anyway, when it rains, this canal behind my house starts to flow in all the water pretty much is going into the river. So three mornings in, I'm going to work,

And in that canal, it was dry at the time in the trees. I think I see eye shine. And I'm not sure what it is, but, you know, I'm not going to really, really concentrate on it too much because I have to go to work. Now, when I come home, I come home to these massive, high up tree breaks and twists. I mean, these things were, these, these valves were thick. They were probably a good 20 inches in Diana. And it's the Viva tree, and there's two of them that are twisted and broken, and the branches are laying on top of my house.

And I go into my house, and I ask the kids if they've heard anything. And this is over my son's room, actually. Whatever this is, it just landed on the roof or was put on the roof over my son's room. And he said, he was like, no, I didn't hear anything. Nobody heard anything. And there's no way that you could not have heard something. I mean, it's very mysterious that they didn't,

but they didn't even know that it had happened. And so I had to call my landlord, and he had to have some, my crew come out and because of the sheer size of these limbs, you know, cut everything down safely. So that happens. Then I think about a month later, my car my car was broken down and it was it was a rough summer my first you know summer going through all

of this stuff you know in my personal life and with my family um on top of it my car breaks down so I have a co-worker of mine coming to pick me up at about four in the morning and I go outside to wait and there's this raccoon rummaging around in my trash no I don't like raccoon And I know that that probably sounds silly considering the subject matter that we're talking about, but I'm actually afraid of raccoons. Okay. I just, they're mean little vicious creatures. And, you know, up north, they, they've been known to carry rabies. So it was really, I'm really leery of raccoons.

So back to that house and this raccoon comes onto my porch and is mean mugging me through the window and everything and I'm not going outside until I know it's gone. and I have the kitchen window open and I hear this crack and this boom and this boom and something crash and so I look at the window and I see the raccoon is high tailing it into the trees and it's but it's really too dark to tell what's going on so I go back outside and I'm texting my co-worker because he'd never been to my house at the time to pick you know to pick me up and he wasn't sure he was going. And I'm sitting on the porch and all of a sudden I see this car slow down at the end of my driveway and I'm like, oh, okay, well, that must be Kim.

And the car's just sitting there and I'm walking down the driveway and then all of a sudden I look on the street and there is this large tree limb that is laying perfectly straight across the street so that this car can't get through. So that was the noise I heard in the house. So while I was in the house, there's no wind, there was no weather, there was no nothing, it was perfectly still. Somehow this tree limb cracked and made a bunch of noise and ended up in the street blocking traffic. So I instantly, and I think I still have the video of this, I instantly record it, I take pictures, and they send it off to a, um, a friend of mine who

who has a show, which I've also been on, and who's a researcher and I was like, you're not going to believe what just happened. And, you know, so I was showing them all of this stuff, you know, and I documented what time it was, and I was like, I can't explain this, okay? A couple weeks ago, I had a massive tree break

from one tree in my yard. Now I've got a second one. And so, so, I mean, so it was insane. So that was the second tree break. Now, while we're here, so I'm starting to hear things like, you know,

footsteps on my roof. One morning when I was getting a ride from a coworker, I came out and I heard what sounded, the way I can describe it is like a chuff. So it was kind of like a noise. And it was coming from the dark side of my house. and I heard something very large walking away and making its way back into the trees behind my house

obviously didn't see it, don't know what it was but I come home later that day and I start to tell my kids and my son who's the oldest said oh yeah I've been hearing stuff in the back of the house and I was like, what? He was like, yeah, there's something that growls at me at night. And I was like, why didn't you say anything to me?

He was like, well, because I wasn't sure. And so he just, he was describing the noise as, you know, very low, but so low that it almost felt like a vibration. Like he could feel the noise and hear it at the same time. And he said, you know, whatever it is, I don't think it's making that noise to scare me. I think it's letting me know that it's there. and I said, okay. I said, you know, that's a possibility. And I said, but if it does it again, you know, can you let me know?

And he was like, yeah, yeah, most definitely. He said, sometimes he said, like, there was a period of time where it was nightly that he was hearing it. And I don't think he's hearing things. Actually, the last time he mentioned it was about a month ago. He mentioned hearing something outside. So, fast forwarding a little bit, a little later into the, summer. It's a really hot day and my AEC was broken for a while. I've got I've got the doors open. My kids are watching TV. It's about five in the afternoon. Traffic is starting to pick up

on my street from everybody going home. And I go outside to make sure that my car is locked up for the night. And in between the first break, the first tree that was broken and the second tree that was broken is this other little tree. And as I'm walking towards my car, I noticed a third tree break. And I just stop. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. And take my phone out, take pictures. And I remember very distinctly, I was saying in my yard,

can you guys please stop breaking my trees because I'm going to get in trouble with my landlord? You know, because there's just no way to explain it. you know, it's like it definitely makes me and my kids look guilty like we're walking around breaking his trees somehow, you know? So I haven't had one since then, which is kind of amazing to tell you the truth, but I very, just distinctly very loudly said, please stop breaking my trees. But I documented that one as well. It's on, a lot of this is on my group's on Facebook page, but I documented that as well because I just couldn't believe it. And I went in and I told the kids and they came out and looked

and they were all talking about how come we didn't hear anything and I was like, I don't know, and look what time it is and we've got cars moving up and down the street and here we go with another tree break. So that was kind of crazy. But later on in the year,

or not the year, but just in the months that I've been here, I discovered some really strange stuff. Like more and more I was starting to see some footprints in a particular spot in the yard. Lately, I have not seen it, and I don't know if it's just because it's winter

and there's less coverage. But I would come out in the morning, and I would find footprints in certain spots. I would also start to find rocks. I have these weird, interesting rocks that were just being left on the spot near these footprints. Hairs on my car, really, really strange hairs, that I was trying to collect

so I could get them analyzed, and they were just so thin and delicate that I couldn't collect them. And just the continuance of something walking around on the roof, strange growling noises

outside, strange smells, really weird phantom smells at times. Everything from like smelling flowers to smelling something that would just smell sickly sweet. And I don't know if you're familiar

with Simon Young. He's the Yowie researcher in Australia, but I've talked to him a little bit about some of these smells, and when I've described to him the sickly sweet smell, he said that he thinks that that's the breath of Sasquatch, like that's their breasts, and that they're really close by, but they're hiding and you can't see them. So, I mean, I don't know, because like I said, I haven't had a sighting to know what I'm dealing with, but I've had all kinds of different shapes of footprints. I've had things that look like Sasquatch.

And I've always kind of highlighted this stuff, sent the pictures off to other researchers and been like, what do you think? You know, do you know what this is? Have you seen this? And I've had people tell me Sasquatch and Dog Man.

So it's really hard to know for sure what I've got going around the house. But my children have all heard thuds. Some of them have been so loud that they've working us up at night. And in fact, and I'll send,

I'll send this to you too. There was one day, when was it? I'm going to, I want to say September or October. I found, I was starting to find some hieroglyphs in my yard, so some weird stick formations. And I'm filming, and I'm filming in the direction of where this canal is in my backyard. That was all covered by foliage and stuff.

And the camera picks up something that I still can't explain, I still don't know what it is, but I'll send you a picture. Honestly, and we talked about this earlier before we started recording how I was giving you an example about feeling skeptical if I'd seen like, you know, about alien graze or something because I'd never seen one of those. So I'm kind of on the fence. But there is something in the canal, and I don't know what it is. I had somebody tell me they decided it was a baby Sasquatch, but it's very strange looking and it had a bulbous head and just this. just really weird skinny little body. And you can see it moving on the video.

And again, it was another thing that I had analyzed and was told that whatever it is, it's definitely organic and it's real. So I'll have to pass that along to you too because I don't know what that is, but it's just some of the really weird stuff that I've been dealing with living here. Wow.

So that's all the dogman stuff. Now, Bigfoot, I don't know how much time you have because that's more extensive and that's up to you. But there's a lot on that too. Really? And we can, yeah, and we can always do this a second time if you really want to because there's a lot more. That was just dog man. There's just a lot more stuff concerning Sasquatch. But, and actually, I'm going to send you another picture because there is, there is a really, it was a very impressive breaks that I found, but I want to show this to you because I want to see if you can actually see him.

So I took a picture of this, I mean, it was a huge tree, huge tree. And I don't know how these guys do it. I mean, I guess it depends on size and strengths and whatever. but I'm guessing this tree could have been very easily about 50 maybe 50 inches in diameter and it was on the other side of town near where my in-laws live and it was right along the highway you know and I'd wanted to stop for the longest time I photographed it because I was just so impressed with it but I mean it's high speed everybody's doing like 80 but one day I finally managed to stop and I take a picture of it. And when I'm looking at the picture later, there's a very distinct face that you can see. And it's beautiful, honestly. Very impressive. Some very big fellow is watching me take a picture and his face is, the texture and color of his face is kind of like a very deep, dark gray,

but it's very human-like. And there's an orb right next to his head, kind of pointing him out. So I have to send that to you because I am pretty sure that's a squash, but it's, it's a nice pitcher that I caught accidentally. Yeah. So that's, that's what I got on Dog Man, you know, and like I said, I've been, I've been researching this on my own as well, mostly for closure. and like I had said when I first I was so terrified to talk about this stuff for so long and when I when I first did my mind was so focused on what happened in early childhood that I really feel like I kind of relived the trauma of that experience of dealing with the one the recurrence of this blonde female one that would you know come to my house and everything that was really really tough to talk about. That was very hard to talk about. In fact, at first I didn't even, I didn't tell Vic everything because I was scared he'd think I was crazy. And I think for a while I felt like I was, you know.

I've heard some similar stories, but at the same time, I'm so busy. I can't, I can't like listen to all the interviews and all the stories that are out there. but I'm so curious to know what other people's experiences are just to kind of, you know, compare them because I know mine was different and it really, it really was. But at the same time, I was so tired of living with it and not getting it out there because this, it's a very lonely thing, this subject matter is a very lonely thing to live with if you don't feel like you can talk about it. it, you know, but that's, that's what I got for you. That's fine. I guess, you know, kind of wrapping it up here, then, you know, what are your thoughts on what dogman is?

I mean, you've done so much looking into it. So, I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Okay. I think, I think the best way for me to answer that is it really depends on what your worldview is, okay? my my worldview is biblical but I'm very liberal about it meaning that there are very few things that I'm absolutely conservative about and everything else I'm extremely liberal about as a person but if if the biblical accounts are true about the fall and if fallen angels are true about the fall and if fallen angels, really did in fact have sex with human women and created, they created supposedly in Genesis sexes that they created men of renown and men of legends. So we're talking about some of these

really old stories, you know, that you also hear in other cultures like Greek mythology of like, you know, half God, half human people. But in one of the books that was left out of the canon, which is the book of Enoch, which is extremely fascinating. They say that the offspring of the union of fallen angels and human women, some of those children went and had sex with animals. Okay. And if there's any truth to that, then you obviously have the offspring of that union.

So almost like Satan's War on all of humanity and the earth was just a way of just polluting the June pool. But at the same time, you also have all of these other cultures that talk about half-man, half-animal beings. I mean, from Native America to Transylvania to China, I mean, everywhere, you know, from half-dragon, half-human, you know, half-fish, half-woman, to half-man, half-wolf. And so if you've got all of these cultures that, you know, you're not. at some point in time in history, had no knowledge of one another, and we're completely isolated.

But they're telling the same stories. There has to be some kind of truth to it. And so, and that was just kind of the fascinating thing. I don't know what they are. I'm on the fence about whether it's something that's evil or not. And the reason I say that is because, you know, with my own experience, I know that, especially as a young, vulnerable child, it very easily could have been killed. I very easily could have been carried off. I mean, that could have happened very easily for whatever reason she didn't.

But I also think that I was dealing with a juvenile myself because she was. In size comparison to having young kids and to how big I think she was in comparison to me, I don't think that creature was any more than maybe 5-2, 5-3. So I'm thinking I was dealing with a juvenile. And for whatever reason, she was either curious about me or viewed me as a pet or was completely entertained or she really viewed me as some kind of playmate. I don't know. But I do think that they, you know, like any strange or wild creature,

they could be extremely dangerous and not to be tampered with. I don't think it's a great idea to go out, you know, and fool around with them. You know, I think if you're in their area, you have to be extremely respectful. I mean, but also trust your instincts. You know, there's some parts of the park down the street that I won't go into because it absolutely freaks me out. So I just try to trust those instincts. So I think that there is very possibly something supernatural involved. And at the same time, I think it's the result of, you know, of something very old.

that probably was not supposed to be here, but is. Yeah. If that explains anything, I just, I don't know. Sure, absolutely. I mean... Again, yeah. You mean, again, until we have an expert, until we have like a Jane Goodall of the dogman world

that can go out and live with them for a year, you know, and document all this stuff. We're just never going to know, for sure, you know? Yeah, and you bring up the whole, the Nethulam angle, And, you know, like that, that's something that obviously, well, maybe I shouldn't say obviously, but I've definitely thought about. And I say obviously because anybody who's listened to all my shows, like I've done two Nephilim shows this past year, I've a firm believer in the existence of the Nephilim, at least in our history of mankind. Yes. Now, if they're in existence today, I've had people tell me off the record some things.

things that I'm just not at liberty to talk about right now, but there are people out there that say that they still see these things as far as humanoid giants. Now, when it comes to the whole beast's aspect of things with Nephilim, I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you because if the whole idea is to destroy God's creation, then that would entail more than just destroying the gene pool of man. It would also entail, you know, taking care of all the beasts and plants of the land. And so, yeah, the book of Enoch, I got it here at home. You know, I look through it and stuff like that, too. I've read through it. But yeah, I'm absolutely on board there with you when it comes to that. Right, which, you know, kind of ties back into why I look at bloodlines as a

possible connection to why people see these things because my theory is that, you know, it also affected, it affected us too. You know what I'm saying? If, if all of that's true with the Nephilim, if it's even true with the union between fallen angels and human women creating these men, these giants that you're talking about, it's very possible that some of those men are still, you know, reproducing with women. And it's also very possible that it's in some of our bloodlines. That's what I'm thinking is a theory. I mean, obviously I can't prove it.

And I'm sure that would be considered very controversial. However, if that is the case, then I think that that might be part of the reason why people are seeing these things, because there could be something in them that views some of us and goes, oh, we're, you know, we're like cousins or something. You know what I'm saying? So without, without us knowing why, I think that that's a possibility. I think the only other possibility, oh, I think there's a few possibilities.

I mean, I think that's one. I think them just being curious about us is another or just really enjoying scaring the crap out of us. I'm sure it's funny to them, you know. You know, I think that that could be a possibility too. or just there there's an evil reason behind it, you know, in a lot of cases. And maybe in some cases it's not. It's just, it's just not one of the subjects or, you know, things that, you know, that we have an easy answer to as far as I'm concerned. No, absolutely.

And, you know, I hear people talk about the dog man encounters. I hear about people talking about the Bigfoot encounters. and there are such similarities there that it would make sense. When you look at all the similarities between the two different cryptids, that if you told me they had a similar or the same origin, I would like, well, that makes sense then, you know, because there are so many similarities, not just with their massive size and how they maneuver,

but just the way they act. I mean, I've heard people tell me, similar things. I actually I had one guy share with me that he was actually I don't want to say

he was raped but he was sexually assaulted by a juvenile Sasquatch when he was a kid and he told me that and so like what do you make of that? These things are

clearly interacting with people in a peculiar way you know and when you hear I think it's possible Absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah, I do. And part of the reason why, actually a friend of mine, she sent me this picture, and I wish I could disclose it, but I don't have her permission. But she said that she has juvenile saskatch on her ranch, and they're coming up at night, and they are raping her mares. And they caught one of these individuals face on one of their security cameras. and she sent me the picture. Wow. But she asked me not to disclose it because she wanted some more research done before she does that. But yeah, it's terrifying.

I mean, but if you think about it, it's almost like a ripple effect, you know, it's like, you know, it started with one thing and it's just continuing. But it just sort of makes sense if you think about sort of asking, you know, why in a sense, it's like, look at the origins if those are the origins. it started with rape. You know, like, that's a huge war tactic if you think about it. You know, like one thing that I had learned recently that I didn't know was after World War II, when, you know, the Allied forces went into Germany. The Russians raped a lot of German women as an act of war against them. And it was something I didn't know, like I said, that I didn't.

know until recently. There were many, many children that were actually born from that time that were half Russian and half German because these soldiers were attacking and raping German women because of the Nazis. So it's almost like it's a learned, it's an evil behavior, but it's almost like it's a learned war tactic. So if there's truth to, you know, what the Bible says and what some of these other ancient books says, it kind of makes sense that, you know, that maybe these are the products of these things, which is pretty much an act of hate of Satan's hate for God's creation. And that's the ripple effect, you know, where these offspring are probably inherently evil

and have absolute depravity and they're continuing the behavior. that's like in their blood mine, you know? Right. So, I mean, it's kind of, it's fascinating and it's horrifying at the same time. And it's definitely a subject all on its own that I'm sure we could talk, you know, for hours about. But it is something that that I'm looking into just for my own personal research, you know. And my hope is eventually I'd really like to have a database that has all of, you know, all of the dog men sightings, you know, maybe perhaps internationally, but I also want to look into the historical

aspect of those places as far as, you know, what kind of history the place has, but also if there's historical sightings that have gone on for hundreds of years, you know, like I know the U.K. has had werewolf sightings for, you know, centuries. That's not a new thing for them, and they're still having sightings. So who knows? I mean, it's really, really fascinating. fascinating stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And we'll definitely have to have you to come back on and share some of the Sasquatch stories

and continue these conversations. Yeah, that'd be great. Well, Lisa, I really appreciate being here. And until next time, take care. And if there's anything that pops up that you'd like to talk about, I would love to just hear about it. So I look forward to seeing those pictures and videos as well. Yeah, I'll try to, I probably won't do it tonight.

I will definitely, I'm off tomorrow's because I can definitely get all that stuff together for you and I'll send it off to you. Awesome. Okay. Well, you have a good night then. All right, you too. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you want to support the show, go to patreon.com backslash the confessionals. That's p-a-t-r-e-on.com backslash the confessionals. There you'll see a bunch of different rewards that you can get for supporting the show. Now, like I said in the beginning of the show,

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