The Confessionals - 613: Disneyland’s Portal Device

Episode Date: January 2, 2024

In Episode 613: Disneyland’s Portal Device, Walter Bosley discusses his book 'Latitude 33: Key to the Kingdom' and his investigation into arcane science and engineering at Disneyland. He explores the possibility of an interdimensional portal at the theme park and the influence it may have on visitors' psychic perception. Bosley shares his encounter with an elderly man named Alfred at Disneyland and the synchronicities that led him to research the park's hidden secrets. He also delves into the role of C.V. Wood, the designer of Disneyland, and his involvement with psychic research. Bosley presents various theories to explain the phenomenon, including the existence of interdimensional beings and the manipulation of telluric currents. Walter talks about the concept of interdimensional travel and the role of the human factor in making it possible. He explains how the mind acts as a portal and the importance of the human consciousness in activating this mechanism. The episode culminates with Bosley proposing intriguing questions about our perception of reality and the untapped potential of the human mind in understanding and accessing other dimensions.Walter BosleyBooks: walterbosley.com/shopThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinWatch The Shape of Shadows: https://www.merkel.media/stream-nowWatch Expedition Dogman: https://bit.ly/3CE6Kg0SPONSORSGET FACTOR MEALS: factormeals.com/confessionals50GET UNCOMMON GOODS at 15% off: uncommongoods.com/tonyGET EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase! Listen to this episode for more information! Link: bit.ly/3YaMD1NGET SIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGET Hello Fresh: hellofresh.com/confessionalsfree Promo Code: "confessionalsfree" for FREE BREAKFAST FOR LIFE!!!Get Emergency Food Supplies: www.preparewiththeconfessionals.comCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIDiscord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - Lights On The MesaYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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show. He is a returning guest. When we had him on the first time, it was a fantastic conversation, but there was just not enough time to talk to him about everything. So I brought him back on to talk about his research into Disneyland and how Disneyland was specifically designed with intent to possibly open portals into other realms and universes. That's more my words than Walters, but nevertheless, there definitely is a thinning of the veil at this location. And there was a device used that possibly could have been opening portals and Walter himself might have been subject to such an occasion. So let's get to Walter and his experience and research into Disneyland's portal device right now. All right, today we have returning guest, Walter Bosley. Sir,

how are you? Doing great, Tony. It's good to be back. I'm glad you're here. So last time you were on the show, we were talking about a bunch of funky stuff. We were talking about date. David Grush and the UFO documents coming out. You still rolling your eyes about David Grush. You know, I'll tell you what, last time you were on the show, people were listening. I don't know if they were watching,

but they could hear your eyes rolling. I don't know if they were too happy about your eye rolls, but you know what? As per tradition on the show, I let the guests speak their minds. So, you know, whether people like it or not. It's just it is what it is. But here's the thing. People, people want, they, they want the excitement, you know, they, they, they like the fact that there's this whole disclosure thing.

And, you know, David Grush is this whistleblower and he's got the hot word whistleblower, you know, and they don't want to hear anybody talk down about the whistleblower, you know. That's why Edward Snowden's still popular because he's the whistleblower man. So, yeah. He's way more of the real thing. I was testing you there. I was testing you there. I figured, let me throw out Edward Snowden. And if he says that, you know, Snowden's a fraud too, then the people who were saying you were an inside agent were correct. No, Edward Snowden's the very real thing. And for that matter, really wouldn't to, you know, isn't Gary McKinnon also. Yeah. Do I have his first name right? You know, yeah. Look at what he's got in trouble for. you know, revealing. And those guys are real whistleblowers. Snowden definitely the real deal.

But yeah, but here's the thing. I admit, you know, when I express opinions and stuff, I like to say, I could be wrong. I mean, you know, if Grush turns out to deliver and be the real thing, then, hey, I was wrong. And my view is there's certain things that it would be cool to be wrong about, right? Yeah. It'd be great if disclosure. was really going to happen. I mean, I want to know as much as anybody. So, you know, I like to admit I could be wrong about something. Yeah. I mean, hey, that's the way I am too. I always say, you know, listen, I'm not the smartest guy in the room. I never have been. I never will be. So when I say something, if I'm wrong, it shouldn't be a shocker. Like, you know, like, I'm just a guy in the room

that's not scared to say what I think out loud. You know, everybody else's like, oh, what if I'm wrong? I'm like, I expect that I'm wrong. So, like, that's why I say what I'm. want to say. So it's just like, whatever, you know. But listen, last time you were on the show, we did a lot of conversating. We even did an overtime. And I'm drawing a blank as to what we actually talked about in the overtime. But I remember on the list of things I wanted to talk to you about last time was Disneyland. And your investigation into Disneyland, and it's accompanied by a book. And we just never got around to it. And I figured, why not do a whole episode on this? because there's probably, hey, listen, if somebody writes a book about something, there's probably

enough to fill a podcast episode about it. Sure. But the book is called Latitude 33, Key to the Kingdom. Before we kind of start diving into it, just tell people where they can get it. And the link will be in the description of the episode as well. I believe it's one of the books we've got up at Walter Bosley.com. I still print and distribute through lulu.com, L-U-L-U-U-D-com. So, you know, if there's something that's not quite up at Walter Bosley.com, you can get it at lulu.com.

Perfect. Sounds good. Links will be in the description below because I really, really expect people to be interested in this book after they hear about it today. Oh, let me elaborate. It's walterbosley.com slash shop. It'll take. you right to the page where the books are. Walter Bosley.com slash shop. Awesome. Walter Bosley.com slash shop. Easy to remember. So I was reading in the description of this book.

And literally in the second sentence is enough to captivate me. I'm just going to read the first two sentences. And it says, An Investigation into Arcane Science and Engineering at the world's most famous theme park. Here's the hit. Here is the punchline. Was there an interdimensional portal? that influenced psychic perception of visitors and allowed beings to enter across time and space.

Listen, like I told you before, all you had to do is whisper in my ear, portal, and we're doing an episode on it. And so I've been really interested in this whole thing that you had talked, and I've heard you talk about it before. And so I wanted to definitely introduce this topic to the audience. Now, if you could, maybe let's just start off with how did this book even come to it into existence, like the idea of the book? Well, that's an interesting story. I'd like to say that, you know, just because I may roll my eyes and doubt certain claimants of extraordinary things, by no means does that mean I question extraordinary things because I've experienced them myself. just as I think UFOs, some UFOs are from other worlds, and we certainly have been visited from those other planets and worlds. I also, I hate to use the word believe. I also think that all manner of strange phenomena and woo and stuff is very real because I've experienced

it like millions of other people, you know, have. And this particular story is really interesting, It was the first nonfiction book that I wrote. I was a fiction writer and I wrote scripts and I tried my hand at nonfiction because I felt really compelled to tell this story. And how it began, I was kind of an unofficial co-host for my friend Greg Bishop on his old show. Well, he still does it, I think. Radio Mysterio. And one night back in 2006, we were talking about stuff about Disneyland, and we pulled it up online, and we saw that the latitude, longitude, had it at 33 degrees north latitude.

And we knew that that was in that mystery zone around the planet, right, where there's all sorts of other interesting things. And we thought, wow, that's, that, that is kind of interesting. And what had led to the conversation was I had had this weird experience at Disneyland in 1981. And I'd gone there with some friends now, folks, back in the old days, 42 years ago, you could go to Disneyland, like in February, and if you went on a Wednesday night, there was no crowd. You know, by sundown, all the families and the kids that, you know, it's the middle of a school week, you know, the place just wasn't crowded. It was a different experience.

So we would go during the week, and I was there with some high school friends, and we were on the carousel, myself and a couple of friends. And as we went around, I noticed this old man, white hair, white, white, black, beard. He was wearing a black suit, no tie, white shirt. But he was just standing there watching the carousel go around. And something just, I just noticed him and, you know, would look at him every time I went around. And then finally, we went around one time and he wasn't there. And I thought, huh, that's kind of interesting. He just stood out to me. So we get off the carousel and we go walking back for those who don't know the geography of Disneyland when you go between the dumbo

ride and Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, you go back into the park where the teacups are towards the Matterhorn. And at that time, there was a bench sitting like under the monorail track near the Matterhorn. And this old man was sitting there by himself. And I was, like I said, I was with two friends. I felt compelled to approach the man and asked him, you know, if he's having a good time. And we got to chatting. And he said that he had, you know, never been here before to Disneyland. And he was down to, I think, like two tickets.

This was around 9.30 in the evening. And, you know, he, he, he, he, wanted to go ride, it's a small world. So we went and rode small world with him. And this guy, his eyes were just like everything. This was the most amazing place he had ever seen. And I had him, I placed him around like 70 years old. And he, in our chatting, he told me his name was Alfred. And we go, we ride, it's a small world. And then after we get off, in those days, you could buy an optional ticket. You could get the ticket books, which was what he had with a limited number of tickets in it. And I had my friends and I had the passport, the unlimited passport. So, you know,

I'm a Southern California kid. I've grown up going to Disneyland. I go all the time. I decided to give this old man my unlimited passport ticket because there was still an hour and a half before the park closed and he could ride whatever he wanted as often as he wanted. So I pinned it with this Donald Duck pin onto his lapel. Okay. And I said, hey, with this, you can go on whatever rides you wanted to go on that you didn't have tickets for as many times as you want. You would have thought I had given him a pot of gold. This guy was really grateful. He was just, oh my gosh, thank you, thank you. That is so nice. And off he went back into Fantasyland and, you know, went in there until, you know, we couldn't see him. He just kind of

disappeared into the buildings and stuff like that, not literally disappeared. Sometimes I say that. and people don't get that it's figuratively. So, you know, I'm a high school kid, high school senior, and we go off the rest of the night. My friends say, oh, that was a nice thing you did. And, you know, I felt all warm and fuzzy. But it was just, I went away and I never forgot the guy. And over the years, you know, I just never forgot this old man named Alfred, who I had this strange encounter with at Disneyland. Well, in 1992, 11 years later, I'm working for the FBI.

I'm in Manhattan, working on a counterintelligence squad and at an undercover site. It's not a site anymore, but back in the Cold War it was. And there was a bookstore within walking distance of where this site was that I worked. And those who are familiar with Manhattan, it was the Coliseum Bookstore. I don't know if it's still there, but it's up in. near Columbus Circle. And I would go there, you know, during my lunchtimes a few days a week. And I'm in there in 1992, which this is significant. And I'm looking at the books on the kind of stuff we like, right? And I find this book, The Old Straight Track. And it's about these things

called Laylines, which I was vaguely familiar with at the time, because back in the 80s, some gentlemen had done a little research and analysis. And they had put together this hypothesis and this map that showed that at the intersections of what they were calling laylines also, there were a lot of reports of UFOs and other paranormal activity, mostly at the intersections of these. And that's my familiarity with laylines at that time. So here's this book written in 1928 all about layline research, early 20, century of layline research.

And I'm looking at this thing. And I noticed the author's name is Alfred Watkins. I go, oh, okay. So I turned the book over, open it up, or whatever. There's a photo of this guy. And I kid you not, I'm getting goosebumps now. It's silly, I know. But in the photo was the man I met at Disneyland.

I mean, it hit me. I was stunned. I'm like, wait a minute, that. That's the Alfred I met at Disneyland. So I'm looking in there, and I find out, it couldn't have been because he died in 1935. And it was just unmistakable. I couldn't reconcile. Okay, what the heck's going on here?

You know, and then over the years between then and 2006, you know, I studied and learned more and was learning more about time phenomena and getting even deeper into, you know, trying to understand time travel phenomenon. dominants such. And I go into 2006 this conversation with Greg Bishop on his show, and I tell this story. And we find that Disneyland is on the 33rd degree latitude. And we're thinking, oh, what exactly's going on here? And I decided, okay, I need to look into this. So I started looking into it in 2006, and I started finding things that really blew me away and convinced me even more that that Alfred I met was or had something to do with Alfred Watkins himself, and just all sorts of

synchronicities, not the least of which was, I remember, I said the year 1992 would prove important. Well, what I found out was the man who engineered and designed physical Disneyland was a man named C.V. Wood, Cornelius Wood. And he died in 1992, the very year that I learn about this Alfred Watkins book. And that, my friends, is a synchronicity as they happen in the practical world. And anyway, with that, I, you know, I learned that C.V. Wood had work for S.R.I. Stanford Research Institute, the think tank that's involved with all manner of weirdness. And then from there, I realized, wait a minute, this guy designed Disneyland? What the heck? And from there, I just dove in and had to pull all those threads. And that's the beginning of how Latitude 33 came about.

That's wow. So CV. Wood designing Disneyland and being involved in SRI, what kind of things is C.V. Wood, like, what kind of things is he involved in that you maybe learned about from SRI that might lay over to Disneyland, you know? Like, it's not just a coincidence. It's what you're trying to say. Right. C.V. Wood, when you look into him, you find out he's a man who is very, much interested and involved with psychic research. He was an associate, a friend of a guy named Peter Hercos, who in the late 50s and early 60s was a popular psychic, particularly with media folks. I believe Peter Hercos, H-U-R-K-O-S, even appears in the film The Boston Strangler.

I think he was involved with the investigation of that case, but Wood was also a founding member of what was called the Mind Sciences Foundation with a guy named Tom Swift. Now, if you look up Tom Swift, you find out that he was a wealthy philanthropist who had a personal quest to find the Yeti, the Abominable Snowman. and Swift was also very much into psychic phenomena. And he and Wood, I don't call of Hercos was, but Wood and Swift were two of the co-founders of the Mind Science Foundation. So you have this guy, C.V. Wood, who's into all this psychic and consciousness phenomena. And he's also an engineer, and he's also working for this,

soon to be legendary firm, think tank firm, SRI, Stanford Research Institute. So in the early mid-50s, when the Disney brothers were really serious about building Disneyland, and they wanted to pick just the right location, they went to SRI, and SRI assigned CV-Wood to help them do analysis of different potential sites and determine which would be the best. C.V. Wood is the guy who found the Anaheim location, the present Anaheim location of Disneyland. And he really pushed that. Now, they did, the Disney's did select that site. Now, here's what's interesting about that. Consider what I just said he was into, all sorts of psychic and consciousness phenomenon. Consider that he's an engineer, okay? And consider what's called Tulloric Current, an extreme low,

frequency energy that runs through the earth. It's a real thing. You can Google it. It's something that the railroads got involved with because the railroads owned the telegraphy companies, you know, the little Morse code telegraphers stations. And those guys learned that this natural energy running through the terrain could augment the function of their telegraphy systems. Now, in subsequent decades, early 20th century, the early radio technicians also learned that TILURC current could boost their signal and boost their function. And so a lot of radio towers are placed along where you can find TILR current. If you understand geomorphology and reading, you know, all the terrain and stuff, you can

identify where these TILR currents are. In fact, I believe one of the major railroads put out a map. I think it was a railroad or an oil company, did a map of Tulleric currents that, you know, they helped form the terrain when a planet is forming. And then once the surface solidifies, the Tulleric current just continues to flow along that terrain that it helped form in the volcanic era of that planet's formation. So this is the kind of thing that a guy like C.V. Wood would have been aware of Tulleric current. Now, I had some geomorphological analysis done by a gentleman named Seshiree, who is an independent researcher, who's spent, you know, almost a lifetime looking at these things. And he has a, you know, a skill where he's pretty good at reading the terrain and looking at topographical maps and considering all the elements. And he can identify, and he does this form, he does these maps identifying where the Tulleric current is. And he identified early in my research, after I found out about C.V. Wood, he identified that there is an intersection of three major, what he calls the curvy linear, Tulloric Current streams. They run through the property

where Disneyland is at, and they intersect at one point. And here's what's interesting. He found this intersection under the ground right under where the carousel used to. to sit. So in 55, when they built Disneyland, they built it in this spot where Cessori has identified this Telert current intersection. And he and I both argue that C.V. Wood certainly knew it was there. And that's probably why, in our opinion, he pushed for the Disney Brothers to build on the Anaheim site. Now, Disneyland, and I'll get into this a little later, but Disneyland's built into a bowl And that has to do with the functionality of what I and Sessori think that C.V. Wood actually built for Disney. But when he told me that the intersections under the carousel, where the carousel used to sit,

that's where the carousel was sitting that night in 81 that I was writing it and encountered the mysterious gentleman, Alfred. Now, why is that significant? because I think that Disneyland is a is a psychotronic device. The park was built to be a psychotronic device. The key functioning mechanism was the carousel. Why do I say was because in 1983, 82, when they redesigned Fantasyland, they moved the carousel from its original position. I think they disengaged the device when they did that.

At the time, the carousel, if you put a rotating, spinning object above a place where there's this Tulleric energy, the idea, the hypothesis now, okay, remember, this is a hypothesis, is that it draws the energy up from the place. Now, in this instance, it would be an intersection of three lines, so it's three times as powerful. So you put that rotating spinning device right over that intersection, you're drawing that energy up, And then because of the nature of it, it's a carousel. Okay, it's kind of wide and flat. Not only does it draw it up, but then the spin disperses that energy around throughout the park.

Now, the park being built into a bowl. If you look at Disneyland, physical Disneyland is a bowl. Okay, when you walk in, you're at ground level. As you go into Disneyland, you may not know it, but you're gradually going lower and lower and lower. Okay. And what that does, theoretically, is the carousel draws the energy up, it distributes it through the park. But because it's in a bowl, that energy goes to the rim of the bowl, the berm, goes up and comes back down. So it self-contains.

So that's the idea is that the carousel is the part that makes it work, spreads the energy, but the energy fills the park, but then stays in the park. bringing kind of new meaning to the most magical place on earth, right, of the magic kingdom. And what this does, hypothetically, psychotronically, is it lends to the experience of being there. Disneyland used to be, not so much anymore, used to be the kind of place, you know, where you lose track of time. You forget that Anaheim, California is right outside the fence. You literally are in this other world.

And I argue that that's a byproduct of that energy that was being dispersed. That's what I think CV would engineered and designed for the Disney's. Now, let me ask you, I mean, it begs the question, how much did the Disney's know about this whole functionality? that we're theorizing about. I mean, they, they go to SRI, SRI assigned CV Wood to the project. Theoretically speaking, you're putting back then probably, today would be billions, back then millions of dollars into this theme park. You would want to, as the person building it, you would want to know all the different details. Why did you choose this location?

You know, because there's symbology and all that stuff. Did they know, do you think, that this device was some kind of portal device, this carousel? A device? Yeah. I do not think so. And this is where some people out there get frustrated with me because in my research, now remember, I used to be a federal investigator. Okay. I know how to research things and how to investigate things, okay?

I found nothing about C.V. Wood that linked him or associated him or characterized him as somebody who was into any kind of dark mind control. He was the kind of man that I firmly am convinced that if I'm right, that if he did do this, he was truly doing it to enhance the experience of being in the park. it was he was into these things, psychic phenomena, and I think it was it was something that he wanted to try. Gee, you know, let's try this. But there was nothing sinister about the man or anything I could find that would have made this a creepy mind control thing. And then there's the issue of Walt Disney himself. Okay. I can't tell you how many times it doesn't matter some people. It doesn't matter.

You tell them. that you did a dive on this, you looked at it, and you didn't find anything to back up the popular stuff that Walt Disney was some type of Masonic Templar, hell bent on controlling children in some evil way. That is ridiculous and it's stupid and it does not match the facts. Walt Disney was in D. Malay, which is a youth organization, yes, sponsored by Freemasonry. I never found any record. I even checked with a couple of Masonic, wow, I can't think of the state level Masonic offices.

And for disclosure's sake, I used to be a Mason. I made it to third degree Masonry in 1993 or 92. And I haven't been involved since then because I went into the Air Force. And I was going around the country, going around the world, and I just never got involved with a lodge again. So, you know, my point is, I know how to ask a Masonic lodge, okay, in the state level office, how to look up something. And because of that, I was able to, you know, confirm as far as I could that Walt Disney was never a Mason. Now, I don't think Walt knew what C.V. Wood was doing with his park. The reason C.V. Wood got fired was because he started doing interviews in which he let people refer to him, and he referred to himself as the man who built Disneyland.

And Walt didn't like that. Considering Disneyland is in the name Walt Disney, you know, there's got to be a little bit of an ego, right? Yes. And in all fairness to Walt Disney, he had his artists extensively designed, you know, what he wanted in the park. So I think CV just let his enthusiasm and his ego get out of hand. So he got fired by Walt for that. Now, there is a guy, and I talk about this in the book, who was friends with Walt Disney. And that was Walter Knott, the founder of Knott's Berry Farm. With Hello Fresh, it's always a delight.

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Walter Knott was into this spooky stuff, scary stories, the paranormal. Walter Knott, he built Calico Ghost Town, which is out here in California, and it's owned, it's affiliated with Knott's Berry Farm Still, and it's a state park as well. But what a lot of people don't know, I didn't know until I wrote the book, but the buildings, most of the old buildings at Calicoe Ghost Town, were not the ones in Calico's Silver Mining Old West Days. No, Walter Knott bought the standing buildings, except the Birdcage Theater. he bought most of the standing buildings in tombstone that were there back when he was building Calico Ghost Town,

but it had been there during the famous gunfight at the OK Corral. And he had them disassembled and numbered and then reassembled at Calico Ghost Town for his old West Town and Calico Ghost Town. So think of the ghosts that came with those buildings. And there are stories of paranormal things going on at Old Calico Ghost Town. But Walter Knott was really into this, and he and Disney were pretty good friends. They got along real well and hung out, and I think played polo together, I think. But I never found anything where Walt was anything other than, you know, Walt liked to have some scotch. He liked a smoke.

He was a chain smoking scotch drinking. And he talked like a sailor sometimes. You know, he used to, he used naughty language at times, got salty, but. But Walt was not these evil conspiratorial things that people will still, they'll look at me, they'll listen and they'll go, okay, well, back to Walt Disney being an evil sinister wizard. I'm like, okay, you're just doing that now because it gets, you know, clicks and ratings and stuff. But, and I thought it was important to look at that because, my gosh, if I was finding evidence of something like this going on at Disneyland, it meant, you know, I had to ask,

shoot, are the sinister Walt stories true? And I swear I found that it was not true, that really anything mystical going on with Disneyland was engineered by this CV-Wood gentleman. Interesting. Very interesting. Have you ever come across any information with when it concerns Walt Disney on whether he actually froze his body or something like that for being able to come back another time in the future? Have you heard anything about that? Everybody's heard of that story over the years. I guess we'll just have to see, but if you go to Forest Lawn Cemetery out in Glendale, I think, there's a grave site right there, Walt Disney, and his wife is there. So, you know, you have to decide for yourself if he's really in that grave or if he's, you know, in a jar under Space

Mountain. That's the version I heard. Well, you never know. All right. So back to the park. C.V. Wood creates this park. He puts the carousel at this one place where, you know, it's a spinning object. It's circulating this energy out throughout the park and kind of revolving it back in, almost like the infinity symbol. And so C.V. Wood, you know, you know, you think is pretty non-nefarious in this whole thing, right? Yeah, I never found anything that made him any kind of sinister left-hand path, mind-control kind of guy. Okay.

He left SRI, by the way, to go work for the Disney's. He loved it, the project so much that he resigned from SRI, and he never worked for them again. So this would have been 1954. Okay. So you're saying he left his job to work for the Disney's, and the Disney's fired him because he said that he built. That's crazy.

Now, he was also the designer of other amusement parks. The only other one besides Disneyland that has turned out successful is it's the original Six Flags Park outside of Dallas, Fort Worth, I think. Okay. Yeah. So this carousel. and your interaction with Alfred Watkins, is there a possibility that, I mean, given what you know about Alfred,

I think you said he died in the 30s. 1935. 1935, that's the year my grandfather was born. And he writes this book. You see him in 82, I believe you said, right? 81. 81. in the park, like, is there a chance that, and he's staring at the carousel?

You're on the carousel, right? Yeah, so, like, is there, is there, is there a chance in your understanding your thoughts on the idea of this carousel opening a portal where literally people from other times and realms could transcend? I mean, are we talking like that's a possibility here in your mind? I am. I'm talking like it is. I talk about that in the book. In fact, I offer, I believe, four possibilities to explain Alfred. Number one, it's all just a coincidence. He's just an old guy who happens to look just like this Alfred Watkins guy. And it was all just a coincidence, number one. Number two, that it was a Tulpa. You know, the being that's created from, you know, human focus and concentration. The problem with that is I had never heard of Alfred Watkins back then. So it couldn't have been a Tulpa that I generated. Then there is the idea of a very interesting group of people that have shown up one way or another.

This boggles my mind still. They have shown up one way or another in every single one of my nonfiction lines of research that I've written books about. Even things that I think, well, they would have nothing to do with this. Sure enough, something to do with them shows up. Who are they? Well, they're called the Tuudadidinan. And they're traditionally associated with what we call the fairy lore, the fairy world. They're interdimensional.

Okay. Now, here's what's interesting is, remember I told you when I gave him my ticket, he was incredibly exceedingly thankful. Well, I learned after that, you know, when I, over the years. And, oh, and I would, I had never heard of the Tuita D Danana until the late 80s in a Jacques Valet book on UFOs. But in 1981, I'd never heard of them. Well, one of the things that the fairy world, the interdimensional's do, if you're generous, they're very grateful. They love when human beings are generous and give them, bestow upon them a gift. And I interpret my just giving him my passport ticket as, you know, I had, unbeknownst to me, this is in the interdimensional possibility. He was an interdimensional making himself appear as this Alfred Watkins guy. And I'll get to more on that in a moment. But because I had simply given him the ticket,

I had sacrificed my passport ticket, given it to him. That was some type of landmark test of character that I passed with this interdimensional, possibly to it, Dada Dnan being. And so what they do is they then give you a blessing. why would he appear as somebody I didn't know about, right? I didn't know anything in 1981 about Laylines. I didn't know anything about Alfred Watkins. But why would he appear as Alfred Watkins?

Because as Alan Bates' character says in Mothman prophecies, these beings, from their perspective, they can see just a little farther down the road. in my thinking gives me goosebumps again sorry it's a reaction i have one talking about certain things um i think the reason that it would have this interdimensional in if it's an interdimensional if it was an interdimensional attuity to nan i think the reason it it appeared as alfred wakins was because it knew 11 years later that i would see that book and i would recognize alfred So in that particular possibility, I was encountering directly the Tuudadidanaan, and they have made themselves, they have made themselves their presence known to me in subsequent years from time to time at different instances. They've let me know they're out there, even when I think, okay, it's gone, it's past, they've forgotten about it.

No, there they are. And they knew. They knew that I would, you know, see him and recognize this for, and then want to want to pull threads. So that's, that's the third possibility, as I said. There was just coincidence. And there's Tulpa, which couldn't have been a Tulpa that I generated. Then there's Tuita Dnan. Now, the fourth possibility, these are the possibilities I talk about in the book. The fourth is the literal one. And I love the idea of interacting with the two at Adidanaan. I truly do. But I also love the idea that it was just a portal and it was the real Alfred Watkins. And here's why I add that possibility. Remember, I told you, this man was looking around like this was the most amazing place he had ever seen, like he was stunned. almost like back in 1927 when he was doing the research for his 1928 book,

maybe there he was walking along the laylines. Oh, man. And he stepped 45, you know, it was more than because he died 45 years before I saw him. But you get my idea. Decades, he stepped decades ahead in time and space, found himself in Disneyland, wondering what the hell is this place? you know and here's this knucklehead who just keys in on him and and you know who is this guy and you know so that in the book I talk about that being my personal favorite possibility absolutely that was at

the time I wrote the book since then I have elevated that equally favorite is an encounter with the two of Didanaan because they once you encounter them They don't go, not completely. You see them again, so to speak. That's interesting. They certainly have continually popped up in my path of research in my life. So those are the four possibilities to explain Alfred. Well, listen, as much as I like the two Adidina and Ann,

Okay, let's pause for a second and just really take in the fact that I said that on the first try. That was actually quite impressive by me. Good job, me. But as much as I like the idea, yeah, Alfred showing up in 1981, that's my favorite personally. Okay, we were talking about theories and who's, I don't care about the Topa idea, the coincidence not happening. I like the idea that Alfred. Now, do we know, was Alfred in the California area? Do you know that at all? Not that I ever found. I never found where he had ever come to California. So do you think that it's possible, theoretically speaking, that if somebody is at one of these intersecting points on these laylines, let's just say, would Stonehenge be one of those

intersecting points? Honestly, I have not, my guy has not done an analysis of Stonehenge, but I, you know, it's a good question. He should, you know, and I can let you know another time down the road, but

I get where you're going. The idea is where there are other intersections can such extraordinary things happen. And I think so. I think that's what those guys who noticed that where there's these intersections of this energy, There are more reports of UFOs, bigfoot, ghosts, you know, paranormal activity.

So there's something going on where these intersections are. And portals certainly could be one of them. Yeah. No, I 100% love that theory. So if this is a portal and, I mean, I'm assuming that you've at least theoretically thought about if not looked into these ideas. Do you, do you, I mean, outside of Disneyland and the carousel and even, you know, the laylines, do you, have you come across, have you looked into, maybe found other evidences that

that we, that man can generate and create physical devices that can then, you know, generate portals. I mean, is that something that you think is very much well within the range outside of the carousel, Disneyland, and the laylines? I think so. See, I am long overdue on a follow-up to the Latitude 33 book, because here's what I think's going on, and I think this serves to answer your question, part of it anyway. I think that C.V. Wood got this idea from, a previous, from previous knowledge of a secret tradition. And I don't want to make that sound so big and ominous. But I think there was a group of people at the turn of the century, 19th into the 20th,

who were doing this with carousels because subsequent research, we have found other old carousels located on these intersections, or even on just one line going through, but we have found carousels located on this energy, old carousels. And so I think that C.V. Wood learned about this from, you know, some other source that was aware of somebody doing this. And that's what my follow-up book,

I've wanted it to be about for years, is to try to find out who it is. And I've been on that trail, and they've really, really covered their tracks deeply. But, yeah, and I ended up writing, by the way, a time travel novel in which the character uses the carousels to go through time and space. And what's interesting is this novel and its publication predates the movie, Now You See Us, or whatever, about the magicians, where it ends with the carousel and

they jump interdimensionally. Someone saw that movie and they said, hey, Walter, I think. think they read your book. And I watched it. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, that's, that's pretty accurate to how it would be. And the reason I wrote that is because I do think, I put it, I tell people all the time, don't ignore the fiction written by nonfiction researchers, because there are ideas that we can't rightfully put in our nonfiction that we still want to get down and we want to explore, but we want to get down on paper, we want to explore it, we want the concept out there. So I put those kinds of things in my fiction.

And this novel in particular has the result of my experience with this Disneyland thing and with researching and writing it and what I think is going on. It's dramatized, of course. But yeah, I think this is something that there's somebody out there that, know that has known about this and they've been they've been putting these carousels like a network you know um and one idea is the idea that if you know how to do it you can get on these carousels and go from one place to another interdimensionally time and space we're talking and what's interesting is tomorrow uh well this is recorded for

later, but I'm going to be doing an upcoming episode on my show where we talk about trans temporal cosmic phenomena, and we're going to be talking about this human factor. What is it that a human being can do to be part of this mechanism that, you know, makes it functional? And that's really what we're talking about here is what did C.V. Wood understand about the human mind, what did he, you know, in my opinion, Disneyland was engineered with the human consciousness as the key that makes it go. Or the, and maybe if I'm getting that wrong, but you get the idea that you plug in the human consciousness factor, and that's when the magic starts. So to answer your question,

I think there is something, and I've gotten this out of diving into time travel studies, there is something specifically powerful about the human will, okay, and the desire to do this plays an operative function in going across time, going across time, and space. In other words, if you have some emotional hook, right, at your destination, in the film somewhere in time, it's because he falls in love with an actress who lived 100 years before. So this romantic love is his anchor point to the past. So that's the thing that he's connected to emotionally. So when you combine the emotion with the desire and the mind power, you are able to pull yourself through time and space. And I think that's the human factor. So, you know, how did he do it? He surrounded himself with the trappings of the past, the target

time and place. Okay. That's the mechanism. Jack Finney writes about this in his novel time and again where the time traveler just surrounds himself with, you know, a place, the furnishings, the clothing, the music, the sounds, so that his mind locks into that target time and his will is able to do the rest. So there's something about this technology I think I'm finding and seeing that requires, you know, the human consciousness to be that final little piece to plug in. If any of that made sense. No, it totally makes sense.

And I'm finding that with the people that I talk to about these types of things, there's a common thread of the mind that is a piece of this puzzle that I think traditionally has been overlooked. Like we have traditionally thought, maybe through science fiction and things, like, let's just create a device that you sit in, hit the power button. and it generates up and it takes us away. But there's a real aspect to the mind that I've even started, I don't want to say I coined the phrase,

but there's an author that heard me say it and said he wants to write a book with me based off this phrase, this idea of mind portals. Like the mind is a portal itself. And I don't know how to totally convey it into words. but like you said, the brain is the key. And it's almost in that terminology, it's like the technology, the carousel, the know-how is the doorway, but the brain and the will is the key to open that doorway. Yeah, the key to the kingdom is the individual person going to the park.

Each one of us, you know, back when it was engaged before they moved the carousel, each individual going to the park, adult or child, brought their consciousness. And that was the key to turn on, to really turn on the machine, you know, and engage it. That's the word I was looking for. You know, you engage the human consciousness and will in there. And, yeah. Do you think that they moved the carousel on purpose? They wanted to shut that whole thing down?

I think it was out of, I would think that I'm convinced that there's somebody in the Disney organization that knew and understood what CV Wood did, but I don't think that by the time you got to the 1980s, I don't think the people, because they were redesigning, revamping fantasy land. And I don't think they, no, I don't think they realized what they were doing. They just needed the carousel moved back for the architecture of the new stuff. and that's what happened and they disengaged it. But I had a thought that I want to go back to so I don't forget it on what you were just saying, the mind being a portal. The question that comes up is, well, shoot, how come people aren't constantly doing this? And well, one answer to that is, you know, we know that there's people out there that know about this stuff.

And we know that there's suppression that goes on. Well, when you're talking about the power of the mind, one of the strongest ways to lock that down and block it is to just condition people to think, oh, that's not real. Oh, you can't do those kinds of things. Oh, that's childish. Oh, that's. So what you do is you attack the belief. You attack the human capacity for, you know, thinking, hey, could I do this? Should I try it? If you want to keep people suppressed from doing this, you just tell them they can't and you condition them. And it works. I mean, look how many people laugh at these ideas when we're talking about them because they've been conditioned that it's all nonsense. And it doesn't help that in our community ever since, you know, this community has been a thing for decades in a century or whatever, there's always been liars and fakers and goofballs who are telling BS stories. You know, it doesn't help when you're trying to have a serious conversation

about this, that it's got so much going against it. Well, that serves the function of suppressing these kinds of abilities and these ideas. You know, on that note, it gives me a lot of hope, Not just, not for portal talk, for instance. I don't want my son going to another realm. But my son, maybe I want to go first, make sure it's safe, you know? Well, how old is he? He just turned six last week. Yeah, yeah, you want him around a little bit longer.

Yeah, yeah. He hasn't taken me off to a certain age, though. Right. He hasn't taken me off too much yet. Like, he hasn't done anything too bad that I want to ship him off to the other realm for a while. But the idea of belief and it's like you were saying how, you know, we've been told that it's not real, it's not possible. And that diminishes the will to even try. And even to the point where like maybe you want to try and you want to believe, but your belief is just not there to let the will go a certain distance.

I have a lot of high hope because we're at the very beginning stages with all this technology that we're like what I'm doing right now for a living. I mean, it wasn't possible 20 years ago. And so this new era of kids being raised in this world of technology, that information is being passed around so rapidly that there will be people in 20 years from now who were raised with insights like what you're talking about today that allows them to have a starting line that's well beyond our starting line of belief. And I have hopes that, you know, as time goes on, these kind of ideas are fleshed out more and understood more and can be talked intelligently without being, you know, the whole snicker factor.

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Customize your system in just minutes at simplysafe.com slash confessions. There's no safe like Simpliceaf. Oh, it makes perfect sense. It's long been the vision, the dream that I don't think it's ever going to happen. that way. I don't think it's ever really been that way. Most people are busy with the day-to-day mundane existence, and that's not an indictment of it. It's just the way of things. It's human nature. I'm very egalitarian. I think every single human being is capable of these things, but it's whether they want to or not. It's whether they believe they can or not. It's how they've been conditioned.

I think that there are. I'm not here. It doesn't matter to me if anyone believes me on this. Personally, I'm convinced these two-a-de-de-an, whoever, whatever they are, these interdimensional, there's another intelligence that shares this world with us. They've been with us all along. And, you know, they're the ones who, they pay attention and take note of those of us, when any of us reaches a threshold where we kind of see a level. where we kind of see a little bit more than the rest, where we maybe we see them, so to speak, and they know that we see them,

and they don't let you forget it. And it's kind of a, you know, it would be a right of passage, but I really do think that it's just going to continue those who figure it out and those who figure out what they can do, they'll they'll do those things they'll know those things and uh they will for better or worse and there's an argument for better they will selectively share what they know now you know folks uh i i'm sure you have an international audience you know we happen to live here in america and i'm telling you any given moment, you know, I go out there, drive down the street, go to my grocery store.

I encounter, you know, 50 idiots who, I mean, were probably better off them not being aware of what they could really do with their minds because they're morons, they're jackasses, you know, and they would think of the things they would do. I mean, just look at social media. Look at the things people do with that. You know. And then think of these same people with, oh, you mean I can, I can like open a portal and go to other dimensions? Dude, you know, let's take the party over there. And you're like, oh, for God's sake.

So look, you may not, we may not want a world where everybody knows and everybody can do it. Because it's not always going to have that maturing effect. What you just described is Bill and Ted's excellent adventures. that's exactly what you just described. And you're right. I don't want them traversing realms. Yeah, I don't want some guy in a brodozer, you know, charging through a portal, you know,

and it just, you know, and don't get me wrong. My girlfriend has a big Tacoma pickup with big wheels and a big old deer ramming. You know, we have kind of a nice version of a brodozer, you know, that I ride around in with her. But you know, you get the point. And I think that's what one of the things if these, if I mean, I'm convinced about these others that are with us,

I think that's part of their role is to kind of, I don't want to use the police word, but regulate how these things are used. And, you know, how people, how far people develop with these things, develop these things and what they do with them. So I think that that's the way of things and that's the way it will continue.

So you said that Latitude 33 was the first nonfiction book you wrote. Have you written any other non-fiction? Yeah, that's mostly what I'm known for. That's what you're doing. Okay, gotcha. So let me ask you, have you? ever done a book on the two adida nan? Well, that's what I'm saying is the two of a deedan have turned up in my research for all of the nonfiction books I've written so

far. And that's like 13 or 14. It's really weird. I go to write a book about Sir Richard Francis Burton and his mysterious expedition in South America. And evidence of of the Tuudadidanaan, you know, show up in that research. Same thing with, I write about Juan Cabrio, okay, the Portuguese explorer working for Spain in the 16th century. And the Tuudadidanaan turn up in that research. Same with Ambrose Beers. I write a book about, you know, my dad's claims to have, you know, relative to the Roswell information and his weird story that happened to him in the 50s in the Air Force. And the Tuudad de Dan turn up. in that. They have turned up, they and the goddess Hecate are the two threads that have turned up in all my nonfiction, whether it's about breakaway civilizations, airship mystery, or occult murder in Samarnadino, which is what my Empire the Will trilogy is. There's Hecatee and there's the two at Editha Nann. No matter what thread I pull, I could, I guarantee you, I could go write a book about football, okay?

I prefer baseball, but baseball we know is a mystical sport, so we wouldn't be surprised when it shows up there. But I could write about football or ping pong. And I guarantee you somewhere in the research, the Tuita Dianan will pop up or Hekate. And it's weird. And now that's just where they pop up in my research. We could do a whole show about the personal phenomenon that I've encountered. are connected to the Tuita Dina and the goddess Hekate. So there's something going on with them in our world that's very substantial.

Maybe we need to bring you back for another third installment then to talk about that. I'll talk about it. If they don't throw vegetables and boo and hiss at me because it's bound to happen at some point. Okay. Of course. And it's just, it's a right of passage when you do these kind of things. If you're going, if you're going to come out with something that's of any substance and worth listening to or reading, you're going to have people who just do not like it and shout you down. And that's okay.

Well, that's why I say, I've crossed a line where certain things, it doesn't matter to me if someone believes me or not. I know what I saw. I know what I experience, you know. Right. Yeah. So let me ask you this as well, because I have this down, and I want to ask you this because I think, more importantly, I think other people want to know this as well. In your understanding, when it comes to these spots, these intersectional spots, where the carousel used to be, other locations that are similar to that, do you think that it's possible for people to replicate what happened at Disneyland and other locations. So, like,

because I mean, it's interesting is that the carousel, you traditionally think about portals opening up and you got to spin real fast. The carousel doesn't go that fast. So it doesn't require an immense amount of energy, I would say. Right. Right, right.

And carousels have a flywheel aspect to them. And, you know, the flywheel we find in Victor Schauberger and stuff, you know, from the 1920s. Now, I want to clarify something, Disneyland, what C.V. Wood did with Disneyland and the carousel, that in itself, in my opinion, is the replication of something that was done with carousels and Tullercurrent before.

And Wood became aware of that, and he replicated it in his own way on a grander scale with Disneyland in 1955. So Disneyland is one of the replications that you're talking about. about, I think. Wow. Wow. And Alfred Watkins came through time and space. I'm convinced of it. So it's got to work. It's got to work. Something's got to work. Yeah. I just, I don't know if a carousel was the impetus for how he did it. I think he just slipped through somehow, you know, unless we find that he had some type of rotating device with him. Just what you were saying earlier about the mind being the key and the will in the book that he wrote,

clearly there was a mind and will for it. And if he was at one of these spots, when he was minding and willing these things, who knows what could have happened? Exactly. And to clarify, because I know people are going to know this when they look it up, there is a difference. If you will see in my books, I originally referred to this energy in these lines as laylines.

And then the more I learned, the more I realize. Now, wait a minute, there is a difference between Tulleric current and the term layline. Now, the layline is a straight line path traditionally that's between either past, former sacred locations or where temple-type structures have been built. Okay? But the argument is that where these paths were made, these laylines, there is Toleric current flowing through them. So what they are were markers of paths where somebody knew this energy was passing from one sacred site to another. So the Taluric current is there, even though the technical term for what I'm writing about and what's going on at Disneyland, I try to be specific.

and say TILURC current. But it's popular to call that laylines, so we find ourselves doing that. Okay. It's interesting. You're talking about this because... My point is, my point is that there was certainly Tullerick current running through the laylines that Alfred Watkins was investigating, in my opinion. Yeah.

So, I mean, it seems like there needs to be a combination of both for the perfect storm, right? Yeah. I find... Well, there's got to at least be the TILERT current, yeah. Right. the key is the Tolaric current. I find this interesting because there's a guy who used to work around very high-ranking officials in our government. And he was basically a fly on the wall with what his job was.

But he heard very interesting conversations. And he wants to come talk to me in my studio about these similar things, lay lines and different stuff. And I'm interested because by time he comes to me in my studio to record with me, this episode probably should be had been released by then. So he'll have heard that. And I'm interested to hear if it's matching up with what he's talking about. Because some of the things you're saying, because this guy, he drove to another state just to meet me in a line at an event I was doing to talk to me and say, listen, this is who I am. I need to talk to you about this stuff. just like, bro, like, interesting.

That's interesting. Yeah. And so I'm like, I'm hooked. You know what I'm firmly convinced. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

I was just going to say, I'm firmly convinced that whatever he comes to talk to me about, most of it's going to go over my head. So I'm going to do the best I can to host a conversation. So all the other listeners that are smarter than me can catch the drift and really run with the information. Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling you, when Cessori gets talking about this stuff,

some of it goes over my head, particularly when my friend Joseph Farrell and I are talking about. But I realized I had a couple of the Cessori maps, and I thought I'd show them, please, if you want to see one. This is a Tolaric current map that he identified the Tulleric currents in the Lake Tahoe area. So I don't know if you can see those, the lines that he did very well there, but those are the lines he did.

He identified that Tolaric current and an intersection there in Lake Tahoe. That's an example. And I have, you know, over the years, he's been giving me these analyses of the different places that I've researched, you know, as it comes up. But anyway, I just saw those on the desk and I wanted to share that. Has he done any for Tennessee? That's where I'm located. Well, yeah, what he's done is years ago, he gave me a large, map of the United States where he's done the analysis across the continental U.S.

And that's getting old and wrinkly. I'm going to have to either get him to do a fresh one or I'm going to have to. I've taken digital pictures of it so that I don't lose the data. But yeah, I would have to be looking at the map to tell you exactly where the stuff is in Tennessee. But I have discussed with others who live in Tennessee, you know, the weird phenomena that they could tell me associated with those locations. But generally, when you're talking about a place that's known for UFOs, paranormal activity, what have you, you know, big whatever, strange phenomena, you can go to this map and you can see that this current runs through there.

That's where I live. Another thing that's interesting. Yeah. That's exactly where I live. this and you're like, wow. So he gave me this map of the U.S. that I'm describing back in 2008 or 2009. I think it was nine. And it wasn't until years later that I happened to see the David Polite's, the map he does of the, what's the, how do you say?

Missing 401? Yeah, the missing 411, but the clusters, his cluster map. Yeah. Now, he did this map after, okay, he published this map after I'd had this one from Cesserie for years. And it's a virtual match. So, yeah, so where his clusters are, are where Cesserie has identified intersections of the Teleric Current. Now, here's another interesting thing. Someone else has done a layover of all the.

subterranean cavern systems in the U.S., and it's a match too. Get out of town. Which doesn't surprise Cesserie at all. So there's something going on with the caves and the caverns. There's something going on underground with this TILURC current and with these mysterious disappearances. Okay. And I don't think it's Bigfoot.

Oh, my gosh. This is fascinating. So everything that you're talking about and describing literally, is in this area that I live in. And even David has covered cases here in the Smoky Mountains in this area that I live in. Yep.

And next Friday, I'm spending an entire night in the mountains because we've been given a location to where there's underground tunnel systems that we want to explore. It's about as far as I can go as far as detailing as what we're doing. But we're looking

for very secluded. secret cave tunnel systems that supposedly have a lot of weird mysterious things happening around them. And so, shoot, if I don't show up for the podcast, you know what happened. Well, I think you need me to, I think you need me before you go on that. I will send you his entire of Tennessee. I would love it. So that you're armed with where the laylines are, because it could, it could help you find something you're looking for too. Or if you go somewhere and there's something weird about it or you have a weird experience, you look on that map and you see the current, you know, it'll make a believer out of you. Oh, I'm telling you, it really well.

Can you not tell them already a believer? Please send it over. Yeah, but there's, there's, okay, like UFOs. I've always accepted UFOs. You know, they fascinated me when I was younger and stuff. I didn't really have my UFO experience until 2014. I mean, I've been into UFO. From the time I can remember when I was a little kid in the late 60s when my dad showed us the old magazines look and life and all that. But I never saw a bona fide UFO until December of 2014 nine years ago. And let me tell you, it's a different, it's a different level of belief. Before is an acceptance. I accept that that's real.

then when you experience it yourself, you're like, oh, boy, okay, this is real. I mean, holy crap, you know, if you were to hear the, I mute the video. Because I'm like, holy, what the hell? What is that? And, yeah, so it's when you actually encounter the stuff, it's like crossing a Rubicon. You cross your own personal Rubicon where you really, after seeing that UFO, I don't give a rat's backside, a rat's ass about who doesn't believe I had the UFO experience because you know what? All that matters is I had it, I remember it.

There was a witness standing there right with me who also saw it and other things. So there's certain things that you're just like, it really doesn't matter if other people believe you or not. Because guess what? it wasn't their experience. It was your experience. Any one of us can see a UFO. Any one of us can see a ghost. Any one of us can have the weird mind phenomena and stuff.

But here's the interesting thing about all of this. Any one of us can experience this, and many have. But for each person, it's oddly personal. Yeah. It's oddly personal. and that's the best way I can describe it now. And I don't mean that in a way that it makes it less real. I kind of laugh at the naysayers and the people that haven't experienced something.

Well, I won't believe it until I experience it. It's like, well, you're right. You're right. You won't believe it until you experience it. And I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you have your wake-up call moment. But, and maybe that'll never happen. Maybe not, but it's funny that some of these people who are, those kind of people, I won't believe until I see kind of thing are the same people who traditionally have rested

back on the idea that, you know, the official narrative and the government says that these things don't exist. And now the government's like, all these things exist. And they're like, oh, what's my excuse now? What do I fall back on now, you know? I even, years ago, before I quit driving truck, when back in 2017, when all this disclosure stuff first started kicking off. I was talking to a guy at work and he's like, yeah, I don't believe in, you know, it's Bigfoot stuff and all that. I'm like, that's fine. I said, you believe in UFOs, though, right?

And he's like, no, I don't believe in UFOs. I'm like, well, the government says that the UFOs are real. Like, so if the government's saying it's real and he's the kind of guy that's like, you know, that kind of guy. And he's like, I just don't believe it. And I said, all right, well, I said, I'm trying to find something the guy believes in, right? And so I said to him, I said, you're a Christian, right? And he said, yeah. And I said, so you believe that demons, demons are real, right? And he's like, he goes, no, I don't believe demons are real. I'm like, are angels real? And he's like, yeah. I'm like, but demons aren't real? He's like, no. I'm like, dude, like, you can't just pick and choose what you want to believe, right?

Like, there's got me some kind of logic behind it. Yeah, you read my mind. I was going to say, these are the kind of people that every, you know, one day a week, they go to a building and they listen to what the preacher man, you know, says, hey, God is this, angels, demons, blah, blah, blah, trust me, bro. But wait a minute, you won't trust someone who's actually witnessed something, but you'll trust, hypothetically, theoretically, you'll trust your immortal soul with what some other fallible human being is saying to you because he's in a position of authority. Yeah, you're right.

That's why I find, and, you know, a naysayer who also happens to be an atheist, to be much more honest than the person who happens to be religious saying that all this stuff is fake. But for that very reason, you know, that we've just been saying. Or there's the other side of it. It's all evil. I don't want to see UFOs. I don't want to see. You know, it's all evil.

It's all of the devil. You know, that's the other knee-jerk kind of reaction some people have because this stuff is scary. It's weird to have these experiences. And folks, there is, there is bad out there. There are evil beings and things like that that are out there and don't have your best interest at heart. I, you know, like you mentioned with the, I believe in angels, but I don't believe in demons, folks. I'm like, okay. I can't help you.

Good luck. Right. Yeah. So it's scary. Oh, yeah. I mean, everybody's an individual. They have these perspectives. And it's just, I find it interesting.

But so before we get out of here, let's just let the people know again where they can find your books. Not just, you know, the book we were talking today, but, you know, you're one of, you know, 20,000 books. I'm looking at them now. Well, I've written 18 and I think, well, a couple of those are novels. But read the time travel novel. you'll find things in there that I've experienced and have researched that I can't really justify putting in nonfiction. But that's at Walter Bosley.com slash shop. Okay.

And anything of mine that is not over there yet, you can go directly to Lulu, l-U-L-U-D-com and find that. And also, I have a live stream at YouTube that now we go a couple of times a week at the Walter Bosley Channel. at YouTube. So check that out. Definitely, especially tomorrow's show because you already hinted at it. So check it out because by the time people hear this, it'll be in the archives. So go and you can, right after this episode, you can go check that out. Yeah, it'll be the trans temporal cosmic mysticism episode with Cameron Pasha, the screenwriter author. I'm real excited to have him in this discussion. Awesome. Well, Walter, I appreciate it again. You hopping on with me. This has been a an awesome conversation. I hope people enjoy it. Well, thank you. I've enjoyed it, and I look

forward to doing this again. Well, that's the show, but I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, share the show with your friends and your enemies. I don't care who you share the show with. Just share the freaking show. If you really don't like somebody, send them this show because it's a guaranteed way to keep them from not liking you. Share this weird stuff with them. They'll never talk to you again. So people you love, share it. People you hate. Share it. Just share the All right, friends, I hope your 2024 is off to a banger of a heater. This is going to be an awesome year. I hope you're geared up for it.

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