The Confessionals - 64: The Disappearing Church of The Woods

Episode Date: April 7, 2018

Can inanimate objects travel through time?  Can they defy logic and reason? What about entire buildings? Tonight, Seth joins The Confessionals to share a range of experiences, including an occasion when he witnessed a very real and physical church appear seemingly out of nowhere while hunting deep in the woods.  Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionals Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

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and he's running really fast and spears dan holds him up like this somebody else shoot him in the face shoot him in the face they basically decapitating got closer got closer got closer got closer when he got about 15 yards away to this head off. And there are two. And each up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. It's almost like they're unzippering our reality. They pick their heads through and they look around and if it looks like the coast is clear, they step through the rest of the direction. If you pick the head, you get the whole package.

If you don't take the head off, then what happens is they disappear. This was all circulating around the base that a giant has been killed with no one was supposed to talk about it. supposed to talk about it. Far side of the room, and there's Jack. And he's got blood on his face. He looks at me, and he just says one word. Oops. He's longer than most people have careers.

Through this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You are listening to The Confessionals, a proud featured show of blog talk radio.com. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email.

My email address is The Confessionals Podcast at gmail.com. That's the Confessionalspodcast at gmail.com. Or you can go to the website, the Confessionalspodcast.com, hit the connection section, and you can reach me that way as well. Now, I want to remind everybody that we are going to the Frank Saris Library on April 14, 2018, in Cannesburg, Pennsylvania. That means next Saturday. I will be in Cannonsburg at the Bigfoot Town Hall meeting with my brother,

and Dave Groves will be out there, Doug Waller. It's going to be a great time. So if you are within a four to five hour driving distance of Cannonsburg, Pennsylvania, I highly recommend you coming out to meet me and have some fun. And like I've been saying, we're going to go out to dinner afterwards. It'll be a great time to just kind of chill and hang out. So I highly encourage you, if you have any interest in Bigfoot and you're within four to five hours from there, come on out and hang out with us.

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go ahead to patreon.com back-slash-the-confessionals. Check it out and see all the different rewards. Now, this week we bring on Seth to the show, and Seth has a lot of different encounters that he'd like to share with us, but the one that really caught me and my ear is when he talked about being in the woods, hunting, and he sees a church totally appear right before him, and he watches it for about 20 minutes, and then it disappears. Very fascinating show, and I'm excited to present it to you tonight, so hang in there with me, and we'll get right into it right after this.

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I'm doing great. Good, man. So you and I were just talking a little bit about some of the details that you emailed me about. And you got a lot of different stuff to cover here tonight. So I hope everybody kind of buckles up and, you know, is in for a ride here. Just, you know, lean back, turn down the lights a little bit, you know, and just turn up the confessions because you're in for a good treat tonight. Let's start off here tonight with your haunted warehouse experience.

Now, you said that you worked in this warehouse and you've had experiences. Is that right? That's correct. Yes, sir. All right. So why don't you just kind of walk us into, you know, what you've experienced while you were working there? Well, I went to work at the warehouse in about 2005. Yeah, about 2005. As in down to, actually, if you look at a map downtown, Fort Smith, Arkansas, it's actually a couple blocks from the gallows that, you know, there's a courthouse and we're hanging judge. Parker presided and then there's gallows there where they used to hang.

If anybody remembers the Plenny's Wood movie, you hang them high, that's the, you know, he would always take them back to the Fort Smith. And so, but I got a job working. I was working on it. It was really great. I was trying to go, trying to do college and, um, I was in the Army Reserves. And so it just, everything worked together.

The scheduling and everything worked out perfect. It was a good job for me. But it's not just, I mean, it's an old warehouse building. It was actually inside this warehouse. They built huge refrigeration rooms. And so they had hired, and basically I have a little office that I would be in. and every 30 minutes I would kind of get out and kind of walk the perimeter and check the gauges in different rooms. And also kind of be the nose looking for an ammonia leak, you know, in case one broke out.

Lucky you. Yeah. Well, it's one way if you know there's a leak. You get out of that quick. And it was one of it was an area that. a town that literally used to be the red light district. As a matter of fact, it's next to the visitor center, which openly used to be a cat house.

I mean, they're very open. You go in there as a little museum, and they talked about like the coins and all that and how it all worked. But I got hard on, and, you know, once the workers got off, I would be the only one, you know, on site. and, you know, probably a couple weeks in, I'd notice that, you know, there was, like, yeah, after I said in the office set up, there was an office I was in, and then there was an office off of that. And so I would notice that, like, because, you know, be headphones, listen to music, or I'd be reading or whatever between my little 30-minute walk. But that office door would open and close.

you know, like I would leave to do my check and that door would be closed. Well, when I come back, it would be open. And I just kept saying like, yeah, this is weird. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions and say, you know, it's ghost or it's this or it's that. But what really got my attention was I walked into a room and there's a lot of machinery so you have to put on your muffs. I walked in and I was writing down and gauge reading. and I felt like a hand to put on my shoulder and kind of pull like somebody's getting my attention. Every now and then, because there's enough stuff that was computerized,

that there's a maintenance technician that would periodically come out because the computer would alert him and he'd come out and check to see what the problem was. So I thought that he was on, that he came in and he was just getting my attention. So, you know, I'm very distinctly solid. help the hand, you know, pull on me. And I turned around expecting to see the maintenance guy, and there's nobody there. And I was like, what the, I mean, the door to the room was locked. It was a key lock.

And I'm like, oh, my gosh. So I finished checks. And that's when I started paying a lot more attention. and just, I said, that door would be open and closed. There is a big, there's a hallway outside the office, and there was a big window where I could see out into the hall and was in there, and I heard running footsteps come down the hall. And so I stood up and looked because there shouldn't be anybody in here.

And the sound of the footsteps came running by that window. but nobody was there. I mean, so I came out in the hall and the foot, I mean, basically followed these footsteps. And they ran around a couple corners and then through what was now wall, but there used to be a doorway there. And then, let's see what, another time I was in there and felt a hand grabbed my ankle. it didn't pull it just I've distinctly felt to my kind of grab my ankle and that one kind of really freak because it's initial like you're walking you feel the hand and it's like somebody trying to like trip me or but again like that happened I got a couple friends

hired on there doing the same job you know we would relieve each other and I'd warn them I would say, look, yeah, I've been, I've been touched, but nothing seems to be hurting me or attempting to hurt me. I said, so don't panic. And they would talk about the same thing. There's motion sensors that would go off and the security, they'd be inside the refrigeration. and yeah the security company would call hey we have a motion sensor can you please go in there so I have to don't on the freezer gear and go walk through and it would be an empty room but something was setting off the motion sensors in there and it's just but it got to the point

where I just got used to it I got used to you know doors open and closing got used to, I would hear thumping and bumping inside the, the freezers, which would sound like somebody is moving around in there, moving boxes around. And again, sensors would go off. I'd go in, nothing's moved. It would just, I got used to, but it kind of peaked. There is, there's a rail car. And actually, the workers hadn't left us, particularly, there's a rail car full of dry ice that was brought down and it was up against the building and you know how dry ice does that little fog stuff right yeah it um well it was coming out and it was you know spreading out over this little section of track alongside the warehouse and

um it was spreading out but as i was walking and hitting my door you know going indoors and stuff, I'd come, you know, I noticed that it started to, like, come together. So I kind of stopped and just watched. And it literally, it started to spiraling up. And, you know, again, I just kind of sit there and watched it. And it formed a shape of a woman wearing, like, a Victorian-style dress. And all I could think of was, you know, I was, I was. was kind of the

starving college shoot it. I didn't really have the, you know, family supporting me. I mean, literally, you know, it's like I was scraping by.

And so I didn't have, you know, which I don't even think they had cell phones with, you know, pictures on, but it was one of those,

you know, wasn't carrying a lot of high tech stuff to get evidence of it. So I can think of it was like, I wish I had a camera, something, the snap picture of this.

And, You know, went into my next door and made my checks and then came out and the dry ice fog stuff was back, you know, doing its normal thing and spreading out over the track. Wow. And it was just, it was active. I mean, you couldn't go. There is, like, I would talk to the other guards because periodically, you know, we would usually. come on, you'd be there probably about 30 minutes.

As, you know, my first 30 minutes would be the last guy, the guy that I'm replacing his last 30 minutes. And so most would talk about it. You know, just their experiences. You know,

when they'll grab, someone saw it looked like something in the dark in the hallway, like come running at them, which they freaked out. and took off. I mean, like, I think they, any of I remember, correct, it's been a few years,

I think they called the boss and said, hey, I'm sick, I'm going home. It just, you know, freaked them out. But there was one old man that just swore up and down. He was like,

nope, nothing strange going on. All right. Hmm. But, so this was a common thing amongst everybody. You guys all talked about your experiences together.

yes sir okay so i mean it's not like you were the only one like it's not like you were being targeted per se it was just the whole place was active and everybody was having these experiences except for the old guy who didn't want to admit it right right yeah okay uh when you saw the the fog spiral up into the woman in a victorian dress uh you said you went and finished your checks and when you came back out, it was gone, right? Right. Dude, how did you have the guts to just keep working, man? Because, like, if I saw that, I would be freaking out, man.

Was that your first time seeing an apparition of an actual person? That was my first time, yes, there. That was my first time seeing an apparition there. But by then, like I said, I'd been grabbed. I'd heard, you know, enough noises. I just, like, I said, I really came to the conclusion. Whatever, you know, whatever it or they are, they're not out to hurt me or they can't hurt me. So. Yeah, because, I mean, you did say that earlier.

It seems like the more time you spent in there, the more you kind of got numb to the whole idea of what was going on around you. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. I mean, it's kind of like, I used to have a job where I used to be a parking enforcement officer for, or local city around here. And I'll tell you, like, before I went to work every day, I would be praying that I'd be

able to punch out at the end of the day because it was a dangerous job. Like, I've had guns pulled on me and things like that. And I eventually got just numb to the whole idea of what I was doing from a day-to-day basis where, like, I would say my prayer before I started work kind of thing. But once I got out there, it was just old hat. Like, you just didn't really realize the dangers of what the job was. was and I imagine it's probably the same thing that you would you had you know it's just after a while it's just it's old hat.

Mm-hmm. That's it. I mean, exactly. It's just saying all, it's that my only regret honestly is that I didn't have some sort of video camera or something, you know, like GoPro wasn't around that. Like if it had been around, I could have, you know, carried it with me to work and tried to document some of those.

stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Now, you said you were grabbed twice, right? Right. Now, how'd you feel when that happened, man? Like, when you actually feel something grabbing you and you realize that there's nothing there, like, what does your gut feel like? Like, what was going on in your mind and your gut? Like, were you terrified, or were you just like, oh, there's that entity? It's being a jokester again. I was startled. I mean, truly startled, especially the first time, you know, the hand on the shoulder because I was fully expecting the maintenance guy. Yeah.

The second time, it was more of, again, startled, but more that it kind of put me a little more on guard the second time because, like I said, my ankle, I didn't feel any tugging on my ankle. I just felt distinctly the hand grabbed my ankle and it was just like, you know, it's almost then it's like, all right, is, am I dealing with something that's trying to cross the line and now hurt me or something? But it's just, man, it's, I don't, I mean, it's one of those, I mean, there's, there's a little bit of fear there, but I just, like, I'm, I'm just stubborn in. I've got a job to do,

and I'm going to do it. You know, I need this job to buy my ramen noodles, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I can understand that, man. I mean, bottom line is you need to do a job and you're going to do it, and you just got to deal with the environment you're given. So I totally get that. Now, this warehouse that you were in, now, you were said in the beginning, kind of, like, like how old it was and everything. Do you know what the warehouse was originally used for? Not off the top of my head. I mean, you could tell by design,

it, I mean, it was an older warehouse. But it was literally built where the red light district used to be. And so literally, you mean,

if gone like back 100 years, there'd been a bunch of whorehouses there. And just, yeah. or cat houses or whatever they called them. I mean, just, and they're very open. Like, so you go to, because I've gone to the visitor museum because I'm a history nut.

I mean, I thoroughly enjoy history. But you would go in there, and there's, like, some old pictures on the wall about that, you know, kind of where that area was that. And there was literally just row after row of, you know, cat houses. So that area is a pretty active area. I mean, it's like as far as marshals and back when Oklahoma was Indian territory slash outlaw territory,

which is, you know, Fort Smith was a, you know, historically was a pretty active area. And even during the Civil War, there was several like Civil War battles. fought around that area too. And so the forts, I mean, see, the I remember correct there for a while

the, and I could be wrong, but I think there for a while, like Union forces captured Fort Smith and then the Confederate still had the Oklahoma side, and so there for a while their artillery would just fire at each other.

and just kind of duels, which also just down the river, because, again, a few blocks, there's an island out there where it was illegal in the state in that area to have duels. But people would go out and have, you know, pistol duels and, you know, over. issues and would kill each other at on this island. I mean, it was just, it was a pretty active area. Just a lot of history there. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, it definitely sounds like it. It kind of makes sense with everything that you're experiencing, and especially the grabbing, it makes you wonder, I mean, if you're in the red light districts and stuff, I mean, it just makes you wonder what was grabbing you, was it, you know, an entity of, you know, an old hooker grab me saying, hey, buddy, you know, like, you look good in your uniform, you know?

You know, it's just, it just makes you wonder, you know, what you were dealing with. But it's definitely interesting stuff, man, that you had going on there. I want to move on a little bit here, if that's okay with you. I mean, you have some really interesting topics to cover. And some I've obviously heard before, but some of them I have not. And I kind of want to dive into this medieval church that you wrote me about first off, because when I read that in the email, I thought it was just, it grabbed me, man. I was just like, what is this about?

So you're in the woods, you're hunting, and you see this church, right? So, I mean, walk us into what happened. Okay. There's a spot that I like to hunt, and I still like to hunt. And, you know, I go out there. I'm not always successful, but it's just really beautiful and it's pretty. And, yeah, I've seen a lot of deer, and I've seen a few hogs in that area as well. And basically, I'm sitting up on a point on this hill, and I'm looking down a saddle,

which for those that don't know, if you have two hills, and they're, there's kind of a ridge line that connects on, but it kind of dips down. It's called a saddle. So, but at the time, the under, there wasn't, like the, the, the brush growth wasn't quite as thick, plus two. It was fall. A lot of foliage had fallen. And so I could see pretty far down it. And so I'm sitting up on a stand, and actually my stand was like this big rock that's out

I mean, it's freaking huge, but I was sitting up there. And I was watching down it. And just, I was 17 years old, just sitting there, just, you know, enjoying the afternoon. And it's kind of afternoon. And there's, you know, I describe it as like a small medieval church based off of kind of the way it looks. basically it appeared in front of me. It was about six yards down, and it was on this saddle. And what threw me, a lot of it threw me, but it was like physically,

where was that structurally? It shouldn't have been there. And, yeah, I sat there and looked at it, and I could see details. I mean, it was made of stone. It was like a gray stone. had windows that kind of squared up down at the bottom, but they kind of, as they went up a little bit, they kind of arched up into a, I call it like a rounded triangle type.

Does that make sense? Yeah, I know what you mean. You know, and I could see the windows on it. I want to say, because there were trees there, but I want to say that there was probably at least eight, because I wasn't looking at it, Den Oz. It was almost like caddy corner.

I could see the front of it, but I could see the side real clear. And it appeared, and I'm looking at the, it had about, I want to sit by about eight windows. And I'm just kind of guessing because there are some trees and stuff in the way

on that one side. And, I mean, I could see detail, even from where I was at, because it seemed to be pretty solidly built. I could tell some detail on the rocks. And the light was coming in enough. I could actually see a little bit inside of the building. And, I mean, I just sat there, Tony, I just had there and looked at it.

I mean, I had my 30-30. I really wasn't sure about it. But it was one of those cases of, like, it's weird but kind of really there's part of me that's indecisive about what to do and then there's part of me that was just kind of am I really seeing this? I mean I rubbed my eyes.

I kind of, you know, pinch myself like, all right, you know, I'm seeing this. You know, I kind of looked away, looked back, okay, it's still there. And basically sat there and watched to see if something, you know, something would come out of it, or someone would come out of it

but there's no noise in it so I know there's nothing in there to make me think I didn't see anything moving inside from you know from the angle you know looking into the building but I could just it was just

in some ways it seemed unreal but after looking at for about 20 minutes I heard some rustling off to the left of me and I looked because also I hadn't forgotten why I was there. You know, every time, I mean, anybody's down any hunting, if you hear some kind of rustling or some footsteps off to the left,

you know, deep down you're hoping it's like Bugsilla or something. Looked off towards the noise and didn't see anything. I looked back down and the church was gone. And, yeah, I went ahead. and stayed up there until it got dark, and I left, and I came back the next day, and I came back a little bit early, and actually walked down to, you know, where I saw it and kind of looked at the ground and the train, and, you know, really just the, I think part of me was wondering, you know, is there something physically left over here, like a sudden. fine that it's there and didn't see anything so went back up and got got back on my stand there and then later on that day uh had a buck come by and you know the classic hunter mistake uh got excited you know boy it's a nice rack man it was a nice rack and a jerk the trigger shot over

back and it took off running down the hill. But like I said that, church, I talked to my dad and talked to my grandpa about it. And they didn't really have an answer for me. I mean, especially my grandpa, I think he believed me. My dad probably wouldn't sure. That's my grandpa believe me, but

they didn't have any explanation, didn't offer anything. And it was years later, we're talking about old, as with some people, we're talking about old stories and legends about this area. And someone, there was a story about a hunter being out in the woods and carried a noise. And he saw a Native American with a musket. they said kind of dressed up and really old guards kind of look at him and said then this native stepped off behind this rock and so the hunter went up there and said you know the native wasn't there was no sign and there was no way that that native could have you know gotten away without the

hunter seeing it so I mean I just I don't know It's one of those things. I keep, you know, every now that I come back to it, and mentally, I just think about it and think about what I saw and scratch my head. All right. So when you saw this thing, you said that it was sitting in an area where it doesn't make sense, like it shouldn't be able to, you know, be built. When you were looking at it, did it seem like it was like very solidly,

sitting where it was, you know, where you were seeing it, you know, in the moment when you were looking at this thing, when you were looking at it, did it look like it was, you know, solidly built where it was sitting? Oh, yeah. I mean, it looked solid. It looks settled. I mean, from where is that, it looked like there was, you know, I mean, it was on flat ground, which, you know, it shouldn't have been, but I mean, it looked solid. Okay. Yeah, because, I mean, I find this really fascinating. Now, when you were sitting in your tree stand, did you see this thing up here right before your eyes?

Or was it something like you look over to your left and when you look back to your right, all of a sudden it's there? It, for lack of a better term, it's like it matured. It wasn't instant, but it wasn't real slow either. It was almost like a medium, like it's like, like, You know, I'm looking down at a draw, looking at empty, you know, through trees and all that. And then, like, it started to appear. And, like, it took about a couple seconds.

I mean, and then it was there. And it was solid. Okay. So forgive me for my lack of imagination here. But in your classical, you know, ghost movie and you start seeing something appear before your eyes. And it takes, like, two, three seconds. but you see this figure image slowly appearing and all of a sudden, you know, the ghost is there and it looks like a real person. Is that kind of how the same thing that this happened?

Like it was like a slow appearance, like it just kind of materialized in front of you? That's how happened. Like I said, it took, I mean, literally about two, three seconds. I mean, it's, but it appeared. And, I mean, I remember there was even a moment of where I was just, I mean, I think. I literally said, like, what the? I mean, as I'm looking at and the trees and stuff disappearing behind it, I mean, and telling him, I'm seeing the rock and, and just, it appeared.

And I couldn't see further, you know, I couldn't see past it. So how far were you from any buildings whatsoever now? You're out there hunting. Like, like, how far were you from, like, maybe, say, the closest, with any significant buildings. If there's a shack here or there, obviously that's not what I'm thinking of. Right.

You know, how far distance-wise were you from any real buildings? Probably as the crow flies, I was probably about, I mean, literally as a crow fly, I was probably about three-quarters of a mile, because I wasn't that far from the boundaries of the state park. And so, yeah, three-quarters of a mile, probably as the crow flies. Okay. Well, let's just take a break right now. And when we come back, we'll jump right back into it, Seth.

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And or at least almost 20 years, I just to say. But with your time thinking about this, you know, have you ever come up with any kind of idea or theories on how this was possible? I mean, like, people see, you know, hauntings where, like, a ghost appears in front of them. People see UFOs. And I know we'll get to your, you have a UFO encounter, too. Right. Like, you don't hear people say that buildings appear right in front of them out in the middle of the woods. Like, like, that's a very rare thing.

And, in fact, I've never talked to anybody who's seen something like you have. And how do you wrap your mind around that after the last almost 20 years? years of this experience in your mind? The closest theory I've come up with, and I based it off of something that happened to me when I was really young, it's like, again, as I told you before I started, I am a Christian. I believe there's a God, and I believe, you know. And so when I think about the scope of, you know, eternity and God, I think, you know, it's almost like God and spiritually.

It's almost like it's outside of timeline. And so then, like, if you were to take, like, a sheet or something and lay it down from one end to another and stand separate. You know, there'd be a timeline on the sheet that you're separate from that timeline. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how I've. think with with God and and I know there probably people have disagreed with me out there and that's fine. This is just what I think that anyways. And so I think at times that maybe it's not even like paper.

It's almost like waves or something. Maybe maybe two points, kind of like two distinct different points of times like the sheet or maybe waves or whatever kind of roll up. and they get close. And it's almost like, you know, we can see details on that sheet and possibly they can see details on our sheet. And I've read a lot of stories about sailors, like way back when, you know, on these old sailing ships, they would talk out in the mist. They would look on a shore shoreline and they would see buildings or outlines or piece. people, or in some cases, they'd even see liked. And then, and you talk to people today, and they talk about seeing in the mist, old, you know, sailing vessels.

You know, and so I'm just, that's my sink. And so then, but then that's for me in the case of the church, that opens like a, and I'm calling a church, it may not be a church, but, you know, I'm calling it, I'm calling, And then it opens up, okay, if I'm looking at a different time, because that was an older structure than what used to be here. And then also, why was, you know, terrain-wise, what happened to the change of terrain here? But sometimes all that does is kind of leave me into more questions. I don't think I'm ever going to get an answer on it. I would say probably not. But, you know, because that's what I was thinking, too.

I mean, the terrain that you saw this, you know, doesn't really typically hold any kind of structure or the idea of any kind of structures being there at one time. So, I mean, not only are you possibly witnessing some kind of time lapse, but you're also witnessing maybe a time lapse that has actually moved physical locations, you know, like did the earth, are. are things different than they were back then? So, like, physically, like, geographically, was that saddle there? Or was it not there?

You know, like, and how is that even possible? Because if you see a church building that's, that's built, that's relatively new in the grand scheme of the time. And we would have had record document of geographical, dramatic changes if that was the case, you know? Right. But, um, have you ever heard of Rockwell? Texas, I mean, it's a town's place.

It's outside of Dallas? I don't think so. Okay. Google it in your time. But essentially, underground, I forget how many feet, there is a rock wall. And if members are, it's been a while since I've read up or anything on it. But it's underground, it's a square shape. It's, they've determined how many feet or meters tall it is.

I mean, it's a thick rock wall. It's really funny because you watch some experts try to explain how it would naturally appear there, but it's like in a definite man-made shape. But it's like all underground now. And so it kind of raises the question of what used to be there? And why and who built a wall? And what were they trying to keep out? or what were they trying to keep in?

And so I say that to say this, I mean, yeah, they had no clue about that until somebody was digging down and found this. And so, I mean, as old as the earth is, I mean, in truth, I mean, I don't know, you know, four, five, six thousand years ago what all was going on here. right and you know i'm quickly looking at this right now as we're as you're talking about it uh do you know how deep this rock wall goes like like underground like first of all i guess you know how deep but also how big is this thing do you know how big they say it is not off the top of my head but if i if i remember correct it's it's been a few years and literally i've had a deployment since i've looked it up um my understanding, it's big enough to circle the town of Rockwall very easily. So, I mean, think of

like a city size. Wow. Okay. I find it really interesting because whenever you find these ancient, and I'll just call it an ancient structure, because we don't know what else to call it, I guess. But, I mean, you find these walls that are, you know, underground and we don't know where it came from, but clearly it was built by someone or something. I mean, it does. It does. It. It shows that there was some actual civilization here in our long time past. And I'd be very interested to hear, you know, what the idea is about how old this structure is. I mean, is it old enough to be from the Native Americans or does it date back before that? Because, you know, like, we have the stories of the Native Americans fighting these giants in our country.

And so, like, it makes you wonder, you know, is this something to do with the giants that were here at one? time, you know, because how big are these walls? Because, I mean, it makes you wonder, like, the Native Americans, you know, they didn't build these kind of structures. As far as I know, they didn't build big structures like that. They were, you know, more simplistic, from what I understand, than that. And so the idea of Native Americans building such a big wall, I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me, but I could be totally wrong on that. I don't know. Yeah. And then also there's, I mean, I, I personally believe, you know, based off, you know, stuff I've read that, yeah, there was probably trade, you know, thousand years ago, easy, 2,000 years, there, there was trade here.

Because, like, they were testing, they tested the hair on Egyptian mummies, and they came up positive for marijuana. Yeah, it was just. They were rolling dubies back then. Yeah, at that time, it was only growing over here. And I mean, you just, every now and then, they'll talk about finding ancient, you know, ancient pots, you know, from a shipwreck off the coast. The coolest thing I found, I found this, again, my last deployment. Because I was in Iraq and when we weren't running missions, I had a wife and a kid at home. So, really tight budget.

So I spent a lot of time just, you know, search around online or I read, gosh, I read a ton of books. I was over there too. But I came across a story about a monk. And he lived, something like he lived in the jungles in South America. And Native American, or the natives, that he was ministering to, would bring him treasure. and he was truly a monk, and he knew what it was worse on the outside world, but he just, he put in the backroom, he was dedicated to his mission, a simple life, and there's pictures of him.

Like, he's an old man, and he's in this room with, you know, these guys, and they're taking a picture, and he's shown them, there's, like, tall, like, silver statues, but he's showing different things, but I swear this, like, relic he's looking he's holding was something from Babylon. I mean, it was like the man, the lion head, it literally looked like something from Babylon. And, you know, it was something that you don't, you know, you don't associate with, you know, central South America, you know, as far as ancient. But like when the monk died, the natives came in and they hid, like they took all of it and they

hit it because their explanation when officials came in to steal it pretty much was that belongs to him that's not yours and he didn't give it to you so you know you're never going to get it and so what I'll do is I'll dig around and see if I can find it and if I can remember what the monk's name I'll send you a picture of that article. But I'm just convinced that there's been, I mean, trade between this side of the Atlantic with the other side. Yeah, and it's not something that I dismiss at all. I mean, I definitely think that's possible. And like I mentioned earlier about the whole Giants thing, like, I don't think Giants originated here.

I think that they came from another land and they came here. So how'd that happen and when did it happen? And, you know, you can go in all these different theories on that and stuff. But anyways, kind of rewinding here back to your experience. By the way, that was just fascinating stuff. When you told me about the rock wall, I looked it up and I'm going to be digging into that a little bit later on the night. But so you're talking about this church that appears in the middle of nowhere. You said it was like an older structure. Was it like a cathedral? Or was it like more like an old town church with a steeple.

Yeah, it looked like something from a, it didn't have, it actually didn't have a steeple. But like the from the shape of the windows and the shape of the structure, it seemed like one common room. And it would have been rectangular shape. The roof, I want to say, it was like a thatched roof. I mean, it looked old where I was sitting. But with the design of the windows and stuff, I can see where it's well ventilated. It seemed like something you would find maybe in like a medieval village, you know,

where not that many people are going to be in there, but, you know, they wanted, I guess, something substantial, you know, something solid built out of stone. But there wasn't actually a steeple on it. but, you know, like with the shape of the windows and everything, that's kind of what I associated with is a church. Okay. I mean, to be honest, I'm not 100% sure it was a church. No, yeah, I get it. I mean, like you said that earlier and stuff.

I mean, it's just kind of the closest thing you could describe it to. You know, I guess one of my last, I guess I could, I guess my last question with this is, you know, how long were you looking at this thing? Now, you described it in good detail. So, I mean, you must have had some time looking at it. And then you just said that you kind of looked away and when you looked back to it was gone. So you didn't see it dissipate.

But how long did you actually look at this thing? Was it sitting there? About 20 minutes because I had a wristwatch with me, Tommy. I look that thing is, like, 21, 20, 21 minutes, something like that. Wow. Now, in that 20 or 21 minutes, that you were watching this thing. Did it ever cross your mind?

Did you ever get the urge to climb down and go check this thing out? It did cross my mind, especially like 10 minutes into it. But, yeah, and I had my 30, I mean, I had a 30-30 with me. So, I mean, it's like, but it was just one of those cases of,

if I go down there and touch it or step in, to it. You know, I think even, you know, it's in the back of my mind, like, and it disappears or goes wherever it comes from, is it going to take me with it? Yeah. Yeah, like a time-traveling church. I mean, seriously. Yeah. I mean, it's just like, wow. Yeah, like, I'm, like, I'm comfortable. I got a good advantage if something bad comes out of it. I can plug it from this distance, but, I don't know. I'll just sit back and watch it.

See what happens. Yeah, man. That's just, wow, that's fascinating. It's fascinating. Now, I mean, if it was me, I mean, I can't say for sure what I would do, but, God, I think the curiosity would kill me. And I think I would just, I would have to get closer at least. I mean, cautiously, but my Lord, I mean, that's just insane stuff, man. Thank you for sharing that because.

When you sent that to me in the email, I was like, what the heck? It's crazy. So you're in the woods and you're hunting. You see the church. Now, since we're in the woods, is that where you saw the Bigfoot activity? I saw the Bigfoot activity, you know, in the woods, actually in this general area. But it wasn't in that spot because my first... you know, cross with what I believe, I really do believe it was a big foot, was, it was when I was actually 16.

And actually, no, I was probably, I was just fixing and turn 16 because I didn't have my license yet. But, you know, it lived in a state park, and I would go for a walk every night because I was homeschooled and we lived up in this state park. part, you know, my parents got a wonderful job, but there was nothing for me to do. And so every night, I'll go for a walk. I'd pray a little bit, but mainly just walk, get out of the house because I could tell you before. You know, there's only one TV in the house, and my dad had control the remote. Yeah. And so what else am I doing?

We'll go out and go for a walk at night, you know. just kill time and get a little exercise. But, and actually my parents had a cocker spaniel. And so his name was Boomer. My dad's a Sooner fan. And so I would take Boomer on a leash because, you know, Boomer, the Wonder Dog, would take off running after every varmint. And I just, in that one, I learned early on keep him on a leash,

or I'm going to be chasing him through the woods trying to get it back. And so, I was walking along and there is a day-use-only road on this loop that I'd walk. And I had, by this point, I was so used to walk in

and comfortable enough out in the wood that literally I could walk it without flashlight and be fine. But I had this, really, those small maglite, but with the old mag lights, you know, it wasn't LED.

It was like the old bulb, and the battery is real weak. I mean, it barely lit up, you know, boomer when he was at my feet. But I brought it kind of as an, just in case, you know, I needed to potentially try to light something up. But, you know, I was walking. We cut down this day-use-only road. Now, the locals call this area Outlaw crossing. That's because there's a low spot, and there's a trail that cuts up through the State Park.

And the outlaws across there, across the river there, there's a stone steps carved into the mountain. And the legend is actually Conquithadors carved, or had the steps carved by Indians they enslaved, or tried to enslave. It didn't work out real well for them. But so the outlaws would ride their horses down this ridge. You know, there's this little, this ridge up above, and they'd ride down these stone steps, and they'd cross the river there. And so there is a tree, and it's kind of funny because, you know, the dog would piss on the tree, and then I would also, you know,

kind of would decide to pee. I would, you know, take a fit there. And the dog, I mean, I was just, I swear as a nightly routine. It's kind of funny in hindsight. But the dog comes up to a tree and he starts acting real weird. And like, almost like excited but nervous. And so, I mean, I'm shining the light down at Boomer. I'm like, Boomer, what is the deal?

What's going on? and then her noise, it was off to my right, and I shined over and lit up a pair of red eyes. Now, I was on a little bit of a rise above the road, and so I think it was like a foot and a half drop to the road. And where the eyes were at, it actually dropped down a little bit more. And so, but the eyes were taller than me. And so it had to be like eight, eight and a half feet tall. I mean, lit up the eyes. And when the light hit the eyes, it slowly backed up.

I mean, the light was so weak, all I was seeing eyes. But it slowly backed up and it turned around. And I can tell you, it walked off. And at the time, I really wasn't sure. And so I was just like, Boomer, we're just going to have to hit this tree later, buddy. We're going. We're calling it and nights. And so we didn't run, but we walked, I mean, straight back to us.

We didn't finish our loop. And I told my family, I said, yeah, I saw, yeah, some red eyes out there. And my dad said, well, you know, it could have been a rat or something. I think he thought, like, I meant a shine red eyes kind of lower the ground. I didn't really tell them how tall it was. And so at the time, I really wasn't sure. And then it wasn't until, well, I was, several years later, I was at a cabin. And some people had, or the cabin owners had paid me the kind of, kind of,

cut down some brush and stuff and so where the cabin can be seen from the road. And we're talking like a two-day project. Out there with a chainsaw, cutting it low, and what I call loppers. Just cutting everything low and then having to set fire and, you know, pile it up and just burn it down. There's enough cabins around there that, and I'm just nervous enough about fire. that if I get a fire going, I'm not leaving until it's the fire burns down. And so, especially with those cabins, like, I don't want, you know, small fire break down. And I'm, you know, a couple million in debt because, you know, X amount of cabins burnt in this area.

Right. And so I was out there. I had a friend's He had a 12-gauge shotgun with a pistol grip Now he had a loaned to me to actually do some work on And it was kind of in rough shape And kind of got it cleaned up And he

I was all I had in it was Because the worst thing I was expecting was Snakes And And anyways When out out there and, you know, fire is burning, and it's starting to burn down low. There's a creek going behind the cabin, and all I had was, like, one of those big gold cups.

And so I walked down in the cabin, and I'm scooping up water, and I'm starting to soak the area around where the fire was burning. And mentally cussing myself, because it did not mean to be out there so late. So I didn't have a flashlight with me. and also wishing I'd had a broad of water hose so I could have made this job a lot easier because I'm going back down to this cabin or back to this creek behind this cabin

probably after a few minutes of doing that there was this smell that came wafting down from the cabin or not the cabin from up up behind the other cabin next to us, but it was like upstream. It was a horrible smell, but I've been kind of having a feeling that I was being watched,

and nobody was saying these cabins. And, but I've been out in the woods enough. I know that, you know, like, hey, there's always some critter or, you know, raccoon. Something's watching me, so. But when that smell hit, it kind of, it kind of, it's like almost, me a direction. I started kind of looking off, you know, towards that direction, but I just kept scoop of water and back and forth. I started making me nervous enough that I walked over and I, um, my truck was parked over kind of in the, the start of the driveway, the cabin.

And I went ahead and turned it on, got it going and turned on the headlight. So it kind of clearly light up my path to the creek. Now, it was still dark about a creek, but I could still kind of see my light or my path. After doing that, the smell went away. So I just kind of shrugged it off. He finished thoroughly soaking the area around where this fire was at. And I think I went ahead and shut off the trucks. I didn't need the lights on it.

anymore. But I had left that shotgun in the back bed of my truck. And I was kind of, we leaned up against my tailgate, looking at the fire, just kind of mentally debating on when I was going to leave that area. And across the road behind me, I very clearly heard. like a stick snapping. It wasn't like a small little twig, but it was like a pretty good

stick, stick clean snaps. And I scared the snot at it. I had a reflex. I grabbed that 12-gauge shotgun

and chambered around. And I was just looking off in the dark. Darkness facing the road. And that's when it's like two and two. It starts to come together. I'm like, okay, there was a smell, you had this feeling being watched, and something just broke.

It sounded like, I mean, it's almost like intentionally snapped right across the road. So I'm like, that's why I was saying, like, might be a big foot here. And then it's like realizing, okay, granted, I have a shotgun, but I have, you know, I was preparing for, you know, freaking snakes. So all of God is all I'm going to do if I shoot it, if I get attacked, I'm going to do is just maybe there might be blood for the dog to trail, you know, trail it. But, I mean, all this was going through my mind, but it's like, this ain't going to do nothing except piss it off.

But it just kind of stood there and just kind of kept scanning the darkness. I didn't hear any step. or anything like that but after about a minute or two for a good because

you'd have to understand that because like basically I was looking into the woods which is

on its road but barely shortly after you like step in those woods it starts to go uphill and then I heard

further up the hill and very loud like Like someone took like a small tree and clean, I mean, snap or a big limb and it's a huge crunch snap. I mean, just real loud, real distinct. And, you know, but there's no crashing of it hitting the ground like you would expect a limb that big to fall. You'd expect to hear it fall and hit the ground.

Nothing. It was just real loud crunch. but it was further up the hill and I got a sense it was just letting me know that it's moving away and at that point I'm like this fire is burned down enough

I think I'm going to go ahead and go yeah so I left but after that that's when I actually kind of you know just kind of two and two I got to think about my previous experience about the red eyes and about the heights and yeah it was just like I'm on the bed it's a big foot you know and I've got a I've got a friend that's

really big into it to me I texted him I said dude you're not going to believe what happened and he goes dude he came back I'm telling you he says you that that was a big foot but you always don't want to talk about the most awful stench man I've smelled skunks I've smelled some pretty nasty roadkill, you know, out here. I've just, and they're, that's a distinct smell. And actually, since my employment, I've smelled dead people. And then I've also melt the burning of trash and of, you know, overseas and we're out in the middle of nowhere out in these little fobs and check, you know, we call it RRPs, radio relay points, you know, we'd have to burn, you know, our own crap twice a day.

You know, the thing about, things like Jarhead where he's stirring the pot as is burning. Yeah. I mean, I've even smelled that smell. I'd tell you right now, there's no smell. I've smelled many smells, bad smells in my life, but there's none like what I smelled that night. Okay, yeah, I got you. So, uh, we're going to take on the final break of the show. And when we come back, we'll jump right back into things.

with Seth. Stay with us, everybody. You describe some very common things that people describe in Bigfoot encounters. When it comes to the red eyes, could you tell how far apart the eyes were from each other? Good question. I never really thought about it. I mean, they were far apart. If I had to guess in gauging distance,

I would say probably somewhere around like six inches. Okay. I mean, that would be clearly large, to say the least. Now, all right, so you got red eyes, you got to stink. You know, I listen to a lot of different cryptic encounters and paranormal stuff. And, you know, there's things that cross over, you know, to different subjects. I know a lot of times people like keep containing things.

like, oh, dog man is this and Bigfoot's that and ghosts are this and let's not cross the lines. But, I mean, just a simple idea. Where else do you hear about red eyes? You hear about red eyes where people see demons. Where do you hear about the stench? Well, you hear about the stench, you know, when it comes to dog man sometimes. And so where do you hear about the seclusion where they want to let you know they're there without you actually seeing them? Well, that's also dogman as well.

Now, granted, a lot of dogman encounters are in your face, aggressive and scary as heck. But there have been, you know, these similarities. And, you know, it just makes me wonder sometimes. I talk to, you know, Wes Germer about this kind of stuff a lot. And, you know, it just makes you wonder, are we missing something? Is there relatable things on all ends of the perspective here that kind of tie into each other? I don't know, but it's very interesting, especially like when you say about the red eyes and stuff, because I personally have seen, they weren't red eyes.

They were like more orangey, yellow-looking eyes myself looking at me through a window. And it scared everything out of me. Like, I was so scared. I was scared of death when I saw that. And so, you know, and that whole night was a very paranormal. haunting night for me. And so it's just, I find it very interesting. When you saw the red light, well, not red lights, when you saw the red eyes, was, do you think it was just something to do with your light hitting the eyes and creating a red color? Or do you think that their eyes

actually project a red color? I don't know. I've heard birth, both theories. I'm a fan of the Cascar's Chronicles, too. But I think in that case, because they didn't, I didn't see them until the light hit them. And so I think in that case, it may have just been the light in it. Because, I mean, like I said, it was a weak, weak light. But, you know, it's like, I don't know. I've seen enough weird things in my lifetime that, I mean, it's one of us, I've learned to just stay open to the possibilities and to not rule out something just because, yeah, I can't really wrap my mind around.

Yeah, I absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because the moment you start thinking in the box, you exclude any other things that might pop up. up that are outside of your typical line of thought. And so you got to keep your mind open. It reminds me of a time, probably, I would say probably about a year and a half, two years ago, it's before the show started and I was still feeling my way around the whole Bigfoot topic. And I had somebody contact me saying that they had Bigfoot activity on their property.

They sent me pictures of prints they found on their lawn. And she had said that this thing, will come up to the window and look in the window at her, and the eyes are glowing. And she also told me the eyes project light. And she sent me a video of the, of the, the eye shine, the eye glow in the window. And you could see whatever it was. And I think from the video, there was only one light. So I don't know if it was like its head was turned sideways or what. But you could see this one light moving around.

through the window. Like you could see it through the blinds. Like the blinds were, I think the blinds were closed and you could still see this thing or something. I can't remember exactly. But she did say that the lights project or the eyes projected light. And then I wasn't prepared to handle something like that. I was like, well, that's impossible because Bigfoot is just an animal that we haven't discovered yet. And but now I approach things a little bit more open-mindedly. And I try to at least. And, you know, I'm not sure if we know what Bigfoot is totally. You know, obviously we don't know what Bigfoot is, but like, I mean, people share stories where it seems so animal, you know, it just seems like an animal. And then other people share stories where it doesn't seem like an

animal at all. And it just makes me wonder, man, like, what are we really dealing with here? I know I'm there with you especially when people talk to you know you hear about the course

or people talk about like the little people or gnomes you know and just like you know but also

you know you look back and there's legends of I mean like our old the old fairy tales I mean

think about that is it the the goblin or whatever lives underneath the the bridge and eats the goats. I mean, I'm used as an example.

Right. Where do those come from? I mean, you know, surely, yeah. I mean, maybe people saw something. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

I mean, some of these legends and stuff, you got to think they come from somewhere. I mean, it's, there's got to be truth in some,

some of these legends, you know, like the fairies and all that stuff. It's just, there's so much going on. I mean, the more I'm in this,

more, I'm like, there's so much going on, and we don't even know one percent of it. I mean, really, there's, it's crazy. We're living in a crazy world. What can I say? It really is. It's not the normal that, you know, we've been taught to think the world is. It's very, very different from that. So, you know, speaking of, you know, that kind of stuff and the oddities, dude, like you've had a haunted warehouse experience and you've had this what we'll call a church appear right before you you've had this big foot experiences you know like that's a lot of stuff all tied up into one person right and then you have the UFO experience well we'll get into that in a second uh there's i hear people and i just heard this in a recent interview you know the

idea of certain people having more activity in their life than other people. And a similarity is that they all have a common blood type. And I think it was RH positive or RH negative. I know it's a random, stupid, weird question, and you may not even know, do you know what blood type you are? Yeah. I've got to know for the military. Oh, yeah, that's true. What are you? Oh, positive. Okay. All right. That question actually came up in deer camp this year because the year before at deer camp is when like a whole pack of Bigfoot's were around. And that's a whole nother story. But so this year, you know, my brother and I were sitting around the camp with my niece and tried some whoops.

And, of course, no Bigfoot's game. but we were talking about and I you know especially talking with my niece and was talking about some of the strange things that I've experienced

and my brother asked I said why why you and you know some of it being you know the church was right in front of me and the red eyes that was right in front of me

but since I joined the military and especially since I've deployed, anybody that's deployed will understand. You become aware of, or you try to stay vigilant about what's around you, about seeing, you know,

kind of paying attention to stuff out of the corner of your eyes. And looking for little things. You know, driving overseas and we drive them convoys, it's the little telltales that would potentially you know when I kind of set off your your spider senses

or whatever people want to call it that there's an ambush or something up ahead and something as random as a rag being tied around you know

like say because in our rack we took down the guardrails because they were hiding ID's on them but there were still guardrail post out there and be driving down the road

and you would would see like a rag tied on a post. It was just, it's almost like a marker. And most people would see something like that and go on their way. But it's like I've still got, still got that. I still pay attention. And so I think, you know, why I've noticed stuff or I'm a lot more vigilant now and is because, you know, I'm not, I'm not focused on the cell phone in front of me, you know.

I'm paying attention to what's going on around. I mean, if something changes, I try to pay attention. Yeah, that makes sense. It absolutely makes sense the fact that you're a little bit more aware than the average person just because of your training. I mean, you're in a high intensity situation 24-7. it's kind of hard to shake that once you've been totally engulfed in that for any period of time, I'm sure. So why don't we talk about this UFO experience as you had? Tell us what happened.

Okay. Basically, you know, wasn't anything dramatic or wasn't anything. It was, you know, you go outside and you see satellites in the sky. You know, just real clear. Yeah, I mean, people say that, say that they see satellites. I can never pick it out. So, I mean, I've heard of that, though. Well, especially if you come out in the country and it's not as much ambient light, you know, it's easier to spot.

And at the moment, you know, just kind of said. And I saw what, you know, trek along what I thought was a satellite. And I still even now, if I see them, I'll stop and look at them because I think it's kind of cool. to see a satellite, you know, even though it looks like a little dying, you know, still. And so I was watching it. And, and right as it kind of got above me, it stopped going from a steady straight line to like it went into a circle. Like it basically, I mean, it just went around, it went in a circle, and then it disappeared.

And then it was like, wow, that's no aircraft. I mean, as fast as it moved, because, I mean, it picked up speed to do it, and it disappeared. And it was like, there's no aircraft that I know of that would do that. And so, it's just, you know, mind-boggling went and, you know, I told my parents, like, you're not going to believe what I just saw. And my dad's like, oh, it's probably some military aircraft. They fly over here all the time. I don't think that was a military aircraft, but okay. Yes.

I mean, it's easy to kind of brush it off as something. The first thing that pops in your mind, but when you really think about what you saw and stuff, I mean, you start thinking that it's not natural. I mean, maybe it was a military aircraft, and we just don't know that they have a certain technology to do certain things. And, you know, at one time, the nuclear bomb was a surprise to everybody, you know what I mean? Like, at one time that that was like unheard of. we couldn't we couldn't even fathom something like that and now it's just old hat you know uh so you know maybe it's possible but also maybe it's something else totally you know uh what do you think you know

you of like obviously UFO the definition in itself is unidentified flying objects so uh you know outside of that when it comes to the idea of people saying that you know this is extraterrestrial what what are your thoughts on that kind of stuff do you do you think that there's extraterrestrial crafts or do you think this is more of like a top secret kind of thing? Well, it's like I'm open to both. One, you know, I look at the universe and it would not surprise me at all if God created. I mean, different worlds, different beings and, you know, out there. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

but give an example I'm a chimney sweep inspector and I went out to a job and was doing some work on this couple and they lived out in the middle of nowhere I mean like I kid you not out the middle of nowhere and I mean nice ranch house that they had built up on a hill surrounded by miles of empty pasture land

and these are very down to earth, very old-fashioned, god-fearing people. But old-fashioned in the gentleman, he's like 60, 65, and he thought I was doing him wrong on deal. And he was like, I'm not afraid to throw down with young buck. I said, whoa, whoa, hold on. Yeah, I explained, you know, I was like, all right, see, you're, I'm not screwing you. And so once I laid out the facts, he was like, okay. And so, I mean, and then they fed me.

I mean, he was like fed me meatloat at dinner. I mean, but they told me, they said, you're not going to believe this. So they said that one night, three, basically three bright lights, but they were in the shape of triangle, came down and landed in their pasture. And they saw it.

They think they had their adult kids that were there. They saw it and stood and watched it. It said it landed in the pasture and it was down there for like 10 seconds or something. And then it took off these light, stayed in formation and flew off. And I remember here,

hearing and reading in the paper about other people saw that. Well, he told me he went down there the next day to the pasture, and there was, he calls them like a half circle indentions in the ground where the ground was missing. It almost looks like they came down, they took soil samples, and then they were gone. But, I mean, these are people, they weren't, they didn't, they didn't, they very, old fashioned, very God-fearing. And I believe them. I absolutely believe that that's what they saw.

And I'm pretty sure that if I'd asked him to, he would probably take me down there and showed me the holes. But, you know, I was there to finish up the job and, you know, get on to that other clients had to take care of that day. Wow. So, I mean, when it comes to this stuff, I mean, people are experiencing stuff. And I don't think, I think most people, when they share their experiences,

most people aren't, you know, so narcissistic that they got to make up an extravagant story just to get some strangers' attention. You know what I mean? Like, that's just not really in the ballpark for most people. So what they described you, I mean, you would have no reason to doubt them. The fact that it happened to them, and did you say this was like kind of like, out in the middle of nowhere? Yeah, it was in the middle of nowhere.

Okay. So, I mean, how do I say this? I mean, do you think that what they experienced was extraterrestrial? Or do you think that what they experienced was more, you know, governmental or just mental? I know it's not mental, but, you know. Yeah, I know what you mean. Honestly, I would think extraterrestrial. because since essentially when it comes to like the lights and the formations I've seen you know I've gone online and looked I've seen a video of this type of you know the lights and triangle thing flying a formation outside at airline an airliner and you know I've seen videos of the lights you know staying in the formate was it the Phoenix lights and I read it's funny because people the explanation oh that was

that was flares from a formation of jets. And I've been overseas. I've seen them deposit their flares. I know the flares that they're talking about. And flares don't do that. And so it's just in those cases, I'm all for extraterrestrial. And to be honest, you know, I wouldn't blame the government for not, you know, I mean, I think that, like I said, I'm open to both. fully open to there's new technology out there that's constantly being tested.

Yeah. So some things being seen, probably new technology, but in a lot of these cases, like so, especially this couple, you know, I think extraterrestrial. Because we go to the moon, or we've gone to the moon. We send stuff to Mars. You know, what's the big thing? Soil samples. So why wouldn't, if there's another race of aliens out there or what we perceive as aliens,

you know, and they come here, whether it's sending machines or they actually show up, you know, why wouldn't they get samples, you know, soil samples and samples of vegetation? That's what we would do. You know, that's a good point. I mean, you're absolutely right on that. I mean, what are we trying to do? We're trying to go to Mars and bring back samples, right? I mean, it's exactly what we're trying to do.

And so, yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, to take samples would be, I think, just a natural scientific idea to do. It's very fascinating, man. That's a very fascinating story. And even, you know, your story, too, it's just like there's things that people see in the sky and we don't know what it is. I'm kind of on the same line as you, though. I mean, I don't object to the idea of there being extraterrestrials. And at the same time, I think sometimes what people are experiencing are more maybe governmental, you know, spacecraft or not spacecraft, but aircraft that just really isn't on the radar yet, you know, so. And I'm not opposed to them keeping that secret either. I mean, I don't think we need to know everything, you know, because, you know, sometimes things are best left unsaid, you know, because if we know everything that the government has, then so do our enemies. So that kind of defeats the purpose. So. But, but.

Yeah, man, listen, I really appreciate you coming on here and sharing these experiences. When it comes to all this different stuff that you've experienced, is there any kind of like, it's hard to summarize everything into one cohesive sentence or idea here. But with everything that you've experienced, has there ever been any kind of conclusions that you've come to, like enlightening conclusions with all the stuff that you've experienced that makes you just kind of like look at life a different way after you've experienced all stuff and you look back at it? Well, I know that no matter what, you know, with my faith that God's in control.

You know, it's like this conclusion I've come to, I'll never get all the answers. And a lot of times when I stumble or come to a conclusion, all that does is leave me to more questions, which in case, in some cases is fun. But sometimes it's just absolutely frustrating. know. And so, you know, during my last tour, I'll give you the Cliff Notes version, we got a really crappy mission. We had to drive some vehicles from Boulod to, I'm sorry, from Q.S. to Bollad. It's about like five, six hour drive. And, but the equipment, but the equipment was in really, really bad shape.

We did what we could, the whole bailing wire, duct tank. I mean, just, you know, extra fluids, just, all right, we're going to make it wrong. We've got to do this at night. And it was through an area that was just kind of nerve-wracking mission. So the prompts to keep the clip notes. I was nervous about the details of the mission, and we rolled out the gate, and I was praying. On the just pray. And I would scan the road in front of me from left to right and look down at my gauges and then right to left across my gauges.

Because when the gauges work, keywords when they're working good, that's your first indication that you're having trouble with your vehicle. And, I mean, it was just doing it. I mean, it was just a pattern, routine. And about two hours in this convoy, I looked up. And there in the truck, the truck in front of me, there was, I saw two angels pushing this truck. I suddenly had a piece. Now, yeah, I can rub my eyes and kind of blinked and like, all right, I'm not seeing anything. I watched them for like half a minute.

I mean, I could see them. They were just pushing this truck in front of me. And before they came up on the truck, they had to be 12 feet tall, pushing this truck. And I had a piece. It's like, all right. God got this, you know. And after about half a minute watching and pinched myself a couple times, I glanced down on my gauges and then glanced back up and they were gone.

But I was okay. And none of the equipment broke down, which I'm telling you. miracle. But after the mission, I went up to those guys and I said, hey, tell me about your truck. And they said, how do you know about our truck? I said, you don't believe me. Just tell me about your truck. And they said, you know, we, we drove, it drove fine. You know, we stopped outside the gate with any, any veteran, you don't just drive on base. You don't just drive on base. There's a series of stops. But they, you know, stopped, you know, got checked in, stopped, cleared weapons.

And drove it to where we had to party. They said literally they pulled it up into the place where they're supposed to park it, and the engine just died. And they tried to restart it and it wouldn't restart. And I kept tabs on the truck. Maintenance had to work on that truck two days straight for that truck would even turn over. and so with that, which I had faith in God before that, but I mean, it's just, I, no matter, I mean, I'm not going to have answers for what all is going on in this world. And like I said, in some cases, it's going to be fun trying to find answers.

With some of my, you know, there are some things I don't strive to find answers for, really. but I just know that God's got me. I'm in his hands, that he's, no matter what happens in this crazy world, and that he's got it. And so, I mean, that's just, that's where my faith is at. You know, maybe one day when I die, you know, if I deem it important enough once, you know, I'm on the other side, I'll ask him, hey, can you try it. explain this to me, you know, you know, show me how you got laid out.

Well, I mean, I totally get where you're coming from, but we're not done now because you just said you saw angels. So I have to ask you. I mean, come on. Like, I like, I'm, you're the first person that I have talked to that said they have seen angels now. I've heard people say, actually, I take that back. A guy in college said he saw angels, but I'll remember ever asking him what he saw. My grandfather said that people told him that angels were guarding him when he was younger, but

let's just dive into this for just a couple minutes here. You see... I got all the time for you. You see two angels pushing this vehicle, and you said that they are around 12 feet

tall, which right there, like, reminded me of my grandfather's story of when he said that these people, when he said that these people, when they came down this driveway, they would see these huge angels guarding their camp. And so, like, the idea is, you know, that's a very common thing, that these angels can be huge. But at the same time, they can be human size as well, because in the Bible, Paul says, to be very hospitable because you

never know when you're going to be in the presence of angels. So, I mean, we know that angels could look just like humans. Now, you said you saw angels. Is that because they looked like you're, like the idea of an angel, which is like wings and, and like, garment and stuff? Or did they look like just 12-foot-tall human beings pushing a vehicle? I'd say 12-foot- tall human beings. I mean, they were from, like, the neckline down. It was white. But I didn't see wings on them. I mean, I could tell. And it's like the motion, I mean, you could tell they were like just pushing. I mean, this truck. But one has... I mean, they had hair.

One had, like, kind of a, I call it like a dirty blonde type hair. The other one had kind of a darker hair. But, I mean, God, they were freaking huge. So, but, I mean, they were just sadly pushing. And, I mean, I got, I said, I wouldn't, I mean, I was driving the truck. I mean, it was very caffeinated. And then also the kind of the drilling, the area that we're driving through, or that route, there was two groups that were operating at that time.

And they kind of specialized in hitting convoys at night. And so, I mean, it was just kind of, you know, nerve-wracking, driving through that area at night. And it was just, I mean, I got, my mom. I said about to hide down the truck. They're about 12 feet tall. I mean, that's, I can tell you. Okay.

Well, I mean, when you say that they were white from the head down, are you talking like it was like a white silhouette? Like, there's no detail clothing or anything like that? Or was it like white clothing? I would have to say probably like a white clothing type. Like it wasn't like a silhouette. I mean, it almost looked like a garment or, you know, clothes almost like

we joke around they're freaking comfortable ain't a lot I've got one overseas they call man dresses you ever seen you know men wearing the traditional but the solid yeah you know outfit yeah I mean

it's something solid and white like that but you know it wasn't I mean they were they're broad talking about broad shouldered I mean they're they're big yeah i can imagine i really i can imagine i uh wow so let me ask you i mean you see these

two angels pushing this vehicle you know you're not the only one there it's not like you were alone and i mean i i imagine nobody else saw it or else you would have said it why you what why do you think you had the ability to see these angels do you think that it was something that they allowed you to see, or do you think it's something that, like, you were, for lack of better terms, prepared or ready to see? I think maybe it was both. Yeah, there's the old saying there's no atheists in a foxhole. You know, I didn't go over it.

Yeah. But literally, I mean, literally miracle after miracle. I mean, people stuff, people would shrug off. But you would have a short, you would have short. example, I called my dad and he said, hey, what happened Tuesday at 2 a.m. And then, of course, there came math equation. I had to stop and think about the time zones. And I said, why? He says, God woke me and your mother up and told us to pray. And so we prayed. What happened? He didn't know it, which I told him. I said, oh, I was in

mortar a tent. And he didn't know it, but we're on a small outpost. There was a coordinated attack on the post. They detonated, they blew up a fuel truck. front gate, a rocketed the back gate and dropped mortars on this compound. And it wasn't big compound. I mean, it was very coordinated. But when they blew up the fuel truck, it was a tanker full of fuel, right? I mean, think 18 wheeler, a fuel tanker, right? Fuel.

Wow. And the cab of the truck was just gone. But there wasn't a scratch on that fuel tanker. Had that gone, I wouldn't be talking to you today. I mean, it probably wiped out the compound that we were in, probably half the village, you know? And, I mean, with the more attack, everything happened, nobody, including me, got a scratch on us.

I mean, there is an atheist. And, like, I mean, going in, he was very much an atheist. and we were walking to the motorpool and he said he goes guys you know I'm a I'm an atheist he says you know that he says but I'm not an atheist anymore he says was as many times if we've been attacked and stuff has happened and we've walked away without a scratch when we shouldn't have walked away at all he says I know there's a god there's something watching over us and so I mean with that it's just I think that I mean that was where I was at which I mean, I was, I mean, I just, I knew there was a God that not in, you know, and just praying. I think, I think just calm me down. I was allowed to see those angels. But, you know, and it's one of those things where I didn't think about it so much from then, but afterwards,

there's that story in the Bible when I think, what's his name? Elisha. It wasn't Elijah. I think it was Elisha. when the army surrounded the town, the little city that he was in, the Old Testament, and his servant came out,

I mean, and saw the army around him and, you know, freaked out. Who wouldn't? You know, like, we're going to die,

you know? And, uh, he said, you know, hey, don't worry, those that are with us are greater than those that are against us.

And the servant, the servant said you know or Elisha said sorry my phone kind of beeped and I just make sure I know the Elijah said hey

God you know God opened his eyes and when the servant's eyes are open and he saw an army of fire I think is a description surrounding that army and so I think God knew all it took

was for me to see two angels because I mean I was at peace after that I was fine and relaxed. But, I mean, I think it was just God said, God saying, you know, hey, I'm going to open your eyes and you're going to see these two angels in front of you. You know? Yeah.

You knew that I didn't need to see any more angels, but, you know, because good God. I think with just those two angels, you know, we could have been attacked. If those two angels are on duty, we're going to be fine. yeah no man you bringing up that elisha story i mean that i mean it really it makes it makes sense it absolutely makes sense uh i i think it's fascinating i think that uh the fact that you saw angels and you didn't even think to put it in my email i i scratched my head and i'm like how because like i'm telling you man like like that stuff is i find it so fascinating that people do see angels and uh

you know, why wouldn't they? I mean, how many times we hear people say they've seen demons, you know, and they've had oppression from demons and all that stuff? Well, if that's real, then sure, why wouldn't, you know, the opposite be real as well and happening? So I just think it's fascinating that you were able to share that, man. I really appreciate that. So, uh, well, I'll tell you what, Seth, man. I really appreciate you coming on here tonight and just chatting with me and stuff. I don't want to hold you any longer. But it was just, I can only say it was a real pleasure talking to you. So I really appreciate it. Well, thank you for having me. I mean, I enjoy it, hopefully, especially on the angelic side, you know, people realize that, you know, yeah, there's

stuff we don't see that, like said, from my faith and for those that believe in God know, And maybe they'll hear and just kind of take comfort and strength from that. Yeah, absolutely, man. Well, I really appreciate it. And I will talk to you later. If you have any other things that happen, just get a hold of me. You got my email. Okay.

We'll do. All right, brother. Take care. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. I absolutely love talking to Seth and hearing some of the stories he had, especially that disappearing church. Absolutely fascinating.

And I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. I just remind you guys, we are going to Frank Saris Library next Saturday, April 14th in Cannonsburg, Pennsylvania. The event starts at 1 o'clock. It's a Bigfoot Town Hall meeting, and I hope that if you're considering going, that you do commit to going, and I see you there next Saturday, April 14th. And if anybody else can't go, I'll see you right here next Saturday at 6 p.m. on the confessionals. Take care, everybody.