The Confessionals - 647: Territory Of The Beast
Episode Date: April 30, 2024In episode 647: Territory Of The Beast, Wes Germer from Sasquatch Chronicles, and Tony begin the show with a discussion on 'Sasquatch and the Missing Man', the new Merkel Media documentary, which cent...ers around Wes' bone chilling story. They explore hair-raising encounters with creatures like Bigfoot and Dogman, particularly a thrilling story from Provo, Utah. They speculate on the interdimensional origins of these beings, connecting the dots with global folklore and the mysterious metallic sounds often reported during sightings. They also navigate the broader implications of UFO phenomena, the intersection of spirituality with cryptid research, and the role of dreams in deciphering these mysterious encounters.Wes Germer: https://sasquatchchronicles.com/Sasquatch and the Missing ManWatch the Live Premiere on REPLAY here: https://www.moment.co/sasquatchTeaser Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3b4tTY9bssThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinWatch The Shape of Shadows: merkelfilms.comWatch Expedition Dogman: merkelfilms.comAFFILIATESPrepare with Valley Food Storage: https://alnk.to/2uG55AOGet your Nephilim Blaster 2000: https://alnk.to/9mnHak1Bluecosmo Satellite phones: https://alnk.to/e769EipSee Bigfoot with Sionyx night vision: https://alnk.to/bEhxr3FEmergency medical with My Medic: https://alnk.to/dpr6QM4Black Beard Fire Starters: https://alnk.to/4BFcIbeEcoFlow Power Generators: https://alnk.to/flvpAQwGoDark Faraday Bags: https://alnk.to/5jke3rkEMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase!SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: contact@theconfessionalspodcast.comSubscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - MissingYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify
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before you go skipping the intro, I know you guys like doing that.
Last year we came out with The Shape of Shadows.
This year we're doing Sasquatch and Missing Man.
Me and Wes Gummer from Sasquatch Chronicles, you know the guy.
We went to Ground Zero where he had his Bigfoot encounter, and we investigated.
We hunted the Bigfoot, and crazy stuff happened.
If you want to see that documentary, we are doing a world premiere on May 5th.
That's Sunday, May 5th.
If you want tickets to that event, link is in the description below.
Go ahead and check it out.
Get your tickets, and go ahead and skip the intro now.
This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it.
I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear.
When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me.
And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen.
And he starts running and firing up this giant.
The giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast.
And spears Dan holds him up like this.
Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.
They basically decapitated.
Spurses, that splice him, when he got something pulling at my leg.
And I look over, and there are two small gray entities pulling it.
And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed.
And in this bush, and I touch air.
Couldn't breathe.
and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster.
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Today we have Wes Gher from Sasquatch Chronicles coming on the show to talk about Bigfoot
dogman where we believe these things come from. A great conversation with Wes in preparation for
the upcoming documentary Sasquatch and The Missing Man where we are featuring his story.
The live premiere for that documentary is on this Sunday, May 5th at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
If you want tickets to this live premiere, it's a digital, virtual live premiere. All you got to do is go
to moment.c-o slash Sasquatch. Link in the description of this episode. You can get yourself your
tickets there and you will watch it there.
So if you want to watch Sasquatch and the Missing Man, where Wes Gürmer talks about his encounter story, we go investigate the location and we talk to other people who have had encounters in that area.
You're not going to want to miss this live premiere of Sasquatch and the Missing Man this Sunday May 5th at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
Now, let's get to Wes in this great conversation about Dogman, Bigfoot, where they come from.
And he talks about some stories he's had on his show right now.
All right, today we have Wes Gher from Sasquatch Chronicles.
Wes, what's going on, man?
What's going on, Tony? Good to be here, man.
Listen, it's been almost 500 episodes, I think, since you've actually officially been on the Confessionals.
Wow, that long, huh?
I mean, I've been on your show here and there and stuff, but I think the only time, actually having you on by yourself solo.
because when I had you on
by yourself solo,
it was for episode 52,
and we covered your
Bigfoot encounter.
And then I think it was like
two other times after that
I had you on for what we were calling
the think tanks and people still say,
oh,
you should do another think tank.
And I'm like,
I'm not a big fan of thinking anymore.
Like,
I'd rather not.
You know?
Yeah.
But, I mean,
it's been a long time, man.
And we have,
we have this
documentary coming out,
Sasquatch and the missing man.
I'll tell you what, man.
It's featured,
it's featuring heavily you
and your story
in the documentary.
And it was probably
one of the hardest things
to find a name for.
Because I was like,
how do I name this?
Like it's about Sasquatch,
but we have this like missing
401 thing.
And then Joseph is like
Sasquatch and the missing man.
Keep it simple.
And like,
perfect.
I like that title, actually.
I like that a lot.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, they found that missing, man.
But I like...
Yeah, so...
Sorry, did I give away the ending?
I was joking.
You ruined my documentary, man.
You know, I think...
I think that they suspect that the remains are his, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So in my book, the jury's still out.
Here's the thing, though.
I mean, like, what do you think about it?
I mean, it's interesting because they, all right, so what they didn't say in the Facebook post is information that I was told by John's ex-fiancee, which is that when they actually made a search party.
And through that whole area, they combed, they found four dead bodies, but none of them were Johns.
And so now months later, there's another human remains pile.
and they suspect it's John.
And so I personally don't have a whole lot of high hopes
in that because they found four of their bodies
that weren't Johns to begin with.
Do you have any information on that other than what I just shared?
No, basically what you said is what I got.
They found a bunch of dead bodies up there.
Remember I told you people go up there missing all the time
and it's rarely, even people from this area
don't realize how many people go missing right there.
A couple of years back, I was looking into this guy,
It was some kid.
I say kid.
It was like 20 or 21.
And he drank, I guess, say claim he was drunk.
And he fell into the river and drowned.
You've seen the river.
You can't drown.
I mean, you can walk across.
You can walk across the same.
And it just didn't add up.
But as far as what your question was, no, I haven't,
I got that they found another one and they think it's John.
They think it's a guy that was actually missing.
but I don't think anyone has total proof yet.
Yeah.
And the whole, the whole, the way they found it,
talking about it being a human skull and then body parts being found nearby,
that's, that's different, you know, like,
it to me, all right, so you can go down the Bigfoot route,
did Bigfoot tear somebody from lind to limb?
well, if they did, if it did, then why is it just being found now after they comb the area?
But what are the, I don't know the area as well as you do.
Is there a chance that that area might be a dumping grounds for like illegal activity?
Like people get killed, they chop them up and dump them up there?
No, I don't think it's known for that.
There's not like the cartel running through there.
and I don't think it's been known as a dumping ground.
But, I mean, there has been a lot of people go missing in that area.
The Native Americans basically, from the very beginning, they're like, we're not setting up shop here.
There's something wrong with this land.
And that's what Yacol means is Haunted Valley.
That's a Native American term of what they gave it.
And, you know, if you were living back in like the 1800s, that'd be a cool place to go set up shop.
You got fresh water, you got plenty of game.
You're relatively insulated from the heat and everything.
I mean, you have a lush forest, basically a jungle, and they refuse to set up shop there.
They're like, we're out of here.
So I don't know if there's like, it's cursed or what's going on.
It's a beautiful place.
At night, I think the atmosphere changes.
It doesn't feel like such a pretty beautiful place.
But during the day, it is.
So when you and your brother went up there,
Was that your first time going up there at night?
That was my first time there.
I'd never been to, I'd never been to, I'd never been to, I'd been to Moulton Falls several times, but I never drove past Moulton Falls.
And that's why I say the first night we were there, it's like, I kind of knew the area, but I didn't know exactly where we're at because I'd never driven back that far.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a beautiful area, but I can definitely, I am witness to the environment.
environment change at night.
And it was interesting is that the first night we went up there, it was dead.
Like there was, there was no activity.
It was just, honestly, it was boring.
I was just like, well, I hope we can muster a documentary out of this.
And, and I remember that second night that we went up there, it just all changed for us.
it started before we even got out of the RV,
the vocalizations, the knocking on the wall,
and it just kind of escalated from there.
And one thing that I'll tell you,
one thing that didn't make the documentary
that happened to Joel and I,
and it just didn't make it because we only had one person
running a camera and it wasn't caught on camera even remotely,
is that when we were outside in the rain,
and Joel had come back and we were all kind of getting ready to go back on the RV.
Joel and I were the last ones outside and we're standing next to the RV and we hear a deep guttural growl behind us.
Like hair stand up, you turn around thinking that it's going to be right there and there was nothing there.
We walked to the back of the RV, looked around the corner, didn't see anything there.
and then we got on the RV pretending that that was going to keep us safe.
But that happened and I was like, you know, it didn't go in the documentary because it just,
there was nothing there to document.
Like it wasn't literally filmed.
But it did happen to us.
And it takes me back to your story where you described that towards the beginning,
those things growling and you could feel it.
And, you know, kind of it took this, your experience.
and put it into real life for us
and knowing that we were having that,
all that other stuff happened around there
in the same area that you had there.
I understand why you don't go back up there, man.
Like, I wouldn't, if I,
if I experienced, would you experience,
I would have done the same thing.
I'd be like, you guys are crazy,
but I'm not going back.
I already saw the things.
I already saw the things.
There's a lot of people in that area, though,
that have had a lot of different experiences.
And I know you've been documenting,
obviously, on your show
for, gosh, I mean, when did you start your show, 2012? Something like that?
Yeah, I think it was 2012. 2012 or 2013? I think it was 2012.
A long time, man. Over 10 years, you've experienced a lot and talked to a lot of people.
Most recently, though, you talked, you had somebody on your show, and I think you told me it was in
Provo, Utah. Was the guy in Provo, Utah that had been staying on that property and that
activity. Could you let the people know about that? Because I know we have a crossover of audience and
stuff, but I think that story was one that I remember you called me about you. Like, dude, this story's
bananas. And I had people messaging me about it because of some of the things that happened during
that experience that he had. Yeah, the episode's called Three Months in Hell. And the gentleman that I
had on, he really wasn't into Bigfoot. Like Bigfoot wasn't even on his radar. And he found this
property and basically the guy had a RV on the property that he was running out and it was cheap,
it was easy, it was, so this kid moved into it. And literally from day one, these things start
tormenting him. They'd start hitting his RV. They'd growl at him. They'd run off. And he had pictures
of all the damage. He had video recordings. You could hear them hit on the side of the RV and then run off.
and it just got worse and worse and worse.
I mean, this kid was terrified.
He was absolutely terrified.
And he would, he would, he started sitting up cameras all around the RV and some
pointing to the home.
And he got some weird pictures.
I mean, some of them are blob squatches, but he got some really bizarre pictures.
He was saying one of these creatures was on the homeowner's roof.
And to me, that's kind of what it looks like.
you know, you and I get blob squashes all day long,
and people are like, oh, hey, there's 15 saskwatches in these bushes,
and you're like, all I see is bushes.
But this guy, I think he was captioned some real stuff.
I really do.
And he, this dog man thing showed up.
He didn't know what that was.
He talked about its teeth.
He said it was slobbering everywhere.
And the aggression towards,
him as you listen to the show,
it gets worse,
almost like they really wanted to kill him.
It got so bad,
I'm giving you like the summary of what happened,
but basically it got so bad that
he worked from home or from his RV,
so he never had to leave.
He barricaded himself in,
you know, this poor kid's like pinging
bottles, he's not going to the bat, you know,
he's not leaving the RV for anything.
And he's, you know,
guns to,
he has guns everywhere.
and he ended up leaving what was weird about the encounter and I said and
I figured this part out is the homeowner they were like terrified of the homeowner
which I don't get he would call the homeowner homeowner to rush over what's weird
about the homeowner is he never said that there were Sasquatch on the property the kid
was start describing to the homeowner what these creatures look like and
he never said yes and he never said no.
But the weird part is he never treated this kid like he was crazy.
Almost like he knew, but he didn't want to say he knew.
And the weird part is every time he called a homeowner,
the homeowner would immediately rush back to the RV.
Man, he said these creatures would scatter when this guy would show up.
They would absolutely run away.
And even this dog man creature would run,
I don't think the dog man, I think only made like one or two appearances,
but the other creatures would scatter and run away.
And the day he left the RV,
he would have his,
basically his gun on one hand,
a handful of stuff,
run out to his car,
throw in his car,
run back to the RV.
And he was making a couple,
he didn't want to go leave
and take all his stuff and then come back for a second load.
So he just loaded as much as he could into this car.
And he said,
while that was going on, they were around the woodline making all sorts of noise and running in
between the trees and almost like intimidation. And he said the weird part is the homerner came out
and he kind of lived over, I think on a little hill. It's not like they were next door to each other.
I mean, they were really close, but he was a little bit of a distance away. And he said,
the homeowner came out, started revving the motorcycle engine in front of his car, or in front of his car,
in front of his house.
Just wha,
wow,
wow,
wow,
for no reason.
And the kid was like,
I think he was doing that
as like,
giving me cover to leave.
He goes,
it was almost weird thing.
The weirdest thing I've ever seen.
He's never done that.
But from his home,
he could see the creatures,
and he could see the RV,
and he could see what was going on.
And,
you know, no,
hey,
goodbye, it was good seeing you,
that sort of thing.
Or, hey,
don't worry about,
the rent or he was just like, bye, but he was revving the engine trying to get the creatures
to kind of back off so he could get his stuff into his car so he could leave. So he left,
and he left behind like thousands of dollars with the stuff, brand new Xbox, brand new PlayStation.
It was a crazy story, man. There's more to it. I didn't sleep very much last night,
so I sound like I'm rambling. But he, I felt bad for this kid. I mean, you
could hear the emotion when he's talking about this.
This kid was scared.
Absolutely scared.
And when you see the damage, the pictures,
some of the videos,
he sent me,
I 100% believe what happened is what this kid said happened.
Yeah,
I mean,
the relationship here with the homeowner,
I mean,
you said you're having a hard time figuring it out.
I mean,
at the very least,
it sounds like the homeowner must have had
some kind of pre-existing
standing relationship with these things.
I don't know.
Relationship sounds almost friendly.
I don't think that is probably the case here.
But it's like something must have happened beforehand that these things recognized the homeowner and ran away.
I mean, unless maybe do you think that those creatures would have reacted to anybody going back there during those moments?
Or it has seemed like it was very particular, the homeowner, that there's something.
do with the homeowner.
Yeah, there was something
with the homeowner because the other
weird part, so he had a
mother-in-law studio
underneath this home,
and he rented that out to a family
with a child.
And this guy,
the guest had on the show,
he was saying that
I,
I didn't want,
he was worried about the kid, basically.
and but he didn't know how to tell the homeowner or the new renters that are over there.
Hey, by the way, I captured this dog man and he did have a weird picture.
I mean, it looks like a freaking canine.
And so he told the new homer eventually or the new renters eventually what was going on.
And I guess there was one night where this dog man thing showed up again.
and he said that he woke up the next day
and that new renter was gone
within a matter of like two weeks
they were gone.
They were leaving.
And so I don't know if
the impression I get is the homeowner,
this guy says he thinks the homeowner
was shooting at them and was very aggressive,
like he would just come for them.
And which is weird when you think about it.
how big these creatures are, how weird it is,
and you're just going to go in there charging at them,
you know,
with their size.
Something is very wrong.
Something didn't make sense with the homeowner.
He knew something.
I know a lot of my members were saying that,
oh,
he was the dog man.
I don't know if that's possible or not.
I love your members.
But, I mean,
when you listen to this kid's story,
I mean,
it doesn't sound that crazy.
It really doesn't sound that crazy.
crazy that this guy might be the dog man.
Because he was very aggressive towards these things.
And they scattered the minute he showed up.
They wanted nothing to do with this guy.
And I don't understand.
So it's like the, he's the king dog man.
He's the king dog man of the property.
I'll tell you, like, I'm glad that your members said that
because it kind of warms up the conversation.
because, you know, I know your show is about Sasquatch and everything,
but over the years, you've definitely done your fair share of episodes with Dogman.
What are your thoughts on the Dogman topic?
I mean, like, your paradigm was shift with the idea of Bigfoot with your own experience.
As far as I know, we've talked a lot over the years.
You've never had a personal experience with Dogman,
but yet you have covered it on your show.
You've had people on the show talking about it.
what are your thoughts? I mean, obviously, you believe people are seeing something and having
these interactions. So what do you think these are? I mean, like, it's easy. It's easy to explain
Bigfoot. If you want to go just a pure natural, oh, it's an upright walking hominid. We can't keep
up with. You're on the confessions, bro. I don't believe that. So like, but I mean, when it comes
to dog man, that's a little harder to explain that way. Wouldn't you say? Or would you say?
Yeah, I think you even have a difficult time explaining Sasquatch that way.
And I get why people want to, I get why people think go down the ape route.
I completely get why they do that.
But having said that, after a while, you start to realize there's questions you can't answer.
and there's answers to those questions that make no sense.
That make no sense.
You can say, well, why don't we have a body of one that died naturally?
And you can get away with that argument in the Pacific Northwest.
Hard to get away with the argument when it's Arizona.
You know, in the Pacific Northwest, you can go, well, you know, if I shot a deer,
it'd be gone on a week.
The forest is, it consumes everything.
in the Pacific Northwest, especially with the soil being so acidic.
It will consume everything.
Arizona, you know, you start talking about these other states where these creatures are,
and all of a sudden that argument starts to fall apart, you know.
Then when you get outside the United States,
and you go to Australia, you go to China, almost every continent has a lure of this thing.
even reports up until this day.
And you tell me some Russian doesn't pop one off,
you know,
coming through his yard,
some,
I don't know if they can have guns in Australia,
but you know what I mean?
Like,
I just have a hard time buying into the fact that some of these arguments.
So when the dog man think came along,
I really didn't,
I didn't know what to make of the dog man.
I really,
my first thought was,
there is this other Sasquash that people see
and I just had a guy on a hunter that ran into one.
It's very rare,
but basically it's a Sasquatch with a long snout.
People describe it looking more like a baboon.
And for the longest time,
I was like,
that's what people must be seeing.
Because an upright canine,
that makes no sense.
Like it doesn't,
it doesn't work that way.
You know what I mean?
And I was very skeptical.
of the dog man until I really started talking to hunters.
The first hunter I talked to,
he was on the border of Louisiana and Texas.
Now, this guy had been hunting longer than I'd been alive.
And basically what he does is he goes out to properties
and he gets rid of nuisance predators.
And not only that, but when you go into the hunting store,
you can buy a game calls and you basically, you know,
it's your own little, so you don't have to learn how to, you know,
do a turkey call. You can just go get the thing and it'll do it for you. Well, most of those game
calls are his calls. He created most of those. He's actually kind of a famous hunter. And when I had
him on the show, he describes this encounter with a dog man where he was doing this
wounded rabbit call. And he was there to get a mountain line off the property, I believe,
if my memory's right. And he said, what came down the hill was the biggest wolf he had ever seen
in his life. And he goes, this thing was a monster.
And it was on all fours.
Man, he's still thinking wolf.
And he's hiding in the bushes.
And it's coming to his game calls,
trying to figure out where he's at in the bushes.
So he has his rifle looking through the scope right between the eyes of this thing.
And as he was looking at the face of it,
he was describing it to me.
It was a little bit more than a wolf.
But, I mean, if you were to put it in very simple terms,
it looked like a wolf.
Then it stood up on two legs.
like a man.
And he said the arms were,
he goes, everything from the neck down was very
in a weird way like a man.
He goes, but the head was nothing more than a wolf.
And it was looking around sniffing the air,
trying to figure out where he was at.
And it pinpointed where he was at.
And they make direct eye contact.
And he has the gun on it pointed,
you know,
he's right between the eyes of this thing.
And it takes off running.
And he said,
I've never seen anything run.
that quick. And this thing's on two legs
and it runs off, by the way.
And so
that was many years ago
and after a while, you start
to hear the same consistent
report on these things over and over
and over again. The weird
part is
they seem to be bulletproof.
I had a biologist
in, or was he,
Minnesota, I believe. He shot
one. And he thought
was just this weird
large wolf on his property
and he shot it in the bullet.
It didn't do anything.
Didn't even phase this thing.
And so I guess what you ask is my take on it.
I think what is
you know,
many years ago with the UFO thing,
people always assumed
it was beings coming from other galaxies
millions of miles away
and we can't stop them.
Most UFO
hunters now believe they're coming from here.
There's something going on where they're coming into our reality.
They are, and I kind of think Sasquatch does the same thing.
I remember when I first got into this and even the dog man, you would hear Native Americans say that.
And it sounds crazy.
What do you mean is coming into our reality?
That sounds like, so when they're here, they're physical, but then they go off somewhere else.
Like, how do you explain?
I think anyone halfway rational or halfway sane, that sounds completely like BS.
But then you get weird reports of Sasquatch just seemingly vanishing into thin air.
And people aren't like proud to come on and say this because they know it sounds crazy.
Or the dog man.
It just makes me wonder if they're coming, like especially the dog man, I think is an entity.
probably a demonic entity,
people who aren't religious,
let's go with the entity then,
coming from somewhere else.
And when it's here,
it's physical,
there's no other way to explain.
I mean, if that sounds crazy,
give me another explanation
on this dogman thing.
Thousands of people were just lying.
For what?
You know what I mean?
And what's weird is,
if you get thousands of people lying,
you would think
there would be all sorts of
inconsistencies and there's not.
People don't know each other.
They're telling the exact same story.
They're telling you, you know,
so I guess to answer your question in a long,
roundabout way,
I think for sure the dog man is
some entity coming into
our reality.
And it's all throughout history too. That's the other weird
part. When you start looking at
history, you get
weird reports of
these half man, half canes.
nine things running around. It's bizarre, man.
Yeah. But that's my take on it. And I don't know. I always say I don't, I really don't know
what to make of it, you know? Yeah, I mean, I think none of us know. We all have our own
opinions and thoughts on the topics. But, I mean, what you're saying is really kind of the vibe
that, you know, I kind of go with myself.
And what, you know, we tend to talk a lot about on the show is that these, that these things,
Bigfoot, Dogman, UFOs, aliens, other things people are experiencing are much more
interdimensional than previously thought.
Let's put it that way.
I mean, even with the Dogman stuff, I mean, like you look at ancient times, the Anubis.
Right.
And you just see out throughout history.
I think, and what was it?
France in the 1800s or something like that. They had that that wolf creature that was killing like
over 200 people in that small village or something. Like I mean, this is something that's been going on
for a really long time. This isn't just, you know, people that the degradation, what's the word
I'm looking for? Degration of human intelligence over time. Like this has been happening for a long time.
And, you know, there is an interaction with these things that is being documented not only on the
personal level that we're hearing on our shows, but also on the governmental level,
when you're talking about the UFOs and things like that, I mean, the last, let's just say,
you know, my show has been around for seven years, so let's just say seven years.
The UFO topic has taken a whole different spin.
You know, before the quote unquote disclosure, the most common perception was that
these are ET extraterrestrial.
They came from another galaxy, highly intelligence there.
The most probably woo-woo you would get was they're us from the future, you know, and their time-traveling.
But this idea of these being more spiritual beings, transcending realms, is more new.
But at the same time, it's not because, like, you look at, like, Ezekiel and Ezekiel's wheel.
I mean, like, that sounds like a UFO experience, you know.
And that was thousands of years ago.
Yeah.
And so it's like, I have, I pulled this tweet up here because I just, I find it, I find it very interesting for many different reasons.
This guy tweeted out, he said, in terms of those metallic spheres slash drones, this is what the alleged new firsthand UFO whistleblower Jason Sands had to say in his space last night, meaning, you know, the X spaces where people talk live.
the metallic
spheres are NHAI
non-human intelligence
drones. They are using them
because our direct
energy weapons are affecting
their manned crafts.
So this whistleblower is coming forward
in saying that these
spiritual entities are now
sending drones
to our realm
and not sending their manned crafts
because we are interacting with them
seemingly in an aggressive, hostile manner, and they are now sending drones so that they can, I guess,
spare their manned UFOs. To me, this whole thing is starting to take a real interdimensional
shift that wasn't really possible just a few years ago. And when it comes to the dogman and Bigfoot,
I think there's a real argument to be made with that stuff, man. Like the, I had just talked to
guy, and this hasn't even aired yet, but I had talked to a guy who owns property between,
I think it's the Bray Road, the Beast of Bray Road, and Bower Road, or Brower Road,
but he owns like 35 acres of farmland, and he's been documenting the Beast of Bray Road on his
property for, I think it's like 12 years or something like that. And some of the stuff that
he has, man, it's like, that doesn't seem very physical. It seems interdimensional.
And one thing that's like a sign, I guess, of things is this metallic sound.
And this is what people were messaging me about with your show.
The guy that was on that property and was being tormented by these things, the creatures,
people were telling me that I had to go listen to your show because this guy was talking about the metal sounds.
Do you recall what he was saying?
Yeah, he would describe weird vocalizations.
He would describe the normal vocalizations
that a lot of people do,
but he would also describe a lot of metal sounds,
like metallic sounds, weird, odd metallic sounds
he would hear all the time.
Like, one of the examples was,
you'd hear this gate door open.
And it was like a metal gate.
There's no metal gate anywhere near this property.
And he would hear it,
constantly and one of the nights he heard it is when he saw that dog man thing.
But he would hear this metal gate open all the time.
And there's no metal gate.
There's nothing around that would cause that sound.
And he looked everywhere.
He went on Google Earth.
He was like, well, maybe it's around here somewhere.
I'm just not seeing it.
And he said it was a, you know, so that sort of thing is what he would hear.
Just weird metallic sounds, you know, that weren't there.
there's nothing to go, well, that's this.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
We, I say we because I look at like what we talk about on the show is I feel like if people are
returning as an audience, then I assume that they're kind of at least walking and step with
what I think.
So when I say we, I mean, make me and the audience.
But like, we've been finding in conversation these metallic sounds popping up before people
have encounters with these creatures. And I don't know if this is a new phenomenon or it probably
isn't a new phenomenon. It might be a new phenomenon where people are actually talking about it.
I don't know if you ever recall hearing this as a repetitive theme, but I have over the last
couple years. And the theory, my working theory is that it's not even a theory, it's more of a
question. Is it possible if these things are coming from other realms? Is that the sound that people
hear when that activity starts? Like, when someone,
something is starting to pierce that veil come through whatever you want to call it a portal or
whatever is the sound that does it does that make a sound and does that sound remind people of
metallic sounds i've heard you know sounds like a metal door slamming gates opening crinkling of
you know uh metal sheets uh things like that and it's just it's something that i theorize i guess
and think about out loud which is you know does a portal have a sound and does that sound is that sound
is that sound metal? I don't know.
Is that your first time that you recall hearing about the metal sounds on your show?
No, you hear about them all the time.
I remember this guy who was, he teaches like quantum mechanics and all this stuff.
He described that if there, or theorizes, I should say, that if you were to go from one dimension to the next,
there would not only be sound, but a residue of smell.
and which is weird because when Bigfoot's around you hear this,
you always hear about this weird smell.
That doesn't act like normal,
like something's stinking.
You know,
if something stinks,
you can smell it,
smell it as you get closer and closer.
Like,
wow,
the same really stinks,
but it permeates the air,
you know,
like a skunk or something like that.
What's weird about the smell with Sasquatch
is people walk into it and walk out of it.
Smell doesn't work that way.
You know, you don't walk into it and walk out of it.
Even if you're past the smell, you're still going to smell a little bit of it.
You know what I mean?
And that's not how people describe it.
I don't know.
As far as your question goes, yeah, there's been many accounts of people hearing metallic or metal type sounds.
The problem is, is it's not every time.
It's not consistent.
So you hear about it, but then you'll hear an encounter where a hunter runs.
into one and there's no metallic sound.
He just sees a creature and
Ron Moore had described that.
Would he capture those Sierra sounds?
What, back in the 60s?
I think it was 60s.
I think it was the 70s, but yeah, somewhere around there.
I want to say late 60s, early 70s.
I'd be wrong.
But he describes
the sounds of car,
car doors being slammed.
He describes the sound of
a lot of metallic
sounds that weren't there.
I think Ron talked about one time almost a gate sound he heard and there's no gate around there.
So it might be something to that.
I don't know.
It's just what's frustrating about the Sasquatch topic is you'll have people, let's say, a hunter or a hiker run into one.
And basically they're running into what they describe is nothing more than an animal, some weird priming.
and the encounter lasts very short.
Usually the creature goes one way,
the person runs the opposite way.
So when I was saying in the beginning,
I get why people say it's an ape.
I get why people go down that route.
But then you have people who have these things on their property
and they'll start telling you weird, odd things that,
you know, because they're seeing them more than just that one quick,
like a hunter or hiker,
It's like, oh, you know, I ran into some weird ape and it ran off.
It was kind of manlike, but it happens so quick.
Then on people's properties, they start talking about these weird lights they're seeing,
or they'll talk about the eyes glowing.
And I've had many, many, many, many hunters that I've insulted over the years by saying,
you sure that wasn't I shine?
You know, these guys know I shine.
They see it every day.
but I almost have to ask that question for the audience,
not so much for my own,
I'm wondering,
and their guys are like, no,
it was, these eyes were absolutely glowing,
like lights,
or you'll get,
you just start getting into the weird stuff,
you know,
and it's really hard to know,
that's why there's such a division in this topic,
because people who want it to be an ape,
all this other stuff is BS.
We only talked to the people that had an encounter that ran into what they call an ape,
and we're going to go with that narrative.
All this other stuff they throw away because it's uncomfortable,
and I get why they throw it away.
They want science to look into this, this non-human primate that somehow has evaded everyone all these years and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Well, if you're looking for honest answers, you can't just throw everything away.
even that sounds crazy, it doesn't fit into my worldview.
When I very first really started going with everything,
I'm going to take this whole picture and look at it.
And I was uncomfortable having people come on and go,
hey, you know,
less shroud going,
hey,
I saw the creature up on the hill with the small one.
And I heard in my head,
if you want to see us today of the night.
and it freaked me out and I basically left.
What do you do with that?
I know Les, and I know Les very well,
Les has nothing to gain by saying that.
He has everything to lose by saying that.
But he's like, this is what happened.
So what do you do with something like that?
I don't even remember what your first question was, ma'am.
It's been a rough week.
It doesn't matter.
It's been a really tough week.
Just having good conversation.
No, the Les Stroud thing,
I don't know if people really,
realize this, but it happened about 30 minutes from where I'm sitting right now.
I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So he was doing it for Survivor Man, Bigfoot,
and he came here to East Tennessee, and Scott Carpenter, God rest Scott Carpenter's soul,
he took him out to an area that he had been researching. Oh, that's right. And having lots of,
yeah, lots of experiences.
And just to let people know,
so we have, we shot a documentary
that will be released in 2025,
and it's the most dramatic experience
I have ever had in the woods
and it happened in the same woods
at last had that experience.
We,
like, I,
I thought I was going to lose my life at first, split second.
I literally pulled my gun out.
It was caught on camera.
It was the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced.
At the same time, it was the most confusing thing I've ever experienced.
But it happened literally in those woods.
And I've had numerous, really weird things happen to those woods since.
Like, I go back a lot because I can't help myself.
I'm a little psycho.
But then again, I haven't seen it.
Like you have, you know, like I've had these experiences that scared the crap out of me.
Was that I haven't seen it?
I mean, I don't want to ruin it.
No, it's fine.
I've talked about it before just sparingly.
But yeah, the monkeys.
And being charged by something.
It was big.
It drooled all over me.
And it said, I'm sparing your life.
life today.
No, not that quite dramatic, but it scared me a lot.
Yeah, and I don't want to run the documentary, but I know what you're talking about.
Here's the thing, though, I'm convinced that the best way to sell a documentary is to tell people
what's in it, you know?
That's the way I look at things.
The same thing with books.
Like, whenever I have an author come on the show, I'm like, hey, tell them what's in
the book because that's the best way to sell the book.
You know, people, you know, sometimes they dance around and like, well, you have to buy
the book to find out.
And it's like, nobody's going to buy the book now.
I hate when authors do that, man.
I always warn them about that, too.
You're like, you have to think about the listener.
You know, you're not going to go into it because you've got to buy the book.
You're just pissing people off.
You know what I mean?
I totally know what you mean.
And so that's the philosophy I have with the documentaries.
That's why, you know, when I go on other people's shows and I talk about it,
I literally talk about what's in it and stuff.
Because, I mean, listen, we're selling a story, the journey that we went on,
and we want to tell you about that.
But me telling you the journey doesn't compare to you experiencing it with me.
And that's why the documentary is there, right?
And so the same thing with the books.
But yeah, that Les Stroud thing happened in the same woods that I frequent.
But do you think that there's a spiritual component to, like,
you were talking about how people kind of define these creatures and stuff?
do you think that there is a
pre-existing foundation that people
have on a spiritual level that
they lean on to define
these things? So like somebody is like
God's not real. There is no supernatural
realm. Therefore,
all these people saying that
these creatures disappear or whatever,
they're crazy. And vice versa,
do you think that if people
that, you know, come into an
experience where they
have that worldview of a
supernatural realm and stuff, maybe it's
not as hard for them to, you know, perceive what they experienced or this idea that these
things could, you know, disappear, seemingly disappear in the middle of a field, you know?
Like, I just feel like there's like this, this, this, especially on the, the natural side of
things, it's like a lot of the people who don't want it to be anything other than a physical
creature, also the same people who are like, God's not real. We've, we just, we've always
been here or we came here from some kind of little tiny cell. You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess I'm not
really sure of the question. I think that I'm always amazed when people don't think that God is real.
And again, I'm not, I get accused of it now all the time, but I'm really not, you know, a religious
person by any means. But, you know, I think when you, to answer your question, I would say,
Yeah, you'll get some people who are heavily into science,
which I don't think is a bad thing.
I think science is a good thing.
There's a lot of things that science can explain.
But they stop at that point.
I remember I was watching this atheist,
and he does DNA.
He's like a DNA something.
I don't remember exactly what he does,
but he studies like the cell structure
and basically how the makeup
of the human body.
And after years and years and years of studying this and becoming proficient and becoming
somewhat of an expert in this, he came to the conclusion that there must be God.
Because, and he went through this long explanation that was way over my head because it's all
DNA.
He was basically saying, this whole thing is designed.
This just didn't happen.
there's a design behind this.
And you know, you don't even have to go to a DNA level to stop and go.
There's a design to the universe.
You know, the sun's in a position where we just had that eclipse, right?
What happens if that moon stays in front of that sun?
Guess what?
It's a very short time.
We all freeze to death.
We all die.
The sun, if it was any further away in our galaxy, we would all die.
If it was any closer to us in our galaxy, we would all die.
that seems weird to me.
I mean, and all that happened by chance,
I just don't,
I struggle with that.
Because that seems like a hell of a coincidence
and a hell of a lot of chances going on
for something or someone not to be
designing this whole thing.
Or even us,
our human bodies.
The human body is their greatest gift you'll ever have.
It's the best.
And yeah,
it deteriorates over time,
but it's amazing when you look at it.
So I'm always amazed when scientists stop at a certain point
and there's atheists out there
because if you are really a student of science,
it's usually you're a student of all sciences.
And when you really start looking into it,
you're like, there's no way all this happened by chance.
There is no way all this happened by chance.
But I think sometimes people get in that mindset
and they don't believe, like he said,
one way, they don't really buy into God or spiritual entity.
So when they hear this stuff, it sounds crazy.
But it's like I said, go get a Ouija board, go play with it for four months and come back and tell me the spiritual, the spiritual world is not real.
I promise you won't.
Yeah, I mean, like, so I guess.
I don't think I answered any of your questions.
Well, no, no, you did.
You did.
You actually helped me maybe help understand what I was trying to ask.
My thing was, I feel like people come into these topics with a base understanding of what reality is,
whether it's a spiritual understanding or a scientific evolutionary type understanding.
And based off of those understandings, most people, not all people, but most people stay in those lanes
throughout the entire journey of trying to understand these other topics.
And there tends not to be this crossover.
and I personally had the crossover.
I came into it with a spiritual worldview,
but I looked at these cryptids as very physical.
Like, Dogman was something that I was like,
come on, give me a break.
That ain't real.
And the Bigfoot, like, I was like,
well, we're going to go find the thing.
Like, it's a real physical creature out there.
It's not going to be that hard to find.
We'll go out and we'll knock this out in a weekend.
Like, I really thought it was going to be that easy.
Like, I was just like, yeah, it's a physical creature.
It's huge.
How can we miss it?
And as I looked into it,
to it more and more, the more I started jumping over to the other side of things. I'm like,
I think these things might be more spiritual. But in general, I get the sense that when people have
this, whatever the foundation is for them, that tends to be their launching point and they
stay in that lane a lot on both sides. And I just wasn't sure if you kind of experienced the same
thing in those thought processes. No, I think what happens is, like I said before, you'll get a hunter
or hiker or whatever that will have an encounter in its brief.
And basically what they saw was a non-human primate,
even though it kind of looked human.
And it was a very short glance at the thing.
And then they become researchers,
and they're tracking down trying to find this ape the rest of their life.
And so when people will say, oh, I, you know, the eyes were glowing.
You know, people will go, well, that's BS.
I never saw the eyes glowing in my encounter.
And so they live in this really narrow bubble of,
well, that didn't happen to me,
so it must be complete nonsense.
And then you'll get people on the other end of it that,
you know, the eyes were glowing.
And so they don't know what to make of that
because there's no animal running around
that has its eyes glowing with light
because you can't see.
So I don't know.
so much like a preconceived
notion of whether you're
religious or not. I think a lot of what happens is
it has to do with
what they saw in their one and only encounter
and nothing else.
Does that make any sense?
It makes sense to a certain extent, but I mean,
like, I've never had an encounter, you know?
And there's people out there that have experiences.
I think you're speaking for the people
from the perspective of the people who've had encounters,
but there's people out there like me
who've never had an encounter like you had or other people.
And for my side of the camp,
like you and I are representing two different sides of camps here,
but from my side of the camp,
I feel like there seems to be,
you know,
and for a world of people who,
at least this used to be more true,
I think back in the day than it is now,
to be honest with you,
when I first started podcasting,
this realm, whatever you want to call it, of a category we delve into, was like open-minded,
we think outside the box kind of people. There were certain boxes that just were not,
they were not willing to jump out of at all. It was just like, no, whether you saw the thing
and that's what formed your opinion on it or you dove into it like me, it was like you found a lane
and you stuck to it. And it can be a little disheartening for me at times.
when you see that over and over again.
But I think at the same time,
I think that we are experiencing a shift where, you know,
and maybe if anything,
because I kind of poo-poo on the whole government disclosure stuff
with UFOs.
Like, I just kind of, I'm like, yeah,
they're probably telling us like half-truths,
what they want us to know so they can manipulate us more.
But like, the good thing that I see coming out of it is
I am seeing more and more people give more credence
to the idea of interdimensionalism than ever before.
And I, for me, and the way I think about things, I'm like, yeah, that's pretty encouraging.
Now, for you, if you're getting emails accusing you that you're becoming a spiritual person or whatever, they're probably, be honest, are you getting emails saying you're hanging out with Merkel too much?
Got a few.
I believe it.
People don't understand is what builds our friendship is we're two completely different people.
but we respect each other.
And, you know, you're, I know when we very first became friends, you were way more spiritual than I ever was.
I was like, you know, I don't know all this.
But it has nothing to do with you.
It's just like my own little journey in life.
And, you know, it's hard to copy someone when it comes to being spiritual because you can't copy someone.
and it doesn't work that way.
I just think there's more to life than, you know,
there's more going on here than what most people realize,
I think personally.
I don't know.
That's my opinion, of course.
Yeah.
No, I do too.
So, listen, let's, let's wind it down here.
But I, I know you like talking about other things.
as well, and you're going to be looking into doing some different things with your show,
moving forward with new segments and things like that. What are some topics that, you know,
Wes Gürmer enjoys diving into that maybe the world wouldn't really, you know, because I think
maybe everybody that listens to your show and, you know, it's Sasquatch Chronicles. So Wes just
looks at Sasquatch, right? That's all you ever looked at. I think that you don't, you don't know anything
about anything else, I'm assuming. But I, well, that might be accurate.
Well, knowing and looking into things are very different things, right?
So I look into a lot of things to say I know anything, you know.
But I like other topics.
I mean, I've studied, you know, I almost think I know where Atlantis is.
And I think it's Antarctica.
And I've been studying these old maps because Antarctica didn't show up on any maps until like the 1800s.
they said anyway.
But then they started finding all these old maps from like 1500 M.
And before.
And it's a continent of Antarctica,
but it's seven degrees north of where Antarctica is now.
And they were calling it Atlantis on all these maps.
Makes you wonder what,
you know,
that's a weird reference because Atlantis is a pretty famous place.
But even on all these maps pre-1500s,
it shows up,
but it's seven degrees north.
And it makes you wonder if the continent shifted and it went down there.
Because Atlantis is like one of those things where it's in every lore of every culture.
But it just vanished.
It,
you know,
but you know,
I like studying that.
I like the pyramids.
I was telling you about this crazy dream I had about the pyramids.
I think I was looking too much into them.
And I'll tell you the dream if you want me to say it.
But I want you to say it.
Do you want to say it?
Yeah, no, I mean,
to answer you, and I'll tell you what I dream, but I think that I like everything.
I like World War II history.
I like, I study a lot of weird stuff, man, a lot of stuff that just fascinates me.
So it's pretty much around the box.
And I know with my after dark program, I've been saying it's coming, but I'm actually
working on it, trying to get it produced and trying to figure out a few things.
but my dream about the pyramid.
And again,
I don't know if I fell asleep listening
something on YouTube
or if I was just looking into the subject too long.
But I had this weird,
and it was such a vivid dream.
I mean,
sometimes you dream,
they're very real,
but sometimes when you dream,
you're like,
I can tell you what it smelled like.
I can tell you what it felt like.
I can tell you just a real,
real, real vivid dream.
Anyway, long story short,
I had this crazy dream.
I was in the
the Giza pyramid,
the big one,
and I was walking around
trying to figure out
what this building was for.
Like I couldn't figure out
what this building was for.
And the weird part is there was water
running underneath the pyramid.
And I was in a,
I walked up,
I think it was the key,
they called the Keych Chamber.
I don't know.
It was just a room that I was in.
And there was
a,
weird sound I was hearing.
And I don't remember if it was the E chord or what I was hearing.
It was, I know it from the guitar.
I played it before.
I can't remember I off the top of my head,
which chord I was hearing,
but I was hearing a chord from the guitar.
So I knew this sound,
but it was constant.
And the other weird part about it is it sounded like the,
when you fire up Apple,
the dun-tun-d-d-tun-tun-tun-i-i-me-it. It was driving me nuts the next day because I'd heard it so much in my dream.
And basically what I was figuring out in my dream in one of the rooms,
it looked like there was some sort of like explosion.
Like the top was black, and this guy started explaining to me about the pyramid
and was saying that the reason why the capstone on top is gold is this is a power station.
the reason why they're all around the world is their power stations.
They are Wi-Fi, power communication.
And that's really what he was saying in my dream,
that all of this is power stations or power stations all around the world.
These aren't just weird buildings, you know,
because you find pyramids everywhere, even in Alaska,
and you find them, you know, in the South America.
but it was
really,
it was such a bizarre dream
because I could tell you
what it smelled like
in there.
It smelled like old.
It smelled like your grandma's like closet.
It just smelled old.
And I started researching it.
And I found Tesla's coil,
like a mock-up of Tesla's coil.
And it's exactly the same thing
that the pyramid was for.
You got to have water,
its frequency,
and the gold capstone is
because it is the best way to conduct energy,
or it's the best conductor.
And it was weird, man.
It was a bizarre,
like I said,
I don't know that it wasn't like I got a message.
I don't like I got a message from anyone,
but it was just maybe I was listening to YouTube when I fell asleep.
I don't know,
but it was a very,
very vivid,
bizarre dream.
And I remember just sitting there in shock,
realizing,
oh,
these are power stations.
These are, you know, that theory has been thrown around before, but I've never really looked into the pyramids that much.
And I remember in one of the rooms, like I said, the walls were black, looked like some weird explosion went off in there.
And the weird frequency that, you know, it was ever in the apple.
They know what I'm talking about.
That's what I was hearing in the pyramid.
And there was some sort of like, the guy was, there was some sort of, there was some sort of.
a chemical reaction that you have to do to fire it up. But once it's on, it's on.
Anyway, my crazy dream. Well, no, I'm glad you said. Let me ask you something.
Because I'm assuming you don't get into dreams a whole lot on your show. Not really.
But have you ever, all right, let me ask you this. During that dream, did you have any moments
where you felt like you knew you were dreaming and like it felt more real?
real than this reality.
I wouldn't say I felt like I was dreaming.
I felt like I was there.
Like when I woke up,
I was like,
holy crap,
I've been inside the pyramid.
Like that was my first thought.
Like,
oh,
you know,
I've been there.
I know exactly what's inside that place,
which I don't.
But in my,
for my dream,
I'm like,
I was there.
I was actually there.
I know how this thing works.
Like I,
not that I know exactly how it works,
but I get the concept of what is going on here.
And I kind of get the concept of what is going on here.
And I kind of get the
concept of this weird chemical reaction that has to happen in order to fire this thing up.
I mean, I sound like a madman, but when I woke up, I think I even called you.
I was like, I've been in the, you know, and I was just freaking out.
I was like, I can tell you what it smelled like in there.
I can tell you, like, I can tell you everything about it.
But again, until I go to the pyramids, I don't know if my dream is accurate or not.
But it wasn't so much like, oh, I'm dreaming.
I can just, I felt like I was there.
like it was hot in the pyramid.
I was sweating.
I remember like my shirt was wet.
I was like,
God,
it's hot in here.
And it smelled and it was bizarre, man.
It was a bizarre.
I've done that a few times over the years.
They're just really intense dreams to wear.
I wouldn't say you know you're dreaming.
It's like you just feel like I was there.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
And I guess that's where I'm going with it.
where, you know, I've, not that I can remember, at least, I don't remember having lucid dreams.
Yeah.
But from what I've been told, lucid dreams feel like you're really there.
They feel like you're in this dream state, but it's like you're in a different state of existence that feels just as real as this real or more real.
and when people are having those experiences,
I think that that's not just a figment of somebody's imagination.
It's not somebody looking into pyramids too much on YouTube.
I think that there was some kind of experience that that person had that they,
for very basic ways of explaining,
they transcended something to be in another place present.
and in another place.
And I was talking to you just the other day
about the guy that I was here in studio,
a hunter who essentially did that with my house.
And, you know, him and I, we still communicate.
We're talking and stuff.
But like, that's an example of somebody
who had a lucid dream.
And his, whatever makes us up on the inside,
whether it's your soul, spirit, or something else,
went away and it went somewhere else. And for him, it went to the end of my driveway. And he saw
some funky stuff. And, you know, it's just, I think people have experiences where there,
like with him, he had that dream and it held a lot of weight for me. It actually defined some
things that were going on in my head at the moment. But then there's other experiences that
people have where, you know, it's more of a, almost like a download of information. And so I don't
think it's to be taken lightly. I don't think you should, you know, dwell on it and feel like,
oh, I have to figure this out. But I don't think that it should be just brushed off as, oh,
it's just a silly dream because I don't think it is a silly dream. I think dreams hold a lot more
significance than what I traditionally have ever given. And, you know, I'm starting to wake up to that
realization that when we go to sleep, there's more, there's more going on than just imagination.
It could be.
I'm telling you, though, man, like, when I woke up, I felt like that dream was more real than
where I was at when I woke up.
Again, I just think it was just a crazy, I mean, it was just a crazy dream that I had, you know.
What you need to do is, I was going to be in a dream.
I'd go sit like the Playboy Mansion.
I wouldn't go to Liza and, like, hang out in Egypt.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I need you to come to Tennessee, hang out with your woo-woo friend a little bit.
We'll get the woo-woo rubbed off on you.
Because I'm telling you, like, you didn't call me, you text me, and you text me a lot after you woke up.
I was tripping out, man.
I was like, holy crap, I've been.
Because it was so real.
Like, when I woke up, it wasn't as real as that dream.
It was so bizarre.
Like, you know, in most dreams, I can't say that I smell any.
or I remember like sweating or, you know, in most dreams, do you ever notice like you can
never really remember someone's face or you never really remember how you got from like point A
to point B? All of a sudden now you're like in another dream and like or you're somewhere else
in that dream and you can't remember how you got there. This was kind of weird, man.
Like I could tell you every moment of that dream. It's not like I just appeared somewhere else.
but again, I think it might have just been a crazy, crazy dream.
But who knows?
Yeah, I don't know, but I'll say that I'm looking back at my text messages right now.
I'm on the East Coast and you text me at 7 o'clock my time.
So it was like early, this is something that affected you to the point that, you know,
what's that, 4 o'clock, 4 a.m. your time, you're awake texting me about your journey.
It was a trip, man.
It was a trip.
Yeah, that's wild, man.
But listen, man, I appreciate you hopping on with me.
I'm looking forward to people being able to watch the documentary.
This is the first time that you've been able to share your experience on video like that.
And I imagine, knowing you, I imagine it'll probably be the last time you do it.
But, you know, it's been a wild ride putting it together.
And I appreciate you letting me share your story like that.
And, you know, people, I think people are going to really enjoy it.
And they're going to, they're going to, I think there's, I think what we were able to do with it was,
there's a difference between episode 52 where you came on and shared your experience.
And then you sharing that experience and us being able to bring it to life through showing them where this happened.
And I think it's going to be, it's going to be good for people to see.
And I'm excited about it.
I just wanted to say thanks so much for not only coming on the show and just hanging out with me
in leading up to the documentary premiere, but also let me come out there with my clown posse
to run around the woods and try to find Bigfoot on your turf. Yeah, ma'am. I was happy to do it.
And thank you so much for having me, brother. Well, that's a sure, but I really hope you enjoyed it.
If you have not done so yet, I highly encourage you to get your tickets for Sasquatch and the Missing Man
because we are live premiering it this Sunday. If you want to be the first ones in the world to watch that
documentary, the only way to do it is moment.co slash Sasquatch. You get your tickets there and you
watch it there this Sunday night at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. I hope to see you there. And if I don't,
I'll see you next Tuesday right here. And until then, stay safe, take care. And remember,
the truth was such a free. But first, it'll piss you off. Bye.
Thought my old motto was a VA. I was working for a cylinder step. Put it on me. No
teammate. Dreams running on fumes, don't rest.
Took a Bocket for my soul for a mention in a couple billboards, no less, yeah
Thank God for a couple roadblocks, I don't know if I'd stop for the road and a
year's on the sidelines, trying to be the highlight back and all the guidelines, yeah,
missed a boat with no lifelines, yeah, screaming, I don't need you, uh, fighting but I'm free to,
uh, neon lights make a path for my breath like smoke in the cold every weekend.
I'm missing.
