The Confessionals - 663: Stranger Things Of The Unseen Realm

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

In episode 663: Stranger Things Of The Unseen Realm, Chad Riley joins to discuss his documentary Skinwalkers & Stranger Things Of The Unseen Realm. This gripping conversation uncovers the mysteries of hitchhiking spirits, remote viewing, and the occult connections between Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, and military endeavors. Chad explores the thought that shadowy interdimensional activities are possibly sponsored by government and military, entwined with sorcery and arcane rituals. Tony and Chad then discuss the recent shift in public dialogue about UFOs, highlighted by figures like Tucker Carlson, sparking widespread intrigue and skepticism about otherworldly realms. They then attempt to breakdown the concept warfare and factional struggles within these unknown dimensions, their ties to ancient deities, secret societies, and intelligence networks. Finally, confront the chilling concepts of realm-traversing portals, screen memories, and the manipulation of human perception by elusive entities. This was a jam-packed episode, with some incredible discussion.Chad Riley: Skinwalkers & Stranger Things Of The Unseen RealmSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinAFFILIATESPrepare with Valley Food Storage: https://alnk.to/2uG55AOGet your Nephilim Blaster 2000: https://alnk.to/9mnHak1Bluecosmo Satellite phones: https://alnk.to/e769EipSee Bigfoot with Sionyx night vision: https://alnk.to/bEhxr3FEmergency medical with My Medic: https://alnk.to/dpr6QM4Black Beard Fire Starters: https://alnk.to/4BFcIbeEcoFlow Power Generators: https://alnk.to/flvpAQwGoDark Faraday Bags: https://alnk.to/5jke3rkEMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase!SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - MissingYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing up this giant With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

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getting involved with government officials. We went into that direction with this conversation, and I think it turned out great. And we also covered the Council of Nine and how that might tie into CERN and the Nine Dead Miners that might have been possibly a sacrifice during that tunnel ceremony. So let's get to our conversation right now with Chad Riley. Let's go. All right, today we have Chad Riley on the show. Chad, what's going on, man? What's going on, brother? It's good to see you again. Yeah, man. Actually, I think this is the first time you and I talk to each other and looking at each other at each other at the same time because the last time you and I had a conversation on the show,

it was episode 132 Hollow Earth and What Lives Within. It was you, me, the Fall Brothers, and Jim Wilhelmson. Yeah, Jim Will Hulmson. And man, that show, like, I, first of all, I'll tell you what, I still feel like this a lot of times, but I really felt back then, I mean, you think 132 episodes you got your gears rolling. I still was feeling the whole thing out. And I felt like I was a fish out of water during that conversation because like you guys are going all over these different directions. And I was just like, I don't know, just let them talk. I have no idea what they're saying, but cool. And that's how I feel a lot of times when I bring people on that are smarter than me. So, but that was a long time ago, man. That was years ago. And back then I didn't do any video.

I just did audio because I was like, I'm a podcast or not a YouTuber. Fast forward years later. And I'm like, well, I'm a YouTuber now too. So we do all, every, everything on video. So it's great to see you, friend. And listen, man, like, you're, you're somebody that throughout the years has always been popping up on mainly Facebook for me. Either people send me a post that you made or you'll, I don't know if you have like a mass email list or something, but I'll get a post in my, my private messenger from you. And it's just, just, you know, something. And it's just always been like, man, I got to get Chad back on the show. And then a few weeks back, I stumbled across a video with you and Derek Gilbert talking about your new documentary.

It's like, there's my open door. Let's do this. So I want to open up the conversation talking about the documentary and the origins of it and how, you know, you got involved in all this. And we'll see where the conversation goes from there. But your new documentary, this is your first documentary, correct? Yes, this is my first solo project. And I see that you've also jumped into the field as well. yeah yeah I don't even know how I did that I just it just kind of evolved and happened but you know it's just it's one of those things where with me and the show what we're doing is uh we're visiting locations where you know we talk about these stories on the show and why not go to these locations that these things have happened and so I guess that's kind of how it all started for us and I just

kind of happened to stumble across guys in the field that could really help me take um the story and bring it to life through video. So it's been really cool. But your documentary, Skim Walkers and Stranger Things of the Unseen Realm. You had me at Stranger Things and the Unseen Realm, to be honest with you. So I was like, when I saw the title of it, I was like, this is going to be good. And what was the whole motivation behind this documentary? I mean, like, Skim Walkers and the Stranger Things of the Unseen Realm, it seems like it could be a mixed bag. When I look at the word skinwalkers, though, I automatically take the topic of skinwalkers and make it an interdimensional topic in my mind. I don't know if that's how you track with it or what,

but what was the motivation here? Yeah, started out, what was it? After we had done higher entities, we'd gone to visit with our friend Keith at End Times Productions, and he had just interviewed Justin and Wes. I just went along for the ride. I wasn't actually planning on getting behind the camera and being filmed. But he was like, Chad, he goes, you know so much. He's like, get over here and talk about something. I'm like, I didn't even prepare. I don't even know what you want me to talk about.

He's like, just get over here and talk about something. He's like, talk about Skinwalker Ranch or some of that stuff. So I did the interview with him and it blew up. And it was one of his biggest interviews for the longest time. And I just started digging deeper and deeper into Skinwalker Ranch. And the more I dug into it, especially when I got into it, to this whole hitchhiker phenomenon, that's what really just like blew it wide open because that led into remote viewing. And that took me into alien abduction and encounters and different things

and brought, it got into Jack Parsons and El Ron Hubbard and Alistair Crowley and the Babylon working ritual and everything. I mean, it just just kept rabbit rally into more things. And it's just like, okay, this is all completely 100% interconnected. And it's like, this is all one big thing. And yeah, that's, like I said, I had about 488 pages of notes that I had to condense down into 88 page script. And it was still, what, two and a half hours long. So there's plenty of content for a part two and three. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So how do you go from Skinwalker Ranch to the hitchhiker effect to remote viewing? So I understand the hitchhiker effect. I mean, you know, when we went to that area, we went to Space Wolf Research, which borders Skinwalker Ranch. And, you know, Ryan, the owner of that property had told us about the idea of the hitchhiker effect and that, you know, we might have something happened to us at home months later, things like that. But how do you go from, you know, uncovering the hitchhiker effect, I'm assuming connected to Skinwalker Ranch to the remote. viewing to Alistair Crowley and Jack Parsons and all this stuff. I mean, it seems like a quite a domino effect you had going there. I'm having a hard time connecting all those dots.

How does that happen for you? That's funny that you bring up Ryan because I just did an interview with him about a couple months ago. Really? And yeah, he's a good friend. And but yeah, the thing about the hitchhacker phenomenon is when you look into it, especially some of the first people that were talking about it in the book that Kellerher and George Napp had wrote they talk about whenever it was a character that

they named Axelrod who has now been identified who was actually the boss of David Grush, Lou Alizondo and Travis Taylor. So, I mean, this gentleman was out there at

Skinwalker Ranch back before or right around the time that Bigelow, it just purchased it. And after he left there, something attached itself to him, but it went home and it was terrorizing his family. And the wife just happened to look out the back window one morning. And she saw this gigantic eight foot tall wolf standing there on two hind legs staring at her. And I mean, it was like intently staring at her. And after a couple of minutes, she said that it just, and it was holding its hand,

the, you know, its front legs up like this. It had its arms crossed. I was just sitting there just staring at her like, you know. And after a couple of minutes, it put its hands down by its side and it walked off on two legs. And she didn't say anything because she was like, maybe I just imagine that. And she also didn't want to freak her kids out. Well, a couple of days later, her kids just happened to be back there by the back sliding door. And one of them was walking by and he looked at the window and he just gassed really loud.

other one jumped up and ran over like what what is it and then they said there was again standing there on two legs by this tree just leaned up against the tree just staring at them and after a couple of minutes they said it took off running down the road and they said it was kicking up leaves running on two legs and that's that's the thing you start looking into the this whole hitchhacker phenomenon you never know what it is you're going to get because some people get orbs some people get shadow people some people get these wolf creatures Some people get aliens bopping around in their house. They get the orbs, UFOs.

You just never know what it's going to be. And how it tied into the whole thing with remote viewing, I found out that the, what was it? The remote viewers were some of the first people that encountered it long before they ever started talking about at Skimwalker Ranch. One of the remote viewers that Peerich brought over was Yuri Geller. And I know a lot of people probably heard of Yuri Geller about him bending spoons and stuff like that. But he supposedly was, you know, not as powerful or as well-known or well-added as like Ingo Swine. Pat Price, some of the even Joseph McConnacle and some of the other most well-known ones that are part of the programs.

But he was being studied by scientists. They wanted to see, you know, if they could measure or figure out how he was doing what he was doing as far as being able to perceive things and gather information from a distance. And while they were measuring him and studying, you know, how he was doing this, the scientists that were doing the measurements and studying of him, they started encountering the hitchhagre phenomenon in their homes around their family, started seeing cryptos. They started seeing shadow people and war. and different things going on in their homes, even poltergast activity. So I was like, okay, that's weird. That's really bizarre because you got it now into the remote viewing as well. And, you know, this has happened to several of them,

but Yuri Geller was probably the most well-known case. And then I found out through my, you know, digging deeper and deeper and stuff, that one of the very first people to encounter the hitchhiker phenomenon was Kenneth Arnold, who was the first person who coined the phrase flying saucers. He was the one who saw the nine craft flying over Mount Rainier Washington. Well, after he had his encounter in his biography, he wrote that they started having like polter gas activity and bizarre things going on around the home.

Even his daughter, who went on and did radio interviews, said the same thing that there was all this poltergeist activity and bizarre hitchhiker phenomenon going on in their home after he had made the siding. Man. So what you're describing seems to like, and maybe you have a different perspective, but it seems like when this kind of activity happens to people,

whether they're at Skinwalker Ranch, they're doing remote viewing, or they happen to have an encounter with UFOs, or it seems like this is not like, you know, one plus one equals two kind of thing where, you know, oh, you were remote viewing, and that's why the hitchhiker effect happened. It's like, well, you were at Skinwalker Ranch and that happened.

And you had an encounter with UFOs and then the hitchhiker effect happened. It seems like there's a lot of things that are going to happen in the environment that you're in, that these things can connect themselves to you. It's not just, I think it's people want to believe and think that, you know, as long as I don't touch a Ouija board, I'm okay. Like nothing's going to attach itself to me because I'm going to be. not doing anything, but it sounds like, I mean, if you just happen to stumble across something and you have an encounter with UFOs, that could open a door for the hitchhiker effect. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, and that's the thing is that this is hitchhiker phenomenon spreads like a

virus. So that's the thing is that it will spread out from you to your family, to your friends. It can even spread out to the workplace and neighborhood that you live in. And yeah, it's, it's utterly bizarre, but yeah, the... It makes sense. I mean, if you're having... Let's just use, I think you said Axelrod. Is that his name? Yeah, that was the character.

His name is Jay Stratton. He's been identified now. Jay Stratton. Yeah, well, you look into Jay Stratton? That's the thing is like, that guy, he was part of Naval Intelligence. I mean, he had so many accolades. I had to cherry pick just a few, and I was reading off for almost a couple minutes, just all the different titles that that got held.

But he, like I said, keep in mind that he's the same guy that was over Lou Elisando. He was the same guy over Travis Taylor and he was also over David Grush. So this guy, he's very high up on the food chain as far as where all this stuff is going. And like I said, he's tied in with Jacques Valet. He's tied in with Gary Nolan. He's tied in with goodness. some, how put off,

I mean, just tons of these people. He knows all of them. He, you know, was part of, tied in with Bigelow and all of them out there at Skinwalker Ranch. I mean,

he knows lots of people, but like I said, this guy, he's the one that still goes around and talks to all the senators and shows them. He's got like all the goodies, all the UFO footage, gives all the presentations.

And he knows more than anybody, probably. that's interesting. I got to get him on for an interview. Good luck, right? But so he has, he has his, I think you said it was him that saw the upright wolf at the house, or no, his wife, right? And then the kid saw it. So you see, you see the virus spread there. I don't know if in that particular case, if you have any information as to the domino effect moving forward into other people, but it does make sense that. one of the sons, he started seeing orbs flying around in his bedroom.

And he didn't say anything to any of his friends, but he had friends that lived in the neighborhood, and they started seeing orbs in their backyards. So, like I said, that's how they found out that it was spray. And then even Jay Stratton, one of the ladies that he worked with, she started having polter gas activity going on. And her house and her roommate got so terrorized by it

that they just moved out. within a matter of days. So yeah, it's spread through the workplace, spread through his children, their friends in the neighborhood, and yeah. That's wild. It really is like a virus.

And it's almost, it's very interesting because I never really considered the hitchhiker effect on this kind of level. And this is something that maybe it could be a big reason as to why people have experiences that they have. I mean, if people unwittingly are around other people who have had experiences or, like, say, you're working with somebody who is, you know, playing with the Ouija board and maybe they're into the dark arts, I mean, that could have an effect on your own life.

Is that, that, that's the correct way of looking at that, right? Yeah, that's completely the best way to look at it. And, I mean, especially some of the stuff as far as like the shadow people, I don't know, that there's an interview or a news clip George Knapp has done on his news channel where he talked about out of S2, these people in the military base out of S2 were seeing these shadow people running around on the bases and stuff. And like I said, you got some of these individuals. In fact, the wife of J. Stratton said that she was seeing shadow people in their house walking around. She would be laying in bed and all of a sudden she would look up and she would see the shadow person who just literally

walking across the room. I mean, it's, it's all completely interconnected. You say as to, that rings a bell. That's out near Area 51, right? It's actually, I think, in Las Vegas, or out close to Las Vegas, somewhere out there. I did a show years ago, and I think I called it something area too, and it was something to do with a military base. And the guy, he had different stories of these UFOs on the base. But at the, um, at the, towards the end, he talked about it wasn't his direct experience, but it was relayed to him.

But basically, the Area 2 base, I believe it was the Area 2 base, had, they were doing some kind of experiments. And a, I don't know how else to describe it other than a mutated

cat creature that they created, got out. And it was a big thing the base. Like, I mean, it, they don't know what happened to it kind of thing. So I just, that rings a bell. And I wonder if it's the same base or not. I don't remember. But it could be S20 because I know the S20 is Dulce. Okay. Yeah. So all these S2s, S20s, 20 area code 215. Like, I'm, I'm at a loss a lot of times. So there's, there's a clear, for a long time. For a long time,

and we've talked about this throughout the years on the show. I think when we started the show, we speculated, but then 2017 happened and it started becoming like a, okay, yeah, this is something where the government

is actively involved in this stuff. You know, when they start doing the UFO disclosure and that kind of fizzled out towards the end of 2017, 2018, but then kind of revamped up towards 2020.

But it's clear that there's this government involvement and you're talking about, I wrote down what you had said, Axel Rod, I can't remember his real name, but when you talk about him and his involvement within our own government, it shows that there is this interconnected twine of involvement. When it comes to, you know, the Pentagon and the defense side of things, what is their involvement when it comes to maybe defense against these things? Are they more actively involved, do you think, on a personal level where they're having a relationship with this phenomenon?

You know, because, like, I think you and I can probably agree that what's going on is an interdimensional thing and is our government involved in a relationship with beings from another realm, or how do you view that whole thing? Well, according to the Air Force's, the AFOSI's own investigation. that they had looked into the whole thing about the UFO wave kicking off in 1947. Keep in mind that this was Kenneth Arnold was first person that had the encounter where we saw the nine craft. And then we had less than two weeks later, you had the whole Roswell incident that went down. But one of the things that came to light later on is that Kenneth Arnold and Jack Parsons actually were acquainted with one another.

In fact, there's other investigators that came out and said that they were actually flying buddies and that they knew one another very well, and that they also had a very another connection that they had a good friend that lived in Roswell named Robert Goddard, who was also under Robert Rocket Technology. In fact, he also worked or did his experiments before he moved to Roswell. he did them in the exact same place where Jack Parsons and his suicide squad did all their tests, which was Devil's Gate Dam. So like I said, you just start seeing all these complete connections going back and forth. But again, getting back to San Bruno and his investigation with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, the AFOSI, they started digging into it. And what really got them digging into Parsons was when he worked for Howard Hughes. He had already lost his top secret clearance.

And then he regained his clearance. But when he worked for Howard Hughes, he took classified documents without permission. And that's what got them really digging into him. And when they started digging into him, San Bruno and his people that were under him, they started making all these connections that he's tied up into some sort of a, satanic cults. He started looking into the whole thing about Thelima and the OTO, the Ordo Templarionis, and they quickly realized that, you know, there's more to this than what, you know,

we even realized. They, keep in mind, you know, we're talking about Elron Hubbard who created Scientology. And that's another one of these things that just kept coming up in the research that I was doing was that one of the biggest things. that I found out that blew my mind when I came across this information was that a vast majority of these remote viewers were all Scientologists. So you got Ingo Swann and you got Hal Puthoff. They were both OT-7s. That's the highest rank you can hold in Scientology. And come to find out that

this is where they were learning the techniques for remote viewing. It was coming out of Scientology. Well, now that you know who created Scientology and that he was part of Thelima and part of this Orio Tempeliorianus, that this is where they were getting these techniques that they were using for remote viewing. So it's like, you know, the more the Air Force was digging into him and all the people that he was associated with. And then when they found out about the Babylon working ritual that they had been working on for almost two years and that supposedly they were successful. In fact, the Air Force went so far as to say they think he widened whatever the portal was that Crowley had opened back in 1904. They think that Parsons and Hubbard actually widened it and they were unable to close it. And then you got people like Kenneth Arnold who took over the Lima after Alistair Crowley died, who was his personal secretary, making statements like, you know, it was a member of the OTO. that, you know, caused the whole great way or the UFO flap and just, you know, boasting and

bragging that, you know, it was one of us that got to do this that caused all this. Whoa. You said, you said a bunch of stuff that I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on. So I want to revisit three things that you said here. And maybe you can expound on. I'm going to start with the first one I wrote down here. Jack Parsons' Suicide Squad and The Devil's Gate Dam. What is that?

Like, what is that all about? Yeah, that was the area where they used to go out there and do all their experiments when they were trying to launch these rockets that just kept blowing up and exploding. That's why they referred to themselves as a suicide squad because they figured, you know, they're probably going to end up killing themselves. and yeah, and like I said, it had this rocky outcropping that looked like a demonic face. And like I said, you got Parsons and his suicide squad out there performing these experiments. And keep in mind, every time that he would go out there and do this before they actually tried to launch it or blow it up or whatever,

he would do these rituals to the Greek God pan. And this is the exact same spot that Robert Goddard performed all his. when he was out there doing the same thing, trying to launch these rockets and blowing things up, they were both in that same exact area. What are the odds and the coincidence, you know, of that happening? Yeah. We, we, we,

this is a documentary that hasn't been released yet, but we went on quite a journey, to be honest with you, across the state of Kentucky and into Tennessee for one, it'll be released in 2025, but the area in Kentucky in the Somerset area is an area that the Greek God Pan has been documented to be, to have been tried. How do I say this?

People have tried summoning the Greek God Pan in, I believe it was Somerset, Kentucky. And I don't know if they, I don't know if they were successful. but the Greek god Pan seems to hop up a lot with this kind of stuff. And of all the ancient gods and stuff, why do you think Pan often pops up with this? What is it about Pan that they're trying to, that they want to try summoning him over, I don't know, Zeus. I don't know. Well, they're pretty much, they're the same thing. Don't tell me that.

Really? Yeah. Wow. Same. Because, what was it? In fact, up there, the case when Jesus was the apostles at Sissarap Philippa, you know, you got the Greek God Pans domain right there, as well as the gates of Hades. And you had Mount Hermann. You know, all three, you know, are all visible right where Jesus asked.

He said, you know, who people say that I am and, you know, all the different apostles. Some say you're Jeremiah. Some say you're this. Some say you're that. He said, but who do you say that I am? And the only one was Peter. He's like, you know, you're with Christ. You're the Messiah.

And he said, blessed are you for, you know, my father in heaven has revealed this to you. And no man has. And, you know, the thing was is when he was asking him, specifically when he was asking them that, it's like these were the three things that were right behind him. So he was specifically asking them. He was literally, like Mike Hezer said, he said he was sticking his thumb in the eye of the enemy and provoking him because he knew that two weeks from that point

that he was going to be crucified. Man, that's wild. That's wild. It's going to have to make, I'm going to have to reassess all the Disney movies now. Been down that road. I've been down that road. But so you mentioned also about the Babylon,

What was it, the Babylon working ritual? Is that what you called it? Yes. That was the, it was based off the Amalantra working, which was the original ritual that Crowley had performed. And keep in mind, what was it? It was not too long after he performed, or while he was performing that, whenever he dealt with or met the, or summoned the entity, AWAS that gave him the book of the law. it over a three-day period

dictated the book of the law that he wrote down, which is also very, that's another one of those ones like when I was reading some of Kenneth Arnold's writings, how, and Kenneth just, I mean, seriously,

if you read his books, the Typhonian series, and I don't recommend anybody read it, but this guy brags and he boasts quite a bit. And the book that I was reading out of his Typhonian series, Kenneth Arnold wrote, one called Alistair Crowley and the Hidden God.

And in that book, he says that the book of the law, part of the reason why the book of the law came into existence was to pave the way for the man of sin. And right after the book of the law was released, World War I broke out. Now, Crowley, you know, he said that there was something to that. So, you know, years down the road, he re-released it. And right after he released it the second time, World War II broke up. At that point, he became convinced that this has something to do with bringing about the end of the world, bringing about the man of sin, the son of perdition, and that this was causing a baptism of blood, was the words that he used.

And along with communism and abortion and all this other stuff, this was all paving the way, creating this baptism of blood for the man of sin that was about to come on the scene. In fact, what was it? It was, oh, Charles Raised Tussle, or Charles Hayes Russell, he was the one who started the Jehovah's Witnesses. And they had a prediction that the end of the world would begin on this date. I can't remember if it was October 2nd or October 4th, 1914. but whatever the date was that they predicted that that was going to come about, that was the day that Jack Parsons was born.

So how fitting is it that you got this individual born on the day that the Jehovah's Witnesses made this prediction that the end of the world would begin on this particular date and that that guy would go on to become the one that referred to himself as the Antichrist and that he would be one of the ones that served in a, Alex de Crowley, who was 6666, the beast, and that he would take his ritual, the Amalantra working, tweak it and call it the Babylon working ritual. And that was the things they were trying to bring about the whore of Babylon, bring about the Antichrist, and bring about the end of the world.

And supposedly they were successful. We are now living in the end days because they, you know, trying to help out the Bible, not that it needed any help, but that they wanted to bring about the end of the world. And that's the thing is that they are in league or were in league with these entities. And like I said, I judge everything by their fruits. So you got the Scientologists, these OT-7s, they're doing remote viewing, they're having these hitchhiker phenomenon, and just some of the stuff that they, and that's the thing is, you know, people think the remote viewing is all nonsense.

It's not nonsense. you look at the data and you look at, I mean, why would they fund this program that, you know, if it doesn't yield any results, it has to be renewed every single year. Why would they keep renewing it for 20 years? Yeah, it's, I think we understand there's something to it. And I think that we'd be foolish to think that the higher-ups wouldn't think there's something to it either. They do throw money at it.

And they don't, you know, like, I'm, well, I don't want to say they don't throw money at things that aren't worth throw money at because they do that a lot too. But it's definitely something to consider. So if Parsons, you said Parsons said that he was the Antichrist, right? Yes. So where does that leave us then, according to his theology, if he was the Antichrist, then according to him, then we're not. longer on the guard for an antichrist at this point, right?

Now, the son of perdition has not come on saying. He wanted to be, or he referred to himself as antichrist. He, and that's the thing is we know that there's going to be multiple antichrist. Right. But he was, that was the thing is that he wanted to bring about the horror of Babylon and bring about the son of perdition. So that he supposedly in his autobiography before he died, he had wrote that he was contacted by the spirit of the moon child that he had created and that it referred to itself as

Hilarion and said that I am here. And what was it also? I thought just got away from me. I had another thought that I was going to tie in with that. You have a lot of thoughts in your head to keep track of, my friend. You got a lot of information. So with Parsons then, you had mentioned him and, Hubbard had opened a portal even wider,

is on that premise and that thought process, would that portal still be open to this day then? And what would be going in and out at this point? Yeah. And like I said, this is the part of the investigation that San Bruno and the Air Force had determined that they believed that he had not only opened this portal, but that he had widened the one that

Alastair Crowley had originally done back in 1904 when he made contact with AWAS. So, yeah. So we're talking, you know, military involvement. I remember you saying in the documentary about their, I think you said something about there being sorcery at the Pentagon. Am I remembering that correctly, or rituals on military bases?

that was a newspaper article that I incorporated in there we're they you know we're talking about sorcery at the Pentagon talking about a lot of this stuff as far as like rituals going on at military bases and even the the whole thing about the remote viewing program but yeah Arizona Wilder who's one of the people at the beginning of the film you get to hear her talking about a lot of the satanic rituals that are going on out at military bases and that naval intelligence is involved in a lot of this. But she also went so far as to say that a lot of people in naval intelligence are also

part of the OTO, Ordo Templea orionis. So that right there should tell you everything you need to know. Yeah. I mean, so what would be, I guess this might be a basic elementary question, but like what would be the purpose and and motivations to be getting involved in, you know, these kind of rituals and stuff at their level, you know, I mean, is this, is this basically signifying and saying that within our own ranks of military, they're using, you know, sorcery, magical means to accomplish what they're trying to accomplish on a military level?

all of it it's it's all about power it's no different than what the uh nazis were doing uh back during war war uh two um yeah even the symbology that the nazis were using as well you know the the lightning bolts you know these are ancient rooms you know even the swastika and so on you know people are like the swastika that's the nazis it's like that's symbol is over two thousand years old you know it's Like, they were using ancient runes symbols because they believe that they have power. And they were trying to tap into that power because a lot of people get hung up on this whole thing that the Nazis were all about, you know, white supremacy and it's all about eugenics and stuff like that. You're getting, you know, you're getting lost in the muddy water. It's like really look at what it is that they were talking about.

and what were they saying? They believed that they were the descendants of the Aryans. And who were the Aryans? Well, the Aryans were the descendants of the Atlanteans. Okay, well, who are the Atlanteans? Well, let's look at what Helena Blavoski said about the Atlanteans. She said, and her book Secret Doctrines, Volume 2, and one of the things that she translated called the Book of Dizzy on, she says that they built statues the size of their bodies. That was nine-yard. he's hot. Well, Yachti is three feet. So nine times three is 27 feet tall. That's directly tying them into Genesis 6 and the Nephilim. They believed they were the descendants of the Nephilim. That's what they were tapping into. And that's no different from all the other governments around the world,

including the United States. And keep in mind that under Project Paperclip, we absorbed almost 1600 Nazis. And when they came over here, they brought all their beliefs with them. And the U.S. military was already steeped in a lot of this stuff as well and doing a lot of very unethical experiments on humans. And I go through all that in the film as well. I show because people are like, they couldn't be mixed up in this. They wouldn't get into that.

And it's like, when you see what they're doing to their own citizens, how hard is it to believe that they got mixed up into the satanic? If something yields results gives you power and technology and things like that, you know, that's not going to deter a lot of people. Yeah. So what you're saying is that even before Project Paperclip bringing 1600 Nazis over, our government was already involved in this esoteric type stuff trying to, you know, gain an advantage of by any means possible.

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man, you know, we're living in real interesting times with what's being disclosed to the public and then who's doing the disclosing. So, you know, you got George Knapp and people like that who've been out for a long time. But now you're seeing people like Tucker Carlson. I mean, Tucker Carlson is talking about UFOs now for the last, I don't know, six, seven years. And, you know, now that he's not at the network, I mean, it seems like he's talking more about. and he was just on Rogan recently, really saying things just kind of unhinged, not unhinged, not handcuffed. There's no handcuffs on the guy. And he's saying things. And, you know, there's part of me that kind of, I don't know what the right word is. It's not jealous or envious. But there is part of me that's like, I've been saying this, you know.

But now, you know, but Tucker Carlson says, like, no. we've been saying this, you know, but now that Tucker Carlson's saying it, now it has, you know, weight to it or now people are questioning Tucker Carlson's sanity. But, you know, he's talking about these UFOs, these, well, let's just say the UFOs. He's talking about UFOs and the things that are are piloting the UFOs being spiritual beings. Like, I know it's, it's groundbreaking for the rest of the world, but that's something that we've been kind of going down for a while now. And I pulled this up here before, and I want to kind of steer you in this direction because I think it's interesting. And I think it does relate to the pop culture

idea of Stranger Things. I told you before we started recording, one of the things that I take most joy in is telling people the clickbait phrase, Stranger Things is real. I love telling people that because they're like, why crazy? I'm like, no, listen, it really is for so many reasons. And I think what's going on here, I have a tweet here. I'm just going to read it so I can get the information out to you. In terms of those metallic spheres slash drones, this is what alleged new firsthand UFO whistleblower Jason Sands had to say in the space last night, meaning an X space or a Twitter space. The metallic spheres are N-H-I non-human intelligence drones.

They're using them because our direct energy weapons are affecting their manned craft. And so, like, the tweet goes on. But that right there, like, so Jason Sand's saying that we're using direct energy weapons on manned craft that are coming from other realms. And now they're using their own drones because of that. To me, that tells me there's some kind of warfare going on right now between, I say us very loosely and things coming from other realms. And I say loosely because I personally feel like there are coalitions and alliances between us, humans, and these other entities and beings. And I think

what you laid out for the last 45 minutes, it draws that picture of people summoning, entities, bringing entities into this realm, not just for the fun of it, but to work alongside of them for their own reasons. And so if our government, our militaries are doing this, yet we're also warring, it seems like there's this, it's hard. The only way I can think of it is if if we're shooting down things that are coming from other realms, yet we're working alongside of things that are coming from other realms, it tells me that in these other realms, there are opposing factions as well. Does that make sense at all? I don't know how else to describe it. I mean, we talk about, like, you know, angelic beings, like God's angels and you had the fallen angels.

Well, those two factions would be warring with one another. But then you have these other ancient gods, you know, Psalm 82, these other god entities. And it's just like, to me, I think that this other realm, and maybe it's probably more definitely multiple realms, and the things that exist in these realms, there seems to be a hierarchy and a constant struggle. I just find it interesting that this guy is saying that we're actually shooting. You're pretty close to being right on target with what you're talking about, whether you realize it or not. The whole thing about them encountering these crafts,

even in the FBI document that I brought up in the higher entities film, FBI document 6751. They talk about these things are interdimensional and coming from another dimension. And they said that they can appear at will. And it talked about don't engage with these things because they have some sort of particle weapon.

And then even George Nap here recently on one of his interviews, one of the last ones he did with Jeremy Corbell on Joe Rogan's podcast, he talked about that when he went to Russia and they gave him a lot of the documents where they've been having encounters and studying UFO phenomenon. They gave him documents showing how at one point their military used to engage with these things

whenever they would come in contact. And after, you know, three different occasions where they engaged with the UFO, you know, all three craft were shot down, but two pilots were able to eject out of different craft. but the third one, they actually killed the pilot. And after that, the Russian military told them, that's it, don't engage with these things anymore. They have, you know, possible, you know, unknown powers of retaliation and just to leave them alone. And you're talking, you got into the whole thing about Psalms 82,

about the other gods that are talked about the, you know, the gods over the nations. had become corrupted. And that's why in that passage, he says that you shall die like men. Well, the reason why he told him that, because they are gods, that they are going to die like men, because they are going to die like men because they had become corrupted, and they've corrupted humanity. And his one portion, which was Israel, which was his land,

that he rules over. You know, you get into the whole thing, what's the next book or the next film that I'm going to do is going to be over the nine. And what that gets into is there has been nine gods throughout every pantheon of every civilization that have ruled over all the other gods. And, you know, you get into the Egypt, you look at the Aeneid, or the Inead, and you got the nine gods that ruled over Olympus, you know, the nine that were ruled over India, the nine that ruled over Mesopotamia and so on. It just goes on and on and on. And so I just found that very odd and unique that there was these nine gods that kept talking about throughout different, you know, different pantheons and different civilizations. Like, what is up with all this?

And then you start looking at some of the stuff that Alistair Crowley said. And he said, I serve my God Lucifer and his Augustus Council of Nine. And he actually names all nine of them and, you know, the head being Lucifer. So then I'm like, okay, that's, you know, because you start looking at different gods and different, you know, different things. And they all have the same qualities, you know, whether this be the storm god over here, he's a storm god over here, he's a storm god over here, he's a storm god over here. It doesn't matter what. They might have different names, but they're the same entity. And that's where I'm going to go with this next film that I'm going to do is I'm going to get in.

I'm going to show how these, they've been around forever. They've been here since the Garden of Eden, and that they are the Augustus Council of None. And, you know, even Purrich and all them, who was tied up with Yuri Geller, he was part of this group that was making contact with these entities called the Council of Nine. And, you know, Gene Roddenberry was tied up in all this. You know, he was part of Lab 9 as well as the round-term. table and all the other names that this group all held.

But he was sitting there writing every single thing down that these entities were dictating. And this is where we get the TV show, Star Trek, that everybody is just so beloved and just, you know, they, and when you really start looking at how much he incorporated of all the stuff that he was being told by these entities into the television show, you know, the nine crew members on the bridge, the NCC 17, no one plus seven plus zero plus one equals nine and then you got deep space nine you got the non-majoring gods that live in this wormhole and I mean just the more you sit here and start putting all this together it's like holy cow it's like and then you know even when you find out that what is it the one that shot Kennedy goodness I can't think of his name oh jack um osborne uh Osborne Oswald, right? Yeah, Oswald.

He was mixed up in this group. He was part of this group that was channeling the nine, the council nine. It's like, so yeah, that's a whole story all itself. So I was like, okay, this is going to be the next one I'm going to tackle. I can't wait for that. I kind of messaged you about that a little bit because I'm actually, I just looked up just an article. And if this article is what you're talking about.

out. First of all, let me ask you. So are you saying the council of nine are more than likely, if not in your mind, already assured that they are the gods of Psalm 82? I believe so. They are part of that group. Wow. And the nine are the top nine out of that group that rule over all the other ones. Interesting. So you got the top nine and then they're there's still a layer underneath of that, which adds to the complexity, which is what I was talking about, which is what you're talking about. It's, it's, there is, there is layers to this. And it's, I honestly, I wish it was as simple as happy angels, bad angels, demons, Lucifer. That's it. Like, I went on God, right? Like, I wish it was that simple. But it seems like

there is a whole history of this other realm that we do not have readily accessible information on that just spells it out for you simply. There's a whole history that is being revealed. It really is. And that's the thing. A lot of people, they know about the fallen angels. They know about the 200 that came down on Mount Hermann back in the days of Jared. But it's like, who were they? why did they come? What was their purpose? And when you really start digging in and looking into all this, it's not hard to come to the conclusion. It's like this was a complete thing about like a commando unit. And they were sent here with the intent purpose of blotting out the coming of the Messiah. Because keep in mind back in the Garden of Eden, when, you know, what happened happened, you know, God laid down judgment on the serpent. He said, I'll put enmity between her. her seed and your seed, you know, and that, you know, you'll bruise his foot while he crushes your head. They already knew what was coming. They knew that there's something to do with the bloodline.

And so that is why they sent this commando unit of 200 fallen angels to Mount Hermann to basically corrupt all flesh on the planet and to corrupt all animals on the planet, everything, so that that way they could blot out the coming Messiah and prove God to be a life. liar. It is amazing to consider all this stuff we've been talking about and how it kind of goes back to ancient times. Is the Council of Nine,

is Apollo and Zeus part of that? Yes. Man. Man. And you know about CERN. I know that you know about the Temple of Zeus, which was the same temple that they had disassembled and carried to Nazi

Germany and that was the same temple that whenever Hitler was up there foaming at the mouth giving his speeches, he's standing on the exact same temple that was the seat of Satan, the temple of Zeus. And so, and just, you know, again, why are they getting into all these ancient artifacts and ancient symbol, symbology and writings and so on? It's like there is a reason and method behind, Even the fact that after World War II, when they moved the temple to Berlin, and then all of a sudden, then the Berlin wall goes out and everything breaks crazy over there. It's like there's something about these temples, these artifacts and symbols and symbology, all this. There is something to this. Something to it for sure.

And you brought up CERN. And I kind of want to just pick your brain on what I had messaged you earlier on because when you mentioned about the council of nine, I had just got done looking at something. And I was reading about the nine miners that lost their lives during the construction of CERN and how when they had the opening the ceremony for the tunnel, they did a whole ritual that was honoring those. those nine minors. And I, it was like a passing thought. I think I shot over your way. I was like, is it possible that those nine miners could have been more on the long lines of sacrifices for this council of nine? I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Does it tie together at all? Is it just me reading tea leaves that aren't there? I mean, I wouldn't think that you could be too far off target. I mean, you could be very close to

the truth with all that because, I mean, they love their, their numbers. We know they love numerology and, you know, the whole thing about Jamatria and so on. And they love their human sacrifices as well. But yeah, there's definitely something to that. And like I said, when you find out that that same temple, we were just discussing that the temple of Apollo was actually moved. But it used to be smackdad right in the middle of the large Hadron Collider. and that they believe that that is where the bottomless pit is located underneath that area in particular. Wow. And I know that you also, I think you brought up about them when they would fire it up.

They kept seeing these portals opening up and they were seeing entities moving around. And they've been talking about that for a long time. That every time they fire it up, depending on how powerful it is when they do it, that yeah, these things, not only do they appear while they're doing this, but they will go on for weeks after they shut the machine down, that these things continuously start showing up and shadow people moving around out there at CERN and different things like that. So yeah. It's funny because I live here in East Tennessee and we have our own little mini CERN at Oak Ridge. And I was at a birthday party, a kid's birthday party this past weekend.

I was talking to one of the parents and he works at CERN. Or not CERN at Oak Ridge. And I asked him, I said, because he brought about the particle accelerator. And I said, yeah, you know about CERN. And he's like, no, what's CERN? I was like, oh, brother. I was like, how much time do you have? But do you think that what we see happening at CERN is more than likely happening

at these other smaller particle accelerators? I know, I think it's China that was talking about building one. it's bigger than CERN or if they're, maybe they're constructing it now. But I mean, I've heard stories coming out of my local particle accelerator that makes me feel like whatever is happening at CERN is being mirrored in these other locations as well. I know we have one in Chicago area as well. Yeah, I think there's a couple in Texas as well. There's quite a few of them located all over the United States that most people aren't even aware of. And yeah, I've heard a bizarre account. out of several of them.

Yeah. In fact, I believe was Aaron Melissa Dykes at TrueStream Media. They've done a couple, or at least one episode that I know of talking about multiple Hadron colliders located all over the planet. It's a fascinating topic to dive down. The whole thing, because it ties into so much stuff. And I think what you do and people like you, you really kind of do these deep dives into these topics and you're really helping to marry it all together for people to see how it is

all intertwined and connected. It's not easy to do because there's so many, so much information out there, but also so many branches to go down that circle back around to one another. I commend you guys for doing what you guys do. So with the idea of Stranger Things, okay? Stranger Things is real. I've already established that. Are monsters, creatures, coming from other realms into this realm. Do you think that's something that from the TV show can be mirrored into this reality of our lives? I personally say yes, but what do you say? I say you're 100% correct.

In fact, the true story of Stranger Things, when Duncan and all them were out there, which I know that you probably read the book, where it ties in with the Philadelphia experiment and all that. They said that the last time that they had fired up the machine because they had this chair called the Montauk chair that the kids would sit in and somehow enhanced their powers, their abilities. And I think that this was tying in with remote viewing, to be honest with you. That was the thing is that a lot of these children,

they were kidnapping them straight off the street. These were like runaway kids. and they would literally torture these kids. I mean, they tortured them not just psychologically, but physically as well. And they would beat animals in front of them and kill animals. They would do horrible things to the kids, talked about picking them up, having like a tub full of ice water and a tub full of hot water.

And they would yank them out of one tub and throw them into the other and just keep doing this back and forth, back and forth until eventually their minds would just shatter. And Russ Dizzar, he did an awesome job in his book, The Black Awakening. I'll never forget one of the things I read in there that he talked about, he said that they shatter their minds to open them up to demonic possession. That is the key takeaway about satanic ritual abuse that most people just really, you know, they're like, why do they do this?

Why do they torture their kids and do these rituals and abuse their children? Well, that's why. They're literally trying to open them up to demonic people because, you know, they want something to come in and to inhabit them. They're opening the doorways deliberately. This is why some of these people are just so completely evil. I mean, because they are, they are demonically possessed, straight up, you know, and they can be people of power. And people say that, you know, what is it? I've heard the thing.

they say that narcissists make the best businessman and salesmen because they're just so cut throat and it's like they have no empathy whatsoever. Why do you think that is? Because a lot of these people are demonically possessed. That's why they could thrive in business. And the same thing with the music and movie industry. No these people get into these positions of power unless they sell their souls. And they all openly talk about it.

There's a great series that Goodby Ministries has put out called. they sold their souls for rock and roll. And you can hear it straight from the horse's mouth. They will tell you that they literally sold their souls so that they could have positions of power. You know, look at what's coming out right now with P. Diddy and all this. He's another Epstein. And, you know, the thing is that you will, one of the things that I did find out doing this research for the film is that Satanist and espionage go hand in hand. you know, you get into like the intelligence agencies and espionage and all that,

you will always come face to face with Satanus, people that are doing satanic rituals. Because, I mean, even Alastair Crowley and all his cronies, all his buddies, they all work for the intelligence agency. He worked for British intelligence. A lot of people don't know that. It's not a hard thing to uncover. You can do a little digging and you'll find that real quick.

guess. And that was one of the things that they were very embarrassed about. But, you know, going all the way back to like John D. and Queen Elizabeth, they've always gone hand in hand. I refuse to believe that Taylor Swift is anything but pure-hearted. Okay, sir? So I'm just kidding. I'm not a Swifty. I'm not a Swifty. But, no, I agree with you. I absolutely agree with you. you were bringing up the Montauk project, I just last week was on the phone with a guy. Maybe the recording will happen, maybe it won't. I'm not sure yet for many different reasons. And just to be honest with you, one of the reasons is that I'm not sure it's fair to do that to him.

you know, there are some people, I just, you're listening. All right, let me just say this way. I'm talking to the guy and he's telling me about how, from his childhood, how certain things happened to him. And one of the things that happened to him was he was called to his principal's house with his parents. And they had this meeting about why he's not working in the school. And he wound up getting put into a program.

he later then said that his parents basically sold him into the program but he would travel from Indiana to New York as a child. They would drive there and then his parents would fly back and leave him in New York. And he said that he was going into this. He didn't say it was a school. It was like a facility and they started doing like these tests on him and torturing and this, that and the other. And he's talking about all this stuff. But he didn't say it as clear as I just said it to you.

And I just, after like 30 minutes, I just stopped him. I said, are you talking to me about Camp Hero? Are you telling me you were part of the Montau project? He's like, yes. And I said, why didn't you just say that? And he said, I didn't know if you knew what that was. And I'm like, yeah, I know what that is, you know? And I started, he was talking about and his, this is, this is, I think, a common thing with people that are involved in this stuff is that this affects them their entire lives, that they're trying to recover from it. and he said that he was put into this program with two other kids. And the two other kids, he said, were highly intelligent. He wasn't on that level of intellect. And he said, when they were done with these kids, these kids were mentally handicapped.

They just abused the snot out of them. But the reason why I say, I'm not sure if he's going to be on or not, is because I find that, and I've talked to several people like this man, very hard to get. the quote-unquote story, the idea out of, it's all so compartmentalized and chopped up, the story, their life story of them sharing it seems to be very fragmented and doesn't make much sense until you start piecing things together. And I just don't know if it's a good, a good marriage for the show per se. But I hung up with the guy, absolutely believe in him. It's just one of those things where it's so deep and intertwined that these people, the things that people go through, how do you reveal that in an episode? You know? But it's just, again, these government programs being so intertwined with the occult and magic, other realms, trying to bring things in to possess people, demonic entities, monsters coming from other realms. You mentioned Duncan.

It's reality is mirroring stranger things. Reality is mirroring the science fiction. Oh, and real quick, I didn't finish my thought because I started rattling off going down a rabbit trail, but you were saying about these things being real and interdimensional and that, you know, cryptos and so on, that the last time that Duncan was in the chair, one of the operators had walked up and said something like the time is now or something like that because they were getting ready to shut the program down. That's when he envisioned some sort of a creature. And what was crazy about it was when this thing showed up on the base out there at Camp Hero that you're talking about, different people saw different things.

And I'll bring up another point about Skinwalker Ranch where they had something similar. they talked about how some people said this thing was nine feet tall, other people said it was 30 feet tall, but they said it was huge and it was hairy. You listen to the description of it, and they say it sounds like a gigantic big foot. That just literally went on a rampage and just started destroying everything in sight. You know, finally, whenever they were able to kill the power to the chair or whatever and stuff,

that's when it finally came to a conclusion and stopped. But even out at Skinwalker Ranch, one of the books that I read, they talk about how one night there was three men out there somewhere on the ranch. I don't know exactly what area they were in, but they all three saw this light. And what was bizarre was whenever they were using their night vision goggles and so on, they were looking, each one saw something different. you know one person saw a triangle another person saw a sphere another one saw a square but you know they all saw something different and they could see that light was emanating from whatever this object was even the pilots that encounter some of these craft they talk about how you know those multiple pilots will see it but they talk about different kinds of craft you know they're seeing something different and so like i said these things have the ability to appear whatever they want to appear as to us. And so, yeah,

it's, that is something that, um, has be coming popular with just coming across the desk for me. Uh, and most recently, I did an episode with, uh,

Mike Cleland. He, I call him the owl guy. Like, that's what he does. And I think he probably calls himself the owl guy. I mean, if you're looking to figure out why people are seeing owl,

during UFO encounters or things like that, he's pretty much the guy for that. And he had his own experiences and stuff that kind of launched him into this research. And he just, you know, he strikes me as more agnostic than anything as far as his perspectives on life. But one thing that he talked about

was how people will sometimes have an experience together where they will see a four-foot, five-foot out, right? So say you and I are in the car together and we're like, whoa, what is that? You know, that doesn't exist. A five foot owl doesn't exist. I'm like, did you see that? You're like, yeah, I saw it. I'm like, that owl was huge. And you're like, what owl?

I didn't see an owl. I saw an upright walking dog, you know? And like people are seeing, they're having an experience, but they're not seeing the same thing. And I think he related to screen memories and like these things, whatever they are, are implanting memories and visions and ideas into our. our head and it's different for each person. And it's a very, it's an interesting topic to go down, but it's also disconcerning. All this is disconcerning. The fact that we launched the conversation off

with the hitchhiker effect and how just because you have nothing to do with this topic, just because you're in my mere presence and I went to the property, you're susceptible to, you know, having this stuff happen. I think this is all just fascinatingly bizarre. And I guess my my last question for you would be to tie this up, I bring up the hitchhiker effect. With all this stuff that you have been researching and things like that, have you had experiences of hitchhiker effects just by looking into these things? I don't believe that I've had any experiences as far as the hitchhacker phenomenon. But real quick to add what you were just talking about, Carla Turner, who was one of the leading UFOologists out there, who's also a Christian, that has since

passed away. She got into a lot of that about them, you know, manipulating how we perceive them sometimes as well as trying to trick people. She had a story in there talking about that involved her son and her daughter-in-law. And in the story, she talked about how the daughter was outside of the car. They pulled up, but she didn't remember how she got out of the car. She's just standing there. She knows that the car is to her back.

And she's seeing what looks almost like a, what is it? Like a doorway, but it's camouflaged or it's, you know, like the predator. It looks like the predator. It's just a silhouette and outline. And she's looking at this. And she keeps hearing her husband tell her, come on, you know, come with me or something like that. And she sees this doorway standing there next to him. And she's just like, you know, I don't want to go.

over there. And she's like, you know, finally she says she finally turned around and look back. And when she turned around, look back, she saw her husband sitting in the car frozen and he was not moving. Wow. And at that point, she realized that that that was not her husband that was standing in front of her, that it was something posing as her husband trying to get her to go with it. And even Sharon Gilbert, I don't know, you know, Derek Gilbert's wife, she even tells a story how she one night. there was something posing as Derek laying in her bed. And she said as soon as she laid eyes on it, she knew that that wasn't Derek.

I mean, yeah. That's, well, both are terrifying. You know, one of these days I got to talk to Derek and Sharon Gilbert. One of those things, I always say I got to do these things and I never get around to it, right? But you're talking about this, this shimmering doorway, we'll call it. I know what you're talking about. I lack the verbiage myself for it.

I've talked about several times now, even entities appearing that way. But that particular instance where there's this shimmering doorway, her husband's there saying, come to me, it really makes you wonder how often and that happens and does that have anything to do with the missing 401 type scenarios where people are going missing seemingly you know without a trace there's no reason or cause to it

they're just they're just gone uh i mean what if what if you know that some of some of the situations where that has happened where somebody went missing and they banished there are David has a few stories where you can actually hear the person. You can hear them, but you can't see them. You can hear them screaming for help. And they'll walk around for like hours and they can hear them screaming out hollering for help. And it's like they're getting dimmer and dimmer and dimmer until eventually you just

can't hear them anymore at all. And yeah. So again, is that that they've gone into another reality. Upside down, man. Like that's the upside down. Like literally she's saying. And Will, I hear you, but I don't see you. And he's like, Mom, I hear you, but I don't see you.

That's wild. That's wild. Did you ever watch the TV show Debris? Did you ever see that one? No. Where can I see it? Yeah, there was a... You might be able to find it online.

It's called Debris. And in one of the episodes, it's about this UFO that came into our galaxy, and as it got closer, it hits something, and it literally disintegrated, and pieces of the ship come raining down all over the planet while different parts of this debris do different things and in this particular one episode it has something to do with this it's illuminating a portal and they get into a whole thing about portals in this episode and whenever this piece of debris activates a portal will appear you see like this rectangular window and you can see shadow people moving around in there and they come up close to the thing. They're all touching it and come to find out one of the people

that they can hear in there went missing like, I don't know, maybe about 10, 12 years in the past. And she said that, you know, it comes to find out later on that she had went to go. Her and her dad were out shopping. She decided to go back out to the truck. And as she was walking outside to get in the truck, she walked to a portal. And she's been stuck in this dimension all this time. And at the end, they finally were able to activate it and open the portal up and all the people that were trapped inside. There was multiple people. And there's like 30 or 40 people that had been trapped in there for different periods of time.

Wow. So, all right. So I love talking about this stuff. So from your perspective, I mean, I don't care if you agree with me or not. I tend to think that people, whether it's accidental or on purpose, can traverse realms. I don't know how. I don't know how, but I think it's possible. And I have a guy that, and I was talking about him actually before we started recording,

that at the time of this recording, he'll be getting released for a member show tomorrow or Thursday this week. He basically says just that. I mean, but here's the crazy thing, man. Like, he said as he was entering this other being taken to this other realm, it was different because I think he said it was like two or three men. I think bald guys with beards and mustaches were there. And they were kind of caught off guard that he could even, like he was awake. He could see them.

And they informed him that they were preparing him for surgery to have, I guess, physical upgrades for a coming war. that he was going to be involved in. I close my eyes and I'm going into the other realm. But this time I open my eyes and I'm looking up and it's all white. And then there's three men standing above me. So I don't see any colors or anything. I see white and there's three men.

They're bald like me. One of them has a mustache. Two of them have glasses. And they're in white coats. and I start freaking out, but two of them look at each other, and one of them says he's not supposed to see us. And I start fighting,

and then that's when, I'm right here, right behind my right ear, I feel a poke, and it's like, it's like I'm being electrocuted. My body goes into convulsions. It's like I'm,

I'm being electrocuted. I thought I'm dying. They told me, were upgrading me for war, an upcoming war. Whatever that is, I have no idea. I don't know anything about all this stuff, stuff. And, you know, he is one of several people that I've either talked to or know about that have done this traversing of realms. Some people do it through, you know, mushrooms or some kind of drug. Some do us through lucid dreaming. And some get to a point where they're able to do it almost on demand. And so, I mean, like, that's my perspective coming from my show,

doing my show, talking with people. What are your thoughts on it? Like, do you think that that is probably still the science fiction route of things? Or do you think people could actually traverse realms through these portals and stuff? Like, like what the lady you were talking about. I mean, if she would have said yes, do you think she would have gone to another realm that wouldn't have killed her, but she would have been somewhere else? that's very well a possibility and i know that briefly before we got started i brought up when you mentioned that i said something about the and i haven't done a whole lot of research into this but it sounded like something called the dirros these entities that can um come into our space time but

usually whenever they are about to appear uh people describe that everything around them just starts to get really bizarre. Like, and, and, you know, just some of the stuff that I've read about that, it reminded me also of the missing 4-11, where David Pollites would talk about whenever you are out in the open. And he says that if, like, all, everything goes quiet, like the birds, the insects, and the wind goes still. And it gets completely quiet.

He said that you need to sit down and stop moving because, you know, he says that usually that's a telltale sign that something. about to happen so you could end up disappearing. They said that if you're with somebody and you all need to sit back to back and just sit still until the sound and the wind picks back up again. But there's also another thing I didn't mention to you. One of the things that I got into in the film was a group of individuals called the Writers that Linda Moulton Howe had made contact with to a friend of mine named Ray Boucher.

He had put her in contact. You might have heard of Rabies Shea. He's, some people know this group as the, the Collins Elite. It's not necessarily the Collins Elite. That's a name that's a moniker that somebody gave to him, a writer.

But they were actually known as the writers. When Linda Moulton Howe was actually dealing with them and talking to them, this is a group of individuals within the DOJ, the Pentagon, that were witnessing, a lot of the satanic rituals and things that were going on in military bases and different things. And they were highly disturbed. You know, not only was this stuff was it being done and being carried out,

but that it was very real and that it was yielding results. And so one of the things that they talked about in the paperwork that Ray Boucher sent me, he said that some of these people are being taken. Excuse me. some of these people are being taken and they almost like in suspended animation it almost looks like they're in crystals and they are just literally frozen in time and so that was another thing that they got into that they were talking about that said that some of these people are being taken they don't know exactly why they're being taken for what purpose but they said that they know

that they are being taken to other places and that they are literally in like a suspended animation So many things to uncover and discover. So little time. So, hey, man, listen, I appreciate you hopping all with me and talking about all this stuff. I just think it's so fascinating. You cover so much information on the documentary. The link for the documentary we're going to put in the description of this episode. Again, the title is Skim Walkers and Stranger Things of the Unseen Realm. I love it. I appreciate it. appreciate you coming on and talking to me and, you know, indulging me in my, my nonsense. I appreciate it. And I just, thank you very much, man. It's been a long time and hopefully we can do it again,

especially when you come out with the next one, like the nine gods. Like the, that's something I just, I want to hear about. Yeah, I look forward to getting that out. And it's a pleasure, as always, come on here and hang out with you. And hopefully we can do it again soon. And, uh, I'd look forward to checking out your film as well. I thought my old motto was a VA. I was working for a cylinder to death. Dreams running on fumes don't rest. You could balking for my soul for a mansion

and a couple billboards, no less. Yeah. Thank God for a couple roadblocks. I don't know if I'd stop where the road and ends. Spend years looking for the real me always came up. Highlines trying to be the highlight. But in all the guidelines. Yeah.

Miss the boat with no lifelines. Yeah. and I don't need you, uh, neon lights make a path for my breath like smoke in the cold every weekend.