The Confessionals - 665: Bloodlines of Monsters

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

In Episode 665: Nathan Reynolds, shares his harrowing journey from being born into a secretive family with a dark legacy to his experiences as an elite operative. In this gripping interview, Nathan re...veals the chilling realities of his upbringing, which involved encounters with otherworldly monsters and participation in covert military operations. He talks about the hidden realms and secret societies that shaped his life, recounting stories of feral people, dogmen, biblical creatures, and deep underground military bases. Nathan's story is one of survival and redemption, shedding light on the shadowy corners of his past and the extraordinary challenges he faced.Nathan Reynolds:YouTube: @NathanReynoldsWebsite: snatchedfromtheflames.comMEET TONY AT:7/27/24 - Smokey Mountain Bigfoot Conference: http://smokymountainbigfootconference.com/8/1/24 - Armed Media Conference: Click HereSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinAFFILIATESPrepare with Valley Food Storage: https://alnk.to/2uG55AOGet your Nephilim Blaster 2000: https://alnk.to/9mnHak1Bluecosmo Satellite phones: https://alnk.to/e769EipSee Bigfoot with Sionyx night vision: https://alnk.to/bEhxr3FEmergency medical with My Medic: https://alnk.to/dpr6QM4Black Beard Fire Starters: https://alnk.to/4BFcIbeEcoFlow Power Generators: https://alnk.to/flvpAQwGoDark Faraday Bags: https://alnk.to/5jke3rkEMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase!SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: contact@theconfessionalspodcast.comSubscribe to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - AdiosYouTube | Apple | Spotify

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey guys, this is a reminder. We have a new podcast at Merkel Media called Free the Rabbits, hosted by Joel Thomas. This podcast is available on YouTube, Rumble, Apple, Spotify. Wherever you get your podcast, you can listen to Free to Rabbits, hosted by Joel Thomas. Go check it out right after this episode. Merkel Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers.
Starting point is 00:00:33 reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. they basically decapitated.
Starting point is 00:01:11 And I look over and there are two push and because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals Podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. That's contact at the confessionalspodcast.
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Starting point is 00:03:41 Go ahead right now, stream it on demand. You can buy it or rent it. Either way works for me, just go ahead and check it out atmercelfilms.com. All right. today we got an awesome show. And listen, Nathan, thanks for being here. We are joined by Nathan Reynolds, everybody. And this is very just interesting how this kind of came together.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Because I was about to start telling you before we started recording, I just got, I just got wait. Because I want the people to know, because I do read the comments sometimes. I had just been, I told you, I had just come out with an episode with a woman who had been to Epstein Island. And I told you the circus around that episode. But I went to Spotify, my dashboard on Spotify. And I have a recurring question that just pops up to my Spotify listeners every week. And it's like, who do you want to see on the show?
Starting point is 00:04:30 And there's just a list of people that I have that people want to have on the show. Some people I'm like, eh, I don't want that person on the show. But there's other people like, ooh, I'd like to have that person on the show. And they never get back to me. And then your name came up. And I'm like, hmm, I've never heard that person before. And I looked you up. And I'm just kind of looking around.
Starting point is 00:04:49 and I'm like, oh, he does farming. I was thinking, well, I mean, I've done like survival shows where it's like living off grid kind of thing. I haven't done one in a while, maybe I can do that. And then I see that you had on your YouTube channel, I think you, there was some kind of connection to Billy from Permapaster Farms and his son William, permaculture consultant. Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:15 I think maybe you suggest their channels. Oh, yeah, man. All the time. Oh, yeah. And so I think on the bottom, I saw him, like, oh, they know him. So I text to William and I said, hey, do you know Nathan? He's like, oh, yeah, he's a great guy and stuff. I was like, I'm going to email him. And so I was like, okay, so there's a common person that we know because William's been on the show before. I've been on their stuff. And then I started seeing this Illuminati stuff. And I'm like, huh, maybe this is why, right? And then you just informed me more that I didn't know about, like, this whole military side of stuff. And I was like, holy crap. So, you. you have a deep bag. And I'm very interested to hear your story and how this all kind of came together for you. Shout out to William, by the way, because he's coming up this week and he's going to be processing my pigs for me. So I'll be learning how to process my pigs this week, which I'm very excited about.
Starting point is 00:06:06 So that said, we're going to do is we're going to do an overtime show. So the first half, what we're going to do is going to focus on your family history, your history, your childhood, up into. I guess adult life and we're going to let you kind of steer the ship. But kind of getting your story out there in as full context as possible, like I told you before, there is no handcuffs and there's no handcuffs on time. So feel free to just talk and share. And then we'll migrate into more of your military experience because it kind of goes hand in hand from what I understand. But you started sharing some things with me about feral people and creatures being created and kill teams and all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:49 And I'm just like, what in the world did I get myself into? I'm just super excited. So with that said, man, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me on. Yeah, really. Absolutely. So you come from a family that I've seen described online. I don't know if you describe it this way,
Starting point is 00:07:05 but you come from a family that people have described it as a Lumini family. Is that how you would describe it? That's not how I would describe it. same way. I'll be honest, it's a, I think it's just a popular catchphrase that a lot of people are borrowing into. Now, I come from a family that they believe they are descendants of the old gods. That's the best way to say it, that they believe that they are carriers of a seed line that gives them the divine right to rule. And that is what gives them justification, spiritually, emotionally, psychologically, scientifically, to dominate the lesser species known as humans. Humans literally means
Starting point is 00:07:42 a lesser species of man. And they do not believe they are a human in the same way. They believe they are something other than. And that's descendants of this hierarchical ruling species that is from the celestial realm that descended in the days of Jared and came down and procreated with the daughters of men and that they still trace their seed line back to Gilgamesh till Nimrod. And so this is what the dynastic families believe they have is a superiority in their genetics on one side and the ability to commune with the divine. And so their children are progenitors of these some might call them abriactions, mutations, these skills, psychic abilities, that kind of stuff, all variants of it. And so they raise up their children in this path with which involves a
Starting point is 00:08:25 tremendous amount of shattering of the soul and the identity so that there's compartmentalization within. And it allows them the ability to train their child up in a way that makes them conducive towards the family. I call them the family. That's what I called them. It's a better word for mafia than anything else. But no, we didn't call ourselves like, my family wouldn't ever call themselves a luminous. They're Luciferian. That's for certain. They worship halel and shaharas.
Starting point is 00:08:49 He's really known. But different reasons than what people are ascribed to, you know. Interesting. All right. So I want you to start from the beginning of what your childhood is like and just walk us through this. But before you do, you just said something that I got to ask you before, I forget. What they believe, do you believe? is true in the sense of them being able to trace back their lineage to the fallen.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Some of them, yes. I believe they absolutely can. Do you think that's in your blood? I believe it was, yeah. I believe it is. Yeah? I believe there's no way to physiologically necessarily. My blood's been augmented a lot over the years.
Starting point is 00:09:36 I volunteered for a lot of stuff and said yes to everything that they could ever give me that would make me better than what I was. I was on a desperate quest for relief. And so I volunteered for all kinds of stuff, and I volunteered for stuff that was transhuman in its nature. Really? And it augmented me quickly, you know? And that was brutal because then there's this,
Starting point is 00:10:01 I lived a lot longer than I expected. Let me just put it that way. I did not think I would ever see 18, never even comprehended the idea that I would ever know a family that wasn't this other thing. where the powers of control and access were given through the abuse of children. That's what I knew is normal. And I knew that people were corrupt and monsters and were willing to devour each other to rise to the top.
Starting point is 00:10:26 I understood what wolves were when they ran the world. And so it was very hard for me to get to a place where I could believe that I could be redeemed because I had witnessed enough of things in the families that make it seem like you are, I am irredeemable forever. And it took me, there was a single one book that made a massive difference in that, which was called The Gospel to Every Creature. And I believe it's written by John Darnell. It is very hard to find.
Starting point is 00:10:59 I have a copy, but it's been scrubbed. And it's the good news to Nephilim, vampires, and transhumans. You know, and it helped me to see that maybe I wasn't anathema, that maybe just, because I have this seed line in me, that maybe just because I'm a progenitor of the offspring of the fallen, that it doesn't mean that I'm not able to be redeemed. Because no matter what, by blood or by belief, I believe that we have a Messiah that overcame by the, and we can overcome by the blood of the lamb in the words of our testimony and not loving our lives when faced with death. And it was that powerful encounter with the almighty, with the true judge of all the earth,
Starting point is 00:11:34 who I can make an appeal to, who can give me a new bloodline, you know? And that's what he offers to everyone. And so I do believe that's available to those that come from these families. That's wild. We, I didn't. Last year in the Christmas season, I took the last two weeks of the year off and I had other people host the show. And my friend Joel did an episode that he called good Nephilim. And he kind of goes into this idea of Nephilim being able to be redeemed. And it's a concept that I feel like has not been tapped into a whole lot. And he did on my show, for I think the first time. And since then, he's kind of uncovered more information to back up his claims. But having,
Starting point is 00:12:19 you know, a real-life Nephlem here. But it's just, it kind of goes into that concept, you know? And so that's why I asked you because I was like, hold on. Like,
Starting point is 00:12:30 that's pretty wild. Like, you know, to be, like, have I ever encountered somebody who comes from that bloodline? Maybe.
Starting point is 00:12:37 I mean, I've talked to a lot of people, but how many times do you come across somebody that does come from that bloodline and acknowledges, it knows it, you know? That's, that's another thing. And so that's why I wanted to ask you that. So, um, you kind of hit on the childhood stuff right there in that kind of description. Um, was it something that came from complete childhood where it's like from earliest memories
Starting point is 00:12:59 has just been kind of manipulated and jacked up? And what was that like for you growing up? Well, my family set up a base of operations. They were, they're from the East Coast, the Reynolds family on one side. My mother's family, just, just for clarity. I've never exposed. a lot of the side of things that were going on with, let me say it another way, the Reynolds family on my father's side, they're all from the East Coast out here, and they're a dynastic family. You know, my great-grandfather, a man named Don Potter Reynolds, was the architect, the head of engineering for the president,
Starting point is 00:13:29 as the president of the American Society of Civil Engineering back in the 80s, and he's the one who put the new torch in the Luciferian hand of the Statue of Liberty of Columbia. And so he's a master, Mason, Luciferian, in that way. And he was so much of the shot caller for the family at that time, especially when I came into being. But my dad left that thing and began, moved out to the Southwest and started a different empire. And so a lot of how it works in the families is you got two main approaches. If you've got unlimited access to wealth, power, like really, I'm not talking about money.
Starting point is 00:14:01 I'm talking about power, like unlimited raw power, where a phone call, the phone book, is far more powerful than the bank account because it's who you know can open doors, to power anywhere else in the entire world. And that's where everything was. So you can leave with nothing, but then you can go build. And if you need the phone book, there's a price to be paid. And the price to be paid is generally one of your children. This is like the reality accident. It seems bizarre to some. But a child is generally a chosen child out of the family is given over as an offering to the family. And they're the ones who's going to go through this left-hand path. They're going to experience the desecration of their soul, their identity. And they're going to become an agent for the family
Starting point is 00:14:38 that is owned completely. And there's like a legal. trustee that is given over to it. There's a board of directors that sits over it. These are real legal confines for how the wealth is distributed out there. And so in order to build your empire, you've got to be able to go prove yourself. And that's what he ended up doing out in the southwest. And he moved to Arizona in an area called Flagstaff, Arizona. And where I was born, that is a place that's a high place. Mount Humphreys, it's a volcanic peaks that sit there. And the top of it is where the Hopi Indian and a lot of people had gathered forever to commune commune with the fallen. They believed that the sons of the sky would come down every,
Starting point is 00:15:10 season at the winter solstice and they would abide from the winter solstice to the summer solstice there. And so this was a place where they would give their daughters over to them. This is Hopi mythology like 101, you know, and they would make these kachina dolls, which were an effigy of the, what I would say is a watcher angel that would come and the daughter would be given to them. And she would place that over her bed throughout her life, you know, and that was where that's her familiar spirit, right? that's where I was born into. And the people that still practice that old religion, that's the way I referred to it, they still do this.
Starting point is 00:15:42 And they still take their children up there to give them over to them on these high days. And so I was born into that. And I was born through that seed line and into that ritual magic world. And, but my mother's side are extreme Catholics and Jesuits through and through. And so her father ran a different operation in Southern California, which was much more based on the child exploitation side of the human. equation. And he operated out of Lake Havasu City, Arizona. Lake Havasu, for those who that are unfamiliar, sits in the absolute desert border of Arizona and California, and it
Starting point is 00:16:16 has the Colorado River that's been dammed up and they created an artificial lake there. And it was a secret military base back in World War II. That was called Site 6. And it was a stopover point crossing the desert for soldiers going there. And they would made it into a rest and recuperation area. And so it was a party city from its foundation and had a lot of underground structures that were built into it as a refueling point. And in the the 1960s, a guy named Robert P. McCollock bought it. And he bought it and he also purchased the London Bridge that crossed the River Thames. And he had it shipped over here stone by stone. And while they were doing that, they excavated 80 bodies that were entombed inside it and a practice that's called an earment where you would sacrifice a person and bury them alive in the walls of the foundation. And so there's all these chambers in this facility of the London Bridge where they would do torture and all kinds of ritual stuff. But this is why the Sing Song Nursery Rine The London Bridge is falling down, falling down. That's a nursery rhyme to talk about how you have to give your children over to the government so you can hold up the London Bridge and they would literally take their children.
Starting point is 00:17:18 This is in the history book of the museum at Lake Havasu City. You can see these bodies of these children that were sacrificed inside the walls of that space. So he bought that as a charged object. He bought that as a portal mechanism. And they built in Lake Havasu City with another designer from the Disneyland. They literally built a pleasure island. That's what it was facilitated for. And they designed it so that it would be a retirement community that would facilitate the exploitation of children.
Starting point is 00:17:44 And that's exclusively what that city was founded and built for. And so the original founders of that operated out of Knights of Columbus predominantly as a wing of the Jesuits. And that's the business down there. It's an industry to cover up child. You got a bunch of old men running around with little boys and everybody thinks they're grandchildren and grand, you know, nephews and nieces and all that rest. And so all along that area down there is where I would be taken. from my earliest days and shattered, abused, traumatized, systemically so. But it's for behavioral modification purposes.
Starting point is 00:18:15 That's the end goal of the abuse is to shatter your willingness to resist and to break your will. And once they own you and you have been woefully convinced you can never get out, you give in. And that's what happened. And I became the person who I was died, you know, and the person they wanted me to become was what was born out of that disgusting Phoenix ashes, you know. How long does that process take? I mean, was this like just just a few years of your childhood? Or was this like a constant thing throughout 13 years or what? I mean, every individual is different. How long does it take to break a dog? That was the approach they took with me. You know, you find out everybody has different talents and giftings. capabilities and capacities. And so in the beginning phase, a lot of it is you're just raising them up a little more normally.
Starting point is 00:19:07 There's a lot of early trauma stuff that's hard to articulate and can be messy with memory. But as I got older, like five and six years old, man, it became very apparent that I had a desire for justice. That was like the sole deepest desire that I had, you know, was I wanted to, I wanted people to know freedom because I had been so deprived of it from day one. And there was no, there's this practice of switching mothers. They have, you'll have a cult mother. And that. then they have your regular mom, and then they create this trauma bonding so that you'll bond with anybody that they want you to do. And this happens by taking you away from your mom and your dad constantly and giving you new mom and dad, new uncles, new aunts, right? And so you're living in this constant state of destabilization. And so it's as that destabilization happens and that patterning is built up, that's when a lot of the programming comes in to stabilize these new personalities and these new pursuits and endeavors. But I had this zealousness to see injustice stopped, and they prayed on that. And so they gave me opportunities to fight back against these perverts who were
Starting point is 00:20:05 abusing children and they would build up in me this rage, this need for vengeance. And then they would let me release that on somebody. And in the beginning, it was people I knew were bad guys, guys I'd seen abused children. And I would slice their throats up, man. I would tear them to freaking ribbons. And I loved it because I finally felt like I could stop something that way I knew was evil and I thought this was the way to stop all this monsters in the world. I just wanted to hunt monsters in the night. I just wanted to go down in the tunnels and hunt. And that's what they kind of created in me. This just freak of a need to hunt. And then they would bury that away and you go back to Christian school and you go back to the regular life and your parents act like it's
Starting point is 00:20:52 just normal, you know, but they're like, you got to have cover stories for why your child's all beat up and bruise and your spaces smashing. Like I've had multiple reconstructed plastic surgeries from fights, you know, like fighting for my stinking life, you got to have cover stories. We would move around constantly. My parents would move us around every, sometimes every six months or not, but once you have a friend or a teacher or somebody notices, starts asking questions or you start bonding with somebody that's outside the colt, they're not going to tolerate that. And so we would move all the time. And now my sister's on the other side, they weren't roped into this thing. I was in a male cult. This is the brotherhood of the snake down in the Kavisu, but this is, my sisters weren't
Starting point is 00:21:25 caught up in the same thing, but they were caught up by the family as a whole. And so, and so, So this carried on and we moved into this place called Sholo Pinedop Lakeside, Arizona. And this is where an area, they would move to these specific high places where the veil is really thin. There's a very famous story about a guy who had an alien encounter out there, Snowflake, Arizona. And this is an area where there's, I was right on the Apache Reservation. White Mountain Apache Reservation was 100 yards from my door. And they would go out into the Apache Reservation to these specific high places and do these rituals and this ritual magic. And a lot of that involved.
Starting point is 00:21:57 That was when it was the worst to me because I was old enough to understand. understand how vile what was happening, you know, in ritual magic. And at the same time, I was the most readily influenced by the family side of the equation. I thought the family and the military was the way out, but I hated this occult side of it because I saw, I mean, I saw men become monsters physically in front of my eyes. Other things come out of people's mouths. Other things come through their eyes. Like I witnessed enough transfiguration to know that this stuff is a hundred percent stalking in the darkness. And I don't want that to rule me forever, you know, but it was hard to not resist, you know, you're just, you're in it. Well, so, all right, seeing things like
Starting point is 00:22:43 that, like you say, all right, so you said you saw men become monsters. Is that metaphorically or literally? That's literally. I've seen men do nasty things. like an animal, but then I've seen men become not people. Like literally. Literally not people. Yeah. And there's there is like lycanthropy and there's these understandings of what the watchers are capable of doing that most people are just woefully ignorant of.
Starting point is 00:23:08 And that's why they're perishing is because they lack a basic understanding of history. And one of the predominant understandings of what a watcher specific class of celestial beings is capable of is augmenting itself. They can shape shift. That is by their nature. They're literally called metiskitsmanzatoi in the green. in the New Testament. And it's because he says it's Marvel not because Hasatan trans, you could say transforms himself. That's a good word for it. But he shifts himself into an angel of light. And his
Starting point is 00:23:36 messengers, his apostles, disciples, they do the same thing. And he's like, this is because they are capable of becoming anything they want to be in order to deceive on one side of the equation. And that's what they'll do. And so when people start engaging in these necromanic rituals and other stuff, and they start to seek the embodiment of these celestial ones. They can get these things on them and in them and they can't contain them. And some of these guys who are messing with this stuff who don't come from the bloodline are incapable of cohabitating like a parasite and they feed off of each other. And they can't handle it.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And so that's why families are recruited from these bloodlines and children are recruited out of even if they don't know anything about it. Like you said, the vast majority of people who come from these bloodlines, there's a lot of muddy in the waters. There's a lot of purity that's been changed. there's a lot of half breeds, and there's a lot of quarter breeds, right? There's a lot of people that don't know this stuff
Starting point is 00:24:26 and they start to get into lesser magic and all of a sudden, and it's like the doors of everybody open to them. But that's why. It's because they can host these things better. Whereas those that don't, they get taken over by this stuff and they can't change back.
Starting point is 00:24:38 They can't, they can't return in a sense. Like people become completely possessed and are incapable of expelling the darkness after that. And who do you turn to? You're like, you're going to go to the Catholic guy who's all into the same thing that you're into, you know? Like, most people don't understand what a real deliverance is required for somebody that has gone down this far bound where they are consuming people.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Like, that's a deep, devastating, psychological, spiritual, shock, physical, your liver. Like, the health, this is why I'm a huge into health, because I physically had to try to find ways to help people who have done all of these things. Like, the consumption of human blood does horrific things to the human body, you know? And this is a major practice within this. These families do drink blood. That's why we have these vampier class of people. It's not some kind of myth.
Starting point is 00:25:27 People consume blood in order to live, extend their life force. Like, this is a normal thing. You've got billionaires today who admit it on Joe Rogan podcast and other places where they're like, yeah, I use the blood of my son and all that. Like, you don't understand. This is a religion, you know, and this is a highly effective means of augmenting yourself. And so these watchers will give people this power. Their priest class will dispense that to people who want to go into, you know,
Starting point is 00:25:48 like what I come from down there in the Apache, reservation was the people that slip between realms and become animals, you know? And it's, it's, uh, you are hitting things that are confirming so many things that like I speak hypothetically about almost in the sense that like I believe, but I can't prove kind of thing. Um, but, uh, like for instance, uh, years ago I had a guy on the show and, um, he didn't say it on the show. So I, I, I usually don't say his name because people, some people know who on talking. talking about some people don't but because he didn't stay on the show I don't I don't know why I didn't stay on the show but he said that he was a former I guess I forget
Starting point is 00:26:31 like Satanist or whatever like he he he came from a deep line of this stuff and he said at one point he says at one point people have to make a decision whether they're going to go the vampire route or like the werewolf route and he said that he was told by somebody who went the werewolf route that he that he should you go vampire because doing werewolf is like the most painful thing you'll ever experience in your entire life. I don't know. I can't say factually how true that is or not, but you're saying a lot of similar things. And now you're saying that there's traversing realms involved with this. So are you, are you saying, are you saying that there are people who,
Starting point is 00:27:17 who are traversing realms because of their ability to change into these things or are those two separate categories? And sometimes the same. I would say it like this. The reason that these First Nation people have preserved these priest class, right? Just all across the world, this isn't just like localized to white European people. There are people here who practice this type of same old religion and they call them skinwalkers. That's a name for them. Right. But these these witches and warlocks that practice these things, you know, they go and rob graves and they take the infant's bones out and they grind them into powders, you know, and they use that as poisons. You know, like that. So the Jesuits was this like massive assassination team training group that was operating there that started training me. Well, then it was like you needed to learn this spiritual side of assassination and hunting and stalking. And that's where the skin walkers and the Navajo and the Danay are like way, they have a different priest class. that does that. And so that's what I got put out there for because they do stuff like slipping between realms. We call them shadow walkers in the industry. These are guys that have this means to go
Starting point is 00:28:26 between spaces. And so where you can't hear them, you can't see them, you can't detect them. They're not on thermal, but there's certain types of ways that you can detect them. So it's like, you have to get kind of raised up into these arts. And these are like, this is why we call it. Like, this is to me the realm of Azazel. I'm just convinced that this is all Azazel's kingdom in that on that side of it and people are just branching off of his tree of knowledge and good and evil side of it you know and he's the ultimately the one that was teaching men these ways of war in that sense of it but like just like what happened with nebuchadnezzar man they cursed him with lycanthropy daniel warns him hey don't go down that road he you got a dream from the most high don't do
Starting point is 00:29:06 it and he did it anyway he said the watchers are going to curse you that's literally what they did man they cursed him and made him a beast they took him down the lycanthropy road because that's what they do, man. His hair grew out, his nails grew out. He became a different thing that if you and I spotted it on camera, we would say it's a cryptid. We would call these things cryptids because we don't have a proper working knowledge of history and understanding why people call these things, these names. But the vampire side of the equation, it is. They tend to be much more human masquerading, whereas you get much more feral production when people start to take this other route of becoming a beast. That's kind of the options that they give people in that world. But I believe a lot of
Starting point is 00:29:45 of the guys that you see out there or who are experiencing these things, they're loose assets for families. Like, these are guard dogs on estates. Like, that's literally, there was a training program I had to go to when I was nine years old and we'd go up to this farm in Michigan that was in the family, my dad's cousin, and they train all of these police, military law enforcement and VIP protection dogs, you know, but then they have other cages that are man-sized cages for other stuff because that gets brought in by the families, you know, and it's like some of these are people that are just beasts, like physically people that are like not like the rest of us, strength-wise, speed-wise, power-wise, intelligence-wise.
Starting point is 00:30:20 And then others of them are just unrecognizable as anything related to man. And so... Is that their ability, the strength, intelligence, is that something that is brought on through ritual or is it brought on through like medical injections? You know, like I've heard stories of, you know, military injecting. you know, people with things and they've essentially become a super soldier. Is it that kind of stuff or combination or what? I think it's just both. It depends on who's got high tech and who's got the old tech.
Starting point is 00:30:53 You know, and the old tech is generally superior. The new tech has side effects. You know, when people are getting injections and are using, you know, recombot DNA to start augmenting stuff. There's other variables that are unpredictable, you know, whereas if you just use a different spirit, you can predict what it's going to be. You know, that's like when a skin marker kills, that's what you have to go through, man. I'm nine years old and I have to stink and kill somebody. with my hands, a friend, a person that I loved because my family was not somebody I loved. And so part of the, in order to be inhabited by these spirits that will shape shift you and allow you to become a different creature, you're going to kill somebody that you love. And you can kill them
Starting point is 00:31:25 with your bare hands. You're going to breathe in their life as they die. And it's, it's when you do that, that this, this stuff comes on you. And it's, that's what, that's the stuff that makes you convinced you can never be redeemed. I believe it. I believe it. So if you, all right, There's so much to unpack. I'm trying to collect my thoughts. Let's just go with the assassin route. You were a kid being trained to do that. When you were doing it, did you have to transform?
Starting point is 00:31:59 Is that part of the process for you? Or did you ever have to never go down that route? I wasn't like, I didn't go that route. My route was being able to get by anything. like you got to be able to invade anything and be able to familiarize yourself and be understanding of how to navigate and get past people's weaknesses or things weaknesses. Like you want to train how to do infiltration and exfiltration with targets, hardened targets. You're going to have to learn how to get by guard dogs, physical guard dogs, wolf,
Starting point is 00:32:30 wolf kind, you know, and then you're going to have to learn how to get by stuff that's like, they have a warlock that sits in this estate and they do ritual magic to do all these spells and incantations. You need to know how to get through that. So there's like you get training by getting exposed to all these different variables so that you can be able to pierce through no matter what it is and eliminate somebody or plant something. It wasn't always just like assassination. That was an aspect of it. But a lot of it is counter espionage and espionage. You're setting people up, right? Or you're trying to extract something. Like there's this project. We'll have to get into more. It's called the Jason Project, which is a secret scientific military group that's now more publicly known. It's a consulting group for the smartest people in the entire world. But they had children. And so they started this. junior Jason program where they're like, yeah, we should all breed together, you know, and have these really super high intelligent children. Well, then they could be great spies. And so that's where you get into espionage as a major tacit of this. That is, they get interlocked so heavily. And you start to figure out that the vast majority of the people behind the scenes are not just connected to these
Starting point is 00:33:30 religious orders. They're connected to the government. And these are a lot of them are state department employees. And this is how the United States military and government regulates and controls assets out of containment. People that are not doing what they're supposed to, that have information they shouldn't have and they need to be eliminated or you need to extract a piece of information from them. And so that's what really launched me into that realm was right then in those mountains of the White Mountains is what they're called. But that was when I chose more of, I don't want anything. I want to not be in this cult side. It's not like that was respected, but it was acknowledged. And I got opportunities to do the side of it that I thought was
Starting point is 00:34:06 high speed and low drag and looked way more freeing, which was the modern American soldier. I wanted that route. I wanted that route. But you're designed to basically always be a spy and that you're going to feed back the family what you want. And if you're going to be put in a position, we'll open the doors for you. And that's where all of that really was birthed out of, was there in the White Mountains. And then once that decision was made, my great grandfather was brought back to our house in Colorado. He was located there. And my father signed me over to him. He got parental rights. He got bedtime rights with me at night for a few years until he was too sick to do anything about it. And my dad got access to the trust fund. And that was when everything went from like surface level poor middle class American to like planes, new cars, plane new car houses, bed and breakfast. My family became wealthy. And I got thrown from freak show level werewolf psychoville. down in Arizona into the big city of Colorado Springs, which was military gods. You know,
Starting point is 00:35:09 like military, it is the capital of the New World Order. Denver, the front range of Colorado is 100% the place where the capital has been built and the infrastructure was laid. And so I got put into the military side of the projects there when I was a young teen. And that's where NORAD space command and all this underground facility from the United States Air Force Academy. And that's where I went into the military side of the equation. And that's where I stayed for quite a few years. That's wild. I had a guy on the show a while ago. I don't want to rehash his story. I don't even remember what episode was called or what I called it.
Starting point is 00:35:40 I think it was a member show, but he was messing with something in his apartment. And somebody called in terroristic threats on him. And he had all this like powder and stuff. He wasn't making bomb. I don't think he was making bombs. But like anyways, he, the SWAT team came and. raided his home or his apartment. And his brother called me, he's like, dude, why is the swap team at your apartment right now?
Starting point is 00:36:12 And he's at work. And so he panicked and he fled. Oh, gosh. And he, this is in Colorado. He fled into the woods. And this is where the story for the Michelle came up because he's out in the woods and all of a sudden he's being hunted by translucent people shooting at him. And he said, this thing, this lasted the entire.
Starting point is 00:36:36 night until he wound up getting to like a safe zone where it just kind of stopped. And he wound up turning himself in and cleared his name and everything. And I don't know, like he didn't spend, I don't think he spent any time in jail because he wasn't building bombs, but he panicked. Like he's, he's the kind of guy. Like, he's, he's the kind of guy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And so it's happening. It's going down. It's going down. We're heading to the hills. We out, you know. I'm a training for this, you know. He's heading to the tunnel. Exactly. And so, but that he said that was, uh, if not on the NORAD property, it was right near it.
Starting point is 00:37:10 A shine mountain. Yeah. And so we theorized that he might have even just stumbled into a training exercise. That's what you could call it. Yeah. It's a fun word. So in other words, it was training, you know, like, oh, here's an easy target. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:28 But so with what you're saying is it's almost like you're confirming that there is a lot of high level stuff happening there. that would be almost sci-fi to ordinary people. That's where Nicola Tessa set up his entire laboratory system. Is that right? Oh, yeah. Wow. This is a high place. So, like, you got to understand there's cardinal points across the earth, and you are well-weathers,
Starting point is 00:37:49 but there's cardinal points where the veil is thin. It's like a real thing. It's not like some kind of, woo-hoo-like, it's a reality. It's like a physical, scientifically documentable event that takes place in some of these places, and that's why he chose that spot. That's why people, if you start to go to this place called Garden of the Gods, this gigantic sandstone feature that just sticks up at the base of 14,110 foot, Pikes Peak, this massive mountain. That's where Colorado Springs sits. And then it's a confluence
Starting point is 00:38:13 of all these springs, these incredible hot, well, mostly cool water, but mineral-rich springs called Manitou Springs. That's where I end up going high school. It's the highest concentrations of witches in the United States per capita occupy that area because it's a gigantic tunnel system that has been there from before the days of old, always been there. People have been there, and they've been doing these kinds of participatory acts. Well, the United States military moved into there on a huge degree in the 1940s and began to build Cold War. During the Cold War, they began to build a lot of tunnel systems.
Starting point is 00:38:43 And this is where the continuity of government operations headquarters was going to be when it came to the central part of the United States. And so that Denver is ideally situated because you have the great plains to the east, and you have these gigantic cascades of mountains, the Rocky Mountains as a shield behind you. And so that's why the continuity of government, if it ever relocates from the East Coast, it will go there. And that's where the base of major military operations has embedded itself. And so when somebody stumbles on to something that might be a training, like you call it, like these are just basic kit that a lot of our soldiers have that's just not on the TV yet, you know, where soldiers are needing to be
Starting point is 00:39:14 stealth technology, you know, or they're rubbing thermal creams on themselves to hide from any, any type of thermal imaging software. This is like low end of the tech side of the equation. But Fort Carson, which is where I was stationed, that is a massive military base. And that's where, but abreast to that. There's six military bases surrounding Colorado Springs. So it is a gigantic ring of this, including deep underground military bases and stuff that goes up to Denver and that's interlocked all the way up to Wyoming where all the communications cables are for the entire country meet. So it's a really big area for all of that. And then you have all of the spiritual side of stuff that starts in the mountains in particular in the front range and Rampart Range Road.
Starting point is 00:39:51 So like my family ended up moving into this little town just outside of Colorado Springs and like giant five pointed star, cardinal point where everyone gathers on the high days, all the, the witch crap, right? All that stuff goes on in there, and that's embraced out there culturally. It's like the norm. And it's like normal that your children are part of this stuff. And so it's good to raise children in sick families in that environment. So that's what that hub caters to. Whereas Colorado Springs on the other side is focus on the family and it's like die hard Christian side, you know, and it's like, yeah, but all the creepy occultist people are on that side in Manatee Springs. You know, we keep them over there where they have their coffin races and all the rest of it,
Starting point is 00:40:24 you know. Wow. So I'm going to, we're going to do an overtime with you. We're going to focus heavy on the military experience, but I'm assuming the answer, and it's just yes or no, you don't need good detail. Have you ribboned in an underground, deep underground base? Yes. Of course. Of course you have. I figured you have. And it's probably not once. I definitely want to get into that for the overtime for sure. I want to kind of backtrack a bit to a couple things. One, you mentioned about people transforming their bodies and that Lichen is definitely that route. We've had people on the show, lots of people who have encountered these dog man type creatures.
Starting point is 00:41:06 The one that comes to mind is episode 335. Kyle was the groundbreaking episode for me going into the dogman topic. I've had it before, but this was just like, whoa. Long story short, he's 15 years old, hunting with his grandfather in Kentucky, Daniel Boone National Forest. the upper side of it. And it's middle of the night. His grandfather's in the truck because he was older,
Starting point is 00:41:32 so they had radios. The dogs get on his scent. You hear him howling. He comes up on the scene and he can hear his dogs fighting with coyotes. The coyotes go off. He only had two dogs out there. And in that fight, he heard his younger dog run off as well.
Starting point is 00:41:46 So now the older dog, who's a really good hunter, really strong dog is by himself, fights off these coyotes. They come back in. And it sounds like they came back in in a pack almost and started wopened up on his his hound dog i think it's a hound dog don't hold me to that but hunting dog um and then he he hears his other dog come back in and when
Starting point is 00:42:08 his other dog came back in the fight changes coyotes are gone he comes onto the scene his dog goes back to his older dog goes back to tree the raccoon in the tree he comes over pats him on the head and hears his younger dog behind the tree chowin chowin down on a coyote he goes around the tree and it's not at the dog. The younger dog never came back. This was a very large dog on all four. He said it was so big that it was holding a coyote by the rib cage in its mouth. And he said that when he came up on it, it looked at him and it stood up on his hind legs, took chase. That unfolds a whole scene where basically his hunting dog saved his life. His hunting dog did survive, but barely. He thought his dog had died at some point, that story that he shared on the show, is there any way outside of what you shared
Starting point is 00:42:58 that it could be something else other than somebody that transformed from human to upright walking dog that maybe was one of those people who weren't able to handle that and could never change back? Is that in your mind what that would be? Or do you think that there are actual creatures out there that maybe come from other realms or maybe just like some people, I don't personally subscribe to the idea that Bigfoot's just. this hairy primate that we can't catch. I think there's more woo-woo stuff to it. Do you think it's along those lines?
Starting point is 00:43:27 What are your thoughts on that side of stuff? That's a great question. Man, that's brutal. Because I think on one side of it, I think we really do have an entire subspecies of creatures that do exist mostly inside the earth. And they are not readily surface dwelling anymore. And I do believe, like, in Lake Hessexie.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Havasu City, Arizona, man. Inside the London Bridge is a massive room, like a throne room, where they engage in this magic. But these Brotherhood of the serpent, they call upon Mahash, the dragon. Would that be in normal terms, Satan? Yeah, most people know him as Satan, right? Yeah. But, like, there is a great red dragon.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Like, it's a physical, that's what he looks like in reality. He was cursed, and, man, he made him a monster. Yahoo made him a monster. And they would commune with these things. There's 13 grandfathers, there's 13 grandfathers take 13 of their grandsons and they bring them into these rooms and do these things on these specific times and rituals for all kinds of stuff. But the dragons tell them the future. This is like always what they've been able to do is like Satan leads Yeshua up onto a great high place and says, I shows them all the nations of the earth and all their kingdoms and the rains in a moment of time. He shows them the future.
Starting point is 00:44:44 That's like, that's what they do. They can show you what's to come. This is why we get hunted by them. He knows if we're going to be part of his adversaries. He knows if we're going to be on his enemy list. And that's why he targets us at our youth. That's what so happened. So many people, they're like, why has my life been a nightmare from the beginning?
Starting point is 00:45:01 It's because you have a purpose and a destiny that that adversary absolutely categorically does not want to come to pass. It's a real life terminator scenario. And so he sends his assets in to destroy people, to ruin their life. And those meeting places happen when they sit down in these rooms and they try to call up these creatures. It's from inside the earth. It wasn't like ethereal mist. They were physical things that would come out of these tunnels and they would come into the room and they would consume the offerings that were given there. And then the words of the Nakhash would come forth and they would prophesy to these guys. Like they would prophesy out of the mouth of the serpent what each one
Starting point is 00:45:41 of their life callings. They're shots. He's the shot caller, man. It's like a pimp from prison. He's calling the shots and you had a bunch of fallen watchers that were in prison in Tartarus for a reason. Yeah, but they got ways of getting messages out just like the cronies in jail today. And that's what a lot of people are dealing with. They think they're dealing with the top dog and they're like, I'm finally into the big game. And it's like you're dealing with, you know, a private in the hierarchy. But he can masquerade like a general. And so some people are really dealing with death himself.
Starting point is 00:46:09 And some of them are dealing with one of his princes. And this is what my family's covenant was with was with the dragon. They didn't mess around, man. They went all the way to the chain of command. They uncovered a bunch of my great-grandfather's grandfather, who was an archaeologist who dug into the Indian mounds out in the Ohio River Valley. And they started finding a priest class that was these serpent worshippers. And that's what they started calling upon.
Starting point is 00:46:28 And they started trying to wake up and arise up, whatchiblos, which is these deities, these dragon-fire deities that demand. This is in Ohio? Where these mounds were found, the Ohio River Valley. Yeah. Are we talking about the serpent mounds? Yeah. Well, this wasn't specifically, not that I'm aware of that it was specifically a serpent mound,
Starting point is 00:46:44 It was a mound that was in an area that was now being farmed. Okay. And so whether or not it was specifically a Surban Mount was not identified as that, but they ended up finding a lot of these ancient tombs. They found the writings of this priest class, and they started using their magic to call back up these fallen ones. And they were, the part of the trade is the priest class has all this secret knowledge that they then used to rule the kings with. And that's what they wanted. So that's how the Reynolds family, this is also documented in a book called the Gilded Lies. by Patrick Reynolds, who was a bloodline descendant specifically and in the actual inheritance of the Winston cigarette company, you know, the tobacco empire that ended up buying Nabisco foods that ended up running the world. What relation is it to you? Like an uncle? I'm not, I don't know that I am a bloodline relative of that guy. Patrick Reynolds specifically. My Reynolds family is the one that does the black gold stuff, all the secret, disgusting, dirty money. They're the white launders of the money, right? But you've got to have your seedy corrupt group. And that's what my family did. They did all the dirty stuff.
Starting point is 00:47:44 And so that they, but in his book, in his first-hand account, they talk about the Joshua coin and them using a coin that was from Judas that he betrayed Yeshua with. And the 30 pieces of silver that that was the blood guilt money. They would touch that silver coin to anything they wanted and it would grow an empire. The cost was always a massive bloodshed and a massive demand of life. And that's always what the serpent required. He wanted life. And so like on one side of the equation, that's what they used to build the Reynolds Empire. That's what they used to go down Alcoa and all the aluminum industry and all of the stuff they spray on us and the stuff they poison us with and inject us with and all the variables of complexities of targeting that they've done against us, that all comes from that covenant that those two brothers sat down did and all and entered into a blood covenant with the dragon man. And this is what the fruit of it was. Well, my family entered into that on a different route through this priest class thing. And that's what they would practice down there. And that's the same same old religion that people have been using a long time. So on one side of it, I've seen physical beings that are definitely not like our animals up here.
Starting point is 00:48:44 here come out of these spaces from inside the earth. I've seen in deep underground military bases dogmen like you would kind of describe them, some more humanized. And I think a lot of those were experimentation and genetic splicing. I think a lot of that was gene editing stuff that I've seen. But I do believe that some of these things are holdovers from the old days. They're the last of their kinds and they've been breeding them. Right. And I believe that that's the stuff that's prophesied that's going to come back out and cause the hearts of men to stop for fear of looking after these that are coming up on the earth. You know, that's why everywhere I went throughout my youth, I could go to these tunnels
Starting point is 00:49:19 in these caves and call out and I could hear them and they would call back, you know, and it's like it's a seductive power that draws you back into it. You could call out to them, like, was it like a language or a sound or what? Oh, yeah, man, you can learn to call to them. You can go out here in these hills out here and do it. You can still do it tonight on these full moons and stuff. You can start calling out and you'll think you'll hear coyotes at first, and then all of a sudden it's a totally different, you know, it's a different sound that starts to resonate.
Starting point is 00:49:42 And then it's a different one that calls off from over here, right? you got to understand some of these guys that you think are just neighbors and stuff or just people. Like, this is what they keep in their barn, you know? Are they killed? Can you kill them? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I go out hunting for these things. I understand. I understand, man. That being said, I got hooked back into it with Timothy Albarino and Steve Quillan, a lot of these guys when I was like, I was married and my wife didn't know of who I was and everything else.
Starting point is 00:50:13 How'd you meet your wife if she didn't know who were? You suckered her. You suck at her. That's a way to put it, man. She's still with you, so she loves you. Bro, she's all in, man. She's amazing. She is my shield bearer, man.
Starting point is 00:50:27 She's amazing. She has fought. We have waged a war together beyond your wildest imagination. She has seen the full force of the occult come after us and people slaughtering sacrifices to try to desecrate us and people try to hunt us and murder us in front of her face, man. She's seen it in front of my children's face, man. They've sent special kill teams after us in front of my children's face, man. And I have seen the living power, man. recent.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Really? Yeah. Wow. That being said, man, I do believe that there is a hierarchy and you can call upon the most high man and he has delivered us and I've never had to fire a shot at any of these guys. I haven't had to take out their drones. I have seen supernatural to intervention.
Starting point is 00:51:03 I've seen their weapons jam in front of my face like chapter in the book called murder on their minds where I talk all about it, man. I've seen him provide supernatural miracles because you've got to understand we're dealing with the fallen. We are not dealing with the most high. And he owns a much more powerful arsenal. And let me tell you at his word, all these nations, kingdoms, and thrones will bow. And it's an absolute reality.
Starting point is 00:51:22 It's an inevitability. And so that's why I serve him, man, because I've seen what the power of covenant is. And I had a covenant with the law of sin and death before in my life, but now I have a covenant with most. I have peace and life. And he's given me a new purpose. He's giving me a family. He's giving me a mission. He's given me the opportunity to do the things I dreamed of when I was that little.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Man, I used to run away in the night in Arizona, man. And I would run into the base of that mountain, man. There's these caves that are there that I just love. caves. To me, it's safety in that. People call it hunting and all this. I'm like, dude, these people, these to me were people. I'm more like a beast, man. I was ripping people's throats out with my teeth when I was a child to survive a fight. Like that does something to you when you try to see other children playing with a batwing toy or whatever. And you're like, you're, you're puking blood in the toilet. Yeah. Because of all the crap you just went through
Starting point is 00:52:08 the night before, you know, and like, you are unrelatable to men anymore. You can't comprehend the things that are in your mind when you have been defiled so systemically for so long. And so I just lived with dogs. I literally would flee into the yards with people and I would crawl into the dog loose and just survive the night. But then that wasn't enough, man, because these were city dogs. Then I started looking for the feral ones, man. I started looking for the coyotes.
Starting point is 00:52:31 You know, and then I started looking for the wolves and crawling into their dens because I can imitate any of them, man. I can crawl around like a dog and be like a dog. Are you serious? You bet, man. You can get them to take you in if you know their language, if you know their gestures. You can learn all of this stuff, man. And like when you're little, when you're like a child, they'll treat you different, you know?
Starting point is 00:52:50 And they like, man, I literally ended up living with these things. And they're like, I have this love for wolves because of that. Because I've understood what a companion can be when you're desperate and distraught. And like these were my best friends. And that sounds so weird to people. But like when I was a child, I bonded with the animals. I wanted to murder all the people because people were monsters. I couldn't imagine a world of the living.
Starting point is 00:53:21 I got so lost in the world of the dead. And I just wanted to find some semblance of innocence and purity. And I could not find it in people because everybody was manipulating me. I was nothing but an asset to them. And I didn't know which end of me they wanted. Do they want my skills? Do they want my, what do they want from me? And so it perverted my understanding of people.
Starting point is 00:53:43 And so I just fled to animals. And that's where I talked to these creatures and live with them. Well, then you start encountering these other ones. You know, and you start to befriend them. And it just becomes like a pack. Well, then my family would rip me away from that and move and I would have to try to find a new one. And there was just constant destabilization. And so there's a lot of people that get caught in that world, man.
Starting point is 00:54:01 And people brand them as feral children like you might want to call it or whatever you want to call it, man. But they're survivors. That's what they are, man. They're overcomers. They're the remnant. they're the leftovers of nightmares. And you know what? They're some of the most incredible people or things that have ever been.
Starting point is 00:54:15 And that's why I'm here to preach the gospel to every creature. That's what it says. My commission from my king who gave me my marching orders is to preach the gospel to every creature. That's what I'll do, man. I'll do it in the tunnels. I'll do it everywhere from the tops of the roofs to the bottom of the earth. But I am much more familiar and comfortable down there than I am out here. This is the world of oddities where people think this stuff is like legend and myth and
Starting point is 00:54:34 strangeness. And it's like, you go into these families. They broker deals with this stuff. They get down with these things. and they generationally raise their children to have that seed line in them. So it's a different world than what most people are used to. But I tell you what these animals are, they carry a history of what this land used to look like and what these people used to be. And it wasn't that long ago.
Starting point is 00:54:52 This is a short history when you think it lasts 150 years in the United States. That's not long ago. It was a wilderness. And there used to be 150 million people who lived here who raised animals and livestock and farmed and cultivated landscapes and brilliant, massive, beautiful cities. And yet they interacted with giants and these creatures that were audited. for time and antiquity. You're talking about unwritten history.
Starting point is 00:55:12 Absolutely. Absolutely. Wow. You keep throwing everything out here. I haven't got to how you met your wife. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:19 We got there. So are you talking along the lines of like people talking about Tartaria today and like how they basically built over entire civilizations and some of these structures
Starting point is 00:55:33 that we have in these big cities like, for instance, I've heard this and I've heard both sides of it. So in Philadelphia, they say that City Hall is actually remnants of an old civilization. We didn't actually build it.
Starting point is 00:55:47 It has been here. Maybe we built on top it or something like that. But when I, coming from that area, I used to run Center City, especially as like a rookie driver. They send everybody down in Center City. And so you're pedaling freight down in Center City with a freaking truck. And I can't describe to people how massive City Hall is. in Philly. It is one of the most beautiful buildings I've ever seen my life. And it's, I've been in it. It is absolutely massive. You will get lost if you don't know where you're going.
Starting point is 00:56:20 And they, I forget how long, but the idea of decades sticks out in my head. Like, I was told that it took an extremely long time to build that building. And that always sat weird to me. I was like, how does it take that long to build a building? Like, you know, I mean, this isn't like something that was built, say, thousands of years ago where they were, you know, making the brick by brick, make the brick, then put the brick there kind of thing or whatever, you know? And so I go off on that spiel because that's something that always sticks out in my head when I talk about Tartaria and things like that. But is that kind of like the angle that you're talking about? Like this idea that there was, you said, 150,000 or a million people that lived here and they traded with giants and the cities and
Starting point is 00:57:06 civilizations, what happened to those things? Well, I wasn't really hitting on the Tartaria and the architecture side of it. And there's other examples like the city hall in Iowa and other places. I traveled like I told you before, four and a half years in an RV. And at the time, mud flood and Tartaria was in. And I was like, what? I'm going to go look. So I just started traveling around to these places specifically to try to find and identify
Starting point is 00:57:28 and document evidence of this catastrophic event or like are these recovered cities as opposed to the idea that we, you know, all bet these with horticum buggy and all the rest of it. You know, like, I wanted to know for myself, but that, that isn't specifically the history line that I was talking about. I'm talking about before that. The side of it that is definitely more like, when you go in like one of the best books, for those of you that are book guys, the discovery and conquest of Mexico or Honan del Castillo is the firsthand account of the conquistadors coming into the Americas. And there are strategies and tactics for infiltrating and enthroning a new deity known as Miriam, Mary, right, the Queen of Heaven, they wanted to invoke her over this territory.
Starting point is 00:58:07 And there was a massive battle between the priest class during that time. And you get to see these hierarchy of these ones that were worshipping in Mexico City predominantly that was running a massive human trafficking campaign on all the sacrifices and slaughters that are happening for that. I mean, it's nationwide at that point. And we're talking millions of people that are being fed, physically fed through butcheries to the priests. Like that's the, that's the way they did it. And that, that priest class fled north into the Americas when they got persecuted. And they came into the Americas, the Northern America, and they brought a lot of that ideology with them. And they began to use that, weaponize that power and start to take over the people that
Starting point is 00:58:48 were up here. And they began to eradicate them and butcher them and force them into compliance with this. And then the land responded with this desecration and all these invaders began to come in. But this is stuff that they had prophesied was going to happen. And so a lot of them, they literally did not fight. They literally had prophecies that there was going to come bearded men with shiny metal helmets and they're going to come and you're supposed to bow down and yield to them. And so that's what they did. That's why you had a few hundred guys with a few horses and dogs, unbelievable hunting dogs, crazy stories in their full armor, killing squads of people, these dogs single-handedly. From Europe? Yeah, bro. You want to talk about what dogs can do. We have no idea what dogs do. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:29 DeSoto and what he brought with his dogs. and the America's most terrifying things that the natives had ever encountered was the dogs because they would kill hundreds of people, like just jump from one to the next, ripping throats out. These are all documented things. So I'd love that side of the history of understanding where did this all come in here
Starting point is 00:59:45 and why was there the expunging of the record of anybody who had a culture or a written language. Well, that's because we wanted to support this ideology of manifest destiny for this invasion force that was coming from Europe was that it is our right to rule over these savages and to begin to take their territory. But ahead of that was the surveyors. And then ahead and following them was this military expedition across the west, which was to the Army Corps of Civil Engineering, eradicate the history of the people
Starting point is 01:00:16 out there. And that's what they did. That's why they built dams and rivers and lakes and specific places and change geography. They're sponging any evidence that this is a advanced civilization. But we have firsthand accounts of people that said, we've been in the biggest city. of Europe. And over here, they're better and more beautiful and more grand and well designed than anything we've ever encountered. This is not just one. Many, many, many, many people that came over here in the beginning could not understand the capacity of the people that were here. This is the origin place of the earth in so much, many more ways than what people think of as Africa. This place is where the first documented evidence of a horse, of a camel, of all of these languages,
Starting point is 01:00:52 mummies, the oldest mummies in the world. All this stuff is here. It's just not public. Wow. It's publicly accessible. It's just not. popular. You know, what's interesting is that you say that and fast forward a few hundred years, here we are. And now we look at European cities. And we're like, man, they're so beautifully built. Look how clean they are. Because our cities suck. Like, everything's falling apart. Nothing's built to last more than 50 years. Like, it's just, you know, it's kind of totally flip-flopped. That's wild. So, all right, I'm going to go back again. And I do want to hit on the story of how, your relationship with your wife evolved and stuff because
Starting point is 01:01:32 you know and and we will hit everybody listening right now first of all we will ask the question of where are your parents today how do you get what's the story there because that that's I even told you that's the question I was going to ask you at some point but I'm looking at my oh I also before while I'm talking here before we go any further I didn't say it in the beginning I will put it in the link in the description you do have a book you did mention it and I was like dang it I didn't mention in the beginning but it's called
Starting point is 01:01:59 snatch from the flames, one man's journey to uncover the family secrets buried in his blood-stained past. And that is available on Amazon. And I will put the link in the description of this episode. But let's talk about family. Let's start with the family that you love now. How did you meet your wife? How did that whole thing evolve? Did you ever think that you'd have to tell her this stuff?
Starting point is 01:02:23 Did you have plans? If not, what spawned you telling her? How did she take it? All that. Like, I'm very interesting on the social side of this. Like she, when I got out of the military, I, I ended up studying psychology at the University of Colorado at Boulder. You know, I want to put people back together. I was tired of taking them apart. And I wanted to understand what the heck was going on in my mind because I lost, when the military washed me out, man, they scrub my memory.
Starting point is 01:02:50 They did multiple traumatic brain injuries and all kinds of specific things to try to expunge what had happened there. They don't want you telling your secrets. Anyways, I was a dribbling mess. I literally couldn't remember how to walk right, eat right. I had posted notes on my wall to tell me to shower and put on clothes and names. It was, I went from savant level IQ kind of stuff to like impossibly debilitated. And it was excruciating on me. And so I just went on this path of trying to just restore my mind and get my mind to function again.
Starting point is 01:03:19 And it was in the course of that that I ended up going to this church out in Colorado, which is called Flatirons Community Church. And they had this college ministry at the time and a recovery ministry. And that's really, man, where my heart planted was in this celebrate recovery. They called it shift. And there was just messy people, bro, that love the Lord and they loved him so much. And they were passionate about helping the wounded. And I was walking wounded, man. I was a heart halter monitor on at the time, man.
Starting point is 01:03:44 I was like, I didn't like my whole life. I'm like the last man standing for some stupid reason that I couldn't understand when I was young. It's just I just wanted to die. I just wanted to die so bad, man. my life. I just wanted to die and I never could die. No matter what anybody ever tried always, I lived, you know, and it just, I was so tired of it. And I ended up going to this church and these people, like, loved on me, not the way like Christians had in the past in the same way. Like, my family was Christians. I went to all kinds of different denominations throughout all of this
Starting point is 01:04:14 experience. But meanwhile, my family would peddle me back, out the back door, you know? And so my, my version of what a biblical minister was capable of was so jacked up. I thought they were weak, cowards. That's what I knew Christians as. Like, I knew that pastors are easy to manipulate if you give them the right tithe check, you know, like I'd seen what a bribe did to justice. But then I finally start going to this place where it's just authentic people that just were real. And it just gave me such a joy and a hope, man. And I'm a passionate person about whatever I pursue man. And I pursued that with everything in me. And I'm a natural, like, evangelist. I'm going to make stuff famous. And I love it. And so anyways, this college ministry exploded out there. And I was the connections
Starting point is 01:04:52 lead and I ended up meeting my wife at this college group that we would have. We'd serve pasta and talk about the scriptures and get to know people outside of Boulder. And she ended up walking down the stairs one day. I write it all very romantic in the beginning of my book, bro. I was like chasing her, you know, and she was not about it, dude. I was like, I was couch dude at the time. I was like living on a couch because I wanted to have this harlequin great day and great hunting dog. They're a castle dog. That's what you use to guard your castle. When the master's in the house, they're wonderful. When the master's away, they'll rip your throat out. They're amazing. Anyways, I was raising this dog, So I had to live on a friend's couch so I could have this dog of my dreams.
Starting point is 01:05:23 And I met her. And she was just way out of my league immediately. And I just was like, I not happen. It's not going to happen. She was like way older than me. It's highly successful. And I was like eating out of trash dance, you know. And so she, but she liked me, man.
Starting point is 01:05:37 It was great. It was beautiful, man. I don't know how, but it worked out pretty well. Man, I romanced her like crazy. I called him adventures. We didn't call it dating. I just took her on adventures way late at night because she used to work nightchips. So we hang out of three in the morning.
Starting point is 01:05:48 Dating requires putting up money. Oh, yeah. Dating Replyers is putting on a title that other people were not about, you know, like, oh, her sister did not want me to be with her at all. She, like, sat me down and tried to scare me off. Yeah, because I was like young. I was like 19 and I was like, bro, I was all over the place, you know, compared to what she was used to. And she's like, my sister's just, she deserves this. You know, and I'm like, not that. But anyways, man, we, we ended, I ended up going to Afghanistan. And I was on that trip to Afghanistan, that was like, I got to be with this woman. I came back and was like, I want to be with you. And she was like, I'll think about it. And I was like, no. It's cool. rush, but she ended up, she ended up doing it, man. We ended up, like, being together, and we ended up getting married a couple of years later. And, dude, I didn't tell her any of this. She knew I was a mess. Let me be clear. She was a mess at the time when I met her, too. She was a wreck from all the things I was talking about earlier at the hospital that they were forcing her to do, and we were just killing her health horribly. And she was sick. She was sick. And so we got married sick together. It was great. We were a total hot mess. Our first year was a nightmare because I was a screaming nightmare at night. How do you tell that to somebody before? we weren't sleeping together before we got married. She didn't know that. She didn't know that I would have these terrors of the night, you know. She didn't know that I was a different person at night.
Starting point is 01:07:01 And then all of a sudden into our marriage, my dad comes back in because he wants to control again. He wants to make the money. And I'm a highly monopolized individual to these families. And they wanted that again. And they wanted to turn on the old other side, which is this Nathan and Jason side. and they wanted to make money with that because their business was failing. They're in the bed and breakfast industry. Now, that's the good cover for
Starting point is 01:07:25 all kinds of filthy stuff to happen at a hotel. And they film it and document it and keep it in private drives and create a blacklist on people. So that's like, that's the family business. You're talking about like Epstein type stuff? Oh, yeah. So I know this, but just for the audience, you're saying Epstein isn't the only Epstein.
Starting point is 01:07:42 That's like late in the game guy. Yeah. You know? And I know most people think that's super high level. that's still mid-level in the world of families. He's not the family man in the same way, right? You can run into a different synagogue of Satan everywhere you turn, right? You can run into the great horror Babylon that sits in Rome and Vatican City all over the place. But then there's these old bloodlines too that are completely different thing. And they have different ways of controlling people. And information and secrets is what my family trafficked in predominantly. And so my parents on one side, they had a great Christian front and everything they did. But inside, that's where business happened, you know. And it's it's because they're split personality people. One side is wholly given over to this and the other side is wholly given over to something else, you know? And so that's what I was raised in. And it was as normal as breathing, you know.
Starting point is 01:08:30 But my wife didn't know any of this stuff. And she was not from a family like this. She grew up in like a normal middle class American Christian home, you know? And that did go to focus on the family kind of stuff, you know. Poor girl. Oh, it was on. So what the trigger event, the trigger event that changed the whole story was my dad moved back in with us for a few weeks. How'd you let that happen? You don't exactly have free will.
Starting point is 01:08:54 It's like a real important thing to understand when you're a yes man still. You know, I didn't have anything to really fight for besides my wife at the time. I didn't have children. And like, they castrated me when I was young. They make you a eunuch so that you can go into the Kings. Really? So even having kids is a miraculous thing that. That's what started at all, dude.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Wow. So what happened though, my dad changed me around and he brought out the other side of me. And so you wake up in a middle of a marriage, and I don't know who my wife is. And I go for me in this happy, fun, loving Nate, wild guy that's shirtless all the time playing and diving into stuff to this guy that's phoophobic, terrified of water, and is wearing body armor and carrying secret concealed blades and making poisons at night. And she's like, what? It goes by a different name, disowned all my friends, burned my phones. You know, went full protocol, like sterile protocol. She has no idea what any of this stuff is. She's like, I don't know what tradecraft you're talking about. And she's like, what is happening. right now. And I changed clothes, wardrobes, everything. I started getting into this underground world. Timeout, time out, time out. I just got to, before I forget this, you might say yay or nay on this,
Starting point is 01:09:57 but what you're describing almost sounds like a Jason Bourne type thing. And they named him Jason in the movie. Does that have anything to do with the Jason program? Do you think? Absolutely. Okay. And the Jason program is for that. Gotcha. To activate those guys. We will get into that. But continue your story.
Starting point is 01:10:15 I just, before I connect, before the dots, come and go very fast for me. I understand. You got a lot of dots in there, bro. They connect. I'm just like, what are going on here? But so I burned everything in my previous life. But at the same time, let me tell you the saving little like, what happened though? They meddled. That was a bad idea. Because you suddenly give a guy who has been used to being in his teens the last time you had freedom of body. And you suddenly give a guy who's in his 20s, who's got a car and who has no
Starting point is 01:10:43 handler on site. You know, and this thing called the internet at his finger. And now you can do, you can look up anything. And this is what happens. Like between 11 and 3 in the morning, I'm going to start learning. And I just start diving into all the stuff. And you can start asking questions and get into forums and blogs and backdoor access to all kinds of stuff. And I started connecting dots on who was who. Because what they wanted me to do was go after a kill list for them. But I don't want to, I'm not interested in that. I've got a very, very long old kill list from a lot of other stuff they don't know about and other people don't know about. That's what I was thinking about. You know, I'm like, I'm going to just burn this entire house down. I'm running operations on it on a
Starting point is 01:11:16 covenant, a cult that was operating out of Boulder, Colorado. I just started investigating people again, like I do. And I started going out at night, streetwalk and street preaching on one side of it. But on the other side, I was doing surveillance and counter surveillance on these guys that were running children out of Boulder streets and starting to build dossiers and everything, you know, because it's like what I do. I'd rather live in a cave and come out and do that kind of stuff and then disappear. But I've got this wife who to me was like a lead weight. It was like a giant point of vulnerability. I live in a house. What the heck? You know, I was like ticked. I was pissed all the time.
Starting point is 01:11:47 I basically hated her. And she felt that. Okay. She felt that. You know what a wife will feel? Well, your ambivalence towards her. More than anything you ever do to your wife, she'll feel ambivalence the most because it's the opposite of love.
Starting point is 01:12:01 It's not hate. It's ambivalence. And that's what I gave her. And I started wearing knives strapped on my chest and razor blades in my shoes. And she's going to start picking up on stuff. Like, why are you always wearing guns? Like always. Like, always.
Starting point is 01:12:12 You know? And I'm like, you know why? And she's like, what's that voice? Do I want to know? Yeah. But at the same time, but at the same time, this health crisis happened where she got poisoned and it almost killed her from the hospital procedures that they required. And that was it.
Starting point is 01:12:29 She started doing the research. And I was like, if she's going to look into this stuff, I could talk to her about what we're going through a little. Because up into that point, dude, couldn't hold her hat with a conspiracy very much. You know what I'm saying? Like, you test everybody out your entire life. When you're born into this stuff, all you ever do is test everybody to figure. out whether or not they can handle anything related to who you are.
Starting point is 01:12:48 And she was building, she was growing up, she was getting stronger. But then she got pregnant. And this was the, I ended up having a surgery. Let me go back a step. I ended up having a surgery because I had horrific constant testicular pain. I had a lot of kidney pains, kidney stones, pee in blood all the time. Like, my body's been through hell, you know, and I have catastrophic shutdowns of my organs regularly at the time.
Starting point is 01:13:07 And I ended up getting a surgery to try to help alleviate that. Well, about a year after that, we ended up getting pregnant, which was to me a miracle that I knew the father wanted me to actually have children, which meant I had to choose. This was the whole story of whether or not I give my daughter over to the family to have access to the trust fund. Which your dad was there for, essentially. He was there previously for a few weeks. He would come in and stay intermittently when he wanted to do workup stuff. But then he moved back down there. He's a critical employee of massive infrastructure in the state of Colorado, like sits inside a bunker and controls all kinds of stuff.
Starting point is 01:13:45 Very successful in that realm kind of person. But a well-placed asset, if you want to destroy the entire country's continuity of their grid. He's part of the power control system of the natural gas system, so he can shut down all the power plants. Well-placed acid if you want to burn the world down. Anyways, my wife got pregnant,
Starting point is 01:14:01 and it was my moment of choosing whether or not we do this. And I was like, at the same time, I was starting to listen to all of these, like, serious truth or podcasts out there by like the hours and hours, whether it was, I don't know, it was like,
Starting point is 01:14:12 I think the Hagman and Hagman important was the first one I heard Steve Quayle and then I heard Russ Dizzdar on there. And then I heard Dr. Michael Lake. If you never heard those names, man, check it out. You could go on for a long time on there. But that was like, that launched me into this whole realm of seeing bold men, men be warriors for the kingdom. And I was like, finally, somebody with some kutzpah, like in the kingdom representing how to deal with this stuff. Because up until then, I had a track record of psychopaths winning every time, right?
Starting point is 01:14:42 I always saw the bad guys win. And that does something to you psychologically. It's a confirmation bias. And then we suddenly see a guy like Russ Dizzdar who was preaching to people like me who are coming out of occult bloodlines who were deep into this ritualistic abuse and dealing with deliverance.
Starting point is 01:14:59 And that's when it was on, man. And I was like, my wife was pregnant. She doesn't know any of this about me. But my family's going to want to take that baby out of her womb when she gives birth to it and imprint upon it. Like, it's disgusting what happens right away at the birth.
Starting point is 01:15:11 And I was like, she's, they're going to drug her and they're going to take her child. You know, she's not going to have any clue of how they do this. I was like, we got to fight. We got to resist. I'm going to go all in for the kingdom of righteousness. And I'm going to absolutely do everything I can to sever ties with my family. And so I went to this conference called Hear the Watchman Conference down in Dallas, Texas. What year?
Starting point is 01:15:29 2014, I believe. Wow. And that's where chapter five is called deliverance in Dallas. And that's where I heard Russ Disar speak. It wasn't the first time I'd heard him speak. It was the first time I'd heard him speak was at a conference where he was talking about runners, guys like me, blade people and all this other stuff. And my wife looked over at me as he was describing me. And she kept looking at me like, this kind of like sounds like you. Honey.
Starting point is 01:15:48 This kind of sounds like you like more and more and more. She's like touching all. She's like, how many knives can I touch? She's like, yeah. Oh, dude. That was nothing. Those are the ones to just can. Yeah. It was crazy. So now we're down at this conference in Texas and she, she still doesn't know anything. She's six months pregnant. Like game is coming on time, right? Like we got to figure this thing out and I fall on my face at the end of his preaching. He calls like people if they want prayer or come to the front man. I run up there and I follow on my face. And I fall on my face and I weep like I've never wept in my life. Just desperate for that evil, like that, that latent seed out. I want it out so bad. I want it out so bad. I want to be a man
Starting point is 01:16:26 of free will. I want to know what what others took for granted from their youth, which is to make a decision without somebody else's manipulations in your life. Like I just wanted freedom. And I wanted my child to never have to know the world that I was born into. I wanted her, I wanted her so badly to get to choose for herself what her future would become. And I was so inadequately equipped to do that for her. I had nothing. But I had a willingness to fall on my face and cry out to the one who had everything. And I believed on him and I called on him and just was wrenching my heart out on that floor, man. And this guy, Tom Dunn, he laid down on the floor next to me, man, and was just like, what's going on? You know, you're clearly upset, dude. You know, like, I'm just sobbing hysterically
Starting point is 01:17:13 and asking for deliverance from addictions and sexual addictions and drug addictions, you know, substance abuse issues and stuff. I've coped with that my whole life, you know, I was so perverted. I didn't understand normalacy with any of these things. And he just prayed for me. It wasn't like some wow thing. But he just prayed for me, honestly and sincerely. And asked to you, Jesus to heal me, man, and deliver me. And when he did that, man, it was like this giant black tree just got ripped out of my brain. That's the cover of my book, man, was like the father, he took this hand, and he took that pierced hand, and he gave me a transplant, you know, he took me out of that family of death, and he gave me a branch of life to live again with, you know, and that's where it started.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Somebody else at the same conference, random person walked up to me, handed me this folder and disappeared, like straight up disappeared in a line I was in. I was like, what? She's like, you need to read this. And it was all these prayers for breaking the curses from generational sins of Freemasonry. And I was like, what? And I'm like, what is this? It was Isaiah 54 ministries. It's on my website, but they burned that website to the ground after I put my book out.
Starting point is 01:18:14 But I've got it archived and stuff if people want to still see that. But I went through back in Colorado and I prayed those prayers, man. And I did all this renunciation for all of these oaths that my family had taken and that things that I had been a witness of. And that's when it was on. That's when the war kicked off, man. was because then all of the memories, everything was there at the forefront. And that's when they knew I was not going to be a part of it. That's when I went direct back to them and was basically like, listen, I forgive you guys
Starting point is 01:18:41 personally for the wrongs and the evil that you have done to me. But you need to understand, grandpa still is a pervert. And you're still taking your grandchildren to him. And that better stinking stop. You know, like it was like a showdown. Initially, my dad's like, I'm sorry. I know this stuff happened to you. I'm really sorry that it happened to you.
Starting point is 01:18:59 like I'm the dad'll fix it. And then at the same time, he was like, don't tell your sisters. Don't you dare tell your sisters. You can tell anybody you want. I don't care. Just don't tell your sisters. So that's immediately what I did. Right.
Starting point is 01:19:07 I'm like, game on son. You want to fight that way. So I went and told my sisters. And then it was just this she crawling up in a fetal position and reverting back to this infancy thing and just like, I don't remember. I don't remember.
Starting point is 01:19:16 And then they bring in somebody else to live with her like a handler to scrub her and control her because they have big families still that are still in. You know, and that's a big business. Oh, yeah. So when you talk to your sisters, I have not talking to them since. Okay.
Starting point is 01:19:33 It was the last time I talked to them. They didn't remember at first and you were triggering memories. Is that what was going? Yes and no. My oldest sister, I don't name any of my sisters because there's a lot of innocent still at play. I'll name all kinds of people, just not them. But my oldest sister, like, when I started talking about it,
Starting point is 01:19:55 reverted back to the stuff and was like, I know. need help. I need counseling. I need deliverance. I need, like, please help me with all this stuff, right? And she wanted help and wanted to get out. And the next day when I went back to talk to her, she was gone. That version of my sister was gone. And they had this young guy that had moved into the house overnight. And she literally couldn't tell me anything about anything I said. She didn't remember anything that had happened. She didn't remember, like, me coming there to the house the previous day to talk to me about any of this stuff. She was just completely aloof, right? And that was my last interaction with her. And my dad freaked out when heard that I told her all this stuff. And then I went to talk to my other sister who was closer
Starting point is 01:20:32 and age to me at a splash pad. I talk about this stuff in my book. We taught, had this, her and I are visiting at the splash pad. I brought my wife, Chelsea with me as a kind of corroboration to all this stuff. And she was really responsive in a good way. But then right in the middle of it, my dad showed up at the park. And I mean, he slammed into the parking lot and came barreling over and had this screaming showdown with me in the park, calling. on crazy and powers and stuff. Like the guy went from his Christian self to this whole other thing in front of my wife's face for the first time. My dad was the most, he would have never seen a lick of scary ever until that moment.
Starting point is 01:21:11 And then this other thing came out of my dad, the principality of the Reynolds family that he is in covenant with. And that came roaring out and cursed my marriage, cursed me with insanity. Cursed my wife. You're going to be naked. All these horrible things. He's screaming and cussing at the top of his lungs at a splash pad. This is like a real splash pad. little children like,
Starting point is 01:21:27 there's this like demonic massive battle going on over in the corner. And I was rebuking him and calling, like it was like the sword that was in my mouth was far greater than his because I had the power of the authority of the Holy Spirit like I'd never had in my life. And I couldn't even hardly articulate the power that was on me. But he physically got up and ran away from me, screaming over his shoulder, ran as fast as he could,
Starting point is 01:21:49 and drove away, terrified of me. And that was literally, that was the last time I ever saw my father was that moment. That was the last time I ever saw my sister. You know, they, they, and I've not spoken with any of them since, you know, because at the end of the day, they still wanted, they still sent my grandfather there to receive my daughter when she was born. He still flew up to the state to try to get access. I had a sting at one-man army standing in the birth center, you know, ready to run and gun with that guy if he showed up.
Starting point is 01:22:16 But my family has never had access to my children since then. And now we have more children. Now I have four children. And that was the start of so much of that journey, though, was we're going to do whatever we can to get away. from this. But at the same time, they sent a lot of stuff after us when we were still at that property and in that house. And there was a massive long story there. That's what the chronicles our journey out of that until we eventually wrote the book. I started speaking out on shows. And I was like, if I'm going to come out, I'm going to come out with everything all right now.
Starting point is 01:22:43 I'm not going to be like, I got some secret documents, you guys. You don't want to know about. You know, it's like, no, no, you just burn it. You burn the whole house down. You know, that's the best way to do it. I've been told that if you have sensitive stuff, you don't just piece it out. You drop it like a nuke. That's right. It's all at one time. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:59 And that's good that you did that. There's still a lot of dead man switches out there. You know what I'm saying? This is still, there's a lot of contingencies that are available. She did ever go real bad. But she loved me, man. That woman loved on me like nobody else has ever loved in me. Her name means Safe Harbor.
Starting point is 01:23:14 Really? That's exactly what she was to me. Wow. Because I had to tell her all this stuff, man. And I came on glued on her. I mean, I became everything I'd, worst version of me had ever been. And she loved on me. And she was so mad.
Starting point is 01:23:26 She was just enraged at the evil of what this family was. She was enraged. And then you start collecting evidence. She started going on to their Facebooks and started gathering evidence and seeing all this perverse stuff. You know, they line their, they line their babies boys up naked and take pictures of them and put them on their mantles. Like you come pick which one you want. Like this is a real family business. You can walk into their house and they'd have like framed pictures.
Starting point is 01:23:49 Framed pictures of kid children, little boys stacked up in the entryway when you walk into their house. So you could pick which client you want it. You know? And she was finding that on Facebook? Bro, you'd, yeah, you'd find this on, they think it's cute. It's like, oh, they're like, oh, it's just cute little babies and boys and stuff. And I'm like, no, dude, my family had a photo album that they would hand a customer and they could pick what version of me they wanted. Like, this is like a menu that they offered to clients. It's a real, this is really how, like, the business works. It's like, this is still a reality. So, all right, version of you. So it's like, they pick a version and then they got what, pushed the certain buttons to get that. version of you to manifest? Yeah, then they get a, then they get a codebook that goes with it, and that brings that personality out. Really? Because if you want a cross-dressing girl, this is how you get that. Wow. And that's what that whole personality is shaped to be with, or if you want somebody that's into different things, they have this. And so that's a code book. You know, that's like the little red book that controls somebody is a real thing. Well, sometimes you give
Starting point is 01:24:49 people a page from it, and they pay for that page for a certain amount of time. That's what they get. But others, they're going to get a page from Jason. You know, that's what the military bought from my family was my black book so that they could have an asset as their own. And then they're going to rewrite the program and then make it just theirs. That's what my dad didn't want anymore. He wanted back that chain and command. He wanted full control and sovereignty over me that the military took away from him. He wanted that back.
Starting point is 01:25:15 That's why he went back, tried to meddle. The problem is he woke up the wrong guy. You know, a very dangerous person to wake up who knows how to burn houses. Yeah. I'm glad we're friends. I hope we're friends. You bet you. I mean, just mentioned, but I like you.
Starting point is 01:25:30 I like you. So hopefully you like me. Man, I love my job. I mean, such interesting people. So, you know, when I was driving tractor trailer, I would listen to a lot of podcasts. And that was in the wild wild, the days of the wild west of YouTube
Starting point is 01:25:47 where they didn't just take everything down. You know, this is like pre-Jones take down of 2017. That was the marker. of everything. And I would hear, you know, people talk about people like you, Dizdar. And he's past, right? Yeah, man, they killed him and Rob Skieb in the same week. We'll get into that in the overtime. This is, wow. No, but I just, so I'm hearing these stories and stuff, and I'm like, really, is that really possible? And here I am years later. And,
Starting point is 01:26:25 And I have all these these years of experience under my belt that brought me to a point where I'm just like, coming into today, I'm like, oh, yeah, I know that stuff's possible. But I really, like, I've never sat down across the table from somebody who has been in such positions as yourself. And it's just, I'm just taken back by so much in a good way. That's just like, whoa, you know. you mentioned something several times on this recording that I would I need to bring up. How do you, I don't know if get around is the right word, but how do you feel what's going on when it comes to you openly publicly acknowledging the fact that you've killed people? like is that something that you're concerned about i mean as far as like repercussions from whether like you know law enforcement to you know these shadow organizations coming forward like oh like
Starting point is 01:27:30 i mean you mentioned about how there's been recent attempts on your life um what about the legal side what if like a police guard a car comes driving up to your your home right after this episode airs like i'd feel completely guilty about that. I feel so horrible, man. I feel different. Why do you say that on my show? I feel different if it was a little bird, helicopter. Okay. It's a different.
Starting point is 01:27:54 It's a police car. Just smile. You know, it's like, I think people have this idea of what law enforcement is in our country. And it's a very good masquerade for what law enforcement is in this country. There's laws that apply to people. And then there's laws that apply to others. and then there's a whole group of people that no law applies to them.
Starting point is 01:28:19 And I was so familiar with that experience, like, you want to kill somebody and you're in the family, right? You mark the tart, you mark them. You know, you might cut their ring finger off and put it in their mouth and shove a dagger through it and leave it in their jaw, okay? And you'll leave that at the scene. That is what's called a message to the masses, that this hit has been authorized by somebody far above your pay grade
Starting point is 01:28:44 and you leave it the heck alone. It happens all the time. There's a lot of murders that happen in this country all over the world that will never be on the news. Families. Like, I'm talking to a guy
Starting point is 01:28:57 who's a migrant worker and his family is in a cartel and is a Sicario. If you don't know, a Sicario is it's an assassin. Hashachin, it's where these words come from. And he goes in,
Starting point is 01:29:11 he's living in a normal town here in the Appalachians and his next door neighbor, all of them are murdered. All of them. Father, wife, children, everyone butchered on the table in pieces. That's a message to the masses. That's not on the news.
Starting point is 01:29:31 I looked it up. It's not on the news. It's there if you dig. But that's a huge massive could be the most unbelievable news story for a lot of these news junkies. It's never going to be there because it's a cartel hit. You've got to understand who these cartels are. their families, different families, and they are fighting a war, a quiet war. And this is why you have gray men that are out there to do their dirty business, great women too. But this is, there's stuff
Starting point is 01:29:57 that's non-prosecutable in the United States. And a lot of it happens if you have diplomatic community. And that's what a lot of these people operate under the same guidelines of that. I don't have that. I don't have any of those protective measures in place whatsoever. But I became, it was as familiar as breathing to me to go through that world. And that that was normal, that murders happen all the time and nobody ever cared. Nobody ever cared, right? But also the vast majority of what you do and you're trained in is to kill people covertly, which means you make it look like something other than an incidental death or an accidental death as opposed to a, oh, no, that's a homicidal death. So a lot of it is learning how to put things in people's body that cause them to
Starting point is 01:30:36 die, maybe not right away, maybe later. And so this is the arts of poisons. And that's why people will turn to the Jesuits to learn that tradecraft, because they're some of the best. at it, right? That's what so much of it is learning how to destroy people's vehicles so they don't work properly or they suddenly just gas on the way all the way. There's lots of it involves throwing people off of cliffs and buildings and stuff like that so that it's a, you know, oh, the banker's suicide, whatever it may be. That's why the vast majority of this stuff is non-prosecutable because all of it, if you look into it or if they start finding where these bodies are, they're going to look like accidental deaths. That's what the vast majority of this. But at the end of
Starting point is 01:31:09 the day, like, I believe that the truth is what will set me free. Like I know his word and I believe his word and I know that it is what sets me free. And at the end of the day, my physical body on this earth is irrelevant towards the kingdom that is coming. Like, I have a duty to continue to advance the kingdom of righteousness no matter what. And I have a duty to speak the truth because he says in here very clearly that anything that I did in secret is going to be brought up to the light. Everything they've done in secret is coming to the light. And I'd rather be the one to bring it to the light than the guy who's my enemy to do it when I don't want it to happen. So I knew sooner or later, if I'm still going to live and have a family, I better tell people my worst things right now, as opposed to it coming to
Starting point is 01:31:44 light later on when I've been trying to do ministry and trying to raise a family and just be a righteous man and trying to no longer be the gray man, you know, and that's a war that still happens internally on a regular basis because I still, I find cults everywhere. I find child abusers everywhere. And it's hard to turn off old, well-seasoned strong muscles to just turn their world inside out. But you realize that there's a way that you have to do this. And anybody that's out there on the front line that's spoken about these things. You potentially do suffer the consequences of it. But you know what? At the end of the day, I'm going to advance the kingdom no matter what it costs is. I've had police surround my vehicle before. I've had experiences like that. Not for me,
Starting point is 01:32:25 miraculously, but for somebody else. And every time I'm kind of waiting for that shoe to drop, I felt that kind of anticipation that it could happen. It could. And that's part of it. But if that starts, it's going to unsip a whole lot on the things that's called discovery in a lawsuit. That shouldn't be discovered. Dang right. That's why these things get dismissed because of reasons of national security and nobody's going to have a freaking idea of what happened in there. And that's what I experienced plenty of times. I've seen it never come to court because that guy, like, when I do blood tests, you know, like, that gets sealed. Like, if I tried to donate blood today, you would not believe what the heck happens to the poor guy that I hand that blood off to,
Starting point is 01:32:57 right? He's going to go through a freaking hell and they're going to recover that because it's classified technology of what's inside there. They're like, you're not allowed to have access to this stuff. You know, like, that's what a lot of these soldiers come out of these programs and they're like, you're not allowed to give blood ever. If you go to a hospital and you go to checkup, you better call us before you do. You know, and this is the stuff that ends up happening throughout the rest of your life that they don't tell you about when you're like, yeah, I'm around all these guys and want to be stronger.
Starting point is 01:33:17 Y'all want to be stronger. I want to be able to carry all kinds of stuff. And they're like, here, you just come line up and take another shot in your arm. You're like, yeah, I feel great. I feel like you're dying for a while. And then all of a sudden you're like, I am carrying 260 pounds. Caring. I'm a little dude.
Starting point is 01:33:30 I was like, this is great. Give me more. Right? And now is like, I could go off all day on that. But what they don't tell you is the side effects. and you're like, yeah, you're probably going to only have a kidney for about another year. And that's what happens.
Starting point is 01:33:42 You're like, why are all my teammates dying? Why are all of them dying? All of them. Why are all of them dead? Their purpose was served? Yeah. Wow. There's a duration on those things built in.
Starting point is 01:33:52 Wow. I had a guy on the show not too long ago. I think I mentioned this to you earlier. But he basically he felt, he didn't want to say he was a super soldier. I called him a super soldier because he didn't need to brand it. Yeah. Like, I was like, dude, like, he's like, listen, I was in the military.
Starting point is 01:34:12 I was young and I received these shots. And when I received these shots, I was able to do things that I couldn't before. I think he could run the mile, like, incredibly fast. He could, his strength, but he said it wasn't, it wasn't ultimate strength. He said, I, there were other parts, there's parts of his body that just seemed normal strength. But then if he did a certain exercise, like, it would be like, whoa. couldn't do this before. He would max out
Starting point is 01:34:38 machines and stuff. And, you know, I have to run a show, so I called him a Super Soldier. You know, like, but I don't know
Starting point is 01:34:46 how I was to describe him, you know, but he seemed like he was very hesitant to really cross that line. Like, yep, that's what happened,
Starting point is 01:34:55 you know? Like, he's like, I don't know how to explain it. I'm like, I'll do it for you, you know? That's an Uber punch,
Starting point is 01:35:01 you know? What's that? That's the super soldiers from the areas. From Germany? Yeah. But that program their children. Don't forget about the breeding races. They bred hundreds of thousands of women with these super soldiers and all their children was the progeny of that. That's who we're talking about. All those people got jobs in certain places and began to have children of their own. These families have been doing genetic meddling for a long time. And other people just stumble into it. Like there's scientific community who stumbled into it a lot during World War II. But this is old religion stuff. This is what made the families rule people. Because like most of you guys can't stay awake for three days and be brilliant. The
Starting point is 01:35:37 entire time. Most people I've like had to learn this over life. I love how he said you guys. He's like he's like you just said at nine. You guys. Not me. You said earlier. It's like 9 p.m. and you're tired and they don't want to get something done. And I'm like, yeah, man. Like you've been awake three days. You know, like it's weird. I didn't know it wasn't normal until I sat down. My wife and I stopped watching the TV, man. And we started talking to each other face to face like this. And all of these stories began to come out about what her childhood was like. And I was like, what a Christmas like? I'm like, I realized I was raised in a cult. It just was so controlled that I didn't realize it was not normal to have grandpas doing that to their grandsons. Like, I genuinely didn't understand the level of insane life I had because I'd been around. I was only allowed access to other people that had that kind of stuff. So then if I talked about it, they're like, yeah, of course, that's what Uncle's do. It's just creepy weird stuff. But her and I are talking about this stuff and I'm starting to tell my stories to her and she is like sick. She's like, that's not okay.
Starting point is 01:36:37 Like, that should never happen. I'm like, I'm telling you about one day. I was like, what do you mean never happen? Like, happened for years. Like, what are you talking about? Like, I didn't have the paradigm of understanding what a normal person life was. Like, my parents, my mom, the women would stay awake when there was these family reunions because it was disgusting. And they didn't want their children getting.
Starting point is 01:37:01 And so they would stay awake for days. And I thought that was normal. they'd be awake watching everybody, like all the time, all the time for days. And they would be out of their mind by the end of it, right? They're like hallucinating and all the rest, but they just didn't want their children or grandchildren to go through what they knew their husband did, or they knew that his brothers did in the nights of Columbus. Like, they just wanted to try to protect him. But I thought it was normal that parents and moms would be awake for days on end and just suddenly pick up one day and we're going to travel 2,700 miles, you know? And like, that's normal. I thought
Starting point is 01:37:27 that's how people were. I didn't understand people needed like rest and recovery and all of this. I just, you could just switch personalities and keep going and backlogging it and use augmentation from whatever, drugs, people, anything you needed, you know, but like they extracted all kinds of stuff out of people and that was what they would run off of, you know, and it was their little serum, you know, that they would, their nectar of the gods that they would run off of, but it's just human hormone isotopes in a lot of ways, blood, blood plasmas and stuff like that that they would use, but this stuff would just jack them up and they just go for days, you know, and it's this new way of augmenting the brain that they utilize and other people think they're just buying little pills,
Starting point is 01:38:01 but that's what they're getting, you know, it's the byproduct of that, that industry. And so it took a long time for me to hear that. But when I hear people talk like normal about like energy levels and capacities and things, like it helps to humble me back to like experiences around of like, not everyone's lives are like this. Not everyone's so extreme in everything they do. There's people that live balanced lives and it's good. And I think that's what I was genuinely hungry for by the time I met my wife and by the time we started raising a family. It's like, I want to know what it's like to just raise a family because I realized I had no idea how to do it. So I started just moving with my RV into places where people were living in a way that I wanted to. I wanted to imitate
Starting point is 01:38:36 their lives. So I started living around families that were raising their children in a very peculiar way, raising their children up, raising them up at home on farms, on homesteads, on properties. Like, I'm just a sponge for learning and adapting what I've seen to be successful in imitating it. And I just wanted to be around authentic men, you know, so hungry for it because most of us are raised by idiots. Most of us are raised by women. And that's, that's on one side good. But if you don't have a righteous man, a zealous, passionate, untellate, like capable father, you're so broken. It sets you up for failure in a bad way, especially once you have children. And so much of my life now has been trying to build a new family, build a new legacy and understanding of like,
Starting point is 01:39:15 what can we build without the access to the empire? Because I don't want the blood money. Like, I want my children to know purity. I want them to understand what the gift is of creativity and curiosity and I want to cultivate for them a life of abundance and of passionate pursuits. That's what's led me into permaculture and into studying under all these regenerative farmers and into this just whole other industry that I have such a love and a passion for. You know, like I was cleaning out chicken pens and goose coops and rotating chactors and moving fencing. I was up to 1115 last night moving polynetting, you know, so that my geese have some more better grass to get onto. You know, like, and I love that, you know, I love that.
Starting point is 01:39:51 But at the end of the day, like there's another half of me, man, that just, I drove. through a tunnel on the way here and I could have cried. I felt like I was coming home. You know, like I miss the underground. I miss that world. I miss my brothers in arms, you know, like, there's a lot of them out there and a lot of them are dads now and they're just still sleeper cells. You know, they still don't have a clue on how to get out. They still have no idea how to stop the nightmares and how to stop the screaming rage fest and how to, like they're doing everything can to hold it together, man, and they're falling apart. And that's why I'm out here. So, so on that note, you, I'm assuming one of your motivations is to help them get out.
Starting point is 01:40:25 Yeah. Or stay in and get it done. Mm. Yeah. Do you want to go back in and get it done? Bro, every day of my life. But I made a different choice. I made a covenant with my wife. That's different. You know?
Starting point is 01:40:42 Yeah. My wants became subjected to another. And her needs supersede my wants every day of the week. And I got to lay down my life for her. That's the joy that I get to do. I get to sacrifice my dreams on the, the altar of marriage and it's a good thing because then I allow the father to build for me an inheritance that I didn't gain hastily.
Starting point is 01:41:03 Wow. That's deep stuff, man. That's deep stuff. I'm going to bring up one more topic before we transition into the military stuff heavy. And this kind of goes back to these creatures and such. You said about underground. Do you think that there's coming a time where they're going to be coming up in abundance and humanity is going to be faced with a very real reality,
Starting point is 01:41:46 not just dorks like me that have a podcast to talk about it, but these normal people who think I'm crazy, do you think they're going to be faced with the reality that these monsters do exist? And what do you think that would look like if it happened? I don't, I think the better question is what's been written first and foremost because I can have an opinion on an idea, but it's been prophesied that this is absolutely going to come to pass. And it says a third of like dominion is going to get given over to death. And this is why I say it's the underground for a reason. Like that's where they build their armies.
Starting point is 01:42:21 They build them inside the earth and they release them when they're ready. But it says that dominion is given to them to kill a quarter of the earth with a sword, with plague, with famine, and the beasts of the earth. That's not your little chihuahua. You know, this is this is the beasts of the earth. These are the real beasts. And these are the beasts that know their beasts. and they've embraced it.
Starting point is 01:42:41 And there's a lot of people that, I mean, man and beasts were created on the sixth day, both of them. There's a difference where image bears of our creator, the beast is not. But any man can become a beast if he wants to. And he's willing to do anything it takes in order to become that. There's a lot who have done that. And then there's a whole lot of them that have been bred and created and cultivated and chepered for this time because they're their soldiers, you know? Like the conquistadors, when they came here, man, they came with an armada. Okay?
Starting point is 01:43:05 They came ready to invade. And they brought beasts that these people had never seen. seen in their lives. You've got to understand what a horse did to these people. Because the horses had been here in the Americas long before the Spaniards got here. That's a lie that you all learned. They're like, yeah, the Spanish brought the horses? No, they just don't want to tell you that the horse has always been here. It's just that it wasn't all over here. And when those war horses showed up, right? These are animals that get drunk on blood. These are, these are animals that eat blood. These are dogs that are trained to eat blood. Elephants that are used in battle that are
Starting point is 01:43:34 train with mulberries to eat blood. Like, these are beasts and they are nothing but a beast. You don't put that beast out in the child's playground because it will kill every child in that place. Those are the beasts of the earth. And there's a lot of those kinds of beasts like you're talking about. People might throw in this cryptic category, whatever else. But no, these are just hunters and killers. And that's what they're effective at. And I believe a lot of them, though, still have the capacity of sentient thought and they're capable of having a redemptive plan of their life and a purpose and a trajectory. Just most people aren't ready to comprehend or contend with that. So that's why, like I'm out here trying to tell people about dragons.
Starting point is 01:44:06 I'm trying to explain to them the realities of what these serpents are and understand what this class of beings really are and their progeny are and that we are still have dominion and authority over them no matter what they are. But also with some of them, you better learn how to fight kinetically against creatures that are not on what you would consider as your top 10 big game animal hunting stuff. And that's what launched me into advanced weaponry and development with the military and stuff is because of need, I wanted to fight back against something that had scaled armor that was like Sapphire hard.
Starting point is 01:44:33 And I'm like, that's what we put on our battle tanks and our helicopters. Like, how the heck is this creature have a skin that produces a scale that is hard as a sapphire? Well, I better figure out what a better kinetic penetrator is to get through that. And so that's what launched me into this desire was to physically learn ways to fight these creatures. I had to find out how to do that. And now I think a lot of people are in this la la land, but they're being incrementally exposed to it through media and entertainment as a way to soft condition them with disclosure to be able to palitably accept these things. and that's been a conditioning of the masses through its own form of behavior modification
Starting point is 01:45:07 so that they will have a category in their head of what to do with that when it shows up on their door but the vast majority of them are going to be given over through terror. They're going to be terrified and they're going to freeze and that's all it takes, man. You give a predator a frozen target game on son. That's what happens. A lot of them will fall to that.
Starting point is 01:45:22 Wow. Wow. Well, we're just getting started and I want to talk to you more about a lot of this kind of stuff but before we end down this first segment, I want to bring back up the book. And like I said before, the link is in description. Snatch from the Flames, one man's journey to uncover the family secrets buried in his bloodstained past. Nathan Reynolds.
Starting point is 01:45:47 And I appreciate you being here, man. Is there anything else you want to promote other than your book? Yeah, man. They can go to snatch from the flames.com. That's a better place to they can go to find everything, all our media content, because we also have a YouTube channel at YouTube.com, backslag. Nathan Reynolds and the linen railroad. Rumble, same thing. Snatch from the flames is the Twitter handle as well.
Starting point is 01:46:07 Or sorry, TikTok, they can go there. But I have an audio version of the book as well, and you guys can download those there and name your own price. I also have an entire recording, the audio of the scriptures that I did, which to me is far more imperative as what's been written as opposed to what I've said. And so I just hope people would be able to find comfort in his word and find restoration of their identity and their calling
Starting point is 01:46:25 and that they would embrace the path of life, man, and flee the path of death. Well, if you didn't like this episode, I don't know what got you guys here because this was a heater. I appreciate everybody listening to the show. And if you're a member, just head on over to the membership section on the website or in the YouTube channel. And the overtime is available for you right now for everybody else. I love you. Thanks for being here.
Starting point is 01:46:51 Thanks for listening. Share the show far and wide. And until next week, stay safe, take care. And remember, the truth is such a free. But first, I'll piss you off. Bye. My whole life and childhood I was conditioned to be anonymous, to never stand out, to never be excellent, to never, never pop up on anybody's radar ever.
Starting point is 01:47:16 And that's why we lived, I didn't realize how much I'd been conditioned to that mentality. And the only time I was ever allowed a green light to come out of that was in this an exceptionalism mode when I was out hunting, when I was out seeking and searching for targets. That's when it was allowed to all come out. But otherwise, it's just compartmentalized in that other side of me. And what happened was I started getting introduced into the scientific community of parents. It wasn't like guys in suits and stuff like that. It was like dads at luncheons and barbecues and stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:47:46 You just start like meeting. And they are part of what's called the Jason projects. And the Jason program is a scientific committee that is a advisory group, basically. They're consultants. That's how they bridge themselves. There are some intellectuals, you would call them, or guys that come out of universities. And they were recruited in the 19, during the Cold War. And their goal was to deal with all these nuclear weapons secrets.
Starting point is 01:48:12 And what are we going to do with contending in the Cold War? And so they would come to them, the United States Navy, the Army, whoever, would come to them and ask them to fix a problem for them. And they would pool these mental resources together. And they would meet a few times a year and discuss all these issues, super top secret, right? Above top secret. Anyways, they started this program in Southern California. And this is where my family had all these connections through the child. organizations that were down there and they started getting connected to this scientific group.
Starting point is 01:48:38 Well, when you show a certain level of accolades when you do personality testings, they start really early on in these families. They start trying to figure out exactly what cranks your gears. When you start popping up on certain algorithms, they're going to start to push you into different fields. And so my family chose for me the field of military intelligence and military espionage, counter espionage.

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