The Confessionals - 69: Bigfoot In The Swamp

Episode Date: May 12, 2018

Haunted houses and bigfoot, does it get any better? Tonight, Missy comes forward to share her experiences living in a haunted house while she was in her twenties. After she shares those experiences she goes into detail of when she saw a bigfoot running through a swamp in Michigan! Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionals Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Show Intro FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2HxNcw3 Episode 69 Music Mix FREE DOWNLOAD: https://bit.ly/2jVr0kR  

Western bacon cheese burger cheese bacon, western bacon cheese, burger, I'm talking, Carl Jr. pick it up. Western bacon cheeseburger, Carl Jr., pick it up. He came over to me. Dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves.

He's got a spear. In one hand, they're running really fast. And Spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Pursons got closer, got spurson when he got about 15 yards away. Small, gray, and he's getting pulled off the fence. Jump underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear.

It's almost like they're unziffering our reality. They stick their heads through it. And they look around, and if it looks like the coast is clear, they step through the rest of the direction. If you pick the head, you get the whole package. If you don't take the head off, then what happens if they disappear? This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it.

Far side of the room, and there's Jack, and he's got blood on his face. He looks at me, and he just says one word. Oops. He's longer than most people have bruised. Through this bush, and I can. touch air, couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You are listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel.

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and Missy has had a lot of haunting experiences throughout our life, and then she dives into a big foot encounter that she had while she was driving her car. It's a very fascinating show, so go ahead and sit back, relax, and we're going to get into it right after this. We work hard at being healthier.

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It's a fun time anytime I get a chance to record. I'm glad that we're getting back at it. I know last week, we were supposed to record last week on Wednesday, and I had to cancel because we had this killer snowstorm in the northeast. And, you know, I was in my tractor trailer, and I got stuck like five times. And then when I decided to come back to the terminal, I was calling it quits. I almost jackknife going down the turnpike twice. And it was just a nightmare.

And so even if I did get home in time, I was so fried mentally, I was not going to be able to produce a podcast at all. I was just done. So I appreciate your grace with me and moving into this Thursday. I really appreciate that a lot. No problem. Tonight you want to share some different experiences that you've had during your life. I mean, you want to talk about a house that was haunted.

And also you want to talk about some Bigfoot experience that you had. So we're going to start with the haunted house first. So if you would, just I know you were in Michigan when this happened. So whose house was this? And what had happened? Okay. This was in Michigan. It was in a town called Rochester, Michigan, which is an old town.

And it was right in the downtown, quote, unquote, historic area of town. And I had moved out of my parents' house and moved in with my then-boyfriend, who ended up being my first husband. But so I moved in with him and his sister. And it's a home that his parents had purchased. just back in the probably 30s and had lived there. Both of his parents passed away. His mother passed away actually in the house.

His father didn't. But the house was, they bought it in the 30s. It was probably built in, I want to say the early 1900s, like maybe 190 something, 1910, 1908, something like that. And it was a really old house and it had, you know, the, the radiators with the steam that would go through it and make a bunch of noise and hiss and all that had those kind of radiators. And the basement had a big fuel tank that the truck would come and put the pipe through the basement window and fill up the fuel tank. And then the furnace was like one of those Freddie Kruger furnaces.

It was an old, old house. And his parents had lived in the house and he had been raised in the house and his brothers and sisters had all been raised in the house. Well, when I was about 18 or 19, I moved out and I moved into that house with him. He was like three or four years older than me. And then his sister's 10 years older than him. So she was close to 30. We were probably 19, 20 around there somewhere. And the house, I have to kind of give you a small layout of the house when I tell you things you'll understand.

So, like I said, had the old radiators and old furnace and all that. To go upstairs, there was actually a door, and you opened the door to the upstairs. And it was one of those upstairs that had the slanted feelings. So it wasn't an addict. It was actually an upstairs, but it had the slanted feelings and all that. And it was just a small bedroom and a bathroom up there. And then when you went through the kitchen, you would open a door, and you would go down about two steps

and to your left was a door that went out the back and to your right was the stairs that went down to the basement. So when you open, when you came in the back door, you opened the door straight ahead of you as the basement stairs and to your right is another door you'd go into the kitchen. So we were living in this house and like I said, his mom actually passed away in his house

and I believe that there was somebody who passed away in the garage at some point and there may have been one of the person that passed away in the house, but I'm not sure on that. But this house had always, no matter what you were doing, almost all the time, you felt like somebody's watching you. Like, you just get that feeling like somebody's watching you. And it was really unnerving a lot. And I used to get that all the time in that house. just get that creepy feeling like somebody is watching you.

Part of the time that we lived there, we lived in the back bedroom on the first floor where it was actually the bedroom that his mother passed away in. And then part of the time we lived there, we lived in that upstairs little bedroom with a slanted ceiling. So when I had first moved in there, there was, we were on the main floor in the back bedroom. And we were staying there and she had a, the bathroom was right next to that bedroom.

And the bathroom had the off foot tub and it had the toilet where you pull the chain. The tank was like up on the wall and you pull the chain to flush the toilet. So it was all like, you know, super old stuff. But we didn't, and there was no shower. So if you wanted to get clean, you had to get back. So I came home early from work one time. I was working at the time. I was working at a sheet metal factory, and we'd just get nasty at work.

So I came home, and I was taking a bath. And there was nobody home because his sister and him were both at work, and I'm home by myself in the afternoon, which is great. I was loving it. I'm like, I'm just going to relax. And I go, this was probably not very long after I moved in there. I go in, I fill in the tub, I'm sitting in the tub, and I'm just putting my head back on the tub, closing my eyes, just trying to relax.

And I hear what sounds like somebody's walking around. Now, this house had those hardwood, like, oak floors with the, what you call it slats or, you know, like pieces of oak, the hardwood flooring. And so when somebody walked in that house, you could hear it, not like it was super loud, but you hear creak and crack on the wood floor. So I'm in the tub, and I'm thinking, did somebody come home? because I didn't hear the front door open because all the windows were that single-plane glass, that single-paned glass that would rattle in the windows, and that glass is also in the front door.

So whenever somebody came in the front door, you would hear the glass in the door rattle. Again, not real loud, but you could definitely tell somebody came in because you'd hear even the windows in the front room by the porch would rattle a little bit. And I asked the, you know, I didn't hear anybody come in. I don't, this is really weird. I know nobody was here when I got home because nobody's car was here. And, you know, somebody would have heard me come in and said, hey, you know, what are you doing home? So I know nobody's home. So I'm going to tell you that I'm hearing these footsteps and they're coming closer and closer to the bathroom.

And I'm thinking, okay, maybe somebody broke in because at the time, at the risk of whatever. At the time, the person I was with, my boyfriend, he did sell some stuff. So there was quite a bit of money in the house sometimes. And I thought somebody knows what he's got or something and somebody's sneaking around trying to find money or whatever. So I tried to stay super quiet. And it was daytime. So I didn't have to worry about, you know, the light was on. You know, somebody could see that I was in the bathroom because the light coming from the door, anything like that. It was like three o'clock of the afternoon. So I'm sitting there in the tub, and I'm just trying to be quiet,

and I'm literally trying not even to breathe because I'm like, if I breathe, they're going to hear me because I'm scared that somebody's in the house. They've got a gun or a knife or whatever. And I'm sitting there, and it's quiet, and then I hear the footsteps, and they're getting closer and closer, and I swear to God, the doorknob started to turn. And I'm like, this is it. Somebody's going to find me. I had the door locked, but the doorknob started to turn.

And I'm in there just kind of like, like I said, literally, I'm not, I'm not going to breathe. I'm not going to do anything. I don't even want, I don't even, I can hear my heartbeat so loud that I'm afraid they're going to hear it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm sitting there and I'm watching and it turns a little bit and it turns a little bit. and then it stopped, kind of turned back the way, you know, back to normal. And then I heard the floor creaking and then I heard nothing.

So I waited for about, I don't know, 20 minutes, but it felt like 20 hours. And I'm still like holding my breath and I get as quietly as I can out of the tub without making a bunch of water noise, wrap a towel around me and I'm trying to walk quiet and I creak the floor and the doors and everything else and I peek out the bathroom door and I don't see anything and I start rolling around the house real quiet everything's locked up nobody's there and this is my first I've had only lived there about a month and I'm like what in the world is going on this is really weird I mean it freaked me out I ended up getting dressed. I left and I went to my mom's who lived about a half hour away at the time.

I'm like, you know what? I got to get out of here for a minute because that was just weird. Well, then, it wasn't too long after that. I was laying in bed and my, the guy I was with, my boyfriend and his sister had left to go do something. I'm not sure where they went, but I was home by myself. and I'm laying in a bed and I have the lights on because I'm kind of watching TV and I'm not really dozing off

but I'm tired and I'm laying there and we had by the, there was a window by the bed kind of like right by where I was laying and then the opposite side of the room there were two other windows that brought up, looked out over the driveway so I'm just kind of laying there, chilling and all of a sudden at the same time

all three windows at the same exact time. Bam, bam, bam. And like I said, they're the single pane glass windows. So it wasn't thump, thump, thump. It was like really loud, rattley, bang, bang, bang. It was three, bang, bang, bang. But all three windows at the same time. And I'm like, there's no way somebody could coordinate that, you know,

with three people. Because I jumped up and I ran to the window in the driveway, which was totally lit up by a street light. And I looked at the other window that was by my head in the backyard, nothing. And there's no way three people could have done that bang, bang, bang, and gotten out of range of the street light and me not see them running away. That really freaked me out. Well, I think it was about half hour later.

I was still freaked out and they came home. And I was like, I don't know what's going on. But all three windows went, and they were like, well, maybe it was this, maybe it was that. And I'm like, no, you guys don't understand what I'm trying to tell you. And it was just absolutely, it was horrible. And then I had, my mom had taken a trip to Texas and she had brought back myself with her sister. And her and her sister brought back myself and my cousin, Cockatiel. And at the time, that movie The Outsiders was like a big movie when we got them.

So, like, hers was soda pop and mine was pony boy or vice versa. And we had these birds. Well, when I moved into this house with them, I took the bird with me. And that bird was not very old because those birds could live for a long time. That was not very old. but I had it in the living room because our bedroom was kind of cold and they're like topical birds so you have to kind of keep them warm. So I had it not like right on the register or by the register, but in the same room with the register to try and keep it as warm as possible. And I woke up one day and it was just dead.

Like I didn't hear anything. There was no reason. It was never sick. It was never, it was just weird that it just happened to just almost like just dropped dead on me. And my cousin had the bird's sister. It was the same, you know, pretty much the same exact bird, same exact breeding and everything. And hers lived for like another out years. But as soon as I got to that house, I wasn't in that house very long.

And then I just found that bird was just dead. And it really upset me. and then oh my gosh so much stuff happened in this house so I'm in the back bedroom and we had property up north in northern Michigan

and like 40 acres and we had a cabin and his sister had a cabin across the street up here in northern Michigan so they were going to go up north for the weekend and they were going to work on the cabins

and I had just started this job this sheet metal working job. I hadn't been at it very long and I couldn't take the weekend off because we were on mandatory overtime and this and that. So I couldn't go. So they went up north. Well,

they were supposed to be home Sunday night. So Sunday night comes and I'm laying in the bed in the back bedroom and I'm laying in the bed and I hear I remember you go in the kitchen, you open the door immediately to your left is the back door, immediately to your right is the downstairs. And so you come in the back door.

straight ahead as the downstairs to you're right into the kitchen door. So I'm laying in bed and my bedroom, the wall of my bedroom backs up against the stairs that are going downstairs. They share a wall. So I'm laying in bed and I'm just kind of relaxing, looking at the clock, wondering when they're going to be home, feeling kind of creeped out like somebody's watching me like I always did. And I hear the back door open and coming in and box. and going downstairs and stuff moving around in the basement. And I'm like, oh, thank God, they're home. I'm so glad they're home.

I didn't hear any talking, just moving and stuff moving in the basement. I thought, well, they must have brought home stuff from the cabin. They're all those in the truck. They're putting it all in the basement. And this went on for a few minutes, and nobody came in the house. And I was like, well, I'll just go say hi and, you know, see what's up. And I come around the kitchen, and I go through the kitchen, open that door to the basement, silent and pitch black.

I about, I literally about wet myself. I just literally turned around and ran. I grabbed my keys in my pajamas, no shoes or anything. I grabbed my keys in my purse. I ran out the front door, got in my car, drove to my mom's, and stayed the night at my mom's. I'm like, there's no way I'm staying there by myself after. When I opened that door, I mean, you're fully expecting to see lights on, people move in, hey, what's up?

And you open it and it's pitch black hole to the downstairs. And there's nothing. I was like, no, I'm out. I'm done for now. I'm not, yeah, no. Well, we went, and I told you we had lived in that downstairs bedroom. And then eventually we moved to the upstairs. And again, you had to open a door.

You go up the stairs. And then you had to immediately hairpin turned back the other way to go in, the room. So I was downstairs. I went downstairs. We were in bed. It was late at night. And I wanted to drink of water or I don't remember what, for whatever reason I had to go

downstairs. And I went downstairs and did whatever I had to do. And I was coming back upstairs. And I opened the door. I start going up the stairs. I shut the door. I'm about halfway up the stairs. And I hear somebody coming up the stairs behind me.

And I just took off running as fast as I could up from stairs because I know there was nobody behind me. I shut the door and the house was pitch black and my sister-in-law was sleeping. So I know nobody was behind me. I just ran. And I ran so fast that I literally, I ran, I went to jump over my boyfriend. He thought I was going to jump on him or something and instinctively he kind of like put his leg in his arms up like, ah. And I hit him just right and I broke my, um, my, my, um, my, the bone in my hand when he did that because I was running so fast and I jumped so I was so scared

I broke the bone in my hand running from because there was somebody I heard somebody on the stairs behind me wow and yeah that house is just you know how you just it's just it's just not right I just don't know what it is I don't know if it's you know the people that died there or if it's just I mean, the house is really old, so I know there was people that lived there before them, but I don't, it was just really bad, not bad, I didn't feel quote-unquote evil or menacing. It was just things like that would happen, and it was just really, really scary. And I had put, one time I had put my son in a bouncy chair, he was. He's just like a month old.

It was my first child. He's almost point six now. He's got three kids at his own. But when he was just a teeny tiny little thing, and I had set him on the table in the dining room on his bouncy chair, not near the edge or anything, just, you know, on the, not in the middle, but on the table, nice and steady. And I was turned around, do something in the kitchen.

I don't know exactly what I was doing. I heard a thud, and he had a couple of the kids. And he had come off the table and flipped over. And when I turned around, the bouncy seat was upside down with just his feet sticking out. And he actually fractured his head. And I was just, I was, I have no idea how he came off. I mean, even if he had been bouncing, which he really wasn't old enough to know how to bounce that chair, you know, vigorously. But even if he had, there was no way that he could.

could have bounced that 12 inches to the edge of the table or 18 inches or whatever. It was quite a way. There's no way he could have done that, especially in that amount of time. And he just went flat right off the table. And that happened in that house too. And I didn't live there at the time. We had already moved out, but I had gone back to visit and stay with my sister-in-law for a little bit because she had back surgery.

And that happened while we were there. and I was like, I just don't see. I have a hard time believing that it was my boyfriend's mother because that was her grandson. Why would she flip her own grandson on the floor and fractured his skull? You know, here I am. Brand new mom. This is my first baby. I had him a month that I broke him already and I don't know what happened.

I mean, I was really upset. I mean, they were calling in pediatric neurosurgeons because he had swelling. I was freaking out. I mean, everything ended up fine. Nothing ended up wrong with him. But when you're going through it all, you're trying to figure out what happened. And I have no explanation how he came off that table, none, because he was only like six weeks old or something. I mean, just tiny, not big enough to do it himself at all.

So, and weird things happened in that garage. It was a detached garage. and it was a little they called like a one and a half car garage nothing anybody has half a car but bigger than a one car not as big as a two cars they called a one and a half car garage

and it was detached and it was also built just like the house hand built you know oak and all that and I had heard at some point that somebody had hung themselves in the garage years and years and years before it wasn't any relation to the family and I'm actually not even 100% that that's true.

That's just what I heard. But my boyfriend at the time was a butcher. That's what he did. And so in Michigan, when deer season came around, we would do deer processing in the garage. And we'd be out there until 3 o'clock in the morning processing deer when we'd get really busy. And I'd be out there by myself trying to clean up and get things.

You know, he'd be in wrapping the meat and getting them. that all cleaned up and I'd be outside trying to get the other out cleaned up. And weird things would happen. You'd put something down and you'd go back to get it literally two seconds later. It's not there. It's not where you left it. But you're the only one in the garage. Just all kinds of weird things would happen in that garage.

But most of the stuff that scared me to death happened in the house. And there was a, he had a friend that you used to. to come over all the time. Everybody called him Ruger. And he wasn't right. There was something wrong with him for just as an example. I cut my finger one time. We were doing something and I cut my finger and I was like,

oh, I cut my finger. And before I could even react, he grabbed my hand and stuck my finger in his mouth. And I'm like, ripped it out of his mouth. I'm like, that's disgusting. What are you doing? You know, the guy just creeped me out. And I came home one day and I'm home by myself as like early afternoon.

And I come home and I'm walking through the house and I kept thinking out of the corner of my eye that I'm seeing somebody, you know? And I'm like, this is weird. Well, I walked in the kitchen and I look out the back door and he's sitting there just staring at me on the picnic table looking through the back door staring at me. He'd been walking through the house. I'd been seeing him out of the corner of my eye through the windows. And I'm like, okay, this house isn't creepy enough that I need you out here creeping around. Yeah. That's creepy.

He would like, yeah, and he would like come into the house and be talking to people when there's nobody there. And being that he wasn't right in the head, he had actually, I feel bad, I shouldn't say he wasn't right now. He had actually had a brain injury. He had been in a car accident, and he had some kind of a brain injury, and he doesn't make him any less creepy, but he had, it wasn't, he wasn't just weird. It was, you know, this had injury. But he would talk to people, you know, there'd be 10 people in the house, and he'd be over in the corner talking to the wall,

and you're like, okay. But, you know, hindsight, I wonder if he wasn't talking to somebody. Maybe he could see somebody that I couldn't. Right. I don't know. But that house was really weird. And the house is still there, still in the family,

and actually my sister-in-law still owns it, but she lives up north now, and her nephew lives in that house. house with his wife. And I want so bad to ask them if, like, stuff happens because it was, ugh, I was so glad when she got rid of that furnace because that was the creepiest furnace. It was literally like one of those Freddie Krueger furnaces. It would go out all the time.

So in the middle of the night, in the middle of winter, you'd have to go down there with the, and we had a roll of toilet paper and matches right next to the furnace because he had to, like, roll up a little skinny thing at toilet paper so you could reach the flame part, light it on fire, stick it in there, and light that furnace because it would go out all the time. So you're in the middle of the night, down in the basement, trying to light this Freddie Cougar furnace, and it feels like there's somebody

behind you. Oh, I hated that house. If the furnace went out when I was home by myself, I would just either leave or freeze to death because I wasn't going to go down there and light that furnace. I can tell you that right now. It was horrible. Yeah.

sounds like it. So let's just take a break right now. When we come back, we'll get right back into things with the Missy. Hey, this is Rocky Elmore, author about on foot, and you're listening to The Confessionals with Tony. Nobody else has ever saw anything or experienced anything that seems to be just isolated incidences with you, I'm assuming? You know what? I don't know, but they're the kind of people that if they had experienced anything, they would either, A, keep it to themselves, or B, just deny it completely. It never happened. That's just the kind of people.

They, you know how some people are just like, nope, it's not there. I refuse to see it. Even if it slapped me in the face, it's not there. That's kind of what I was dealing with. So if they had experiences, I don't know because they never shared them with me. But I find it hard to believe that they lived in the house. their whole lives and never had anything ever happened to them like happened to me. Yeah, I agree.

I mean, if it's happening to you that much, I imagine other people experience stuff as well. They're just not talking about it. I had other, like, friends tell me that when they would come over, they would say stuff like, you know, this house feels weird. I feel like somebody's watching me. You know, I thought I just saw somebody go into the living room or, you know, little things like that. My friends would tell me stuff like that. But those two would never, even if they experienced it, they would never say anything.

That sucks because it would be nice for you to feel to talk to somebody that maybe experienced something as well. You know, because like when you tell them, you're telling me the story about, you know, hearing something banging on all the windows at one time. I mean, that's scary. That's like legit scary. Now, I kind of have a, I guess, I already built in fear of windows at night. But like that's that takes it to another level. I mean, I saw something out a window once. And, you know, I saw two eyes looking in at the window.

And it scared me so bad for the longest time. I couldn't look out the window when it was dark out. To this day, when it's dark out, I close all my blinds. Like, I don't want the windows open. And so to hear something banging on the window, that had to be so scary. It was terrifying. But like I said, you know, all it was kids. kids playing around or it was a raccoon or it was, you know, whatever.

Somebody down the street lived off an M-80 and it was the shock waiver or just whatever. I mean, it's anything except it was weird, you know, but it was only those three windows and the whole entire house, only those three windows in the room that I was in. So if it was, I don't know, there was something going on in the house, but they just would not, would never see it. or I'm sure they saw it. They just, you know, you know how some people just always write in an office, oh, that was just a raccoon or that was just the cat or that was, you know, whatever.

But some things, like when I was in the bathtub and I heard those footsteps and then that door not door not started to move, I seriously thought I was going to have a heart attack. I thought I can hear my heart so loud in my head right now that there's no way whoever's on the other side of the door cannot hear it. and I was holding my breath because the slightest little breathing noise, they're going to know I'm here and they're just going to bust through that door. And the bathroom, the scary thing, too, is the bathroom was like, I don't know, eight feet by eight feet. I mean, it was just this tiny little bathroom. It had the claw tub, the little toilet with the tank with the chain,

and a pedestal sink, and that was it. And it was all kind of crowded together in there. So, you know, there's nowhere for me to go if somebody busts in here. I'm just here. So it was really scary. And I just can't believe that I think I heard, I think my sister-in-law might have said one time that she thought somebody had broke into the house because she was upstairs and thought she heard somebody downstairs. But she didn't. So it must have been something from outside because the windows were open or something.

But I have a feeling that she experienced stuff for sure, but she just didn't say anything. Yeah. And when you were talking about it being in northern Michigan, was this in northern Michigan that this is happening? No, this was in Rochester, which is in the Detroit metro area. Okay. It's by, it's about an hour north of Detroit. And then eventually I had moved to Northern Michigan, which is where the other stuff happened, was in Northern Michigan up between Gaylor and Alpena, which is only about 30 minutes south. of the bridge between the lower peninsula and the upper peninsula.

It's the top of the mitt. So we call the top of the mitt because Michigan looks like a mitten. The top of the mitt is where I lived for about 20 years. Then I moved back down state. And then two years ago, I moved down here to Florida. Okay. Yeah, I kind of know where Rochester is. I actually drove out that way for work for one week.

and I did a lot of deliveries in Detroit and surrounding areas. So familiar with it. Yeah. And so you eventually moved near the Upper Peninsula where other things happened. Before we get into those things and stuff, what's it like living in that area? You know, I hear stories of people talking about the Upper Peninsula and how a lot of weird things happened there and stuff. I mean, you weren't living, you know, in the Upper Peninsula, but you were pretty darn close to it. What's, you know, do people talk about the Upper Peninsula as a weird place and stuff locally,

or is that something that just kind of you hear more on YouTube? Well, I lived close to the Upper Peninsula, but my daughter attended Michigan Technological University, and she actually lived in the Upper Peninsula up in the Hancock-Houton area, which is almost as far as you can go in the Upper Peninsula and not be in Canada. So, yes, weird things happen up there. It's extremely beautiful up there, very sparsely populated. It's almost like a last thing or something. Like there's just these little tiny towns that don't have very big populations,

and they're few and far between. There's a lot of just open native land up there. And if there was ever a place for cryptid, I believe 100%, they could be in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan because there's not a lot of people up there. And there are a lot of strange things that happen up there, especially around the Straits area and the McAnall area and McAnall Island. There are, you know, there's a fort in McIntyall Island that's been there for hundreds of years.

Weird things happen there. There's a lot of Native American landmarks and properties that, you know, the Native Americans lived hundreds of years ago, areas that they wouldn't go into because they were, you know, the devil's this or the devil's that. And, yeah, no, there's a lot of weird things that do happen in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. It's a very strange place, but it's not a scary place. It's very, actually very therapeutic. And you could actually get, there's a lot of rock. up there and there's certain types of rocks that you can almost feel the energy coming off.

I'm like it gives you energy. It makes you feel good to get this vibe that's up there. Yes, a lot of weird things happen, but not like scary weird things, just things that make you go, huh? You know, and it's really beautiful up there. It really, really is. But, you know, if you like being up to your armpits in snow in the wintertime, then, hey, go for it. But if you don't, that's not the place for you unless you book there in the summertime. But it's very beautiful.

And there's a lot, a lot, a lot of history of fur traders and Indian wars and just all kinds of history up there. And it's very, very, very interesting place. But yes, weird things do happen. That's not just a mess. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, because I've heard of these, you know, different stories coming out of, you know, the Upper Peninsula. And, you know, everybody that I heard tell these stories, they make it sound like the Upper Peninsula is some kind of creepy, scary place to be.

You don't want to really settle in there because it's just, you know, a wild land for, you know, paranormal type activity and stuff. And you're telling me, it's beautiful. You know, so. Well, it is. But, you know, like I said, a lot of weird stuff happens. So if you're one of those types of people that doesn't necessarily have an open mind towards the paranormal or what things could be, then it would be scary, right? It happens. And you're not, and you don't have that open mind or the right kind of, you know, energy around you.

It's going to be scary as opposed to, you know, just, well, that was weird. but, you know, so maybe it just depends on who's, you know, who's experiencing the, quote-unquote, weirdness up there. And maybe they experience weird things that I, and there's a lot of dog man sightings up there. So, you know, if I had seen one of those, maybe it wouldn't be so beautiful. Maybe it would be scary and creepy. But, you know, I know a couple people that have said they've seen dogmen up there. So, you know, that's a whole different ball of wax.

if I saw something like that, I would probably say it's a scary place. So I guess maybe it depends on what happened to those people and how they perceive it. But I don't know that I've ever had anything, quote-unquote, weird happened to me. But there is, if you ever go there, there is a, for lack of a better term, a vibe up there that, I guess according to your own energy could be good or bad. And I'm sure if there's a lot of energy up there, because basically the Upper Peninsula is a giant rock. You know, and rocks hold energy and all kinds of things. So if I'm sure there are areas that are scary. So, you know, it could depend on where you are up there too.

Where my daughter was wasn't scary, but I'm sure there are places up there that could be scary. So, I don't know. It's a weird place, though. Yeah, I mean, that's what I've, I've only ever heard. It's a weird place. So I had to ask you about it. Yeah. So you...

If you ever get the chance, go, though. If anybody ever says, hey, let's, you know, go up to the Upper Peninsula for two or four days and check it out. Go. And you'll see what I'm talking about. Yeah, I actually had a guy message me telling me that I guess his family has some kind of cabin up there or something like that. he wanted me to come up and hang out and I guess go camping with them and stuff. It's just, you know, the Upper Peninsula is a long way from Philadelphia. So it's kind of hard to get out that way.

But if you get the opportunity, you should go. Everybody in Michigan has a cabin up north. Everybody goes up north. That's just what you do. I don't know if they do that in Pennsylvania. I know it's fairly popular in New York, too, but it's kind of a Midwest thing. everybody has a place to go up north and that's where when you go on vacation

you go up north where are you going up north well when you say up north in michigan everybody knows that means you're going either to the top of the mitt or you're going up to the u p because if you're anywhere south of saginaw you're not quote unquote up north so you know it doesn't surprise me that your friend has a cabin up north in northern peninsula because everybody's got a cabin up north

yeah well i would love to get a cabin one day It is kind of a similar thing here in Pennsylvania. A lot of people get cabins. Pennsylvania is just a very rural state to begin with. I mean, outside of the Philadelphia area and the Pittsburgh area, there's just a lot of woods in between. I mean, there's just a whole lot of nothing, really. And so there's cabins and small towns, you know, spursed all over the place.

But with your experience that you had in Michigan with a Bigfoot sighting, where did this happen at? This happened in where we lived, we had 40 acres, and it's in, we were just north of a town called Atlanta, which is a little town between Galard and Alpena. Elpina is on the east coast of Michigan, right on Lake Huron, and Galard is about in the middle of the state of the upper part of the Mitt, and we were halfway in between those two. in a little town called Atlanta, and we were five miles outside of town on a dirt road, and we had 40 acres, and then across that dirt road, my sister-in-law had 10 acres, and then next to us had his brother had 10 acres, and then his aunt had 10 acres, and his brother had another 10 acres, and it went on and on and on throughout the family.

So we had, it was all private land for miles. It was private land. We're on our 40-acre plot, but it was all miles of private land that bordered up to state land. So we literally were living out in the middle of the woods where if I wanted to, you know, hey, I'm going to run to town and get a pack of cigarettes, you're gone for 45 minutes because town is, you know, almost 30 minutes away and then 30 minutes back almost. So it could take you 45 minutes to an hour just to go to town. So if you need something from town, you usually got it because there is no just running up to the store up there. We were way out in the middle of nowhere. All right.

Well, I mean, if you want, you could just walk us right into, you know, what you experienced. Okay. So the first thing that happened was I don't know if I have my time, you know, 100% right. but my kids were little like, you know, three and five or something. And they're in their mid-20s now. So this is, you know, I don't know, 90s at some point. But it was springtime. I remember that.

And it was a cold, clear night. And it was real wet out. You know, things were melting and it was raining. so it was really wet out. And we had just put in a screen door in the dining room. We lived in a, it was a little tiny cabin, and we moved up there and started building on it and turning it into a house.

So we could just put the screen door on, or sliding glass door, and then there was a little lean-to over it. And in the middle of the night, probably, I would say three o'clock in the morning or something. My husband at the time, he comes up to me, and he wakes me up, And he goes, come here, come here, come here, you got to hear this.

And I'm thinking, whatever, okay. So we go up to the street door and we lean out and I'm like, I don't hear anything. He goes, just wait a minute. I don't hear anything. He goes, come on, come out here for a second. So we actually went out onto the little porch that there was no walls. It was just the roof. So I'm standing out there, freezing to death.

And I'm just about to tell him, I don't hear anything again, when from across the road kind of behind his sister's cabin there's a row of power lines and it sounded like it was coming from there was this sound and it was like a scream slash

roar slash growl and it was um from that direction sounded like it was in the power lines I'm going to say um

I'm not really good with distances, maybe 400 yards away, 500 yards away, something like that. And I could feel it. Like if you're standing too close to the base at a concert and you can feel the vibration in your chest, I can feel it. And the closest thing that I can relate it to that people will know what I'm talking about is the T-Rex on Jurassic Park. but it didn't sound exactly like that. It kind of had that sound, but there was more of a gravely growl to it, and there was also more of a higher pitch to it.

But that was coming from over there, and I could feel it, you know, like I said, you could feel it reverberating. And it went on for, I mean, you know, seconds. One was supposed to be, two minutes, three minutes to be, probably like 10 seconds. and then it would stop. And it was like,

what was that? And he's like, right? That's what I'm trying to show you. And I just couldn't fathom what that was because we had looked up there for years and I had people go, oh, it was a fox. You wouldn't believe the noises they make.

Okay, well, unless there was a 900-pound fox, you know, for me to feel the reverberation from that far away, this is not a fox. or a bear or a mountain lion or a goat or anything else that you want to think you think it is, that's not what it was because I've heard all that stuff. I promise you, I've heard all that stuff. I've seen, I saw a mountain lion when I was up there.

And, you know, they swear they're not up there. Well, I saw one, so I know they are. This was not that. This was something that had a lung capacity that you would not believe. and the sound coming off of it literally made you, made the hair stand up, and you could feel it. And it did it. It drug out for, you know, like I said, 10, 12 seconds, but as loud as it was, it had to have ginormous lungs to go that long with this noise. Then it stopped.

And then you didn't hear anything when it stopped. You didn't hear crickets. You didn't hear frogs. You didn't hear anything when it stopped. and then it was about maybe 30, 40, 50 seconds later and do it again. And it did this on and off like an hour. And I was starting, I'm like, I'm worried it's going to wake up my kids and they're going to be freaking out about what it is.

They ended up sleeping through the whole thing. But, you know, we talked about what it could be, what it definitely wasn't, where it was coming from. And in hindsight, at the time, To be honest, Bigfoot never crossed my mind because that was like made up stuff that whatever. It's not even real at the time. This is what I'm thinking. And even if they are real, they're out in the Pacific Northwest, so whatever.

And we just could not figure out what this was. And it definitely was, I can tell you what it was. It was organic. It was not like a loud speaker thing. It wasn't something mechanical or some kind of machinery because it was, it changed in pitch, and it was different. You know, it was different enough. It was kind of the same noise, but different enough that it wasn't like a machine that was getting turned on or something. You know what I mean?

It was organic. Whatever it was, it was organic. And it was going off every however many, once a minute or something for, like an hour. And then in hindsight I would have, I wish now,

knowing what I know now, I wish that I would have listened instead of talking in between those screens, I wish I would have listened to see if there was some kind of a quote unquote response coming

from farther away that was just on the edge of hearing or something, you know what I mean? But at the time, that's not where I was At the time, I'm thinking, you know, I don't know what this is. And it's scary because I don't know what this is.

It's very close to my house. We live out in the middle of nowhere. Obviously, my husband has a bunch of guns because he's a hunter. We live out of the woods. You have to have, you hunt, you literally hunt your own meat, cut your own firewood. You do all that stuff when you live in that kind of environment. So, but still I was nervous because it sounded like whatever it was was about the size of a T-Rex. And I never, you know, again, in between these voices, these sounds, we were talking, you know, what do you think it is? What do you think it isn't? Well, it might be, you know, this, that, and the other. And I didn't hear branches breaking or any kind of ruckus or anything like that. But then again, I wasn't listening for it. So I don't know what that was, but I know what that wasn't. And it wasn't a fox and it wasn't a mountain. It wasn't a bear.

And then probably about maybe a year and a half later or somewhere in there. It was quite a little ways after that, but close enough to it. It was summer, and it was really hot, and I was driving home, and I have to explain this road to you if you can understand. I was coming down the highway, and I was coming down, the highway is called 32, and it goes from east to west, right almost the whole way across the top of the mid in Michigan. And I was coming home, I worked in Gailer, and I was coming home on 32,

and I decided to take the back way, which is the dirt roads rather than going through town and all that stuff. Not like, you know, town is one traffic light, three bars in a bank, basically. But I just didn't want, I was just going to take the back roads. It was a beautiful day and what have you.

So I'm going to take the back roads. So I come down 32, two and I make a hair pin turn literally turn around and go back the way I was coming and make this hairpin turn on this dirt road and as you're going down this dirt road so I'm parallel to the expressway or the highway the two lane highway I'm parallel to the highway on this dirt road and as I go the dirt road veers to the left a little bit so that the highway and the dirt road get a little farther and farther and farther you get a little farther from the highway as you go down this road but between the highway and the dirt road is a cedar swamp now i can see through the cedar swamp to the other

side i can see the sun shining on the highway and but i but inside the cedar swamp all i see is dark everything in there looks black because the trees look black the branches look black everything looks black because there's no light getting in that cedar swamp really and it goes down like a ditch so kind of like a piece of pie so as i'm going farther farther down the dirt road and getting farther and farther from the highway, this piece of pie that the Cedar swamp is getting bigger and bigger and wider and wider, but I can still see through it to the other side where cars are going to their sunshine. So I'm going down the road, this dirt road, and I'm not going very fast because it's summertime

and the roads are super dry and they get those washboard bumps in them after it rains, and your car, you know, thick, diga, digip, if you're going too fast, it can actually make your back end jump around and you can go off the road. It's like driving on a washboard almost. And it's real dusty, so you don't want to go too fast. You kick up a bunch of dust and choke yourself out. I'm in, at the time, I was in a geotracker, kind of like a little Jeep type thing, and it had a soft top.

I had all my windows down. And I'm going probably, started out going about 10 miles an hour, got up to about 15, 20 miles an hour. And on the corner of my eye, I saw something really fast in that swamp. And my first thought was, for whatever reason, my first thought was one of my neighbor's horses got loose and was running around in the swamp or something because what I saw was huge and fast. And I'm thinking, you know, nothing can run that fast through a cedar swamp. I mean, it's just muck and branches and brambles and you break your ankle and twist your leg and everything else. So for whatever reason, the first thing I popped in my house was my neighbor's horse got leased.

But I kind of slowed down a little bit and I thought, oh, that's not right. And I looked over and when I looked over, I saw, I saw, I was the exact same level, head level with this thing. and the Cedar Swamp went down, you know, like I said, it was kind of like a little valley ditch in there. So for the head level to be the same as my head level up on the road in my car, the head of this thing had to be about seven and a half or eight feet off the ground, maybe a little higher than that. So I look over, this is I see a head, I see shoulders, I see an arm back, and I see leg, a leg forward like a running man, like the motion of somebody running, but it's going through the trees and the trees are black in parts of it, so don't see the whole thing at the same time. But I see the head, I see an arm forward, like, you know, runners pump their arms when they're

running, and I saw the leg and the bent knee with the foot on the end. But I could also see that when it was running on the back of its arms, there was probably probably about four-inch-long hair that I can see, because I'm only seeing the silhouette of it, but the sun is just blasting on the other side. So I could see the hair on the back of the arms, you know, bouncing or swishing as it, and it runs. And I can see the hair on the shoulders,

almost like hairy shoulder pads. I could see that hair bouncing up and down as it runs. and I can see the silhouette of the face of, it looks like a person's face, but the head is elongated a little bit. Not necessarily, I don't want to say conical because I was speaking from the side, and I'm not sure if it was just a longer head or if it was conical, but no neck whatsoever. Like I said, look like I had shoulder pads on and the hair bouncing as it's running. and I'm doing like 15 to 20. So this thing is doing 15 to 20 through the swamp. So, okay, it's not a person, but in my brain,

the only thing I'm processing is that it's a person because what else is going to run on two legs and, you know, in that type of stride and be running like that. I mean, nothing else runs like that such a person. So it must be some big dude in a furry coat, I guess. and I kind of sped up a little bit, but I didn't want to go too fast because I don't want to make myself crash on these washboard bumps, but this guy's running next to my car. So the only reason somebody's running next to your car is for some nefarious reason.

They're not doing it for fun. And it wasn't registering to me at the time, you know, the hair and the speed and the size. This wasn't, I was noticing it, but it wasn't registering. It wasn't processing. So I speed up a little bit, and I'll go over, and it's the way. running. I look over it. It's still running. And I'm watching the road. You know, I'm going back and forth to the road because I don't want to crash. And I look over to the road and I look back and it's gone. So now I'm like, okay, either it stopped and hid behind a tree or something,

which is good because I'm going to keep going, or it got ahead of me. And the way it was going and the way I was going, this thing's going to cut me off. So now I'm afraid that whatever, whoever this is, you're going to cut me off when I get up to the, to the, to the to my turn up here a little bit. So I'm scared a little bit. And again, what do I do if I, you know, if the guy jumps out in front of me, I'm just going to run him over or something because I'm not stopping for some weirdo running next to my car.

And I mean, you know, I'm not. I don't know what to do, really. And so when I got up there, I, you know, I didn't see anything. never came out again. But probably two years later, I'm coming around that same area, and this time it's winter, and I'm coming around that same area. And when I get up to the curve, there's, I go around the curve, and I go maybe 100 feet, and all of the sudden, now in the middle of nowhere, these, this whole, I'm not kidding,

a hundred or more deer, just, whole, hauling, tearing it up, running across the street. They don't even look at me. They are just going. And I'm thinking, something's chasing those deer. And I waited a few minutes to see if it was a dog or coyotes or whatever it was. But I didn't see anything. But it was in that same area.

So, I don't know, it wasn't until, it wasn't until after, it wasn't until after this happened. and I was able to process it and think, well, wait a minute, if that thing was the same height as me, and I was on the road and I was in my car and it was down there because I went back to that area, you know, in the daytime. I mean, I saw it in the daytime, but I went back there in the daytime. Obviously, I might go back at night and kind of looked a little bit and got out of the car and saw how far down the swamp went, you know, in that little ditch area. And, you know, I was thinking if its head was the same height as mine, the head to be at least eight feet to be as tall as me. Again, I'm not great with measurements, but, you know, it wasn't short.

And when I looked at the trees that were blocking it, when I could see it running, but it was being blocked a little bit by the trees, you know, obviously it's running past the trees, these trees were huge. So this thing had to be like not only eight feet tall, we're talking four feet wide for me to be able to see what I saw. And once you start processing that and run it back through your head, it's like without having somebody right there and showing them what you're looking at, the hardest thing to do is to convey to somebody the body mass on these things.

It's almost impossible to tell somebody, you know, oh, yeah, it was Arnold Schwarzenegger on steroids. It was, you know, a gorilla, but three times a size, it was, no, there's nothing you can say that you're going to, that you're going to really and truly grasp what somebody's talking about when they talk about how just, huge these things are and how they cannot be seen I don't know but kind of have a theory on that too but anyway they they the size of this thing was just huge just huge so it was after processing all this and the hair that I could see flying back in a no neck and the hair on the shoulders there's nothing else this could have been and and and because you know the whole dog man thing went through.

Because in Michigan, the Michigan dog man, nobody in Michigan, especially northern Michigan, that lives there, doesn't know about the Michigan dog man. And seriously, that's almost the first thing that's kind of popping to your head before Bigfoot does, because the Michigan dog man is,

I don't want to say famous, but, you know, kind of, in Michigan, it's, everybody knows it. It's the Michigan dog man, come on. So, but I know it wasn't that because there was no muzzle, there was no, the profile of the face was very

a human face, a hooded nose, you know, very human face. It wasn't a dog face at all. So it was just, it was just huge. And then my dad had a cabin in the UP of this again. I was telling you everybody has a cabin

at Mars. My dad had a cabin in the UP up by immunizing. And he actually went in there and he bought the property and he cleared the land off and he built the whole thing by hand and there was no running water and there was propane lights and this was out in the middle of nowhere. You know, the water was a big plastic tank that he would fill up and then you could turn the thing so that gravity would pull the water down so you could use it for the sink or to wash up or whatever.

and behind this cabin was a natural spring. You could just go out there and fill up a cup or drink right from the spring or whatever. It was super good water. It's the best water you've ever had. Straight out of the ground, you could drink it, no problem. And it was beautiful up there. Well, Michigan does their bear beer hunt. Yeah, I'm going to go out of beer hunts.

Their bear hunts. they do a lottery, a drawing. And you have to, of course, you have to have had hunter's safety, and you have to have, you have to apply for it, and you have to do all this stuff. And you may or may not get picked for a bear permit. You could put yourself in for these bear hunt lottery things for years and never get one.

Well, my husband at the time, he put in for one. And he goes, I want you to put in one too. then we have twice as much chance. I'm thinking, I'm not going to, you know, whatever. Okay, here, here's my thing, put me in. Like, I'm going to go kill a bear. And it was the first time I ever did it, and bam, I got one. Wow, really?

Yeah. And, but my area, when you put in for a bear permit, and you say I want to hunt in, they have the UP and the northern, I think it might just be the UP, or might be in the northern part of Michigan, whatever. they have it divided up with group A, group B, group, you know, A1, B3, whatever. They have all these areas divided up on this map. And you say, I want to apply for a bear permit.

And if I get one, I'm going to hunt. You know, my first choice is area A. My second choice is area B3. My third choice is, you know, whatever. And then they give you a permit for one of those areas that you wanted to hunt. Well, we didn't get a permit for the area where we lived, but I did the permit that I got was for where my dad's cabin was way up in the UP in Utisine. So embarrassing in October.

So I get this permit and we, it's in like, I want to say July or August, you get the permit and it's for October. So for a couple months, you know, we're planning this trip. We get somebody to come up and stay with the kids and we're going to go. We're going to go to my dad's cabin and we're going to stay there and it's going to be a and it's going to be great because the colors are going to be going to be fall, we're going to hunt up there, all this stuff. So we get up there and again, this cabin is, you have to drive into the cabin. First of all, if you don't have a four-wheel drive, you're not getting there, I promise.

And then if it's wintertime, even if you have a four-wheel drive, you're going to park on the street and walk up to the cabin, which is about a good eighth of a mile into the woods off this two-track dirt road because you're not definitely not getting in there in the winter time even if you do have a four-load drive. So we got there and we unpacked our stuff and we were there for a couple days and we were going to be there a long weekend or something. So we did all our stuff and we hugged you for bear a little bit, didn't really, couldn't really see any sign or whatever. And we were like, you know what, it's really pretty up today. Let's just go for a walk. Let's just, you know, walk.

There's no, there's no trails to walk on. There's no hiking trails, no, any kind of trails. You just go out in the woods and start walking. Well, that's what we did. And I'm, he's, he had a handgun on him just in case we came across, you know, whatever, a rabid raccoon or something. He had a, had his gun on him. You can't shoot the bear with the handgun, but he had it for just protection.

And we just went out and walked in the woods, and we didn't really know where we were going. So we didn't want to go too terribly far because, again, no trails. So, you know, let's hope you can find your way back to the cabin. But we were walking, and there was like this meadowy area, and it was, we did find a, um, hold on, sorry, we did find a, um, game trail that we were walking on. So we're going through, and it's just thick, thick wood, you're stepping over. logs and you're going through the bramble. And then we found this game trail.

We're like, hey, let's walk this game trail a little bit because it's a little bit easier going. So we were walking a game trail and all of a sudden it was like, you smell that? That's smelled weird. Like a poopy, skunky, nasty smell. He's like, yeah, I don't know what that is. It doesn't like a bear, but I don't know. He's like, it's weird, like some kind of big animal.

And I'm like, yeah, weird. And so we're walking in a lot. along the steam trail, and I'm like, hey, look at that. And there was like a log on the side, a fallen tree, whatever you want to call it. And in this fallen tree was a little piece of birch bark, like, you know, you take the birch bark off and it kind of rolls up like a little half, it's not rolled up all the way. It's like a little bowl or whatever. And sitting in this birch bark, there was like these little mushrooms and, I don't know, some little mossy things.

and some kind of berries and seedy looking. But it looks like somebody had just been walking along, just picking little things and put them in this birch thing, and then set it down on that log and walked away. Well, there's nobody up there. There's nobody up there except us. It's all private land. So, you know, there's not supposed to be anybody up there.

There's no trails up there, so nobody's walking through the trails. It was just weird. And then, you know, again, the hindsight, we smelled that smell, and then we found that. And I was wondering afterwards if we didn't come across, we didn't interrupt somebody's lunch. You know what I mean? It was just weird to find that literally in the middle of nowhere. It was very strange. And then when I moved down here to Florida, one of the first things I did was, because I'd always wanted to,

to do it. And I never really got into, quote, unquote, researching Bigfoot, which I don't, I'm, I don't really, I mean, I do. I'm into it, but I don't, you know what I'm saying? I'm not, not like I'm out there conducting experiments or anything. You more just kind of explore it for your own purposes. Right. Right. And I really didn't get into that until I was living in Michigan down, down in the Detroit metro area. Well, you know, there's had a lot of swatchee going on to Detroit. So, once I got down here, I had found a Sasquatch research group that was close to me, and I contacted them, and I got in with them, and I've gone out on a couple of excursions with them. It's been really fun, and I think I might have found a footprint one time, but I'm not sure. But one thing that happened that was really weird, I was with two other guys, and we were walking in the green swan,

area down here. And it was probably like 11 o'clock at night. And we were walking. It was a well-traveled trail. Might even have been a road, but it went way, way back in the woods. So we're walking. And

it was weird because when we got back into the woods, we were on kind of just a trail because it was grass covered, but there was no trees, so it was kind of like a trail. And we were walking. and we're kind of talking a little bit. You know, not trying to be too loud, but, you know, kind of half joking and talking about stuff.

And all of a sudden, we literally stepped into this air. It was, it was a pretty cool night. It was pretty chilly out. I was wearing a hoodie, jeans, hiking boots. It wasn't by any means hot. It was probably like 48 or 53 or, you know, it was chilly out. and we stepped into this air that was super hot, like it muggy. And we'll all give a stop at the same time and looked at each other.

Like, do you feel that? That's just weird. And we backed up a couple steps out of it. Step forward, we're in it. And then we could smell like this, like you know when something in your house electrical starts to burn or spark, could get that electrical smell. Kind of like burning smell. Yeah, but there's that electrical, almost like a metaly smell to it.

But we can smell that. I mean, we're literally out in the middle of the swamp. There's not a power line or an electrical appliance or anything within miles of where we're at. So where is this electric smell coming from? So we're trying to figure it out. We're like, this is this ever happened to you guys before? And I'm like, no, we've been doing this a long time. It's the first time this has ever happened.

And I'm like, great, you know, this must be me. And it just smelled weird. And we'd walk, we got about another three or four steps, and we're out of it. Back into the cold air and we don't smell it. Back up, you're into the hot air and you can smell it. It was the weirdest thing. And it was literally in the middle of nowhere. There wasn't like, you know, oh, stand by.

this shed or something. There was just nothing. It was just a spot where you could feel it, the hot air and smell it, and you step out of it, and it wasn't there. I have no idea what that was. But that is definitely one of the weirdest things that ever happened to be, is walking into that patch of, and it was real muggy, humid air. It was an electrical smell.

I don't know. It was weird. Yeah, I'd say so. So let's just take a break right now, and when we come back, we'll start winding the show down. We'll be right back, everybody. This is Forrest and Scott from astonishing legends, and when we're not hunting down ghosts, scripteds, and mysteries,

we're listening to The Confessionals with Tony Merkel. You know, when you saw this creature running alongside your car, you were describing the hair. How long was the hair, would you say? Was it like long, flowing hair, or was it more short and stubble? It wasn't long and flowing, but it was long enough that I could just see it. and it wasn't it wasn't like blowing in the wind it was actually like bouncing as it went up and down the hair would you could see the hair um you know bouncing on the when it would go up and stride a little bit

the hair would go up and you know how I don't know how to say it it wasn't like the wind was blowing it it was flowing like long golden hair it was just bounce you could see the hair moving and bouncing with the thing as it went and it was probably like hair that was like, maybe like four inches or, it was a little bit longer on the shoulders in the top of the back than it was on the, I could see it on the shoulders in the back. And then on the back of the forearm, you know, like where that bone is on your forearm, like that area, I could see the hair moving there. But everywhere else I didn't see the hair bouncing, just basically.

on the shoulders and on the back of the arms. And that's really like, that's where the hair was longer. So it's probably like four or five inches there. And then the rest of the body, it was probably like two or three inches. It's like two inches. Okay. All right. So when you first heard the vocalizations, your knowledge of Bigfoot at that time was very

limited, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, I thought it was... I'm sorry, go ahead. I was just to say, I thought it was a bunch of, you know, bunk. I mean, right. How stupid does that sound, right? Oh, no. A giant thing running around in the woods. I mean, that was my point of view at the time was give me a break. Sure, and I can understand that. Now that you kind of looked into it more and you actually have seen one, So what are your thoughts on that initial encounter? Do you think it was something that was walking those power lines?

I've thought about this and thought about this and thought about this. You know, I don't know. Again, like I said, I wished I would have listened to see if there was one answering it from somewhere far off because I'd be almost willing to bet there was. But I don't know. It wasn't walking the power line. I mean, I think they do walk the power lines because the path of least resistance type. thing.

I don't, but I, at that night, wherever, whatever it was, was stayed in that basically same area. It didn't, like, get farther away as it went. It was, it stayed right there. But, um, I don't know if it was like, you know, maybe some, like, had just lost a young one and it, because it really did sound like, almost like mourning or, or, uh, there was a deep almost emotion to it. Like, it wasn't just a scream, like, get out of here.

Or there was almost like a emotion behind it. So I don't know if it was, you know, something made it mad or if it was hurt or if it lost a baby or something. I don't know. I really don't. all right that's fair enough i mean uh what you're describing to me it sounds to me almost like what i think of is like almost like a a cry out of like almost desperation you know because you keep going saying about the you know losing a baby or if it's hurt i kind of try to picture what what you heard and that's kind of the vibe that i get i don't know if that's kind of what you heard or not

though yeah it definitely had a um emotion to it again that's that's the vibe that i'm Another reason why I don't, I know it wasn't mechanical because it had feeling behind it. Like, it just felt, it was almost like mournful or sourful a little bit. So, I mean, I don't know. Maybe Mr. Sasquatch caught Mrs. Sasquots with somebody else. I don't know. Whoever it was, that is like they were in a lot of, you know, either mad or a lot of pain, you know, or a brokenhearted pain, not like, I mean, I guess

it could have been pain pain, like they got hurt. Sure. I've never heard anybody say that before. That's too funny. That's too funny. Yeah, maybe. That's fantastic. Awesome.

So. Maybe they got hit by a car or something. I don't know. but it sounded really it was strong emotional something sorry go ahead no it's fine emotional crying

I get it you hinted on something earlier actually a couple of things here but you know I just wanted to pick your brain just a little bit real quick we don't have to be on it long but you mentioned about how everybody in Michigan you know they know about dog man

that's like a given is it kind of like how Sasquatch is in the Pacific Northwest like, you know, Washington State, where a lot of people just kind of, they take it for what it is. I mean, everybody knows about it. Everybody in Michigan knows of the Michigan Dogman because it's Michigan Dogman and one DJ came out with that song and all that. And I think most people know of the Michigan Dog Man. I think in the Pacific Northwest when it comes to Bigfoot, more people are accepting of Bigfoot.

tell somebody in Washington that you saw Bigfoot, you have a better chance of them going, oh, that's really cool, what it looked like. In Michigan, if you say I saw a dog man, people know exactly what you're talking about, but they're still going to think, you're not. So I think everybody knows what the dog man is in Michigan, but they're not as accepting of it as they are Bigfoot in the Northwest, if that makes sense. No, it actually makes perfect sense of stuff. I mean, it's a shame because I think that, you know, people who see Dogman need to be paid attention to, but it does make perfect sense.

Definitely. That's not the people that see Dogman may need to be paid attention to because there's too many people, again, the same thing with Biggs. There's too many people that are seeing it that are policemen and judges and doctors and not that that makes them more credible. It does with some people, I suppose. but, you know, people say, well, it was seen by a policeman, and people go, oh, well, it's a cop. It must be credible. That's not it. When you say it was seen by a policeman and that makes it more credible, the reason it makes it

more credible is not because that person is a cop, but because that person has had specific training and observation skills. Therefore, they are far less likely to misidentify it as something else. as Joe Schmoe Farmer. So when you say, you know, this thing was seen by a policeman, you know, it's not that he's a policeman that makes him all hot, you know, he's a big shot, so he saw it, it must be. It's because of their training. If you get a policeman or a sheriff or somebody like that or a military person who's seen

one of these things, a big foot of dogman, whatever, what makes that more credible is the training that they've put behind that sighting? when they tell you they saw a dog walking on two legs, you know, and this and the other, the chances that that's what they saw are just a little bit higher because they're trained to look for certain things and they're trained on how to observe things.

So when they see it, that's what makes it more credible. Not that they're better than us. They're trained better than us. So when they see one, it's a more credible sighting. Yeah, no, I absolutely agree with you.

I mean, their training to be observant and aware of their surroundings helps with their credibility because they are professionally trained and it's what they do it's what they're supposed to do

so I totally agree with them What are your... There is why it depend on their ability to observe what's going around them If they don't observe what's going around them in their job, they could die so, you know, they know how to watch what's going on around them

Yep, absolutely. Let me ask you a question. and you hinted at it earlier, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? You know, what do you think it is? Actually, let me rewind here. Before you even touch that, you mentioned this earlier. What's your theory on how they are not seen? Honestly, I think that people talk about cloaking and all this stuff.

I think the absolute biggest reason why they're not seen, is because people aren't looking for them. You could walk right past one, and people do this all the time in, you know, Uganda or whatever with mountain gorillas. You can walk right past them and not even know they're there because they know how to put themselves between a tree or a bush or something in you. And I think that a lot of times people do see them, but they don't see them. they skim right past them because they don't see, if you don't see an entire outline of a big foot standing right in front of you, and you just see part of one sticking out from a bush,

you're not going to register that's what that is. And I also think that people say, well, we haven't found, you know, how come how hard you don't find bones? Okay, let's say you're out hunting and you find a femur that's, whatever, three feet long. Okay. I know that's not a human bone because it's too big.

So it must be what, a cow or an elk or something? That's pretty cool. Toss it and time and keep going. Unless you found a skull, honestly, or a complete skeleton put together, if you just found a femur or a rib or a spine of a fat watch, you'd think, wow, that was a big elk. I'm not trained in anthropology or whatever it is. I don't know how to identify a primate femur from a femur from an ungulate, like a deer or an elf or a dew.

I don't. So if I found a giant femur, I'd say, well, that was a big dare or a cow or whatever, top of the side and keep going. I think people have found big foot bones. They just didn't know what they were finding. As far as a quote-unquote opso record, it's my understanding that to this day, there's no quote unquote fossil record of the chimpanzee because the soil is too acidic. They live in rainforest mostly and the soil is too acidic and it doesn't preserve bone.

There's a lot of animals that we have that we know of don't have a fossil record because of where they live or how they live that their environment is not conducive to keeping bones around. So to answer your question in a roundabout way, I think people do. see them and they just don't know that they see them. I think it's a big part of what it is. And the people that do see them and recognize them for what they are and see something are labeled insane. So a lot of people see them and say they don't or don't tell anybody. Yeah. No, I get it. I totally agree with you. Before we get out of here, if you don't mind, what are your thoughts on what Bigfoot is?

think that, um, sorry, my dog's barking. I think that I'm conflicted because, um, I'm a Christian. So that, and, and people, this drives me crazy because people say, well, they don't want anything to come out that big foot's real to government because they would just blow religion away. Why? Why do I blow religion away? I don't understand that.

I'm, I'm a Christian. I think Bigfoot's out there. I know Bigfoot's out there. What it is, I'm not sure, but, you know, you've got to mention the Bible of drawn up Lake right now, Enoch or whatever. But there's, I don't know. If it's a preacher that God made didn't choose to tell us about, or if it's a, you know, a type of a person, something that bred with a human.

I don't think they're supermanatural or interdimensional, but then again, I don't know. You know, there's cases of people that have literally, you know, the case of a guy back in the 1800s just walked across the field and wife and kids saw him disappear in Illinois, and they went over there, they could hear them, but they couldn't see them, and they never saw them again. So, you know, is there other conventions and stuff?

could be, I don't know. I don't think, I don't put this, I think they're flesh and blood. I think you can kill one, let's put it that way. I think they're higher than animals. I think there are higher intelligence than animals. I don't think there's dumb beasts, but I don't think they're called magic eater. So I guess that's what I think they are. So in other words, you don't know.

I don't know. That's fine. That's fine. I don't think they are. I don't think they're from outer space, and they don't think they're, you know, certain things. But what they are, until we get one where people can study it, we won't know what they are.

Nobody knows what they are. Now, I tend to agree with you. I mean, I say the same thing so many times. I really don't know what these things are. I believe that they're out there. I've never seen one, but I've talked to so many people who have seen them that for me, I just can't ever not believe that they're out there because there's just too many people that I've personally talked to that have seen these things. And so,

uh, you know, what they are, I have no idea. I mean, I have some ideas, but, you know, nothing's for sure. So, well, Missy, listen, I really appreciate you coming on the show and talking with this and sharing your experiences, uh, fascinating stuff. And, uh, I really appreciate it. And if you ever have any other experiences that you'd like to share, feel free to come back on the show. All right. Thanks, Tony. I appreciate it. You got to miss you. Talk to you later. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, go ahead and share it around social media.

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