The Confessionals - 706: Dogman Glitch

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

In episode 706: Dogman Glitch, Brandon from Tinfoil Tales recounts a chilling night in Peru, Indiana, where a routine drive turned into a confrontation with the unexplainable. A towering, headless figure appeared in the road, its jerky movements defying logic and reason. As Brandon and his coworker tried to make sense of what they witnessed, the encounter escalated, revealing a creature that stood taller than any man, with features both animalistic and otherworldly. In a town already steeped in strange legends of upright canines and winged humanoids, this experience left a mark that would haunt him for years, drawing him deeper into the mysteries of the unknown.Hurricane Helene Relief Efforts List: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/helene-reliefSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comThe Confessionals Members App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZBecome a member for AD FREE listening and EXTRA shows: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinAFFILIATESGo Silent with SLNT Faraday Bags: https://alnk.to/clXuRY5EMP Shield: empshield.com Coupon Code: "tony" for $50 off every item you purchase!SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsUNCOMMON GOODS: uncommongoods.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] to the Newsletter: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/the-newsletterMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - AdiósYouTube | Apple | Spotify

Merkel Media This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door curl up to grab it and then disappear

When he came over to me Dude he slithered over to me And this giant comes out of the cave And they're all frozen And he starts running and firing up this giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. It spears, Dan, holds him up like this.

Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over, and there are two small, getting pulled off the best bush, and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody, listening to the Confessionals podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me,

on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. That's contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website the confessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Although it works for me, just get a hold of me. If you want more shows on a weekly basis, we have you covered. Go to the confessionalspodcast.com slash join, become a member, get access to all the extra bonus content. Every Thursday, we come out with the members episode. And if you want to have that extra content, but you don't want to get off YouTube, you can become a member on YouTube and get the same content because it's two different landing spots for memberships,

but it's the same content in both locations. Also, friends, go ahead and check outmerchmerch.com. MerckleMedia launched our own apparel line earlier this year, and we have hats, t-shirts, and soon-to-be hoodies right there atmerch.com. And check out our documentaries at Merkelfilms.com. Every documentary we've had so far is right there. And, lots of new content coming to that website here in the near future friends. Check it out, Merkelfilms.com. Now, today we have Brandon coming on the show and he is the host of Tintfoil Tales podcast. He came down to the studio to tell me about his dogman encounter he had in Peru, Indiana. And we also get into the topic of flying humanoids because there are several

sightings up there of flying humanoid. Dogman sightings in Peru, Indiana and flying humanoid sightings in Peru, Indiana. So let's get to Brandon and these stories right now. All right. Today we got Brandon from Tinfoil Tales. I like your hat, man. How you doing? All right. How are you doing? I'm doing good. So thanks for coming down. Yeah, not a problem. So I'd be here. You brought your family down here for a fun family vacation weekend. Right. And now they're on their way back to Indiana. And you're here. Yep. Well, I appreciate you being here. I was telling you earlier, I was at a conference this past week BlurieCon in Nashville. And it was two days and I was standing in the lobby running a booth.

Well, Jack was pretty much running the booth. I was just talking and you don't realize how much like your voice takes a beating when you talk that much. I mean, it was probably like eight hours each day. And then when the room is loud, you get louder so that they can hear you. I destroyed my voice. And so like the last couple of days I've been trying to rest it and it still sounds a little rough. So I feel I feel so conscious about it. So I had to get it out in the open to everybody.

I'm not sick. I just, or tired. I am tired, but it's my voice is pretty shot right now. So it just sounds messed up. But Brandon, you, you wrote a book. Can you tell people about the book and the title of where they can get it? It's called Shadows of Cedarville and it's available on Amazon. It's basically a fictionalized story.

that I kind of wrote between what influenced me to write. It was like the experience that I had. And I'll be 100% honest. The reason I wrote is because someone on Reddit kind of made me mad. Oh, really? I wrote down what happened to me and someone started critiquing my experience. And said, I should have said this. I should have said that.

I was like, this is what happened. They're like, this isn't a creepy pasta enough. You need to make it more creepy. I was like, it's not like a book. And someone's like, well, maybe you should write a book. I was like, okay. So I kind of took like four days to write it. My wife says I'm a hyperfixator.

I start something I don't stop until I'm done. Wow. So I started it on like a Friday morning and then I finished it that Monday night. Now, I don't even like talking about the book anymore, honestly, because I used these like grammarly and word and then I ran it through like one of those, I think it was the Google Gemini or whatever they have to format it because I don't know anything about formatting a book. So after I got it printed and it came back, they changed how things were written.

Really? Yeah, it formatted it by adding some words. It says, like, certain words like 40 times. I was like, I didn't use that like trepidation. I didn't even know what that word meant. I don't even know what that means. So I don't even talk about the book anymore because now it's like it's wrote by like, it changed about 5% of what the book was.

That's a bummer. 95% is what I wrote. And then when I started reading, I was like, I didn't use that. that word. Yeah. So live and learn, I guess. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you can always rewrite it or, you know, I'm sure you have the original manuscript. So, yeah, yeah, that's a learning experience for sure. But you had sent me the book. And, you know, like, we get different mail and stuff and we bring it here. And it, I think it was in like an envelope. And I think it was sitting around for a while. And I was finally going through all my mail. And I pull out the book and, you know, it's Cedarville, right? That's

what you called the town. Yeah. And I see that and I'm thinking, oh, okay. And I wasn't sure if it was fictionalized or what. And then I saw your address, the return address, which was Peru, Indiana. Right. And I was like, huh, what are the odds? You know? Because I'm looking at this book and I'm like, is this a true story? And is it like, is Cedarville somewhere around Indiana or what? Like I was trying to figure this out. And I text you.

And I asked you about the book and he told me it was fictionalized and all that. And I asked you, I think I said, I asked you if you were from Peru, Indiana and you said, yeah. And I asked you if the dogman encounter happened in Peru, Indiana.

And you said, yeah. And I was like, oh shoot. And so like anybody listening right now that isn't up to speed in Peru, Indiana has been a place of focus on the show a few times. Indiana has. And Peru, Indiana, we had basically there's been two episodes focused on Peru, Indiana. And one of them was released in the beginning of October. And it was this, it's just a wild story. But, It's a small portion of Peru, Indiana, where I was told by an individual that there was an over,

there was issues happening in Peru in the supernatural realm. And if I remember correctly, it had to do with like, werewolves over, like, spilling over into the public. Like the things that were going on in the shadows were now coming into the public light and had to get dealt with. and then there was another guy. I had heard that story that I just talked to you about years ago. Right. And that episode just dropped, though. And then this other guy who I was up in Indiana in southern Indiana, hanging out with J.R. from episode 309.

He was the 1% biker guy. And him and I were at his house. His wife was there. and he called his one co-worker or his former co-worker and this guy comes up to this house in his in his

like mechanics uniform like just like a greasy mechanic you know and I don't mean that derogatory is just I've worked in car garages I know how it is like your clothes just get full of grease and filth but he gets out of his truck

and JR's like hey man you need to tell him about what you experienced growing up in high school and this guy like just looked at JR and looked at me. He's like, all right. And we stood outside Jay, or J.R's house for like two hours. And this guy tells me this experience that he had where he, in high school, he dated a girl that was a werewolf. And it was crazy about the whole thing. There's a lot of crazy things about this story. And I forget when it aired it aired a while

ago, maybe like last year in August maybe. But I called it. I called it. Devin and the teenage werewolf. And I got so much heat for that episode. People were saying he's lying and, you know, I'm not familiar with Twilight, but they were saying that he, he basically took the story of Twilight and replaced vampires with werewolves. And so, like, I've never read the books. I never saw them. I think they're movies, right? Or not a TV show or something. And so I, when that happened, what was crazy was when I sat down with him to talk to, or not sat down with him, when I met him the first time up in Indiana, he told me this story that I had him come down to the studio to share with everybody, but he told it very differently.

In Indiana, it was just like dudes outside talking, you know, and there was something about coming into this studio and this environment that like he told the story in a different tone. It was almost like he was reliving the experience through the eyes of a 16 year old and telling it as if he was 16. And which I knew was kind of weird when I was here and he was telling the story. But like I had heard him tell it before. And I was like and there's a there's a key part of this story that relates to you. But he, that whole thing happens and I called him up. And I was like, hey man, like everybody's telling me you're lying. And I said, I'm good with it. If you lied to me, like, I'm not going to be mad at you, but I need to know so that I can just take the episode down.

I'll replace the episode. It's not a big deal. Even though, like, I really would have been pissed. Like, I would have been mad. But I didn't want, I wanted to give him an out. Like, I was like, I kept, it was probably like a 45 minute phone call. And I just kept giving him an out. I was like, listen, man, like, it's cool, dude. Like, just tell me you lied. It's all good. And he's just told me, he's like, listen, like, I wish I could tell you I'm lying, but I'm not lying. He's, even admitting, he's like, I can see how people draw the connection to the twilight thing. He said, but I'm not lying. And he said, if you want, you can take the episode down, but I didn't drive four hours south to lie to you. And so you can do what you want, but like,

I'm not going to tell you I lied to you. And I was like, well, if you're not going to tell me a lie to me, then I'm just going to take the beating. And that's what I did. That's what I did. It's still up. It's still up. I just met somebody recently. I forget who, but they were like, I'm listening to Devin and Teenage Werewolf right now. It's like, oh, man, that was a, that was a rough one. He's like, oh, I love it. I'm like, well, found one person. But anyways, the reason why I put weight into his story is because he tells me this whole thing about werewolves in Indiana and how they're warring with different lichen packs. Plug my t-shirt right there, Jack.

But they're warring with these other packs of lichen in Kentucky and Tennessee. And he talked specifically to me about one night or one dealing with Peru, Indiana, and how his girlfriend had something going on in Peru, Indiana with her gang of lichen. and when he said that, I had already confirmed in my mind that this other story had been true and a piece of it circled around like in Peru, Indiana.

And so, like, those are two stories that I had, and Indiana is very strange. It has a lot of weird things happening in it, all over the state. And then when you mailed me, the book, with the return address, Peru, Indiana, I was like, you got to be kidding me. And so, like, that's why I hit you up. And then you're like, yep, it all happened in Peru. It's like, shoot, dude. So that's my long intro on how we got here,

but I wanted to lay the groundwork for people. So are you, you're still in Peru, Indiana? Yes. So you're born and raised. Born and raised. Are you ever going to leave? I've tried. It's, it's the hole that keeps sucking you back in. Is that right? So how's that work? There is. was a, I used to be in a band. He used to be in a metal band. And I wrote a song called The Curse of This Town. Anyone that tries to leave that town, I feel like always comes back. So I've moved outside of Peru, but I'm still within like 20 miles of the area.

And for some reason, we keep going back. The area that I live in now, I grew up in. My wife wanted to move away from the town we were living in. She wanted to move back up that way. She's never lived up there. I was like, I don't want to go up there. I did not want to move from where we were, but she wanted to move. Put the kids in a different school.

So the kids go to the school that I went to school up. And for me, I just went along with it. So we're back in the same area and literally all the weird stuff again. So like I said, when I was in a band, I've wrote some songs. I actually have a song called Beast of Bray Road, which is funny because it was influenced from my own experience. And so I didn't honestly think about the fact that a lot of the stuff that I do relate it back to my experience. And subconsciously, I think it's haunted me because I've always just put it off. But there are certain things that I've done in life and I've looked into and things that I've done and things that I've wrote about for music wise or anything like that.

And it's all somehow connected back to that. I don't know if there's some weird connection to it or if I'm just subconsciously thinking about it without thinking about it. Yeah. So, man, I can imagine that that is the case that, you know, we have these experiences and they shape us and mold us in our lives. And they contribute to how we develop as human beings. Now, you, your experience before we could jump into the dog man experience, did you have other weird things happening to you before the dog man experience? Or was the dog man experience like a genesis point for you? I thought it was, but now that I've been doing what I've been doing, I've thought about things and talked with other people. I feel like I've had other experiences from an early age, but I didn't even know there are experiences. So I can talk about some of that later, so it kind of all correlates into it. And you have an interesting detail about Peru, Indiana being the circus capital of the world. Right.

The Peru Amateur Circus is held there every summer. And ironically, someone also had a dog man experience. Well, they actually call it a werewolf. During that in 1990, when that circus was going on, they were down on a river, and a werewolf ran into their camp. This was 17 years before I ever had my experience. And I recently just talked to someone two weeks ago, same exact area.

They said they were on bicycles. and a upright running dogman, werewolf, whatever you want to call it, come walking out in their pathway where they're riding their dirt bike or their bicycles or whatever as kids. And they all got scared and pedal off home

and they never really talked about it, I guess, because it's weird, though, because I did the same thing. Like, when you see these things, it's like you instantly don't want to talk about it afterwards. So I don't know if that's like, because people think you're crazy. Yeah.

or whatever, but for some reason, it just seems to be what goes on, like, when you see weird things, but far as like the clown thing, they call it clowntown because the circus. So of all the places in the world, why is Peru, Indiana, the circus capital of the world? Yeah. They have the amateur circus. I don't know. I haven't done a whole lot of research into when it started, but they have the Circus Hall of Fame out there, too. And not too far from where the Hall of Fame is, is a lot of the areas where these people have been.

having these weird dog man sightings. So it's all almost in the same general areas. It's all along the Walbash rivers. So the Walbash rivers, the two sightings that you just referenced, one in the 80s, one in 90, right, 1990, how close in proximity were they? Do you know, like from the description of where the person is describing from 1990, It's the same exact area as the guy that I actually talked to in person two weeks ago. So they're not the same person as far as I know.

Yeah. But this is two different people that told me about it. It was a campsite that's basically on the river and it's not right along the banks on the outskirts of town. I have a friend that actually lives right in that general area too because he was actually there when I was talking and the guy was talking about it. So they kind of got creeped out a little bit that they live in the same area that this thing keeps showing. up because his wife, she's weirded out when she goes to the bathroom upstairs because she always feels like there's something by their window on their roof. Really? Yeah. So upstairs bathroom creeped out because she thinks there's something on the roof. She feels like there's something

like right by the window of the bathroom. Interesting. Interesting. I had a lady years ago, I called the episode The Roof Walker. And I feel like that was a dog man. entity. I'm not sure if we actually had the bravery back then to call it Dog Man. Because I remember when I first started the show, I kind of thought Dog Man was ridiculous. I was like, Bigfoot's for sure. Dog Man, I don't want to say I thought it was ridiculous, but I really thought I was like, I don't know. Because I never had an opportunity to talk to people that had experiences

with Dog Man because I came from this Bigfoot culture world. And it wasn't until like in the episode 50 something or 40 something, I had my first person who contacted me about their dog man encounter. And the detail, it was like almost, it was like a week or two in between the two people. It was both women and the details that were so similar between the two ladies sharing their experiences with this dog man creature. If I remember correctly, it was just different parts of the country, but they were both little girls when it happened.

and the characteristics and the interaction was so similar that I started thinking, hmm, this is interesting, you know. Maybe the whole idea of werewolves isn't so much just Hollywood, but comes from some kind of reality. I didn't really have a scope or parameters to put it in. But I remember that's when I had my first opportunity to talk to somebody that had that and wanted to like give detail, you know, Like this wasn't like, oh, I think I saw a canine face in the bushes.

It could have been a dog, but I'm not sure. You know, it was like, this was very intimate interactions. And so it's just, this topic can be hard to swallow at times. Because, like, people, I think, have a framework when it comes to Bigfoot where if you're a naturalist, you can say, you know, we have gorillas. and if you're hunting a big foot is probably some kind of primate that we just haven't been able to find and one of the things that

was thrown around years ago, I don't know if it is now, but it was just like the silver back gorilla was only discovered 100 years ago. How is that possible, you know? And so it's like that idea that's like you're trying to put this logical scientific argument behind it,

but there's no foundation for something like that when it comes to dog, man. It's just like it's supernatural, you know? And so the guy, it was two men that had the experience, two different ones? Yeah, they're two different men. Okay.

So the first one, from 1990, I haven't spoken to that guy directly. So it's, I heard it from someone else because this guy went on someone else's show. And they're like, you need to listen to this guy's episode. So I went listen to it because they're like, it's in our town. So I don't know who that guy was. but when I did us, I spoke at the, it's actually on the same road where I had my encounter. It's at the 4-H fairgrounds. I spoke out there for a pair of unity event about two weeks ago.

And that's where I was asking anyone if you've had any experiences come up. And I had multiple people come up to talk about stuff. Now, not all of them were in Peru. One was on the outskirts of town. But I've had like four or five different people talk to me about weird, upright walking canines. from the 80s and 90s and recently I had one from I think this just said

it was the same year as either 2006 or 2007 but this was more towards about 30 miles away but one ran across the road and jumped over a guardrail so yeah I mean I think that

obviously I don't think that Peru Indiana is the only place that these things exist right but I mean we know about Michigan and we know about Tennessee and Kentucky obviously Kentucky

I mean we had a very famous episode. Dog versus Dogman, episode 335 took place in the Daniel Boone National Forest. So they're all over the place, but I find it interesting that the Peru connection, you mentioned, I don't remember it was in the 80s or the 90 experience, but the descriptor was werewolf, right? Yeah. But do you have any idea as to why? they call it the werewolf. I mean, like, I don't think dog man was even a phrase. No.

So it's probably just the descriptor that they were most familiar with, right? That is the first thing I thought of, too, when I saw mine, because I didn't know what a dog man was. So the first thing I thought was werewolf, because what else Hollywood has made it a werewolf to be, which you see. Right. So that's the first thing I thought of was werewolf. well, first thing I thought of was, what is that? But like, when your mind rationalized, like that's the only thing you could think of

would be like a werewolf because I didn't know what a dog man was. Yeah. And the average person in 1990, there was no internet at the time for them to look things up. So they're just going to hear about werewolves. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't.

When I think about the idea of somebody calling something a werewolf, my default image in my mind is a dog man wearing like torn pants. That's what I think. So, but there was no details as to like something wearing clothing or anything like that. No. Okay. So what in this area, you had an experience not far from there, right? No, it's just a couple miles. And it was the fairgrounds area? Yeah. Okay. So what happened to you? I used to work at a warehouse on third shift and I was their box truck driver. And we got off work a little bit earlier. Our boss said if we get every everything done, she will let us leave early as our Friday.

So she said she'd write on our time cards that we worked the full ship, but she basically just wanted to leave. Yeah. So they were going to pay us for whatever. So we did everything we could, got everything done, got it unloaded. I drove the truck, I think, that night. Unloaded the truck. We clocked out.

Now it's February 9th, 2007. Why I remember that date, again, I don't know if it's because it just burned in my brain. But, like, that's just, I remember the date. and it's cold out, letting the vehicle warm up. I worked with a couple different guys. One of them had went straight, and the other one apparently turned, and I'm following him down the road.

I don't recall if I knew it was him or why, because he's about 1,000 feet in front of me. I feel like I knew it was my coworker, but not 100% certain. And as we're driving, I see his lights go off to the edge of the road, and he swers back on the road. And I'm like, what is this idiot doing?

back then we didn't have cell phones you weren't like staring at that like there was phone but not like what we have the day yeah and as he's driving I'm getting closer to where he swerved and I see this thing in the road and it is moving very

strange I thought it was a person at first because it's moving but it looks very glitchy like the way it move was like almost like a twitch very like it took a step kind of like a twitch looking and I thought it was a person wrapped in a very big black

like coat or a blanket or something because I couldn't see a person so I had to slow down because they're in the middle of the road just like taking big ogrey steps but their body's like flailing so it doesn't make any sort of sense something and like was this a drunk person like stumbling down the road so when I get up close to it

I have to swerve over a little bit too and it keeps walking by as it walks by the driver's window like where my mirror is, I'm pretty sure it like bumps into the mirror. But I don't see what this thing is because it is solid black, but I don't see a head and I don't see any arms to it. It's just like almost like a walking torso looking thing.

Like I can see the really big thick legs, but I couldn't see like clothing. I couldn't see any like details to it. So when it gets behind the vehicle, I have my brakes on some stop. I can see where the red is like, you stopped? I stopped because it wouldn't get out of the way. Wow.

So it walks past me. And you know how like your brakes will illuminate because you have it pressed down so it makes it a little bit brighter? I can see where it takes a step. And I see where it take another step where I can see where the ground is between like its legs. At this point, I was like, this thing is big because I'm trying to look at it. And I can't see the top of it because I'm looking out in my window and I don't see where how, well, a vehicle like that, what is that, five and a half feet, I was driving like a Ford Explorer. So the way it was walking, the way it was leaning,

it had to have been standing straight up at least six and a half, seven feet tall. That doesn't make any sort of sense to me. So my first instance is go. So I'd drop on the gas. Well, right up here, before you get to the highway, is the DOT parking lot. And I'd seen that the car just pulled in there, the one that's for them to miss it. And as I'm getting closer, I see it's my coworker. So I pulled in next to him.

and he cranks down his window and he's like, did you see that? I said, yeah, what was? He's like, it didn't have a head. I'm like, all right, we need to go back. Whoa. So I convinced him

to turn around, we go back. And as we start to go back, I'm in front, he's behind me. There's now what appears to be something laying in the road. And as we get up closer to it, I can see what looks like a dead dog. like there's this big black dog lane

across the middle of the road. The way it's lane is like, here's your lane. It's this way. So there's no way for me to either side. That couldn't have been there when we just drove by. So I park. Looking back at this now, I'm so stupid

because I never should have went back. I never should have did what I did. But we parked. I'm starting to get out. And he cranks down, I was like, what are you doing? I was like, there's a dead dog in the road. Why did I want to get out to a dead dog that wasn't there like literally a minute ago? It's like I can't process the stupidity of what I did.

So I started to get out and walk to it. And I'm getting there, I can see it looks like it has big puffy fur, almost like a child dog's fur. It's got a long bushy tail. It's just laying there. And then as I get closer, its head comes up off the ground because it's bodies this way. So its legs and stuff are going the direction the thing would have been walking. it lifts its head up and looks back. And at this point, the eye shine is reflecting from the headlights

because there's two sets of headlights on it. And it lets out a really low, rumbly, you can almost feel it in your body type of a growl. And I'm like, uh-oh, it ain't dead, and I froze. And then I hear him cussing at me in the background to get back in the car, call me an idiot. And this thing starts to try and stand up. But it does almost like a weird, folly stumbly type stance.

and then it stands directly up. And by that, I mean, on both legs. Like, it's bottom feet. And when it stood up, it had, like, you know how when a dog would stand up, it would have the bends to its, like, front paws and everything? It didn't do that. It literally dropped, almost like a human.

It had shoulders and arms, but it didn't have hands. It had normal paws. Everything about it looked like a normal, large black wolf. But it didn't have. like the characteristics of the werewolf. So you didn't see

like the raccoon fingers or anything like that. Everything looked normal. But it's staring at me and I'm six foot three and we're about eye to eye. This thing's my height or taller than me. How far away is it from you? Fifteen feet.

Jeez. And we're just looking at each other for just a few seconds and then it crouches down. Almost look like in that hunkered like a dog would try and take a crap type of weird position, and then it walked off on its hind legs, but it kept its arms bent up like it brought its front paws, arms or whatever,

up here, and walked off sideways. Someone said, did it walk off like a crab? I was like, I mean, I mean, you could describe it that way, because it walked off very unnaturally. It didn't look. Someone said, do you think it may but trying to make itself smaller? I never took any stock of that, but yeah, like it made itself like,

as low to the ground as it could is to walk away. But if it can stand directly up like a person, why would it have to walk like that? That doesn't make any sort of sense. So at this point, I go back to where my car is, and my coworker had gotten out. He's like, what was that? I was like, man, I don't even know.

As we're talking about it, I look down on the ground, and between us, this is the creepiest part of everything so far for me. There's a field mouse standing between us. and it's standing on its hind legs. What? It's a field mouse.

It's all wet. And it's doing this. It's wiping its face with its paws. It's all wet. It's wiping its ear. Wiping its fur. I take my shoe. I nudge it.

He doesn't even care. He literally just keeps cleaning itself. I'm like, man, I'm done. I'm going home. I still live in my parents at this point. So we go our own way. he takes the highway he goes home i go across the highway i turn and go to my parents house now where this happens at is between the wabash river and the ill river the ill river is just a mile to the north

and the wabash is maybe two to the south so it's in between these two rivers but i go home and i sketched out this picture of the werewolf because that's what i was thinking because for anyone listening i am a skeptic so yeah we forgot to mention that like you don't even believe yourself. No. Like for my own encounter, I've tried to write it off for so many years because these things aren't real. There's, we talk, there's no scientific possibility that something like this can exist.

So it was just a normal dog. I don't know how to explain it other than it was just a normal dog. But I go home, I drew this werewolf. I get online and I go to one of these websites and I like scan the photo because it's back in the days you had to have a scanner, scanned it, put it online. And someone commented it. on this, like, forum that I was on, like, oh, it's a Michigan dog man. I'm like, what is a Michigan dog man?

So I started to look up Michigan Dogman stuff, and a lot of the photos were very reminiscent, except for the fact that this thing had a tail and it had normal paws and everything else about it. Most of the stuff that I saw for Dogman, they didn't have tails, which is weird. Yeah. And they had like humanoid features. Like a lot of them didn't even have fur, which I think is where the werewolf thing comes from. This thing had full-on puffy fur. Like dog hair. Right.

And someone said I saw a black bear. We don't have black bear, to my knowledge, really, in Indiana. We also don't have upright walking canines in Indiana, as opposed to leave their butt. I know the difference between a bear and a dog. At 15 feet away. Right. With two sets of headlights shining on it. Yeah.

And bears don't have big bushy tails. Like they may have a little nub, but it's not, like, this is a big old fluffy. I have a German Shepherd at home. Like, very reminiscent to her is this thing except it was solid black. They asked me what color the eyes are. I was like, I didn't see color. I just seen reflecting yellow because of the headlights. So, I don't know.

But I found all this information out about dogmen. I went back to work a couple nights later. I tried to talk to the coworker that seemed. with me. But one of the other guys working there starts laughing. He's like, oh, did you run over a werewolf? Well, pisses the coworker off.

And he's like, you need to knock it off. He's like, I don't want people think I'm freaking crazy. Shut up about it. Really? He's like, it was just a normal dog. Leave it alone. And he is the type of person that you don't want to make mad.

So I was just, all right, man, you're right. Just normal dog. So for 15 years, it was a normal dog except the day that it happened. And this is the first time I've ever admitted to this. So you're getting an exclusive on this one. We need a sound effect for that. The weird thing about this, and I don't tell it very often. I've only told it like maybe one other person in general.

When I went home, I still live with my parents. And this is kind of a weird personal thing. but my grandfather at time when he was still alive, he had prostate cancer. So my mom and dad went off to go because he had an appointment. So I didn't talk to him. I went home. I worked dirt shit. I went right to bed.

They went to my grandfather's doctor's appointment and my uncle was there. My uncle asked my mother how I've been doing. She's like, oh, fine, I guess. He's like, yeah, I had a weird dream last night. He's like, Brandon ran over a werewolf. I've asked my uncle about that a couple of years ago. He doesn't remember saying that. My mom told me that.

She doesn't remember telling me that now either. So I don't bring it up very often because the people that said it don't remember because there's no big deal with them. Yeah. But it stuck with me. Well, yeah. I can imagine why. Well, like, I hadn't talked to them. So she'd come on and said that to me.

I was like, is my uncle a werewolf? Oh, shoot. Yeah. It's like a weird thing that just randomly bring up of all the weird dreams to have. Why would that be something you would. dream. Yeah. But again, like I said, I talked to her or I've talked to him.

Either one of them remember even mentioning it because, again, it was almost 20 years ago. Yeah. So I don't ever really tell anyone about that aspect to it because I can't prove it one way or the other. Yeah. So it's just like one of those things I don't mention. But it's always creep me out just because they come home. I kind of was like saying what happened. And my mom's like, well, that's weird.

And your uncle said something about he had a dream that you had to hit a word. but they all laughed about it. Everyone's always laughed at me over this because that's ridiculous. So there's a background that I didn't mention. I come from a very Christiany family, like very, they're Pentecostal. This stuff is not real. There is no such thing as Ghosts. There is no such thing as Bigfoot.

There is no such thing as this stuff. I guess this is all my upbringing is all of this stuff is not real. So that's why I've always been skeptical because that is just, how I've always been raised that all this type of stuff isn't real. So for me, it's like, okay, it's not real, but what did I see? Yeah.

Like, okay, I saw a normal dog that literally stood up my height. Yeah. So. That's wild. I mean, I was raised from Pentecostal and I go to a Pentecostal now and my pastor has no problem with this.

One of the pastors we had, so dinosaur weren't real. they said that those are all forms of the devil all the bones and everything are fake because those things never existed i think he was more in the creationist side of stuff but but it doesn't negate what people are experiencing no that's the thing like i mean i mean even when you read the old testament there's a lot of weird creatures in the old testament that you're supposed to say exists because you believe the bible so that doesn't make some of that stuff doesn't compute with me at all um but

So you have this experience and the night that you're out there, you're standing 15 feet away from this thing as it stands up. Now, I know you're a skeptic to a lot of things, right? What's your hindsight perspective of this whole situation as a skeptic? Are you still having a hard time framing it? Are you willing to admit that you had this experience? I had the experience, but it's hard to admit that it was a, anything other than a normal animal because you have to get into the weirdness of the supernatural type aspect to it because what was the first thing in the road?

That was a lot bigger than what the dog was and it didn't have a head and didn't have an arms and it didn't have any definitive features. And then you come back and now we look at the dog thing. Well, a dog shouldn't stand up like that and why did it walk off in a weird, crouchy position? and then this random mouse so as the skeptic I say it was a normal dog

that was trying to eat the mouse the mouse is traumatized that's why he was all wet so it's why he didn't care that I touched him and someone hit the dog with a car or something and it broke its front legs

so now he mysteriously learned how to walk on its hind legs and the reason he walked off all goofy looking is because he doesn't know how to walk on his hind legs you really believe that no

But that is what I tell myself, because that is the only way that makes logical sense. That doesn't make logical sense. None of that makes logical sense. This is a big dog like that size. Why is it even like going after a field mouse? And why did the field mouse even survive if it was wet enough to be wiping off its slobber, but what, didn't get eaten? Right. And it's what laying on the ground.

Like, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to tear you apart. But I think it's, I think, I think you're, you're, you're, you're, you're descriptive. or you're trying to rationalize this is, I think it's a... It's more unbelievable. Yeah. Especially since you had this experience with a coworker. Who, you know, it's a shame that he said that to you and that he took that position.

It doesn't surprise me, but it's a shame, you know, because it's a rare situation that, you know, two people could have an experience together like that and walk away and tell the tale together. You know? And unfortunately, that's not a situation here. And I'm assuming you don't even talk to the guy anymore. I've actually tried to find him recently. Yeah. And I've been debating on trying to reach out to him. So I looked on Facebook and he's got like 12 different profiles. Oh, he's one of those. Yeah. He's always in and out of trouble. Gotcha. Yeah. I know. So like even his opinion is not going to be very credible just because of the type of person that he's been. I got you. So for me, it's like I don't know what to do. Yeah. No, I have, there's one other guy in mind right now that I know has so many Facebook profiles and he fits that bill too.

Like, last time I talked to me, he's like, hey, I'm sorry, I've been MIA. I was in federal prison. And I'm just like, okay, dude. I get it. I get it. But so you have this experience and it has different stages to it, which is interesting as well. In the first stage, you're coming up on it, he swerves around it, you swerve, or you actually, stop and like so you passed it right and then stopped because your brake lights were on it I stopped directly when it was right beside me so I'm trying to drive aside yeah I'm trying to go around it but I'm trying not to drive off the edge of the road and I basically stopped so I'm trying to see what is this because for me I thought it was a person but when I got right up on my window and I'm looking at it because I'm going to like yell at this person it's not a person like no one

would be that big unless they're like seven foot tall. But even then, I didn't see a head or anything. So did any, at any point during this evening of this interaction, was there like striking fear into you? Because, I mean, you got out your freaking car later to look. That's what I've always thought was strange about it because ever once was I afraid. I was confused. Like, even when the thing stood up at me and growled, maybe I was afraid because I stopped. but it wasn't like run away freight is like oh crap this thing's not dead and that's and I'm just watching it

I'm hearing him yell at me to run back to the vehicle and I can't move in the sense that I'm like what is this doing like it's trying to stand up I'm still thinking it's a hurt dog like I don't a very big dog like I said looking at it now almost 20 years later I'm an idiot I never should have gotten out but I didn't know anything about stuff like this just normal animal to me yeah i wasn't thinking it was like anything like that so so uh west from saskatch chronicles when he talks about his bigfoot encounter so first of all i think the the lines blur a lot between topics um i'm very woo-woo you know so like i look at this stuff and i'm like i have very extreme thoughts on this stuff. But Wes has his encounter, I think he's in 2012, I think. It was a long time ago,

like 12 years ago,ish. And they have this radical experience on the mountain at night where there's several of these things that come in. And if I remember correctly, it was like a three-hour ordeal. It took a long time. In this interaction that they had, they saw several different bigfoot. One doing what we call the spider crawl. He said it would stand there and then drop down real fast and on its like toes and fingers. And it literally walked across the road like that,

which is very weird. But he said there was also one up in the tree. and it was hanging onto the tree and looking down on them in their car. And he said it was glitchy. And having these real fast movements, he said, kind of like what a crackhead would be doing. And he said it was just very, he said it was very glitchy. And the movements were real jerky. And then you said something similar.

when you saw this thing initially, that's when you saw the jerkiness of it, right? Right, yeah. Could you maybe try to describe that a little bit more? Was it like the whole body, or was it its limbs that were jerking? It didn't have limbs aside. That's true, yeah.

The two legs, but, like, the way its body leaned forward, have you seen those, like, a car dealerships where the wind blows these wacky, inflatable things? It would take a step in its body would go, and then another step, like, very shaky. almost like twitchy, weird, I guess, crack. I don't, very strange mood. Like, it didn't, very unnatural.

It didn't look like anything normal. So, like, but it was leaning forward. So when it would take a step, its body was like leaning almost, I've said this before, like, you know how someone like a walker? Yeah, yeah. So their body would be, like, leaning forward. Yeah. That's how it was, like, taking a step.

But they're just big, massive leg. And then, like, its body would twitch. and then another step and then it'd be twitching. So every time I'd take a step, its body would be like flapping. Interesting. So I don't really know what that could have been. Like, again, I didn't even think about this until recently, but this actually ties back into some other random sightings that have happened here recently.

Like the description of what people said Mothman used to look like, you could see, like, you never seen a head to it sometimes. Like you'd see like wings. So someone asked me before that had like wings wrapped around it. And I said, I don't know. I didn't see any like I just seemed solid black figure. But within the last couple of months, there's been a lot of weird flying humanoids in the area. This whole area is old Miami Indian area.

The tribe is still there. I've actually reached out to the tribe because I was told that they had wolf people. back in the old days. Like before white settlers came in, they used to have tribes of wolf people. So I reached out to the son of the chief. And I actually went to school with him. So I was like, hey, man, we don't ever talk.

But I got a question for it. It might seem crazy. But did you guys ever have stories about wolf people? He read it and never replied back. He's like, I ain't talking. It's crazy, dude. So, but I'm trying to go right to the source. Yeah.

and I know how some tribes can be about some of their old legends and lore anyways. They don't want to talk about it. So I'm still trying to dig into that avenue of it. But there's been other people that have all had similar experiences from that area. So there's got to be something to it because I'm not the only one. And you'd mentioned West, which is weird synchronicity. I never even talked about it until I actually heard, like, the show that I do only do it because of what happened. I needed an outlet to talk about something.

So during 2020, I'm trying to find something to keep me occupied because I wasn't doing music anymore. So I decided I want to talk about some weird stuff because I was had a friend that talked about weird things. Wes's show was one of the first shows I ever came across. I'm not a podcaster. I had nothing to do with podcast. The first episode that I turned on on his show was the one he did with the judge who had a dog man encounter from just chasing. That was the first one. This is the newest episodes.

I started the first newest one. I'm having them on in December. And like that connected to me. I was like, people talk about this. I'm not the only one. And then I found your show because he'd mentioned your show. And your show and my show, I don't want to say, like, I emulate you, but I talk about all the stuff kind of like, what you talk about? Everything's open for conversation.

And for me, it's like, I feel better about it. Before I even did the show, I was talking to, I sat on that idea for two years. And then I'm at work. And the stuff I was doing for the winter, I work in construction. They had me helping out a survey department. So I'm working with a guy I've never worked before. He used to live in Alaska. and we're sitting in the truck because it's wintertime and we're eating lunch.

And I was like, oh, so you're in Alaska? He said, yeah. I was like, oh, did you ever see any Bigfoot? And he just made like a, hmm. I was like, so that a yes? He said, you don't believe any of that type of stuff, do you? I'm like, I'm going to tell you a story about what happened to me. And then we sat in awkward silence for the rest of the lunch break.

He never spoke to me. Really? Yeah. I thought for sure he'd be like, okay, now let me tell you my story. No, we just, we never talked about it. He never acknowledged what I said. I was like, Grant, this guy's going to go back to work, Tom Mom, crazy, because I'd seen werewolves or something.

I'd rather be called crazy than live in a personal hell of silence. Right. That's, that's just, it's, it ain't fun, you know? Like, I remember when I was still driving truck before a podcast or anything like that, I had the Facebook group, Pennsylvania Sasquatch Research. And I just would post in there. And, you know, that's where I, that was my outlet. And I would drive around all day thinking about these topics and fascinated by them.

Because I was already past a point of, do I believe this? I was like, no, I definitely think that people are experiencing this stuff. And, but I was too scared to talk about it, like, openly with people. And it wasn't until a coworker. somehow, I don't know how, because he wasn't part of my private Facebook group. Somehow he said he saw me post something online about Bigfoot. And I get out of the truck one night. He's like, dude, you believe in Bigfoot?

And I was like, where'd you hear that? And he's like, I saw you post something on Facebook. And I was like, Jay, please promise me you won't tell anybody because I was terrified. And he goes, I can't promise that. Before you know, the whole terminal knows I'm into Bigfoot and stuff. And that was what like, I'm so thankful that happened because I don't know if I ever would have been gotten to this point, you know? And it's like, I remember thinking back to those days. It was, it was terrible, man. Like, it was terrible to not really have that outlet. Like, my wife was,

she was like, my wife, you know, and she was into it in a sense that she was willing to let me listen or listen to me throw a theory out, you know. I didn't really have anybody to talk to. And it wasn't until that happened that I really became vocal. I was like, well, if the cat's out of a bag, I'm just going to go in, and the world's going to think I'm crazy. And the more I found out, I was like, I'd rather than think I'm crazy than be quiet anymore about this, you know? And so your coworker quieting you down in that moment, it was like, that was an attempt to lock

you up, man, and you didn't stay silent, which is good. It's really good. Your experience and how you describe it with the glitchy stuff, have you thought about more of a woo angle to this? All right, let's take a second to talk about our sponsor this week, which is uncommon goods. Listen, friends, time is ticking down. TikTok, TikTok, you got about a month left until Christmas is here.

And many of you are dragging your feet, getting Christmas gifts, because you just don't know what to get. Listen, if you are shopping for your wife, put a lot of time and effort into it, guys. Do not skimp on the wife. But if you're looking for somebody that's at the office, your parents, your brother or sister that lives halfway across the country, you got to get them something.

You just don't know what to get them. Uncommon goods is where you want to go for that because they got high quality, unique, and often handmade or made in the U.S. products. They scour the globe for awesome products to be able to offer you for a very unique shopping experience, but then also a very unique gifting experience. Uncommon Goods is where you want to go for this holiday.

All your shopping should be done there. To get 15% off your next gift, go to Uncomcom slash Tony. That's Uncommonogoods.com slash Tony for 15% off. Don't miss out on this limited time offer. Uncommon Goods were all out of the ordinary. I'll put on my tinfoil hat now. Let's go. Okay.

You got your hat already on. Yeah, well, it's not lined with tinfoil yet. I just got them last week. So I haven't done the modifications. The new additions that haven't come in yet. So I think what happened, the first thing, I think everything was the same thing. And this sounds out there.

I agree with you already. The first thing came into our reality. It's glitching in there. It's trying to take shape. The first thing to take shape of is the wolf. And I wasn't afraid of it. So it tried to make itself smaller. And then it turned itself into this weird standing wet mouse.

Who I also touched and wasn't afraid. It sounds ridiculous, but so does my explanation of rationalizing it sounds ridiculous. I think whatever this thing was was not from here. I think it was bleeding into our reality. So it's either from a different dimension, it's from a different frequency, it's from something else, but it came into our realm. And we just so happen to see it. If I could talk to the guy about it today, you get him to see that side of it. He's probably going to punch me in the nose, just because that's his go-to.

we've seen that happen before it work. Really? I'll tell you that all fair. So, but no, there's like, there's so much weirdness to the whole thing. And then again, just sitting on it for 17 years and I didn't talk about it. Like, the very first day that it happened, I was in a band. So my friend, I actually just talked to him recently. He actually came up when I was speaking about it a couple weeks ago.

I pointed him out to the crowd. I was like, he was one of the first people I told about it because I was. I've seen him later that day. He's like, oh, when you've seen the dog thing? I was like, yeah. He's like, yeah, I was one of the first people. So, like, I've told people about it after it happened, but no one ever really went along with me on it. They just were like, oh, okay.

And they're, like, they don't believe me. Yeah. Like, you tell people, you see this stuff and they're just like, oh, that's crazy. Yeah. So I just, I told my family. I don't think my wife believe me. I don't think I've told my kids about it, which is funny. because we still live in the same area.

And I make this joke often. So my kids were like, what happens if we see dog man? I'm running him over. I'm not swerving this time. I'm going to trump the gas. You want proof. Yes, as one way or the other, I'm getting proof.

Now, a couple of weeks ago, we were driving down the road. And Dogman has moved up in the world. There's a big brand new, fancy house that just got built in that area. But they had Halloween decorations out. And it's up in the air and it looks like eyeballs. So I'm with my kid. they're like, is that eyes? It's like, come on. I'm ready for it. It's been 17 years going down

this road. Like, I go down that road all the time. I've never seen anything again. Man, so you can go right back to the same spot. I live three miles. Have you, have you ever like nostalgia? Maybe nostalgia is not the right word, but have you ever gone back there and just sat and just kind of like thought about what you saw that night and daylight? I believe it. That's what I would, I'd probably make it like every year on February 9. I subconsciously got a job at that DOT. Really? So that's where you work now? I used to. Wow. Okay. Gotcha. So it was one of those things where, you know, it affected you on that level where, you know, it was like pulling you and drawing you. When you were describing it all to me, it kind of goes along with the theory that I have where it's like these things popping into this reality and taking shape or learning how to take their shape. I imagine the properties are different. And so when they're

here in this physical realm, maybe, I mean, it's all crazy, so it doesn't matter. But like, maybe they need to learn how to actually take that shape. And the longer they're here, the more they're able to do it. You know, it's just a theory. But we have, I've talked about this plenty of times before, but we have that video in Florida of the guy who accidentally filmed it while he was on Facebook Live. And it was very translucent. It was very physical, it was physical, but it wasn't totally physical.

And so, like, what do you make of that? You know, like, it's metaphysical. You know, and if it's metaphysical, then at least isn't here all the time. Maybe it is from here and it goes somewhere else. I don't know. Maybe it's from here and it stays here, but it's metaphysical. But it's definitely metaphysical, according to that video. And so when I take that video and I align it with other people's experiences like yours,

the way you were describing it, it sounded like it was like shapeshifting into form and trying to figure this whole process out. And it's like, look, I'm a mouse. Granted, your thought on the whole mouse thing is not what my mind was going to. I didn't even consider shape shifting into the mouse. And if that was the case, was it pursuing you? Because if it's shaped into a mouse. What else do the shape shift to?

Yeah, or definitely. But before that we get there, It walked away and now it's back. We never saw where it went. When it walked off to the edge of the road, it disappeared. I know that sounds crazy. Literally, we didn't see where it went. This whole area is a deer preserve at one point.

The fences are still up. There's an eight-foot fence that used to wrap around two square miles. I didn't see where it went. It's not even a ditch. It's just like the edge of the road. and there's this fence. It went off to the edge of the road and then just out of the headlights

and I couldn't see it anymore. So I don't know if it went over the fence, under the fence, or if it just laid down or if it just vanished. Where'd the mouse come from? Yeah. Like it came out of nowhere.

Yeah. Because we're staying in there having a conversation and literally we were closer than what we are right now and right in the middle is mouse on standing up on its hind legs. Everything that we saw was on two legs.

so for me it's like I can't rationalize or explain that like what is the significance of two legs but it also has that number two again I've been told to be worried about yeah be careful with what people tell you

you worry about you know like I take a lot I get people tell me all the time stuff you know I'm supposed to tell you this it's like this yeah that's what happened and I take everything with a grain salt, the lady's like, you don't believe me, do you? I was like, it's not even whether I believe. It's just, it is what it is.

Like, you know what I mean? I mean, they're an individual, you're an individual, but you as an individual gets a lot of people coming to you as individuals, telling you certain things. And if you believe to everybody, I guarantee you a lot of those messages would be in conflict with one another, you know?

And so you just got to kind of take it as, it is what it is kind of thing, you know. It's not a matter of, I don't believe you. It's just, I don't, I don't pick who to believe. It's weird. But have you ever thought about, have you ever thought about the idea that maybe it was you that changed more than anything that you and him experienced some kind of shifting of paradigm or realm shifting in that moment? People talk about, these different creatures and different stuff like that. And we often think that they are here invading our space. But like in Missing 411, Pilates talks about how if you're,

I think he was referencing the metal sounds, but he was referencing how, I forget what it was, dang it, something's going on, especially if you're with somebody, the best thing you can do is to sit down back to back and wait it out because it will shift back. And so we often think about

these things coming and invading our space, our reality, but is it possible that it could have been this point where you experience a shift of what I call it the bridge between two different realms and these things are, they're not fixed. I wish they were fixed.

It'd be a lot easier. But I think that these soft spots in our reality are, they move. They're not consistently one spot. I mean, I'm sure some are, but that's the way I, that's how my brain rationalizes to explain how it happens and then it doesn't happen for other people. But we have, we had that one episode where, I think it was a, episode 512, Desert Portal, Death Colt. And this guy James went through a very traumatic experience where it was like he went through

this shift. And when I released that episode, I had a guy on, or I didn't have a guy on. I wish I had him on. He emailed me. And he emailed me links to, like, news broadcasts talking about him as a missing man. From what I remember correctly, his mom had passed, I think, and he went. go hiking in Joshua Tree and he he disappeared and I think it was like for four days they were out looking for him and they searched everywhere they couldn't find him and then he reappeared right where

they already searched and they asked him they said what where were you and he's like I was here but it wasn't totally here and while he was in this other place that was here but not here there's people or entities and black cloaks coming up and talking to him and speaking in language he didn't quite understand. And so like I say that because that's a case where there was at least news coverage that this guy was missing and his explanation and story of what happened to him was an accidental shift where he recognized where he was but there were things off about like, I don't know, entities and black cloaks talking to him and the language he doesn't understand. Like, and he was there for four days or maybe at least for our

four days. I don't know what the time was there. Right. But it's just like, I take all these different stories and these things that I hear. And, you know, I kind of, it's like one of those things where you have the blueprints and it's the layers. And so

you pull a layer back and you see different details. Right. And so with your story and stuff, it's a long way to get back to just, have you ever considered that? Like, have you ever considered that? Maybe you and him were the ones that kind of went through some kind of weird shift that night and it wasn't as much as this thing invading our space.

I've thought of the idea because something felt weird about it. Obviously, the whole thing's weird, but like just the area itself, I don't remember we're right by the major highway. Just not even a half mile down the road. I don't remember seeing or hearing vehicles. We didn't encounter anyone else on the road, which again, it's 4.30 in the morning. but it is February but the air felt weird you could feel your breath

I don't know how to describe it like if you ever ate a mint it's so cold like and you just like that's what it felt like when I was outside the vehicle like and there's a very weird calm eerie silence I remember that specifically because I thought that the very day it was happening like when I got out of the car and I was talking with him before I even noticed the mouse the air itself was just very crisp I'm a other way to describe it.

I just felt like it just didn't feel normal because I just was out and getting in the vehicle and that little area felt a little different. So is that possible? Maybe. I've also been told that we were abducted by aliens. And that was the memories that were planted in my brain. I was like, well, why would they give me something that bizarre?

Why wouldn't I just kept driving home? Yeah. So I don't. Well, I mean, I, I, I, I don't want to say that's not possible, but you have two people who were intimately interacting with each other during this experience together. And you guys were in your cars traveling back and forth with this. You both experienced it seeing it. One didn't want to talk about, obviously, but when it comes of screen memories, from what I understand and what I've heard, and I'm not an expert in any of this.

you know, I'm just a guy that talks to people. But a lot of times I've heard people talk about when they go through an experience with another person, they see different things. I think it was, I'm drawing a blank on his name now, the owl guy. I had an episode with him.

Michael, I can't remember. Tledond. Yeah, Clelland, yeah. Mike Cleland. And he talked about that. you know, people have experiences and one will see a great alien standing there. And the other person is like, no, it was a five foot owl, you know, and they see different things. It's unfortunate you could never really compare notes with him a whole lot because of how he reacted.

But it's definitely, I wouldn't say, an impossibility. But yeah, man, like you're saying the environment seems to be a little different, though. like the air was crispy and the no traffic i mean i've heard that too before as well with this kind of stuff in fact i just did an episode i just looked it up it was uh episode 695 uh it was with with the members his guy's his name was west and um and i i know the the title was kind of like ridiculous in the sense that i called it kangaroo dogman and the realm shifts um but it wasn't a kangaroo dog man it was just the way he described this dogman experience. He said I had a kangaroo-like features. He wasn't saying it was a kangaroo dogman.

That was me poorly titling an episode that I can't take back now. But anyways, this all kind of kicks off for him because he was driving one night and he noticed like this light around his vehicle and it was almost like the light was following him. And one thing he noticed is that where he was driving, there was tons of traffic normally. Like it's, a heavily populated area. There was not a car in sight. There was not one car in sight. And then something radically happened to him in the car.

And then as he got through that experience, driving to, I believe, his mom's house, he had more experiences with, like, these lights and the direction of these lights. I forget how it all played out. That's why I'm being vague. I'm not trying to make people buy the member episode. I just don't remember the exact details.

but I remember theorizing with him and thinking out loud about the idea that could this be, was that him exiting this bridge? And so, like, this experience happened on a bridge for him. But one of the details that he offered up as a very weird thing was there was no traffic. And so what you're saying is where you were at normally you would hear the traffic heavily. Yeah, you can see it. It's for anyone familiar with the area, U.S. 31, which is a straight shot from Indianapolis all the way up. It goes all the way down.

So that's the main north and south road, unless you're around like 65, but that's directly in the center of the state. So it goes from Indianapolis all the way to South Bend and it goes all the way up through Michigan. So that is the main northern center road that everyone would go down highway. And there's, again, I still live a couple miles from that road. You can hear it from my house. Because I live actually by U.S. 24 and U.S. 3rd. which is the big intersection, which is a big truck stop. So you can hear all the traffic. And I don't remember hearing any of that.

Because the DOT parking lot is right at the edge of the highway. Even at nighttime, you still see a random vehicle on the highway. And I don't remember that. Like, again, I wasn't even really thinking about it, but I just don't recall hearing anything. Yeah. So. I mean, it could be also a situation where you're having a paradigm shifting moment. And so everything else gets blocked out.

You know, it's like, it's like your wife could be there, like, screaming for help and you're just like, I'm not hearing a word. But it's a wild, it's a wild experience, man. It really is, like, to be able to have that whole interaction so close, in a very nonviolent way, you know, like, every time I think of it, close encounter. It's the episode that I referenced earlier from Kentucky. I mean, he was running from this thing in the woods. Like, it was chasing him, it was pursuing him. But it seems like this one was very self-centered. It was worried about what it was trying to accomplish.

And you were just there observing, which is interesting. I wonder if it's because I didn't show it fear. I don't know. I'm not an expert on anything. But from what I've listened to, for whatever people have talked about, they think some of these things feed on fear. Maybe because I didn't show it fear, it was trying to make itself into something, well, he's not afraid of the wolf. Maybe he's going to be afraid of a mouse.

And instead of being afraid of mouse, I kind of push it off with my foot. That's just my brain thinking. Like, I don't know. Because if it wanted to get me, it literally could have just jumped and got me. Yeah. Or glitched and got you.

Right. It could have just showed up right beside me. But no, like, I don't know. understand like what it would have wanted. Like, if it wanted to get it growled. So that was my first instinct that don't go closer. Yeah.

And then it stood up. Why did it stand up? I think it stood up just to be like, look what I can do. Don't come any closer. That was the impression that I got. But why was it not trying to move out of the way of the road? Like, two different vehicles were coming head on at it. And it was oblivious.

That we were, like, it didn't try and walk out of the way or anything. Like, we had to move them. miss it. Like, it doesn't care. So I've often thought maybe it's because it wasn't really what happens in our realm doesn't matter to it because it wasn't our in our dimension or whatever you want to call it. So, like, it bumped into my mirror. Maybe it didn't even realize I was there. Like, but again, it didn't even have a hit at that point. So. That's so weird. That's so weird. Wow. Yeah. When you, when it stood up, though, could you hear anything like cracking or popping?

Not that I remember. Everything was just dead quiet except for my co-worker screaming at me to get back in the vehicle and call me an effin idiot. You're lucky he didn't feed you to the dogman right there. All right, well, that's your experience. There was the 80s one, the one that happened in 90. Have you uncovered any other stories? I have.

What are they? A lady had told me that, and I don't remember, this was just a couple weeks ago, they were driving down 31, which is right I was just talking about. And they were outside of Kokomo, which is a town about 20 miles south. And this was, I think she said it would have been in the 80s. And I don't remember if it was her boyfriend or who it was, but it was a guy driving. And I think his father was with him. And they saw a white wolf on two legs running along the edge of the road.

and then it darted across the road on its hind legs. I specifically remember the white because that kind of stands out. And someone else had told me that back in the 1980s, they were walking through the Miss Senoa Reservoir. This is the area just outside of Peru where a lot of the Miami Indians reservations and stuff were like their lands or whatever. They turned it into a state park. And they built this dam.

And there was an old town of Somerset that used to be there, and they had to relocate the town of Somerset. But the old town's underwater. Well, this whole area used to be where the supposed wolf people lived. At least that's what the legends were from the, or the supposed legends. I haven't been able to confirm that. But it was all in the sacred area.

And I was told that supposedly where they put the dam, There's also some natural like energy springs or something that they build the dam on. Again, I can't confirm any of this stuff. It's just stuff that people tell me. So I don't know 100% fact for that. But the same areas now where the flying humanoids have also been being seen recently. And it all seems to be somewhere around this outskirts of Peru, not too far from the Walbach River, out by the Mississauna Wall Reservoir. And someone was hiking back there and they were being stalked by.

a couple of large black wolf canines. And I don't remember if they were on two legs or just on all fours, but they don't have wolves in the area. So they were on the hiking trail out there and they could hear things in the woods. They could hear tree snapping and here's different things. It almost sounds saskatchy to me. But they saw it. They said they were black silhouettes.

It looked like were wolves. So they got afraid and they went back to their vehicles. but I was talking to someone else who's done a lot of research in the area. He said there's been stories of werewolves for years in this area. Old depictions of werewolves, old stories of werewolves. Someone had told me this whole area used to be stories of the Rougaroo. I don't know if I'm saying that correctly, but like the French used to be up in that area, and they had stories of that in the area.

So there seems to be a lot of history when it comes to upright walking canines. I don't try and say dog man. When someone says he had a dog man experience, I was like, well, I saw an upright walking canine. I was like, I don't necessarily know if it was a dog man because what is a dog man? It's just a cultural name. Right. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm just going to tell you what I saw.

Yeah. So. Yeah, I mean, upright walking canine is a long way to say dog man. Right. It's like it was a man dog thing. I know there's some people who, when it comes to. the the the titling they get upset when you talk about dog man and you say you call it a werewolf because it's two different things and it's like according to your definition it's two

different things you know like we could be talking about the very same thing and you're just you don't want to admit that certain attributes of a dog man is werewolf like right or vice versa you know But yeah, I've heard the war stories. The white wolf I found interesting because I believe, I was trying to look for it. I can't find it right now. But I'm pretty sure the Greek goddess Hecate appears in the form of a white wolf. And here it says Hekete was the goddess of magic, witchcraft, the night, moon, ghosts, and necromancy. And just judging by what I'm not.

loosely know about the area, that's a pretty good descriptor. And so I wonder if we're talking about a very ancient thing that's going on up there. One of the things I literally just thought about, and you might be able to find it, and it sounds very it referencing, but they claim these things come in cycles of the year that ends in a seven. someone had posted that before. I read it somewhere before, and I don't remember what, but like when it comes to these sort of experiences,

it says it always happens with a year with seven. With werewolves? With that and dog men sightings and other thing. They said typically in the years they have seven in them. Mine was in 2007. I don't, I think the other person I talked to said, whoever's was in 87,

because that was in like the mid the late 80s. Now, obviously the ones in 1990 weren't in a seven, So you can't take a whole lot of stock into that. I mean, just a quick search, very loose connection. I don't have anything on the seven yet. But the first thing I pulled up here was Cycle of the Werewolf, which is a book written by Stephen King, who Stephen King is,

I say this as a fact, I could be wrong, but I don't believe I'm wrong. I think Stephen King is very aware of the interdimensional aspects of our creation and the fact that people are accessing other realms and I think he has himself and I think that's where he gets a lot of his ideas for these books. So the cycle of the werewolf I just find interesting. That's interesting. I'm not a numerologist, you know, there's a lot of people who dive into numbers and stuff. I really, I don't, I just heard this past weekend. So you hear like people who talk about 1111, like 1-1, or 2-2-2. to 444.

I heard that, and then 444 is a frequency, which I believe is a, I can't remember what Dr. Laura Sanger talked about with the frequency 444, but I think it was something to do with worship. But I also just found out from an exorcist that he's a Catholic exorcist, that 444 is also,

when you see 4444, you you should like pray because it's a sign to show you that your guardian angel is with you. And I can't remember his name. He was on with Sean Ryan. He did an interview with Michael Knowles years ago. Rayhill, I think it's R-A-R-A-H-I-L. That's why I can't pronounce this. But I tried getting him on the show, and that,

maybe one day that will happen. But, yeah, so when he said that, I found that very interesting. But I don't really know much about numbers, you know. No, I don't pay attention to any of that stuff. But when we talked about earlier, that lady said two and seven. Yeah. I just was thinking about what I said seven. Yeah.

I was like, how does this random person pop off these random numbers? It does seem a little significant when I start to think about it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So tell me about the wing flying humanoid. Is this like a one-off thing? or is this happening? This, again, I wasn't told directly from the source.

This was being told to me at one of the local meetings that I was out trying to find information. So this was secondhand knowledge. But this guy told me that two separate ladies this past winter had two different sightings of flying humanoids. And to me, it sounds very moth-manish because the first lady said

there was this thing walking in the road. it looked like a person in a large coat. Well, that starts registering with me because, like, well, that's what I thought was in the road. She said it was moving very weird. And then when they got closer, it opened up its coat, and it was wings. And it shot straight up in the air and went right over their vehicle.

But it wasn't flapping its wings. It, like, went just up and then going. Now, another lady said that she saw one on the edge of the road along some trees. and when they got close with the headlights to it, it just started going straight up, like it was levitating up over the trees and then took off. It was levitating up as in it, the wings were out and levitating up or the wings were in?

They didn't specify. They just said it started going straight up in the air and then went off. But both of them never, they just went straight in the air, like straight up, levitate it, open its wings and just went up in the air. I think that's what some of the people to describe moth

stuff as too. Like you never seen it using its wings. It would always just kind of go up. It's interesting because I never considered Mothman a whole lot to begin with about anything. It's just it was never really something that I spent time thinking on until I had a Bo from Bump podcast on. And he was talking about Mothman possibly. I want to stress possibly because he said possibly. being an archetype for lilith and um and if you take it into that direction

it can get bonkers um now the the flying humanoid aspect of this is interesting the first one you mentioned how did it go she thought that it had a coat on she's almost a person in like a large trench coat and then the trench coat opened up trench coat Trenchcoat opened up in those wings. It's funny because the day that I was told this, Peru has a local UFO meeting group. They just started. And I found out about it.

And I was like, I'm the town weirdo at this point. So why is there a UFO meeting thing? And I'm not even involved in it. So I messaged them. I went to the one meeting they had. And they asked me if I wanted to speak at the next one. I was like, yes, I do. And then I wanted not so much for the UFO aspect,

but I'm trying to, that's where I start asking about dog stuff. This was back in March. and that's when that one guy told me that they were being stalked out of the reservoir back in the 80s. And then he also told me about recently some ladies had these flying humanoid experiences.

So I went out that and I called my buddy. I was like, hey, man, I'm going out to the dam tonight. Do you want to ride with me and my boy? I thought we're going to use him as live bait. I'm going to put him out there. It's like to see if those flying humanoid's come out there. Well, this is what's strange. On the way out there, I'm telling my buddy about it.

And he's like, oh, yeah, he's like, this is the road where our friend Mitch saw that gargoyle. I was like, whoa. I was like, I don't know who Mitch is. So don't say he's my friend. I was like, but I want to be his friend now. I was like, I want to know who this guy is. Well, supposedly this, whoever Mitch is, I've still yet to ever talk to him. Him and his wife were driving down the road that we were going down, which is on the way to the dam.

They saw something eating roadkill on the side of the road. And then when they drove by it, it lifted its head up and then opened up wings and then flew up straight in the air. I hadn't even told him all those details yet about how these people said this thing just straight up levitated. He told me that. And I've known this guy for almost 30 years. He's never told a lie that I'm aware of. So I don't know who Mitch is. He may have told him some crap story.

But my buddy 100% is not a liar. So I believe that that guy told him. But that's still a random thing to tell somebody. So he called it a gargoyle that was on the side of the road, opened up its wings, and flew off. Right. It was eating roadkill. And then when their headlights hit it. Yeah, I just had this thought in my head.

I feel like I remember J.R., I mentioned him earlier. I feel like I remember J.R. telling me that somebody told him up in Indiana, he's in Southern Indiana. I don't think it was him, though. But up in Indiana, somebody saw, I think they called it a vampire, going through trash, eating the trash. And when the lights hit it, it shot straight up in the air. that's interesting because if you

like vampire gargoyle it might have similar characteristics and this is what you're saying is it was indiana as well right yeah it's just right outside the walbash river where all these other sightings were happened hmm interesting i so um the winged humanoid is something that has popped up on the radar a little bit this year for me uh you're not the only one uh i talked to a guy named Devon and I think he's in Washington State now, but this happened in Kansas, Kansas City, or outside of Kansas City. Long story short, it was a very, very good interview. It was episode 679. He was an orphan, or not an orphan. But the state was in charge of him, you know.

Foster care. Yeah, but he was in a government facility at this time with a bunch of other kids. And they didn't like it. And so this girl that he liked and this other dude and his girlfriend, they were all in the same building. They decided to run away. And they were out there running away. And the other two, the guy and girlfriend, they got too much from them. They went back. Him and his girl, they were out there for a couple of days.

I know they, I think he said they slept in a barn at one point or something. where they were sleeping in like mulch or hay or something. I think it was mulch to stay warm, I think. And because he said he was really wet. But anyways, they went to her house, her parents' house, and her parents talked them into getting in the car. They would take him somewhere. They were taking them back to the facility.

And so he told him to stop. He got out of the car and he was on his own now. And he found himself walking through the woods at night trying to find somewhere to sleep. And he came across this open field. and as he's just staring, he said it was a beautiful night, full moon, and as he was staring across this field

in the middle of the night, the moon shining down on it, he sees this man walk out from the tree line on the other side wearing a trench coat. And he thought it was one of the workers because he wasn't too far away from where he was supposed to be. He thought it was one of the workers that came looking for him and found him.

So he ducked down. And this man is standing there, kind of scanning and looking around. And if I remember correctly, he said the man kind of squatted down and these wings popped out. And it jumped in the air and flew off. And it flew right over him. He got a real good look at it. And then there's the Hollywood aspect of this.

So just, I think it was last year. I think it was last year, maybe two years ago. Do you have Netflix? Yeah. Have you ever seen it? It was a limited series. I wish it was, I wish they did more than one season.

It was called Midnight Mass. I know what it is, but we've never watched it. Dude. Such a good watch. But the villain, the character, I need a wider table.

But the character in, the villain character in that is a priest who is some kind of demonic entity and shows himself like that as well. And then the movie Watchers, the Watchers, just came out in June this year, heavy,

heavy on this aspect. And in the last scene, one of the characters that you didn't think anything of initially turned into this winged thing. And what's interesting about it, and I hate to do spoilers, but people, listen, I don't care.

It is what it is. Like, it's my show. Don't listen. I'm just kidding. Listen. No, this,

this character at the end of the movie when the reveal happens the way it moved was very glitchy very very glitchy my friend just watched that he told me he's watching a movie that I should watch he said it's about stuff you talk about

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I was like I don't ever watch stuff anymore my TV is literally cartoons 99% of the time yeah well I I think you should make time to watch the watchers. It's an M. Night Shyamlan movie, but it's not him. It's his daughter. She directed it.

Which means that I actually liked the ending. Because all his movies, they grab me, and then they let me down every time. Every time. I'm just like, oh, gosh. But you should definitely watch it for sure. I think everybody should watch it. But yeah, I think there's something to this stuff, man. Like we see we see these

whatever they are dog man werewolf things these winged humanoid things popping up in people's experiences in Hollywood and I don't think it's all fiction how do you handle that stuff though

as a like are you like grasping at straws at this point to remain to call yourself a skeptic without lying because I feel like I feel like you're almost like at the verge of if I call myself

skeptic one more time. I'm basically a liar because I'm not a skeptic anymore. I'm pretty much a full-on believer. I try and remain skeptical as much as I can, but there's no way that I can say 100% certain that I don't believe in a lot of this stuff

because seeing is believing for me. Yeah. So I believe a lot of this stuff. I'm very open-minded than what I used to be. But I think a lot of it has to do with the fact of how I was brought up and just the stuff. The stuff wasn't real. So for me,

experience and all that stuff originally wasn't real. You'd mentioned earlier if I had previous experiences. So we'll go on a history trip here. Yeah. I think it was like eight. My cousins and I were out back. We have this little ditch line. We called it the gully. And there was a little mound out there.

Could have been an animal, whatever. For some reason, we're like eight, nine, ten years old kids. We thought it was funny that they're rocks at this thing. Well, something came out of it mad. And I don't remember exactly what it was. I just remember everyone started screaming and we took off running. My cousins were convinced it was a goblin. I remember something about maybe this big.

And all this stuff does have significance, so it's just not random stuff. But later on, since I've started doing my show and since I've started actually listening to other people's experiences, like for me, it's starting to make me remember things that I just wrote off as childhood.

stuff. This thing they said was a goblin. My dad actually went out with a 22 and went down to the air and he just like popped off a shot and said nothing down there. Well, okay, whatever. Next door to where my parents' houses was my grandparents' house. And I used to go over there all the time. So I'm still about maybe eight or nine years old.

And that little ditch my dad put in like a bridge. He built a little bridge across the little creek. I'm running back home from my grandparents' house. go home. I get right on that bridge. And again, child's imagination, again, me trying to rationalize things. But I felt something grabbed my leg. And it tripped me on that bridge. And I landed right on the bridge on my stomach, knock the wind out of myself. And I hear laughter. Right in the edge of the trees. I hear really creepy laughter like someone's laughing. So I'm thinking, is someone like trying to scare me.

I take all running home. I'm screaming and crying telling my mom. And I was convinced it was the gully monster. That was what I determined it was. Like there was a monster down there. It was the same thing we threw rocks at. And they're like, oh, it was a troll under the bridge. Getting again, getting your kid, little getting poked fun at.

And I was terrified to go out in the dark after that for a long time. because for me, even when I would go to my grandparent, I'd always run. I'd never slow down. I would not walk across. I'd just ran. And I honestly wouldn't even go on that bridge. I would go over through the creek.

I'd go through the water instead of getting on that bridge because I didn't want the troll to grab me again. Looking at it now, like I'm 40 years old. I'm like, I know. But at the time, that made sense to me, even though I was told none of that stuff is real. Well, then a few years later, and I don't remember where I heard,

this at, but I never heard this before. I was at home sleeping. I still lived in my parents. I think this was in 2004. I'd woken up from my sleep because my throat is very, very dry feeling. Like, I can't breathe. And I open my eyes. I see a cowboy over top of me.

Or at least that's what I thought it was with a cowboy. I just see a shadow with a hat. It almost looks like a cowboy hat. And I cannot move. My body's frozen. And I can't breathe. And I feel like I'm being. strangled.

I'd be able to kick free. I get, I'm going to get a drink. My mouth and throat is like hurting. I told my parents about it. I told my girlfriend at the time or whatever. They all laughed. Like, look, I have a dream about a cowboy. Literally, I think it was like two or three years ago.

I heard something I'd say a hat man. I never heard that term before. I was like, hat man. So I was like, well, it had a hat on. I couldn't move. That's like sleep paralysis. And apparently those two things kind of correlate late together.

I was like, so was I having a hatman experience? I've never seen it again. This was 20 years ago. But I feel like I, but I do get sleep paralysis a lot. And I never knew what sleep paralysis was until I started doing this show and listening to your show and other people's shows. Like, I never heard that term before.

But I'll wake up in the middle of the night. I feel like I can't move. And I just think I'm still asleep. It's always always real. I'm awake, but I'm not awake. Yeah. So for me, it's just like, that's how I write it off. But, and then you go until three years later is when I had the dog experience.

So from an early age, I felt like something grabbed my leg. And then, what is that? Like 10 years later, something choking me. So was I having all these experiences? It was it just dreams? Was it just imagination? I don't know. But then this area, I said where the hype thing comes into play.

there is a lot of local legends, not just from the natives, but just in general in that area of little people. And some problem, puck wedgies, fay folk too. There's a lot of story about fairy stuff. So this whole area has all these old lores around there.

I've seen stuff in the house that can also be traced back to fay stuff. There's a lot of weird stuff that goes on there. I'm not a firm believer in that, but at the same time I'm more open to it at this point because a lot of the things that other people have talked about are things that we've experienced. So is this whole general area not just like Wolf, like, werewolf dogman related, is there a whole lot more weird stuff in this general area? That's where I'm starting to get to is because there's so many different experiences. Peru is a small town.

It's less than 10,000 people. Why is it clown town? Why is it the circus capital of the world? why of all places in America or the whole world in this little podunk town the place that they want to have all this stuff that's very strange to me I don't know why the amateur circus is there

they do it every year kids my daughter actually might want to be join it so it's just weird to me though that there's I think there's actually a store called Clown Town Cycle or used to be like they did motorcycle Clown Town is not the only time it's been referred to. Like other people call it Clown Town. And you mentioned Stephen King, It, Shape of the Clown.

Yeah. What sort of significance are these clowns? You interviewed someone a while back. Oh, Stabs. About clowns. Yep. I never took a lot of stock into it until recently since I started digging more into the local lore of this town. Mm-hmm.

And there's just a lot of. lot of weird stuff about Peru. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny you say that because I literally pulled up his book, The Nephlin looked like clowns. Paul Stubbs, we interviewed him, I don't know, a few months back. And I'm going to have him back on. We were supposed to already do it, but I had to cancel, so we'll get it scheduled again. But it's an interesting spin onto the whole area if you want to go that direction, you know, this idea that it's a sort of. circus capital of the world, what a circus is known for, clowns.

What does Paul talk about how the depiction of clowns are what Nephlam looked like? Because Nephlin looked like clowns, could it be, could there be a connector? Could there be a nefarious connector? I don't know. But could Peru in the surrounding area be a hub for, this kind of stuff. Right. Oh my gosh.

You go back to the it thing with the clowns. The circus amateur, it's all children. They don't have adults. Like once they get to a certain age, they don't let them be in the circus anymore. Like some of the clowns are older, but all the amateur circus stuff is kids. It's like, well, would it hit feed on in his story,

the fear of children? What does some of these things supposedly feed on? fear of children. When you brought up the Stephen King thing, I've literally kind of wondered that myself. Like, where is this guy getting all this information at? Because a lot of it, he's been writing since what?

This is early 70s? Yeah. A lot of this stuff, you can correlate it with things today. So, but now the whole clown aspect and the circus aspect, my daughter wants to join. So now I'm kind of like,

do I let her? No. We don't want to. dog man or winged humanoid's flying around the house. No, they might already be. Yeah, maybe. Brandon, man, this is good, man. I appreciate you coming down and hanging out with me and sharing this stuff.

I know you got to drive to Indiana. Your wife probably has, what, two, three hours on you now? A couple hours. A couple hours on you. Yeah. But I appreciate you sharing for sure. Tell people where they can find your podcast. If you are interested in my podcast, it was called tinfoil,

tells, you can find it pretty much anywhere where you listen to the confessionals. So Apple, Spotify, any of the podcatchers, there is a YouTube, but it's just audio. I don't do video because a lot of the people I talk to don't want to be on camera, which I get it. We were actually at a convention last week, and I was speaking there about some of the weird paranormal stuff that goes on in the house. And there are some people talking to my wife. And she's like, oh, he's got a studio out front. He has people. I was like, I don't want random people knowing where I live because I do it at my house.

I was like, we're not doing interviews with people that I don't know in the house. Yeah. But basically for the podcast, like I interview people about all sorts of topics. So there's a lot of cryptid stuff. There's a lot of paranormal stuff. Alien abduction, conspiracies where the whole tinfoil thing comes into play. I think a lot of that ties together, though. Mm-hmm.

So I've had a lot of secret space program stuff, which I was hesitant about for a while. But there's all sorts of different topics. And I still feel like everything is connected. Mm-hmm. One way or the other, all the weird stuff that goes on in the world, I feel like one way or the other is all somehow connected, intertwined, whatever you want to call, I think it all is connected to each other.

So when people talk about paranormal stuff, usually I figured out if people have a cryptid experience, they've also had a UFO experience. And if people have a paranormal experience, there might have been a time they saw something weird on the side of the road they didn't ever think about. when I start asking people questions, I start pulling out more things. But that's with my show.

I don't really ask a whole lot on the show. I let them talk more so they don't, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anybody. So for me, I just, I let them take over. I let them talk and then just kind of go about it the own way. But for me, it's like, I'm doing it for my own, I guess, selfish reasons. I'm trying to find answers for what happened to me. Like that was the whole reason I started because I've been searching for answers. I couldn't talk about stuff for so long.

And for some reason, I felt like I needed an outlet to it. I'd mentioned before about a band and I subconsciously was naming things like there was a song called Skinwalker. And there was a song called The Curse of This Town. Why was I doing stuff like this? Why was I writing stuff about stuff like this when it wasn't anything that I've ever really looked into. So it's like something's been drawing me to it, and I can't really explain why. So when I started the show, the first thing we talked about was weather control, which, ironically, lately, is a big topic recently.

But the very next person I talked to is someone had a dog man experience in Georgia. And then it was a big foot. And then, like, it just goes from there. Yeah. And I hate all my oldest stuff. Like, we all do. We all do. Interviewing people, talking to people is so unnatural for me at the time.

So, like, the old stuff is just kind of like, yeah, I hate it. Doesn't sound good, but you learn and adapt. Yeah, I mean, podcasting is, you know, you got to figure it out. And it's like, it's like early, your early music, you know, some of the stuff you listen back, like, all that wasn't as good as I thought it would be. Or even like styles of music, you know, like you have nostalgic thoughts. and remembrance of music that you listen to from your childhood. And you're like, oh, me, that song you're listening to you're like,

it's not as good, you know, or even TV shows or whatever. So it's just the way, same thing with the podcasting thing. Like, you're putting your best foot forward in the early days. And if you continue to do that, you'll get better. And then when you listen back, you're like, oh, that wasn't that great. It's because it wasn't. Now it's gotten better, which is good. So anyways, man, I appreciate being in here.

I appreciate you. I mean, you were one of the first, you and Westwood, for the first two podcasts that I ever really listened to. So you're basically why I do what I do. Awesome. So it's an honor to be here. It's like full circle for me. Full circle.

Perfect. Let's wrap it.