The Confessionals - 732: Alien Interview: Classified Origins

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

In episode 732: Alien Interview: Classified Origins, Jon Stewart returns for a deep dive into the shadowy world of UFO disclosure, government cover-ups, and the infamous "alien interview" video. Jon shares his years-long journey of uncovering classified information, tracing the origins of leaked footage, and confronting the unsettling reality of what’s really going on behind the scenes. From the alleged role of intelligence agencies in controlling the UFO narrative to firsthand accounts of surveillance, stolen emails, and secretive government programs, Jon peels back the layers of deception. He reveals the shocking identities behind the figures involved in the mysterious footage, the coded messages hidden in official documents, and the chilling implications of what it all means.Is this the greatest PsyOp ever orchestrated, or have we finally stumbled upon undeniable proof of non-human intelligence?Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsUNCOMMON GOODS: uncommongoods.com/tonyGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerJon Stewart: huntingvictor.comOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - SpinningYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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Because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody, listening to the Confessionals podcast. I'm your host Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy, wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is Contact at theconfessionalspodcast.com.

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studio to talk about the alien interrogation video and what he's uncovered. He has made a documentary about this and has featured our first interview in that documentary. And he talks about all the new information he uncovered, including the name of Victor, the leaker of that film. He has uncovered so much information. We talk about the government involvement in the UFO disclosure, the potential intelligence manipulations, and the complex web surrounding whistleblowers, leak documents, and insider stories.

Let's get to John right now. John Stewart, back in studio. How are you, sir? The prodigal son has returned. A year later, I'm still alive. The government didn't destroy me fully. And I'm here back what I think solving the alien interview to many people's satisfaction. And it's been an incredible journey that, you know, a year ago I was on your show, still in the weed, still trying to figure it all out.

That's wild. And I'm happy to be back and thanks for having it. You're saying that the government hasn't taken you out yet. And I'm thinking, I bet you took your licks and wounds, you know? Oh, yeah. I mean, because, I mean, what you're doing is stuff. There's so many people that will jump to want to discredit. And they're going to, you know, try to find everything in the book.

In fact, when I had you out here, I can't remember what happened first if it was you or Ashton Forbes, but I had Ashton Forbes in here right around the time. I think it was like within a week or two. And Ashton has gone through like the ringer with people trying to just. Talked about it yesterday. Yeah. His story, the heat he is taking with his story, has been, makes me feel a little bit less, less,

he's a little more grateful that I haven't gotten that much attached like he has, yeah. I feel like he's very qualified to handle it in the sense of this. Like, nobody's qualified, especially starting out this stuff, because you don't understand the idea of trolls and all that stuff and the amount of attention that's going to come your way. I told him before I flew him down here that I said, when you come on the show, we're going to go all in on it. And I'm telling you right now, you're going to blow up. And I told him, you're going to get contacted by very large platforms

after this goes out. Because I'm not the largest, but I'm a very good launching pad to put yourself out there. And obviously it happened. And I don't think that anybody's totally prepared for that kind of scrutiny. But I think he did really well with keeping a level head on it. in a similar sense with you where it's like, hey, I didn't make the video. I don't care about anything other than facts and the truth. And I think, I think Ashton has started out with, I just want the, I just want the truth to, I believe this is true. Right. And, and he'll defend it. But I don't think that Ashton at the end of the day will, will cry if it's 100% proven not to be true. Right. But some of the arguments towards that whole thing of it being fake,

for an uneducated person on the matter, seem like plausible. And some of it's like, eh, I don't think so. And then on top of it, just my personal perspective plays very much into that being a very real possibility of something happening. Right. And so that said, we're not here to talk about Ashton. I just thought that I'd bring it up because we were around the same time with you. And Ashton and I have communicated many times and we're up. We were on the same path. And yeah, the difference I guess I would say about it is that I am coming six years ago as a amateur investigative journalist investigative reporter. I'm going to look and see what is going on. I think the film is fake. I'm going to go at it that way, which is the correct scientific way to

go at it. You don't go at something. I'm going to prove it's real because I know it's real. I didn't. And I came with hat in hand with, can anyone help me? Yeah. You know, grasping in the dark, people did appreciate that. And still, to this day, six years later, $27,000 of my own money later, the government stealing my emails twice on my phone, being followed, you know, the horrific treatment on the Internet, a counterintelligence agent telling me he thinks the NSA got a court order to do an incursion on my phone.

I mean, you know, I really, really took some tremendous heat and battle scars for a guy that just said, I'm going to just tell you what happened to me. I'm going to tell you what I saw, what I witnessed, what I was told. You do with it as you want. Yeah. So that's the difference. So you brought up the email stolen. being followed. And it's like, okay, if your emails are stolen and you're being followed,

that's not for nothing. You know, like, like, like, that is why I come here because that itself should be, it's not the evidence, but it's some kind of evidence that pushes towards the idea that this is some kind of legitimate thing. Whether it's a hundred percent alien or there's something else going, like, what if that video is not a real, alien, but they were setting up an experiment to do a sci-op on mass humanity. Like there's so many angles with it that they could be invested in to say, I don't want this out right now. This is John Stewart guy.

We got to keep an eye on him. Right. You know what I mean? I ask people this. And I am so glad that this is my narrative. Forget everything I've said, everything you've seen, all of my emails, forget everything. I can tell you for a fact via the Apple,

Forensic Audit Department that my emails were stolen twice on my iPhone off of four different email platforms. Two AOL, Gmail, and ICloud. They stole them off of ICloud where I had Apple, the forensic audit department going, the guy was telling the lady, Arsh, still remember her name. Tell Mr. Stewart, I don't have any answer how this happened. I go to a Russian hacker. I call him my Russian hacker in Chicago. He said there's only two people that can steal emails off your phone. Two G's. God?

And you know the other one. I'm like, who's the other one? He goes, the government. And then an Intel leaker writes me an email. I think your phone had a counterintelligence program called Stingray Centipede. And it had to get a court order. It's not like you did anything wrong. It's for counterintelligence.

They just want to know, what do you know? What are you holding back, you know? as your Trump card. And what have you been told? Who is telling you this information? They told you that. This was in the email. And then I had a...

And then who's the day? Well, the NSA, we think. Well, they are counterintelligence agent. Hearing my plea and cry on podcast that my emails have been stolen, wrote me and said, I think I know what's going on. This is the program. This is what it's for.

And they had to get a court order. A CIA. retired CIA officer in linguist and the CIA who owns a microbrewery. I know it sounds like a startup barge. She comes up to me at the end because I confronted her and her husband at a microbrewery. Excuse me. And she goes, look, it's not the DIA. It's not the Pentagon doing this to your phone.

It's the NSA. And she looked at me. She goes, listen to what I'm telling you. She said, because no one can go into your phone unless it's, you know, the government. Yeah. Or the Israeli. And then I had Jason Sands and I formed a group. Wow.

I'm going to say this again. Jason Sands and I are part of a intelligence little informal little group on Signal Lab. He's going to be on the show soon. I know. Yeah. I love Jason Sands. And one of the men on that chat said, and I'm going to get to my point here, said, John, what you described is too sloppy.

It doesn't seem the United States government. we think, I think it's a foreign government. Hey, this is this bald crazy guy on podcasts. Let's see if he's got any information that we could use for counterintelligence or for intelligence to see if he found something with the United States government extraterrestrial program that we may need. And that might be plausible too. Wow.

I am only saying this to your people. Forget everything else. What is it that I said? What is it that I'm talking to? about what is it that I'm researching that has set off absolute alarm bells in the corridors of the intelligence community in Washington? Globally. Because it's not, or globally.

So, and that's it. And when you sit and you're driving your car, I'm talking to you, your viewers, and you're driving your car and say, oh, that was a pretty interesting podcast. Tony had on with John Stewart. Why are they stealing his fun? I mean, what, what did this guy trip over? What did he say in one of his 50 podcasts that triggered someone? That's all I'm asking.

Yeah. And some people are driving their cars saying, I don't believe. And the government would never do that. Yeah. I don't think there's a whole lot of people like that anymore. Go on PBS. And I think it's the Zodiac program.

Okay. It's a two-part series about an Israeli program where they can go into somebody's phone. You don't even need to click on a link to let them in. They can just go in with your phone number. PBS, two-part special. It'll blow your mind. So there is a, I forget what it's called now.

I want to say the unplugged phone or something like that. I think Sean Ryan is a proponent of them, or maybe he's even a sponsor by him, but I know he gives this unhackable phone to his guests on the show. Well, that's funny. Is Sean Ryan the one that emailed me about my phone being hacked? Because it wasn't anonymous email.

So you're scaring the crap out of me right now. Hold on a second. Go ahead. Finish your thing. No, I need to hear what you're talking about. That email that we, you know, You know, we, not me, we think your phone is being hacked by Stingray Centipede. And in the email, it says, there's one phone that's not trackable or traceable.

It's a Nokia type phone. Nokia, I think exactly what it wasn't the thing. So you're scaring the hell out of me right now that Sean Ryan could have been the guy that sent me that email. No, I don't, I don't think so. I was given instructions of what kind of phone to buy. So I've never heard of talking about that. I think this is a new, this is a new phone. Yeah.

And, because I know he gave it to my, my, my, uh, Congressman. Cairocia. Is that, is that a phone? Cairocia with a K, I believe. I'm not sure. Jack, Jack will look it up. Um, but this new phone, like I've looked at it. I think you can get it for like 900 bucks or something.

Yeah. And it's a smartphone. Yeah. But you, it has all these like kill switches on it that it's like untraceable. And, uh, I was like, that sounds. especially with some of the people I'm talking to. Like there's another person that I'm working on coming. Actually, they're coming in next week.

They're a whistleblower. And she's coming in with her husband to talk about some things that she has seen within the military. And it's like that conversation real quick went from X to signal. You know, but signal is not the most secure either. But if I could have like a phone that I'm like, listen, I have this secure phone. It's encrypted. It's unhackable. But anyways.

You know, I can. a senatorial aid. And I, from a Midwestern politician, I said, well, you know, I'll communicate with you on like signal or what's a and what's saying. He was just email me. They can hack anything. Are you kidding me? Must be a new congressman.

I'm like, I'm like, he's probably right. Yeah. You know, they hacked Tucker Carlson. Wasn't it his WhatsApp and found out he was talking to the Kremlin? Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. Yeah. I mean, it's nothing's safe. right? No, it's not. Nothing's safe. They want it. They can get it. Yeah. But anyway, so let's jump into some things here because I... You've exhausted me all right. I know. I mean, this is why, like, when I, when you said, I want to come back down, I'm like, yeah, because I can easily do 30 minutes to just talking with you where we don't even hit the topic yet, you know? But we have several things I want to talk to you about today. But I want to do a recap of what you were here for the first time and some of the added information because, like, you got Victor's name and other names. So, um, the... if we could recap it, because I know the first time we had you on, I think there was like a three hour interview.

So like, we don't need to do three hours of break up. No, we don't. I can get it very quickly. Jack can put up on the screen what episode you were on and stuff initially. But it's been like, I think it's actually been more than a year. Has it been more than a year? Yeah, because I think it was October 23 is when we released that, I think. Yeah.

Now you're really scaring me. I'm telling you. That means that flew by in a heartbeat. Fast. I was here. Okay. It's because. The same guy's working at the Lequinta.

He's like, oh, hi. I remember you. And I'm like, hey, I remember you too. Things around here in East Tennessee don't change much. Yeah, I guess. Wow, that's, that's unbelievable. So, I mean, we kind of hit on the video and things like that. If you can kind of recap the whole story.

So it's so great. My documentary is out now. Yeah, tell me about it. Available on Hunting Victor.com, the pay-per-view link. It's $8. It's a cup of coffee. Awesome. Huntingvictor.com, that's where you can go see the pay-per-view.

And it's great because now I can now communicate with you about all the names and stuff. So if you can remember, I went on Jeff Wrenz Show begging in 21 for any help. I get contacted by my main whistleblower, who's still my main whistleblower. He's still alive in his late 70s now. I describe him as a philanthropist and a prominent citizen of a metropolitan city who was on the board of directors of an institution. That's as far as I will go. Bill Gates. And he heard me.

He must have knew somebody in the D.I. because the DIA, we have found out and kind of proven through historical congressional record is it took over the project Blue Book from the Air Force in 62, 63. Kennedy and Goldwater started it. He had a, and allegedly the DIA runs the extraterrestrial program, the buildings and whatnot. And a Department of Navy, Atomic Energy, Department of Energy also runs what goes. on in the guts of these programs, too. That's important to know. So after nine months of wadaying me, that's a legal term for, let me feel this guy out. On my birthday, coincidentally, which I think was interesting. On my birthday, I get the horse's mouth. He sends me an email

that was sent to him by someone either in the DIA or someone who knew someone in the DIA that re-transcribed. I hope I'm not muddling this. Who retranscribes. a report, a memo, an investigative memo about the theft of this film. So if it's a hoax, why is there two 70-something-year-old men hoaxing me about this? Because I found out who the other guy was, who was the main guy that sent this memo. And that, you know, I will never reveal that. In this memo, it is, my hand was shaking. I was in a McDonald's parking lot.

I pulled over. I'm like, I don't believe, because I started seeing men's. names on it. It was an internal investigation memo from the DIA about this film theft, but it was called an unauthorized viewing. Were you and I, if we were hoaxed and that would have been, oh, the theft of the alien film. No. It was very military, very governmental wording, unauthorized viewing. On the memo, it said, and I will send this to Jack, if I, if I haven't already, send this to Jack. It had the time and the date that this video took place, April 22nd, 315 and the afternoon, 1991. They called the bean was a, what they didn't even have a designation for.

They called it the other gray. You know, you have the little grays, the pointed-eyed grays. They designated this is like, yeah, it's one of the other grays. It was a haploid, which I found out was a biological being that only has one sexual chromosome. Human beings are diploids. I thought that was interesting to put that in the report, because why would you, what bearing does that have if you're hoaxing me? And then it said, here are. are the men, and this is what people need to understand because what somebody else told me a year ago is mind boggling. And here are the men who were in the viewing gallery witnessing this interrogation. So, okay, so, this is not, this is not the first man on the list that Jack will

show the audience. Start off with Dr. Craig McPherson scientist with a question mark. So can I, help me with this. I believe the guy that got this from the DIA or who was in the DIA, very courageously leaking this, saw, oh, one of the men of the rooms was Dr. Craig McPherson, but he didn't know, was he a scientist, medical doctor, you know, was he a physicist? So in parentheses was scientist, question mark, like telling his friend who told, you know, my leaker, like, there's this name. I don't know what kind of doctor he is, which I was like, who would do that?

Yeah. You know, as a hoax. It's a hoax. Yeah. When you're casting like unsurety on it on that name. So I Google Craig McPherson. I see this cardiologist. You're going to laugh your ass off because you know me for a long time, a year.

And my personality. More than a year. More than a year. More than a year. from Connecticut with his white doctor lab coat on. He's bald and he's a cardiologist, pulmonologist. Remember, the bean was coffee. And I'm like, oh, my God. So I call his office. I'm trying to get an appointment to fly there to go to his examination room to go, I know you were in the room. So they're wadding me at the office. They're like, why are you from

Illinois and you want to come to Connecticut? I'm like, I heard he's a great pulmonologist. She's like, well, what's your issue? I'm like, uh, I've got a weird call. And she's like, well, you need to go see your medical doctor, get a recommendation. And they were, his office was kind of, I kind of stalked them a little bit. They were like, okay, we, you know, the Chicago guy, we told you what to do. I get an email, Mr. Stewart. I don't think you have the right Craig McPherson. Because I talked about him.

The name leaked out on the Richard Dolan show. And do you know that Linda Moll, he writes, you know that Linda Moulton Howell interviewed in 1995? Area 51 scientist named Dr. Craig McPherson. Boom. Boom. Let's go. I'm like, so back to the internet and I'm searching it. Finally, I find this red print three page, Lyndon Ball and Howl interview, Dr. Craig McPherson,

he admits he's at Area 51. I mean, this is a document that no one could. Got him. Nobody could. And I'm like, oh, fuck. Yes. At least he's real. Whether somebody could have grabbed him off the internet.

internet. Okay. And I hope you appreciate that. That's fine. Okay. Got him. And I'm reading, reading. He's like, I never had contact with aliens, but yes, I did have contact with the reverse propulsion. Like, holy shit. The next name, the next name is Rear Admiral Ned Schaefer. I go to Google. There he is with his military class A dress uniform. It's like peeking into your mom or dad's upper dresser drawer. You're like, you know, what's in here?

Yeah. It's weird. It was weird, Tony. Seeing names to this, whether they were hoaxed or not. It was, it was,

my hand was shaking. And I read, he's in military intelligence. He was the head of intelligence for the joint chiefs of staff reporting to Colin Powell. Now, isn't that interesting?

Very. Okay. Remember that. Reporting to Colin Powell, the liaison. So he would have been with Colin Powell in intelligence.

briefings with George H. Bush, handing colon documents and whatnot. That's what a liaison does, because you need to remember that, that they were in the overall office. I found out he's dead. His wife lives in Palm Coast Florida. I mean, I'm like, this is, and again, no one, this guy is nowhere in euphology. And I'll tell you what Linda Moulton House said about that. Now, Captain William, Captain Lowell Jacoby, go to the internet. He comes up, class A dresser, uniform, very distinguished, retired as a rear admiral, former DIA director. Former DIA director. And I'm like, I call my one investigator, Chris Jackson. I'm like this, it's a hoax, dude. Dude, it's a hoax. He's like, why? I'm like, well, it's captain on this internal investigation memo.

He's a rear admiral, a retired or rear admiral. He goes, are you stupid? And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, if that memo is true about a 1991 interview, that might have been his rank in 91. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm so stupid. I go back. I found out he was promoted a captain of Pacific Command fleet. I mean, all the, in 89. Yes, he was a captain in 1991.

I get his email. Are you ready for this, folks? I get his email. I email him. And we emails me back. please don't call me Rear Admiral. Call me Jake. I don't wear the uniform anymore.

Wow. You know, blah, blah. I think I ask him about how this fried chicken in Virginia is because that's where he lives. We're, we're internet buddies now. And he finally goes, well, you said you were a documentarian, which I wasn't at the time. What do you want to talk about? It's striving to be a documentarian. What do you want to talk about?

I am at my computer ready to send. You have to understand something, ladies and gentlemen. gentlemen. I am about to send a former DIA director a stolen to some visually stuff, visual, visual theft retranscribed document of a DIA document. Yeah. And his name's on it about looking, watching an alien interview. And I'm like this ready to press send. I'm like, I'm like, you just got, sometimes you just got to say, and I press enter. It's done. It's done. Like, it's done. My, my, there's a black van that's shows up on our door tomorrow morning.

You're in trouble. One day, two days, three days. This guy would email me back every time I emailed him. A week, two weeks, I email him back. Jake? Did you get the memo? You know, remember it was just sent to me. I'm not alleging anything.

He ghosted me. So I talked to a military person. He's like, look, that's really, that should concern you. I said, why? He said, the fact that he didn't call you, write you back, you're crazy, you're nuts. You're being hoax. Don't bother me again. I'm a serious, you know, I'm a serious, you know, Intel consultant.

I don't need this in my, you're this craziness in my retirement. He said, John, when somebody honorable in the military will not talk to you anymore, it's because they don't want to lie to you. So they'll ghost you. He said that to be ghosted in 2022 by somebody in the military who you had this, hey, I'm going to go play golf with this guy. He said, should speak a million words. Yeah.

And that's when, you know, the hairs on my, I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. What is this guy? And Rick Doty, who's, who doesn't know much about this alien film, but knows about the military and intelligence. He's like, I guarantee you, he called the DIA and said, this, I was sent this. We need to at least put this on the board somewhere like something's going on. And there goes your emails.

And there goes your emails. You can, you can, you can extrapolate that. Gets even better. Dr. And everybody on the internet was waiting for this. Dr. Wilford Webb nickname Wilson. U.S.

Army Medical Corps. You know, Google John Stewart, nothing. Like, oh, this is what? Medical doctor. I don't care if you're a medical doctor

for five years, something's got to be on the internet. A human, every human being's got to have something on the internet. Yeah. I Google, Wikipedia, nothing. Now, I have

skip trace software. from the business that I was in. So I... What is that? Skip Trace. We find somebody that owes you money or, you know, the law enforcement uses it or bill collectors, debt collectors. We used it for our car dealership.

And I still have a membership. Put in his legal name. Boom. Died in 2018, 14, Watsonville, California. And I find out his... I found out a woman's name who is his second wife, who is his widow.

Still don't. I haven't proven anything. What do you think I did? I called her up. I got her phone number. She has a short name, so I'll call her Kim. She's like, hello. Tony, I am calling an 80-year-old woman to ask her,

do you think your husband, medical doctor husband, was involved with extraterrusters on the government? You know, that's pretty big balls. I got to, you know, I don't do a lot of backpacking, but that was, and I'm like, oh, they're going to hang up. She's going to call me crazy. Hey, Jack, come on over here and backpacking. back. Okay. She answers the phone. I'm like, Mrs. Wilson, my name is John Stewart.

Documentarian. And what came across my desk, I would like to discuss with you. It's about your late husband. Please don't hang up. I'm just asking you this. This was just sent to me. I don't know what the validity is. Sheik, fine. Very nice lady. I said, um, Ms. I'm going to call her Kim. Kim, do you think there's any chance that Webb, his nickname, could have been involved in a government program that had something to do with extraterrestrials, off-planet beings? Is there any possibility? Hey, look, my right hand to God, I'm going to look, my right hand to God, silence on the phone. And it goes like this. Well, a light bulb was coming on over my head, John. I wanted to take my phone. This is how I checked myself back in a reality. I'm like,

okay, what does that mean? She's like, well, there was a real big bone of contention between Webb and I and our entire marriage. And I'm like, oh, what was that? She's like, well, his secretiveness. Now, can I just jump backwards? Victor in 97 said the medical, when the medical staff comes to tend to the beans, he's coughing. Victor says the medical staff are chosen more for your ability to keep secrets than their medical knowledge. They're almost a dog and a pony show. So in other words, the medical knowledge is secondary to your-

That is correct. That was Victor 30 years prior to this woman. She said, John, I'll give you a story. And at this point, my mouth is like, my chin is down on my lap. She said, we have a lot of friends that were in Vietnam, Korea, World War II. Every time we get together socially,

everyone's got a funny story about boot camp or the food in the trenches or, you know, You know, at a base or something in World War II or a drill instructor, everyone's got funny stories except my husband. And my husband never said anything about any of his time in the Army Medical Corps. No, I never said that to her. I just said he was a doctor. I never said U.S. Army Medical Corps, but that was on that internal investigation.

So she is cooperating an alleged hoax, you know, alleged investigation sent to me. And she said, it always bothered me. And I kept, I would ask Webb for 20 years, we got in horrible fights about it. Why are you not telling me what happened in the Army? What did you witness? What did you see? What was so horrible? She's like, I asked him, just tell me the concept.

Like, did you see somebody die horribly on the battlefield or something? And she said, it was a really, it was a really acrimonious moments in our marriage. And I want to thank you for calling me. and in in um thank you for calling me for giving me the answer to a family secret i i'm like okay i'm like uh kim can i send you the video that i think your husband is in i don't know if he's the medic the doctor on the right of the bean or the left i said it's kind of hard to see but i'm going to blow it up in frame i call her back in 10 minutes she's like i am almost positive that's that's Webb on our left, the beans right.

She's like, that bridge of his nose, his eyes, the mask. As soon as I saw it, I said, that's Webb. She said, John, he looks like a character actor from the 50s who was on the honeymooners. She goes, hey, she goes, do you remember? And I'm like, I'm a honeymooners. I know the honeymoon. She's like, there's, when Ralph Cramden finds the suitcase of money on the bus, in the beginning of the, of the, uh, the episode of police officer.

comes to his apartment, Ralph Crammed his apartment, asked for a donation. That, my husband looks just like the point it knows. You could tell you, Sandy blonde hair, kind of angular face. And he was an actor. He was on 1960s, like, Manix or, you know, Barnaby, you know, he was a character actor in Hollywood. I forget his name.

And I go back to the video, I'm like, Jesus, if you put a mask on this guy, it is. He does look like her husband. She goes, you say you live in. Chicago, Chicago, or the Chicago area, my daughter-in-law, and I know I'm taking long with this story, but this is really, she goes, my daughter-in-law lives in the south suburbs of Chicago. I'm going to give you her name. I'm going to give you her number. And if you have any questions, you want to ask her about her stepdad, just, you know, I'll tell her that you might call her.

Like, I was going to get invited to the next family party. So he goes, if anything else, just call me. I don't have the phone. I'm like, what is going on here? I'm getting hoax by senior geriatric senior citizens my leaker his leaker at the d ia in their in their 70s i've got a woman who's in her you know early 80s late 70s what they all conspired to for this story yeah and um and then the um okay so we got uh uh macpherson uh jackobee oh so i'm like wow these names are bearing true now it's colonel robert donovan u.s army intelligence you know, intel, counterintel. I look him up, he's a ghost.

And I don't want to give a few good men reference here, but, you know, what did they say about Markinson who was in counterintel? There is no Markinson. Markinson's gone. This guy is nowhere. And I'm just simply asking if all the other names were searchable and were bona fide people, now all of a sudden the guy that's in Army Intel,

he is nowhere on the internet. But there wasn't Robert Donovan in Colorado. So I call up and finally this old woman answers the phone. She's like, no, my Robert Donovan was in the U.S. Air Force and he's retired and he worked for TRW, which is like black. That's like one of the black corporations that work for the government. And I'm like, okay, he goes, but the rise, I'm like, well, thank you. And I'm so sorry for bothering you.

She goes, oh, but the Robert Donovan, you're looking at is on the East Coast. So my military guy goes, stop. We don't need to find Robert Donovan. You don't need to trip. You don't need to poke that hornets nest. You can't. We don't need. I spent $650 in three months looking for Robert Donovan.

So there was a guy, counterintelligence or intelligence. I can't find him and I don't want to find him. And I am not looking for him, whether he's alive or not. But that scared me that I have all these names that are verifiable, except that one. and that he was that he was intelligence. Hey guys, this episode is brought to you by Merkmerch.com. Go ahead and get your Merkel Media apparel at Merkmerch.com. We got some new hoodies up there on the store.

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I Google Carthusian Monk. There is a monastery in Mount Equinox, Vermont, Vermont called the Charterhouse Transformational Monastery. And their order is Carthusian, the Carthusian religious order. I can't go in depth how I research this one of the brothers, but somebody contacted me. Was it a city?

We think. Did you do a city? in a shady way? No, but I don't want to compromise anybody. I guess you're okay. And you're not supposed to call them because they take a ball of silence. But I get another contact. And he says,

I think I have a picture of that monk that was a telepath. And I'm not going to tell you how and who I knew. I get the picture. He looks like a 1980s high school gym teacher with big 80s glasses with the monk outfit on. But he's like in a 60s Catholic gymnasium. door, I'm trying to describe it.

For a year, we negotiate to be able to show his picture on my documentary. We finally, because I feel that this guy does know this person personally,

obviously, and whether he was talking to this brother or not, I can't confirm to anyone. We got them to let us do an artist sketch, and I will send this to Jack, of this monk,

to show him. Now, whether or not he was a telepath at this program, Victor said they hired all kinds of crazy people, types of people to interact with these with these beings. Another person calls me and says, I know this man's name.

And he's like, his name is Brother Joseph. I have his address. Do you want me to write to him? I'm like, yes. So that happened a month ago. So we wrote to Brother Joseph. I'll give Jack, show his picture. Will he talk?

I don't know. Is he still in the, is he still? I know. It's like the DaVinci code. So it really is. It's like the real-life division. And I will finish with this document. I always thought this is a bullshit that Victor stole this.

You don't steal anything from these secret facilities. They weigh you in the nude going in. They weigh you in the nude going out. That's a fact. But it says in the document, this is how this film, and this is when I said, oh, shit, this might be real, because now I know how it leaked, that the cameraman is the hero of this whole thing.

Not Victor, the cameraman. It says once the interrogation interview was ended, the United States Air Force Cameran was escorted by U.S. Air Force policeman to the Groom Lake photo lab. Three days later, why would you put three days later in? It's such random, stupid information that can only be, I think, authentic. Three days later, he made two copies of that film, which is where he put that DNI-27 number on the bottom of the film. And he said, the second copy that he made, he put into a burn bag into a GSA vault, weighted,

and then that was what was smuggled off of Area 51. And I've talked to seven people on Area 51, the perimeter security sometimes was draconian, sometimes it was lax, sometimes they check your briefcase, sometimes they only check your pocket contents. Depends on what security guards there. Exactly what seven people told me. So this is all plausible. and that's how this film was taken off of area 51. It was let out of this facility and then the cameraman snuck it out.

Then it says, we think the mastermind of this all is Joseph Yeager. This is where you're going to crack up. Joseph Yeager, and I'm thinking, we think he is Victor. That's what it says, because this guy knows that I'm trying to research Victor. And we think he is the mastermind, he is Victor, and sold it to a third party, the Rocket Picture Video Company. I'm like, oh my God, Joseph Yeager. Nine months.

I'm embarrassing myself with about seven Joseph Yeager families around the country. I know your dad is Victor. And I'm writing on their family reunion blog walls. Tony, I'm not lying. Oh, my gosh, dude. People are writing me back here. You're nuts. You're crazy.

I call this one family in Philadelphia because the Joseph Yeager, his brother was a Marine. The brother calls me. back. He's like, no, no, don't worry. I respect what you're doing. No, my brother died within like eight months of being in the Marines. He wasn't in a secret program. Good luck. Let us know what the documentary is. You know, but I got, I got, you know, calls. Don't text us anymore. Don't write us anymore. So I get another email because I'm talking about this on the internet. Joseph, can anyone help me? Somebody writes me, when you search him, search CIA. What? So I Google Joseph Yeager,

boom like four documents come up i'll give these to jack where he's in uh he was with the state department in the 50s he's in meetings it's on c a foia docks that declassified he's on like four different uh state department uh so he's a state department employee that then became a dia employee uh disgruntled um we have a picture of him he died in ocean city california people might have heard of them, part of the Serpo story, the exchange of alien versus soldiers, whether that's true or not. He was a very disgruntled government employee who wanted disclosure. And allegedly, according to the DIA, was the man that masterminded, take the film, bring it to us in Las Vegas, and we will, you know, try and sell it to rocket pictures. So that's the, that's the names and

the dates of that whole investigation. Holy crap, dude. And that, and that, that was like the cliff notes. If anybody wants to hear the whole thing, like I said, we recorded for three hours the first time. And we intentionally started out with your background, you know, like, you know, it built the narrative of who you are and then we went into this. So people can check that out. But like, so Yeager. Joseph Yeager, I think he's going to be a very important figure in the history of, in the future history of euphology. But it doesn't on there. So I decided to call the director, email the director of the original Victor documentaries. He made two of them, 97 and 08. His name is Jeff Broadstreet. I paid him for some basic information. He will not reveal

the whole thing. He wants a lot of money. How much is he asking? Was that at 1.15,000. So I said, I'm going to write down four names to, you know, trying to be a good journalist verified Joseph Hager's Victor. He said, no problem. And I'll be totally honest with you. I write the four names. One of them is Joseph. He's like, none of the names on that list are Victor. What? So I'm like, now what? Now what do I do? I get an email from someone. Hey, John, do you know that, or somebody just posted on Reddit, they lightened the silhouetted photo of Victor. You could kind of make out, I'll show this to Jack, what he looks like.

I go on Reddit, type in Victor however I found it. I'm like, holy shit. No upper lip, whether it's a real or fake beard with the goatee in the beard, no upper lip, the dip of the 80s hair on the thing and some kind of weird hairpiece with the sunglasses, he looks like, and I'll give it to Jack, a 1980s southern pro wrestler her name Arne Anderson. So I'm like, well, this is good. And he doesn't look like Joseph Yeager at all,

not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm like, this is good. We've now got a face. So any potential victor suspects we can identify. So now I pay the director. I'm like a little bit more money. Can you give me a first name? He's like, well, he showed me a.

Social Security card that was tattered, not a driver's license. So I'm a little suspect. And it said Stanton, but never call him Stan. Don't ever make that mistake. And I'm like, oh, his name is Stan. Thank you. I thought that was code. Okay. Stan and Arne Anderson. You know the beard. Victor looked like a, if I put a truck driver hat on, like he was on an ESPN telecast in 1981 and the Pepsi 500 is a stock car driver. I mean, I make that funny assumption. So, I'll jump forward. Okay. Because, you know, it's 3 o'clock in the morning and YouTube is running and playing.

And I'm groggy and I'm, I look up and it's a 1980s documentary, you know, the bad VHS documentary playing on YouTube. And this guy is opening a motel room door to let in Stanton Friedman and Bill Moore, a famous euphologist. They closed the door. He's going to interview them. He turns around. It's Arne Anderson in the three-piece suit, the glasses, the beard. I'll give this to Jack. I wake up my wife, I'm like, holy shit. It's Victor. It's Victor. I'm like, who is this guy? So I'm trying to get the remote control to go to the end to see who is, you know, to see the interviewer host is. And I see at the end, narrator host, and the, and I will go over all the other points of, the man that I have been looking for for 30 years

that I will go over for the next five minutes why I think he's Victor on top of being almost an identical match to the documentary photo is the 1970s, 80s, 90s, euphologist, Stan Dale. That who Victor is. And I will show Jack the side by side. It is like, my wife's like, you're kidding me, right? Like, this is so obvious. With the hair dip, with the bad striped tie with the suit.

Okay. My hands are shaking. I go up to my computer. He's got a website. He's still alive. I've heard of this guy before. I just never thought, stand from the 70s. So in an O-A documentary, he talks about the end of the world, religion, the world coming to an end, the earth being bathed by Sun, cosmic race.

He is hammering this in his O.A. documentary and he's saying that he's dying in the O8 documentary. But he says, when I die, my lawyer will tell the world who I am. So remember, cosmic rays bathing the earth, estatology, end of the world. I go on Stan Dale's website. On the right are like five pixel stories. Adam and Eve and the end of the world. What is going to happen when X solar flares bathe the earth and cosmic rays? The end of the world. The end, the Bible says that. I'm like, it was almost like to me, like, if you can find me and you get my website, this is my calling card. I told you about this in 08, the end of the world being caused by the sun, all about religion, the Mayan calendar, all of that is on his website. So what do you

think I did? I called him. So he answers the phone. And I'm like, you know, Stan, this is Mr. Stewart. I'm a documentarian. I found you. He's like, you found what? I'm like, I found you. I know your Victor. He's like, who's victim? I'm like, Mr. Dale, please. Now, he doesn't know that no one, that someone lightened his photo. To him, no one has ever known who that picture, who the guy looks like that went before

the camera, because that's what we, that's who I want to find. So I said, I want to show you your picture aside, a Victor for all that little documentary with the alien interview. Yes, from years ago. I'm familiar with it. I sent him the picture, side by side. Victor and Stan. Are you on the phone with him when he said it?

Yes, I am. And he's like, hold on, hold on. And he goes, quote, by golly, it's my doppelganger. He's like, it looks just like me. And he goes, he's even got the dip of his hair on his forehead. I said, yeah, he's got the same set of striped ties that you wear in all your documentaries. I said, you owned a brown, a three-piece brown suit? Yes, I did.

I said, Mr. Dale, you even fold your hands at the wrist in your documentaries that Victor did in his documentary. I said, Victor in 08 talked about the sun causing ending the world. There's the sun ending the world on your website. You were in, you said yourself, you're a self-taught physicist that Edward Teller, the man that got Bob Lazare and S4, you say that he got you into S4 and into reverse propulsion. You were on the lamb with the U.S. government in Australia because you wanted disclosure. You came out in 77 telling people about aliens. You came out in 87 in the documentary about aliens. Now in 97, you come out as Victor and you come back in 08 as Victor again.

I said every 10 years, somehow there's somebody that looks just like you that is coming out with disclosure. And he's like, that's not me. and I just can't tell you that it's me. And I'm like, so I said this. And I have to tell you this very short, brief story. Please. To me, to me, the linchpin is,

before he went to Rocket Pitchers, he went to Fox television and got a pitch meeting to make this VHS tape that he had into a documentary, right? Am I clear on that? So it was his first meeting, Tony, to be able to get a pitch meeting with Fox TV in 96, you're telling me a scientist knew the vernacular in the wording to get past the blocker, you know, the secretary to actually get a meeting.

But Stan did know that because he had a little cable TV show. He produced documentaries. So if it's not Stan Dale, I have to find somebody that looks exactly like Stan Dale that was in the government of Project Aquarius and reverse engineering. engineering who knew about television production, believes in the end of the world by solar radiation, has the first name Stan or Stanton, you know, is still alive. Come on. Isn't it Occam's Razor that it's Stan Dale? And when you see the pictures, it's, it's remarkable. But forget

even the picture is identical. The sun, the Fox TV, the end of the world, the estatology, I believe 1,000 percent. We got my, we got our man. for 30 years. Jeez, man. And so he's still holding to, it's not him. Not him. And we're friends now. Because I'm trying, like I told you, to move the UFO community in a statesman

direction, cordiality. We can disagree and still be cordial to each other. We have appeared on radio shows together and cordial with them. And I even pledged to him. I said, Mr. Deo, I'll keep looking. But if you can tell me how I'm going to find a scientist that was allowed down into S4 in reverse propulsion or reverse engineering that knows about video production that believes in the solar flares causing the end of the world who looks exactly like you that had a striped

ties in brown suits and fold his hands of the wrist I'll bring him forward you know he already did right and he said he said publicly now hearing John's entire investigation about me I totally understand why he thinks it's me he said that publicly wow Wow. And so do you think, do you think that when, when he, because how old is he now? He's got to be 80. 80. Okay. So when he passes, do you think there will be information that comes out then? Do you think he passes and there's no information, then I don't have my man. So I just find it funny. And I asked the director. Because he did say, he did say that when he passes. Right. I asked the director. I said, do you think he was dying in 08 and the director went? No. I think a lot of those coughs were just, you know, for he. But, then somebody else told me that's a that's a counterintelligence operation to fake your death tell people you're dying so you won't be hunted anymore because he said he was always on the lamb since he since he came forward with this video and yes he said when i you'll know when i die i have made arrangements with my lawyer to tell the world we've never heard anything in 30 years and stand dale's

still alive so now what does this prove it proves this tell me how a you know, self-taughts physicist, a documentarian has that video. I just don't understand. And I will end this whole thing with this, which is to me is the, you know, is the whole crux. I have proven the DNI, the DNI, Department Naval Intelligence says he exists. A naval aviator told me it exists. Congressman Mark Kirk tacitly told me it exists. We have the DNI because officially it doesn't exist.

What Bob Lazar and Victor talked about, this agency doesn't exist. We have it on a conference intelligence brochure from Canada, and we are told that it is a CIA-type agency buried in the Department of Navy. But the whole crux is this. And I want to know how a screenwriter, producer in 1996, could have figured this out. The number 27. It's on the Ronald Reagan briefing documents on a Linda Moulin-Hall documentary about Ronald Reagan getting briefed about aliens.

I call up Rick Doty. I said, Rick, 27 on the documents. He goes, where's 27? I'm like, it's on the alien film. Rick Doty's like, I didn't even realize it was on the bottom of the film. Rick Doty said that is the security level called Yankee White. Now remember about Admiral Ned Schaefer, the Colin Powell liaison? He said, that means that someone in that room or someone was going to eventually watch this film

that had direct access to the president of the United States. Of course, Ned Schaefer was either going to show this film, talk about this film, to Colin Powell or to George Bush. And that's why the 27 was on. No one in the world had ever heard about 27 being Yankee White. And that's the code for the level of this program. Tell me how a producer in 1996 would know that. And I will end with this, that crazy green blip physiological monitor that we talked about on your program.

This is after I made my appearance on your program. There's a green monitor next to the bean that goes up and down a green bizarre blip. Somebody, another internet angel. I mean, the internet's been my co-pilot. You need to take a look at this. It's Whitley Striber talking about that monitor. Willie Schreiber, the community, the man, one of the first people that came forward about

being abducted, wrote the bestseller book Communion. That's Whitley Striber. He's in a conference. This is on YouTube. You see this video here, and it's playing the alien interview. You see that green blip? I think this video is real. And I'm going to tell you why.

This is Whitley Shriver. When I was writing the book Communion, in the corner of my eye on my desk, was that exact up and, up and, yes, up and down green blip. I try to put my hand over it. It wouldn't go away. My thumb over it. I could not get it off the corner of my eye. I think it was the way extraterresters were trying to communicate with me while I was

writing that book. And I want to know something. I have never told anybody about that until today. today. It was like 2017. So how did the producer in 96 know to put that green blip that that may be a way for extraterrestrials to communicate? I mean, how? So that's why I say there's two, there's two answers here. 95% this is, we are looking at a very casual extraterrestrial interrogation filmed by the government, or we are looking at what you said. And I, and I don't, don't discount that, that there's a 5% chance. that this was a government sciop.

Let's see how the public reacts. They're laughing at the alien autopsy, which came out a year prior. Let's really give them the goods and see how they react. Let's recreate an extraterrestrial interview. Give it to this Stan Dale who had contacts with the government

and let him release it. It's one of those two. But I don't know how a Hollywood producer knew about 27 and the green blip. To me, that's it. That's the bombshell. the alien. Yeah.

Forget him. Forget the alien. The subject, forget about him. No, it's true, though. I mean, because it's the, the treasurer is actually discovering the conspiracy more than anything. Correct. But, no, I totally understand what you're saying. And as far as, like, the idea of a sci-op and stuff, you know, I think anybody can understand that angle of it.

But what the information that you have presented, I mean, it's like, I mean, if it was a siref and, those roots go real deep, real, real deep. And I showed you before we started recording how it's making its rounds right now on the internet. There's this, and apparently this article that I'm looking at here was published in August of 23. So this was like two months before you even came here. And the first time. And in this picture that I showed you, it's based out of Bolivia. and it's supposed to be some kind of random picture that was taken. And across a river, there is what looks to be, they said a four foot tall. To me, it looks taller than that.

But a four foot tall transparent alien. So it's a four foot tall transparent alien that's spotted across the river. And the thing that caught my eye about it is, one, it's going around the internet. It's my first time seeing it, but it must be old and people are just recirculating it, right? But when I looked at it, yeah, it's transparent. and it's translucent, which really kind of goes through the whole psychology of it with me and how I think that these things are absolutely interdimensional beings. Now, that said, what I see in that picture when I showed you in the face looks very similar

to what's in the video. Yeah. And to me, I look at all this stuff. I sit back as somebody who's never done investigations deep like you have, who hasn't, you know, experienced abductions, who hasn't had all the stuff. the people that I talk to on the show, I don't have your experiences, but I look back at everything. And I'm looking at this from a broader perspective, but also a microscopic at the same time. Because I do have the theological convictions that I bring to the table as well, right?

And my theological convictions are not being brought to the table to discredit these things because, oh, well, this doesn't fit my theology. So it can't be real. Let's say it's all fake. Because my perspectives are this stuff is actually real. but the definition of what these things are is being either intentionally lied about, skewed, or people just aren't connecting dots. And which is very possible because I just had a, it's so funny, I'm talking about this now because last night I was at church and I had a kind of a theological discussion with some people

totally off this stuff, right? But my pastor understood what I was saying, but he also had other perspective on it. and after he shared his perspective, I'm this morning taking a shower, getting ready to come in, and I'm like, I still feel like my theological perspective on this is the most accurate in my mind, right? And so when it comes to this kind of stuff, like my perspective on these things isn't gospel, and there's people that agree with me who will disagree with me, you know, if that makes sense. And so I find it interesting how there's all this evidence pointing towards that, film, that video, whether it's things that you've uncovered or things that are just out there

like this article with this picture that point to the idea that there is actually something being interviewed here. Now, what that is, we can discuss. And actually, I don't even know if I asked you this last time. Do you have any sense as to what you feel? I mean, obviously, like, you can say whatever you want as far as how you feel about the topic. But do you, I mean, do you think that, because I mean, all right, when I was growing up in the 90s, 80s, it was aliens are, other planets. Now we're seeing this transition into this disclosure where disclosure, and this is something I've been saying to people, especially people who are not like me with my faith, right, where it's like, you know, well, I don't believe that there is a God. But I want to do the whole alien disclosure thing.

These people are soon coming to a point where they're not going to have an option to say, I don't believe in a God, but I'm all about disclosure. Because the people who are giving you disclosure are giving you a level of supernatural disclosure. They're saying that these are non-human intelligence that seem to appear, disappear, they rise out of the ground. They literally just come out of the ground. And all this supernatural aspect

that you can no longer say that this is not supernatural unless the disclosure itself is 100% a lie, right? So like all that stuff, I don't know if we've ever been asked you your opinion on the topic because you're doing this investigative stuff. I mean, you have to be interested in a little bit, right? I mean, it's like, you know, I am not saying this because of your background.

I have only spoken the truth with you every time I've talked with you. So take that for what that is. I'm the happiest I have ever been in my entire life. And I can't explain fully to you why this six-year experience has put me so close with my God and creator. and such a attempted follower because we're not perfect of the life teachings of Jesus. I am so spiritually connected in a way that I've never been. Catholic altar boy, Catholic grade school, high school, theological seminary. I attended, attended.

Really? Oh, yeah. Well, I didn't attend the seminary department. I was bathed with Catholic Christian doctrine. And I can't explain why this has propelled me so. to be so spiritual. And there's only one answer for my happiness is I know myself now. Because I've gotten so spiritually connected with God.

And I would only say this is that the Bible, which I think is being proven more as a historical document than ever every single month. Absolutely. The Bible says that we're going to get deceived. Well, how are you going to deceive modern humans? You're going to do it by being better than us. doing things better than us like the beings can do, you know, transporting themselves light years in a matter of days or seconds, performing all of these alleged miracles, like you said,

disappearing, walking through walls, being able to, you know, take human beings, float them up into a craft. That's the deception, in my opinion. And I told you off camera that there are, there's a segment of the Pentagon, a Jesuit segment that believes that, you know, that they should step aside and let, you know, that this is ushering the Armageddon,

that the deceiver are these beings. I don't know if that's true or not, but it certainly makes sense to me. And the Bible says Satan will come and return with miracles and signs in the sky, and Satan will appear as a being of light. Certainly sounds like the phenomenon to me. So you're saying within the Pentagon, they're stepping aside, letting this roll out because they're trying to usher in the end of days. And they, what's their perspective on this? The old guard at the Pentagon believed and believes that these are demonic beings.

They fall in line with the biblical teachings. Okay. So if that's what they believe and they're stepping aside, they're stepping aside because they want the interaction with demonic beings to help arise the antichrist i believe so correct like to let us like let the biblical let it let it fulfill um yeah as the bible says which i i i don't know what the bible doesn't say what to do what to do when they arrive does it say to i don't know you would know this better than it says it bad to run i don't know i mean listen when when but i've been told by more than

more than a couple of people that this is the belief that these deem these beings are demonic they are exactly what the bible predicted and and they in the the pentagon doesn't want to interfere with them um who's who's told you this military intelligence military intelligence told you more than two of them really specifically jesuit jesuit faction of the pentagon who was in charge or is in charge believes that these... So are we talking about Collins Elite stuff? Pardon? Are we talking about Collins Elite stuff?

Are you familiar? No. Okay, we're not even going to go down that rabbit hole. Yeah. But it sounds like... Take that for what you... You know, for more than a couple of people to tell me that. Huh.

This is interesting. Yeah. This is really interesting because now you're taking me down a psychological perspective. I'm just telling you what I heard. No, yeah. Like, my psychology... I want to be clear. Like the person...

Like, I'm... And Tony, they are following, they are, they have appeared just like the Bible predicted with Satan and the deceivers, miracle workers, light workers. I mean, I don't think anyone out there thinks that that's not, that is a stretch. And what I find, what I find interesting is that those who are doing such things, they're, they're all about peace and love until it comes to Christianity. There's this hostility towards Christianity, which we're getting, I personally have gotten accustomed to over my life. I mean, it's been a growing thing since I'd say the early

2000s. I noticed a shift where it was no longer like if I, if I, because I was, I was in Bible college. I started in 2003. And I noticed that in that time frame, if I went to some certain people and said, I'm in Bible college, it wasn't like, oh, it was an honorable thing. It was like, oh, gosh. And I started noticing that shift, right? And so there, there, there is that, that perspective and, and hostility that I've gotten accustomed to when it comes to my faith. but this is interesting because it seems like everything is accepted except for the Christian theology. Like you can throw out any perspective and it could be at least contemplated on. But when I start talking about how this is direct contradiction to my faith and I have receipts for it,

all of a sudden everyone was piled on. I was telling you, I recently experienced that online. And, you know, I personally don't care. Like ain't nobody changing my mind on this at this point. Like, I'm all in. So I find it interesting because I've heard it. Let me clear the air here. I've heard such things what you just said about the Pentagon.

And I definitely had suspicions that there was some kind of finagling with that. I'd never had anybody tell me that they were told that by intelligence. And that's why I want a clarification. More than a couple. I want to be clear on that. Wow. More than a couple of people in military intelligence has told me. I'm sorry.

military insiders. Yeah. That there is a, again, the commonality phrase word. Yeah. A Jesuit faction in the Pentagon that believes in estatology or believes that it, it, it, the, the march towards the apocalypse and Armageddon should not be interfered with to some degree. Interesting. And at any point.

And it makes me feel very uncomfortable. Oh, of course, yeah. And that's why you can tell my body, butch, I'm like, Pentagon, Jesuits, oh my God, black fans showing up, you know. Yeah, hopefully on her drives don't show up. I'm just saying this is, this is the mentality, this is the mindset. So this group within the Pentagon, this older group, right?

Do you have? Very important to, that you'm glad you said that. This is the old guard, they call it. Yeah, right. So, because this goes in with my next question, is the old guard. still holding any kind of power and sway within the Pentagon? Well, they're losing that power.

The new, what the, one of the things we wrote down to possibly talk about, like with the drones and stuff, I've had people tell me that the drone situation, some of them are non-human intelligence because of the way they can morph into different shapes. They can disappear. The hypersonic speed of them all, whether that's whatever you want to believe on that. But that the new guard in the Pentagon was specifically told that the new guard in the Pentagon is actively searching for where this non-human intelligence could be present on our planet. And that has triggered these aliens allegedly to start a more aggressive posture with mankind.

Let's go. Sounds fun. And you have to understand one thing. One thing I can definitely say is that, look, I don't know what's going on here. I know people can appreciate, I don't know. But I do know most of the interactions are very clinical. I've been, you know, how many times we've told they don't, the beings don't care about us were like farm animals to them.

But then you hear really nice interactions that are almost spiritual in nature of we want to help humanity. I think that they don't want to interfere with humanity, but they're not going to let us blow ourselves up. That is my opinion. And I do believe that what the Bible talked about is what we are currently. experiencing and if I may uh genesis six and you know god created uh the world and he looked at the sons of man and they rejoiced who are the sons of man if god was by himself who was he rejoicing with were these angelic beings that were already sitting with god so to speak

and it says that then the nephelium came down from earth and they made it with the women of birth and they created this hybrid offspring called the nephilium nephalium so the fallen angels now different people have different interpretations but i'm this is one where i'm fairly certain on the fallen angels uh the ones who who were there at the creation so there is a there was and still is a a group of angels who absolutely hate mankind. I mean, the Bible says we're going to judge angels. And so, like, there's an ego there. And we can go down that rabbit hole some other time.

But they procreated with humans, and their offspring became Nephilim. That's correct. If I misspoke. Yeah, you're fine. But in the root word of Nephalum is Nephile, from the Greek. Nepal, meaning fallen ones. and the early Christian scholars like Tortorlian, Ambrose, the Romanist historian Josephus, for 400 years, these early Christian, can you believe I'm talking like this?

These early Christian fathers believed that the story was fallen angels had made it. And God, Jesus said, in the second coming of my return, it will be like the days of Noah. And I say this, there is only one thing that happened in the days of Noah that has never happened before or since that is a distinct characteristic that is happening only in history as of right now. Wars, pannons, floods, pestilence always happened on this planet. Cataclysmics or cosmic cataclysmics always happened. There's one thing that happened in Noah's time that is happening now, and that is the mating of the angelic race with the human. race. And you see these aliens allegedly from from from from experiences and abductees to all tell us they're trying to create a hybrid race. And that has never happened before in the earth. Only in Noah's

day. So I'm just telling what your interest level. There's your interest level. I mean, why are they interested? Why are they interested? Why are they abducting? What's the, oh, there's nothing special about us. There's a lot special about us. And they're showing great interest. We have souls. Yes. And they're cool. We have. We have. have souls brother. Oh, no, get me started on it. Because I don't know if you've heard about this, but we, wow, I love it. There's several people who are recalling their abduction situations, and they're talking

about when they're being abducted, they are taken to what I believe, what, nope, I'm not ready to talk to share that yet because I'm still studying it. But they're being taken to other realms and other locations. Correct. And there's technology there being used, which is not hard to believe when we're talking about these things popping in and out of our existence. I'm talking to ET popping in out of our existence and they have craft technology. Correct. They have technology that they're sucking the soul out of the people they're abducting and they're regenerating things. And so

there's a whole, it's a whole crazy thing. Even Victor said the beings told the scientist, human beings are just containers for souls. And I think that they're creating and my friend Joel does too, that they're creating biological suits to house souls that they collect. That is a very, very distinct possibility. Could, could. That's a great thesis. Interesting thesis. Could the, could that be what grays are or a chunk of them?

Also, people who are saying that these beings are appearing before them, giving them direction and enlightenment, this new age stuff, and they're saying it's an angel. I'm not saying it's not an angel, but what kind of angel? When you say angel, we're not talking about angels. Not all angels, in fact, no angels, but just to keep it in Hollywood commercialize, not all angels float on clouds, right? So like, when something appears to you and it's saying it's an angel, believe it. But what kind of angel? That's why it's important to test the spirit.

I think it's, I'm going to misquote it. I think it's John. First John. I can't remember, but it talks about testing the spirits because there is trickery. So anyways, we kind of went down This rabbit hole that I wasn't planning on But I want to kind of Well, I find it funny

That People that have been in this program Including Victor all say the same thing The aliens tell us Your soul is real It's energy It never disappears So that is something that is

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And I don't believe Satan is this, you know, pitchforked, hooved, reddish, caped spirit. That's, you know, that's, that's Leonardo da Vinci, you know. I do believe that when we talk about Satan and evil, that there are entities, whatever they are, that don't have our best interest. Yeah, no. that to be is evil. I mean, Satan literally was one of the highest-ranking angels. Exactly.

And somehow he got a glimpse of himself and started thinking good of himself. Yeah. And he started thinking, man, I look good. And that was probably his first sin, pride. And he somehow, and we don't know how. Right. Like, how did he go from being in the presence of God, this overwhelming, like, euphoric existence to being so self-centered.

Can you imagine? I can't. I can't. I constantly question this, how it's even possible, because my little taste of God that I've had here on earth is so overwhelming

that it's changed my life to go in a direction of following him to defend his name. To be in his presence and be able to rebel against that is absolutely insane to me. So I want to backtrack on this because just to clarify,

this idea of the human soul. Now, I've brought this up in my show before, but I try to bring it up this aspect every time I bring up the soul collecting because Christian theology is traditionally, when you say something that, they're like, that's impossible, okay? And it might be impossible.

Maybe the people I've had on the show who say that they've had these experiences, these are implanted memories or whatever. Sure. But it wasn't until I had a friend, friend here, Seth, he does a lot of, which is interesting, like the Anubis aspect we're going to be getting into with Sands because we have ancient documents from thousands of years talking, written in Latin, that are talking about dog-headed people. And this is a phenomenon that

goes back. And historians wrote about it. So there is a whole aspect of that. But But he brought up to me during that conversation, Ezekiel 1318, and it says, and thus say the Lord God, woe to the women that sew pillows to all the arm, to all armholes and make handkerchiefs upon the head or kerchiefs. I don't know what that is. What's a kerchief? Like a head. Okay.

Curchief upon the head, there you go. Of every stature to hunt souls. So, and this is the KJV. I think if I looked it up in the, I think it's the ESV, it talks about, because the interpretation wasn't pillows, but it was, the women were making like wristbands. So like arm pillows sewing, but they were creating something to connect to their arms that they were using for hunting souls. And now I haven't had anybody answer me on this.

because I'm very aware that there are metaphorical things in the Bible. Ezekiel is a book that has a lot of supernatural things that Christians say actually happened. Right. And so if this falls in that category, that right there says that there is alchemical to magical things that humans were doing that were probably talked to them by fallen angels, which is talked about in the book of Enoch, that they were actually hunting for human souls, maybe on the behalf of the fallen. Sure. And so it's like, well, what do you do with that? And it's, it's this kind of stuff that just kind of goes deeper and deeper. But like you said earlier, the more you've done it, the more you've gotten close with God. And it's like, that's how it's been for me where it's like, the more I'm hearing people's experiences and like, and not bringing my theology into, to discredit, but to see how this fits. Because I'm sitting here talking to somebody and I believe what they're telling me. And what they're recalling is what. they believe. Right. So how does that fit with everything else?

And the more I've done that, the more I'm like, oh, it actually does this. Well, it could it be that they're trying to create another race of their lineage, the demonic angelic, demonic alien lineage DNA and human DNA. And they realize that these beings might be soulless and they might need souls. And how to transfer that if that's even possible. I don't know. I do know that they have always sold that, that, you know, I don't know. Our souls are real.

They are energy. They don't disappear. Yeah. And that could lead you in to a million corridors. But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, to, to whistle past the graveyard and fluff it off, that there isn't a demonic presence to all of this, I refuse to do that. And in doing so, I am, I'm, I'm a much happier person. I'm not happy believing in, I'm not happy, you know, discounting.

everything. I'm happy being in my mindset that I don't know what's going on here. I have a feeling that the Bible has foretold of this. It's exactly what the Bible said. And I'm going this way. I'm going this way to the word of my creator and God and what was written about what he said in the Bible that can help me be a better person and go the opposite of this direction. You're starting to see this, so take aliens off the table, take all this supernatural off the table, take everything we talked about off the table, you're starting to see the essence of humanity go in that direction in general. You're starting to see people who never gave credence to a creator all of a sudden being radical about it, like Russell Brand. And, you know,

people say, oh, that's a sci-off. Maybe, maybe. But maybe it's authentic. And at the end of the day, that's between him and his maker. But there's a lot, like even, even, what's the guy's name? What's his name? He laughs like that. Tucker Carlson. I couldn't think of his name for a second. He's the funniest laugh.

Like, I laugh when he laughs. But he talks about, and I've been talking to the director of this documentary briefly. I'd like to get him in the studio here. But Tucker's in a documentary talking about how. he was attacked by a demon and scratched open. And that kind of pushed him into this theological pursuits. And he believes what I was told about the Pentagon. Really?

Well, he said that, yeah. So I've been told this demonic, but I don't want to go any further. Yeah. And so what's funny is that when he was coming out saying that, you know, I've been told things and I can't talk about it because, you know, it's so crazy. I was like, bro, I'm already there. Just confirm it to me. Tell me, you know,

because like, I'm like, I'm, I'm really, maybe I'm the pawn, maybe, probably, but I hear people like him coming out and talking about this stuff like that. And I'm just like, I'm nobody to Tucker. But my lord, could we have a great conversation if I sat down with him? Because I'd be like, I'd pay to you there. Let's just do this, you know? Because it's, he, he, I think people like him, who, who's, he, I think people like him, who, who, he, he, I think people like him, who, who, he, he, he, he, he, I think, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he. He. He. He. I think, he. He. He. I think, he. I think, he. I are being given information are taken back so much by it, they assume the rest of the world is in the same boat. But the reality is there's a lot of people that he's being told information, other people are being told information that it's like, you're being told stuff that's blowing your mind, but there's a lot of people who are already conditioned for that. They're already there. And so I don't think if he came out talking about such things publicly and openly about what he was told, it would blow people's minds. But there's a lot of people who are already ready to hear it and they're prepared to help define it and help people understand. Like myself,

I'm not a theologian. I didn't graduate Bible college. But I have been in this industry for eight years and I'm uniquely qualified to help people understand that aspect of stuff. And I just feel like, anyways, if by chance he's ever sees this. I'd love to talk to him. Yeah, but, um, I want to talk to you about the kind of changing gears from it because you brought this up and I was like, we need to hear more about this. The new information about DARPA scientists emails upcoming about the invasion. Yeah. It's been so weird. I've been emailed a couple of stories, the Lockheed one, which I'd like to talk about after this.

About a year ago, I get an email. I'm a retired scientist. I worked in government projects and alongside DARPA scientists, the defense research. DARPA, the bizarre military arm that creates and implements all these crazy devices and craft and whatnot. Pause for a second, because I'm going to forget to say, I'm going to forget to bring this up to you. You're bringing up DARPA. Have you heard about the basically Minority Report 2.0 that they're rolling out? No. They, they, they're, they're now openly talking about how they're going to use AI to track financial crimes before they happen.

Oh. Isn't that wild? Like, like, like, like, it's like, like, it's like, it's like, if they're doing that with the finances, like, you know they're going to do with everything else. It's only about time until drones are arresting you for things that you haven't technically done yet. Right. Anyways, go ahead. Sorry. You know, in this.

And I'm like, she said, he said that, um, from my years of experience, he has a system on the space shuttle he claims, uh, it is a very sharp master's degree in electrical engineering. He said, I'm writing you because I caught you on a podcast, but that to tell you that from my years of working alongside DARPA, I believe that they are implementing, creating and implementing systems for a defensive

purpose. And a defensive purpose is an invasion of an interstellar extraterrestrial race. well, I catalog it. About two months, three months ago, he writes back, did you read my essay? I'm like, no, he's like, no, you need to read my essay. And he just talks about the aliens, you know, how indifferent they are towards us. You know, they want resources from us, so on and so forth. And I go on the internet on a podcast with this information, because that's my crazy

through the U.S. World. And I get Ashton Forbes to death. And about a month later, a news article pops up. Some, you know, some United States General saying that there, we could be on the verge of an invasion. There's something in interstellar space coming towards this plant. And ever since two months, that's all that's been talked about, including now Jeremy, Jeremy Corball, Jeremy Corbel last week saying there's going to be a fake alien invasion. When he said it, oh, it's gospel. When I said it a year ago, you know, three or five months ago, I was excoriated. And I'm just, you know, and I, and I emailed him.

I said, is this drone thing? You have anything to do with it? He said, no, but you're seeing now. I'm just funny that I talked about something in months later, articles and people start coming forward. so what is happening in this Jeremy Corbell story just was on the news again that somebody said you know Jeremy Corbel said that we're going to the government is going to fake an alias in invasion an FBI Desuzza he's that former FBI agent he went on redacted and said exactly what I said prior to him that there's going to be some sort of alien invasion whether that's real or not so something is going on again are we is this part? of a deception, the deception that was talked about in the Bible. What if it's real, though?

What if it's real? I don't know. Because, again, the two worlds marrying in my mind, like, what if the overall powers that be are working hand in hand with these beings that maybe say they are what I suggest they are, could they then be developing an army essentially to combine? bat what is coming, which is revelation. Right.

Christ's return. Right. Could there be this idea of a rollout of a cosmic battle, a supernatural cosmic battle? That they never talked about in the Bible. No, exactly. It's becoming an historical document. I don't want to see that enough, but. I don't think people, including myself, totally.

totally comprehend how integral human beings are to every agenda that exists. And whether it's the conspiracies to biblical prophecies, we are constantly the center point. And I think that our role in this is far greater and can be far greater than what we realize. And I think there are powers that are in place. there are principalities that are in place that understand how useful we could be, especially the useful idiots that they've been recruiting. Right. And I'll drop it at the useful idiots part.

It's funny that the new guard, you know, that they want to be combative with extraterrestrials. And this started with DARPA two, three years ago. Was that the new guard, you know, saying, no, we're not going to lay down. We're going to, you know, it's just all very bizarre. All I'm saying is that it's funny that I get emailed something a year ago. And then stories start popping up about it. And which brings me to the crazy Jake Barber egg news nation story. Don't get me started.

Yeah. So about a year ago, I get an email from a guy. Michael L. said, I used to work for Lockheed. I worked for another defense contractor. It's this water cooler talk. But the people I've told me this are, you know, are I would, you know, state my reputation on that in the past the government gave Lockheed a crashed non-human intelligence craft.

At some point, Lockheed was able to perfect interstellar travel by using like the brain. Psychics. Psychics with connected directly to the craft. They didn't tell the government about this breakthrough. And they told the government, do you want that old craft back? We can't figure out anything about it. Lockheed is testing this near-perfect interstellar alien reproduction vehicle in northern Nevada. It's a controlled hard landing. Lockheed, this is what I was told. Lockheed sends its strike recovery team. Any aerospace company would have their own recovery team if a test craft goes down. That doesn't sends their own strike recovery

team. As they're descending on the craft, the alien reproduction Lockheed craft, so the story goes. A strike team, recovery team that's been monitoring this craft that was never told about this craft

that thinks it's an alien craft from J-Soc is descending on the craft site as Lockheed mercenaries, strike team. is deciding down the craft. They don't know each other. A firefight breaks out.

Holy crap. And two J-Soc Airmen are murdered. What I was told, this is the first time I'm saying this, what I was told was not only were these two airmen from J-Socs, soldiers, airmen, whatever they turn themselves, that they were actually captured, tortured a little bit by this Lockheed group and then murdered. They were tortured by the Lockheed group? Well, that's, you know, like, do I waterboarding nor, but it was, you know, not treated with the dignity of being an American soldier.

Wow. Because maybe J-Soc didn't have any American paraphernalia on. And the two J-Soc soldiers airmen were of Asian descent. And this happened allegedly in 2004. I go on redacted, and you would have thought that I was murdering puppies. in Times Square. I mean, this guy is, you know, like what, and even Clayton Morris Redacta said,

what, what's the purpose of him coming out of the story? Then he's telling you it's crazy. I'm telling people I don't believe all of it, but that after I was emailed it, that was the second time my emails were stolen. So it triggered me to say, maybe I should just come forward to one podcast. Now,

Oh my God. I take so much sheet for this thing that I actually created this fictitious person, emailed myself the story that I emailed myself back questions, email myself back answers, just crazy troll internet stuff. So now Ross, this helicopter pilot, Jake Barber, does the News Nation interview with Ross Colthardtart. where he said he was on retreat, he's helicopter pilot, pilot for retrieval of extraterrestrial or craft, all different kinds of material. Ross releases the three-hour interview.

He said that he's done this privately for an aerospace company and that one of the times on a retrieval, they felt that they were set up in a firefight ensued. Like, oh my God, he is talking about my share. story. And I know Jake Barber didn't say this to me, because I know I verified this former locking employee that sent me the story. He's on LinkedIn. Wow. Now Jake Barber, this just happened this morning. Now I see the article. Jake Barber wrote a book called Sentinels of Ether, and he gave it to Doppser in the Pentagon's for approval because there were some classified

information in it. And this book talks about the J-Socke-Laf Firefight Story. So Jake Barber, who is now a verified helicopter pilot in craft crash and craft retrieval, is the author of this Sentinels of Ether book, which talks about, which verifies the Lockheed story that I didn't make up that this Michael person wrote me about a year ago that I took so much so much heat for they interviewed jake barbers like superior he said i know we were being set up by this aerospace company to take the fall and there were many multiple murders with these retrievals

that happened that's i mean you know that's wild is there a punchline or a moral to the story no all i'm saying is that this UFO phenomenon narrative story is getting so far down the rabbit hole It's getting weird. To hold on to your, from David Grush, from Lou Elizondo. Now you got a tier one helicopter pilot who shows a retrieval of an egg-shaped, egg-shaped craft saying, I wrote the book, the John Stewart crazy Lockheed story. Yeah. Yeah, that's my story.

And it just, am I muddying the waters? No, I'm trying to, trying to crystallize the UFO phenomenon, water. that there is something going on. The phenomenon is real. There's too many whistleblowers, too many, too much video, too much FOIA documents, too many documents that have released photos, that this is a real phenomenon. What is the genesis and nature of it? We talked about our opinion of it, but it's an open book. And I'm just telling people that these two crazy stories that were emailed to me. Both came to fruition with other people validating them as not so, not so crazy. Wow. So we've got an aerospace company with its own air force,

its own radar, its own military arm. Isn't that a violation of the Constitution? Lying to the government that they created this near perfect alien reproduction vehicle killing allegedly, allegedly, you know, a firefight where two American soldiers are dead. What is going on here? What is going on? I think we're... Is somebody going to step in and just finally say, this is what's going on? So, I'm old enough to have this jaded feeling that, no, I don't feel that way.

I don't feel, I don't, I just don't believe that there's going to be some, there's ever going to be 100% truth. I agree. I mean, we can pursue it, but like, it just doesn't feel that way. Even with, oh, the New Jersey drones. So they came out saying that it was authorized FAA, you know, all that stuff. Which is what I was telling people, look, they've got lights, warning lights, navigation lights, you know. So, so I want to speak to this because I've seen what you just said, I've seen the drone. owns the videos of people saying that they got a crash drone. I've also seen videos of what looks like orbs in the sky. The one that I remember seeing that really was like, wow, that's interesting, is again, the book of V. Ezekiel talks about a wheel within a wheel that what he saw. And the one

orb when you zoomed in, it looked like there was a spinning wheel inside of it, right? So it's like, well. Did you see the orb, the first Tennessee orb that was posted by me? A corporate pilot sent it to me? over Oak Ridge Nuclear I've heard about it I haven't seen And I posted it Okay

And it was the same thing Six different colors Orb within an or Really I came out of your can 40,000 feet So So Crazy

And that's the thing So I'm thinking I don't know if All is going to be Was approved Right But also We don't know

The orbs That were in the sky Doing weird Mneuvers Things that are not FFA We don't know when those videos were shot. We don't know if they, if they, where they were shot when the,

it could be somebody who has a, an orb video that they released at the height of this. Good point. To get more traction. They, they might have released it five years ago, you know what I'm saying? And so like, we don't know if maybe this, this was FFA approved and then everything piled on and people were releasing their own orb, or videos from other locations. Sure. or maybe there really were actual supernatural orb phenomena happening and mixed in with all this quote unquote approved FFA, which why could there not be both? Why could there not be this supernatural aspect to this where there's these orbs and everything and the FFA stuff was approved?

And they're just not, they're omitting certain information. Don't we see historical context? every time there's a new missile test. The Apollo Gemini capsule launches a new flight test. We've seen videos in the past of non-human intelligent craft following the missile, the space capsule, the airplane. There's a dozen videos out there. And I totally agree.

I was contacted. I know another John Stewart email story. But I was contacted about three weeks ago. I got to access your inbox. I know. When you meet people, you're. your email on the internet, which, by the way, is on the TV behind you, John Allen Stewart at AOL.com. You know, you're opening yourself up and I'm glad because it's been interesting.

They called themselves the brothers at arms. They're not from America. And they're claiming that this new guard in the Pentagon, tracking, actively tracking, these entities have spurned on, you know, the drone activity that you're seeing all over the world. that I sent back to him, you know, wait, you're telling me aliens are making drones with FAA collision lights, you know, and I believe in my research that it's a government secret new drone that they're testing. It's triggered, the non-human intelligence, the entities, whatever those may be, and you're seeing a mix of all of that. the drones and the and the other entities finding out what is what's going on you're like that has happened historically in the past with any kind of secret testing yeah so so what are the orbs god only knows yeah i i even said uh i was doing a live broadcast with a friend of mine

pastor larry raglan and i said on that broadcast how uh this really might be a situation where maybe, especially since they're saying it was approved FFA, maybe this was approved FFA and they were rolling out and testing new technology because somebody just had their head almost blown off because there wasn't drones in the air. And so now because he's an incoming president, they're like, okay, we're going to roll out this new technology and this will be the introduction to it. And it's going to become normalized. And we are going to have everywhere that man goes, there's going to be drone defense in the

guy, there's not going to be anybody blinking without us seeing it. Right. And I don't think that's implausible. The fact that we have, who says that's listening to this right now, that's listening to my show right now says, oh, well, we don't even know if they have this technology. Come on. We have this technology. So the fact that we can all commonly agree that there is this technology that they have

access to, why would he, who was already in the White House once before, not say, hey, when I get back in, roll out the drones. Huge, huge. It's going to be huge. And I'm not going to have my head blown off. You know what I mean? Like, why would it? Like, I would.

I would like, hey, guess what? Those drones, those are going in the sky from now on. And this, the government doesn't know anything. I did my own research. I saw news articles from the 70s and the 80s about new aircraft being tested, especially the F-117 Nighthawk, stealth fighter. And in the article, it says the local government is stymied and frustrated that the federal government does not have any answers. Yes, when you're testing secret programs aircraft, you don't tell everyone at the Pentagon.

It's highly compartmentalizing. Most people of the Pentagon aren't going to know about it. The FBI isn't going to know about it. So that's why you see federal government going, I don't know. I don't think there was so much stalling as the fact that they truly did not know they were not briefed. on a new type of my opinion of drone. And I think at the company that they were working with is Archer Corporation, who does have a verifiable government contract for about $142 million when we called them

to ask them if these were their drones. They said no comment. Hmm. Hmm. Well, that's the book then. It's theirs. Tony says it. But no,

I just think that this whole thing, we are, I mean, I don't think our reality is never going to return to what it used to be. We've seen a steady progression. In the last, what, 25 years, you know, the turn of the century, things are just getting weirder and we're weirder. You know, we started, like,

even down to like, like, psychological, philosophical arguments and stuff of, you know, your truth is your truth, my truth is my truth. It's like, whoa, whoa, there is this thing called truth. You know, and it started back in the early 2000s, and it's just been, they've been building on top of things. And they're making your reality weirder and weirder and weirder. And just because they're making it weirder doesn't mean that they aren't giving you truth in that either. Like, they're always always truth mixed in with this lie stuff.

And, but I think it's the, you know, the government that we pay for, area 51 is your base. Yeah. Those drones are your drones. Try walking on to it. You know, this is our government. This is our tax dollars. Yeah. There is so much confusion out there that I am calling for somebody in the government, hopefully President Trump, to come forward. and give us clarity in all of this craziness, all of it. The DARPA, the invasion, the firefights, the drones. I mean, go on and on and on. This is crazy.

You know, the wires have fallen off the battery. The dashboard lights on the government car have gone, oh, hey, wire. And you are our employees. It is time for you to bring clarity. I'm not asking for deep secrets. I don't know how the nuclear bomb was put together. I just want to know that we have one, right? that analogy that somebody gives. I don't want your secrets. I don't want the secrets of

a stealth activity, but I want clarity and to know what's going on because this is totally gone off the deep end. I agree. John Stewart. Tony Merkel. I appreciate you coming back down. I appreciate you having me. This is a great conversation. And again, let people know where they can get a hold of you. Yeah, you get a hold of me. John Allen Stewart's right behind me at AOL. I'm great about answering emails. You can get the whole story about the Victor search and the search for the truth for the alien interview at my website, hunting victor.com. The pay-per-view link is there. It's $8. What we lack in Netflix grandiosity in my documentary, we have so much data, pictures, photos. We reveal a CIA agent who was with Russian propaganda that was also

spoke about this alien of ours and that alien interview. I just really, for the first time in a documentary about this subject matter, I am bringing the money shot, the data. You're not going to leave this documentary going, I wish he would have told. No, I lay it all on the line about the government's Project Aquarius, which was the alien retention and interrogation program from around 79 to 9. I bring it all to the American public with names, bios, photos, dates, foias, code names. It's all in there.

And the last three minutes is very touching. It's my, you know, I talk about writing a letter to Senator Schumer. And I'm done with this investigation. Here it is. Maybe Congress and the Senate can adopt it and do what they will with it. and maybe maybe take it further and go farther where I have stumbled, where I've lacked the money and the energy anymore, maybe Congress can pick it up and bring this to a hearing and say,

look, this guy has given us the investigation and interrogate somebody they think would have knowledge of that and bring it to the public. So what you just said, I got to ask before we get out of here, what's next then? If you're done with the investigation, I mean, you have the email and people are sending you crazy stuff in the emails. I mean, is there something that you're chomping on to start digging into? You know, I obviously definitely want to write the book. Yeah. I mean, this is, if this isn't a number one nonfiction, true story thriller, I don't know what is. You know, middle-aged grandfather from

middle America gets stalked by the government. Yeah. Remember, I fought Hollywood. I fought the UFO world. I fought the government. You know, I, this just wasn't me, you know, searching for this, truth of this video. So I think the book is where I can detail it all. And I think that start writing the book and get that published and maybe see if we can put this all in a more collated eight-part linear docu-series on Netflix with the budget to recreate the alien, to see if we can match it, to go do live interviews with people in different areas of the country, do a more high-tech analysis than I did of that video with modern 2025 technology. Maybe we could get some more startling interest and spend time with my lovely wife. You know, this woman went from marrying

a pro wrestler. Then he was running for Congress, working 60 hours a week in the car business, Alien Hunter, you know. Did you run for governor too? I ran for governor. You know, I think my wife deserves her husband back. And my wife has been an angel through all this. She got to cut this investigation of it said, this is crazy. You're spending too much money. You're jeopardizing our safety. And she never did. And to my wife, Joanne, she's just been wonderful. And I, you know, it's time I spend more quality time with her than I have in the past 25 years. So that's on my agenda, too. Jack, cue the sunset. It's the sunset video footage. Me and Joanne, I'm a robo with the alien, sitting in the back of the robo. Bye, John.

Bye, bye, bye. I appreciate being here, man. Thank you for having me. Awesome. All right. That was good. I really enjoyed it. Sometimes I feel alone when I'm looking at myself. Because I look down the row full of all by those broken nails.

So I just try to co. Swirming off the road. I used to do it for the roses adulation. So they noticed used to say they weren't my focus lying Jones and for the Jones's things. I know that everything that's going on can start to overwhelm. Like the war on terror is just a war within ourselves. Are you woke or are you weight? Genuine.

Are you fake? I'm feeling like I'm sent by UPS with all the tape These boxes are all made by delusions that we chase But I'm just staying based Snakes are slither and they keep it snake She coming with the cake but how it's baked Is important but so is what you bring Because being real ain't acting like a king

I feel I'm spinning round and about to crash Can I saw the ride this pressure mine By the look at leashes on the collars of these people follow monsters Like a magua in the water than they multiply. It's easy to get bitter. I'd rather dulcify. I'd rather justify. Anything by selling me. Leave me alone with the mic like a spelling bee. My face, but you disagree. I ain't had to change your mind. I'm just hoping that you'll listen. I'm just hooping that a little bit of what I'm saying. We'll make you take a second and see that

everything ain't adding up. I know it's hard. I know it's hard. I feel I'm spinning round and about to Crash Can't round a circle