The Confessionals - 738: Warfare In The Second Heaven

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

In episode 738: Warfare In The Second Heaven, Caleb steps forward to share his story—a life spent straddling two realities. From childhood encounters with shadow figures to direct confrontations with dark entities, he has been thrust into spiritual warfare that most never see. After nearly ending his own life, he made a desperate plea to God: If you're real, you have to show me. What followed was a transformation that led him into the depths of the supernatural. He describes being pulled into the second heaven, where time moves erratically, the ground breathes, and unseen forces wage war. He has faced the Hat Man, battled the stag-headed god Cernunnos, and stood against forces that feed on fear and chaos.But why him? And why are the occult obsessed with accessing this realm? If the second heaven is a battleground between light and darkness, how much of our world is shaped by what happens there?Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsUNCOMMON GOODS: uncommongoods.com/tonyGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - SpinningYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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This was all circulating. around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear. In one hand, he's. He's running really fast and spears, Dan, it holds them up like this. Somebody else. Shoot them in the face. Shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated.

Feel something and I look over and there are two small. We're getting pulled off the best. Push and couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody listening to the Confessionals podcast. I'm your host Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. That's contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section, and you can reach me that way as well. Although it works for me, just get a hold of me.

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own profile page, make your own post, private chats, DMs. It's a social media app. And it's available to the members to the Confessionalspodcast.com. If you want access to that, consider becoming a member to the confessionalspodcast.com slash join. Now, today we have Caleb on the show. He came in from Colorado to sit in studio with me. He heard episode 692, The Dark Shift, and he has a very similar story, but from a different perspective because he believes that his experiences were brought on by God, and he's operating in his life that way. I felt like this was a great conversation. We went extra long. This is an overtime conversation. So members, when you're done listening to this, consider checking out the overtime segment as well. So let's get to Caleb right now.

Well, it's working now. Hopefully he stays working. It was Gremlin's man. You brought them with you. I am, yeah, it's a, they follow me a little bit. Yeah. There's a lot of, so everybody has like a type of electromagnetic field they put out, right? And it seems like when I do things like this,

technology has a hard time working. Like there's a lot of interference. Like anything from a phone call to TV doesn't work. Like, you know, I've had an immense amount of difficulty with things that are electronic. Like, I have to keep things as simple as possible because I don't like to rely on technology because it fails when it shouldn't around me. you know, it's a very interesting, I don't know, phenomenon, but it seems like the further I go in my life,

the more disruptive it is around technology for me. So it can be interesting. We kind of had that experience on our first recording. Yep. I mean, first of all, welcome from Colorado, you know. So warmer here, man. Yeah, definitely from Colorado for sure. You guys got those mountains out there that are, you know, probably nice and chilly right now.

You guys have snow and all. I have three feet of snow already. Are you serious? Oh, yeah. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Yeah, no snow here yet. Hopefully we keep it that way.

I'm still waiting on my first winter in the south with no snow. The first two winters, we had snow and I didn't like it. So anyways, welcome. And the reason why you're even here in person, is because we tried doing this remotely and there were issues. I think we only got through like half the, like a half an hour of recording before I was like, you know what? This isn't working. Like 20 minutes or something.

What was the issue? Do you remember? Your camera went out and then the call dropped and the app, the, you know, the, whichever one it is that you used to record. It stopped working on me. That's right. That's right. It was just started out kind of light. and then it just snowballed.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I, and we hear, you know, different stories on the show that, uh, tend to have the electronic gremlins following them, you know? Yeah. Uh, and that was definitely the case last time. And, uh, we're not off to a great start today. I mean, like, we were getting ready to restart recording and, and my ear, my ear headphones

went out and it's working now. Hopefully it stays up because if it's not, if it goes off, I might just have to take off my headphones, which is no good for me because it's weird. You podcast for eight years with headphones on. It's hard to not hear you and me and my ears. But the reason why you and I connected initially is because you had heard episode 694 Dark Shift and you're like, well, that's relatable. And you're like, I've heard this before. in my life. And that's been a common theme with some people reaching out and stuff since then, which I had a suspicion would happen. And some people are reaching out to say they've had different aspects of experiences that equate to that story. I just talked to a woman last week

who she has, after hearing that, reached out to me just to confirm that she has such experiences to a certain extent. And so I invited her on the show. We recorded. And she said that, like, and a lot of her stuff is within the dream state, lucid dreaming. Sure. And she wound up interacting with this ancient Mayan god cosmetaz, I think is how you pronounce it. Sounds right.

And yeah, sure. and it's like this this this bat wing god that is that works for the underworld or guards the underworld I think it is and then in another dream that she didn't even remember the day that we sat down to record she's going through this dream journal that she has she said I don't really keep up on it I'm really bad with it and she said that I came across a dream in here that I don't even remember dreaming and I don't remember writing this and she reads a to me. And she says that basically in this dream,

she came across a three-headed dragon or like, the way she said it was, it was like a three-headed dragon or a type of dragon dog. And, and she said that it was interacting with, I think she said, I think she said it was the ruler over Hades or something like that. It was like basically Satan.

The idea of Satan. And she described him, I think, having black skin, if I remember correctly. But when I started, because I mean, I'm not up to date on Greek mythology, right? So I looked up, you know, three-headed dragon at first and three-headed dog. Cerberus. Serberus, yeah. Yep. And so, like, I'm literally sitting there reading about Cerberus.

And I've seen it in like Hercules movie when I was a kid, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Disney version. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah. I'm sitting there reading about it and she goes, she's reading out of her dream journal that she didn't remember writing, didn't remember this dream. And she goes, in my dream, I think its name was called Cerberus. And I was like, I stopped her. I was like, do you know, do you know what Cerberus is? And she's like, no, I just, that's the name that I felt like I had in the dream, I guess. And I said, hang on a second. So I screen shared with her. And I was like, this is what I'm looking at right now. And I'm like, a three headed dog called. Serberus that serves and she's like, holy crap. I was like, yeah. So there's there's a lot more to the dream to the dream realm than what people I think give credit to. But also the reality of the

dream realm where just because you think it's a dream doesn't mean it was all fiction. Right. And we can go into so many different directions with that. I even came across a guy recently who scientifically apparently has been able to hack people's brains and communicate with them while they're in REM sleep. And it's like what he like he can send them messages. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty wild. But anyways, you're here because you have a lot of similar experiences. And so we were kind of brainstorming before we started recording. If you could just kind of start off with like the overview of. how this kind of all started for you because I kind of stopped you.

I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that sounds like I want that recording. I have had a life full of paranormal experience. Like, it's not uncommon to me for the paranormal to be more real than the real. It's like I think about just kind of different points in my life. And I can see forces of both darkness and light in both places, right? Like it threw out the whole time. I grew up in a haunted house. My dad was kind of plagued by madness a little bit.

And it definitely showed, you know, like I grew up. There was one point when I was like, I don't know, eight or something like that. There was a particular memory I have. I was waiting for my parents to get home. they're out on like a date night or something. And I remember looking out of my bedroom window and there's this giant bat creature that just flies and there's a house across the street and it just flies and it sits on this electrical box, right? And it's just staring at me. And it's probably eight or nine feet tall. You know, furry, it's got dark red eyes and they're luminescent,

but they're not like glowing from their own source of light. You know what I mean? Um, And I remember looking at it, and I wasn't ever afraid of that stuff. Like, it never scared me, but it was, it was something that I definitely recognized that other people didn't see. How old are you when that, when you start realizing that? Oh, gosh, like eight, maybe. You know, it's, in my adult life, I could say that that would be similar to what Mothman is described as. And I hadn't even thought about that until just now, but it's, you know, there was. There was a point where you, so you're saying you've never thought about that until just now?

Until just now. Really? I was, I'm like, oh, I guess that kind of looks like mothman. Yeah, a lot. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm stunned by that. You know, and it's, I find it interesting that stuff like that would happen to me all the time.

And as I grew up because of the turmoil that there was in my house, I grew up in a church, but they weren't. it was it was in the early 2000s and it was very Baptist or you know whatever so there was there was a lot of like you know the doctrine of of cessationalism it's like you know the spiritual gifts aren't active they're not working anymore there's some that aren't intended for today at all and um you know that was back in the days when it was like the paranormal is not real you know everyone was was treating it like it was foolishness or or the workings of a diluted mind rather than something that is real, right? And it wasn't until, gosh, about seven years ago or something like that, that I was at a point in my life where I was plagued by a variety of different things. And I was prepared to end my life, right, to be done with everything. and I remember I told God if you're real

then I want you and you have to be real. This is my last go around, my last attempt and if you're not who you say you are, then I'm done. And it's one of those things you've got to be careful what you pray for

because he showed up in a big way and he hasn't stopped showing up since. And as I've progressed down that road, You know, it's like the amount of spiritual warfare that I can look back on now and recognize that. I'm like, okay, this is all stuff that's been going on throughout my whole life. I'm like, it is a part of my ordained purpose, right, is to be someone who walks in both worlds. and I have a certain gift set that protects me from the usual negative aspects of that dark side.

Like I've been in the catacombs of the undead. I've been pursued by hellhounds. I've been in these ancient forests where like all the sudden, like I'll be, you know, I was driving across Kansas, right? And I look up and all of a sudden on the horizon, there's this gigantic tree that is like 400 feet tall and 100 feet wide and it's just sitting on the horizon. And so I have this, I don't know, nature where I'm kind of here but not here.

And I'm kind of there but not there, if that makes sense. And so like the way that I experience things is both physical and not and metaphysical. and not. And it's like, so I see stuff that other people don't. Like, I've seen shadow figures. I've seen the hat man who I had a much more concentrated fight against at a different point. Like I've, there's, there's so many different areas I could go. It's like, but as I've gone through my life, I've come to recognize that the Lord has ordained me for warfare on a very direct, and confrontational or of a

of a direct and confrontational type to the enemy. And so, you know, my life is his and I just go where he tells me to go and I do what he tells me to do. It works out, you know. Wow. Well, all right. So that's a great primer.

And I'm really glad you're here because, you know, you drove, what, 24 hours, essentially? Something like that. And I'm really grateful that you got here. I was going to fly you, but you said flying doesn't work out for people like to do. There's a whole story about that. You're like, I was like, I was going to fly you out.

You're just like, actually, it's probably safer if I drive. More likely that I'll get here. That's wild. So are you familiar with the guy I've had on the show twice now, Nathan Reynolds? Yeah. Okay. The way you just kind of talked about the, it's almost like you're, you're, you, you've been commissioned to have a direct interaction and conflict with this stuff.

It almost sounds like him. He's never said it like that, but that's kind of like what you described is almost like him too. Did you ever, when you listen to his stuff, feel like it's relatable at all to you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. You know, it's interesting to me that like his story, there's a lot of points in it that I relate to.

and the as a bit of a back story for it like I would say at this point that I have the equivalent of you know a very unorthodox seminary level education in a variety of different topics there was one point

pretty quickly after my conversion that I was asking God I'm like you know can I go to seminary can I go can I go do that stuff and he told me no and I remember as I was going through stuff, he told me,

I am your teacher, rely on me. And where he leads me in information that I study and that I learn about sometimes goes to some really dark places and can be very dangerous for anybody to go to.

So Nathan Reynolds, and your show in general, has been a huge resource that the Lord has used for me to teach. me about things and to connect different points and and I think that you do extremely important work because it gives the capability for people to start drawing lines and recognize that what they consider to be like a false world is is more real than this world like the spiritual world is

more real and and just as permanent as this world you know it's like you can think about it through the lens of like it's a different dimension or whatever. But it's like the way that I think about it is that the, you know, the Bible talks about three heavens or, you know, like so you have earth, you have the second heaven, which is where these entities reside, right? Like they come in through it. There's portals through it. There's, you know, I don't know. There's, it's, it's different over there. It's really, really strange. And then there's the third heaven, which I've also been to. And it's, it's also very different. you know, especially from the second heaven and especially from the first heaven.

And so the second heaven is where a lot of this stuff goes on, but people discount their experiences with it because it feels so different. Like the laws of physics are different there. The way time moves is different there. The air itself feels different, breathes different. The ground moves. I don't know. It's a weird place because it's corrupted, right? And so you have. The second heaven is corrupted? Yeah. Okay. And so the way I picture it is like everything that we see exists in the second heaven, but it overlays, right, on top of it. And there's places in it that you don't see here. You know, kind of, it's this idea of like you almost have like an expanded vision of some areas. Like if you had a like a Venn diagram, it's like there's places where it overlaps and

there's certain things that are unique to each, right? But, you know, we don't, we don't war against flesh and blood. We war against principalities and spirits and entities in, you know, the second heaven. And it's like, so everything that we see is, is a direct representation of it, and at the same time not, if that makes any kind of sense. It probably doesn't. But, I mean, kind of like what you're describing almost sounds like the, it would be like the upside down from stranger things. It's like similar, but it's not the same. And, And the way you were describing the Second Heaven, you rattled it off a few descriptors. The last thing you ended on was the ground moving, but the air being different, time moving differently.

Can you go into that as far as like, what do you mean by time moves differently? Is it slower, noticeably slower, faster, or does it even exist? So it depends. It definitely does exist. I've had instances where I've been in the Second Heaven and I've gained. time where like, you know, it's there or here? Here. So you gain time here. Yeah. When you were there. Yep. So it's almost like, like, almost like time traveling you're saying, like going forward faster than it should have to a certain extent. So like the, what I mean by gain time is there was a, um, a point in my life. I had a job I was doing. And, um, and I was behind on it. And I was needing to get a certain. level of it completed that day. And I had figured out it was going to take me six or seven hours

or something like that. But God had told me to spend the morning with him. And so I did. And that meant that I didn't get to work until like noon or something like that. Right. And I was sitting there and doing this job and I'm like, well, if God doesn't do something or something doesn't happen, I'm not going to get this bit done today. And I really need to get it done because if you're pour and concrete before snow comes, then you have to have it done before that point, right? And I remember I was working for like three or four hours and, and I was listening to a confessionals episode. I'd looked down at my phone and it said something like 215 or whatever, right? I'd been, I listened through an entire episode and a half. So it, like, it had been three and a half hours

or four hours or something like that. I looked down at my phone and an hour had passed. even though like the episodes had played all the way through and even though the day had continued to move

the same way that I had expected it to I've had times where I've done drives from one place to another and it's supposed to take four hours

and I get there in two and a half even though I was still there for the whole four hours I've had instances where like in the second heaven what I mean by time moves differently

is that it doesn't move the way that we we typically track it right like it's not an hours and minutes sort of thing there was one time i was i was in the second heaven and the it's what i mean by the air feels different like it's um it's a connection that that i made when i was doing a bunch of research on cryptids right and i was going through all these different accounts at bigfoot um and and you know, some of these people who saw orbs, like, you know, orbs are a common denominator with Bigfoot sightings. And there was at one point where people were talking about how every time they had

interactions with these orbs and they got close to them, they got extremely sick. And, you know, whether it was like this rare cancer that popped up all of a sudden or they were just like nauseous or, you know, whatever, it's because that the second heaven is radioactive, right? Right. It's like, and so these orbs and metaphysical entities that travel back and forth, they are radioactive. So when we're close to them, we get a dose of a particular type of radiation. And, and that's what I mean by like I have a level of protection against that because every time I've been there, like I would say, I've experienced some radiation sickness and that's, that's it. Like I've never had major issues with my health because of my proximity to these things. This is interesting because, and I know I've mentioned a few times on the show, but I was talking with a doctor that she told me, because I was basically, I was given location of where a possible Bigfoot was buried. And when I reached out to her on how to handle it if I were to find something, she goes, you need to call me right away. I call her. And she tells me that these burial sites, not all of them, but some of them are

radioactive. And there are people who, when they dig them up, if they're not protecting themselves, will find themselves dying a few months later. And she's like, you need to be very careful, bring a Geiger counter. I think I have two Geiger counters now. But even I was, I was on a, I was on scene at a location. I can't disclose where I was. Sure. But I've talked. about it on the show where I basically, I went to the meadow where the cube portal popped up for Trey and his team. Sure. And we were on scene there for about a week. And we were doing our own investigation. I walked around where the cube portal was a lot. And I think it was the second last night there, I had gotten sick. And, um, like, I just wasn't feeling good. I didn't throw up. I thought I was

going to throw up, but I didn't. And then, uh, and I don't, I don't get that kind of sickness. Like, I don't, like I get colds and stuff, but when it comes to throwing up, I really don't throw up. You know, like a stomach egg kind of thing. But, um, when I got home, the first night I spent home, dude, I was spent my night next to the, to the toilet. And, um, I started thinking, like, I wonder if that has something to do with the radiation spikes we were experiencing because there were radiation spikes. And so do you, with that information I just gave you, is there from your experience, because you mentioned about the idea of portals and stuff, these doorways that are access points, do you think those locations like where I was at are traditionally high spikes with radiation? They could be. So I don't like to say anything definitive because I'm just a man and I have a limited ability to understand stuff and I could be wrong, right?

There was a point where, okay, so just to frame this whole thing out. So there was a point where pretty early in my conversion I was doing some level of paranormal research. Like I was going to start a YouTube channel and do all this stuff, right? There was seven years ago? Yeah. Okay. About that. There was a really interesting experience that I had where I was preparing to go to a location and do kind of our first episode, right?

We had gotten some janky cameras and a few mics and whatever. And I had had an interaction in my dream with this entity. And I described the place to my wife. and it was a place that she was familiar with, like she was the one that kind of got us, that whole connection. And she turned pale when I was telling her about it because I'd walked into like this little room in the dream, right?

And there was, you know, it was kind of an older building, slanted roof. There was one window over this bed, and this entity floats up in it, right? It's what I've come to understand is the hat man itself, Right. Like it's at least a representation of it. The hatman, um, a whole whole other thing. But anyway,

point being is that it, it floated up. Its skin was ash gray, um, and cracked like there was this, these black cracks all over it. And its skin was kind of flaking off and, um, floating away, turning into smoke on the wind, right? Um,

its eyes were like a jaundiced yellow. It had, um, like a desiccated, stretched mouth and no tongue. But it was mouthing something to me. And it took me a little while to figure out what it was saying. And it said Zyadjara, right? And at the time when I thought about that, I'm like, okay, that doesn't, you know, whatever,

that's just some gibberish. And do a quick Google search. Turns out that's one of the 9-11 bombers. I don't know what the connection is. I think that it was still just kind of a rabbit hole to try to distract and whatever. But, you know, maybe it'll bring up a connection for someone else. But the, we would, you know, that was, that was probably two months before we actually went there to film and do our stuff. Actually went there and did our paranormal investigation.

And there was a point where I was in that room in kind of this little, like, you know, closet attic, walkway kind of space, right? and I was asking, you know, what does Zayajara mean? Like, what's the, you know, asking about that? And I'm editing later on, about three months later. I didn't hear anything at the time. But I'm editing later on, and I'm trying to match up the audio with the video. And I get to the point where I was asking about that stuff. And I'm not there on the video, but I'm listening through it.

And I ask that question, and there's an EVP that comes through. and it starts playing, there's like a sitar that starts playing for probably a few seconds. And then it's just this deep, gravelly voice that says it was me. Sitar plays for a few more minutes or for a few more seconds and then cuts out. And I remember at that point, I'm like, okay, so I stopped what I was doing. I'm like, okay, this is not something that I should be messing with. these things are able to invade my dreams, travel across thousands of miles, give me something to pay attention to, and then when I go there, they reference it directly.

I'm like, so what's to say that they can't also follow me back, that they don't have, you know, I'm like, I just don't know what the parameters are at that point. And so I'm done with it. And I'm asking God, you know, and I'm watching a lot of the, these different paranormal shows. And I'm asking him, like, okay, so what's the deal with these places? Because there's a pattern that comes forward when you start paying attention to them. There's no such thing as a good haunting. There's people who think they have a good haunting or a harmless haunting. And then the more attention is given to it, the more dark it gets, right,

to a point where it devolves into eventually demonic activity, almost always, right? And so I was asking him about it and he told me he's that these are places where there is a portal like access that's given, right? Almost like a layline, right? Think about it like that. And they come into this place and they start like their, you know, the good hauntings or whatever are a way for them to get their foot in the door. Once they get that foot in the door, the more people that pay attention to it is the exact words that he gave me were that these places are lurid and breed misery, right? They create a higher concentration of access for the enemy, right? And so as these things are moving in and as they're doing more of their stuff, it becomes kind of a launch point for

them to start getting out and doing a whole bunch of other stuff. The more people that come there, they're able to ride on their shoulders and go back to other places. Like it's just a way for them to move. And so these dark entities have a particular EMF field that they emit. Right. So like everything that's alive has it. Everything that is spirit has it. And so there's when they do like the EMF meters and that sort of stuff, I'm like what they're tracking is like, yes, there is an EMF abnormality here. And it's because these entities give off a different type of energy. And And I don't think that there's, you know, dead human spirits necessarily in some of these places. It's one of the questions that I still have that I'm consistently doing a little bit of research on.

But like, I think that these entities will masquerade as human spirits in order to make our guard lower. Right. And so as we are not afraid of them at that point, they can then influence and move on. do different stuff, you know. And so where Nathan Reynolds has a lot of stuff that I can relate to is where he talks about

stuff like the shape shifting and being able to go into this other place and having you know, what's what's that word that he used it? You know, he has what he called fractured personalities or whatever, right? those those are all kept in places over there right it's like there's different areas and different stages

and the second heaven is is like the main focus of the occult for them to be able to access and get to and it's it's why it seems like at least from what i've noticed that people who are involved in that and the closer they get to it the worse they look right the the sicker they get um you know they they get very um if they're not sick physically they start showing signs of premature aging and and you know variety of things like that and it's it's interesting that there's these entities over there um that can move into our reality it's like through access points like that right and you were you were asking about how these places would have higher concentrations of radioactive it's like it's almost like a door that's open and this stuff bleeds

out. And so like when you have that radiation bleeding out, you are subject to being affected by that, right? And so the more concentrated these areas are. And it can be anything from like, you know, this was an access point 5,000 years ago. It can be it was an access point 20 years ago, like whatever. It doesn't necessarily matter when it was. It just matters that they had access at some point. And so when that happens in your close to it. I don't know what causes like the bleed over, like what dictates when it happens or anything like that. You know, because like there will be times when something happens that's that's very minor. You know, it's like people go there and they're looking for this experience and nothing happens. And then like, you know, the next day someone who's not looking for the experience

goes there and they're just bombarded by stuff. You know, it's like there's no real rhyme or reason to why as far as I've been able to discern. But in those places, you are subject to issues like that. And so it's just strange. It's a very different place. And any connections and access points that we have, it's imperative that you'd be extremely careful when you're going around those places

because it can be very detrimental to your health. So you're describing the first heaven, the second heaven, third heaven, you've been to all three? Okay. And it seems like the second heaven is, How did you describe it? It was something wrong with it, right? It's off.

It's off. There's something off about it. Is that like the playground as far as you're concerned with this stuff? Or are they trying to get to the third heaven? Are they there too? Like what's so special about the second heaven? Like you mentioned about the occult practitioners trying to get to the second heaven. Is there an effort?

I mean, I'm assuming you have to go through the first heaven to get to the second heaven. Is that? Well, Earth is, Earth is called the first heaven. Oh, yeah, duh, duh. Yeah. So the, then let's jump to the third heaven. Like, is that the pursuit then to try to get to the third heaven by these entities? Do you even know?

I don't think so. You know, and based on scripture, which is the only authoritative source that I consider, right? there's um there's there's there's essentially the second heaven is where these things all interact because if you you know if you go through revelation the lake of fire and um and and and hell in a traditional like kind of catholic mindset right it doesn't exist yet there is a place of darkness and separation right like the the hebrew bible talks about it as shul or haedes um and then there is, you know, this place here, right? It doesn't seem like there's any stops to them being able to invade Earth through this kind of, I guess you could call it a spiritual dimension that overlays ours, known as the second heaven.

And so there's what I would say, it's like a, it doesn't seem like it has the ability to go up higher than that, if that makes sense. I could be wrong. You know, the Bible talks about how at, you know, certain points, Satan goes and presents himself before God. It says, you know, where have you been going to and fro in the earth, walking it up and down, you know. And it talks about how in Revelation he is cast. out of heaven. And so there's, I don't know the level of access from the second heaven to the third heaven, but I know that warfare is waged in the second heaven, right? And that we interact with it more than we think we do. And so that's, I don't know, it's a, it's a weird place and it's hard to describe with words, right? It's very different. You know, it's just off. I don't know how to explain it in a way that that would really make sense. But like, you know, like I was in the second heaven one time for probably two or three hours. And I was just outside my house, you know, nothing, nothing really all that crazy. And I was looking around and all of a sudden

there were all these trees that were, they had this odd purple tint to them. Right. And the ground itself was like breathing is how I would describe it like it was moving up and down the air looked different like there was kind of this shimmering I don't know almost like wavy type nature to it there was little like almost points of light or sparks that were just kind of hovering and floating around and and I could tell that there were areas in it that were safer than others and there was, you know, this particular entity out there. You know, one of the things in that episode that caught my attention was that he talked about how Stephen King was a, you know, he interacts in this stuff, right? So the closest thing that I've been able to describe this as is like it's boo-ya moon, right?

Like, I don't know if you've read Lizzie's story, but that's where this stuff is talked about, right? And there's an entity in it called the Longboy, which is a very, a very, consuming massive like worm type creature right and and it goes through and it's trying to eat people and there's certain areas of safety and solitude in this other place but that's that's about what it looked like right is that it was very similar to boo you moon the way it's described in in lizzie's story anyway and and i was there for what felt like probably two or three hours. Or no, I'm sorry.

Two or three minutes. I got it backwards. I was there for what felt like two or three minutes, came back down to Earth and I had been standing out in the yard for like a couple hours. Just weird. You know, I'm like there's no distinction that I can make as to like how the laws of physics and

all that stuff work over there, but I know that they're not the same as they are here. I bet your neighbors thought you were weird. They must love you. What is this dude doing out there? There he is again just standing in the, kids don't go over there don't talk to that

he's weird he's a little weird he's a little weird he says Jesus a lot and just weird stuff happens okay so there's a lot there there's a lot there that you that you said so I guess we'll start with what you just said about standing in the yard

and so when you're standing in the yard and you're in the second heaven is it like your your body is just void of activity it's like you become a shell of yourself? Yes and no. It's like my vision and my experience with reality changes where I can still move and do stuff, right?

Like I still have full control of myself. It's not like I enter into an altered state or anything like that. It's more like I know that I'm not here, but I am. And at the same time, when I'm in this other place, I know that when I'm kind of like snapped back or whatever, right? Like it's almost not really like kind of a confusing sensation, but it's almost like you're just, you're waking up from something type of thing.

It's not like a delusion or anything like that. You know, it's not like how people describe missing time typically or anything like that. It's just like all of a sudden like I'm there. And my experience with time is like just a few seconds. like, you know, if we're sitting at this table and if I were to be there for a second, like we could be sitting at this table and I come back and I look down at the clock and the clock is like, oh yeah, you've been here for a long time. I'm like, but my experience with how it happens doesn't feel any different, right?

Like I know that I'm still sitting here, but what I'm seeing and experiencing is different if that makes any kind of sense. I mean, it's hard. It's hard to make sense of it. But so you can you do, is this something that? you do or is it something that is done to you? Like, can you say, I'm going to go to the second heaven right now? Or is it something that, like, you're pulled there? Hey, guys, this episode is brought to you by Merckmerch.com.

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Typically, the second heaven is not a place that I really ever want to be. So if I'm there, typically it's because I'm pulled there. And you would say God's pulling you there? Yeah. Okay. And or actually, well, sometimes there, okay, there was an entity that I was dealing with that I've come to know as Sir Nunoz, right? He's a stag-headed Celtic god, right? there was, sorry, there's, there's enough, enough going through my mind. I'm not sure where to start. Okay, so,

I believe me, I understand it perfectly. Like, I'm making notes of stuff you said like an hour ago now. I'm like, oh, maybe we got to get back to that at some point. So, this entity, it, it moves in these flashes of light, right? Its signature characteristic is madness. Like any of these entities that I see and deal with, like, there's, their eyes are where it's particularly, particularly different, right? Like the nature of an entity that is dark, you can tell because its eyes are, I don't know if it's like a source of power, it's where they pull you in or whatever, but like every entity that I've come up against, it's like when I look at its eyes, I can tell what type of attacks it goes through, what sort of nature it is based on what it, what pervades from it.

So this, you know, Serenos entity, it had eyes that were kind of like a pale green and they were swirling and you could hear men screaming in it. And there was madness and like maniacal laughter and like this whole thing, right? And so it would move in these flashes of light to disorient. And I know I need like pictures online. You know, you see like this entity that's all standing. I'm like, it doesn't move like that. It moves like on all fours. It has a coat or a pelt of like a hundred different animals and, you know,

that's just real frazzled and strange. But it attacks with madness, right? And like insanity, that sort of thing. It's a very odd entity, but like it moves. on all fours and it's like its limbs are out of joint like it and it moves in ways that it shouldn't within these flashes of light. I don't know how to explain it in a terribly descriptive sense that that would make tons of sense. But like when when I come up against these things, I know that like there's there's different levels, right? There's a hierarchy within the

kingdom of darkness. The occultic principle of as above so below is a point of truth where like everything that that Satan and his kingdom goes for is a mimicry of something in heaven, right? And so you can find that there's deceptions based on the truth, right? And so they take things that are of heaven, they bring it down, they get people to see, because we inherently will recognize that truth. And then they lead us down a path of deception, right, by twisting it. It's odd.

So anyway, the point I was getting to is that there's these places that, you know, like, I don't know. I don't think of the United States or like any other place I've really been so far as different states. Like I don't really think about the borders. all that sort of stuff. It's more like these geographical regions where I can point to, okay, this place has this principality, this place has this principality. And I've come up and dealt with those particular things in a very direct way for quite a while. And Serenunos was one

of them. It resides over St. Louis area. I'm not sure exactly how far it spreads, but it brings people into this stagnation and madness. And you see signs of that. And I think it's really interesting that just across the river in Illinois, there is the Cahokia mounds, right? Like, it's one of the biggest Native American settlements of the mound builders. And it's sitting right on top of East St. Louis, which is notorious for its danger and it's, you know, murder rate and property rate or property crime rate, you know, like so it, and it's interesting that the closer these things are to these areas, it seems like the more you see negative effects of it popping forward, right?

And Serenus rests in that area. And so the point I was trying to get to is during this confrontation, which lasted about six months, where I was dealing with this entity. I was at work one day, and I was pulled out of my body and snapped back in. right and so um like like like quickly like you were pulled out your body and then snapped back into your body like real fast or yeah so um i was just making sure that you that you're not talking about like being snapped back into the second heaven you're talking about being you're no literally pulled out of my body so like there's a um you know like the the occult calls it the astral cord right it's like so i was i was in my body it it had you know it was like march it had been raining or something like that and i was stepping across a puddle and i felt myself leave. I looked at my body from about five feet away and I snapped back in and I felt myself hit my own body and it was like running into a brick wall for a minute. And it left me a little shaken, you know, for sure. The point that I'm trying to make is that there are times when I can be

pulled into other areas, but I trust that like when God does it, I know because it's not like that. It's not violent. It's not aggressive. It's not, you know, really trying to hit me that way, if that makes any kind of sense. There's a distinction, you know, talking about astral projection, right? Like, that is one of those as above so below things. It's a counterfeit that the enemy uses. And, you know, I know that everyone has their different opinions on it.

But it seems like, to me, in my experience, when with, with where God is taught me and where he leads me, there's a distinction between how God does it and how the enemy does it. And astral projection is the enemy's way, where you leave your body, you're physically in that location, but you're spiritually in other places, right?

And you can look at any number of people who have done it and attested to it. You know, some people call it remote viewing. Some people call it whatever. But it's a counterfeit. And, you know, it's like, and so I don't know what the specific, details or laws are around that but I know that from what God has taught me right there is a level

where I can enter into like a space in the second heaven where I'm interacting with it but I'm here but it's an expansion right it's like and so what I mean by that is is like I'll be sitting they're praying or whatever and I ask God to expand my like expand me and so like I'm in my body but I'm expanded and so I can see different things going on in different places sometimes I go up sometimes I go out and my vision increases in that space you know just as a a quick example just this last Monday I was you know I woke up and I was feeling

really kind of just low and almost depressed and a little bit crotchety and all that sort of stuff and I figured I'm like okay it's just stress from work or you know because this is this is the first amount

of time off that I've had since like September basically you know it's like working every day trying to catch up on stuff and and so I was like, no, I don't think that's it. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. And I start praying and asking God, I'm like, hey, what's going on today? I'm like, I don't understand, you know, it was starting to storm a little bit. And, you know, and I'm going to the hardware store to get

something for a job. And I look up and the trees are shifting, if that makes sense. Like, I don't know how else to explain it. Like, basically, there's a veil between this world and the next world and there's days when the veil is thin and there's days when the veil is thicker, right? Monday was a thin day and the trees showed it to me. Like there's waves rolling across the static and there's like these trees have this outline above them that's a different color and it's it is the tree but it's not if that makes sense. and I look up and the mountains are completely covered by, you know, snow, it's coming in. And so you can't see them through that, but I see the outlines of the mountains and kind of this like electric shadow of them almost, right?

And the Lord tells me the veil's thin today. He's like, so what you're experiencing is an attack of the enemy. So like the enemy can send in these storms that have a particular push or a drive to do something, right? and as I was praying and asking about it, he's like today, they're raiding, right? So they're coming in to take captives and to hurt a few people and to try and demotivate the opposition, right? And he had me reach out. Like I texted my pastor and a few other prayer warriors. I know, and they're like, hey, just be aware of this and we're praying against it today.

And that's, it was the whole day. It was just warfare like that. You know, and, you know, there was a point where I was driving back from a job or a meeting with a customer. And there's this particular entity from, I just call him the shaman, right? He's, he looks like a Native American. I've dealt with him as a windigo before. He's appeared as a raven before. Like, there's a variety of different appearances.

but like the shaman, I'm directly contending with him. Like I see him standing there in front of me face to face. And I'm praying against it, praying against him. And there's like this compass that appears, you know, almost like it just shows the four cardinal directions. And it shatters in front of him. And I'm asking the Lord to, you know, send warring angels and to protect his people and do a whole bunch of other stuff. But after I had that direct confrontation, with him. The storm kind of broke. Like it was no longer like blizzardy type weather until later that

night. And then all of a sudden it was. Like it didn't drop that much snow, but there was a lot more accidents. The roads were much more difficult to get across. And, you know, like we were, we were driving back from a small town. You know, my wife's pregnant. And so we were coming back from an OB appointment. and and what usually takes like 20 minutes on this drive took us like an hour and it was because the roads got so bad, you know, icy, got ground blizzards and, you know, so it, and right after we got home, they had to shut down the road because of accidents that were along the highway. So there's, you know, that would be a point where, like, I'm praying and I'm expanded, right? It's not that I'm in, another place necessarily as it is that I am in both places is the easiest way to kind of describe it. A lot of this stuff, it's, it's difficult to explain. No, I totally understand. And I mean, no, I don't understand, but that's the point.

But kind of like what you were talking about earlier, about the overlaying, you know. And so it's, I forget how you were describing it, But it's probably the first time, probably, the first time that I have somebody telling me this stuff that it kind of clicked in my head. I was like, wait a second. So what you're describing sounds like another world. Hollywood would call it, you know, like in strangers things, it's the upside down. But, and we hear these stories on the show. And I'm thinking myself, is this the first time that I've ever considered?

the idea that this is the second heaven that people are interacting with? And I think it might be. It's actually pretty mind-blowing to, because now, like, I'm thinking about Paul and his interaction. I was like, I'm thinking of myself, oh, wow. It's like, okay, noted. I kind of want to, based on that, right? So basically, you know, the overlaying of reality and the interaction, There is a question I do want to ask you. I'm probably going to throw a bunch out right now. That's fine. It is when you're in the second heaven and you're interacting there,

are you physically interacting here in the same manner? Or are you literally sitting still, but there's stuff going on around you? And it's like, because you're saying like this is this weird overlay. So how much is there a bleed of the two realities where like in order for you to interact there on a, I don't even know if this is the right wording,

but a physical level. are you interacting here on a physical level? And then, like, if you can maybe go into that, but then what I'd like to do is kind of backtrack a little bit because we kind of just jumped into this, which is fine. But you had a very dramatic experience where, you know, you were considering doing bad things to yourself. And that's kind of like where all this started.

and I want to know like what has been the commission essentially because you're talking about you know, warring and things like that. Like what is as far as you can tell the calling that you've been given to do and what does that entail? Because it sounds like you're a soldier to me. So I don't know if you view yourself that way or not. But if you could just maybe before we go into that and stuff, just talk to me about the overlaying of the realities because I will forget later to ask that

question. And I think other people probably have the same question. So the the overlaying of the realities, it doesn't have to be anything in particular. Like there's no, there's no like formula that I go through to get there. Right. Oftentimes, it'll just be something as simple is like I'll be in church on Sunday and I'll be praying and I ask God to just show me what he wants me to see and I go up or I go out or whatever you know it's like and he shows me like you know there's this this one particular service I was I was praying and I was asking him you know for direction and I was in church you know it's like my daughter's sitting next to me my wife sit next to me and I'm praying it helps me if I can close my eyes, right?

Like it, because the overlay that I'm talking about, like the veil, like I see it physically. There is a, I don't know what you would call it necessarily, but just full disclosure and people can look it up and get an idea of what it looks like. It's called visual snow syndrome. It's an extremely rare and extremely new vision disorder is how medical science talks about it. Typically, it's accompanied by severe tinnitus and renders people almost disabled, right? From what I understand, I have the rarest type where I have tinnitus and I also have visual snow syndrome. And it's basically like, you know, in the 90s, there was like the white noise that was on TV. It basically looks like that, but it's transparent and it sits over everything.

And I can see things. Always? Always. Really? So like, You're experiencing that right now? Right now. Wow. Yep. It's like, and so I can see things in it and like there's stuff that pops up in it that other people don't see, right? Like I can track where people have moved. I can see movements in it because the static moves differently in those places.

Like I've walked into a room before and I saw that someone just left because the static showed a different, you know, like it showed where they walked. And so when I talk about it. It's like a heat signature? Yes and no. like it moves faster almost right it's like so um you know and i've been able to see things like you know the in in a cult sense they would call it like oras or whatever right like i've seen things like that in the static above people's heads and like around their bodies and i can usually tell when people are dealing with something um you know dark or oppressive like it's it's

from what i understand i'm seeing the electromagnetic feeling the electromagnetic feel And so like I can walk up to a person and based on what the static looks like around them, I can tell kind of what their mood is. I can tell kind of the stuff that they're dealing with. I can notice if it looks particularly different if they're having a real hard time with something. And and within that overlay, right? Like that's what I mean by it's like it's this overlay. Like it's on the table right now. It's on the ceiling right now. It's on the TV. It's everywhere. Right. Like it's, that's what I mean by like it's this overlay. Like it's on the table right now. It's on the TV. It's everywhere. Right. Like it's, it's it's all over you. Like the static is this overlay, and it's what I call the veil, right? And so the veil, when I mean it can be thicker or thinner, there's days where I can see through it in a different kind of way and days where it's thicker

where it's moving differently. And this was your whole life? Whole life. Wow. And from what I understand, it was only maybe in 2019 or 2020, that it was even classified as a vision disorder. So it's extremely new. And don't quote me on that time.

I'm not 100% sure on when, but extremely new. And so there's some people that deal with it. But like, for instance, the tinnitus that they describe that goes along with it, I hear things constantly that I wouldn't describe as tinnitus where, you know, like I've heard clear as day, like you and I are talking right now, people say things. things. You know, it's like, and there's no one there. Um, you know, like I have to check with my wife fairly often and ask her. I'm like, hey, did you just hear this? And most of the time she says no, but I have to check with her because to me, it sounds so real that I don't know where it originated from.

Like I've heard disembodied voices that way. I've heard, um, screams or people talking. I've heard, um, um, like these, I don't know, tones would be a good, good way to say it. And it's like when that happens, it's like my ears pop. And it's like I can feel, I don't know, I'm just, it's different for a second, like just thicker around me, right? And I can hear these tones that I think originate in the second heaven. And depending on their pitch, like they change in pitch. Sometimes they're real deep and resonant. Sometimes they're higher.

And I don't know exactly what they are in the sense of where they come from or what they mean necessarily. but I know that I've had visions and interactions where God has told me, like, be prepared to hear this. Because when you do, it's going to start, you know, this thing off or whatever, right? Like, and so, like, things will sound different. Things will look different. I hear things that aren't really there in this world fairly often. And so it's like, that's what I mean by the overlay, where, like, I can be, I can be, you know, talking to you right now. and if I were to be in that place,

I have full control here, but I'm also there. And so, like, if, you know, like I'm driving or I'm talking to a customer, like, okay, so there was, there was one time. And I'm still not 100% sure. But I think that I was there so much so that I became ghost-like here

is the only way I can explain it. So, like, I was, I was in the middle of a fast. Continue. I just go ahead. I'm sorry. There's, okay, so I was in the middle of a fast and I was, I was at work and I was, you know, we were putting on the roof that day or whatever. And I walk in after lunch.

And, you know, I'd been, I'd just spent the time praying and whatever. And all of a sudden, it's like this lightness comes over me so much so that. I can't stand up. I physically have to sit myself down. And there's like four other guys on the job site. And it's almost like I'm just not there. Right. Like I come in and I'm literally like kneeling on the ground. And they're just walking around me. It's like they're acting like they don't even see that I'm there at all. The static gets so strong in that moment that I'm almost like I can feel it. I can see it. Like I can almost touch it and move it.

You know what I mean? It gets like really bright. Like I feel like I'm about to pass out kind of thing. And then that lasts for probably a couple of minutes. And then I stand up and I go back to work and I'm shaking weak the rest of the day. But, you know, no one notices or says anything like, hey, what were you kneeling there for? You know, it's like there's probably not a ton of. of people that would know right off the bat.

But typically if you walk into a construction site and you see some guy sitting on the floor looking like he's having a hard time doing anything before you go up on the roof, you're going to ask him like, hey, dude, you are right? Like, you know, it's like. You just shoot yourself of the nail gun? Yeah, yeah, something like that, right? Like it's, and they didn't seem to notice at all. And that's happened to me a few different times.

And at the time, like that was the first time it happened. happened. At the time I was praying against it. I was asking God, I'm like, hey, was this an attack of the enemy? And I was trying to figure out what had happened. And he told me, he's like, no, that was me. I still don't know exactly what he did. But in that moment, I was here and also there, right? But more so there. and and I asked him, I'm like, okay, well, what do I do with that? I'm like, because, like, I can't be up on top of a roof doing something and have that hit me because I, you know, I'm like I would fall off or whatever. And he said, no, this is something that you will be able to do at will when I teach you the process. Has he done that yet?

Parts of it. Wow. There's, like, there was another time pretty recently. It was, it was down. I was down in in Florida Bama area doing some work. And I was sitting at the laundromat with my wife. You know, we were just washing clothes or whatever. And all of a sudden, I'm popped up, right?

Like I just, I feel that same sort of way. And I look up and across the sky, there are these triangles that are flashing in a pattern and a band that's probably, you know, I don't know about that wide in my vision, right? Just stretching across the sky in a little bit of a wave. And it's these, you know, just triangles. And every time they flash, they like interlock and move almost like gears, probably four layers of them. And as they're flashing and moving across, like, I feel the same way.

I'm really lightheaded. I'm shaky, you know, involuntarily. My kind of ears pop. And I remember my wife looked over and she was like, are you okay? I said, no, there's these triangles going on right now. And they're flashing and moving. And I just need to pray for a minute and see what's going on. And it was an invitation that God gave me.

He's like, ask what you want for this area. And so I did. You know, prayed for a lot of stuff, revival and a whole variety of other things. but, you know, but for a good bit of time after that, probably another three, four hours, I felt sick, you know, almost like radiation. It's like I felt really almost like my skin was peeling off, if that makes any kind of sense. And it's similar to like a bad sunburn, right? Like when you get a bad sunburn and your skin's peeling off and it's just kind of flaky

and whatever, it's like you're shaky and you feel kind of nauseous, had a headache. and you know it was it was and that was something that was hard for me too. I'm like, okay, so why am I experiencing these physical symptoms if it's from God, right? And the scripture that God led me to was a little tiny book called Habakkuk right at the end of chapter 3. You know, he says that when I heard and saw this vision from God, he's like rottenness entered my bones. and I was like sick. Let me just pull it up. I was about to do the same thing.

Back at three, you said, right? Yeah. Yeah, I want to, because this is good stuff right here. Yeah. So you said it's at the end of the chapter? Yep. It's verse 16. It says, I hear, and my body trembles.

What version are you using? The ESV. Okay, let me turn you over real quick. Okay. Good. Because I hear in my body trembles. My lips quiver at the sound. Rottenness enters into my bones.

My legs tremble beneath me. Yet I will quietly wait for the day of trouble to come upon people who invade us. That's what it felt like, right? Like body trembling. You know, it's like you're weak, rottenness entering into your bones. I'm like, that's a good descriptor of what it feels like. You know, you're weak from the inside out. and so like when when this stuff happens like i have some level of training to be able to do it

at will but it's it's not something that is always like that right um and and in that in that space when it does happen um rather than expecting it to be an attack of the enemy or something like that I have to check with God first. I'd be like, okay, so what is going on right here? What am I doing with this? What would you have of me while I'm here? Right. And so it's just, it's a really interesting thing to experience, but there's definitely times

when God brings me up. There's times when I ask him to take me there. And there's times when, you know, the enemy has tried to pull me out of my body into that place. And it feels very different. Like it's very violent. very aggressive. And so like I'm within my body entirely, but I'm also there.

It's just an expansion. So I get the sense that this, saying the word journey is not accurate, but I don't know how else to describe it, this journey you're on with God and this new, whatever this is. It seems like you're still learning. You're still. 100%. This isn't something, because, I mean, it's seven years.

old. So it's not like it's something that you, you've been doing for 30 years. And I just, I feel like, I feel like I wish Colorado was closer. Because I'm going to want you here more often. And you don't freaking fly. There's a story about that. I'm sure there is. I'm sure there is. I want to talk to you about how this kind of all started for you and, you know, the idea that you've been kind of commissioned into this. We kind of just hit on a little bit where, you know, you're still learning and the idea of being able to do things at will. How did this go from, you know, a very dark time in your life to God, because I forget how you said it,

but you said something about like, God, you're going to have to be real. You have to be real, right? Be who you say you are. Yeah, and all of a sudden, we jumped into things, but what was that process like for you? Like, was it that he showed up right away that day,

or was it a slow, gradual thing? And, like, how did you get to a point where God's talking to you and saying, you know, this is what's going on? you're now a soldier, you know, like it's crazy. So in the Bible, you know, Jesus says he who is faithful in a little will be faithful and much. At first, when I was, when I converted, it was, I thought I was going to die quickly afterwards anyway because I was not, I was not sleeping much.

I was not experiencing very good health. And like so, like not experiencing good health in the sense that like I didn't feel strong. I didn't feel like I was capable of moving forward in some things. And like so when I was growing up and watching my family be torn apart, you know, and I was a Christian, I remember I was I was you know my my dad always explained it he's like you were five going on 35 like I had a very strong sense that like okay I'm here for something in particular don't know what it is and it's like I would see these things and you know no one no one really took it any kind of serious you know it's like I would see these entities constantly and it wasn't even until just recently

that my older brother told me that he saw some of the same stuff and we had never talked about until a few years ago. You know, it's like, for instance, we were sharing a room, we were, I don't know, I might have been five or some, you know, five, six, something like that. My experience and perception of time is difficult. So, you know, anyone who's listening will have to forgive me

if I get the dates wrong. But, you know, there was a point, like I said, we grew up in what I call a haunted house. You know, it's like we'd have stuff, you know, different objects and stuff like that, appear, we would have, you know, knocks and banging and, and, you know, just odd, odd entities hanging around. And there was a night where we were, you know, we had bunk beds and we were trying to sleep and we both look up. There's a, of all things, a Scooby-Doo poster on the wall, right?

both of us look at it and it is moving and distorting and there's, you know, maniacal, evil-looking faces in it and it's almost kind of like this melted ice cream twisting in it. Neither of us said anything to each other about it until just a few years ago. You know, we were just talking about how the house was haunted and whatever. And he's like, wait, you saw that too? Like, you're telling me that you saw that? So there's always been stuff like that that's kind of followed me around. You know, it's like there was, I don't know, like a period in my life where I went from being a Christian walking with God, you know, as a kid growing up in the church.

When my parents' marriage fell apart, I was angry and hurt and confused. And I walked away. I'm like, okay, there's no way. You know, it's like because I not only saw their marriage fall apart, I saw the church turn on us. And we became almost like pariahs or outcasts, you know. Because of the marriage falling apart? Yeah. And maybe I'm just, you know, looking into things too much.

But that's at least what it seemed like and what it felt like at the time. So I had a period of time where, you know, I was trying to figure out some of this stuff. And it's like, so even when I wasn't walking with God, I would see. these shadow figures would walk around constantly. There was a point where, you know, I was, we were driving down, going to school, and I look out the window and, like, I just blink and the whole world is on fire, right? Like there's just, there's fire in the streets. The people sitting in front of me are on fire.

But the fire's not burning anything. It's just over everything. It's on the mountains. It's on the car. It's on everything. I look down. It's on myself. And I blink again and it's gone.

right um you know so there's there's been stuff like that constantly in my life there was there was even a point um i was living at a friend's house i think i was 16 or something like that and i was walking home um one night which i i frequently did at that point in my life like i would i would walk the four to six miles or whatever everywhere um and and i was walking home it was midnight night or something like that. And there was a point where coming up out of town, there's no more street lights and it's just dark. And normally it didn't bother me that much, right? Like I would walk into it. There's always some level of apprehension. It wasn't like a fear of the dark. It was a fear of what was in the dark. This particular night, I don't know what it was in particular that stopped me.

But like I got up to the point where the street lights ended and I knew that if I went further, it was going to end badly for me. There was like these entities that would circle me in the darkness. And I remember at that point, I even had to, I called my mom. I'm like, hey, I need you to come pick me up. I didn't explain to her why. I just said, like, I can't do this walk right now. And to her credit, she did.

I'm very grateful that she did. And she just drove me up to where I was staying and it was fine. But like, I don't know what it was that stopped me. It was just like I couldn't do it, you know? And so, like, I've had these experiences. And so I went through a brief time of being a self-proclaimed atheist, which I think is probably the dumbest idea that people can have is like, oh, yeah, this stuff doesn't exist.

I'm like, yes, it does. I'm like, you know, you just look at the evidence in general, and there's enough common experience that you can't definitively say that it doesn't exist, right? It's like, so I went from that and was consistently challenged on it enough that I'm like, you know, okay, maybe there is this other stuff. I don't know what to do with it, though. So I was agnostic for a much longer period of time. And in that space, you know, growing up and even to that point, like I didn't have normal dreams the way that people describe them. Like, I never had like just weird stuff where like an elephant walks into the room. And it's, you know, growing up and even to that point, like, I didn't have normal dreams the way that people describe them. Like, I never had like, just weird stuff where like an elephant walks into the room. And it's, you know, tap dancing or any sort of thing like that. It was, they were all very intense, very realistic to the point where I could feel things in it, smell things in it, you know, strong recollection. And I was always fighting for my life when I was a kid, right? As I got older, it progressed into like what, what I've heard described as night terrors, right? Where I was doing

horrible things in my dreams outside of my own will. Like my body was controlled and used, but I was not in control of it, right? And so like going from that, you know, like the

Legion, or I'm sorry, the entity that I described is Legion, right? That's what the Hatman is a representation of. Is that your interpretation or is that? Yeah, that's mine. So like I could be wrong. So it's not revelation.

that God gave you or anything like that? No, no, it's just a parallel because this particular entity that typically is only seen as this silhouette of like a tall man with a hat on. I'm like, I've seen what that entity looks like behind the shadow, right? And it's like it's,

and I can quantify it because I know that I've talked to other people who have had the same experience with what happens because it's around them, right? And so this, this entity it doesn't have a tongue

so it can't like say anything explicit but it will whisper things to you right it seeks to invade your dreams to steal what's good and in that space it starts whispering you know things that are like

you're such a terrible person you're a failure you know whatever just just very self-depreciating type stuff its goal is to get you to unalive yourself and join them in these like catacombs that they live in, right? It's like a place, it's underground. It's like you got all these different pathways that are in it and all these different case, but there's just this horde of these entities that are all this one, right?

It's like, and so I was asking God what to do about it one day, and I was going through one of the Gospels. and you know when Jesus casts out the demons and they go into the pigs where it made a connection to me was that first thing what do the pigs do as soon as the entities are inside of them they rush to the cliff right why do they do that from a man is it I'm like because they they immediately unalive themselves right it's like so is like is that a

representation of what this entity does right um and there was you know these these two guys that they were cast out of you know it was um they were cutting themselves they were mad they had this insane strength they were howling all night you know it's like and hanging out in this dead place right in the in the tombs and so the the demons are cast out they go into the pigs and they immediately rush themselves off the cliff and into the sea it's like why would they do that you know it's like so i'm i'm not saying that it is necessarily this particular entity, but it's the name that I've given it for ease of explanation. I mean, it kind of makes sense in the, and just in the definition where it's like,

we are legend for we are many, you know, and it's like, well, there are many hatmen. Like, like, the idea is like, there are so many people who have experiences with a hatman that are repeatable. People have these experiences and it's like you can almost predict what they're going to say. It kind of makes sense in that manner. Yeah, and the people that deal with Hatman,

it's like when does Hatman show up? You know, it's like they wake up in the middle of the night and Hatman's standing there. Or they're, you know, walking around and they aren't sleeping because they're plagued by these nightmares. They deal with sleep paralysis. They deal with night terrors. They deal with, you know, it's all this stuff

that directly relates to their dreams and it makes their waking life hellish, you know. So anyway, a point I'm getting to is that I had a period of time where that was my experience with the world. And it drained the life out of, and the vibrancy out of everything, right? It's like so I was, I was, yeah, I used to call it the cardboard world.

Everything looked like cardboard. Everything felt like cardboard. Everything tasted like cardboard. Like everything was like cardboard. Was this when you were a kid? This is when I was, gosh, late teenage years, early 20. So this is before the whole thing of where you're at. Before conversion.

So what was looking like a cardboard then? Everything. Like here? Yeah. Interesting. Everything was like cardboard. There was no vibrancy in it. And it's like, you know, basically I use cardboard as a way to describe it.

Like it was dry. It was flimsy. It was tasteless. stale. It didn't have anything really of value or worth that you wanted from it. And everything was like that. And so when I converted, I was so sick of the cardboard world. And I told God, I'm like, all right, I'm like, I'm going to give it one more chance.

I'm going to give you my only shot left. I'm like, I'm putting all my hope in you. And I had nothing held back. I'm like, you can do whatever you want. I just need purpose. I need you to be real. And so, like, the first bit of my conversion was me trying to reconcile myself to these experiences that I had for my whole life and to reconcile myself to the questions that I thought were

like these big issues with Christianity, you know? And in that, like, I was not sleeping a whole bunch. I was spending as much time as I could praying and writing in different journals and stuff like that about the stuff that I was going through. And that's where God started showing up. Like for instance, there was this one morning, I don't know how long it had been afterwards, but I started hearing him respond to me, right? Started hearing him talk to me. And it really threw me for a loop. it's like a lot of the times he would talk in different ways it's like sometimes it was the song

that came on sometimes it was a journal entry it's just like all the sudden i'd be writing something not like automatic writing you know i don't i don't want people to confuse it but like i would write something and i could look at it and go that didn't come from me because i don't write that way right like the style is very different the the whole thing is is very different um and and so it's like you know going through a lot of stuff like that you know i would was trying to figure out what it meant to be a Christian, what it meant to walk with God. And I remember sitting there going, you know, I would look at how the church today, at least in America operates. And I would look at these things that were happening to me. And it seemed like

such a night and day difference because the stuff that I was experiencing, while I could find instances of it in the Bible, I couldn't find instances of it in the church. And I was like, okay, well, what do I do with this? You know, it's like, because if this is not from God, then I don't want it. I don't want to give credence to it. I don't want to tell people about it. Whatever. It's like, so I had a period of like two years where I didn't tell anybody what was going on at all. If they asked anything, I'd just tell them like, I've been talking to God and that's it. And so, not even your wife? No, not even my wife. Wow. And, you know, it's like you could, you could see signs, but like there was, there was very little

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And so, like, in that space, like, I had things happen where I was, you know, I typically would go to bed at like midnight and I'd wake up at like 3 a.m. And I'd spend time, you know, as many hours as I could with God before I went to work. And there was one morning, like, I was, I was so exhausted. I just could not stay awake. And I wanted to go through the book of John. And I was getting ready to go into it. and I could not keep my eyes awake. And I remember I was asleep.

And God read the Bible to me. Right? Like I, and I, like, I'm the first few chapters of John, like, it's, it's being read to me as I'm asleep. I wake up and I'm like, okay, let me just check that to make sure that that's actually what I was legitimately hearing. Word for word. Really? Word for word. That's what I heard.

Wow. And I was at that point, I'm like, okay, I can trust that God is here with me. He's taking care of this. And I was, you know, experiencing, you know, you could call it portal jumping or whatever, like being in these other places and trying to figure out what to do with it. And because I was in this other, you know, in the second heaven so much, I was not expecting to survive it. You know what I mean? and and you know that that movement away from the dark stuff like when when people tell me that

that Jesus saves them like you know for instance that guy you were talking about a little while ago I don't want to say details or whatever if you're keeping it close but you know he had a conversion from Satanism to God right it's like when you get involved in that dark stuff Jesus will save you, but you have to do the work to put in the steps, right? So where I was in that place, you know, I had spent a long enough time in rebellion and walking away from God that I had gotten myself into a deep, dark hit, basically, right? And in order to get away from that, it was a long, really difficult and scary process, right? It's like, and as I was moving away from it, I trusted that God had me and he was fighting these battles.

But like, you can't expect to just, you know, be involved in that dark stuff, have a conversion and then have nothing happened to you at all anymore. And just all of a sudden you're this like happy go lucky person, whatever. I'm like, that's not realistic, right? So the first few years of my conversion was just me trying to figure out what in the world do I do with all this dark stuff that's, that's, you know, easily you could look at and go, this is trying to kill me. and so I'm walking through this stuff. I'm learning a whole bunch of stuff. I'm studying cryptids. I'm studying paranormal stuff.

I'm studying different occult philosophy and like some of this other stuff and looking at the Bible and weighing everything against the Bible to figure out, I'm like, okay, if this is real, where does it show it in the Bible? And as I'm going through the Bible, some things are confirmed, some things are not. And it's like, so I can discard the lies and hold on to the truth. Right. And so it was a solid few years of that. within that time frame, there was a experience I had.

I was out, you know, out on a hike and I was no longer like there. Like I was in both places, right? And I look up and like there's this, it looked like a ghost town basically. And everything is kind of like wrapped in this billowing shadow. And I'm seeing people in it and some are just, consumed in this shadow. Some are fairly like neutral and gray looking. And then there's a few people who are just consumed in this like electric blue fire where it's not burning them or hurting them, but they're like consumed in it. And as I'm walking, I'm trying to figure out what's going on

with that. And the Lord's like those people who are consumed with that fire are, um, okay, were you hearing voices? Yeah. Okay. I was just making sure it was, it was a studio. It was okay. It sounded like it. All right. It was ladies next door. Okay. Gosh. I was, we were talking about this stuff. I'm just like, wait a second. Am I being shifted with them right now? Yeah, no, so there's this, you know, I'm seeing all these people. I'm seeing this blue fire consuming people.

And the Lord told me he's like, these are people who are alive in the spirit, right? Like they are, they have an an anointing of the Holy Spirit over them. They're walking. Like, that's what they're doing. The people who are consumed in shadow, it's gotten to a point where like it feels really, tragic to me to see it because I know that I was in that place once, right? You're directly combating them, right? It's like they're agents of darkness, whether consciously or unconsciously, you know,

in their lifestyle and the stuff they do. And so as I continue on this walk, you know, I look up and I see, you know, in the book of Joshua, it talks about how the angel of Lord went and fought back. for the Israelites, right? And I look up and I see the angel of the Lord, which in my understanding is a pre-incarnate picture of Jesus, right? And I see him standing there and I see him fighting these battles against these Nephilim giants. And it's like his sword is this electric blue and every time he swings it. It's like there's like this whirlwind of razors and these things are just like exploding, you know what I mean, in front of him. And he's standing.

there and he turns and he looks at me and and I can't hold his gaze which I'm proud to say I look down at myself and at the time I had no tattoos and I looked down at myself and I see all these different tattoos on myself but they're moving and they are you know like just working I don't know they're just on my skin and like what I see is a like a panther pelt on my left arm, right? And it's got runes around it. And I look on my right arm and there's like this dark forest there. I look on my left leg.

And I think the way I described it was that there's a nightmare bog to tread on my left leg. And I look down on my chest. And there's this like flying shadowy raven. And so all of the tattoos that I have are representative. of that because when I ask God what that meant, he's like, there will be trials that you will go through where I'm bringing you up against these entities and I will get you through it, right? Like you will fight these battles. And so, like, for instance, your Nunoz was the trial of the dark forest, right?

That's this one. You know, it's like I have, you know, this feather and stuff like that on my left arm. It's like that was this, it was like this Panther entity that I came up. up against. The trial of, I call it the dead swamp, I just recently went through it and I think it's done. I'm not 100% sure. But, you know, so the next tattoo I get will be this big leg piece where it'll be like this nightmare bog where it's like the entity that I came up against is day gone as far as I understand, right? Like the fish god of the, it's not the Philippines, no, no, it's the Philistines.

There we go. The fish got of the Philistines, Daygone. And then the last one, you know, this tattoo of the raven, like, I have that one on my chest. And it's like I was given permission to get that tattoo. Because with all of them, I ask the Lord, you know, because there will be some Christians that say like, oh, yeah, well, you're not supposed to get tattoos. There you go. There's a direct contradiction. I'm like, no, not necessarily, right?

I'm like because you also look at stuff like God told you not to uncover yourself in nakedness and he had Isaiah walk around naked for three years. You know, it's like so there's stuff that he will do. It doesn't contradict. He's giving a special assignment to those things, right? And so these tattoos that I have are not like the way that I think about it. Like, it is a statement to the spiritual world, to the entities in it, to be like, this is what I've gone through. This is what I've prevailed over because God has prevailed.

So they're like, you know, like a sergeant would have multiple bands. It's like an armor piece that you wear that shows your rank and what you've been through, right? And so the next one that I'm going to get is it'll be a big leg piece, right? It's like, but the last one that I have on my chest, I had permission to get it early because I won't deal with that entity until the final confrontation with it until the end of my life, right? As far as I'm aware, and I could be wrong, but I don't know if I will be or not. And so that particular one, as far as I understand, its name is Malthus, right? It's a, I think like the third level general or something like that in hell. Like I looked it up one time.

It was a long time ago. But it's it appears as an old man at times. It's the one that I refer to as the shaman. It's the one that appears as a raven. You know, it very, very strong. And it runs a lot of things. And so, like, a lot of the stuff that I'm dealing with are proxies that it sends first, right? If that makes sense.

But so these particular trials that I go through, you know, it's like I don't know how long they'll be when I enter into them. Like the trial of the dark forest lasted for like six to eight months, something like that. You know, it's like, and it was almost a year, maybe 18 months, something like that before the Panther. which is the left arm started. And it's like, so based on these different tattoos and what God showed me in that, I knew kind of what to expect, like what sort of attacks I would be dealing with, what sort of, you know, warfare there would be. And it's like, and so when I start these trials,

it's either that God gives me a sense like, hey, you're going into this, just, you know, be aware of it. Or it's like I will see the entity directly. And, you know, it's like there's two that are geographical in nature and two that are just entity-based in nature. Like they don't have a geographical location that goes along with them. And so a lot of my walk with God has been trying to learn and trying to figure out what's going on, trying to walk in the way that the Bible tells us to where we're sharing the gospel, where we're willing to do that. and it's like the ministry work that I've done has been primarily to lost sheep,

people who have been close to God and walked away, right? And talking to them and explaining this stuff and answering some of their questions. And, you know, there's just like, there's a variety of different stuff. So it's like you can be both and, right? Like this dark stuff that I deal with, I think everybody in the kingdom of heaven, you know, Christian has a responsibility to, engage in spiritual warfare, right? Like there's, but at the same point, like you have all these different types of soldiers in the army, right? Like, you have some people that are responsible for making sure

there's food. You know, it's like, and there's, you know, for every special forces unit, there's like 900 guys who are the support unit behind them, right? It's like, so not everybody is going to have this same type of walk. And to be honest, like, I don't think that you should want it necessarily either, right? if you find yourself in it, you know, it's like definitely don't, don't run away from it. However, I'm like seeking it and desiring it, you know, if you're a cook in the army, you know, you don't want to be out on the front lines. Like, it'll, it'll wreck you, right? Yeah. It's like, so, you know, it's important to accept where you're at. And so for me, the experience

that I've had has been like trench warfare for the most part, right? Like I've, I've been assigned a particular job in in god's army where I'm dealing directly with these entities and battling these principalities and and spirits and entities in the second heaven right it's like and um and I'm still not 100% sure what that means for me and like what that looks like I have enough experience at this point that I have some handle on what to expect and what stuff feels like and you know it's like um yeah and I know that there will be times and seasons where different stuff is more on the focus, right? And, you know, like there was, there was a period of time, you know, talking about that expansion, right? And, and oras and whatever. Like, I, I experienced

synesthesia. What's that? You see colors that aren't there in, sometimes it's in music or whatever, but, like, I will see, you know, just like, walked into the house at one point one day, and there was like this bright pink electric color that just kind of swept across the floor and then it was gone, right? It's like stuff that's, that is, the colors themselves are very different. Like they're electric, they have this particular nature about them. And it's something you can look at the Bible and you can confirm it. Like, yeah, all these colors mean something, right? They're all representative of something.

It's like, so it doesn't mean that they're not valid or that they're sent from the enemy or something like that. It just means that you have to look at it and then go interpret it and go search the Bible and figure out what's going on. Talking about how the Lord has taught me a little bit about that expansion process. It's like I was going through a period where I was praying and asking God. He's like, I want you to close your eyes and just try to picture what's in front of you and overlay it while your eyes are closed. And I want you to be able to see it as if you're eyes are open when they're closed, right? Because when I close my eyes, the static is still there, right?

It's still over everything. That's why, like, when I'm praying and I'm working on spiritual warfare in some sense, like it helps me to be able to close my eyes because I can see things. It's basically like turning off one screen so you can focus on the other one, you know? And there was this period where I was doing that. And it was like this orange like waves swept out in front of me and overlaid everything. And it went on for like 100 yards. And that was something God's like, okay, what you're doing is you are practicing the expansion that I'm asking you to do.

Right. It's like so you can see things in it. So you can move things, you know, like move in it without having to be there physically. Right. It's like, so I'm not entirely sure if that makes tons of sense. But, you know, so you were asking about like how I know what it is that I'm doing. You know, it's like, God's given me some words. And like, one of them, he's like, I made you to be able to walk in both worlds at the same time.

Right. He's like, and the experience that I've had has been a direct confrontation with the enemy and these entities. And I've seen real results from it. Like, there was, um, it's, it's a painful story. Like, I lost my best friend to spiritual warfare. Um, he died just about three years ago. And, um, and it was the direct result of a confrontation I had with a particular entity. Um, and, and, you know, so like, I say that to tell people that this stuff is real and that you

will see real world effects from dealing with it. And if you're not careful or prepared to pay that price, then you should definitely not be seeking after it. Right. It's like so my, my best friend at, you know, at that point, like let me, if you don't mind taking a bathroom break real quick. Yeah, that's fine. And then I'll get into it. You read my mom's I need to as well. so we're back from the bathroom break. And I have, I've been coming, because you were talking about spiritual warfare and how people, you know, Christians, you know,

are called to participate, right? Yeah. That's something I've been very keenly understanding more and more recently. But I've also noticed that there is a spiritual warfare element to this show. and certain particular episodes that we are gearing up to do, which we kind of hit on in beginning with the technology issues.

But even like I've noticed that, I've noticed that when I start feeling a certain physical way, like either sickness or lethargic, it usually mirrors into, I really don't feel like doing this. And I learned this years ago, whenever that starts happening, usually it's because it's an interview I'm supposed to be doing. And I learned the hard way because that happened to me the week I was supposed to interview Heiser. Okay.

And I canceled on him. And then he got cancer and passed away. But I had migraines and it was really a bad time. And I just started learning these patterns, right? Yeah. And even Todd Coconado was here, I think last week. He's a pastor in Nashville. He was in Hollywood and, you know, child TV kid and stuff like that. And he even said, coming out here, he said he experienced some strong spiritual warfare. And he said he almost called to say he couldn't make it. And I was like, I'm glad you came anyways because it definitely was because there's been several people who, I've had on the show recently that it was my second or third time going around with them because they were canceling on me. And it was like there was something happening, right? And so there is definitely a strong spiritual warfare. And like, you know, the reason why we're talking about this is because when you first got here today, I woke up this morning with a sore throat. I started

feeling it coming on late last night. And sure enough, I woke up this morning. I was like, oh, man. And like my energy is zapped. And I was top. And I was just like, oh, gosh, why did they, you know? And then as you started talking, I was like, man, feeling pretty good right now. You know, I'm kind of, I feel like I'm getting back my zone. I still feel in my throat, but, you know, my voice is holding up and things like that. So there is a real spiritual warfare element that does roll over into this physical creation. And that's kind of where you kind of left off with a lot of this stuff is because you were saying, how you were engaging in spiritual warfare that had a direct interaction and repercussion on a friend of yours.

What happened there? Well, okay, so this was a good buddy of mine. I'd met him at work, you know, about a year before my conversion. And we worked as a team. We were movers, and we moved furniture every, you know, six days a day. or six days a week together for upwards of close to 12 hours a day most days. And, you know, so we got very familiar with each other. We got to be really good friends.

And we had changed jobs together because we got an opportunity to do that because of the moving work that we had done. And while we were at that job is when I converted. And in the process of that conversion, like, you know, he could tell that something was off with me and he asked me what was up. And I just told him, like, I feel like I'm going nuts and just talking to God a bunch. And, you know, it gave him some pause. It's like, he told me, he's like, I thought you were nuts, but I don't really think so.

You know, it's just he took me seriously, which was just kind of the person that he was. But, you know, so we, you know, our wise or good friends and like, you know, just like we were kind of this whole unit. it where we were, you know, just planning on doing businesses together and raising kids together and like, you know, just kind of being close enough that we could do that stuff. And so he ends up moving down with his family to Texas. And I was, you know, not terribly stoked about the idea, but, you know, whatever, it was, it was what it was. And I remember I had, when they moved a strong inclination that he wasn't coming back from Texas. Like he would never be moving back to Colorado, right? And I wept over it, you know, when they left. And, you know, I was praying to God

asking for his protection and for his help and that sort of stuff over him. And about a, I don't know, it might have been a year later or something like that. I was in the middle of a fast. And God gave me a vision. He was coming up to town for his birthday. We typically would go camping on his birthday. It was in July, so it was a good time for it. And so it was June or July, something like that. And so early in June, I was in the middle of this fast,

and I was just hanging out, praying one night, and God gives me this vision that when my, buddy comes up, I'm going to baptize him and lead him to the Lord. And I didn't tell him about it. Because I wasn't sure, like I didn't want to manipulate anything. You know what I mean? And so he came up. You know, we ended up talking. And I remember I told God, I'm like, you know, I was telling him about Jesus and stuff that was different in my life. And I was explaining some of the stuff that, you know, they were having a real hard time with a lot of stuff. I'm like, dude, that's spiritual warfare. I'm like, this is what's going on. And, um, and he ends up coming to the Lord

and I baptize him. And, um, you know, I remember the morning before, you know, we were getting ready to go do that. And I told the Lord, I'm like, if this is not of you, then, you know, make sure it does not happen. This is, this has got to be your leading. Like, I have no power or capability in myself to go and do this. Um, and, and it ended up happening, right? And so, It was definitely a bit of a high point. Like, that's, that's one of the high points in my life, for sure, is getting the honor to be there for that and to do that. And there immediately started a, what I call a spiritual storm.

The mountains, like everything felt false, right? Like everyone seemed, you know, kind of paranoid dealing with anxiety. like there was just this particular chaotic disturbance that was that was in the air right and i remember like i was you know it and it lasted about three weeks um i was praying against it you know trying to figure out what was going on and the morning before all all this kind of goes down like i'm looking up at the mountains there's this one particular spot um that's that's just these white chalky cliffs right and it's limestone in the middle of all this granite, right? And I look up and there's like this vortex that opens up over it, right?

And from a different, you know, vision that I had gotten at one point, the Lord told me, he's like, that's where the ancients who lived in this area would do their rituals because they thought it's where the thunderbird touched down from the sky, right? And so I saw this vortex opening up over it. And I, you know, it had been like three weeks of this just weird pervasive energy that was kind of going on. Felt like every, you know, like it's similar to what it feels like when you're in a room that's full of smoke, you know, just kind of heavy, hard to get a deep breath. There's just something off about it, right? And so I'm watching some of these different things happen and just trying to pay attention to the signs that are going down.

And it seems like all of the other Christians that I know that I'm talking to, they're dealing with. experiencing the same sort of stuff like just this heaviness this impending doom type anxiety feeling um you know and and so i my dog starts getting just this weird issue where like all the sudden she's limping all the sudden she can't walk and um that went on for like a week and i i remember going out to pray one night because i was i'm like i'm not willing to just let this happen you know um and and you know people might laugh that i'm going out and praying for a dog I'm sitting there and I'm asking God to heal my dog, you know, asking him to cut off anything that might be affecting her and, you know, because she's getting worse. It's like she's starting to like not eat anything. And at the time, she's like six, I think. So she's young. And prior to that spiritual storm kind of starting, she had tons of energy, was super, you know, super normal. And so I'm praying against this. And I see in front of me, you know, it's like I had done a whole bunch of stuff. you know, anointed my property and done a whole bunch of stuff.

And I look up and I see on the fringes, there's kind of this like flitting going on, right? What was it called? What did you say? Flitting? Yeah, like, just like almost like when you see someone ducking behind a corner, you know what I mean? Or like trying to hide real quick.

And so I start praying against it, you know, and asking God, I'm like, okay, whatever that is, reveal it. And this little entity kind of moves back and forth. and it's like it looks like a cartoon dancing flame almost you know what i mean like it's it's like that size and it's kind of moving that way and then all of a sudden like it ducks behind um this house that's across the street and i'm praying and asking god to um to reveal it because it it gets like i don't know it's like i get zoned in on it and it gets really intense like um you know how like when you get adrenaline like your your tear ducts leak and that sort of stuff like i'm crying

but i'm not crying because of of anything other than just like adrenaline like I feel this thing. It's almost like there's just this pulsing in the air. And as it comes out from behind the corner and is forced to reveal itself, it's like this black cloud that looks like the eye of a hurricane. And out of it is coming these flashes of just like this chaotic red lightning. And I start really praying against it. And it's trying to move forward. And like I feel it pushing, trying to move forward. And I ask God, I'm like, okay, give me the name so I can rebuke this. And the name that he gave me was that it was the beast of the crawling chaos. And so it's trying to move forward. And I know, like, I can't, like, I didn't hear anything.

And like, I just, I just have this innate sense that if it were to get into the house, myself and my, my whole family would die, right? Like, we would, we would be, you know, like, call it random heart attacks. Like, I don't know what, what would have happened directly, but like we would not have survived. And I rebuke this thing and it takes a good bit of time. A couple of hours, I'm sitting there just praying against it and resisting it pushing forward. And I remember when it finally leaves, it goes south and I have a contact. He's like my spiritual father and he lives down in Texas.

I figured it was going after him. the next morning wake up my dog is back to normal has no issues and you know stuff seems like it's going to be all right and that night we get a call and my buddy

was in a car accident and died and the entity went south it went to Texas and it had been extremely dry and it showed up as like this thunderstorm

storm and and my buddy was um you know driving and hydroplained on this apparently a notorious corner for it um and uh got into a head-on collision and died later in the hospital and um and that one yeah it still hurts but like it was i knew that it was because this entity had gone down there and i can like i don't have any definitive evidence i can point to you to say like yeah this is you know, scientific evidence, here's a printout or whatever, but like,

um, talking to his wife and in days after that or weeks after that, whatever, it's like there was, um, a couple of violent crimes, like murders that happened that night. And there was like three other car accidents and the storm went and it was

resting over that and then it left, right? Um, that was three weeks after my buddy, um, converted and was baptized. And, um,

you know, going through that and dealing with the ramifications of it was extremely difficult. You know, like the attack didn't stop there. You know, it's like it, that was the flashpoint. And I say that so that people are aware that like this stuff has ramifications that are real. You know, it's like you might lose friends and family to this. Like you might lose things that you don't want to, you know, because of the conflict that you're in. the enemy hates you you know like hates all of us like wants to see us dead and if it if he can't

get at us then he'll go after the weakest link um and and try to cause pain try to cause suffering you know and um and so when when that entity failed to get myself and my family it went and it got my best friend um and so you know like i and i remember that night there's there's a connection point here that I haven't heard anywhere else before, but I find it interesting. After I had rebuked that thing, you know, the Lord told me, he's like, okay, go inside, I got you, like, don't, you know, you don't need to be out here anymore tonight. I look up in the sky, thunderboard, or thunderbird flies across the sky, right? And it doesn't look the way that, that a lot of people would think it looks a lot like a taradactal, right? Like it's got kind of

that leathery skin. It doesn't have any hair or whatever. but it flies across the sky. And then after that, it's like that summer up there was one of the wettest that, like, I've lived in that area of Colorado for the majority of my life, right? Like for 20-some years. And from, you know, you typically get two or three weeks of monsoon season in like July, right? And it's like, and that's the most moisture that you get. That entire summer was, from that point,

point on, it was raining at least once a day, if not twice a day. It was like one of the wettest that we've ever had, like with this, you know, just the storms rolling through. And, you know, it was a connection point where God told me, he's like, okay, so you saw this vortex. It was a portal being opened up over the mountains. You saw this thunderbird after dealing with this entity. And it had been this kind of storm, this pervasive feeling for like three weeks, right? the connection point was that cryptids are a almost almost like a supercharger right like to these entities they they work directly under them it's like and so when they come in they give it a boost right so that they can do more more stuff right is kind of how i think about it and so like and you can point to things that that would show that same pattern like for instance mothman is typically followed by huge amounts of It's a UFO interaction, right? And within that, people go off on this whole rabbit hole.

And like, I don't know if you've ever read the mothman prophecies, but, you know, he has a chapter in there where he talks about, you know, he's been researching this stuff for years. And he's like, this stuff is not physical. I'm like, it is spiritual in nature. He's like, the people that are going off, there's these patterns and recognitions where they see this mothman and all of a sudden they get all involved in this super crazy alien stuff. They're getting these phone calls from nobody. where they're talking to these, you know, entities or aliens or whatever you want to call it. And, and, you know, it's like they're, sorry, that was me. I see.

They are essentially led down a path of destruction where, like, their family is destroyed or their business is destroyed or whatever. It's like, and they go off in like this kind of crazy mindset where they're just chasing these aliens, right? and taking all of their life direction from like these random phone calls that they get from aliens, right? It's like in the men in black are following them around. There's like a whole bunch of stuff

that kind of correlates with it. And so it's like the entities when they show up, these cryptids are in conjunction with, you know, the forces of darkness. Like they work within it

to supercharge the attacks that the enemy sends, right, is how I understand it, at least in my experience. That's interesting. I mean, the idea of them working together, something that has been around for a while as far as the connection of Bigfoot sightings and the balls of light, you know? Yeah. That's something that I don't know who originally came up with that. I know Wes had, from Sasquatch Chronicles, had asked that years ago to some people, you know, because he started noticing a pattern. he was the originator of it or what, but like he started noticing a pattern where when people

have these big foot encounters, they often have, especially if it's on their property, they have balls of light that are also there. And so you're saying they kind of almost like work together. Yeah. At least they can. You know, it's like there's, the idea of cryptids to me is really fascinating because like there's, there seems to be two different categories to it, right? Like there's people who say that it's a purely physical creature and there's people who say that it's metaphysical. I'm like, well, why can't it be both? Because you have two different distinct types of sightings and experiences that people have. And it's like when I first started studying cryptids, you know, I was, I maybe had a thought that maybe Bigfoot existed or whatever.

And I didn't realize there was dog man and there was moth man and there was all this other stuff. And I remember I was going into it. And I, you know, huge shout out to Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles because like, dude, I'm telling you, I spent probably three or four months listening to just episodes after episodes on his show, like just going through it. And I was asking God, I'm like, okay, like, you're showing me all this stuff. Like, you're having me listen to Wes's show. And I'm like, what am I supposed to be seeing here? And, you know, because what it started feeling like is after a time, all of the sightings and experiences and stuff that people were talking about it, it just seemed really, um, almost like repetitive. And I think that's because it is, right? And I'm not saying that like as a slam on West or anything like that or as a way to discount what people experience with Bigfoot. I'm saying that there's a pattern there, right?

And when I started really studying it, and I was asking God about it, he told me, he's like, what does a detective do when he goes into a room full of people and they all purported to see the same thing? I'm like, how does he know which people are telling the truth and which people are lying? Say there's 100 people in there, right? How do you know which people are telling the truth and which people are lying? You have to start getting the stories from every single one of those people. You have to start establishing a pattern, right?

Saying like, okay, this person was seeing it from this perspective, but these are the timeline of events that happened with it, right? And this person saw the same thing, same timeline of events, same things that aligned together, but it's from a different perspective, right? It's like he might have seen it from the balcony and this other guy saw it from the floor. You know, it's like, so you start going through and you start drawing all these connections. And so you have a reasonable ability to throw out the weird fringe stuff, you know, that could be made up. It's like it's a way to kind of filter stuff so that way you have a good idea of what is actually true, at least something that you can work with, you know?

Like I'm not saying that all the all the fringe experiences that people go through are not true. I'm just saying that like if you're looking at it as a pattern or a unit, you can't include it in the evidence because it throws in odd stuff, right? that doesn't make tons of sense. And so, you know, as you're going through it, like, that's what I started doing with cryptids. It was like, it was Bigfoot, and then, you know, Dogman started coming up in West's show. And I'm just like, okay, so all this stuff's starting to go on. The Lord has me go through the book, The Mothman prophecies. And, like, you know, I'm just starting to connect all these dots.

And I'm like, okay, well, what is really going on here? You know, it's like, cryptids are of two different sorts. And, like, you know, there's still questions that I have that I don't have the answers to. you know and like I say I don't I don't have any ability to say any of this definitively you know like I wouldn't go argue with people and say like you're wrong you know if you have a different opinion or something I would just say like well okay this is what I've noticed and this is what I've experienced I'm like have you thought about this you know it's like how would you make this work into that theory you know and so because it's you know the cryptids are so much of a

metaphysical entity, right? Like there was, I can't remember if it was your show or somewhere else, but there's like a... If it was good, it was my show. Yeah. There was a guy that came on and he has like a ranch up in Minnesota. And he has all these Bigfoot experiences going on. Oh, that's pretty creatures. Okay, okay.

With Roger. Sounds right. Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, he's going through all this stuff and talking about all this stuff. And, and, you know, it's like, so he's talking about things that are starting to pop up that I've, I've heard in other places. But it's like, okay, so there's these big foots. And it was like the particular spot where I thought it was really interesting, he was talking about like going into the woods and then like everything like changed and moved. And he saw, you know, big foot's coming out.

It's like, okay, so these things can interact physically, right? But they're also metaphysical. I'm like, and when they're, they're no longer here, they're traveling into the second heaven. It's like, that's why they're radioactive. That's why they're, you know, able to do things. That's why there's stuff like mind speak that is a part of them, right? It's like, and if you look at it from a biblical perspective, you know, there's the idea that as it was in the days of Noah, so it'll be in the days of the coming of the son of man. I'm like, okay, well, what were the days of Noah like?

It's like, and there's people who are like, oh, well, it just means the world is full of sin. I'm like, yeah, okay, there's that. But what else was a definitive feature? You know, it's like the Genesis 6 narrative where it talks about how there's giants and Nephilim walking on the earth and the mingled seed of Satan that's mixed in with everything else. It's like Noah was found to be perfect in his generations, right? Like if you look at the Hebrew, it talks about that. And okay, so like in generations, does that mean his bloodline wasn't corrupted? Does that mean that he was sinless?

I'm like, it doesn't mean he wasn't, you know, he didn't have sin. it just means that he was perfect in his DNA, right? Like in his generations. And so all these things that are coming out, like I don't know if you've noticed it, but like it seems to me like there is a huge influx, a huge amount of increase, I guess, in these sightings and these dealing with cryptids,

you know, where there didn't used to be. And I don't know if that's simply because we have social media and the ability for everybody to communicate, and it's no longer as taboo of a subject. You know, it's kind of become a cultural icon where people, like, are really into this stuff. Or if it's because, you know, as we're getting closer to the end times, right? Like, and we're walking in them.

We're starting to see these things come up. You know, it's like I think the Bible talks about them in multiple places. But I think one of the areas that we could expect to see them coming forward is that these are, you know, it talks about how Genesis 6, the fallen angels came down, they corrupted all of all of creation, right? So what's to say? They weren't mixing the DNA and the genetics of a dog with a man and making this entity, like a dog man sort of thing, you know, it's like, or an ape and a man or some sort of

flying creature thing with a man. You know, it's like, so my point just being is that I think that as we see an increase in these things, right? I'm like, I think we will also see a correlation and an increase of direct confrontations and that as these things are moving in and out of the second heaven and the third heaven here, we're going to see more direct confrontation with them. And so, like, there's, like, I've been studying Kabbalah lately, which is not something that I advise anybody to do, but it's the current state of my education where the Lord is leading me and explaining some of this stuff to me. And Kabla is the foundation of the majority of occult stuff,

right, like of occult theology or whatever you want to call it. And in one of their foundational books, they talk about how you can create golems, right, which is like this creature that is made from something on earth, like a base element, right? Like a homunculus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's, or like a mud creature or whatever, you know what I mean? It's like, and so they, there are these entities that you indwell with a spirit.

It's like a type of witchcraft where you make these entities, you indwell them with a spirit, and then you can send them out to go do stuff. But if you don't do the formula or the incantations just right, then you have this thing going wild and doing a whole bunch of stuff that it's not supposed to do. And I don't know how much credence you can really put into that, but I think it's an interesting thought to think that there could be groups of people out there who are engaged in occult philosophies and practices that are trying to create these golems, because it's considered like an upper tier, a real high level sort of thing, right?

And would that then explain how there's some of these physical things that are coming out, you know, whether it's a dog man or a big foot or whatever. And it's like, and that's why when they are running away, all of a sudden they just disappear, right? You can see the tracks. You can see the hair, but all of a sudden the creature is just gone, vanished. It's like, but it was very much so a physical thing, you know. So it's just an interesting thought to think that like, okay, so there could be one where these things are, I don't know if they're like bread or whatever over in the second heaven, but they're clearly coming over here, right? Trans, you know, going through portals and whatnot.

And then you have entities that just seem to be purely physical. They heighten caves. They're coming out. They're doing their stuff. Terrorizing people, doing whatever. It's like, okay, so if there are those two different types, does that mean that there are groups of people who are intentionally creating these things to go out and cause havoc or pain or disruption or whatever, you know?

I mean, there's even, I think that there's multiple things going on at one time that are semi-related and not so related at the same time. Sure. But what you're talking about with people who are creating stuff, that's something that we, I say we, me and my buddies, Joel and Ward, we talk about through the idea of, you know, magic, black magic doing such things. And even so what you're talking about is like individuals, you know, or maybe groups of individuals, doing nefarious things. But there is also like a very real, if you're, if you're willing to accept that, then there is really a lot of room to consider the idea of government creating these as well. And I'm going to be having a guy here in studio next month who killed a dogman.

Okay. And when he killed it a while later, he was visited. by an agency and he was told that they that he killed an asset. And so like there's there's that aspect of things. And it's just it's like there's just so with everything we've talked about today, it's like everything is complex. Yeah. Absolutely. And there is no, there is no easy way to understand a lot of this stuff. And a lot of it's because we exist outside of this, that kind of reality. So it's like when you're being introduced to all this stuff, you're like, well, how does this all fit together with what I understand? And when you, like, for instance, you experience, you know, the overlaying of realities. Well, how does somebody like me actually understand that?

Thankfully, stranger things exist. So I have something to think. But like I'm thinking, okay, the second heaven here, it overlays. That makes sense why certain things happen in people's homes. That, you know, is unexplainable because it's overlaid. It's actually here. The veil's thin. Things peek through. All that. But it's just like, Like, how do you comprehend that? It's really kind of left up to the individual to how far their brain can take them. Right. But yeah, listen, do we still have time? Oh, yeah.

All right. We got as much time. Cool. I want to do an overtime. Okay. Now we will we split this up and stuff. But in the overtime, I want to talk to you about a lot of the stuff that was writing down. But I want to write, I wrote down here about you saying that,

Well, where's it now? Oh, yeah, you mentioned about the catacombs, the caves, the tunnels. I want to talk about that for sure. And we'll keep going on this cryptid stuff because I want to hear about the Wendigo. I know you mentioned about it earlier. So I kind of want to hear about that. You mentioned about seeing the Thunderbird, but I didn't know if there was more of that. But you mentioned about fighting Hatman too.

I want to hear about that. And we're going to start off with Moana. I got something to say about Moana that relates to you. Anybody listening right now, if you're a member, head on over to the overtime, and we will pick up those conversation there. If you're not, thanks for listening to this episode. It was a really good one, and I really enjoyed it. So, Caleb, appreciate you making the trek from Colorado to Tennessee,

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