The Confessionals - 740: Squatch Watchers

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

In episode 740: Squatch Watchers, the Squatch Watchers dive deep into the mysteries surrounding their North Carolina investigation site. What began as a pursuit of Bigfoot has evolved into something far more unsettling. Rocks materialize from nowhere. Silent forests hum with unseen energy. Something lurks beneath the fallen trees—watching, waiting.From the discovery of the Bigfoot Underground—a labyrinth of fallen timber concealing something unnatural—to an inexplicable rock that vanished midair, their encounters defy conventional explanation. Then came Fear Rock. Since its discovery, nightmares, physical attacks, and an oppressive force have followed them—even a simple object seemed to bring chaos into their lives. Are these entities tied to the land? Are they watching from beyond the river? And most disturbingly… have the Squatch Watchers been marked?Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsUNCOMMON GOODS: uncommongoods.com/tonyGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701Squatch WatchersYouTube | InstagramSOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - MissingYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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This was all circulating. around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. Boney fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast.

and spears, Dan, holds them up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Feel something, and I look over and there are two small, getting pulled off the bed. It's Bush, and because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody, you're listening to The Confessionals podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel, and I'm joined here by a future host of the show. Ben, what's going on, man?

Hi. Hey, man. How you doing? Good. It's been a while since you've been on the show. Do you even remember the last time you were on the show? Not really. Yeah, no.

I can tell you, I'm pretty sure the last time you were on the show was when you were probably like one, one and a half. You had just started walking and you would not sleep. And I was trying to record this stuff early morning. It was probably about 1, 2 o'clock in the morning and you were in the studio with me. And I had you help me on the intro then. You could barely talk. And so it's pretty cool to see you here now. So thanks for joining me.

This is the part of the intro, Ben, where I tell people where they can email me. me. Do you know the email? Contact at the confessional's podcast.com. That's right. Contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. So they have a story that can share it with us right there at contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. And also, if they want more shows every week from dad, all they got to do is become a member to the confessionalspodcast.com. They go to confessionalspodcast.com slash join. They become a member and they get extra shows every week. And they get access to the brand new social media app. Did you see the social media app? Yeah, it's great. It is great. It is great. You and I were just looking through it and I was showing you some of the pictures and there was that one picture of the UFO. What did you think of that?

That is like amazing. I never ever saw a UFO. Yeah, well, now you did the day. It was like two or three pictures of it. Somebody took pictures and they posted it on the app and stuff. So it's kind of cool. They get to have their own social media app geared towards the weird stuff that we talk about, UFOs, Bigfoot and things like that.

So it's a social media app where people can freely talk. about these things. You ready to talk about what we're talking about today on the show, bud? Yes. Yeah, buddy. We're going to be talking to the Squatch Watchers. Do you know who the Squatch Watchers are? Yes. Who are they? There are people that hunt Bigfoot. Yeah, they hunt Bigfoot. They came out here to the studio to sit down around the table where you're at right now. In fact, I was sitting in your chair right now, and there were three other guys sitting around the table telling me about how they go out hunting Bigfoot and they told me some stories that you've got to

hear. Pretty cool, huh? Yeah. All right. Let's get to it. The Squatch Watch Watchers. go. I really wish I could watch them tell the story. Well, uh, well, maybe you can. We'll have you watch it on YouTube. What? Yeah, we'll put it on YouTube. Okay. All right. David went to a portal. Yeah. David went through a portal. David's back from his portal trip. Hey, we can talk about that. All right, today we have, uh, Squatch Watchers in studio. How are you guys? Man, pretty good. I'm feeling awesome guys. Yeah, far so good. Yeah. Listen, we've been trying to do this for a while. It's like two years. I know. That's how time flies.

It's been like two years, but me and you would always speak, and then he'd have something going on. Then he'd have something going on. Then I finally messaged you and we were talking. I was like, you pick a weekend. We'll make it work. Yeah. I think you even said you're like, listen, even if it's just me, it's getting done. It works better for me like that because like my schedule is always all over the place.

Just make a decision. Tell me. Tell me what to do. Tell me what to do where I need to be. Yeah. I'll figure it out. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I get it. And that's how I am too. I mean, people do similar things. and I'm just like, pick a week in July. And they'll be like, the week of the 21st. And I'll be like, okay. And then we start whittling it down from there, you know. But I can't really, it's just too much going on.

Sometimes what I'll do, I'm known to do this too. I'll just take a screenshot of my schedule and I'll say, find a day that's blank. And they're like, it's only one day. I'm like, exactly. That's the day or it's not happening. What always hurt us is because, like, we're all working stiff still and like it, we were trying for the weekends.

Your weekends were always booked. You had the weekdays open. I'm pretty sure, I think. Yeah, I try to, well, I try to do a weekday recording when I can because, you know, I'm a family man. Yeah. It wasn't a big deal when my son was younger, but now that he's in school, like, he's gone all day long. So I work all day. And then, you know, on weekends when he's home, I don't want to be like.

just, you know, working, because I used to work on Saturdays and Sundays a lot because it just I could do whatever I wanted. And so I had to have more of a stable kind of thing. But, you know, if I know in advanced, I can definitely swing things. And that's the thing. Like we, we scheduled today and there was absolutely nothing on the schedule. And then my wife, she's like, we need to do Ben's birthday party. And I was like, okay, just pick a day. And she's like the seven. And like, cool. And then like a week later, I'm like, oh, shoot. But it worked out. Okay. I think one of you guys have something to do this evening anyway. So,

yeah. Anyways, we're here Saturday morning. We're hanging out. You guys have a YouTube channel called Squatch Watchers. I want to get into it. Like, how did it start?

And obviously, what do you do? Oh, you watch Sasquatch. Sounds good. Something like that. Yeah. You know,

I was telling you guys earlier, I have, he passed away, I think, two Augusts ago. So a little more than a year ago now, Scott Carpenter. His son, Travis,

has become a real, real good friend of mine since then. But Scott was, like, in this area, like, the OG, when it came to, like, Sasquatch, Bigfoot, crypted, like, research, that you wouldn't call it. I think, yeah, he, I would say he was a researcher. Like, me, I'm more of, like, an experienced hunter, you know? Like, I go out there. I'm like, I'm not really worried about documenting things for the world as much as I just

want to be, I'm selfish with them. I'm just like, I'm, like, if, Jack's not there to carry the camera, there ain't nobody shooting a video. I'm not trying to do that. Like, I'm just trying to be out there and experience it. You know what I mean? What kind of a mixed bag when comes to that? We're like, we're a little bit of everything with that kind of persona. Yeah. We've always had the mindset, too, when we go out in the woods, we're doing it for those who can't. So we try to video a lot so that we can bring that adventure to them, especially for the, for the generation of folks who can't, you know, they just, they're confined to a chair. Yeah. They're confined to their home. So, you know, we've always tried to have that mission-minded goal.

also. Yeah. I'll tell you, how did you guys get started? Because I want to tell you the method that Scott was doing, but I kind of want to hear about how you guys got this whole start. I mean, well, let me just tell you this. I'll tell you what, because I think it, I don't want to forget. And I think it would be handy for you guys if you haven't implemented something like this yet. We started doing it with all the documentaries we go and shoot now. And we call it the Scott Carpenter method. Just, you know, in memory of him. But he's the one who started mounting a camera facing backwards. Yep. And you guys do that too? Well, we get comments all the time. Awesome.

You guys should do what Scott did. I'm telling you, we get the comment. Like, you go through most of our videos and Scott Carpenter's name is mentioned at least once or twice. It works. He used to do this. Put a camera face in your way.

And then we met Carrie Arnold. So we've got a camera, our Fleer camera, we named it after. I don't know if you remember Carrie Arnold. He was like Bigfoot artist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. passed away like two years ago. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, and he would send us. He's one that kind of helped us when we first started. He already had his channel going. It's like the little brother. Yeah, yeah. And so we named our camera after him. The carry, we always say bring out the carry.

It's the Fleer camera. Yeah, Fleer thermal imaging. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty neat. Well, yeah, we get that name a lot. So do you, like, with you guys and how you're doing it, are you using a gimbal or are you just mounting it? Man, we don't mount.

We have, we have like the police version body cameras. Okay. And so I wear one front and I have one on the back. Gotcha. So whatever it's picking up, I'm not having to worry about it. It's just there. You know, it's one of the things like if I'm doing this, I got, oh, what am I seeing? You know, I got to, you know, I'm looking for the viewer's point of view.

But this, it's just like whatever it picks up, it picks up. You know, and it's, you know, I go back to, I'm always the survivor man. Lestrow. Yeah, Lestrow. Yeah, Lestrow. Big fan of his. 90% of the best stuff he gets, he doesn't even know he had it. Yeah.

Until he goes back and he's like, oh, man, look at this. And right there in plain sight. And he was just going on about his business. So that's what we're hoping to do. So I'll tell you, you're going to catch stuff. We've caught stuff. And Scott Carpenter caught stuff. And Scott has, I want to say, over a thousand hours of video that he never went through.

And it's sitting on hard drives right now. Me and Travis were talking about possibly setting up some kind of thing in memory of him where we release all that footage and let his fans go through the footage. He lives on, yeah, and it's like a cold mind. And that's the absolute best, too, because whenever, so I don't do the strap in the camera. So I'll just turn the camera like, that's what I do, go behind us. And the fans pick out the most stuff. Yeah.

And, like, there's going to be so much stuff. They'll put the time stamps with it. Yeah. Yeah. Sean or shadow. And it's like a, it's like a perfect marriage almost, right? Because like it takes a lot of time to go out and do these things.

And if you got to, if you're going to continue to keep going out and do these things, you don't have always the time to go through it with a fine tube comb like they will because they're there to watch the footage. And so that's kind of cool. Like Scott had had this like, and you can't find this gimbal anymore. We've looked.

But he had this like, he made a rig. and then attached an Evo gimbal to it where it would strap to his shoulder on his backpack and the footage was just absolutely stable and constantly directly facing behind him because if he turned it just kind of moved with him

and so what we did was we got these gimbals that are like handheld gimbals and we just did this on the last trip we did we strapped the gimbal to the backpack and had it facing backwards and it seemed to work pretty well Yeah. But, like, I think if you have the high-quality video camera on a gimbal facing backwards,

there's no telling what's going to actually pop out and you'll see. Because the thing is, like, if you're holding it up and doing this, there's physical gesture. Yeah. Just as if you were turning to look in that direction, if the theory is that they're hiding, right? They might see high, but if it's just part of your rig and they come walking through. I don't know. Yeah. Theoretically.

Like, we're trying to say that we're tricking fallen angels here. but, you know. We're smarting them, right? Yeah. That sounded crazy at first, but I think. It goes back to, we learn to always look behind us as well as ahead, obviously, and then always look up. We learn to look up too. Now, what was the situation for that?

The light flashing, well, we'll get into it. The wild flashing. Let's get into it. Yeah, let's do it now. The spark. For one of the comments, and then, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.

So, this is a two-way sword here. So we're giving away information that we don't normally like to give away. It's already out there. And simply because this is how we test people to know if they're serious. They say, well, you know, we were in this remote area and we started seeing this anomaly. And then these things would start happening. We're like, okay, so our radars are up because, you know, we see a lot of things. And so we've had a lot of guest people that.

we've taken on adventures that will see light anomalies. There's specific colors that I look for, and there's two specific that always, to me, I know everybody's spot on because things happen in nature. There's light anomalies that happen normally in nature. There's bioluminescent vines. There's worms. There's moss. There's fungus, the things that just naturally glow in the dark.

Okay. and then you've got these things that just appear and then they're gone or they may flutter, they may flicker, then they're gone. What is that? You know, where did that originate? I believe now that that is a definite sign of a portal. Or if you want to go to a biblical term, maybe someone open the veil and slip through.

Yeah, that's interesting. So you're saying these light anomalies you believe are signs of portals opening and closing? I do. Because it's almost like you look at a flash, I mean a light bulb, and you flick it on in a room, it turns on it busts. Like, you know, it just, and that's almost how I can explain the lights that we see. And then within a couple seconds after that, that's whenever we get a lot of hate on this sometimes. But have you ever experienced rock throwing that just comes out. I haven't. I haven't.

Yes. You've got to come to North Carolina. So, all right. So you're saying the rock throwing happens right after the anomaly? Not every time, but either you're going to get a small, a strong smell. You're going to start hearing the movement around this. Or you're going to, like, we've brought skeptics in that's thrown rocks. And a rock come.

Activity-wise, that's when. So if you're in a typical area and you know your surroundings and we're on a gravel road, there's rocks everywhere. but you know half mile away there's a river or you know over here there's a there's a mountain there's all torts all types of different

geological rocks that are available but how does one rock geologically get from an area that it shouldn't be and you find it next to you are you saying are you suggesting that the rock itself

went through portal what if they just peeked the veil open and chunked it at you and shut the veil back it's always near water hint, hint, but that'll come later. Yeah. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.

That's a segue into a very big rabbit hole. Okay, well, I mean, I'm here for it, that's for sure. Let's just get into it. We can get into it. Let's just get into it. Yeah. Why not? All right, so you're Squatch Watchers.

You have a YouTube channel. People can go check it out. But let's get into this because I, all right, so when you guys, when you guys talk about the rock throw. right? Do you, how do you equate, how do you view that? Like, because there's another viewpoint that was presented to me, and I'll just say it now. Yeah. Now, obviously, I think, you know, obviously, if there's a Bigfoot or a dog man or something else, like, it could throw rocks. Yeah. But there's a lot of people who, you know, if there's rock throwing, they automatically

say, Bigfoot's throwing rocks. But it was just something that, somebody connected dots to me for me years ago. Timothy Renner from Strange Roads podcast. I think it's what, no, it's not Strange Roads. It's a strange familiars, strange familiars podcast. He said to me, he said, you know, people talk about it being Bigfoot and stuff, you know, maybe, for sure, possible. He said, but people overlooked the fact that they could be standing in the middle of a haunted forest and it could be poltergeist activity. Oh, my God.

We're there. Yeah, we're already there. Do you ready to get to, we ready to get to? Let's do it. Take me on a magical journey. First of all, before we get into this, you've got to come to North Carolina experience yourself. Planning on it.

Dude, yes, 100%. We've got Fear of Rock we can talk about. We've got, okay, just before we get into this, Ron Moorhead, James Bond of Bigfoot, the James Bond. Yeah, yeah. Experience this itself with Kelly Lockman. He's done a video podcast with you.

I'm pretty sure he talked about this. It's like the rock just fell out of the sky and hit the golf and Ron Moorhead's. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. You're talking about this property? Yes. That's our property.

That's the case where we're across from the place we primarily hunt now. Okay. So we started. But get into that. We'll get into the water thing, the rocks. David, you take it away,

but the four angels in the Bible and, yeah, and then, yeah. Just to get into why we think this. How are we going from rock throwing to four angels in the Bible? Because it's near the water. Okay, let's do it.

That's part of it. Yeah. So we get, you know, you know, you either love us or you hate us, because we're as far as we know, we're the one of the few,

if not the only, self-proclan, named Christian boots on the ground investigated groups out there. Yeah, me and my team are the exact same way. Okay. So, you know, it's nice to be in good company. Yeah. Yeah, there you go.

So when we first started this, you know, I just really had this theory that what if we're not dealing with, you know, we call it a Bigfoot, all right? We don't know really what this animal is. And my theory has been all along that what if Sasquatch is not. nothing more than a fallen angel that has been out of the realm of hell and is able to go between the two worlds. You know, what if that's a species of animal we're dealing with? Because a lot of people don't realize what happened first was not the creation of the world.

It was the war in heaven. And the war in heaven happened, okay? So then God created the earth. The earth was created as a, a game. gatekeeper or a prison, if you will, for hell. Okay. And it says, somewhere in Genesis, I can't give you the exact scripture. It gives you, it says that Lucifer is the liturgy God.

Okay. He's still a God. He has power. He was created. He was the most beautiful creation at that point in time. So that his organs were like instruments. So, you know, there's not a lot to be scared of here when you're talking about Lucifer in heaven. but says when he was cast out, he was called a demon.

All right. The Bible says some of the demons were so vile. They were locked away in hell forever, while others had the ability to walk between the two worlds. And when I read that, I'm going, wait a minute, all these people that I recall are nuts and insane about portals or interdimensional beings, the Bible clearly says that.

And in the book of Job, chapter one, verse four, God says to Lucifer, what are you doing? And Lucifer answers, oh, nothing, just walking up and down between the two worlds. And I got goosebumps right now. It blew my mind. There's two definitive scriptures that says there are dimensions, gateways, if you will. and there has to be multiple portals or they have to have the ability to create one. Now, I will tell you on your spiritual walk to be a believer in Christ, the more you study, the more you follow, the more is revealed under you.

This book is a roadmap, and the more you study, the more it's revealed under you. Now, he's going to get a different view of the map than I have. You're going to get a different view than I have. But the closer I get, I feel like the thinner the veil becomes. And this group's energy is so strong that when we're on our investigations, I think the veil is very thin and we have a lot more activity, whether it be, if you want to call it paranormal, a haunting, a cryptid, any of these things. And so we also say we go into people talk about, well, it's a dog man or this and that.

I'm going, these guys are nuts. This is crazy. And then, wait a minute, David, let's just take us to its simplest thing. And again, I can find the scripture. I just don't have it handy. The Bible says, careful, you not know when you entertain angels. So that means if I have entertained an angel in my life, that means they were able to transform. Yep, to look like a human.

Bingo. So now we have skin walkers that no longer sound crazy. also even Jesus himself. So like Jesus himself after he resurrected, he was walking with the disciples and they didn't even recognize it. He's like, yo, what are you guys upset about? And they're like, we just lost our friend. And he's like, oh, fuck her up. You know, like, you'll be all right. You know, it wasn't until, so like there was some kind of transformation there as well. And like, when you look at the scripture, like, there's a lot of that. And so what you're talking about is interesting because it seems like we're all on the same page

and we've all kind of like gone through these thought processes and it opens up the door for people with our theological perspectives to look at what it has been traditionally so frowned upon in the cryptozoology as woo-woo and we're like maybe it's not so bad I can't remember the book or the verse in the Bible but it talks about the things with the lion faces that fall in. Yeah, the lion.

Yes. So there you go. Like, yeah, I don't know. But Bob even speaks of. Giant. Dog man. You know, Johnmen.

Dragons. Yeah. Dragons. Yeah. You know, what angel can come in the middle of the night and slew 100,000 men by themselves? Tell me what angel that is. Sounds like a dragon.

Yeah, that does sound like. I had 300 men sleeping. I had one angel come whoop an entire army, 100,000 men kill them while we slumbered. Think about it. Even that, though, like, it's more like a supernatural thing because, like, you have Samson who killed a thousand soldiers with a jawbone of a donkey. You know what I mean?

He wasn't an angel. He was just super naturally empowered by guy. The real Hercules. Yeah, like he was bad. And then, like, the David's mighty men, like, those dudes were, like, they were probably Nephilim, but still, like, they're bad dudes. And then, yeah, yeah, I mean. They were getting.

They were given special powers, special abilities. They were blessed. All right. If you start looking at the descriptions of angels, man, it gets pretty scary. Oh, yeah. You know, when they talked about, you know, there were cherubs guarding Jesus in the garden.

When you start looking up cherubs, it's not the little cutesy-wootsy, little wings and diapers and hearts and little golden hair. The Cupid. Yeah. No, these things are, these things are very scary, okay? Yeah. And then, you know, I can't, is it cherabellum?

Is that one of them? The four names? There's only four angels. You got cherubal. Lucifer, which is Harlow, Halo. Helo. Yeah. Michael Gabriel.

And then. You have Abidon. Abidon. Abidon. Abidon is who we're going to get into. But there's a specific, there's a specific one I thought. It may be the type. It's a cherabellum.

Oh, the one with the eyes that flip. spheres. Yeah, yeah. You know, and then there's the angels with the four faces, with the forearms, and they've got wings. And, you know, they have a face of an eagle and the face of a man in the face. And I'm going, I don't want to see these. There's a reason why when people saw angels in the Bible, they were sore afraid. Yeah.

Because they were terrifying. Angels pre-cursed, do not be afraid. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, it's, I mean, there's, I mean, we run up on people in the street and go, you know, man, I hit every, you know, ugly stick on the tree. I look at you every time I see and I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, exactly.

Can you imagine that? I mean, like, people, you know, people come on the show and they tell their experiences and they saw something, you know, like, say they saw, I don't know, a shadow figure and scared them, right? And it's like, imagine that times like a thousand, you know? Like, imagine being in your bedroom and all of a sudden this angel shows up with all these eyes circulating around it. And it's like, it's literally sent from God. you're just like flipping your bed of, right? I don't want any of that.

You can keep that energy, you know? I thought I was telling you or somebody like, I love Jesus. I want to see Jesus one day, but if he would appear in front of me, I would screw you. It's still terrifying in the human character. I was always like, Jesus, I love you, but please,

because I would always hear when I was a kid, like Jesus came to me. I'm like, Jesus, please don't. Send me an email first. Give me a heads up. That would be terrifying. On Tuesday and noon, I'll be arriving. Start with a phone call and then we'll meet up.

They'll be so intrusive. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah. Now, we do tell everybody that, you know, this stuff's really cool. It sounds, you know, fun. And we have some really cool adventures. But you do not prepare to go looking for Sasquatch or especially the paranormal realm, which is directly tied to the Bible, without knowing what you're doing.

Especially the paranormal realm. Do not invite anything into your life that you do not want. Yeah. Because where you were talking about seeing things. things and having things, there's some things I won't even speak of because I won't give that entity power anymore. Because if you've ever brought something home with you and had to live through it, I'm telling you, brother, it will change your whole everything.

And if you didn't know Jesus, you will definitely seek him out. And we've seen you in the woods just basically break down to nothing, like throwing up and laying down and everything. And that gets to the rock throwings and what happened? So we all have our own energy, okay? You know, we've got, you know, my fiancé is off the side. She has her own energy. Taylor's wife has her own energy.

When we're together, it just, it explodes. And these creatures, these beings, these entities, whatever you want to, you know, label them as, they'll feed on you. And the more excited you get or the more amped up you get, sometimes they just say, you know what? I'll take that. And your energy is gone and all of a sudden I'll hell of break loose around you. You have all this activity. You know, and I'm laying on the ground. I'm so zapped.

I can't move or I'm so nauseated. I'm throwing up. You know, and I have to work through that sensation. And, you know, it could be five minutes. It could be 30 minutes before I'm back on my feet. You know, the last person to hit the ground, not from getting zapped, but, you know, but once it happened, you know, he got so. rocked. It was hard to get back up on your feet.

And I think Tate actually understands it. It was like two weeks. Three weeks. Yeah. What happened? Okay. So before you get into it, this is one of those great things. I saw a UFO. We all saw the same thing, three different depictations of it. We all saw this happen with our own eyes and we all have three different views of what

happened to this one. Really? Yes. Oh, he's been scratched and everything. Oh, man. Should we start and go from the beginning all the way up to this point? I mean, chronologically maybe, but I don't know. Like, it's...

So was this like a sequence of events? Oh, yeah. It's been... In one night or one trip or well. Let's put this way. Where we're at at this moment sitting with you talking to you, we were completely different when we started in 2017 together as a group and starting a YouTube channel in the Squatch Watcher's name. And we've evolved over the years through people we met and our own experiences and encounters and investigations to what we are now.

And it's completely different and far more complex. we still don't really know what we're dealing with at this point. We started out flesh and blood and that's no longer true. Yeah. Same. Yeah. Same. When I started the podcast, I was just coming on to this like what I, at the time,

I thought it was an original idea. I was scared to talk about it. I was like, I think Bigfoot might be like some kind of nephalon remnant. And I was like, but I'll get crucified. I talk about that. And then I was just coming out of my shell with it when I started the podcast. And now like here we are years later. and it's like, yeah, probably and more.

So we started out like that too. We was kind of like, you know, we had the idea about it, and then we had a few things we're like raising our eyebrow like, huh, this is kind of weird. And we had discussions with other people, conversations. But publicly on video, we wouldn't mention it a lot at first. But we go to like these festivals and conferences where we speak to public people and we kind of dip our toe in the water with it.

And people started gravitating towards it. We're like, okay, we can maybe go open with this now and see what happens. We have people who will travel, you know, two or three states out to come and meet us in person and to personally thank us for not being afraid to stand on the scriptures and how we use the scriptures to explain a lot of the activity that we have in the woods. And so, you know, whereas it was a scary part to step out on faith once we've done it. I mean, there's no looking back now. I mean, so it's been a great experience. Okay, he's wanting to hear some of these stories. I do.

You guys hear the audience. Like, tell us what you're talking about. We're politicians. You ask us a question. We'll go around. We'll go around. But how did it? Okay.

So we started off. You wrote it out. We'll keep that to the end. We're by water. It's at the place called Henry River. This is where our primary investigation area is. So we started there. It started out. I'm just going to give my introduction to it and let David take his and how take games, just our whole normal routine.

So started out pure skeptic. I show up and there's Indiana Jones, which was David at the time, that everybody told me my first time, which I always grew up believing in Bigfoot, not believing in Bigfoot, but hearing Bigfoot stories. I started out pure skeptic. So didn't believe in, I was like, they're full of crap. So my first time there, they're like, yeah, we're camouflage all this. I show up and camouflage everybody else is dressed normal.

I'm like, what the heck? I'm like, who lied to me? So I guess that was my initiation. So David doesn't remember me to be in here on this time. And I'm watching David, and he's given. So this is my first one going in. David, you can tell what you did in me witnessing this. And him dressed as Indiana shirt.

You really dressed, whip and all? Not the whip. I definitely have. I've dressed like an idiot. I definitely have all the gear. Let's put it that way. I actually have a. I just got the jacket.

Here's the politician, rant. It's a movie accurate jacket I just got. So, you know, I've got the hat and everything. But, yeah, it is really cool. Well, you know, you want to look the part. You expect you to look the part. So anyway, we're there. You can make your own part, you know.

It's boring. I mean, it's a long night. They want, they showed up. It's a Tuesday. It's 9 o'clock. It's 2.30 in the morning. We all got to go to work, you know, be up 6 o'clock to go to work the next day. And it's just, it's terrible.

Okay, and we're down at an area where they were calling it the nest. It's like 2011 or 12. 11 or 12, yes. I was right out of school. Right out of high school. You just graduated. And so they claimed that they had found an area where maybe one of these things had been sleeping. I hadn't saw any evidence, had no rocks, no, I hadn't heard a peep of nothing.

But I've heard them give out all these calls all night long, and I'm an invited guest, so I didn't overstep my bounds. And so we're packing up. Cameras are all off. Everything's done. And I asked Rex. I said, Rex, I said, can you mind if I give out a call? And he goes, yeah, sure. We will not be doing it in this studio.

I will break everything in here. So I gave out what is, I think is a very accurate Sasquatch call. And it's long, it's loud, it's drawn out. And, I mean, you know, then I stop. Then here comes the coyotes across the mountain. They start howling. this jackass starts he yawing. Not Taylor.

I mean, really, this is like, you know, just over a knoll and there's a small mountain. And then way off behind that, when it starts, everything just goes, it's quiet, you hear. Oh, I mean, that's a lot louder, of that, mind you. And I just looked at everybody. I'm like, what was that? And Rex looked at me and says, David, that was a Sasquatch. Yeah. and I have been hooked ever since.

I mean, there were times where I was going twice a week. You know, every week we did not miss a week. And we did this for like five, six years straight. I mean, I was a certified Bigfoot junkie. But then your children grow up and you want to start being there more for them like you said earlier. And so you had to kind of say, okay, I got to pump the brakes on this. And, you know, they call me super. Dave, but I'm also a super dad.

Yeah. And then, yeah, the super dad, for sure, you're good dad. You're still a good dad. I'm a great dad. You are a good dad. Yeah, you're a good dad. But so that is the first time for that. And I think that got me and you kind of hooked, but I was still skeptical because I was like, man, coyotes do that all the time.

And so we were there probably, you know, like, two, three years later. I got 100 pounds ago for me. That was like at high school. So we went. We went. So we were down there like a couple weeks later, maybe about a year. year later. It was a year later.

This was like, man, we were like, man, we're cool. We have. But I was still like on the fence. And June. I go down to the right beside the river, not knowing this is water at the time. Just keep water. I don't know. That just sticks out to me.

Near the water at the time. And they were like, hey, Taylor, won't you give your first tree knock? Because at the time, I was still the skittish like, man, what is that? Didn't believe in Bigfoot, but I was like, hey, and we would hear like stuff hit beside us. But at the time, I didn't think of Brock. I was like, oh, this stuff just falling out of a tree, dismissing it. I give my first tree knock.

Something hits behind me. Big. Size of a, size of a Bible on camera. You see me hit the ground crapping my pants. I'm like, whoa. Yeah, we have all this on video. Yeah. So that, I was like, okay, that scared me to death.

I was like, you can, and where we investigate one way in, one way out. There's nobody that can, at the time, it was just gault, like walking trails through the woods. Nobody could punk us. Nobody could come out there scare us. You would hear them run. off. So that kind of got me hooked and I'd always tell tape, fast forward a couple more years. I'd always tell tape, man, there's some crazy crap going on out here. Just like the night the thing hit behind us and I plowed through the camera. Like these rocks, man, they're not pebbles. Some of them

are, but they're like, you can hear these things lapping through the woods like it's nothing. We've got four pound rocks. Yes. Yeah, I wish we could have brought some. We've got some of rocks that we actually date them. Yes. And then just kind of set them up. So at the time, that's before this is flesh and blood. There's no such thing as a flying, disappearing, cloaking, whatever you want to call Bigfoot. There's no such thing as dog man.

There's no such thing as any of this. So this is when we kind of get to fast forward a little bit. We've got some, well, you want to tell the locking myself in the car story before we? So, yeah, we're out one night. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we all used to have nicknames, and I got mine. They're no matter where I've ever been with a group, they've always called me Super Dave.

Okay. There's a reason for that. I'm not afraid of anything but spiders, all right, that's it. So Taylor had already got the nickname Taylor Run Run because of the night the rock got through through the woods. He plowed me over trying to get behind me. It was, it was unnerving. I about broke my leg chasing this thing through the woods because I stepped in a hole. And you could see a silhouette.

Yeah. But you could see, the bushes, it was so far ahead, you could see all the movement through the bushes, but you couldn't see a creature. Yeah. So, you know, here again, it's 2.33 o'clock in the morning. All the cameras are dead. We have, I mean, we have nothing. That's the best time to, no cameras. And it's cold.

And so we're, where we call base camping, it's a mile drive out through this little narrow winding road. And so we're at the car. And all of a sudden, it is the most. visceral, loud, scream roar that I've ever heard. And it's just, br-hr-wh-wh-wr! Yep, that's what I heard. You're good at those sound effects, by the way.

I heard the three distinct sounds of door slamming behind me as these guys, not tell you wasn't with us, dove in the car and locked themselves in. And I am walking towards the sound where this thing came from. I've got to see. I've got to know. And all of a sudden I hear, Davey, come get your car, David.

Now look back and Taylor's lips are stuck through the window. Literally, give me, come get you car. Come get your car. What are you going, Jamie? They're begging me. They're begging me to go. They're begging me to go. I'm like, I've got to know what that is.

And you know the closest thing now I can explain. Have you ever heard a lion roar? Yeah. Yeah. Like they're. Oh, it was awful. You can do a line. A bear roar has nothing on what we heard.

It was like a line mixed with, it would, you could just, oh, my God. It was like so strong. If you were walking wobbly, it would have knocked you down. That's the only thing I could. It was, it was the scariest sound I've ever heard in the woods. That's when I became official believer. And that's when I called you. And I was like, you've got to come, something crazy happened.

This is when Tate come on to the scene. We fast forwarded through a lot of, like, you know, the, fool crap. We think we've seen it. There's seven Macbooks. Each one has a terabyte. Okay. You know how many hours it takes to put a terabyte on the MacBook? There are seven dedicated to us

right now just sitting in archives with our film footage. That's just all we were filming for a local cable network. Let me ask a question. What about that? Are you guys buying a new computer every time you fill it up? Why don't you just do external hard drives? This was before we got into

YouTube. Oh, okay. This is before. Yeah. Rex would have to go by the little Mac but hard drives to plug in because he has this iMac. I mean, his computer strings like as big as your TV strings back here. Yeah. And so he's got 12 up. He's 13 of them right now.

Okay. But seven of them are dedicated to us. And what got him looking for Bigfoot on that property is because the weddings and people that were having weddings, we're hearing stuff stomp through the woods. Really? Yeah. There's a history on this property. It's not just, hey, we're three guys. We found a random.

No, there was history before we came. That's what brought you there. Family heritage, too. Like his family's owned it since, what, 18-hundred's back. Just 227 years. And they've had the Sasquatch encounters since then. Yeah, you can tell about the pickle. No, no, go ahead.

Because I got to do my introduction. There was a pickle jar on this thing. They heard something come through the house, right? In the snow. It'd be in the snow, yeah. Stole all the pickles out of it. Woke up the next morning. There was big tracks leaving.

Did that how the story went? It was a gallon. It was a gallon crock of salt pickles. And if you've ever had a salt pickle, I mean, it's all you can do to eat warm. Okay. So what's going to come out in like 40 inches of snow? Yeah. In like 1904.

That was before Kim Trails. Yeah. So it snowed a lot in work out. Yeah. Back in the day. Whatever they're called. It gets painted in the day. Through a window.

You know, this is an old cabin. It's like an old two-room cabin and eat a gallon of salt pickles in one setting in leaf. Yeah. So that happened. That was just some of the history. Now, Tate gets in. He witnesses, you go, take it away. Big shot.

Oh, yeah. You can go to talk for me? So I'm going to segue from the yelling in the car, locking all that stuff. But first, so Taylor and I have been best friends, pretty much our whole lives. Since football. Yeah. You know, we went to different schools, but we played recreation sports together and grew up together and went to high school together. So we got out of high school.

He starts doing this Bigfoot dope. as David calls it. And I'm like, oh, I don't want to know that stuff, you know. But, um, I'm trying to,

I'm trying to get a girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah, so he'll call me every Friday night, because that's when they do their shoots and then they'd have it on the local station, you know, but he'd call me every Friday night and be like, man, this just happened.

This just happened. Rock hit a tree or David. This, you know, you got to come. And then finally, the night that happened that they talked about, uh,

previously about the corridor shut and slamming. and the visceral roar line yelling, that's when I was like, all right, I'm going to give us a shot because out of the three of us, I live the closest to the properties. And I was like, this is in my backyard. I don't think Bigfoot is really going to be in North Carolina, Hickory, North Carolina,

and be like, you know, my backyard. So that's why I've dismissed it completely. I never didn't really not believe in Sasquatch, but I was like, I don't think it's this local. So we end up going and I come out. And it's basically, This is when SquatchWaters were kind of born. They had the name, and we didn't have the YouTube channel yet and stuff, but they were still, we still, well, I say we.

We were a Squatchwaters. We had a band. We had a name. We were the band running around the local bars here. But, no, so it was a Squatch Writers, but we hadn't started our YouTube channel yet. And I come in the cabin, the base camp, they call it. And it's basically turned into like a, I don't know if y'all sent me on a blind date with this guy or if it was like a Bigfoot tryout, a Squatchwaters tryout. But we had another guy that came along, and he was a guest.

Awesome guy. He was a good guy. He really is. And he was super in. It was like, you had me over here like hands in my pocket. Yeah, whatever. Cool. Yeah.

And then he's over here, big foot, big foot. And he's all about it. That's why he didn't make the, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, so we go out in the woods and we go on the main trail, start doing the investigation of. I'm learning the ropes of everything. And, you know, doing the tree knocks.

Here are a few suspicious, pooh, in the distance, you know, we don't know. It could be a 22. Could be a tree knock. I don't know. what really got me was the rock throwing. You know, there go the rock throws. So David tells me, we communicate with these creatures by throwing rocks and wait for a response. Okay.

So. Stacking rocks. Gifting. Well, the gifting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so. dangerous. Yeah.

So I take a rock, throw it off in the woods. And mind you, this is like a 20 foot, 30 foot drop off ridge. And then it goes back up to the other side. It's just wilderness, uncharted wilderness. What's between it? Yeah. What's between it? The Bigfoot Underground.

That's another. The water and the river and the river. Well, the river, yeah, the Bigfoot Underground. We can get in that. There's so many stories. I know we've got limited time. Yeah, yeah. That's a classic.

So throw this rock in the middle of the night into this uncharted wilderness and we just stand there and wait. A few minutes go by. Yeah. Three hours later. No. So we're waiting. And all of a sudden, you just.

here. It was really good. Yeah. And I was like, what's that? And David was like, that was a rock getting thrown back. And I'm like, okay. So then we go to the gift inside and I learned about that, which that wasn't really, that's one of the things you, it's a delayed thing.

You know, you just gift and then you see what happens. But we got to talk about that at some point. Well, you need to talk about it about why we have, we've shot away from that. But long story short, back to me getting into the group. I was basically hooked that night, and I wanted to keep doing it. And I was kind of a shoeing because Taylor, you know, we's best friends. He kind of got me again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But then David, like, I got to know David and like, he's one of my brothers now and best friends. I'd literally go to war for him anytime, anywhere. And we're just a fellowship of brothers. And we hunt Bigfoot and the, we call it the unknown now because it's dog man, paranormal aliens, everything. It is God first. Yeah, yeah. Yep. Unknown watchers.

Yeah. Yes. For you, though, what was it, you know, you go out that night and you go out there, hands in the pockets, whatever, whatever, and then you walk away hooked. Was it the rock throwing that hooked you? The rock throwing hooked me because it was the physical evidence. Like it was the, you know, you... Something through that.

It was the audio and you were there experiencing it in the moment, and you can't explain it. Like, you know, rational, yeah, the smell happened to you, but the rationalization of it is like, okay, you try to rationalize, could it be. this, this and this, and you start exing them off, jogging them off. It's like, okay, then it might be what they say. It's a Sasquatch. But the other thing that got me that night was the intangibles. Now, I'm an avid hunter.

I've been in my whole life because my dad's has been crazy about deer hunting, turkey hunting, duck hunting, dove, anything. If it's got legs or wings, you'll shoot it. That's how I've been. I've been an avid hunter my whole life. And when I go out in the woods and hunt in just random areas that we either on land or have a buddy that lets us have access, I never get the same feelings that I get at the properties we investigate the unknown.

And the feeling I'm going to describe it as, as you feel like there's a predator effect or some sort. Like there's something bigger than you, stronger than you, smarter than you that is around you but doesn't want to be seen and you're not going to see them, but they're there. It's that presence feeling. And that's the properties we go to investigate, basically daily, weekly, what have you. That's the only areas of the woods I go into and I have that feeling. Ever since that first night, I went, I've had that feeling. Normal woods, I go hunt for game. I never, I never have that feeling.

It's just I'm out there by myself. And then animals just happen to come by if it's the right one I shoot it. You know, I've never had that feeling anywhere else, just on our properties. and that's what got me really hooked. Hey guys, this episode is brought to you by Merkmerch.com. Go ahead and get your Merkel Media Apparel at Merkmerch.com. We got some new hoodies up there on the store. Go ahead and check it out.

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Not going to name drop because I don't know how the licensing works with that. Yeah, so some guys that played in professional football came with us. And pure skeptic, his first time, they came with us five times now because they're so addicted to it. At the time, we thought was amazing.

He's an avid hog hunter. He hunts them, he does the knot hunting and all that. And he brings his, like, expensive camera, like over three grand top camera, Fleer, whatever,

not scope. And every time he would, put a fresh battery in it at this location near a gifting spot and ends up being the spot where David passes out if you think back out now. It would go dead. Bam, on the spot. We'd film a little bit.

Go dead. Bam, on the spot. It was cold. So, but we would charge them, go dead. Every time we'd go through that spot,

any other time, it worked great. So fast forward that a little bit. They came back. I'm just trying to fast forward these stories. Oh, we have to. Yeah.

Yeah. They came back and that's whenever DeAngel, well, Yeah, they came back and that's whenever that happened and we found these prints with them. And they walked their own trails and we found the Coke bottle. We found the glow stick. You can get into that story if you want to. I'll tell everybody really quick.

We need it because it leads into the footprint. We have an area we called the gifting site and it's been an active area for like 10 or 12 years. It's almost, it became an altar. And we didn't realize that it became an altar. So the more you, the closer your walk gets with Jesus, then things are revealed unto you. So before we'd realize we were, we had an altar to these beings. We had set up an area where we had this gallon jar rigged with popcorn. And, you know, no, the idea was we're going to dispel the, hey, it's a raccoon, it's a possum, it's a this or so that.

Something's going to have to take the lid and screw it off of this jar. So then we go down about a half a mile and we leave a co-cola hanging in a tree with like the little neon glow and the dark necklace was hanging to it. And from there, you know, we went down and, you know, that's pretty much it was it. And this is in, we did this like in either. January, February. This is late January, early, is early February. So, you know, but it was definitely winter, 18, 19 degrees. So we go back the next week because we were going to have our guests there.

So we were baiting, if you will, so that we could make sure we had, you know, we wanted to be a blockbuster event. Had no idea it was going to be a blockbuster event. So we get to the site. Sure enough, something has taken and it's removed the lid on this big glass jar of popcorn. It's still tied to the tree. You know, it's like six and a half, seven foot off the ground. All the popcorn is going. on and the lid is a metal lid and it's just scratched pretty heavily from thinking, okay, you know, this is interesting.

So then we get on up a little ways and we find the Coke bottle is gone out of the tree and there's only one glow in the dark necklace hanging there. It's obviously not glowing anymore. So we search around and we find the Coke bottle. Now with these little bottles right here, you might could take it, hold it up and go and suck some of the air out of it. but like a co-cola bottle, there's more substantial. More plastic, yeah. Yeah.

You know, it's a much more rigid bottle than these little thin plastic water bottles here. Whatever opened this up appeared to take the cap off, and it looked like it had taken and went, and vacuum sucked the whole bottle, just mangled up, twisted flat, like you just imploded it.

And it was just tossed aside in the woods. We were ecstatic. Now, it is 19 degrees. I am in full, you know, winter gear. And I'm, I'm comfortable, but I'm cold. I'm ready to go back to the cabin. Normally the one that's always, the one of the skeptics that's always wanting to go back to the cabin. That's the only reason we win this time.

So he convinced us to go down to the river. I'm like, okay. The reason I didn't want to go down to the river is. A skeptic football player. So he wasn't trying to go back. He was ready to. He wanted to go to the river. river and I'm like, and he usually doesn't.

He wants to like go in the cabin, camp out and sleep, get it good night in early. And this night, he wanted to keep going. Okay. If we walk down this crazy hill, I mean, the walk down is great. We got to walk back up. I did not want to make the walk on that hill. He's a football player. He'll carry you.

I was not healthy back then, okay? I had some medical issues going on and I'm like, I don't want to do this. But we did. We get down there. Now, keep in mind, I'm a Christian. and while I'm still a man at the end of the day, and I'm going to say a curse word every now and again. But apparently I lost my religion when I found this footprint.

It is the best big footprint I have ever found a date. There were two of them, but one of them was perfect, full, pristine. And if you go and watch the video, I can't quit saying the F word. And you'll find out who, yeah. And so then not only that, I'm like, don't move, because right next to the print that leads, that to me,

it's, there's no way, guys, we can't fake this stuff. Where the bottle was in the woods, a mile away, the missing necklace that was holding the Coke bottle on air was laying beside the footprint.

For real. Yes. All on video. Wow. It's on your YouTube channel now? Yes. It's called, we find big footprints with NFL.

Yeah. If you type in NFL, Bigfoot is probably all complex. Views, hashtag. So we refuse. Like and subscribe. If you don't like clickbait, don't watch. You ain't click bait and you ain't tried.

And of course we cast it. It is the best casted print to date for us. And we cast several prints. And we just found a couple some in September. We found two in September. Well, see, the thing about it, water. I'm going to say it again, water. By the water.

That's just blow in my mind. It went into the water. Yeah. This thing was going into the hip. River. Yeah. You'll see one print, the left footprint is fully visible right on the sandbar. Okay.

The right footprint only has half of it where the pad, the toes are stepping right where the toes touch the water right into the water. So this is like soft ground. So you're saying it's a sandbar. We thought it was. Luckily, we had an NFL player with us that played tied in that way 300 pounds. 320, 330 pounds took his shoes off at 19. Y'all called him. Fast.

That's big. He's huge. He was chiseled out of stone. He's like Steven Seagull. He's like, don't start that again. He's like a retired Steven Seagot. He definitely looks much better with short hair. But luckily we had him with us and this guy is huge.

He takes his shoe off on the video. Jumps up and down. The side of it can barely even make a dam. They can't make us. Can't make it look like it. Nothing. They were like... Barely an imprint.

And what made us, what made them believe it that night was because we were watching it. DeAngelo. Okay. They're going to watch the video. It was DeAngelo Williams. They're going to watch the video. They're going to see it. Gary Barnage, DeAngel Williams.

He played for the Caroline Panther. Whatever. I ain't going to get into his history. Squatch Watchers. That's right. Yeah. So that's what made him like, man, we wouldn't even come down here until I wanted to come down here. I was like, we're full game.

We're going in now. So Dave is flipping out. He gets me to call. I refused to leave. I was not leading. He's laying next to the print and going, My precious. Yes.

That's really what I was. I'm not leaving this. Beepin, blib-bl-bl-blit-biz spot. And so that happens, and we call the girls. They bring the casting. And I can't remember where the heck I'm going with this. But, oh, he's stepping on it. And so they were like, yeah, you can't.

He's trying to make a print. No, no. He's trying to recreate it. So the girls, yeah. So, trying to debunk it. Bring the casting and all that. And while we're casting this print, watching it, you all remember what happened? A huge rock.

A huge, it's the water. Yeah. And wait, hold on a second. I'm confused. What was just, what just happened here? I heard sound effects. Okay. So we're sitting here casting the print.

Yeah. After the girls. And, you know, we're, you know, and we're not filming because we're sitting here, we're literally waiting for plaster of pairs to dry. Okay. And while we're kneeled down. And, you know, we're just, you know, I mean, I'm really good at what I do. And then we're sitting here and all of a sudden, this boulder hits the water.

Wow. Okay. So when I say it's the Haney River, this river at where we're at, it's probably 65 to 85 feet across. Yeah. Okay. And at times, depending on the water level, it's never going to be more than six or, or it's at least six foot deep all the time. It can be as deep as 10 feet, okay? And so we're at the six foot minimum at least.

And something hits this water like it is nothing. I mean, and it's boulder size. I mean, because you throw, you know, you throw rocking and it goes, you get a little plop, you know, this. I mean, it's just this huge explosion of water. Everybody freaked out. And what's funny is we've heard this before in the past. We've just skipped those stories because it's happened that they finally witnessed it. Yeah.

And that's when they were like, holy crap. Yeah. And that's when Dee said. Look at the girls. their ankles are getting cold. He was ready to go back to the cabin. And so we went back to the cabin and all of us were just kind of silent

and just in shock about it that night because that was the not, I think we were on tail of that because the closest we went in at that point. With the skeptics. And they're hardcore skeptics, but they want to believe and want to find evidence,

but that's not. They're all football players? Yeah. Yeah. So like they just, they're interested in the topic. Yeah. Well, Gary,

Gary started out interesting to paranormal. You ever heard of the Euro? Well, we'll get into that. But keep you, if you're around here, just go to the Euro Shrine. We've done something with them over at the Euro Shrine in Bristol. Okay. Tony, you got to go. We can get to this at the end.

Who warned you not to? But that got me closer to God. Really? You got to go. Yeah. And ever since we stopped messing with that stuff, that's when our channel started really taking off and dedicate. But back to our property. We got one thing, one thing about that detail, when me and you walked up.

And see, the sandbar is like a mix of sand and dirt, you know, whatever washes up. But when we walked up. up there on the footprints in the pitch black dark, we could have walked all over and destroyed them. Yeah. What did we see that made us look down? Do you remember? Oh. Test your memory.

Up in the tree. The break. I'm not going to say baseball bat. It's probably like a sniffle ball bat, like a football bat size branch. We were looking around because we have a lot of tree breaks, you know, and depending on where it's at what level, dears can break things, you know, rub things and make it look like a tree break. But, you know, this was at like the eight-foot level. Yeah.

And this thing stepped off of a little knoll. And it just, you know, just says, hey, I'm going to break this branch up here at eight-foot. That is probably, you know, not quite a baseball bat, but not. I said like a little ball, skinnier bat. Yeah. You know, we're not going to break and bend this thing, period. It's a live tree. It's not a dead tree.

And we're certainly not going to just mottled off to nothing. And so we're looking up. And then when I look down is when I saw the print. Yeah. And you're like, I mean, we've seen prints before. but they're, you know, yeah, that could be a print. And obviously, yeah, it's an anomaly. No, no, no.

This has got toes. It's got darmal ridges. How big was it? This is like 17 inches. 17 inches? Oh, it would have had to be. The toes on this thing? I should have brought you one.

You need to give me your address. And we'll send him on to put on his wall. Yeah, yeah. A copy of it? Yeah, that'd be cool. Yes. Yeah. Okay.

So that's whenever the old school David was rebirth. is rebirth. And after that, about what, two weeks later, you were in the woods every day. Page and I had something to do some kind of dinner or something. We're leaving the property. And I gave you my cue-poo. They were so afraid to leave me down there by myself that he wouldn't. He wouldn't leave unless he left me a pew-poo.

Yeah. Gave him some protection. And as we're leaving, Paige, and we're hitting this road, she's like, I really hate we're leaving David down there. I'm like, well, we're coming back. It's cool. And this is where I guess I had my first, like, clear of what I thought was a big. I don't know if it is now. I think it.

But whenever we're crossing the top, all of a sudden you see, she's like, I really hate we're leaving David back there because you got crazy people like this guy. Whatever this was, Tony, I'm telling you, I get cold chills telling you, it was like a solid black. At least I thought it was. But the more you think now was it the predator effect. hey, whatever this was, boom, boom, boom, three steps. It kind of looked white, like whitish glowing eyes. Like, it wasn't what people describe as a big foot.

And so she's like, what the heck was that? I was like, that's what we're out here looking for. And I called David, hey, there's something heading toward you. Because he was giving calls and stuff. I was like, there's something heading toward you. But, and I called David, I'm like, just make sure you're good. So on the way back, we meet David still there. We go out and do the dinner.

come back and David's still there and he meets us at the location where we found it. And you know how like old country roads, the grass will grow real high. They just don't maintain it. So from, it was coming from right to left, crossed it. And where we saw, thought we saw it crossed, the grass was split. Yeah. Like, and you're like, and they walked through there. And the more I think about it, who was it that was speaking about this other day that was

describing the creature of almost of what. I was like, wait, there's. And then fast forward about a few months later. and that's when y'all saw the fog. So, you know, this is all in the same property. All on the same property. That's why.

And that's why. Everything we do is within like a four mile triangle. Yes. And there's an interesting fact I'm going to throw in it when y'all get done to your part. Go ahead. Why's going to say real quick. So give them our theory of why we get so much activity also. Well, I'm going to get in one thing real quick.

Like, so, you know, destiny meant to be, stuff like that. Honest to God, I had no clue. about this until, let's just say, the primary side we were on all way through these years to that point, we had to kind of move because things were getting kind of intense. And I'm going to leave it that. Yeah, let's leave it. Yeah, we kind of had to move. He's had the guest on here.

I know, but we're not going to. Okay, okay, okay. We're not going to go. Well, long story short, things got a little intense. And we had to basically make that a part-time location. But across the river. That the creatures always ran to as we thought. It's like the forbidden lost land to us.

We've always wanted to get over there. Yeah. And we never knew how to get over there, how to get access to it. Without trespassing. Well, yeah. Without trespassing. We didn't know. And there was always activity across the river.

You hear our old videos, across the river, across the river. Every time across the river. Who owns across the river, Tate? So, like I said, segue into the destiny meant to be, my freaking cousin owns a big portion of the land. And it goes to this area called South Mountain State Park, which is a vast, I mean,

toward talking regions and regions of land and mountains, mountain scapes. She owns the access point in a woods into that. And there's an old abandoned asphalt plant that we always enter into, park into and stuff. We barely get past that half the time because of activity. I can't wait to come out with you guys. But dude, my freaking cousin owned the land.

And my dad told me, because she lives beside it. And he's like, I think, I think she owns part of that. I was like, I'm going to ask her. And so, yeah, y'all can come. Yeah, I know, I know Rex. Wow. Okay. And there's destiny meant to be.

We walk right beside the water of the river. And then what do you know right through? We can see our old land. What were you saying about the reason we get activity? What would you want? Oh, the reason we think we get activities is because we hunt the, and everybody's like, y'all can't get that much activity. Y'all, there's no way.

We investigate the same area nonstop. A bunch of people are just. We're here one diet. We're here. Like the TV shows, you know, they're only in one location at, like, four days and then they're gone. Not even. Yeah. If you have a, let's just say an hour TV show, I mean, you could shoot a lot of footage in a day.

Yeah. Yeah. And that, to me, like, it's a blessing. That's when Fear Rock was discovered. Beer Rock. We named it Fear Rock. We named it. We named like it with the Bigfoot Underground.

The big foot underground really quick is just an area on the property where we used to go all the time that had a tornado come through and it had so many trees down. Yeah. In this valley, you could walk on these giant trees. I mean, you would be like 12 feet off the ground. You wouldn't know anything was under you. Perfect tunnel. So we're filming in this and I'm out here, you know, bouncing around and doing my normal Super Day routine. And then one of the viewers points back says, what's that underneath you?

There is a big foot right underneath us. And the big foot underground. You can see the eyes looking at you. Really? It would be a good. That kind of fits the description of fun. I know. Bigfoot, a creature of some sort.

It's not like what you describe a bigfoot. It could be a fallen angel. But right under our feet while we were filming and we did even know it was like. What we think it is. We're not 100% saying it's a big foot. Now, I think I saw it. That's how we found the. No, that's how we found it.

That's how we found it. Because the day before we were scouting, we were going to do a 24-hour. hunt. Terrible idea. It was terrible idea. But we're going to do a 24 hour hunt. We're scouting for campsites on the property to set up camps, base camps, and it's getting sunset, and we walk

back out on the main trail, and I'm looking across at the Bigfoot underground, the ridge and everything. You can see the sun through the trees and stuff. I see this massive figure that's like a grayish black, and all I see is the shoulder, and it's like muscular, and turns and jumps down

into this Bigfoot underground, the lush tunnel and trail. And I'm thinking first, well, maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me because the daylight, you know, it's getting kind of dim and dark. But then I was like,

no, because that was too specific for it to not be something other than I play. And I'm like, when Taylor and the other guy was with us come out, I was like, guys, I think I just saw my first Bigfoot. I was like,

we started looking at it. And then we's like, well, here's what we'll do. We're not going to find it. So let's come back tomorrow and let's investigate in the daylight. We got daylight.

be safer. And then David could come with us because he wasn't present with us at the time. And that's when we come back and the Bigfoot Underground is discovered. And, I mean, the thing's standing right under his feet. He was pale that night because he's like, I don't know how it got going so quick. And then that next day, that's whenever we discovered the canopies, the portals, the bend trees, just a line of them right down the goalie. All right.

So you're saying the next day you discovered the Bigfoot Underground. And you call this because it's. Like it's a tunnel system Because of the tornado Yeah Gotcha There's so many trees down It looks like there's tunnels

Yeah And so it's you can climb through And there's actually an access point Like you could Any of us could actually Get down into Crawl into And you could probably

Almost I wouldn't say almost I wouldn't say fully But you could almost stand up Fuller I didn't want to say it But I didn't know So it's like

It's like It's like So they kind of created its own Little like cave And It's like a hot out And that's where

A lot of that activity happens It's like Holy crap We might found the spot they're hiding and messing with us. Now, why do you, why did you say portals?

Like, what makes you think that there's portals there? I think that I, in the areas where I believe there's portals everywhere. Yeah. Go ahead. And I also believe that they have the ability to cloak. I would have told you that people talking about cloaked big foots were just, you know, cloaked beings, period. I would have just called bunk. And I would have just, there's no proof of that.

These guys had a siding one night where, I was goofing. We were talking about just crazy stuff and then these two got scared to death because they saw something that I didn't see anything. And it was the first time they think that they saw a cloaked creature of some sort. It was freaky.

And we caught so, this was like, we were on the new land, but this was like kind of before, I guess it's about the same probably, you know, when you're like, you're scared to post a video with a title, like, man, they're going to think we're crazy.

And we posted it and everybody's like, oh, that's such click. No, we thought we saw. I mean, it was like, the leaves were just like, the leaves were moving, but we couldn't see what was coming. It was like, whoa, and then sure is crap. I know this sounds, from my perspective, I know it sounds a little odd, but it looked to me like a black translucent rabbit, and it was, you just seen that like moving through the leaves. And we're in the dark, by the way.

And I'm just like, what was that? But what was weird was I saw it, and I didn't really say nothing. And I kind of just, my heart skipped a beat. And I kind of jumped back and had chills. And then Taylor's like, oh, but go, or whatever he usually does reacting. Yeah. That scared me to death. It's the first time I've ever seen Tate scared.

Yeah. Because I didn't know what I just experienced a soul. I didn't know. And that's how I'm like, this is, because I'm goofing around. He's, he's scared. I got to be introduced to the paranormal at this time. This is whenever we're starting to get into like, okay, this could be the paranormal. stuff to it.

I guess I got throwing one thing real quick. I'll ask you a question about this. So we done a documentary with the NFL guys and they had a

camera crew come. We kind of done a video and it's documented our channel. You can watch it. But I take a rock and I think Gary told me to try it or

who I don't know. I may have just tried it myself, but I take a rock. Big size rock. I do like this. Throw it behind my shoulder over my head. Behind me is a little

bit of a drop off like a hill. into a small creek and an embankment and, you know, woods on the other side. I mean, we're talking land water, land water trees everywhere. I mean, and we're in the dark. I throw this rock over my shoulder behind my back. We're waiting to hear the, or whatever. We hear nothing.

What do you think about that? We never heard land. Was one of the players a receiver? He was a running back and catch one out of the back to us. Another one was a toddy. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, like, I don't, I don't know what to think about that. I mean, I don't want to go down.

It's hard to answer. Well, I mean, I don't want to. Yeah. Okay. So, hi, I'm Tony. I'm weird. Hi, Tony. I'm Tate.

I'm weird too. Hi, Tate. So you're talking, is this at the Bigfoot Underground? This was on the new side. This is the forbidden lost land that we figured out we could actually have access. So Bigfoot Underground is the other side. side. Yes, it's on the original side. The OG side, yeah.

Well, I mean, there is the idea of the portal side of things. Yeah, yeah. And it's so weird. We were talking about how far we've come in our mindsets that I think that that is the most logical explanation. I mean,

yeah. That's where we're leaning. That's what I'm thinking, yeah. But, I mean, if you don't hear it come down and you threw this rock and you don't hear anything. So it's interesting because, I mean, I mean, people think, like, portals being like this, but they could be like this. Yeah, exactly. And especially when it comes to, you guys, you guys like the Stranger Things TV show?

Oh, my God. I cannot wait for this last season. But, you know, portals, real quick, sorry interrupted you, but portals, to me, I always think of Dr. Strange and those types of points do I see it. And so think we think of a portal, like a thinning of the veil, right? It doesn't have to be a circle. Sometimes they are. But it can be the thinning of a veil, a threshold. That's what a portal is.

It's a doorway to gateway. It's the threshold. You're crossing a threshold into something else. And that threshold can be above. It can be below. I've said it on the show many times that Stranger Things is way more accurate than what people realize. Thank you. Thank you.

My God, thank you. Because I tell these guys all the time, they tell us more than we ever know on movies and television shows. I have a strong suspicion that the directors of that TV show were given a lot of their ideas, either handed over ideas or I think more than likely they think they dreamt it up in a dream and it was given to them in the astral. They wake up, that was a tribut dream. That would be a great TV show. Do you realize the whole stranger things is based on? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, thanks. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's definitely based off reality to certain states, but how far do you want to go with that? I go very far with it. But I say that because I think it's in the fourth, in the fourth season, the last one with the, what's the new character that everybody loved?

I can't remember his name now. The rocker guy. Eddie, Eddie Munson. Because he was named after Eddie Munson, yeah. That band's like skeleton guy, right? Yeah, so. Oh, yeah. So Eddie Munson and that whole series.

So the portal, though, was in... In the lake. In the lake, it was definitely... It was not a vertical, but it was something that you could go down through or up through. And so just using that, it's definitely something that, in my mind, could be something of that nature. And if you're experiencing all that crazy stuff and you're already going down the route of this could be something of the woo-woo. I don't like really calling it paranormal anymore. I call it more like supernatural.

It's a supernatural nature. Supernatural. Yeah. People always bash the woo-woo. I think there's more evidence of the woo-woo now. When I introduce myself to, when I'm speaking at like a Bigfoot conference, like I introduced myself as a woo-woo guy. Like I'm like, hi, I'm woo-woo.

You know, like, and I had this, I had this joke. I, I, I, uh, it didn't land, but. It went through a portal. It went through a portal. I didn't reach the audience. I, I was, uh, I was, uh, I was, I was trying to tell. I'm not going to tell the essence of the joke, but basically I was saying how when I first came into the Bigfoot scene of things back in 2015 or whatever, I had started

a Facebook group called Pennsylvania Sasquod Research. And in there, you know, people were talking, and I saw this woo-woo stuff. And, you know, somebody would say something and then somebody would come underneath it, woo-woo. And I thought they were cheering them on going, woo-woo. And so, like, I thought woo-woo was a good thing for a longest time, you know? But I tried landing that joke and maybe I told it bad or whatever. But anyways, no, it's definitely as you go into these topics more and more, the more you, like, when you get to a point where you're flesh and blood and you're having these things happen that are unexplainable and you're hearing other people's stories that are unexplainable, you have to like start kind of broading your perspective on this and saying, okay, what else am I missing here? And I think for people like us, we're able to do that because coming from a Christian theological background, you come from, you know, different denominations and all that stuff. But like, generally speaking, you're talking about a supernatural existence, you know.

And so you can kind of make that shift mentally, hopefully at least, because if you don't, if you can't say supernatural existence, then really what is Jesus to you then? but yeah he is he's the definition of supernatural right so but like there is a whole branch of people who are not of that theological understanding more atheistic scientific and i don't understand how they go through all this weird anomalous research and still keep hunting just a physical creature like it like you know i mean and i think i think that's why a lot of times people um they'll they'll go for especially that art maybe aren't like like us, they'll go from this physical side to the woo-woo side and it almost becomes like a worshipable thing,

worshipful thing. Like I've heard so many people say when they go into the forest, it's like their sanctuary. It's like it's a spiritual experience. And I'm like, hmm, that's interesting. Yeah. And so like there's, it becomes that for people.

It could be though. It could be. I want to go to Yellowstone at some point. I want to go experience God's creation and look at the awe and grandeur of that. But at the same time, I don't expect to go there to find Jesus per se, but I'm not, who's to say he's not there? But if someone is using the wilderness or any property to surpass Jesus and say, hey, this is, this is my sanctuary, this is my church, well, who are you worshiping in that church? The moment you exit Jesus out of any of it is bad woo-woo.

bad juju. I'm sorry. There's a good woo-woo and a bad woo-woo. I say ju-ju. Yeah. That's bad juju. So, you know, with us, the other night when he was knocking on the tree and he had the incident on the tree, we're not, I don't want to do a lot. By the way, I just had something else happen. I didn't do a lot of, you know, there's an old pagan ritual where, you know, it's like in a knock on wood, which we're not going to knock on the desk here.

The idea was the pagans would go out into the forest and they would knock on the trees. The idea is the demons lived in the trees, the devils. And the devils would come out and they would make a deal with the devil. They would ask a request of the devil. I need you to go and take care of my neighbor. I want you to go and blight his crop. I need you to go. He slept with my daughter, kill this guy, whatever the case.

Maybe they were making deals with the devil. So here we are at here knocking on trees all the time and we're going, hmm. So we changed the way we do things, you know. And so here's Tate. He's wailing away on the tree. you know, and he has something happen. What happened to you, Tate? Well, I'm on a...

That side of the property has really messed you up. By the way, we need to... The scratches on your neck. Well, we need to get their back. We need to get the Fear Rock after this. Oh, yeah. So I'm not going to get into details, but I'm going through a very... One of the toughest times in my life.

I mean, we're talking on the brink. And I'm okay. But I'm just, I'm struggling with a lot. things. I'm struggling with something in particular and just a lot of things. I ain't going to get in details about it, but it's affecting my everyday life, everything. And, you know, recently I've removed myself from the podcast. I've not really been on many investigations except these guys trying to drag me out there, which I appreciate it. I love y'all for that. I appreciate it. And the select few times I've went recently, I've had very interesting experiences. And the last

time we were out there. We had a new, we used a baseball bat now. Wooden baseball bat to knock on trees, and that's kind of our thing, you know. But we had a new bat, and I was putting it to work, putting it to the test, and really, really knocking on trees. I was doing everything. You know, David's always said the same about three knocks good, two knocks bad. I was doing that. I was doing all kinds of crazy knocks, just trying to see what would happen.

He was being very aggressive and disrespectful. Yeah, and let's say, what do you think about that? You were in a mood. Yeah, I was in a mood. I was feeling some type of way for the younger folks. So I'm through my supernatural experiences and, you know, paranormal supernatural investigating, I've always been very cautious and respectful. And I don't want to piss anything off.

I don't want to take anything home with me, nothing like that. But now I kind of feel, right now I feel bulletproof. I just kind of feel like I ain't got nothing to lose. I have no fear. and I was taking a Zach Began's approach to it. Come and fight me. Yeah. And it's on camera. I'm just like talking smack to whatever's out there.

Bigfoot, ghost, dog man, whatever. We're hearing stuff by the way. We're having activity. And I'm trying to lure this thing out to us instead of, you know, always trying to lure us into it and distract us, whatever. I'm trying to get to come out and show itself and do whatever. I'm like, oh, you ain't all, whatever. Just I'm talking smack.

and then all of a sudden I get the most excruciating headache and sick to my stomach and I'm asking them, I'm like, guys, you ever had a random headache just pop up out of nowhere and it feels like your head is splitting in half? And then Dave is like, yeah. I'm married.

Sorry, Shug. But, my wife. Yeah, so, yeah, I'm having this excruciating headache that pop up out of nowhere and I'm sick of my stomach. My legs feel weird. week and I'm basically down on all fours and I'm just kind of there trying to fight through it. They're around me just make sure I'm okay and trying to keep an eye on the activity and make

sure we don't need to kind of get out of there if it's getting too bad. And, you know, didn't you start praying? Oh, I was, I was praying a whole lot of the time. Yeah. But when you got back up and whaled on the tree, what happened? He wailed before it happened. I got sick. But no, when you,

but say, so you left at a key point. He's whaled on the tree. Yeah. And he's mowing off. And you hit the ground. Oh, oh, oh.

Okay. So let me back up a little bit before I got sick. I was well on that tree and I was doing the Zach Bang and Smack Talk. I forgot about that. Yeah. Oh, I didn't. Maybe I had concussion from it. I didn't.

So I literally turned to walk towards David and Taylor. And at the time, we kind of were back. and fourth by I didn't know what it was. It was a projectile. It was a rock. I'm going to go and tell you it was a rock. This rock flies right in front of my face,

hits a tree beside me, and I just basically dropped to the ground. It's all on camera. He dove. Yeah. And he doesn't get up the rest of the time. And I'm laying there the whole time. Got sick.

And then. All right. So you said it was a rock flew by you, right? It had to be a rock. What happened to him, Taylor? I thought it was a rock that flew by and hit the bark and splintered and went off. somewhere.

But, and then I asked him on the video, I was like, how's your walk with God being and all that? And he, I mean, you just basically told that story what you just said. I mean, I thought it was a projectile coming through. Like, that's me. Yeah. I like, I think it came out of the tree. Portal.

I think it came out of the tree because to me, it didn't look like something hit the twig. It looked like whatever the twig was exploded out of the tree. You guys have it on video? It's on video. I don't know that you can see the whole. I'm filming the other way. And then all of a sudden, when I'm panning back, that's when takes. It's almost, from what I've seen on the footage, it's almost simultaneous.

It's like he's panning back towards me and all of a sudden you hear, or you kind of, you see me and you hear and then I dive. And it's just like, I'm telling you, it was a rock. I don't know where it came from, but it was a rock. So take that situation, what you got going on now. And I don't want to get deep in the podcast. call nobody out, call you out, whoever out. But since this situation has started, we find Fear Rock. Mm-hmm.

And then you get the scratches on your back. And I do not like Fear Rock. Are you putting to, putting, you're picking up when I'm laying down. But anyway, you get the scratches on your back. Yeah. Pages ear starts burning. I'm pretty sure Hillary has something going on. But this is Fear Rock.

Okay. Okay. I'm going to, I know what you're trying to say, but I'm going to disagree. Okay. I'm going to disagree just because I don't think that has to do anything with that. We've always thought since we started having the paranormal supernatural encounters, yeah. And yeah, a polter pod, got to get one. We think, yeah, we need a new one. Native American is kind of where we go for the paranormal supernatural realm.

And we think that's what's tied into the Bigfoot activity along with the supernatural activity we're getting. And in between all that, we're trying to deviate between those and distinguish also Dogman. Because we've had some questionable stuff that we can't say is Bigfoot, can't say it's ghost. And I didn't believe in Dogman until we saw the lights. We're late blooms on Dogman. Yeah. Welcome to the club. Yeah.

And then we did that pot. So we were late blooms. We saw the lot flashing. Then all of a sudden, this is on the new side of property near Fear Rock. After we find Fear Rock, we've got a poultry pod. And you know whenever something scans through radios, there's no cussing in North Carolina on the radio. I don't know about Tennessee, but it'll beep out any type of F bombs, any bombs you want to drop. But we were down there by the river when we found the in a van down by the river.

We were down by the river where we saw these lights flashing and there was these giant dog prints. We've got that on camera too. And they kind of just morphed into a dog down into the water coming up off the bank. But we fired up the poultry pod and Tate was asking a question. What's a poultry pod? So a poultry pod is more of pretty much a spirit box. A spirit box on steroids. Pretty much.

I mean, this thing, you got to get them special made. There's a guy that does it. I don't know his name. He didn't send me a free one, so I'm not going to give him a shout out. So then, so what's crazy about that? Getting to the poultry pod, how good it is. We were at the place called the Eurostron. I'm not going to get in the.

to that investigation, but, dude, this polter pod turned on the next day before we went back in the backseat of my Bronco, and it turned on a Christian station. I'm like, what the heck? It just, that thing, it's easy to turn on, but it was like, and it got hung up on a Christian station. I'm like, what the heck? I go back, open the door, falls out, buses on the ground. So I have to put it back together.

I've had to put this thing back together three times, and right now it's in half again. But we get to the poultry pod, and we get to the near fear of all. And this is when we find the dog prints and Tate's holding it. Tate's held her, I mean, David's held our old spirit box on the other side of property. And it does good with me and Tate. Well, on this new side of property, it does pretty good with Tate. Tate's like saying something. It's like, your mom.

Tate's like, what about my mom? A BITC.H is what? Yeah. And I'm like, wow, you don't hear that very often. And this thing will, like, just cuss you on that side of property. But is it? And it's all near the water. But the dog man, it was dog prints, man.

And they formed in like... Well, there was a larger print that this is in a sandbar. And I mean, when I say sandbar, it's like walking on a sand dune. And there was a large print. And as it walked, I mean, I'm going to make up, you know, it's probably 100 feet that we, you know, you could see this track. And as it went, it morphed into a dog. you know, it is, it was a very weird. It was like maybe a footprint, maybe.

I mean, because it's in sand, so there's no definitive. It's on this. This is fine, soft sand. This is like creek sand, okay, play sand, if you will. It was a large print, and then it started, you know, like the hill got narrow, and then the pads came out. You could start seeing, like, the claws for the dog, you know. Yeah.

And it went from, you know, through this little 150-foot section, And then it went into a full canine and stepped into the water. And what was weird is the only reason it got us down there at that time, we were up at Fear Rock messing around with the poultry pod. And we saw this bright. It was like a white light just down there. And then you saw the amber lights across the river. And that got us all just down there. And that's when we found them.

And I'm telling you that. See, here's the thing about us. We've had so many activities. Yes. Encounters, what have you. And we went so, we go so many times. I mean, literally. Yeah, UFOs.

We are there almost weekly. So much footage that we, I mean, stuff we trash because nothing happens or we, it's kind of debatable. But like, we post the highlights on our channel on YouTube and social media. I don't run social media anymore, but, you know, I stick to the YouTube. And like, it's just, it's amazing how much activity we get. We forget about it. And then we're like, oh, my God.

And I just thought of one when you said that, the two big eyeballs just standing there, lurching Novak tree looking at us across the creek. And it just was like looking at us. Yeah. This is all on the new side. It's on the new side, but it's taking on the old side. It's like a 15-minute video. So it's not like a, oh, there's two seconds of something that floated and was gone.

It's like. We had a staring contest with it. Yeah. Looking at the old side. So, all right. You got the old side, the new side. And you said you do the old side part-time is, have you guys tried doing where, like, split teams on both sides? We want to do that.

And that may be in the works, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. This, the best way I can put this, and I'm not knocking them off, if anyone out there is listening, we have the, what we call the North Carolina version of the Skimwalker Ridge. I am telling you, once you come, if you ever get to come, you're going. We're accused of staging here lately, you know, because we have so many rocks get thrown. And you're going to see me with rocks in my hand, you know, waiting to pitch and toss. And you'll hear, if you ever watch the videos, it's like, okay, guys, this is me.

Throw them back. You know, I'll toss a couple and I've got them obviously in my hands waiting to throw some more. You know, spoiler alert people. We do throw rocks, but we tell you when we do it. Do you know, do you guys, it'd be interesting if you haven't done this and maybe you have. Do you guys map where on this property you guys have a certain activity? We used to on the old side, didn't we? We had a whole map and everything.

We had an aerial map. It was pretty cool. We would pin. Yeah. where we'd have, you know, encounters and activities. But now we can take you right to them. Yeah, I mean. The new side of the property, I'm telling you, when you see it, we don't really get deep in the woods.

When we get through January, mid-January, all the hunting will be over with. Yeah, Bigfoot season. Yeah. And then, you know, we're not worried, you know, because there's only a few spots where, you know, you say, hey, how did they get in here? And why is there a deer stand? Yeah. You know, and I'm not going to argue with a hunter because he's got the rifle. I don't.

That's the only bad thing about the new side. The other side was strictly in there besides the wedding people. I'm going to be honest with you, though. I don't know what they're hunting because there's a lot of times we don't ever see wildlife or any signs of it. I don't know. That is something too. DeAngelo goes on all those guided trips and he said that this is the only woods, him pure skeptic that he's ever been into and never seen a squirrel.

We've seen them occasionally, but never seen squirrels, raccoons, dears, nothing. Well, that's now like me as a hunter, I've seen tracks on the new side. but it's not prevalent and it's not consistent. And like I was saying, you don't hear signs of squirrel. Like it's weird how it works. There's not signs of squirrel. I don't know what's going on. We've heard coyote signs at that time.

That's what I was saying. The skeptics were there. Coyotes going crazy. You give out your call. Coyotes start going crazy. Yeah, yeah. DeAngelo's skeptic. I keep referring back to them because it's a credible skeptic.

They had a name at the time. He still played at this time. He was playing with the Steelers at this time. and the you give out the yell you hear coyotes just going crazy won't shut up we're like guys the hunt the night's going to be ruined and all of a sudden you hear David give you big old yell just a Sasquatch yell comes in and just shuts them down and they're you know you got these two NFL guys look at you're like what's that

that's on camera too that's a big foot that's yeah wow wow uh so you guys uh I think you should map the area that you're on now. The area that you're on now is so your cousin owns it, but it's public that hunters can go on it? Well, there's parts of South Mountain that butts up to the property. It conjoins it intersections. So I think you can't, you know, we can walk so far in. We're actually on, you know, state-on property.

It's, you know, it's a national park. So, I mean, you know, and then there's portions of it. You can allow to hunt. There's portions of other people's properties, too. Yeah, I mean, there's this one section, you know, we were doing a hunt for a video for Cabellas and a Bass Pro. And I had been in a part of the property I'd never been to before. Oh, you went way out. Yeah.

And I was not prepared. I didn't have any water. I almost had a heat stroke. And I got so turned around and I walked up on a sign that was as big as your wall. It says, no trespassing. If you enter beyond this point, you will be shot. do not cross this line do not cross the creek turn around and go back and i'm like i'll kid you not and i'm like holy cow i've so far deep into the part of the property i've never been before

and i'm like i don't know where i'm at and so i'm like i can't cross that creek you know i don't i mean i don't know who i'm dealing with and so i mean i never got back to base camp and when i did i was i really was in bad shape i hadn't lost 30 pounds at that i never knew what that sign said. Do you believe in the men in black? I mean, I believe in shadow government. Yeah.

I believe in shadow organizations. I don't, I don't know if I want to call them the men in black. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think we've,

I think we've ran into a couple of those. I've got it on video. Out there on the property? No. Actually, yes, because they pulled up on our base camp. Yeah, and there's a little in the parking lot. Yep.

And then SUV just kind of pulled up, set there, and then all blacked out. So we can give you a recent one. Tell them the recent story about McDonald's. Sorry to shout out of McDonald's, but. We did a video a couple weeks ago called the Lyle Creek Bigfoot. Somebody called us. We went and done the interview with him.

He didn't want to show his face. This is all, you can look this up. It's documented through the town. You can look it up on Google. So we did Lyle Creek. The following two days, the Monday, the park is shut down due to killer bees. I go, I pull up and I start filming the signs that say,

hey, sorry, the park closed down to killer bees, whatever. And I'm like, I call David. I'm like, and I call Tate. I'm like, guys, y'all won't believe this. The park's shut down because it's right near my house. And I'm like, this is insane. And we did the guy's interview.

We went out and done the investigation. We didn't really find that much. There was a, it was within a neighborhood. There was a neighborhood on one side, but it was, it run right beside a river water. So it's shut down. And then while I'm out there filming, it. I swear to you, Tony, I swear to your listeners. I'm sitting here filming the signs and I'm

like, guys, this is really weird for just an update for our little podcast that we do and just a follow up for the investigation. And all of a sudden, an SUV pulls up. I've got it on camera. I'm in my work truck. I'm at, and I've got, and I'm filming, I'm like, everybody's comment. Why don't you stop and ask them? Why don't you stop and ask people? So all of a sudden, it was, it was just a, it wasn't fully blacked out. Like, it was like a, Cadillac or something just pulls up, tinted windows, sits there and stairs. I mean, I just drive off and I call them. I'm like, it's weird that the park was shut down.

I video it all. The park is shut down. The SUV pulls up for me and just stairs. And then we go into our investigation that week. And I wish I could contact that restaurant and see their drop through. Or the security cameras or something. The security cameras. They're, Tate and I leave.

Tate's behind me. Tate's nosy. And, uh, no, I just have to. I'm sitting there. I pull up to the window and the lady leans out and says something. And I look back at Tate and I'm like, like this. But she says, the car, not the car in front of you, but the car two in front of you paid for your food. And I'm like, oh, really?

Not this one. She said, not this one, but the one that pulled up. And I look up and I swear, I swear on my life, God struck me dead. I'm a Christian. I do not swear it like that. But the thing, it's a blackout. It's not what you would think. I mean, it was like a blackout.

out charger. Literally, Woo. Take and see it. Gets on the interstate. And that was right after one of our investigation. Paid for my food. And Tate's like,

what happened out the window? Because I was like, I went back and I went, hey, yeah. Then I started thinking. I was like, yo, that was a car two in head.

I mean, when I looked out, it was a blacked out thing. And then Tate's like, what happened? So he calls me in the drive-through. He's leaving. He's like, dude, I got my food paid for.

I got free. I was like, well, heck, I wish I got my paid for. and then like he's telling me it was not the car in front of him. I was like, well, who was it? And then that car went down in the interstate that was just zoomed off. I was like, oh. And here's the thing.

Him and I both didn't recognize the vehicle. So we don't, it's not like someone that knew us, knew us. I don't, you know what I'm saying? I mean, people do that all the time, but I was just like, with coincidence. But two cars in front, though, it was literally the same week. If I saw the SUV, the park got shut down, I don't know. It's kind of weird. Were we the ones that got the park shut down reporting the Bigfoot investigation?

I don't know, but it was literally shut down. You can look it up, Lyle Creek, Greenway, and Connaver, North Carolina was shut down. Dude, killer bees. You keep, you guys keep going. Water. There's water again. Yeah. Why?

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Four? Four. You got Satan, Michael, Gabriel. An Abidon. An Abidon. Okay, what do we call, like, the ocean? What are different names for it? You got the sea.

Okay. Sea, ocean. The abyss. Waters of the deep. Yeah. Waters of the deep, the abyss, all that. And now, David, you can just take it away with it and run with it. Oh, and then a couple weeks ago, four people for the government that were up there talking to the Senate saying that

The aliens, all the alien sightings are real. They're coming from the water. Okay. And then just to keep that in mind, I mean, fallen angels to me. When did they start the nuclear testing? Think about that. And where did they test that? Nevada and stuff.

When they did someone in Nevada, where did most? Oh, drops them into ocean? Yeah, most nuclear testing took place in the sea. Crap. I wonder why. Holy crap. That just gave me cool. I wonder why.

They said in 1954 this when they, It's just what they, you know, this is just all, you know, in full hat stuff on the internet. 1954 is when they discovered the presence of aliens in the ocean. That's what they said in the hearings? I didn't say in the hearings. That's just what you hear on the internet, the chatter and stuff, you know. And I haven't done a lot of research on that, so I'm just putting it out there.

I just never, I never thought about the dropping the nukes in the water. But it just, they got videos and everything, yeah. I got to check that to myself. It says right here in the book of Revelations, you know, Chapter number nine, it says Fifth Trumpet, you know, above this. It says the locust from the bottomless pit. And it says. But hold on a second.

It says the bottomless pit. Everyone thinks that there's going to be this hole. It's just, you know, you're going to look down. But, you know, in the ocean, what's the deepest point that we know of? Just the Titanic part. It's the Mariana Trench. Oh, okay. The Mariana Trench is the deepest one that we know of.

I'm not saying that it is the deepest one. This is the fifth angel. It says then the fifth angel sounded and I saw a star falling from heaven to the earth. The hymn was given the key to the bottomless pit. Okay. And we're not going to go into all this.

I mean, you guys can read, you know, this. But it goes in and it says basically they're releasing Abidon. Okay. And Abidon's coming from the bottomless pit and smoke arose from it. And so you were just talking earlier about stranger things and the portal was in the lake. Pacific Rim, the portal was in the ocean,

was in the Pacific Ocean. You know, you get to the bottom of the spot. Well, how deep is the rift that's in the bottom of the crust? Where does that go to? Does it go to another dimension? It gets to be really scary, but, you know, There's always a water source when you're talking about this stuff with us. We're typically near water when a lot of our bigger things are happening.

And it just happens to be that the Henry River walks or cuts through this property. And the further you, if you follow the Henry River back all the way up, past through, back through Mount State Park, everywhere you go through there, you're going to find someone who's going to have a story, a remnants, something that they're going to talk about. about Bigfoot. Whether it's Nobby, the Tim Peeler incident, you get up through Kesar,

all those, you just, as you follow it back up, every community you get to is going to have some kind of activity that they're going to relate to a crypted creature of some sort, whatever they choose to call it,

whatever nickname, Woodbigger, Bigfoot, you know, the bog monster, it makes no difference. It's there. And,

but when you go back to scriptures, as it's talking about the abyss, which is, you know, rising out of the ocean. Well, it's just coincidental. Yeah. You know, it just happened to have a handy Bible here with. The locusts are supposed to have the pocket bible. It describes the locust in it, too, just the way they look, and is that the UFOs? Is that like that?

The locust actually have the faces of men, and they have teeth, and they say that when the locust are reliefs, they're going to, They're going to, for so many years, they're going to be released onto humanity, and they're going to bite and eat and tear it to flesh, but the flesh will never die, and that man will seek death and death will escape them. So, I just think, like I said, it's kind of wild. I just think it was kind of weird. They gave him the keys to the obis, and the deepest parts that we know of are in the water, in the ocean. They're saying that the locusts are going to come from the deepest parts.

Is that fallen angels? Is that the shape shifting? You never know. And then you're saying they're dropping bombs out in the ocean. That's kind of crazy. Yeah, I didn't think you'd heard that yet. And I was, you know, and I'm a big Godzilla nut. Okay.

I love the Godzilla movies. Okay. And everybody says, well, that's all make, believe. Is it? Yeah. Is it? How do we know? How big were the dinosaurs that you guys knew of?

Because you do know that according to the Bible, that we lived. with the dinosaurs. Yeah. Yeah. It says, it says we, we walk with the behemoth and we swam with the Leviathan. I just had a biologist in here this week saying that dinosaurs still walk the earth in certain areas. Absolutely. And they're documenting these things right now.

And there's this, there's this one tribe. And I can't tell you to the jungle or it's, when you hear about it being like a jungle or rainforest, it's not where you think, hey, this, that's rainforest. and the local people are talking about this specific creature, and they called a certain name. And they're like, oh, yeah, it lives down over, and these dinosaurs are still walking and breathing and living, and you're going, you know, but that's the kind of stuff that I'm still skeptical.

I'd like to see it with my own eyes. I have a question for you, Tony, and it can be edited out. You can decline to answer it, whatever you choose. Is the earth flat? No. Let me put it this way. I don't believe the Earth is flat. If the Earth was flat, it wouldn't change how I wake up in the morning.

See, I agree with you on that. You want to give you a spill? I don't think the moon landing is real at all. Like, I just don't. There's no way that to me. I'm not getting into that. It was kind of conspiracy. There's no way, have they been to the moon possibly.

Well, that one time that they were firing missiles at the moon, it rang like a bell for something like that. But anyway, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to say it's flat. I mean, there's, but there's not a real picture of the Earth from outer space. There's not a real one. There's not a real picture of a satellite.

I just took a picture. I just took a screenshot. There's not a real picture of a satellite in outer space. All you see is the clips from NASA in their pools. But anyway, that's me. Well, the reason I thought about that question. The ice wall. And the dinosaur.

That's kind of what I was going with that. I don't have to be flat. Do they have an ice wall? I know, but I was curious about, that's where it comes from. I don't know. I get weird about it. earth. I get weird about it.

Talk was my worst thing I could have ever found. Yeah, I don't know what I believe. I don't believe that the moon landing was real. You're telling me that he called them from a landline in the... I think... I think there's a strong argument to be made that the moon landing, the first moon landing that broke the ice and everything was hoaxed. Yeah.

I think that it's definitely a possibility we did accomplish it. The biggest thing that I have... on that is why is it that we can't get through the Van Allen belt now? Bingo. That's my thing. Bingo. Well, we lost the technology. I'm like, ah.

That's why, that's why. Then that's why I'm like, is like, do they really, I get it. There's stuff that orbit, like Starlink orbits and all that. But is it really as far as way as they're saying it is? Or is there a balloon attached to it carrying it kind of like the Chinese spy balloon that they said was a Chinese spa balloon? That they said was a Chinese spot. Which was created first? Oh, here.

The Earth or the stars. So I saw this the other day, and I took a screenshot. It's so crazy that I took a screenshot. I don't even think about flat earth stuff. But I just found interest because every time you see around Earth from space, they're like, oh, it's a fish-eyed lens. But this doesn't seem like a fish-eyed lens to me. Yeah, see, that's what I don't get.

So I saw that picture. And then I saw the member when Elon Musk apparently sent the Tesla to space. That was a while ago. It glitzed out behind the screen. Yeah, yeah. Like, that was like almost the same angle. But why can't it ever show like, why is it always going to go show like a little clip? Why can't they ever show like the full-fledged thing?

And then I don't tell them you're a flat-Earthor. I'm not a flat-Earth. Didn't you ever see the TV? I'm not bad. Didn't you ever see the movie, Rocket Man, the old Disney movie Rock-Man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's in that movie. It's a little giant blueberry.

I mean, that looks real to me, but I don't, I mean. I like aggravating televised. So does AI pictures. Yeah. There's some AI pictures of crew. Yeah, no, I avoid the topic on the show a lot because. it's just so toxic. And I find it annoying because, like, everybody gets moody about it.

I don't get moody about it. I don't either. I just like, dude, I don't, yeah, I'll just talk about it. That's, like, I know I've said it before in the show, but, like, anybody who's like, why haven't you ever done a flat earth? It's because I find it annoying to talk about it because every, it doesn't matter what is said, somebody gets all grumpy about it. And I don't know why.

I don't know why it's like that. Like, I'm just like, you know, like, literally for me, if, it doesn't know, if, it's He did that on purpose. I did. I'm not getting grumpy. Oh, he gets grumpy about it. He's the grumpy one? Yeah.

Well, it's a running joke between me and him. We talk about flat earth. We even talk about gravity on the way up here. Just argue back for it. It's just a little running joke we have. Gravity don't exist. Gravity exists and why do trees grow up? Why do you float?

Here we go. Here we go. Why do flames go up? Like, why don't they go down? I got them going for you. No, no, no. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

It's all confusing to me. I'm not a scientist. Yeah, I mean, none of us are right? So just a quick question. When you look up at a cloud and you know it's fixing the rain and you think about an average rain cloud floating overhead at the 30,000 level mark. Okay, there's 30,000 feet overhead and it's fixing to dump an inch of rain over a 10 mile square area. And it's just dumped billions of gallons of water. How did it float?

Billions. Billions. Billions? Billions with a big. this whole area just got flooded out, okay, from a terrible hurricane. And I'm telling you, are you talking about a cloud or a cloud? I don't like you into that. I'm talking about a storm cloud.

Yeah, a torrential, yeah, we didn't want you. A torrential storm cloud, okay. On average, sometimes these things are upwards of 30, 40 million gallons for just a passing thunderstorm. Well, you're talking about it spread out over a six or seven mile area. And this thing's floating down in. It takes an hour too for it to dissipate. You think how much rain it's dropping. How did it float?

I got a gallon of milk in my, in my refrigerator, and it never leaves the shelf. Well, when water evaporates, it goes up. But it's still water. I know, but it goes up. Why don't I go down? I'm just, I'm just saying when you start getting into the theory of gravity and how it works. This is a flat earth. They're trying to rebound.

I'm a logical person. Yeah. He's like, see, I'm not a flat earth. It wasn't real. Really? I'm on your side. So our pastor is a water expert. He's a phase four water technician in the state of North Carolina.

And he can give you so many facts about clouds and atmospheric conditions. And he's, he enlightens me so much in the Bible. And he gives me so much food and fruit that I can go and get meat off of and say, oh, my God, I can sink my teeth into this. And you think, how does that cloud float overhead? Mm-hmm. And, you know, I mean, you think about it. Okay.

And gravity is, I mean, Something's holding the can to the table. All right. But then I'm going to go out here. I'm going to jump on a 747 jet and it weighs, you know, what, you know, 200, 300,000 pounds. And I'm going to float from one state to the next and land. Think about it. But gravity's real.

We had that argument already. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of going. So let your mind expand. I don't know. Is the earth flat? Is it round?

I don't know. When I get to heaven, I'll look down the sea. Exactly. But some things we're not meant to know. It's right. now. Maybe it's a bowl. Yeah.

It's flat on top, around the bottom. Everybody's happy. Yeah. There you go. Split. Best of both worlds. Yeah. Yeah.

It's weird to me. So Bigfoot. Yeah. Bigfoot. The unknown. Just like I know where Mount Zion is, it's in the North Pole

because all comes to this point north, but that's where the Garden of Eden is too. Yeah. But. So something else. Do you think the Garden of Eden's in the North Pole? I do. Something else.

I really do. Interesting. Where's the only place in the world? Goferwood can be found. In Florida. Not in Turkey. Bingo. In Florida.

It all used to be together before the flood. It's the only, yep, it's the only place in the world that gopherwood can be found. Grown. But if they found gopherwood in Turkey where the arch landed. I think it all, I think it was all together at one time. Like, I mean, scientists even think that. The flood came, separated it all. It turned into foreheads.

And if you look at the old maps of the North Pole, Mount Zion, Island is there. Well, Rufus Negro or whatever it was called was up there. And now there's four rivers that went out of it. If you look at these old maps and it said that the Garden of Eden had four heads come out of it. I mean, dude, it's deep. And then all compasses

point north to, I don't know, I think it leads you home. Well, the thing, that's a whole other point. Here's the thing about us. Like, that's what we do. We're outside the box thinkers and what we do think and say and believe. And it's those type of conversations and thought processes

as we go through that we adapt into our investigations. And that's how... And this comes back to Dogman and Bigfoot. It does. That's what I'm saying. It always correlates in some way. In some way. Old maps. And I think you may have posted a video about this the other day, too.

Those same old maps used to have Dog Man down in the Columbia area and all that. Because we did a podcast on it a few years, a few months ago, too. So we did, we did, recently just came out with an episode. I think I called it, um, ancient historical dogman, I think is what I called it. and I had Seth Vayner, I think his last name is Vaynerbrook. He's a young guy. He's like 25. But he started, if I remember correctly, he just loves like old maps and things like that. And he started getting these old maps and seeing these things and he started researching it.

And now he's in a unique situation where his church hired him to basically research the Bible and answer people's questions because they get so many people asking questions and stuff. So his job is to just research and he loves it. But he has over, he has thousands of documents that refer to dog-headed people from thousands of years ago. And from his ancient historians to explorers like Marco Polo. Yeah, they really. Yeah. That's the god that Egyptians worship, half dog. Yeah.

Yeah. And like even St. Christopher is depicted as having a doghead. and some, I guess he said that St. Christopher, there's a lot of different stories of how that all came together, but some of the legend is that St. Christopher was a sign of syphilis that was one of the dog-headed people that the monks were, there was a monk and a missionary, I forget their names, both started with an R, but they were debating if, not if they existed, but is it, are they human enough for us to witness to for salvation? And the legend has it that St. Christopher was actually one of those sinusaphyl that converted to Christianity

and then would go and share the gospel with the sinusephali. Which is interesting. It is interesting. It is because of it. The Giants, the giant ring, I think you posted about it too, that they found. Yeah, Chattanooga. Yeah, yeah, do you think that's real? I want to believe it's real.

I want to be a giant bones and they got rid of them. No, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about the giant ring. Oh, no, no, yeah, I believe that. Those pictures, you saw him? You think that's real? 100% I do. Just because how big was how many cubic feet was, and I don't know how much time we had that the king in the Bible,

how many cubic feet was his bed? Oh, the one that got the bed made for him. Hold on a second. We're talking about the giant ring in the sky. Oh, no, no, no, no. I was talking about the actual ring. Oh, okay. You posted it too, and then David posted it too.

It's like a gigantic ring. When you said giant ring, I was thinking down in, there's pictures that came out a couple months ago down in Chattanooga. Somebody took these pictures of like this giant ring in the sky, like glowing. Oh, that is. I think it's orange or yellow. It looked like a portal opening up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

When I see those, I'm so suspect of AI anymore. Yeah, I know. That's why I was asking if you're like, I was real. I was like, maybe that big ring was in Chattanooga. I believe I've seen it. I don't, it was local. But I think the ring was found here in the United States. I'm not sure about that, but nonetheless, the giant ring, you know, led us into the Bible

where we're talking about, you know, one of the kings in the Bible was said to have been a giant son of an ephelm, you know, offspring of an angel. His bed was, I think he was 14 to 17 feet tall, you know, and his bed was so many cubits wide. I mean, it was like eight or nine feet. Who was this, Nymrod? I don't think it was Nymrod. I had to go back and look. But he was in the book of Nimrod's where we found it.

It might have been Nimrod. Well, those are a sign. I'm pretty sure it was in Book of the book of... But it all goes back to Pickfoot to me. Like, was that the... Fallen Angels. That's the... Yeah, that's where you're at right now?

The Nephlin theory and fallen angels, that's where we're at currently. Yeah, I mean, I think it could be a lot of different things, a combination of things, where it's like... They could be ancient creatures from old. that come from maybe some type of Nephilim. I could go to even the route of maybe it's a creation of gods that

he created and it was only meant for him and not meant for us. And what were those creations called? What the abominations with the Nephom or what? God did create something to do a specific task. And they were called the Watchers.

Not Squatchwage Watchers. Not the Swatchwaters. Episode over. But look. God did create us, but not for that. On a moons of people, we'll dive into that. We'll go an offshoot. We'll go back into the watchers on that.

Yeah, but the Bible speaks of the watchers. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, I think that there could be even an angle of human creation through alchemical means. Like, if you're talking like these are supernatural beings that were created supernaturally, and you've got people who are doing. alchemical type things. And then you look at the governments and stuff,

is it possible that they're creating these things? Are they looking at something that they know exists or at least once existed and they are trying to recreate? I mean, we just had, I think it was earlier this year, late last year, science is like literally, they're like, we could bring back the woolly mammoths. And so it's like, you know, could they be taken old creatures of old and bringing them into modern times?

I thought they could. I'll tell you what. accomplished it, didn't it? Oh yeah, I think they did. Or they were on the cusp, like, we're going to do this. About 2028? They were going to bring the dodo bird back also

from extinction. Yeah. Yeah. I think the mammoths are supposed to be here about 2028 or something like that. Well, bring them back, I guess. Whatever. It's the Jurassic Park thing,

that's like another. Is it maybe a year anymore? There's, so there's a story that I've, I've told this on the show before, but I'll tell you guys because you're new. But when I moved here, there was a farmer who reached out to me asking if I wanted to buy a cow and, you know, I was like, yeah, sure, I'll take half,

you know. Like, welcome to. Hey, I want to buy a cow? Oh my gosh. So, but we got to talk in and he was a listener of the show. And he said that when he was a kid growing up, he's around my age, I think he's late 30s, he said when he was a kid growing up talking to the old timers that were here when, during World War II and leading up to World War II. They said that during the construction of Oak Ridge,

which is known as a secret city, nobody knew as being built, top secret stuff, that is when they started seeing a white Bigfoot running around here. And Smoky Mountains, the legend of the white Bigfoot is very strong around here. And, you know, again, it goes back to the design aspect the things because you hear about these cryptids running around military properties, you know, is it something that, and I'm not saying only, I've got to be very specific here when I say this, not just to you guys, but everybody listening, I'm not saying that my, that a theory is that only big foot can be, is here because of created through, you know, military or things like that. But I think what could be happening is a lot of different options all at the same time.

we could have remnant. We could have things that are designed by government entities. We could have interdimensional beings that resemble these things. We could have interdimensional beings that resemble these things and some of them are trapped here because they don't have the supernatural ability that some others have to transcend dimensions. If you think about how DNA works with people, and I've used this before on the show, but again, you guys are new. I have a twin brother and sister who, one, obviously, girl, but they look completely different. My sister Danielle, like light brown hair, blonde, very fair skin. My brother Donnie, darker hair than me, darker than me, and they're twins. They got, they're twins, but different DNA. So if we're talking about, you know, remnant of nephalum

type thing or something that was supernatural, could it be that some of these beings have capabilities that other ones do not? So there's so many different ways to look at this. And I, I don't, I think, we trap ourselves sometimes into thinking, I want to figure this out. So I think Bigfoot is this. And it's like, well, let's do, I think Bigfoot is this, this, this, and this. And it could be all of it together. It could be that, you know, what we're seeing over here is Bigfoot jumping out of a portal. And then this thing over here that looks like Bigfoot that came out of a lab on a government facility, maybe not, neither one is Sasquatch, you know, but they look similar. There's so many different ways to

to go about thinking about this. And it's just, you know, and I feel like I have kindred spirits here, you know. Like, I just feel like we're all on the same page where it's like, it's a very big mystery. You can't be close-minded to this thing. Yeah. There's no one answer that fits at all. We had people to give us looks whenever we're speaking like, they hate it, but I'm glad we're here with you. Well, the sad part about it is if you went out and done a poll like in the streets out here or anywhere, you could ask people, like the simple question, what is Bigfoot?

because most people know what Bigfoot, you know, they think what they know what Bigfoot is. You ask them, what is Bigfoot? You could give them multiple choice or you could just ask them point blank or have them fill in the blank,

whatever. Most of them are going to say a giant human like ape. And that's where everybody's, most people have left it over these years. And I mean, that's why you have to come in this overminded. Yeah.

I mean, so going to the topic of dog man, so over here in north, middle Tennessee, the Fort Campbell, which is, I think Fort Campbell, I think technically overlaps Tennessee and Kentucky. I think the back 40 is on the Kentucky side in Clarksville, if I remember correctly.

But Fort Campbell is apparently a hotbed for dogman activity to the point that the soldiers that are stationed on Fort Campbell, know about dogman, they talk about dog man, they call it out over the radio. It's attacked the soldiers during operations there. It's been called out over the radio. Holy cow. And to the point that I had one of the soldiers that was on, so let me tell you this, I was told,

I was given three guys by the, the Instagram account, Tales from the Grid Square. He gave me these three guys that were stationed currently at Fort Campbell when he gave him to me. He said, these guys have an experience with Dogman and they're willing to talk about it. Well,

it took a long time, but eventually I got one to talk. about it and he wouldn't come in because it was too late then. But the guy who came on, told his experience with Dogman, and he told these other guys' experiences. And it's something that is so prevalent that he is now stationed at another base in another state. And he teaches classes. And when he has a new class come in and some of those guys come from Fort Campbell, they all talk about it together because the new class coming in

knows about Dogman too. And it's that prevalent. The story he shared with me that the one that he said shared several, but the one night, this thing comes in and all hell breaks loose and you hear Dogman being yelled out over the radio. It grabs one of the soldiers

and starts pulling them into the shrubs and the bushes and stuff. And this one guy, Mack, who was one of the guys I was trying to get on the show literally, apparently Mac's a giant person. Because I was like, he fought the guy,

the dog man off. But Mac pulled, pulled this guy back and the guy was injured. And I think it was dismissed from the military or something like that. But like, that's just on Fort Campbell. And so like when I say, are these things being created by government type thing?

Maybe. Because he also said that Fort Campbell has these bunkers that go way down on the ground and nobody's allowed in them. Oh, wow. That almost sounds like the story of the giants over in Afghanistan where the SEAL team went out. Yeah, that's insane.

Yeah. So, like, and I say that, I don't want to say even that, okay, I suggested that is the government making, creating them, and they're on Fort Campbell, right? But what if they're already on Fort Campbell and they station, they make Fort Campbell around that area and utilize the fact that, dog man's on the property as training exercises. Hey, you want to know what to do under the situation

where there's a curveball? Go out there tonight and train with dog man. It's messed up. It's a thing that I want to train against. It's going to eat me. Right. There's also a guy. He, he, and people know a story, Joe Barger. He, he, he shot a dog man in the face, point blank. It ran up on him. He was a tractor trailer driver in Michigan. And he stopped his truck on an incline. Former trucker here. So, like, just have that in mind as I'm telling you this. He stops his truck on an incline. He has a full load.

He had an air leak in his line. He gets out, it's nighttime, and he goes back there and repairs him. When he's underneath the truck repairing, he hears movement off in the trees. And he's thinking it might be a bear or something. So he gets back in his truck. And so he starts taking off. Now, on a full load, going uphill, I mean, you're a trucker too, right? Yeah, so you're going slow.

Yeah, you're going slow. You're not moving fast. Like, you might go 25 miles an hour. If you're lucky. If you're lucky. It depends on the incline and how much weight you got. If you got 80,000, you're struggling. You're struggling.

so tall that it has to duck down to look in the in the in the window now you know you're sitting about nine feet up in the air your head is and so this is like at least 10 feet tall yeah it ducks down looks in the window he pulls i think it was a colt 45 out that he had on the side of his seat he points it point blank and he fires he said he thinks he shot it right through the eye and uh it drops here's a crazy this is a very it's a long story and more detail but i'll fast forward to this he kills this thing months later, he's approached by government people. And they said that he killed their asset.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. Wow. What if these are biological things, not even robots? I am blown away. Yeah. What if these are biological things? Like mutant type things they create.

Or not. What if these are biological things that the government have the ability to trap? They figured it out. they catch them. Oh, yeah. They chip them, and all of a sudden, they have them under a control, like a neuralink type thing. Well, it's kind of like wildlife. They can put chips in a wildlife game, and it can be the same thing.

They've got chips in you guys. You guys think the world's round. You never heard me say that. Wait, wait, what if you're chipped? What if I have a? No, I totally believe that it gives me cold chills. I definitely believe it. Yeah.

It makes sense that they would build it around that and try to act like, yeah. So military base everywhere, there's a cryptic kind of. Like, is that what you're kind of saying? Well, no. Not everyone. I think it's a convenient thing to be utilized. I've never heard of it. I've never heard this story before, and I am.

He's me, coach. It does. It bludged my mind. I'm just. Well, wait until you hear Joe tell it. Oh, yeah. Holy cow. But so the Joe, he first came out, I think, anonymously on a podcast.

I'm drawing a blanket. It's with High Tower. I forget his name now. Doug. Not tuck high tire. Who was that? Never mind. Anyways.

So he basically tells Joe's story for him kind of thing. And then I was speaking in Paris, Tennessee. I think this is the order of how it happened. I was speaking in Paris, Tennessee. I wasn't even speaking. I was just attending this event as a vendor. It was a dogman conference, Paranormal Round Tail, Josh Turner's. And I'm sitting in a side room.

and me and another YouTuber Josh, I like dropping people's names when I can just give him proper credit. Yeah, I understand. I like that. I forget the name of his channel and his last name. But Josh,

and we were sitting there talking and Joe comes in. And he's like, he doesn't say like, you know, hey, I got a story for you. I've got a lot to say. He humbly comes in and he's just, you know, very quiet, talks like this.

And, you know, you know, do you believe in dogman, you know? Yeah, yeah, I believe in dog, man. I'm being Tony, I'm more charismatic and energy. And he's like, yeah, I do too. Yeah, I had an experience once. And it's like, oh, yeah, I want to hear it. And, you know, because you're thinking like, you know,

because like most of the time, most of the time when people have an experience, it's not a dramatic one. It's more like I saw it through the trees or you hear it or whatever, right? And he's like, and he starts telling the story. just like this. He's just like, yeah, you know, I was driving my truck and, you know, it was very reserved and like nervous telling it. And me and Josh are just sitting there like eyes getting larger and larger. And then work got around that he was there. And all these people started like, you know, getting his story and stuff. And I told, I told Joe, I said, listen, man, like you've been

talking to all these different people about their story. I said, when I have you on my show, it has to be in studio. It has to be something that's a little different than everything else. So yeah. But anyways, I say all that because like I'm trying to present different scenarios to lead people to different conclusions of what these could be and say it could be all of that. Yeah. It could be all of that. And these literally could be things that are jumping into the water and portaling into the upside down to, you know, something that was grown in a lab to something that was caught as a wild beast and chipped and then under control, which that is a is something that has been. discussed as well, that they release these cryptids into the forest to even the desert, let them hunt all night, and then they have a chip in them that, when that's triggered, it calls them back. I feel like that's a dogman exclusive thing. Like, you really open my mind of that about the military and dogman. He said something so profound, because he's talking about the upside down, and he's talking about how it was, they said, you, you've destroyed one of our assets.

In stranger things, the whole idea that the American. and the Russians are doing is they're trying to take these creatures from the upside down and make them assets. Oh, you drew the lines. And I'm going, you know, and I'm always trying to, you know,

I tell you guys all the time, they tell us more in movies than if we pay attention than we ever realize about what's going on around us. And when you said that, you guys just took out one of my assets. I'm going, that is incredible

because my mind is just, you know, it's an epiphany. And epiphanies don't happen often, okay? I mean, that's a life-changing thing because now my rabbit hole is just, oh, I've got something else that's just going to blow my gourd. And it's going to take time that I've got to look at this now because there's a new way to look at the connection. Yeah. And I did not think about that ever until this moment on this podcast. So it was, you know, that whole little five-minute spiel right there made my whole trip.

worth it. So it was the best birthday gift I could have got. Oh, yeah. That's right. Happy, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. Wow. But this whole thing has worth it. It's been a good. I want to kind of ask something to, just to get in, just to, for, because I know you got, we all have the plans and stuff, but they, uh, do you believe in hunt the stuff can get attached to items? Yeah.

Absolutely. Do you believe that? Uh, we, we bought David a gift and I'll let him tell you real quick. And so are you into like memorabilia, anything at all? Like, do you know who Beckett is, PSA, the people that grade like autographs and all that? I used to work for a sports memorabilia company. So there's a- Hunt auctions.

I don't know if you've ever heard of them. They do a lot of stuff. I might have something for you to auction off. Yeah. Oh, I'm not. I'm not. So you know Elvis Presley, anybody that would meet him back in the 50s would be like, that would be their prize possession.

if they got him to sign something. So we went in with some of our YouTube stuff and we bought each other, bought him a gift and it was pretty penny gift and it's graded by PSA DNA or Beckett Authentications and I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs there or whatever his name. It's not Steve Jobs. Steve, the guy from Polestar, like he works for them. So fast forward, if that was your item and you were a little girl or even a teenage boy and you got him to sign to it, you'd be attached to it.

So I get it in my property, my hands before we give it to David. And I have like, I wake up the next morning. I feel like I got pushed. I'm like, that was kind of weird. And my wife wakes up, Paige. And she says, I had the worst dream ever last night. And I was like, oh, we bring that thing in the house. And so David can take it over from there.

And we're still having nightmares. So you didn't get rid of it? They were in my both. We're still having nightmares. Really? Yes. The one, I woke up the other one. morning. I mean, I wanted to wake up so bad again because my house was literally being destroyed.

And they had stolen everything. And I'm trying to beat this one guy, nearly the death to try to get my stuff back. It's a terrible dream. But we've, you know, since I've got this thing this past summer, you know, I'm a very vivid dream. I dream in color. I have a lot of recall on my dreams. My dad come and visits me a lot. He's trying to tell me something. I haven't figured it out. when you can start controlling your dreams, it's a very scary thing. And you start being self-aware that God can allow people to communicate or maybe he's trying to tell you something. And it's in a twilight when you're in that moment between you know you're dreaming

and you're also waking up is the moment that you're conscious is starting to let go. And that's when you have the wherewithal to start asking questions. And then you wake up and then that part of, your brain that's allowed to act that you don't have control over. There's a lot going on there. But we've had the worst nightmare since this thing has come into our house. And it's a lovely gift. It's a lovely thought.

It's a huge Elvis fan. Yeah, I'm a huge Elvis fan. But I don't know that it's going to stay in our family possession forever. Did you at least say to the guys? Thank you very much. I did. Thank you. Anyway, let me just say this.

What you're describing sounds like, You do a lot of lucid dreaming. I do. Yeah. And so lucid dreaming is, like, you have the dreams. I don't even, like, they say everybody dreams. I don't even remember my dreams. So, like, if there's, like, dreams, I'm, like, down here.

Like, I'm just, like, barely opening the door to a dream. I have a selective memory. I remember some, and I'm like, no, most time, no. But then there's, like, the next level up is the lucid dreaming. And that's what you're talking about, where you almost, you control your dreams. It's very vivid. There's communications there. And then the next level.

up to that is actually you're no longer dreaming you are now in another existence. You're at another plane. Yeah. Yeah. You're, it's almost astro projection or out of body experience.

I've had a word of that. So there's there's I, there's somebody who I'm working, I'm trying to get to come on the show. I don't think I'm his cup of

he, but it's because he's a scientist, like a real, like, scientist guy. But I, I say that, but I mean, what he's doing is a lot. Like, so basically, he's discovered how to communicate with people while they're dreaming, where you and I and I have this communication. And that opens a whole other realm of, of possibilities. I will say this, too, kind of merging the dream

with the dogman side of things. And we were talking about portals too. I think his episode 50010, 50010 or 512, something like that, I can't remember. I had a guy, he's been in studio too. He's in middle of Tennessee, but he had a dream where

he had this dream where he was like camping or something and his family was there. They were like off over here, his wife and kids, and then he's over here looking, and there's this like werewolf dogman thing. And it's eyeballing him and his family. It takes off towards his family. And in this dream, he gets in between

and this thing starts tearing into pieces. He wakes up with cuts and scratches on his back. And then like a month later, him and his son are walking through the woods. And that very thing is standing before them in this round. And so, like, there is something to say when it comes to the interdimensional aspect of this stuff. I don't want to say dogman specifically, definitely dogman, but Bigfoot and all that stuff where there's like a, and is it something where, so we talk about portals and stuff, but I think our minds themselves have some kind of supernatural gateway threshold ability.

I dream about werewolves or dogmen a lot. I have for like 20 years. This is not just something that started. This is, you know, I mean, very long time. Tornadoes, werewolves, dogmen, ever how you want to describe them, I've dreamt about them for a very long time. And sometimes they're so vivid and they're so active. It is a very, I mean, it's unnerving when you wake up and you, you are looking around the room to see if it's still there with you.

And when you're talking about it was hurting his family, he was trying to save his family. Since this memorabilia's come into the house, a lot of my nightmares are trying to protect the children. I'm almost going to get teary out here because there's different things. There's different animals eating them and I can't get to them and I can't save them. And then you wake up and you think, oh, my God. Thank God, I'm awake and you go and you look and Hillary's okay. And the kids are asleep and you're like, oh, true. it was a dream.

And you're just, you're so happy you woke up, you know, and I mean, and there's, there's times where I mean, I won't go back to sleep. I do not want to take a chance to,

to open that realm up again for me. So how's your household since, mine's good. I mean, I mean, well, you know, my brother,

he, he's there all the time. Have you, do you believe, does you have anybody that's passed away in your family that your kids have seen? My daughter sees my brother all the time. Oh,

like, see, I thought you meant, like met, like actually see when, after they're dead? Yeah. I never really believed in it.

But so this is just a quick one. My cousin was over at my house and we hear my daughter. I mean, she's seen my dad. She, like she knew that this dog, because I've always in my mind, because I've always heard these stories,

I'll never talk about my brother or my dad until she's older. She, I was like, she, I have this dog that was my dad's like, this curio cabinet just because I don't want nothing to happen to it. And it was like one of those. things like mediums always say bring an item that was something never believed in that and so

she's like um i was like where'd you get that dog she said pop-paw i'm like oh wow that's weird and so i pull out a picture of my dad and i'm like well who's this that's pop-ball and then pulled out and then she's like the other day she was just saying um uh-huh uncle cody and i'm like what and she's like uncle cody's going to protect me and i'm like where's he at heaven i'm like to me, I've always learned once you're in heaven, you can't see anything down here. So I don't know. And then, like, when my cousin comes over, she's in the kitchen and she's like, we'll hear her, like, playing in there because she'll wander her in there. She's got her, like, a little paint thing in there.

And she'll say, she'll just start laughing and say, Uncle Cody. And I mean, it is just weird. So I believe, like, I don't know if it's, I don't know. That's the only thing that happens in my house. I have not had anything terrifying, though. But that's another story. Nobody sees anything like that at my home. Yeah.

Like I said, my dad visits me a lot in my dreams. But other than that, no. Yeah, it's wild. I can show pictures and she'll know exactly who my brother was. She knew exactly who my dad was. And I'm like, okay, hey, tell them. I mean, that's the only thing that's weird that's happened to me. I don't know.

Like I said, is it our veil is thinner than everyone's yours too? Because we go in and out of Christianity standpoint of stuff. That's why we get the activity. I don't know. But that's where I'm at. Wow. Yeah, I mean, this is a wild conversation, fellas. Listen, we're going to bring it in for a land in here.

But before we wrap things up, I don't care who does it, but let them know where they can find all your stuff. I mean, we can take turns with. We're the Squatch Watchers. You can find us on YouTube. Just type in Squatch Watchers, Instagram, Squatch Watchers, NC Squatch Watch. We don't really deal with like our Facebook much. That's just a different community type thing. Just pretty much Squatch Watchers.

You Google it. Type in a couple of our names. Watch Watch Watchers, Bigfoot, and you'll find us NC Squatch Watchers, whatever you want to do. Awesome. Well, this is fun, guys. Yeah, thank you for us, man. We love it. So the writers are wrapping up.

I got something for you and your brother, okay? Oh, really? So I got you guys some prayer coins. And these are, you know, obviously the book of Ephesian full armor of God. Y'all can fight over who gets which one. That's cool, man. You know, we've prayed over those. And those are just, you know, keep in your pocket if you want to, put them in your dress or drawer.

You ever having a bad moment? Just remember, you know, there's something higher than us that we can cling to. And he protects us at all time because I got my armor on right now, brother. You can't go wrong where they're keeping scripture on you. Have you ever closed a podcast episode with a prayer? I'm sure I have, yeah. That's wonderful if we close on the prayer. Yeah, go ahead.

David. All right, here we go. Man, it has been a great day to come to another state to meet a new brother in Christ, people who are like-minded and doesn't mind to step out on their faith. Lord, we want to thank you for that. I want to thank you for the camaraderie here today. Lord, and a chance to bring your name and your word out to a whole new audience, Lord. We just pray that you would just touch someone that might need it.

Keep us all safe on our travels to get home. Be with the birthday party that's going to happen later this afternoon. Lord, just let you be fun and adventures there. And I just wish we want to give all honor and glory to you, God. And I thank you for your gift of salvation through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. We love you and we thank you. In Christ's name, we do pray. Amen.

God bless. Thank you, dude. Thanks, man. Thank you. I was a VA. I was working for a cylinder to death. No team, you could balking for my soul for a mention and a couple billboards, no less. Yeah.

Thank God for a couple roadblocks. I don't know if I'd stop with a road with no lifelines. Yeah. Screaming, I don't need you, but I'm free to. Neon lights make a path for my breath like smoke in the cold every weekend.