The Confessionals - 742: Dogman Of The Corn

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

In episode 742: Dogman Of The Corn, Shane and "The Judge" from From The Shadows Podcast, share a bone-chilling account of an entity that stalked one of their daughters—night after night. It called itself "Wind." It appeared as a little boy with blonde hair and blue bibs, and it whispered through the baby monitor in a dead language no one could recognize. It wanted the child to go outside. In the snow. In the middle of the night. This wasn’t just a haunted house. Wind followed them across towns. Past locked doors. Into new bedrooms. When "The Judge" finally saw it with his own eyes, his daughter began speaking in something guttural, ancient, possibly Sumerian—and then Wind was gone. But not forever.Years earlier, on a quiet country road flanked by cornfields, "The Judge" came face to face with a creature that shouldn’t exist. It ran through the rows—pacing him, mirroring every move—and when it stepped out, it stood tall like a man, with the head of a wolf and the build of a linebacker. No eye shine. No sound. Just intent. He escaped by seconds, diving into a friend’s pool, heart pounding and reality shattered. Decades later, he would learn the land was built on ancient burial mounds—and that others had seen it too.Two encounters. Two entities. One terrifying question: If these things are real… what else is?Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] The Shadows PodcastWebsite | Apple | YouTubeMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ShutUp N DriveYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave, and they're all frozen.

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They basically decapitate them. Feel something and I look over and there are two small, getting pulled off the best bush because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show. Everybody, listening to The Confessionals Podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and

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download to your phone. It is like having X or Facebook only. It's all geared towards the confessional listener. So if you're interested in that, go ahead and become a member today. Podcast.com slash join. Now, today we have Shane and the judge from From the Shadow's podcast. I had to do it with a pause because two froms might sound like I'm stuttering, which I do do that sometimes. Anyways, we have from the Shadow's podcast here today, and they're going to be sharing their experiences and focusing in on the judge's dogman encounter. When I say the judge, he is an actual judge, and he comes forward to talk about his experiences encountering a dogman. Let's get to it.

All right, today we have Shane and Shane or Shane in the Judge. How are you guys doing? Good well. Doing good. Doing good. How are you? Doing good. So moving forward, we're going to say Shane and the Judge. That way we can differentiate. I think that's why you guys do it to begin with. You guys host a podcast from the Shadows podcast. And if you could let the people know what it's about and where they can find it. Well, from the Shadows podcast is very similar to the confessionals. We have on as many real stories.

I shouldn't say all the stories aren't real, but eyewitness stories. I witness accounts as much as we can, as much as we can, you know, find people that are willing to come forward and talk. We talk about everything kind of like you do. You know, we obviously everybody loves to listen to the Bigfoot stories, but we really enjoy every. I think everything is supernatural. Yeah. The unexplained and that was really sort of the genesis of why we started the podcast in the first place was, and we'll get into that. But some life experiences that we had and wanted to get it out there and have a form for people to come and share their stories and in a form by which people wouldn't judge them and, you know, and create a situation where people could tell their interesting stories.

love to hear them. Yeah. And you can find us everywhere. YouTube. We do, you know, we do video for YouTube subscribers. You can find us everywhere. And we do do two shows. We have, we warn people. Fridays are our paranormal shows. Wednesday. We do something that's a little bit different. It's more of, we call it the midweek howl. It's kind of funny. At least it's funny to us. we have a guy that joins me on the show. He lives in the Ozarks. We call him the Ozark Howler. And he is a former FBI agent, Homeland Security, Law Enforcement.

It's essentially funny stories. They usually have nothing to do with the paranormal. It's just funny stories from his years of being in law enforcement. It's kind of evolved to more of a, just a current topic thing. we just kind of get on a talk and I can kind of get him going on tangent about stuff. I don't think it's G-rated either. It's not. But it's weird. The people, everybody likes the paranormal part.

Not all the paranormal fans love that part, but the people that love the Midweek Hal are the most ardent fans we have. They'll fight you. He's a great story. He's great. He's funny. And I think he resonates with a lot of, uh, middle america and then what's crazy is when you see people in norway or germany or australia like oh i could totally relate to like you relate to him howler yeah and him arresting

some guy in trailer or so i don't it doesn't it doesn't seem to me how how those people have become such fans but i think it's because of the the person he is so we want to more people yeah tune in on wednesdays it may it's not going to be paranormal it may not be normal Not normal, but not paranormal, but not paranormal, just a different type of abnormal. Yeah, abnormal. Well, don't ever underestimate the number of people who have been arrested in a trailer park or something, you know? So as somebody who grew up in a trailer park and stuff, the police were frequent. So, and I might have had my visit or two.

Actually, yes, I have. I tell the judge. I'll tell the judge. Yeah. So I remember the one time when I was a kid, I was sitting on the, I'm on my front porch with a state trooper because we,

us kids, you know, the kids in the trip, we run around, do our own thing. You know, we basically, you know,

we leave in the morning. We don't come home until it's dark out. And, mom never knows what you're doing until the police show up. And, we had this one trailer next to my friend's trailer that he said, nobody lives in it. And I was like, oh, cool. So we decided to shoot the windows out. And so like, we, we didn't think anything of it.

And then apparently somebody lived in it or somebody owned it and reported it to the police. The police come out. And I was sitting on the front porch. And so the kids in the neighborhood, they tried sparing me. And they knew that, you know, of all our parents, I was the one that was going to get the most. And so the officer, he comes over and he's talking to me on the front porch. And he said, hey, you know, the kids, they said that you didn't actually hit a window. You hit the side of the house. But you didn't actually hit the window.

I was like, oh, no, I hit the window. I was like, officer, if you're here talking about shooting a house, we're going to make sure I tell the story right. I hit the window, sir. And he's like, are you sure you hit the window? It's like, yep, I hit the window. And then I got hit later. But yeah, so trailer park kids, you know, it is what it is. But I'm not sure if I ever told that story on the show,

but when better to tell the story than to the judge. It's an old saying that is at least you're honest about your dishonesty. Right? So, but anyways. enough of my stories. Let's talk about your stories. Today I want to jump into basically three stories with you guys. And the first one I want to start off. And we weren't planning on doing this in this order. But you said to me that this was the scariest when I was like, well, let's just talk about it then. Let's talk about the one that kind of gives you the shit.

Yeah. I mean, scary, I guess, is a matter of perspective. But to me, this is, this was way more scary for me. So I had two daughters, and we had built a new house out in the country. And the house was a couple years old. And I was the parent that did the bedtime ritual. So my daughter was about two and a half, three years old, my youngest one. So she'd take her bath and we would read a story and I'd put her to bed. So what are you mean? And it's weird time.

And we do the ritual. And I had a baby monitor still don't know why, but just nice to have. And I hear her talking to somebody. And so I come in and I'm like, you know, what's going on? Why aren't you asleep? And she says, this little boy has bothered me. And I think this may have been a Sunday night or something. And I said, I was thinking.

because she goes to the little kids' Bible school and stuff like that. And I said, oh, at church, and she says, no. I said, well, where? And she says, there. And she points over the corner of the room. I said, what? And she says, you know, that little boy over there is bothering me. Now, my gut reaction was she's stalling.

She doesn't want to go to bed. She's just playing games trying to stay awake. So I said, well, what's his name? Playing along, kind of. And I'm expecting Bobby, you know, some kid's name. She says, he says his name is Wind. And I was like, okay, that scene caught me like, whoa. I said, well, what does he look like?

And she says, well, he's got blonde hair and he's wearing blue bibs. And I look over and I don't see anything. I'm like, oh. And I'm trying like, are you making this up? And she's like, no, he's there. I'm like, well, what does he want? And she says, he wants me to go outside and play. Now, it's winter.

It's cold. And I said, well, you wouldn't do that with. She's like, no, no, I don't want to go outside. And I could tell that she was distressed. You know what I mean? Like, I could tell it was bothering her. So this wasn't something that she. She was just saying to try to stall.

So I was like, okay, so I sat in a room with her for, I don't know how long, and she, you know, finally went to sleep. So the next night, excuse me, next night, same thing. Wind shows up. And she's getting more and more distressed. And I'm like, well, what does he want? He wants me to go outside and play. Every night it was the same thing. He wants me to go outside and play.

And the one night, I remember it was blowing snow, super cold out, and she's like, he wants me go outside and play. Well, this goes on for a week every night. So that Sunday I go and I talk to our pastor. And I said, hey, you know, my daughter, I'm really worried about this. And he kind of soft sells me on it. Well, you know, kids have imaginary friends. I like, no, no, no, you don't get this. This isn't no friend.

This is something that's really agitating her. I said it keeps wanting her to go outside and play. I said it's winter out, it's dark out. And I had a home security system on the house, and every night I made sure, you know, I set that system so if that door would open up, alarm would go off. So this goes only for over a week.

And she's to the point where she doesn't want to go to bed at night because this thing's bugging her. So I started, you know, Googling, you know, I don't think it was Google back. I don't even if it was. But I started doing Internet research trying to find wind. Can't find anything. You know, I can't find anything. So finally I said, hey, look, I told her mother at the time, I said,

why don't you take the kids to your folks' house in Finley, which is about an hour away? I'll stay here, give her a break from the wind, right? So about 10 o'clock phone call comes in from Finley, and guess what? When showed up in Finley. So now I'm like, oh gosh, dang. Like this thing isn't just attached to the house. It's attached to her and it's following her. So this goes on for two weeks.

And I'm rarely, really stressed out because there's nothing I can do. And she's crying at night. And I mean, it's every night to get her to bed is it's a fight because she's scared of this thing. And I'm like, I just don't know. I mean, I went to my pastor. He, you know, he soft-souled me on it. There's nothing I can do. And so, excuse me.

So, you know, we got a chair, a prayer chain going on. I mean, it's, you know, short of having somebody, you know, a Catholic priest come over to my Catholic. Like, I don't know what to do. And even if you did, this thing just follows her. You know, I mean, it followed her an hour away. So, and for anybody out there that has kids, the scariest thing for me is when your kid is in a bad way and there's zero you can do about it. I mean, it isn't like this some bully at school. I could call it principal.

or I go beat up the other kid's dad. I mean, this is, there's nothing he'd do. And so one night, this had been going on for, I can't tell you how long, but we lived in a two-story house. And so I come up the stairs, she's in her bedroom, and the way the house was, my bedroom was here, her bathroom was here, and then her bedroom's here. So it's like three. And as I was about to walk into my bedroom,

I still had the baby monitor on, by the way. I see walk behind me out of the corner of my eye and into my daughter's bedroom, a little boy with blonde hair and blue bibs. I saw a walk into her bedroom. And I would like to say, I would like to say that I immediately ran into the room and all the stuff.

But the truth is, I just froze. I mean, I just froze. Like, literally just froze where I was standing. And I think part of it was I was just shocked that I saw it, that I saw this thing. And I hear through the baby monitor this voice in a dialect. I can't describe it. I can't even describe it. Like, I can't speak Russian or German or Chinese or anything like that, Italian or French.

But if I heard somebody speaking in that, I could say, oh, that sounds like, you know what I mean? This was the most bizarre language I've ever heard. And I thought it was, I was hearing wind talking to my daughter. But then when I listen closer, it was my daughter. talking in that language. Oh, yeah. So, excuse me. So I,

it kind of, when I realize it's my daughter, I kind of like come to like, what the? And then I hear her say, okay? And then there's this big pause. And she says, okay. In English. So I go in there and I'm like, what's going on?

And she says, she goes, Nina's gone, he's not going to bother me anymore. She had no idea she was speaking in some bizarre language.

Okay. And sure enough, wind doesn't come back. So fast forward about six months. And I'm with a church group and we're at a Chinese

buffet. And there was a bunch of people together. And so they push them a bunch of tables together. And I'm sitting at the end with where the little kids are. Just to keep an eye on and make sure they'll screw things up. And all of a sudden, my daughter, like, head just jerks. Like, she turns her head. And she says, wind, what are you doing here?

I literally about crapping my pants. I'm like, oh, my God, this thing's back. And I said, did you just see wind? And she says, yeah, but he's not going to bother me. So I'm like, what the heck? Like, this thing is just creeping around, right? So fast forward, I couldn't tell you how long it was, but there was a movie. I always forget whether it's called the fifth kind or the fourth kind.

Anyways, it's this movie. Instead, I think up in Alaska or whatever, and it's about alien abduction and stuff like that. And so there's a part in the movie where there's a recording of this voice. And I listened to it. I'm like, holy shit, that sounds like the dialect that my daughter was speaking. Now, I'm not saying it is. What I'm seeing is it sounded very, very similar. And in the movie, what they were able to discern was that this was either Sumerian or Syrian.

I can't remember. But the point was it was a dead language that nobody speaks anymore. Now, can I say 100% sure or 90% sure that my daughter was speaking Sumerian to drive off or Assyrian to drive this thing away? No, I can't. All I can say is whatever in the movie they were, that language, it sounded like the language that my daughter was speaking. So then fast forward again, and one day I'm at my office before I became a judge. I'm sitting my computer in on Yahoo or something, a story comes up on the internet about some three-year-old boy in Toronto, Canada, who was living in this apartment high-rise.

And in the middle of the night, the kid gets up, leaves the apartment, gets in an elevator, takes the bottom, goes all the way down the bottom floor, walks out the front door, walks to some city park two, three blocks away that the kid had never been to, and freezes to death. And the first thing I thought was, wind. And the parents in the story, if I remember the article correctly, were shocked because this kid was a big freightie cat. He would have never left the apartment by himself. Would have never done something like that. And they had a video, because, you know, they had security, had a video of him going down the elevator, walking out the front door and leaving in the middle of the night.

I think there was a, because I remember stopping in at your office during that time, you're showing me the article. I think it was probably working, don't know my boss. Yeah. But it had a definite grant of what was on the, it was all on video surveillance. Yeah, they had to get on video. It showed like how far he walked and went to the park. A park he'd never been to.

And he's just like, that's what was, because I know if that's what. And I can I say for sure that was when to kill that kid? No. You get a feeling that that's what this thing wanted to do to my daughter. It wanted to lure her outside. Yeah. Now, I don't believe for a second that this thing was a little boy. I don't believe for a second this thing was a little boy.

You know, and I've spent years researching this to try to find out what this was just dead end after dead end. Like, I don't know if this was any evil spirit. This was a demon. I couldn't tell you. All I know is what happened. And when it was going on, I just felt powerless to protect my child from something I could not see. And the weird thing is the day that I saw it walked behind me and go in her room is the day that she speaks. It's like, what caused her to speak that language?

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it makes you wonder if she ever spoke that language before and you just never heard it till that day. It's kind of odd that that's the day that he says that he's leaving, too. Whatever she said drove it away. Interesting. Yeah, and I have no idea, man. And, you know, I've had people say, oh, you know, it was, you know, it was divine intervention and it was angelic speech and it was.

So it's all she was speaking in tongues like, no, she wasn't speaking. tons. I've seen videos of people who were supposedly speaking to tons. This is nothing like that. This is this, how her, how she enunciated, like,

words, I guess, was so bizarre. Was so bizarre. And it was like she was speaking it fluently? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, like, I thought it was this thing talking to her is what I thought. Her voice got like

almost deeper when she was doing it. it was almost guttle. You know what I mean? How she was talking was almost guttural. It was, you were to talk about, scare the absolute shit out of you. Yeah. It absolutely.

Even telling it today, I get emotional talking about it and telling the story because it's kind of like this. Somebody, and I'll talk about my dog may experience, or people have a Sasquatch experience or something like that. But you see it, is it a, It's a flesh and blood animal or whatever it is.

But this thing, this thing was something couldn't see, didn't know what, to this day, don't know what it is. And would it ever come back? You know what I mean? How old is she now? She's 21, going to be 22, and she has no recollection of it. Really? Now, her older sister remembers it.

Her older sister remembers it because she was a little bit older. and I would love for somebody who knows more about this topic area to reach out to us and there's been some people that's tried to reach out to us and give us some ideas

but I just don't think whatever explanation people have come up with was it. I mean I mean, what you describe and I mean, I'm glad this happened so long ago because of what I'm going to say

it's not an accusatory thing. It's just, it just just what my perception is what it sounds like when you're talking about her speaking that different language and the the way her voice was and stuff it almost sounds like something took over her and was speaking through her yeah like I'm assuming you've considered that look I've considered a lot of different things and there's there's no I don't know I don't know what the answer like I said it was a guttable and I would if you a chance look up the movie

I think it's the fifth kind I'd have to I and D be it but but it said so and I'm not saying what they played in the movie I'm not saying what they played in the recording was actually Sumerian or serian or whatever it is but that's what it sounded like that's what

she sounded like when she was talking and it it was intense like it's almost as if and I mean I remember when this was going on because you have kids that are the same Right. About the same age.

Same age. You know, and they grew up friends and stuff. And, and it's almost overhearing this over the years and hearing people's thoughts and stuff on it. It's almost like something came to her defense and through her knowing that this, you know, maybe this spirit or whatever had no fear of or wasn't going to listen to, you know, whatever this. Right. It was. But came through her and through her. The fence basically said, hey, look, get lost.

Yeah. You're barking, you know, words. Yeah, the only thing I can think of is something scared this thing away. Yeah. And did it through. Right. Did it through her. So it's bizarre.

And it's one of the things, like I said, if you saw a creature in the woods, you say, I saw a creature in the woods. You know what? I'll stay the hell away from that woods. Maybe I'll never see it again. But at the same time, when this thing showed up the Chinese restaurant, it wanted nothing to do with my daughter. Now the real crazy thing is, and I don't know how much we've talked about this, but where the house that they built. Because this was a new house.

Oh, yeah. It was a brand new house. It's two and a half years old. It is literally a mile away from the dog man experience. Across, yeah, across the front field. And, you know, which was some other, you know, we've got to have a feeling about that area anyway. Yeah, we've had a guest on who lived in a haunted house literally. 200 yards.

200 yards from the house that were I had that. But, you know, the wind showed up in Finley. It showed up an hour away. So it wasn't something. It wasn't like, you know, hey, you build a house on Indian Barrel ground. How old was she when this happened again? I haven't got a guess she was just a couple years old. A couple years old.

two and a half three years old. Okay. So she was articulate. She could articulate things. And we were talking like, so this is like the early 2000s. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's interesting.

I don't want to like throw ideas out to you that you probably already went down and stuff. But my first thought process going into it was what deities and entities. go by, you know, the wind god type. And there's actually a lot. There's actually a lot throughout Egyptian to tons of different cultures having some kind of god of air. And, you know, when, I think, I think around the early 2000s is when we started experiencing a shift. Like, by the way, I don't know how much you guys know, but I'm real woo-woo. So here we go. It enlighten me on this time. Wait until we get the dog man. Wait till we get the dog man. But, no, I just, I feel like, so I just got to, and this is definitely influencing my train of thought here, but I just got done reading a book called The Return of the Gods by Jonathan Khan. And he is a, he's in Jersey and he's like a Christian rabbi. And he makes a pretty eloquent argument for ancient gods on their way back and returning today. And he specifically focused in on three different gods in the book.

which are more well-known gods like Ball. But it doesn't mean that these lesser gods aren't doing the same thing either. And it just makes me wonder because I think the shift really started happening around 9-11 is when that shift started happening. And then in 2012, I was just talking to something like that about this recently. I don't remember the exact situation and what the deity is. But in 2012, when everybody was like, oh, the world's ending the mind calendar, all that stuff, there actually was a shift that happened in 2012 that was going that that was ushering in a new

era that was very um feminine uh very dominant the female dominance uh was going to be ushered in and i think we you actually start seeing that play out over the last 12 years um but there's been these like shifts happening in the last 20 years and i think there's the ancient gods that have been utilizing these shifts to start coming in and so the idea of being calling yourself wind, there's got to be more to it than just, oh, that's what my parents called me. And I'm just this kid that died on this property and you built a house on it. You know what I mean? It just seems like there's more to it. I never, you know, I guess very early on I thought, did I just build a house on an Indian burial

ground. But as it played out, I didn't. Yeah, because all this even took place. long before you even figured out the dog man stuff. Yeah, I mean, the dog man, my dog may experience happened when I was a teenager, and I'd kind of put that in the back of my mind and never really thought more about what that was. I mean, it did at first and stuff, but this was, this was, you know, this was the first time

I could actually sit down on a keyboard and try to do research, and I just kept drawn blank. You know what I mean? Drawing blanks. You know, I couldn't. Well, imagine the research possibilities in the era of 2000. Yeah, we're checking out today. So this would have been roughly about 2004, 2005, is when this would have taken place.

And I'm telling you, to tell the story to the listener out there may think, yeah, that's not that scary. I thought he said this would be scary. To live it is something totally different. 100%. And it's not one of those, when you hear my dog, me start, oh, I experienced this for a short period of time. This was something that took place over a couple of weeks.

And the pressure that you're on as a parent is just unreal. Because you can't solve this problem. You can't figure this out. You don't know who to call. You know what I mean? like I was I was Googling I don't think Google exists I don't maybe it did me but I was researching okay who can I call for the paranormal world to come to my house now I think because of all the podcasts we have now I would be able to find somebody but

back then was like I think there was some guy in Toledo and I kind of did some little bit of research like nah this isn't you know yeah this isn't going to go anywhere. But to this day, the questions I have is, what was wind? What was it? Two, what language was my daughter speaking? And what power did that possess to drive wind away? And three, who else has wind terrorized? You know what I mean? Because like I said, we're into the Chinese, like six months later, running to the Chinese buffet. And it's just surfing around.

Just surfing around. That's wild. And like I said, then you have the story of the kid that, from Toronto that died. I'm like, so it's a cautionary tale. And one of the reasons why I tell the story is solely for parents

that if your child says, they're seeing something, don't just brush it off. Or has an imaginary friend. Or has an imaginary frame. Listen to them. ask questions, you know, because this, because I know it was trying to get her outside. Obviously, it was trying to get her outside.

And it would alert her way she to die. That's wild. No doubt. That's wild. Yeah, no, I 100% agree with you. I mean, I think it would be much more scary going through it as a parent. You know, it's like if you went through something like this yourself, it's one thing. but knowing that it's the kid and how do you help kind of thing?

You know, I've gone through, you know, some things. And one thing that I started doing was anointing my house in oil. And I usually will anoint the doorways, the windows, the mirrors, anything that's a threshold of entrance. I anoint and bless because, you know, I don't know. I think that for whatever reason, these things, and maybe it's just the ease of access, but terrorizing kids seems to be a mode of operation with this stuff, coming to children, scaring the children. And I don't know if it's that kids are able to see things that adults can't.

You know, maybe they're, they have an ability that, you know, that you lose as you get older. I don't know. All I know is it's a very common thing. I'm glad that she got through. I'm glad that, you know, if she didn't decide to follow wind out to the, out to wherever wind was trying to take her, you know, trying to go where the wind takes her. That's, that's the saying,

right? And the thing is, we had this, we had this huge woods behind our house. So I kept imagine this was going to take her out into the woods somewhere, and she was going to just freeze to death, you know, die or,

you know, but keep in mind, I had, you know, I didn't know about the Toronto story when this was all going on. So I'm trying to think, where's this thing going to take her? Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and we're just this thing going to take her. And I want to ask me something, Tony, you like alluded to stuff that you've had going on. So when I do most of the interviews, I do in our house and one of our offices, and my wife is always scared when I'm talking to somebody, especially about something spiritual. She's like, you better not,

I better not find something, but something better not be in our bedroom. Open a gateway. Open a gateway just merely talking about, which I 100% believe that that happens. You can invite stuff in. Is that something you worry about? Do you think some of the stuff that you've experienced is because of talking to people and maybe, you know, which to the normal, I shouldn't say normal person, but to the, to regular everyday people, that whole idea. idea is crazy.

Like, oh, you can't, but the power of suggestion, people, well, you made my team lose because you said, you said this. What, you know, why can't we open up gateways to let stuff in? And so are you cautious of that? I know, you know, you said you're annoying, annoying in your house. Yeah. But is that something you feel like anything's come, come into your presence because of just conversations over, over the phone?

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like the Holy Spirit literally spoke to me in my tractor trailer one day telling me I was going to start a podcast. And, and then a month later, like, I felt, the Holy Spirit say you're going to start a podcast and you're going to, and you're going to work with Wes Gürmer from Sasquatch Chronicles. That's what I heard. Not audibly, but it's like the Holy Spirit speaking to me. And I went home, I told my wife, and I just put it on the shelf and didn't do anything with it because I didn't really want a podcast. And so I just wasn't really in that line of thinking. And a month later, about a month later, Wes called me on Facebook Messenger. I've never talked to him before my

entire life. And it was like 8.30 at night. I backed my trailer into the dock. And he calls me on Facebook Messenger. And he's, he's talking to me for like 45 minutes. I think the reason why he called is because somehow he thought I had a Bigfoot encounter or something. I was like, nope, never had seen the big guy. And he's, and we just started talking for like 45 minutes. He's like, you know, I think you'd be a good podcaster. And I was just like, here we go. And so I, this is something that I knew that there was a higher calling. to it when I first started it. And as a result, when there are spiritual attacks that come, I deal with it on a spiritual level. I don't really sit around being like, oh, I wish I didn't

talk to this person. You know, I'm scared. Like, that's not really, that's not really the position that I'm in. my thing is the more I talk about this stuff and the way I am with you right now, the more I shed light on the demonic realm and the realities of these situations, the more attacks I get from three groups. I get attacks from the other realm, whatever you want to say that is in there, the other realm, demonic whatever, I get attacks from trolls online and most recently. Isn't that to see then?

Yeah, right? Which the trolls, they're just yelling into an empty room because I don't hear it, right? So I, but then the most recent one is the one that is, I think the one that really affected me the most in, in, like we were. talking before we started recording how I can kind of get like edgy and stuff, you know, from Philly. This is where I get like that with it because through a series of events that I don't think I've talked about publicly and I don't know if I'm ready to talk about in detail publicly, I have been made aware that there are, there have been and I think they're still continuing witches that have been attacking me and my family and astral projecting to my home.

And so when that happened, that is when that's when I got real ticked off, you know? Because I was like, ah, now, oh, I just want to find you, which is, you know. But this is not Stacey Brown. Come on. Come on. Be nice to Stacey. Come on. I assume you're friendly with Stacy.

Okay, good. But, but yeah, so I mean, like, I don't know if I'm answering your question other than, yeah, I've, I've dealt with this stuff. I've dealt with it over the years, but over the last couple of years, it's been the strongest because, like I said, there's just one plus one equals two in my mind. The more I talk openly about the realities of the spiritual realm and how I see things unfolding, the more attacks I've been getting. And does that make me scared? No, does it make me want to shut up? No, it actually fuels my fire. And I'm just like, oh, I'm on to something. Okay. All right. Let me double down on this, suckers. And so basically this confirmation to me. But yeah, I mean, that's kind of like where I'm at with it. I just, yeah, I don't know if I answered the question, though. Who's supposed to be doing the interviewing here? Come on. Yeah, listen. Listen. I don't know if this guy interviews all the time. You know, the thing that, you know, the thing I think about sometimes is we're so. busy as human beings in modern day of going to work, paying our bills, doing all these things, we're so not in tune to the spiritual world like our ancestors would have.

You know what I mean? They had time on their hands to look at the stars and contemplate things. And the dark in the force was a very scary thing. And we, we today, because of our modern luxuries with heat, like Tristan, running water and all cars and stuff like that, you know, we don't have to worry about, oh, you know, we're going to travel 20 miles by foot. You know what I mean? And across these, you know, woods and stuff. I think that we are less attuned to the supernatural, to the spiritual.

But I'll tell you what, it only takes having. an experience like I did with this thing, the wind to draw you back into understanding that look, all these things around us are really meaningless when you get down to it. It's really, you know, there's things out there that we can't describe or we don't know and those things are potentially attacking you at any time. And thank God it's never came back. The last time she ever saw it was at the Chinese buffet of all places. Now, the ironic thing is that Chinese buffet has been closed down for health code violations. I don't think the wind had anything

do with those. Judge is like, I've seen the documents. Yeah, I think that's nothing to do with it. There's a health code violation that had nothing to do with supernatural. We had that lawsuit now on Tuesday this week. So I'll be dealing with that later. But no, okay.

So, yeah, I mean, that's the wind story. I feel like we could dwell on that more. I guess I want to ask one question here and then I want to get into Amy Boo's story and then we'll wrap things up with the dog man experience. But with this story you just shared and the one we'll talk about in a little bit here with the dog man and your profession. Like we mentioned the judge aspect of things. What kind of, you've had to have some kind of pushback. I mean, yeah. I'll send your brother. You know, this evening. Well, you know, well, you know, My brother is one of these guys.

He's also a judge. He's also a judge. And he doesn't believe in anything that he can't touch in his hand or see with his own two eyes. You know what I mean? He's just one of those guys. And so he doesn't, unless you have experienced what I've experienced, he can't understand why I want to talk about it. You know what I mean?

He doesn't get it. And, you know, we're in a small community, and I haven't really gotten any pushback. But, you know, and the thing about it is one of the reasons why I do this is because for that very reason, like, look, if I can come out and tell my experiences, and here I am a public official and elected official who could get a bunch of blowback, if I have the courage to come out and tell my story, I'm hoping that inspired. other people to come out and tell their stories that they would not have otherwise done. And it is very therapeutic. You know, it is very therapeutic to talk about things that you've experienced. I think it's done in the right form. You know what I mean?

But I haven't really gotten any, what I would call, hardcore blowback by it. I mean, I'm sure those people like, oh, he's, you know. Well, here's the thing is there's certain forums like we discussed in our community. news forms, whatever. And him and his brother catch crap about stuff that happens in the courtroom on these forms. People do not visitate. Right.

Because they, their buddy got arrested and whatever for something and they think, okay. Not once. Have I ever seen anything? And Grant you, when we live in the community, we were born, went to school in, came back to, raised our families. I mean, everybody,

knows us, okay? And not for the podcast. Okay. Everybody knows it's because of the stuff that we are involved with in the community. And people will joke with me sometimes about, hey, do you find Bigfoot or whatever? But what you find is, is that everybody then wants to take you aside and say, you know, if this happened or that happened, or, you know, I know somebody, that's the thing is what, we have covered is everybody on the outside

was to make fun of quite a but they all have their own so let me say and let me decide and have a story back in 2003

I'm sorry 2004-2005 when the wind story came about you couldn't turn on the TV and 24 hours a day have ghost stories

ghost hunters ghost hunters yeah if you if you turn on the TV right now, whether it's travel channel or whatever it is, there is a paranormal show on 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. And the reason why that is is because people want to watch it.

And I saw a statistic one time, and I'm not saying that this is a real statistic. This statistics I saw that said three out of four people have had an experience in their life that they call unexplainable. Well, there's a reason why Wes does nothing but yard work and take care of his dog. Because there's another reason that Tony just told us he's ready to retire and go from harm. Because the audience is limited to you'll cheat into this stuff. They want to hear about somebody sharing their experience that they themselves have had. And I'm sure you get the same thing. People contact us and want to come on because they heard a story similar to theirs.

Well, the big thing is... And they want to talk about it. They want to show it. I think the big thing is, people are more apt today than they were 10, 15, 20 years ago to tell you they had a paranormal, what they perceived to be a paranormal experience. Because there isn't as much stigma to it. Like, when I had my dog being experience when I was a teenager, oh, my gosh, I would have just been lamb-baseded and ridiculed. And because of that, I didn't thought. We didn't.

We gave him a whole bunch of crap. We just thought it was like a deer or something right on the field. We said he was, we'll get into that. Yeah, it was very, yeah. We gave him crap. We just thought it was a deer or a coyote or something. So. So, all right, let's talk about your experience with Amy Boo.

You were, what, doing, like, research or something with her? No, so I became friends with these. has had a podcast called the paranormal road, David Hemsley and Randy. Okay. And they had Amy Boo on on a regular basis talking about Bigfoot stuff. And so they had come on our show. We had been on their show. And they lived, they had this campground that they stayed at outside of Oberlin, Ohio, which is outside.

Right on the fridge of the National Park. Yeah. And it's outside of Cleveland. Oberlin is south west of Cleveland. And so one night in this campground, they heard this howl out in the woods that surrounded this campground. And there was six or seven of them heard it or whatever. And David Hensley, who's since departed this world, he found a howl on the internet or whatever. I think it might have been what they call the Ohio howl.

shared it with the group that had all come out of the trailers in the middle of the night, whatever, and said, what the heck was that? Well, he played it for him and they said, well, you recorded that last night? And he goes, no, this is like from years ago. So he's like, I think we have a big foot or something in these woods. And one of the other ladies who stayed there all week long, just didn't go for the weekend. She goes, oh, yeah.

She goes, I don't even let my dog out anymore. more. Okay. So they're talking about this and the lady who ran the park came out and said, I don't want to hear any more about this. Quit talking about Bigfoot. We don't believe it. Okay. Don't. So, so we're having this conversation over the course of the winter, the lady who ran the park and her granddaughter have one cross in front of them. And the ladies like starts following it down this old farm lane and it gets away. So she comes back to these guys. She's like, oh my God, I saw it.

And so their idea was, and they wanted us to come up, and they wanted Amy Boo to come up, and we were going to do like a live podcast, a live meaning we were going to do it there, at the campground, talk to the people. And we were going to go into the woods. Okay. Now, keep in mind, it was July 2020.

Well, it was a million degrees. COVID was just, you know, getting started or whatever. And we all go up, first time I ever met Amy Boo. And we do the podcast, do the interviews. It's nighttime, okay? But there's like 15 people. They're going to do this night. No, we're going to go walk into this woods.

behind the campground that we have never been, I'd never been in it, I have no idea what it's about. And quite frankly, because they're not listening. This father's son was leading us into the woods. We didn't even know if they knew they're right from their left. And first of all, I'm not a field researcher. I'll tell you why. If you told me, hey, look, there's a wild escaped chimpanzee in this woods. Let's go try to find it.

I would say, hell no. Because I think we're going to eat it. Right? I mean, like, I'm just going to go out in some place where I honestly believe. Yeah. There's something out there. Because, like I said, if you ran into a chimp, which is assuming that Sasquatch is real, a tenth of the size of a Sasquatch, and a chimp would just rip you to shreds.

You have no chance whatsoever. So I'm not going to go out there. So he's not saying that we didn't believe the people of what they experienced. But there's 15 people. But there's like literally 15 of us going out. And they don't shut up and there people are chirping and it's like, okay, I'll do this walk through it was because there's zero probability. Okay. That there's really going to want anything because anything within a mile is going to hear these people walk and walk in and won't shut up.

So I feel somewhat safe. Safe of numbers. Yeah. So a couple people had brought infrared stuff, you know, so you could see. a night or whatever. And they've just taken them off the chargers as we walked into the woods. And like I said, we had no bearing for where we were going. All right.

And so we get back into the woods and it was just kind of aggravating. People are talking and laughing. And it's like, you know, what are we going to do? And I'm standing with Amy Boo because she's trying to be responsible. I think she's getting pissed. Because she's trying to be serious about this. And there's some people that had a few drinks in them. You know what I mean?

So they think they're talking quietly if they're not. But anyway, it comes from Amy's a teacher. Okay. And so this was sort of like a very disruptive classroom. Yeah, she's precise. So anyways, I'm speeding with Amy. There's people around. And somebody comes up and says, hey, this infrared.

thing is the battery's completely gone. And then the other one, battery goes right out. And so Amy's like, man, that's kind of weird. Because they just charged them. Yeah, we just charged them. And we're like, that's kind of weird. But people are still talking.

And I look up, for some reason, I'm looking into the woods, and I see this red light. Okay. And I'm only going to say it's an eyeball because that's looked like a red, I have no. Okay. And I say to Amy, I go, Amy, do you see that? And she looks up and as she looks, another one appears right beside. Okay. And they're like distance away that it looks like two eyes. I am not thinking that these are red eyes. Okay. And she goes, I do see those. And as soon as she says I see those, boom, boom, they go out. And like I said, I have no idea of what's up there.

Okay, am I seeing through the woods across the field? And I saw two taillights on somebody's golf car or something or, you know, tail lights from somebody else. Was it these two knuckleheads that were supposed to be leading us who had now disappeared? Was it their head length? Did they have red lights on? was there um

bicycle reflectors on the trees you know maybe for a path to help so it just didn't make any sense so Amy goes so she tells her everybody she goes okay everybody because nobody else saw this we're standing around everybody's messing around just me and her

see this so Amy goes hey let's walk up whatever we don't even know the distance maybe 50 yards and see what is going on. So we walk up there and it's when we walk up this 50 yards and I'm looking for reflectors and stuff, these two guys come back into our view and I grab them and look them, you know, spin them around. No red lights, nothing.

But what you realize this is where we're looking was a hill. So the distance we were looking, we'd have been looking right. into this hill. Okay. So we're not looking, so now we've eliminated that we've seen something that's not in the woods, that's maybe in a farmer's

barnyard or something. There was really a pass that would have led to that either. No, but I'm saying it's just, because you're trying to, you're trying to rationalize. Eliminate any. But there's no way there's these two red lights. That basically on command,

like basically when I said, do you see that? Another one opened up. And when she said, They clothe. Like, it doesn't make any sense. And so Amy now is like, okay, everybody, let's just, because nobody still, like, really realizes what we have seen. She was, let's spread out.

And let's just be quiet for a little bit and just listen. Okay. And so now I'm way ahead with another person. I don't even know who it was to my left. And I kind of go up way up in front of everybody with this person. to my left and and we just are quiet and all of a sudden as I'm standing there no keep in mind I'm sweating buckets because it is so hot even in the dark it had to be still 90 tall as many and all of a sudden it felt like I was standing in the middle of a cold stream because a stream of

cold air from who knows what because because you know how the streams of cold air just rushed through the woods in the middle of woods yeah yeah yeah at all the time, right? But it just comes through, and I mean, I'm getting goosebumps, and I'll look over to the guy next to me, and I go,

do you feel that? And he goes, yeah, where's the cold air coming from? And I turn, once it's done, it lasted for maybe, you know,

four or five seconds. Once it's done, I walk back to Amy, and I go, Amy, I was standing up there with, you know, so the person in this air coming,

and she goes, all right, I think it's time to get out of the woods. Because now we don't, it's not that we think like we're experienced Bigfoot, okay, which is what we went into the woods to experience. To me, it's like when it was three separate things, okay, these batteries were drained. We saw these red lights that we have no explanation for. And then we felt this cold.

I felt this cold air. And, you know, so we get out of there. But by the time we get out, he's like breaking down. Like, I got sick. I mean, but before that, I was standing with Amy's paramour boyfriend or whatever. Lester. Lester. And I go, God, dang, man, do you smell that?

And it could have been Lester. So when I was a kid, we had went and caught a bunch of catfish. and then they died and my dad threw them in the field. Okay. And my beagle went and rolled in them. Just rolled in them. Why dogs do that? I don't know.

And he came in the house and the funk and the smell from that dog. That's kind of what it smelled like. And it was just nauseating. And then I started getting sick. Like I'm like, guys, you got to get me out of this woods. I'm getting sick. Like, I'm going to throw up. I felt really, really weak.

I felt really, really bad. And just out of the blue. Like, now, like I said, it was a super high. Yeah. And you get that bad smell. Maybe it just makes you sick. Yeah. It was weird.

Like, we're trying to get out of there. And he's like, I'm like, I'm feeling really bad. And we get out. And Amy and I kind of go off to the side. We're like, what are you? She goes, I have no idea. She goes, I saw those red lights. I saw this.

She goes, I didn't hear, have the cold go through. And the, the, the, And so we even, we went on air, like did the next podcast, just talked about it because we had no idea. Like to, to me, then once you start hearing other people's stories, like, I think Wes had the first episode on the next week about people seeing red eyes. Okay. And it was like, that was weird to me that that was the first time I had heard that. And like I said, I'm still not saying they were a pair of red eyes. but to me it was like we were standing out there and experienced something paranormal

more than we experienced something physical right like that there was a big foot there now did were the red eyes part of physical experience of of a big foot and because you're mr woo you know it it the other part is the paranormal spiritual part of the physical creature it possesses like i'm going to suck the you know maybe it became physical because it sucked the batteries out allowed us to see it and then the me feeling the cold wind is it escaping the area okay no clue but what was very strange then is we could not So David Hensley, the guy, he and his partner were spirit medium kind of, like they talk or listen or hear, get messages from the dead. They were paranormal researchers.

They were not Bigfoot researchers. They would not go out with us into the woods. They're like, we're not, this is not our bag. It wasn't my bag either. I seriously regret that I did it. But David's son was a Marine, and he was out there with us, okay? And he kind of later on admitted that he had experienced some of the same stuff that we had just did not want to say. Okay.

And this is a guy who came on to our show because David's whole family had had happening experiences. He had one, his son, and the Marines had one on base while he was sleeping. So this is not a guy who was like adverse to the paranormal. Okay. And he didn't want to tell us. So the next spring or summer, a group of them, including David and Randy, went out and they all saw these red lights out in the woods. And other people from the park then had come forward and said they were like sitting on their back deck and they'd see these red light out in the woods. So to this day, I'm not saying, I can't say it was a Bafoot experience or anything,

even though that's what we were in the woods for. And who's to say that whatever we did experience isn't the cause of the noise they heard. Okay. But, I mean, it didn't scare me. I was more like, what the heck's going on? This makes no sense. but I do now, it resonates with me now when people have these experiences and they try to, you know, oh, it was a bear running across the field or it was a helicopter.

I saw, you know, when everybody, when you try to rationalize what you are seeing, you know, rather than just maybe the most obvious explanations, the real explanation. I mean, because I sat there and thought, how on earth would I see a red? There was no light. Yeah, there's no light that would have reflected anything. But that's the first thing in my head is 50 yards away or however, you know, this reflector was so bright red

that I could see it. Like, it didn't, when you look back at it, it didn't make any sense, but I'm trying, I was trying to rationalize it. So, yeah, so, and Amy, if Amy hadn't seen, the red lights with me, I would probably have been like,

I just was seeing stuff, but because she's really more experienced out in the field and very careful with, with what she reports and says happened, um, it made me feel better that she saw that and we communicated that at that time. But that's also the reason then I'm like, yeah,

people ask us to go out all the time. Gus, goodness, this haunted house. Let's go, you know, if you sit on that porch with us all night, Bigfoot who's going to come in the woods, if you're going to go, I believe people when they're telling me stories. I don't, I don't need, like if you said, hey, look, we, I know where there's a dog man, we just got to go. I'll be like, okay, I'll check out the video. Right. I don't need, I don't need the justification of seeing some of the stuff.

with my own eyes because I don't know how he reconciles with what he saw the night of his dogmaid. I don't know how you reconcile seeing a big foot 20 feet away. It's not supposed to be there. You know, like, I don't need, I don't need to go. You know, I've seen ghost stuff happen. I don't need, you know, stuff has happened. I was going to say when I asked you about stuff, coming to you on your, you know, through when you're talking,

have you had anything ever happened during a podcast that was unexplained? Yeah, often. Often. Yeah. We did this. We had one and it was a, it was a Halloween episode you did where he actually told the wind story. But I have a good friend who lives, who's a, she's in radio. Lauren snaps her name.

She's the producer for the, um, oh, Well, on the highway, the morning show with Cody Allen. She's down in Nashville, is it? Yeah, after country music people. Yeah. And she came on to tell us story about some haunted stuff that happened to her and was happening in her apartment. Part or house. Yeah, she in Nashville.

Yeah, she basically had this entity that was in her house called Lucille. Called Lucille. Called Lucille. I had a name. Yeah. And she had talked to this thing. And she had talked to this thing. And so we're doing the podcast.

And it's me and him and Jason, our old. our producer. And we knew that she had a roommate. She had told her she had a roommate. Well, we're doing this podcast, and we hear somebody like whispering. And me and Shane and Jason all look each other like. And I throw on my notebook. Do you hear that?

And we're like, she's in professional media. Why would she let this person be whispering to her? I'm like, and we're kind of getting a little bit irritated because We're like, we're dealing with somebody who's a professional. It isn't like we're interviewing, you know, Joe Borg from Kokomo, whose wife is sitting there whispering in his ear, tell him about this. And we waved it down. Like, can you hear that?

Well, as it turned out. So after we, she was at that time the host of a big syndicated show called Pop Crush. So she was going to have us do some stuff for her Halloween show. So we never stopped the recording. And you can, and we put it up on Patreon, us like going, Lauren, who are you talking to? And she's like, there's nobody here. What are you talking about?

We're like, we heard somebody talking to you. And she's like, now, now she's getting freaked out. So we go ahead and finish it, finish her interview, whatever. And I get in my car to drive. Now we're kind of freaked out because we're like, we're doing this in the basement of the Golden Age Center. Yeah. And I get my car and she texts me.

here she had been in her desk where she does her radio stuff and when she got away from her desk and went to walk in her living room all the chairs in the living room or in the dining room had been pulled away from the table and you could see them drug and she sent me up something while we were doing the podcast and moved all the chairs

and then people then we never said anything about it and people then after the podcast episode came out said we heard did you hear this? Did you guys check? I never went back because I didn't want to hear. I knew I heard it the first time.

I didn't want to hear it again. It's the same thing. I heard it the first time. I don't need to go back and gets scared again or spoke over. I had a time where this is years ago.

I had a guy on the show. He's talking about, I think he's, I think he had a roommate that he was talking about and how like this demonic thing moved into the house when his roommate moved in. And just as he reached the point of the story where he, he lays eyes on this demonic entity, it's in the hallway. And he's, it's standing there. And he's ready to start describing what he looked at. The whole thing went, the whole system went down.

And this is back in the day I was probably using Skype. and I was on a phone call with him through Skype. Everything just shut off. And so I call him back and he answers. And just as he answers, you hear something whispering on the audio that at first, and to this day, some people say it still says this, but it sounds to me like I said, get Tony. And I heard this whisper and I was like, I'm like, I heard this whisper. and I was like, I mark it down.

And back then, I didn't even have memberships. I had Patreon. And the only thing I had was, it was, patrons could watch me do interviews that were going to be aired in the future live. And so there are people watching live and they saw it and heard it too. And so that happened. And I spent, I spent a long time going over that audio. listening it over and over again trying to get what it was saying. And I kind of settled on it saying get Tori. But maybe that's just my...

Now, listen, you didn't have immediately T-shirts off of the pay for listeners that said, get Tony? No, no. I'm actually pretty, I'm pretty poor at capitalizing on unique situations like that. But yeah, I mean, it's, I had, I had another time where this guy was talking about this, this knocker that was knocking three times. And just as he said something about it knocking, you hear this knocking on his end, because I record everything on separate tracks. So I was on his audio file.

And I was like, oh, did you hear that? And he's like, what? And I was like, there was knocking. I just heard three knocks. like, no, I didn't hear it. Play it back. Sure enough, knock, knock, knock. Yeah, we've had, I've had lots of weird things happen on the show, but I'm the kind of person saying that I'm just like, well, I got to go back and look at it.

I got to touch it. I got to push that button and see what comes out the other side, which is why I'm a little psycho with running around the woods at night hunting monsters. So, but let's, speaking of monsters, let's get into the dog man encounter. Hey, everyone, I want to take a break real quick and talk to you about the new social media network, The Confessionals, just launched. That's right. The Confessionals has its own social media platform exclusively available to members to the Confessionalspodcast.com. This is a social media platform that houses all the extra content on it. Plus, you get access to your own personal profile that you can post things on. You can comment on episodes, repost episodes, like episodes,

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Which, which, by the way, we didn't get a phone call from West saying you should start a podcast. No, we did not. There was live in heaven and said it was him going on Shannon's show. And then he says, we don't start a podcast. I hadn't even listened to a podcast. And he goes, we'll start a podcast. We love talking about this stuff. It would be interesting to hear other people.

We didn't know anything. Not that we know anything now. Yeah. So I was like 15 years old, maybe 16 years old, it's mid-80s. And I had gotten basically conned into training to run this 10K race that our annual Bratworth Festival. And the guy who conned me into it was a former military guy. And so he was very regimented with this training program that I was going to run. And so anyways, so it was early August because the race was the third weekend in August.

So it's middle early first week of August somewhere in there. And I was supposed to run five miles that day. Well, we had had a lot of really hot days and he's like, well, you know, I'll give you your choice. You can get up and run early morning like 6 a.m., which I had a terrible morning person. Or you can run in the evening. I'm like, I'm going with the evening. I'm going to run the evening. So I'm supposed to run in the evening, but as things would go,

I procrastinated and horsed around and didn't get around to it, and it's now getting dark. I don't care. I grew up four or five miles out in the country off of State Route 4, which is, it's only two lane, but very, very heavily traveled, especially back then. A lot of lake traffic. Like, if you're going from Columbus, Ohio, up to Lake Erie to world famous Cedar Point and things like that, you're going to drive right by my house. So, I thought, oh, man, I got to go out and run that five miles. So I left my house, and there's a little side road called Temple Road.

And Temple Road, if you took it down to the next state route, 19 was two and a half miles. I'm like, oh, this, you know, I'm just going to run down Temple Road to 19. I'll turn around and come back. Easy, peasy. Now, there's no headphones back then, no, you know, I, you know, iPods and stuff like that. So nobody uses iPods anymore. Yeah. But nobody even knows with that.

Walkman's. Walkman was a big thing. This actually predated Walkman's, I think. And we were poor, so I couldn't afforded one even if I wanted. wanted to, right? So I take off, and you have to understand the geography. So Temple Road runs east and west, and it's a small country road. And so I had to, I had to head south about, what was it, 150 yards maybe? A couple hundred. A couple hundred yards. Turn right on the Temple Road. And for the first mile, it's all corn on the right-hand side of the road, all corn.

And on the left-hand side is basically soybeans. This is, you know, farmland. You get to the mile mark is flickens your road. It's crossroad. Go up another mile. There's Eton Road. And then you hit State Route 19. You turn around and you come back.

So I take off and it's getting dark. And by the time I get to State Route 19 and I'm having to, headed back, it is dark. It's dark. And I'm a country boy and, and, you know, I play hide and seek at night and barns and stuff. I'm not scared of the dark, right? So when I get back to where Flickinger road is, so you got Flickinger, but before you get to Flick ander on the way back, which would now be on my left hand side, the side where the corn is, there's a woods. They've since built houses in there, and they kind of cleaned it out. But at the time, it was a woods. And I got what I called my spider senses went off. Like I had this like six cents or whatever it was that something was watching me from the woods. And so I stopped. And I'm staring at the woods and I don't see anything.

I don't hear anything. I'm about to say, okay, I'm going to get running. I got a mile to go. Let's get the hell out of here. a cross flickinger on the side of the corn is I see the corn moving and about four rows in maybe but whatever's in the corn is doing like circles like I can tell it's like doing circles at least I think that's what it's doing right now the corn is about head high but I see it moving I'm like the heck is that my first thought was deer because we're deer country we have tons of deer

My daughter just hit one with her car a couple weeks ago. So I'm like, oh, man, that's a deer, no big deal. And then it stopped moving. And then the corn just stopped. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to take off. So when I start running, whatever's in the corn takes off running the same time I do. And it's pacing me. Like, it's pacing me.

Now, I can't see what it is because it's three, four rows in. but it's pacing me. It's staying the same pace as me. So I just stopped. And when I stopped, it stopped. When I say it stopped, it stopped at the exact same point I did. It didn't like run ahead of me and then stop. It stops some time I did.

And I'm like, looking at it, I'm like, well, how did it know I stopped? You know what I mean? So then you start saying, well, okay, that's not a deer because deer are very skittish. just take off. It's not a dog, because this was big. I mean, it was big. Like, the corn was really moving. Like, whatever was in there was big.

So I'm thinking, well, could it be a person? But what's the odds some person is out on this solitary country road at night? And I don't know if any of your listeners have ever been inside a cornfield or not, but try running in a cornfield. It's not easy. And they'll cut the crap out of you. And it would be almost impossible for somebody to run in a cornfield the same pace that I'm running on asphalt. Okay?

And at that time, we didn't have a big coyote population in the area we do now. But even still, it was too big. Like, you could see the corn was really moving. And like, a dog would not have made the corn move like that. So I'm like, now I start to panic a little bit, right? because I start to panic. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to take off as fast as I can. Boom, I take off like I'm shot out of the can.

And what I do, at the precise time that I take off, the thing in the corn takes off. And it paced me, and I'm running fast. I'm gunning it. And it's just pacing me perfectly, staying with me. So now I stop again. And now I start to almost, what I would call, paper ventilate because I got that big fight or flight, you know, rush of adrenaline, and I burn it off. And now I'm breathing hard, like, oh, shit, like, oh, gosh, like, okay.

And it stopped. And like I said, and when it stops, the corn is perfectly still. It isn't like it's rustling around in there. You know, I mean, when it stops moving the corn just perfectly still. And so now I'm like, okay, this is what. scares me now. Whatever's in the corn is faster than me because I was going, I was going, you know, I wasn't trying to run a hundred meter dash, but I was going as hard as I could run. And this thing just kept up with me in the corn. So it's clearly faster than me and probably

bigger than me with the amount of corn is moving. So I'm thinking, what do I do? Well, there was a farmhouse coming up on my right. And I don't know why, but people weren't living there at the time. but I knew there was a tree that set out by the road because I'd run by it before on days I'd run. I thought, well, yeah, I'm a country boy. I'm going to get to that tree and I'm just going to climb that damn tree. I'll climb up high enough and maybe I'll seat down. But if I have to sit in this tree all night,

I'll set in a tree all night until, I don't know, maybe my parents will realize I'm gone and they'll come looking for me, right? But my parents, they would frequent the local VSW. So God only knows when they were getting home. You know what I mean? And they'd get only probably a few drinks in them. Nobody was looking for any of it.

No, until morning. And nobody's working for me. So I take off running again, but this time very measured. Like, I'm not sprinting or anything like that. And when I take off, the thing in the corn takes off. And it paces me all the way to the farmhouse. Except when I get there,

someone had recently dehorned the tree. So they cut all the board. rances off that was low. There's no way I can climb this. There's no way. And I'm like, God, dang it. So I stop, it stops. So I'm like, okay, what do I do? You know, what do I do? Well, once you got past the farmhouse, it was less than a half mile to route four. And on the right side, my right side, it was all beans. On my left side, it's all. On my left side, it's all corn until you get about 20 yards maybe at the time. So the corn, there was a, there was kind of a little bit of a ravine, and then there was like

a series of weeds, wildflowers, and stuff like that before the corn started. And my, the only thing I can think of is when they, when they play in the corn that year, they didn't, the equipment couldn't get, you know, get close enough to the road or whatever. So let me just look. Pretty common. So I'm like, well, if I stay the course, the way I'm going. If I turn left to go home, whatever's in the corn is going to pop out about 20 yards or so, maybe 10 yards, before I get to Route 4 and I'm going to run right into it.

Like, we're going to intersect. So I'm like, crap, what do I do? Well, one of my best friends live to the right. Okay, his house lived to the right. So I thought about just trying to cut across the soybean field to angle at his house. But if you've ever How sorry beings were playing If I'd have tried to do that

It would have tripped me up I would have fell And this is this is kind of like My teenage mind at the time I was sitting there thinking Well you know When you were a kid And you were playing tag

On the playground Or in gym class or whatever And there was a kid that was faster than you You could always juke them You know what I mean Like you could And so I'm thinking Well as long as I'm on the pavement

maybe I can juke, you know what I mean? Because keep in mind, I have no idea what's in the corn. You know, I'm sort of thinking, you know, your mind's racing because you're in panic mode. There's no cell phones back then for people who are listening. It's like, well, I can't use a cell phone. This was the 1900. This was the 1980s. So I'm like, okay, well, here's my plan.

I'm just going to go slow until I get just a bit, when I get to where that corn ends. And when the corn ends, I'm going to take off Sprint as hard as I can across Route 4 and then I'm going to run the hundred and some, maybe 200 yards to my buddy's house. So, but the problem was Route 4 back then, there was tons of semi-trucks, tons of semi-tru. So it was almost going to be like the old game of Frogger. You guys remember the arcade game Frogger where you've got to get the frog across and this cars coming? He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't.

But anyways, how do you guys think I am? I have no idea. I don't even think you're in my ACD score, to be honest. 12. Well, I appreciate it. So anyways, so I'm kind of building kind of steam a little bit. I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

I'm getting there. And I originally told myself, I wasn't going to look. I wasn't going to look. I was just going to go on. But I couldn't help myself. So as I get to where the corn, and like I said, this thing's running with me the whole time. Like, it's paced me the whole time. And I scooted as far over as I could on the road, on Temple Road, like, to be as far away from as possible.

On the lawn and a half. I mean, it's barely a road. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm as far over as I can. And as I get to where the corn ends, I kind of do this side shuffle. and I look, and that's when I saw it. This thing comes out of the corn.

It's about six foot tall, head of the dog, okay, high pointed ears, clearly dog's head, but it's standing on two feet, dark furrow, I can't tell if it was black or gray or brown, because it's dark. I mean, it was nighttime, but you could see. You know what I mean? There wasn't like there was a full moon. No, it was nothing, but it was clear. You could see. And it looks at me, and the way its shape was, its shoulders were really rolled forward. And the flowers and weeds and stuff went up past its knees. So I can't tell you how its knees were bent forwards, backwards, if it had a tail or anything like that. But it looked at me. And, I didn't see any eyes shine or anything like that.

There was nothing that would have reflected it. And it looks at me. And it looked like, the best way I could describe it is it looks like a linebacker in football, how you're kind of hunched and leaned forward. So I suppose if it had stretched itself out, it would probably been six and a half feet tall, maybe. But it was rolled shouldered. And it looked at me. And I got a really good look at it.

at it and I take off running as fast as I can't get across Route 4. Now, it just so happens that to my left I see a semi-truck coming. And there was a slight elevation, just a little bit. So I could see the semi was coming from my left. There was nothing coming from my right. So it had its head turned looking at me. The lights wouldn't have hit it in the face or anything like that. and I shot across route four and in my mind I imagined the way this thing was biomechanically built that it was going to drop to all fours and start chasing me.

I don't know why I thought that. Maybe it's just how it was standing. I'm not saying it did. I'm not saying that it chased me. But I ran as hard as I could. So my buddy, they had an in-ground pool. It was like 10 feet deep. And they had a chain link fence and they always left it open for some reason. I don't know why. And my plane was just run through the gate and never locked their doors back then. This is an 80s thing. I don't know if people realize this. But back in the 80s, no, we locked their doors. Like, we would leave our house and never lock our doors.

And my buddy never locked their doors. Like, we would show up there all the time and go swimming in his house. he wasn't there or go into his house and get stuff and never lock their doors. That's what I started. That's why I saw love your doors. So I'm just going to run under their patio. I'm going to rip the sliding glass door open and, you know, hopefully get him for the same gets me. As I'm getting there, I noticed that the gate's closed.

I'm like, oh, crap. And I'm, in my mind, there's no way I got time to stop, flip the scallop shape thing and open the gate and get it. So I'm like, I'm just going to fallow flop this thing, right? So I'm running. I get to the gate. I jump, put my hand down, slash myself going over the fence. And when I land on two feet, and I don't know why I did this, but when I landing on two feet, my first instinct, just dive in the pool. So I dive head first into the pool, and I'm blowing my air out, and I feel myself going because the pool that I jumped in where the shallow in would have been.

and I feel my chest sliding down the deep end. And I get to the bottom, I'm blown my arrow, I pinch my nose, and I look up, fully expecting to see this thing sitting on the side of the pool, like waiting for me to, you know, come up. And I'm down there, what seemed like an attorney, I'm sure, was just a couple seconds, and I mean. And I swim to the top. It's not there. And by the way, swimming in shoes is really, really tough. it actually is. So I get out of the pool

and they had a sliding glass door and the curtains were pulled. I ripped that door open as hard as I can. And at the time, this was back in the days when satellites first came out dish, like satellite dishes. They were expensive. They were like this.

They're like the size of a house. They're enormous. It's like the movie contact. You could only contact something. another universe or galaxy. And so my buddy had figured out out of the hundreds and hundreds of channels they got that they got the Playboy channel. Somehow, he's looking at the curtains. He's sitting at his parents more home.

And he's laying on his couch watching this Playboy channel. And I scream and he screams because he thinks that his parents came on and caught him much of the Playboy channel. So I slammed the door lock And I'm like, turn lights out, turn lights out, turn lights out. He has no idea what's going on, right? He has no idea. And all I can say is there's something after me, there's something after me. So he turn the lights out.

And I'm looking out the windows. And he's got all kinds of trees and different things. I mean, things that could be hot. His garage was detached. It was off. And I'm looking outside. I don't see anything. No see anything.

No see anything. and there's no way I was leaving that house that night. I ended up staying the night at his place. I was like, I'm not walking outside. Like, there's no way I'm going back outside. No way in hell. So I didn't tell him what I saw. All I said was there was something.

I tell him the story that there's something in the corn. Something was pacing me. Something's chasing me. But I didn't tell him what I saw because I didn't think he might believe me. And in our life. The very next night, all these guys, we all play basketball together, and we always, we always get together and played poker, okay, back in the, something else that people don't probably, I don't know. Right. I don't think they do it.

But so everybody, he'll get her, live down Route 4, the same place, just, what, another mile down the road? Yeah, another mile down the road. So we're in his garage, because it's summertime around playing poker. The door is open. So we're in a night. He's telling, he's like, hey, guys, this is what happened to me last night. And he's telling the story that, you know, something was pacing in the, in the cornfield. And he does not tell us what he saw, but he says, what do you guys think it was?

You know, and I can still see the look on, or one buddy is a D1 baseball coach down in South Carolina. And he just kind of go, oh, looting, whatever. me. You know, you just saw a deer. I mean, I still see the disdain in his face. We had to sit there and listen to this story of something pacing him in the field. I'm like, oh, it was just a deer. You know, so, I mean, we all remember him telling the story. Right. Because then, fast forward to when he figured it out, okay, like what it was he saw. So the only thing, so when I saw this thing, I never. ever thought We're going to me the werewolf was Lon Cheney Jr.

I mean, with a flat face wearing a plaid shirt and pants and he's running around. It did not look like the Hollywood

werewolf. Okay, that's, what it did look like to me and the only frame of reference I had at the time

was it looked just like the Egyptian God Anubis. Its head and the way its ears were and the last thing I'm going to tell

somebody is, hey look, I'm out here. And guess who pops out? He got a nurse. Came straight from Cairo. And he paid a whole into our temple right. I wasn't going to tell anybody by that. I mean, the, the, I'd have been made fun out.

I might have been called a kook. And we will. I just said I was like, dudes made, you know, McGuire made fun of you when he just thought it was a deer. Yeah, I mean, people made fun of me anyway. So it's made fun enough like, well, okay, you know, I didn't tell myself. So years went by. Years went by. And I'm sitting there thinking,

and I always wondered what I saw. And I, and keep in mind, there was no podcasts, there were no internet, there was no TV shows. The only monsters that we even knew about was like Bigfoot,

the Loch Ness Monster. And there's one in Ohio. There's one, Ohio, you know, I don't know, that's the legend of boggy creek or. So, I even was thinking,

I remember, like, hear about devil dogs, like in the moors of England, these black, dogs. And I remember seeing a show one time where this black dog had reined in this church and it killed the guy in the church and it put its paws on the wall of the church. And to this day, you can still see where the church. It was a devil dog and its paws are burnt in the church. But I'm sitting there

thinking, but that's not what I saw. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't see a dog. Whatever this thing was, it was on two feet. It was on two feet and it was standing and it had arms. It was these long arms. And it didn't have arms like a dog. like, you know, it had arms like a person that looked like. And so, lo and behold, I hear about this thing called the Beast of Bray Road, which my experience predates Bray Road, by the way. And then I start listening and hearing about it and looking into it. And then I bought the book, The Beast of Bray Road.

And I start reading. And in one of those descriptions, this guy is saying that, what he saw looked like the Egyptian god Anubis. And I said, that's what I saw. He and I saw the same thing. And it was this thing that they called Dogman that Linda Godfried had dubbed Dogman. I'm like, that's what I saw. That's it.

That's exactly what I saw. And so I finally got a hold of him. I said, hey, remember, I know what I saw. He calls me and he goes, I know what I saw that night. And I go, so you knew what he knew what. the night he was talking about. And I'm like, the night. And he goes, I think I saw a dog man.

And I go, what do you mean you saw? And he goes, well, what I didn't tell you guys is, is what I saw and stepped out of the corn. And I immediately go. And so you let us the next night sit out in our garage? Or the same was a monitor my conference. You saw this thing? He's like, well, you guys wouldn't believe me. And I'm like, I can't believe you let us, you know, be out there.

out of the garage. But, you know, the thing about it is, so I was on Shannon LaGroes story I told it, and she sent me an email from somebody who, at that time, lived around the corner from where that was. And she and I communicated, and she said that

around that same time, she, her boyfriend, her husband, fiance, had been working night shift, and she had these two Dobermans. And one night she heard something outside her house and the Dobermans got so scared they went in the bathroom and laid down that the Dobermans were scared of what was ever creeping out there. So then we end up starting the podcast as a forum. We've had people come forward who had dogman experiences and had never told anybody. But the interesting one was we had Linda Gottfried on.

And she totally blew my mind because she said that she had been studying dogma. for all these years. And then one day, she overlapped, dogmen sightings with Indian burial grounds. And what she found out was the sights line up perfectly. She put them on a grid. So then that led me to do some research, and I found out on Flickinger Road,

where I first saw the corn moving, and I got that spider sense that something was watching me about 200 yards away is an Indian burial ground. Wow. And then the lady, well, we assume it was a lady, because she said boyfriend.

Yeah. It was a different time in the, yeah. Is where she was, and we knew, because we went to elementary school, like, we went to elementary school, like, a mile from all this stuff. Yeah. Like, when we say this has been in our back, well, where she, and she was living in a really odd place. She lived out in the middle of the field.

It was a house there. Yeah, I don't only get too special. Yeah, but, but there's an Indian, Indian burial amount there that we never knew about. Never knew it was there. And I was on the mail route. He goes, check your text messages. And here he had set me this thing that showed where these Indian bery amounts were. And so then I started asking, and there are a lot of farmers' fields, at least around us, where the farmers don't say anything.

You know, they don't say anything because they don't want people out messing around in their fields, in their field. Because then I suppose if you do go out there and you find some artifacts, the state. the state may come in, even though they know they're there, as long as you don't disturb them. But if they get disturbed, I believe they kind of maybe shut them down and then they shut that area down

and they go in. Yeah, I think, but so, you know, this whole time and there's two, and you talk to people, dog men all time, to me there's two schools of thought. One is that dog man is this

flesh and blood creature that is yet to be captured and identified and, you know, and the other is it has this supernatural component to it. I have no idea what it is. I know what I saw. I know what I saw. Was it, is it something that is supernatural? Is it something just flesh and blood? I don't know.

But I was on an airplane. If you ever sit next somebody on an airplane, you're by yourself. everyone that's why you start striking up a conversation. We can travel on an airplane. Somebody doesn't. Exactly. The world faints, he's Tony.

So I didn't know. So the whole reason I started this conversation is this guy who's actually reading a book that looked like he would be into this stuff, right? So I started telling him with the story and he says, wow, you're really lucky you didn't go left. I go, yeah, I would have re-in-in-it.

He goes, oh, no, no, no. He goes, I'm a hunter, and I've hunt wolves up in Minnesota. And he said, you know, wolves will never attack you one on one because they're not very big and they're scared if they would get injured attacking something bigger than them that they wouldn't be able to run with the pack. So what will happen is a wolf will drive you to a kill zone. And his theory was that the reason why this thing didn't come out of the corn and attack me was it was pushing me, pushing me to where if I'd have turned left and if I'd have turned left, there was corn across route four, right by my house. His theory, his theory, was it was pushing me to where the pack was going to get me. And because I turned right and there was no corn right that I was safe, but if I had

turned left and tried to go to my house, I'd have been snatched up and killed them. Well, I've heard that these things do travel together in packs. I've also heard, I mean, I don't know if I've ever had somebody on the show that had a story where it's, It was like a pack kind of thing, but I've heard about it. And so if that's the case, that would be, that'd be terrifying, you know, like to come across not just one, but several. Are you kidding me? Well, I wouldn't be here to tell the story. That's the whole point.

Your parents would be still looking for you underneath the table with the VA. They're like, where are you going to go? Yeah, I don't worry about. Well, we had heard. This is what's crazy. And you asked about, like, living in this community. We've heard at least three different stories that took place. In fact, I just had one three, four weeks ago.

Somebody was doing work on a garage, and the guy listens to our show, knew everything. He was working with Steve. And he's related a story to me from a girl that we know. We've never heard the story. But she was on the bus back in the day when this is, you know, and saw something, her and another girl saw something run across the bus into the field and described it as being like a big wolf looking creature on two legs and saw it in the morning or whatever on the bus on school bus yeah school bus wow i'm like what but but then we heard about farmers north of

us having lives and it was something that you came to find out that nobody like you didn't to the sheriff's department and report, like, who did you report to? They don't believe it. Then once his story got out, then people started coming. I mean, you're talking in the mid-80s. Yeah, people have had experiences about the same time I did when I saw this thing, are now coming forward saying, yes, I remember back during that time in the mid-80s, we saw these things or experienced these things, which leaves me to believe that whatever

these were, either one, they're connected to the Indian Barrelground or two, these were just transient, a pack of transient dogmen were pushing through the area and just happened to be seen, call some carnage, and then moved on. Because nobody has came forward to say, oh, yeah, the year 2000, the year, nothing recent. No, never heard anything. And this is in Ohio? Yeah. You mentioned Toledo earlier. How far from Toledo? I don't know if you guys. is it probably where you're actually at or not? We were like an hour north of Columbus. So to be there was about an hour and a half to the northwest.

Yes. Is that, so if I remember correctly, that's definitely the like flat area of Ohio. Oh, yeah, it's flat. Yeah. It's flat. And the thing about it is in Linda Godfried's book then, there's a, there's an account in Mansfield, which is 25 miles from us. Mansfield is about 20 miles to the east of us. It's where the Shawshank Redemption was filmed and stuff.

You know, it's where the prison is. So it's a town just off of 71. And this will harken back to your roots. There was a trailer park. Well, these people, multiple people, saw these two bipedal dog-like creatures digging in the trash dumpster, like back-to-back nights. And when, and it was underneath, you know, street light and where the, what the trash dumps was. And multiple people saw these bipedal, wolf-like, dog-like things digging, like dumpster diving.

And then they would run off on two legs. Huh. And that's 25 miles from us. And nothing recent, huh? We've heard of nothing recent, huh? Interesting. Which is good. I mean, I guess it's good if that's what you don't want to.

Like if you said there was something recent, I'd be like, man, you guys got an extra room or something? Like, Tony's... The thing is, I live, and I live right next to a cornfield every other year. It goes from corn to beans, you know, crop rotation. And so I have a hot tub. I sit out in a night. And I will never set with my back towards the cornfield. Well, to be honest, the scariest thing would be for whatever's looking at you in the hot tank.

Yeah. Okay. But yeah, to this day, to this day, I'm very edgy about at night and what's lurking around the corner and, you know, you know. And, you know, the thing about it is what, you know, it's been said in movies, I think like that. If what I saw is real, what else is real. Yeah. You know, I'm not just worried about what I saw, what else is real. that's you know it's funny you say that because i have uh i had adam davies uh are you guys familiar

with adam david yeah so um he was here in studio a couple weeks ago and uh actually tomorrow at the time of this recording tomorrow has that episode's airing um and he said something similar he talked about um this uh this portal that he saw opened up in washington state uh he was you know he's this world traveler hunting you know all these different species that we haven't discovered yet and he decided to, you know, like, I guess he had heard the rumors and all that stuff, but he was just like, well, I just want to find evidence. So wherever that takes me. So he went and spent some time with Matthew Johnson in Oregon. I think it's Oregon. And, you know, Matthew Johnson has built up a reputation for himself to, like, he's probably a little

more woo than me. I don't know. But like, you know, like people back in the day at least, they were like, this guy's crazy, you know? I reserve judgment on that. So, like, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm a disciple of Johnson, but I would say that some of the stuff that he's claimed, I would, I would say, let's not so, so much just say that it's impossible, you know? But some of the other stuff is kind of wild, too. Anyways, so he basically, he's in the woods and one night he's in this I guess a smoking section

and they saw this him and this other guy saw a beam of light like a white light shoot across his path and as they look at it a like red glow opened up and these two black stocky short creatures came through

the portal and he said they charged them and when they charged them and when they charged them him, he shined his flashlight on him and it, uh, they disappeared. And he said, this happened all night long and the following night. It happened. It just for two nights, him and two other guys, well, just one other guy, uh, were like, lightsaboring these creatures coming through a portal. And, uh,

so I say that story because he said to me in the studio, he's like, listen, like, I, I'm, I'm a well-educated man and he's like, I thought I had an understanding of what was out there. If these things are real, like, I know nothing about this world and how it exists and how it operates. And, you know, I think that's kind of like a similar thing that you guys have come to and with the dogman. It's like, listen, this can exist. I don't know what else could be possibly out there. I mean, I mean, we're educated, rational guys. And, you know, I can't tell you, Or is this what I saw supernatural or is this just a flesh and blood creature that nobody's caught yet? You know? I don't know. And I don't want to be one of those guys that says, oh, I know exactly what I saw.

You know what I mean? I don't know. Yeah. And it's funny you say that about the, well, I wanted to ask you something else. One of the last, one of the last episodes I listened to, you had the guy on who did the, oh gosh today is supposed to be the day where there's a UFO tomorrow tomorrow see how it's open notes today tomorrow

December 3rd yep December 3rd I am I sent him that episode and I said you got to listen to this this is like I don't even know what that's all about but that was it that was

you know it bothers me the guy's name is Cliff High and I've communicate back and forth of the minute text and he's like, I can't, I don't want to say what it was,

but like, he said, I can't, no, no, no, you know, I have this thing that I can't, uh,

I need to be ready for and I can't do any interviews. And I've seen videos of him popping up on YouTube. I'm like, Cliff, why are you, why are you lying to me, bud? Like,

come on, man. Like, get all the confessions. You got a better. He got better. He's big time in you. But you, but you said that about the,

the portals and stuff coming out. Gerald when it passed away last week, remember Christopher O'Brien that came on the show, and he was one of the first guys to investigate the cattle mutilations out on Skinwalker Ranch. And he was a great guest. I mean, he was a wealth of knowledge, but he sat there and told us about him and other researchers seeing,

at the time they didn't know to call it a portal, but just like a beam of light becoming like a bigger beam light and stuff stepping out of it and like you know shaking off whatever just traveled through and just walking

and he said well you know it wasn't anything uh it wasn't a species of anything that was no long range you know it was you know just big wolf like creatures on two feet stepping out and he goes we all

So there and watched it and, you know, what are you going to do? You know, and then you say Adam Davis, you know, has that same experience. It's crazy to think what is out there that we don't know. And I just said this to a guest that's going to be on the, you know, the episode will come out. But I think that a lot of times we are so bombarded with so much noise. Like we said, we're busy, too busy to notice. but we're bombarded with all this noise from other places. And it makes you wonder if the people in power or the people know that if they don't keep us preoccupied.

And we're able to quiet things down and really evaluate and think and maybe even meditate on some stuff, the stuff that we would discover or tap within ourselves. And another thing that we might figure some stuff out that the powers that be don't want us to figure out. Yeah. You know, and I'm not just talking about like our government. Like, I think there's forces probably larger than that. What was that real theme? One of the themes in the book, Fahrenheit 451, is that they got rid of speed limits because they wanted people to drive as fast they could.

They would be so focused on driving. They couldn't sit around and just think. And then, like, wasn't it the walls or whatever? All the walls in your house was a TV and you could interact with them. And, like, it was interacting because they didn't want people just sitting around reading books and thinking. They wanted to make sure their minds were always preoccupied. Yeah. I just think we're so busy with stuff that we don't really slow things down.

and give ourselves the opportunity to really discover what's really out there or what is available to us. And there's people that are probably interested in us not knowing that, for sure. 100%. 100%. Yeah, I agree. You know, it's kind of, it might be considered a conspiracy, but it's true. I mean, I think that, you know, we're so distracted. by our phones and everything in our pockets and stuff as a general culture that the idea of

anything happening outside the screen is almost foreign anymore, you know, like you look at the, you know, I mean, I'm not as ancient as you guys apparently, but, you know, I did, I did grow up in the 1900s as well. And, uh, and, and being born in 1999 is not. 85, 85. Uh, but like, I mean, the, um, the, the, the, the, the kids, grow, up today, you know, they, I mean, the idea of a cell phone is like, almost like it's a utility, you know, it's like, it's always there, you know, it's like, it's not a, it's not like, hey, this is really cool, you know, it's like, well, why would it, they don't know a time before that. So I think there's a whole culture and society and generation that is just operating with

reality in the screen and the palm of their hands. And this kind of stuff is almost foreign. We do have a lot of young kids, though, listening to the show, which I'm happy with because I always thought that, you know, the younger generation wouldn't want to hear from me. But they do. They listen. And I actually, last year, I think it was, I interviewed this 17-year-old kid. And I didn't know how old he was until I logged on with him. And I looked at him. I'm like, you look young, dude.

How old are you? And he's like 17. I was like, we need to talk to your parents before. I talked to you. And he's like, oh, my mom's a member. She told me to email you. I was like, oh, perfect. But yeah, anyways, fellas, listen, I appreciate it having you guys on and chatting here with you.

Before you get out of here, let them know again about the podcast where they can get it. Yeah, you can find the From the Shadows podcast everywhere, YouTube, all the regular podcast channel, Spotify, Apple, whatever. You can, if you want to find out more, you can go to From the Shadowspodcast.com. It takes us to all over our social media. You can contact us if you, you know, want to get a hold of us, ask the judge questions. And I would love that if anybody has some ideas about wind and what I, what I experience. Shoot us an email. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And if you've got a story and Tony doesn't want to talk to you, you're more than welcome to come talk to. We don't talk about us. We just have time to go. Plenty of podcasts. We appreciate you having a song. We love to talk to, you know,

Lice has really been a good friend to us and a good friend of the show. And it's how we got connected. I kind of love the community. Everybody's really pretty cool. And I think everybody's, most everybody's hearts in it for the right reasons. I mean, it's all of us. I think all of us are in a journey of discovery. And we want to know.

You know, we want to know. And yeah, there are the trolls out there. But haters are going to hate. Haters are going to hate. Do I sing, do I preach out of them? But we got to be a warrior tool. Because that's what warriors do.