The Confessionals - 746: The Rise of Nephilim Magick

Episode Date: April 8, 2025

In episode 746: The Rise of Nephilim Magick; Tony is joined by Pastor Troy Brewer, a globally traveled pastor, author, and rescuer of human trafficking victims, whose life straddles the line between mission work and spiritual warfare. What began with rescuing trafficked children from cartel-controlled zones quickly unraveled into something darker—something supernatural. Pastor Troy’s bold efforts drew retaliation from the unseen: dreams of warfare, demonic visitations through Zoom, and portals tearing open in places they shouldn’t exist.The warfare was relentless. Hybrid entities stepping into our world. A demon calling itself "Impenetrable" stalking his family. Even a Colombian prison filled with murderers wasn’t the end, but every confrontation revealed one thing: darkness trembles at the name of Jesus. From angelic encounters to divine protection in the belly of chaos, Pastor Troy’s story forces a question: what if the battle between good and evil is more literal than we think?Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Troy BrewerYouTube | WebsiteMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - SpinningYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. That's contact at the confessionalspodcast.com. Or go to the website, the confessionalspodcast.com, hit the contact section, and you can reach me that way as well. Either works for me, just get a hold of me. If you want more shows

on a weekly basis, we got you covered. You can get extra shows on our exclusive social media app only available to members. When you become a member, you get access to the special social media app community, and that is where we house all our bonus content. See you on the other side. Now, today we have Pastor Troy Brewer on the show. He came up to the studio from Dallas, Texas, and man, did we go in? We went all over the place. He fights human trafficking all over the world. They've saved thousands upon thousands of kids from their abusers. They actually house these children. He has a fantastic ministry that he is involved in. And during the process of saving these children and fighting evil, you come face to face with it and you come face to face with the supernatural.

He talks about the Nephilim magic that is going on today during human trafficking. He talks about the time that he saw a giant, a 25-footer in Mexico. He shares tons of stories. He didn't touch on all of them. He's coming back to the studio. So let's get to Pastor Troy right now. I get it. You know, it's all been preparation.

But Pastor Troy Brewers on the show, sir, I'm going to. sir, I'm glad you're here. Thank you. And I want to let the people know that the way this all kind of came together, I think it would have come together either way, but it was about a year ago, Alan DeDio and his family came by here to talk about their book, his new book that was out.

And I think it was Evan that brought up the fact that they were talking to you and that you had listened to my show. And I thought they were kidding. until I think Evan started a group text between you and me and him. And I was like, holy cow. Like, I was just like, I was just as stupefied, man. I was just, I couldn't, I couldn't believe it. I was like, what?

Like, I didn't know I'd ever have a chance to talk to you. So I've listened to it. I've listened to hours and hours and hours and hours. I love edgy stuff. I love supernatural stuff. I don't balk at it, you know? Yeah. Because, you know, I've traveled the world and I've been doing this for a long, long time.

And guys like you actually bring to the, table, the language that we all need to come out of, you know, okay, hey, we've already got a lens, but we're not sure how this fits into our lens. What is this thing? So, yeah, I love it. It's interesting because, you know, growing up in charismatic circles myself, I was raised to somebody's a God. We believe in the moving of the spirit. We believe in miracles, you know, all this stuff. but it seems like there's this like guardrail that's been put in place. And it's like we're not going to not even say that this is possible, but even acknowledge it exists.

And I think that it just created this divide where it's like there are people in the world who are having real experiences with things that the church is saying, oh, that's not even impossible. Yeah. You know? And I think a prime example of that is growing up, I've been reading a lot of Exodus right now. And growing up, just the vibe,

I don't know if anybody ever taught me this, but the idea was that Pharaoh's sorcerers were doing more magic tricks than actual sorcery. It wasn't until recently when I was reading it. I'm reading it, and then I'm looking at the actual words in Hebrew, I'm looking at it in Strongs. And I'm like, this isn't magic tricks. This is actual incantations.

And I text my pastor, and he confirmed it with me, and I was just like, wow. Like here I am eight years in this podcast and it's finally sinking in that that was actual magic, you know? And so it's right there in the scripture. We have eyes to see it. Yeah. So one of the patterns that you see in Christianity that is so religious and so bogus is this. Number one, it doesn't exist.

Number two, okay, well, it does exist, but it only exists in a Bible. And then number three, okay, it does exist. It's not just in a Bible, but that was a long time ago or it's going to be a long ways off in the future. and religious people do the same thing over and over and over for just whatever is not convenient for their theology. Yeah. Is it because there's maybe it's hard to define and understand certain things so they just push it aside and act like it doesn't exist? Because to me it seems like that's probably what's going on is that it's more scary to touch the topics that we don't completely understand. I really don't know, but throughout history, it just seems like the faith has kind of gone through

these cycles. I mean, clearly, when you're closer to time of Christ, those Christians believed in the supernatural. You know, they believed in the things that were happening the day, and somewhere along the line, it just kind of got watered down. And I feel like we're at a point in time now where it's becoming more, I don't want to call it mainstream, but at least acknowledged, you know? Yeah. So Daniel and the book of Daniel, He says, he says, this, this, that, that, this, that, that. And then he says, seal it up. So the seal, so there's, in biblically, there are veils, and then there are, like,

there can be a veil up on somebody's heart or in the New Testament. And it talks about, you know, for Jewish brothers and sisters, how hard it is for them to see that Jesus is a Christ. And he said, he said there's a veil up on them. And then that, that also goes for the church to see how important Israel is. There's a veil, right? But a veil, man, you can see through it if you press hard enough. Okay, man, but you got to concentrate. But then there are seals.

When something actually gets sealed up, man, that seal means it can sit right in front of you and you never be able to see it because it's sealed up. And then boom, at the time of the end, the seals are broken. And so a lot of this revelation is actually reserved, you know, for this time. A lot of it are ancient brothers and sisters knew and they walked in it every single day. And the writers of the Bible certainly understood it. And the Bible is very selective as to what it tells you because it assumes the writers assume you know what they know. So, man, when you're reading the book of Jude and he's quoting Enoch and, you know, talking about this and that, when you read the book of Daniel or you go through Isaiah's prophecies about the Messiah, but also about the day that they're living in, they just assume that you have a world perspective and a worldview that they do.

Now we go thousands of years into the future and the brother is out hunting in the woods and he comes across something. He comes across a skin walker. He comes across a beast. He comes across something he doesn't know is physical or spiritual. He goes back to his Jesus camp and they go, we have no grid for that. Yeah. And then the brother leaves there thinking either having his faith rattled because he knows what he experienced or leaving there thinking he's a nut or he's crazy or he's being tricked or what is this thing. And so I think that this is a day, man, where the lid's coming off of a whole lot of things.

Yeah, I feel the same way. the way you're saying about the seal, it feels like there's a seal that's being broken open right now. And eight years ago when I started the show, I remember, I know I've told this on the show before, but I'll tell you in case you haven't heard it, I started the show and I was at church and I was just, it was a large church plant. We didn't have a building, but there was hundreds of people going. And so we just got done setting up the sanctuary. Then we're standing in a circle and I'm telling about the show that I started, right? And this young kid who was probably 19, 20 years old, he came from the Christian college and he was leading worship that Sunday.

He comes over and joins us and he hears the conversation. We're talking about Bigfoot. And he laughs at like a scoffing laugh at me and like in disgust. And he's like, wait, you actually believe in Bigfoot? And, you know, I wanted to punch him. And because the way he made me feel, but I just kind of grind my teeth and I just nod at him and I said, yeah, I believe in Bigfoot. And I just let it at that. But in the back of my mind, what I really wanted to say was, and please, anybody listening to this, don't misconstrue what I'm saying. I believe in God. I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God. However, this kid is literally at a church about to lead worship for a God that he never laid eyes on. And he, into the world that doesn't believe, they hear a young man who says,

he believes in God because he read about this God in a book and he says he feels him in his heart. But I'm crazy because there are people who say they actually saw Bigfoot. And that's what I wanted to say to him, but I didn't because I didn't know if he was ready for it. And I was already angry. But like that's the kind of the vibe that we were dealing with just eight years ago to now, I see people on Facebook that laughed contemplating the idea of Bigfoot. I'm like, I am so far beyond the idea of Bigfoot. But people are starting to catch. up and stuff and it's just been wild. With your ministry, let's just start with this. I want to know how you went from Pastor Troy to world traveler and saving these kids out of human trafficking.

And I'm sure there's that I don't know if you've had a lot of experiences with the supernatural realm before that, but I know for a fact when you start doing those kind of things, it kicks up around you. But was there a certain thing that happened that made it so clear for you to this is the direction you're going? Because from what it sounds like to me, at one point, the church was probably a smaller church, and you were just being a faithful minister of the word. And then there seems to be this shift somewhere where now you got OBDX.tv and you're traveling the world saving kids. You got people in governments contacting you about helping with these situations. like how did that all kind of come together unfold for you?

Obviously it must be a supernatural thing. Yeah. Well, I can tell you the main turning point happened. So I got saved in 86. I joined a Christian rock band, took off, got signed. I got signed with word records and they moved me over to Murr. And I did, I got to do some really cool stuff. And I mean, we were just radical Jesus freaks.

We were super young. I fell in love, married my bride. We've been married 36 years now. Awesome. So we started the food bank. Awesome. Through a miraculous chain of events, I ran into Pat Robertson,

the guy who started the 700 Club. And I actually worked at his calling center in Dallas. And so he asked me if I was a part of their big food outreach thing, and I helped all that. He asked me, hey, Troy, how much food could you give away if you gave it away? And I told him, I said, give me as much as you can. I'll give it all away. So he tested me out with a couple of big trucks, and then I started getting trucks.

So in 1990, we started the Open Door Food Bank. Wow. So what happens is, man, when you start doing the Food Bank and you're out there and you're with people every day and you're feeding those people, you come across demon-possessed people, you come across people that look at you and you hear a voice. People leave and weird things manifest. and then you go to your Jesus freak friends and are like, yeah, I don't know what to, you know, I don't know about that. Like, well, you will know if you get involved in this fight where we're out here, you know, involved in this.

And then you start getting, you start finding your tribe of people that do outreaches, they get involved in people's lives, all kinds of crazy supernatural things happen. And then how do you deal with that? How do you process it? How do you fight it? So in the midst of that, we were invited to actually through other churches and through other events, we were invited to help build food banks literally all over the world. And I said, yes. And so, man, we started taking off and going. I was in Costa Rica, Central America. And what we would

do is we would always build a food bank in vicinity of a trash dump because there were slaves. They were in a trash dump. I didn't know they were slaves. I didn't understand what the whole dynamics were. But I knew that there were really poor people there. We fed the people. I was in Costa Rica. We were feeding all this people. This woman walks up to me with these two little Nicaraguan refugee children. They're around 10. They're little bitty beam pose. They're dark, beautiful little girls with big black eyes. And this lady said, would you like to buy these two little girls? And I said, what? She goes, you can rent them for a day. But if I was you, I would just buy them and I would make movies. And man, when she said that, I looked at these little girls and I looked back

of her and I mean, they're just hobbits. You know, they're little kids. And I look back at her. And, of course, my first instinct was to run off screaming like my head was on fire. You know, I mean, you don't know how to handle a situation like that. And I didn't have any kind of grid for anything like that. But then all of a sudden, I felt the presence of the Lord. And I mean, I just, a grace came on. And I knew what to do. I knew how to say it.

I knew exactly how to handle this situation. And that did not come from me. It just met me right there in that trash dump in Madame Morris. And I went, yeah, dude, I'll buy them right now. How much? And she said, 60 bucks a piece. And I reached my back pocket. And I had like $80-something dollars and turned the guy next me and said, hey, give me some more money.

And so I bought these two little girls. I took them by the hand and I watched right out of the trash dump with them. And whenever we got out to the car, I met my wife. My wife came over. And I said, I just bought these two little girls for $120. Like she told me, she said I could make a movie out of them. She's like, oh, my God. And so we sit down and we start talking to these kids and, you know, hey, do you have family here?

Like, no. Man, they were starving. They were sick. all the things. We went and fed them. We got them hooked up with a pastor friend of mine who already had a home and those were the first two kids. After that, every single time that we were in a trash dump, I would just look and I would see kids that I could buy. And because I was a middle-aged white dude, they assumed that I was a sexual tourist. That tells you how big the industry is. That's how big it is, buddy. Whoa. That's how many Americans are going all over the world

molesting kids because everybody's addicted to pornography, which I'd like to talk to you about the power of pornography and what it does to you. Yeah. And the portal that pornography is. I'd like to talk to you about that because it truly is a portal. And so the bottom line is we just spontaneously rescued kids and then we started strategically rescuing kids. And then we decided we had to have our own homes.

We had to have our own schools. And we continued to do that. We got into deeper and deeper and deeper places. We got into fighting cartels. We got into fighting porno rings. We got into building our own security teams. We got into building, how do you get guns? How do you do this?

How do you do that? How do you get licensing for guns in this country and that country? How do you work with this general? How do you work with that general? Will they go in and engage those forces and will they bring those kids to us? Do we have compliance in this last year? We rescued our 11,000 kid. That's wild.

And we've raised them all. That's the other thing, too. We've raised them. You have houses all over the world, right? All over the world. So, yeah, we have 54 rescue centers with multiple, multiple houses all over. We have over 4,000 kids under our care right this second. Jeez.

We rescued a kid yesterday. Really? We rescued a 12-year-old little girl in Columbia. Wow. Yesterday. Holy cow. All right. So you're traveling the entire world doing this.

Yep. has there been opportunity to do it here state side or really exactly so if I can speak into that up until the Biden administration there was a lot of headway being made state statewide the day that President Biden went into office the day every single one of us that had FBI, CIA DOJ numbers they went gang gang gang gang gang gang the day Biden became president and some of those people we had worked with for 10 15 17 years never spoke to them again the day every single task force every single group that worked in the United States of America that was fighting for trafficking quit it on the day that he became office and then he opened up the borders that's an undeniable fact

you can read into that whatever you want to read into it but that is the reality of what happened. And so since we have a new administration, the borders are closed and there's a green light to fight it in a big way. Another thing that happened as well over the past four years is the compliance to take in kids in the United States of America for kids that have been trafficked is so astronomically high in dollar costs that nobody can afford to take. in trafficked kids. So it's like, okay, well, what do you need? Okay, well, you're going to have to pay for, you're going to have to pay for a full time. You're going to pay for all this lawyer team. You've got to pay for all this psychologist team. You got to pay for this, got to pay for that. How much is that?

Oh, it's about $280,000 a child a year. That's impossible. It's impossible. And the people that want to do that are a bunch of Yehus like me that have churches and we feed people and we love people and we take in kids. So they literally priced us out. It's a lot like the whole racket on adoption of kids. You know, hey, you want to adopt a baby in China, okay, that we stole from Christians. This one is really healthy. Okay, that's going to be $60,000 to $80,000 after you go. It's just a racket. It's trafficking in and of itself.

Legal trafficking. It's legal trafficking. Wow. And so the compliance on this side has been terrible. Another thing to happen is if you went after kids and if you pointed out the structure of what was taking place, okay, this kid came across the border and this child was here. while this child was here, they were checked in by our border patrol. She had a little tag on her that said, send me to 1313 Mockingbird Lane in Aurora, Colorado. And my daddy's name is Bill. Then you call up Bill on that

phone there and Bill. I got your kid here. Oh, yeah, that's my kid. Okay, well, we'll send them to you. Then we literally escorted that child to that trafficker. We paid for the entire nine yards. We turned them over. We never vetted Bill. Never. One single time said, thanks for bringing my kid. And then, boom, off they went and they murdered that child or they sexualized that child or they sold that child or something horrible. And we're missing over 300,000 children from right here in the United States of America that was under the control and the care of our government. And that's just over four years. That's not counting. That's not counting the eight million children a year, eight million that disappear.

That's not the kids that are in the system. There's eight million children disappear. What is that? All over the world, and I can tell you this, and this is what took me down the rabbit hoad of all things blurry and scary and weird and all that kind of stuff, because the kids in Mexico went through the same exact sex magic rituals as the kids in Nepal that we rescued, as the kids in India, as the kids in Uganda, as the kids in the Amazon. And it's like, this thing is truly global, truly.

it is it is next level global and it requires the blood of children for them for this next level luciferian globalistic it requires nephalum sex magic and it requires um it requires the building up of iniquity of iniquitous bloodlines and then you cash in on it so what they'll do is they'll they'll they'll take a girl abuse a snide out of her have her get pregnant, she has a baby, and they have a second bloodline, third, at about the fourth, at about the fourth generation, that they perform nephilum sex magic and blood ritual abuse on that fourth generation, it's a sorceress, powerful thing to them. And, you know, I didn't know anything about any of that. I didn't know. I mean, dude, again, I'm from Joshua, Texas. And I'm just a guy

that, hey, we have an opportunity to rescue kids, and we got an opportunity to do this. We got a opportunity to do that. And we started doing that. And we just started seeing it's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's like when we started coming across South Africans with the first name L. Really? All over the world. All over the world. And it's like if you come across a child or a young woman or a young man that like, what are you doing in Uganda? Why are you here? Well, somebody brought me here. I had to escape. something. And their first name is L. El Cyan. Can you think of any, can you think of any famous South Africans that their first name begins with E.L? Like Elon? Oh, shoot. Yeah. Yeah. That is all. I didn't even think about that. It's E.L. So it's like on Stranger Things. What's that chick's name?

11. Yeah. Exactly right. Everybody calls her L. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Now, now we're cooking. This whole thing, this whole thing is so real. And I've seen it all over the world. And I had nobody to talk to. Everybody's just like, what am I going to do? I mean, who am I going to go talk to you about this, this, and then all of a sudden, it's kind of like, man, you're tracking through the jungle and you got a machete.

And then all of a sudden you come into a clearing and boom, there's all these other people there and you find your tribe. Right? And so that's an important breakthrough whenever you start to do that. It's the sinew forming on the mighty army. You know, can these dry bones live? first thing that formed was the sine you. It was the connective pieces. It wasn't the heart. It wasn't a brain. It wasn't guts. It wasn't it was sinews. It was the first one. When you start to connect

within the body, no matter how weird that is, it's when you start to raise up an army. Yes. Yeah, I feel like the whole L connection and you're bringing up Elon, and you feel free to as far as you want to say with it, but I'll say, I don't know great details of his history, but I heard that it comes from a pretty dark past in itself. And do you, are you suggesting that Elon himself might be a victim of that stuff? Or is he a perpetrator? I don't want to put words in your mouth. Well, here's what I think. I think that I, I will know if Elon Musk is a fine person or if he's the most horrible person in the world. I say the same thing that you do. I go back and forth. Yeah. I just go, wow. He's a wow. He's certainly a wow. It's like,

wow, man. But there have been testimony from people who have been in this, who have been in this. And I can send you some. I can send you who have, who grew up in this, this South African. It's actually called the Hitler Project is what it's called. So you need to look up the Hitler project. You need to know what that's all about. And again, it's Nephilim. It is DNA manipulation. And the whole thing of end times DNA manipulation is just as it was in the days of Noah. So as it was in the days of Noah, like what was going on?

Well, the only person that came straight from Adam by the time that Moses, by the time that Noah was around was it says Noah was perfect in all of his generations. He was genetically perfect. He hadn't been contaminated by all these dark and demonic forces that manifested in all kinds of different ways. He was perfect, and he was generationally perfect. That's what the Word of God says. He was perfect in all the generations. And then it says, boom, this, this, that. Well, just exactly like that, there's this plan.

One of the ways that Nephilim manifests, as the giants that were in the days of Noah, the Nephilim, the Nephilim, the Crimea, those. kinds of things. They don't just manifest in the giant on the ridge or the manifest in the hairy creature in the woods or the skinwalker or whatever. They hide in God-King bloodlines. They hide in generation, generation, generation, in bloodlines. Now, there's always been a seed war. Genesis chapter three describes the seed war, the first of 400 messianic promises of King Jesus, Genesis chapter 3 is describing it's 315. There's always going to be a war between our seed and your seed. And then you go over into the book of Daniel.

He says, hey, the head is his gold, the shoulders are silver. It goes down to brass and it gets down to iron and clay mix. And it says this, whenever he interprets it in the book of Daniel, and their seed shall mix with yours. It's talking about at the end times, that mixing of the seed is going to be a big priority. So if it's transgender, if it's transhuman, it's all about trans, which is transgression. That's what it's all about. It's about, hey, we are not, the enemy, the supernatural enemy wants to be able to say, see, this is not God's creation.

This is our creation, and we own it. That's what they want to do. Wow. So you're talking about the hiding in the bloodlines. is that, Siri thinks I'm talking to Siri, geez, but hiding in the bloodlines, are you aware of the whole RH negative thought on the bloodlines? Tell me. Because my buddy Joel told me that I guess there was a study somewhere, and I don't know where this study comes from because I know Harvard's not doing this study, but the idea is that people who have RH negative bloodline, there's, I think that's 15% of the

population globally, but of that 50% of the population globally. But of that, 15%, I think he said 90 to 95% of those people are prone to have supernatural encounters and experiences. And there's something to do with the bloodline. I had a guy here in studio that has R.H. negative blood. He's a pastor in Middle Tennessee. And he had some wild things. He still does. He has wild things happening to him. And when people heard that episode, the next question is, well, I have RH negative. Does that mean I'm not a Christian? No. Like the definition of your faith is Romans 109. So it's like, I mean, I think sometimes people get very, I don't know, confused maybe.

Well, it brings questions. I mean, it does. And that doesn't mean there's not an answer. I want to ask you this, you know, if you've had heart failure and you have a pig valve, does that mean that you can't go to heaven? Right. Yeah. You know, so no.

Yeah. You certainly can, right? So I think that I think all of our bloodline, I mean, there's no telling. I mean, I'm a sixth generation Texan and I'm a 16th generation American. So there's no telling what's in my blood. I can tell you what's in all of our bloodline. Rapists, child molesters,

drunks, everything. All of that is in our bloodline. But the blood of Jesus conquers all of that. Amen. You know, there's an argument whenever the Bible talks about David's mighty men. And I mean, these guys were loyal to David. They were loyal to Yahweh,

that they had all kinds of stories. wild powers. Two of them are called lion-like men. And there was literally these hybrid people there that were lion-like. And it's like, well, the Bible says they're lying-like, but it doesn't actually mean it. That just is a metaphor for they were brave. No, I think they were probably had some form of mixture in them. Yeah. And which is common among all the Canaanites. It's common among all of those people that were there. During that time, going all the way over to Og, which is the very first Aug over up in Basham. The very first battle that Moses said, I love this, that Joshua said, okay, what is the problem?

Yeah, we can't go into the Promise Land because, you know, man, there's giants and there's all this kind of stuff. He says, okay, well, here's the deal. You're not going to get the benefit of the Promised Land, but you're still going to fight the battles. Let's go fight Og. And takes them up to Mount Hermann. And they all get in a big scrap.

And they have to fight, whether they want to or not. They have to actually do that. And then it specifically talks about Augs. bed. Why would the Bible, saying, by the way, these are the dimensions of the bed. Because his bed was so full of Nephilim sex magic that it was a portal that produced all of these hybrids. And his bed was literally the place of worship. I mean, that's, the Bible is telling us that. So I forgot what the question was. I don't either. But let's just keep it going. Because you keep bringing up the idea of Nephilim, sex, magic. I think that's a first for the show, that a term brought up on the show.

Well, it, again, and pornography is tied into it all the way. So, let's, so you want to talk about it. Absolutely. Okay. So the first time I ever came across to anything like this was in Costa Rica. And there was a witch that was called the Witch of the Peninsula. Now, her real name was, her real name was Roxanne. And I was young and we were crazy. And I would go around picking fights, you know, supernatural natural fights. I want to tell you, I don't do that anymore, by the way. I've had my head handed to me enough times to go, I didn't have authority in this situation, and I was out of jurisdiction, and you can have bad things happen to you outside of your authority and outside of your jurisdiction. And so, um, taking that to heart. Yeah, really and truly, you don't,

you don't need to go pick in a fight unless it's your territory. If it's your territory, man, you've fight it all day long. Go, no, devil. I'm going to tell you how this is going to go and you prophesy and you get in there and you got to be brave. But you go messing around with a bunch of stuff that you have no jurisdiction or kingdom calling or anointing for, you'll find out real quick that you're not near as tough as you think you are. And so, but I kind of went picking a fight because this lady was known for putting curses on somebody. They would die, all this kind of stuff. And I was like, well, let's go see her. And I did have jurisdiction there. We were rescuing kids there in that area and a lot of kids had disappeared to her, which I'm sure she

killed them. I'm sure she did or had somebody else kill them or drank their blood or whatever it was. And so we go stomping out there. To make a long story short, we were there and we were there all day long and all this crazy supernatural stuff happened. Insanity. She showed me her altar after this whole thing was over with. And her altar was a bet. And she called the God that she worshipped her lover. And she's like, tonight is the new moon.

It's the dark of the moon. My lover's going to show up here. And if he finds out that you are here, he's going to kill me. You have to go. And we're like, we're not leaving. And so we did this whole deal. Took her out with us.

Took her out with us. And she ended up getting saved and some really cool stuff happened. We had to move her to another country because she'd been involved in such terrible things and yada yada, but she's, I haven't seen her in 25 years. But with that said, she called, I saw her altar of worship, and it was indeed a bed. And she called that devil her lover. Well, once I saw that and once I was aware of that, I began to see that pattern all throughout the world.

And I began to see and begin to what, what is going on here? The deal is, man, there's a form of this magic that involves all of this sexual activity, going all the way back to Genesis chapter 6, when the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, they took under them wives, and there were giants in those days. There is a realm of angels, whether fallen or not fallen, a certain species of angels that are really believe, with all my heart, are so similar. well, let me say this. Not all angels have a true physicality.

There are like the seven spirits of God. There's different, we just think of the angelic realm or the demonic realm as just poofs somehow. But that's not true because there are some species of angels, rather fallen or not fallen, that have a true physicality about them. and they literally just, they portal from one place to another place or from one setting to another

setting, but they have a physicality about them. And they are so physical, brother, that they can reproduce and they are so similar to our DNA that we can reproduce. Wow. Now, I don't know if you've ever thought about, you know, how similar their DNA would have to be to us in order to reproduce. But in Genesis chapter 6, when the sons of God come into the daughters of men, and they produce these demonic hybrids, that means they were capable of reproducing. Well, you can't,

you can't reproduce a dog and a cat. So our DNA is super similar. The God's earthly family, and there's a realm in God's heavenly family that our DNA is similar. And I mean, that's the fact, Jack. Wow. So what you're describing here is, is interesting because one of the arguments that people will use against Genesis 6 on how you and I view it. As they'll say in Jude, I think it's verse 6, it talks about how the angels that left their first estate. Yeah. But transgress against humans are locked, locked away.

Well, that's assuming several things, if I can throw in there. Please. Okay. That's assuming that you think there's only, and that's assuming there was only one incursion. Sure. Yeah. Exactly. And there's been multiple incursions throughout multiple civil wars on the earth and in the heavens, multiple rebellions throughout millennia. It's happened over and over and over and over and over and over again. And some of it has actually been very, very, very strategic in that this, listen, we're not all going to go into covenant to rebel. We will go into covenant, but you

hold off and let's see what happens with this. And the reason why they do that and they don't just all go to outright war is because they believe their, I don't know, they're fell proof, or I should say, their clause in the contract is this, if they get sit to the pit of hill, if they do, and by the way, that's a jail for them, and you don't want to go there because they have dominion there. They have dominion, but they're subject to hell. They're subject, they cannot escape it, except for they believe they can. They actually believe in the, power of the jailbreak. Okay?

They believe in it. And they believe that there's a clause in the law. And ultimately, all of these demons, they're just a bunch of sniveling lawyers. You know, Jesus, are you here to torment us before our time? We're reading the clause right here. We know what our time. And they didn't even know what he was there doing. They were just like, oh, my gosh.

Well, what does the timeline say? I mean, they study the law. That's what they do. And not just the law that we operate the 613 Old Testament laws, but the laws and the ways of God. God has set things up with these cosmic rules. And they were supposed to glorify him in the midst of those rules, but they used their rules against him. So they believe this first group of people, if the book of Enoch is correct, and I want to say,

I do not believe Enoch is supposed to be in the Bible. It's not biblical canon, but it's a book that we should absolutely know. Like a commentary from somebody today. Absolutely, man. We should know it. And the writers of the Bible assumed you would know it. James quotes it, and Jude quotes it. James and Jude grew up in the house of King Jesus himself, and they knew Enick frontwards and backwards.

So it was part of the household of King Jesus. So with that said, they believe that if you get thrown into the pit, you can do pit magic. If there's enough iniquity, if there's enough interbred crossing, if there is enough we have taken dominion, if there is enough worship, there is a rule that says, they get to take back over their territory. And you're like, no, I don't think so. No, there is. Do you remember the witch at Indoor? He calls one up from the pit.

What is that pit magic? It's literally about a jailbreak. That's what that's about. That's interesting. And it requires the blood of children. It requires the sexuality of children. It requires horror. It requires all those things that's been going on with bell worship throughout the centuries.

CERN believes in the jailbreak. I promise. Wow. CERN believes 10, and they're all Luciferians. Yeah. Look at their opening show. Yeah. No, they believe in the jailbreak.

So you're like, well, that's crazy that they would think there's a jailbreak. There is a jailbreak. In Daniels chapter 9, the ground opens up and these quote-unquote orc armies come out. And they got tails of this. And they attack everybody. You even see the jailbreak again at the end of the millennial reign of Jesus. They get out for a season. Right?

Yeah. The jailbreak is real. So here's, and they're counting on it, and they're counting on their bloodline behind them to set things up so that they can break out. Apollyon is let out of hell in the book of Revelation. Apollo, I mean, the worst of the worst, he's let out. So here's King Jesus, and here's how cool he is. That brother, he gets on the cross, he dies, he lands in hell like Iron Man. Poof.

This guy's cool Iron Man landing. And he preaches for three days, not the gospel. of salvation. He preaches the gospel of the kingdom. Those are two different sermons, by the way. He didn't, when the Bible says he preached for three days, he's not trying to get them saved. And neither was Noah, by the way. Everybody's like, man, the brother preached for 120 years. He never saw anybody save must have been. No, no, he wasn't preaching salvation. He was preaching the kingdom and saying, I'm going to tell y'all how the cow ate the cabbage. And this is exactly the way it's going to go down. And there's nothing you can do about it. And he lays out the scriptures and says,

See, it was always right here, man. It was always there. And you never saw it. And they're sitting there. And to their horror in hell, he says, there is going to be a jailbreak, but it ain't going to be y'all. I'm taking these captive in the midst of Abraham's bosom, everyone who has ever been of faith, but they still cannot approach the father until the Messiah shows up.

I'm busting them out, and I'm leaving y'all here. It's literally a picture of baptism. You go into the water. The devil goes in with you. you come out, he stays. Pharaoh goes into the water with you, and you come out, he stays. Wow.

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Wow. So this is going deep, deep, deep, deep. Yeah, I didn't need too much. No, you're good, you're good. I'm trying to keep up. Like, there's so many stuff you're thrown out. And like, don't forget that. And then I forget it because you said something else.

I'm swan. No, you're good. But this is a whole, the Nephilim sex magic and what they believe. and I can totally see how it's infiltrated the porn industry to the trafficking industry. In fact, are you familiar with a YouTuber? He's really getting popular recently, Cap Chatfield. I don't know.

I think he's like an online church that he started and he's a Christian YouTuber. And he was, I think, doing a reaction video to somebody who was sitting in front of a camera. I think it was an African man who came from the porn industry. I guess he was funding it or directing or something. And he was on video saying that sometimes what you're seeing on camera is not a woman having sex, but it is actual a manifest a demon that people are watching. It's not even human. And when you're talking about this Nephilim sex magic,

that's where my mind's going. I'm just like, this is way deeper than I think. anybody has been able to comprehend to this point. We've actually spoken to girls that we have, and boys, that we pulled out of sex rings, that they said that when they got ready to film them, a guy would come in and he's a super good looking guy was super nice, and then he would change, he would morph, he would change into something horrible, and then rape them. And then that film is for like next level gazillionaires, next level people.

So that's that's that's sold at a high price. It's sold at a high price, exactly. Wow. And I mean, I've personally heard these kids say that. And when you hear, when you hear a 13-year-old little girl tell that story and you just heard that story in another country four months before that, it just makes you just go, wow, this thing is way bigger than I thought it was. Yeah.

It's a big part of it. Go into that a little bit because so I'm interested to hear how you view that because is it that you think that, there's like one principality that that's hovering over the industry? Or do you think that this is humans all over the world that are practicing the same sex magic and summoning different entities? Like how do you view it? Because for me, it's like it in one side of me feels like there's this like satanic network all over the world, which clearly there is. And the other part of me is wondering, is this one, like the Prince of Persia has a territory, right? So is this, is there a principality that this is its territory, the pornography industry, and it is global. And that's why

you see so much similarities all over the world. Well, it's mutually beneficial throughout the world for every demonic cause. So I think that, how I see that is, okay, like Porn Hub, has he they have a secret board yeah their board is secret they don't public they don't publicize who their board is and then uh the original guy and then there's another guy too that that founded it and somebody else somebody else and then it's got it's its main headquarters is in canada but it's got a it also has a headquarters in dallas fort worth and it's got one in you since got one in california yada yada yada make no mistake about it because because they're uploading they're having videos uploaded to them at such a rate

that you cannot imagine, that is not, they're not producing that. There are people all over the world that are just uploading these videos. And I heard recently that if you took one year of videos and you sit down and watch them hour to hour to hour of just free uploads, it would take 167 years to watch those videos that are uploaded on the porn hub in one year. That's wild. 67 years of nonstop pornography. Okay.

So there's the groomed world that has been brainwashed and groomed into this kind of sexuality and into the uploading of these things and participating in that. But way above that is a, was a whole other plan that says, we need these people to be a part of that. We need people exposed to this because there's a, a rule, and the rule is found in the book of Romans, not only those who do such things shall be judged, shall be judged, but those who are entertained by it. There's a rule in the spiritual realm that says this, yeah, well, I can't go to jail if I've never molested a child or if I've never abused a woman sexually or whatever, but if you're entertained by it, the demonic realm has the same access to you that they do to the actual, that they do to the same perpetrator. So if I, I'm sitting. And if I'm like, okay, I'm a dude, and it's part of my sexuality, and this is just who I am.

And hey, nobody's around. And you know what? I don't even want to look at men. I would like to just watch lesbian pornography. Let me tell you what you do. You open up a portal for same sex into your entire house. See, it's not the, it's not the, it's not the, the actions of the fathers that are passed down to the children. It's the iniquity of the fathers that are passed down to the children.

So if you watch pornography, you open up your entire house to a same-sex spirit. And like, how is it? I raised my kids in church. And now, you know, they're struggling with homosexuality. And they don't know they're because you, because you opened a portal, you were groomed. You started off. You were just going to watch something, whatever it was. And then they took you down a track and you thought it was you being really cool and being

really smart, but they knew exactly how to take you down that track. until finally, until finally, if you stay into it long enough, you'll start left after children. It is designed to bring you to a place that by the time that you are looking at children and by the time that you're looking at babies, you also know how to find them. So it also teaches you how to surf the dark web

and how to get darker and darker and darker. The whole thing is set up, and it's a recruiting place for these demonic forces. That's wild. That's wild. So with the human trafficking, the porn industry obviously is strongly tied to it. Yes. And I think what we're hitting right now is how deep the spiritual aspect of this is globally.

I like it's kind of, it's kind of blowing my mind. And I remember hearing you talk about this in different ways. But like the cartel is deeply involved in this. We often think about the cartel being involved in just, you know, the literal trafficking of people from one place to another. They're bad guys, whatever. But they're intimately involved in this side of the industry as well. 10,000 percent. For their protection, for their own prosperity.

You mean protection? You mean like because they're what they're selling to more leads? Yeah. Right. So, I mean, for their protection, meaning supernatural protection. So, you know, they kill so many kids. They go through so many rituals. They sell so many children. They do so many things. And then they power up. And they really and truly believe that they're being supernaturally protected. Okay. So how deep is this satanic agenda when it comes to everything we're discussing? It's in the cartel. It's in these witches that. you've run into. Like, this seems to be in corners of the earth that we just kind of overlook and don't even consider.

It's inseparable. It's totally inseparable. You can't. You can't. You can't. You need to understand. They are literally grooming the world to be recruited by them, to sign up with them. And they're doing it through everybody's sexuality, through the access of pornography.

not only that, not only that, but they are also funding all the trafficking of the world through pornography. It's highly monetized for every second that you spend watching images or watching video on any pornographic channel for every second, somebody is getting a kaching. Somebody is getting paid for that. And so they're like, well, man, I never bought anything. I've never done anything. Dude, you funded the crime scene. You have literally participated in some way the murder of a child that was murdered sexually for somebody else's pleasure. And you do it all day if you're addicted to pornography. Wow. You're like, well, I had no idea. I know. I know you had no idea. All you knew was that you should, you just shouldn't do it. And they were like, well, you know,

it's no big deal. I'm a dude. I'm a grown up. It's no big deal. It's a big deal. So if you're watching, if you're watching pornography, you're, you are either watching a crime scene or you're funding one. And again, then the devil has the legal right. The same as if you were in there and you were putting down money, he's got legal rights and he's coming after you. Wow. Wow.

I don't even know how to move on past this topic. Yeah, I would like for us to move on too, but I mean, that's... I, we're just going to make a hard left here. Well, let's, we can talk about, maybe this isn't so bad then. So we brought up the idea of the witchcraft and its involvement.

I know you've had through these travels your experiences with and run-ins with witches and stuff. I've heard you talk about the one that Astro projected to your, I guess, your home. I heard one that heard about the one that, I guess, cursed you and wanted you to die. Maybe we could talk about that one because I think you talked about how this witch appeared before his own counsel. and I think that might kind of because what I what I what I, one of my goals with the show these days is to be able to show people the complexity of the supernatural realm, you know? And that it goes way deeper than what we traditionally been taught.

And when I heard you talking about that situation, it's like, what do you mean the council of hell? Like what does that even mean? You know, because that's not talked about a whole lot. Well, divine counsels are talked about. in the Word of God all the way through the Word of God, but a lot of times we just think that there's a, I don't know, that it's a metaphor or we just think that, you know,

and but there are certainly, the Council of Hell is certainly a real deal where they get together and they strategize and high-level entities within a demonic realm. You know, they get together, they strategize, they talk this out, and they are actually, you can come before them. If you're high enough into sorcery

or if you're high enough, You can literally come before them and going dependent upon what kind of magic that you used to portal into them, which they will give you, they'll advise you, they'll tell you how to do this. They'll enslave you more so that you think that you're powerful and you get through this. They're just master manipulators, you know, they're just terrible. And so, but, yeah, I mean, we've ran into this thing over and over again. I would have been happy if it was never a part of my story, but it happens. Like, so what happens? We rescued a kid down in the Amazon and actually was in Chiapas.

It was in Chiapas, Mexico. And she's a beautiful little girl. She's killer cool, man. We just love her, sassy, funny, and turned us on to, hey, there's kids here, there's kids there, there's kids here. Like a scout. Yeah. Wow.

She's something else, man. And one of my pastors and one of my. My greatest, my bravest warriors is a girl by the name of Suonomy, Clara. She goes down there. Yeah, you have met. She's a soldier, man. She's cool. Are you allowed to tell her story of, I don't know if it's allowed to be public, what you guys told me at NRB.

I don't remember what we told you. Her plan that she had executed. Yeah, I don't know. We should do that. That's right. We'll let it go. I don't know. We should tell that.

Wow. She's a soldier. Yeah, she's really something. So she goes down there and what we did was we did a giant kids crusade for 8,000 children. So it was Christmas time. We gave away 8,000 toys. We fed everybody. And then in the midst of spending a whole day with these 8,000 children, we identified kids that need to be rescued.

And then we strategize. Who knows about these kids? And then we did our homework. And then you just got to do your diligence. Oh, these kids live over here and this is how they're trafficked and this is all this kind of stuff. And so we're like, wow. And we identified hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kids. And this little girl was helping us.

This first little girl we rescued, she was helping us. We bought her this princess dress, and she did the twirl and all the things. And she was just like, no, I know. I have friends. I have family. This, this, that. That are like, oh, okay. So we started working with all that and seeing what all we could do.

And I had a conversation with her. And I had it through Zoom. And I have a barn. I live in Glenrose, Texas, you know, where the dinosaur tracks are and all that. Oh, really? Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, that's where I live.

And I actually have dinosaur tracks in my creek bed. Really? On the back part of my, yeah, on the back part of my ranch. Anthropanthosaurus, buddy. I would love to see that one day. That's so cool. You need to come out, man. You'd be so welcome.

And so, man, I get on there, and I'm talking to her, and I'm telling her our lover, and I'm telling her I'm proud of her. Swanee is translating for me. I'm in my barn, mine in my own business. And so we get done, I pray for, I get done, and I close the door. I close the actual computer. I just close it. And I'm just sitting there. And while I'm sitting there, I've got like these old West saloons, these old West saloon doors at the bottom of my, underneath.

And at the bottom of my barn. And I hear those doors go like this. and I hear that. And so I know somebody's coming up the stairs. And then I hear these, you know, like Claude Hopper steps coming up the steps. And I'm standing up. I'm sitting up there my own business. I thought it was my son because my son lives in a place next door to me.

And I said, who's there? And when I said who's there, this voice said impenetrable. I mean, just an audio, in a literal voice said, Penetrable, but it was not anybody's voice that I recognize. This demon showed up and his name was impenetrable. And he came with the cartel that we were taken on. And the portal he used to find me and get to my house was Zoom. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. As a true story. Wow. Yeah. And I mean, you know, where do you go to school to learn this stuff? Troy Brewer's church. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. So you got to, you have to actually have a, tribe. You have to have people that are living this life and you've got to be able to talk and go,

this is what happened. And I've like, wow, I've never considered that Zoom would be, could be used like a portal because that is, that is a major, major, never considered it. And I'm like, oh my gosh. And this thing showed up and showed up in my barn. And my, my, my, the top part of my barn is where I do all of my sermons. It's where I do on my prayer time. It's where my, it's where my library is. And it's like a, it's like a sacred space. And so I jumped up and I ran over to the stairs and there was nobody there. And I was like, you are not impenetrable. I call you, and I just started calling him all kinds of things. I call you defeated. That's your new name. I call you shackled in the name of Jesus. No, sir. And like, and I didn't have another way of

escape. I might have just turned around and left the room, you know, because it was pretty that gum scary, but I had no other way of escape except for that. So, man, you better jump up and you better know who you are in Jesus and go, this might be a bad motor scooter in some realm. I mean, he just came all the way from the Guatemala, Mexico border into my house on my property. That is trespassing. How did you get here? Well, it was because of that Zoom call. Wow. And I'm like, wow, I stepped on his territory, so he stepped in mind. And then I'm like, I'm serving you notice, devil, you're done. I promise you, you have no idea. You should have never showed up here. at my house. That ability that we give and to be able to know our rights in the Word of God,

and it actually comes from literally our true identity in Christ. We are children of the most God. We're not just servants. We're family. You know, the servant might not have any authority in a situation like that. A friend might not have any authority in a situation like that. But a child, no, see, brother, we have to come before the Lord as children, but we come before the world is warriors. And we got to have the balance of those two things, no matter what it is we face. And so, man, I jumped up and I went, no, I'm going to tell you exactly how this is going to go down. And I want you to hear every single bit of it. Then I want you off of my property. Never manifested. There was never anything else. The manifest station was a voice telling me his name,

impenetrable. Came to announce. It was audible. It was completely audible. And loud. I mean, loud. Wow. You know, you talking about this and I wasn't planning on bringing this up, you have time for me to tell you a story? Sure. Okay. Tell me. So you brought the idea of, you know, people and the idea of working for entities and these entities using people. And it's an ongoing thing in my life right now. Three years ago, and I'm not going to tell the whole story is very long, but three years ago I was given a guy came on the show and told me a really dramatic story about his friend who was approached by an entity in, I believe, lucid dream state. And as a kid, he was recruited and he said yes, and he wound up working for this entity

and tried breaking off ties and that didn't go so well. And there was manifestations in this realm. he saw his friend literally grow physically in front of him at times. He saw his friend do Captain America Speed type maneuvers. And I heard this wild story, episode 692, if anybody's wondering. And I had to, he left me some breadcrumbs that don't usually happen. And I was thinking, I'm going to see, this is too crazy of a story. and he gave me these breadcrumbs. I'm going to follow him.

He's probably lying to me because some of the things he said to me were things I've heard on the show before. I just have a box to put him in. I had another guy on the show who was part of a 1% biker gang and he was recruited. He was taken out of his body

and in a similar story he was walking through a cave system and opens up into a big room. He heard a voice saying you're now entering a throne room and there's a man in a black three-piece suit recruiting him to work for him. He says no.

And he goes back into his body. And so I'm thinking this guy made a, up this story, you know, he heard the show and gave me a great story, but I got to prove this wrong. I spent three years. I couldn't prove it wrong. In fact, the more I dug on it, the more I was like, this is actually real. And how do I put, how do I fit that in a box? And so in that three-year process before I released the show, there were several people who would, not knowing that I have this story on hold, randomly contact me saying, I don't know how else to say this other than

I have experiences with like entities recruiting me in my dreams. And, and I've had people on the show like Vicky Joy Anderson talking about how the dream realm very real and we can unknowingly enter into covenants in the dream realm. And so she talks about those things. And I come out with that show. I finally, this past October come out of this show. It was, let's just say, I think it was, it was, it was, it was. It was the first week of October, September 29th. I preached for the first time in my life at my church.

That's a whole story. Pastor Larry Raglan called me out on over dinner. He's like, let me tell you something. You're only operating in half your anointing. Yes, God called you to podcast, but he also called you to preach and you're not doing it. I was like, he's like, yeah. Woo! You know?

But I called my pastor up. He got me scheduled. And the first sermon I preached up, because I really feel called to, not just the world that listens to a podcast, but the church as well, to realize how supernatural the existence we live in is. And so I figured, why not do Daniel 10? And I talked about Daniel 10 and how the spiritual warfare in that story didn't even exist until Daniel started praying. And I was trying to paint this picture of showing people literally our prayers are offensive weapons, not defensive. We're not meant to just be like, oh, something bad is happening,

let me pray about it. Let's go on the offense and take the fight to hell's gates. And I preached a sermon, and I thought I was equipping my, my small church for such things. And then literally two days later, we released this episode. And I had no idea what God was preparing me for through the preparation of a sermon was going to be so practical for me. I had so much spiritual warfare that kicked up that week, because this was not just a normal story that I was releasing. It was a hidden secret that I was revealing and the enemy did not like that. And the night, it was Monday night, Jack was here at the office and his office is on the other side of this wall. He was by himself. Jack, what was? It probably about 10.30 at nightish? Yeah. So the moment he hits

export on his mouse on his computer to export the video for the next day, he gets an email that comes in. this email was like in code, but it name dropped the entity that was in that episode coming out. And that entity, I've never heard the name before. I can't find it anywhere online. I found it once, but it wasn't referring to what we're talking about. And it basically had this whole, it wasn't very long email, but it was like in this code, it mentions the name of the entity,

and it says something about you follow the hole now the rabbit releases. But it wasn't just that. It was my schedule, my finances, his jack scheduling, people around me, everything was getting attacked. And I was like, all of a sudden I realized supernatural spiritual warfare has layers to it in itself. And I started seeing that. and to kind of bring it into this last seven days within the last seven days I don't remember when it was I interviewed a guy and on similar things he's had similar experiences and I brought up this email to him and it never it never crossed my mind but I read the email to him and he said to

me did you read that email out loud when you got it and I said yeah, I was trying to figure out what it meant. I read it over several times in my house. And he's like, that was a spell. And you read out, you literally read out loud. You dang, skippy. And I was like, I was throwing, I'm getting chills right now thinking about it. Like, I was thrown back in my seat.

I was like, in a way, I brought it on myself. Like, I read it, I read it not knowingly, but I read this spell out loud, which was probably part of this, I don't know, this process. And it's almost like, if you want to put it in a chanting way, like, almost like I chanted. I'm like, because I'm reading it over and I'm like, what does this mean? I'm sitting at my kitchen table reading it with my wife at 10.30 at night. Now this is a Thursday. We're two days into this process. But I'm sitting there like there's this demonic oppression over me. The depression was coming in. I felt like everything was just being destroyed.

My wife could see it on me. And it was a Thursday night, 10.30. I had just got done going over this email again, trying to figure out all this stuff. And then in the next room, on the other side of the dining room, is my daughter's room. And my daughter, she's whimpering. And she's supposed to be sleeping. And when she usually wakes up from a bad dream, she, she's a little Puerto Rican.

Like she's like fiery, you know? And so like she yells and all the craziness. But she's whimpering. We could barely hear her. And I told her, I told her that it's a good check on her. And so she goes in the room. And a few minutes later,

Lindsay's like, Tony. And I was like, I get up and I walk in. And she tells me that my daughter saw something standing in the middle, in the corner of the bedroom. And I don't want to really go into the details publicly

as to what she saw. but she remembers it to this day. And there's no doubt in my mind that it was all connected. And so what you were just talking about, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes ago after I went on this thing, like it hits very hard for me and true to me. And all the things that I've been kind of going in the direction of over the last two, three years with my discovery of certain people's experiences on the show, these, listen, as a Christian, I should have known better.

but for majority of my life, when somebody says, I had a dream, I was like, tell me another story, please, because I don't want to hear about your dream. I didn't really put a whole lot of weight into dreams. And looking back at the Bible, like, dreams are so important. Yeah. And now seeing it play out in my life of how other people's dreams and me receiving these stories and the fact that there are people out there working for entities, and these entities are giving them directives.

I didn't know how to make sense of it until just this last week, that more than likely there's somebody out there that was given the direction to send that email and started that whole process. The crazy thing about it is Jack's email is not public. It's not hard to figure out. But the fact that Jack is the only one who got an email, and we have several emails that are public, it was like, okay, this was on another level with Supernatural. spiritual warfare. We came against him. We prayed. I anointed the house, did a lot of, a lot of prayer.

And it was the first time that I think I've gotten, I don't know if I've ever gotten more energized in prayer. The next day, I took my son to school, came home, set my wife and daughter out. And I just went through my house for like two hours. And I was, my neighbor was mowing the lawn, thankfully, because I was in there yelling. I was just like, I didn't know what else to do, you know? I was angry. I was energized. But, you know, it really kind of woke me up to the fact that what I do is definitely going to require active participation in spiritual warfare. There you go. That's a really good conclusion to come to. The idea, man, that you can do what you do, be who you are, and you do not have to engage in all of this craziness is crazy.

So you have this, it could never be taboo. We've got to be able to dismiss any kind of taboo thing. My buddy Jamie's right here off the camera. If Jamie was to call me tomorrow and say, Troy, I had a choking demon show up in my room. Or Troy, I was out on the lake and I saw something came up out of the lake and I saw its face, which I've had a friend tell me that. We were out fishing and something came up that had a human face on it, man, and stared him in the eye and went back on it.

he totally freaked him out. He sold his boat over it. So it his boat. I'm like, and I'd get right back in that boat. I'd go right back out there and say, you know what? This is my territory now. I have this boat. I get to fish.

You know, you don't get to do that. And so that can't be taboo among us. If those things are like, look, I'm really embarrassed to tell you, but man, I saw some or I had something to happen or whatever. You live this life that you're living. I live this life that I'm living. there's nothing taboo about any of this stuff. I see stuff now that I go, whoa, because now things, it's one thing, there's lots of things that are there.

It's just like the presence of God. God is everywhere all the time, but he isn't manifest everywhere all the time. And so we've got to go out to the manifest presence of the Lord, right? And just exactly like that. There's weird stuff going on all the time, but you're just not aware of it. Once you begin to see this, you can't unsee it. And then it starts to manifest everywhere around you. And that can't be scary anymore.

You'll be like, yeah, well, I knew that was here. And I know that that's a part of the deal. But see, I'm here. And Christ in me is the hope of glory. And I will not be subject to this thing. I will not be your punk. I will not be your punk. I tell everybody, everybody asks, Pastor, you carry a gun?

I'm like, everywhere I go, I'm like, why? Are you afraid of getting shot? I'm not, I'm just afraid of not being able to shoot back. exactly. I want to be able to shoot back. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not going to go down from lack of shooting back. I promise you that, you know. Yeah, but I actually, I'm in the same boat. Let's put that way. I pretty much have something with me everywhere I am. And at least, at least one, sometimes more than one. So when I went to the South, about that, man. When I went to the South, I was introduced a whole new way of thinking, you know, I went from carrying, oh, I have my EDC to you have your EDC and what else? I'm like, oh, okay, what else?

I like that. Exactly. But, yeah, I mean, what you're saying is stuff is just kind of really like... Well, I bless you. I bless you. So look, that's normal Christianity 101 for people that are kingdom people. It's something shows up in their house and they're going to have to make a stand and they're going to have to run it off.

It's normal Christianity 101 for people of God to be engaged in things and it activate a level of warfare that they have not experienced before. Yeah. And this is why we have to be united in the body of Jesus. This is why you have to have friends and family and tribe. Because if you're out on your own, your life will just get your hat handed to you. You've got to be able to talk these things out to people. Me and Leanna had a demon show up and talk to us one time in Uganda.

Yeah. And again, it's a lot easier for Christians to swallow, oh, it was a demon than it is from them if you say, I saw a giant. Which we have to get to because people like literally kill me. I've seen a giant. Yeah. Finish your story, but I'm just saying, if you made this far, we will get to it, I swear. Honestly, do not care what anybody thinks about that. You know, I'll see stuff in the sky.

I saw a triangle one time in the sky that went right over me and my son Ben and super, super, super slow. And like, okay, well, okay, did that rock your world? No. Like, what was it? I have no idea what it was. I have no idea. I know who I am. And I don't know why that would happen.

I have some thoughts on it. But, yeah, this thing, we were. in Mexico. I'm sorry, we were in Uganda, East Africa. This is like 25 years ago. And I don't know if you've ever seen my wife, man, but she's so cool. And she and I have been dating since we were both teenagers. And she's cool. She's beautiful. She's the most selfless human being I've ever known. I've never known it. I've known one person more selfless than her, and that's her mom. And so her mom raised over 300 foster kids. Wow. 300. Yeah. Her mom is in her 80s and has a house of very high maintenance people to this day that are now adults.

And that's how she's going to go out, man. She just takes care of other people. She's just selfless. And so Leanna comes from that stock of godly people. I come from the other side of the tracks, right? And, man, we went, so we went to Uganda. We'd never known anybody that's gone to Uganda except our pastor, he'd been there. But, I mean, we didn't.

It wasn't like our people went to Uganda. And we were there. Uganda was at war. And to make a long story short, we'd been in this village all day. We've been doing a big outreach, a preach, we fed everybody, we loved everybody. It was beautiful. We came back. I'm standing at this guy's house. He doesn't have electricity on his house. I've got the cany. So we got candles lit. We're taking the mosquito net and we're putting it around the bed and we're getting ready to bed down. And Leanna's like, Troy. And I said, what? She said, Troy. And I said, Troy. And I saw she said, and she said, what? And I looked to see what she was looking at. And I looked to see what. And I looked to see what. And I was looking at. And I was looking at. And I was. And I was looking at. And I. And I was looking at. And I. And I look to see what. And I. And I look to see what. And I And there was this purple light about the size of a quarter. It is a dark purple light that is not producing any light. And it is just about, I don't know, I'd say about four feet off the ground, a purple, this stationary purple circle that is dark purple. And I was just, and I thought, what is that? And all of a sudden I could smell this smell like electricity. Like something had been burning, but it was a weird burning smell.

And I was like, what is that light? You know, what is that? And then, boom, this distortion sound came into the room. And it was this, it was horrible, this sound that came into the room. I jumped on the bed with Leanna. We literally had her backs up against the wall and we're looking at this thing at the foot of the bed. And it is screaming and it's talking in this language that I shouldn't have been able to understand it, but I did understand it. It was very dark speech, and it is the most angry, the most hateful thing I've ever heard anybody say.

It was so mad and it was so hateful. And what it said to me is, you're going to get murdered. But before you do, you're going to see your wife murdered and you're going to see this, this, that, that, that happened to her. You should have never came here. And, dude, we were both holding hands. And this spirit of fear, it was like somebody took a big syringe and injected. fear into me where I was paralyzed. I was so scared. And my wife was so scared. And we're just like, whoa, and it was screaming and hollering. And you will hear this said and you will see this happen.

It was making these profound, you know, these profound declarations to me. And it was like, I was totally powerless against it. And we were just like, Father in the name of Jesus, we rebuke this devil, we rebuke you, like, you go away, you leave us alone. Again, we were real young. And it wasn't budging. This was a bad motor scooter. This regional demon in western Uganda. And he's like, you will not. He said, he said, you will die on this trip and none of your ministry will be established.

None of it, none of it, none of it. And he said it in such a way was so powerful and so mean and so horrible. Like, whoa. And then all of a sudden, me and Liana at the same exact time, we quit trying to fight this thing. And we turned our faces to each other. and we got forehead to forehead, and I had my arm around her like this. I had my hand, I was stretching out, my hand up against this devil like this. And it was painful.

This thing was yelling at us so bad. And we just invited it. We started inviting the presence of the Lord to be made manifest in that room. We just started going, Jesus, we pray God that you would show up in this room. Lord, God, sir, we ask you to fill up this room. We ask you, Lord, God, sir, to make your presence real. And this thing started screaming out. stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it.

And then boom, it was gone. And, dude, we were exhausted and it was horrible. And so, Lena's like, well, I'm not going to go to sleep after that, man. I'm up. And I'm praying. And I'm walking the floor, man. She crashes. I'm walking the floor in the dark.

Electricity's off. There's no light in there. So I decided to go into the living room because I'm making so much racket praying. You know, I'm going to wake her up. I go into the living room. I mean, as I'm walking down the hall, I can see that there's a glow of a candle when I go in there. And the man of God whose house we were staying in, he was in there. And he's just sitting in there.

It's real quiet. And I sat down and I said, I said, what's going on? He said, what's going on with you? And I said, well, sir, to be very honest, something really terrible happened. And I told him what had happened. And then he said this, did it tell you you were going to die on this trip? And I said, yes. He said, did he tell you you were going to see your wife die and how helpless you were going to be?

And I said, yes. He said, did it tell you you were going to be beheaded and he was going to hold your head up? I said, yes. He said, yeah, that's the spirit that comes when the Muslim rebels are close. When the Muslim rebels are close, that's the spirit that comes with them. He goes, they're really close tonight. We just need to stay up and pray. That was a normal thing for him.

Whoa. That was a normal. Yeah, and that's what I was saying. I was saying, you got to be kidding me. We stood up and we prayed all not long. The next day, it was all over the newspapers. The Muslim rebels were within two miles of where we were at. And they murdered a bunch of people. And yeah, that was the spirit that actually comes with them.

So that was the next level witchcraft and worship that they're into. It's Muslim, but it's also mixed with the Africana thing, you know. And that's, I mean, that's how. how when they go out into war, they're going with a spirit that goes out before them. Whoa. Wow, wow, wow. So we should do that as well. Yeah. We should be kingdom people. We're sending us abound. Grace does much more abound. Our prayer and our confessions and our declarations should go before us. And there should be an angel that goes for the performance of the word. That's what that was. That was a demon that goes for the performance of the word. So there should be an

angel that goes for the performance of the word. That's wild. That's pretty cool, I mean? Yeah, it's cool. So, all right. What you just hit on is actually something that in the earlier years of the podcast, people would bring up. And I still usually had the same answer. So I don't get really caught up in, like, having right answers for people, you know? Yep.

I just, if I don't know, I don't know. That's good. you what I think you should do in certain situations, but, you know, like, I'm not going to tell you to go burn sage. I'm sorry. That's what you're looking for. It's not coming from me. But what you just said is that you guys were pleading the name of Jesus. It wasn't going anyway. And that is where people come to with me and they're like, it didn't stop it. And my next question to you was going to be, well, how do you, where's the, what's the next step? You bring the presence to the Lord. And how can they argue with the presence of the Lord? It's just like, I never considered it.

just exactly like, you know, in the book of Jude, it said that the archangel Michael did not bring a railing accusation. He just simply said to Satan, the Lord rebuk thee. He's like, I showed up with the presence of God. Argue with that. What are you going to do with that? So it's not about, do you have the magic words to say? Do you have this? I was completely overwhelmed, completely. I mean, I was scared. I was horrified. And I was like, no, in the name of Jesus, you got to go, you got to go. And it wasn't budging. And so we just, and I don't know how we even knew to do that. But man, I promised him, it was. It was a holy ghost, man. And me and Leanna, man, we put our foreheads to each other. And we just started saying,

Jesus, we invite you here to be manifest. We know that Christ in us is a hope of glory, be glorified. He started screaming, stop it, stop it, stop it, and gone. And that makes total sense. I mean, so you carry the presence of the Lord with you. Yeah. All right. So if somebody, say, I don't know, they're not walking with the Lord. They're not maybe naturally carrying that presence. They can, and they're rebuking the name of Jesus, and they come back and they say it doesn't work. You need to invite the presence of the Lord,

and you might get more than what you were thinking you're going to get at that point then. That's exactly right. Wow. You need to invite the presence of King Jesus into your life in every single way. Otherwise, all you got is another magic trick. Yeah, yeah.

You know? And there might even be a devil willing to play that game. Okay, I'll play that game with you, but he's just manipulating you. And then when I come back, you're going to feel powerless. Exactly right. And so, no man, the presence of Jesus is what it's all about. His kingdom come, his will being done on this earth as it is in heaven. Christ in you is a hope of glory.

Dude, you carry him with you everywhere. That's so encouraging, and I feel like you just equip so many people that have questions in that vein. I really feel like that what you just said and how you broke it down is going to really help a lot of people in these moments. Because, I mean, you know the show. Like, there's tons of people that listen to the show that have these experiences. And some of them invite it. Some of them like it.

And some of them can't figure out how to get it to stop, you know? And so I think what you just did is equip a lot of people, which is wild. And it really comes down to relationship with the Lord, carrying the presence of Lord with you, and knowing how powerful that is. and I don't know if even I can fully understand that power. I hope that one day as I progressed in my walk and I progress in this ministry that God's called me to and is expanding my calling recently,

I hope that my understanding and awareness of things like that become more natural because it's something that I never even considered suggesting. You know, the idea of inviting the presence of the Lord in these moments is something that it never crossed my mind until you said it. And so I really hope that as I, as I become more in depth in my ministry and where God's taken this whole thing, I hope that those are, those are tools, weapons in the tool belt that I can fall back on naturally.

And knowing how to find the presence of the Lord in anything is your key to to overcoming anything, to prospering in anything. Like, no, I know how to find the presence of the Lord. the presence of Lord. If I'm in an overwhelming situation, which I am all the time, man, you know, we have Troy Bird Ministries, Open Door Church, Answer International, the Open Door Food Bank, Redemption Ranch, Spark Worldwide. And I run all those things, man. I should put more on the screen behind you. That's just a lot. You know, it's a lot. It's so much. And so I find myself in overwhelming situations. I find myself dealing with people that I don't want to deal with situations I don't want to deal with and not knowing how to handle myself among

people and things like that. Okay, my my go-to is to be able to instantly find the presence of the Lord. Lord, I know that you're here. Jesus, I know that you're here with me. You're not going to leave me. You're not going to film me. Help me. What are you thinking about this? And dude, that kind of supernatural wisdom that comes with that where you just have a piece and you know how to, you know how to, like I knew how to handle that. The first time that I, those two little girls were brought to me, you can make a movie. I just, all of a sudden, just a simple solution to a complicated issue, which I heard that phrase in a dream one time.

Simple solutions to complicated issue. And that's become part of my language now because it comes from the Lord. I just like, okay, I know how to handle this. I know what to do with this. Next, go on. But I don't want to make, I don't want to make too big of a deal out of evil. And I want to throw this out there to you. And for all of us that are interested in overcoming these things,

And wow, I saw something, I heard something, I experienced something. Wow. Okay. There is nothing wrong whatsoever was saying. I saw a thing. I experienced the thing. And I can't just ignore this thing. No, no, no. That's good.

That's actually good. Even Moses, when Moses was sitting there, that, the burning bush burned for a long, long time. And finally, he said, I must now go see this. I'm sorry, but I got to look into this. So there's no telling how long it had been burning. He's just like, yeah, this is week four. The thing's still there.

That's interesting. I got to go. I just can't ignore it anymore. And that's one of the ways that God leads us is to give you something that you cannot ignore. Right? And so you turn. Okay. So that's one thing.

It's another thing, too. How we give dominion over those things is we just get impressed with how evil it is. And if you can just get unimpressed, really? You're so big and so tough. You show up to a little girl's crib. that's how big and how tough you are. Yeah, but she saw this thing and she remembers it to the day. Yeah, she didn't show up at, you know, Billy Graham's house.

It showed up at a little girl's house in her room. What does that tell you? I mean, what is I, if I was to say to you, man, I'm going to ask you this, okay? If I was to call you in a really scary voice and if I was going to say, bro, I'm going to to cut more to your house. It's going to be bad. Excuse me. I'm going to flicker your lights off and on.

What would you say to that? I mean... You'd be like, you're going to do what? Okay, what if I said... Okay, I'm coming to your house and there's nothing you can do about. I'm turning your freaking television on. My response would be this. It ain't that bad, but I promise if you come to my house, you ain't leaving.

Okay. That should be your attitude the same if something supernatural comes into your house. Like, it's really not that impressive to flicker somebody's light off and on. Yeah. Or to move something two inches. Yeah, yeah. Or to get a glimpse of something or to hear a knock in the woods. Yeah.

Why is that so impressive? Yeah. And, dude, we should be impressed and blown away with the power of King Jesus. Yeah. And just like, you know what, I'm not making a big deal out of you. I saw it. And there was a time in my life that would have been a big deal. I'm just going to make a big deal out of my, I'm going to get a trophy out of this.

I'm not just going to walk away. I'm going to engage, I'm going to beat this thing, and I'm hanging your head on a wall. That's a whole different attitude. Yeah. Can't be impressed with it. Yeah. It's graduating beyond the initial response of awe. Of like, oh, whoa.

Once you start walking your everyday life knowing the supernatural realm exists, it's operating around you, the awe and wonder is, like, this was this way. You brought up knocking on trees, right? So we know what that is. Bigfoot. So when I first started the show, I was mainly interested in topic of Bigfoot. Does it exist? Is it possible? Like, I didn't want to hear about UFOs. I was like, I'm not interested, you know? But as time went on, you start gathering more information, the reality of the idea of Bigfoot, it's just like, yeah, like, I'm not trying to sit here and talk to you about, is it possible to exist?

Like, that's, like, it's not even a question of my mind. Now we've graduated to the, you know, how, what is it? Are its friends and the other things that are accompanying it? Are they all the same thing? And it's like the complexity. It's like the idea of, oh, wow, that just happened. A light just went on or the drawer just opened. It's like, well, yeah.

Like, that's not anything to be woo about, you know, at some, when it first happens, sure. But you know what that is? That's what a fit thrower does, right? So it's throwing a fit. It's trying to find a way to break into your reality, to be made manifest. And if it throws such a fit that it can open a drawer or turn a light off and on or something like that, it's looking just, it stops. And it's like, will you get placed to that?

And if you get placed to it, you're going to give it right to do something else and something else and something else and something else. Like, do you not get place to it? Go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you just open my drawer? Excuse me. This is my house belongs to me and I belong to the Lord. This is a holy habitation you are not allowed here.

I rebuke you. You get off my property. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Go to hell. Go directly to hell. And Father, I want to invite you, sir, to release your angels to go to war and smite this thing that's trying to throw a fit. I worship you, Lord, and I ask you God for your amazing presence to be made manifest here.

And then here's what you got to do. Go about your business. and don't sit around and be traumatized over something that shouldn't traumatize you. We need to get the transcript of this recording and what you just said, we need to put out as its own little prayer. People are like, what should I do? Pray this. This is the attitude and vibe you need to go to the table with. It's just, instead of coming with a defeatist attitude, the battle's already won. You're a conqueror. You're not a little boy anymore. You know, you're a grown man. And that's something I've had to come to in my own realization. And, you know, man, we come across things that are scary with these kids.

I'm talking about scary. And there's sometimes I have to literally repent for being impressed with how evil that is. And like, Lord, I'm sorry. God, this one here is really tough for me, Lord, and I, you know, I don't know, God, this one's really, really, really rattled me. Okay, where do you go when you're rattled? You know, and you got to know, you got to already know how to walk that walk. Where do you go when you're rattled?

how do you find the presence of the Lord? Who are your friends? Do you have people that you can be real with? Like, I'm going to be real 24 hours. I have the gift of real. I operate in the supernatural gift of real and really encourage other people to operate in real. And what's real is we get rattled by some things that shouldn't rattle us. And we also get rattled with things that we can't help be rattled.

And that doesn't mean if I have, if I see. something in the woods. If I see a giant, if I see, if I hear a voice speak to me, the fact that I'm afraid does not mean that I do not have faith. Faith is not the absence of fear. I don't know where that comes from and people say, okay, if you feel, if you feel fear, that means you're defeated. No, that is a trick of the devil. You feel that? That means you're done. Oh, no, I'm done. No, dude, I'm scared all the time. I'm out of my tree. scared all the time. It doesn't mean that I don't have faith. It just means that I'm afraid. Like, okay, now that I felt that, but I'm not making a big deal, how I'm afraid. I have a greater

value, not for how I'm being terrorized, but I have a greater value for who God Almighty says I am and how I can walk with him. So to be able to, that's something you practice every single day of your life. That's not something that you just bust out during that situation. But I'm I want to tell you the idea that the devil will tell you because he's a liar, oh, you know you're afraid. That means you got no authority in this situation. You got just as much authority in a situation that you are afraid in as in a situation that you're not afraid of.

Your authority comes from the power in the presence of King Jesus and the Word of God and what he tells you. It has nothing to do with what you feel in that moment. Yeah. I mean, what you're saying here makes me feel like, I'm trying to think like, when Jesus was praying for any other option than going to the cross in that moment, was he fearful? It probably was.

Knowing what was coming. Of course. Of course. I mean, like, okay, well, there's a lot of people that will balk at that even watching us because they're like, well, Jesus never sin and being fearful is a sin. Okay, so let me tell you, let me tell you what sin is. Whatsoever is not a faith, right? That's what the Bible says sin is.

sin is any place where you dismiss your loyalty to the Lord. Okay? So if I'm fearful, but I'm still loyal to the Lord, I'm not sinning. And if the devil says, you're scared, I own you. Like, no, you do not. Jesus Christ is still resurrected from the dead. It's exactly like this. I promise you you can be a man and have sexuality without cheating on your wife.

You can. Like, well, I must be an adultererial because there has been times in my lives. I have felt this, dude, that's part of being a dude. You can't put, you can't become disloyal to your wife and to God because you feel something. You're still in covenant with them. And you're good and you're all right and everything's fine. The same exact way, man, with dealing with fearful things. Bouncing off that, I love the way this conversation is going.

This is just so freaking natural. My pastor brought up a good point just a couple weeks ago, the idea of temptation and how, Oh, the initial temptation is not sin. It's what you do with that temptation that can take you into sin. And just hearing him say that kind of like turned that switch in my brain. And it's just like, how many times do people wind up beating themselves up because they're being tempted? Like Jesus was tempted, you know? It's just like it's understanding the, I guess the proper, I guess having the proper lens for these kinds of things.

And all of a sudden you can start walking in that freedom that you're supposed to be walking in. And yeah, I don't know. No, that's great. No, man, I love that. Because listen, the sin is not that you came across something that rattled you. That's not the sin. The sin is when you build a secret life around it and you leave God out the window. So, again, if I see something, if I see something that is really scary, or if I have a dream,

or if I get transported somewhere or if something happens. The sin is not that, whoa, after it's over with, you're rattled because you don't know how to handle it. The sin is when you're like, when you begin to lose faith and go, the Lord has abandoned me, I'm not, I'm not strong, I'm weak. I was powerless against this. And you begin to get offended at God and you begin to build a secret life around this thing. And you dive off into bad stuff. Oh, my gosh, you're hitting it so hard because that's, I went. through that season. Before I was podcasting, this was my introduction to all this stuff. I was driving

truck and I was doing delivery to this one place and this guy was telling me his life story. And it got to up to modern times. And I said, what's next for your life? It was very dramatic. And he said, I'm probably going to kill myself. And my gut reaction, I was probably two, three years into like my true walk with the Lord. I used my parents for spiritual crush as most of my life. And I said to him, you don't want to do that. God's got plans for your life. And he started treating me like he never heard the word God before. He invites me to his house to, to, to, um, talked about God that Saturday. Turns out he's a Satanist. He lured me to his house. There's a three-hour ordeal. Many people, many people say this story sounds a lot like Mario

Murillo's story. Yeah, which is invitation. Yeah, very similar. Yeah. And so I go through that experience and he, he tells me that he wants me to take these books because he pretended to become a Christian. And I had no gauge for this. And so I said, I'll take the books out of your house because he wanted me to take these state taintic books out of his house. When you receive a gift, is covenant. And I did. I took him out of the house and I called my pastor, ask if I threw him in the dumpster at the church. He said, yeah, but even my pastor wasn't well versed in this stuff because he said there was no real power in the books. I was like, well, I still don't want to take him to the house, you know? So cutting to the chase here, I went to, I would get up in the morning at like, you know,

I think I started work around 6 o'clock in the morning. And I would get up around 4 or 5 o'clock in morning. It's probably about 4 o'clock in the morning. I didn't have kids and I would just read my word. And just this was where I was at my life where I was just all I wanted to do was read my Bible. I listened to preaching during a day driving truck. That's all I wanted to do. I just talked about God all the time and I felt out of place when I was around Christians who didn't want to talk about God. Like I didn't want to talk about anything else. And over months, I started after that experience, I started coming downstairs, reading the word, and not feeling the Holy Spirit's presence like I was used to. Let me back up here and just say, when I left that guy's house, I felt like I had something with me.

I also felt like I left part of me there. I felt really off. I didn't understand it. I had no gauge. And for months goes by, and I'm every morning waking up, and I'm just not feeling the Holy Spirit speak to me like I once did. I'm like, what is going on? And I'd never identified it with that guy because as far as I knew,

this guy gave his life to the Lord that day. Yeah, so bad. Yeah. So bad. And so, like, I remember one morning I went downstairs and fully expecting not to hear from the Holy Spirit again. Because I went from, like,

I felt like I just like, like, Jesus. And he's like, what's up, man? You know, that's how I felt. Yeah. To I'm just like in a desert spiritually. I'm like, where? are you, you know? And I never gave up my faith in Christ, but that morning after I didn't feel the Holy Spirit speaking to me, I closed my Bible and I just knew, it wasn't like a conscious decision,

but I knew I was not waking up the next day to come down and read my word. And I was like, if you're not going to meet me, I don't know what I did wrong. But if you're not going to meet me, I'm just going to sleep in. I could use some extra sleep. And man, I, it's, It drives me nuts that whenever I talk about this because I just didn't, I just didn't know. I felt abandoned, you know? And so like I always, whenever I talk about this, I always say I never like walked away from my faith in Christ. I just was very confused as to why he was choosing to ignore me, you know? And so that started a season of my life where a very dry season of my life into podcasting.

So like the Holy Spirit spoke to me while I was driving the truck, called me into podcasting. And I was like, you're back. And then you're gone. And I was just like, what is going on? And so when I first started the show, like, I was in this spiritual desert. And God used this podcast and the people I'm talking to, whether they were Christians or New Ages or I've had witches that I've talked to. And like, it was an experiential show, but through these people's experiences, it's like God started educating me and showing me the realities

of the way this world operates. And it brought me full circle to where we're at now today, where I don't even know how to define this show. Like, it's definitely not what it used to be. And I'm not going to apologize for that. It's called the confessional. So I can define it however I want, you know. But I don't know, I really can't remember exactly. what you just said that triggered that other than I went through a period of that where like I just kind of just um I had this like spiritual separation almost you know hey guys this episode is brought to you by murkmerch.com go ahead and get your Merkel media apparel at murkmerch.com we got some new hoodies up there on the store go ahead and check it out cop years before it's too late also mercilfilms.com is

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do over and over again is one of the ways that humanity works

and the devil understands this is that if we if we have a traumatic event

depending upon the condition of our souls and how well verse we are in self-awareness, what will happen is we will come to a conclusion about God

and we will begin to construct our faith and adjust our faith about a wrong conclusion about God. And that's why this dude is a ministry. That's why you talking to people about Bigfoot and you're talking to them about skinwalkers or UFOs or whatever it is. That's why that this is a ministry because it's very important to say, okay, number one, I believe you. Okay, that's number one. Number two, you're not a nut. And number three, Jesus is still resurrected from the dead. You and I discussed this when we were at the NRB. When I come across something that I don't know what to do with, I don't have to understand the ins and outs of it. It might be fun to look into it and try and figure it out, but I don't have to know the ends and outs of it. What I have to know, what I have to know is,

is it of God's camp or is it not of God's camp? And am I still of God's camp or am I not of God's camp? If I can define those two things, okay, that is definitely not the Lord, or even if the Lord shows up in a really weird way that I've never recognized before. And like, no, that was God's camp. And I didn't even know there was a place for that in Christianity. I didn't have any idea of that. You know, we talk about numbers and we talk about how the Lord speaks through the heavens and how God Almighty deals with us in timeframes. You know, I have a book on how God travels time and how he works through all that kind of stuff. And you go, I didn't even know that that was a thing.

Okay, I just need to know is at God's camp, and I need to know, am I still in God's camp? If I can know those two things, I won't build a construct that will interfere between me and the Lord. And that's where sin is, because then I accuse him just like the devil. You said you show up and you didn't show up. You said you'd help me and you didn't. You said you'd meet me and you didn't. God is just as present when we don't know he is there as when we know he is there. He's just as present, but we just go through stuff.

That's powerful. That's powerful. So tell me about the giant. Oh, my gosh. One thing, man, you run me. Listen, I'm like a legit guy, right? So I get to speak to Congress. I pastor a large church.

All these kinds of things. Then I get with you for one second and go, I saw a giant. Was that true, though? That was the first time you ever talked about publicly ever. Wow. And the guys that saw with me were there with me, and I was like, they'll verify this. But dude, that's, before I tell you that, before I tell you that, that's how normal it is for us to see crazy things. I got to run around with you more because I'm serious.

Like if I had seen what you saw, that's the story I lead with in every conversation at the grocery store. Hey, ma'am, how are you? I saw a giant in Mexico. You're like, I mean, that's wild stuff. You know what? It was wild, but it didn't really seem that wild dust because, again, we've been doing this for 30 years. And so we've seen redonculus things, right? So we go down to Chiapas, Mexico.

We're rescuing kids down there. I mentioned that that one that portled through Zoom from Chiapas, right? So there's all kinds of next level demonic witchcraft. Next level witchcraft down there. And next level manifests things. And so things that manifest that you go, whoa, what is that? I never even heard of like a hybrid spider-type person. And that's why all these kids say, you know,

man, she looks like a spider. She has many arms. Well, of course, if you go into India, you know, you got all kinds of gods and deities that have multiple arms and all kinds of things. But like, whoa, that's wild. Also, the largest Mayan pyramid on the planet Earth is in Chiapas, and we are rescuing children in the shadow of that thing.

You can literally see the pyramid from my ranch. Wow. From your ranch? Yeah, we have a redemption ranch there. Wow. And so, and again, we bought turf. bought physical dirt. We brought in a ministry that's been there for nine generations. We turned the whole thing over there so that we would have authority within that region. Okay? You don't just come in there

swinging the American flag. You come in there in the authority of the kingdom and you need to know how to operate in authority. So with all that said, we did all this. And at our hotel, there's this big giant rock that has a giant footprint in it. And it's monstrous. I went down there with Brian Schwartz. He's an NFL football player. He wears a size seven. 17 shoe, okay? This thing was twice the size of his shoe. And it's like, whoa. So, and then the people that own the pyramid, they have all, they've got all these

stories of these giants. And like, I hear that you guys got giants down here and are like, yeah, we do. And like, okay, well, would they come up out of the ground? Are they going there like, yeah, they live in the ground? And they're like, but that's not scary as the ones that come out of the sky. And I'm like, the ones that come out of the sky. And they said, yes. And they come down and they look like, they look like stars and constantly.

And they manifest into what look like people. And they threaten us if we don't give them things. So it's like, I know that there's a species of angels that's called the host of heaven. The host of heaven is the constellations. So you can see that whenever Jesus was born, that the shepherds are out in the field. The angels came down as the host of heaven. Well, they were used to seeing those constellations every single night. And they were used to seeing Virgo the Virgin, a clump of stars that is a virgin that has a seed in her,

which is impossible. And then from there, Libra, he's going to be a redeemer. From there, Scorpio, he's going to take on death. From there, Sagittarius, he's going to raise from the dead. And it ends at the line of the tribe of Judah, Leo, which is the ecliptic. And so I'm into all that, right? So they knew that they knew the story in the heavens. The angels that showed up were as those constellations.

They're also known as the stars of God. They're also known as the stars. And so they have those. Well, I can guarantee you some of those have fallen. Some of those have rebelled. and they show up down there on top of the stars come down, they manifest, and all kinds of craziness happens. So I was really more interested in that, and then I was the whole giant thing, except for

these kids had said that some of their friends had been offered to the giant. And that was their words, yeah, he's not alive anymore. He was offered to the giant. They weren't kidding. No. So it's like, I don't know if that's like a Yellowstone thing. Well, we took them to the train station. It's just kind of a metaphor.

He was offered to the giant. And we were all just listening and just going, huh. So with that said, we went to this prayer mountain. And all of the apostles and pastors within the region, we have a network of over 700 pastors and 700 churches because we put our kids, if we can put them into redemption ranch, we do that. And if we can't, because they can't live there within that region,

and they go to these pastor's houses and these pastors take them in. And so it's been a big challenge, man, to take care of these kids. And so we go to this prayer mountain. I'm in prayer. All these guys are praying for us. And dude, when they pray, they get down.

They throw down. It's not going to be a one-minute prayer. You're still going to be sitting in that chair an hour later on top of this beautiful mountain while everyone, one after another after another, man, they pray for you. They pour oil on you. And they're all praying for me.

I'm there with my son, Ben. I'm there with my executive pastor, Jerry Sellers, who runs Redemption Ranch out in West Texas. And we're just sitting there, man, and they're all praying in Spanish. And so I'm just kind of, yes, Lord, yes, Lord. I'm just kind of getting into the presence of Lord, yes, Lord. And God, I lift up these men of God. And I'm just praying like that.

And I look, there's this giant valley between us. And then there's a ridge, and across from us, it's a little bit higher than us. And at the top of the ridge is this one big giant tree. And it's a big old tree. And I'm sitting there, man, and I'm looking up at that tree. beautiful mountains. And so while they're praying, I'm just kind of doing the little angle, I'm rocking back and forth and they're praying for me.

And then, man, I look back at that tree and something is just coming up and standing next to that tree. And I see it come up. And at first, I thought somehow it was a tree that was falling over, that it was falling over towards me somehow because it rose. And I just in my mind, I was trying to figure out how it worked. And I just thought, whoa, man, that's something going to fall off that cliff up there. but it stopped and it froze and it was erect right next to the tree.

And as they're praying for me, man, when the tree would move, it wouldn't move. And I was like, that ain't the wind blowing that tree. And then I saw these arms come down beside it and he goes like this and puts his arms back and it still kind of looks like a tree. Whoa. But I'm like, that ain't a tree. And then the more I sit there and looked at it while these guys are praying for me. So I'm like five minutes goes by, 10 minutes goes by and I'm thinking and I'm praying in the spirit. it and I'm thinking about this thing, Lord, what am I looking at? What is this? And he said, he's spying out your prayer.

I'm like, he is spying out his prayer. And I'm like, somehow that thing can see us praying over here and that thing can hear what it is that we're saying. And I was like, I was just sitting there and I thought, I want to test this out. And I'm staring at this thing. Now I've got a good beat on it. And I mean, I'm really getting details out of it now. Even though it's pretty far away, I'm getting good details out of it and all this. And I said, I said, I know you can hear me, you devil. And I just, I just, I just. just said it in that tone of voice. And when I did, he put his arms out like this and he started rocking back and forth. Like, whoa. Like you were challenging him. Yeah. Wow. And I was like, whoa. And I said, I know you can hear me. And I said, here's what I'm going to tell you, we're coming into this region. I told Brother Impenetrable to go to hell. And I wasn't teasing. I'm back. I'm down here. I don't know what you are or how you work, but I'll tell you who I am, and I'll tell you how I work.

I am a child of the most high God, and God Almighty has commissioned me to rescue kids here, and we are going to rescue so many kids and there's nothing you can do about it. And, I mean, it was just rocking back and forth, like, bowing up. And I told my son, I said, Ben, he said, what? And I said, turn around and tell me what you see up there. And Ben turned around, he was staring.

You know, Ben's 34 now, you know, and he was staring. And he's just so, he's so chill. man. He just pulls out a chair and he sits down and goes, a freaking giant. I said, yep, I see him too. And I've been standing there. He's like, wow. And he's like smiling. And I'm like, it can hear us talking. And Ben's like, yeah, I say, it can hear us. I said, Ben, what's Jesus going to do in this thing? Ben's like, Dad, we're going to rescue so many kids. The Lord's going to do great things. And dude, it's literally doing this. And I told, I said, hey, Jerry, said what? I said, don't panic. Don't freak out. Because these guys are still praying for us.

I said, turn around and tell me what you see at the top of that ridge. And Jerry turned around like, where? I said, next to that big tree. And he goes, it's a giant. And he just started screaming. All the people stop praying. They're like, what? And they're like, he got a day.

You know, like, hey. And then the thing just, he kind of goes like this. And he just turns around and walks over the ridge. Whoa. And I said, I said, do you guys see giants around here? And they're like, yeah, there's one that lives on that mountain right over there. Wow. So, yeah, we just, like, did you all see the giant?

Like, we did see it. it's what you're going to do? Are you going to alter your whole life because you saw something you never saw before or something people are never going to believe or any of those things? Like, no, if they're in the Bible, what are you going to say about that? If these are, as it was in the days of Noah, in the days of Noah, there were giants. And if the kids that you rescue say that their friends were offered to a giant. and then if you have a giant track at the hotel that you're staying at,

and then if you see one and stare at it for 20 or 30 minutes, you might not just be okay with believing that there's a giant. Yeah. That's wild. I mean, I've heard legends of giants that, you know, I've ever heard that legends of giants in Louisiana deep in the swamps. I have to. And, you know, I'm trying to rack my brain as you're saying this.

I do not think I've ever had anybody in 700. Maybe Jack knows. I don't even know how many episodes we have at this point. Like, I don't think I've ever had anybody say that they've actually seen a giant. I mean, I've heard people say, I heard somebody say that they heard a giant. But to hear from the person, you know. I give you my word before the Lord. I have seen a giant.

I don't know I don't have to say this, but I'll say it anyways. I believe you. I know you know I believe you. I was sitting a giant, and I wasn't looking for one. You know, I was looking to bring the authority of the Word of God into a region where children are executed. And it's spiritual warfare. It showed up. It showed up to me. And that's his problem.

Yeah. That's his problem. What are you so worried about that? You've got to come up here and watch a bunch of dudes pray. What are you so worried about? Now, here's a deal. You think, okay, well, if it's demonic, well, then it's got to be a poof. No, it doesn't.

It can have true physicality. So, and I'll finish up with this and tell you this, man, that if you just look at the different kinds of angels within the Bible. So let's just go through something. We're talking different species. Okay. So, you know, if you're going to list animals, it's kingdom phylum class order, family, genius, and species. That's how everything on the planet Earth is listed. It starts off the kingdom and then it goes all the way to species.

On the planet Earth, there is certified somewhere around. 17 million species of things. That includes plant life, animal life, fish life, whatever life, but it's suspected that there's somewhere around 50 million species that have not yet been mapped out. That's insects in the Amazon. That's the fish in the depths of the sea. It's all of those different kinds of things. So we have no way mapped out even the species that's on the planet earth. The planet earth is very limited. I want to tell you, in God's celestial family and what he created in the quote-unquote spiritual realm, I guarantee you there's more than 50 million species. You know, we think of, we've been taught in the Western world to think, well, it's all angels and

demons. Everything is angels and demons. And in one respect, that is true. There are those that are loyal to the king and there are those who are not loyal to the king. But in the midst of that, there's tons of species. So let's just go through some of them. So there is, you have warring angels, right? And then you have messenger. angels. So you got the Michael class and then you have the Gabriel class. Those are two completely different classes. It doesn't mean that they look anything alike. Just we have made up in our, in the construct of our own minds and also within the boundaries of our own religion and how it's been presented to us that, well, we think they're probably a little bit more than just

little white Caucasian fat babies with wings. Okay. There is the living ones. And the ones that have wings and they have four faces and they have eyes all over them, right? Then they have eyes in front, eyes on the side and eyes in the back, and they can see God in the present, in the future, and also in the past. And they see something new about God in the past, present, future. Those are some kind of time angels. And they say, holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty who was and who is and who is yet to come. They see through all realms of time and they have eyes all around them. That's not like Gabriel. That is a completely different species of angels than like Michael.

There is in the Bible, the Bible says in the book of Daniel, and I saw a holy watcher coming down from heaven. And by the way, his job was to lay the axe at some giant tree that was a portal between the supernatural and the natural. And have you ever seen all these things of these ancient giant trees all over? Yeah, that's where my way. Yeah. That's in the book of Daniel. And it says a watcher did that. It's the jack and the beanstalk.

That's where the jack and the beanstalk comes from. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So look it up. But that angel that comes down and says a holy watcher. Now, we know from the book of Enoch that the watchers were the ones that did this entire, this rebellion against God, which is not Satan's rebellion.

That's a completely different rebellion. These guys are a completely different class of angels. even from Satan, even from Lucifer, even from him. But they didn't all fall. Because in the book of Daniel, a holy one comes down and lays the axe at the root of the tree and leaves the roots there and says no more access. Right. Now, he does that in terms and in respect of what's going on with Nebuchadnezzar in him transing into a brute beast. He transes.

He becomes something just like Nimrod did. He trans. That's what he does. But in the context of that, there's a whole other prophetic layer saying that they had to cut down these giant trees so that these in one realm no longer had access to the other rim. And it was a watcher that did that. Yeah. Okay. So there's watchers, right?

There is a class of angels in the book of Daniel that whenever it says the one said to the other one, if you look that word one up, is the word palmini, P-A-L-M-O-I. And it means a counter. It means a numberer. So there's classes of angels. All they do is number everything. The wonderful number of secrets is one of the names for them. So you glorify Jesus and you tell the secrets through how you number things.

Well, that should be, I don't want to deter off of where you're going because I love this. But that should definitely be like confirmation to a lot. of the things you do with, like even with the numbers that prophesied, the book that you have out here. Like, I mean, is that, is that, does that play, does that angel play a role in? Big time. He, he weighs everything, he or the class of angels that he represents. They weigh everything, they measure everything, and they number everything, and they all glorify God with it. Yeah, how about that?

I mean, it's a big deal. Yeah. And it's like, well, yeah, but the Bible says that all the people that stand before the throne is innumerable. innumerable is also a number. It's a supernatural number. You know that the name Jesus, one of my favorite, I always write down names for Jesus. And like, what are you talking about?

Just titles for him that I love with all my heart. But several times he's known as the one. In the book of right, you know, or I saw one altogether beautiful. Or the one upon the horse had many thrones. I had many crowns. The one up on the throne. He's called the one.

Like, I am the alpha number. I'm the one. I love that. That blows my mind. But my point is that there's lots of different classes of angels. There's the sons of God. There's the hosts of heaven, the stars of God, the spirit of God. You could argue the 24 elders is a class of angels.

So it's like they're a celestial family. You know, everybody's like, I think they're Jews. Why would you think that? Why would you say that? I think they might be Jews and Gentiles. Okay. well, you're welcome to speculate like that and that's fun, but don't make a doctrine out of it because you don't know who they are. I think it's got to be the 12 disciples.

Again, it's fun to speculate, but it's just speculation. That's all that it is. So I'm saying that within the angelic realm, both fallen and unfallen is tons of classes of beings. And some of them require chariots. Why would an angel need a chariot? What is that all about? Why wouldn't an angel need a chariot? Because it's physical, and it transfers from one realm to another realm.

It has a physicality about it, and we think they're all just poofs and they're not. Why wouldn't an angel need a chariot? I mean, so do you make the connection that type of angel? Is that similar to what we're dealing with today with this whole ET and UFOs? Yeah. in cooperation with human beings because they get way ahead of the rest of the human race in technology and knowledge and power and all those kinds of things. And so people partner with these things.

So I think that a lot of the whole UFO scenario, some of it is purely supernatural, but a lot of it is human beings cooperating with these things in another way. Yeah. Summining them. Got it. Calling them in. Exactly right. No good.

No good. No good. No way no. No. No, no, no, no. And why in the world does all these abductions, which, again, that's the Genesis 6 of it, abductions, and why in the world are they terrorized? And why does it always have to do with something reproductive?

Because it's all a part of the seed war. Do you think that... That's why? I don't know if I've ever considered this. Do you think that Genesis 6, that whole incident, do you think that the fallen angels could have abducted the women? Yeah. I never considered that before. I think that it is the first case of human trafficking that's ever been recorded.

And the whole human trafficking agenda is their agenda. Whoa. And so they made deals with their kings. They made deals with their dads. They made deals with all this. And they sold those girls into slavery. And they used their reproductive ordens or their reproductive ordens to, to introduce a new bloodline in Y'allway's face and say there's nothing you can do about it. So you're like, well, why didn't God stop that?

And I want to tell you why? Can I tell you why he didn't stop it? Because he didn't see it. Now that is going to cause a problem with people. Like, God sees everything. God sees everything, but he doesn't legally see everything. And this is a really big thing. So these guys are called watchers, right?

The reason why they're called watchers is because their job is to watch and to report legally. So God literally set it up. He said, within the angelic and celestial realm, I'm going to set up watchers. But he also set up rules that they didn't count on, where he could legally know about it, even though he hadn't legally laid eyes on it. Again, they're all a bunch of lawyers. Is this, if there's spilled blood and you don't report it to me,

their blood will cry out to me from the ground. So it's just like in Sodom and Gomorrah, God Almighty shows up and he tells Abraham, I must go and see for myself if what I have heard is true about Sodom and Gamora. Well, why can't he just see from heaven? He's God Almighty. He's omnipresent and he's omnipresent, and he's omnipot. potent. But he has set things up for the sake of redemption, by the way, he has set things up with all of

these legal rules and parameters that they use against him, that these demons use against him, and these things that we would call demons, these fallen angels of whatever species they are. And so, yeah, he has to physically, sometimes he hears first, and then he has the legal right to go and see when his watchers literally lying to him. Wow. So it's like in natural terms, it's like you have a corporation and the boss is upstairs in his office

and has managers who are in charge of the floor and letting him know how the operation is going today. And he finds out his managers have been lying to him so that they could take an extra 30 minutes on lunch. And trying to take over the company. Yeah. Yeah.

And so he's like, I'm hearing some rumblings. Let me walk downstairs and take him. take a look for myself. That's exactly what happens when God Almighty shows up to Abraham. And he says, when you go there, if you find, you know, 10 people, will you still destroy? He's like, no, I won't. But he's got to go see because up until that time, he didn't have a legal right. Even though he is God Almighty, he didn't have a legal right because he had pronounced that jurisdiction to somebody who was supposed to be loyal to him. And so I don't know exactly how it all works, but I know that much. And I think it's interesting that those beings are called watchers.

That's what they're called. You know, there's so many times that, you know, I talk about things and I don't think about the base level of it, you know, and just the base level of why are they called watchers and the way you broke it down just now. That's, that's incredible to me. When Adam sinned, he fell subject. He was no longer just this great relationship between him and the father, his father and son. He became subject to the Watcher Regional Dominion. And that's why God showed up and said, Adam, where are you? Where'd you go?

What happened? And he's like, okay. And then when Kane killed Abel, he showed up. He didn't say, I saw what happened. He said, your brother's blood cried out to me from the ground. And I showed up. And he's like, whoa, what's this whole component of God not seeing this? It's because of the legality of this thing.

But he knows how to deal with it. He does. and he is dealing with it. And he's still after humanity. He's still after us. He's still saving people. In the midst of all this mess, man, he's still the most awesome person ever.

And he'll come back soon. He'll be done with all this. I'm down. I'm down, brother. I heard a, let's just call it a theory. And if you support it, I'd love to hear it. Because I heard it through the grapevine.

I've never had anybody talk to me about it. The idea that when we die, or not, I don't want to say when we die, say when we're raptured, that there's going to be a season of preparation where we're going to be trained to come back as part of God's army. And I'm just like, I've never heard that before, but if you're going to tell me I got like a Nephilim blaster, and I get to come back and do some crazy stuff

in an immortal perfect body, I'm down for that action. Like, that sounds fun to me. Isn't that crazy? Isn't it crazy that when Jesus comes back, he shares his most finest moment with us? Yeah. I mean, his finest hour, his finest moment in the history of Jesus, if you can say that, if you can wrap your head around that.

Not that he's created at all, but I'm just going to say in his, and he's like, I'm not doing this by myself. I'm doing this with y'all. We're all going to ride together on this thing. And it is blood to the horse's brow. It's not pretend. He's not coming back to be nice at all. And I love that. And I'm like, Lord, show up and wreck this.

this whole thing. Wreck the pornography, wreck the witchcraft, wreck the seed war, the Nephilim agenda, the Luciferian, the global, the whole thing, wreck it and be glorified. And then he's like, now that I've done that, see, this is amazing because there's another class of angels that's called the Sons of God, a whole other class of angel, right? And they're very connected to the watchers. They're very, very, very connected. Someone argued they're the same.

I'm not sure that they are the same. I think that they're two different species. But the sons of God had inherited all of these things. Now, and they have been replaced. The sons of God looked upon the daughters of men and saw that they were fair. Genesis chapter 6. Okay. Well, now, as many as are led by the spirit, he gives us power to be called the sons of God.

All that dominion that he trusted them with is being turned over to us. And he literally calls us the sons of God, which is a slap in a face to the end. Introducers of the Seed War. I bet they're not happy about that. They don't like that. They don't like that. So I would just say, repent and find a way to be set free of any form of pornography whatsoever.

Reconvenate your life, reconcrate your life and say, I cannot, because I have sexuality, does not mean I can have this in my life. Because it is a recruiter, it is a portal to get into your life, to have you involved in something that is not the will of God. I would say also, too, just because you see something scary that rattles you does not mean you have to change your faith. I would say, because you were really scared or terrified, does not mean that you do not have faith and it doesn't mean that you don't have authority.

It means that you have emotions and you simply got to bishop your soul with your spirit and go, okay, dude, it scared the fire out of me and I didn't like that, but I'm still awesome. Spirit of the Lord is still with me. And the Word of God hasn't gone anywhere. I would say in the midst of all the things that are coming and the scary things that are coming upon this world, be determined that your heart will not fail you for fear when you see the things that are coming up on the world, as the Word of God says. I would say, do not be shocked that there's new revelation, but because the seals are being broken in the last days. and I would say

buckle up, buttercup because this day is not for whamps. I agree. I feel like you just broke

some seals today. I really do. I just feel like some of the things you talked about it was just I don't know, very revelatory

and for me personally and I would imagine for other people as well. But you kind of really rewired my brain on some things. today. I'm going to have to listen back to this one. I rarely listen back to my own show because I find myself annoying. So like, but I'm going to have to listen back to this one. I do. Are you like that too?

No, very much like that. I hate listening to myself. I think I sound and look. It is not the way I sound in look. I'll give you an example. Just yesterday, I came in here. It was about 8 o'clock in the morning. And just for whatever reason, I stumbled on on my YouTube channel and I clicked the join, but I was looking for something. And I think I was looking to see what we were offering. has tears. And there's a video of me introducing the memberships on the YouTube channel. I hit play. And some of the words I was saying, I was like, I wanted to smack myself. I totally get it. I spent the next two hours redoing the video. And I went home and told my wife, I said, hey, you know the video you hated? And she's like, yeah, I said, I finally changed it because I hated

too. Totally get it. Oh, gosh. I can't stand myself. Thanks so much for having me on, man. Thank you. I've always wanted to be on this show. I hope it's not the last time. When I talk all over the world, it's not this, you know. Although this is a big part of who we are and what we do, it's really fun, man, to be able to just have a place to freely go, I got all this stuff, and I want to throw out there. I see it all over the world, and it's crazy. And it's really good.

I hope that something I said today will cause people to love Jesus in a whole new way and walk this walk, man. Yeah. Yeah. And next time I have you back, I got to have the prison story, you know? Well, I'll bring Jamie with me. Because Jamie was actually there. Yeah.

Jamie and I, we were done. We were toast. 170 guys. They locked us in a Colombian prison in a one single room with 170 guys. They closed the door behind us. We're talking about Colombian Amazon prison. And they said, kill them. And those guys all rose up to kill us.

And God Almighty miraculously saved us. And it was not going to be, it was not going to be a fond death either. Listen, I don't know how I'm going to go out, but like that is not the way. No. That's not good. I promise you. And King Jesus miraculously saved us. I mean, the Spirit of God hit the room, and it was so crazy.

And what we also found out is the three missionaries that had come into that prison several months before us, they locked the room. They put them in there and locked and shut the door behind them and said, kill them. And, man, they did. So you were just going to be another number. Yeah, we were just another number. And there were three guys before us, and nobody told us any of this. I wouldn't have gone in, had we known any of this, me and Jamie. And Jamie's a ninth degree black belt.

And I don't care how many black degree belts you have. Yeah, he's nine. Nine? That just sunk in. Nine? Yeah, he's nine. Wow. He's nine.

Yeah, he's friends with Chuck Norris and runs around Chuck Norris. Wow. He and I've been friends since we're both little boys. Wow. I am also in peak physical condition, as you can clearly see. Like 10th degree black belt. Yeah. Chuck Norse everything he knows.

I carry weapons. That's what I guess I'd too. That guy's legitimately tough. And dude, he was like, we got to get into a corner and fight out of this corner. Oh. And, you know, at the end of it, because after the power got hit, and I'll tell you the whole story some other time, man. And I'll do that actually with Jamie. That'd be great.

And, but, dude, afterwards, we were literally hugging these guys because these guys got set free. The demon that was over them was rebuked and run off And the warden was demonic and all this crazy stuff And this guy literally had this shank, man And whenever Jamie, because we hugged all 170 guys Who was going to murder us and we prayed over them And we believed Jesus and this guy held this thing right up to his ribs Right up to his gut and said, this is what I was going to kill you with

Is that a true story Jamie Cashin? Yeah Wow Wow So, yeah, so we saw the Lord deliver us in a crazy call. It's amazing. Yeah, we're still recording. Well, on top of that, when we go scuba dive.

Yeah. I've sold him death kind of. Yeah, we had a... Yeah, we'll talk about near-death experiences when we can come back because we've been doing, we've been living this life for 30 years. I've seen machine guns pulled on my wife. Machine guns pulled on my wife. We all got jerked out of a van in Chihuahua, Mexico by guys with black masks and cartel guys. and we were out on a deserted highway in the middle of desert.

My kids were with me. Your son told me how you guys were kidnapped in India. Yeah, we were kidnapped in India. My son and I were. Man, you don't mess with this stuff without stuff happening. Wow. You don't mess with this stuff. And we've had friends that have not escaped.

You know, we've had people murdered and those kinds of things. And I mean, we bear the scars of this thing. This thing is real. But I can tell you this, man, God is good. And there was there was a, the, The thing that Jamie was just referring about, again, we'll tell all these stories in detail next time, but we were scuba diving. A literal arm of a hurricane came in that was as far south as Belize, but it came in where we were scuba diving. He's a master scuba diver.

It has close to 500 dives. And we're scuba diving, man, and this thing came in. And when I came up, I got out of the boat, which because everybody got carried off, this incredible current came in. and I got carried off by this current. And I couldn't even hold on to anything. And so I'm like, okay, I'm done. I do what I was supposed to do. I lit up.

I went up to the top. Guys saw me. And when I climbed in, I saw this wall of water coming. And I mean, literally a wall of water from the ground to the top of the sky was coming. And I could see it. And I was like, there is no way. There's no way to tell all the guys underwater. And how many of us was there, Jamie?

There were seven of us. I had no way to tell them, come up quickly. We got to get in this boat. we got to get to the island before this thing hits. And I got in, I got actually in the boat and got my... Hold on a say, you're talking about Indonesia? No. Oh, no.

Yeah, we were down by Cozumel. Okay. Yeah. I got my, I got my, I got my tank off. And just about the time I got, just about the time I got my tank off, it hit. And it was a hurricane blast. I have no idea how, I'm telling you that it went from no... Ocean, you know, the ocean looks like glass to unbelievable swells, monster swells.

And we, he turned the, and everything in the boat went into the water. Everything. Every tank. Everything that was in the boat went into the water because that boat lifted up out of the water became vertical like this and then miraculously came back down. But everything except for me and the driver went out. And we were in a washing machine for about 45 minutes. Whoa.

And those guys were still under the water. water. And so, man, it took us all the way around. It's a long story, but when we were out there, when we, it took us all the way around the other side of the island where the cruise ships are. And I, I prayed and I told the guy, I said, we got to go back out there. And he said, no, we can't. We got to, we got to go get the Mexican, who was it? Yeah, if it's really powerful about it, have an ear to stay. And I'm not to see an ear here. is there was a guy that was going, it's a drift dive.

So it's a stone wall. And it's very, very powerful. If you don't hunt your mask, it's gone. Hey, can you hear him on this? Okay. So this guy had a flashlight, and he was fighting to get the flash. He said, dude, you're not going to need that. This is so fast.

If you see something, the current is so strong, you can't go back and see it. You got a microphone right there. You can't go back and see it. And he's like, no, no, I want the light. I'm going to see lobster. I said, bro, it won't matter because you're so far past it. You're not going to be able to see it again. And I'll argue, literally.

And he took it anyway and I said, it's going to create a drag. Because anything is not streamlined, it creates a drag. So in the process of this, we're in the water for 48 minutes. And when we surfaced, which is exactly what you're supposed to do, like Troy did, when you lose your group, you go straight up to find the boat. We did. There was no boat. It was pitch black. And this guy has this flashlight.

And I again say, dude, no one's going to see that. There's eight foot swells. The boats are gone. So we go back down and then on a 48th minute come back up. and he's frantically shining it and we hear a motor. And I hear him say, Jamie, Jamie, I see the light. Or I hear something say, I see the light. Just the godly aspect of that.

When we got out of the storm and we went back out into that storm to go see if we can find them. And, Nig, now they're all separated. Everybody is separated. Everybody is. A mama in her, I think she was like 16. 13 years old. She was 13. They were holding on to each other.

in the midst of that washing machine of that hurricane, and they still got separated. And so when we found the mama, which, again, while we're out there and we're in the pitch dark and we're in that storm, I look and I see a light far off. And I told him, I said, I just saw a light. And I honestly, I didn't know if it's natural, if it's supernatural, if it's supernatural, I was just head this way. On the, on the way there, the first person I came across was Jamie. And then he got in the water.

He said, where is everybody? He said, they're all out here. And he's like, oh, my goodness. Like, yeah. And then going towards that lot, we came across the next person. And then a few minutes later, we come across the next person. We came across all nine people going towards that light. It's crazy. Jeez. And he didn't want to go. I did not want to go back. It was a physical fight. He didn't go back to say. I had to make him go back out there for us. He's like, they're gone. Like, you'd never go find them. I'm not going back out in that storm. In the natural, that makes perfect sense. Yeah. But you're rocking with a guy who operates within the supernatural and believes that his God is all protecting. It's crazy.

That's wild. Well, we didn't even talk about numbers that prophesied, but you have a book and people will put the link in the description and people will, you have plenty of books actually, but this is your latest book. And, yeah, Troy, this has been out of this world. Thanks, man. Well, it's been a great joy for me too. Let's do this again. Man, all right Who

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