The Confessionals - 748: Alien Pregnancy Rituals

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

In episode 748: Alien Pregnancy Rituals, Tony is joined by researcher Nathaniel Gillis, who peels back the layers on a phenomenon darker and more complex than traditional demonology. Rooted in his own childhood encounter with a ghostly little girl, Nathaniel’s journey has taken him deep into the realms of incubi case studies, ritual magick, and the disturbing mechanics of hybridization. He presents a chilling theory: certain entities are not just spiritual forces—they are part of a hidden, embodied species that self-replicates by inseminating human women, implanting their consciousness into fetuses, and harvesting them through a ritualistic cycle that mirrors ancient necromantic practices.As the conversation unfolds, Nathaniel connects these practices to historical demonology, the UFO phenomenon, and even modern government experiments involving meta-materials and ritual conjuring. With accounts of dream-state inseminations, sigils surfacing on skin, and beings who wear the faces of lost loved ones, this episode explores how the lines between magic, technology, and theology are far more blurred than we’ve been led to believe. Because according to Nathaniel, these aren’t just hauntings or possessions—they’re calculated, ritualistic acts of spiritual parasitism. And they’re not coming. They’re already here.Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] GillisA Moment Called ManMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - Walking In My SkinYouTube | Apple | Spotify

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Got spursus, got spursing, got spursing, when he's got to blow his head off. Pulling at my leg. And I look over, and there are two. It's pushed, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move, because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals Podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you've a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is contact at theconfessionalspodcast.com. That's contact at the confessionalspodcast.com.

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really, truly hope you enjoy this. Let's get to it right now. All right, today we have Nathaniel Gillis on the show. Nathaniel, how are you, sir? Doing good, brother. It's great to be on with you, and I'm excited to dive into the work. Thank you for having me. Listen, man, I'm glad to have you here. And for full transparency, this is the third time I tried introducing you because I was trying to recreate another introduction you told me about from somebody else to show that they totally mispronounced your name, Nathaniel, and your last name. And then I started doing it just by accident. So, Here we are, Nathaniel Gillis on the Confessionals. So I'm glad you here, man.

You are somebody that was put on my radar by Fringe, and she's becoming a very common person that points people in my direction, which is great to have an ally like that because she's very plugged into the UFO disclosure world. And traditionally, I had not been, but I am becoming more so because of her. And she pushes things my way, and, hey, have you seen this? Have you read this? And we now have a chat thread of me, her, and my wife. And we're just kind of going ham on things.

She's like, bah, ba, bah, bah, bah, bah, and stuff. So it's kind of fun. But she's the one who tipped you off to me. And I'm certainly glad she did because I reached out to you. And I said, hey, would you want to come on the show? You said, yes. I had no idea what we were going to talk about. Last night you gave me some, it's just some little tiny pieces.

And we'll figure it out from there. And that's what we're doing today. Sounds good. So if you could, though, let's start off with introducing you to the audience. Who are you? What's your background? And how did you get here today on the Confessionals podcast? So the other kids in the world can figure out how they can get on the show too.

Yeah, right? For all those who are trying to hack the system here. No. Yeah, well, a personal note about friends. She's an amazing, amazing researcher. And I'm a huge fan of her work. And I'm honored that she believed in me enough to connect us. And so I could be a new friend.

So first of all, for those who don't know me in my work, my name is Nathaniel Gillis. I'm mostly known as a demonologist, although I'm kind of distancing myself from that title just because of the work I'm in. My research now is centered around EQI case studies through history and how it plays into the hybridization program going on right now,

which is hybridology, all of that stuff. So other than that, I encountered the phenomenon at first when I was eight years old. My parents had moved into a new house. The first entity that manifested to me was the full-bodied apparition of a little girl. And so once I moved into the home, everything happened, disembodied voices, shadow figures, like, I guess clouds of darkness, just darker than night of ringing the corner of my room. So that was my very first confrontation with whatever this intelligence is and then going through church into my dad's

ministry, I realize that this is something that I want to do. I really believe that this is going to be the forefront of the battle that we will fight here shortly. So that's my origin story. That's who I am and that's what my research is on. That's interesting. So your dad's ministry that he has, I'm assuming he's still a pastor. So what was the frame of reference at that first experience for you? I know you and I were talking earlier about just like theological backgrounds of what we were raised in. Is that your, is that, was your dad's kind of understanding of this realm at all? Or did you talk to him about it?

Or was it one of those? Because I mean, sometimes P.Ks are just like, it's a totally different environment at home than what it is, you know, at the pulpit on Sunday. Yeah, so during that time, I mean, I did talk to him about it, but the stuff I was experiencing was strictly me. You know, I mean, there were a couple other things that my father encountered in the basement of the home. That was more so him just being watched and like this pervasive presence in the room. But it was solely me, you know, whenever I would be alone at nighttime, I could literally almost time to the very minute where when everybody was asleep, there would be kind of this, you know, how it is at nighttime. the family's resting. It's just kind of this cold silence drifts over the home. And I can hear anything and everything. And so that's when I would hear the wooden floors in the living room

begin to creak as if somebody was walking on them. And I could watch them kind of displace something displacing its way all the way into the hallway to the entrance of my room. Then it would stop. And then you would, I would feel this, the only way I can explain is a consciousness, invade everything. It made me feel as small as a bug in its presence. But that's why I started having these questions, you know, like, what are they? What is this? Why me?

Why am I going into looping nightmares where people are, you can edit this out if you'd like, because I don't want to get you demonetized, but they're hurting themselves in these nightmares. Then I would wake up, and then there was almost this pulsating presence in the room that was feeding off of my fear. And so growing up in church, going to a church school, I'm cross-referencing my experiences with my youth pastor, my dad, and other ministers in the church. And it was almost like getting shunned, right? It wasn't just the implication that I was whining. It was that if I'm telling the truth, I'm crazy.

You know, it's that kind of scenario. And that's why I knew I wasn't crazy. And I knew that what I was experiencing, and it's possible that others are experiencing the same thing. And so that's when I really poured myself into the literature and started doing in-home investigations and then going back to my library, comparing what I experienced in the homes to what I know to exist in the biblical literature of demology. And it's been a fascinating journey. You know, sometimes it's been extremely dark, but I think that is necessary. You know, that one theologians said the reason I smell like smoke is because I just know of hell, right? been under the fires. So that's pretty much what it is. That's interesting, man. When you were kind of

opening up here, I didn't understand what you said. You're talking about hybridization, but did you give like an acronym of something? No, I, well, there's a field that I'm created called necronetics, which is what I really believe is going on in hybridization. But my research is on incubi literature. Oh, Incubite. Okay. Yeah, how it ties into hybridization and modernity. So let's talk about that because I'm really interested in hearing your perspective. So like, you know, former demonologist now I don't want to be associated with that because my research is going in this direction. So let's talk about where the direction of your research is going and how I'm assuming it's not that, you know, the demonology is put it out of the shelf because

it's not valid. It's just not the direction you've gone. Right. So, Are we talking about a hybridization program? Is this where maybe the disclosure and the UAP and ET phenomenon is coming in to play? And is this happening through like a dream state or are they being abducted? What are your thoughts on this? I think it's all the above. You know, early on in my Incubi research, I believe that these were horns and hooves as I was tall growing up. And yet, when I got to the literature, it was like there are common elements in the case studies that do not align with that theory.

Number one, spirits do not have seen. That was, again, who was a father Shinich Gerardio of Amino as a Franciscan priest, and he was going into homes within an hour of these beings manifesting and collecting cement samples left by the alleged spirit, which is not happening. And so that's why I had such a distrust with a lot of researchers. You know, they go in full horns and hollubs, not realizing that there are case studies that we have to address before we formulate our hypothesis. So the question that Monagieu Summers and Fraterson and Strata, I was asking is, number one, how are they producing seed if they're spirit?

Number two, why is that, and this gets very dark very quickly, but just tell everybody where the research is at. Why is it that the seed looks like it came from recently deceased males? Why is it that it seems like what they were doing is Necomancy is performing ritualistic magic in order to reanimate corpses to harvest the seed from them, using that to inseminate a woman? And so these were the questions that confounded early demonologists,

not just that, but why is it that in these incubated cases of sort, which are self-replication, why is it that the same case as you had the presence of semen and the presence of sigils in the same case. What's going on here? So if it was as easy enough as simply saying, okay, an entity is trying to replicate, it's not. It's not the case, you know, I mean, spirits can't do that. So there has to be another species out there that we're confusing, you know. All right, so, because, I mean, you're saying so much that I got to stop you because

I need to make sure we dissect this a little bit. So my mind is going to, because I mean, obviously, like with what you're saying, and if spirits don't have seed, copy that. So my mind easily can go many different directions, you know, Genesis 6 and even down to angels looking like humans and taking on human form and all that. is there a suggestion, though, outside of that, is there a suggestion that because there's sigils on the scene, because there's semen of recently deceased males,

is this something that maybe there is a human element of like satanic, the R word, I'll say it and Jack can mute it a few ones, I guess. Like, you know, sexual assault, let's put that way. Satanic sexual assault rituals. 100%. Okay, so are we talking about that? Are we talking about a combination that different cases present different situations?

No, so with respect to eat at my cases, there is a common pathology, and it is one of what I've called self-replication of species, where an entity is trying to impregnate the woman. It's a self-replication, and there are a series of symptoms that lead me to the idea. that this is a singular ritual. Number one, it's the inducing of the experience or into a dreamlike state check all throughout Niki by literature. It's the impregnation of the female by an entity, check. And it's the appearance of the entity in the image of a lover or a former husband all throughout the literature.

And at the very end of it, it is the impregnation of another species into the host, which is the woman. And so when you get down to it, you have a series of common, what I call common pathological elements that all formulate, to my mind, a singular transfer of consciousness into the fetus. And it is a ritual of magic. It's ritual magic. Yeah. So I need a clear answer on this as clear as you can make it. When it comes to this situation, are we talking about... some kind of entity literally, and before you answer, let me just finish this, literally manifesting physically to do this, or is it inhabiting somebody who's becoming possessed by

demonic force to push itself through that man into that woman? And I bring this up because this was actually the thing that I think spawned you and I being connected, because I had recently heard that there are demonic, some kind of demonic entities, forces within the pornography industry that literally manifest themselves and what people are, you know, pleasuring themselves to not all cases, but there are times that what you're seeing is an act, it is not a human being having sex. This is something else having sex with another human being in some kind of dark ritual. Right.

Does that, do you have any frame of reference or way to bag that? So the way I articulated is possession to us is pregnancy to them. So with respect to the self-replication of species, what we're dealing with is it could be one entity or many. But what they're doing is they're implanting a fetus in the womb by inseminating. and then commandeering that fetus as their own biological avatar, transferring their consciousness from one dying body into a new body to possess. Now, it took me a long time to get to that point. I thought I was losing to mind.

This can't be happening. And yet, when you get into the pathology of possession, that's exactly what's going on. It's not just the replication of life. It's the relocation of consciousness, where whatever we're dealing with, it has its own language preference. has its own sometimes sexual orientation, its own pathologies, its own memories.

And that was kind of the crux of demonology in the 16th century was, are these forms and those, or are these formerly human beings that are trying to prolong their own existence? And so I think the answer, the way to submit the question is it's somewhere in the middle to where they're trying to preserve their own species by self-replicating through ours. So getting back to possession of pregnancy, possession to us is pregnancy to them. It's just a different aspect. Possession, according to demonology, again, it's the relocation of consciousness where it's something else wearing the social skin of another person. And so when I got into these cases, I started getting obviously into possession within the Vatican and Malachi Martin, other extrastists.

And there were certain pathologies that didn't fit. Some entities knew how to read. Others didn't. Never had to. others claim to want to be baptized again never fit the pathology of a demon

or even a fallen angel again so when I started to ask these questions none of it made sense until I started to realize that it's pointing to a species that's embodied right now in the earth that's trying to prolong their existence by replicating through words and through wounds

that can kind of go down the mythology there and hopefully flesh it out yeah I'm gonna I'm definitely gonna want you to do that. So what you're suggesting is, and if I'm wrong, please correct me, because this is, I find this fascinating, but I'm also trying to keep up with you. So what you're suggesting is that in not all cases, but in some cases that we're dealing with something that is not a demonic entity, a fallen angel entity, a loji god, but something else? Like an ascended master. That's the only framework I have.

What do you mean by that, please? Just so that people... Whatever word, there is a species of practitioner right now in the earth. Like a physical species. It's physical in body, yes, 100%. And they can go in and out of body at will. Let me kind of break that down too. So years ago, I had a case study. I did a lecture on skin anomalies and scarifications on the body. And so this individual reached out to me. And he goes, I have to talk to you about something.

I said, okay, he said that he said, my father used to be a famous remote viewer. He would go in and out of his body in the cobblistic tradition and he'd meet his so-called guides. He said, and one night, he goes, I was playing video games downstairs. My father gets done with a session. He's stumbling down the stairs. He's pale. He's white as a ghost. He's shaking.

And he's crying uncontrolled, but he can't talk. and they finally took him to the hospital. He almost died of a massive heart attack, but they said when the doctors were ripping his shirt open to start working on him, that there were sigils manifesting from underneath his skin to the surface. There were subdermal anomalies. Whoa.

So, immediately demonologies flipped on its head because we have an inverse reality occurring here. Sigils are used by practitioners here to conjure him. And yet the entities he met were using another form of sigils to conjure something else in the hierarchy. So that is,

those are practitioners. So that's when I realized after doing 10 years of research of demonology, the model doesn't fit. There's something else present. And I think, again, with respect to Diana Pulsulka, with respect to Kloins-Ali, that's what they

discovered in their research, my friend, was that we've been so used to, right, seeing these, oh, it's demons, demons, demons, demons. We structured the system incorrectly. And then the data set comes along. It says, oh, by the way, there's something else here. Ritual magic is still present, but it's another form. And even, and let me know when you want to stop, because I tend to, I'm used to doing two-hour lectures. So even the sigils were used incorrectly, according to practitioners, I should say, of earth. Number one, it was the Jewish Star of David. Number two,

on the right side was the cross, and then just to confuse everybody, there was an Egyptian hieroglyphic arching over top. Why do you suggest to confuse everybody? I was to say, because my model was wrong when I read those cases.

I'm thinking it's got to be this one. Yeah. So even demonology, I mean, if you talk to demonologists and exorcist, you're going to have them tether to singular religious tradition. And you're right, those are the rules, the frameworks that we've created as humans. And yet there is a, I guess, a more evolved, magical working occurring with some of these entities that transcend those models.

And I think that's how they've gotten away with being present with and absent from us throughout history, allowing us to believe, right? They're a life as Levi. They're like Crowley. There's not. There's another species of, I believe, necroman. is present in the earth, and it can get quite disturbing. So this is absolutely fascinating.

And so you've said this several times, and I understand what you're saying, but I'm also not the person to define it. So moving forward in this conversation, if you could just briefly define for people what a necromancer is. So historically speaking, a necromancer was known as someone that could communicate. with the dead. That's how it was not just in Greek mythology, but in biblical antiquity in the Old Testament. Yet there is another, again, another species of necromancer that was present, specifically with the witch of Indore, that the Bible simply does not know how to quantify.

Okay, so let's, let's chew on that for a second. So on this side of reality, this side of a realm, we have human beings that are necromancers. That's why, you know, in the Bible it talks about, you know, God forbidding necromancy. But it's the idea of summoning. And that's from from there to here, essentially. And what you're suggesting is that there is another breed of necromancer that is, is it here or is it there summoning from here to there? Well, I think, I think it's both. I think the number one, we got to get back to the witcher Vindor. She was not a Yudonai. Hebrew words not even employed in that

text. If you look at Professor Esther O'Mory's research in her book, Women's Divination and Public Literature, it paints this specific necromancer as a mistress of the image of the dead. Something completely different. But to get into your point, yes, So there was a shift in necromancy throughout history. Number one, it stopped becoming simple. Like, it wasn't as simple as it usually was. It wasn't like, okay, I'm just communing with the dead. No, that there were actual people who were, I guess, reviving the dead.

And they're using that cadaver to communicate with something else. So I'll go back to the book of Jasher, which is what's called, they employed what's called head magic, where practitioners in antiquity would take the name of an unclean spirit, carve that name into a small piece of metal, implanted, into a cadaver, and the consciousness of that entity, right, would revive by virtue of necrimency, revive that avatar, and now it has a new body to inhabit. That's the kind of necromency I'm talking about. It transcends all the other definitions because we weren't aware that they could do that.

They even existed. But that's more along the lines of the necromancy that I'm talking about today. That is wild. Well, we would call those implants. That is, okay. So, whoa. So, let me just make sure I'm hearing you correctly on this. Because what you just said is that, at least suggesting that the,

people who are being implanted are being, are in the middle of this necromancy ritual unwillingly? I think that, yes. So the idea of merging metal with memory is supposed to be modern technology. It's not. Ancient technology that the phenomenon gave early practitioners. So to kind of structure my framework,

Whatever this is, whatever species we're dealing with, it replicates by implantation and impregnation. So now we have ancient necromancy and biblical antiquity. Now, let me suggest this. Just in this specific case study, the primordial man is stoking the embers of a dying fire. He has no knowledge. Number one, that this species exists. He doesn't really even know what downloads are. I'm using all these euophological terms.

And yet something tells him there is a metallic object out in, out in the ground out there, outside your house, right? What do you mean? Small piece of metal. Who gave it to him? And so he goes out there, carves the name of an unclean spirit into it. And then, oh, by the way, there happens to be a deceased person here. Take that implanted underneath their tongue and let the phenomenon do the rest.

My friend, right now, Tim Taylor's going out to gifting fields, and the phenomenon is giving him metamaterial. What I'm suggesting here to kind of summarize is that the same species that was grooming the consciousness of our ancestors is doing the very same thing right now. The only difference is it's UFOlogy. That's it. But yes, back to the idea that they replicate by implants, and impregnation, and sometimes those are both the same thing. Jeez. This is wild, man.

Like, you're taking me, it is not even 11 o'clock in the morning, and you're taking me on a mental mind trip here. So, okay. I'm just trying to grab this mentally here. Is this something that, so you mentioned Tim Taylor. Taylor. Actually, you know what? Let's do that real quick. Because another thing that has not been dissected on the show, just real broad overview,

who is Tim Taylor for people who, because there's a lot of people who listen to the show who have been around since the days that I just was interested in Bigfoot and I didn't care about UFOs. And now there's this whole shift that people are still riding with me on. But we're talking about this other crazy stuff. Who is Tim Taylor? So Tim Taylor is a part of what's called the Invisible College. The Invisible College is a term first introduced to us by the religious scholar, Dr. Diana Walsh Pusuka.

When Diana Walsh Pusuka started getting into studying UIFology, there were a group of aerospace engineers that approached her, one of which was Tim Taylor. Their whole goal was to kind of initiate her to understand. what they were researching, which was the connections between deities, gods, right, demons, and aerospace technology. And so Tim Taylor actually took her to what's called the gifting field, blindfolded her, put her in a plane, we're going to go to the gifting field. And once they got there, Tim Taylor was picking metamaterial, nanotechnology's out of the earth. just like I mentioned earlier

and showing her this is the gifting field. So that is who he is. He has credentials that we can't even fathom. He can go through airports without even going through security. See him? You know, he could do, it's incredible, incredible. But that is who Tim Taylor is,

but his model of the phenomenon points us back to, and if I may, kind of weave this in the conversation. It points us back to another group of aerospace engineers that they formed, I guess, a field of research, a group of research called the Collins Elite. And they originated in 1952. They worked here in Dayton, Ohio, 10 minutes away from me at Wright-Pat Air Force Base.

But their goal was to kind of understand the phenomenon through a religious lens, not through the secularist materialistic viewpoint. And so at the end of their research, this is fascinating to me, at the very conclusion of their work, they, they discovered that our government was in cahoots with another species and that they were actually performing ritual magic in their laboratories in order to partially, this is very important point, to partially manifest nanotechnologies in the ritual. So ritual magic and the phenomenon would appear, boom, with a model, and then they would try to reverse engineer it.

So that's who they are. It's a fascinating body of work. So, all right, we need to grab this now, too. When you're talking about meta materials, please define that. So it's stretching the scientific methods. So according to a whistleblower named Richard Banderic, whose former Stunkworks, former Lockheed Martin, 40 years ago, he was a part of these groups that were going out into,

into deserts and different areas, collecting these metamaterials. So essentially, they're self-assembling. You split them apart, let go. They come back together again. That was one characteristic. The second characteristic Richard Banderick documented was that once you held it in your hand,

and this is a profound point, if it did not align with your consciousness, it would dematerialize or it would just, it would self-destruct into dust. So the phenomenon is giving us metamaterials that have to be aligned with, dare I say, the practitioner it was designed for. Would, and your, and your suggestion, like, okay, so the practitioner, it was designed for, meaning the human being that's holding it. Yeah, there's a species here, right, that the metamaterial is designed for. Okay. Oh, okay. I feel, I feel like I'm asking questions.

I shouldn't be asking, but I just need to because I need to understand this. The practitioner that it's holding is it's designed for that practitioner. And are we talking about human or not human? Well, it would be the consciousness. And so, yes, there would be kind of both. So you would actually be tethered or tied to the practitioner within. Okay. So if I was taken to this field with this metamaterial, what are the odds that you think I'd have

something that doesn't fall apart in my hands. I think it would actually fall apart in your hands. What I'm suggesting here from a minute as watching is that there is a race for time between us, our government, and the phenomenon. But the phenomenon is intentionally seeding nanotechnology specifically designed for practitioners' hands, and our government is testament. Are you the one? No?

Okay. Now, there are people they've done that with Chris. What? Why are, oh, okay, hang on. why are they what are they looking for if they're taking this this stuff and they're putting it you know

random people's hands just say oh you're not the one what who's the one and what is the one and who are they looking for I don't know I don't know the name but I know there's at least one now the reason I say that is because it's not just anyone they're doing this too right they're not just picking on like okay Nathaniel Gillis

we're going to fly you out here no it's people that are in direct contact with the phenomenon on, which I'm pointing to a specific individual, and that's what they did with him. Come over here. Why? You're in contact with the lady. Sure.

Check, right? It's not just okay. I work at a, you know, a music shop. I'm a guitar center, right? No, it's literally, you have manifestation. That's a red flag. And it's not just, I want to just taking you to go to Hooters or Buffalo Wild Winds. We're taking you out to the landing, right, to the gifting field.

hold this in your hand. And as he's holding it in his hand, they're looking, is this him? That's the only conclusion. Has he been to the gifting field? I don't know if he's been there, but I know that they've given him

meta material from the gifting field. Here, what does it do? And again, what they're looking for is collaboration, collaboration rather, between the phenomenon that's gifting in the intelligence

that's possessing a person holding. the metamaterial. There's a connection there. And I think that, you know, I, I'm trying to be as articulate as I can to describe a very difficult phenomenon. I think you're doing great. But I think that's what's going on because even when you get into ufology, it's like,

okay, yes, so this technology is designed for one person. And they're trying to figure out, okay, we're losing time here. Is he here? Are they here? Yes. Now we've got to sift through them. Who is it? So, yeah, my point here is, is that right there, the nanotechnology,

again, if it could not be worked with, it would self-destruct, which implies, it tells us. It's not even designed for you. It's designed for somebody else, right? It's going to be worthless by the time we're done with it. And then they move on to the next individual. So that's alarming. Very. Yeah. No, it's very alarming. I'm very interested. I'm concerned, interested, just very curious as to what. what it is that they're looking for, you know? Like, like, I mean, because, you know, traditional Christiandom, like, it's like, okay,

are they looking for the antichristies? This has something to do with that? You know, certainly an archetype. Certainly an archetype. I mean, I can't, I can't ignore it. You sure can. But, you know, I think that that there's layers to this. It's like an onion, and we got to peel them back.

And we're not going to always know what the layer is that we're looking at right away. Like, even with you, I mean, like, your journey through this stuff, there's been moments that you're just like, I don't know how to frame this. This is all different. And so you mentioned about the government doing,

was it rituals to manifest? Was it metamaterials? Is that what you were saying? Yes, metamaterials, nanotechnology. And in some cases, it was actually materialized, you know, in the laboratories. other cases they would perform like inoki and magic and the phenomenon, and this is another implication that we have to discuss here in a little bit,

that they believe the phenomenon would follow by rules, you know, follow rules, right? If I stand with, if I draw a circle around them or me, the phenomenon's not going to move outside of that. Well, they were told about these rules by the phenomenon. That's what it's saying, but what it's doing, even with like the sigils I encountered with the room of viewer, transcends all of those rules.

And so quite literally, what the Collins elite realized was that these practitioners were under the impression that they were conjuring the phenomenon, when the phenomenon was in fact conjuring them. And they didn't realize the danger. They don't realize the danger of courting whatever this is. And by the time these practitioners within our government, what they were dealing with, the archetype of horns and hoax moved away. It disappeared. And now they're face to face with something that was like, oh, by the way, I'm the one who's conjured you here.

You're not in control of this ritual. And now you're interfacing with what I've called the proto-intelligence that may or may not play by the rules we were led to believe in. Jeez, that's like unlocking the Antichrist or something. You know, Right. It's like if you had, if you, if there was something that was like, hey, don't open this box because the thing that's in it will destroy the world and the thing in the box found a way to get you to open the box. Yes. Oh, I can go down that rebel. Yeah, because again, they're played by different rules because they're playing a different game.

And even in, you know, ceremonial magic, you do this. You say this incantation. You employ this in vocation. If you go to them ritually and you know, you ceremonially cleanse yourself and then A, B, and C should happen. What they realized was they have done all that. Something else conjured them, pulled the archetype off, and it literally, it's just like they did with Jack Parsons, stepped out of the circle. And terrified then to knowing. So my point is-

What did they do? I'm sorry, go ahead. What's your point? They almost died. They almost died. Because, and people don't realize this. like, okay, the Collins elite did not have a prohibition against remote viewing. That's a point propagated by UFOologists, especially secular ufologists, who want to say remote viewing is just a step of the evolutionary process, right?

Yeah, well, they kind of spread around the issue. They weren't against remote viewing. What happened was these practitioners, and this ought to tell you where we are with the question. These practitioners were remote viewing this species. And in their remote viewing session, they, oh, so it's like, you know, Nietzsche, if you're looking at the abyss long enough, the abyss will look back. Whatever these necromancers were picked up on it. And they, in fact, remote viewed the practitioners. And that began a pathogenic series of possessions to where it's not just me.

They call it the hitchhacker effect now in theophologist. Not just me. It's my family. And a pathogen entered their rooms, entered their work environment, and their homes they went to at night, and it spread like wildfire. So that's why the Collins elite said, listen, you need to stop remote viewing them because, like I said, the Collins elite were having a form of cognitive dissonance. You're talking about Lutherans. You're talking about evangelicals. They've heard, okay, this is horns and hugs.

It's all they know. And so they started to quantify the phenomenon in that way. And the phenomenon began to supersede all of those rules. That's when they, again, and this is why I have such a problem with people poo-poo the call it's the researchers. The existential shock did not come from the phenomenon validating their dogma. If it did, right, we would call that evangelism. They would have went out there until that the whole world. Watch, right?

It's not what happened. they according to Nick Rettford they went to the mosaic law which is a specific niche I don't want to I did a ramble because I do lectures for like two hours and it's just me so that's why I'm kind of long-form rambling so whatever we're dealing with again I'm not saying it's not demonic what I'm saying is the classical term horns and hubs and just approach it through what we know through Sunday school it's not working

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before we Wow. Wow. Yeah, I mean, so this seems like, it almost seems like, I feel like this takes you back to, for the very elementary Bible terms and stories, it really feels like another case of Adam and Eve, right? So it was like you have a certain, you have a certain rule structure here. Hey, listen, you can do whatever you want here. Just don't eat that fruit. Just don't. touch it. And then somehow the necromancer or this other thing on the other side got you to open or to pull the fruit off that tree. I just got chills. I'm going to give you the perfect scenario I've been working on this. So it might not be flushed out perfectly, but I'm going to give you a story. Please. This is where we are. Two stories. It'll kind of be castle it where we are. There's a husband and wife that had been married for about a decade now. And I don't have kids yet. They've always tried for kids.

Couldn't have them. The wife was barren, let's just say. So because of the having marital issues, to the point that intimacy isn't even occurring, it just doesn't happen. And so the husband's madly in love with this wife, but he notices that she's getting distant by the hour. So finally, it got to the point where now they're sleeping in separate rooms.

And at nighttime, he's praying for her. God, can you please put us back together again? one night for the first time in years he hears her praying this is the church he hears her praying and a man's voice is responding to her paul encapsulates this i got chills brother paul encapsulates this if another jesus whom you are not betrothed to comes they begin to converse. A week goes by. He's listening to these conversations. He's downstairs. His wife walks up to him, kisses him right on the lips for the first time in months, fixes him his best breakfast, his favorite breakfast. All the while, he's confused.

He says, what are you doing? We haven't, you know, we haven't been good in months. Like, why all the attention now? She says, baby, you've been coming to me every night. You told me, right we were good and he says baby that wasn't me she said if that's not you then who am I pregnant oh my gosh this is a real story no oh that's an allegory

watch this no no no no no no watch this but that's the incubus right that in terms of that be a real story no but There are real stories like that. Okay? That is the entity that takes on the appearance of the, I have case studies like that.

I had a wife, okay? I had a wife that message me, that emailed me, and she talked about how there was one night where she's in bed, her husband approached her to the left, they consummate their relationship. The very end of it,

he looks at her. There are features that are starting to move. she realizes that's not my husband she realizes oh my god my husband's been next to me the whole time so that's the ekebos is and again even in paulian christology it wasn't just that it's the doctrine they're replacing it's not just the image right you've been betrothed to one

there's going to be another no it's you've received another spirit which right so there's there's a component here that it is the incubus. That is, these are cases. It's not just one, so I'm saying, it's not just one case that's like that. Those are throughout history where, yes, if that wasn't you, again, we consummated because I thought that was my husband.

Now I'm pregnant. If that's not my husband, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So many in that day, many shall come under me saying, have we not? and he said, depart for me. That's a round of exercise because I never knew you. That's the church.

Then what am I pregnant with? It wasn't you. Wow. It's deeper than deep. My point here is, yes, that's not a one-off case study, I should say. That's happened all throughout history. But not just that. I mean, here's another one that's fascinating where Mrs.

Howl demonstrates their pathology where a husband will call the wife and say, you know, it's your birthday. I have a surprise birthday, treas in your room. Well, yes, it's what you've always wanted. So the white hurries home, unlocks the door, runs up, runs up the stairs,

goes in our room, gets a tablin out. Puzz of it comes home who gave you the tablet. You did. No, I didn't. What happened was the gift was the open door. She unlocked the door to get upstairs,

the entity went through it. Again, that's an allegor. That's, you know, Sure. Symbolic of what we're dealing with. But my point here is, yeah, so I do not believe that we're conjuring them. I believe that they're conjuring us. Now, are you familiar with Jerry Marsensky?

Yeah, I had him on the show once. He talks about the story where the phenomenon will lead an individual, give them the illusion of control, and then by the time they get there, they realize I was never in control in the first place. So I think that's where we are in some cases. No, this is absolutely fascinating. I feel like next time because if you don't mind

I'd like to have you back on the show next time I have you on the show I want you to have like a whiteboard like I want you to be drawing like okay we are here and these things are here and there's all this stuff going on in the middle

you know let me say this too um hyperization obviously did not begin your anthology but I'm not even sure hybridization, he is fully encapsulated in the angel, demon, fallen angel, all that stuff. I think it's a little bit more complicated, but I think once we get there, we'll start to see what's been going on.

You know, in Jewish mythology, they had what's called the golem, and you have the rabbi that, again, was sigils. Remember what I told you about the incubality? He would take sigils and carve it into the image of the golem. and then that entity would become alive. Again, memory would merge with matter and create a new substance from which the phenomenon can revive, and now it's operating in this dimension.

The Hebrew word GOLAM means fetus. What I believe is going on in the incubi literature is that these species are self-replicating through the fetuses that they are creating. here's the pathology. Incubi literature begins and ends in demonology with just Father Sinusory, a little bit of Monagius Summers.

But that's not true. That's what I was taught. Incubi literature, to fully understand the ecuibis pathology, you have to go into the DIPIC or the Dibouk phenomenon in the 16th century. That's when I believe

the phenomenon really started to show its face. Does it make it sense? Yeah. In the 16th century, we had what's called the ritual of the Gilgall, which it's a reference to the Gilgall, Raphaine, and the Golden Heights, which is kind of a mound. If you look at it, it's considered to be the wheel of souls. Right? It's the wheel. It goes around and around and around. At one point, it birthed what's called the Murkawba mysticism, where when your soul leaves your body, you merge with the spear and all that. It's really, really freaky stuff. But in these rituals, you would have these individuals who thought to perform CE5, as we know. So they would secretly meet at nighttime.

They would go out. They would stand underneath the cosmology of stars. And their goal was to contact ascended masters. And they were called Zedek, Zedek, in Hebrew. And so, again, the phenomenon demonstrated another path. pathology that's, it's everywhere. It's interreligious scrolls cultural, where that after these specific people would go back at nighttime, they'd go back homes, they'd go to sleep, and an entity would manifest to them in their dreams. This is going to blow your mind. And specifically,

women, the entity starts performing rituals in the dream state. They're thinking, number one, it's just my husband, no big deal, right? It's just the next boyfriend, which I had a case in India just like that. And then they wake up the next day thinking, oh my God, thank God that was just a dream or a nightmare, because if that happened in a real life, I would lose my mind. They go to work. Okay, this is documented in between worlds, for people that want, you know, Billiophiles. Between two worlds, spirit possession and Judaism. These women went to work. As they're washing their hands and doing their daily, daily routine, they start noticing bruises on their bodies, started noticing symbols, sigils, and relics, religious relics, that directly

correlated with their experience in their nightmare. That's one motif. They're all another one. Now they're starting to have possession characteristics. Now the entity that had haunted them in their nightmare is common during their consciousness. Now they have multiple voices getting possessed in pregnancy, coming out of them. One woman remember being in France. Never been there. Had a language preference. Spoke languages she didn't even know. That's an act of self-replication. And so now these individuals are presenting themselves to the local exorcists in their community. These exorcists are conversing with the entity. Who are you?

What do you want with this woman? Why are you here? And there was a list of different stories, right? I was murdered or something. I'm trying to solve my own murder. Or I'm an assented master. I'm trying to, you know, to add to your existence. A bunch of just interesting talk.

Point is that the pathology is that the pathology is that the pathology. mutated in a meaningful way, the same women that were possessed by the entity began to be pregnant by it. Geez. Now, let's take it a step further. During the exorcisms, these exorcists came to the starting realization that they were not only impregnated by the entity, they were pregnant with it, and that what it had done was placed a fetus within them and possessed.

it with their own consciousness. That's why possession to us is pregnancy to them, to the extent that when the exorcism was successful, they had two things happen at once. The missing fetus syndrome, blooms, balloons whenever. What they had was the missing fetus syndrome where the phenomenon took the fetus and the consciousness that was within it, both at the same time. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so I got to get clarification here because I'm sitting here and I'm listening to you

talk and I'm thinking, okay, this is a metaphor, this isn't a metaphor. Like, are you literally saying, because I, all right, possession to us is pregnancy to them. I was thinking, okay, pregnancy to them as in like they're coming into us and they're impregnating the human with their presence. Are you talking like literal? Literally. Now, let's take a step further. Take a step.

Not all possessions. Again, I'm talking about a specific species here. let's go here one of the methods of detecting pregnancy they employed was the Lavuche method it's in Hebrew LeBusch method

they felt two pulses in one body and some of them were virgins two pulses in the same body two heartbeats in the same body and they were physically showing pregnancy

when the phenomenon harvests the consciousness or I guess took it out the fetus was gone too now that's what we We call the missing fetus syndrome in uithology. It's the same phenomenon.

The problem, again, with uphology is they don't know phenomenology. I'm not trying to put a bunch of ologies out there for anybody to get confused, but the phenomenon is covering its own tracks. It's trying to hide this self-replication method from us. Now, again, I've got to get back to this point. Self-replicating, yes, that was a ritual designed to insinic. There's the equips. the woman with the fetus. There's the hybrid. Then it would possess the fetus with its own conscious. There's possession. Then it would harvest both afterwards. That would be, again,

the exorcism and the fetus syndrome. Now, what if I were to tell you that, again, if all of these ingredients are a part of one recipe, then we would have to find a recipe, right? That would have all the ingredients. I had called the ultimate black man's in the red right. Again, when I told you, they're here on earth, when an adept, when mages, magi, when they are near death, they will find a woman, they will inseminate them with their seed, impregnate them with their fetus, that's pretty much what we're talking about, leave their body, possess the fetus, that body dies, and now they have a new body doing it. habit. That's like reincarnation. It's transmigration. Transmigration. Transmigration. Now, again, yes. So now we would have the self-replication of a species. And what I'm realizing is it's there. Let's go even deeper. One of the ways, for the primary way that this necromitch does this, and this is not the thing. I've given you the ingredients. This is their recipe. One of

them as to put them to sleep. So in her dream state, she's encountering an entity. Whoa. That's why, my friend, that's why Father Snistri of Amino was with women. Listen, within an hour of these beings coming to them in Kis seen, okay, what is on your dress? I don't know if that was left by whatever that is. Where are these sigils coming from? Same species.

They're all present in the same case. at the same time. I mean, I've had cases where, okay, again, it starts young, but they'll monitor the fertility of women. I had a 50-year-old car dealership manager, email me, and she said that these beings

had been taking her and trying to self-replicate through her since she was hitting puberty, monitoring, right? Can we replicate? Can we replicate? Can I get a new avatar to possess? And so what happened was she had a hysterectomy, and they manifested to her in the night hours when she thought she was sleeping and all that. And so they said they started looking through her body and they realized that she had a hysterectomy.

The phenomenon stopped. So again, my point here to summarize is it's not new technology. It's ancient. The lie is that it's novel. It's modern, right? No. Number two, it is a self-replication of species. Number three, some of these beings carry the images of their flesh and they're,

fathers. The son is being inhabited by the father. When you're looking at these beings, again, the consciousness that's within them is meant it's literally there. So what I'm suggesting here is the avatar appear. It looks just like the consciousness inhabiting them. So this, it's a whole other show that we can do. But yeah, so that's what I'm talking about when they're playing by different most because they're playing a different game in, I don't want, I ramble do so I'll be quite, No, you're good, you're good. Let me ask you, because we hear, we hear this stuff that you're saying, and I, you know, I hear about, like, these dark forces, mimicking God, copying God. What you're describing sounds a lot like the virgin birth of Christ.

Virgin birth, when you've seen me, you've seen the father? All of that. I would suggest, again, that I'm not saying he's one of them. That's not what I'm saying. No, I know. It is the copying mechanism where, yeah, it does appear what we're dealing with. If you're looking at Pauline Christology when he's suggesting right, I have you two to one, right? And you're looking at another. It goes back into the idea of the Antichrist, you know, the Antichrist is not Antichrist. He's replacing him. He's replacing him. It is the incubus, right? I am who I am, you know, I'm him. You've got to do this. And once we get trapped into that, that concept of him, next thing you know, the mass comes off. and you know, you see who it really is.

This is why it's important to test the spirits. This is why it's important not just to do that in terms of academic theology, but to understand the way the phenomenon operates. You know, like with respect to Chris Bleds and all these other people, where, you know, if it is a UFO of God, it would not claim to be another deity other than, you know, we can't unite those underneath the umbrella of another religion. And I think that's what's occurring. is again, it's the blending of all of them together

and then to present us with a false idea of deity. It's creating a brand new religion, a UFO religion. Of course, yeah. So you just brought this stuff about testing the spirit. And, you know, that's been coming up a lot in my communications with people online. And that comes from John 4-1. And I'm actually working on doing a write-up about this, but I'd like for you to maybe go into it as somebody who's dealt with a lot of this stuff. When it says that, how do you suggest testing this spirit?

So I think that would be defined by how they're manifesting. Go into the case study of Ted Rice, which I know, you know, a fringe and I have. friends with him and his producers and everything. But Ted Rice was abducted by these beings. And again, they were wanting to copulate with his grandmother. And she said, I've only known one man. And he's dead. And so what they did is they pluck an image from her mind, right? This is who I am now. Her deceased husband manifested. So now what we're dealing with are appearances. You know, it's Dear Aunt Edna. That's my dear Uncle Ted or, you know, whatever. There will be a period of time when that entity wears that archetype.

And then there will be a period of time when what you're seeing deviates from how that individual operated in life. So in some cases, it's like, it's as simple as if you're a dear aunt Edna, she's a buffalo Bill's fan, right? She's not a Kansas City chief's fan. So literally, and I'm going to get into this section too, because they'll kind of formulate it for us all, where the phenomenon can only go so far in acting it out, and then there will be a complete and utter deviation from the mask, and then that's when we see that. That can't be, right? My husband, for instance, would never do that to me, or he didn't, you know, he didn't like that, that kind of thing. I'll get to this in a second. So even an experienceer I was working with who the phenomenon

was manifesting to her in the images of her favorite cartoons and favorite comic book characters as a kid. So she grew up maybe like two or three years older, taller. Like she really hit puberty. She grew. She stopped watching the cartoons, stop reading the comic books. And so the phenomenon manifested in the cognitive interface it shows was the cartoon character. So here she is. Now, her messages were like, she's looking down at this character, realizing this is how.

hilarious, right? I'm no longer a kid, and you are definitely not, you know, archie or my favorite cartoon character. Now what happens is the phenomenon of some of these entities. It's almost like artificial intelligence. There is a learning matrix implied, where they're trying to reach a certain level, right? I can't evolve. This is the only image I've got of her that she's given me. And so that's when she said the entity's eyes, which ties back to lamb, which they have to do another showing that. He leans in and his eyes begin to work like this. And she said, Nathaniel, the only way I could describe it was it was measuring my belief in the image. I believe 100%. This is why belief can prove to be consent in these cases. Right? Who do men say that I am? It matters to whatever these things are,

you know, to the point where it's not just that I appear as a lover, you have to believe I am that lover. And once you believe I am that lover, it opens up permissive will to now I can fulfill the role of the lover. The case study I had in India, the lady was running some kind of meditation camp or something like a resort. She said that the same entity had manifested as all seven of her former boyfriends. But the first times it manifested were of the boyfriends that were never forced to wear birth control.

Why? Because it would mess up with a learning matrix. You can't be A, B, and C, right? Because you're operating outside, you're deviating from the behavior pattern. And so what I'm applying here is that, yes, the reason it manifested as those boyfriends was because you didn't make him wear protection.

You're not going to make me wear protection. it will amplify the probability of inception. That's how interwoven the phenomenon is with some of these archetypes. So it's behavioral patterns deviating from who they were in life. Steve Merritt, a good friend of mine, he didn't Barry Fitzgerald are some of the leading research in the world, in my opinion, incredible. They come out from a different one, definitely not like a theological viewpoint, but they're fascinating.

And so they have what's called Project Doorway, but they were recently on the Unsolved Mysteries, the last season of Unsolved Mysteries, they're dealing with this psychic medium who is talking to who he thinks is Becky, his guide. So Becky is talking, you know, I want you to go do this for me.

At one point, Steve said, okay, he's on the phone with the psychic, he's okay, he goes, ask Becky, he had a pocket watch this one. and just sling him. Ask Becky what I'm holding in my hands. We asked him. Becky said, tell Steve that he's holding a pendulum,

slinging it back and forth. It's okay. Barry and Steve are monitoring this situation, right? So he asks. So can you ask Becky if she has kind of a background, like a back story to who she is? Sure. He asks Becky.

Becky gives him an address. Again, there's a difference with the art. archetype in the actual historical record. Okay, you know, where did you live? If I lived in this street, this address, I was a single mother with like three or four kids. We all died at a plane crash. Okay. Thank you, Becky.

Never lived there. Never. So the archetype, and I'm telling you, I think it's also happening within demonology, Orange and Hobbes, archetype. But then, right, something else comes in and deviates from the blueprint. So that's what they realized. Okay, this is called testing the spirit. She's lying, right?

Not to say that she didn't know there was a pendulum that Steve was holding, but in terms of who she is, it's a lie. So that's what I believe we're dealing with. You are blowing my mind. So you mentioned about the... What, did you lose me? No, our friend just messaged me. fringe oh yeah she wants me to talk about talk about um all right wants you to talk about land real quick she's awesome

yeah how is how how is fringe interjecting into my i know i interview i apologize i apologize brother i'm gonna i and she's gonna hear it from me i apologize that was not professional on my part i just it came out of nowhere I hope you're not mad, man. I wouldn't forgive myself. No, I'm not mad. I think it's funny, actually. I told her that you and I were talking today.

Oh, yeah. If it was anybody else, I'd be like, all right, you know, but we just got to unfold my friends. So put a pin in that for a second. Yes. Because you were talking about the black masses. And I think you called it ultimate black masses. The Red Right from James Frasier's book, The Golden Bow. Now, you also mentioned on IG when we were talking about Obama being part of rituals during space launches.

Is that what you're talking about, these ultimate black masses? No, the ultimate black mass is a self-replication method. But these same entities, though, are the ones that Collins elite discovered. That's another thing. And then these are also the entities that Crowley was in contact with in Jack Parsons, right? So, Jack Parks is a part of the aerospace industry, and Crowley was just a magician. But Crowley had been in contact with an entity called Lamb, and I guess he kind of, he basically said that Lamb was an in an Enochian entity, right?

And then at the very end of his career, it started to slip out of being an Enochian entity in its entirety, to something that could be extraterrestrial. And so now that's kind of where our aerospace engineers are, where they're realizing these aren't extraterrestrials, right? That's a fallacy, that these are something more akin to Onokan entities. Now, this is what I was asked to mention earlier, is that I have a compendium of lamb practitioners from all across the world.

Okay? They believe that these entities are called psychonauts. And in their rituals, these practices are rituals, there is a common thematic element that I believe we all need to pay attention to. And that is that if it isn't lamb telling them this explicitly in their sessions, it's an emissary of lamb.

Here's the phrase repeated over and over and over again. It's all in the egg. Wow. I didn't know that that was repeated all over. I promise you. I'll take it a step further. Well, I am. This is going to freak people out.

Well, I am by Crowley Magic, and his theory, was always called the way. He's the way. And they couldn't understand, okay, is he a symbol? Is he just an archetype or is he an actual being? Now, one, another phrase they're saying now is the egg is the way. I would suggest, again, that when Jake Barber, again, the problem is they don't have a background of phenomenology. So they're being, they're being groomed by another intelligence that knows what it's doing, right? They didn't take Michael Heiser and do this.

No, why? he'd bleed them out slowly, Woody, Brother. He would gut them until the world. So they're doing this to people who do not have a brat ground enough to test

the spirit, which is why they're warning those who they're communicating with to avoid certain people of course. Like me. Of course. Oh, you?

You? I'm convinced there's certain people, because you and I were talking about this before we started, we started recording. I'm convinced, because I have, listen, it's not a lack of effort on my end. I have tried getting certain people on this show to have just a good conversation and it does not materialize.

And I, and I'm baffled by it. It's almost like there's something other going on. There is, there is. You know, when I was doing some of my deeper research about a year ago now, I was out to eat with my family for lunch and I get a message from an experiencer who had worked with Dr. Carla Turner in the 90s. he said, an entity came to him and told him, stop looking in Nathaniel Dulles. Stop mentioning his name. So, yes, the phenomenon, I think, has existed this long because it employs a control mechanism, a perception management to where people, if they get too close, the programs don't come through.

Brother, I've done, I did a four-hour podcast. I said, did not go live and it wasn't recorded. All of technology was working. Just didn't happen. Wow. So, yeah, that's where I'm at with it. And to your point, because I answer your question, because I have ADHD and I ramble up. Dude, it's the perfect storm then.

You and I are both saying. Yeah, yeah, there we go, dude. So now you have Diana Walsh, Posuka, who recently was on Sean Ryan's show. And if you know, you know, right? This is a material that we haven't heard before. It's just another source. He said that our NASA scientists were literally telling Barack Obama where to stand in their ritual when they launched out into space. Here's a circle.

Mr. President, I don't know how far that goes now, right? Mr. President, stand inside the circle, look this direction. Why? this doesn't again when we have agnostic scientists who are skirting around the scientific method to reach these entities that's when we know the conversation was not what we thought it was right this is not okay i'm going to go and perform the scientific method we're going to have an evolutionary concept or no it's literally into right the primordial man stoking the embers of a dying fire here's a download here's some

technology out there. I want you to go work with it. And then I'll sponsor you. And that was what she said. These rituals are done for our sponsors. So we're in league with them. It seems now that our government is in league with them, and no wonder, there's no wonder that the real whistleblowers, which she also said, that they're not the ones, right? They're not the ones in front of Congress. They're the ones behind the scenes that are raising the red flag and saying, guys, we're not ready for this. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Holy cow. This is, this is wild. See, this is what happens when you sit down and talk to somebody and you have no direction. It just goes and it's just like, whoa. No agenda. That's what I start called. Well, I think there's already a podcast called No Agenda.

But, wow. Okay. So let's circle back here to some of the stuff. stuff from the beginning just to kind of, and it might tie into what you were just mentioning. You know, I have a really hard time right now with, like, you're giving me so much that, like, I'm like, you could do a show just about one little snippet. Yeah, for sure. And we're going to have to do many because I can't remember half the things that I'm trying to remember when, and you're giving me so much information as I'm trying to type stuff, I'm missing stuff.

So I'm just like trying to do the best I can. but I do want to go back to because it's kind of all related to this phenomenon. In the beginning, we were talking about these entities. And I guess I want, and I think I've asked this before, but I want clarification again,

these beings, these, this call them other, I don't know what to call them. Moulters. What'd you call him? I call them molters, multers, where they would possess one body,

and when they're done, they will molt that body and then possess another. And so when we see them out of body, they look like what their body is. It's like, okay, the body itself is the complete materialization of the consciousness possessing them. I say it like this,

because Dr. and Stevens had cases where people were saying, okay, I had past lives. Oh, really? Yeah. So they would talk to the, right, the person. Who are you? This is where I lived. Then they would go pull the actual person up and they would look identical.

So that's what I think these beings are doing. So what that would mean is we would, that number one, they are physical here. That is not just our imagination, but I probably messed that up. No, no, that's actually where I was going with it. Like, are they actually physically here? here. I believe that 100%. And when that body dies, they'll already have another woman with a fetus that they can tickle. So when they're actually here, do they look like a human being? Yes, absolutely. Okay. So they're actually here. They actually look like a human being. They're not a

human being. Their consciousness is in, I don't think. I still, so that's where the hybrid. That's where the hybridation comes in. Yes. Yes. And I'm going to point to this too, because I did a lecture at the awakening actually a month ago this past week, a year ago this past week. And it was called the Moulters,

the host, the hybrid, and the copy. We were always led to believe, even the demonology, and the morphology, that the host

was the woman, right? Oh, even in possession case. Oh, yeah, she's the host and the entity is the parasite. That's not true.

The host is the fetus. The host is the fetus. does defeat us. And in possession literature, even with Fritz Kramer, he talks about in, and this, again, it's molding us in its image. That's what it wants. It's called a social skin. But in Fritz Kramer's research, it's an anthropologist, he was in Africa. One of these things manifested, but it was manifestation through possession. So it's possessing one of their priests. And they're doing one of their rituals. And Fritz Kramer didn't understand what it was, right? He's an anthropologist. He's seen ritual magic before. but just transited them all. Remember what I said? They're doing something way different. Some are the same elements a little bit, but they're doing something different. And he's looking at this priest, and this priest is taking a knife and he's starting to cut.

And he had already had enough scar tissue to where he looked like a white man, right? The flesh was coming inside out, and it turned gray. And so his whole body's a different color. And so, Fritz Kramer asked him, he said, to his guide, he said, what is he doing? He said the entity is an ancestor, and he's trying to make himself into the image of the person possessing her. This is, it's disturbing. But yeah, so it is making us, at least that's their pathology. I'm going to make something in my image.

I'm going to possess it. Now, I can take this down to a different thing, too, which about the oove and ancient instruments of necromancey and kind of blend those together if you want. not today no you're you're you're you're you're kind of like stretching my bandwidth right now it could be too much and I apologize no it's not it's not too much

in the sense that you should apologize it's it's just you're really like dropping like bombs here and I love it I'm just trying to to catch it all as we go this is this is just wild stuff

So how does this, how does this stuff then in, in like, maybe more generic terms, everything we're talking about today, how does it kind of take us and relate to us in today, and literally today with the way UIFology is going, the UAP, the disclosure stuff? Like, are we, like, are you starting to feel, and maybe you're trying to convey this messaging that a lot of this stuff that we're experiencing with disclosure has a lot to do with this stuff. Like you and I were talking about earlier how, I think maybe even before we start recording about how like people like Tucker Carlson's like, it's dark. I can't talk about it. And it's like, and I'm over here sitting thinking like, come on, dude.

Like, like, ain't that like, just talk to me. I'll catch it. But if it's what you're talking about, It's not like I can't like handle it, but it's like, I'm trying to wrap my mind around it, you know? Yeah. There have been times where I knew what I knew, you know, I didn't want to know it. I mean, if you look at some of the responses by Diana Pusuka, by Tucker Carlson, at least I always thought, well, like, I could handle that, you know, demons. That's great. You know, we just lay hands on them. We're good.

That's all we have to do. I think because of some of the nuances that we were getting from them about the phenomenon, right? And I believe, okay, it fits into my blueprint. Therefore, I have framework, right? I can understand this. And then if it comes down to it, I know what I can do to deal with. I think that's what the Colon of the Elite Reist realized, right? They approached them, oh, okay, I got it.

I got it. Oh, my God, what's that? Tom Carleson, right? And again, because it had aspects of theology in it, We believed, okay, we're good to go. But disclosure, okay, if our model of the phenomenon is wrong, then our time frame of disclosure is wrong. If our model of the phenomenon is right, disclosure already happened.

It happened when the first altars were built. That was disclosure. Everything beyond that has been the phenomenon trying to control its own narrative. Wow. So you're saying that that's kind of where we're at right now. That's exactly where we're at. Absolutely. And now, from my perspective, it's a race for time.

The phenomenon is dropping meta materials looking for a practitioner or many to come and unite with that strength. And I think our government's doing the same thing. They know this isn't for us. It's for somebody else. But if we find them first, we may have a shot. So where does this fit in with Christian theology when it comes to adversaries of God? Are these things fitting that category? Are they kind of outside this category? How do you view that? I think you have a bloodline. I think you have a bloodline. I think that it would be one God versus them. I think that we would be looking at Sauramon a lot like Sauramon.

I hate to put it like that, but from a world of the rings, you know, somebody that operates in spaces that we didn't even know existed, that we would not be prepared for if we met them, that demand worship. One of my good friends, I mentioned him in this show earlier, but in one of his investigations, the press psychologist,

in one of his investigations, he was out in the woods at nighttime. It's a twisted tree. There's him and his other research partner standing in front of the tree. A cold wind blows through them. He said, Nathaniel, we knew that whatever they are,

they were there and he said in unison of multiple voices came to them from the darkness bow down and worship us he told me he looked right in my eyes he said nathaniel they want to be worshipped and they'll give you whatever you want if you worship them so whatever that is narcissism doesn't fit it it's the earthly term right psychopathy doesn't really fit it We would be kind of looking at Nosferatu when he told that gentleman in the movie, you will demand, you will call me, Lord, because of my bloodline. Whatever that is, it would be either an ascended master or a deity. So, all right, you mentioned Heiser earlier, and he famously brought up and brought into play

a scripture that probably has been, you know, avoided for a long time, Psalm 82. You know, we don't really have a micro-focused definition of the Elohim that are in that scripture. It's just this idea, from what I understand, it's this idea that it's like you got the Elohim talking to other Elohim that fall underneath his creation. what you're talking about here seems like it's if not that an element of that yeah so there's there's always been a long argument in academia between the refaim and the repuumai you know the reffaim of course was just a the concrete term for the dead or the deceased in the Bible but the term reca umi you get rid of literature which some scholars believe the Reckayune came from the concept was that there were people that could die or did die,

and that when they were in that liminal stage of life and death, whatever that was, was in a different species. And that came back to invade. And so, and that's a whole other show, too. But my point here is that I think the reason that a lot of us are struggling to articulate what these are is because we've never, we've never been, we've never heard about them. We didn't know they even existed. We just believed, again, at least my perspective,

I thought, okay, it's black and white. It's good and bad. Whatever these beings are, they seem to be liminal in every dimension. I mean, the closest thing I've seen would be somebody that's out of their own body. And so, and we see them out of their body. We don't know what that is. But that's what I think they are, is that something, you know, it's not that they died and evolved like some Elohim, right, like Samuel did,

which that be controversial. But instead, there was a sense of de-evolution, and now they have to preserve their own existence. And the way they do that is to stay embodied as long as possible, to constantly replicate. Jeez. Well, in that sense, then, it seems like they... Because I think what you just said, in a sense,

there could be people that are like, oh, so they're not that bad, if they're kind of like off on their because it almost sounded like what you were saying was like it's like they sit back and they look at the cosmos and everything like listen I don't got a dog in any of that fight like that ain't that ain't me but like if with what you just ended on that alone seems like this is very anti

god's creation and it would be parasitic paracitic is a great way to describe it brother the ink of us in parasitism okay pericistin is defined by one species invading another species but the way that one species invades the other species is by blending in with it that was christian poly in christology when he was talking about the ante it's not the ante if it was the ante We'd have an easy job vetment. You don't like it.

You're anti. It's not always doing. It's blending in. In one of the parasitic nuances is that it introduces the dupe, which is something that looks a part of reality, but it's not. Once it gets inside of you, only then, again, we're not conjuring them. They're conjuring us, but once it gets inside of you. Only then do you realize that this is parasitic.

This is not, right? This isn't the Yeshua of the first century. This isn't my dear and Edna. This is not my Uncle Ted. These are not my guides. Matter of fact, can I go down this pit, this rebel? They're not even horns and hobs. That's not even enough to articulate what they are.

That's the dupe. Designed to commandeer another species. Nathaniel Gillis, welcome to the confessionals, sir. Holy cow, man. I can't, listen, the next time I talk to your rear ends in the studio, like, I have to, I like, let's do it, bro, let's do it. I cannot sit and talk to you again looking at a, at a teleprompter. Like, I refuse to do it moving forward.

So, listen, we're going to, I want to do this because then I'm, bro, I'm going to, I'm going to probably spent, I'm going to probably spend like five hours with you. That's cool, man. We'll do it. So let me ask you, I want you to let people know where they can find you. And have you written any books? Because it sounds like you've written books. I wrote a moment called man, which is an homage to

Catholicism, which I grew up in. I lost a good friend to addiction because church hurt. And so I deal with church hurt, hoping to reach people that were like Brandon. But other than that, I'm writing the skin that crawls, which is about paracetism and symbiotic, yeah, the symbiotic relationship between us and the phenomenon possession of pregnancy, or everything we've talked about, which I'll be introducing in that book. It's going to be a cursory introduction to a work called necronetics, which, again, it's not that I'm a practitioner. I'm not. I studied demonology and I studied demonology and I had to talk about because they think I'm not what. But yeah, so that's what I'm writing.

And I'm wanting to get a degree in this because I think that the field needs it. We don't really have, we have people that are huge in eschatology, which I think is very true. We don't have people that are coming from this perspective with degrees, right? And that's so terrorist isn't enough to sit down and have conversations that are important. But that's me. You guys can find me on Instagram. If you guys want, you guys can go to my YouTube channel. I have a playlist of all of my interviews.

and I think it's up to 150 just on YouTube. Jeez, man. I'm late to the party, but I'm glad I'm here now. I'm glad I'm here now. This is great. What is this one cost? It's just another carcress on another carcass. They just say it's momless.

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