The Confessionals - 752: Born For War In The Unseen Realm

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Description:In episode 752: Born For War In The Unseen Realm, Tony is joined by Mike, who shares a lifetime of chilling encounters that trace back to one fateful Halloween night. As a young boy, Mike had a shocking run-in with a man in a red devil costume; a sinister encounter that seemed harmless at first, until strange changes began taking over his life. From being drawn into dark dreams and blacking out while creating violent drawings, to speaking with mirror entities and losing toys to unseen forces, Mike’s story unfolds into a tapestry of spiritual oppression and eerie visitations.But the darkness didn’t stop there. Mike details haunting experiences with shadow figures, entities whispering by his bedside, cursed objects, and a bizarre connection to a haunted book that seemed to literally pull him inside its pages. As Tony and Mike dig deeper, the pieces start to fit together; encounters with Lilith, strange ties to Freemasonry, and a chilling family connection to Disney World’s darker secrets all paint a picture of spiritual warfare that began in childhood and escalated into adulthood. It's an episode packed with hauntings, hidden forces, and spiritual battles, and it all started with a simple grab of the wrist.Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducer

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But either way, we're trusting in God step by step through this process. And we want to say thank you for walking with us. We love you all. Thank you so much. Merkel. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it and then disappear.

When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

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All right. today we have Mike on the show. Mike, what's going on, man? Hey, Tony. How you doing? Man, I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I wish this could be done in person. I know we were talking about. We were flirting with the idea, especially like having a guy from the Ben Salem area. Are you kidding me? Did I ever tell you? I'm not even sure because you and I sat down to talk and do this a while back and didn't happen. But I have an episode focused on Ben Salem too. Did I ever tell you that? I listened to it actually. And there were things in that episode. So my wife is actually from Ben Salem and I'm used to that area being up there all the time. And there were things that were mentioned in that episode where I was like, I've experienced that being in that area.

Really? Just random, weird things. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. The craziest thing I've experienced in Ben Salem was the tornado that went through there a few years ago. Unfortunately, I wasn't driving my tractor trailer at the time through there. And the floods that happened, I think it's on State Road or Street Road.

I can't remember what road it is, but there's a road in Ben, Salem that's right next to the river that has a lot of like, steel industry. Oh yeah, that's State Road, yeah. And sometimes that thing would flood and that was fun to drive the truck through. I can imagine. Those are the weirdest things that I've experienced though, but I'm sure there's a lot we're a lot weirder up there for sure. But we're not here to talk about Ben Salem today.

Maybe it'll be worked in this story. I don't know. But you are, you know, you're from the area that I moved away from. And you have some wild stuff. If I went through this entire list of things that you shared, just to try to hit the, you know, the highlights, we'd be here for 30 minutes. So I'll just tell people this. You have a lot of experiences and some of it's relatable to, you know, what we've experienced with the show before, certain types of books. I had an episode as a member episode. I think I call it the Red Portal book or something like that. And the guy, talked about how he and his friends broke into like an abandoned house. And they found like this, like, I think it was like a hand-drawn layout of the house in the kitchen. And they were going through the house and stuff. And they went into a bedroom, I think it was. And in the closet,

there was a door on the back side of the closet that wasn't on the blueprint that they found. and when they went in there, like the entire environment changed, and this room became like a room of books. And there was a window, and they went in at night, but the window was shining daylight. And they wound up taking the book out and with them. And lots of bad things happened when they opened the book and released whatever was attached to that book. I don't know, but it was a wild story. So we have people who have, you know, different book experiences, obviously episode 690. was one of those. And you have one where, you know, you had this book and it kind of like,

for lack of better terms, it's crazy as it sounds, they sucked you in. And I'll let you share those details. But you've also dealt with Lilith and you've been offered contracts by what you perceive to be the devil. I'd like to get more information on that too, because a lot of people that I've come across have been offered contracts or at least, you know, verbal agreements of, you know, recruitment to work for these entities. And most people are dealing with several different entities. Like, you know, a person A over here is dealing with ball. Person B over here is dealing with another ancient God. And it's just like I've had four confirmed cases of ancient deity, I think it's four, three or four of some kind of entity deity. And one, that, the one that I'm thinking of that

isn't confirmed is because he didn't catch a name. Actually, there's two. of them now. So I'm interested in your story. So what I'm trying to say. This last five is me saying, I'm interested in what you have to say. So, but before we get there, I want to start off at the beginning because a lot of times when people are sharing their experiences, they don't always have it in the chronological order that you do. I think it's probably best if we just start off from, you know, in this case, literal birth. Yeah, yeah, literal, yeah. And also just so people know, if they, if they hear a baby in the background, it's because you just, your wife just had a Yeah, yeah.

So congratulations. Thank you. Yeah. It's like two and a half weeks old. Wow. Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah.

So let's let's dive in. So the first two stories, I don't really remember myself because I was, I mean, basically zero to three years old, which is weird because I have some memories from when I was like two or three, but they're just scattered. But when I was born, my parents, we were living. in this house that they rented. And I don't know, it didn't seem like there was anything too peculiar about the house. It was tiny.

What was strange about it was that there was this little shack out front. And there was always these rumors, which, again, I didn't learn about so much later, but that there was an old witch that lived in this, like an actual witch that lived in this cottage. And I don't know, like the stories where the teenagers would try and sneak up and look in the windows and stuff. And it was just, I don't know, it was his lore. But one day, and my dad just told me this story maybe five years ago. So it was more recent.

We were talking about the old house and things that we remember because I was bringing up memories that I had. And my mom's like, I don't know how you remember that. You were like two years old. There's no way. And my dad was telling me this story that one day, he was actually work across the street for an auction. And he had all kinds of weird things.

So maybe he brought something home. at some point in time because he'd bring things from old houses hundreds of years old. But he happened to be outside. We had the two dogs in the yard. I was playing with the dogs. And he said he looked across the or into the street and he noticed that this woman, everyone perceived to be a witch, was walking across the street. And it was a busy road.

It wasn't a highway, but it was like, the speed of them was like 45 and people usually did like 60 on there. He says there was a 53 foot tractor trailer coming down the road. He could see probably like, half mile away. And she's walking across the street and she's in this long, like to the floor gown, all black gown. And she's walking across the street and her foot apparently got tangled in the dress and she went down in the middle of the road and was tangled and could not get up. And my dad said he was just watching like, I'm going to witness this woman get run over. And this is

crazy. And he's just standing there. Like there was nothing he could do. You know, you have no time. It's 53 foot truck trailer goes right. down the road and he's like just waiting to you can't believe his eyes when it goes past she's just walking across the other side of the street like nothing ever happened like she was never down in the middle of the road and he's like all right i don't know what happened i don't know what that was all about but so that's the the story of the the witch in the cottage that makes you wonder that makes you wonder if the trucker even had had seen her at all i mean yeah because your dad doesn't say that the trucker slowed down and all like, oh, no, I'm going to hit a lady.

Nope. That's interesting. Truck trailer never slowed down. But, all right, so let me ask you this. It's confirmed that this lady existed, though. This wasn't like something that your dad was like under the influence of something and like, nothing was confirmed by, like they would. So when you work for the auction on through the week, they would clean out houses.

But on the weekends, they would just be sitting around the auction, just helping people when they bought stuff. So a lot of times they'd be sitting outside. And all the guys that worked there, they'd be. play games with like, who's going to go knock on the door, who's going to go look in the way. Yeah, they all knew. So, yeah.

Wow. Wow. Yeah. Because, I mean, that's, that's crazy. I mean, I just, it makes you wonder what the trucker saw. It makes you wonder what the trucker saw. So, I mean, I guess from the jump street of your life, you've been around this kind of craziness, which, you know, we might be able to connect dots here later on in this conversation.

But, yeah, keep the going, man. Okay. So that was pretty much the only thing that really stuck out when I remember the old house. But when I was three years old, we moved in to the house. My parents are still currently in. And that is important because that will come up later. But I don't know. When we moved in, it just as a kid, I had weird feelings about it.

And then apparently my dogs wouldn't go into certain rooms in the house for years. And just kind of odd, but whatever. think too much of it. And then my dad was, even though he was a, he still is a truck driver, he worked harder at home when he was on vacation than he did it work, building out the house. Like it was a little rancher and now it's beautiful. But no matter what he tried to do, it didn't matter what project. It could be the simplest thing would always go wrong. It would take the whole day to accomplish anything. And he used to be like, it's this house. We bought this house from what he told me later on was that the

previous owner of the house was a free mason. He wasn't sure what degree or whatever, but he just knew that he was connected, had a lot of connections, and he was a freemason, and he had the house built. And he's like, I feel like because, so we grew up Catholic, and he's like, I feel like there's something there. There's some kind of like curse on this house. Anytime I try and do anything, it goes wrong.

Every little thing that could possibly happen, you know, would happen. And, well, just fast forward. So I always said that these weird things that I'm going to get into, I would see things or hear things in the house. And it is confirmed. We have video footage two years ago. We went away for a whole family, a trip to the beach. And my dad put out cameras everywhere because he had someone coming over to watch the dog. And you just, I don't want to make sure no one steals anything or whatever. And we wake up one morning and he goes, you'll never believe this. I got an alert on the phone.

He's like, someone's stealing, whatever they're going in the room, they're not supposed to me. And he looks at his phone, and he couldn't believe. He's like, are you guys seeing this?

And sure enough, there's a movement, and it looks like the form of a person, it's some kind of form, but it moves across the screen. It's a white, like all white shadow that just moves across the screen. And that week,

it happened three times, three different times. How long did your parents, lived there before they catch something on video? He moved in in 2000 and that was 20, 23. Jeez.

Yeah. Wow. Okay, so they had, up to that point they had suspicion. Well, okay, so apparently this came out when all that came up was they blamed me. All the statues that they had, all the different

like knick-knacks and stuff would be turned facing different directions. every morning. And so when I woke up that morning at the beach, my dad's like, hey, a question for you, remember all those years ago, the statute would be turned? Were you the one turning them? And I was like, no, I've been, how many times do I have to tell you this? No. And he goes, well, I finally believe you. And I'm like, what are you talking about? He shows me that video. And I'm like, wow. Yeah. Anything religious would be turned the other way. Yeah. Was the room that he caught it in, one of the rooms of dogs wouldn't go near?

Yep. It was the room. Wow. Wow. So do you think that was something to do with the Freemason aspect or do you think it was? I mean, the room was the master bedroom. I don't know. I don't know if that's like, it's just speculation at this point. I don't know what was going on. And the people seem nice enough. It was a couple, middle-aged couple. They seemed nice enough. They didn't seem like there was anything going on there. But I guess you never know. Hmm, interesting. Or, and then, okay, this probably adds something to it as well. So this house was new that they built before we moved in. The land, though, used to be a farm, and actually the main farmhouse still exists, and their neighbors are still living in it.

And they talk about how on the third floor of the house, They don't go up there past 6 p.m. because something guards the top. And so a known thing. It's just, it's haunted. It's really old. The house is like 200 years old. They don't go up there. You know, not a big deal.

The people who owned that house before, I lived there for like 25 years. And she had a fairy garden in the yard as well that she said she would go in and talk to spirits. And what do you mean talking to spirits? When I hear that, I think of talking to ghosts or talking to, And she said, no, no, these little like fairies, these little things that hide in the trees and they'll come out. And we all just thought she was nuts. But knowing what I know now, I'm second guessing. Yeah, she probably wasn't nuts at all. She just, she lived in a different type of reality than most of the normies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that's interesting. So the thing that was standing at the time, this whole property, your dad's property, the old house that just referenced. Is that all in Ben Salem? No.

So this is actually in like Concordville, PA. So it's about 40 minutes outside of Ben Salem. And it's, the property is, I mean, the whole thing used to be, if you look at it from an aerial view, it's like one big rectangle

and then was divided into different sections. So there's about one, two, three, about six or seven houses on the entire outline of the land. And all the houses are new except for that existing, you have the existing house and the existing barn that's there, which funny enough, when they divided it, the people who own the house don't own the barn. It's actually a other neighbor that owns the barn. And he talks about some weird things happen in the barn, but he doesn't go out there really that often. He just says, I mean, he's more of a, he believes in more logical things because he's a cop, a detective.

He was in the SWA, FBI, all these things. And so he's like, yeah, every now and then when I go out into the barn, I get an eerie feeling. And that's, let's just leave it there. Like, okay. And funny enough, as a kid, we didn't really go exploring in there too much either. But we had enough things happening to us. Yeah, I guess so. I'm already thinking like, man, I would be hanging out there a lot probably.

Yeah, I had to look it up because you mentioned Concordville. And I don't know. I feel like Conquerville is further than 40 minutes from Ben Salem, but you would know better than I would go to your dad's place. I'll be honest here. I don't know if I'm incriminating myself here, but I would do it in 45 minutes in my car. But I had a sports car. I got you. I got you. Okay. I used to run that area. Like, I used to run Ben Salem, but then I think before Ben Salem, I run Southern Chester County, which is considered that, you know, below Westchester. And I was just like, wait a second, 40 minutes. I don't know, but now it makes sense.

My time's a little skewed, but... Yeah, yeah, I got you. Just so people understand what I'm talking about. Ben Salem is north of northeast Philadelphia, and Concordville is south of South Philadelphia. So, like, we're going from one end of the city to the other quite fast. Yeah, I actually... Speaking of weird things that happened to me, I'll just go off on this real quick.

So one Sunday morning, and I was a little closer. I was actually leaving work at the time, and it was early morning. We had to stay for forced overtime. It was a Sunday morning, and I was going to church at 7, or, what was it, 8 a.m. And we got let out at 6 a.m. So I had to get all the way from, I worked at Wawa, loading trucks. So I left there at 6 a.m. to make it to her house to get changed and go to church with her and her family.

And so I was flooring it and there was no one on the road. I was on 95. And apparently there was a state trooper that was up on the bridge and I didn't see him on the on the on ramp. And I had slowed down. Otherwise, he wouldn't have caught me. But I had slowed down because I was just, I wasn't paying attention. I was all mad and everything. So he pulls me over and he's like, do you know how fast you were going?

And you know 95. 95 is a 55 mile an hour zone. He's like, you were doing 150. I was like, okay, he's like, are you in a rush to get somewhere? I'm like, yeah, kind of. He's like, all right, well, then this won't take any time at all. And I was like expecting him to rip me out of my car, none of that. Gives me all my information back and says, okay, just look for a citation in the mail and try to slow down. What?

That's like lose your license territory. Well, so I hired a lawyer. We went to court. We got a knock down to only doing 16 over. and then still wasn't what either of us wanted. So we'll appeal it. We appealed it and the court system shut down because of COVID. When they finally opened up again, I got a court date when I went back in.

They said, okay, is the police officer here? No. Okay, do we want to continue? Yes, whole thing's wiped and got it off my record. Wow. And then I find out later that my lawyer told me, he said, yeah, that cop is no longer on the force anymore. So that's why he didn't show up. Wow.

Well, so. you got lucky man you got lucky i've heard people getting arrested for that for that kind of stuff very lucky very lucky i um i since sold that car and uh i am now a dad of three and uh yeah so uh to to to keep from incriminating i would say somebody that i know uh had an 85 i think it was an 85 mustang 5-0 totally souped up and uh he was he was going so fast that he he blew by a cop, didn't even know the cop was chasing him. He pulls into a park or to a gas station, gets out, goes in, gets food, comes back out to his car. The cop's just pulling in.

And the cops like, give me your license now. But anyways, back on topic here. So ages three to zero to three, basically you have the witch that you're, that your dad really had the experience with and living in the Freemason House and the property and all that. But things seem to really kind of kick off when you're eight years old here. Yeah.

So again, I mentioned that I grew up Catholic. And so up until, I guess right before seven years old, I was in Catechism class. And I bring this up because it really shows the contrast. I was in Catechism class studying for my first Holy Communion. And for whatever reason, my teacher told me that she's like, you know, when you receive first holy communion, if you receive for seven days every day after that and you ask for the name of your guardian angel, you'll be shown the name of your guardian angel. And I remember being so upset because where we went to church only had mass on Sundays. And so I couldn't do it.

And I remember that just like I was just this perfect little pure innocent kid. and then one year later at eight years old, it was Halloween night. I'll never forget this. I was dressed as Terrell Owens when he played for the Eagles. And it was me and my parents were both there and my sister, one or two of my sisters were there and my parents' friend, or sorry, my friend's parents were there as well.

And it was a normal Halloween night. We were in a, say, well-to-do area. and in this cul-de-sac, and we're going from house to house with all these other kids. And at one point, I don't know if it was my dad or his dad, I could tell that we were getting bored because we had to hang back,

or they were pulling my sisters in the wagon or whatever. I'm like, you know what, you guys go ahead, you guys go up in front of us, we'll hang back here. Okay, cool. So we start running and hitting all the houses as quick as we can get as much candy

and running through the cul-de-sac. And we start going further back into the cul-de-sac, and the further back we went, the houses were getting bigger and bigger and nicer. And at one point, all the street lights were out. Like, there was a point where there was no more street lights and the houses were, I mean, millions of dollars as we started going further back. And we're like, I guess, I don't know, I guess there's no one, you know, left. There's no lights and we don't see anything.

Like, I guess there's no candy. We went to a couple houses. There was nothing. And then we saw this one house all the way, like, even further back. and it was all glowing red. Like, oh, they got to have candy. And so we get there and we're standing there at the foot of the steps to go up to the porch. And my buddy's like, I don't know, man, this feels weird.

I'm like, look, there's a whole. And the funny thing is it was like a cauldron of candy. Like, it was huge right in the middle. And what we saw over on the very corner of the deck was this statue, we thought. of this, look like this whole red devil sitting in a rocking chair, like a six foot four statue. Well,

it wasn't a statue. It was a guy in a devil costume sitting there. And because when we ran up, my buddy ran up the steps, grabbed candy real quick and ran back down. He said, all, your turn.

And the guy had turned his head. We're like, ah, freaked out. And he's like, ah, he didn't move. So I'm like, all right,

well, I'm going to go get my candy. And I ran off the steps, and it reached into the pot. And next day I know, It was like from a movie almost where I'm just I got my eyes on the prize. I got my hand in the thing. I'm grabbing the candy and this huge hand grabs my wrist. I look over and I'm just in shock.

And this guy is like six foot four, six foot five, full red devil outfit. And he's holding on my wrist with a big smile on his face. And I'm just like, I don't know, I'm in shock almost. And he starts saying something, but I can't make out what he's saying. And at first I thought it was because I was so scared that I couldn't hear what he was saying. And the more and more and more, I was able to almost like meditate on it and put myself back into that moment. I realized he was like chanting something. And so afterwards, he held on for, I mean, it felt like forever, but it was probably about a minute.

And he let go on my wrist and had a big smile on his face. chuckled and then just said, get your candy and walk back and sat in the chair. So it's like, well, I'm here now and this already happened. So shove all this candy in my bag or whatever and run. Didn't think anything of it. That happened. You know, it's history.

It wasn't until maybe a couple years ago when I started listening to your shows and other people's experience and kind of diving deeper into things that happened to me, that I realize that there's definitely something to that. I mean, I don't know if you've had this on your show or not. I've listened to a couple people talking about how on Halloween they will curse the curses on the candy. So that way, spirits will follow the children home so they can keep tabs on them. So I haven't had that on the show as far as that specific idea. But the idea of attaching things to objects so people take it home is something.

that it's yeah. I mean, and that's something that I don't know if people really think about a whole lot, to be honest with you, when it comes to the Halloween thing, is, honestly, I don't know if I've ever thought of it until now. Like, you have all these kids running around taking property of somebody else's home with them. And those people are giving you the property. And there's an actual exchange. of ownership and what's connected to that. That's very interesting. Wow. Yeah, I mean, because of that, like last year, we let my sons go around the neighborhood, but we only went to houses that we, like, knew, like, just for the experience, just to walk around, whatever. But because of that, I'm, like,

very aware of what might or could happen. You never know who's hiding in a plate site. you know, what their ulterior motives are. So, but yeah, so from that point on, again, didn't think anything of it. From that point on, things happened. And I don't really remember the change except for, so I'm the oldest in my family. And, you know, they say, and you can relate to this as well, with your oldest, as a parent, you're learning right along with the old. child. Okay. Well, at some point, you know, at eight years old, there was a switch where I was the, you know, the golden boy or whatever, because it was me and then three sisters. I always got what I wanted.

I always, you know, I was a bit spoiled. And I couldn't do anything wrong. When I was around, you know, right after eight years old, it seemed like I could do nothing, right? And as a kid, not processing it, it was like everything I did. was wrong. Everything I did, my parents were like, why do you have to be that that way? Why do you have to be so evil? Why do you have to? And I'm like, why are they saying I'm evil? Like, I'm just being a kid. I'm just doing the, but looking back now, I realize what I was doing is not normal kid stuff. Um, for one is I would draw a lot and I would black out when I would draw. I would start drawing and next thing I know, I'd wake up and the picture would be completed.

And every picture, it was like I had this obsession with like ultraviolence. And I don't know where this came from. But it was like every drawing was like someone getting their head chopped off or arms or limbs or whatever. People burning. Like every drawing. That or skulls. Again, to me, I was like, hey, look, I can draw. this really well.

Like, look what I drew, but not realizing. And I remember at one point, my dad's like, why can you draw anything nice? Why can't draw anything? Like,

I'm like, I don't know. I can't. Anytime, literally anytime I touched a pen to a paper or pencil or whatever, it didn't matter what it was. That's what would come out of it. Well,

the guy who grabbed your wrist, obviously that's a trigger event but maybe you'll cover this later but I just I have to ask you before I forget do you know where this house is still which the the guy who grabbed your wrist like if you want to go back there I know the development but I can't remember which house it is and I don't know I haven't been there since so I don't know or like since those ages so I don't know if there was any renovations done or any like but I can What name is it? What town was it?

What town was this in? This was in Garnet Valley, Pennsylvania. Where? Garnet Valley. Garnet Valley. It used to be, oh, what was the name of it before? They just recently, within the past, like, eight years changed it to Garnet Valley. But there's a high school called Garnet Valley High School, and then they just changed the entire area to the name.

But it's a well-off area. Okay, yeah, I got you now. Garnet Valley. I never made it down that way. whole lot when I was driving. That's why I didn't recognize it. Funny enough, it's actually the development. If you go to this high school on that road, it's Smith Ridge Road, and then you come up to the light where it's Smithbridge and... Chester Highway? Other way. Okay. Other direction. The four-way stoplight.

Kirk Road. Temple Road. Kirk Road. Yep. So if you go down Kirk Road, it's that first development on the left. Okay, okay. So I'm looking right at it now. And you said it was in the back of a cul-de-sac? Yeah, it was like... So Jones Drive then. No, no, granted, it was dark. I just remember walking down these streets. I remember coming up to this house. It looked huge. It was all glowing red. It was towards the back of this development. And I remember having the turn around. Like, we couldn't go any further. We had to turn around to go back to the house. So, yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at... six houses that could be. We're about to go back or anything.

It's just, I don't know. Yeah. Somebody's going to be like prowling that neighborhood now. They're like, heard about you on the confessionals. They're like, what the heck is that? Confess. Confess, you're the one.

I guarantee you somebody's going there now for Halloween. Yeah. Then we're looking for our lit up red house. That's interesting, though. Okay. So that's not the area that I would. would have picked this to happen, I guess, you know? I was thinking, to be honestly, I was thinking further down towards Kenneth Square. I was thinking, ah, it's a little creepy down there. But this is,

this is interesting. So, um, okay, so where do we go from here, man? Like you, like you, like you have this guy that drops a curse on you, you, you kind of start getting taken over by seemingly some kind of entity that's, that's, that's channeling through you. I mean, I don't know if you see it that way, but that's what it sounds like to me. So I didn't see it that way until, um, like three, four years ago, I guess like three years ago. I had my best friend that I grew up with. We had this big argument over something not related, but it just something came up.

It was like this long argument that happened. And within the argument, this had come up, this very thing. And we're no longer friends as of right now. But one of the things he said, he goes, do you remember when we were kids? like I was terrified for you. And I go, what are you talking about? And he said, he didn't like say exact ages or whatever,

but he just said there was a time where like, I was afraid to go into your room because there was, he's like, you were just, it was a mess and it felt dark and heavy in your room all the time. He's like, like, he's like only people who were bothered or disturbed lived the way that you were living. And I was like, I hadn't, I didn't see it for like that at all. I didn't see, like, I just thought I was a messy kid. I thought it was like, my room was a mess and stuff. And he's like, no, there was like this heavy feeling. He's like where I, that's why anytime

we come over, I'd want to play outside of your room. I would never want to go in your room. And I was like, let's, I don't know, at the time, it never occurred to me. All those questions I have now was like, why didn't my parents say anything? Like, why weren't they? They're like, yeah, clean up your room or whatever. Well, I mean, they did kind of call you evil, so why you being so evil? That is true. There's your sign. And I will say to this day, like me and my parents have a great relationship and we're there all the time and whatever.

So there's no hard feelings. It was just I think about now not having the information that I have and then raising my kids and then something like that happened to them, I would probably be in the same situation. They're like, what are you doing, whatever? at least now I'm aware of it. But anyway, so other weird things that would happen is I'd be playing with toys before bed. My mom would say, hey, right, put your toys away, go to bed. And I'd be like, okay, but I'm going to leave these specific toys out so I can play with them in the morning. And I'd put them on my dresser.

And every time I did that, I'd wake up in the morning and they'd be gone. And so I'd blame my mom, I'd blame my sisters. And they would say, we weren't in your room. Never touched those things. I don't know what you're talking about. And the funny thing is every time I would never find them. Like, not even years later. I would just never, they'd be gone forever.

They're still gone? Still gone. And still gone. Like, I moved out of that room. We turned that room upside down to get everything out of it. It's been remodeled. Like, gone, gone. There's other things that I just thought I was dreaming.

but there were definitely I hate even using these words because I don't know like I know they mean one thing and I don't really know what they are but there was these like little shadow being things that would come to me at night when I'd be sleeping

they were maybe only three foot, four foot tall and there'd be like three or four of them and they'd be all around my bed and I remember being so afraid not knowing what they were that I'd pull my I would always sleep my covers up to my neck anyway but I would like lock in and lock my body. And I remember like not telling myself like don't move, but I'd move my eyes to see if I can see them.

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Yeah. And what? They would just stand there? Well, they would stand there where they would hover around like to each other. And whispering. Just whispering. But they never, not that you can remember, grabbed you, touched you, anything like that? They did not know.

I mean, years later, I have other experience. like that, but not then. Without going to detail, years later, do you have any ET experiences? So, I'm not trying to make you jump. I'm not trying to make you jump. I just want to clarify, up until, and this is, before we even start recording,

you asked if I pay attention to the UFO, the things going on. And it never really interested me much, because when I was really young, my dad said to me, he goes, if people try to tell you that aliens are real. He's like, aliens may exist in what we perceive them to exist. He goes, but aliens at the core are demons. That's all they are. Aliens are demons. So when I got that through my head, I never really cared too much about aliens because it was like, at the end of the day, aliens seem a lot

or less scary than demons. So if I see an alien, I'm cool with that because what I'm seeing, what I'm seeing is freaking me out. But I've never had an alien. encounter until last year. I had three nights in a row. And we'll get to that. But it's... So I just bring it up because what you just described is so familiar to what people would describe as an ET experience.

Only, you know, like they saw the ETs. They saw the grades, you know. There's three, four of them standing around my bed. They were staring at me, you know, and then I fell asleep. And I don't know what happened, you know? Right. Or things like that. If you didn't say they were shadow figures that had no features, I think the natural conclusion

people would start picturing is, oh, great, gray ETs. He's having a great E.T. experience. Right. Which, you know, I would say maybe you still did. Maybe you still did. Maybe you had an aspect of the phenomenon that, you know, chose to reveal itself to you in a way that, you know, decided to reveal itself that way. But also, you know, your dad's saying that, you know, aliens or demons. I mean, I can't argue with the guy on that. I mean, that's where my gut tends to go a lot.

Demonic. You know, I think that people are, you know, experiencing demonic entities. I think they're experiencing fallen angelic entities. The watchers, like other ancient gods, you know, that are lowercase gods. I know you're raised Catholics. I'm not sure the theology that compared to what I have. But like, I think the spiritual realm is way more complex than just happy angels, bad angels, really bad angel. Satan and his minions that are demons, you know?

Like even that is wrong for traditional Christian theology because traditional Christian theology in the Western world would say that demons are fallen angels. They're the same exact thing. And so there's just Satan, fallen angels that are, we call demons, good angels, and God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, you know. But I think it's way, way, way, way more complex than that, right? But I don't, I don't, I don't, I think what people are experiencing a lot of the times is something like that. So that's why I just found it interesting.

The fact that you, the way you just described that whole thing was very similar to what somebody might experience with E.T. And, I mean, I can acknowledge that that does sound like that. It's just, that's what I saw, though. It was just a shadow. It was just, there was no definitive anything about them, except for them being shadows and about that tall.

I mean, so, like, with this, it's like, if it's not a gray E.T. that you physically saw, but you saw a shadow figure, or several, now we're in the territory of, well, what's the difference between having an experience with a shadow figure and you opening your eyes and seeing a reptilian standing in your room? You know what I'm saying? Like, if we're not going to be going and focusing on, you know, there was three or four gray ETs around your bed, but there was something around your bed, now we're opening up the door to

all this other stuff. And a lot of people suggest that there's a lot of different types of entities outside the grays that come and visit people. So, I mean, you could go so many different ways with it. It's just, part of my job is to make note of similarities to things. So I just wanted to do that. But I'll let you get back on track with things. And I will say, I'm telling the story now. And I'm like, this entire time we've been talking, I got chills, like reliving it because I can visually see everything is coming back to me.

So the other thing I would do, and it was like there was a lot of things that I would do that my parents want to talk about. Even to this day, they won't bring it up. I would, so during the wintertime, I mean, during the summer, I'd spend most of my time outside. I hated being indoors. But during the wintertime, it would get dark really early, and we lived in a smaller house. And my dad just always seemed to be, we know the type being stressed all the time, being truck driver and trying to work over time and being exhausted. And so he was just always on edge, it felt like. So the best thing for me to do.

Oh, and on top of him always being on edge, but then his son's evil. So I come home. All I want to do is rest. My kid doesn't let me rest. He's drawing demons and hanging him on my door and saying, Daddy, look, isn't that pretty? Exactly. Exactly. So I spent most of my time during the winter in my room just playing with my toys. And what would happen? And so to this day, I get like, what do they call that seasonal depression or whatever. So when it gets cold and you get all run down feeling. And I would have that, which is what I said it was all the time until I started remembering back where my mom would find me just passed out on my floor. Just thinking that would play so hard that I'd be. be passed out. And the reality of that would be, I'd be playing and then something would come over

to me, come over me in the sense of like just feeling so sad or depressed or not wanting to be in the current state that I was in. And so I would be like in a sitting position. I put my head on the floor and I closed my eyes and I would just do that and sit there. And I would like push my face into the floor because the further I would push my, this sounds really weird, but push my face into the floor, the darker would make everything that I was seeing. And what would happen is if I stayed there long enough, I would, what I thought was, fall asleep. But that would lead to really weird dreams.

And the question I have now, and I don't have an answer to it, is, were they actually dreams or was I meditating in a way that I was actually going places? Because those dreams are always so real feeling, but bizarre. I'd meet weird people there and weird characters there and just it was been so long ago that I can't give you a definitive dream that happened, but I just know that this would happen a lot for like two years of my life during the wintertime I would do this almost on a daily basis.

I remember just putting my head on the floor, pushing my face on the floor until it just went black and then just having these crazy dreams. what I called them. Now, again, there might just be nothing, but it's just part of what I remember during that time period. Did you ever have these quote-unquote dreams where it was like a continuation of a story? All the time.

It would pick up where it left off. Really? Almost like exactly where it left off? Within the same like vicinity. Yeah. Yeah. It almost felt like, This is going to sound weird, but as a kid, this is what I related to.

The most, like, adult movie I watched as a kid was Narnia. And when they would go back into the wardrobe and they'd pick up where they left off at Narnia, that's kind of what this was like for me. So when I watched this happened before I watched the movie. When I watched the movie, I was like, hey, that's what's happened with me. Yeah. Wow. Okay.

That's really interesting. That's really interesting. I don't think it's based on that is probably more to it than just silly dreams, you know. And I don't know where to put it. I just know that it was happening. Like even to this day, even with everything else that I tell you, I don't, at least I couldn't see any connections to that and things that I've, you know, witnessed or experienced. So. And the characters in these dreams, they're consistent, I'm assuming.

And are they human? Is there ever a character that's not human that seems off? There's, yes. I mean, there's humans, but there's all kinds of creatures in there. It was always like this, the premise was always this war going on. And it was never. It's always a freaking war, man. It's always a freaking war.

I was never in the war. Like even all of those times, they were never in the middle of action. But it was always this stress, feeling this, the stress of like, we're preparing for war. There's this other army out there. There's whatever out there. And we're preparing for war. And so everything that would happen. in those dreams, it was like preparing me to face this war that was going to eventually come.

And the war never came, at least in those dreams, never came. That's interesting because we have several people who talk about such things. So, you know, and my wife, she has really bizarre dreams. And most of the time they're not war dreams other than she's been recently, having dreams where they're very dystopian and apocalyptic and her and I are consistently separated and one one of us has one kid one has the other or she has both kids and uh you know shows how she what she thinks of me she's like of course I'm always with the kids and Tony's off doing something's probably out there slaying at Nephlin for fun and I'm over here trying

to survive the apocalypse uh but no it it's just they're very real dreams and yeah, not fun stuff. So you're having that stuff for two years straight. And they were always, because you bring this up, they were always like they weren't in current times or future time, or maybe they were future times, but it always seemed like past times, like need horses to get around, a lot of fields,

rarely any homes around, or there's no like new age construction or anything like that. It was always based like way back. So I don't. And no one I know. knew it was ever involved. Like, I don't know. And my family was never there.

My friends were never there. It was just me and these, whoever I encountered in the dream. Interesting. Interesting. Did you ever find yourself having abilities that don't seem human? I couldn't tell you. I don't remember, like, I just remember that the premise, but I don't remember the actual, like, what we did in each dream.

Okay. Where are we going here? I mean, it's like eight years old. Things really kick off for you. Yeah, that's just a couple more points. We don't have to go deep into them. But like, and so I say eight years old, this is really between like eight and eleven. I mean, there was, I was constantly waking up with what I call it.

night terrors, being fully drenched in sweat when I wake up and just having dreams where I was paralyzed. And then I didn't think anything of it. My dad has sleep paralysis where he'll have he'll go into this sleep, be completely paralyzed. But then the funny thing is, like, all of his dreams that he has are just dumb dreams. Like they don't make any sense. Or like the one time he said it was like a herd of cows, but kind of running after. at him, but he couldn't move. So it was scary. Like, they were going to trample him. So nothing significant there. So I just thought that's what I had.

Years later, I've had three experiences where that's not the case. But anyway, so just that's one thing. I always had these dreams from a very young age, waking up, sweaty. I'm looking at my notes now, and I'm realizing that if you just read these for what they are, I used to talk into the mirror when I was little. I used to before bed, when I'm getting ready for bed and brushing my teeth and stuff, I would just talk to myself in the mirror. And I used to, the longer I stared into the mirror and talked to myself,

the version of me in the mirror would actually be the one controlling the conversation. I don't know how I'll still explain it except for, like, I'd just be talking. Like I'm having a conversation with myself, having a conversation with myself. And then that other person, that voice that I was giving to that other version of me would take control of that conversation. I don't know how else to explain that. Do you mean it takes control as in like you find yourself from this side of the mirror saying whatever that thing is saying? And like, yeah. So you know how when you talk to yourself, you know everything.

Like you're saying things and balancing ideas off of another version of yourself that's saying like being more. logical or more, you know, whatever it might be. But the whole time you know that you're control of that conversation because you're the one with the thoughts and you know this. Now flip that. That voice that you're bouncing ideas off of is the one bouncing ideas off of you and you're like, well, hold on a minute. Wait a minute.

I have no, I'm not in control of this. I'm not like, these are not my thoughts. How long did that go on per, I guess, session? I mean, it varied. There was one session that lasted like an hour. I was in the bathroom for an hour and I know that because my mom finally knocked on the door and was like, you've been in here for like an hour. What are you doing in here? Go to bed.

Wow. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So we have you blacking out into other worlds and it seems like the other worlds might be coming to you through literal. portals. I mean, that's what a mirror would be. That's, that's kind of, it's kind of interesting.

It's very interesting, actually. It makes you wonder what version of you you were socializing with. Well, I wonder if it's I don't know my, I don't know my beliefs on, like I haven't hash this out completely, but like the

people talk about what is it, the multiverse, where there's different dimensions, different versions of you. I wonder if, because of what happened later in my life, it was almost like it was preparing me for that, like having someone else around, if that makes sense. I'm trying not to jump too far ahead. So let me just wrap this up.

All right. Keep going. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. The only other weird thing between those ages is, again, having that obsession with ultraviolence, everything, like, even when I start playing video games, I wanted the most like violent video games. It was like this weird obsession with like hurting people and killing people.

And then I, I call it energy vampire, but I know that's probably not the correct term. But I used to like feed off of people's energy. It's really weird. It's really, and this is going to kind of get sensitive. And it's funny because everything I stand for today is completely against what was

happening to me. but like when I was little this is this is tough when I was little and we'd be in church or out places if there were babies crying I'm talking like infants to two years old

if they were babies crying this thing came out in me and I say this thing because it wasn't me it clearly wasn't me that would like feed on it I don't know how to explain this. Mentally, because obviously I wouldn't physically be doing anything, it would be like making them want to cry more,

just feeding on it. And anytime I'd be in a vicinity of a crying baby. That's one of the most dark things that have happened to me. And one of the things that I knew for a fact that, wasn't me because who I am like since I was little I loved babies even to this day like they're I don't know I guess I just see like the purity in them and want to keep that or whatever but for whatever reason this period of time anytime I be around one that cried it was like this thing came out and just like wanted to like attack it and I don't know what that is I don't

know where it came from it was hard to deal with and this all happened after that guy grabbed your wrist. Yeah. Before that happened, before that event in Halloween, there was nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how this story ends yet,

but it seems to me like you, after that interaction you had, you definitely seem to have an attachment, you know, and I don't know what that attachment is. I know we're about to probably get into Lilith here. But, like, I mean, like enough said, really, I guess.

I didn't know it was Lilith until actually listening to your show when someone described the exact thing that I saw. And then when you guys hash it out said it was Lilith, and it was like, well, I guess that's what it was because that's exactly what I saw. I will say one last thing is like when my parents finally realized that this was an issue. My dad was like, well, you were already baptized, but maybe they forgot to do the, what's it called? The cross symbol? No, the exorcism. Maybe they forgot to do the exorcism.

So we're going to get you, we're not going to go through the entire baptism, but we're going to get you conditionally exercised. And I remember being like 12 or 13. And what's really weird about this is, and of course I didn't tell them this, but what was going on in my head during this event was like that other voice came back out in my head and started laughing. during the whole event and was like, they think this is going to work. Like, what is this?

And I just chalked it up to being like they're a rebellious team. Like, it was almost like that. For so long, you're told that you're evil or you're this or you're that, that becomes your identity and you're just kind of like you own it. And I kind of became that between like 13, 14, 14, 15. I was like, I'm just this guy. I'm going to own it. I'm the bad kid, whatever.

And so I don't know if it was just my ego. talking or if there was something else in me at that time going like, yeah, this isn't going to work. Because I didn't feel anything different. I didn't feel anything leave me. I was the same person before and after. So that happened. And then before we get into Lilith, this is where the book comes in.

So I'm sorry, I'm actually looking at my notes. before the book is the death of my great-grandfather. You know how they say that children have good intuitions about people? Just kind of like dogs. Like if a dog doesn't trust someone, you should be, look out. This is really sad, and this is, I'm going to talk about this, but because of this, I'm not going to be able to share this episode with my parents, or with my mom or my grandmother.

But my great-grandfather, from a very, very little age, a young age. I was terrified of him. Terrified of him. I was super loving with all my other grandparents, hugs and kisses. I wouldn't go near him. There's very few pictures of me with him.

Which is one thing. But the other weird thing is that he had this obsession with Disney World. And him and my great grandmother would go to Disney World all the time. What seemed like once a month would go to Disney World. bro. They were always going. And then when I talked to my grandmother, so that'd be her dad, she always said that like growing up, she always remembered him having all kinds of businesses. He was an entrepreneur. He was in the, he was a military police. And then he got out of that. He worked at a prison, but he also had all these other businesses that he would start and all these partners.

He was very successful. And he just, again, had this obsession with going to Disney World, just the two of them. no kids or anything. And I'm like, it's kind of weird. And they'd always bring stuff back from Disney World. And the more I researched now, especially into Disney World and things that go on there, especially things that underneath Disney World, it being, again, this is, I guess, speculation, but it depends on if you believe the sources or not, that there's like a whole intelligence agency and things going on under Disney World.

and I just have strange feelings that that's what he was involved in. And again, I can't bring this up to my mom or my grandmother because they both adored him. But I don't know, it was just, it was weird. So your connection to that is because they always went to Disney World? Disney World, he always wore this pinky ring with a weird symbol on it. he always had these a lot of people coming and going, his business partners. And anytime there's business partners,

would be around, same thing with that weird feeling. Like the, I used to call him like my spider senses would be tingling. They just felt off and weird. And again, I hope this is all just, being a kid.

I hope this was absolutely nothing. But just, there were too many connections that I was able to make that just seemed, like something was off at the very least. I don't know. It just seemed like it was all around. Like all these things were all around me everywhere I looked.

As I started looking back, especially doing the episode, I started putting everything into an outline. And I realized that like there's this stuff all around me. So weird. Yeah. I'm looking at a map of the tunnels right now. The theoretical tunnels, I suppose.

I think the tunnels are. confirmed. It's just what are they used for? Right. Which, the idea of human trafficking pops in my head and it's like... Are you familiar with the eyes on the right podcast?

I've heard of it. I forget what her name is, the host, but she had a guy on who from a very young age. He was from a powerful family and then he was kind of like they put them through years later so they could release and they put him through this like brainwashing and he forgot all about it but he started going through and remembering things and he remembered that

when he was a child his grandfather would work there and bring him through and he said that in those tunnels they'd keep children in cages and do all kinds of different things down there and so it's just it's a dark rabbit hole to go down and again if you don't trust the source it's I mean I know some people like Ian Carroll, unless he has written proof, which good for him because it allows the non-believers, you know, they can't dispute the things that he comes up with. Yeah. But anyway, to dive back in. So I reached a point in my life, I think it was like 14 or 15, where I realized, okay, well, passing out with my head on the floor isn't working anymore. and I lost my interest for drawing.

So I started taking interest in books. Oh, the reason I took an interest in books, I forgot to mention this part, is because of all of these things happening. My dad's like, that's it. It must be video games because I don't know if you remember around that time, but video games have subliminal messages

and they're making our kids go crazy and all that. So I was grounded, like, indefinitely from playing video games. So I started reading. So reading books. And I mean, I've read some good books that are like, suck you into the story. You feel like you're there. You can picture everything.

But when I read this book, this was not that. This was something completely different. And so I have the book here. This isn't the book that I initially read. But you ever hear the stories of the assassins, all the different assassins? They have this weird obsession with the book, Catcher in the Rye.

and I believe it was in Mel Gibson's movie conspiracy theory where he said, for whatever reason I have this obsession that any time I pass a bookstore and I see Catcher in the Rye, I have to buy it. But I've never read the book, but I have to buy every copy. Well, it's kind of what happened to me

is I read this book once and I happened to be in a bookstore and I saw it. And so I had to buy it. So this is the book. I don't know if you can see it. Okay. So anyone that knows Dean Coontz knows that he used to be very religious, super into his faith, and then he fell away from his faith. And I believe he has a similar story in background as Stephen King.

And all of his stories are based in religion of some sort or some aspect. So without spoiling the book, it's essentially, in this book, what the knight knows is about. It follows the story of a detective. And I mean, from page one, so there's a narration of the book.

He's like narrating what happened from a later time. Like he's like 40 or 50 years old now, and he's talking about weird cases that he had in his lifetime when he was maybe like 20 or 30. But what was weird about it from like, again,

like page one, is that when he was narrated, reading the book, like, he was talking about me. He was narrating me because I was now in the book. And I don't know how to describe that. And I know a lot of people would be like, yeah, that's what a good book does to you. It's like, no, this was different. Like, I was actually there in these events.

I don't know how to describe it. I don't know how else to describe it. I was there at my world seemed to, like, completely disappear. and it was just me in this world of the book. Was this a one-time thing, or did it happen every time you open it? Every time I open the book. To this day? I pick up right where I left off.

What? To this day? I haven't opened it since. When I finished the book, I closed it, and I never opened the book again. So this book has sat on my shelf, that I've never dared to read it again. Just give me one verse. Give me one line. Just open that thing up and just getting a chapter.

Give me a chapter. So I thought about reading it prior to our show. And I was like, no. I need to show up. What if this? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's why I didn't.

Now, it was probably a year after I read the book and things started getting weird again. I started hearing this voice outside of our house. I'm a big movie buff. So that's why I keep using them as examples. But you know how in Lord of the Rings that the voice that speaks from the ring to Frodo, it was like a voice like that, like trying to get me to come outside or trying to get me to do certain things. And like even when I was reading this book and I would take a break and I would shut it.

And I'd be sitting on the couch and like just kind of like come back in the focus. And I'd be in my living room. And we have these big like the outside doors, all glass, glass panel. And I'd be hearing this like whispering, they were like this voice, and I would look outside and I could see into the woods. And even though I know that physically it's impossible, that I can't see into the woods from where I was,

I would instantly get this like burned image into my head of this woman, this very raggedy spirit. This went on for a while, different weird footsteps. things not there, whatever. We'll come back to the book. Whenever my friends would come over, we would play Manhunt. And so, but what we would do is we would only have one of our buddies,

mostly because he was kind of a sucker, we would make him find us all, and we would all hide. There would be maybe 10 of us, and so he'd be counting. And this one day in particular, we went down the bottom of my property. and there's like an embankment in a little stream and there's this huge oak tree just on the other side of the stream and we were hiding at the embankment

and we had the big spotlight on the backyard and one thing I noticed is it was kind of weird that like this tree was kind of lit up like abnormally lit up to where like the spotlight could have hit it but not as much as it was like shining on it but I didn't think anything of it

and so we're waiting and hiding and I got this weird feeling like those spiny senses again and I look at the tree and there's this woman all in white hair all in her face and she's hanging big thick noose around her neck hanging from the tree and I'm just standing there in shock like it's not real I know it's not real because there's not a woman actually hanging from this tree and the longer I stared the more she started the move and like she's moving her head and the hair starting to come out of her face and I like in my head I instantly said like if I see your eyes like that's it like I got to move and so while this is happening

I tapped my buddies and I had two of them there and still to this day you can ask them and they'll say exactly what they saw so that's what I saw and I tapped them they both saw the same thing well so I tapped them and they looked at the tree and they went white as ghosts their eyes huge and we all got up and we ran inside but right inside and we're sitting there we're all shaken. And so I didn't tell them what I saw because I was like, well, I'm going to test this. I said, did you guys see that? I said, yeah. I said, where was it? They said, did the tree. And so, like, I was, like, really testing them. I said, what did you see? And both of them explaining the exact same thing. I saw the woman hanging with the long hair, almost like,

I've never seen the movie, but like the woman from the ring, I think it is. where she's like coming out of the TV and all. That thing was hanging in the tree, but it was still alive. It was like trying to move its face. And the research that I've done within the past year and a half, a lot of people say that that woman in white with the long, straggly hair is Lilith.

Yeah. Yeah. And Lilith also appears in an old hag form as well, depending on what kind of culture maybe but I know so that that old hag you didn't say the word hag

but that's kind of what you're describing. Yeah. That's Lilith as well. There's a lot of different archetypes of Lilith and also Lilith I believe there's a lot of

beings, entities, goddesses that take on different names depending on where the geographical location is, but it's all powered by the same. Right. So Jeremiah talks about the queen of heaven, and I believe the queen of heaven takes on different faces depending on where and why. Right. So, I mean, you could be battling Lilith and think that, okay, took care of that, but you have

haven't taken care of Ishtar yet. And it's the same thing. And so that's crazy. Yeah. And so I'm assuming there's more Lilith because usually Lilith doesn't just appear and then never come back. Well, Lilith is usually tied to one of the seven deadly sins. She's usually tied to lust.

And so throughout my life, I've had my struggles. But what's weird is that her appearing in dreams. Um, like, again, not, I could always tell a difference between a dream and like, I call them visions. I don't know if that's accurate, but like you can always tell a difference when you go to sleep and you had a dream and you wake up, you know, it's a dream. These visions will always happen. They'll get like, dreams will get disrupted and I'll just be put in the middle of this vision, whatever you want to call it. And there's been countless times where I've been in one of those and she's a peer. or things have been happening and it's her.

Like, it's just, it's, it's, I mean, there's times where she's standing at the edge of the bed and you just see these like teeth coming out in these eyes that are just like, I don't know how to describe it. It's disturbing. It's very disturbing. It's, I mean, I can, I don't think I want to talk about all of them. I'll just say that that's, it was a reoccurring thing for many, many years, these, these visions of her.

But, and we'll get back to her. I just wanted to finish up with the book. So after these things really had kicked off and that all happened, I went down the beach with my grandparents and my grandfather's like, pulled me aside. It was like real late one night. I was like,

let's go sit outside and talk. Okay, this is not going to be good. he said, I just wanted to talk to you about something that your dad was worried about. He said, he mentioned that you're having these things happen to you. Can you tell me about it? And some different things. And I said, you know, I started reading this book. And he goes, hold on, what's the book?

He started asking me all about this books. And he goes, what's the book about? I said, well, and this is after I finished the book. I was completely done with it at this point. I said, well, the book's actually about possession and reincarnation. A demon reincarnating over and over again as different bodies, possessing different people just to keep murdering and sacrificing and doing all these. And he's like, all right, we're going to focus right there.

You don't have to go any further. And he made a big deal about it. And the weird things, we were on a balcony. We were at the beach in Brigantine, New Jersey, on a golf course, my uncle's house. And I'm picturing, it's all dark, I can't see anything. And I'm picturing that I'm back at home where there's woods all around. while we're having this conversation, forgetting that we're on a golf course,

there's no wildlife except for maybe foxes and some rabbits or whatever. But the whole time we're having this conversation, there's this guttural growl below us, like on the ground below us, the entire time. And so of this day, I haven't asked my grandfather if he heard it. I don't know if he heard it if it was just me,

but the entire time we're having this conversation, there was this guttural growl coming from below us, which is just a weird thing. We had the conversation. We went to bed and that was it. It all seemed to be gone. Everything actually, after that conversation happened, everything seemed to go away for about a year.

Nothing weird, nothing strange happened. Everything went away for about a year. And then it kicked back up again. At this point, it's like 245, 3 o'clock in the morning, which is, again, plays into it. It's, I pull out of my driveway, make a left down my road. There's no street lights. It's all dark.

And I have my high beams on. And it's a long road and you can either go left or right, but at the end of the road is a driveway with a house. And they have a big, like, wood pile stacked up right at the front of the driveway. And so I have my high beams on and I'm like cruising down the road and I stop at the stop side. But as I'm approaching, I see this thing moving and it looks really skinny. really tall. And at first it didn't, I was like, oh, it's a deer. We have deer everywhere. And I've seen deer, you know, up on two feet trying to get things out of trees. Like, that's kind of what it looked like. It looked like it was up on its hind legs, um, trying to eat

something out of, whatever. Um, which is fine, which is normal, explainable. What was not explainable is as the closer I got, it realized, like, it's just in head, lights and it looks right at me but other deer they just freeze this thing turned and squared up to my car on two feet just looking at me and this thing was huge it was like probably seven foot tall um and it's just its eyes were like glowing green just looking right at me and so like i froze like i was like what am i seen like what is i thought it was a deer but like this this is weird and it just stood there for like a second or a couple seconds and it's looking at me and then just turns and walks away not on four like on two legs just walks just walks into the shadows and just disappears