The Confessionals - 756: Second Heaven Soul Hunters

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Description:In episode 756: Second Heaven Soul Hunters, Tony is joined once again by Dan Duval for a mind-bending conversation that rips the veil off the unseen realm, and what’s bleeding through it. This episode dives headfirst into the mystery of the second heaven, the spiritual dimension that lies between Earth and Heaven, and the ancient war that still echoes into our present. Dan unpacks the biblical concept of Arche, the realm of beginnings, and how our spirits existed in God before conception. But with that revelation comes a stunning possibility: many are born already in bondage, tied to soul trades, pre-Adamic trauma, and cosmic conspiracies that predate Eden itself.Together, Tony and Dan unravel real accounts of soul hunting, time travel-induced soul fragmentation, and the second heaven’s connection to extraterrestrial phenomena. From hidden labs and off-planet abductions to spiritual generals fighting pre-Adamic wars against counterfeit creation templates like the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, nothing is off the table. They explore how rituals, timelines, and interdimensional warfare all collide in the effort to break cycles of trauma through the blood of Jesus.This isn’t fringe—it’s frontline. Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyDaniel DuvalWebsite | Ministry | Coaching | Arche Teaching PlaylistCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - Agartha (feat. Nergui)YouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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Today we have Dan Deval coming in studio from Texas. He brought fireballs with him, friends. We start out talking about pre-edemic memories, which he ties it into Jeremiah 1-5, where God says, before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. And he ties that into the pre-edemic memories. We also talk about second heaven soul trafficking. We talk about soul trafficking a lot on this show now. We talk about the second heaven a lot on this show.

Turns out soul trafficking is happening in the second heaven. And we also talk about a level of spiritual deliverance so deep, it rewires trauma cycles across timelines. I'm telling you guys, this was a wild three and a half hours. Let's get to it right now. Dan Deval, how are you, sir? It's a good day. Good to have you back, man. It is always a good day to give the devil a bad day.

I love it. I love it. So I, I'll tell you, we were just talking a little bit here before we started recording. And you were on episode 522, or 736, and here we are on this one. The last time we talked was about thearchy. We did. And today we're going to kind of jump into different things. We're going to talk about the second heaven.

And I think from there, it's going to have a spider web. I think from my perspective, as somebody who hears people talk, and share their stories and their perspectives, I think the second heaven is under-talked about and has a lot to do with a lot of people and what they experience. And this is like a new revelation I've had in the last few months. For the longest time, I felt like the best thing I could share on the show

to give people a descriptor, was the upside down from stranger things, which is I still stand by, you know, accurate. But I'm like, okay, so that's a Hollywood depiction of another place where people are being taken to, things are coming through from, and it was until recently where the second heaven entered the equation. I was like,

the upside down is probably the second heaven. That is probably where this is all. coming in. Now, that might be a very broad, loose statement, but that's kind of where I'm landing. I wish I had a sign right now that just says, it's changed my mind, you know? Because that's how I feel. But if I'm going to dive into the second heaven and the intricacies with it and all that, who better than have you here? And especially after that last conversation with the ARC, if anybody has not heard that conversation, they got to go back and check it out. We called it The power of Arki.

I didn't know what else to call it, but I thought that that fits the bill. And maybe if we just start this conversation off and stuff, is there a way to give a thousand, two thousand foot overview of what Arki is in case people have not heard that episode yet? Oh, oh my. All right, never mind. A 2,000 foot overview. Yes. Yes.

Okay. So the word Arki shows up in a number. number of locations, including the book of Jude, where it says the angel, which did not keep their first estate, but left their own abode. And that word estate is archie. And that original estate is, that word actually means origin, it means magistrate, it means beginning, it means a number of things. And that word was actually a conversation of many Greek philosophers trying to figure out what the original or primordial substance was from which everything came. And if you work your way through Greek philosophers, you'll find that they were calling it different things. They actually became a largely

elemental conversation. However, when I look at the word archie and its use of heavenly beings and other things, what I go back to is the fact that we were all created in Christ Jesus. Unto Good Works was God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. All of us have an existence that originates in the creator of all things, Jesus. But because of our creation existing outside of time, like we are conceived in an earth event and experience reality in frames that we call time. And so in this realm, we have the actual passage of time. And that's how we experience growth and change and events and hope and despair and everything we go through in this world. But outside of the three-dimensional reality, time is different. Or it just, it doesn't exist at all. In fact, from

God's perspective, Jesus is the beginning and the end at the same time. He's the first and the last. At the same time, how does that make sense? So being created in a person whose perspective of time is its creator, he's actually over that. Another way the Bible explains it, he has ascended far above all heavens. So, okay, first heaven, second, number, third heaven, whatever there is above that. So we're created in Him, which means that our creation is not in time. So what is it? And I say, well, that's realm. It's an event that's defined as a realm of reality.

And that realm of beginning, that's Archie. So every spirit being that God has created has a beginning in Him. whether it's us, Satan, any of the angels, like, we all have one because we're all created. That's archie. So when we talk about the archie, we're talking about beginning, we're talking about magistrate, because in our original creation in Christ, we also have purpose that I believe even precedes conception. So this is a realm that is a robust reality that doesn't only define our beginning or God's original intent, but it can actually be then engaged by faith and pulled into our earth assignment and do extraordinary things.

So there's a nutshell. That is a nutshell. And so I don't want to dive into it too much because I know we want to keep it moving. But one, I would say, does Archie have any, I think yes, but does Archie have anything to do with Second Heaven work and activities? but, and maybe that's even the wrong way to frame it. But also, like, with what you're saying about time and us, this is something I never even thought to ponder. Before conception, were we already a creation that was waiting to be put into the timeline?

Well, I believe so. And I believe so. And I believe that that question actually gets into a really, interesting discussion. Because pre-existence actually opens the door on a whole lot of subjects. I mean, from the pre-ademic age

to the mysteries of the heavens, the interactions, pre-ademic wars. I just finished a 12-part series at our church on the pre-ademic age and the spirit of man. And it has opened the door to so many things. And now all over our ministry,

we have people that are beginning to recover what I would call pre-ademic memories and those are attached to trauma. So I have personally seen some of the most extraordinary deliverances come not from, you know, getting people delivered of demonic bondage to sin and transgressions from their lived experience, right? We also get people delivered from transgressions and iniquities in the bloodline that they inherited. and now that's even expanded further into the preademic age and our experience in it as spirit beings prior to conception to have a human life. And it's been off the charts.

Wow. So with preodemic, is this something that would feed the idea of people having like deja vu? Do you think? I would say that deja vu is often you know

that's this experience where you have a premonition that comes through dream and then you walk that experience

out months or years later and then you remember the dream when I when we talk about preademic what

I have landed on is that number one Number one, Genesis 1-1-2-1-2, I think, opens up the conversation. In that, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And then in 1-2, it says the earth was haya, that's the Hebrew, without form and void, Tohu and Bohu. And in Isaiah 45, it explicitly says that God did not create the earth void, Tohu. he didn't create it that way.

So when we look at Genesis 1-1 and 1-2 in the context of Isaiah 45, what you get is the idea that something happened. Many people have called this a gap theory. I used to be a young earth creationist, but now I drifted right into that back there because I think that it reconciles so much of the scripture and it actually magnifies the work of Jesus Christ in what he did in his death, barrel, resurrection.

But with that said, you have the creation of heavens and earth, and then you have this event, and then you have God moving for a seven-day creation, which if you look at it through that lens, it actually becomes more of a seven-day renewal. In other words, Earth existed, cataclysm. Now we're renewing the Earth and formatting it for the next phase of what's going to happen with this planet, which is man and God's purpose. agenda through man. Well, when we begin to unpack the pre-ademic conversation, what happens is you start to look at other scriptures. It's like, well, Jesus said, I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

You look at Ezekiel 28 and it says, I will make you a heap of ashes upon the earth. And he's talking about this fallen cherub, this heavenly being. It's like, oh, wait a minute. You know, there's all this other stuff happening. Isaiah 14, how you are fallen from O O Lucifer, son of the Morseigne. morning, you know, you have all of this and you begin to put the pieces together. It's like, wait a minute, there was probably a conclusion on a pre-ademic war that resulted in our enemy now being thrown to the earth. And that very, in all reality, was the source of a cataclysm with which now Earth is become without form and void. And God has to move now to renew it. Well, what we've began to run into is there was a lot of history that led up to that casting out.

It wasn't an immediate, like Satan just had a thought I would like to be God instead of this guy. It was a whole growing conspiracy that began with an accusation against the character of God. And so we have had people coming now to a revelation. of different windows, of their own human spirits experience with that growing conspiracy. People have seen themselves, you know, in relationship even with Lucifer, in relationship with Yahobah God. They've seen the heavenly realms pre-ademic. They had jobs, assignments, interactions with the elemental kingdoms, because as a spirit being,

the elemental kingdom is a reality. It's not just experienced like behind the reality of the 3D world because we're in a very low frequency and vibration relatively. And we'll talk about that and how that relates to the second heaven in a minute. But like in that world and age, we were spirit beings. And so we have people that are having all of these memories. And the progression of memories seems to indicate that as the conspiracy grew, there was the

there were wars that began to take place in the heavens, many of them. And people found themselves in different roles relative to those wars, generals, soldiers, spies, informants, you know, couriers. And with those wars,

things went wrong. There was actually a lot of chaos. There was a lot of confusion. there was an essence trade. And I can explain essence in a minute, but this is what relates to when the Bible says, out of the abundance of your trading, you became filled with violence within and you sinned. That's Ezekiel 28. That actually gets into how Satan became so defiled to the point that he's being thrown.

But there was this massive essence trade. That essence came from the spirit beings that God had already created that time, which included our human spirits. And I'm talking all across our ministry. People are beginning to get these memories. And I have some of them. I have my own. I could talk about that if you want me to. But all of this leads up to a point where God's like, this is the end of this age.

We're not going to finish everything. But he had Michael and his angels throw Satan down. And it's like now the next age is going to begin. and we're going to finish resolving all of this chaos in another age. And that is the age where Jesus dies. And he dies not only to reconcile man to God, but that death, according to Colossians, is to reconcile all things,

whether in heaven or on earth through the blood of the cross. So the cross actually becomes a cosmic event that shockwaves forward and backward throughout all of history recorded and unrecorded as God's provision to reconcile what he his love, which is his creation. And he's now doing it not only alone, but through his body, which is really comprised of many spirit beings that have ancient history with him and are even being reduced. So what happens now is that we've seen the pre-ademic traumas on the human spirit itself

coming into people's experience in this earth, lived experience, as a cycle of time. So where there was abandonment in a pre-edemic context, now the person is going through abandonment here. If there was lost in imprisonment in a pre-ademic context, now the person is being put through human trafficking here. It's like there's these cycles of trauma. And this is where the breakthrough has happened.

When we've learned, because we've learned how to do this, apply the finished work of Jesus Christ from, this age and realm into the pre-ademic age, we're seeing stuff break there and the whole script getting reoriented so that here everything changes. Whoa. It's extraordinary. Whoa. So like that's almost, that's like in the movies with time travel. Don't go back and change things too much or else it changes what happens in the future. And you see it in back to the future and things like that. I mean, that's what it feels like you're even describing is by doing that, it's like you're changing eternity past and you're seeing the ramifications of changing what happened back

then through Christ, you're seeing the change here then. So the cycles that you're seeing of enslavement then and being enslavement now, trafficking, trafficking, those cycles. So once you interrupt that with Christ back then, you're now interrupting it here on this timeline. That's what you're saying? It's extraordinary. Wow. In fact, for me, this is beyond a working theory because I'm seeing the fruit. You know, one of the things that I've said for a long time is the Holy Spirit never heals based on a lie.

Right. So if we try to do something in the spirit world and, you know, we say, well, we think it works like this. And then we try to language things according to that belief system. You know, if God doesn't move on it, if no one's getting a breakthrough, if no one's getting healed, if no one's getting to live it, no one's life is changing. That's probably not the problem. That's we, or we haven't understood the situation correctly. Now, when we apply a certain type of wisdom and languaging to what we want to see God do by faith,

and we see consistent results, person after person after person after person, getting breakthrough, based on that approach and understanding, then we know we have truth. So what we have been seeing is some of the most extraordinary breakthroughs, healings. It's wild. And I'll tell you something. You know, one of the things the Bible says is in 1st, Thessalonians 523, now may the God of all peace sanctify you completely. I pray your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

So from there we learn that we are what I would call triune being, body, soul, spirit. Well, that means that we have a body, we have a soul, and we have a spirit. Those three together comprise one human. But those three parts of our design all have independent nature. They all have independent intelligence. They all have independent sentience. the sentience of the body is different than the sentience of the soul and the spirit. And in fact, the Bible says that you don't want to follow the lust of the flesh.

Like, that's the body. Like, there are things the body will naturally lust after. There's a sin nature in the physical body. Like, we have to put some restraints on those things, which may be completely different than the desires of the spirit. Like, that's what we begin to understand as we read the Word of God. It's like, oh, no, there are different things going on in each layer. of our humanity. And because you experience your humanity as, as like a person, like your body has a mind,

your soul has a mind, and your spirit has a mind, and they can be put in an interaction. That's actually what I call living in alignment. If you really want to be a spirit-led person, well, great, Holy Spirit lives in your spirit. So learn how. how the human spirit takes the lead on the life that is lived. That means the soul, which is our typical presenting consciousness, it comes under alignment of that part of our design that is spirit. Well, that spirit part of our design is the part of our design from which the pre-ademic memories are being unveiled.

This is one of the most interesting things. The reason why we are blinded to, the pre-ademic reality is because at the point where it is decided it is our time to come in. What I've had multiple people describe is their human spirit being pulled before God, and God said, it's your time to come. Usually that event happens in one of a number of ways. One would be, this is what's going to happen. Now go.

That was my experience. It's like, it's your time. and I actually remember my spirit saying something I thought it was actually a little arrogant but he was like this isn't going to be a problem and I was looking at Earth I could see the planet like almost through like a window

and God was over there and it was like it's your time to go and I was like this isn't going to be a problem with it that was my spirit and then I came in and that coming in means to the conception of it by the way if your listeners didn't know this at conception, one of the most interesting things happens. When the sperm meets the eggs, there is a flash of light.

What is that light? Yeah, that's the spiritual side and the aspect, I believe, of the miracle of conception. Now, other people, they get options. It'll be like, you can have this life with this reward. This life's going to be a little harder with this reward. This life's going to be extremely difficult. In fact, you're being sent into a bloodline that's been defiled for thousands of years, and you're a cycle breaker.

it's going to be extremely difficult, but this is the reward. And some people remember getting the choice and being like, I will choose the most difficult life because I love you so much, God. And then they come into that. And so a lot of survivors of some of these bloodlines that are really defiled by the occult and by all kinds of iniquity that goes back, Druid bloodlines, royal bloodlines throughout the houses of Europe, these kinds, you know, those that have made a lot of covenants with the kingdom of darkness,

and they are typically the most abused people on the planet, they're usually given a choice. Now, they come in, the moment that they hit this, it's kind of like a wormhole that extends from the heavens to the conception event, that wormhole is like an amnesia in. inducing experience. So whatever that person had has lived experience in the heavenlies before as a spirit being, they're being sent in. And remember, in the book of Jeremiah, God said, before I formed you, Jeremiah, in your mother's womb, I knew you.

And I ordained you a prophet to the nation. His ordainment as a prophet was actually predicated on his preconception resume in the heavenlies as a spirit being that God both created and knew for some time. That's all of us. So we come in and this amnesia comes over the spirit. By the time we're at a conception event, we don't remember. And so it's like a total dissociation. So now we are navigating this life and finding our way back to God. And why this is the case, what the wisdom behind us is, I don't know yet. I actually don't know why they just, like, if I really wanted to give people a foot up, I would have been like just, you can remember everything from the age before.

That'll make it a little easier. But we come in with this amnesia. But the crazy thing about the pre-edemic conversation, like even this conversation we're having right now, there's a frequency on it. People are going to listen to this and it's going to switch something on. And the, the, the, spirit will begin to recover memory. And one of the craziest things about when the memory gets recovered from the human spirit

is that these are memories independent of soul memories, which the soul is what we navigate this world with. So, lived experience. The memories in the spirit are not limited to lived experience on this earth. and the emotion attached to memories that come from the spirit is a completely different animal than the memories of the soul and the emotion attached to those. There is this extremely raw and powerful and overwhelming characteristic of the emotion that sits inside of the spirit of man, because it's actually sitting in a

different place. I remember my first exposure to spirit memory. This is all new to me. So I was driving, I think it was to the airport or something. And this was a few weeks before our annual conference at Bride Ministries in 2023. And this was when a lot of the, I would call it, the pre-ademic scroll was opening up to me. Do you have a question? No, no, no. But you just said, about the preademic scroll. So continue what you're saying, but also just define the scroll. Because we talked about that last night and stuff. And I think that might be helpful for people to understand what you mean by, like a preademic scroll. What do you mean by scroll? It's like so much to say. I'm trying to like, yeah. No, you're doing. Pick my lanes.

No, this is. I'm just like keep it going, man. This is wild. I'm just typing down like phrases and stuff to try to remember what I wanted to bring up later and stuff like that. So you're good. Yeah. Yeah. So I was driving, I was listening to the song, it's called Yahweh will manifest in English, but it was in Spanish. It's the same manifest array. And it was something, it's a beautiful song. I love it. And I'm just driving, you know, mine in my own business, the next thing I know, something triggers, not in my soul.

It actually is my spirit. And it is this raw, emotional. And I at that time didn't have anything to attach that emotion to. But I was feeling the emotion itself. And it came up from the inside of me and I began to weep profusely as I was driving. So it was the worst timing ever because it was like I couldn't see. my eyes were so full of tears and this deep emotional. It was like pain, but not like sorrow and grief.

But it was from my spirit. And I was like, oh my gosh. And I had to pull myself out of it because I was like, if I don't do something, I'm going to just get in an accident because I can't see what I'm on ramp. I'm going to crash this car. But it was like I was able to experience that. for a few moments and it put an imprint on the inside of me.

I was like, okay, I didn't make that up. I have no one to perform for here. It's just me in this car, me and my Jesus music. And whoa, what is happening here? And I knew that at some point I would have the opportunity to attach that emotion to data. I just didn't know when it would happen. now what I did also walk away from that experience with was this is what a spirit emotion feels like

and if I just pulled this I know that there are I don't know seven or eight billion human beings on this planet right now a lot they all have a human spirit what is sitting in the inside of everyone else's human spirit that we don't know. Now, around the same time, and this is on the pre-ademic scroll, I had a dream. Okay, so I've shared this dream a few times now on my own podcast, at my church. We had a 12-part series on this, other podcasts. And so the dream was basically, I was in a room, I was listening to one of my friends. His name's Todd Weatherly, awesome minister in Australia, Adelaide, Field of Dreams Church. Is that where you were

When the Arquee manifested? I was in Australia, but I was in Port Macquarie When the Arquee manifested. Gotcha. But yeah. So anyway, he was in the dream And I'm watching him preach in the dream in a room And I see on him in the spirit. So I'm in the dream But it's like in the dream I'm experiencing

Seeing in the spirit the way I do in the natural. So it's like I'm looking at someone They look normal to me. I'm seeing them with my 3D eyes, but then it's like, there are spiritual eyes as well. And in the spirit world, I can see almost like an overlay on them. And it's like, oh, I see an emblem, a crest, and a signet ring. And so I went to him in the dream to prophesy. I said, look, I see an emblem a crest, a signet ring. And, and then I said, and these are from the age before. Like, and at that point, a big portal just opened up, like right over here in the dream, and I got sucked

in. And then I found out of it. I was like flying through this, it's the interior of a scroll. I'm flying through it. And it's written all around, but someone translated it into English. So in the dream, I'm like, I can read this. And so I started reading it and it was like flying by, but I was speed reading. So I was reading blocks of information. What I was reading about were wars and exploits and betrayals and abandonment and difficulty

and acts of heroic efforts and all kinds of things that related to the pre-ademic age and the spirits that navigated the circumstances that took place in that reality. I mean, I was like, whoa. And so I experienced it as the interior of a scroll, but it was simultaneously like this massive wormhole. I was flying through it.

And then I landed in a realm. I don't know where this realm was. All I know is it was me, it was Holy Spirit. And Holy Spirit is the comfort. I don't know if you've ever had an actual, like, one-on-one encounter with Holy Spirit in this way. But Holy Spirit is the sweetest, most comforting, most refreshing. Like, it's actually a slightly different encounter than with the Godhead person of Jesus Christ.

Holy Spirit is just absolutely like you never want it. It's just so much comfort and love. And we talked for a period of time and Holy Spirit was just sharing some things with me. And I was just there like I never want to leave. And then I was back in the beginning of the dream, but time had rewound a little bit. So I was right in the same spot where I was looking at my friend. and he was preaching, and I was like, I need to prophesy to him. And so I went over to him again, and I said, you know, you have a signet ring and emblematic

crest. And he looked at me in the dream at that point, he was like, and these are from the age before. Almost like he was remembering something I had said to him. And I was like, I've told you this before. In the dream. But when I told him before, it was on the other timeline. And then I said, And they shall be like stars forevermore. And then I woke up. And at the moment I woke up, I was thinking of Revelation 12,

but also Daniel 12, like at the same time. And that was like, okay, the preadamics scroll. It's a library. It's a lot of information. It's a massive encyclopedia,

like to the... I mean, it's got to be infinity. Yeah. You know, it's a lot of, a lot of information. Yeah. So it was very, it was very frustrating because I could actually read that while I was in it,

but I couldn't, I didn't have enough time to like put it together. But what I realized was it was something that God was opening up, right? And so there's a lot of deliverance from trauma that Jesus wants to heal throughout his body. And one of the things that I realize is we're connecting all the realms because God is in a process right now. We are actually in a midst of what I would call a great awake. Absolutely. And it's happening on multiple levels, multiple dimensions.

One of the things that God, I believe that Jesus is doing for his people is he is awakening us to true identity. But we're trying to limit our perspective of our identity to lived experience in the Earth 3D plane, that is, from conception forward. And God's saying, no, your identity dates back to eternity in Christ. Wow. And there's a whole piece of our identity, lived experience, that contributes to what we're doing even here in this age and what he's called us to do, that connects

to what we don't automatically remember. Because what we're like conditioned to do is to remember the body's experience, not considering soul or spirit. Correct. Correct. Correct. Now, this is going to get even more complicated. Please. We're already going down the hole. Let's do it. Yeah, this is going to get even more complicated because, you know, the soul is really interesting animal. And one of the things that we've learned is that the soul has preademic components. And then it also has components that come from, I would call it, above and below, that is the heavens and the earth that come together at conception to create what we experience as soul. Okay. So, all right, before you go further on that, so we.

We're saying that at conception, the soul is created, but the spirit was in existence before conception, right? Yep. Okay. So the spirit is going through all these experiences, lived experiences in the preademic age. But at conception, the soul is assembled. So there are what I would say, I call them preconception soul substance. and that seems to merge with elements from this planet, that literally this earth,

that basically weaves together at conception a human soul that carries the same essence as the spirit. And then the body becomes the encasement of that. So conception is a really profound experience. And this was actually explained to me by what I would call it a heavenly being. The first time that the assembly of the soul was explained to me, it was, it was, oh gosh, this is kind of hard to explain. But there are, the Bible uses the term dominions. So, principalities, powers, dominions, thrones.

Like, you find all of these terms used throughout the New Testament to describe, like, certain heavenly beings. You know, some theologians have described what they call the nine orders of the angelic realm, cherubim, seraphim, dominions, thrones, virtues, powers, principalities, archangels, angels, angels. That's one of the ancient groupings. Many people will still cite that today as like, you know, New Testament understanding of the spirit world, whatever.

So I was having an encounter with a dominion. And it was weird because it didn't really have. like, at least in this manifestation, like a form, like a two arms, two legs. It was basically a realm. And it was at the same time, it was like a frequency. And it was like, this particular one associated with what I would call the color green. It was like a green. And it, the reason why I was interacting with this thing was because I had a client at the time.

Now, this person had been through government-sponsored mind control projects, and they were used in some time travel stuff as well. And the reason why they were selected by the government project was because there was this inherent, built-in capacity to interact with this particular dominion. Like, it was woven into the DNA somehow, and they realized that. they were, you know, basically punching holes through the dominions in order to time travel. And so, so we ran into this dominion that was connected to the client that I was working with. And it was basically like, I need some help. I need some healing. So we started working with Jesus to bring

healing to this part of the creation that was being injured and defiled by the time travel projects that were running through. And this particular client, their exposure to that realm. So, So if your audience didn't know this, yes, time travel is real. The government is really doing it. And time travel that they're doing with some of these projects is actually injuring the creation. So this- When you say injuring the creation, are you talking about the individual or literal creation that God has created? Like by doing time travel, it's injuring God's creation, not just the person, but literal creation.

Literal creation as well. This is why I'm talking to the dominion. So the dominion is like a whole realm that's connected to this time travel stuff. It has like poles punched through it. And yeah, so we were actually able to minister to this thing with Jesus. And it was actually healing brought to the dominion itself. And we had interaction with it. And the survivor that I was working with,

like, they could hear it, like, talking. I mean, and as that was healed, the person was also simultaneously being healed. Like, there was a, it was both and at the same time. And that particular dominion said, you know, the soul of man is assembled from components that come from both above and below. Like, it was like, this is how it is.

That was the first time I had been introduced to that idea. It was years later when that began to come up more and more because we started to have to minister into this realm for people, like people having experiences where their soul actually had preconception trauma. And we had to figure out, like, how is that even possible? Like, I had a client years later and it was like, you know, because I thought the soul started at conception. I was like this. It can't be older than that. I could tell you some stories. There are components of the soul that are way. I had one client, one of the so high level in the

Illuminati and the kingdom of darkness, this person, their programmer was Satan. And they were part of everything from Antarctica stuff to off planet stuff. I mean, they had soul parts with thrones on many planets in many galaxies and many galaxies and many kinds. I can't even begin to tell you how complicated this particular individual was. They were so broken. So you're talking about like fractured souls? Fractured soul. Not spirit.

Yes. Souls. Thank you. You didn't say spirit. I just wanted to clarify. Just the soul. Yeah. I'm not even going to get into how fractured the spirit was on this person.

I'm just talking about their soul right now. But what I'm saying is I ran into a particular soul part of them. It had an identity. And I said, how old are you? And it's like, well, I'm thousands of years old. I think, well, that's way older than that. the body. It didn't make sense to me. It was a component of that individual's preconception, soul substance. All I'm doing is articulating that there's a component of the soul that is

presenting consciousness that pre-exists conception. It comes from above. And under normal circumstances, it just gets woven right in and we wouldn't necessarily know. But there are things that happen for some people before conception that caused a preconception soul substance part to be separate and to still carry an awareness of preconception existence, things that were done, experiences. I mean, it's wild, and that's separate

from the human spirit. Anyway. This is wild. I know. You know, here we are. You want to talk about the second heaven. Yeah, well, I mean, let's just, let's just keep going, I guess. So you're talking about spirit, soul, body, and these fragments and all-planet things.

Like, are we, let's actually keep this soul talk going. Yeah. And we can even circle back to the spirit talk. I'm trying to wrap my mind around all this. But in Ezekiel, I think it's 1318 or maybe 1813, 13. 13, 18, though. In not all versions, but there are a version, I think King James is one of the versions, or maybe

it's ESV, but the way it says it, it's very clear. But there's reprimand, God is reprimending, it's been a little bit since I've read it, but he's reprimanding somebody and he says how long will you

sew wristbands and hunt for humans, yeah, pillows, and hunt for human souls. And that was a, when that was brought to my attention, that was a paradigm shifting thing for me. Because I had already, and I would talk to you last night over dinner that the one woman fringe who came on the show talking about soul sucking. And I was like, okay, like, where do I fit this in everything, right? And then when I saw that, I was like, there's clearly through probably witchcraft, there's this technology, magical, technology, alchemy.

I don't know, but there's literally this pillow where they're hunting for human souls. And what are they doing? Are they collecting them in the pillow and storing them for later? But is that verse a glimpse into what you're talking about with soul fragments and all that? 100%. So soul hunting is an ancient practice. It still goes on to this day. people don't realize how vast and robust this conversation really is.

And see, some of the stuff that I'm giving you is just like background mechanics to explain what people are actually running into when they need to be set free. And I'm going to tell you something, your audience, people that listen to this show, have robust experiences. I mean, they have so many things they can't explain and they're looking for answers. And the problem is everyone agrees on one thing. We don't have all the keys yet. Like, you can't say whatever we were told in the 1980s when we were. born or the 1990s when, you know, next generation starts to be born. Like, we were given all the answers.

We weren't told what we need to know in Baptist Church. We weren't told what we need to know in elementary school and middle school and our history books. Like, there are so many missing pieces. But what I'm telling you is the background that I'm giving you on, like, human spirit, preconception, soul substance. It begins to allow enough band. with to explain the actual nature of the problems that people have and the world in which we live.

So with soul hunting, this particular thing is an ancient practice, and it happens in a number of ways. Now, number one, people will find that if there were certain traumatic events, and I could explain some of the traumatic events, but the problem is, this is the problem I'm running to you. If I explain that, I have to explain so many other things that I'm going to get lost in the explanation of the thing. Sure. Rather than get to the point. So I'm just going to generalize it and say there are events that can happen to a person before they are conceived that causes the preconception soul substance to be placed in a type of bondage or captivity. So the soul can be captured in the second heaven as a result of a pre-ademic trade on essence that predates their conception into this world.

Whoa. Okay. So some people are very literally born in bondage, spirit and soul. When you say essence, can you go into what you mean by that? 100%. So essence is life.

Essence is life. This is the simplest way I have to explain it. So let me put it like this. The Bible says in John chapter one, in him was life, and that life was the light of men. I believe that in him was essence. Essence is life. In my view, essence is what God puts his signature of legitimacy on. So God has a thought.

Tony. My thought is Tony Merle. So now the thought is brought into creation through Christ Jesus. We are created in him. Without him, nothing was made that was made. In him is life. So that life is essence. He kicks it out in an event called Arki or beginning.

And that life underwrites or sits as a signature of legitimacy underneath everything that we are or express. So life sits in the spirit. Life sits in the soul. Life sits in the physical body. How, and I, and I explain like this, how do you know that your physical body is yours and not mine? Why can't we just swap bodies because we want to? You know, I'm like, I think your body's pretty cool, Tony. I'd like to try that one out for a little while.

Just give me that. And it's like, well, no, that's Tony's body. Daniel has Daniel's body. but what matches my body to my soul and what matches my soul to my spirit? What makes me spirit, soul, and body? What underwrites all of that as a signature of legitimacy? It's life. It is that actual signature that comes from Jesus upon creation.

So, essence is life. Essence sits in everything that belongs to us. I include archie. It's in the archie. It's also in the spirit. It's in the soul and it's in the body. So when a trade is made on essence, it can affect any area of our existence, spirit, soul, or body, because it's the life that sits underneath all of it from God,

that identifies us as a unique individual from God, that has legitimacy before God. In fact, and the conversation on essence is coming out more and more. People are talking about it all over the place. And in fact, a lot of New Ages are using this term. They just don't know what it means. They're like, yeah, my essence and this essence and that essence. And, you know, you have essence of elementals and you have essences from like flowers

and essences from this and essence is from that. It defines the characteristics of a thing. for me it's life so scripturally that's that's how i underwrite that that means yeah it makes i don't know i mean no it makes perfect sense nail me with more questions no so i want to because i interrupted you on the thought of and i think you were talking about uh the the the hunting for souls and and you brought up the essence with that uh and if you can remember where you're going with that great but i i i will say this just to add to what you were saying.

And I don't think I've ever talked about this on the show because it's something that as you get older, you forget about. But I remember sitting in my uncle's house and other places, but I have this vision in my head sitting my uncle's house staring at a picture on the wall of a revolver. And something, maybe just the idea that that can take life, got me thinking. and it got me thinking down this path of like, and I was, I'm telling you, I was probably like

five, six, seven years old. And I was just like, I feel like there's something, like, I feel like I'm in this body. But like, I felt like I could have easily been put in a body that was born into Africa. Like, I was like, there was this,

there was this distinguishing thing. And I didn't know how to put it into words. I still don't. But it was like, I really, I was like, yeah, this is me physically, but like, I think I could have been placed anywhere in this world of God said so. And I was just, I was just lucky enough to be born here, you know? But like, in that, that child mindset that I had, it's almost like I was distinguishing the fact between body and soul and maybe even spirit. But it's just funny because you're saying all

this stuff. And it just got me think I was like, I think I contemplated this when I was a little kid. I'm sure you did. And we hear about people talking about how when their children, they had these different experiences. And it's like the sensitivities as a kid. And I really wonder if just as a child before I got bogged down with life, my mind just was more geared to to comprehend and understand those kind of things more than now where I'm running around and chasing after my own kids and all that stuff. Anyways, I wanted to add that because I knew I'd forget it. But we were talking about the hunting for souls and fragments. And what I was saying is a person can be placed in captivity.

Yes. Spirit or preconception soul substance prior to conception in the earth. Many people are born in bondage. And then once we hit this earth, there's this whole other phase of soul hunting. that I think is more explicitly related to the conversation in Ezekiel 13, which is a person will go through trauma and they'll dissociate. What does that mean? That means that if a person is being abused,

they're going to run down the hallway of their mind. They're going to leave the situation, not in the physical, but in their mind. And that creates soul fragmentation. This is why the Bible says in Psalm 23, or, the Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want, he makes me to lay down in green passages. He leaves me besides the water.

he restores my soul. Because a soul needs restoration because it breaks you know Job 19 of verse 2. How long will you torment my soul and break me in pieces with your words?

Even verbal abuse can break the soul. And so it needs restoration. It needs healing. And Jesus is the one that provides that for us. But as we're going through the pain of this life, abuse this, what witchcraft attacks, curses, things like that, the soul will break. Now, that creates a level of exposure and vulnerability because those soul fragments can

then be captured. And that's what soul hunters do. They're not typically for the average person capturing the full soul and taking it out of the body. And so you just end up with a dead body. A lot of people have witchcraft people, vampiric people in their lives. that are capturing soul fragments. And those fragments are being trafficked in different ways.

I call it the Babylonian soul trade because in Revelation 1813, it says that Babylon trades in the bodies, that's human trafficking and souls. That's the soul hunting of men. So they hunt the soul and then they traffic it and it goes different places. This can be in like African witchcraft. It might go into the jar in the basement of a warlock or a witch doctor in the town. Are you for real?

100%. So like... Okay, keep going. No, it could go other places. They could traffic that thing to the Galactic Federation. What? Yeah. Wow.

And as people go through these abduction experiences, they come back different. It's like, what did they change me? Yeah, they injected you with some nanobots. They took a scoop mark out of your skin right by your knee. They put an implant in your neck. And by the way, some of your soul is now missing. What happened? They took it and put on a trade route with the Galactic Federation and trafficked it to Orion.

So soul hunting is being performed not only by humans but by entity groups as well. I mean, it's really wild, but all of it dates back to, I mean, we can anchor it to a biblical conversation in Ezekiel 13, Revelation 18. This stuff is very real. And yes, it is all occurring in Second Heaven territory, which we still haven't opened up yet. Jeez, man. That is wild. So, all right, let's get it then.

So the Second Heaven territory, it's all happening there. I mean, I'm just envisioning like some kind of like demonic stormtrooper that goes around hunting for souls and collecting souls and trafficking them all over creation. Second heaven, first heaven. And as I'm thinking that, it looks so much more practical. Can I tell you how you could traffic a person's soul? Go for it. Find a very broken individual. And have sex with them.

Outside of marriage. Yeah. Just start sleeping with a bunch of prostitutes. You will swap soul fragments. Wow. There are people, I mean, literally, presidential models, people that have been put to M.K. Ultra, sex slaves, that have been programmed, you know, in conjunction with CIA operations and military operations,

deep underground military bases, programming, all this stuff. they will have them sleep with world leaders to capture pieces of their soul and then manipulate them on grids in the spirit that are built through this technology and inherent understanding of how things work. Hey guys, this episode is brought to you by Merkmerch.com. Go ahead and get your Merkel Media Apparel at Merkmerch.com. We got some new hoodies up there on the store. Go ahead and check it out. Cop years before it's too late. Also, Merkelfilms.com is where you can get your on-demand streaming of documentaries we've put out. And we have new content from other. creators coming to that site very soon, mercilfilms.com. So that's happening from that end of things, that side of things. And you are on the other side of things where you're actually hunting for souls to put them back together into one piece. We're putting, yeah, because this is what I call it. I call it, I call the body of Christ, the body of reconciliation. What hung on the cross when Jesus died, his body? Paul said it is

no longer I who live. When Christ died, I died. And now he's walking in resurrection life with Christ. Jesus said, we're the body. So all of this redemption that Jesus accomplished on the cross in death and resurrection, we are now spiritually, metaphorically, and literally, members of. So when God wants to repair time and put broken lives back together, he's going to work through us to do that. So that's where I find myself. It's like, I'm part of the body of reconciliation. So, yeah, I mean, we are putting everything back together. I mean, you know, coming back to the pre-ademic conversation, it's like, no, the cross of Jesus Christ is more profound than we understood that. And can I just rewind a little bit? Yeah, I'm going to talk about it. We got all the time

we want, so go for it. It's a good thing that's a podcast because you can rewind and listen to the part Yeah. You know. And nowadays there's there's transcripts, people can word search. It's great. It's just so good. It's just so good. So this was part of my thing, right?

I hope. This conversation is so broad. It's hard to just do like a, you know, narrative, like one direction. Right. Jump back and move around. It has to be like that. But here's the thing. I went through all this emotion, right?

coming back to my story and it was like, whoa, what is this? Then I went through several phases of awareness, like when I began to understand my own pre-ademic experience. And I saw myself in several contexts and settings over time. One of them was the experience of being at God's throne essentially and it's like, it's time you're going to go in and my spirit is saying, well, that's not going to be a problem. But that statement, the way that my human spirit reacted to that was based on a lot of history.

And so as I began to look at my history and receive it from my own human spirit, it was like, no, in a pre-ademic age, I was actually a type of general. I was very involved with the military operations of heaven fighting on the side of Yahweh. God. That was just my role. And as evidence of that, and this came from someone else, I actually remember there was a time where I was ministering to a certain survivor. And there was an angel. It was actually the way that this one worked, the angel was given a post, kind of like a, what we would call, guardian angel, but it was sent in with the person to their life to help them survive all of the

trauma connected with the programs and projects. And then it started helping us to deprogram the person. And I thought it was an altar at first. And then it was like, no, this is actually an angel and it's on assignment. And it said one day, are you starting to remember? And the person was saying that they heard him talking, like they were saying, and I was like, I don't know what you mean by that, angel. Like, what, do I, am I supposed to remember something? He was like, I was in your armies. And I was like, no, I got nothing for you.

But what later came out was, before this person was born, this angel that came and was interacting with my human spirit as part of these, in the armies was given an assignment with this person's life who came in like 30 years before I was born so that when we met in this timeline, they would assist me in deprogramming them. Okay. So, let me just, we're broadening the worldview. Like, the consequence of this life and age is far more than we bargained for.

Like, there's a lot more going on. I think everybody could agree with that. Like, there's a lot more going on. There's definitely a lot more going on. I think we live very individualistically where it's just like, it's just me, this here, right now. But you're saying it's cosmically bigger. It's cosmically bigger. So that's just one window of frame.

But later on I began to see it. I was like, no, we actually had like a whole military campaign that. And part of my assignment, I believe, was largely in the pre-ademic age was focused on what I would call. the Lurianic Kabbalistic tree of life as a cosmic structure and a counterfeit creative template. It was like in the pre-ademic age date already begun to assemble that structure. And it's been mapped in the physical world and that's what Jewish mysticism is based on. Is that Kabul a tree, what most people would never connect is like that structure, which is a counterfeit creative template.

And, you know, the basis of some of the highest level ritual magic there is, is actually a preademic cosmic structure that already existed before people started getting initiated into Babylonian mysteries on this side of the age. So we were having a lot of assignments against that thing, and there came a point where it's like I was pulled. And it was like, stop. And like my human spirit, I felt that there was actually a path to victory to finish the job in the pre-ademic age. And that thing would just have been taken down. And Jesus was like, this has led to too many losses. And by losses, what he meant was, in the context of all the wars in the pre-edemic age,

all of the conflict, the deception, there were a lot of spirits that had been flipped to the wrong side. And I was like, well, so be it. Like, they made their choice. He was like, no, we're going to finish this. in a different age. And so I had an extraordinary amount of pain over being pulled over that whole experience. Like, we're not going to be able to finish this here. This is what it's going to mean.

I had a major breakthrough session in prayer one day where it was like all of this came forward and it was like I was able to reconcile with the perspective of Jesus, which my human spirit did not have in the pre-ademic age. It was actually, there was something that I had journeyed for eons from that point that affected my spirit in a very deep way. In fact, one of the things that I would never talk about, because I would see it in the spirit world when I pray in different things like that, is if Jesus was around, like, I would not see my spirit, like,

falling over him like I thought my spirit would. it was very my perspective was my spirit was very much loyal, devoted, and obedient, but not falling. And it was like, there's something there? I never talked about it. I was like,

I don't understand that. It doesn't make any sense to my theology. And then this particular day, I was able to reconcile in conversation with my human spirit as a soul and Jesus, that it was his love for all of the spirit beings

of which most of them are now human or receiving human experiences that he wanted to redeem that he said we have to finish this in a different age because he had already in himself decided I am the lamb slain from the foundation of the world our Bible says world

the Greek says cosmos really so from the pre-ademic age before God put Adam in the garden he was already the lamb slain, which actually magnifies. Like, I didn't understand that at the time as a spirit being like what he was thinking or why there would be an interruption on any kind of victory plan. You know, I mean, the mercy of God is beyond anything. I still don't understand it.

It's so profound. So he pulled my spirit at that time. And that was a source of a lot of emotion. And that was part of what came out in the car when I was weeping so profusely. It was like, it was that memory. So anyway, moving on in the conversation, every single person is going to, at a certain point, as they lead into their own human spirit, begin to, in my belief, they're going to start pulling certain memories about how the pre-odemic age affected them and what it meant.

And a lot of what happens in the second heaven involves activity connected to human spirits, angelic spirits, good and bad, soul fragments. and it gets very complicated because when you start looking at that, some of this activity can involve human spirits or soul fragments of people that aren't even born yet because of some of the dynamics I've been explaining the whole time. I mean, so when we start to talk about the second heaven, it gets wild. Yeah. I mean, and you run into things like ancestral realms. You run into things like activity on other planets.

You run into things like laboratories that exist but do not exist in the physical plane. You run into things like craft and they are these robust craft, but they don't always exist in the 3D realm, but sometimes they can pull themselves into the 3D realm. You have locations where people are initiated and recruited. You have all kinds of off-planet. basis and operations. I mean, this second heaven thing is profoundly

augmented, highly nuanced and also filled with what I would call hybrid activity where they have built out I mean just worlds full of things that I would classify as spirit children, that I would classify as composite entities, and

And even influences of entity groups that I think come right out of the pre-edamic age, including Pleiadians, Draco, Reptilians, and other things. And so what I believe, a lot of the conversation that people are trying to resolve here and now, because of veil is thinning, is what are all of these entities? Where do they come from? How do we build a classification system? And I think that one of the biggest missing pieces is actually the acknowledgement of a pre-ademic age and the impact that that age is having on this particular juncture in world history

because we are getting close to the revealing of what I would say is the bride of Christ, the return of Jesus Christ, the manifestation of the beast's kingdom. All of that is really on the precipice of this generation. And as the veil is thinning, all of the realities of the second heaven are beginning to bleed through. and we are looking at things we don't understand or have a full ability to categorize a place. But it is essentially the second heaven bleeding through the veil into this world's reality.

Wow. So with that said, it's like there's, with the veil thinning, it's almost a cosmic war that's about to unleash, itself in a way that has never been seen in this realm before. It's happened before, you know, but with Christ's return coming closer and closer, that veil is as a consequence getting thinner and that's why the spillover is happening? Is that what you think or do you

think the veil is getting thin because of our actions and whether it's coming to understand the spiritual realm more or are even witchcraft. I venture to, I theorize at times that there's geographical locations where we see

more activity than other places. And like one of those places is New Orleans. New Orleans has a reputation for that. Joshua Tree, California has a reputation for that. These are also places where rituals are known to be happening. And I wonder if

that kind of activity on this side thins the veil as well. Is it like a mix, do you think, of all that stuff? But it just really feels to me like the Second Heaven, it's like, I don't know if this is proper terminology, but it's coming. It's coming. So the way that I look at it,

Second Thessalonians, there is a restrainer that is going to restrain until he's taken out of the way. And then the man of sin, the son of perdition, is able to manifest. I think that the restrainer is in many ways the veil. From a biblical perspective.

I think that there is a major effort through, especially with the global rituals, because sometimes they coordinate rituals within the Kingdom of Darkness, certain groups, around the earth. So they're like doing rituals in many locations around the earth all at the same time. I also happen to be aware

of a lot of operations connected to secret space program stuff, also involved, they're trying to bring the restrainer down or punch holes through the restrainer to open portals to allow for the realities of the second heaven to be brought in strategically into this reality. And I think some of the best locations where they have unfettered success

is some of these underground locations, literally the underground, what we would call dums, but they are able to basically merge those second heaven and first heaven realities underground very well. But there's many sites that, they're doing a lot of work to really thin that.

So you go from one place to the next and you'll notice a difference. You go to Sedona, Arizona, like, okay, it's real easy. You go to a certain place and it's like, wow, this is very much, a very, a very thin veil, and there's a lot that can come through from that second heaven reality. Here, it's not necessarily the same over here.

But I think there's a progression. And I don't know. I mean, I think it's, I think it's a bit of a wrestle. I think it's a bit of a wrestle because you have different factions in the kingdom of darkness that are all vying to be on top. So not everyone in the kingdom of darkness, not every Illuminati bloodline, is on the same page with how things are going to play out at all. So there's a tussle there, like who's going to get what they want and who's going to be at the top in this emerging beast kingdom or whatever, which bloodline gets to sire the Antichrist, whatever it is.

Then you have the wrestle between the evil timelines on the earth and the godly timelines on this earth. And, you know, there's a wrestle there as well. And I think a lot of the work that, like, what we're doing is we're correcting for things that are driving evil timelines in the earth to interrupt those. Because if we are making corrections through the delivering process of Jesus Christ in an individual's life, that's a decision maker in this age, well, the change in their timelines is a change in their decision patterns. And the impact that they have on this earth would mean we're changing earth timelines. through deliverance and healing and so on us. I mean, that's literally, there's a lot going on. So there's this like a wrestle.

And you have, yes, the plan of God to come in a second coming and finish all of that stuff. And so it's like there's a big wrestle and it's coming from multiple sides and multiple places as to the removal of the restrainer. It's not just like a single line item that's affecting that. It's a big mess. Yeah. It's a huge mess. I mean, you mentioned earlier about like even like the Palladians and and all this stuff. It's like in the second heaven, it is, it seems like it's multifaceted, a lot of different things going on, a lot of different agendas going on. You talked about facilities to, I think you were probably talking about UFOs. when you were talking about things that can be 3D and not always 3D. And that's exactly where my mindset has gone over the last several years is that they can be physical when they're here, but they're not always that when they're somewhere else.

It's like when they come here, they have the ability to do that. But it is technology being created somewhere else. And who is making this technology? She is a fallen angels operating these realms? Because I know you brought the recruitment stuff. And like there's a, there's several people that I've talked to that in one way or another discuss how once they were recruited and they were put to work because they accept, there's fallen angels or angels.

I say fallen angels because I see what side they're working with. And that's got to be a fallen angel. But they'll be working with angels and Nephilim and things like that in this other realm that now I'm calling second heaven. So it's just so, there's so much going on there when you are gaining knowledge and experience of second heaven. What does that look like for you? Are we talking about, is it, because you mentioned about, I wrote it down here because I wanted to, remember, a see in the spirit world while praying, is that this interaction with the, with the second heaven? Is there a time that your, your spirit is taken to second heaven?

Like, there's a guy that I talked to years ago where he was in the military. He was a truck driver for our military, private contractor. He wasn't actually a soldier. He was over in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the two. And they got in a really bad situation. And he said, all of a sudden, he was above his truck. truck. And I had no way to understand any of what he shared with me. I believed him. But he's like, I was above my truck and I could see the path to go to avoid ultimate disaster. And I was able to communicate that with the trucks over radio. But I was looking at my truck, but my body was able to communicate over radio to these trucks on which way to turn to get out. And he was able to guide

the whole convoy. So like there's this, in his story, there's this extraction of his spirit, I'd say, I don't know if it's God that did or what, but like, or maybe his soul and body is like, get out and go figure this out. I don't know. But like, he unwillingly, whoop out of his body and is able to communicate still through his body. And so like all this, this stuff, how is it for you when it comes to dealing with the second heaven? I mean, have you had different experiences where it kind of unfolds differently? I mean, absolutely. So there's different layers on this.

I mean, just every one of these questions is like there's, I go through a list of things. Number one, I experienced the second heaven through the encounter of the people that I am ministering to. So it'll look like this. I'm sitting on a Zoom call. And let's see I'm working with Sue. I'll say, is there anyone on the inside of Sue that's been going through it? I really want to talk to me this week. All the park come up.

Peggy. Hi, Peggy. What's going on? It's like, well, we got abducted again last night. And I'll say, okay, well, who was abducted on the inside? Or was it the physical body? It was like, no, the physical body didn't go anywhere. It was Mary and Martha.

They were abducted. So it's like, okay, first of all, not all abductions involve a physical body being removed. sometimes it's literally soul fragments or what people would call pieces of their consciousness, right? But these are soul fragments that are pulled out of the body. It's all in the second heaven astral plane. And then they're placed on a craft and something is done. And then they're sent back into the body or not. And so that information becomes an interaction with the second heaven.

But that conversation may proceed forth. Well, who took them? It's like, well, the pleiades said it. It's like, well, you know, are there a certain agreement that still sit between you and the pleiatingians? maybe this was the first time we've talked about it. They're like, yeah, you know, it's this and that. So I'm talking with soul fragments or alternate personalities. They're helping me to understand the nature of the spiritual bondage the person is in. And I'm going to go after it with some kind of deliverance resource and break that connection. Typically, it may be markers in the DNA or the

blood that are open doors, bloodline iniquity, certain agreements, contracts. There may be some, you know, Pleiadian loyal parts or those that serve on the fleets. And we have to go get those other soul fragments that sit in the second heaven outside of the body most of the time. So all of this interaction becomes a second heaven encounter, but I'm getting the information is actually the encounter of my client. What happens at the end of it? Total breakthrough deliverance and healing. And an end of spiritual harassment because once we're done with them, the Pleiadians can no longer

abduct that person's soul parts. Move on. What's the next line item? How else can we sever this person from the influences of the ungodly thing? that have held them hostage all their lives. My own personal encounters, they come often in times of prayer. But for me, right,

it's not that much time I'm going to spend in the second heaven. So it'll be for me like, I go into prayer and I'm stepping into Christ. So I'm actually stepping into third heaven realities at that point. If I'm going to handle something in prayer or intercession, I'm doing so from Zion. I'm doing so from heavenly Jerusalem. I'm doing so from heavenly thrones. And I'm speaking down on lower realms from that identity and positioning in Christ. So you have second heaven realities, you have third heaven realities, which, you know, the Bible says we have been blessed with every

spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus. And you contrast that with, and God will make known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, his wisdom through the church. That's Ephesians chapter, I think two. So you actually have heavenly places in Christ. You have principalities, powers, fallen beings in heavenly places. Those are different heavenly places. You have third heaven, heavenly places, second heaven heavenly place. As believers, we get to operate from a higher realm, which has its own encounter experience as well. So most of my encounter experience is going to sit there and we'll engage from there down to these lower realms.

And I mean, which is why my personal encounter realm will include interactions with what I would call the cloud of witnesses, angelic encounters, throne room encounters, like hanging out with Jesus, like all of this. to me is very real. It's actually a practical part of my life. It's not like, you know, for some people to be like, you know, they talk about the one time they had this encounter with God at a church and it changed their whole life or, you know,

maybe Jesus appeared to him once. It's like, for me, it's just lifestyle. It's like, I go into prayer and I'm having a conversation with God, like right there. I mean, that's what's available to all of us, in my opinion. So that's a lot of my encounter realm. but I spent a lot of time navigating the realities of the second heaven because I work with so many people that are in bondage in the realms of the second heaven. And that's what takes me into a working knowledge of how the mechanics work between this world and the second heaven. Other planets, other stars, other groups, and entity factions, like all of this stuff, inner earth, hollow earth.

Like we are in all of these realms getting people set free that have come from every kind of background, from government projects to satanic ritual abuse and Illuminati backgrounds. Like that. So, I mean, in that, I spend a lot of time. Now, what you were talking about with your friend, you know, there is a lot of nuance around the soul and the spirit and its interaction with the body. and for a lot of people, you know, it becomes reasonable for the soul, based on their trauma background or whatever, to step out of the body. It's a type of dissociation. It's called depersonalization. But like, you know, from a psychological standpoint, but it's like the soul steps out of the body and the body's here and it's almost like the person is watching their body do actions. That's typically actually the interaction of soul and spirit when the soul has dissociated. out of the body and is looking at the body do things.

So what happens is you have a consciousness associated with a piece of the soul that's sitting out of the body and a consciousness of the soul that's still in the body. So the person may watch himself do something, but that's two soul parts that are working in conjunction. So like for his scenario, it's almost as if like he soul fragmented himself in that moment. Yeah.

Whoa. Yeah. Wow. But the spirit would sit almost outside of the that encounter realm entirely and that is like a whole other subset. That's wild. Yeah. That's wild.

So like you're saying, I find this fascinating. So you're saying that I don't know if you're saying his situation, but you're saying it can be where there's a soul fragment where part soul and body, soul outside of body, communicating with body, and then spirit can be observing all that. 100%. Wow. And, and I mean, this is where. things get really wild. Gosh, I mean, how deep do you want to go? I'm good. I'm good.

We haven't sunk the ship yet? No, there's no ship to sink, man. This is on the captain. We haven't sunk the ship yet. I'm worried about it, man. Like, listen, like, I, I guess my life goal was to sink the ship. And I want to see how crazy we can get before the ship sinks. Let's go. I'm good. So one of the real problems that people, people have, have, golly, cloning. Yeah. So... 100% I'm right there with you.

You don't have to, like, for sure. Cloning's real. So, and I, and I've said that on the show before. The audience knows where I stand on that. So, yeah. So there's a lot of cloning technologies. But, and, you know, you have clones that last a few weeks. Clones that can basically last a lifetime.

It just depends on how they do the process. But whatever they, do, they're borrowing on the DNA and the cell lines and they're doing whatever they do. And oftentimes, the way that a clone gets animated is with a soul part. So that same sole part that could step out of the body and watch the soul part in the body do something like, they could take a soul part and traffic it into a clone body. Oh. Yeah. Now what happens is you could have a person in two or three locations. Yeah. At the same time, just different pieces of their broken soul. sitting in different bodies.

Wow. And so if you have a person going through life here on the surface world, but you have a clone of them in a deep underground military facility and you start torturing the clone, there can be a transference of that torture through the quantum realm and onto, it can literally be mapped to the person's life in the surface world. It's awful.

Sometimes people are going through extraordinary torment. they're part of certain projects and they have clones and the clones are being tortured and they're over here because of the quantum interface suffering all kinds of symptoms. Whoa. Wow.

That's blowing my mind. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think after this conversation one of the things you'll have is like you're going to start hearing stories and you're going to be like, wait a minute. Because this is what I do all the time. Because, you know, people come to me, and they say, Daniel, you're never going to believe this. I say, try me.

Try me. And then they begin to explain to me the most off-the-wall extraordinary stuff. And they're like, this is my lived experience. How do you explain that? You know, and when I first got started, it'd be like, I have no idea. Now it's like, well, let me give you the map. This happened because of this, and this is why this is this and this is why this is this. And then I'll be like, and this is how we can pray about it. I mean, because we have prayers for all this stuff. Like, our prayer resources map the mechanics of stuff I explain so that when we, you know, release the prayer resources in the name of Jesus, like the stuff just resolves. I mean, our deliverance has really gone to extraordinary places.

And there's a lot of fruit behind it. But, you know, this is actually what sits behind a lot of the Secret Space program stuff, the cloning. And, you know, what, what, happen is you'll have a person that's having like a lived experience on the earth and they're going through life but they feel very hollow and depressed. Well, there are pieces of their soul that have been taken out and they're currently sitting on 20 inbacks. They're in another body, in another place, off and off planet. And they're on a contract with some kind of group doing something in another

body and at a certain point, they'll be time shot back. Some of the bodies that people are forced to habitate are not fully human bodies, which makes the secret space program even more weird, because people could actually pull back a memory, and this is one of the funny things. It's like, I had a memory of being a reptile on Mars, and it's like, I must have been reincarnated. And it's like, well, hold on. One of the ways that these secret space program projects are done is they will actually take your DNA, but they'll mix it with reptilian DNA. We'll build a body that's partially human, partially not.

They'll put a sole part in that body, and they'll send that body to a planet that requires that kind of a body to do a mission on. And eventually the sole part that is in that body may come back to original body on this planet. timeline with some of the memories that it carries that might bleed through to the presenters like Dream World. Wow. That makes, that actually, I hate to, I'm surprising. That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense.

So is that where I'm mad in life now that this is making sense? You know, you're wearing this shirt. What does your shirt say? It gets weird. Come on! You can buy yours at murkmerch.com. It's crazy, man. That's wild. Okay. So I feel like soul fragmenting, this fragmenting is providing a blueprint right now for understanding when it comes to these

things that maybe traditionally has been hard to wrap our minds around. If you can come to the understanding and maybe even the acceptance of that this does happen, then it provides a blueprint of understanding people's experiences and what they're talking about at times. Because sometimes people say things to me and I just, you know, I don't know what to tell you. Like, I'm hearing you, but I don't know how to wrap my mind around it. And I feel like this is providing that blueprint for these kind of people. I mean, like you brought up the idea of reincarnation. And now, like, when people say that they feel like they're, they have these memories from a past life,

it really could be a soul fragment. Yeah, it could be. And that's the thing, you know, I've gotten a lot of questions about reincarnation. Do I believe in it? No, I think the Bible says it's appointed unto men wants to die and after that to judgment. I really do believe that.

Was it Hebrew 9? Yep, yep, yep. And I think that in order for God to judge us fairly, he has to judge us based on one context. So there's like a life that we live that is the source of like, well, what did you do with that life? And that's this one.

So if we had like 10 lives and then we get to the judgments, like, which one do we get judged on? It just, it doesn't seem to align with Christian theology. And what I do find, however, is that, you know, reincarnation does get explained other ways. And some of those include time travel where a person has memories that were retrieved during some kind of time travel. project that involved them or a piece of their soul. And that begins to be recovered as memory. Another way that they will experience that is because our DNA actually holds ancestral memory in it. And there is a way to extract ancestral memories from the DNA.

And when that happens, a person can believe that the experiences of their ancestors that sit in their DNA was their lived experience, even though it wasn't, and call that a past life. The entire game series, Assassin's Creed, is based on this reality that there are genetic memories of our ancestors that sit in our DNA that we inherit. And, you know, I mean, the whole idea of generational passage of stuff is well articulated in the Bible. One of the things the Bible says is, you know, when Adam sinned, all sinned, because we were all in him, like the first Adam. We were all in his loins.

So when he sin, we all sin. And that's why man has a sin nature. And so the last Adam, Jesus Christ, becomes a life-giving spirit. So based on his one sacrifice, all are made righteous that believe in him. And so it's like, okay, we transitioned from the first Adam to the last Adam. We relocate in the spirit world. Now we're in the Christ, and we have eternal life. So there are definitely things that we inherit, and that can actually include memory.

So that is another source of what people would call that. And then there's a third one, which is even weirder. I don't know if you want to talk about it. Please. I remember I was working with a client years ago, and this was actually one of the places where I found out that the secret space program was very involved in trying to tear down the restrainer. And the person was saying, you know, I'm having these memories, but I can't place it in my timeline. Nothing makes sense.

And I said, well, I agree. Nothing makes sense. So we started working on it. And what I found, I'm actually a soul. And she gave me her name. And I was like, well, how old are you? She's like, well, I'm like 98 years old. And I'm like, is this your body?

Do you belong here? She was like, no. Like, how did you get here? So I'm talking to, in the person's hearing, like all the stuff that this person is saying and they're inside of them. And I'm like, how did you get here? Well, you know, my body was aging out. And, you know, I'm part of the Secret Space program. I'm very, very important to certain missions.

And so they took me out. My body died. but they stored me inside of here. And they will basically abduct me out of this body, which was my client's body. I'll do my operations or whatever. Then they'll store me back inside of here. Ooh, that's probably not where you want to be. Well, it turned out I was able to introduce this sole part of this individual whose physical body had already died to Jesus.

She accepted Jesus from the inside of my client's body and went with him. God is good. Whoa. Now, while I was talking to this person, they were like, I'm going to tell you the juice, like the real tea. And I was like, spill the tea friend. They were like, these people are working to tear down the restrainer. Like that is totally part of the Secret Space Programme operation. They're working with all of these different groups to do it.

There's a lot of trade on to all these technologies. like these technologies entering the human domain are not coming from earth and human intelligence. We talked about all kinds of things. And the point was that the memories of the soul fragment of the person that was stored in my client bled through, and my client was starting to encounter these memories and we're like, I can't reconcile these memories

to my lived experience or any of the parts that I know belong to me, or my trauma. I don't understand this. It's like, well, yeah, because those memories

were actually the memories of another human, but because of this soul trade and soul swapping, now you're getting memories of another person. Whoa. Okay, so on this reincarnation,

we're talking about soul swapping, soul fragments, all this stuff, right? Now, earlier we're talking about the pre-ademic, and I hate to go all the way back to earlier, but it is, you're talking about people having spirits that are older than the body and the soul. Yep. Would that be considered reincarnation?

Well, no, but I would call it incarnation, not reincarnation. So the spirit has all this. lived experience through what I believe are actually many ages and then from Adam to now that spirit will get

one official incarnation in this world complete with a human soul and a human spirit which is why you said I think it was in Jeremiah that I knew you before you were in this womb

And when we read that, people think, I think traditional thought is, I had you in mind. Yeah. But it's, I knew you. You and me knew each other before you were incarnate. Interesting. That's really interesting. Okay. This is wild stuff, man.

Okay. So. I'm going to tell you something else. You really want the juice? I want the juice, man. I'm here for it. This is a mess. So now, God created spirits that were male and female.

Some people think the spirit is just sexless. Not. Not so. And one of the things that I began running into, like, I mean, we've been getting people delivered of this for a long time, is the idea that female spirit, that are now here as humans were in the pre-edamic age, sometimes enslaved,

sometimes deceived. They were forced in some occasions, especially those taking captive during wars that were lost, literally, that the dark side won certain battles. These women, as spirit beings, were prostituted. Whoa.

And had children. In the spirit. For different entity groups. That sounds very much like Nephilim. Exactly. And you mean like they're basically breeding nephalum? Pre-ademic nephalum. Whoa.

These children were involved. in pre-ademic civilizations on this earth and set up some of the ancient sites we can't explain. Like pyramids and stuff? Or? Yeah.

Wow. Okay. Above and below the surface. So the history of this planet, according to what's beginning to come out in our ministry, is much more complicated than I could have ever imagined because I've had to add a whole new piece that not only were their pre-ademic entity groups, but that those pre-ademic entity groups used certain human spirits to get children that then collaborated in pre-ademic entity groups, but that those pre-ademic entity groups used certain human spirits to get children to get children that then collaborated in pre-ademic defilement of this planet. I'm just like, and I'm talking about Atlantis, Memorial, Babylon, Tataria, like, this stuff is off the charts.

And the amount of grieving and pain and manifestation that will come off of people when the human spirit begins to repent of and get delivered of, the children that it sired for some of these other groups is also extremely intense. You can't go through a deliverance like that and be like, oh, yeah, they're making this up. All right. So with this stuff that you're involved in, the ministry you have with deliverance, I'm assuming there's spiritual attack that comes your way for doing this stuff.

But part of the spiritual attack that people are going through is this soul fragmenting. And the trafficking of their soul fragments all over Second Heaven Cosmos, is there ever an ability to be aware? I guess like the awareness of, you know, there being an attempt of soul fragment metting would be like the abduction memories and things like that. And I've heard people talk about seeing lines of people walking on to crafts. And is that,

Is that their soul fragments or is it were those legit people? But if there is an awareness on that level, have you ever experienced that where it's like an attack that comes on you and they're trying to soul fragment you to maybe even diminish you and pull you back from what you're doing? I'm sure you've had some kind of spiritual attacks from doing this stuff or at least attempts. Well, we could talk. So, where do I begin? Look, I think early on, I mean, the attack on my life began early on. And I think a lot of that was taking full advantage of my bloodline iniquity. Because I had voodoo on my dad's side.

I had Speedy Thimo on my mom's side. I had a pretty robust, like, inheritance of not good. practices on both sides of my family. And with that said, I mean, I remember seeing demons as early as like two years old, like with my physical eyes. And that went on for a while. Like I was actually quite fearful. You know, I, when I was really young, I mean, I started to sleep with, I would have

like toys like toy bow and arrow, toy sore. I would just pile a bunch of those in my bed because like, in my mind, I'm like, well, maybe I can protect myself or whatever. But that was also, you know, when I was young, one of the things that really pushed me towards Jesus and knowing him, like, as the king of glory and the Lord of Creation is because I learned that his name could stop that activity, at least in the moment. But, you know, no number of times that I called on the name of Jesus did it stop it for good, like where I was like, I'll never have to worry about that again.

later on in childhood, it moved from being like physical, like, oh, I saw it with my physical eyes to being, like, I wouldn't see it with my physical eyes, but they would enter in while I was sleep in my dreams. And then it would become a physical attack, like not seeing it physically, but like a physical attack that might begin with the sleep paralysis, but then it'd be wrestling, it'd be like getting beat up. I mean, I was going through it. And, you know, I could stop that with the name of Jesus as well. But the closer I tried to get to God, and this was like middle school through high school,

the more intense the attacks became. I mean, it was really intense. And, you know, I had some wild encounters, you know, throughout all of that. I mean, there was one time where I literally woke up and had scratch marks on my body. Like, this was all preempting, like anything that I did for God, like any of this ministry, whatever. And I think, I think they knew who I was when I came in. I mean, I think the enemy maps who comes in, who, like, because it actually makes a lot more sense. Like, they know who you were in a pre-ademic age. They know who you are probably going to, you know, become or why you're

here in this age. And that's going to determine the kind of attack that they're going to put on any person's life. And so I had a bunch. And, you know, it took me a long time to figure out how to get all that to stop in my own life. It was a journey that no one could explain to me. And with Jesus, we were able to work it out by, you know, and, I mean, now, now I don't get much. I mean, I, I sleep, like, very, very peacefully. My home is at peace. We've figured. out most of this stuff. And my own personal deliverance process whereby I've, you know, I'm not only ministering to others, like all of this stuff I ministered to myself as well. It's like, well, now they don't have the doors and the gates and the backdoor access and

the iniquity, whatever they were using to push that through. But I've had, you know, leading up to this point a lifetime of journey where it's like they pushed plenty through. There was plenty of opposition. And I mean, I mean, even to the state, like whatever they can do to slow down or stop what God is doing, they're going to do. Even to the extent of, you know, secondary and tertiary relationships, they're going to affect those people that come within my proximity to try to get a way in, even if they can't attack me through the front door. And so, you know, employees, volunteers, volunteers, you know, relationships, whatever it is, like can, are susceptible to serious attack and all of that.

and even like when we're trying to get this permit to do this build out on our church property, you know, there's like so many things. If it's vulnerable, they're going to throw everything they can at it. And that forces me to, you know, work out, well, how do we intercede appropriately? Yeah. The open door aspect makes a lot of sense. I mean, you have done a lot of work closing doors. So the attack that gets waged, it's not like there's just an open window for things to come through and mess with people.

But the attack will hit the outer circle, you know, and that's the thing. I mean, I experienced that last year. I was telling you about how, you know, that whole episode thing that dropped. And we experienced, and I never really considered it before, but spiritual warfare being on the last. level of attacking your finances, attacking your scheduling. And it was like everything that could go wrong was going wrong. And it was one of those things where you were sitting there, you're like, man, I know this is going to sound crazy, but if I don't know any better, this is happening. Like, it's like spiritual warfare or something, you know. And thank God I was in the mindset to

accept that and understand that in the moment. Because then I was able to attack it, you know, and pray against certain things that maybe just a year ago, I would have been like, I feel kind of silly praying against this right now. Like, well, my schedule's being attacked spiritually, you know? But it was like when you start seeing these patterns and what that, like, what are the consequences of having, it was like a loaded week of people to interview. And one by one, they were canceling. And there was several.

one was Pastor Rick Renner. And they even said, like, this never happens, but he has to, he has, I forget what, I think it was an emergency. We obviously got it done later, but there was this attack to stop, stop, stop. I was just like, man, this feels like spiritual warfare, but it's just not what I would have expected, you know? Like, I was expecting like spiritual warfare be, you know, like, you know, the traditional, oh, there's a demon in the corner of a room, let's pray against it in Jesus' name. And it was just like, some people that works for and then there's some people and very low ego here when I say this but that doesn't work for and I don't believe that the kind of stuff works for me and I've told

you last night like it's clear over the past several years there has been attempts to derail me and I'm just hard-headed with it and so there's new tactics that get you know introduced and that's how I feel like that's the season I'm in my life right now where it's just like I'm looking around I'm seeing these attacks coming in different forms that I never would have expected, you know. But I want to kind of come back to the soul fragmenting and this whole second heaven, because there's people that are, by all my understanding, they're accessing the second heaven. they're not Christians they're working for

what I would call the enemy they're doing it consciously starts out a lot of times through lucid dreaming but I've heard people say that they they go like they're just they're gone they go and

in a particular story where there was almost like a replacement like this guy told the person he was with it's going to get weird now and he wound up growing like six, seven inches. And after the growth was over, whatever replaced this person said that this person is no longer here. He'll be back soon. And he was off doing something. Physically he changed right here, you know. And you talk about superhuman speed and all

this crazy stuff. It feels like to me the second heaven is almost like this I hate to say like this because I feel like it's probably not accurate, but like a free-for-all. It just feels like it's an active war zone. And it's a free-for-all where it's like there's not a whole lot of rules. And it's like you step on that war field and it's like anything goes. Is that an accurate perception? Because that's what it feels to me. Hey, everyone.

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He ate no meat, and he was basically just eating vegetables for 21 days. Well, when the angel finally appears to Daniel, he explains to him, I came for your words, but I was withheld 21 days. So from the moment that Daniel made his petition, the angel was sent. And Gabriel, in the New Testament, says, I'm Gabriel who stands in the presence of God. Like, he has a very high position in God's angelic armies. And yet, this guy was still buffeted for 21 Earth days before he could appear to Daniel. And why did that happen?

The answer is because of the first, the Prince of Persia. And then he said, you know, now that I've come, the Prince of Greece is going to come. But the Prince of Persia withstood me 21 days. What that reveals is that second heaven is a war zone, where you have agents that serve the Most High God and agents that don't. and they combat within the second heaven realm. So that is one of the, I think, clearest biblical pictures of what we can lean into so that we understand the nature of the second heaven.

It is a war zone, and there's a lot of activity there. So when you see things like the court of heaven, in the book of Zechariah, for instance, You know, Zechariah sees Joshua the high priest standing in God and Satan standing at his right hand to resist. Like that seems to be not an event happening in the second heaven. That is happening in a heavenly courtroom. Well, in a second heaven, this is a war.

Things fight. Things get into it. And the way that I've mapped it, my map looks kind of like this. You have earth and you have earth. atmosphere over the surface world of the planet. What seems to be the case is that the earth atmosphere is the first heaven. Like anything that flies in the sky, the birds, they fly, like the birds of the heavens. The Bible talks about that.

That would be the first heavens, the physical birds that fly in the air above. Our heads, the air that we breathe. And then I believe something weird happens once you exit Earth's atmosphere. So we were actually talking about this a little bit. My leaning is that once a person crosses Earth's atmosphere, or I believe what the Bible calls Rakia, the realm that is outer space beyond Earth atmosphere actually comes under a government of the second heaven. So what may not be physical on the earth once we close. the atmosphere can become like a physical reality in outer space. So it gets really interesting, in my opinion, but I do believe we live in a physical universe,

but I think that that physical universe beyond Earth atmosphere comes into a second heaven conversation, which now includes other planets, stars, dwarf planets, etc. a row. And then there are dimensions. And so, like, we live in the third dimension in experientially, physically. But we are affected by more dimensions than that. And the evidence of this is quantum mechanics, like literally the unlocking of the quantum realm and our understanding of how that, like, these realities definitely affect us. And so you, also begin to talk about vibration states. And I believe that the second heaven includes the realms that exist beyond the 3D realm

to a point. So not only do you have second heaven territory once you exit Earth's atmosphere, but dimensionally behind the 3D experience on this planet's surface, you also have other Second Heaven territory. So, like, we could be sitting here having a conversation. I mean, let's say that I was going to go and witness to you, for instance. And, you know, you're unsaved, which you're not, but, you know, and I'm evangelist, Dan. And I'm saying, I'm going to tell you about Jesus Christ.

Well, now I'm making a war in the spirit world over this individual's destiny. And there may be demonic agents that are behind that person in their bloodline and say, we want to fight their ability to make a decision for Jesus because we don't want them to choose Christ in life. And we want to use them for evil and darkness. And over here, I am to say, I want to tell you about Jesus. But now, as I'm speaking Christ, God is fighting for that person's salvation. So there are angels that come on this side through my communication. there are demons that come on this side to resist what God is trying to push into this individual's life.

And our interaction is happening in the 3D realm. All we see is two people talking. In a spirit world, a war has broken out over that person's destiny. And depending on how much intercession and preparation, a consecration went into the vessel that is now going to bring that ministry of Christ to the unsaved individual, that's going to determine the strength of the angelic force behind, them as they engage that ministry to war for that person's future. So you see a person that does a lot of intercession over their ministry. They're going in with a much more beefed up army of God.

And you're going to see the results in the salvation and possibly also what follows. Healing, deliverance, change, transformation, time of prayer, breakthrough power is there. When there's almost no prayer, the armies are working with a lot less power. And so you have less. So you will have a reality and a physical sitting here. But right behind is the second heaven reality. And the way that I've mapped it is, okay, so you have the earth atmosphere and then second heaven territory in space. And then you have 3D realm on the surface of the planet. And then you have behind it the different layers of dimensional planes. I believe that the lowest dimensional plane is what the warlocks and the witches and all of the people on the occult world

will call the astral plane. I actually use that term all the time as well just because it's universally understandable. It's just kind of that term has proliferated. It's not a biblical term, but I believe that it references a very real reality that right behind our 3D world exists a low realm of the spirit that includes a lot of demonic activity, angelic activity, human spirit activity, soul activity. So you have souls, demons, hybrids, spirits, human, like all of that is navigating this, what I would call an astral plane, and they call it that as well. And that's like right on top of our world.

And then beyond that, you have other dimensional planes as well that exist at different vibration states. There's a point where you're no longer in the second heaven and it is the domain of the realms in Christ. And I'll call that third heaven. That's where Paul comes and says, whether in the body or out of the body, I don't know. Such a one was caught up into the third heaven and into paradise where I heard languages that I can't even utter. Like that realm in Christ is another area of the heavens entirely where the laws are different and the activity is also different. So that's how I explain it. And this is where I believe that Christians have been really duped.

Because what I believe has gone wrong is you've had a lot of people in Christianity say, well, Christians have no business being in the spirit world. And what they mean is Christians have no business astral projecting and using transcendental meditation and other occult practices to step out of their body and work with demons. But they'll language that and just say, well, Christians have no business being in the spirit world because they think that's the only way to be in the spirit world. And that's an erroneous assumption. But when you have many Christians that are trained to stay as far away from the spirit world as possible, which you end up with is navigating. a very reduced calling, where you anchor everything that, you know, you think is actually holy or Christian to a 3D framework, which cuts the power out. Wow.

So you surrender the entire astral plane and the second heaven activity that is affecting everything that happens in the 3D world to the witches, to the warlocks, to the people that are working iniquity. and they get to navigate the spirit world that is most immediately affecting the 3D realm uncontested. I believe that that's backwards thinking. I believe that God wants his children to govern the kind of activity that can and cannot occur

in the second heaven realms most closely associated with our calling and territory in the name of Jesus. So I actually go to the complete opposite. direction. And I'm like, no, there is a holy way to engage with the astroplane and the spirit world that it does not require demonic practices, chanting, Ouija boards, meditations that are occult in nature, mantras, and chanting, you know, all this stuff that is clearly a cult. We don't do any of that. But I spend a lot of time in. in Christ maneuvering things in the second heaven realm.

And for that reason, I believe that, you know, we are changing lives and destinies. Timelines. I can't tell you how many times we have done work in the second heavens and turn around. We look at the news and our prayer work made the news. Like, that's been happening for the last decade. but we were intentionally engaging the second heavens with the name of Jesus, the finished work of the cross, the blood, the power of God, and when things get moved around in his name, in that realm,

everything in the earth reorganizes around it. So this, I believe, is part of the Great Awakening. It's God, you know, as he's preparing his bride to be received by the bridegroom, Jesus Christ, we're moving into the end of the age. He is also calling his church to be a governing force in the second heaven. So these occultists, witches, and evil beings have to be held accountable for their evil actions, pushed under judgment and absolutely disintermediated from all of their operations. It actually comes straight back to us.

and this is where I would get into a whole conversation on what I would call the governing church because you have a church that's a social club and then you have the church that tells the spirit world how it's going to work in a region. You have a church that when it prays, the gangs all get arrested. You have a church that when it prays,

revival breaks out. You have a church that when it prays, the government is swapped out and God replaces evil leaders with godly leaders that enforce actual law. That's our job. That's like it's putting a whole different weight on what we're meant to do here and what our responsibilities are.

Like, and you were talking about with prayer, I mean, growing up in the Christian church, you're taught about prayer. and it's like, I think we're greatly underestimating the power of prayer because like when you're talking about how it's like, and it's not all Christians, right?

There are Christians who when they're praying, they're bringing a beefed up army with them. And that's something that was built up through prayer. That's wild. Well, and this is a thing, you know,

even like your podcast, versus, you know, we kind of talk about, about this. It's like, well, things are moving to another level. It's, you know, they're... And what you have to realize is, the conversation that you're having here is really exposing the supernatural realm to a lot of people.

And in a way that is pulling in folks from all different walks of life. Like, you know, your podcast is not exclusively appealing to Christians. And it's also appealing to Christians that are... not wanting to have the supernatural conversation in another context. But all of that working together is creating an environment where God is able to seed a lot of people with a different perspective, which in and of itself is a threat to the kingdom of darkness. So now you have to deal with your name being put on the map. Yeah, I've been feeling that. I've been feeling that I was telling you yesterday

for so long I've just operated in ignorance just oh just Tony the story guy I'm no threat like it is what it is we just have story time for an hour and a half a week you know and now it's like I'm realizing that yeah

the name is on on posters wanted posters in the second heaven you know it's amazing. We often don't even realize the level of consequence that our lives have until, you know, certain things are brought, just placed like right in our face. I mean, I started this whole thing as, you know, a podcast in 2012 and, you know, discovering truth has, you know, had its ups and downs. And, you know, the past couple of years, it's become more of a hobby than

anything else because we were called the planted church. And, you know, the actual church building, the equipping, the building of many ministers. Like, that's been the primary for me the past few years. But, I mean, I had to go through my own, like, growth journey. And I had the same, you know, insignificance problem. Like, I was just like, oh, gosh, you know, when I launched my podcast, I had like, 30 listeners. You know, it's like back in 2012, it was like,

I didn't even listen to my own podcast. I was like, I didn't tell people. I was like, I am so insecure about what I'm talking about on this podcast. I don't even want my friends to know I'm doing it. the podcast. So, like, how far are you going to get with that attitude? So, um, you know, and then I started working with survivors and I'm like, you know, I'm not endorsed by a big ministry. I don't have a lot of listeners. I don't have this. You know, I'm just trying to pray for some people. And then I sat down with a person and they're like, look, I have one of my

sole parts, you know, because we're dealing with D.I.D. And they're like, one of the sole parts, the alternate personality has something to say. What was the ID? The social part. The social Identity Disorder, which is extreme dissociation, producing alternate personality. So one of the alternate personalities or altars wants to talk to you. So the alternate personality comes up. I say, what's going on? I said, look, I'm not supposed to tell you this, but, you know, after our last session, I was pulled out of the body, summoned and out, like, literally taken to this massive

building in the spirit world off planet, where I was, I was pulled out of the body, summoned and out, like, literally taken to this massive building in the spirit world off planet, where I was questioned by a council and they wanted to know everything about you. I was like, you got questioned by a council of spirit beings about me? I'm just a podcast guy. Like what?

Yeah. What is happening right now? You know, and it was just like, oh my gosh, I'm in the middle of something that's way more than I bargained for when I started this podcast and started trying to pray for some people

that are just really hurting and wounded. You know, another person told me, like, you're not supposed to know this, but, you know, they're having a whole lot of meetings about how they're going to stop you. And I was like, but I just have a little time. Like, they're having meetings.

Like, who's having meetings? Like, all these fallen angels and other entities, like they, yeah, they hate your guts, you know? And that makes you wonder how many people are even doing, it if when you're doing it and you just view yourself as I'm just a podcaster guy like it's not I'm not a big deal in the in this physical realm it makes you wonder why are you standing out so much and is it because there's a lack of people doing these things in general or is it that they

they saw the spirit free endemic spirit and they're like we know where this is going yeah and it's all of the above. I mean, and most of us don't even realize what we are carrying or called to. And this is another thing that, you know, I think would be good to talk about just here in general because there's a lot of things. This podcast started and you got me going and, you know, I, you know, I usually try to self-govern like a lot when I'm on podcast. I'm not, this is where I'm going to stop. This is where I'm going to draw the line. I'm going to be as, you know, organized. And I come in and I rip those cards. The next thing I know, I'm like, oh, golly, did I just say that?

Yes, I did. All right, moving on. So, you know, we got caught up in that, but kind of grounding some of this out. We are in a season where there is a great awakening happen. And God is doing something extraordinary. And a lot of people, I believe, have not been able to understand the context of what they were put here on the earth to do within their lived religious experience because the religious experience itself

does not make room for the size of the call that God gave. It makes a lot of sense. So people have felt lost or disenfranchised or just divinely frustrated in churches because they're like, I can't connect with what brings me life because it's the calling that really brings us life

when we connect with that. And it's like, I don't even feel like I belong or I don't feel like I'm connecting with what I was created. I still don't know what I was created or put here to do. To me, a lot of times that indicates people that, that whatever their lived experience is or religious experience, it hasn't given enough room for them to understand the context of the calling itself.

But the calling is big because the season that we're living and includes a lot of the elements that I've been talking about. And, you know, what would have happened, this is what usually happens is, you know, we hear things or whatever. can't. I'm not ready for that or this or that. And then God will bring us back around to it a few years. And it's like, oh, well, now I can buy it. And I can believe it. And it's like, and by the way, your calling is in that context, sir. So then we begin to connect. But it's important for us to understand scroll, the concept of scroll and the heavenly scroll, because God has something very

important he wants to do in this hour of history. I mean, it's off the charts important. And that is revealed in what I would call heavenly scroll. And what I mean by that is, in the book of Psalms, it says that all of the days of our lives were written in his book when as yet there were none of them. We have a lot of crazy activity going on. Hybrids popping up all over the place. Mind control agendas that have gone off the charts. Technology harassment that has gone off the charts. I mean, the move towards singularity, which is where artificial intelligence begins to surpass,

you know, human intervention is like closing in on us. Like, Ray Kurzweil was once upon a time saying it's 2045. Now people are saying it might be as early as 2030. I mean, that's like five years from now. And then our whole world changes. Who knows when SkyNet, according to Terminator movie series, comes online. It's like, what are we heading into? And it's like, yeah, this is a very critical point in human history where God has very important things for us to do in this frame of time. And the Bible says all of the days of our lives were written in this book when as yet there were none of them. One of the things that I've realized is God created every person with something significant in mind. And he was so committed to that. He wrote it. down so that he would be accountable to the purpose he said he gave us.

You know, it's kind of like, guess the number that's in my head, but I don't write it down. I can change my answer as many times as I want. It's like, well, I'm thinking seven, you say seven. I'm like, I don't want to get the right answer. No, I said four, but there's no accountability until you write it down. Once you write it down and you say, you're thinking of four. I have to turn it over. That's my accountability.

I wrote it down. God is accountable to the purpose he created us for when he made us. And that is very significant. Now, what is that called when God writes down what our days were before there were any of them? That's a heavenly scroll for our lives. That is something that God wants us to walk out. The Bible echoes this in the New Testament. It says, we were created.

in Christ Jesus for good works which he prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Well, how did he prepare them? He wrote them down. And so scroll is the idea that we were created and sent here. Sent with this extraordinary purpose for this season, which is a great awakening season, And that is something that is contested. So what happens with a heavenly scroll that we have to really embrace is that when you live in a world, which we all do, that is defined by free will, meaning people can actually make decisions. Spirits are making decisions. Like there's a lot of contesting, and it's happening on multiple dimensions.

It's happening in the 3D world. It's happening in the spirit world. It's happening in the second evidence. It's happening on an astroplane. So just because God created us with a purpose and an intent and a very specific thing in mind does not mean we're walking in it. It means we are responsible to connect to the knowledge of it and contend for it. It's actually our job to contend for what God designed us to do and sent us here to do. And when we sit back and we just say, well, I'm just going to, you know, collect information or just be sitting on a set.

sidelines. I'll pray for you, brother. I like the mission of your organization. Here's $10. Well, no, that's, that is self-limiting. It's actually, this is the season where God is like, okay, there's a clarion call going out. There is a very, very critical juncture in Earth history. There is a company of people that was saying here to be very significant in the process of all that's going to transpire going into the future. Wake up now. There is a heavenly scroll for you, and it's time to begin contending for that. Because that Heavenly Scroll, it transcends activity in the physical plane. It actually extends into our responsibility in the spirit world as well.

Because as the body of Christ, we're the ones that are supposed to be governing the spirit world. And if we were doing a better job of that, nations would look different right now. But the good news is, in this great awakening, nations are going to look different a few years from now. I mean, that God is raising up national transformers. And he is, I'm telling you, he is providing tools, resources, understanding revelation, and strategies that have never been articulated in the history of like the New Testament Church right now. It literally is Daniel 12, where, you know, at the end, people shall run to and forth and knowledge shall increase. We're in the increase of knowledge. right now. I mean, you know, I've read a lot of early church fathers and, you know,

ministers of power and signs, wonders, and miracles. Like, you know, reformers, they're not talking about what we're talking about. Right. Right. No. But for such a time as this. Yeah. And the most profound thing that is expanded on this whole conversation on scrolls is not only that God wrote it down, it's not only that we're sent, that we have to contend for it, it's that the scroll transcends lived experience. In other words, there is a scroll associated with our spirit that goes all the way back to the beginning of our existence. And really, what we're walking out on the earth is a piece of that scroll that portends to what we're supposed to do on this plane. But our identity as a son of God is from ancient times and ages,

and it extends into now. So we're actually in this age pulling on much more than we realized. We're at the apex and crux of much more than we could have imagined, which is why there are so many eyes on earth right now. Really? Like, it's like the whole universe. It's like, what are they going to do next? What are they going to do that? So we have the anunnaki, we have the reptilians, we have the Dracos, we have the Pleadians, we have the Arcturians, we have like all these groups. It was like, what are they going to do? And what are we going to do?

And what is this going to mean? Because the cross and what Jesus is going to finish is changing everything about this known order and creation. I mean, the cross is a cosmic thing. Yeah. That's why. And the end of the age is a cosmic thing. Yeah, I mean, so what you just said, it's like they, these things have, I say they, but I don't want to call them things. These things, whatever they are, have this pre-ademic existence, rules, systematic things that were followed.

And after that, the cross was inserted and disrupting the game plan in which they are still, like, now they're on edge because they had a, system and a law and how things worked. War happens, rebellion happens, cross insertion in the timeline. After that, that's when they're sitting around me like, okay, we maneuver here, but now there's a counterpunch. And what's that counterpunch going to be? We don't know. That is really fascinating, man. And we have, so you're placing a lot of importance on the individuals of the day right now, people who are listening to this podcast. We have no idea how important we are. Right. Like, I'm sitting here hearing you talk about this, and I'm thinking there are so many people listening right now that fit the bill you were

describing, not understanding the, you know, feeling like there's something else, but they just don't have the the the that it you know maybe the foundation to start laying for them is for them to understand it's deliberate you are not an accident for this time this was something that you this is a time you were specifically inserted into for a specific reason and maybe start praying and ask god to give you the scrolls for your life because taking it to personal for me, the audience knows a story. You probably even know it, but it's like, I'm literally driving my truck. I don't even believe I was praying. And the Holy Spirit spoke to me and told me I was going to start a podcast. Like, it was like, but at the same time, at that point in my life,

I was feeling like I was wasting my life. I was feeling like I'm meant for more than just driving a truck by myself looking out a window all day. Like there's this deep feeling inside. It's like at one point in my life, I was willing to accept that. I was like all of, yeah, we talked about this last night. All I wanted to do was make money and love my wife. That was it. I didn't care about anything else.

And then once Christ entered the equation, I started having this like, I'm not supposed to be alone here. I'm supposed to be doing something. And so it wasn't that I was praying, but it was like, the Holy Spirit was revealing this is not the finished product here. And I literally, I say it over and over again, I do not believe I was even praying. It was just this download that was given to me that after that I didn't act on because I didn't want a podcast. I didn't know how to podcast. I just drove truck and listened to podcast. And it was literally the guy that the Holy Spirit told me I was going to work with

calling me, first conversation, calling me, and in our first conversation saying, I think you'd be good at a podcast. So, like, it's like, there's this cosmic reality, this cosmic design that we are created for. And if we don't have that defined in our life, it's like, we, that's where we begin. We need to start having God define. Why did you put me here? What's the mission? how can I start fulfilling that mission? Because that once you have the mission and you start acting and following what you've been created to do, the fulfillment comes in, but now you're starting to bring that massive army with you too. As you start fulfilling that commission for your life, it's like that that heavenly army just comes. I'm assuming. That's what I'm

hearing from you and stuff. It's just like right now people are operating at not even half power. and there's so much more there they can be accessing if they have the actual scrolls for their life. They're not just operating off this Western society and culture of, what do you want to be when you grow up? Has anybody ever asked, what does God want me to be when I grow up? You know, okay, so when I got on this pre-ademic thing, I didn't realize where this was fully going to go. It came in piece by piece.

and I for certain didn't know how much this perspective would magnify the finished work of Jesus Christ. Because typically the way that we look at it is like Adam sinned. So Jesus had to come as the last Adam to fix what he broke. And now we're reconciled to God so we can go to heaven. Like that's the limit. But when we had this whole piece that there were all these spirits, a vast robust heavenly community that walked through. through ages and then saw heavenly wars and a downfall of Satan as he's cast out of heaven.

And then another age begin entirely in which God then dies, sacrifices himself to redeem man to God, yes, but also to reconcile all things, whether in heaven or on earth through the blood of the Cross, Colossians chapter 1, verse 19 and 20, what you see is, whoa, this work of the cross, this sacrifice of Jesus is way bigger than I ever thought. Because now we begin to see that, especially the way the deliverance has gone for us, Jesus died in this age to fix pre-ademic traumas that his children endured outside of this age. Every redemptive agenda of God through the ages was anchored to this age. Whoa.

And it is with that revelation that you step into Revelation 4 and 5 when John is pulled through a door and he's sitting in heaven and he sees all of the angels and the for-faith living creature standing around the throne of God. And it's like, who is worthy to open the scroll? The father is holding that scroll. Who is worthy? The father didn't open the scroll. Holy Spirit didn't open the scroll. The Bible says that his soul, according to Isaiah 53, was made an offering for our sins.

It is the lamb slain from the foundation. of the cosmos that receives that scroll. And at an apex in heaven that sits beyond time, what you have is a celebration of the manifestation of God who died for all of his creation through all ages taking a scroll. Whoa. it's so big and so vast. And, you know, that's the God that we worship.

That's the God that we serve. And that's the God who said, I've given you a job to do. And so we, like, this, to me, this is one of the most transforming things. It's like, I sit at the. nexus point of many ages in this life as a member of the body of reconciliation, the body of Christ. Also, being made a member of his church. Because the Ecclese is not a building, Jesus said on this rock, and he's talking about himself, I will build my church in the gates of hell,

Hades. Literally, he was standing at the base of Mount Hermann in front of this entrance point. It's like a hole. They had several temples in that area. One of them was to pan and other, like this whole area is, you know, they basically said creatures ascend out of Hades and come through this hole.

And we do stuff with these entities on this mountain. Like this is this is the same mountain that the angels descended in the days of Jared you know, for Genesis 6. So like, you know, he's standing there and he's saying,

look, on the, the gates of hell would not prevail against my church. The word church is a governing body. Ecclesia is it's actually a governing body. We get that idea from the Greek culture. They determine when people went to war. They determine policy, politics, like it was a governing body. And then Jesus said, look, this is what I've set up on me.

So you have the redeemer of the cosmos setting up a governing body. And the high priest of the order of Malkisadec is the embodiment of the same person, right? Jesus is that high priest of the order of Malkisadegh. So the highest priesthood is established as a governing body. What we need to understand is, as the body of Christ, his church sitting at the nexus point of transition of ages, we actually have a hidden identity as the most powerful governing body in creation. So you tell me who's supposed to be directing traffic in the astro plane.

I think we just got our answer. I think the word, the term calling. What are you called to do? And then followed up with people saying, I've been running from my calling. It's that, that terminology and everything is, is in my mind somehow, I feel like it's becoming outdated talking to you. It's like, no, he's not.

It's not even a calling of, like, it's more of a command. It's like, soldier, these are your orders. Do it. And we're over here saying, maybe I'm not sure. I feel like maybe I won't. I just don't know if that's for me. And it's like. It's probably with that tone of voice too.

Yeah. That's very good. That's very good. But it's like, I mean, It's just, you have the, it's just this weak, it's just like attitude of just, you know, I don't know. I just don't feel like that's me. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. He's commanded you.

So now you're in direct defiance and disobedience sinning. And that's something that I had to grapple with when it came to preaching. Like, I was sitting, I was sitting across the table from a good friend of mine, Larry Raglan, is a pastor's down in Birmingham, Alabama. and we're having dinner. And it was me, Jack, him, and his wife. And he's sitting diagonal across the table from me. And I think we were talking about something completely different.

And he just, I feel like it was out of nowhere. He just looked at me. He's like, let me tell you something. And his Alabama voice is like, you're called a podcast, but you're only operating in half your anointing. You're called to preach and you're not doing it. Oh, man.

And I was just like, whew. I was like, I was like, Oh, like, like, it's very rare for me to in the moment when somebody were to talk to me that way, be like, I'm hearing you, you know? In that moment, I was hearing him. Like, it was like, I think, like, most of them, like, man, I appreciate it. But listen, like, the Holy Spirit ain't telling me that, man. But so until the Holy Spirit tells me that, good feelings for you, whatever.

But like, that was a conviction that I've been, I've been running from, you know, operating in direct defiance for better part of 20 years. And I'm just glad that he did that because I told my pastor like three days later and he scheduled me to start preaching. And I wouldn't say I'm a pastor or a preacher, but I'm definitely gearing up to be a frequent preacher, I'd say. Let's fit that way. Evangelist. That's what I'm calling myself. Evangelist Tony. but it comes back to the idea of the scrolls for individuals' lives and understanding that you've been placed here for a purpose and you are in a war. And whether you like it or not, you've been enlisted.

And it's time to start acting that way. And I feel like with what you're talking about, the more people start grappling with that and start coming to realization, we could see what you're talking about, move movements. Like you were talking about how you guys were in the middle of prayer, you'd turn around and something's changed when it comes to, like, you know, world governance or something.

Like, we could see way more of that. If people would start really coming to understand what their existence here is. Like, we just live so nonchalantly. Like, let's just, you know, what are my dreams? who cares what your dreams are? What are your scrolls?

Good, that's great. You know? Like, what are the scrolls for your life? That should be your dream. Because, like, when you start operating within the scrolls, the dreams you thought you had, there are nothing compared to what the mission of your life is. Like, you want to talk about deep meaning.

That's that deep meaning everybody's looking for. It is. There's no better feeling than to know that you're doing what you were created to do. I mean, like, that. is the source of life that people are looking for, you know? Yeah, look, for what's coming, you need people that are going to be dialed in. Like the Christians of yesteryear, they're not going to be able to navigate the world that's

emerging with their ideology and religious box. Like, God is raising up a new army in this hour that are dialed. into the reality that is presenting, you know? And it's like, I mean, okay, I get frustrated because, you know, someone will come to me and be like, oh, you believe that aliens right around in UFOs? You're crazy. I'm like, you don't? You're crazy.

Like, I'm so done with this cognitive dissonance. I'm like, I just talked to 150 people that were all abducted and you're over here sitting saying like, I don't care what you think. The problem is some of the people that argue this, the hardest, are themselves the ones getting abducted. They're just in denial of their own income. They're trying to figure out a way to dissociate out of what they went through. So they're mad at me for saying it.

And it's like, no, this is happening. There are reptiles living in underground bases that are paid for by your tax dollars. Like, yes, the U.S. government did traffic hundreds of thousands of children over the border under the Biden administration. And HHS knows it. In fact, thank God that RFK is now calling some of that into accountability. But like, look, I mean, stuff is like really happening. happened. We have corporations on Mars. Like that, like, that's like old news. Like, that's crazy. I don't believe that conspiracy. Somebody's like, why is it a conspiracy if it's true? No, the conspiracy is that

someone conspired to do that. It doesn't mean that it's fraudulent information. Yep. Like, and so you, you're speaking, you know, we, we spend a lot of time arguing facts with people who want to live in fantasy and they call their fantasy reality and they call us crazy people. God is like, I have callings and assignments that require people to accept what is true. There are colleagues that are based on the fact that there are reptilian sitting in underground bases. Someone needs to do something about it. Like, people need to be delivered of reptilian entities living in the host body. There are deliverance ministers that need to step up to the plate.

Wow. What are we doing? So arguing the facts. I mean, and so this is why God, God is raising them in a new company. He's like, no, first, first I'm going to wake you up to the reality of what is this world. We're going to break the matrix. And then I'm going to establish you in your calling in a context of the real world. I call it the false reality overlay.

You know, this is the reality that the Illuminati decided they would teach us through our history books and textbooks in school. They said, we're going to hold you accountable to believe fantasy. And I say, I'm done. I'm going to be held accountable to the truth of Jesus to believe the reality. that's staring me and everyone else is listening to the pocket in the face. Yes, Bigfoot is stepping into our world from other dimensions and through portals. Get over it. Let's move on.

We have assignments and callings that require us to accept that as fact. Now, what are we going to do? You know, I'm going to tell you something. One of the big things that is absolutely necessary is this planet is so injured. This planet is so injured. Don't even get me started on the elemental kingdom. unless you want to. Yes.

And I will go there in a heartbeat. But this planet is so injured and defiled. You know, I mean, and talk about like in the Old Testament how you defile land. It's like hang someone from a tree, kill them, and leave them on the tree overnight. That's actually in the book of the law. Like, you can't do that. You have to take the bodies down off of the tree. That's one of the reasons why they had to take Jesus off of the cross before it turned dark.

It's like he died. You have to take them down because if he stays up there, that's a curse on the land. you know, so if you go into like certain areas where they really want to defile the land, they hang dead bodies from the trees and just leave them there for days. That's defilement of the land. Just one example. But like you have so many things that have been done harm to this earth. And some of the most defiled land is the location for some of the most distorted and disruptive negative spiritual activity.

Indian burial grounds, poltergeist activity, right? Yep. I mean, you know, sacred ritual sites, like UFOs and all kinds of entities, like showing up. And, you know, this is, so God is actually in this hour, like, we're going to see a massive influx of callings

to actually cleanse land. Because the earth has been injured. That is giving way for evil entrance into the physical plane that could be circumvented if the land itself was healed. And we sit at the nexus of that. And one of the things that I have realized, and this is like, you know, the next shift in territorial land work, is that some of the principalities and ruling powers over regions of land in different areas of the world are actually pre-ademic spirits. So now when we begin to understand that there's an ability for us as humans given dominion over this planet. The Bible says the heaven, even the heavens are the lords, but the earth he's given to the children of men.

Some people say Adam lost dominion over the earth when he's sitting in the garden. It's like, well, then why did his children get dominion over the planet when God said he gave this earth in the book of Psalms to the children of men? You have Adam that's man. You have children, that's men. The children of men is the third generation out. And we are given the earth. No, man was leased the earth which God owns. And we have a responsibility to do his will in this realm.

And so one of the big things is going to be like, no, there's going to be work that's going to disempower pre-ademic entities and pre-ademic defilements on the earth. in order to make room for God's plans. Like people have to be dialed in to the reality we are up against even step into these callings. Because if you deny everything I've said, you're useless. Say that again. To be useless means without a purpose for use.

God's trying to change that. Maybe that's why you're listening to me right now. Yeah. Sorry, I looked at that. I had to look at them. They're right there. They're right there. Right there.

right there. I'm looking at you. That's me a good thumbnail. It's right there. Jack, screenshot that. Oh, my gosh. Where do I even go with this now? Elementals? Sure. Let's do it. Are we still? I mean, how long are we going?

I don't know. How long are we going, Jack? About two hours and 40 minutes so far? Well, we got time. Keep it going. Keep it going. Let's just keep this going. I hope you guys appreciate this extra long episode. The elemental kingdom got blown up in my face when I went to South Africa in 2023. I didn't see it coming. You know, it was actually a prophet spoke to me before I went to South Africa. He said, the earth is going to speak to you.

I said, fantastic. He said land is going to speak to you. I was like, oh, fantastic. I have no idea what that means. I got over there and God opened up a revelation on the entire elemental kingdom. that just changed everything for me. One of the things that is true of almost every belief system in the world is that they all acknowledge the elemental kingdom,

earth, fire, air, and water being primaries in that elemental kingdom. Why? Some people say, well, those are just false belief systems. The Bible doesn't do that. It's like, really? But, you know, when we look at the nature of the God that we serve, we actually see that elementals come from his own nature. I like to shock people by saying,

no, we serve an elemental God. They're like, oh, what do you mean by that? I said, well, is God an all-consuming fire? Well, yeah, that's what it says. Oh, is he the fountain of living waters? Oh, well, yeah, I mean, it does say that. Well, what does Ruach Hakodesh mean in Hebrew? Like the holy wind.

Oh, really? And what about the, rock upon which the house is built. Who was the rock that followed Israel through the wilderness and gave forth living water? Well, according to the book of 2 Corinthians, that rock was Christ. It's like, huh? So God is earth, fire, air, wind, and water. Let's just start there.

So the elemental nature actually comes from God. it's in him. He is like a collection of holy elementals. I mean, and we could actually expand that into even like the heavenly elementals because heavenly elementals are sun, moon, planet, stars. Jesus is called the bright and morning star. He's also called the son of righteousness. Like, God is all of these things.

And what happens is God put elementals in all is creation. And so you have these elemental kingdoms, and there are many spirits that occupy these elemental kingdoms. And in some ways, they have, the beings that occupy the elemental kingdoms are part of them, have a level of free will that is also unique. Now, the worship of elemental kingdoms is sin, just like the worship of stars is sin. God says, don't do it. You know, one of the things that Paul says in the New Testament is, you know, we were, you know, in our ignorance, you know, under the dominion of the elementals. But now God has liberated us. You know,

the Bible flips the script. And it actually says that the earth has been given to the children of men, and it says that the whole creation groans and anticipation awaiting the manifestation of the sons of God. So there is an element of redemptive agenda that we have to the creation, and the creation is broken up into elemental kingdoms. Did you know that elemental kingdoms are actually the source of almost every system of magic in their power? They're actually pulling on what I would call the energy or the duneamus of the elemental kingdoms in order to make the magic work.

For instance, a witch will have an incantation to read. They'll do a certain type of meditation when they go to do their witchcraft. But what do they have? A burning candle. Why a burning candle? because we're going to pull dunamis energy through the fire to make the incantation have the power to do the magic. And we're going to pair that with some kind of sacred geometry, maybe a five-pointed star in a circle or something like that, and then put the portal inside of some kind of controlled space to bring something in or out.

But they're going to set up bowls of water. Why? They're going to pull dunamis or energy out of the water elemental, kingdom in order to make the magic work. They're going to have a bunch of feathers strung up. What are they going to do with the feathers? That's the wind kingdom. They're actually pulling dunamis. So there may be certain rocks or gemstones present. Crystals that are used in meditative practices and to focus energy or whatever to move energy. I call a dunamis. To make magic work in order to do spells, to push realities, to do different things. Like this is

This is what I call the defilement and the hijacking of the elemental kingdom. Just because they know how to manipulate it doesn't mean God didn't create it and there isn't something to be redeemed in it. Many bodies of water, bodies of land, areas of, you know, literally atmosphere, all of this has been heavily defiled by the works of darkness. But God is working with his children to bring redemption to these things. And even God, you see him interacting with the elemental kingdoms all throughout the Bible, prophets and Jesus.

You know, Jesus, for instance, is dealing with the elemental kingdom when he's walking on the water. Like, that is the demonstration of his dominion and ascendancy over the water elemental kingdom. He's like, no, I'm walking on this. When he is in the boat with his disciples, like they're sailing on and the storm strikes, They even give the name of the storm. I think it was like Erochlyden or something like that. But they were like give the name of the storm. They were so panicked.

They wake Jesus up. And he's like, where's your faith? He's like, stop. Why did it stop when he said stop? It's because he's not just dealing with inanimate objects with no sentience. He's dealing with the elemental water kingdom as the Christ. Oh, whoa. Keep going.

I'm sorry. It just hit me now. With the elemental kingdoms and there's a, you're building a foundation for a strong argument of what people are seeing in the water when it comes to sirens and mermaids. Like, that's part of the elemental kingdom, right? Well, yeah, I mean, it's certainly part of the realm. Or no, I guess, yeah, I guess.

Yeah, but yes, I mean, this is the point. Like there are, like, with any area of the earth that has to do with certain elemental, you're going to have certain spirits working behind it and that they'll have that elemental nature in them. And they can be good or bad. And so even like in the book of Revelation, you have a one point where you have the angel of the waters talking. I think it's Revelation 16. It's like references the angel of the waters. And it's like, okay, not every evil spirit, every water spirit is evil. There are angels of the waters.

Wow. You know, so God has agents working in every elemental kingdom for him. And then you have elemental spirits that may be fallen in nature. And then you have, and I could give you some stories about it. I mean, this thing opens up into such a, because I think in deliverance there are several things, like we've just been so ignorant of, we haven't even known how do I address it. And the bondage to elemental kingdoms is one of the big areas. It's just completely unexplored territory in deliverance ministry throughout North America.

I mean, we just like, we don't get it. Over in Africa, I think they have a slightly better idea. But even still, I think that the elemental realm has been one of the things that have been less understood. Did you know that the Rosicrucians deal a lot with the elemental kingdom? I mean, in Rosicrucianism, which is... One second. Jack, Rose and Crucian, no? Okay.

I was thinking about our mom's dad. I can't remember what he was. I wanted to make sure he wasn't a rosicrucian. Oh, they're dark. The Rose Cross, the rose flower tattoos. They're really not good people. They like to travel the dimensions by raping children in the... Are you for real?

Yeah, they do. They hit a certain nerve in the butt of the children, and they then travel the dimensions through the child. It's really bad. They do really dark stuff. Definitely pedophilia is part of it. It is a very evil occult society. If you are a resurrection, you should repent quickly and, you know, start following Christ.

But they have beliefs about the elemental kingdom that are very well articulated, including, like, how to deal with certain elemental spirits. They don't marry them. You're not supposed to marry the elemental spirits. Now, people do get married to elemental spirits. in the occult world. But they have like all this stuff. You know, people can look at that up

on Wikipedia. I mean, gosh. You know, so just to say, like these kingdoms, like the occult world definitely is dealing in it. And the sons of God have a redemptive agenda to them. And it's a much more nuanced conversation than we've given it credit for. You know, even in the rebellion of Cora,

during the time of Moses, like all these people with Cora, they rebelled against Moses. Like, we're not going to deal. this. You know what happened? God had the earth swallow them up. That was God working with the elemental kingdom. One of the most profound things about the elemental kingdom, not only does it get used in magic, almost every portal in the Bible, holy and unholy, is an interaction with the elemental kingdom. The elemental kingdom is actually what connects realities in different planes.

Watch this. When Samson's parents, before he was born, learned that they were going to have Samson. And he was going to be a judge of Israel. God sent an angel to tell them. So the angel talked to them, and then they wanted to have a meal with the angel. So they made some food, they ate. And then the angel stepped into the fire and ascended to him.

This is in the book of judges. What was the fire? That was an elemental portal. So not only do they use the elemental kingdom to work magic by pulling on its energies, but it is also the means by which portals can be engaged between realms and dimensions. Almost every portal or example of portal activity you find in the Bible involves the elemental kingdom in one way or another. It's wild.

That's wild because even Shadrach Meshach and Abendigo. That story. They were sitting in the furnace fire. And there's a fourth man. Yep. Step through the elemental portal. I mean, this thing is like, and once you see it, you can't not see it. Jonah was in the belly of the fish and cried out from the belly of shiole.

That fish took him through an underwater portal. I never even considered the fact that the logistics of that. Wow. This stuff is crazy. I mean, there are many examples of this. And, you know, once you see it, you can't unsee it. The elemental kingdom is more involved in our reality than we can imagine. And, you know, one of the things that God was pointing out to me is, like, the elemental kingdom has been heavily defrauded as well.

You know, I remember there was this one session I was doing with a person. It came from an Illuminati bloodline, high-level German stuff. I mean, it was really rough. And they had this situation going on in what I'll call it inner world. One of their alternate personalities was sitting at a computer and they had like this. And so the person's seeing this, right? They're seeing in their inner world that this person is sitting at a computer and they have like something on their head. It's like a brain computer interface.

And they're doing something unholy. And it's like, well, is this person being programmed by. this astral computer. The answer was, no, it's actually just communicating. And so as we began to work out the mechanics of what was going on, it turned out that there were these beings, and they were actually sitting in another area of the universe. And these beings were essentially using that sense,

set up to work their evil agenda into the earth. And I had that altar unplugged from the computer, and then Jesus was there, and we bound all these entities and brought them to the feet of Jesus and began to sort out what the judgment was going to be and what what was going on. So when the beings were brought to the feet of Jesus, we were like, all right, so you guys are all evil and we're basically going to, you know, punish you for that in the name of Jesus. And the person started to hear them complain. So, yeah, explain that, right?

Why are you complaining about, clearly this is going one direction. what's the problem? And they're like, it's not fair. You don't know what happened to us. It's like, okay, well, what happened to you? And they begin to articulate this story about how the ancestors of this person's bloodline made trades on them. So these were actually elemental spirits that were associated with

lands that were under the government of this person's ancestors. And their ancestors made a trade on the elementals to the being or the entity group in this particular star system in order to get power. So those entities were trafficked to that realm. Then they were poisoned against mankind because of the injustice that they suffered as a result of this person's bloodline occultic nonsense. This is deep level occult stuff.

This is the stuff that they probably don't talk about until you get to the underground Vatican library books. You know, that's where you'll find out about this kind of level of magic. But these elemental spirits got trafficked off planet and it became very negative towards man because it's like, well,

they actually had the authority to do this because the earth was placed under the jurisdiction of man. So the elemental kingdom is under our jurisdiction. but they have been defrauded by occultic power witchcraft this, the kings of the earth that have served the powers of darkness and made trades on the elemental kingdoms for power. So they're like, well, we want to destroy men now because, you know, we were defrauded.

And now we're getting punished because we were defrauded and traded out here. The beings that they traded us to made us do half the stuff that we did. So I'm sitting there, the person's hearing all of this conversation. I mean, these guys are, the elemental spirits are really upset about what man has done to them. And Jesus is sitting there listening to all of it. Like, yep. I'm like, what are the legalities around this?

I've never even heard of. What the heck? And I'll be sitting there thinking, I feel like a third wheel right now. It's like, okay, guys. So what ended up happening was we basically had the person repent for the iniquity of their ancestors and what their ancestors, the irresponsible stewarding of governance that their ancestors engaged in against the elementals. And we went a completely different direction with the prayer to basically restore the

the elementals to a first estate. You know, Psalm 148, it talks all about the elemental kingdom. Sun, moon, and stars, praise the Lord. Waters, praise the Lord. Waters above the heavens. Praise the Lord. It literally, Psalm 148 is a conversation on what the elemental kingdom is supposed to do. Praise the Lord.

And be under the jurisdiction of God's purposes and intent, the creator of the universe. And so we began to go completely different around it. It's like, no, they're going to be cleansed. This person is going to repent for the evil that their bloodline did. And then it was like, okay, well, you know, if these things have an original purpose in creation and they're willing to go back under the jurisdiction of Jesus Christ and work his agenda, then they should be permitted to do that. And that seemed to be what Jesus agreed with. And so this whole thing went in a completely different direction.

That could have ever ended as big. I'm like, no, evil spirit goes through. sent to the abyss and blow up. Like, get out of the way, you know? And it's like, I had no idea the nuance around the elemental kingdom and what that means. So you go to a lot of places. When the land is defiled, the elemental kingdom in that area is also defiled. That's why you have defiled waters, defiled forests. You know, a lot of these spirits like that are working in a defiled environment,

they work like evil spirits. But you can cleanse the land. And then everything changes. Things come into alignment under a heavenly government. It's, it's wild. So this is a whole other realm of activity that God has callings for people. And I don't mean that people should start meditating and go into a forest and start trying to talk to every evil spirit there.

Like, that's not the point. The point is to bring the earth into a redemptive place by repenting, by cleansing the land, by applying the finished work of Jesus Christ as sons of God, and commanding regions to come into alignment with the government of heaven. Like, that's also part of our job. Wow. You know, I feel like, I feel like the things you're saying right now were meant for last because what you started out with and how we got here, what you're talking about, I don't think would make sense for people to understand if we didn't start out where we did. And I'm really glad that we just, we went like this because it was, what you're talking about.

you're saying it just it makes a lot of sense that like there the the the kingdom of heaven having a very particular order and all creation needing to come under alignment with that and how even geographical locations can be redeemed and brought back into alignment like where we're sitting right now is at the foothills of the smoky mountains which have tons of legends through them. And the Cherokee National Forest right here is considered extremely dark. And it's like, maybe it just needs to be brought back into alignment with the kingdom. And it can be redeemed. Because there's this legend right now, not right now, it's a very old legend, but it's called the spear finger. And supposedly, from what I understand, I don't know much about it, but it's some kind of like ancient spirit that once was a

witch or something like that, but she roams from the town that we're in now to, I think, a town down at the bottom of the mountains in Georgia, North Georgia, I think, but it's like she roams back and forth and people have all these, like terrifying, these demonic, it's just dark things happening in this region, and maybe it just needs to be brought back in alignment. When I was in South Africa in 2023, we had a really interesting situation. I went to a town called Urmeleu and or Ermelo and

this town is a place where I believe it was Anton LeVay went and did a bunch of rituals like years ago. I mean it's so interesting in that town they have a lot of what they call San Gomo which are just like sorcerers you know they just walk around

and they have their little places where they you know houses of worship you could call it. I don't know. Anyway so So it's pretty dark. And when we got there, it was very intense. I mean, spiritually, I was like, oh, you know, this is going to be a heavy lift. And, you know, so we went up there and we were there with an amazing lady who was, you know, generationally tied to the land.

Like she had been, her family had been there for generations and, you know, had some importance as well. But she was like the gate. and the one who invited us. And we did a whole two-day conference there, and it was very good conference. But I would say the more important work that we did was actual territorial work.

And we prayed, and then we went to a specific location because there are, one of the interesting things about this geography, there are a whole number of rivers in South Africa that all have their source point in Irmolu. There's like, I don't know,

seven, eight or nine. Like, it's like a lot of rivers. And they all have their source in this spot, which means that that's the elemental kingdom. That's the water source. You know, rivers are a route of trade and traffic in the spirit and in the natural. So you have all these,

it's a highly significant location in the spirit, even though it's not like necessarily a bustling community in the natural. it's kind of like a farm town. So we went to one of the known locations of the source of a river to pray there. And so we drive into, I mean, we end up in a village. I mean, it's like, whoa, you know, and, and so you have like, it's like an African village. I mean, really, you know, I mean, we might call them shanties or whatever, but, you know, people are living in, well, they don't look like Texas.

in Tennessee homes, that's for sure. But there's an area of the village where they have it like gated off. Like there's a big gate. And it's like there's nothing inside of the gate. It's just like hills in a little pond. And it's like

how do they have that gated off and locked? Answer. It's the source of the river. And so we go there in like a van. I mean, this is really funny. We just like park next to this gate. And we just get out of the van and start to pray, like out loud, like just

going off and the spirit and, you know, going after. So I ended up seeing all kinds of stuff. So my sear gift opens up and I'm like seeing a dragon. I'm seeing this and that. And so go after the dragon and the spirit, pray against it, cut it open, go after stuff Anton LeVay did, this, that. And out of the, I think it was in its belly. Like I saw like a spiritual key and it just fell. I was like, you know, I told the person that was there. I was like, you need to take the key. And she's like, okay. I was like, so I'm taking the key.

And it's like, I take the key. Now, during this whole time, there was some Sangomo's that had been around and they were watching us. Like, what are they doing? And then we really got going. They was like, all right, we're out of here. And they left. And then when she, literally, the moment that she said the word, I take key, some villagers from

the area came over. do you want to go in there? Like that's the walled off locked. Locator is actually a lock on the fence. And like, you want to go in there? And it's like, yeah. They're like, we have the key. So she took the key in the spirit world.

They came and gave us the key. They actually unlocked it and let us in. And they said, this is how it works. There's a lady that lives in the source of the river. It looks like a pond. It's actually the river source. So it goes underground from miles and comes out somewhere else and it's a river. And she's like, she has chival.

children, and she will come out of this source of the river at night and talk to the villagers sometimes. And if they're too loud at night and rowdy, she'll tell them, stop, because you're, you're going to wake my children up. What the heck? Elemental Kingdom. Wow. So we decided to take communion with the land. So we went over to the source of the river after the town people opened it up and prayed and and blessed it and we had bread and we had juice and we took communion and threw it in there and poured out the juice.

The name of Jesus, we are cleansing this whole river system. A number of the villagers had come over and were like watching us do that and including some of the sorcerers. Guess what? But they were happy. They all got saved. Yeah? Every one of them accepted Christ on the spot. It doesn't surprise me.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was wild. So we were sitting there, but what we're doing is we are doing territorial work. We're actually bringing redemption to the land. Now, I didn't get a follow report. I don't know if that woman that lived in the river source ever, like, stopped showing up or got fired from her job or whatever. I mean, we definitely reallocated the government over that water. But, yeah, I mean, this is the. supernatural kind of stuff that'll take place.

Yeah. Clarification. This woman, was she a spirit? That's where I was going. That's where I thought this was whole thing. But then when you say the last part where you're like, I was like, wait, was it a real woman or? We're talking about an elemental spirit.

It's a spirit. Got you. It's a spirit. Okay. That's what I figured. Just wanted to make sure. Made yourself look like a woman. It's wild, man.

Yeah, it is wild. even here I forget who it might have been I can't remember who told me this but there's a thought suggestion maybe a theory I don't know that the Appalachian Mountains that whole region that stretch

into like West Virginia down to here is a regional territory of Lilith and you hear people talk about experiencing a lot of times a woman long black hair, white dress, very common described with Lilith, bird feet. And I never really considered, and I don't know, I almost hate to bring Lilith up because I feel like that's opening a whole other canon to fire. But I wonder if there's an elemental aspect to her, or is that completely different, like, when it comes to elemental territories, spirits, and, you know, entities that have dominion over geographical locations.

Is that two separate things, would you say? Or is that, okay. All right. That sounds good. It's like, so complicated. There's so much going on. It's such a crash course today. This is a lot. This is a spirit world is way more highly nuanced. Christians that wanted to say everything is an angel or a demon are grossly misinformed. And the funny thing is all the new ages and witch doctors and, you know, I mean, these people know that. Because they deal with the spirit world and the astral plane through occult methods all the time. They look at us Christians. They're like, these ignorant people, they don't know what they're talking about.

And, you know. Yeah. Absolutely. Not anymore. Not anymore. That's the thing. I feel there are people who come from, you know, new age and different face like that. And when they come into the Christian faith, it's almost like they have, they're like,

what are these people talking about? Like, almost like they're a fish out of water because they're like, well, yes, Jesus is king, but you guys are pretty clueless when it comes to some of this stuff. And, you know, sometimes new age people, they can get a little disenfranchised with the church because of that, I think. Yeah. And what happens is... Before you go there, I want to say former new age people, not new age people, but former new age people that are now in Christ get disenfranchised with the church. The way I said that, I felt like that would have led to confusion.

And rarely do I ever catch myself before. Usually I say stuff, I'm like, I said that. It'll show up in the comments. Yeah, exactly, which I won't read. Yeah, you know, for a lot of people that have come out of those backgrounds, you know, and they get saved, you know, unfortunately, there has to be a decision made for many of them in order to fit into a church. They just have to willfully dissociate a number of their lived experience. And they're like, well, I'll just have to chalk that up to total deception because what I lived and experienced is not possible according to this new belief system. So I'm just going to believe now that it didn't really happen.

And that's the challenging part because sometimes it did really happen. And then it's frustrating or it's a source of ongoing bondage that, you know, where God could heal it or deliver a person from it if they were to be able to embrace that this really did happen. and this is actually why that happened, they end up masking the trauma or the brokenness around that thing, dissociating from it, and then they just have to keep the mask on to stay Christian enough to be around a church. Yeah. And that's unfortunate.

That's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate. But I think conversations like this are definitely changing the course that the church generally is. on, the more people that listen to shows like this and listen to conversations like this and hear it out, that gets filtered back into the church. And, you know, people are becoming more understanding of the complexities of the supernatural realm and what's really happening and going on, which I'm thankful for. So let's bring this in for a landing. Dan Deval, in studio in the flesh. Where can people find you and your ministry?

Broadmoven.com. That has links to a lot of the stuff we offer. We do have a whole coaching staff of people that do interhealing and deliverance work. That's brideministriescoaching.com or just get it from the main website. We have a lot of free prayer resources. We have a lot of teachings and other things available as well as a whole institute. School of Interhealing and Deliverance where we train people to do work with survivors of satanic ritual abuse and government-sponsored mind-control agendas.

And, you know, ridemoving.com is the landing point for all of that. And you just, you know, click around and find what they're looking for. And the podcast I run Discovering Truth can be found at dandvall.com. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, man, I appreciate you coming in. This was everything I hoped for. Last time we talked to stuff, I think I told you on the show on the recording.

I was like, I got to get you in studio because I was like, man, if I can get this guy in studio, we'd have so much fun and I think we had fun today. So I appreciate it, man. Yes, we did. Absolutely.