The Confessionals - 766: Born In A Supernatural Warzone

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

In this gripping episode, Bo Kennedy returns to share the spiritual warfare that’s not just theory—but personal. From his daughter’s chilling attempts to summon Lilith, to his own battles with depression, addiction, and generational darkness, Bo opens up about the supernatural forces that tore through his family and nearly took him out. What started as podcasting strange stories soon became a frontline ministry of deliverance, exorcism, and uncovering the real enemy behind mental illness and trauma. With raw honesty and no sugarcoating, Bo reveals how spiritual warfare, self-deliverance, and the authority of Christ became his only weapons in a fight most Christians don’t even know they’re in.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - HypnoticaYouTube | Apple | Spotify

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You'll be able to stream a lot of great documentaries, docu-series, and fun things like that coming very soon to Merkelfilms.com. Go ahead and check it out,merklefilms.com. Now, today we have Bo Kennedy from the Bump podcast. He came down to the studio to record with me. We talked about a lot of great things, diving into the reality of demons, generational curses, and how the unseen war is claiming ground in people's lives, and they don't even know about it. Let's get to Bo right now. Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just a weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. That's about 40. When I started seeing,

and I didn't recognize it for what it was initially. Things were going. going on around me, like with my daughter or in my house. Like, we bought a home trying to buy this house was this huge process. And I would get discouraged, like a door would shut on me, man. And my wife was like, no, let's pray. We would pray. And you could feel something left off, man. You start crying for no reason, right?

And then the loan gets approved. Like, in the same day, there's something trying to block us. We move into this home, right? And we hear stuff going on in the attic. I go up there and look. There's nothing in the attic. Nothing's out of place. So I pray against it.

Weird stuff happens. It goes away. That noise never happens again. I don't know. It just seemed like everywhere I looked, man. It was just like, this is what you're supposed to be doing. This is what you're supposed to be doing. And when I decided to rededicate my life to the Lord, I got hit with COVID, like, directly afterward.

But while I was in the hospital, I could feel. Like, my wife's, I would message her like, I could. I feel like somebody's praying. She's like, we are. Like, the church is praying for you. So, like, the reality of the spiritual side of things, there was just no denying it for me, man. Beau Kennedy from the Bump podcast, man.

How are you? I'm good, brother. Thanks for having me, all, man. I appreciate it. It's been a long time coming, I think. Yeah. It's been, I mean, it's funny. We were just talking about how I have this recall for episodes,

but it's because I search it on the website real quick, And I didn't do it beforehand. Do you remember what episode you were on? No clue. Jack, look that up and get back to me. But you, I know what we talked about last time. And it was probably the most in-depth episode we've done on Lilith. And since then, we, Lilith has popped up a lot on the show since we've done that episode.

And I don't know, you know, like people say things like you can attract attention. and stuff. But I almost feel like, and I feel like this because it's a pattern with the show, topics that are covered, like, I don't really plan a whole lot when it comes to the show. I just talk to people, you know, and things just kind of fall in line as they fall online. And a lot of times it's God's time, right? Yeah.

And it's happened time and time again. Like, I'll have an episode sitting and I'll kick it down the road because, you know, because I want to put something else first, and I'll kick it down the road three, four weeks. And it just so happens that when it comes out, it was the perfect timing, you know? For instance, I came out with an episode about CERN with Pastor Lai Raglan. We recorded that probably two months, three months prior. And I kept on kicking it down the road because I had other things I wanted to get out that felt were more timely and stuff.

And I put it on the schedule for like a month and a half later. As the time approaches, it turns out, that's the very week that the eclipse was happening and that CERN was firing up. And I come out with a certain episode. Yeah. You know? And so like, I was just like, what are the odds of that? Well, it's God time, right?

Yeah. It's weird because the same week that the most recent episode, you did CERN a few months ago, right? No, that was a while ago, probably a year, a half ago. You had one on and somebody mentioned, I think it was Cernunos, some kind of deity or whatever. Same week I had one to come on. And we talked about the same guy from a different asses. You know, and it's just the way that happens. I've noticed that too.

Yeah, I've noticed that too. There's definitely a rhythm to things right now with my podcast and other people's podcast. And you see there's this rhythm where it's like, we're not doing the same thing, but it's this general pool that we're flowing in together. And when I brought you on, I think we had the idea to talk about Lilith. I didn't really, I think at that point I really hadn't done much on Lilith. and you went in on it.

I remember you talked about your own personal experiences and, you know, what Lilith is. I remember some of the things I learned was the idea that Lilith could be a regional principality. And I think we even talked about it possibly being that there's different archetypes or something of Lilith that could be, I guess, ruling certain areas or whatever. I don't remember exactly.

But I know Appalach is definitely one of those. Yeah, man, for sure. And since then, man, And like, it was like just a floodgate opened up. And I felt I felt kind of equipped almost. Not like I'm an expert, but I was like, I've just had this really good conversation. And I'm at least in the ballpark of understanding. And I guess the most convincing or famous one, I don't know if I don't know how famous

was, it sticks out in my mind a lot. I had a guy, I was doing a local segment on our local, I think it's ABC or I NBC station in Knoxville. And the producer, he was a listener to the show. And so afterwards, him and I were talking, he was like, I got things that, you know, I've been through. And he started giving me, like, cliff notes. And I was like, hmm, it's kind of interesting. I said, when do you get off work? And he's like, one, two o'clock. And I was like, come on down the studio, right? So he comes down to the studio. And that first conversation, I don't think, Jack, we never broadcast that, right? That was, no. So, like, it was, it was a ghost.

episode because of what happened. We were sitting there talking for probably good, I don't know, two hours. And then I feel like in my mind's eye, I've envisioned him, like, sinking down in his chair. It felt like he was reclining back and sitting lower. And he started telling me how, like,

he started having these aggressive feelings towards me. He's like, I hate you right now. And he's like, like, all this stuff. And like his demeanor changed. He started manifesting, man. Yeah. And so I had Jack cut the camera, cut the lights. Or not the lights. Not the lights. Not like. Keep the lights on. Turn moron. Extra light.

The mics and the cameras cut. And we engaged that through prayer head on. And then I kicked them out. No, just kidding. We had a good conversation afterwards, but we didn't record. And then I just told him, I said, listen, man, like, I'm not really sure what to do with what we just did. I don't think it's something that part that happened there. I don't think it's really for the world as much, you know.

And so I think we were planning on not releasing it. And then he said that he actually wanted to come in and give it another go. Things were going well. And in that second sit-down, he revealed that what was manifesting was Lilith. And he said he felt like she was coming up out of his back almost. And it was like in his mind's eyes. It was like she's like coming across the table at me. Wow.

And so, yeah, I mean, thank you for that episode. My bad. No, you're good. You're good. Yeah, man. I've gotten a lot of emails. I heard you as a Lilith guy. And I'm like, I don't want to be the Lilith guru.

Keep that away for me, man. Yeah. But yeah, it's one that I just, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I'm not drawn to it, but I feel like there's something about that entity that just has my attention, man. And I'm glad I got to get it all out with you. Do you think it's because of your family history with it, with your daughter? Yeah, yeah, I do.

Because I'm, my bad. She, and I love her with all my heart, and I hope she's doing good out there somewhere. Hold on a second. You still haven't connected with her? No. Oh, man. No, there hasn't been any communication at all. but she was trying to summon Lilith,

like actively trying to summon Lilith into my house. And I found notes and stuff like that that she had written. To Lilith. Yeah. Yeah. And with friends by wanting to do it. And it's been a while since I've heard the story, but she was doing that and were the friends like egging this on?

Oh, yeah. So it wasn't like necessarily her idea as much as the people she was surrounding herself with? Well, she's the one that mentioned it. You know, I'm not going to, I can't pass the buck. I wish I could. But yeah, she's the one that seemed like she brought it up in like a text communication, you know, like a chat with somebody else. And that's when things kind of just went down for her, man. I found out way after the fact, you know.

But she would go through the, you know. about the depression and she uh she uh she wound up being diagnosed with the whole long list of of things like narcissistic disorders and all these things that um i don't know how everybody feels about mental health my degree is in counseling you know i went through you know all all of that to just wind up thinking it's 90% demonic man um i really believe that in my heart it's it's an attack you know they they compare this the soul was like the mind right i think it's it's an attack on your soul you know and it's through the mind that it happens i think mental health most of this stuff can go back

to some door being opened whether you unwittingly or intentionally um maybe you're looking for answers somewhere else and i think that's what happened are you familiar with jerry Marzinski? I might have heard the name. He was on the show once. I'm pretty sure that's his name, Jerry Marzinski. But he is in the mental health industry for, I think, over 40 years. I don't know if he's active in it now, but he talks about this stuff. And I don't even know if he's necessarily, like, coming from a theological standpoint, but more like,

hey, some really things happened weird to me once when I was talking to this person who was clinically diagnosed. Yeah, yeah, man. Like something was on the wall. Yeah. And it's like, you know, things like that. I mean, he's, he's, I should probably see about having him back on again. But so you think that a lot of, a lot of the, what, I guess, mental health stems from the demonic?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I do. I think that, yeah, that's a good way to put it. I think that a lot of mental health issues come from some kind of window being opened to allow, those attacks to come in. And it could be through trauma, you know, that's, it seems like that's the case most of the time.

Trouble childhood, you know, you're broken, you're looking for love, you're looking for answers, whatever it is, and things creep in. Speaking of guests, there's a lady that I think that you would love to have on your show. Her name's Dr. Natalie Atwell. I've had her on twice, and she's a... What's your podcast called again?

The Bump podcast. Bump Podcast. Check it out at the bumppodcast.com. Yeah, almost are the confessionals. I've got to, you know, surprise. We have a new co-host on the show. No, but Dr. Atwell, she is a licensed therapist, but her lane that she has created is through Christian counseling. And she has created like a diagnostic, basically.

she has a checklist of where she'll walk people through their session. And if it's not this, it's not that, she kind of works it down to where she starts identifying, you know, what is coming against you. You know, what kind of spirit is coming against you. Yeah. And then to where they could name it. And she's a- Does she start from the clinical side? Yes.

And then works her way, it like eliminates that stuff to, okay, now we're getting closer to the bridge of, we might need to cross over to the spirit. side. Yes. Like, it goes past the clinical. And then she's like, have you ever had something happened that you can't explain?

Have you ever seen orb activity or, you know, or whatever the questions are? I haven't got a hand on the manual yet. But, yeah, she works it all the way down through. And I had her on with Dr.

Laura Sanger at the same time. That's a great. And I'll just kind of sat back. Yeah. Yeah. You just listen to them. Go at it. Yeah.

It was so cool. But yeah, I think if you want to get into the, the mental health and demonization, you know, correlation, she'd be a great one. Even if that's a hard-fetched idea for some people to comprehend, if you just look on the surface level of it, when you look at people, I think schizophrenia probably is a great example of it.

Like, you look at schizophrenia and what that is, and you look at demonic possession, it's like, that's pretty similar. Yeah. You know, like, how do you even? distinguish between and two because it's kind of the same thing. Yeah. You know, cutting, all that stuff. You know, it's, why would you want to do that? Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's definitely not something that is natural. Right. Um, it so you just came out with this book, Army of God, pocket guide to spiritual warfare. Yes, sir. And, uh, it's literally a pocket guide. I mean,

it's what, a hundred pages long. So it's not something that, you know, people are like, I spent five months reading. But it's something that is, what was the whole point behind this book for you to write? Because, I mean, what we're talking about right now? I know you talk about deliverance in the book, which we can easily navigate into here. But like, what was the motivation behind writing a book like this? Is it the personal stuff in your own life? Or is it stuff that you've been seeing throughout, you know, your podcasting,

that people you talk to, that there's a need for it or what? Okay. A couple of years ago, my pastor asked me if I would start teaching it. the church. And I told him no for a few months because I didn't feel like I was ready for that, you know, but I went, I had a work trip. I was out of the house, out of town, by myself, with the word. And I was just, you know, I prayed for the Lord to give me a word because I was ready to try to take that on, you know. I felt like he wouldn't ask me unless it was important. And what I got was a message about spiritual warfare.

Just to try to inform my church about what's going on, about the reality of all that. Because where I live at, it's bewildering how many people don't believe in demons or don't understand. that the demonic is real or and these are hardened Christians lifelong Christians. They just, they've never been told about it. They've never heard about it. But where I was raised, I was raised Catholic up until like my senior year of high school, you know, I was going up with my dad's side of the family. That side of the family was all about, you know, this is real.

This is absolutely real. This is a live exorcism on 2020 that they're watching or whatever. You know, so I was scared to death of demons, and then I get away from church for a while. I got saved at 20. Then I went the way of the world. You know, I joined the military, and I did all the partying and drinking and stuff I shouldn't have been doing. But the thought of demons was never like science fiction in me. I just didn't put it all together until God started calling me back about 37, 38 years old.

And when I came back to the Lord, I was just reading for myself. You know, I was reading the Bible. I wasn't going to church. And I'm seeing it all in there. And things that started clicking, you know, like I see these problems going on, you know, in my life. And in the world around me, and you have this enemy all things. throughout the Bible, right? And it just made sense. Then I go, I start going to church and they're not talking about it. And I, I don't know. So when I sought the Lord about it, you know, teaching finally,

it was, that's the topic. You know, it's going to be spiritual warfare. So I sit there and I studied and I prayed and I come up with this like hour and 15 minute long sermon or lesson to give the church. And when I did, it was just like over their head. You know, there's a lot of smiling and nodding. Nobody's disagreeing, you know, but it's just like it didn't hit. So the next month, there was a different aspect, gave it to them. And some people are coming on board, but just a handful, you know. And my wife's like, why do you talk so much?

You know, like, this is way too much information. But I did this for about two and a half years. I just keep giving these lessons or these sermons, you know, when I teach. And it was just, I felt like it was a little too in depth, you know, so I tried shortening everything. I just didn't feel like I was doing a good service to it. And then a few months ago it hit me. It's not that it's not for the church.

It's that it is too much information to stand there and try to just dump on people. Yeah. Put it in a book. Yeah. You know, so I, this is literally my church lessons. Wow. This is about a dozen different church lessons that I just took my notes and put it in a book. That's cool because, I mean, now you can even hand that out as like a study guide almost with the church.

Yeah. So you're talking about how you felt the need to, you know, tackle the spiritual warfare side of things. Let me ask you, when was this roughly? Probably about five years ago. Five years ago, really? Wow. I was about 40 when I started seeing. And I didn't recognize it for what it was initially.

I just knew that things were going on around me, like with my daughter or in my house. Like, we bought a home. And trying to buy this house was this huge process. And I would get discouraged, like a door would shut on me, man. And my wife was like, no, let's pray. And we would pray. And you could feel something left off, man. You start crying for no reason.

right and then the loan gets approved like in the same day there's something trying to block us yeah you know we move into this new home well it's built in 74 but we move into this home right and we hear stuff going on in the attic i go up there and look there's nothing in the attic nothing's out of place so i pray against it weird stuff happens it goes away that noise never happens again then it really hit home with my daughter. There's things going on in the home. I studied a little deeper. Of course, I listened to shows.

I listened to this show. I was listening to, I got on to Gary Wayne through West Garmor, you know. I heard him on there. I think it was his show. I'm not sure who that is, but, yeah. Gary Wayne, the, no, West German. Oh, yeah. But I don't know.

It just seemed like everywhere I looked, man, it was just like, this is what you're supposed to be doing. This is what you're supposed to be doing. And when I decided to rededicate my life to the Lord, I was 40 or 41. And I got hit with COVID, like directly afterward. And hit hard. Like, I was in the hospital for five days and come out of the hospital. that, but while I was in the hospital, I could feel like my wife's, I would message her, like I feel like somebody's praying.

She's like, we are. Like, the church is praying for you. So, like, the reality of the spiritual side of things, there was just no denying it for me, man. And when it came to demons, like specifically, you can call them unclean spirits or demons or whatever you want to call them. all my life, man, I was terrified of those things. I felt like that was the one thing that could get you, you know, like there's no getting away from them kind of thing, you know?

Like, I've never had any kind of natural fear in me. I'm not afraid of snakes or spiders or bears or anything like that, but demons, just the thought of it terrified me. And I really believe in my heart. it's because that's what I was supposed to stand against. And they were just trying to get the jump on me my whole life. And it's not that I'm anything special. I think that we all have gifts.

We all have a calling. You just got to step into it. Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean, I think people have to understand that it doesn't matter what you believe. Right. The reality is that every day you wake up and there is something out there that's trying to destroy you.

Yeah. Period. And when you wake up to the reality that you're living in a supernatural existence and there is actual war going on around you every day. The moment you're born, there's an enemy out there looking to slay you. Yes. Then you realize, okay, so if I'm in a war, then there has to be some kind of equipping that I have been given for this war. There has to be a weapon. I have to have a sort of choice here. Like I can't, like if I'm in a war and I'm a soldier and

a war. Soldiers don't go into war without weapons and armor. And you're talking about prayer, that's such a huge thing, man. I mean, like, we had, so it's just, the reason why I asked you that is because when, because, you know, people know this, but like August last year, so we're coming up on a year now, I was challenged by a very good friend of mine, Larry Raglan, he's a pastor in Alabama, and we were out to dinner. And he just looked at me and he said, you're operating in half of your your your calling. I think he even said anointing. He said, he said, you were called to,

that's what he said, you're operating in half your anointing. You were called to podcast, but you're also called to preach and you're not doing that. And he brought to my attention to that I'm being disobedient, right? And I'm like, I don't know what to talk about. Like, I don't know what to preach about. I mean, this is like not a podcast. I'm scared to preach.

That's why I didn't do it for 20 years. Yeah, man. And the very first sermon that I preached, I was just like, you know what? I think I think I need to start waking the church up, not just my church, but in general, about how real the supernatural realm is around us. And my first sermon was Daniel 10. That's a good place to start. And I just, I really tried painting the picture that we, we, we,

are in a war. There's an enemy that seeks to destroy us. And we're not called to run. We're not called to pray in defense. We're called to pray on the offense. And I used Daniel 10th for that imagery

because, and I wasn't, I don't even think I was planning on going this direction until the morning up. It's just like, I felt like God just kind of like lightbulb moment download on me. And I realized either the night before or Sunday, Sunday morning, that the spiritual warfare that we see that whole chapter, which is anybody listening right now,

if you don't know what we're talking about, just listen. If you don't read the Bible, just trust me. For the first time of your life, open up Daniel 10 and read it. Daniel chapter 10, just read that one. And you'll be like, oh, I wonder what's on the next page. Yeah, you know?

I mean, if you like this show, you don't like Daniel 10. But that whole scene of warfare happening and how the angel was delayed 21 days, that literally the only reason why that angel was delayed was because Daniel initiated warfare with prayer. It was all about the prayer. And you bringing up that aspect, it's like, yeah, that's our weapon. And you witnessed yourself then, you could feel the prayer. That's amazing.

people talk about, I think it was with Sean Tabitt, I had him on not too long ago, I think it was with him. Somebody was talking about how when somebody died and came back, they could actually, I think this was it, they could actually see the prayers ascending to heaven after they already died, which those prayers were the reason why he was actually, that person was actually brought back. So it was like, person died. They kept praying and their prayers, their persistent prayer after the person died, actually reversed time and brought the person back. That's incredible, man. Isn't that wild? That is wild. That is wild. But it shows the power of prayer and the weapon that it is. And I don't even understand. I'm in the middle of the fight of my life

right now, right? So, like, she has cancer on both breasts, in her neck, under her arm. At the time of this recorded, we don't know where else. You know, they're scanning her brain next Monday. And we're praying. We're asking people to pray. And there's just this peace. There's this, this, this, there's just something that I feel like I'm not, not peace, like, oh, I feel peace, but like a piece of a puzzle. It's like, I feel like there's something that I'm not grasping in how strong prayer is.

And I, and I'm just like, it's like one of those things where you have the word on the tip of your tongue. You just can't, and that's how it feels. It's like it's right there. It's like if I could just push through that veil, I could see that missing piece that I'm seeing here. Because I can see it in scripture. Like, it's like, it's all about faith. It's all about faith. Pray.

Believe. Because you believed. You know, you have to believe to receive. You have to believe you already receive to receive. And it's like, Jesus says this all the time. Faith, faith, faith, faith. it's all about faith. And I'm just like, there's something,

there's like a switch that I feel like I'm missing. And not that, not that prayer or, you know, not that it's like a magic wand, right? Right. Right. But I just feel like for my own intellect, I feel like I'm still, as much as I've tried to study and understand, I personally feel like I still, there's depths of prayer that I don't grasp yet. And that's actually like a good feeling.

Yeah. Like I don't want to feel like at 40 years old, I got it all figured out. Yeah, you got me telling you. I got this. I'm all about the journey, man. Yeah. Yeah. And it is a journey, bro.

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Prayer is one of those manifold things. It's like multifaceted. And there's prayers of thanks and there's prayers of this or prayers or that. But like you said, it's not magic words. You're not casting a spell. you know, there's not like something, God's not sitting there saying, oh, he didn't say it right. Yeah.

You know what I mean? It's about the heart. Oh, he only got one knee down, sucker can't heal. I said both knees. Yeah. You know, but yeah, there's something about prayer and there's something about using the word. God says somewhere in there, I'm not great with remembering chapter and verse of everything, but he says to bring it to my remembrance, you know.

Well, I mean, even with Moses, I mean, we see Moses constantly reminding God that you promised you weren't going to kill these people. He's like, okay, I promised, okay. Yeah, just like every night when I pray, I make sure I'm on both my knees. But what I pray, I recite or I pray a couple of Psalms. And I say to the Lord, you know, I want to pray these Psalms to you for the protection. that you offer, you know, for the covenant on promises that you've made through these Psalms. And when I read them or when I recite them, it's in first person, you know, and it's always Psalm 23 and 91 because there's so much protection in there. And at the end of 91, it's the word of God, right?

It's you have David, David, David, and then like the last three or four verses, it's prophetic word from God. And it's like because you Because you are It's hard to do it now Especially from the middle Yeah Right It says because he has loved me

Therefore I will deliver him Right But when I pray it I say because I love you You'll deliver me Right And pray it like that And first person

And I just feel like there's A connection made You know It's got to be personal You know You got to humble yourself and definitely use the scripture man bring it bring it to his mind you keep talking about by faith that's hebrews 11 where that chapter out dude that's that's the faith chapter but yeah yeah prayer it's good one prayer is is necessary

now you talk about deliverance in the book yeah and obviously that that involves prayer as probably the weapon of choice. But what is it about, let's start with deliverance and what deliverance is and maybe isn't, you know? Yeah. It's because I deliverance is something that I've wrestled with for a while as an adult and even with the podcast. And it wasn't until recently that the lightball, and let me just preface all this with I've never gone through deliverance. But I, I, it wasn't until recently with my wife's diagnosis and talking with Dr. Laura Sanger and other people that the light ball clicked on my head. And I was like, I always thought that deliverance was you're telling me, like, if you said, Tony, you should consider going through deliverance. I'd be like,

what you telling me I got demon in me? You think, you, you think I'm, I'm just walking around possessed all the time? What is this? Like, what did I say to make you think that, you know? Right. Like, all this offensive stuff comes in my mind. Yeah. But she really, I don't remember, I don't even remember what she said, but she really just painted a picture to me that, sure, that could be part of it. But more often and not, I get the sense that it has a lot to do with your family bloodline, your history, the sins and curses that have been put on the family history and bloodline from generations before people you've never met.

And then there's tons of people out there like me who, you know, I've only ever met my biological father one time. I don't know anything about that side of the family. My mom never met her biological father. She knows nothing about that side of the family. We have no idea what is actually running through my bloodline. Right. And at some point, that needs to be cleansed for future generations.

And I just started thinking, I'm looking at my kids after this all started clicking to my head, and I'm thinking, either I do the work to clean a house on my bloodline or I just pass the buck on to my Ben and Gemma and maybe they'll figure it out and they'll do it themselves. So either I do it or somebody else is going to have to. Or else it just keeps getting passed on. And the little I know about my biological father, I get some things from that guy and ain't good things.

And I just wonder, hmm. And so once my life kind of quote unquote settles down to a point that's manageable, that's something I'm actually going to be looking into doing. And I've heard people say that you can do self-deliverance and all this stuff. So I'm passing it on to you now. Tell me from your perspective and what you understand, what is deliverance and why does somebody possibly need that? Absolutely, man.

I appreciate it. For me, I felt like I was pulled into that very reluctantly also. I wanted nothing to do with it. I would look at people that said they were deliverance ministers online and I'll not speaking ill about anybody, but I saw a lot of people that looked like they were faking because it looked like it's something that's very easy to fake, right? Yeah. Somebody's standing up there, they're screaming, shouting, putting their hands on somebody, somebody else reacting in this big, dramatic way, you know, makes for great TV. Doesn't, like, honestly, like, doesn't that go through a lot of people's heads, right? You see that stuff and you're like, man, are they paid? It's just like a schick.

Yeah. Yeah. And I kind of felt that way. Until something on a much smaller and more realistic scale happened to me. All right. I'm going to back up a little bit. Please. If that's okay.

I've had this show, The Bump podcast, for five years now, right? Last week made five years. Wow. Congrats. Thank you. And after about a year of it, I felt like I was collecting a really cool story. you know, and I was opening a lot of doors. I had no idea.

I was just, I was diving into that stuff. But I felt like there was more. I needed to do more that there's a work for the Lord in here somewhere. But I was just collecting stories, man, for like a year, year and a half. And I was thinking about quitting the whole thing. I felt like I was just spinning my wheels. It wasn't barren fruit. And I didn't realize that.

That's the problem. Wasn't bearing fruit. and then I had dark waters on the show and he and I talked a lot off air and I was telling him these same problems I was having and he told me that I needed to dedicate my show to the Lord make it an altar to God the whole show he said go into prayer

lay this show on the altar tell him that you just want to be a steward of the show and for him to send you the guests that he wants you to work through or whatever or for the world to hear their stories. And I'm like, yeah, I can do that. And he's like, but what you need to do first is to humble yourself before the Lord. He said, you need to ask for forgiveness. And he said, I don't mean just I repent.

He said, ask for forgiveness. Come up with the stuff that you know you've done that you haven't repented of. and work on yourself first. And he said, and hold on, man. Just hold on. He said, you need to renounce anything that you've done. Any kind of unclean spirit that's in on or around you, you have to renounce it, break ties with it.

Like, okay, that's no problem, you know. Didn't think it was that big of a deal until I did that one night. And before I could get some of the words out, I found myself dry heaving over the toilet. like throwing up. What words? Just different, like spirit of addiction or stuff like that. Spirits of guilt.

So you had in mind what you were going to be going after? Yeah, you got to do some soul searching, man. You got to think about what you may have done, right? That's an offense to the Lord. And sometimes you know it. Sometimes it comes right to the top of your head. Like as soon as you think of it, That's the one, you know what I mean?

That's one of them. It's usually the layup, though. It's like, take a little deeper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you can do the blanket statement if there's nothing that comes to your mind, which I'm sure there will be one or two things. But if you say any unclean spirit, if you're not of God, I don't allow you in my body. I don't allow you around me. You know, got to leave now the name of Jesus Christ.

You start with that. and watch what happens. So, yeah, there was like a little bit of a self-deliverance with that. But then I realized, again, that's why I was, I had an aversion to demons. You know, I didn't want anything to do with that because it was real to me. And they don't want you to know they're real. That's the whole point. You know, they can do whatever they want if you don't take them seriously, right?

And that's why everything's just been so watered down. But when you go into this, you just have to, one, if you're going to do deliverance with somebody. And what deliverance is, it's the same as what the Catholics call exorcism, right? You have a demon. It's not the end of the world to have a demon, right? It's not that you're possessed. If you're a Christian, it doesn't mean that you're being taken over by some kind of head spinning, you know, puking demon. It just means that there's an influence on you.

And continue, but I just want to clarify because I think what you're saying here is important. And it also, I don't want people getting confused because there are times, like you're messing with seances and stuff. Yeah, you introduced it to your life. You brought it in willingly. Yeah. But there are, I think, a lot of people, like with the example, I was using earlier stuff, it's not even that. necessarily something you did. No.

It's something that has like a legal contractual authority. Yes. And right into your life from generations past. Yeah. And it's just up to you to break that, break that off, right? Yes. Okay. Now, you know, if you go into like generational curses and stuff like that,

a lot of times what we look at as a generational curse is consequences of someone's actions. consequences of the circumstances that you're in. You know, we might feel like we're being cursed. But what's going on is we weren't raised up in a godly home, right? We have faced traumas due to somebody else's spiritual influence. And I'm not trying to make an excuse for anybody. But if you grow up with an alcoholic father, right? and his dad was an alcoholic and his dad was an alcoholic.

Some people look at that like it's a generational curse. You know, the spirit of addiction is on this family. It don't necessarily have to be a curse. It is a familial spirit or a familiar spirit. It's something that's around your family, something that's known you for generations. And they know what buttons to hit, man. And a consequence of that action is you're going to be traumatized.

You're going to be neglected or abused or it's going to be shown to you that it's okay to have these addictions. And so that door has been opened. And so you're going to be afflicted. And then it is up to you. So it doesn't pass beyond you to your family to renounce these things and to break that stronghold or that grasp of whatever that particular entity might be if it's addiction, if it's lust, if it's whatever, if it's poverty. and I'm not saying prosperity gospel or anything like that. But the reality is there's things that oppress us from all different aspect because that's all the devil wants to do

is to keep you from your true walk with the Lord. So you have to recognize it, call it out. But you have to close those doors. You have to do what you have to do to not allow the devil in or the enemy, I'll say. Because when you say devil, it's like red, flags, you know what I mean? Satan himself was not necessarily at your doorstep.

But he's got, he's got principalities working for them. And you know, there's, you know, we could if we wanted to go into the unseen realm hierarchy, right? Right. But there is, there's this hierarchy that's happening. And so, yeah, no, it's not always

just the devil with the horns coming to your door. I get it. But yeah, man, the first thing you got to do is humble yourself before the Lord. You know, if you're helping someone else through deliverance and to be set free, or if you're trying to do it on your own for yourself, first thing we have to do.

And I know this is very preachy. You don't have a whole lot of super, super preachy episodes. The last guy that sat in that chair was Pastor Allen with the deal talking about revelation. Okay. So I'm probably less preachy than that guy. But you humble yourself before God. Right. Let him know that he is a supreme authority that all things are made.

through and by him. You know, just whatever comes to your heart, humble yourself before him that he is higher. You repent. And repent doesn't mean to apologize. It means to turn away from whatever that was. So that's not going to be an instantaneous thing necessarily. It's something that you make a commitment to do, right? So you repent of these ways and you're turning away from them and you don't go back to them. And then you ask for forgiveness. Of course, the Lord forgives us. He cast it into the sea of forgetfulness, right?

I love that scene. It's gone. That's a great sea. I love that one. It's gone. So when God forgets about it, we have to let it go, right? And then we can start renouncing.

But that itself is a tactic of the enemy. Let's just call it the enemy, right? Right. But that is a tactic of the enemy to make you hold on to the things that you know you've done, even though it's been forgiven, it's been casting to see forgetfulness, and the Lord himself disregards it. Right.

The human side of you and the enemy latching on is like, no, no, no, you remember that one time when you were 10 years old? It's like, man, I am 50 years old now. Why are you bothering me about something that happened when I was freaking 10 years old, four years ago? That'll happen every day of your life, dude. But that's why Paul says to take every thought captive. Everything.

Right? Yeah. Just take it, hold it up against scripture, remind the enemy. because that's that's not your thought. Yep. At least the world I live in, that's not your thought. Man, that's the enemy putting that right back in there. So you hold those thoughts captive, put it up against Scripture,

remind the enemy that you're forgiven, you're a child of God. He has to leave. And watch that thought leave. You know, watch that thought leave. But yeah, that's in a nutshell. And there are some cases of deliverance that get wild. I'm sure. I feel like that's the ministry that I was called into.

I've been asked to come and help people to be set free. You ever have anything happen that was kind of like, whoa, that was wild. A little bit, yeah. There's a couple of different ladies. One, and it's not super dramatic, but in the moment, pretty dramatic. You know what I mean? When you're going through it, you feel it?

Yeah. Yeah. Of course, I'm not going to give any names or anything like that. But there's a lady that I know that she openly talked about having demons that they talked to her all the time. And they talk to her in a familiar voice. They sound like relatives or they sound like an X or whatever. And she feels like it's that person talking to her, even though logically they're not even in the room. She feels like she's still having a conversation with so-and-so.

And they would tell her how beautiful she is or how wonderful she is and build her up. And then they would flip the script and nobody loves you. You're ugly. Why don't you hurt yourself? Why don't you go do those drugs? And all these things to tear her by down. And she was just in torment, man, going back and forth with this. And she wanted to be set free, desperately wanted to be set free.

But at the same time, she didn't want to be alone, like, from them. She liked the way they made her feel at times. Is it because she was comfortable with them? Like she was used to them? Very much. So it was like part of her. Yeah. Gotcha.

But hers was like kind of a special case, man, because it wasn't like she had depression and she wanted to feel better. This lady was demonized. They talked to her. She said that she could look at somebody and they would tell her what's wrong with them, like if they're sick. And then she said she would take on their symptoms

and that person would be healed. But a lot of that was, she thought that was happening. She thought they were being healed because the devil's not going to heal somebody, right? The enemy's not going to heal somebody else. but she was going through all this stuff and so we talked

and I asked her if she wanted to get rid of them you know if she's ready to let this go if she's ready to renounce these things and she agreed so over a few sessions and a lot of deliverance would look kind of like counseling man I'll just be honest

and that's another thing that gets confused I think that there's a way for Christian counseling counseling to go. If somebody's going through a hard time, that doesn't mean that they're demonized, right? That means that they need somebody to talk to. That means they're feeling bad about themselves. They're having, like, some self-esteem issues or something like that. And maybe they just need to talk. Maybe they just need to be encouraged. You know, we need to build each other up. But at the same time, when you're talking to people that need to be delivered, you have to get to the root of what's what the problem is. right find out when this trauma started uh or what traumatic event brought this stuff on what did

you do to allow this to happen if that's the case right and uh this lady had been a drug user and she did some pretty hardcore drugs man and these things that were going on weren't like well you messed your brain up you know because she was a fully functioning person you know she's holding a job, it's an outside force. And once you figure that out, and once they're ready to get rid of it and change, that's when you can go into the process. And it's basically, we would open up with prayer and praising the Lord. You know, that's very important to give praise to God.

And then we would go through from what we've talked about, what you have, have discerned might be the root spirits, right? So with her, there might have been a spirit of lust. There might have been a spirit of addiction. There might have been a spirit of deception, you know, these kind of things. So you renounce these things. You would say, and have her say, you know, I renounce you in the name of Jesus Christ, leave now in the name of Jesus Christ and go through each spirit to try to get this stuff away. And she struggled so hard with that. She would say, please leave.

I'm like, no, you can't say please. You know, we're not trying to be friendly with demons. Kick them out of there, right? And so she would get to where she could do that. And then I hit one. And she stopped cold and just looked at him and just locked eyes. Couldn't say it. Couldn't say what?

She couldn't say the name of the demon. Oh, so you were getting the names of the demons? Well, we were getting, their names are their characteristic, basically. Okay. Okay, so you would say, so like just, yeah, Pastor Troy Brewer was here not too long ago, and he had a demon that came in his house, and he said, who's there? Because he thought it was a person and goes, impenetrable, that would be the name of, gotcha. Yeah, it's the same thing.

Okay. Now, they might, like you said, go into the hierarchy. They might work under the order. of Jezebel or under the order of Lilith or whatever else. They identify that way? They can. Really? They might call themselves Jezebel or not.

Okay. Gotcha. Because that's who they're under, right? Yeah. And that's kind of, I think, what happened because it was Jezebel. We would say, you know, she would say, spirit of addiction, leave. That's no problem she could say that. This spirit leave.

This one leave. And all these different characteristics, all these things that you don't want to be, right? But I said, spirit of Jesuit. Isabel. And she just stopped. Just cold stopped right in the middle of the deliverance session and just stared at me. And she said, this is getting weird, Bo. And I said, yes, it is.

And she's like, I have tunnel vision. And, like, everything else just went blurry. And she just focused in on me. And it's my first time ever doing it, man. You know, this is your first time? Yeah. And I was like, I was like, you want to take a break? You know.

So, but. hire a documentary critic I'm with you next time. It was wild, man. But we've eventually worked through this to where she could say it. It just takes time. You know, you can pray over somebody

and things be set free. They could be broken off in minutes. It might take months. It just depends. What kind of stronghold they have if this person really wants them gone, you know? Why would somebody not want them gone, do you think?

You already nailed it. It's their identity. You know, if they say that they have anxiety, right? My anxiety, my depression, they kind of get comfortable with that. I had depression, dude. I carried that around with me for probably 25 years. Didn't even identify what it was until later in life. But it was so much more comfortable to be depressed.

because I could just give in. That don't make sense to a lot of people. Like, why would you want to be sad? And it's just like when you accept the fact, or in your mind, it's a fact, when you accept the thought that it doesn't matter what I do. This is just life. Right? I can't change it.

I don't deserve that anyway. It's a lie from the enemy. But there's a comfort in that. in a distorted, perverted way that you don't matter. So why do you need to fight? You're just laying down, man. But that becomes people's identity. That's the depressed person, you know.

And then there's also the sympathy that you get from it. You know, if we're going to be real, talk about emotions, people like to be, you know. Especially with like that's the only kind of attention they're used to getting. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like if the only attention they're used to getting is from the sympathy side of their afflictions. Yeah.

You let go if you get rid of the afflictions, or is the positive reinforcement going to come from that? Where's their identity? You don't know where that looks like. Yeah. Who are they anymore? Mm-hmm. You know? That's interesting.

You said something earlier about Satan not healing. And I just want to ask you about that because, all right, so we see in Job, right? Joe, Satan gets permission to put all these afflictions on Job and his life. In that kind of sense, would Satan also have the then authority and ability to remove the affliction if he put it there? Maybe. It's something I've been thinking about recently. That's why I wanted to ask you. Not that you should have the answer.

It's not sure question. It's just it's something I've been thinking about recently. Is it possible that afflictions could be purposely placed on people's lives? physical or things like that or a later purpose to remove to have that down the road vision of receiving the glory that God should receive.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's good. It's just an interesting thought that I started thinking about. I don't really have much substance behind it, though. Right. That would be some next level deception, you know? Yeah, but with just that,

I mean, it's like, if I can think of it, wouldn't he? Right. I mean so it's just like, to me, it's like, I don't know. I don't remember what got me thinking about that. Maybe it was people healing in the name of Satan. I don't know. But like, you definitely hear stories of people, you know, praying to other gods or something

and these miracles happening. And I really don't remember what got me thinking about that. But maybe it was that line of thinking. It's like, could it be that, you know, affliction, because we have biblical precedent of those afflictions being put on by the enemy. If the enemy has the authority to put the affliction on, do they have equal authority to take it off at a later time? Right. Is that?

Yeah, that's a good thought, man. Because even in that sense, it's not a true healing. It's just the stop of an attack. Yeah. It's like, exactly. It's like, I'm attacking you, and now I'm deciding to stop attacking you. Yeah. And from your vanish, where you're like, you're going to perceive it as a healing.

Yeah. Well, hell, I don't even want to say. Yeah. Yeah. But it's just like, I don't know, it's just, sometimes I find myself trying to think about the complexities of the spiritual realm, this war that's happening around us and the layers to it. And then you try to take the complexity and put it in a practical sense and what does that look like, right?

And, you know, we, I forget who said this online a few weeks ago. I saw, I think, on Instagram, but it's been popping up in my mind a lot. And I think I've even said it on recording since then, but it's not that this war is God versus Satan clashing and made the best man win. It's literally a war where it's three parties. You're the central focus. And each party feels they have the right to your attention. Yeah. The God party has the authority and once and believe, and how do I can say this?

because I don't want to say, oh, God believes. Like, no, God knows. So God knows he had, God's vying for your attention. That's the complex relationship you have here where it's not forced. He's, he's fighting for that attention, that love. And then you have this force over here who's trying to distract you and take that attention away from God. Yeah. And I don't think this, I don't think it's, oh, worship me as much as I don't care what you worship,

just don't worship him. Because if you're not worship him, the battle's won on my side. Yeah. And so it's one of those things where the complexity of this warfare that's happened, I mean, you can go into so many different areas. It's not just one tactic that's being deployed. Right. Yeah. And it's very legalistic.

Like, yes, God loves us. He loves us unconditionally, right? But if we, with this free will that we have, because God wants us to choose him, right? with this free will, if we choose to go after things of the world, you know, that the enemy offers, you know, he has a legal right to you. And that's, that's the battle. It's not, it's not like God couldn't snap the devil into oblivion. Right.

You know, he cast him out of heaven. So it's not like there's a, it's not like the enemy can even put up a fight against the Lord. he can just persuade you with that free will that you have, which is a gift from God. But that's the whole struggle, man, is do we deny our flesh and deny the world and seek God? And the thing is, if we can have anything, anything that we want once we align our will to His. Because God wants us to have a good life.

He wants us to be happy. He's not in the business of making his children suffer for fun. No, no. He wants us to have an abundant life. And he has a plan. We just have to get in line with that plan. Or we can sit here and kick against the wall all we want to and struggle and have attacks and think we're doing great or whatever the scenario is. But unless you're in God's will.

And there's even. a complexity in that when it comes to the warfare because one would say, especially, you know, if they're not Christian or whatever, it's like, well, I don't want God's warfare. I want my, I want, I know what I want. This is what I want. No, you don't. And it's like, exactly, because, and I've been in those shoes. I think a lot of us have.

Yeah. And it's like, I can't, I can't, in words, describe the absolute abundant fulfillment you have in life. when you align yourself with God. You think you know what you want until you submit to that and you say, okay, Lord, what is your will for my life? And you start, you start, stop resisting and just giving into this, this poll that he has for you. Like the fulfillment you have, it's supernatural fulfillment.

And you can't receive it anywhere else. So whatever you think you want for your life, you will not have the abundant fulfillment that you have. have when you line yourself properly. You mentioned about denying your flesh. That got my mind going to fasting, right? Yeah. So we talked about prayer being something that is a piece of the warfare, right?

Yeah, that's a weapon. A weapon, thank you. But fasting is as well. Yeah. And those two can go in tandem together. What are your thoughts on the fasting side of things and how that could you know affect somebody in this

spiritual warfare they're finding yeah man so soon I think fasting one when when they did it in Jesus' day fasting was part of of the religion right

there were certain times of the year that they were gone on fasts and there would be certain lengths of time for each one of those fasts but the way we practice it today we just incorporate that with our prayer life. So for me, and I haven't done it well for the last couple of months, but for me I try to take a day, right, one day a week,

and just push the food aside. And anytime I would feel hungry, pray, right, and have a specific thing you're praying for. And that way God sees your seriousness, you know, that you're earnest about this. And plus it puts that flesh into subjection. You know, I don't know how that works. I don't know how that is so powerful, but it is.

And I also know people that have been Christians and faith-filled, like, holy Christians that have never fasted, you know. They've been a Christian 50, 60 years, and they walk close to the Lord and they're anointed, it, but they'd never fasted. And I don't know if it's like how much stronger you could have been if you had, or if it's something that's just not been put on you to do. Well, I find that interesting because the first example you used there, I think I feel is probably the case where it's like, you know,

they probably were missing out on, you know, which is not saying they were operating underneath their own will and power, but they were just maybe missing out on a level of supernatural experience, you know, of what God can do. And I know this reel has been making its rounds. You probably have seen it. A lot of people probably have seen it. But, and I think it was Philip, Michael, or Philip Anthony Mitchell. Philip Anthony Mitchell, you've seen the reel?

No, I don't know, but I love him. Yeah, he's great. He's great. I love that guy. There's the one video, I haven't watched it, but on YouTube, it keeps popping up. the thumbnail is like, people in his church walked out after this. And I'm just like, of course they did. It's, he just, he just rips.

Yeah, I've watched that. Straight scripture. Like, it's just like, of course. Yeah. When you speak, it doesn't mesh well, I guess. But he talks about fasting in this one real. And he says how in Matthew, Jesus didn't say, if you fast, it's when you fast. And in three verses, he says, when you fast.

twice. It's doubling down when you fast. And it's just like it puts a perspective on things that actually I have it here. Let me read it real quick and then I'll go into it. It says Matthew 6, 16 through 18. And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites. For they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly I say to you, they have you, they have received their reward. Verse 17, but when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face.

18 says that your fasting may not be seen by others, but by your father who is in secret, and your father who sees in secret will reward you. But it says here in 16 and when you fast, and then in 17 it says, but when you fast. Right. And then 18 says that your fasting may.

So it's just like, it's clear that Jesus is saying, this isn't even like, if you do it, if you decide to do it, it's like, oh, no, this is what you're going to do. And when you do it, you know. And isn't that, is that right before or after he tells you how to pray? The Lord's prayer, I think is right above that. I don't, I have it in my notes. I don't have it in Bible.

Yeah, Matthew 6, it's the way to structure of prayer. And then he goes into when you fast. So prayer and fasting again, it's right there. It's powerful weapons, man. Yeah, absolutely. And you just see it throughout Old Testament, New Testament, and I just think that it's a good practice to have. I forget who I was talking to recently.

There was somebody in my church, but it's similar as you. I try to do, maybe it was something in my church. I don't remember. It doesn't matter. I try to do it at least once a month, you know. And I try to do, if I find myself doing a multiple, times a month. Maybe I'll go to like 24 hours. But like if I do it once a month, excuse me, I'm probably looking at about 48 hours. 72 would be great. But I've done, I've done five-day fast and

things like that. But I just think that it's, it's something that's overlooked a lot. And and if you're, if maybe if people are struggling with a breakthrough with the spiritual warfare and they haven't done the fasting aspect of it, that might be the missing puzzle for you. Yeah. That you'll see a breakthrough. If you start doing that, I would encourage actually people, if they're, if they're pleading for the Lord for a breakthrough and they're not seeing it, they haven't tried fasting amongst their pleading. Try fasting. Yeah, absolutely.

And if you're afraid that, oh, I might get lightheaded at work, no, you won't. No. No. It's called supernatural strength, baby. Yeah. It's weird how that happens, but. It's weird. All that happens.

Yeah. So I know you touch on the nephilum in the book. And when it comes to spiritual warfare, the idea of the nephalum is something that, you know, we think about the nephalum and Genesis 6 and these giants and all that stuff. But the nephalum are present today in a different form. And that form that they're in today really does influence. spiritual warfare. So I'll let you go into that.

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A traditional Christian theology, where do you get it from? It's the book of Enoch. It kind of lines it out there. It explains it that those that were. killed off in the flood and by even David and by Joshua and Caleb all these these remnant Nephilim that their disembodied spirits cannot ascend into heaven and they they don't descend until judgment so they're trapped here on the earth and what they want to do is repossess a body and they want to torment man and they hunger but they can't be satiated

and they dedicate their existence to our demise, our torment, and those are the demons. And if you would look at it as the enemy, right, if you put it in that context, so in Genesis, you have the Nephilim, and they are against man and all of God's creation, right? God wipes them out. They're on the earth.

after the flood. So there's still the enemy. You'll see it in the promised land, the Nephlim are there. It goes on further. But when you go into the New Testament, who is the enemy? It's demons.

It's the same bad guy. And it just goes throughout the entire Bible from one end to the other. It's the same bad guy. And it will be until the day of judgment, right? when they can finally go into the lake of fire. But there's something else about the Nephilim. I feel like, and it is in the book,

there's another character in the Bible that I think he might have been of that bloodline, maybe. And if I'm going away, if I'm going on too much of a tangent, just stop me, man. There's a character in the Bible that nobody talks about. And he is one of the baddest dudes, like in a negative way that I have found, you know, throughout the entire Bible. There's a guy named Doeg.

Are you familiar with him? No. Doeg is in First Samuel. You have David, right? He gets anointed. And then he defeats Goliath. And then Saul turns on him. And when Saul turns on him, David flees, after him and Jonathan make this covenant.

Right. David flees. And he finds himself, I can't remember the name of the town. He goes to this other land. And he goes into this high priest, a Himalek. He goes to him to try to get some bread, right? We know the story of that where he goes to get the sacred bread or whatever. And he lies to get this bread.

White lie. Yeah, white lie. But then while he's there, he also says, I need a sword. I need to defend myself. You know, all of a sudden he's terrified. You know, that spirit of fear is on him and he's lying. So these sinful things are happening. David's building up this horrible case against him. But what sword, what weapon does he get? He gets Goliath's sword.

And then like a dummy, he goes into Gath, which is where Goliath was from. And of course, he's going to get recognized. right. He's the only dude walking around with Goliath's sword. But he's also the guy to kill Glythe. Yeah. There's that too. Yeah. Good way to hide, right?

But while he is doing this, while he's getting the bread and stuff, this character named Doeg, D-O-E-G, sees him. And he's kind of like a mercenary kind of guy. So David goes and hides. He gets captured. he lies again, acts like he's crazy, and they kick him out of the kingdom, right? He's like, I don't want another madman, the king says, and he dispatches, you know, he just gets rid of David, and he goes and hides in a cave. Scared. Well, this Doeg sees him doing this.

So when Saul is chasing David, he gets a hold of this Doeag guy. And that's when his character comes into play. According to, like, Jewish writings and stuff, he was the most intelligent man of the time. He was a ruthless killer, man. Let me, if you don't care, I'm going to hear. I do not care at all. I'm, like, I'm crawling across the table and excitement. I'm just like, tell me.

It's the backstory to Psalm 34. Okay. Like, Psalm 34 is chapter 7 in my book. And so Doeg, he's a descendant of Esau. He's an Edomite. And he seems like he's just a little bit more than human, man. There's other Psalms that are dedicated to Doig, actually. Psalm 52 is all about this guy.

He gets commissioned by Saul to go out and kill these priests because of Himalek covers for David, right, when he lets him go, when he goes and gives him the bread. So when Saul tracks David to Gath, he ordered that Himalek and his 85 priests were going to, should be killed because they won't snitch on David. They won't give up his location.

And nobody wants to do this except for Doig. So he kills all of these priests. And he was apparently happy to do it. He killed everybody in Knob. He killed everything, the livestock and everything. He wipes out the whole place except for like one kid gets away. And of course, that kid knows where David's at and he gets to him. But the thing about this Doeig character, man,

I'm trying to find it in here now right here. It says in Jewish rabbinical literature, he's the greatest scholar of his time, but he's immoral and malicious. Some account says that he was visited by three angels of destruction, and this is wild because we look at angels as good guys, but everything is subject to God, right? So, like, the angel of destruction would still be under God's control.

it says the first angel made him forget his learning. The second one burned his soul and the third scattered the ashes. Now, Doeg died at 34. They don't know if it's by his peers or by David. But that's who this guy was. And him being the greatest scholar of his time, him killing 86 high priests. I don't know, he's just, there's just something about him that stood out to me. I think he was more than human, just the way he's described, how the angels themselves came and disassembled him.

You know what I mean? I just thought he was an interesting character. Almost like the angels, there needed to be a supernatural disassembling in order for him to be disassembled. Yeah. Like it wasn't just as easy as, hey, David, grab another stone and give another shot. Right, right. Like this kind, what Jesus says, this kind needs to be cast out through prayer and fasting, right? Yeah.

And it's that idea. It's like this kind, there's a special, there's a special formula for this kind. Yeah, there's something needs to be done for this guy. Interesting. And have you watched The House of David on Amazon? No, I mean, listen, like, there's so many people. So, how do I say this? it's not that I'm not interested.

I have a real aversion for whatever reason. It's not even like conscious. It's psychological. I've just realized this. That's the reason why you bring this out. I'm like, all right, let me just get this out of it.

I have this like subconscious psychological thing where it's like when everybody is doing something, I just don't do it then. I'm just like, it's even with like, um, even like with the show. Like,

they're, uh, my, everybody knows I'm, I'm friends with blurry creature guys. Like, I love Nate and Luke. They're really good friends of mine. There are times that I'm working on getting a guest for the show.

And then I'll hop on my computer and see that they just came out of an episode with that person. I scrap it. And it's just, it's like this thing. It's not, I don't think it's always good, right? But like, I just, I hate the retread stuff, right? And so when everybody's telling me, oh, House David and what's the other one, The Chosen Show? I haven't watched any of it.

And I'm just like, I'm like, whatever. I'll read it in the Bible. Well, you know, to be fair, it is in there. You know, it is in the Bible. But, man, those are good shows, man. Yeah, listen, maybe. Maybe. Okay.

Maybe. Where do I even get? Amazon, I guess? Yeah, it's on Amazon. Okay. And obviously, I'm not here to plug them. Please go ahead. But I don't care.

Doeg comes up in the House of David. Really? And I didn't see that coming, which I should have, you know, because he's a major part of David's fleeing. And he writes, there it is. That's why I thought there was something more to him. He calls him a gibbering. Really? Yeah.

In the House of David? In Psalm 52. In Psalm 52. It's in the book. It's in the book. It hasn't happened on the show. It's in the book book. It's in the book book.

Wow. So, yeah. Wow. Yeah. See, that's that's the, those are the nuggets that I enjoy so much. I mean, recently I came across, and I think I'll talk about this on the show too, but, you know, whatever, I'll repeat myself. In First King 18, verse 46, Elijah, it says, it says it differently in different versions, but I think in the ESV is says this way that God gave Elijah special strength. He tucked his cloak into his, or his sash into his cloak or something of that.

and then he ran ahead of the cherry. It's all the way to Jesru. Yeah, man. And I never, I mean, I'm going to be 40 in October, and I'm like, huh, you're telling me that God gave him Captain America speed here? Like, he ran faster than a chariot. And I forget where I saw, it must have been on a YouTube videos, because I find what I want to do.

So you guys are watching House of David. I watched these nerdy Bible YouTube channels that have like the the cartoon anime and they're like in 1856 this character and I just that's what I do right and I think it was a one of those things. Yeah. But like I think it said that he ran 15 or 16 miles like that and I'm like a marathon. Yeah, dude like superhuman speed too. I mean even if it was just one horse. Right. Maybe it was two, three horse cherry.

You know, like like what? How big was this chariot that he was running faster then that he ran ahead of? That's wild. It is. It's just the little nuggets, man, that lead to what I'm always saying and you and several others is that this is a supernatural book. It's a supernatural story. And it reveals that you are a supernatural being living a supernatural existence.

And you've been lied to your whole life. That this is just, this is what it is. You know, from dust we came, dust we go. That's it. there's nothing else. It's not true. What a lot. And when I mentioned them earlier, but when I had Sean Tabit in, I hope, and that episode,

I mean, it did well, but I wish it would have gone, if I could choose an episode to go viral, it would have been that one, just because I felt like it really gave good nuggets. And he talks about people's experiences where they're dead. And they come back. And he has countless, right? Christians, non-Christians, all this. People experience this, right? And we talked a lot about the idea of the enemy hijacking people's near-death experiences. So they're dead. And somewhere from here to wherever, there's a hijacking that's happening. And people are having these experiences where they're legit dead. They legit come back to life. So you didn't choose to die and you didn't choose to come back. It just happened. But when you

come back, you have these stories to tell, and that whole thing, it's like, that alone, the most skeptical mind, I don't know how you get around it when you're looking face to face with somebody who literally medically died. Some of these people were dead for days. You know, 24, 48 hours, sometimes 45 minutes. But nevertheless, you try dying for 45 minutes coming back, right? It's not something you choose to do. But yet when you come back and you have these stories from the quote unquote other side and you share these experiences stuff, like what is that? Right. Like, are you still stuck on this idea that you're just going to, you just return to the dirt and there's nothing more beyond this? Right. I mean, when you're talking to somebody who you

know died, came back to life and there are thousands of people like that. Yes. Like, how do you work your way around that. Right. It doesn't, it doesn't compute in my brain. And listen, listen, I know I do self-deprecation, but in all honesty, it may be I'm missing something because I just come, I never graduated at college. I barely graduated high school. I was a dumb truck driver, right? That's the self-deprecation stuff that people yell at me for. But it's like, maybe I'm missing something. But it doesn't make sense to me that you could have thousands of provable cases. These are not cases that's like, oh, I heard a story about who can tell. No, these are actual real provable cases. They died for extended periods of time. They come back to life

and they have a story to tell. How do you get around the fact that you do not believe we live as supernatural existence when that is actually happening? I know, man. I know. I got it out of my system. Did you just put that episode out a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it was a few weeks ago, yeah. Because it's on my downloads, but I haven't got to it yet. Yeah, he's a good dude, man. But I have a long drive home, so I'll definitely play that one. Have you heard the one with Troy Brewer, I called it, Jack, what do we call it? Nephalum, Rise of Nephalim Magic?

No. Yeah, yeah, dude. That one's like a two and a half hour one. Okay. Promise you, promise you, you're going to love it. Yeah. Pastor Troy Brewer, a dear friend of mine, he's coming back here. He left so many stories.

untold. I'm telling you. Was it on the members thing or is it on? No, it's public. Yeah. No, it's public. Yeah. Okay.

No, he's, so he, um, he fights against human trafficking. So he has a whole ministry and he has saved over 11,000 people from human trafficking globally. Wow. All over the world, he has orphanages and he has 4,000 kids in his care right now. And a lot of times in these orphanages, they raise these kids. And the orphanages that they build, are not like, you know, like factories. You know, it's, they're actual homes that are built with the intent to house kids who are trafficked.

Thank you. And a lot of times they are taken care of by people who were saved from trafficking. These kids grow up. They get to go to college. And this home they grew up in then is like the home that you would go home to mom and dad kind of thing. It's always going to be their home, whether they're five years old or 45-year-old. This is the home they can always come back to where mom and dad are kind of thing. and a lot of times those kids grow up, wind of hosting and taking care of kids.

It's like this cycle. And like I said, they have over 4,000 kids in their care. And doing that, it's a very physical, natural warfare type thing that you think, right? What you see in the news, oh, human trafficking, they're taking people physically and selling them into slavery and things like that. but there's also a real supernatural warfare happening when that is being engaged in. And when you come against it, you're now engaging in supernatural warfare on a level that's well beyond, oh, let's physically save this child. He has stories of kids who have told him things that they've seen supernaturally all over the world. Kids are saying the same thing

because it's literally a supernatural war that's happening. Like, when you think about a war, like a world war. There's battles in Germany. There's battles in Italy. And these are all individual battles in a greater war. This human trafficking thing is like it's an individual, giant individual battle of this great cosmic war. And he's come to understand that. He's had wild, wild things happened. And not even just in that, man. Like his life is wild. I hope his son comes next time. When I was in Texas, his son was driving me around. And he told me how his first time leaving the country on a misdister with his dad when he was 16, they go to India. And he almost gets sacrificed to a monkey god and they get kidnapped. Wow. Wow. I hope Ben comes to tell that story. Yeah, man, for real.

For real. Like, it's just, our existence is extremely supernatural. Yes, it is. And, the more we come to understand that, the more we'll see and understand why we're going through the negative things we're seeing in our life. And we'll also at the same time be equipped on how to overcome that. And that is what this book is all about. Amen. Amen. Dude, I appreciate you coming in and chopping it up with me. And it's just like when you talk to somebody, you know how like when you talk to somebody over I don't know you're 45 you'll get this so you you're talking to somebody on the phone that you never met before yeah and you know it's you talk to them or maybe you're you're you're writing letters or you know if you're a little younger text

messages right and you always wonder like I wonder if we'll have that same chemistry in person when I meet that person right yeah I always think that whenever I when I'm going to be meeting somebody that I've never met before, but I've had extended conversations with, just not in person. Right. And you don't disappoint, my friend. Oh, brother, I appreciate it.

I'm super comfortable here. You've been a gracious host. And I appreciate you for bringing me down here, man. Let me plug the book and just getting to meet you finally. It's about time, right? It is. I think we were supposed to meet each other for the first time on, like some kind of like

legend hunt, wasn't it? We were supposed to go do something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember what was that whole thing about. I forget. It was something in East Tennessee. East Tennessee, was it? Yeah.

I don't remember. Or was it the Haysai, was that Justin Kaiser's crew? That too, yeah. Yeah, yeah, because like, dude, I got to get Justin back down here. I miss him. So what I got to do is get up there.

I got to see this rock. Yeah, there's a whole lot of us up that way. Yeah, yeah. Come up. I know. I got to go. I gotta go see this rock. Have you seen the rock that he talks about?

No? Not yet. You know what I'm talking about that, right? Yeah. And if I remember correctly, there's more than just the rock now, right? Like, there's, like, more things they've found or they think they found or something. I don't know. I haven't talked to him in a while since he started pastoring.

Yeah. You know, I'll text him or whatever. Yeah. But I've kind of got away from this story. You don't like Justin anymore. Oh, I love Justin. You don't like Justin. I love Justin.

I just got away from the, the arc that they were on. You know, that story arc. Dude, I, I, I'm fascinated by that stuff. Yeah, man. And just, I love hunting down legends, whether it's biblical archaeology to archaeology, lost archaeology here in the States, to, you know, monsters and deep forests of Daniel Boone. Like, if it's a legend, I want to go hunt it down. Yeah.

You know, and that, I can't remember, Jack, look at the episode for that, too. and tell me what the episode was that Bo was on. You've probably looked it up like an hour ago now. What was the episode for Lilith with Bo? Do you remember? I think it was 657. Lilith comes called. No, sorry.

That's the... We've had several since then. 649, I believe. 649. That was with Bo. 657 was actually with Justin. And that was Lilith comes calling. 649 is with Bo and it's Lilith and the Fallon.

Yeah. Yeah, he saw that lady in white Like around these shed or something Yeah, man Dude, like he was sitting here telling that story That was a crazy one Because Joel was sitting here Justin was sitting across me

And I was sitting here And if I remember correctly, that episode No, I think it was just Joel that cried Whenever me and Joel are together We wind up crying. Really? Yeah. Like we bring the, we bring the cissy out of each other

I guess, I don't know. But I know when when Joey Anderson was here. Joel was here. And she hit the right buttons. And she got grown men crying. I tell you.

I was like, darn you. I love her, man. That was a fun conversation, too. Something about liminal spaces. I didn't know what else to call that episode. She was just found herself in Tennessee. I was like, come on through. And Joel was here.

And we sat down. We started talking. And what are you going to talk about? I don't care. Let's just start talking. And we just started talking. Perfect. And it went for a while.

And it jumped all over the place. But I remember, I think it was the episode with Justin that Joel realized that the entity that he woke up, the one night laying in bed with him, was actually Lilith. And it didn't really register that way before to him. Yeah. And when you have those kind of aha moments, it's not like you're scared. It's just like all of a sudden there's this like abundance of emotion that rise. up, you know?

Yeah, man. That's like a vulnerability. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like the older I get, the more emotional I've gotten to. Like, ever since I had my kids, man. Yeah, that happens, man. Like, it's always... It just gets worse from here.

Like, you hit 40 now, right? Yeah, it gets worse, man. My wife knows the sound effects, too, because I'll be at home and we'll be watching some of the kids. Like, you know how, like, these kids' cartoons always have those emotional moments and stuff. And I'll be watching something. And it's like, you know, the kids.

kid, like, it's an emotional moment with a daddy or something. It's like the kid, it's a cartoon. Hug to Dad. I love you, Daddy. And all of a sudden, you'll hear this. Huh. I'm trying to not cry. Like, huh. Yeah. I'm just like, I'm like trying to push these emotions down. And it's just, I'm like, why? Why am I like this now, you know? Let them out, bro. Just let it out, man. Oh, I hate it, dude. I hate it. Um, actually, I let's not, I don't want to wrap up yet, quite yet, because we opened up, and I'm glad we talked about the Lilith thing there for briefly, because there was a whole point that I wanted to hit on with that, which was the Principality side of things. So regional principalities that people, you talk about, and I talk about other people do too as well.

do you think that the regional principalities are these more in bold entities like Lilith or Ball or Moloch? Or do you think that there are regional principalities that are under their directive that are operating as well? I mean, how layer do you think the regional principality idea is? Yeah. I'm actually, I'm trying to work through that kind of stuff in my mind lately, man, about principalities. because in the last couple of years, I've been pondering it pretty hard because I thought that these principalities,

you know, whatever's over these regions, that there are these, you know, horrible demonic superpowers and they have hordes of demons under them. And there's just this constant battle, right? But then I had some experiences I went out with, you know, Josh Robertson, when I went out with them and we went to this snake mound, we prayed and we sang psalms and we anointed the land.

And then we came home and stuff hit the fan then too, man. Like, initially I thought, well, something followed me back. You know, I woke up three different times that night, man, with spiders crawling across my neck. Like, that's never happened, man. Like, have it three or four times. Yeah, it was just weird. I thought, okay, this is just creepy stuff happening.

But the more I started looking at, you know, where principalities are at in scripture or where they may be, it's, was it Psalm 82? is that the one? Yeah. God put them there. And God lets them stay there. God in counsel.

Yeah. So I think we need to tread lightly on these things. It's like when Michael in Jude, Michael said the Lord rebuke you to Satan because he didn't have that authority to rebuke the devil himself. I think we may not have the authority in some of these instances to try to shoo a principality away. You know what I mean? Like I think there has to be a level of respect, not fear, but a level of respect to what's in place. Now, of course, if it's something, some kind of lesser being or whatever, we're protected. you know, we use the name of Jesus Christ and everything trembles.

But yeah, man, I think with principalities, whatever they are, wherever they are, if it's geographic regions that they're in control of, if there's certain aspects of life that they're in control of. If there's like a principality over the monetary system, or if there's a principality over certain governmental systems or whatever it is, I think that we can resist these things, but I don't think it's our job necessarily to try to vanquish those things, you know? So that's just something that I'm coming around to lately.

And I could be wrong, and if I am, I hope somebody tells me. But I think, yeah, that's where I'm at pretty much. I think the principalities right now. Yeah. It's an interesting concept that I don't think gets a, explored a whole lot. But again, going back to Daniel 10, there's clearly principalities that have territories.

Yes. There's the Spirit of Prins of Persia and Greece in that chapter. And it's like, okay. And Michael is clearly the principality of Israel. Yeah. Right. Yep. And he had to leave his post, if I remember correctly, to relieve what we think is

Gabriel. I'm not, because I know in chapter 10 it doesn't say it's Gabriel, but I know Gabriel appears to... I'm pretty sure it's Gabriel, yeah. But for the well-actuallys out there, I just wanted to clarify. But it's just... It's interesting.

Like, the logistics of it all, it's like there's this clash, Gabriel and the Spirit Prince of Persia. Spirit, Prince of Persia, that's a territory. Right. And there's this clash. And he's trying to keep Gabriel from getting to Daniel.

And then Michael leaves his post to reinforce it. So Gabriel can get away. and they're clashing. And then Gabriel says to Daniel, I got to go soon because the Spirit Prince of Greece is coming to reinforce the Spirit Prince of Persia. And I got to go help my boy, Michael, who came to help me? Right.

And it's just like, whoa! It's the coolest stuff ever, man. It's the coolest stuff ever. Come on, man. Let's go. Now, how many are there? Where do I sign up for that? What did you say?

Now, how many are there? Right. Well, I mean, in all honesty, there's got to be a lot. There's got to be. Well, I was trying to come up with a number, which I don't know why, but it's just those things that you know you think about, like how many regions, because I know it's not divided up into the same number of countries we have, you know. Right, right, right.

But when Jesus sends out 70, right, his 70, two by two, and they go and they're casting out demons and they're claiming, you know, everything in the name of the Lord, I thought maybe there's 35 regions or maybe it was just 35 regions in Israel or in the nearby area, however far out they're. reached. I need to look at a map. But I thought there has to be at least 35. You know, if there's 70 going out two by two, because we're two were gathered, Jesus is with them, you know, is there 35, you know, or is there, what was that about? You know, what's that number? I don't know, man.

I just got a lot of thoughts in my head, but that's in the book, too. I hit on that, too. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's funny how you think you, you're like, oh, like, for instance, Daniel 10, right? We just talked about it several times. I'm sure you've talked about it to your church. I've talked about it to my church. But it's like, I fully expect 10, 15, 20 years from now.

I'll be back in there for some reason. I'm like, oh, wait a second. It'll be different. And that light bulb never clicked before. Yeah. It happens to me all the time. The word's alive, man. Yeah.

It's a lot. Like, you'll read through it. And it's, you can do it. right now probably you probably open up down for sure now it happens all the time it happens all the time that's why like i get like um hyper focused on things and i can't move off of it so for a while i was like fixated on uh exodus i just just kept on going through it and through it and through it and just like it i can't even describe it i don't know if it was like it's the ADHD in me it's just like i can't right i just got to keep going get going over and over and over again uh but now it's

It's Mark. Dude, that's like one of my favorites. Yeah. I love Mark. I just, I jumped in with Mark, about a month ago or something. You know, when Lizzie got her diagnosis and stuff, I was doing a lot of reading in there. And then other things just start popping. And I'm just like, wait a second.

Hold on a second. It's so action-packed. It's very. That's the deliverance book. You know, like, if you're going to read a gospel, it really deals with spiritual warfare. I think it's the book of Mark. And I didn't know. until recently, like in the last, within the last year, six months maybe, that they believe that

the book of Mark was written by Mark, but it's the words of Peter. Really? Because Peter couldn't write. Yeah. I guess it's, it's, well, there's first and second Peter. But in first and second Peter, I think at the end of it, it says who, was it somebody else? I think he said, I think it either beginning or end of the book, it says, because it brought my physical Bible, man. I can't help it. No, that's good. because I'm pretty sure he was illiterate.

Through Salinas. There you go. Yeah. And so that's interesting. I never heard that before. So it could be the secret gospel of Peter through the Mark, the Mark eyes of Mark. And Mark's like, I'm going to put my name on it. He won't be able to tell.

He won't know. He can't read. Yeah. But it makes sense, though. I mean, it's so, it's so like the action version. And Peter was like, he's the man of action, you know. He was like that extreme disciple that you can relate to so well. Someone was like, oh, I fell as you.

I'm just going to go away and die, you know, or, you know, don't talk about my Jesus. I'll lock your ear off. Yeah. And it's like, he's the man. I can identify with that. Oh, me too. A lot of people can. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, that's interesting about Mark, man. Yeah. That is very interesting. I never heard that before. but it makes sense. There's another realist going around, but it's this idea that John had to make sure he mentioned that he ran fast to Peter.

Yeah. It's like not necessary for the story. I ran it. Yeah, I did. I did. The one he loves. Oh, man. Well, listen, where can people get the book? Oh, Army of God.

Yes. It is available only on Amazon. It's on paperback. There's a hard back edition, and I think it's an e-book too. Okay. I'm pretty sure. But if you don't care, I'm just going to tell real quick, there's a number of chapters in here. Like I said, these are all going to be related to spiritual warfare.

And there's 12 chapters. There's tests versus temptations. So you can know what is a test from the Lord versus a temptation from the enemy. And I'll start with that because we need to. know are we under an attack or is this just a trial that the Lord's letting us go through to strengthen us. Then there's spiritual warfare 101 is what I call it. It's the first lesson that I gave at the church. It's a good one. Then principalities and powers. We went over a little bit of that. Chapter 4 is death and life and the power of the tongue. Talks about how to

pray in that chapter as well and I touch on generational curses and stuff too. Then Psalm 91 is a big breakdown on that. I had Vicky Joy on the show and it was after I did this

but I had Vicky joy on the show. We talked about Psalm 91 too. Then chapter 6 is forgiveness. It's a major aspect of being free. Psalm 34. everything I touched on about Doe Egg and all that that's in there.

Then there's chapter of love, spiritual gifts, deliverance. There's even like a micro step by step, you know, just the basics in there. And chapter 11 is being a disciple, how we need to be a little bit strict on ourselves sometimes when we're in this walk with the Lord. that's something that came to me more lately and then chapter 12 for those that may not be in the army of God yet it's the simplicity of salvation I just go in there just a little explanation

of how you can enlist yeah it's funny because when you become a Christian you get put into an army you get put into a war yeah And on a side, right? And I think that idea could be a deterrence for people. It's like, well, I don't want to be fighting in an order. I don't want any of this. And it's like, okay, let's backtrack a little bit because you have to understand you're already in the war. You're already in it. Like I said earlier, the moment you were born, you were put in a war. And there's an army out there that is literally seeking your destruction from the time you're a baby. And so you need to join the army that has.

there to help you through that process, right? And so, um, anyways, man, I really do appreciate you coming down here and having this conversation. It's, it's been awesome. It's been great for me too, man. I think next time I have you down here, I got to get a full table. It's going to be, you, me, get Kaiser down here. Yeah. And, um, I don't know, somebody else. Maybe we'll bring Joel down or something. That'd be good. Yeah. And just have a good conversation. I'd love it, man. Would you do it? Yeah. Awesome. Just tell me when. I got plenty of PTO at work. Perfect.

I got summer's off. Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe we'll get it done this summer. I don't know. It's funny. Like, my, uh, my schedule was about a month ago when Lindsay, uh, got diagnosed. I, my schedule didn't seem very full for the summer.

I was like, I'm, the show really might just take a breather. I mean, I was going to still put out episodes, but I was like, I don't know how much effort I'm going to put into seeking guests out and things like that. It's just going to be whoever comes to me kind of thing. Yeah. And then here we are, and my summer's almost full. I'm like booking August. I'm just like, well, you know, sometimes it just can't help myself.

It's funny how that works. Yeah. But, yeah, anytime, man, you guys are welcome down here. I'll talk to, maybe we'll start a group chat and figure something out. Yeah. And one more thing real quick, too. Speaking of wives, yeah.

Please keep my wife in your prayers too. Her name's Jess. She has, for a couple of years, been feeling off, been feeling real bad, real rough, fatigue. There's nothing's going right. And they just did some tests. And she's got some high thyroid issues. She's got a couple of nodules and some cysts.

And they're talking about wanting to do a biopsy. But I had no clue what all the thyroid controls, bro. But it is pretty important. Yeah, apparently. So, yeah, just keep her in your prayers. too. Yeah. And I pray for Lindsay every single night, man.

Appreciate it. Every night. That's the first thing. Well, one of the first things I go into because I'm expecting a miracle, man. Yeah. I'm excited about it. Yeah. I look forward to it.

It's one of those things where I don't really, like, the first you have the shock of it. And, dude, I had some sessions of crying where it was just like this, I never even cried that hard. Like, it was just, like, it was terrible. Like, it just, like, I, ugh, I don't remember in the car like that again, you know. But once, once the shock of it, the kind of wore off, is like, okay, this is where we're at. And you start thinking clearly, that's where I'm at. I'm expecting a miracle.

And I, you know, like just, what's today, Saturday? So it was Thursday is when we found out that the lump on her neck was cancerous. And then yesterday, they called her and said that they wanted. want to do the MRI MRI on her brain to make sure it's not there. And, you know, part of me is like, yeah, really hope it's not there, you know. And part of me is like, it ain't there. And the other part of me is like, if it's there, it's the same, I'm on the same protocol, you know, it's, nothing changes. Don't change anything, man. I'm just like, there's, there's going to be, there's, there's got to be. So, yeah, man. All right. Let's,

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