The Confessionals - 768: The Aliens Screwed Up the Abduction

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

What if your family barbecue was interrupted by a UFO returning your brother from an abduction? A surreal sighting triggers decades of suppressed memories, shared encounters, and chilling threats from mantis-like entities. The brothers recall walking through walls, mind control, and their mother’s abduction in 1959, revealing a dark, interdimensional agenda. This isn’t just another alien story…it’s the one they never wanted told.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ImposterYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just your weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. Merkel. Media's here. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boneing fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me.

And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand and he's running really fast. And spears Dan holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. And I look over and there are two getting pulled off the best.

bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals Podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel. Thanks for being here. If you have a crazy wild experience, you want to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email. My email address is Contact at theconfessionalspodcast.com. That's Contact at the Confessionalspodcast.com or go to the website, theconfessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Other words from me, just get a hold of me. If you want more shows, on a weekly basis, you can access them through our social media network. The

Confessionals members have their own social media app, and that is where we drop all the exclusive member episodes. If that sounds appealing to you, head on over to the Confessionalspodcast.com slash join and become a member today. Now, today we have Chris and Sean coming on the show. They are brothers who have gone through lifelong abduction scenarios together, and it all starts with our mom. She is also. somebody who's gone through these experiences, and they throughout their entire lives have shared experiences that they didn't even remember. But then everything changed in 1996 when what they perceived to be aliens made a crucial error during Sean's return after one of his abductions.

And that allowed Chris and other family members to witness the craft and it triggered a flood of repressed memories, revealing a lifetime of manipulation, experimentation, and mind control by these non-human entities. So let's get to Sean and Chris right now. All right. Today we have Chris and Sean. Chris and Sean. How are you guys? Great. Great, Johnny. How are you? I'm good. I'm glad you guys are here. Your brothers. And, you know, it's interesting because I've done this. I mean, I've had thousands of conversations, right? And I think we're around episode 750, something like that, 752 or 3 or something like that. you know, out of all the episodes that I've had, it's, it is a rarity that you have two people,

let alone family members that are coming on together to share about shared experiences, you know, sometimes you have people coming on and they're like, you know, we have big foot on the property and I saw it this time and my, my brother saw it this time and is never overlapping. But for you guys, this is a lifelong thing. There have been times where the experience involved you guys and other people. And I think that is a window into the phenomenon that we don't always get privy to. And also, this starts off well before you guys even walk the earth because your mom has been dealing with this stuff too. So I think what we're going to do today is we're going to start off with you guys sharing what you know about your mom's experiences.

and then we're going to jump fast forward to 96 when you guys had a pretty dramatic experience that really was a shifting moment in your lives. And then from there, we're going to jump around. We'd probably go back in time to your childhood and start rehashing memories to where you guys are at today with your experiences because it's an ongoing thing. So welcome to the show. And please start us off with your mom before you guys were even a thought. Well, in 1959, our mother, Rosanna Larry, was walking her family dog. She was like 13. She was a girl.

Beautiful, Irish Italian. She was great. And she was abducted into a triangle. This is 1959. Trianglecraft over her head. The reason we know about this is when we were children, I mean, frankly, they've been taking me since I was three, 1966, and Sean was born in 70, so, you know, 72, 73, he's a veteran.

But, throughout, until this event in 1996, the aliens did a spectacular job of not allowing you to access the memories. So when we were children, we did not really think about UFOs. We certainly didn't remember our experiences. I mean, there were glimpses all the time. There were moments, especially when you're younger, that you're able to. But we couldn't, and we weren't even interested in UFOs. But every time in the 1970s or the 1980s that some news report on the TV mentioned a UFO or UFO site, and it's not infrequent, you know, there's been so many of it years.

but if we were at our grandparents' house, my mother's parents, soon as they heard UFO on television, they would say, oh, that's just like with Roseanne. Remember that? Roseanne, she said she was taken in a triangle. That's just the same kind of thing. Well, how about that? They didn't really examine it.

I don't think they even considered it to be true, but they told us again and again. It stuck with them, you know? And what had happened was my mother was walking their family dog, a poodle. She had a poodle skirt on. She loved it. She was walking through the neighborhood. And she was only two blocks away.

And it was a bright sunny afternoon. And she looks at the ground, suddenly shadow. And she sees the shadow covers the width of the road and onto the two longs on the side with points. And she looks up. And she said there was a big. triangle hovering over me. And we would press her for details, and she had some details. She goes, well, what was it mean?

She said it was metallic, that it was dark gray, like graphite, a pencillet. And were there seams, or was it smooth? There were seams. There were sections to it, she said. And she said there were a little circular incense where they could have been lights or something. But she said in the center of the underside of it was a hatch that was open and it was she's looking into it and it is so completely black. And the next thing, it's night. The next thing, remember, she's standing in about the same spot in the neighborhood and it is black. It is night.

The dog's nowhere to be seen. And she didn't know how she got there. She walks home. Her parents were getting in the car. They were going. They called all her friends to see if she was somewhere in those three hours. But no one knew. And then the dog wandered home on his own. And they thought something was really wrong. They were going to go look for her.

They were going to go to the police if they couldn't find her. Just as she's staggering up the driveway, they were furious. Where were you? There was this triangle. It was over me, and she said it was perfectly silent. And there was no engine, there was no wake, there was no noise, no obvious form of propulsion. It was just hovering over her. And we're talking like 20 feet, not like, you know, at 5,000 foot elevation.

So that was that. And so we grew up hearing about this, this time a triangle took our mother. And we didn't take it seriously because they did. a fantastic job. A lot of people make a mistake in thinking that the aliens' great advantage over us is their

amazing advanced technology. It's not. Technology is, of course, amazing. I mean, we'll never approach it, but it's their neurological ability

to control your minds absolutely. That is their advantage over us. I don't see any way around it. It's the only way they've managed to get away with adoptions for 70 years by making sure that the abductees do not remember it. Otherwise, they get up and run to the police

or the National Guard. And if everybody was being abducted, woke up and called the Air Force or the governor, it would be very impossible for them to do what they've been doing for, what, three quarters of a century now? Next year is 60 years since they first took me. I don't see anybody.

In fact, I see less focus and interest on this ongoing invasion, you know, invasion at the very least, into your home, your mind and your body. They do what they want with you. Yeah, I feel like it's probably been going on for centuries. Like, it's been going on for a long time. And I'm curious about your mom. So just so I have this straight, she experienced almost like time differently than everybody else.

So everybody else for three hours is, looking for her. They don't know where she is. They, they in this timeline understand there's something wrong, something's going on. For her, did she ever remember anything other than just that flip of a switch where all a sudden she's groggy

walking up a driveway? Well, you know, I've never seen anything culturally that even approach is describing what it's like in the missing time. We worked with Bud Hopkins in 2005 and he came up to

investigate our case. He said on CNN that ours was an important case because it involved an active duty police officer who was being returned from an abduction and witnessed. So, but he's the man who coined the phrase missing time. And there were many points where my mother and my father and Sean even, they were taken out of a family station wagon in 1984. And when they got home it was midnight. They had driven less than a mile at 9 p.m. So there's a lot of that. But my mother did seem very much to retain

a lot more knowledge about this than we usually had. Before Sean came along, it was 1967, 68. You know, the Beatles are, you know, making the white album. And my mom, who was just 21, she had me very young. And we were home. The dad was working. God bless him, you know, a 22-year-old guy out there making the rent, taking care of his kid and his wife.

But so it was just me and mom at home. And I remember the night before they were there. They were there again, the night before. and I retained just a bit of it. And my mother was combing her hair in the mirror happy. And I said, Mom, who were those people who were here last night? And in that moment, she froze. She had its emotional reaction, overwhelming.

and she turned ghostly white and red face at like the same time and she dropped the brush and she wheeled face me. And I was, you know, I was four or five. And she grabs me by the shoulders and she looks in my eyes. And she kind of whispers, kind of shouts the same time. we never, ever, ever talk about them. Never. Do you understand me? You don't tell anyone.

You don't tell your friends? You don't tell your teacher. You don't even tell your father. And she shakes me, do you understand me? And I said, you know, okay. But why? She said, because they won't believe us. Then I said, but it's true.

She said, that doesn't matter. They will never believe us, and they will take you away from me, and they will give you with some other family. And I will never see you again, and I can't let that happen. So we never tell anyone. I said, okay, okay. And she calms down. You know, mom's always,

they have a way to kind of make it a positive thing, if they can. And what she said was, besides, they don't take us all that much, right? Mm-hmm. I don't know. I'm four.

How much is you? What do you mean us? Yeah. Yes, but one of my early ones were, they would get her in a trance, wake her up, and she would walk into my room and take me by the hand and walk me out with them. Gotcha. It was until, like, it was a few weeks before, like, I can tell because we changed departments a lot at that period before we got a house, so I know what years these things took place, and they started taking me alone like 68.

Like, like May. It was like May. And you were born in 66? I was born at 63. 63, okay. And they started taking me when I was about three years old. Yeah. So, but, so, you know, she's, mom's like 21 years old.

She's got a family. And she's dealing with that. And she's dealing with aliens, thanking us. and that's going to be the hardest thing for a mother. I think until I mentioned it to her that time, that she kind of thought that I didn't know. So it was kind of more okay because he's not having to deal with it.

And when I revealed her that, I did know, it sent her off. Because mothers are supposed to protect the children, you know? Every mother has sent to her her kids at one point. There's no such thing as monsters. You know, little kids wake up in the night

and there's a monster in the closet or under bed or the branches hitting the window. And moms come in. And their job is to say there's no such thing as monsters. You're safe. I'm here. But my mom knew that there were monsters. Yeah.

And wait a throughout her life. I feel like, Like there's there are some moms that know. And whether it's the experience that they've had or they're married to a podcast that talks to a lot of people. You know, I've done a pretty poor job over the years of shielding my kids from some of this stuff. Not in a bad way, but in a, I want to be overly protective way. and sometimes my kids are small. My son is, my daughter, she's smart, but not like my son.

My son is extremely smart, and he just picks things up. And so he now... Your daughter will hear that at some point. Yeah, I know. It sounds like when you're long gone and like... All right, so listen. So, Gemma, I know you're like 20 years old now. When I said this, you were four.

Fair enough. Yeah. But yeah, I understand. I understand the mother hen type of, you know, you just want to protect and make sure the children are safe. And I can only imagine the melting feeling your mom. Like her blood pressure probably rose a lot in that moment. You know, like it's probably why her face turned red. Because it's just like, hold on a second. That was like totally unexpected. The shot of adrenaline you get. And so it's clear that mom has had experiences. And you guys, you mentioned earlier how you guys really weren't in control of your own memories. And they had this ability to block the memories from you. And as time goes on, you learn that not only could they block them, but they could unlock them for you at times. So here's what happens with that.

Every time they show up, it's a complete shock. The first time they show up, it's a huge, enormous shock. What are these creatures walking through my backyard or my back door? But because they make you forget every time, it's that shock. It's like a reverse groundhog's day. It's this shock every time. I remember looking at it, gray, thinking it was, the first time, he's walking towards me.

And I was still a kid. At this incident, I was like nine or ten. And all I could think was, how is this thing alive? There's no way this can be real. They had legs like broomsticks and arms like broomsticks. So thin, no muscle. The neck was broomstick thin,

but the head was this big upside-down egg. with kind of a point to the chin and the vestigial mouth and the big black eyes. In that moment, I remember thinking that head is going to just snap right off that tiny neck, and it's walking in this strange fashion. You know, one minute, it's life is what you know, and the next, it's a surrealistic. It's a dolly painting. It didn't seem like a creature like that could actually live. And there it was, loping its way through the backyard.

are. So, because I don't want to, I don't want to get off track with this question, but I do want to ask because I think it might be a good foundational piece moving into the rest of this. With what you're just talking about, and Chris or Sean, you can chime in on this too if you, if you feel like you have a perspective to offer, you guys are now in 2025. Why do you think the memories are able to be recalled now for you to even talk about it here and now. Sure. Well, it was one event. But before we get off, Mom, Sean, there were times Sean was trying to describe the mom

that this was going on. Yeah, as a child. And what was her reaction? Well, one time, my father started the reaction of laughing. They laughed at me one time. Another time, she just told me, well, next time, scream if they come in. And, you know, I tried screaming and there was no sound that came out of my mouth. I was literally screaming, but you couldn't hear it.

But there was that one time, despite all that, and she was very much trying to say it wasn't happening at that point. Keep in mind, Sean, you know, seven years younger, this was a good 12 years after what I was the incident I was talking about. one time he was coming in after an abduction, and it was early evening, you was late for dinner. You're not allowed to be late for dinner without a really good excuse. And you come in, and what happened? She asked where I was, angrily, and I simply said I was with friends.

And she said, oh, okay, put down the plate, turned around, walked out of the room, never said anything about it again. Because if you would say, oh, it was with friends under other circumstances. Yeah. Where? Why weren't you here? But this she knew. And just kind of. Was it like a sixth sense that she just knew when you said friends that she knew what she were talking about?

Possibly. It's either that or she had some kind of controlling her to accept that lame excuse and turn around and just leave. the control can be so subtle, you think you're having your own ideas and thoughts, and they're planning it in your head. And you just go ahead and do things. And that was evident, getting back to the question, why do we remember now? Yeah, this is the 96 incident. Until 1996, we didn't remember anything. Or, you know, as I said, there were these little incidents that bubbled through it.

The alien, I don't know what the reason. But the aliens included our little family in their, you know, great big plans and they never let go. Just for a frame of reference, in 96, how old is everybody at this point? I mean, Sean, you're probably what, your early mid-20s? I was 26. Okay. I've been a police officer for two years at that point. Okay.

And I was 33. Okay. And I know that so many people out there have no idea they've been abducted. They're going to go through their lives, never knowing. Because if it wasn't for this incident, yeah, this series of errors that the aliens made for whatever reason, we would not be sitting here talking to you. We'd be going about the lives we led. So this is August 19th, 1990.

and I was working at the time for the Saratoga Springs Police Department doing traffic and crowd control at a third red race track here in Saratoga. We host the Belmont Stakes. It's very big, doubles the population of the city, so it was a part-time gig. On this day, I couldn't wait to get out because my mom invited me over to her house. We're having a family barbecue. She's going to grill up, burgers, dogs, swordfish. It's going to be great, and we're going to hang out by the pool. They're a beautiful, you know, 30-foot pool, dive-th board.

It was wonderful. It was a great time. So I hurried over there. I got out about 545. I'm in the backyard by 6. There was my mother, my aunt, Missy, and her son, Philip, who was splashing around the pool. It was like eight or nine at the time.

We were waiting for dad to come home before starting to grill up food. He was driving up from Albany. He commutes. And we're waiting for Sean to wake up and join us. Sean was living in my mother's house at the time, right? And in my old basement bedroom where the aliens certainly knew their way. You were what? Working overnight?

Yeah, I worked in midnight shift. through most of my career, including at this time. Yeah, so he had to sleep in the day. So, I guess, if they were going to take them, they would take them in the debt. But they have to bring them back. And they completely

things up. It's kind of hard to believe. And this is how subtle their control is and how effective. I sit down in a Che's lounge looking up with the sky, just relaxing, waiting for Sean to get up, and getting off my feet. I was in the road doing traffic all day. So I'm sitting there loving life, and Mom and Missy are talking over the table in the corner. For some reason, I pick up a old

newspaper that's sitting on the table next to me. It's our local paper. It's terrible. We never read it. It's a rag. We don't get it. Missy must have brought it over. But I pick up the paper, and I unfold it. You know, I don't just go through the page. I like this, you know, like when you hold a, like in the old 1950 sitcoms. Yeah. With the dad. Dad's sitting there.

Yeah. Want nothing to do with the wife and kids whatsoever. So the dog would bring him the slippers and paper and he'd sit in his easy chair and he would put up a paper barricade between him and whatever the hell his children wanted. like Fred McMurray and my three sons, you know. But I do that. And that was the thought in my head. What the hell and I suddenly Fred McMurray?

I don't know. But I'm just sitting back. And what it was doing was it was effectively blocking my entire view of the sky. Just completely blocked. And then my mother says, Hey, Chris, there's a UFO, you said you wanted to see. We had had a discussion recently. She knows what was going on, but she was kind of,

the tone of her voice was, I thought she was busting my balls. Oh, there's a UFO one. And then if I lower the newspaper and look, it's a clank going by or a mylar balloon that says, happy birthday or something. And they'd get a good laugh. And I'm not falling for it. So I kept the paper up.

I kept it up. And then Missy says, very concerned. What is that? And my mother said in a different voice, I don't know. And I said, okay, you know, if you're going to all this trouble, I will take the paper, lower this stupid paper. I'm not even reading. It's blocking my view and I lowered. I'm like, okay, what?

And it was, it was this craft appearing, like, coming in. materializing. At first I thought it was very far away because it had a couple of qualities of something far away. It was kind of faint and faded, like over a distance. It was a little blurry and it was kind of, it was warbling. So like if you ever saw a hot air balloon, you know, at a balloon festival, the ones that are very far away, the colors are more faint and more indistinct just from the atmosphere. But as we watched it, it became more and more focused.

It had like a heat mirage thing going on, these warmly waves. But heat mirages just go up, you know, like on a hot road in the desert in summer. But it was kind of radiating these weights. And we're watching. We're not doing anything else. We're watching this thing.

And then suddenly you can see, that it's like a flattened sphere. That's all I could think. It was an oval disc, and it was gray, and there was a black band around the center. As I said, to this point, I never thought I saw anything. So I didn't think it was a flying saucer. What the hell's that?

My first, and you see something really weird, A lot of people will try to debunk by saying, oh, people leave to conclusions. They see anything weird. They think it's applying to the alien ship. But really, it's the opposite. Your mind is looking for any rational explanation they can come up with, you know, a Budweiser blend, just whatever.

And I thought, because of its shape, I thought it was, and it's gray, and there's a black band around the center, I thought it was maybe a problem. emotional balloon, a new Lucas prequel Star Wars trilogy? Because it looked like it looked like the Death Star

if somebody had deflated it. And what it really was was a absolute classic, perfect flying saucer. And as we watched, it became more and more clear. And suddenly to the point where the sunlight was bouncing off it and there were shadows underneath.

Before that, there was no lighting to it. and it's just crystal clear and it's spinning one way and then the other and we're watching that the top opposite of the bottom. Yes, the bottom is spinning one way, the top is spinning the other way with the black band in between. With a black band separating them at the equator. So we're watching this and it's not moving on. We thought maybe we're seeing something weird and it's just going to pass by. No, it approached to over our property lines between us and our neighbors and maybe 40 feet near and maybe 40 feet from where we stood.

And I looked at my mom and I looked at Missy and Phil and they were in a trance. They were mouths open, staring, no expression on their face. and this had been six minutes already, and none of us had spoken. I hadn't even got up out of the chaise lounge, but suddenly I did. It was getting weird, and when you're under their influence, they take away fear and panic, but they still leave curiosity, and I wanted to know more. I got up and I walked the length of a pool, and I was almost completely under it.

And a voice said, don't stand under it. Could be dangerous. I thought it was my thought. I'd go, oh, yeah, I probably shouldn't. I back off. And then the craft on the black band, a red light, round red light comes on,

and it goes around and around the center, and it spins, it's spinning like a sparkler at a fair and the whole craft lights up in this rose, gold, orange color with these little needles of light covering the whole thing.

The whole thing, like a road flare. You know, that kind of magnesium pink orange with like kind of needles or of life. And my thought at that moment was, my first thought was,

thank God I saw it before this. I never know what it is. There's a metal flying saucer underneath there, and I was finally using the words. And I looked at my, everybody's in a trance. I said, this could go south at any minute.

I have no idea what's happening. This could be it for us. I'm going to go get Sean. Sean has it done? I'm going to go wake him up. and I run to the back door, but I freeze at the back step, because all of a sudden an ID in my head said, don't go get him.

Look at this thing. You'll never get to see something like this again. You know if you go inside, it's going to be gone. So watch it as long as you can. And it slowed me down for about 20 seconds. And then I said, no, no, I've got to go get you on. and I head for his room. Now, this is where Sean enters the picture, right?

Yeah. While I was downstairs. Before that, you were in the ship looking down. Yeah, I know. Oh, I was supposed to be downstairs. I'll interrupt me. It's all right. Sorry.

I did the same to you. The first memory I have, I don't remember being taken. I don't remember where. I was prior to this, the first memory I have is looking down into the backyard and seeing everybody around the pool and getting excited that everybody's there and I'm going to go swimming. And I want to describe it as I'm not looking out a window. There's no small amount. There's a completely unobstructed view that I have of the backyard. I don't see the inside wall of the craft I'm in. I don't even know I'm in a craft at that point. I just know I'm at an elevated

point looking down into my backyard and seeing the family there by the pool. I get excited. So I ask, and I must have known who I was asking at the time, but I don't remember arriving with them. I ask, can I go swimming? And that's when I hear and see a response. There's off to my right, maybe 10 feet away, maybe 12. There's a small gray alien. He leans forward at the waist and looks, turns his head directly at me, and he says, we're taking you to bed. You can get up and go swimming, and he even emphasized the word up.

And then I noticed there were two other aliens standing directly behind me. one behind each shoulder, and they were a little bit taller. They were almost my height. And I was completely alert while I was standing there asking them if I could go swimming. Then I saw reflections off the pool water like he described. It was flare-like, all just these tiny little points of light bouncing off the pool water. And the thought I had in my head at the time was, It must be the angle.

It must be the sun's reflection off the water, and it just looks strange because I'm up in the air. It's a strange angle for me. Next thing I know, I'm in the basement, not in my bedroom, but like the living room down there. It's a little apartment. And I've got each arm over the shoulders of the two aliens that were behind me. And at this point, I'm completely groggy, similar to being drunk or on the anesthesia right after a surgery or something. And I've been through a number of those so I know how it feels. So I'm literally really groggy and having a hard time walking.

They're holding me up and helping me to bed just like they're helping a drunk friend to bed. You've seen it a million times, at least I've seen it a million times. and we're walking towards my bedroom, and I look to the one on my right arm, and I say thanks, and he doesn't respond. So I look to him again and thank him again, and his response was, I quote, yeah, yeah, and continue to get us into the bedroom.

I don't remember being placed into the bed, But I remember I'm laying in the bed, and I hear one of them on the side of the bed, going to an absolute panic. He says, he's coming. We're going to get caught. And I've never seen anybody as scared as what I felt from him. I could feel his fear. And I'm thinking to my, and the other one responds to him, cool as a cucumber, who's at the foot of my bed.

he says, no, he's not, not yet. And that was when I was running each on and I stopped. They had me stop and watch for a little bit longer. And I didn't know that at the time, of course. So I'm thinking to myself, who were they talking about? Who could they possibly be afraid of catching them? Is there some right here? Supreme being on its way here to catch them in the act of doing this?

and are they not supposed to be doing this? So it took every ounce of energy that I had to sit up in the bed, look directly at them. They're both at the foot of my bed at this point, and I say, who's coming? And when I say, say and talk, we're using telepathy to communicate. You know, I don't know how, but we are.

And when they were talking to each other, I overheard them. So it's not just from one head to the other. Somehow I could overhear what two others are talking about. So I sat up, asked who's coming, and they were both kind of startled to see me sitting up, and they both turned to face me, and they say, in unison,

go to sleep. And I couldn't resist it. I fell back down into the bed, started to drift off to sleep. And what seemed like immediately thereafter, I hear, boom, blah, blah, boom, on my door, it's Chris. He says, exact words are, Sean, get up. There's a UFO outside.

And I tried to answer him telepathically because I was just using telepathy. And what I'm trying to say to him is, of course there is. They were just here. or they just left. And what had happened was I had run down the stairs,

like four at a time, after they initially held me off for half, 20 seconds. And I was going to throw his door open. And in my head, I had an idea or a thought, said, don't,

don't open his door. Sean has a gun. If you startled him, he could shoot you. And I know Sean, keeps his gun locked up. He's not under his pillow like Ray Leota and Goodfellas. But I said, oh, yeah, I guess I shouldn't.

So I didn't throw his door open. And if I had, I would have caught them. I would have seen that. And, you know what I thought about many times what I would have done if I did. I would have screamed like a, five-year-old girl and probably ruined my pants

because it would have it would have been, you know, so I didn't, but I pounded on his door. John, it's so hard, bam, bam, bam, like a cop, you know, showing up at a domestic or something. And then I ran back upstairs.

I can't wait for you to get up. John, get up. There's a UFO lot of time. Now, run back. up and now the craft is moving away. It's over the next street and it is no longer glowing like a road clear. It's silver again with the black band in the center, but what was weird about it was it was it was no longer like this. It was like this, like a wheel. And it was just loping its way over the neighbor's houses ahead and east. And then Sean comes upstairs. And then Sean's girlfriend shows up.

she had seen the crowd in the later stages of it at least i'm not sure at what point she entered but sean comes upstairs and mom and missy and phil and me and this girlfriend are flying saucer it was right here and um and i and i think shone was in pain i noticed he was wincing. Like somebody who's been in a subterranean dungeon for a month that comes out in the sun, he was in pain. I thought, wow, I woke him up too soon. He's like, like he had a headache, just trying to talk to us. So, and I said to him, he's got these great cars, classic cars. And he had his sports car right there. Sean, let's get a new car and let's follow it. I'm sure we can see it. You won't believe it. It's incredible. Real flat saucers.

It was bells. And he goes, okay, and we're driving east. But the craft had gone at a slight angle, and the road goes this way, and there's not a lot of cross roads. And I said to me, you wouldn't have believed it. You wouldn't have believed it, John. It was a flying saucer. It was over the house. It was like 10 minutes.

And Sean said, Uh, yeah, I said, you're right. Yeah, they were returning me. Yeah. They were returning me. And I thought to myself, oh, man, he did not get enough sleep because, no, and this is what I said. And in the retrospect that we have, it was kind of almost comical. I said to it.

No, no, Sean, we're not talking about, in an abduction, we're just talking about a flying saucer parked over the house for 10 minutes. You know, I couldn't make that connection. and he said to me, they've taken you too. And I said, Sean, no, I've never been abducted. And at this point, I had a different reaction.

I was scared because I thought Sean was a little bit crazy. I thought, you know, and that scared me. We have friends who lives were completely ruined by schizophrenia and all that. So I thought that's just, crazy.

And that scared me because Sean was always, Sean is the rock. He's the cop. He's the one you turn to when you need somebody to take down these Russian gangs of ATM thieves that run off into the woods. He is the tough cop and he's rational

and he's smart and he's prepared. So it scared me. I thought, oh, no. And he said, yeah, they've taken you. And he said, don't you remember. the time when mom screamed and said, they're back. Why do they always come? Why do they have to come back?

Why do they always have to come back? I finished the sentence when he started it. And holy, it was, do you ever see like a horror movie where the main character see something incredibly weird? and the camera cuts to him and it like zooms and reality kind of. It's a dolly shot. You know, it's where they push him on a dolly. And so the background moves,

that was what, it was a dolly shot. It was, we're in this car going on the highway. It was as if somebody standing the side of the road lobbed a bowling ball and it went through the windshield.

And it hit me right in the and blew my mind, excuse my language. And in that moment it broke loose all these all these memories all at once cascading. It was like the block. I did remember that. And not only did I remember what she screamed, I remember everything that happened after that.

They were taking the whole family and all of it was right laid out in front of me. It was. and I have no doubt that had I been allowed to just drift back off to sleep and I had woken up at some point afterward, I never would have remembered it. I think it's only because I never really got back to sleep like they wanted me to get. And he woke me off straight up saying he saw the UFO outside. And I'm putting it together in my head as I'm running up the stairs. I'm like, yeah, this just happened.

So this is the first time you've had memory recall yourself? At that age, yeah, yes, absolutely. So, man, I don't, if there's more... My mother as well. It broke the holes that they had had over us for song. We were confronted with the reality of the situation. And for the first time in my life and my mother's life, we were dealing with an alien ship without being abducted, without being deep under their telepathic control. And that's, that was it.

And it was a confluence of errors if mom didn't force me to look past the newspaper that I'm completely confident they had me hold up. Even if they had just approached from a different direction, they seem to come from the south sometimes. I've noticed that. and leave towards the south on certain times. But this time towards the east. Southeast.

But had they approached where the roof of our house blocked their vision, or maybe even from the north, they might not have even seen the craft. And I wouldn't have seen it. I wouldn't have gone and prevented Sean from getting back to sleep, which clearly has something to do with the way they recall your memory, the way they cover your memories. Although there are times where they bring you back

and you're awake when you're back and you still don't remember. So, you know, you don't have to go to sleep to forget it. It's true. So I don't know, maybe it was just the fact that instantaneously I'm confronted with, hey, there's a UFO outside. Wait a second. They were just in here. and I had a, you know, a conversation with them, too.

You know, they didn't just bring me in, the one who's, yeah, yeah, didn't want to talk at all. He didn't want to alert me. They must have known we were witnessing this on the outside. And they clearly used the flare thing to cover bringing Sean back, whether it was. Yeah, they didn't see us, like, float through the air or anything, which we've done going and coming before. I believe that they teleported us directly into the basement. And it's not the only time I was teleported. So with that, is it possible that the teleportation,

how do I say this? Like, could it be that the commute from the craft to the house or the house to the craft being teleported looks the same? but at times you don't remember the actual trip every time. Does that make sense? Because, I mean, like, if you remember actually being taken into the craft kind of thing,

but then there's other times that it's more of a teleportation, could that be a lack of... I don't remember every time. Sometimes I only remember either coming or going. So I don't have the whole incident, you know, from start to finish. I don't have any of those, those memories.

But you were on the craft looking at the pool with your arm overwork each of the shoulders in the next instant he was in the bedroom. And you said that situation where they couldn't, what's that? I was just going to confirm. Sean, you said that when you were in the craft, you were very lucid, right? And it was the transition from the craft to the basement that made you so grubby. All of a sudden, yeah. Okay. And I don't know what caused that, whether it was the teleportation or.

or it was something they gave me or mind control. I have no idea. But lucid is a sliding scale. They never have you lucid on the ship because you would scream, you would flee, you would fight, you would pick something off. Instead, he's just talking to them.

So he's alert in one sense, but not like fully alert. They never let me near them. I felt comfortable where I was. I was not in the least bit shocked when I saw the alien. I wasn't shocked to be hovering above the backyard. It felt normal. All I wanted to do was join my family by the pool because it looked like a lot of fun.

So I asked and started the conversation. And so do we, are we, maybe I'm hearing it wrong, but are we all on the same page then that what, Chris, what you and your family saw was more of them, bringing him back and not taking him? Hey, everyone, from now to July 15th, we're running a sale on the website. We have select t-shirts on sale like the Alien Hand and Lichen Pack and members. You get access to a discount code that's site-wide that will discount each item you purchase. The discount code is available right now in the members app, and you can go ahead and check out that code.

Plug it into the website and get your discount. today. Yes. Oh, yeah, no, no. When they took them, I don't know when. He's home nine or ten in the morning, goes to sleep, something like that. I was at my apartment, which was less than a mile away. And then I went to work at 10 o'clock in the morning at the race track to direct traffic

and crowd control and all that sort of thing. And then I had gotten out at six. So, yeah, we were not involved. But they took that. It's kind of the opposite. of the Travis Walton case. They saw him being taken. You know, they didn't literally see him go into the craft by any means, but they saw

the craft and him knocked out and then they return and he's gone. This is the opposite. They're witnessing my return. They all thought I was downstairs asleep because I had been downstairs asleep. So when you were looking out, however you were looking out this craft, I mean, there's got to be some kind of translucent field or something. You, as far as you can remember, you weren't expecting to be in your basement at that moment, right? Like, Chris was expecting you to be in the basement. You weren't.

No, I, you know, I didn't feel out of place at all. But I still have no memory of anything that happened before it. Gotcha. Maybe I did at the moment. But, you know, since I woke up, I certainly don't remember anything before seeing everybody at the pool. looking down in the backyard on that incident. It's very often you remember the heads and tails of abduction experiences. And this was the tale for him.

You don't really often remember the middle. One, they like you to be ambulatory. They don't want to carry you or drive or anything like that. So they just put you under control and you follow them. You do exactly what they said. Get up on, can you get up on the table by yourself? Sure. Okay. And also, as I say, when they do come to you and you freak out, they go, wait, wait, you remember me.

And in that instant, you do remember them and you remember all of the things you've done together. And the way they do, you remember me. And at the same time, they're changing your mind. So you're not screaming at monsters. You're like, oh, oh, yeah, of course I remember. How can I forget you? Of course I remember me. Sorry, how can I forget you? And they say something like, don't worry about it. It's okay.

We get it. Instead of saying, you don't remember me because we control your minds and your memories, you kind of let you out there take the blame for not remembering them. They're very duplicitous at the very least. They're like, yeah, yeah. And then in that moment you remember every. And I think it's for a couple of reasons. One, so they don't have to answer the same questions every single time.

And two, so you're up to speed on the protocol. You know what to expect. You know what they're going to have you do. You know what the ships are like. And you actually know the individuals that have come for you. I think they give you quite often it's been the same ones with me throughout the years they were taking me. It's like that's the teens assigned to you or something like that. So with 96, Chris, you were out in the yard and you at first were not taking the newspaper down.

At one point, you mentioned how your mom and somebody's girlfriend, I think, somebody else that was there, it was almost like they were in a trance just staring at it. Yeah. But you also remember, recall that this. was a moment that your mom started remember things too. So none of the exact moment while she was standing there. Right, but was she

actually... I later forced the conversation on everybody. You know, there was the elephant in the room. There's a UFO in the backyard. I might as well tell everybody what's been going on. The thing we've avoided since 1959, we couldn't

pretend anymore. We couldn't ignore it. And it was all their hold. And apparently that hold is not as strong always. I mean, they were up against it. They were dealing with, you know, they were in an awful situation. They were turning a guy with witnesses in the backyard. How are they going to do that? I'm sure there was two grays got in a lot of trouble. I bet they did because they blew their gig with us. It blew their game up. It makes you wonder, like, if they have this ability, why is it that they make a scheduling error, essentially? You don't know me?

Yeah, and the capable of errors. I've seen it before. But I do question myself, what if Chris did open that door? Well, they've been able to mind control him before. Couldn't they have just, you know, done whatever they had to do with him? and then, you know, be as comfortable leaving. I don't know why there was such a panic in the one. You know, some things I don't get.

By the way, I take great pride in being the man who scared an alien. That's my, that's going to be on my tomb. I've never heard an alien being scared before. Yeah, they're not perfect. It seems foolish. Why would they do this? I don't know. I mean, they're not gods.

You know what they are? They're halfway between gods and that's what they are. They are like gods. They have these enormous abilities, but they can be stupid in some ways. Not often, but they get misjudge what a kid is capable of doing and performing. So I don't know. I mean, they do a pretty good job. And I just, they certainly don't like perfect.

They can disagree on how to do things. And if one of them makes a mistake, they can catch health for it from, you know, the tall of the gray. There is a lot of talk going around that causes us to bristle. Suddenly in the past a few years, it's been, oh, well, they're just like robot. They're biological robots. And my labs may come in a factory in Trenton, New Jersey, and the bodies are stacked up on the floor until they need them to go to them. These are not robots. There is alive and individual as you or me. In fact, they're considerably more alive than I am. The things they do and the

things they are capable of. And they have an emotional range. The way the telepath, telepathy goes in your head, if it's something they're feeling strongly about, you feel their emotions. Like Sean felt the one was scared. Normally their emotions range from, you know, angry to perturbed. You know, they can be bored. They're very bored.

Because to them, these abductions are like a day at work. They've done it. It's like going to a dentist office. They take you, they put you in the chair, you wait here until it's your turn, we'll do this, and then we'll get you out of here. And, um, but the personalities are so distinct.

Some of them can be kind. They could be kind, very kind, and try and engage you in a little bit of conversation that they shouldn't. And others can be angry and cruel, downright cruel. They're a lot like people. And the way, when we talk about what they're saying in our head

and he's like, we're going to get caught, that's the way they speak. That's the way we hear them is in a conversational English like anyone who speak to you. It's not a stilted robotic. Oh, no, the human is approaching. We must change our deckdowns. They're not Daleks. They're not bored.

And their minds are all linked pretty much. I mean, at least the group that's with you, and at least one of them is in contact with higher-ups further away. It's like they're saying we got to step it up or something like that. They're all in each other's heads. And so they all know what the other one's talking about. And there were a couple of times for each of us where they told us something they shouldn't. Because if these grays are good, they're not. They act in absolute secrecy.

Absolute. That includes not telling you the abductee a darn thing about who they are, what they're doing, they don't tell you because they're up to no good. It's a hostage situation. Like somebody who's doing a kidnapping, piracy, you're not telling the people you have hostage what your goal and plan is. It's irrelevant to them. There was a kind of sickness in this UFO feel,

and people don't even know they're doing it. They're alien apologists. They're like, oh, well, they probably didn't know what they were doing. They didn't know that, you know, kidnapping your children, they're performing medical procedures and breeding them is wrong. They just don't know. I call BS because they're inside your mind. They're fully inside your mind and understand everything you feel and think.

So they know that we consider this to be wrong. The crimes of the flying saucers, let me tell you, one abduction. If you did it, you would never see the light of day. again, you'd be in prison for the rest of your life. Let's start with home invasion. Home invasion, that's breaking in while people are in there. That can get you 20 years to life, depending on the harm that's brought to the people inside. You add to that, like you say, kidnapping of a child specifically, but they do adults too.

How about forced medical procedures? how about forcing people to reproduce against their will, extract embryos, eggs, sperm, to make hybrid beings against your will? And these offspring that are half yours are their property. They can make as many as they want. They'll take you again if they want more. People think that they're adhered to, there are friends, their cosmic brothers, who are just testing us and they just want to figure out what we're like with these adults.

They just can't figure it out. No, they know exactly how we work, and they're exploiting us like any other resource. We are a resource to them. Here's how little aliens think of humans. They don't think you have the right to just be left alone. They don't think you have the right to stay home. They don't think you have the right to control your own mind, your own attitude. If they don't like what you're thinking, they will paralyze you.

you what where you stand and then they will turn your mind around to do exactly what they want to make you complacent and compliant and that's how little they think of us that we don't have any autonomy and we don't deserve it i i feel like they it's not even so i think you guys and i probably disagree on some things but this stuff we do i i feel like i i get a sense that um i might be a little bit more on the wooey side but not on the let's summon them with CE5 side either. But like when it comes to this, I mean, I feel like it's not even they don't think we have the right. I feel like there's even, I think there's a disdain towards humanity that it's not even that it's like, oh, we don't

think you deserve this. It's like, no, we hate you for having this. And we're going to, we're going to violate your human rights. And if you guys said, you've listened to the show before. I mean, like, I come, I, I come from a Christian perspective. And so I, when I, when I, when I, when I, like, what, like, you're just, you're talking about the hybrid stuff. I'm on board with. I want 100%. Um, I feel like a lot of this stuff is, uh, people define things differently. And when you're being, when, when you guys or other people are being taken, I get this feeling that, and it's like, you know, as somebody who doesn't recall being, abducted and I don't know if I ever was.

I just talked to a lot of people. There's this whole thing where it's like interdimensional, like they're transcending some kind of dimension. Like even when you were talking about how it looked like it was like a heat mirage and then it became more clear, my thought was do you feel like it could have been materializing into this physical existence from another dimensional plane? I'm convinced they're interdimensional and I'm convinced I watched them.

come into this dimension. The only two choices are interdimensional or cloaking device, but it sure as hell didn't look like a cloaking device because it took a long time to form and become solid enough to be in our world, to reflect the sun and to cast a shadow underneath it. And I was, it was a broad daylight, blue sky, and I sat there as an observer, and I tried to memorize every instant of the changes it went through.

I'm convinced they're interdimensional. Yeah, they didn't come like, that's what I kind of chuckle at this. Oh, there's ship coming in 2027. They're getting here. Really? How are they coming? Like, Rayhound boss? Because I've seen them.

They just show up. It's like, how much further? Well, we're coming up on Jupiter, you know? I mean, you guys are talking about being teleported. I mean, like, it's kind of instantaneous. Yeah, I mean, we don't know exactly how they work, but... Sure. Yeah, the things that we've experienced, levitation, being passed through solid walls and solid...

You personally have been passed through solid walls. Absolutely, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, Sean, one of the first times they took him. They levitated him on bed, right? what happened was I noticed there's beings in my room

it's dark I'm like young I couldn't say five or five six because we were at 17 like that yeah and I'm like this can't be real but I think there's somebody in here

so I got myself underneath my blanket and held it as tight as I could and just waited to see what was going to happen and sure enough I felt a tugging on the blanket, which A, scared the shit out of me because this is real. There's somebody there tugging my blanket. But B, it gave me a little bit of release that I can hold this blanket. They're not getting me, you know.

And as soon as I had the thought of my foot, I could feel somebody grab my ankle and yank me out of the bed the other direction. and I was levitating out of the bed, except my right foot or my right leg still felt heavy, and it kept dropping towards the floor. And one of the tall aliens, he leaned forward towards my head, and he just said, relax. And as soon as he said, relax, my leg lifted right up. I felt no weight.

And then I was floated through the wall, feet first upward, towards the craft. And I remember looking down at the side of my house and the roof and saying to myself, they're not even going to know what happened to me. I thought this was the end for me. And my parents wouldn't even know where I was when they got us in the morning. So you were upside down. Yeah, yeah.

Looking down at the house of the chimney as you're sucked up into this craft. To the crafts? I don't know when we really disagree. on. Well, no, I said so that, no, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I, that's, that's, I, I, uh, I, well, I mean, I, so, for instance, maybe, and maybe it's, it's a wrong word, but, like, uh, defining things. Like, I think a lot of this action coming from, uh, a theological perspective for me, uh, is happening in the second heaven. I don't know if you guys know much about that, but just scripturally speaking, it says that the, so the, Paul said that he was once taken to the third heaven where God resides. And then, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and then, uh, uh, uh, uh, and then, um, uh, uh, um, uh, uh, and then, uh, uh, uh, uh, and Theologically, over the centuries, people have been like, well, what's the first and second heaven? And the idea has been that the first heaven is this physical plane of existence that we live in, second heaven lying in the middle ground between the two. And I feel like that's where a lot of the shenanigans are happening. And, you know, the whole idea of going through walls and the interdimensional aspects of things, I think, wind up taking place there.

And even with what you were saying earlier about, um, uh, that. making mistakes and having almost like these disagreements and stuff, that's something that I've come across not just in abduction stories and scenarios that people recall, but even long lines of dealing with, you know, entities and because, I mean, so this is so interesting. I'm really glad we're going here. The, it's interesting how people who are like yourselves being abducted and taken places, there are people who are not saying that they're being abducted, by aliens, but they're still being taken by entities to another realm, to another place. And so it makes me, as somebody who sits back and takes stories, wonder, where's the connector

here? Is there a connector here? Because they sound similar, but the subject matter is different. And so you mentioned- Are you talking about-astro-astro about-tons? Sometimes, but I've talked to people who have a very similar not like story as you guys but in the sense of like experience where I was taken but it wasn't by graze

it was this this entity or sometimes the entity appears before them as like almost like a dark human type entity demonic and I've had people talk about where they were recruited

by something to work for it in a lucid dream. So however you want to take the dream aspect, but it's in some situations, not every situation, but some of the situations, one particular that the audience is very familiar with.

If you ever want to listen to it, it's episode 692. The, it progressed to the point where this person was not just being taken in this like lucid dream state, but it was actually a physical thing that it progressed to. but not one time in that story did the idea of ET alien come up. It's like a totally different storyline, but there are similar actions, if that makes any sense.

There's a lot of things going on out there. And for you, from us to question other people's experiences. But we know our corner of this situation. And these, and it's not just one. I mean, there's the short grades. They're the tall grays. They're very hierarchical. They're like a military rank.

They're not all about equality. And the ones above them, the tall grays, are the mantis. And I have encountered mantis. I haven't. And that I recall. There's no. You hear that, Chris? One episode.

Sean doesn't believe you. I'm kidding. And they threatened to kill my dog. Okay. The mantis starting to kill my dog if I ever told anyone about him. It was pure abuser language as threatening a kid. What happened is two tall grades. We're walking me out because we're on a bigger ship, you know,

and then they're taking you back to the smaller graph, taking you back, walking down the hallway, and I look to, and I'm zoned out. I'm just following them. I'm kind of under. I'm ambulatory. I'm kind of awake. And I looked to my left against the wall.

There was a door open that was closing. And I looked in and I saw this creature like a very old and brittle grasshopper or praying mantis with the arms like this, with the serrated things. And there were two tall grays. We're helping it move to like a chair. at the throne almost. It was wearing purple robes, flowing purple roads. And it was brittle,

and it was dry. And I just saw it, and the door's fully closed, and we keep walking. And then the voice booms. And to me and to the two tall grays, bring him back here. He saw me.

And the one gray goes, oh, no, he didn't see anything. We got him on it. We got to get him back. The schedule's really tight. So, and he said,

The mantis said, he saw me. I saw through his eyes. He saw me. Bring him back here. And the two tall grays, they were trying to cover for me, you know, trying to get me out of there.

They got to bring me back. So the one lead to me, usually if there's two tall grays, one does all the coughing, the other does a lot of, you know, nodding. And he said to me, don't say a word.

Don't do not speak. Do not say anything. thing, okay? And they bring me back and into the room with a two tall grays in this crusty, dry insect thing in a purple robe and the two grays that were with me. And the match said, put him on his knees. And I thought, you know, I'm on dirt keep with me calm, but I thought, it's just a Roman movie? It's what? an abusive thing to say. Tell me on my knees.

And the grace, get on your knees. I'm on my knees, and the mantis starts looking at me and saying, and again, tell about the way. You didn't see me. You never tell anyone you saw me. Do you understand? If you tell

anyone ever that you saw me, I will kill your parents. No. No. He said, I kill your dog. What's your dog's name? And he reached into my mind, teletatically,

but it was very, very different than the gray's telepathy. It was painful. It was like he was pulling strings out of my eyes, like dental floss, just pulling it out to get it what he wanted. And he said, poochie, your dog's, name is poochie if you ever tell anyone you saw me i will kill poochie get him out of here and the gray's okay yeah he's going and as soon as we got out the door the grace had me run run to the shuttle to get out of there like let's go or yeah let's go in case he changes his mind brings me back well you know what

trusty bug do your worst my parents are dead poochie is dead so I'm going to tell everybody who will listen about you

anyway so yeah do you get the sense that there is because you mentioned about the grays and I think you said that there were other grays helping

the mantis walk or sit down. Do you think, like, obviously there's this hierarchy then. Yes. Do you, and maybe you guys have experienced this along the way, I don't know. But do you ever get the sense that there's almost like an egotistical war amongst these beings where it's like there's jockeying for position as far as like, you know, trying to prove who's more, I don't know, better?

No. No, have you ever? No. They all know their place. They all know their rank. The short race, they're terrified of screwing up, right? Yeah, they don't want to anger the tall gray. He's, uh, it's like having a boss that is a real whip cracker. He's not a guy you want to work for. And then they were subservient to the mantis of that occasion. It's very rigidly hierarchical, but they're one unit. The one thing. And one time I did, and I don't even like to mention it, because I don't buy into a lot of what they say about reptilians, but at one large event where they took my whole family,

and we get to this facility, and it's huge. And there were hundreds of optic bees once. It's almost as if they did a drill, like a fire drill. And so many, and there were two, I guess they were reptilian beings. And it was underground. The walls were raw rock, but the floors were all smooth,

this polished marble, just like an office building. They would slope and curve. These grays are not into right angles. They're not into it. There's no right angles in their ships and in this facility. Anything,

it was like a smooth-down skateboard park where there were slight bumps and curves. and in the middle was a little stream trickling by and a little footbridge like from a 1970s mall in the center of mall they had a water feature and a little bridge you could walk across and there were two, I gotta call them reptilian beings standing there tall, menacing like security

like security and I'll tell you this they were like a blackish green they were very dark green black, black, black, black, brown, In their teeth, they had teeth that looked like golf teas, you know, long, thin to a point, and they were kind of snaggly, and they had tails. They had tails.

They had opened like a toga thing, and they were carrying something, but I didn't get to see them for more than a few seconds, solidly because we get into that facility and they start taking my mother and my brothers this way. I see them across the brown of people like it was a train station. And I'm like, I go to go with them to catch up with him. They're like, no, he's like, I got to go there. This is my family.

And go, no, no, no, no, no. You're over here. You're in this line. Get in here. And they put me in a line and they paralyzed me where I stood. So I didn't cause any more trouble. To the point where you can't turn your head around, and they were right over here, these reptilians.

And I'm paralyzed, and I'm looking, I'm seeing all these people in a trance. I'm seeing a really heavyset woman in her underwear across from me. And she's just staring out. And I had never, I was still a kid who was left 10. I had never seen a woman like that. Like, she had a bra.

panties on, but I was embarrassed, and I was embarrassed for her. But she was in a trance. I'm looking at the people. That's all I can do. And all of a sudden, from behind me, like three people behind me, a guy starts to moan. He's like, oh, and he says, wait a minute, this is, this is, this. This is not a dream. This isn't a drain. This is really happening. Oh, my God. He's calling out to God.

He's screaming. Help me. Help me. And the two reptilians are chuckling. And a tall gray swoops over to him and the two reptilians. And they get this guy out of line and they carry him off that way to some branching off room or corridor. I couldn't turn to sea. Before he, you know, wakes up the herd.

That was the only time I saw reptilians, and I really didn't get to stare, and maybe that's a good thing. So when you saw it, those reptilians, what was going on around you, was that a unique situation as well, or was that something you were familiar with? It's just the reptilians were something that was a new equation to what you were experiencing. No, I didn't, they'd come for us at like 11 o'clock in the morning, and that's rare. You know, most abductions are like 8 to 10, 11. They're not in middle of the night, usually. They're evening abductions. But Sean was taken out of the car with my parents at about 9 o'clock.

And there were several, and this one was daylight when they were returning Sean in 96. in this one where they took us was daylight. And I have never remembered and another event that was that big involving that many abductees. Or I've never remembered a facility like that that I'm convinced was underground just by the rock walls,

untreated rock walls all around us. Okay, so you're saying that what you experienced there, you believe was on earth underground? I can't say. I can't say. I really can't. Because.

But he did have that impression, I guess. Yeah, I had that impression. There was a street. Was it the moon? I mean, could be? But it didn't seem like it. And there was another thing that made me think there, okay? Then I'll do it really quickly.

They were taking us in a smaller craft. mom and Sean were out of it. They were in a train. Sean was only three or four, but they took them anyway. And we're on the shuttlecraft and starts to lift up. And I'm, you know, I'm thinking, I'm curious,

and I'm kind of a way. And I said, I slip out of the chair. They put me in. It had a bar here like a, like in a roller coaster where you wouldn't fall forward now. But I slipped out. And, um, I started to come over.

I wanted to look out the window and see what the city looked like from above. And one of the two, quote, unquote, pilots, short race, one whipped around, said, this one is up. What's me doing up? And another one comes over and puts me back and sets me in my chair. And they're like, when we put you somewhere, you have to stay there for your own safety. Do you understand? I'm like, okay.

and the nice one who didn't yell at me turns he goes, what were you trying to do anyway? Like I was sneaking right up on that, you know? What are you trying to do? And I said, I've never been in a plane. I wanted to see what the city looks like from above. And he goes, oh, all right, well, well, we don't go up. He said, well, we go up a little bit, but then we go down.

And when he said that to me, the mean one said Shut up And that's the words You know I heard Shut up, what are you doing? You don't tell them that You don't tell them anything

And the nice one said Come on The kid's curious That's a good thing, right? Besides, he's not going to rub up for anything And the other one's like, well Just don't So that always

stuff with me. You know, I did remember. There are things you do remember. And usually there are moments when there's conflict or something unusual like this. So when he told me, I thought about it for a long time. We don't go up. We go down. And then suddenly on another abduction, there we are with like cave rock walls and feelings. I got to tell you, man. So one, well, I, I, I think everybody's connecting dots when you're saying that, like, the idea of U.S.Os and, you know, them going down into water and all. But what I was talking about earlier to you fits this description as well. So often I've talked to, it's got to be close to a dozen people now that I've had a similar experience to what I'm about to say to you. But there are people who talk about being in cave systems, a tunnel system.

during these experiences that they're having. And they're not telling me anything about grays. They're just talking about, I found myself walking through this cave system. And another thing that stuck out to me earlier, I'm just going to bring up. And some of this stuff is not going to make any sense to you, unless you listen to episode 692.

But you mentioned about the mantis and how they were sitting them down into a chair, and then you used the word, possibly thrown. I got that bond. So I have, at least twice now, that very word throne or throne room was used during the experiences that I'm talking to you about. And so that's what I mean. Like, it seems like there's these parallels, but we're talking about different subjects. And that's what that's what's like really kind of making my gears turn right now.

It's just like, where are these things connected? Because like, what you're talking about, what? What spawned this whole story you just shared is seeing all the other people. Like, this sounds like a human trafficking operation. Like, that's what this sounds like. This sounds like they are abducting. I mean, first of all, we agree. Adducting people not good, right?

It just seems like this isn't just a one-off where, you know, somebody kidnaps somebody else. This is an organized human trafficking situation that is happening amongst these things. If you ask me, listen, I can only, I don't like to speculate, I don't like to get over my spees,

and neither is Sean. We'd like to speak about what we know. And the only way you can judge them is by what they do and what they say. And I know this is to create hybrids, because they introduced me to a hybrid son of mine.

And not for my benefit, but for the child's best. and that was it was very interesting, it was only the one time Sean has been introduced to what he believes were some hybrid children as mom. Right?

Yeah, nobody used the term high, right? I didn't know who they, I was still relatively young. We didn't even know they were around. Yeah, it wasn't so much later. And Sean, they, like Sean. Sean's experience in mine are vastly different. You know, there's seven years between us.

Sean has got what they want. He's, first of all, very early on, Sean worked out a deal with them as a young child, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's for me, the worst part of the abduction experience was being paralyzed. It's a horrific experience. You know, wouldn't wish it on anybody.

and so I told them that. I asked them if they could not paralyze me. And they agreed to not paralyze. You just knew it's paralyzed. No, that's right. I was a child, so I used the word freeze, you know, like freeze tag. That's the way a kid would describe it, and that's what I did. I said, I don't like to be frozen, should not freeze me.

And they agreed to not do it so long as I did what they asked. we didn't have told me to do. So, then he told him, we'll give it a try. No, he just said, nothing, yeah? He just says, as long as you do what you're told. So from that point on, I wasn't paralyzed until recently. Yeah, until 20, 23. Probably because we're making a lot of noise and they're not thrilled about it.

Well, yeah, I don't know, but they did, yeah. Yeah, but so they like Sean, and I think maybe there is something about, the act of the paralysis and the heavy sedation that they didn't use on him, that allowed him to retain an awful lot of more clear memories. I have a bunch, but Sean has more. And they taught Sean how to perform acts of telekinesis, right? I'm a little, you know, I'm not, I don't envy anybody in the scene. I'm not jealous of anybody.

They never do that with me. They, Sean had, you know, talking. You're a little jealous. I am a little. This is my confession. I'm jealous that my brother got to do superpower stuff with telekinesis. And meanwhile, they're telling me, sit there. Get on your knees.

Right. So what did they tell them? If you want to hear that, yeah, sure. I was with. two aliens and another human who I know but won't name you know the other human but you won't name it is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, I know who it is, but I won't out them.

Is it somebody that people would know or is it just something that you know personally? No, somebody I know that that's not giving me consent. Got you. Do they acknowledge that you saw them? You know, they didn't deny it. Okay. They didn't deny it.

I was actually taken with this person. And so it's him and I, and behind each of us is a taller gray alien. And what they have in front of us is kind of like a shelf system, and on that are these longer rods. And on each end of them, they had what I described as fire on each end of it, but it may, looking back as an adult, it may have been some sort of like taser type device, an electric charge, which makes more sense. And they had them levitating in the air

off of the rack and spinning around like a wheel like this, like a single spoke going around. I had no idea what they wanted us to do. And it's spinning around in front of me. And after a few minutes, it kind of turns on its side and comes at me and hits me in the side of the head where the charge was, and it hurt my ear. So I asked the other person there, how do you do it? Because they had it still spinning in front of them. And without a word spoken back, the alien who was behind me touches me on the very top of my head, and I can feel an electric charge, like a direct charge, about the size of a tiny straw, narrow straw, going right down at the center of my brain. And all of a sudden, that part of my brain, I don't think, they activated it.

It felt like it was turned on for the first time in my life. I could literally feel it. It felt like it was moving. And because of it, all of a sudden, I could move this thing around the room with ease. I was spinning it around like a boomerang and spinning it around the entire room. And after a moment, they stopped it in midair. And the one behind me got a little excited and said, I've never seen anything like it. So the one.

And I could feel like he was thinking to the other one, like, this is what we've been doing this for the whole time. And the other one behind the other person turns to a. and fit says, I know like he's agreeing with him, but I can also feel in telling him to calm down. And that's all I remember that specific incident.

Yeah, this is really interesting. So it seems like with this story and this experience that you had, the it kind of really connects

this, that it's not an isolated situation either. Unless maybe, maybe, I mean, because I don't know who it was and stuff, but I'm just under the assumption that it wasn't your mom or somebody in your family, like, you know, it, it feels like there's more, I hate to even say it like this, but I feel like there's more people that are going through this than what, uh, that they want to realize it. Because, I mean, I don't know. I, Chris has gone. Chris likes to say

these aliens have been in more homes than the property brothers. People just don't know it. If we didn't have that incident 96, we'd have no idea that they've been coming in and out of our house for the last, what's it been, 60 plus years?

60 for me next year, yeah. They just walk into your house. They walk in your house like they own it. And then they walk you out like they own you because they pretty much do. and they do whatever they want with you. Sean has had these other things. He had another thing where I had to turn a box inside and out.

They were all watching him through a window, see if he could do it. What, like telepathically? Yeah, well, they don't like to explain what they want you to do. They don't even tell you what they want you to do, let alone how to do it. So they put me into a room, and I don't remember anybody saying these words, but I was under the impression they're not going to let me out until I figure this out. And I was in no real hurry. I walked in.

I remember taking my time and looking around, and it was well lit, which is unusual for the ships. Like there was light coming from the ceiling. There was light coming off the floor, and there was light coming from the walls. And I took a moment to look around, even had to peer around the corner into like a smaller area. I don't remember what was in there. But then there was a table with a box on it. And somehow I knew that they wanted me to, oh, before I even got there, they got me into the room.

There's a small window in the door. And they're all kind of like jockeying for position to look inside the, look through the window. To watch you. To watch me. And one saying, Is he going to do it? The other one says, can he do it?

And the third one says, he'll do it real confidently. And I looked over, saw a table, it had a box on it. And somehow I knew that I'm supposed to turn the box inside out using my mind. And I'm standing there for a moment. I'm trying to think, well, I'm going to do this. I'm trying to think, where can I fold it, fold it inside out? and then eventually I just realized what you do is you simply reverse the actual side. You don't twist it or turn it at all.

You just take the inside of the top of the box and change the molecules around so that the light, the colors change on the actual surface. So you're just moving the top of the side to the bottom of the side to the bottom of the, the side and the bottom to the top kind of morphing into each other, past each other. So now the dark side is on the top instead of the light. And you just do it on all the sides and all of a sudden the boxes inside out. I don't really know how it works. I just did it.

Yeah. Both my pay grade. They never had me doing a lot of that kind of thing. But they liked Sean. They had a very good relationship with them. and they showed him how to do things. And they did take me to a school. It was like an old-fashioned schoolhouse,

kind of like you see on the show Little House on the Prairie. It's probably, you know, before your time. No, like a one-room schoolhouse? I remember Little House and Prairie, man. It was exactly like that. And it's in the middle of the woods. And it's great big, tall trees there. And I was thinking to myself, boy, it seems kind of bright.

for such tall trees you think they'd be blocking more of the sun's light. And I remember, we went into it. I was with just one alien, and we went into the side door, and there were a whole bunch of kids in the room sitting at desks, just like a classroom. And they were quite unruly, like a classroom that's got a substitute teacher for the day. Kids are all just talking to each other loudly, a little bit, you know, not doing anything wrong,

but not paying attention either, not well-behaved. And the one introduced me to the teacher, who I believe was a female, the only time I ever saw, what I would say was a female alien. And I asked what it was. They told me it was school,

and I was a kid, and I hated school. So I said, but I already go to school in protest. And he just said, This is secret school. And so I had to stay and pay attention. And I don't really remember much that went on there other than we'd move the desks around to be in like a circle to be facing each other.

And I don't remember what was discussed beyond that. You recall the sex of the alien. Do you recall male aliens mostly or are they usually sexless? Yeah, and if they appear to be, I don't see any genitalia or anything like that. You can tell there. But, you know, they talk and sound. More masculine. Yeah.

I, too, only saw a female once, and it was when they introduced me to my hybrid kid, but you can just tell. And they did take, now that they were talking about it, they did take me to a classroom once, too. But it was clearly on a bigger ship. I just kind of come to, you know, I don't remember how I got there or whatever. And I'm in, it's like a classroom with kids. tables and desks, white, tables and desks,

and there's a, the one wall is just a giant window. And we're in space because I'm looking at one quarter of the earth, just a lower quarter, lower. That's all irrelevant in space, but I'm looking at

one quarter. And I walk over to the window and I'm looking at it. And all the other kids were yelling and laughing and kind of throwing things and arguing loudly and petulantly with each other like they were drunk, you know, like they were drunk. Every other kid in there. But I had walked over to the window and I'm looking at, and it was in shadow most of it,

what I could see the corridor. And I'm trying to look and see, can I recognize a continent? You know, because I could see the way it was spinning. but it was a lot of clouds, a lot of clouds, and you could see brown, and then you could see ocean. I'm just looking at it, and there was one tall gray in this room, and he walks over, and he's standing next to me, and this is one of the, this is one of the only times. They had talked to me like an individual, and he said to me, what do you think? think or something like that.

You know, about looking at the earth from the perspective. I said it's wild. It's beautiful. Something like that. It's amazing. I think I might have said. And he said, let me show me something. And he had like a tablet in his hand. But it was just clear, you know.

And all of a sudden, an image comes on it. And there was a cartoon, like, just a cartoon, of the earth and it splits into there's like explosions and the earth splits

into like in a cartoonish way one half this way one a half and he said this is why we're here but this is what we are trying to prevent and I said some stupid thing like, oh, great.

You know what I did? What am I saying to that? But I was more just enrapped in understanding and listening to him. And that was one of the few times they spoke to me like a person. And I don't remember leaving that scene. In this instance, it's not the heads and tails I remember. It was that significant moment. And I believe he raised me up out of sedation to talk to me like that.

So that's probably why I remember it better. Sedation to them, it looks like a thermostat in your house. They can raise it and they can lower it with no effort. And the other instance was when they introduced me to a hyper child. That, I think, was the most important, gosh, you know, one of the big moments of my life. I don't have kids. and part of it is because I didn't want this to happen to kids. But anyway, if I could tell you about this,

because it reveals a good deal. Please. It really does. I was 16. May, it was 1979. I was like a sophomore in high school. Okay. So the grays are walking me back from, you know, wherever I was,

if I was on a table and completely out or whatever they were doing to me. So they raise it up so I can walk with them, walking with them. And they just, first of all, there's a lot of, I'll tell you this. Not everyone is going to tell you this. There is a heck of a lot of walking during an abduction. Bring your sneakers because they walk from one part of the ship or installation to the other and they walk it over here. And they move in a cliff.

You know what? That's why they remain so thin. It's all the cardio they're getting. So they walk you all over and they're walking me to more, at first, there's all kinds of abductees. There's all kinds of grays all around, milling, about this way, going that way, like a hospital facility. You know, people go in there, people go in there. But they start walking me to a more remote area where it's darker. and pretty soon we haven't seen anybody else for a while.

And they raised me up on a sedation considerably more, not make me fully alert, so I grabbed them by the throat and scream. And one of them turns to me and says, we're in this remote part of the ship now. I see some dusty equipment. The top half of the room is not lit. The hallways are tightly curved, like with the center or something. and there's just one other hallway curving off of it into darkness.

And the one gray says to me, Hey, just like that. Hey, you know what, we've got a few minutes before we have to get you back. We were wondering, would you do us a favor? Just like that, like a friend buttering you up. they are really, they understand, they're so powerful, they're able to reach into your head and understand idiom and cliche and phrase and all kinds of language tricks to be so realistic. And I said, sure, not even knowing what it was. What's the favor? I said. Well, somebody wants to meet you.

And I said, oh, great. Bring them in. who wants to meet me? Because I'm thinking, you know, nobody on earth wants to make me. So, hey, Ray, somebody wants to make me. Brick, come on this is great. What's me? I said, who wants to meet me?

And the one where you talks, there's two of them, you know, one's like, he goes, well, and that's the word they use a lot. And they use it the way we use it. He goes, well, he's one that we made from you. And he's great. He's just great. We think he's so great. He's smart and he's funny.

And I love that. You know, I'm a comedian. And he's funny, and he lives in his work group. He lifts everybody else. He doesn't tear anybody down. And he makes the work fun for everybody. and we just really like him. And this is the closest I ever felt to them feeling love.

They really liked the kidney. And they said, we always try to reward him. But every time we do, we ask him, what do you want? How can we reward him? And he always asks the same thing. He says he wants to meet his Earth Dad. But, you know, it sounds like a bad Bill Cosby movie from the 1970s or something. You know, that's the praise they abused in my head.

And they said we told them so many times, no, we don't do that, we can't do that. What else would you like? And he says, nothing. That's what I want. So this time, we said yes. and since you agreed to it, which they would have made me agree to it if I, either way,

we're going to let you mean. It's just for a minute or two. All right? They said, sure, not really comprehending. You know, within 30 seconds, we went from me being sedated and being brought home to being told I have offspring,

one that actually wants to meet me. And how are you at the point? I'm 16. 16. Does it matter if you've already gone through it or not, or can they reproduce with children? Well,

you know, I was having girlfriends at 16, man. Well, I mean, like, if they abducted you as, like, a five-year-old,

would they be able to use you to make clothes? I would doubt it, right? But if they took me at 11, it's a different story. Sure. And that's five years from where I was.

You know, I was, it was the summers. Oh, 79, so I was getting close to another year older. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know if they can't. I would imagine, no doctor. I'm no endocrinologist, but this is what they wanted to do, and I was 17. And I said, okay, and they go, all right, listen, before we bring him out,

he's not going to look like you. They're telling me, you're going to think he looks strange. you're going to think he looks weird, but you cannot think that. If you think, if he comes out and you think he looks odd or strange or weird, he is like us, and he is going to hear you, and he will be crushed. He will be devastated because he is really looking forward to meeting you,

And if you think he looks weird, it's going to hurt him in a big way. They said, do you understand? And I'm like, yeah, sure, don't think he looks weird. And he said, seriously, listen, we are going to be in there with you. And maybe not in the room, but in my head. They said, we're going to be in there with you trying to make sure you don't think he looks weird. But we can't do it just by ourselves. You have to not think he looks.

looks weird. Do you hear me? And I'm like, yeah. No. Are you listening? Do you, you got it? That's what he said. You got it? They were very serious. I'm like, I got it. Don't think he looks weird. Okay. And they go, okay. And they say, all right, bring them out. And just at that moment, a female one, like, I don't know, a nurse or his teacher brings out this. hybrid kid out of the shadows and right in front of me. And I'm looking at him, and I don't think he looks weird. You know, thanks to everybody's help in my head, I thought he was adorable. I thought he was so special. And I could feel his emotions coming off him.

And he was beaming so strong. We haven't spoken yet. Beaming these emotions, and it was love. It was fear. And it was nervousness. But it was mostly love. You know, to them, we're animals, we're gorillas, were dangerous, violent brutes.

So they'd probably given all these warnings about me, you know. But then we got face to face with this kid, and nobody, two minutes ago I didn't know I had a kid, and nobody told me what to say to him. And they're not letting me out of sedation to the point where I can really say what I, you know, speak well to him, so I don't know what to say. So I'm ashamed to say, I small talk then first. I'm like, hey, how were you? You know, and oh, and what I think, here's, I'll tell you what he looked like, right?

impression of him was he looked like Charlie Brown. Now, these short little legs, little torso and little arms, and a big round head. And on top of that, well, he was pink. He wasn't gray. And he was almost bald. He had a couple of hairs on the top. And he had one, like Charlie Brown, he had this forelock of hair right here. But it was my color hair. And I thought he looked like me. In a lot of ways, his eyes, his nose, there were all my mother's kind of features.

And here's another, here's a little tiny detail, his eyes. Big black iris, of course, or the retina. But there was a ring of brown, the iris round, like my color. And just at the two corners were whites. So that there were whites to its eyes. just not as prevalent as ours. So he was really kind of halfway in between. So I said, hey, small talking.

What am I saying to this kid? They say you're doing great and your school and everybody likes you. So, you know, good for you. I think that's great. And the kid just looked at me and he pointed at my chest. And he said, who are they? are they family to you? And he was really asking,

are they family to me too? Because I had four faces on my shirt. And I looked down and it was it was my favorite shirt at the time. It was a silk screen print of the Beatles. And there's the four Beatles faces and profile from like 1969. And I said, oh, no, they're not family.

they're the Beatles and I love them you know they're they're musicians do you have you heard the Beatles I said stupidly and the kid looks a little confused and I said well what kind of music do you listen to and then I'm trying to find common ground I'm like I was big into comic books do you like comic books

do you like movies and the kid is kind of like wrinkling his forehead. It was confused. And at this point, they're moving in to break us apart. They don't like where this is going. I'm asking, and the kid is getting confused. The nurse moves in close to him. And my graze are like over my shoulders, like we were two dogs that weren't getting along at the dog park, and they're ready to just separate them. And I know I've only got a second to say something to this kid that I'm trying to. to actually reach

to say something that means something. And I said to him, what do you like to do in your spare time? What do you do for fun? And at that point, the aliens went, no, whoa, well, okay, this was great, so long. Get him out of here, you'll come this way.

All right. And I can hear the kid's thoughts, as he's saying to the teacher or nurse. What were those things he was talking about? What did he mean? And he was confused, and I could hear, as they're getting further away, the teacher saying, oh, we told you, they don't make any sense. They're animals.

Just don't worry about it. And the grays that were with me, they were furious with me. They liked this kid. They might even love this kid. But they were not happy. Well, you know what? Give me a little more heads up than a minute. Think of what to say to it did.

And I was young, and I was sedated. So I said to them, well, that went pretty good. Right? And the one gray said to me, yeah, yeah, great job, great job. Completely sarcastically. Dave, I know the Grays are capable of sarcasm,

because that's what he said. Yeah, yeah, great job, great job, just shaking his head. And I, for many years, and they never let me near him again. They never mentioned him. And never let me near him. And for a lot of years, I got to tell you,

for a lot of years, I bore an enormous guilt that I had said the wrong. things that I had lost any chance. I don't know. Further contact with a kid that I could see was my, despite his, you know, Charles Schultz's appearance. He was adorable and he was beautiful. And I blamed myself for years, but years.

But eventually, I mean, recently, I came to the conclusion that, What I said to that kid was exactly what he needed to hear. What do you do for fun? What do you like to do for fun? What do you like to do in your spare time? Because I don't think they have spare time. I think they work these things.

They're insect-like and their hive mind. They're not concerned with individuals doing things. They're concerned with the work. Get your work done. Do this. Learn work. And I brought, and I told him there was, he should be having fun, that he should be allowed to have interests of his own and pursue them when he's not working. That he deserves that, that we all deserve interests and freedom to pursue them. I'm glad, I said what I said.

I hope it didn't get him in trouble, but it's what a kid needs to hear. Not congratulations on making your work quota and being a spectacular employee of the, you know, the giant Grasshopper Corporation. You deserve fun. And I wish that for him.

I don't know. It was 1979. I don't know. He's still alive. I don't know. I don't know how many they made for me, but they love this kid. And they were disappointed in me, but too bad. I think they said the right things.

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but there seems to be like a distinguishing environment that sometimes you're on a craft and sometimes you're not on a craft. Like, for instance, the schoolhouse. I'm assuming that wasn't on a craft. Is that right? I kind of think it was. I don't know.

I mean, it seemed like it was real words to me, but who's to say? You also said the lighting was all wrong. Yeah, it's, though I was suspicious as a lighting for some reason. So I can't say for sure where I was. I don't know. Most of the time, go ahead.

They've had you do military exercises under an artificial night sky. Correct? Yeah, it seemed... A team of gray versus another team of grayes that you were helping one side? Yeah, it seemed, you know, again, I don't know if it was real woods or not,

but it's, that seemed like it was a simulation of some sort. But I can't. say for sure. Apparently they're ripping off the card years of Star Trek with whatever that room was or they went to with a hologram. Holodakion. So we don't know. I don't know. I know what I saw when I saw the Earth in that classroom, it seemed like it was on a ship because I'm looking at space and there's no other. It was so black, but the whole thing could have been a screen, you know, a real, like a fancy screen like they have today, high-deaf and everything.

I was predated, so it's possible. But I've only been here on Earth at home or wherever they took them from on a smaller ship to a bigger ship, on the ship, and then at one time at least to a, what I think was an underground facility. They don't, I think that's all locations. often though you know they'll come to your room and do what they have to do to get there especially as i got older like 17 18 they would come to my bedroom the bedroom they returned him to because i was still living at home and he had a bedroom upstairs and um i'm like all right

we going and they're like no well i think we can do this right here and they just start doing things i don't know what you go under a little bit more like measurements or I remember a couple things they did in the bedroom to May, one of which was take a skin sample off my face here, and the other was put an implant up my right nostril. They put an implant up my right nostril, a couple years before he was born. Yeah. Do you both feel like you still have those implants? Well, as for me, I don't. because many years later, I was in a serious car accident.

They did a lot of x-rays of my face and skull, and there was nothing there. But this was, as I say, about 68, and what happened was I was in my room, the same room they usually take me out of, but I'm in my little chair, and there are three of them leaning over me, and I came too because the pain was so intense.

That's the only time I've woken up during procedures. It's because the pain, they don't give you drugs. They just use their thing to feel it. So that one time, and they're doing something up my nose, a couple of them. They go, he's up, he's awake. One of them comes around, got it, and they kind of sedate me a little more. And then they're done. And they said,

they're walking out and I'm like, you know, this. And the last one turns to me and goes, oh, and don't try to get that out of there because you could kill yourself. I was five, six. And you're seriously telling a child not to put his finger in his house? Is that? You think that's, they often misjudge, you know, if kids are capable of taking seriously.

But the next morning, I wake up with a terrible nosebleed. And I call for my mom, you know, mom. And she blocks, pinches it, tilts my head back. She goes, this is so strange. Your father and I woke up with nosebleeds today. And I'm like, I know why. And then we shared the house with other relatives.

My aunt had inherited it and let relatives move in and fame rat. And my uncle and my aunt, they came over for coffee with my parents a little while. later and they said, well, we woke up with nose bleats today. Oh. And my mother will probably do better, said, well, it's so dry in here. We should get a, we should get a humidifier. It's probably so dry. That's why we all, all five of us woke up with nose plates. So you, you're, so that whole situation then, uh, is basically marking that it's not just your mom and you guys. It's, it's everybody in the family. It's just your

mom remembers like you guys. Yeah, well, we never really spoke to, but that uncle turned into a real maga guy, and we just didn't talk to him. We're still out there, you know, but my dad campaigned for Robert Kennedy. And it was that month that Robert Kennedy was killed.

My dad got to meet him three times, working on his campaign. He came to Saratoga. He came to Glen's fault. and came to Skidmore College. So they were crushed my parents. They were big Kennedy people. But anyway, we never talked to my uncle about that since. And it's been 50 years.

We were contacted. Well, you know, we love them. He's family. But, yeah, on that day, I remember it was five of us in the building. In fact, all five of us. That was it in that building, in that house at 156 Spring Street. a couple of years before the moon lantern, which I watch, you know, in that house.

So, yeah, I mean, I tend to think it means they did the same thing to everyone else's made on that occasion. But I don't like to guess, but that's exactly what it seemed. You mentioned about the earth that you were looking at, and you weren't sure if it was a screen or one. what, but you saw the earth and it split, right? Almost like a cartoon. He said, right? I was looking at the earth in reality through this window, the real earth. And then he came over to talk to me, the tall gray, and he lifted me out of sedation to really speak to me. And he says,

here, look at this. He's like, it's beautiful, right? I'm like, yeah, beautiful. Then he goes, come over here with me. And he had a little tablet, almost like a clipboard, but it was just clear plastic, same dimensions. And he goes, look at this. And when he held it, a little animation came on, like a Saturday morning, like Schoolhouse Rock animation.

And it was a picture of the Earth with a black background and a couple cartoon stars around it. And, you know, a very American-centric picture of the Earth, you know, North America, South America. What we recognize. And then the

thing split at the equator with an explosion. There was no sound coming from the tablet, but there are whole explosion lines coming out and explosion clouds red as the earth was split into two. And he said, this is why we're here.

And I'm thinking, to do that? You know, but he goes, this is why we're here to prevent this from happening. That's why we're here. But, you know, they lie. sure but maybe maybe I believe it because I find it

I find it interest when you said that I had to look it up because I knew I recognized it in the book of Isaiah chapter 24 verse 19 and 20 it says the earth this is a prophecy of the apocalypse of the destruction of the earth to then be rebuilt

it says the earth is utterly broken the earth is split apart the earth is violently shaken the earth staggers like a drunken man it all it it it sways like a hut it transgress lies heavily upon it and it falls and will not rise again

and I just thought the the imagery that you use there split and this this prophecy of the apocalypse talking about the earth splitting it it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's interesting but I'm not and like I've already established

I don't really, I don't find these grays and these guys as the good guys in this situation. You know, they're kidnapping people. And so, and from my taking that and then from my theological perspective, hey, I get it. You don't want the earth to be split because this is the playground you've been on for millennia. And you're trying to prevent this whole apocalyptic scene that's been prophesied about from happening. I find that interesting. Have you guys ever come across the whole idea of human hybrids with Genesis 6 and the Nephilim? We're not a religious family.

My dad was raised in Catholic school, and they beat him brutally, physically, for asking questions. So he made, my name was supposed to be Christian. And my dad said, there is no way that my kid is. going to be named Christian. And my mom said, well, I don't like Christopher. So my name is just Chris. Oh, so so Chris isn't short for anything. It's just Chris. It is just Chris. It's just compromised. My dad used to say, well, and my mother was more religious than that, but and my dad used to say, we're only, in my household, we're only kind of religious. Like, we believe Jesus walked on the water, but we believe it was winter at the time, which

which would mean he's walking on ice. Yeah. That's what he used to joke. So I haven't really done that. Let me just tell you, though, because I find it interesting, this hybrid stuff that you're talking about. These are things that, you know, like I've talked about in the show for eight years now. My fourth episode was about this thing called the Nephilim. And basically what this story is is that there were, there were.

You never remember the offspring of the seraphim who came down and took the wives of men. Right. The fallen angels cohabitating and creating human hybrids. And it's just something that like, it's just over and over and over again, something that's been talked about throughout human history, this hybrid concept happening between human beings and this other species of beings. Yes. And, you know, depending on which Bible version,

you're reading, the terminology is very different. And King James, I believe they're called these Nephilim, were the heroes of old. They were the men of renown. And the people have said that Charlemagne was towards the last of the Nephlam. And I have a friend in France, and he says, do you know what percentage of the population of France is partially a descendant of Charlemagne?

I'm like, I don't know, 17, 80%. Whoa. That's what I said, and he goes, there's articles on it now, I'm there. But, yeah, the hybridization, I mean, that's for a reason, and I think, I'm much more nuts and bolts. These things are very territorial. They're like an ant colony or a beehive. They acquire territory. They acquire resources.

And we are their main resource of interest. But Tall Grace have said to me on a couple of occasions, very proudly. And this was their quote to me, Soon we will all live here together, and everyone will know his place. And I heard that over the course of years. And it's weird enough that we're all going to live here together. But when he says, and everyone will know. his place.

Well, I know where our places, and that is at the bottom of the ladder, the low man on the totem pole, where we're not even control of our minds. You know, I've risen when people call us experiencers, because

you know, that's the love and light crew. You know, that's the people in the desert summoning things. We were abducted, you know, and we're not more of an experienceder than the Lindberg baby, you know? He was kidnapped. We were kidnapped. They show up on ships. They kidnap you, and they exploit your genetics to create beings that are them that look like us,

that can hide among us. They're at a point where hybrids look very human, passable. And I believe this is an invasion. They're taking this world. There's nothing that they've done to dissuade me from that. If they came to help, they certainly haven't fixed the environment, it's worse and worse. Overpopulation is worse. The seas are being far into extinction. And they've done nothing about it. What have they done? They've kidnapped a lot of toddlers. They've kidnapped a lot of kids and controlled their minds to do what they want and a breeding program to create beings that are part of us and mostly them can live here. And we're going to live here together. and we'll know our place,

which is the only beings in the chain who don't have telepathic powers or patrol against them. When I said, I was looking for another word, besides upductee or experiencer, and I thought about, well, how about a unwilling employee

because they put you to work, or a, you know, forced friend. Slade. What did you say? A part-time slave. slave. Yeah. And at least slaves can know they're angry about what they're forced to do, but you're not.

They make you do it and be happy for it. So that's what I see happening. And I don't think it's, with these particular aliens, I think it started in the atomic age. If they're interdimensional, here I am going to speculate for a moment. it's very possible that our atomic detonations, which were by a magnitude, higher temperatures than the sun, might have affected other dimensions that we're connected to. So these beings come here and decide to put an end to that. And you know the interest they have in our nuclear facilities.

They've turned missile silos off. They've turned them on and started launch sequences. they're always monitoring our Air Force and military bases. And so I think this hybridization program is relatively new because if it's been going on for thousands of years, the kid they made for me would have looked a lot more human. This was about halfway through. Like he was first generation, I think, or second.

So I think it started then, and that's when all these abductions started. in the post-war era, you know, and they started flying over the White House in 1953. They were over at O'Hare Airport in 2006. I think this is a very contemporary point of contact, where they're quickly, by their scale, moving forward with the beings that can control us, replace us, maybe to stop damage for their dimension. I had to attach a benign motive or a positive one to what they do.

But I think they're Columbus, and we are the Native Americans. That's what I think. And the real reason the government will never tell you, there's so many. I mean, what are they going to do, get on and say, hey, you know, aliens are kidnapping your kids and you and breeding you. There's nothing we can do to stop them. It's a foolish move to disclose that. But the depressing thing about this is if I'm right, and the way they treat us is through secrecy and power and control, is that the sad thing is we always think that space aliens are going to be better than us because they're smarter than us, and they'll be, you know, here to help.

But it looks like the rules that we have down here might be the same as the rules. you know, up there. And that is that the strong take from the weak. They do what they want because they are strong.

And they certainly regard us from a position of strength and ours being a position of weakness. And I think that is just the worst moves that there could ever be. So, you know, I hope I'm wrong. And they treated John pretty well.

So, you know, this is just my perspective. Sean. But they have told me they're going to live here and we'll know our place. I want to, before, because before we wind this down, though, several times throughout this conversation, Sean has mentioned about the most recent 2003 abduction that you went through, which was different in the sense that you, what was it, that you were sedated or something like that? I was paralyzed.

You're paralyzed. Could you tell us what happened? Sure. It's certainly not the most interesting event, but I was in this current house that I'm in now, and I was just asleep, and I woke up, and I couldn't move my right arm. I was trying to move my right arm, and I couldn't. And then I tried moving my left arm, and I couldn't. And I started to sit up, and I couldn't.

sit up. And the first thing I thought was, oh my God, I had some medical event. I had a stroke or something like that. How long is it going to take somebody to come find me like this? And after a moment, I noticed like a light at the foot of the bed. And then I noticed two beings off to my right side, or excuse me, on each side, one off to the right, one off to the left. And it clicked on, it clicked to me that this was an alien abduction. And what I thought in my head was, oh, thank God, this is just an alien abduction, you know, because I know they're going to bring me back. I'm going to be fine. I didn't suffer a medical event where I'm now paralyzed because it was, It was scary.

That's what the first thing I had on my mind was this is a medical event and I'm never going to be able to move properly again. It was terrifying. So I was relieved when I noticed they were aliens there. It's kind of thing. Talk about a- This is just an alien of doctor. Yeah. Talk about a warped life you guys have lived.

Yeah. And it, you know, it was the first time they had paralyzed me since I had requested that they had. that I remember, you know, they can come and get you at any point, and I still probably wouldn't remember it. You know, when you hit our age and suddenly paralyzed, your thought is, uh-oh, stroke, right? That's exactly what I thought. Oh, it's just some grace. Thank God.

I've been through this before. We can make this work. Yeah. Well, you're fine at the end. You know, they always return me. Thankfully, you know, it's the one thing I can say. love to thank them for bringing me home, not for taking me, but making sure I made it home. You could have done anything they wanted with me, and I'm thankful I got to live my life somewhat normally.

I asked them once, you say that. I said, why do you always make us forget, you know, because it's always a shock, and the guy, the alien, said to me, oh, we want you to live a normal life. But you can't live a normal life if you know what we've done. So, and I was like, yeah, all right, well, maybe. But at the same time, I was thinking, plus, if you don't know, you can't go tell anybody. You can't make trouble for what we're doing. But I did it, you know, knowing what we know, it's a little hard. Even at this age to balance it with a normal life. I can't watch

movies about aliens because they're so bad. There's some reason in movies now, aliens are all snarling beasts. Have you noticed that? They got claws and they're drooling. They came here in these advanced spaceships, but they just drool and snarl a lot.

One thing about these aliens, I will say. I've seen it like a tall gray walk towards us and his bearing was regal. he looked around and he knew that everything that he could see around him, he was in control of. And he didn't slink or sneak up to the car, you know, tug at the handle. No, he walked like Julius Caesar and told us what to do and we did it.

And in that one moment, there's something a very humbling to look at a being and something in you, your instincts say. that is better than us. That's superior. They are more powerful than we are. But they're kind of civilized. Even though what they're doing, I think, is quite bad. They're very polite, some of them, professional. They don't have to talk to you at all, you know, but they do. They'll have conversations. They'll answer questions. So they could be a lot worse. Yeah. It's very strange. I can't. Look, what I say, I'm a doom and gloomer. I make a lot of noise and everybody hates me in these spaces because I'm sounding, what I'm trying to do with all this coming public, I'm sounding an alarm. The kids are being taken and abused in families forced to reproduce against their will again and again over decades.

And nobody, generations. And everybody else is out in the desert with flashlights and singing kumbai. how about stopping these things. I don't know how, but be aware this is what they're doing, and they told me they're moving in. Nobody likes what I have to say. Nobody likes the sound of an alarm clock.

But I'd rather be awake. Yeah, I've noticed that too where, you know, when I was a kid, I don't remember when it came out, but Independence Day, you know, with Will Smith. a scene in that movie is the one kind of portrayed crazy lady. She gets so fascinated by this alien invasion. She runs to the top of the roof.

And she joins a party of people who are excited to be partying underneath this alien spaceship. Like, they wanted to be taken. And I remember watching that. You might even have a sign say, take me or something. Yeah, exactly. And I remember watching that and thinking to myself back then, Like, yeah, right. Like, there is nobody that would ever want to put themselves in a position to be abducted

like that. And that's before I even think, thought about this stuff the way I do now. And here we are now. They're like, you know, hey, we're having a group go out. And we're going to call in these things. And, you know, if we're lucky, I'm just like, you guys are crazy. Like, the other character in that movie is the drunk dad. And I'll quote him, we need to get as far away from these things as we can.

You know, like, we just need to go. And that's how I feel. We speak to people all the time who say, how do I get abducted? I want to be abducted. Yeah, well, first thing, make sure your mom was abducted, you know, because that's the only reason they take us. They follow you through generations. They eject one little girl.

Next thing you know, they abduct three offspring. And then if we all had kids, they would abduct them. So they're increasing their sphere of influence with every generation. But, yeah, there are people telling me how bad they wanted to be abduct. For the future, let's hope it's Sean's and not mine. They taught him how to do things. They tried to advance him. Why would they spend so much effort and energy and answering questions and teaching me things if they're here just to conquer?

So I don't know. I don't have the answers. They never told me. I don't know. All right. I agree with them. I got one final question for you guys, and this is like a concluding question. Sure.

You guys come out and you start talking about this stuff. What has been the everyday life social reaction to this, especially Sean, as somebody who's a former retired police officer, are you in communication with people that you used to work with? I mean, do they think that you've lost it like your brother did when you first told him that you were taken too? I haven't really had any discussions with them about it. I don't really see any of them. Okay.

I don't see anything good coming from it. Nobody's going to, you know, it was, when I started talking about this in 96, it was if there have been other reports in our city, though, of UFOs. There was when I was working there, there was a woman who called and was reporting UFOs landing in her backyard, and they took a report from her. And two other officers from my department, each took photographs of UFOs. one while he was working, one was off duty. And they never reported it, of course, because you don't want to lose your career and your pension that you've worked so hard for.

There was a crop circle here around 99, 2000, right in town. Wow. And it's connected to UFOs because that night, when it was formed as a cornfield, there's a lot. Corn here. A woman who had a newborn was breastfeeding,

and she got up in the middle of the night and sat in a rocking chair by the window. And she heard this sound. She said it sounded like a harmonica being played backwards. And she looks out, and there was just over the crotch was a flying saucer. And she reported that, and then they discovered this crop circle the next day. So there's a lot of activity here. But I don't talk to friends.

But most you're going to get out, you know, friends is, I believe that you believe. You know what I mean? But at this point, a lot of people can tell we are absolutely serious and wherever we are. But, yeah, that's just the way it is. However, I had a girlfriend who was very tolerant. At that point, I was going out with a camcorder every night and taking footage of anything weird. Because I had a craft all over my head in 99. I said, I'm never going to be without a camera again.

so I dusted off my mom's old camcorder that was, you know, like in a covered, covered with dust. And I, where are you going with that? I'll be back. I'm taking UFOs. And I ended up getting some footage. And it ended up on our local CBS affiliate where they declared it to be convincing evidence. And that night, CBS News overnight, January 10th, 2000, ran my interview and my footage, where they declared it to be convincing evidence.

So, yeah. So we're just at peace with it, and we don't bring it up to friends. I'm grateful for social media because you're able to, you know, 90% of people hate me. I think what I understand the way I say it. That's what I'm really mad at.

You know, you're not apologetic. You're too bombastic. Like you know. And that's another thing that's going wrong in this field. like, well, let's just agree that nobody knows anything about the UFOs. And everyone gets like, yeah, that's good. Let's all agree to that. Now, some people do.

And we're the people they should be turning to for answers. You look at Grush and Lou and Barber and Greer. The experts, not one of them has ever seen anything. They haven't seen a flying saucer at a relatively close distance. to see details? They've never Barclains to. Oh, does it?

All right. Well, he was the helicopter pilot. Was it an egg? Yeah. Was it the egg place that we all love so much? Okay. But the rest of them, I've never seen anything. Admittedly say that we've seen it.

Those are the biggest voices. There's other voices out there who are popular, who have never seen anything. Yeah. Grush is like, it is testifying for four Congress as an expert, He's like, I know a guy whose wife has a hairdresser and her husband knew somebody from the joint chief of staff because he cuts the lawn. He says it's all real. They're like, wow, Mr. Grush, can we quote you on AP?

And we sat there and we watched these experts have never been face to face with an alien. They've never felt the intrusive telepathy, the mind control. They've never been introduced to hybrids. They've never performed telekinesis. They've never seen or done. anything, and they're the experts. And in fact, those congressional hearings were one of the motivating factors for us saying, enough is enough.

We are the experts. We have more information to offer than these so-called whistleblowers, Lou Elisando, with pictures of a mowed lawn. Oh, look, it's a flying saucer. Are you kidding me? If that's what this guy is passing off as a disclosure, then you're going to say, Get a new hobby. Get a new job. Leave it to those of us who know what we're talking about. And it's not just me and him. Of course, it's thousands of people that have done this in our case for more than half a century now.

So, spite, that is the reason. People say, why are we coming forward? Despite, we are tired of experts who are not experts, saying they are experts and being lauded as experts. There's a new God, Brown, his name is, well, he's a hero of. because he once saw a photograph of a triangle. He's worried for his life. They're going to kill him because he talked about a photo. He saw the triangle. Dude, they were giving us a parking ticket.

They're not, it just bothers us. It does, not just for us. But for all the other abductees like Fringe and Amy and Hiker Girl. I could go on and on and on, AJ. at 369 that have very legitimate convincing stories, some of them including military, you know, being in the military

at the time of these sight. They have so much to say, nobody cares. We're just turning to people who are digging through like German files from 1932 to try to prove the kids are being taken today. Focus on the aliens. Stop, and they all just want to hate on the government.

They're not mad. They're mad. If you're more mad at the government for not telling you that aliens are abducting people, then you are at the aliens who are abducting people. You got your priorities wrong. Everybody loves to hate the government for keeping it quiet, but it's very good they did.

So I think not telling people is the right move. And I think it still is, not until we can do something about. Yeah, like we agree on that. Yeah. The government's doing the right thing by keeping it quiet. People don't want to hear it. Yeah.

And I don't want to hear it. Right. People on Twitter want to hear it. But your grandmother, at 93, doesn't want to know. And neither does your little five-year-old, you know, your children. They don't need to know this right now. They could find out some other way. We don't need, you know, a press conference by the president at prime time going,

hey, that's the news for you. You know what I mean? My son's seven-year-old and he asked me questions. And I'm just like, I'm terrible. That's why I'm glad my wife is here because he'll be like, daddy, or, I don't know, Are aliens real? I'm like, yeah. And my wife would be like, oh, well, you know, actually, you know, I'm sure he, he's probably

one of those kids at school that will say, my dad says, and oh, boy, here we go. I know his school, he told a school teacher that, because I tell him he's not allowed to listen my show until he's an adult. And he said to his school teacher, because I guess she was asking kids what their parents do. and she asked him and he said, my dad, he's a podcaster, but you're not allowed to listen to the show until you're 21. Yeah. And she's like, okay. But then she asked him what the podcast was.

And, you know, I'm like, oh, man, she's going to look me up. So anyways, listen, fellas, I appreciate it coming on and sharing. Thanks for having us. Thank you for giving us so much time. For sure, for sure. I could go. Important things. I think we could go definitely longer.

I have to wrap it up in here because I have to go pick up my son from school. So. Fantastic. But I appreciate you guys hopping on with me and I'm sure we'll talk again. Okay. We appreciate you. So many thank you. And, you know, our hopes of praise are with you guys.

Thank you. And just thanks. And it's great to meet you.