The Confessionals - 772: The Devil Deals In Downloads

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

When Isaiah Robin posted a reaction video to Tony’s explosive interview with Nathan Reynolds, neither of them knew it would spark a powerful connection, one that would lead to this in-studio conversation you won’t forget.What begins as two bold voices connecting over shared convictions quickly dives into a gripping testimony of music industry deception, spiritual warfare, and a supernatural encounter that flipped Isaiah’s life overnight. From Hollywood rituals to demonic manifestations, no topic is off-limits as they expose the battle raging in both entertainment and the church.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZGet your ticket for the NEW documentary premiering July 27, 2025 @ 8PM EST: "The Meadow Project"Ticket link HERE: moment.co/themeadowprojectMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Robin: YouTube | Instagram MAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ImposterYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, I want to give you an update of my wife. If you don't know, she is battling breast cancer. She has been for a couple months now, I'd say, two, three months. And though she's still in the middle of it, we definitely need your prayers. Please continue to pray for my wife and complete healing in the name of Jesus. I do want to let you know a progress report, which is that the tumor that was in her neck, she no longer can feel. It had shrunken down, and now she can't even feel it in her neck. So it's definitely going away. Praise God.

Prayers are working. Please continue to pray for Lindsay in complete healing in Jesus' name. Merkel. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers,

reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappeared. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave, and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant.

Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitate him. Closer, got closer, that's got sparse,

when he goes out. Feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small, gray, and particularly I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. Listening to the Confessionals podcast. I'm your host, Tony Merkel.

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Go ahead and get your Merck merch before the discount is over. Everything storewide on Merckmerch.com is discounted. Now, today we have Isaiah Robin on the show. Isaiah is a very famous rapper out of Houston. And the way I got connected with Isaiah is I was on YouTube one day. And I saw one of his videos because I subscribed to his channel and I love his music. And I saw one of his videos was him reacting to my interview with Nathan Reynolds. And honestly, in my gut, I was like, I'm not watching this because I like this dude's music. And he's going to irritate me because he's going to be.

talking smack about my show and it's going to ruin my experience with his music. So I was like, I'm not watching that. And then I was like, all right, I got to watch it. And I hit play on it. And to my surprise, he wasn't bashing it. He was actually very open to talking about the weird things we talk about on this show and with Nathan Reynolds. And I was like, holy crap.

So I reached out to him. He got back to me. We arranged for him to come in studio because he talks a lot about the spiritual demonic influences in the music industry. and we get into that topic of conversation and much more with Isaiah Robin. Let's get to them right now. So what is your story as far as like music goes and everything? I mean, you're known for, you know, I would say.

So listen, dude, I've been listening to your music for about two or three years now. I came across you around the time I came across Karen the Light. And what's my boy? Yeah, I think it's probably where I found you. But listening to your music and stuff. I can identify with it because of the, I don't know how to exactly say it, because I don't want to say aggressive in a bad way, but like, you're not really concerned about people's feelings on things that you're saying.

And coming from East Coast, I like that, you know? And I also have that build up inside of me. And God had to work on some of that with me because I was like, like, I was telling you on the way over here how I stopped going to church. or those angry at the church kind of thing. Right. And so, like, I can, I'm the kind of person that, like, once I feel slighted, I can, I just, like, I go from zero to 100.

I'm just like, I'm done, you know? Right. So I had to work with a lot of that stuff. But hearing your music and speaking the truth boldly the way you do, I just really, I really clicked with. But I get a sense that you probably didn't start out in the Christian genre. No. I didn't think so. So I don't know your story. So like how did this whole thing happen for you where you're doing music and now you're still doing music but you're doing it the way you do it now. And I'm saying phrasing things very generally because I just want you to feel free to categorize yourself because if you say C-H, Christian hip-hop for anybody who doesn't know, like that puts an image in some people's minds that you may not want. Like you know what I mean? Because like, like, so. So I grew up in the Philly area, right? Cross Movement.

Well, when cross movement was really in its heyday in early 2000s, I was in college and guess who was going up there? Triplee, the Kray, these guys. But then you also had the guys like Shai Lin and the local guys out of Lamp Mode Records. Stephen Leavite. I don't know if you ever heard him. He had a short stint, but like there was like the deep theological hip-hop guys

that were really East Coast like Shai Lin and Stephen Leavite, believe in Stephen. But then there was also cross-moving that kind of transcended into back then more mainstream national-type sound. And then Lecray kind of was doing that and then took it to another level out in Atlanta. So like, and I also know that there's like there can be, you know, beefs amongst artists. So I don't want to put anything on your plate you don't want. I'm going to whatever, man. Yeah.

Like how did your story unfold for you? Are we rolling right now? Yeah. Oh, well, let me start with praying. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, cool. I'm like, I just jump there. I just jumped there. I just jumped there.

I just jump there. Oh, dang. All right. All right. All right. Let's pray and then we'll start it. Okay, here we go. Father, Father,

Father, we just thank you, my Lord, this divine appointment, Father God. We thank you for Tony, my Lord. We thank you for everybody in the studio, Father. We thank you for the consumers, my Lord, and the blessings, my Lord, that is bestowed upon our life, Father, God. We thank you for the truth, my Lord,

that you allowed us to inherit, my Lord, and to give out to others, Father. We thank you for the seeds that are going to be planted farther through this episode, my Lord. We just thank you, my Lord. We praise you, worship you, Father. And allow this Lord to be edifying for those who watch it, Lord God. In Yeshua's name we pray, amen.

Amen. So I just start jumping into things. I'm like, I'm thinking like, do we start what I mean? No, we start. Yeah, no. Sometimes I do hard opens, cold opens. It all depends on how it goes. I'm telling you, man, like I just kind of, I just don't.

I just do what I want. want to do these days. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. So let's rewind here. You came up here from Houston, and you're, I guess we can just keep it going, right? We'll just keep it going, yeah. So when it comes to like your story with music, like, how does that all unfold for you? I mean, is this something that you started doing when you were a young kid and just kind of grew up in it or what?

Yeah, man, I actually started music when I was seven years old, just freestyling and stuff. And I ended up being at my cousin's house, Cori Yeshua on Robin Martyr. And we just used to freestyle and stuff like that. And then their dad seen us rapping in the garage. And then he decided to put a group together. You know, so we started getting songs written for us. And we started making different audition tapes. We ended up making one for Queen Latifah.

We sent it out to her. We ended up doing like a competition show. We won this show. And then we started like taking it serious. Right? So when we start taking a serious, we started wanting to write for ourselves and stuff like this. We got a little bit older. And when we got into like our teens, we started doing different school shows all the time. Like from San Bernardino to Hollywood, I don't know if you've been in California, but for those ones, yeah, for those who've been in California before they know Hollywood is not close to San Bernardino. It's like a good hour away. And we used to get up every week a couple different times to go perform. at different schools and stuff like that. Anyways, we ended up in different record labels buildings. You know, I performed for Sylvia Rome and Universal Records.

Well, we did. We performed for Jay-Z and Def Jam records in LA Reed at the top of the building. We performed at Capitol records at the top of the building a lot of. When you say perform, or do you mean like, is it like a performance like for entertainment or is it performances in there looking for you as prospective talent? Both. Okay.

Both because it was like a meeting, you know, but we went in there and we performed, you know what I mean, for the meeting. Yeah. You know, they knew a group was coming in.

They probably thought we were just going to talk to them, but we had, like this little archipela thing we would do. You know what I mean? I would flirt with the lady, whatever lady was in there. My cousin, Robbie would do stuff like jump on the tables and stuff like that.

And, yeah, even with the whole L.A. read one. Like my cousin jumped on the table. I flirted with the lady that was next to Jay-Z and stuff like that. You know, however, they didn't, Jay-Z said we weren't gangster enough or something like that. I don't really remember what that was, you know, but we were children now. But, yeah, so that's pretty much where it started out doing things like that when I was 15 and 16. We got on TV on BET and 106 in Park when I was like 17 years old.

And then I ended up getting on tour, doing shows with a lot of different celebrities that we know now. And then I got into the world, deep into the world, went solo, started doing drugs, partying a lot more, a lot more women. And then I came into this whole world of Christian music once I came to the Lord. Right? because my transition to Christ was not, it was a long process until it just happened like that. Right? Because I came to the Lord like two other times.

But it was like real short. You know what I mean? Like I could feel like it's like a thin line that you cross like when you're with God and when you're with the world. And you can feel when you cross it. You know, and I crossed it like twice before I crossed this last time I crossed it. But I was in my room, right? And it was a very supernatural experience, actually.

We're getting into the supernatural now. You're in the right spot. Yeah. So I was in my room. Before this time happened, this happened, it was September 16, 2020, right? But a couple of months before this happened, actually, let me start you in 2019, right? I was dating a Muslim, you know what I mean, for like two years, right? Very in love with this individual.

This person was like, my God. to a certain extent. You get me? Yeah. And ended up breaking up with this person. First of all, I manifested. I took her on a vacation, manifested. A whole demon was just coming out of me.

You know, I was out of you? Yeah. You know. What spawned that? Drugs. Yeah. And alcohol. You know, I remember the first night because I was buying drugs off of people on the street in Mexico.

Jeez. You know what I mean? You don't even know. Yeah. Like, they're out there selling cocaine. I'm like, oh, what's that? Hey, hey, hey. Don't need to speak the language.

I'm like, you know. Just rub your nose a little bit. Yeah, man. So they had cocaine. I don't know. What was it at cocaine? But ended up doing that cocaine. I also popped a pill that I dropped from out there.

Listen, these are strangers on the street. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. So after the first night, you know, the first night was cool pretty much. But the second night, I was, like, terribly hung over, you know? And like a lot of people don't notice But when I was in the world It got to a point where like my hangovers would last like two days

And it would feel like death You know? So after this first night in Mexico The second night I was just I felt terrible like terrible And I ended up telling my girlfriend at the time Like look if you want me to go out tonight Like I'm gonna need it down the rest of that

Jose Cuavo bottle or at least half of it So I drunk about that much Jose Cuavo before we went to this strip club and did drugs. And when we got to the strip club, I was talking about one of the strippers or something like that. You know, my mind was pretty fried at that point.

And I guess she feels her in a certain type of ways. So she started talking, saying something about a guy. And then in my mind, it was gone. At that point, it flipped. You know, and that's when it was just a whole manifestation at that point. You know, I was trying to

take her out the apartment and all that. I was grabbing her and trying to pull her out the apartment and all of that. And it was just bad. But that was like one of the worst nights of my life, you know what I mean? After that day, you know, she ended up with me. I cried really bad when I got back to California. Not only that I cried bad, like, it was like one of those, like, it feels like you're like you're about to stop breathing or something, you know?

And did one of those, not only that, but my head's stomach poisoning. Jeez. I had stomach poisoning when I got home, right? And we thought, you know, I rent it like the best place in Puerto Vallada you could possibly rent, this Mexican place. Like, it looked over the whole ocean, great apartment. I had maids there serving food. One of the maids put something in the taquitos. You know what I mean?

So I got home. And so I'm food. poison, dang near using a bathroom on myself. I'm brokenhearted. Man, it was like a suicidal thoughts for going through my mind. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because at this point, like, I'm food poisoning.

And I felt like I lost my God, right? Because this person was my God to a certain extent. Yeah. So, you know, some time passed. I was towed up. A month later, one of my best friends died because he overdosed on fent and all. So now I'm like, in between this. time of, I'm broken

heart here from Mexico. I check myself into A.A. You gotta be down bad. You check yourself in. Like, I'm talking to different people with A. They're like, what you doing here? I was like, oh, I check myself in. Everybody got court dates and stuff like that.

I'm like, no, I just came here. It was like, huh? So, take myself into A.A. Ended up going there for like two weeks. And then one of my best friends overdosed on fentanyl, you know? and broke my heart, man. Like, even the, the way it happened,

like him and his girlfriend overdosed on Fentra, on a Molly, you know, going to a different city, just to party. She was overdosed in first. He called his dad to see what he should do. He finally got the phone and then he overdosed, and she ended up living. He didn't, you know.

But that broke my heart, man. First, my heart was broken from the whole situation with my girlfriend at the time, and then my heart was, even more shattered from my childhood friend losing his life. You know, it's still hard to even think about now, especially with him because we used to talk about the afterlife. You know what I mean?

Like when people die, it's hard, but when somebody dies that you're close to and then people, somebody that you used to talk about things with, because you start thinking like, dang, they're there now. Yeah. They're there. We're still here. We're still in this flesh.

We're still in this vessel. We're still in this vessel. We're still in this container. but they're out of it. Yeah. So it's like different things in my head. Like, dang, we used to talk about. He's experiencing.

So anyways, a couple months went by. I ended up pretty much back with my ex, you know, but she was traumatized from the Mexico trip. So she kept coming up and down, up and down. Into the point where, like, I was just done. So I was like, I ended up walking away. And I'm like, yeah, I can't. I can't do this, but I didn't want to go back.

So I started doing things that I knew that she wouldn't, she wouldn't take me back for us. So I started, you know, hanging around a whole lot of different women. Making all kind of different skits and stuff, a lot of different women, like, you know. And so, anyway, some time passed. And that was 2019. So now we're in 2020 around July when I'm making all these different skits. But around this time, I'm leading up to September. I'm also watching different sermons for,

some reason, right? The Lord is pulling my heart. I'm watching different sermons. My cousin was in church and he did like a little performance on YouTube and I ended watching that. And I'm just like my heart is really being pulled to watch like different

sermons like real hardcore type preachers though. Yeah. You know? None of that soft stuff. But I started watching that for a good while. And then September 16 came in 2020. By the way, I was a drug dealer too. Okay. Right. So when that night came, the Holy Spirit came into my bedroom, right? And man, it was just really supernatural, man. Like I, it was like

everything stood still. You know what I mean? Yeah. And nothing was there just me and God. And I could feel the love of the Lord on one shoulder, and I could feel everything that was breaking God's heart on the other hand. Man, and I broke down completely. I broke down. I was crying ridiculously, man. And I chose God that day, that night. And I could feel everything come off my shoulders.

You know what I mean? Like I could feel all the deeds that just, just the corruptness, everything, come off my shoulders. And I ended up breaking different phones that day because I had a lot of different stuff in different phones. I had different phones. I had different laptops. I broke everything.

I threw away my different scales for drugs. I threw away drugs. And I was completely different after that night. Like, I don't even know how to explain it. Like, my brothers and my friends was like, what the heck is going on? But it was different, bro. Supernatural transformation. Yeah.

That's why I say like that line, you know, is thin. Like it could be a process until you get to that line. Yeah. But once you cross that line, it's like, boof. That line is crossed. And that's what happened to me on that night. Like all the sermons I was watching, everything in my life that I've been through the broken hearts from my ex, from one of my closer childhood friends,

all that was a process that the Lord was doing, he was pulling me in to reach this line when he would come to me. Right? Yeah. and ultimately give me a choice by letting me feel something supernatural. Yeah. You know? And this is a prayer.

I pray for a lot of, for my friends and for my family. Yeah. It may sound hard when you're saying things like, you know, I hope they go through what they need to go through to get right with God. You know what I mean? Even on my own show, I say something sometimes like maybe delivered over to Satan for the destruction of your flesh. because some people need to go through hardships just to come into a place where they realize they need God.

Yeah. You know? And that's what happened with me. I feel like it happens a lot with people. In fact, I have a friend from back home I used to drive a truck with, and he's going through that right now. I told him that last week, I said, you know, often when we find ourselves at the bottom and shatters,

it's when God uses the opportunity to build us back up into the image that he has created us to be. A lot of times life just gets a hold of us and our lives change because of the circumstances we find ourselves in and we wind up changing into something that was never designed. We were never designed to be. And when we were broken and we find ourselves at the bottom of that barrel broken, that's the opportunity for the Lord to just kind of come in and rebuild you the way he wants you to be.

And I mean, I experienced that myself. I mean, and you're talking about instant transformation, legit, like instant transformation. I was driving truck. I hated God. I was just an angry person. And I was at a funeral. And my wife's uncle, who's a Baptist pastor, got up and started preaching the gospel. And I was mad. I was heated. My blood pressure. Dude, I was blood pressure rise and I can feel my face getting red. I was like, why are you talking about this right now, man? Like nobody asked you to do this. You're just doing it. and like you're at a funeral. I'm like,

nobody came here for this. Well, kind of they did. You know? But in that moment, it was the first time my life, I felt the Holy Spirit speak to me. And I was at a moment in my life where I was trying to become a better person,

apart from God. I was around a bunch of drivers who've been in the industry for like 30 plus years. And they were telling me how nasty of a person I was. And I was like, I don't want to be known as that guy. So I started just trying to be a nicer person. and I say that because when I'm sitting there in this church, first time of my life, I felt the Holy Spirit.

It was like you probably felt the same way where it's like, almost like there's nothing else in the universe. It's just you and God. There was like this like this zeroing in on. And I felt the Holy Spirit said to me, you don't need a change to come to me, just come to me and I'll change you. And it just, it broke me. And I walked out of that church, a different person.

to the point that my wife had the same reaction as your friends. Like she was sitting in the car next to me, pushed up against the door looking at me like, are you all right? I'm like, I'm good. I just don't know what just happened, really. Like, I feel like the joy of the Lord. I was like, this is new.

But yeah, I mean, it's that supernatural transformation that happens for people. And you're right, though. I mean, like the prayer that you have for them to experience that. I mean, how could you not, right? Yeah, yeah. You know, it's interesting what you just said was like, you know, trying to change by yourself and just being a better person. Like, I remember before I even came to the Lord like that, well, first of all, you know, a lot of my, my granddad was a pastor, you know, and I felt like my dad was supposed to be a pastor too. My dad feels like that too, you know. And but before I came to the Lord, I also tried to, you know, I was trying to go to spiritual.

route without God, you know, with God is also a spiritual route too, you know. And I think a lot of Christians don't really know that, but it is very spiritual. We got to tap more into that. But I also try, you know, I went to spiritual route without God, you know, meditating all the time and not thinking about nothing, just affirmations in my head. I was trying that for a long time, but that's not, it's not good without the Lord. Because you could tap into something and then the source be wicked, you know? You can tap. to something that's complete outside of God's nature and you're thinking it's God, but it's not.

And that's what happens with a lot of different celebrities and stuff like that, you know. You got Jada Pickett Smith, who said she, you know, looked at every religion and stuff like that. And then she tried ayahuasca, or what they call it, a medicine plant. And then that's how she met God. First, first she says that she went through hell and felt like demons were there. And then she said she finally gave in. And then she felt like she met God. You know what I mean?

Same thing happens with the Ace family girl, Catherine Pius, different celebrities. But then you got different people like Joshua Bennett, who said he tried ayahuasca, and he started seeing demons. And then he met Jesus Christ, you know, afterwards. It was like, yo, that was a terrible experience. I would not do that. But it's a different source. Yeah. And people can get pulled in and something.

Think that is God. You know what I mean? and end up doing it, doing it, doing it, and then get to a point where they realized what they thought was God was actually the devil. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Even when it comes to, like, you was talking about the masons, free masons and stuff like that, you know? A lot of people end up being free masons and they, at these different levels and these different degrees and they think they're doing something. They're thinking their brotherhood. And they get to a certain level and they're like, hold on, wait a minute.

This light is Lucifer. You know what I mean? so that's why you know it's important and I tell people this all the time when somebody just tries to say if they're spiritual

or something like that like what does that mean what's the foundation what's the source because everything you're doing has a source to it when it's coming from the spiritual realm

yeah and if it's not Christ then it's demonic you're open the door yeah then it's it is demonic there's no covering for you you know what I mean

you just is so out here walking around naked yeah you know and believe it or not like a soul of somebody who's covered by the Lord is beautiful to the devil. You know what I mean? It's like a beauty pageant to a single man or, you know, somebody who's just really attractive to you.

And that's what they want. That's what they want. That's what they want. You know? So when you become a Christian or you start following the Lord is really when these, really when you step into a place of battle. Yes. You got what I'm saying?

Yes. I know he kind of drifting a little bit right now. No, you're drifting in the right directions for me. Like, you're good, man. It's really when you step into a place of battle, right? And I had to find this out myself, brother. How? Because when I came to the Lord, like, yeah, it was beautiful and felt beautiful.

Then I came to a point where I came into community and came into the kingdom and just seen a whole lot of, just seeing the world of Christian. Christendom. But here's when I found out that. the kingdom is like a hospital and everybody's not acting the same off the medicine. You know what I mean? And it could be dangerous and it could be good. Depending on where you're at, depending on who you're, like, it really can.

But when you step into following the Lord is really when the battle happens because the enemy really wants your soul. Different people who are in different religions or different people who are thinking that they're in spirituality and so like that, they may not feel the battle once they first step in or for a good while, you know, until they realize like, this is not what I thought it was.

You got what I'm saying? The difference is with them and us, I believe, is we may feel the battle once we step in and we're just continuously getting to a point where it's the promised land. Halea,

like when Moses took the Israelites out of Egypt, you know, they stepped into the wilderness, but they was on their way to the promised land. You know, a whole lot of,

different battles was going on while they were in that wilderness. You know, the difference with the enemy this camp is they may feel good. You know what I mean? They step into a place of feeling good this whole time, but the ending for them is detrimental. The ending for them is damnation. You know?

A lot of different people out here chasing money and, no, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying money's a bad thing. But the Word of God says, yeah, for the love of money. You know what I mean? they're chasing a whole lot of different things, but once they finally get there,

they realize that the void is still in them. The void that they was trying to chase to fulfill. And that's the dangerous with entertainment and radio and everything that we're seeing. You know what I mean? You could be a Christian, complete in your word, completely in prayer,

completely submitted to the Lord. But once you step outside, it's a fight because everything around you is trying to pull you to enter back into the world that you came out of. You know? It's like, I've been saying this a lot to people recently, especially in our members community. You're born into a war. You just don't realize it. And once you pick sides, that's when you have a target on your back.

It's because, I mean, you have to understand that when you're operating in a war, you don't even know you're in a war because you haven't picked a side, that you're already picking a side. You're on the wrong side. Once you pick and you decide, I'm going to walk with the Lord, now we're talking about the soul that got away. That's what you're talking about. The coveting of that soul because they had you and now you're gone. And they want you back. And so that now they're fighting for you. And I had a guy, I was supposed to interview him last week on Friday. And his video wasn't working, so we just, we're going to reschedule.

He's actually going to come to the studio. But he said to me, while we were talking, that he gave his life to the Lord five months ago. It was through listening to the show that he came to that conclusion. Wow. And we hear those stories

a lot. But he said, since I did that, there's been a lot of things that kicking up in my life, like a lot of activity. You know, it's one would say paranormal. I call it supernatural,

but like things happening. I told my sense, because you picked a side, dude. Like, you didn't make the wrong decision. You made the right decision. You just started,

you decided, I'm going to engage in this war. You know? Like, I, like, I'm going to put up your boots. Yeah, it's like,

okay, I'm going to do Ephesion 6 now. We're going to, you know, load up on the armor and we're going to do this. And when you make that decision, it's real.

And that's the thing that with the, the eastern, or no, Western Church, we're in the West. like the idea of the supernatural aspects of our faith has been so divorced from our concept in our theology that when people say oh i'm going to become a christian they become a christian and they have an encounter with the lord they're totally confused as to what's happening

when it comes to the spiritual then they attacks the the the audience knows the story i'll tell you i'll do it i'll give you the cliff notes i um in march 29 2014 is when i was was in that church and that happened for me with her her uncle preaching and at the funeral. After that, I would, I would just, I mean, I'm a truck driver. So, I mean, I'm talking, I mean, I would wake up in the morning. I'm reading. I'm listening to sermons while I'm driving truck because I just can't get enough of it. And so when I get out of my truck to do a delivery, I'm talking to the guy who's taking the freight off my truck about God.

And it just, and it wasn't like corny. It just would happen because it's or flowing in me and just spills out everywhere else. So this one guy, I got to talk. talking with and he is tell me his life story and he's good good good guy like I'm like I'm listening his story you know and every time I went to deliver there he gave me more of the story of his life to got we got to the more current times and it was very dramatic and I said what's the next step of your life man like what are you going to do and he's like I don't know I'm probably going to blow my brains out and I was like whoa you know and so like I'm like dude you don't want to do this is

exactly what I said to him you don't want to do that guys got plans for your life when I said that to him a switch flipped. And he started looking at me and he started asking questions about God as if he never heard of the word God. Not talking about like Jehovah or any other God. I'm talking about the word God. He acted like he never even heard of.

Like what is a God? And, you know, I'm green, man. Like, I don't have this podcast. I'm walking out my faith. And I have no idea about spiritual warfare whatsoever. And then he walks me out to my truck and he invites me to his house. He wants to learn more about this Jesus guy. And so I scheduled to go to his house on that Saturday to talk to him about it.

And I knock on his door that Saturday morning. Leading up to that week, I felt the Lord telling me you're going to engage in some serious spiritual work. Like something's happening. I just didn't understand what. Talk to my pastor about it. He's like, well, you know, every time somebody comes to the Lord, there's spiritual warfare. I'm like, ah, it feels like there's something more going on here. I just don't know what it is.

my wife didn't feel good she's like before I left she's like tell me what the address is what his number is when you give me back I'm like what is wrong with you I didn't understand I'm like this guy's gonna come to the Lord doesn't anybody know that

you know I knock on the door and there's a pause and then the door seems to open up by itself and it's completely blackened his house and I peeked my head in and I'm like hello and he steps out from behind the door and he says to me you came

and I said yeah I came and I said He said to 11 o'clock. And he goes, most people don't come. And I was like, heck. Yeah. Yeah. And I always say this, but like literally went over my head.

Like, what do you mean most people? What are you talking about? Most people you've done this for? You know, I walk in and there's pinup girls all over the wall. He lives by himself. I walk over, he tells me to sit at the table in the dining room. And I walk by a bookshelf, and I felt the Holy Spirit pulling me towards the bookshelf, like be aware of the bookshelf.

And I approach the table. There's two chairs at the table. one between the table and the window and one between the table and a door. I felt the Holy Spirit tell me he sat between the table and the window, sat there. And that spent,

there was the next three hours of my life was at this guy's house. And long story short, he started acting like he wanted to become a Christian. So I'm just like, all right, let's pray. You know, I just like, let's do this. And I pray with him. He stands up.

starts shaking his hands violently. And he's like, I feel this energy just rushing through my body. And I'm like, oh, it's the Holy Spirit, man. Like, I was like, I don't know what. I did street ministry in Philly, Norristown, all these different surrounding cities. Like, I never saw that kind of reaction. I was like, he's just really excited. And he's like, I can I give you a hug?

And I said, yeah. So I stood up. And he comes in and gives me this hug that's like full front body pressed against mind, puts his head on my shoulder and exhales this long exhale. and he does that that whole scene three times in three hours. But in the middle of that, he informs me that he's a member of the church of Satan. And he goes over to that bookshelf and gets these books out off the shelf and puts it in front of me. After he's pretending to be a Christian, and he's like, I want you to take these books out of my house for me.

And I was like, all right, I'll take him and I'll burn him. And when I said that, he's standing right next to me. He goes, no! And he yells me like that. And so now my blood pressure is rising. Like, oh, man, I'm going to murder this guy's house. Like, I was like, and he's like, I'm sorry. I just don't like when people burn books.

I'm like, all right, weirdo, you know? And I didn't take him home. I wound up taking my church dumpster and throwing away there because I didn't know what else to do with him. I didn't have any idea that there could be something attached to those books. But certainly, certainly, that was the plan for him. But there's a lot of details to that. But I say that whole story to kind of paint the picture of when you pick that

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Like SimplySafe. Yeah. You know, what's crazy what you said, brother, is there's different people in the church that, you know, when they step into the spiritual aspect of God or feel God in the spirit, some people don't even recognize, you know, what it is. And it's crazy, man, because even in the word of God, it talks about the son of tradition sitting at the temple of God pretending to be God, right? And that word, temple in that specific verse, is the Greek word, naos, which means spiritual temple. It's the same word that Paul used in Corinthians.

when he said that, don't you know that you are the temple of God? Right? There's two different words for the word temple in the Bible. It's Harone and Naos. Harone means a physical temple, a real actual building. And Naos is the spiritual temple. So in that verse specifically, when it says the Son of Prodition was sitting in the temple of God, it's saying the Son of Petition was sitting in Naos.

So what you have a lot of, what you have out here is a lot of different churches with the son of perdition sitting in the leader, sitting in the person behind the pulpit. That's not really teaching the Word of God. Right? now you got a wolf and sheep's clothing. You get what I'm saying? And you got a lot of different pastors out here. People are in churches out here.

And there, we see who they are. You know what I mean? Like, I see who they are. I talk about them on the podcast and different things like that. But it's huge deception. Right?

And it's sad because I say this all the time, man. Like you said, like you got church hurt before and stuff like that. A lot of people get church hurt. And it's crazy because church, first of all, you know, I love community. But church can be either one or two things. It can be a place that's beautiful and in liberty or it could be a spiritual prison. Depending on who you're getting taught by.

Depending on who's feeding the flock, right? Yeah. Because you can have different people out here who are feeding the flock a false seed. Paul and the apostles were so against heretics. They were so against Antichrist. You know what I'm saying? What they would call them. Different people who taught different than what the apostles taught.

Galatians 1-8 says, even if an angel teaches you a different doctrine, allow that an angel to be cursed for crying out loud, even if an angel teach you a different doctrine, allow that angel to be cursed, right? Because what can happen is people can be receiving a false seed, right? And 1st Peter 123, it talks about how people are born again. They're born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible seed.

So you could be born from corruptible seed. You get me? Luke 8.11 says the seed is the word. So the seed being going into you, hallelujah, the word of God, going into our souls, going into our soil, going into our earth. And the Lord being birthed in us, that's being born again from above, is how we step into being into the kingdom, right? And, you know, when this war starts, you know what I mean? We're children of God. Everybody's not a child of God. Those who step into the kingdom of God who are

born from above our children of God. But what you have, which is scary, and a lot of people may not understand this or even notice, but just because you're in church doesn't mean that you're born again. You can be in church under a whole serpent, right? That's teaching you and filling you with venom, filling you with poison. You get what I'm saying? It says in the Word of God that these signs shall follow. You should be able to cast out demons. And it also talks about drinking poison, right?

Or you'll be able to receive poison and it won't affect you. It's not talking about literal physical snake poison. Like you drink some of that. It'd be your last day on earth. Yeah, it's a problem. But in the Word of God, it calls the Pharisees brood of vipers. It's talking about false teaching. And what happens is a lot of different.

people out here in churches receiving a whole lot of poison. So say we come and start speaking to them truth, they can't even, they've been numb. Because what snake bites do is they'll numb you. You know, the poison that will numb you until it kills you or something like that. But they're numb to truth, right? Yeah.

And but the beautiful thing is though, but the people who aren't hard-hearted, they'll be able to receive and come out of it if they, you know, if they truly seek in the Lord. Because it's the Lamb's blood, ha, to live it. And Lamb's blood is the cure for snake bites, you know? And it's crazy how to Lord put that in the physical for us to see it in the spiritual. I was going to say, because I feel like I saw that recently,

that that is actually physically the case, right? Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's blood is used for anti-venom. It's crazy. Yeah, it's beautiful. Like, everything we see in the, physical, brother, is meant for us to see God.

I mean, everything we see in the natural, Hallelujah, that makes sense. It's meant for us to see God in the spiritual, even when it comes down to a man marrying a woman. It's meant for us to see Christ marrying the church or the soul marrying the Holy Spirit. Hallelujah and us being connected because our souls are fallen nature. Our soul is a falling nature until God comes, Hallelujah, and the spirit of God takes our falling nature and restores it to a restored nature. You know, so it's the same thing seeing a man marrying a woman.

and even given birth, Hallelujah. That's why it wouldn't make sense if the same gender would want to marry the same gender because it doesn't make sense in the nature of God. You can't see God in it.

Right? They'll say, well, it's love. No, it's pleasure. It's pleasure. You wanting to, a plug don't fit in a plug can't get plugged into another plug. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's just pleasure. It's perversion in a sense. You know, without trying to be disrespectful, but it's perversion. You can't see God in it. If you can't see God in something, you can see the nature of God in something, then it's not meant to be.

Right? So, yeah, you can be in a place with chain. You could be chained, you know, or you can be in a place of liberty, Honolalia. But I believe that we're getting into a place where a lot of truth is surfacing, you know? It even talks about it in John 423, 24. In the last hours,

the worshipers of God will worship him in spirit and truth because the Father seeks such. And us being able to interpret the scriptures and the spiritual aspect that the Lord wants us to do it in is where God wants us. Hallelujah. And we understand that even from the Old Testament coming into the New Testament

because in the Old Testament, they were only understanding the Word of God in the physical and in the literal. That's why they were a sacrifice and real sheep. But in the New Testament, it talks about how we need to present ourselves as living sacrifices. So the Lord never wanted the real sheep,

it talks about in Hebrews to be sacrificed, That was never the case. We're meant to understand that we're the temple, we're the tapernacle. So we have an altar in us. We have beast in us that need to be sacrificed, different mindsets and stuff like that. It talks about how God is at entity with the carnal mind. It doesn't say that God is an entity with Satan. Right?

Satan ain't God's enemy. God use Satan for Job. You know what I mean? Like, hey, do you see my faithful sermon? Yeah, you know, do what you got to do something. See what happens. See what happens. You know, I guarantee you he good.

But Satan's just a tool. You know what I mean? Like, and what's scary to him is us getting into a point we understand that. Us getting into a point where we realize, yo, this is nothing. I just need to overcome this. God is in me. Adelaia, God wants us to be one with him, right? John 1721 allowed them to be one father as I am one of you and allowed them to be one in us.

So God wants us to be one in him. If we're one in God, that means God wants it to when somebody sees you, they see God. And if we understand that to a certain degree, we realize that the serpent, the devil, is really nothing. It's just something trying to take over us. You even say that in one of your songs, I can't remember which one. It might be no more witches. That's got to be like your most popular song on YouTube, right? I mean, it's a popular song.

It's a million views right. Yeah, like, I think it's in that song. One of the lines you say is, what is a demon to a child of God? Yeah. And it's like, I mean, I quote that often. Because it's such a, just, it's a short, direct way to just tell people, I ain't worried about nothing. Right. You know?

And it's not to negate the spiritual, like we were talking about the battle and stuff. And the effects of that, I think it needs to be taken serious and bathed in prayer. Because, I mean, you're going, like, I think a common misperception maybe is that, like, once I yield the Christ, everything's good. That's when that's when you start feeling the arrows the most. Like, you thought life was bad before. Like, but you're covered now. But you're going to feel the attack. But it's that, it's that idea that you're not, we're not worried about those things because we're covered.

I just want to jump into that. Yeah, go ahead. Because, you know, there's a battle, right? You're absolutely right. Here's the thing. Like, when you step into, when you step in walking with the Lord, you start feeling things that were blemished before, you know? Like lust.

You know what I mean? When I was in the world, I wasn't thinking this was lust. I was like, yo, I'm trying to take this down. I'm trying to take that down. Let's call her over tonight. Stuff like that. I wasn't thinking like, but now I'm walking with the Lord. I can feel when that comes up.

Like, oh, that's not up God. I can feel it now, you know? Yeah. Which is beautiful. Like, the Lord allows us to see it now. So it's no longer a blemish. We're not just in it. We can see it to overcome it.

And you have a choice at that point. Just like yesterday in the airport, for those who don't know. I don't know. You know what I mean? I was supposed to be here yesterday. I was supposed to be in Knoxville. yesterday, but we was at the airport for like, what, five, six hours, waiting, you know? But it's a choice at that point.

I can choose to be impatient, like, yo, I'm leaving and I'm going back home. Or I can choose to have the patience that the Lord has given me, and no matter how long it takes, still come. Because I feel like the Lord wanted me to be here in the first place. So if the Lord wants me to be here, he hasn't changed his mind. I could change mine, though. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah. But patience, went back home, went to sleep. good rest. Welcome up in the morning. Here we are. Even that is so crazy because I've been talking a lot about Mark 4, Mark 5 a lot. Because when I read the

scripture, I really tried to read it with like an understanding that the existence of the supernatural aspects of what is in the scripture. And Jesus and the disciples load up in the boat and they start crossing. And where they come

across? The storm, right? And if you look at what happened on the other side, you got the demoniac man that comes and he rebukes him 2000. I say at least 2000 because, I mean, you have the 2,000 pigs that run off the cliff. But like, I mean, where he's at is tons of tombs. We don't know how many demons were actually there or maybe there was more people that had demonic possessions there. Right. But like it was, when you look at those, these stories back to back and you take the whole picture in, it becomes clear to me that Jesus was on a singular mission.

He understood that he was going to crossing the Sea of Galilee to encounter this man who had thousands of demons in him. He was going to take care of business. And then the next thing, after that happens, they get back in the boat to go to the other side. He literally went over there for that reason. And so as he's going across the Sea of Galilee, he's taken a nap because he ain't worried about a thing.

He's got four professional fishermen on the boat with him. Their territory was the Sea of Galilee. That's what they fished. So before Jesus came along their life, no doubt they fished the Sea of Galilee and they've seen storms. But this storm was so violent, so strong that they were terrified that they had to wake him up to stop the storm. And they easily were more than likely not even thinking that as much of just, please do something. You know, we've seen you do all this other stuff. But when you think about the supernatural battle that could have been happening there. The enemy knows Jesus is marching to their territory,

the front line of their encampment. And you brought up Job. One of the things in Job is that a great win was sent. Satan used a great win to kill Job's family. So we have a pattern in scripture of weather being used as a weapon. I don't think that that was meant to kill anybody. I think it was meant to, hey, Jesus is napping. let's have four professional fishermen make an executive decision to turn that boat around and take it back to the other side and not come any further.

It's almost like medieval warfare. The first thing you see in the movies is the cloud of arrows coming at you. It's the first line of defense. And when I look at that storm, that's how I feel about it. I look at that, I'm like, this was a supernatural storm. And when I see what was happening yesterday in Texas, that's what I was thinking. I was like, of course, there's a storm coming, trying to stop this from. happening, you know? And, and I, I, I didn't, I, because I don't know you were well, so I, I didn't

want to make you do anything you didn't want to do. So I was just like, man, that stinks. Still coming, right? But, uh, no, man, like, like, I don't think that's a mistake either, you know, and, and, and I, I don't want to be somebody that, um, you know, I've heard the story, the whole thing of, you know, there's a demon under ever rock with that guy, you know, I don't want to be that, but at the same time, like, I look at things and I'm like, I think we're, you're, you know, I think we're so passive with how we view things and we go through storms and you know spiritual storms or physical storms and we don't acknowledge the the gravity of the situation and what is what even if it's not

spiritual but what it is what is it doing to us spiritually like what kind of toll is it taking on us and now it becomes spiritual so um yeah i don't know how i got on that ramp you got you said you said storm out it's like oh mark four uh yeah you know it was crazy about that story is too brother that it's also showing us that just because we have Jesus doesn't mean we won't go through storms. Yeah. Because they had the Lord with them, but they still went through the storm.

Yeah. But the thing is, the Lord is saying that when he's with us, we can walk on water unless we get distracted. Because Peter started walking on water. When he's seen the Lord walking on water, then he got distracted and he started sinking. Yeah.

So we got to stay focused on the Lord, even within the storm, to stay afloat. And to walk on water with the Lord like he wants us to Because once we get distracted Or once something takes our attention We start sinking back into the water And the sea is also known as humanity

So the world So we can be above the world And take authority of the world And walk on water with Jesus But once we get distracted We may sink back into the world Get back into the world Get back into our old past lives

And things that we used to be into Because we got distracted We're not longer focused on Jesus, but as long as we're focused on Jesus, we'll be able to walk on the water, even within the midst of the storm. Alia? Because it's not about, I say this all the time.

It's not about asking for the storm to stop. It's about asking the Lord to give you the strength to get through it. Right? Because once you get through the storm, you know how to overcome the next storm, the next storm. Sooner or later, you got a whole yacht in the water. You know, you're chilling all the storms there. Is there another storm coming?

I mean, come on. You know, so it's about staying focused on the Lord, man. I mean, yeah. So speaking of staying focused on the Lord, there are countless of musicians, people in the industry who enter with one perspective on their faith. I'm a Christian, this, that another, and things change.

Katie Perry is one of them, right? So Katie Perry starts out as, what was, Jack, what was her name again? Do you remember Caitlin Hudson? That's what she was, her first musician. Oh, shoot. Yeah, it was Katie Hudson. She was a Christian singer.

Her parents are evangelist or something like that. And somewhere along the line, something happens. She said she sold us out to the devil. You know exactly where I'm going. So, like, how does that, how does that unfold for people? Do you think, like, do you think that it's like a literal transaction that they're doing and they're approached by the devil, or do you think it's more of a symbolic thing that

they do corporately with other people who've done the same thing? Like, I mean, I know you've had to think about it. I don't know if you've ever come across the situation. The fact, I think next week, maybe the week after, I have a lady coming up from Atlanta, her and her husband, their pastors down there. She did a song with Busta Rhymes back in, I think, 2012. I can't, I can't remember what her stage name was. But she, from what I understand, she, uh, this was a turning point in her career.

She was with her music producer. They were recording something and, uh, he pulls her aside and said, hey, if you really want to take things in the next level, you should probably consider selling your soul of Satan. And like,

so like, you hear stories like that. And maybe she tells it differently, but that's what I remember hearing. But like, um, you hear stories of that. It's like almost like this literal transaction,

you know? Or like, I've just, I've kind of like interested to hear your perspective as to, because I mean, we talk about, We could talk about Beyonce, Jay-Z, the witchcraft that's involved in that family. Like, Beyonce is like a high priestess, like straight up.

So, I mean, do you think it's an overnight thing where they make a decision and there's the transaction completed? Do you think it's a process for these people? Well, for one, the word of God says, what is the profit of man to gain the world and lose yourself, right? But you can lose yourself. You can't sell yourself. The devil may trick you into thinking that you can sell yourself, you know, may sign a contract that you give me your soul. and something like that, but you may get to the, in, in, in, in a hole that's deep enough where you don't even think about God, you know what I mean?

I think that you're, you're too far gone. There may be a trick from the devil. Yeah. But you can't actually sell yourself. I agree. However, these individuals, they get into a space where they come into so much agreement with demonic activity that their soul gets blemished, right? And not only that, but you can come into a place where you invite different spirits in, right?

So you're in a place of different spirits manifesting in you. You get what I'm saying? Like even actors and actresses, right? We have, you got Terence Howard who said that he invites spirits in him to play out different characters. Taraji P. Henson said it too. This one dude, Woody McLean, I just did a story on him. but they oh dames and egress

said he was calling on the devil when he reached a roadblock and acting for crying out loud you know and then when the movie was over he couldn't get it out he couldn't get out he caught his mom he had nightmares like you think that these spirits are going to leave once the movie's done

fools but you know people like Jay Z and Beyonce and stuff like that they come into a place where it's definitely witchcraft, right? Jay-Z said in his song, Family Feud, I told my wife, the spiritual stuff really works.

And he also said in his song, State of Empire, that Jesus can't save you, life starts when the church ends. So right there, those two lines, we understand that he's not talking about Christ when he's talking about the spiritual stuff.

Beyonce herself, she has a whole lemonade album, and if you watch different videos of it, she's in water, then there's a part in the video where the door opens and water comes out, she's showing us that she's being born again into whatever she is, which we understand that she, you know,

worship the deity Oshun, right? Which is a part of the Ephi religion, you know? And their God is a ludomari. Not only that, but they also have another deity named Aishu, which is the deity that connects them to the spiritual, okay? We understand it says in the Word of God that there's only one mediator from man and God, and that's Christ Jesus.

But to them, it's Aishu that connects the man to God, the creator, which is Alutamari for them. Right? She's a part of the Eiffa religion. A lot of people in the music industry is a part of the EFI religion. You got 21 Savage. You got Kailana. You got Summer Walker. You got Beyonce.

And the crazy thing is they continue to gain more people and add more people in it. And I don't want to catch you off, but I don't think I've ever heard of this. So, like, it's, is it something that, like, it's, if you know, you know, kind of thing? I mean, it seems like an industry kept secret, this, this religion. It's, uh, it's, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, like African ancestry type stuff. Okay. You know what I mean? It's very big within Hollywood, though.

As far as, like, African Americans are involved. It's very big as it within, like, it's coming out now, you know? Yeah. because I'm talking about it a lot, you know, and different people are starting to talk about it a lot. But you got people who are, you know, very dedicated, you know, and they do altars. You know, they set up altars where they give different deities, food,

and fruit and say happy birthday to these deities. You know what I mean? Like, so it's pretty big. I mean, different celebrities are starting to post some more about it, you know, but it's deception. and it's in its highest degree. Beyonce used to be a Christian. Yeah.

You know? But her drummer, Kimberly Thompson, filed a restraining order on her for extreme witchcraft. Her drummer of five years, filed a restraining order. Anybody can search this. There's articles written about it. Yeah. That's, you know, it makes you think.

And I even seen an interview of Kimberly Thompson talking about it afterwards. You know what I mean? like extreme witchcraft. Like, and people just at her shows, just singing her songs, and coming more and more into this spirit that is taken over, Beyonce. Listen, she talks about it on one of her interviews, how like Sasha Fier's. Sasha Fier's comes into her. Like, it came into me.

Like, what are we watching here? Yeah. We're seeing the whole manifestation coming out of a woman and y'all just over. over here just cheering it on. Yeah. You know? And I bring up different things for Christians to see, right? And if the world choose to see it, they choose to see it.

But I need brothers and sisters who believe that they're a part of faith to know what they are supporting, right? Because if we were in biblical times, you wouldn't have different Israelites over here going into a Goliath show. You get what I'm saying? It's foolishness. Like if you really think, like you're really a believer out here,

you need to know what you're supporting. You know what I mean? Like, why are you supporting somebody who's completely submitted to a different God? You know, we know what that God ultimately is. It's darkness. And they're leading millions of people over there to darkness. You got Travis Scott who had a show,

an Astero World show. People said it felt like hell. You know what I mean? About 11 people died in the crowd. Do you think that was like a big ritual? Do you think it was intentional? He had a portal shirt on. He had a shirt where somebody, listen, if that ain't intentional, I don't know.

He had a shirt where a blue guy went through a portal and turned red. The stage said, see you on the other side. In the portal for crying out loud. I can't even fathom. My job is to ask the obvious questions. Yeah, man. Like, the stage was an upside down cross. It was crazy.

I don't remember that part, really. Yeah, man. It was wild, dude. He left for, he disappeared for a good couple, little time. People forgot about it. Yeah. You know, it's like people don't remember these type of things.

Like, what in the world? It's a whole lot of different just followers, following the crowd. That's why it says the world, they hate you. They hated me. You know what I mean? because we don't follow the crowd.

We follow the Lord, and the Lord didn't follow the crowd. No. You know, definitely stood out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, I hear you. The,

the amount of this kind of stuff that we're seeing pop up, you know, I think you can look back and you see different artists throughout history saying similar things as these artists, but it just seems like it's more in your face.

Like, almost like there's been a shift in the quote-unquote timeline where it's like, All gloves are off and we're going to let you see who we are because it's almost like you're approaching like a finish line of a race. Because, I mean, you see things like, I'm really drawn a blank on what her name is now. She's the biggest female singer out there. She's dating a football player, Taylor Swift. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Like you see the things that the rumors, I would say, about her. But when I look, I don't listen to the music. I don't watch the music videos. So I just see stills on the internet when people are trying to make points and stuff. But what I see, I'm just like, you see all these same artists dressing the same during the music videos, during their shows. It's almost like it's a giant ritual and they are all part of it. And you see this throughout out time, really.

I mean, I think it was Willie Nelson. One of these artists back in the day basically said, you know, I sold my soul of Satan and he's going to come collecting, essentially. Oh, that was Billy something, something like that. Something Billy. Dang, I forgot what his name is. But you see it peppered throughout all the music industry, but you're seeing it also transcend in the sports world too.

Yeah. You know, and it's just like the playing field for this has migrated. Yeah, you know, listen, you got Tom Brady, whose wife was a witch. Yeah. You don't realize that. They don't.

You see what I mean? Super Bowls he won. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I'm not saying he's a bad football player, but, you know, she out here doing rituals and stuff. Like, it's real. You know, there was a, there was a wist.

on this lady named Tasha Kaye show, who was talking about a lot of different athletes come to her and ask her to perform rituals and this and that. And that stuff be working out there. You know what I mean? And they have, like, this stuff ain't free. No. It's not free.

You think that you're just doing it. Like, even when I was talking about the actor Woody McLean, who said that his neighbor was watching power, and he went into her, she called him and said, come over. She paused power, and he was over there, and he said that she put crystals on him, and they started praying, like praying to who? They started praying, and she told him to ask for whatever you want, right? And he said that he just started saying, like, he's just ready.

He's ready to step into the next level going to that point. You were talking about, like, is there something that they do? Yeah. He was saying, I'm ready to step into the next level. A week after, he got a call from power. That's how he ended up on power. The show power. What he McLean?

A witch put Christos on him and they started praying. So, you know, when it comes to these athletes, like, it's crazy, man, but stuff really be working out here. And my son, he's seven years old and, you know, like, I love basketball, man. I've always have. And coming from Philly, I'm a huge Sixers fan. So my son loves watching basketball. And he talks about, you know, he's like, Daddy, you think I could go to the

the NBA one day. I said, why would you want to do that? You know, like, but I told, you know, I tell it's like, yeah, I mean, you'd have to start now with your training and you can't look at the sport as a game that you enjoy as much as you need to train, like you're, like you want to be the best in the world. And I think I took the joy out of it then for himself, but, but like, I told him, I was like, I talk very, my son, listen, my son, he's my son. Like, he's, he's a little different. Like, he's got a dad that talks about a lot of crazy stuff and, and he's aware of it. and I told him, I said, any kind of industry you go into like that, you got to be careful with the attacks. And I kind of explained to him the best I could for a seven-year-old, but he's very aware of things in spiritual warfare, particularly.

Right. But when Kobe died, there was this whole thing that was surfacing about how Kobe, at some point, made some kind of metaphorical transaction that he would be willing to die young if he could accomplish everything he wants to in his career kind of thing. And then he dies young. And then the whole connection with LeBron. And there's this whole thing that people were saying was like some kind of ritual where they met in Philly at that game. And then like I think it was like a few days later he died in the accident. And you can look at all that kind of stuff and say, eh, maybe. It's hearsay. When you have artists and people, I don't know if there's any

people that are athletes who implicitly say, I sold my soul to Satan, it gets to the NBA, you know? But like, when you have artists and musicians and actors saying these things, for anybody watching or listening, it's like, at what point do you need to have evidence before you start believing that there's an enemy out there that's warring for your soul and that there is this thing called good and evil and you're in the middle of it and the very people who you look at as sane people

they're Hollywood, they're musicians, you know, there are people to be looked up to. When those very people are saying these things, at what point do you need enough evidence on the table before you start saying, you know what? I need to make a decision here, you know? And I feel like that's why I mentioned about how I feel like we're approaching like this finish line because it just feels like my enemy is taking the mask off and saying, yeah, this is me. Yeah.

You know, and try to entice people just with rawness. Yeah, you know, back in the days, people like Pastor Craig Lewis, in another past, I forgot what his name was, but he died. They used to expose a lot of different stuff that was hidden. Right? Freemasonry stuff and music videos. And now it was just completely just out there. You know, you got Doja Cat dressed as a whole demon. Dude.

All right. Listen, you said on the way over here, you asked me how old it was. I said, I was 40s. I don't look that old. What I'm about to say is going to make me feel old, okay? I really don't know who she is. She got popular. Like, after me, like, I don't listen to music that I know messes my brain up.

So, like, I never listen to any. I know who she is in the sense of, like, seen her and stuff. And I've seen the pictures. My wife has sent me, like, this lady just being a demon or something. Right. Can you just tell me who the heck she is? So I can understand. Is she, like, really popular?

She's big in the secular industry, for sure. You know, no, listen. These kids these days. That's how I feel right now. Listen, there's different people who I don't know who they are either because I came to the Lord. Not, you know, I stopped listening to worldly music like that or at least evil secular music.

But different clips, you know, different clips and things like that is, you know, how I, and people tag me in a lot of different stuff. It's how I see different things. And so, yeah, Doja Cat is a really popular pop artist, right? but she got songs saying I'm a demon I'm a demon all kind of crazy stuff like that that's why I mentioned her in No More Witches You know

Yeah Those your kids she said she a demon with a demon squad Okay you're a demon what's a demon to a child That's why I set that part But Yeah man you got people out here who's just Completely And here's the crazy part right

Because we're in a time where The more demonic you are The cooler you are Right? That's weird, right? Yeah. You have people like Playboy Cardi headlining rolling loud, right?

And this is a super demonic artist. Pictures with horns on his head and stuff like that. You know what I mean? And black eyes. But it's like the more demonic, the more crazy you are, the cooler you are at these places.

You know? It's mind-boggling. But I do believe that, like you said, uh, we're like coming to the end of a race or something like that. I believe just with the Bible,

says the first shall be last and last shall be first. I believe that we're coming into a place where there's going to be so much darkness in different places, just like AstroWorld, that people begin to see the light piercing, right? If we're in a dark room right now and we can't see anything and somebody lights a lighter, you're going to know what else, you're going to be like, oh, shoot, wait a minute, there's light in here. So people who are the world in general, there's so much darkness going to

going on from actresses to entertainers to politics and people who didn't believe there was a god and you know it's just deeper in the world even they are going to understand like wow it's so much even that there has to be good somewhere and that's going to be that lighter that flicks in a dark room you know and that happens with a lot of people who come across different clips that i even share you know it's that lighter flicking you know what i mean and when people come into the that there is God, they want to chase God. Because you're a human being, you know what I mean? Like, a lot of people know that God is real, but they don't understand.

You know what I mean? You can know something and not understand it. You can know that God is real, but don't really understand that God is real. Like, this is what I mean. Once you understand that God is real, you start coming into a different place. mentally because if God is real and good is real, evil is real.

So at that point you start thinking that heaven must be real, hell must be real. At that point you start thinking like, dang, my decision is real. Do I have a decision to make now? I feel like I need to make a decision now. The choice is real. Wait a minute, hold on. And once you come to that conclusion, there's no walking back from that,

ignoring you don't know that. Right. Too much as good. Once you have no more ignorance of the situation, you can't go back to that. Right. To whom much is given, much is required. Once you start understanding that God is real, man, at that point, or even if you come into a place where you start following the Lord, right? People, we fall, we stumble.

But there's a difference between just living and purposeful sin and falling and stumbling. You know what I mean? There's a complete difference. You know, and God understands that we can't trick God. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, your, your spirit of tell on you when you lead this earth. Like, oh, what not? You didn't think that at that time.

You do what you were doing. But, you know, God's mercy is so beautiful, man. It's like you have kids, you know what I mean? You understand. You know what I mean? Like your kids are going to, you know, there's different things that they may rebel and do this and with that. You know what I mean? but your love is so strong for them.

And even a human being's love for their children is minuscule for the love that God has for us. You know what I mean? And to the point where he gives only begotten son to be sacrificed for us to come into salvation. Not only that, this is what I want to say too. Lord have mercy. Hallelujah.

A lot of people in the church only understand Yeshua, Jesus, as a human figure, right? A human being. They're not understanding the fact that Yeshua was the word that manifested into flesh. So many people will be like, oh, I have my own relationship with Jesus. Me and Jesus is cool.

Well, how is that possible when you don't even read the word? The word is Jesus. John Wool. Not just your imagining, not just you thinking about a human being who walked to earth. The word is the Lord.

How do you have true? with the Lord if you don't even read the word. You know, that's when people are in a place of just only understanding the human figure of Jesus Christ. You get me? But in actuality, the Lord wants you to come into a place where you're born again and Christ is in you. Hallelujah, Galatians 2.20, it is no longer I who live, but Christ in me. The Lord wants to be in you, hallelujah, so you can truly be married to him, the bride in the, the bride in Jesus. Hallelujah.

To become one with the Lord within you, within your temple. You know, and the Lord being sacrificed was also for us to understand that we need to follow him. That's why it tells us to present ourselves as living sacrifice. That's why it calls us, you know, sheep. And we understand the Lord was the perfect lamb. Even in the Old Testament, it was a type in shadow, right? because there were in the tabernacle, you had the altar burnt offerings in the outer court. You also had the brazen labor where the priest would wash your hands before offerings and

after offerings. But in that one specific spot, I'm not going to go into the holy place and holy of holies, but in that specific spot, the altar burnt offerings happened where animals were sacrificed for the atonement of sin. It was different offerings, grain offerings, peace offerings, different things like that. But specifically, we're talking about the atonement of sin. animals were sacrificed, right? They would take the entrails out. They'll put them on the burnt offerings and they would burn the entrails and the animal. But that was a type and shadow of Jesus to come to be sacrificed. Haleen, he was the perfect lamb once and for all. We don't need to keep doing this stuff over here where we keep killing these animals. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So, but even then, even the Lord stepping into that type and shadow where we understand that, he fulfilled that type in shadow, even now, it's another type in shadow. For us to understand what Yeshua did, we have to step into that type and shadow. Why? Because it says that the word manifested into flesh. Hallelujah. And that was Jesus Christ. Now the Lord has given us the opportunity for the word to come into you, for the word to

come into me. If Luke 8-11 says the seed is the word and the seed is being planted into your earth because your body is considered the earth. Even when you read Hebrew 6-8, it talks about, you could read it another time. But, you know, so if the seed, so yeah. So if the seed is getting planted into the earth, High-Lia, it's also understanding that the word is being implanted into you. Haliah, so if the word is in you and Christ is in you, then what it talks about when it says that the word manifested into flesh and becoming Jesus Christ, now the word is in you

and again the word is becoming flesh in you right? It may be a slower process but that's exactly what's happening that's why the Lord says I'm the first fruit of many brethren the Lord wants us to step into a place where we understand it and we're growing more in it

you know what I mean overcoming more and more things and growing more and more into becoming one with the Lord the Lord says I am the king of kings the Lord of Lords that's what the devil was afraid of us knowing. But I believe that that's what we're coming

into understanding children of light truly on earth as it is in heaven. You know what I mean? And I believe when we get to that point, which I believe we're getting to to, like you were saying, the finish of the race, where the first become last and last become first. It's

us coming into an acknowledgement of Christ, not just the physical human being, but the revelation, which is truly going to bring us into a different element. You know what I mean? every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Not just saying these things are just bowing,

but coming into a place of understanding. Hallelujah of the revelation of God, which ultimately gets us to the Father. John 146, I am the way the truth in the life. No one gets to the Father except through me. It's not only talking about a physical human being. It's talking about the revelation that we need to understand to come closer to God.

My people perish for lack of knowledge. So there's clearly a knowledge that the Lord wants us to understand. There's a knowledge that the Lord wants us to have. I don't know, yeah? So we won't perish because without that knowledge, we perish. The Lord is the truth. We have to understand the truth. I don't know you to get closer to God, to get closer to the Father.

And that's where the Lord wants us. That's, like I was saying, the Lord loves us. This stem from the Lord loving us. But even the Lord, you know, carrying his cross, It tells us to carry our cross, him being crucified, it says it to die to ourselves. It's a pattern that we need to see, right? The gospel, Matthew Mark, Luke and John,

the Gospel of the New Testament, it's a pattern that we need to see. And we understand that because it also says that the pattern, it also says that the gospel was taught to the Israelites in the wilderness. It says in Galatians 3.8, I believe, that the gospel was told to Abraham. How in the world is that possible when Yeshua came years after Abraham? after Moses, how was the gospel taught to them?

It's the pattern of us understanding how to get closer back to the father. Alia. No, I 100% agree with you. And what you were talking about with Christ being the Word, I mean, literally, that's John 1. I mean, John 1, and that's what I was

talking to recently, but I was kind of just trying to guide them from a distance because I'm not in Pennsylvania anymore. And I was telling them, like, it was the guy that I used to drive truck, That's who was, who was, but I was telling him, it was like, literally, you have to understand that when you're reading the Bible, you're literally reading the words of Christ. And the more you read it, the more he becomes manifested in you. And it's been, it's been a very interesting thing to see in him.

He's going through a really tough time right now. I don't want to put his business out there, but he's going through a tough time right now. it's from my perspective. It's been interesting. Really cool to see, I should say that that way, because I'm witnessing from the outside looking in, a supernatural thing happened where my creator is zeroing in on somebody like he did to me. And I'm seeing it from the outside.

And so I'm able to speak confidently to him where what's happening to him. But like he, he like like it's like I'm telling him like dude like literally he's speaking to you right now you know and it's been it's just been an interesting transformation I guess is what I'm trying to say it's like but it's it's a it's a process in a sense like you were talking about like there's that process until you cross the line like for him it's like he knows like he he never prayed his entire life and all of a sudden he found himself praying the last like week and a half now and he that's why I found out about it because he texts me he's like he's like

man, this is that and the other's going on. And I've been praying. And I've always heard that you're supposed to pray for people. So I just want you to know I pray for you and your wife. And we started talking to stuff. And like the Holy Spirit just kind of like took over me in a sense where like I was able to speak to the situation and guide him. Like I mean, I was like, dude, like he never even owned a Bible before.

So like I got him a Bible. I had it delivered to the house. And I'm like, this is what you need to start doing. and start reading John. Just start reading John. And I had a whole after John, read Romans and just trying to help guide him through these steps. But at the end of the day, like, I'm such a strong believer in the supernatural aspect of God that I am not under any delusion that I have a role in this other than just speak when I'm told to speak. Like, I'm not going to save this guy.

You know, this is between him and God. So I'm just kind of like giving him breadcrumbs. and I'm just letting the Holy Spirit do what the Holy Spirit does because, like, you were talking about kind of like your life and stuff. And it's similar with me where I grew up in the church, but it wasn't until March 29, 2014, that I truly started walking with God.

Like, I had these, like, crossovers, you know, and I'd fall back. And in order for it to have sustainability, I feel like you need to have that real interaction with God. And when you know you encountered your, creator, you don't really have much of decision at that point. Like you can't, like, I can't fathom turning and be like, I'm good. Thanks, but no thanks. It's like, you know, like, it's like this, this infinite creator, this omnipotent God. And when you had that interaction, like that, it's,

like, it's life changing. You, you, you don't even really have, I don't know how to even describe it. I lack the words to describe the absolute ability of the moment. Like, for me, it was just like, I'm not a Calvinist, right? Like, I don't, I'm not like reformed theology. But at the same time, in that moment, looking back, I couldn't imagine me. Like, it was like God just approached me and I had just had only one thing to do. It was just like, okay. Yep.

Yes. You know, it's just in a sense, in that sense, I could almost see how you could say like God chooses you and you don't really, you know what I mean? All right. Let's talk about our sponsor, which is Ghost Bed. When it's finally time to go to sleep, your mattress should not be keeping you awake. That's my job. So check out Ghost Mattress, especially their Lux mattress, their Ghost Bed Lux mattress,

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going from the Satanist to the, what a guy who, you know, I'm surprised you came to the, you know, the guy right there you was talking about even with your best friend, you know, I can see the story of Noah within you, you know what I mean? Like, God chose Noah to build the boat. You know what I mean? And Noah built the boat with his family. And it was to save people because the flood was coming.

You know? Even when it comes to Moses, like there's different people who are Noah of their family, of their friends, only to their family and their friends to also be a Noah. You know what I mean? And I see it what they mean? myself too, breaking generational curses and different things like that. But there's people

who, when they step into salvation, they start building a boat. They start building a boat. And when you're talking to your friends and talking to strangers, you may not see it in the physical, but what you're doing in the spiritual is you're inviting them on the ark. The Lord is having you build.

You know, there's arcs that were building in the spiritual. Every every story in the Bible is really for us to see it now within our life. It's not just for us to see it as a history book only, you know, there's a literal sense there, and there's an allegorical sense. You know what I mean? And when the Lord is talking about us getting back into spirit and truth, it's us understanding

the word of God within the allegorical sense, within the spiritual context of it, for us to really grow within the spirit and understand the Bible the way the Lord wants us to understand it. you know and if we were there in the Old Testament they wouldn't have been sacrificed some real sheep and real animals you know but that's where a lot of different things came in in the New Testament when the Lord came and said I did not come to do away with the law but came to fulfill it but fill means to teach it correctly because they were doing too many things in the physical and literal so you know it even talks about when Paul talks about how they were going to teach in different synagogues,

they would call the Jews who were still understanding the Old Testament within the physical context unbelievers. They called them unbelievers. And they called those who understood the new covenant believers, right? They didn't call, they weren't saying that the world were unbelievers. They weren't saying people who didn't know God. They called those who were unbelievers. They called those who were.

understanding only the old covenant and how they were doing things within unbelievers. They called them unbelievers. You know, so it's very interesting to, you know, just see how even people who, you know, were Satanists or different individuals who used to be atheists could come into a place of believing, right? Because I say this all the time. it's easier for a atheist to learn truth than it is for a Christian who's already been indoctrinated with a lie. You know what I mean?

And different people under a spirit of religion, you know? Yeah. But it's beautiful to see, man, when I hear somebody like talking to people about the Lord and being a NOAA of different individuals, man, I really honor that. and that's a good while. You said you've been since 2014? Yeah, yeah. I am. Yeah.

I feel like I have an evangelistic heart for sure. In fact, I know I do. Step into a sickness house. You got to have it. I didn't know at the time. To be fair, I didn't know at the time. Surprise you came. It's the way it went down, man.

But, yeah, I mean, I've kind of recently been stepping into new new avenues of my calling in life i so i went to bible college like 20 years ago whatever it was probably more than that now um and so i i i felt like this calling to to be in ministry uh but then you know you just go through life and these ups and downs and stuff and right i um that that uh that um christian media conference I was telling you about one of the pastors I met there I was having dinner with and he's from alabas is a strong southern accent and uh we're having we're having dinner and he's like let me tell you something he's like god called you to podcast and you're doing that's great he said but you're only operating half your anointing the other half is preaching you're not doing it and i was just

like who i was like he said it in love but uh i felt the heat with it too and i felt the heat with it too too. And so I, after talking with him and praying about and stuff, I started, I started preaching. And I've only done it twice now, but I've done it at my church, my home church, and my pastors put me on. And it's, it's, it's, it's been an interesting learning curve, I guess, because I'm not, I'm not a pastor. And I'm, and I, and I didn't graduate Bible college for a reason. You know, like, I wasn't the greatest student. And, you know, I remember going through these classes of how to, preach and I was just not on the same level as everybody. I was like, everybody has their notes and everything. I'm like, all right, well, we're talking about sin today? All right, we'll wing it, you know? I'm not a great student, but I really felt like in the last, what, going on, eight and a half, nine years now, whatever it's been since I started this show.

I hearing so many people's stories in life, you know, all different perspectives and aspects. I really felt like I was just charged by God to just tell his story, you know? and I don't need to go up there with amazing mind-blowing theological things. I can just read the word, know the word, teach the word, tell the word, tell the story. And that's kind of like the first time I preached, I was so nervous because it's not a podcast. You know what I mean? Like I can talk to people, but like when you're telling me I have to take the pulpit, like that I look at that as something that's like I'm scared.

to death to say something that could lead somebody astray, right? And so, like, that's one of the things that kept me from doing it for so long. And so my solution, that was to have my notes and pretty much read them. And so that's what I did the first time. I was like, I wandered away from the notes, but then I was like, let's get back to that. And I just read it. And then the second time I preached was was, was Palm Sunday. And that time I was like, let me just, let me just, just tell the story. And so I walked them through the exodus into Passion Week and

I don't know how I did it, but it just kind of, I just told the story. But a pastor told me he's like, you know, I know that's the second time you've ever preached, but he's like, that seemed like you were preaching for years. I was like, hmm. Wow. Okay, so I guess that's the formula for me.

You know, everybody has their own formula. For me, it's just, just tell a story. Yeah, you know, here's what I'll say, too, brother. Like, it's about letting the Lord lead, right? A lot of people that say that they graduate Bible school or seminary and stuff like that, many people will get into a space where it's just a job, right? Yeah. And like one of my sisters told me she went to a church the other day

and she cried in the parking lot because she noticed that the pastor was just working. You know what I mean? Like he wasn't living that life. Like, I know we think about it like, in a sense, like, we're like, if somebody's a pastor, then they have to be walking with God. But there's a lot of different pastors out here where it's just a job. Just a job. They go in there, do their job for a couple hours, get paid, and go back home. You know what I mean?

Who knows what's going on? So it's not, there's different people who graduated Christian school, but the Lord didn't anoint them. you know what I mean? Yeah. There's even people who didn't that the Lord anointed. You know?

To me, it's about the word of God like you were saying and letting the Lord lead. Hallelujah. I also just, I just stepped into preaching actually too. I preached in San Antonio.

I mean, I preach in my music. Yeah, you know. Yeah, but I just started preaching at actual churches. I preached in San Antonio. I just preached in Houston. I'm supposed to be preaching

every month. possibly leading into every week, however, the Lord leads me, you know, but it's definitely a strong pull. It's like one of those pools where it feels like you have to, you have to get this out, you have to, you know what I mean? So it's as the Lord leads, man. Like you were just saying earlier that, you know, you're saying this stuff, but it's, it's God moving. It ultimately it is. It talks about the Word of God, how we should plant and water. The Lord will do the increase. You know, even when you're talking to somebody, you can't expect somebody to just change off top just because you're talking to them. You give them the word and the Lord will do the increase. What happens from there is from there, but you were obedient to the Holy Spirit, you know?

Yeah. And it's not about, it's not about pushing the word down somebody's throat. You know what I mean? You can step into spiritually raping somebody, trying to push the word by it down somebody's throat. It's about 1st Corinthians 920. It's about going down to different levels to reach different people. To the Jews, Paul said he became like the Jews.

To those with the law, he became like going with the law. Without the law, without the law, you know? And I was just talking to my stream about this yesterday at the airport. Jesus Christ did the same thing in 1, Corinthians, 920 that Paul was talking about. How? Because Jesus Christ became a human being. So he came down to our level to bring us into the kingdom. You know, so I believe with different individuals, we step into a different level for them to understand. You know, there's different way I can talk to you about God than I can talk to an atheist. There's different ways I can talk to an atheist about God than I can

talk to somebody in the LGBTQ community, you know? And there's different ways of reaching them as far as even wisdom goes. Like even what I was talking to you about earlier, how you can't see God inside of a same gender situation. A lot of them don't even see that. They just like, oh, God doesn't, you know, God doesn't like me or why can't I do this? Why? Because you can't see God in it. You can't see God's nature in it. And for us to really operate in a space that God wants us to, God wants us to see his nature in the things that we're doing. Otherwise, it's just perversion, you know? So, yeah, I think it's beautiful, brother, that you came into a place where when you just let the Lord lead is when you found, you know, that was good.

Yeah. And, you know, there's, there's ridicule for everything, right? So, I mean, like, I know that there's, there's, you know, you can't make everybody happy, you know. And so I was, I was, it's funny because I was telling you over here, I was, I was socially rejected by my church family when I started this show. and you know it's funny because now I have this show going and I get socially rejected by

other people that are in the audience because you know I come out of an episode they didn't like that week or something like that it's just like you can't make anybody happy so or everybody happy so you just kind of just do what you want to do you know and I know you can identify with that with music

how like so I'm not I'm not a musician like I try tried. I just, it's not, I can't. Like, it's corny lyrics, it's bad. I tried 20 years ago. It's not it. So how do you, with your music, is there, do you ever reach a point where it's almost like, as you're writing, like a worship, worshipful thing for you? Like, like, you're, you know you're writing something that is going to impact people. And, and you find that, like, almost like, like, like, worship within that. Like, I mean, I, because I imagine, somebody who writes music that winds up being played at a church on a Sunday for worship music, there's worship in that, you know?

And there's this real, I think, connection with music and people's inner man, you know, whether you're receiving the music or maybe you're writing the music. Like, do you ever find yourself in those kind of spots where you feel like, man, this is, this is affecting me on a spiritual level more than maybe even the audience would perceive it when they hear it. Yeah, there's different songs I have, man, where it goes really in depth with the word, you know. Like I have a song called The Versions, you know, and it's really, it's really spiritual. You know what I mean? And a lot of different songs I have, I put the word in it.

Because ultimately, just because we're doing music doesn't mean we're not preaching. We're preaching through music With a beat behind it Now there's different Christians out there Who don't do that They just throw Jesus' name in it But they might as be a secular artist You know

But with With my lyrics There's different people who write me Who didn't really understand What I was saying in some songs Until they started walking with the Lord And then be like, dang I see what you're talking about now man

I can see it in the spirit Now I can see it now you know, even my father. But that's the beauty in it. Because even Yeshua spoke in parables. You get me? And it talks about how the mysteries were not meant for those outside the kingdom. In fact, the word mystery is the group are Mysterio.

It talks about an initiation. It talks about how it's not understood by the ungodly. Only to the godly is it understood. So the mysteries that were inside the parables, you the godly got them, you know, which is, which is beautiful. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm pretty sure Christ, several times expressed frustration with his own disciples from not understanding the there. It's like, well, how long do you have to be with me until you start understanding

this, you know? Right, right. Totally get it. Yeah, it even talks about how he opened the minds of the the disciples, you know, and on that, on that, in that verse where it talks about opening the minds, it talks about opening a womb, right? So if you're opening the womb, what are you putting in the womb? Luke 8.11, the seed. You're putting the seed in the womb, you know, and there's a, pregnancy happening. Hallelujah, born again from above. But it's, it takes the true word of God. As 1st Corinthians 1.1.1.1.23 says being born from incorruptible seed. Hallelujah. So truly receiving the true word of God, you're going to step into. to becoming a new creation,

which is beautiful. And now you get into a place where you start understanding more things in the Bible. You ever had somebody tell you, I don't read the Bible, I don't understand it. I don't know what he's talking about. What? Yeah.

You know, they haven't stepped into that place where... Eyes to see. Yeah. They don't have that. Yeah. You know? So it's a beautiful thing to see. That's why even a lot of Muslims

would read the Bible. one, you know, they're not tapping in. It's not opening. They're still only seeing the logos. They haven't cracked it open to see the Ramon yet. Which is beautiful, though. What does Raymond mean again? It's inside the seed.

Which is beautiful, though, because that is such a beautiful thing to see that a regular human being can't see the Bible like we can see the Bible. Those who are born again and in the kingdom, they can't see the Bible like we can see the Bible. Like, I've stepped into a place now where I read the Bible, and it feels like the Holy Spirit is translating while I'm reading it. Like, say, if I was reading English, but I was Spanish, and I can read both in Spanish and English while I'm reading it. That's how I read the Bible now. I concede in the physical and in the spiritual at the exact same time while I'm reading the scriptures. So I'm just getting filled up. I'm at dinner while I'm eating.

I'm at the wedding feast. Yeah. As the Bible put it, while I'm reading the Word of God. I'm at the wedding feast. And, yeah, so with my lyrics, a lot of different times, like, I can even listen to songs and get fed myself. Because there's different songs where the Lord was writing, you know? Even different times where I'm talking on my podcast and, like, at the end where I start talking, there's different times where I hear that and I'm getting fed myself because I'm listening to it because the Holy Spirit is moving at that point. You know, it's not like Isaiah is saying this and saying that.

Like, I'm sure, you know, even the more you start teaching it so like that, there's going to be different times where you're seeing stuff like, dang, I don't know. That's a revelation right there. You know, because the Lord is taking over at that point. So yeah, brother, I mean, there's definitely different songs where most of my songs actually, where there's a good amount of revelation in there. Did you ever hear about the, um, the, um, the, I think it's like the hurts change.

So I guess the music used to be tuned, I think it was 444 Hertz, which was like, I think like a intimate, almost like a healing frequency or something like that. And I think like the 19, I want to say the 1930s, they started tuning music to 440 Hertz,

which is more, I guess, I think like a chaotic hurts. Have you ever heard any of this? Um, because I, I, I hear that stuff and it makes me wonder how much of the just the the foundation of music in general could be improved if it was tuned to maybe a frequency that was I don't know more intent in original

original by God like I think I'm kind of waiting into an area that I don't know much about But I just, I feel like I know I've heard people talk about the frequencies and music and how they could be used for bad things and good things at the same time. I've heard people talk about different frequencies, though, like that. I haven't really like studied it out myself and nothing like that. I don't read nothing about that in the Word, you know, and people can, you know, make up different things and stuff like that. I'm not saying it's not true. I haven't really studied into it. My whole thing is what are you talking about?

You know what I mean? Like what is being said? Yeah. Because, listen, there's different metal rock Christian that I like, you know? And it's what they're saying within the song. There's different, listen, it might sound crazy. But there's different metal rock Christian that are saying more spiritual stuff than a lot of different popular Christian songs that everybody's singing.

You know? Yeah. There's some Christian songs that are popular that people are singing that aren't even really biblical. Yeah. It's just done by an artist that says their Christian. Yeah. So it's like, oh, everybody, you know, you know what I mean?

So to me, it's about like, what's being said here? What are they talking about, you know? Yeah. Because believe it or not, the enemy can infiltrate Christian music. just like the enemy infiltrates different churches. There's different churches out here who are playing secular music in their churches. There was a church

and New Year's two years ago that was playing secular music. And I did an episode of night and I slowed down the lyrics. It was talking about threesomes and stuff like that. In the church, the pastor was out there singing it and stuff like, you know what I mean?

The next day or a couple days after, he was like, well, we won these many souls. We won these souls. we, like, you won souls because people came into the altar. Like, when I truly gave my life to the Lord, it was in my bedroom, right? I came into the altar a couple different times, but that's not when I truly get my life to the Lord. Not saying people don't do that.

Of course they do. But you don't have to join the world to get the world. The word of God is strong enough. The seed of the Lord is strong enough. You get me? If you are really talking God's language, the soul is going to hear it.

Right? The sheep hear the shepherd's voice. If you're really speaking the word of God out of your pulpit, you don't need secular music. The soul in that individual is going to hear it. The soul is going to smell the fragrance of the Lord. Right? And it's going to be like, yo, what is that?

What is that? I need more of that. I want more of that. Not this secular stuff. All that's going to do is, hey, you come in church, go back into the world, and it's going to be a pattern of religion. And that's what you have a lot of different churches out here doing. It's a pattern of religion when people live their worldly life. They go to church on Sunday.

They stay there for 45 minutes. 40 of it is the pastor talking about offering. You know what I mean? And then they go back into the world and go back and forth. But they feel like they're doing something productive because they're going into a place that they call church. Well, really it's a synagogue of Satan, in a lot of these different individual places

because it's no truth in it. It may be just only prosperity teaching. There's no teaching about sin. There's no teaching about truly being submitted to God. It's just teaching about how you can do better within your individual life. Oh, the Lord says, die to yourself.

Hallelujah and follow him. Present yourself as a living sacrifice. You're not even doing that. You're living the way you want to live week after week after week and coming to church and stepping into this religious pattern. my auntie called me not too long well it was I guess it was a couple years ago now

but she was talking talking to me about how you know every Sunday she spends time with the Lord and I'm like just Sunday like how would your wife feel if you only were around her on Sunday for 45 minutes because

if you're only around that person for this amount of time every week it's not a relationship it's no relationship just a pattern at that point no intimacy I think a lot of times people get caught up in the ritualistic nature of religion. And whether they come to this understanding through the people that are teaching them or just habitual training,

they get to a point where it's like, you know, if I just do this consistently, I'm good, you know. And it's a very dangerous place to be. I think there's, I think what you're describing is an area that a lot of people wind of getting into. I mean, I know I did for many years. In fact, I had a dream. So I used to knock dreams. I used to be like, you know, don't talk to me about your dreams. I don't care, you know?

And I didn't really consider the fact of how much weight God puts into dreams, right? In the scripture. But I did have a dream when I was in my early 20s that I felt like at the time, it's like, this is demonic, this is a demonic dream. I was walking, I walked downstairs into the church I grew up in and it's a small little church. And, you know, those old churches have like the reception halls, you know. And I walk in and I go through the door and I'm in the reception hall and standing in front of me is the kitchen area with those stupid little windows, you know. And then to the left there's an office, a church office.

And then to my right is the big opening. My dad's standing there. and he has this like dead stare on his face and um hey dad what's up doesn't say he doesn't acknowledge me he's just staring and I look to my left where he's staring and that office it draws it draws real black dark and his darkness comes out of it

and now the room just like it's like almost like in a movie like it gets bigger and everything's more spaced out and I'm standing further away from the room and this black cloud comes out and these like demonic hands come crawling out of the cloud and they come to me and they grab me

and they start pulling me into that office and I'm screaming for my dad and like dad help me, dad help me just stay dead stare just staring like he's a zombie and it pulls me into that office and I wake up and like hoof that was a bad demonic dream

hopefully that doesn't happen tomorrow night and for years I was like, that's a demonic dream. That was a demonic dream. And then I have my transforming moment in my life. And I remember looking back at that. And I really felt the Holy Spirit say,

that wasn't a demonic dream. That's a dream for me. And I was telling you that you're caught up in this ritualistic routine. You go to the same church, your whole life. You use your dad as your spiritual crutch. You act like he's going to save you. He can't save you. And all of a sudden, this interpretation that I thought I had of this dream,

where it was a bad dream, there's a demonic dream. These things were coming. All that went out the window when you had the eyes of sea and the Holy Spirit says, no, actually, that was me pulling at you, showing you the path you were on. And so I say that just because it's like,

we can very easily get caught. Whether you're a Christian or not Christian, like you get caught into this path of living your life a certain way. And it's just, well, that's way it's always been. And it's always been that way, so it's right. And it's like, just because it's always been that way, it doesn't mean it's right. And, and it takes that self-examination. And the more we get close to that finish line where people start seeing, like, oh, this is such a beautiful, what you said, how it's like a dark room and any

little bit of light draws your attention. Like, that's where we're at in the timeline right now, you know? And I really feel like any little bit of light shining into a room is drawing people's attention and making them aware that, hey, this routine that I'm on may not be the best routine for the ultimate purpose here of my life and my eternity. And I just, I don't know, man, like it's been a really interesting past few years. And I feel like ever since 2020, that whole shift when everything happened in 2020, people, something clicked in humanity. And they started waking up to this, like, things aren't what we always thought they were. Like, there's this whole other reality that we're waking up to.

And ever since then, it's just been a roller coaster. Yeah, 2020, man, is, was a crazy year. And, you know, even with the riots, back then with the whole BLM riots, there was a lot of different paid activists getting dropped off different places to destroy cities. even after that with the Free Palestine Rights, even right now with the ICE riots. But I think right now a lot of people are seeing what's going on,

a lot of different cities, right? Because people will get dropped off. They get paid. They get dropped off. And they destroy cities because they're getting paid to do it. And different people in that city may see people doing this and they feel like they want to, they need to do it too because they're wavering their flag.

And, you know, it's like, okay, I need to join too because this is hidden near Deer to Home. But then you destroy your own city and these people go back to wherever they're living and comfortable. You know, it's a programming that's happening with a lot of different, you know, cities and states. But I believe people are starting to wake up now, as I can see through different videos and like, who are you? What are you doing here? You know what I mean? Like, what is this mask on you? Like, what are you?

You know, and I believe that that is the grace of God in penetrating light with, in us to see like have you not seen the pattern yet? Have you not seen what's going on yet? And that happens with a lot of different things, including what you said about the dream. Like, you're doing this pattern. You're doing this religious thing, but you need to snap out of it. And that happens with a lot of different people in churches too. They put God in a box, right?

I heard different people say I shouldn't even do music for God and stuff like that because they put God in the box. They don't believe that I should be doing music or I should be rapping about the Lord, even though there's been thousands, and I mean thousands, who have come to the Lord through my music. But it's a box, it's religion, right? And God is not to be put in a box. That's why I don't judge anyone who wants to come to the Lord, right?

Or if somebody is speaking of God, even in Philippians 118, it talks about how even if people have false motives or true motives, if they're mentioning and proclaiming the Lord's name of Jesus Christ, we should rejoice. Because of the simple fact that they're, you know, talking about the Lord. So it doesn't matter to me, man. What people look like or anything like that. I rejoice that the Lord's name is being proclaimed.

And interesting enough, you were talking about how, you know, the hands and stuff were trying to grab you within the dream. It brought me back to this memory I had like probably a year and a half ago or a witch was a witch was aster projecting over my house right? And I knew it in the spirit

and this is real life I had a choice. I feel like we could swap stories. I'm like I just go I'm just say this one I got a couple of them

but so which is ashton projecting over my house man and I could feel it in the spirit I was on a phone with my friend too when it first started happening and I was like oh wait, hold on, you know, and I had a choice. And the choice was I could be afraid or I could not be afraid

because I felt fear trying to creep up on me. But it talks about in the word how the Lord has not given us a spirit of fear, right? But also in the word it says that fear the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. However, those are two different words too as Dilea, which is the word has not given us a spirit of Dilea, which is cowardice. And when it talks about Work at Reservation with Fear and Trimmeling, it's the word Fobos.

It means like reverence that a wife has for a husband, right? So I say these things because I don't want, the word's not contradicting, right? So the Lord's not giving us a spirit of cowardice, but we should reverence the Lord. Alia. So I had a choice whether I was going to be afraid or not afraid. And interesting enough, man,

this is one of the best moments I've ever. had because I decided to really die in that moment. You get what I'm saying? And it really brought me into a space where I kind of understood my brothers and sisters who were marty for the faith back in the first couple hundred years of the church. And even now to this day, but really back in the first couple hundred years of the church, when people were getting moderate, they were getting fed to lines, they were getting stretched out.

There was different Christians who were being set on fire for different parties for different people back in those days, right? As like, it was a game. You know, they set these Christians on fire. and it's lighting up the part like crazy stuff. But it brought me into understanding a little bit of how they felt. Not much, you know, but a little bit because once you step into that place where you're dead, it's like it doesn't matter.

Like I had absolutely no fear. I started praying and I started talking to this, this witch ash projecting, like, yo, if you don't get up out of here, you know what I mean? Like, we're going to step into a place where we cut your silver cord and you can't even return to your body. And they went. Now was the last time I ever, that ever, you know what I mean? That's a real thing too.

People have to understand that the whole silver quard thing that you just suggested is a very real thing. Yeah. It's, are you familiar with Pastor Dave Bryan out in California? He basically, he's, he's ahead of a church out there. He adopted Anton LeVe's daughter. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

Yeah, yeah. And so you heard this story? Yeah. Yeah. So like the whole silver cord cutting with that thing, it's a very real thing. Yeah. So I mean, and those who are doing the astral projecting, they know it. Yeah.

So that's right we held water. That's why it's good to have knowledge on different things. Yeah. Because they, you know, a lot of people think that people are dumb. You know what I mean? But once you step into a place of really understanding different things and step into a place of knowledge and the spiritual aspect that we should be knowing these different things, Yeah.

It's like, don't mess with me. Don't come this way. You keep going straight. So I got to ask you this, man, because it's something that I've been wanting to bring up to you. I kind of hit on it a little bit in the other room before we start recording, the idea of AI. So you got like AI music, AI art, AI, this, AI that.

I was I'll tell you this for perspective maybe and to lay the foundation of this I was on YouTube and I got like 25 chickens in my house I'm like I'm trying to become a redneck once we move down here to Tennessee

and I'm getting ready to go out and take care of my chickens and I got my AirPods in I got my basket that I'm going to collect my eggs in and I see that Justin Bieber came out with a worship song. I was like, oh, let me hit this. Hit play. And I was like, this is good. I was like, man, like, dare I say, I feel the presence of God.

And I'm listening to this. And I was like, man, this is good. I said it to Joel, my friend was telling you about earlier, who is the musician in my life that I respect a lot. And I was like, dude, check this song out. dude like this is good and he texts me back and he's like that's AI and I was like no I was I was I felt so like dute on some of the levels I was like I felt like I just entered into worship and it was AI you know and so like I mean laying that that foundation I mean what what are your thoughts on AI with the music and

is it is there a role with it is there is something you can do with it that that's actually useful I mean, like, I'm over here thinking I'm hearing Justin Bieber lead me into worship, and it's not even Justin Bieber. And I'm like, yo, dude, like that kind of mess with me for like 10 minutes. I was like, how do I feel about this, you know? That's funny because I think I've seen that same song, are one of them. You know, they make a lot of different AI songs. I mean, I knew it was AI, but my initial thought was not that it was AI either.

You know, it looks so real, it sounds so real. It's like, what in the world is going? on. You know, what I think about AI is it could be a good thing and it could be a dangerous thing. You know what I mean? Pretty much like everything else. It has its negatives. It has its positives. But I can say this, right? I believe that it may get to the point where it is able to imitate everything except God. And what I mean by God is the understanding of God's word. like we were talking about earlier, the initiation process are just understanding the spiritual aspect of the scriptures,

AI is not going to be able to understand and not be able to do that. You know? Like, that is specifically the Holy Spirit in you that allows you to decode the Word of God. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. And I thought about this before.

That's funny that you brought it up. Because I thought about, I think about things like this, and it's like, it'll be able to imitate, it may be able to imitate everything. thing in the world. Maybe. Except that. It's not going to be able to do that. As we've seen

with Pharaoh, Pharaoh's magician trying to imitate Moses and Aaron, it comes to a certain point where it's not going to be able to do that. And if that happens while we're alive, we'll understand, like, say, say,

man, this is deep. Go. Say people begin to get taken over by AI. You know what I mean? And it was just AI people walking around, you know, and they looked real and they seemed real. The way we would understand who was a true brother is by understanding the revelation of God. You know what I mean? Even to this day, I mean, there's different things that I know when I meet a true brother and stuff like that.

But there's different ways that we'll understand who's who and this. He talks about this in the Word of God. You know, there was disciples amongst us when we went into this city and that city. You know, it was their understanding, you know, the new covenant, really understanding the scripture is the way Yeshua wanted us to understand the scriptures are, you know, but that's how we'll know, you know. It's almost like knowing the thumbprint. Yeah.

It's like being able to have that ID. Yeah, exactly. But AI is, you know, I use AI for. Oh, yeah. These images behind us are the AI. Yeah, man. I'm not one of the people like, I'm not going to use AI.

Yeah. No, I got a good question. A.A.A.A.I. Of course. I mean, like, so I look at it in a similar sense. I mean, you know, early 2000, late 90s, you know, there was a lot of people saying the same thing about the internet. Like, they thought it was a fad, you know?

People talk to talk about, you know, e-commerce. They're like, E-what? No. You know, and now that's what the world operates on. Things progress and change. And is the internet? evil. Certain parts of it is real evil, you know? And are there demons in the internet? Yeah. Yeah,

there's definitely demons in the internet, you know? Um, so I think it's, it's, it's all about how it's being used for sure. Uh, but I do think it's there, there's, there's caution to be had with AI and how much, uh, you allow it to be integrated into, uh, your spiritual existence, which is something that I, had been, uh, a little fearful of, um, with, um, with pastors and just anybody really, just like, and that kind of goes back to the idea of knowing the word, knowing the thumbprint of your maker. AI is going to be handy.

But at some point, and you said maybe in our lifetime, I think probably tomorrow. I'm very concerned about the sentient nature of AI. and the ability that it could have to trick people and not trick them in a malicious way. It was like, oh, let me get them away from God, but having its own agenda. Our robot.

Yeah. And like your faith is not part of its agenda. So when you come to it about your faith, what is it going to say? and how is it going to spend things in a beautiful way that's like, that, that is biblical, but it's not because of, because you don't know because you're not reading. Right. You're not, you're not letting that soak into your spirit.

So my pastor brought this up probably like a year or two ago. It's just some passing. Because I know, so I walk into my church for the first time here, and I meet the pastor, and he tells me he subscribes my channel. So I knew I found my church. I was like, okay, this is it. but he's so I I know he kind of jives but like he doesn't want to go too far at the pulpit right but he did bring up he was like you know even our apps on our phone he's like why why is your

Bible app need to have so many updates to it and it's like I was like that's a good question now you know there's software days I somebody who has an app I understand that there's there's software updates that need to be made continually in fact owning an app is a nightmare so anybody considering do it don't do it it's a nightmare because once you open that box you you can't play it away. Everybody expects an app. But, like, under that understanding, I think there is a world where the more we integrate AI into everything, including our Bible apps and things like that, it could easily send out updates. And now all of a sudden, the conspiracy theory of the Mandela effect is actually real. Like, it's like, all of a sudden, it's like, whoa, it used to say this. And it's like, no, you're actually right on this one.

Like, yeah, it did used to say that. And it doesn't. And I can tell you for a fact because I read it a million times that I can recite it to you. right and so recently because i have a really really bad memory it's probably partly because i'm stretched so thin mentally like i mean until derrick was hired two weeks ago my manager like everything had to go through me and it was just like you're stretched so much like it i noticed that my brain just stopped working like it used to like i couldn't remember things and so um one of my goals that i'm having that's kind of coming up in the last two weeks is i want to start memorizing scripture, like intentionally just going in and memory. Because I have a thing where when I start reading, I dwell a lot, which I don't think it's a bad thing. But like, it does prevent you from

learning all of scripture in a sense that like I'll read like a chapter or two for like a week or two. Like it's, I don't know if that's like OCD or what, but like I just comb over and comb over and comb over it. It's the same thing with music. I do the same thing with music. I'll listen to No More Witches over and over and over again because it's just like it's just catch. just my ear and it just goes. So with this new phase that I have with business, I'm trying to kind of retrain some things with my habits. And one of the things I want to do is start memorizing scripture, not just verses, but I want

to start memorizing chapters. And once I get into, once I memorize chapters, I want to memorize books. And I think it's like a, from the outside looking at it, it's a crazy goal. But I think that when I talk about my lifetime here, it's not crazy at all. I think, in fact, I remember when I was younger, I, I've met a girl who, I forget what book it was, but she memorized the entire book and could recite it to you and recall things from,

just pick it out verses and stuff. And I'm like, kind of want to do that. And it seems impossible to me right now, right? But it's something I want to do. And to take it straight back to what I started on, that's why I'm real big on having physical Bibles. Like, I have tons of physical Bibles

because I'm like, it can't be changed by AI. For sure. Yeah, you know, there's different. Rabbis who memorize the Old Testament, you know, even Muslims. There's different Muslims who memorize the Hukuran, you know. So it's not impossible at all.

Yeah. It all depends on your dedication. To be honest, I heard this kid who memorized all of John. He said the whole thing. It's on video. It's on YouTube. I mean, you could probably find it. A kid memorizes chapter of John.

He just says the whole thing through the whole video. It's mind-blowing, you know. But I think that it's good that you spend a lot of times on certain chapters. You know, what I don't think is good is when people just rush through reading and don't even like understand or don't even pay attention and don't even remember what they even, you know. I think that's really good. Sometimes I spend a lot of time on a couple chapters too.

it makes me that's where I came into understanding that where my mind is on things because I can I realize that I can tell you the gist of something without telling you word for word and that's what bothers me

it bothers me that I can't at the drop what I'm talking about tell you exactly what it says it's like like for instance I did it earlier like Mark 4 or 5 I can tell you what those chapters are about but I can't recite those chapters and I want to get to the point where I can recite those chapters and tell you what it's about clearly

but like I just feel like having that written on my heart kind of thing it's becoming a life goal of mine it's been something I've been aware of for a while so but I'm just like in the beginning of stages of this season where I'm just like really starting to let go of things business wise and letting other people take the reins on things

which is hopefully going to allow me to breathe mentally and be able to take in things But anyways, I brought all that up because of the AI. I just, I wasn't, I wasn't sure what you thought about it because I just, I'm in agreements with you. I feel like there's, there's tremendous amount of tools that you can use with AI, helpful tools. Like, I no longer sound like an idiot when I write my emails, you know?

Like, they used to say, I wanted this guy ever graduated high school, you know? Now they're like, it sounds like he's a doctorate. Yeah, you know? Yeah, my brother sent me a work thing the other day. And he was like, check out my work plan. And I was reading and I'm like, bro, just, did you say hi? There's a whole lot of like asterisk on it and so like that. And I'm like, bro, this is he like, yeah.

I was like, bro, you got to delete the extra stuff. But I think it's good, but it's bad. as far as that, because now you've got a lot of different kids only using AI. People grow up dumb because they don't, they're not learning anything. They're just using AI and, you know, it's kind of like GPS. Like back in the days, we knew a lot more streets. And if we got lost in somewhere, we'd probably be able to find out of way back home. Now, since I moved to Texas, I'm in, you know, I got to put my GPS to get down the street.

That's all I did come here, right? Like, I made the wrong turnout at the airport. And I was like, oh, man, I had to find out of the airport. put the address in to get here. I didn't know. Yeah, he's out there. You got wrong

X, wrong free way. Yeah, man, but it takes away our ability to learn or even our, um,

our willingness list, our willingness to learn. Because it's at our fingertips. It's so easy to access. And it's like, I could just put it in right here. I don't even care. Yeah.

That's why now I try, like, even when I'm using GPS, to look at the streets myself and look at the corners of myself. to try to remember it even when using GPS. Yeah. Because I want to know, like if I, like if my phone die, it's over.

I'm not to sleep in my car. For sure. For sure. I don't want that. I don't want that headache. Yeah. No, it's, it's a terrible thing. Like when I first moved here, I didn't know anything, obviously.

And that's when I started realizing how dependent I was on GPS. I went out and I bought a, like, the trucker in me came out. I went and I bought maps of Knoxville, Nashville, East Tennessee. I, if you guys, when we, when I drive you back to the airport today, if the back seat in my back seat, you'll see like an orange map that's hanging out there. It's one, I don't know what it is, but I just start stuffing them everywhere. I'm like, here, I give my wife a map. She's like, I don't know how to read.

I'm like, just take it. Wow. But yeah, man, the world's, the world's changing. The world's changing. And, you know, I don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's just we need to be cautious with how we allow it to affect us in our personal walks with our maker. But it's a tremendous opportunity as well.

We live in a world now where the connectedness of it. It's just really, it's just people with lack of ability to be flexible. Anybody who's complaining about it kind of thing, really, like we're not saying it's not a problem or it couldn't be a problem, but like you got to be flexible. Like you have to be able to be bending with certain things. Like not your faith, the foundations of your faith. Absolutely not. I tell everybody this all the time.

Like, you could present to me the most logical thing in the world that says that Christ is not the son of God. I'm still going to just be like, that's stubborn. I ain't hearing that. I ain't here for it, you know? But there's other things that, like, flexibility, like, you were born into flexibility. Like, I mean, there's so many people that are 25 years old right now that were born in the year 2000 that do not know a world before the complete access of Internet. You were born into that flexibility where the generation before you

thought it was the end of the world. Right. And so I think it's important to keep things in perspective. You know, what I believe is happening to the world is what I was talking about earlier when I was saying that

there's different, like on a podcast, are different times where I'm saying maybe even in the scriptures we're talking about being handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh. That's what's happening to the world. The world is getting darker

and darker, but with that darkness, people are coming to light. There's a lot of different people, especially young people who are coming to God right now. I didn't see when I was in my early 20s. You know, I didn't see people running to the Lord like that. I didn't see, you know, and that was just heading into bad darkness. Now we're like in here. It's here. You know, we're up in here.

Like, where are you at? Stuck in the mud. You know, but that's causing a lot of them people to come out, you know? And even different podcasts like this that pop up and different things that I'll be doing on the Internet. It's popping up for different people. And it's the Lord showing different individuals who are looking for that light. You know, so I, people may look at the stuff that's going on as bad as a bad thing, but I don't look at it as a bad thing.

I look at it as a good thing, highly. Because what that darkness, you're going to find light. I don't like when it's just halfway dark or are not really dark, but you can still kind of see. Like, I want it really so you can really see the light. You know what I mean? And I believe it's there,

and it's even getting even worse and worse. And more people are going to come to the light. I agree. I agree. You know, speaking of coming to the light, you came to the light. No, I'm just kidding. I was really surprised to see how this all kind of came together, which, by the way, I'm terrible with laying out conversations, interviews.

I just start talking to people and see where it goes. So I'm sure the listening audience, like, you know, I wish you would do a better job formatting. It's not fun for me then. But the way this all kind of came together was you did a reaction video to the interview I did with Nathan Reynolds. And, you know, I was like, what? Why is like, I was like, I was, I was just taken back.

I was like, and I actually, when I, when I saw it, I didn't even hit play at first. I just, I just, I was like, uh-uh, I ain't doing that because I was like, I like this guy's music way too much to find out that he's bashing me right now. Oh, man. That's what I, that's what I, that's my assumption was. I was like, he's on here, rapping bad about Nate, saying Nephlam ain't real or something. and I ain't here for that right now. You know, like, I was like, no, I'm going to listen to his music real quick and make sure I like him still, you know? But so you did a reaction video to Nathan's video.

The first one we did, him and I, and then the second one. And so I don't know what the order is of how things are going to roll out for the audience, but I just had him in here last week for a third recording, which I think is the best one we've done. And how did that whole thing come together for you? Because that's honestly, like how you and I got connected. Right. Well, a sister in Christ, John to Taylor,

who I actually never even met, but we've been, you know, family in the spirit for a good while. You know, same spirit, you know. She sends me different things here and there, a lot of different supernatural stuff. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I know when she's sending the video,

it's going to be something crazy. Yeah. But she sent me something, she sent me something a couple years ago about Nephilim over there in Antarctica and that was crazy. So when she sent me this, I was like, well, what in the world is this? So she was like, oh my gosh, watch it.

Let me know what you think. This is crazy. And I was like, all right. So I started watching it. And then when I seen him, when I see Nathan, excuse me, say the devil's name,

I was like, oh, shoot, we need to do a reaction video. You know what I mean? Because a lot of people don't talk about the devil like that, you know? Hello? Yeah, they don't, they don't use that type of terminology. Yeah. No, they don't go back to that type of language.

They stick in English. So when you were saying that, I was like, okay, we're going to have to do a reaction video because this is automatically I was like, okay, this, this may be real. So that's when I was like, I stopped it and I think I got some food because I knew I've seen how long it was. We're about to be here for a second. Yeah. And then, yeah, I did a really.

reaction video, man. And interesting enough, a lot of people liked it. You know, even on TikTok, I put it on my TikTok. Well, I put only an hour long on my TikTok. Oh, you can do an hour on TikTok? Yeah. Jeez. Yeah, I think it has like almost two million views on TikTok. Wow. Hour long. That's awesome. Yeah, man. So that type of stuff, brother, I'm glad that you do that on here because a lot of people don't do shows like that. They don't understand how real it is. But even just seeing that people come into a place of realization, like, wow, this stuff is real. People really go through this type of stuff. People really grow up like this, you know?

Yeah. And it's really hidden in the dark. But with different people like Nathan, and I respect it because he comes out and talks about it. There's different people who come out and talk about it too, but they don't really necessarily have a platform like on your podcast. Yeah. You know, but it's definitely real. So it's good that you're giving a platform to individuals like that to actually speak their truth and get what's actually going on what's hidden out there into the public. Yeah.

And that's honestly, man, like, I feel like that's basically the foundation of the show is letting people share their story. You know what I mean? And I guess I've just gotten used to it over the years. I mean, when I first started, people were like, watch out for the trolls. I'm like, ain't nobody going to troll me. It's just a podcast What are you talking about? I even know what a troll was

Like what is that And then it started happening And I guess it just got used to Taking the bullets, you know? And you're just like I'm not going to I really came to the understanding I'd say probably about five years ago

That it's just like you're not going to please everybody And every time I put out an episode Somebody's going to hate it Somebody's going to have a problem with it And if that's the case And why am I so worried about Everybody's opinion on things if I know I'm going to irritate them

no matter what. And that was like a slow percolation of progression to where we're at today where I just, you know, I just, you know, over time, like I was telling you on the truck over here, it's just like over time you hear so much stuff that like your paradigm has been shifted so much. You just don't really worry about making an episode

where people are like, that is impossible. It's like, don't tell me that's impossible. Because remember episode so-and-so? We thought that was not. impossible and that turned out to be true. And that's kind of how I've approached things. I mean, I guess the building block, I'm writing a book right now. It's going to, well, I don't want to get in details, but part of one of the building blocks of this whole mindset that I have is an episode we came out last October. I held on to that recording for three years because for three years I was trying

to track it down because there was breadcrumbs with it that I could pull at. And I did. I track things down. and I was able to confirm some stories that multiple witnesses through this crazy event and I was like if this is true like it shifts everything in my mind it shifts everything

and not in a bad way not at all well I mean the story's not good but it really woke me up to the activity of the supernatural realm and how that affects us now right

and it made it tangible. And I started having people reaching out to me before this episode aired, like three-year period of time where I have this story. Nobody else has a story, yet I had people reaching out to me with stories that were very similar to this one. And, you know, people are saying, you know, hey, I know this is going to sound crazy. But when I was a kid, I was recruited by an entity to work for it. And it's like, hold on a second. looking at the date. I'm like, yeah, I haven't released that episode yet. You know, and you start, and I'm talking a lot, a lot, all over the world. Right. Some are very centralized locations.

I had, in fact, Nathan Reynolds last week. Hmm. That's part of his story. Wow. And, and I just, for me, when you get, when I, when I got my hands on certain stories that I, as far as I've been able to, to prove that I can, are true. Like, all of a sudden, you're just like, yeah, I'm not really worried about this guy on YouTube who doesn't think that, that giants ever existed. Like, bro, I'm sorry. Like, I'm so far beyond trying to prove to you that these little, in my mind, little things that are real because, like, I'm so far, like, into this acknowledgement that,

like, there is a real war going on around us. Right. And honestly, like, the show has changed so much over the last. eight going on nine years, I don't think that this is the end of the road for the show as far as where we land on the theme of the show. It's just right now it's been a progression to this point where it's like, okay, now we're at this point where it's undeniable. We need to acknowledge the fact that there is an absolute spiritual war and there is good and evil. And they are literally trying to seek your destruction. Right. And if you start living your life every day

acknowledging your feet hit the floor, there's an enemy that wants to take my head today, act accordingly. Like, that's how I've been living my life the last couple years, you know? And it's just, it's, it's wild, man. I don't even know how I got on that, but here we are. No, that's, that's very true. You know, the first couple years, when I, like, you know, was just speaking truth, bad comments really got to me.

You know what I mean? Because it's like you get a thousand good comments and this is one bad comment. It's like, oh, what in the world is he talking about? You know what I mean? They eat you up. Yeah. But like the last couple of years,

it doesn't really affect me. In fact, if it's disrespectful, I just block them. Like, my block finger is tough. I mean, I got to, you wouldn't even believe on any pages of block people. But because disrespectful, it could be bad seeds for different people in the comments because a lot of people be gullible

and I'm like, I'm not about to let that happen on my comments section or on my platform. You know, if you just don't believe or if you just this and that, then, you know,

you have, you're entitled to your opinion. Yeah. Once you step into a disrespectful place, that's completely different. So, yeah, I mean, but at the end of the day,

it doesn't matter. If it's true, it's true. Mm-hmm. You know, people didn't, a lot of people didn't believe, uh,

the Lord. You know what I mean? And, even down to until he until he rose again. You know what I mean? You got different people wanting to put their hands their hands through the hose

like this round, wait a minute. Took that. Like, hey, I'm here. Yeah. You're right. Yeah, so it is. I don't even, it doesn't even affect me

no more like they used to. So, I'm looking at the clock here. We should probably wind it down because our day is a little on the shorter end. What time is the, Your flight leaves at 515, and I just want to make sure that we're not rushed screaming

on the last minute. But I brought this whole topic up with Nathan, right? And you brought up your friend who sends you the crazy stuff, right? Which I'm a big fan of her. But with the stuff that I talk about on my show, a lot of, like right now, it's spiritual warfare, heavy on the AI stuff, trying to think of other stuff. But there's other things that we stem from the history of the show,

which was a lot of people's experiences with different creatures and things like that that theoretically shouldn't exist. As somebody who comes from, what part of California? Los Angeles. Los Angeles. Okay, so you're from L.A., you moved to Houston. Tell me, what do you think about Bigfoot? I mean, not much.

I never really, I never really did study on Bigfoot. Nothing like that. Yeah, I've never really looked into it too much. So I bring it up because there's a place north of you called the Big Thicket. It's east of Tennessee or east of Dallas. It's known for crazy stuff happening like that in that area. I've talked to a lot of people who've had experience. I had a friend who had a log thrown at his head while he was out there.

Like, I'm not kidding you. And so, like, and I bring this up because I think we often think about, like, houses being haunted and, you know, people inviting things into their home, demonic influences into their home. I don't know if we often think about that aspect of forest being haunted and what could have happened in these geographical locations that spawned such super. natural negative things to be having demonic things happening. And so like my friend who had a log thrown at his head and stuff, like that sounds, if you're if you're not thinking Bigfoot in the middle of woods, that sounds like classic poltergeist activity, you know? And so I know, I figured you don't think much about Bigfoot, but I brought it up because

I wanted to, I wanted to bring that to your attention and anybody else is really, this is like, you know, I think the lines get blurred a lot. It's like we tend to, oh, Bigfoot, shut it down. And it's like, hold on, hold on. There's actual teeth to this, you know, that people are experiencing things around that idea that really could be happening and they're identifying as Bigfoot. Or maybe they're really actually seeing a giant hairy creature in the woods.

And that itself could be some kind of manifestation of a metaphysical creature that transcends realms. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't knock anything, brother. I mean, I'm not opposed to anything. I've seen one time this video of these two witches eating a deer that they caught on video in darkness and pure darkness, eating a deer, they thought it was something else.

And I actually seen the video of it, you know? And it's like, what in the world? Women eating an animal on the ground. So I don't knock anything. And, yeah, people may just say it's big foot, but it may be a big creature. That's just a name that they put to it. Maybe anything else.

But I know, I'm not one to knock anything like that's not true or nothing like that. Always going to my own research and study to show myself approved, whatever it is, you know. You'll come to hunt big food with me? I don't know about hunting. Come on, man. We'll go to Big Big Big Big. Get together. I've been wanting to go there.

We in a tank. I will go. Oh, man. I, it's one of my favorite pastimes. I'll run around the woods at night and see what happens. That's crazy. I got three documentaries on it. Oh, my goodness.

But, yeah, man, listen, I appreciate you coming in and talking with me and stuff. I just, it was a unique opportunity when you, when you, when I saw that you were doing a reaction video to Nathan, I was like, man, if this isn't an open door to see if I could talk to him, I don't know what is, you know? And so I was very happy that there was a receptive nature to coming up here and talking with me. So I appreciate it. For sure, man. Appreciate you having me, man. This is a, even the storm collision stop it. So, you know, I appreciate you having us, man.

It was definitely a great situation. Cool, man. I appreciate it. Yeah.