The Confessionals - 778: The Devil's Deception Exposed

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

What if the enemy’s greatest tactic is making God’s power look counterfeit? Prophetic gifts, healing, divine authority, and truths once rooted in scripture have been twisted into controversy, silenced by fear, and dismissed as deception. When the church stays quiet, counterfeit voices speak louder, luring the desperate with distorted echoes of what was once holy. This is the story of stolen inheritance, spiritual war, and the awakening of those brave enough to take back their inheritance. Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyMiriam Evans:Instagram | Website | Newest BookLarry Sparks:Instagram | Website | Books CONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ImposterYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just your weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. Merkel. Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me.

And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant moves, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitate him. Pricer, got closer, got spars him. when he got about 15 yards away by his head of.

I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small, gray, and fatigue cooling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush, and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals Podcast.

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I want to let you know that this coming Sunday on August 3rd, a familiar face to the show, Joseph Jordan. We just did a reloaded episode of his yesterday. He is going to be in Knoxville speaking at South Knoxville, Knoxville Church of God. That's South Knoxville Church of God. If you're not familiar with Joseph Jordan, he is a Mufant investigator that actually became a Christian and started documenting people's abduction cases and how they were stopping them with the name of Jesus. He gives a whole talk about this and provides a lot of evidence. And he's going to be speaking at South Knoxville

Church of God this coming Sunday at 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. So if you're a local to the Knoxville area, you want to come out and meet Joseph Jordan and hear him speak about his findings in his research. Check it out, South Knoxville, Church of God, this coming Sunday, August 3rd, 2025. All right, today we have Miriam and Larry on the show. Miriam Evans and Larry Sparks, and they come on today's show, and they sit down with me to talk about the unseen war over the supernatural, how spiritual truths have been hijacked, twisted, and repackaged into counterfeits. We dive into a lot of real stories of healing, deliverance, and prophecy, and explore what it looks like to actually reclaim the authority God intended for his people. This episode's all about

exposing the counterfeit, stepping into the real, and remembering who the power truly belongs to. Let's get to Miriam and Larry right now. All right. Today we have Miriam and Larry in studio. How are you? Doing well. Thanks for having you. I'm glad you guys are here. I should say Miriam Evans and Larry Sparks. Yeah. So is it safe to say you guys are representing Destiny Image today? Is that, is that what we're doing. Well, I would say I'm, I'm publisher of Destiny Image. I've done that for 13 years, but our families travel together. We've done that like half a decade traveling and doing revival meetings. So, but you have authored several books with Destiny Image. Yes, yes. Yeah. So how many books do you have with Destiny? So combined, my husband and I have four. Okay. Yes. So two solo book,

I have one solo book. He has a solo book and then two that we wrote co-authored together. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. And the most recent one is called. is decrees that activate the gifts of the Holy Spirit is the latest one. Yeah. And what are people going to get with that book? So it's more devotional style. And so we really mentor people on the gifts of the Holy Spirit according to 1 Corinthians chapter 12, what they are and how we can use them in our day to day life, unlocking the gifts of the Holy Spirit that have been given to us when we receive salvation in Jesus. So we walk through that with people and we also give them biblically based decrees. And we base our decrees on the scripture

in Job that says if you decree a thing, it will be established for you. So we really believe that a lot of things that the Bible says that we can have our inheritance, it is sometimes voice activated. And it is important that we use our words and we begin to declare what God says is ours. So I can read one for an example for the audience if you would like. So, for instance, day 14 is operating in the gift of discernment. And so we talk about Hebrews 514, what God says about that particular gift that people can read. And then we give some insights on that gift, some examples. We tell stories of how God used us in the operation of a particular gift.

For instance, this would be the gift of discernment. And then based on scripture, we create declarations. So here's a declaration. Just read it. Yeah. I recognize God's truth in every situation. Therefore, I am free and I minister freedom to others. And then I'll read one more.

It says, God's word is a light to my path that exposes darkness and lies. Wow. And then we also add a daily risk that people can do, and that's where the activation piece comes in. Okay. is that we give them a daily risk to do that day that will give us action steps. Okay. To make this scripture move from theory to actual reality, like a manifestation. It's like, oh, it goes from head knowledge to actually doing, backing it out.

Correct. So I've been noticing the idea of decrees a lot recently. And it's something that's new to me. maybe this question for either one of you. What is, like, when you're talking about decrees, I've been seeing a lot in this, like, the Christian authorship realm. What is a decree and why would it be important? Let's bust the myth on this, because this can be very controversial to some.

Particularly people who would be saying, well, you're just trying to name it and claim it. Oh, okay. So decree, because you've written the books, I unapologetically publish books on decrees when they are in agreement with the word of God. A lot of people pray a lot of if it be thy will prayers. Lord, if it be your will. But the word of God, when you study scripture, clearly tells us God's will on a whole lot of things. So, yeah, there's certain things.

Who do I marry? What's the job? Where do I go locationally? If it be thy will is an appropriate way to pray. But we're quite convinced biblically when it comes to healing, deliverance, freedom, operating in the gifts of the Spirit. Scripture makes it clear. It's God's will.

So rather than praying a petitionary, well, Lord, if it be your will, we shift from petition to, no, the word of God says this is mine, because Holy Spirit lives inside of me. So I'm going to announce it instead of ask for it. So what would you add to? I would say that when we receive Jesus,

we receive His Spirit within us. And so sometimes those gifts can be in us, but they're just lying dormant. Okay. And so I really believe that our book will take the gifts of the Holy Spirit that are lying dormant within us and actually give us a roadmap, if you will, on how to manifest the gifts of the Spirit through us and even to the world around us. Yeah. So I think decrees is like a bridge to manifest the gifts of the Spirit.

Like Larry said, you know, there's different types of prayers. There's petition prayers. But there's also prayers of decree. Yeah. And the Bible is really clear. I mean, you look at even just in Genesis from the beginning of time, all of creation, everything was created by a decree when Jesus said, let there be light. And so he began to create the world. And so I believe that we can create our world. We can create worlds through our words, what we decree, what we say. You know, the Bible says that life and death is in the power of the tongue. And so people can speak words of death and curses. But then through the Holy Spirit, God wants to be. us to speak words of life, words of blessing that begin to shape our reality in our world around us. Oh, that's okay. So I traditionally, when I, you know, growing up praying and stuff, has always been like, you know, Lord, if you feel like it. Right. Yeah. I don't want to bother you.

But if by chance you have time. And so this is kind of taking, taking your prayer walk to a level of understanding the authority that you carry into the prayer, your prayer life, right? Yeah, totally. That's right on. Awesome. Yeah, I think it definitely shows, you know, sometimes people call these affirmations. You know, there's been a lot of studies, I guess, go out. I don't have a quote in front of me of where, but where they're talking about, okay, like,

if you affirm yourself every day, look at yourself in the mirror and say, I am powerful, I am beautiful, I am strong. How we begin to act differently. We begin to behave differently based on what we say. Well, I'd like to propose that that's actually a biblical concept. You know, Romans 12 says that we are transformed by the renewing of our mind. And so sometimes our mind is renewed when we speak things, when we affirm and declare things, even if we don't physically feel like it, even if I don't feel smart, if I don't feel smart,

if I don't feel like I know what to do in my current situation, God's word says that I've been given a gift of wisdom by the Holy Spirit. So by faith, I'm going to make a declaration and affirmation over myself that I have been given the mind of Christ. Again, I'm not just making up whatever I want to say. It's based in the Word of God. And so I take what the Word of God says, and I'm like, I need wisdom right now. So I'm going to look in Scripture.

I'm going to look and see what my inheritance is through Jesus. And he says that I have been given the mind of Christ. And so we started building declarations from the word and making them personal and speaking them over ourselves. And we've seen fruit. And I'll tell you the fascinating thing with this, there's been a lot of books written on the theology of the gifts of the spirit. What are they?

You know, the nine gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12 and then 14. But what I love about this book that Tommy and Miriam put together is knowing them as friends, I call them practitioners of revival. Because there's people who, you know, I'm a theologian. I'll give you theology about the Holy Spirit. Of course, we're all called to be practitioners. But I love the fact that they train other people in walking in the gifts and the power of the spirit. It's not just for like the super spiritual person on the stage or even back in the day you had healing evangelists.

And honestly, just to say this, I think. think, you know, whether it's Oral Roberts, Catherine Coolman, the names that people think of when they think of healing evangelists, their job was never meant to do the healing work so that everyday believers felt like they didn't have to do that. I believe there's a dynamic of training other believers to walk in the healing power of Jesus or the gifts of the spirit. So I think where this book, honestly, the book became a top 10 bestseller on Amazon, like of all books, not just the charismatic Pentecostal thing. But I think it's because what happens is people, Christians feel like, okay, I've got the Holy Spirit inside of me. There's clearly information about the gifts of the Spirit.

But between the declarations and between the daily risks they have in there, people feel like there's something I can do to actually start flowing in the gifts of the Spirit as opposed to just knowing. I go from knowing to flowing. Yeah. And you mentioned about how, I guess maybe I forget how you said about perception of what this is versus what what it actually is. And I think that there's a hijacking that happens and a lot of times

people will say things like oh, well, well that, what you're doing is, you know, I don't know, new agey or something. But I mean, and maybe sometimes it is, right? But like, depending on what we're talking about. But I think that there's

a clear pattern of these demonic forces. is hijacking what God has already established and just going wild with it. And then we're on the other side of this receiving end where people are receiving the hijacking and then identifying anything that is biblical as, oh, well, that's evil because. And it's like, well, actually, the enemy hijacked at the begin with is actually God's design. Yeah, you're right on. I think I've gotten on a soapbox about that.

Like, it's like if the church, I'm talking about the body of Christ, if we are silent on what Jesus has paid for through the death, burial, and resurrection, if we are silent on what he is provided for us, healing, salvation, deliverance, freedom, pulling us out of poverty and into abundance. You know, he said, I came to give life and life in abundance, but the devil came to still kill and destroy. So there's a difference. And so if we're silent, someone else is going to fill that vacuum. There's a counterfeit voice that is going to begin to be speaking. And if the counterfeit voices are the only one speaking, then you get people who are hungry for a miracle, hungry for a breakthrough, hungry for something to shift in their life. They've tried everything and nothing's working.

And they're searching for something real. They're searching for something to pull them out of the pit they're in. And if the counterfeits are the only one speaking, then they're going to be led into darker and darker pits. It's going to get worse. But if we rise up and we're speaking and we're saying, wait, wait, wait a minute. Actually, this was God's idea first. And that was twisted and perverted and it's a counterfeit and hijacked, as you mentioned. No, actually, it's biblical to see people get raised from the dead.

It's biblical to see demons cast out of homes, lands, and people. It's all biblical. How can you be mad at that, too? I had Mike Signorelli on the show a couple years ago, and he was talking about being in some other country and one of the people he was ministering with when they were in a hospital and somebody had died. And I don't want to put words in his mouth,

but I feel like he alluded to the idea that even in that moment, he wasn't the one initiating this act of faith because it was almost like he didn't really have that. But whoever he was ministering with walked into a room with a dead person had been dead for hours and started praying over that person, the person rose from the dead. Wow. And it's like, you know, there are people who will block at those kind of things and whether they

say, you know, they go from anywhere from the doubt side of things, say, oh, that's fake, somebody's trickery to, you know, you're not supposed to be doing those kind of things. It's like, well, if you're praying in the name of Jesus and the person raises from the dead, how can you get mad at that? Like, when I miss is something here, you know, like, are we supposed to pray in the name of Jesus and not expect things to happen? Is that the key to the Christian faith? Is that we're supposed to just pray in the name of Jesus, but do not have anything happen because that's stepping, that's overboard. It's like, hold on.

Like, we're not in control of what actually happens here. We're praying the name of Jesus. And if God decides to raise a person from the dead, I didn't do that. Yes. Yes. We're giving him glory. Yeah. What we were talking about before in the other room, it's like, you know, there aren't magic words for healing. Because I was telling you guys with Lindsay, like, I was really kind of getting caught up and like, man, am I just not saying it right? You know? And it's like, no, there's not this magic formula blueprint of words to say.

It's literally the command to pray. And then he does. You know, it's not. really my job to decide when that happens or how it happens. It's just my job is to do what I was told to do, which is to pray. And then he's the one that does everything else. And I think that this idea that, you know, human beings are doing things and, you know, they're the ones creating these miracles and stuff. That's the hijacking. The perception is being hijacked. And I mean, certainly there's that aspect of things. I mean, we see in the Old Testament the sorcerers that Pharaoh had, keeping up with the miracles to a certain point. To a certain level. And as far as I can see, there's no suggestion that that was trickery. I believe that that was actual sorcery happening.

And so, and we hear stories from all of the world, you know, witch doctors that supposedly raised people from the dead. Like, there's real dark power out there. And if that power is operating, In my simplistic mind, I'm like, well, certainly God can operate that too, right? Does that make sense? It does. Yeah. Yeah, there's a story that comes to mind. We had a friend.

So speaking on the gifts of the Holy Spirit and counterfeits, you know, we trained teams, what we called healing teams and prophetic teams. Teams that will come in, we invite the sick to come, and they'll just pray for them, according to scripture. Pray for their healing. We trained people up. And at that time, we saw deaf ears open, blind eyes open. And people would give, like, testimony, meaning they would tell their story.

They prayed for me in my deaf ear opened. And one lady came in and said, yeah, they prayed for me. And then when I went to my next doctor's appointment, I was cancer-free. So she was sharing this on her Facebook. And someone, like, from a different part of the Metroplex, came in and said, oh, wow, well, my wife's just been diagnosed with cancer. answer and we don't really even believe in what you're saying, but we're desperate. And so they brought his wife. So stories like that. But one story that I want to tell in great

detail is we also put together prophetic teams where we train people how to prophesy, how to tell people what is God saying about your current situation. Now, some would say, well, I'm going to go to a medium or I'm going to go to a psychic to tell me my future or I lost a loved one. And I just want to know, like, are they with me? Or I, you know, different things like that. Again, that's counterfeit, something that has been stolen. So we have a friend that was on our prophetic and healing teams. And she was at the store. And behind her, there was a couple of guys having a conversation. And she overheard one of the gentlemen saying, yeah, I need to go see my psychic. It's been a while. And I need to go, well, she turns around and she said, oh, you don't want to do

that. That's going to open up a lot of mess in your. life and let me take you to the real. Let me take you to the real thing. And she brought him to what we called at the time a prophetic booths where people, we trained them to prophesy to hear what God wants to say for their life. And they just sit and have literally like five to eight minutes. And they sit down and the person in front of them doesn't know anything about them. They pull out their smartphones to record what the person's about to say. and they just pray for them and prophesy to them and bless them and tell them the Heavenly Father's heart for them and what God says about their current situation and about their future.

So she knew we were having prophetic booths that particular evening. So she turned around and looked at the gentleman and said, why don't you come with me? I'm, you know, I can meet you. I can drive you. Like she was older. So she has like this mama bear heart. And she's like, just, you know, like I'll take you. I'll give you the address. Well, he came, surprisingly. He came and he sat down at the booth and the two individuals in front of him just begin to tell him what God thought. God's thoughts for him.

According to Jeremiah 29-11, the thoughts and the plans that I have for you are not to harm you, says the Lord, but to give you a hope and a future. And so that's the basis of prophecy, right? And so they're telling them the good that God's put in them and all the things. He's so encouraged. He's like, I've never heard anything like this before. We'll come to find out he was not a Christian and he actually was a witch. And his friends were witches. And all he knows is like covens and psychics and mediums and all the things.

So in this conversation, they end up leading him to Jesus. He gives his life to Jesus. He renounces witchcraft. He turns away from it. He gets prayer. And after the prophetic booths, my husband and I were hoping. hosting like a meeting where we preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demon, like just be led of the gifts. Do the stuff. Do the stuff. We preach the gospel and we operate in a demonstration

of the Holy Spirit's gifts. And so after the prophetic boost, he's like, yeah, I'll stay for the service. And so he stayed and he heard the gospel and he came up again up to the front when we called, hey, if anybody wants to give their life to Jesus and if you want to be filled with the Holy Spirit. And so he came up and he did that. And so it was really incredible. Well, About a week or two later, he gets in this horrible accident. And there was just like this battle, I believe, for his life. He gets in a horrible accident and a car accident, to be specific. He goes to the hospital and he needs surgery.

But not only that, from the top of his hip all the way down to his ankle, not only is he in a brace, but there's like pins. You can see the physical pins outside in the brace where they're going into his leg. I don't even know the proper term for that, but it had destroyed his legs. So he was in the hospital. And my friend, the lady that originally met him at the store when she turned around and invited him, you know, she was keeping up with him. And he called her and he said, please pray for me. I've been in this horrible accident. Well, she said, we're having, you know, pastors Tommy and Miram, they're having a miracle service tonight.

We got everything going here. Yes. Yes. And this was too exciting. Yes. The father, the love of God was pursuing him. You're actually right. And so I'm thinking more along the line. She texted me. She told me I'm like, well, maybe he can watch live stream. Is he still in the hospital? I'm asking questions. She's like, well, actually, he's been released from the hospital, but he needs to be on bed rest. He can't move. The doctor said, don't walk around. You have to elevate your foot and all the things. Well, I was like, like, okay, well, maybe he can stream because we would do live stream. We've had miracle reports come in if people viewing the live stream and just hearing the gospel and hearing testimonies of how God healed other people, they get healed in their body. And they come back and tell us verified reports, medically verified reports, family members that have come in to verify. So we've seen that. So I'm like, have them watch the live stream. No, this young man was not satisfied

to watch the live stream. He said, I don't know what I need to do, but I need to get in the room. He said, can you pick me up? Can you help me? So she goes, she picks him up and she brings him to the service. And I have to tell you, when I saw him come in and he came up to the front to receive prayer, I was super nervous because this, I mean, he still had like blood on his leg. Like, it was very fresh. The operation and the thing was very, very fresh. And there was like metal. And like you could see like these pins going in. Like, it just looked really like he should not be out and about. And so this is, I tell you my raw and authentic feelings because it's not like I was feeling, oh yeah, I know what to do. I got this. I play a doctor. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's coming up and I'm like,

oh gosh, he should have just stayed home and watched the live stream. Like, I'm like, that, that's where I was. That's where I was. And, but he is believing by, there was a gift of faith, part of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that came upon him. And he said, no, I've got to get in that room. And so, you know, my friend, you know, this older lady, she's just like looking at me like, okay, come pray for him. And I'm like, okay, you know, but I'm like, don't want to touch him because I'm so afraid to hurt his leg. So I'm just like, God, you know what, this is so over our heads. I'm never, I'm never going to fully get it. I'm never going to fully arrive to be able to be used with you, partner with you to see the sick healed. So I just went over and I was just like,

I'm so glad you're here. That's what I told. I was like, I'm so glad you're here. Let's just pray. I don't even remember everything I said. I'm just like, God, I just thank you that you brought him back. Jesus just heal him. Restore his leg. That's, that's really all I remember saying. Well, the power of, like, when I tell you, like, I was like touching him like that. I just didn't, I didn't want to get in a space. I knew he was in pain. The power of God came upon this man. And he fell backwards.

He couldn't stand. He fell backwards to the floor. And luckily, there were people surrounding him. They caught him. And I'm thinking, oh, my goodness, what just happened? What in the world? Well, I just kind of, I don't know. I'm just like, okay, you guys just pray for him.

I'm going to go pray for other people. We're going to still continue the service. Long. Let me know what happens. So we're at the portion of service where we're allowing people to share. What did God do? Like, do you feel any differences in your body? Like, what's happening? We're asking people to find out what's happening. So there's like a line of people start to line up in the queue to come tell us like what's happening in their physical body. What do they feel? Some people were like, you know, getting delivered of addiction or different things like that. Well, I see him coming up. And he's he's walking up the ramp to the stage, which he was not able to walk before. Fully functional. Walking. He comes up and we're like, what happened? He starts swinging his legs saying, oh, my pain's gone.

I couldn't do this. And I'm like so nervous. I'm like, oh my gosh, like what? So I'm saying this because it's over our head. Like this is just like a total God thing. Jesus paid for this on the cross. And so he's just looking, who will partner with him? Who will just partner with what the word says and just operate in childlike faith and just trust that God wants us to partner with him and just pray in the name of Jesus that these things would happen.

And God totally restored his leg and he just, you know, yeah, like it was pretty crazy. Well, that's awesome. Well, I was going to say that's such an example of what you were talking about, Tony, because sometimes we feel like I've got to have the right element. eloquent words. I need to sound like an oral Roberts or Smith Wigglesworth. I wish. We have all these wonderful examples. And, you know, let Oral Roberts be himself and Smith Wigglesworth be him. But it's just like, that's such an encouraging story for anybody who feels like, man, I'm in over my head. But all I know is when I read the scripture, and I think this is

what our heart's burden for. When I read the scriptures, it looks like that Acts 1038 is true. Jesus went around doing good, healing all oppressed of the devil. Speaking of sickness, speaking of demonic torment and possession. And people say, well, what happens when it doesn't happen? I don't know. That's a realm of mystery. And it's never advisable for people to come up with theology based on mystery. All I know is what the scripture tells us to do.

And we do that. We trust, like you were saying, we trust the results to him. But how faithful he is to do those things. That's one. That's wild. With that story, do you... So I told you guys before when we were talking how I just, I view things in a very supernatural worldview, that there's a war going on around us.

We were born into it. That guy, it seems like that accident could have been a physical manifestation of what was happening in the spiritual for his life. Like, it's almost like that. that accident was meant to prevent any further damage what was built up in his life at that point, you know? Because, I mean, if he's, he was a witch and he was talking about, I haven't been to my psychic been a while. I mean, it sounds like he was looking at the psychic guys if it was his doctor, you know, almost, you know, like his counselor, his therapist. And so

being taken and shown another avenue and then the accident happening, it's like, okay, we're going to stop this right here. And you ain't going nowhere, buddy. No more church for you, you know? Right. And it just, to me, I see that story. And I'm like that from my perspective, it seems like the manifestation, the spilling over into the physical realm, what's already happening in the spiritual. And, you know, when you're talking about the prophecy and stuff, I think this might be a fun thing to do right now.

so because the story has prophecy and the psychics idea. So we know that, and we were talking before about the disclosure stuff. And part of the claims of these whistleblowers is that they've trained people to use psychic abilities to call in and take over and control these UFOs that come in. Now this is stuff that's been said to our guys. government, like whistleblowers. So there's a level of psychic ability that they're saying is happening here. Now, when it comes to the prophetic, somebody who doesn't have the same worldview as we do, how do we show them that prophecy is different than psychic ability? So you're talking about how he came and sat down and there's people who are. trained to do these things. What does that look like? You mentioned a lot about the scripture aspect

of things. For people who wouldn't even know what that even looks like, maybe try to normalize it for them in a way that they can maybe one understand, but two, understand the difference between one and the other. Absolutely, yeah. First Corinthians chapter 14 begins to give us the purpose of prophecy. And it's to encourage people. It's to edify, build up people. it's to give them courage for their future. I mentioned Jeremiah 29-11. The thoughts that I have for you, says the Lord, are thoughts to prosper you, not to harm you,

to give you a hope in a future. So what that looks like is someone comes and sits down and we train them, you are going to translate the heart of God to them for their current situation, and God may even give you a future word for that person, but it will always have them walk away with a love encounter because above all else, God is love. 1 Corinthians 13 lays out that love is kind, all of the attributes of love.

And so the first and foremost thing is that people walk away with a love encounter because love never fails. So the difference is from a psychic to a person operating the gifts of the Holy Spirit in prophecy is that they are to encourage them for their hope and future. So when they sit down, they're not going to tell them, hey, I see your death date, which goes around a lot. I've heard. Really? Yeah.

I have a friend and I won't say where, but I have a good friend that we got in this whole topic. And because there were actually two friends outside of the church. you know, won't go into the depths of where... You have friends that aren't Christians? I do, and I love them, and we have a great time. And so God's really just kind of like had me on a really fun journey. And I love these people from the bottom of my heart.

And so we, and they are truly friends. And we're sitting around talking, will the topics of psychic mediums come up? And one person's like, yeah, my psychologist recommended me to a medium. And this person was like, oh, yeah, you know, my mom just, started to see a medium psychic and all this. So all the things. And I'm sitting there like, okay, God, what do you want me to do about this? And I have enough relational equity in their life to where I'm like, guys, you know what, let me just, let me just tell you from a friend. Let me tell you why this probably isn't a good idea. It actually opens up demonic doors for

death, for curses to unfold in your life. And one of my friends looked at me and he said, you know what? He goes, I think you might be right. And I'm like, yeah, why? And he said, my mom went to, I can't remember if he said medium or psychic, but one of the two. So I want to stay accurate to the story. He said, my mom went to go see this lady last year. I think he might have mentioned November of last year. And she said, your husband is going to die in five months. That was part of the quote unquote word that she had for him. And she walked away devastated. And she was like, okay, I just got my husband's death date.

Well, wouldn't you know a month later, he gets diagnosed with a terminal illness. And I'm like, okay, friend, I won't say his name. Friend, like this is what I'm talking about. Like, that woman released a death curse over you. But the blood of Jesus that was shed, and I just went into this mini gospel in a group of five friends. I'm like, let me tell you how this can get fit. how this wrong can be made right because that's what justice is. And if anything, I'd like to say that is the judgment of God. He judges our enemies and he makes the wrong things right. And he takes

enemies according to Psalm 18 that are too strong for us and he pulls us out and he rescues us. And so I begin to just talk to them how Jesus can make this wrong right and how the blood of Jesus can wash away and it's greater than any curse, any word curse, and that God can heal him. And so I'm talking to my friend about this. And I'm like, you need, if you guys are like searching for like a word or searching for future or searching for something, let me know. I said between myself and I've got great friends that do this on a regular basis, we can hook you up on the truth, on the real thing that is going to be full of life,

not death, but life and blessing. So there's just like this, there's a major difference. You know, psychics, mediums, the counterfeit, they're not going to honor Jesus. You know, people who move in the Holy Spirit gifts of prophecy. The Holy Spirit, his job is to reveal Jesus to us. His job is to honor Jesus. You know, the Bible says, what did Jesus say when he was talking about the Holy Spirit? You can read it John 14, 15, 16.

He begins to say that the Holy Spirit is just like me. He doesn't speak on his own authority, but he'll tell you everything about me. Everything that I say, I share it with him. He doesn't speak on his own authority. He shares with you what the Father gives to him. And so. Interesting enough, because I literally was just thinking about that portion of scripture while you were sharing the story.

And one of the things that he says is the Holy Spirit will tell you things to come. Yes. So as you're talking about this, we just make it so plain and clear because I've been in this charismatic Pentecostal world for a long time. I know what people are doing when you have your teams, what we call them prophecy teams, or any church that does that, they recognize there's only one door to receiving spiritual information. And that is through the door of Jesus, through the person of the Holy Spirit. And that's what dramatically separates the prophetic from the psychic, from the necromancer, from the medium, is that believers filled with the Holy Spirit recognize there's only one door, and that's Jesus. We go through Jesus.

We have the Holy Spirit. And they ask the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit has the right to either give us information or not. Like there's times where he won't. So what we'll do in that case is you just leave people with encouragement. You leave them like you were saying with a revelation of the love of God. But then the Holy Spirit also will give intel. He will give information and we simply share what he is saying, but it's all about Jesus and it's going through the door of Jesus.

That's right. Yeah. So you mentioned a term relational equity. And I think that's often overlooked, and I love that term. I'm probably going to use it in the future. Because I think a lot of times when it comes to these kind of topics or just like maybe sensitive topics, people are very easy. eager to offer their opinion on things when the relational equity has not been built. And though you might be speaking truth, it's possible it falls on deaf ears. And I've gotten that. In fact, you met our manager, Derek.

When he first moved here, he started saying things to me that I wasn't ready to hear. and because we didn't have the relational equity yet. And though here we are years later and what he said was true and turned out to be true, back then, I got irritated with him. I was like, who are you to come in here and start suggesting such things? And I think that with everything you just covered, I think it's important for people to walk away with also the idea of, not mind your business, but like just like, almost like know your, know your place in the equation, right?

That's good. And sometimes you speak louder if you just sit back and let and try and you, the person with maybe a message, trust that God's going to actually open the door. You don't need to kick the door in. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like that door for you was opened.

Yes. And you were able to walk through it and handle it perfectly. I think sometimes people are very ready for the crowbar to provide that. door open, you're going to let me in and tell you exactly. But then it's just, if the person's not ready for it, it could really, I don't want to say do damage, but like it could really just counterproductive. Very. Like that's, yeah. Yeah. And so, and I've been on the receiving end of that countless times from just over the years doing the show. We get people emailing and they just tell you how to live your life and what you're doing wrong and this and then. And God told me this. And

And I heard some people say this years ago to me, and I kind of lived my life by this general rule when it comes to prophetic words. Because especially with the emails that we get, you know, I was telling you about the lady that was emailing saying that God told her that she's my soulmate. Wow. And that her husband's okay with that. She's probably listening right now. I'm like, well, it's true. No, I'm sorry. I don't agree.

No, that's not biblical. I don't know what you're trying to pull me into. It's not good. But like for me, the way I've been kind of operating my life is I feel like if somebody comes to me with a prophetic word, maybe this isn't even 100% either. But if I'm living my life where I'm trying to hear the Holy Spirit in my life and what the Lord has for me,

if somebody comes to me in my life with a prophetic word that is never been uttered to me by God. And I don't want to reject it, but I also, like, I need to have God confirmed this one. And my favorites are when it's just confirmation. Yeah. Like that happened a couple times today when we were all talking over there. You guys have said things. I'm like, well, that's just confirmation because God's already been speaking that to me, you know? And so that's like my comfort zone with it.

It's just like I really like when the prophetic word is really just simply confirming what the Holy Spirit's already been putting on the heart, you know? Yes. But I can see a world where it kind of almost is reversal. It's like the Holy Spirit speaks through somebody else to you. You go into prayer mode and then the confirmation comes in. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, I don't know how I got all of that stuff. No, that's good.

This way my mind works. I think it's important because if we don't talk about those gray spaces, if you will, sometimes people will throw it out and just be like, well, yeah, somebody tried to give me a quote-unquote prophetic word and it was goofy. It didn't make sense, you know, all these things. And it's like, okay, you know, it's like, you know, the saying, the adage that says don't burn the whole house down to kill a spider. Yes. You know, it's like sometimes there's goofy things that people do. And sometimes there's erroneous or abusive things that people do.

But in relation to the gifts of the Holy Spirit, one day I really felt like, I even told a group of people this, like abuse and misuse doesn't equal no use. We still have to use. We are really obligated as Christians. We are mandated in Scripture to advance the kingdom of God. And through the operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Why? Because we have to humble ourselves to know that we can't do the works of God without him. We can't do anything. John 15 says, Jesus says, without me, you can do nothing. You're powerless. But in him, if we remain in him and His Word abides in us, we will bear much fruit, fruit that remains.

So it's like prophecy, any type of gift of the Holy Spirit that we might be manifesting, it should always be rooted and grounded in Scripture. And so it's important that we read our word, but we don't only want to be hears of the word. We want to be doers of the word. And so, but I think to circle back, I think you went on that. It wasn't a tangent. I think it helps the listeners know that maybe you're listening and you've had someone say something really goofy to you. Maybe you've had somebody give like a death curse or spoken something really negative over your life. I mean, gosh, if I could even do this, if I have to, permission. I feel like there's somebody listening that someone, you have a desire to have children, but you're like barren. Like you can't have kids. But I feel like there's somebody, maybe more than one person where someone has spoken over you, you're never going to have kids. Well, you know what? That's a word curse. And just as you're listening, I just break that off of you in the name of Jesus. And I just want to give you hope that your desires were given to you by him. and he wants to prosper you.

He doesn't want to harm you. He wants to give you a hope in a future. And so when we read our word, when we hear things like that come our way, let me give you an instance. It's kind of like if somebody were to give one of my kids, I'm a mom of five, okay? And so if someone were to give my children a message from me,

my kids have a great relationship with me. We have an awesome relationship. They know me well enough to know. Does that sound like something mom would say? It's a great example. It's like if someone came and said, hey, I've got a message from your mom. She just sent you a text message.

Here it is. And it was really critical and demeaning and horrible to them and mean. Oh, this was what your mom texted me about you. My kids would probably, that doesn't sound like my mom. That doesn't sound like something that my mom would say. Who are you? And why are you talking to me? You know what I'm not getting your van.

Exactly. Thank you. Thank you. And so it's like the same thing. When we read our Bibles, when we get in community with people that can help disciple us on even what the scripture even means, it's like we get to a place that says, wait a minute, 1 John 310 said that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. So for you to tell me that I'm just going to be barren my whole life. Like God doesn't want me to have kids. He's not going to heal me or he's not. going to restore my marriage or he's not going to restore. I'm going to be in poverty. Poverty's my lot. You know what? That doesn't sound like my father. It doesn't sound like something he would say to me. And so I'm really glad that you kind of open that up because I feel like that way, you know, somebody may have gotten like something really horrible spoken to them. Just don't shut down the gifts

of the Holy Spirit. Don't shut down Jesus. Don't shut him down. Like he loves you and he's really good. You know, I had a spiritual mentor tell me one time, God is good. He loves you and he's in a good mood. And that was like world changing for me to know that he was in a good mood and that he loved me. All right, let's take a second to talk about our sponsor today, which is Ghost Bed. And trust me, friends, this isn't a ghost in your bed. This is Ghost Bed. You want the Ghost Bed.

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or even limitations on what the Lord's willingness is for our life, right? So, I mean, I'm really big on this idea of trying to grasp the infinite nature of God, because the more I try to grasp that and understand how large and infinite he truly is, to him restoring a marriage or raising some of him dead is the same thing. For him, it's easy. Yeah. And so when I try to understand those things, and also in the same breath,

because he's infinite, I also have come to the acceptance. that my life pursuit should be to understand my maker and draw closer to him, knowing that on this side of eternity, it will never happen. I will never truly understand every aspect of God. And nor should I want to, because if that's the case, if I actually feel like I figured it out, one, I didn't. But two, if I truly did, then he's not infinite. Because I'm not infinite.

How can I figure out infinite if I'm not infinite, you know? And so that's kind of like the way I think about it. And I just feel like the more I look at the infinite nature of God, the more he becomes limitless. Yeah. And all of a sudden, anything's possible, right? And you mentioned about the healing story. Maybe we can kind of rewind to some of that because, one, I love a good healing story. Okay.

I just do. I'm storytime with Tony. I love stories. And it's, it's for me, in the audience that I've been around for a long time, maybe if you're new, we've been, we've been experiencing gross. So maybe you don't know this. But my grandfather was a big tent revivalist type of guy. He didn't, he wasn't the guy, but he was a guy that supplemented preaching and stuff. And he would tell me stories of miracles, legs growing. And, you know, he's praying for somebody. The leg grows on stage. Angels, the one time came and guarded their, their, their, their, their, their, tent because the town that they went to didn't want them there. And they came to destroy the camp that night. And the men were standing there. These cars came down a driveway. And they stopped at one point and just sat there and idled. And they backed out and left. This happened like two or three times each time more cars came. And the next day, some of the ministry team was in town getting supplies. And

apparently it was like the talk of the town that they had every intention to destroy that that tent revival that night. And it wasn't the men that scared them away. It was these giant angels standing and guarding the property. My grandfather and those guys, they never saw the angels. Wow. But the people coming to destroy saw these giant angels standing there. And that's intimidating, right? So I hear these stories growing up and, you know, and others, you know, I've been in the church world my entire life and I've heard tons of stories of healings and miraculous signs and wonders. And, I say all that to bring it to you. You have, I don't know if you, if you identified as a healing ministry, but it's definitely

part of your ministry. Like, how did that like start? Like, I mean, people, people that are out there that, you know, this is going to sound worse than what I mean to sound. Forget about the people who don't even believe in God right now. It's the people who are listening who actually, they're on pace. They're like, yep, I believe that there's a God. I've accepted him. Christ is my savior. Like, what did that transition for you look like?

For me and people like me, there's this amazement of God and his power and this desire to see that power move in my life and other people's life. For you, how did that even start? Well, I think seeds started as a child. I grew up Baptist. and my parents were Baptist preachers, and they were not taught in their theological seminary about healing being for today. They were actually taught that we don't have the gifts of the Holy Spirit and operation today. Cessationism. Correct. In their theological school. So, but thank goodness that my parents both had curious enough nature that my dad would just read the Gospels and something didn't reconcile within him. And so there would be sick people come to our

church. And he was like, you know, I just can't reconcile this. I'm praying for them anyway. And so there was this one gentleman that he prayed for. This is just one of the stories. And this gentleman had a tumor in his abdomen. And it was cancerous. And he was at the hospital. And it didn't look good. And he was dying. And my dad just was like, I need to get there. I need to go to the hospital. and pray for him. Well, that's not outside of the wheelhouse of a pastor to come and pray. But my dad wasn't going to be like praying like, kind of like, sending him off to glory. Yeah, like, okay, we'll see you on the other side, bro. Thank you for having such a great life here.

Yes, I promised to help your family. No, it wasn't like that. Something rose up within him and he went and he prayed for this man to be healed. And so he prayed with him. He laid hands on him. Nothing happened. in that moment. And my, my dad was just like, okay, I just obeyed and that was it. Well, he got a call the next day that that morning, they don't really know what happened. It was in the middle of the night, but somehow this tumor expelled out of his body. Really? And it was on the bed. And so my parents, I think, saved me some of the details as a young child, you know, but it was like, that started a journey with my dad and even my mom to believe like Jesus Christ is still still the healer.

Like he's the healer. So, you know, I remember being a young girl and there was a young boy that was in a wheelchair for a really long time. And I remember my dad praying, I might have been like maybe six years old and I just have this vivid memory of this young boy getting out of the wheelchair and walking out. And so there were seeds of that, right? That's how that began. There were seeds. But I want to tell you, my family went through like a really long, hard, won't go into all of it, but needless to say, my parents ended up in divorce. Everyone was out of the church. No one was doing ministry anymore.

And I just drifted away in my teen years from the Lord. I was like, okay, nothing's real. Like, I don't know what that was, but nothing's real. And so I got to a place where I just was really sick and body a lot. Like, it was one of those goofy things. Like, I would get in this little accident or I'd break this or I'd, it was just, just like this, just constant something. I was sick of something. It just seems like it was always on me. Well, I remember getting these excruciating headaches one day and, and I woke up one day and my face just

felt really funny. The whole left side of my body just felt really tingly and slowly, but surely I was getting paralysis on the left side of my face to where it completely drooped. My arm was tingly. I couldn't talk. I was slurring my words. I went to the hospital to get my either. Are she having a stroke? And I'm like in my early 20s. So this is not like something that you would think would happen in early 20s. And so long story short, they're like, okay, there's, there's not a diagnosis. We're not seeing any signs of a stroke. Don't know if this could be Bell's palsy, some neurological disorder. They just couldn't find it. There was no definitive diagnosis. They just sent me home. And that was it. And sorry, we don't know what to tell you.

And I'm like- live with this? That's what they were saying? Yeah, that's it. Wow. That was it. And so I had a severely drooped face and slurred when I talked. So I just shut down. I didn't talk to anybody. I definitely was going to talk to anybody in public. I just shut down completely. I was going to university at the time and I just kept myself. And so I started going to this little church and this church was more charismatic, if you will. They believed in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and things of like that. And so I remember hearing them talk about healing. And I was like, yeah, I remember that one day when I was little, you know, like those seeds started coming forth. And I remember the pastor's

wife, she looked at me, the pastor, and she was just like, she knew what was going on. And she's like, Miriam, come up to the front. We're going to pray for you. And I'm just like, oh gosh. Like, I do not want to go up there. But I win anyways. And she's like, according to James chapter five, it says that if there are any sick among you, that you anoint them with oil and you gather the elders to pray and that they will be healed. And they got this thing of oil. And they started putting it on my head. Sounds good though, right? Um, no, actually didn't. No, no, no, no. This one didn't have a nice fragrance. It was just oil. I don't know what kind. Could have been canola. Could have been, I don't know what kind it was. I didn't ask. All I know

is they were putting it on my head and as a young girl, I was like, this is going to make me break out. This is not cool. That's exactly what I've been thinking to. Yes. That's exactly. Okay. For all the girls listening, I have to have an intentional skin regimen. So let's just say that. Okay. So I have oily skin. I'm like, this is the last thing. My pores are going to clog. Like, I'm going to wake up and this is horrible. That's all. No faith. No, like, oh, God, I know you're going to do my head. No, I was super negative. I wanted the oil off my face. I just wanted to go home. And so they pray for me, nothing happens. And I often tell people when I tell the story. I'm like, I didn't even think God liked me very much, much less wanting to heal me and all the things. So I just didn't have any level of faith at that moment. And so I went to bed and woke up the next morning and still the same and was like, okay, now I'm scrubbing my face extra, like using all the toner pads and trying to get the oil out. Well, I noticed later that week, I noticed that my face, like, could, oh, that was another thing. Not only was I paralyzed in my face, I couldn't feel. I had no

feeling on one side of my face. So it was super numb. I mean, like, scratching, like, and they even told me, they're like, be careful with curling irons, be careful with that. You could burn yourself. You could injure yourself because you can't feel anything. So I noticed like I was getting itchy on my face. And I'm like, wait a minute, I can kind of like feel something. Well, long story short, every day I woke up. There was some sort of improvement and small improvements. It took a bit of time. But every day it was like maybe 10% more, 10% more to where my face wasn't drooping,

the paralysis was gone, and I was able to eat and talk. And another thing is those excruciating headaches that I was getting daily. That was another thing. Was that from the paralysis? I don't know. They couldn't really, they thought it was. That was like a logical thing. Oh, it was exact the same time. Like the headaches started and they were piercing and the lower back part of my head. And the next day is when I was getting all of the, it was like one day I was getting the headaches and then the next day was the paralysis, but I was still getting these really, really

severe headaches. And it just felt like a pin. Like it was just like really bad. But that stopped as well. And it just seemed like then there was a bit of a battle. It seemed like then there was more after that, then there was more things that would surface polyps in my uterus. I bled for six months. Like, I became anemic. I mean, it seemed like it was like a hurdle after another hurdle. A bulge disc in my lower back from horse right, horseback riding. I mean, it was like these hurdles of sickness that I had to get over. But one by one, he came and he healed me. Some, you know, one of the healings I mentioned was, you know, like people in the church prayed for me. But the other two, I was just by myself.

And I just felt the presence of God around me. And I just felt almost like this internal voice within me like I'm healing you. I'm healing your body. And so it's like that's what started this journey. So therefore it birthed a compassion in me to heal the sick. I thought, God, I can't keep this to myself. Like if you did it for me when I didn't even have faith, I didn't think you liked me. I didn't understand or have a grid for it. I can't keep this to myself. I know that you're

going to do this for others. And so I had some really great mentors who really saw God's purpose in my life. I remember one lady coming and giving me a prophetic word. You're going to heal the sick one day. I hear God saying you have hands of miracles. I'm like, oh, I don't, okay. You know, it was over my head. I didn't understand it. And I just kind of like, I guess put it on a shelf. I didn't know what to do with that. you know, but years later, God begin to like just start with giving me a compassion and I would just step out in faith and be like, I don't really know what I'm doing. But the Bible says to do it. And so let's just do it in the name of Jesus. It's not in the name of Miriam, you know, so I'm just going to go help. Like they helped me. I want to help somebody. And I'm so thankful

that the people who prayed for me didn't sit back and didn't say, no, who am I? I'm not anointed. I'm not gifted. I better sit back and be quiet. I don't want to be misunderstood. I'm so thankful that they didn't. I'm so thankful that they just took a risk to just demonstrate what the Bible says to demonstrate the gospel with the Holy Spirit's power. So I think that's what really just kind of started my journey. And I wrote my other book, Glory Miracles, where I not only tell my story, but I really like mentor people, how to move in the miraculous. How do you create atmospheres for the power of God to float. And not only in church, this is not just limited to church. How does this work at the gym? How does this work in the business? How does this work at the grocery

store? Everyday life. How does this work when you're online? And you're, you know, I am, yeah. So I mentor people with it. I tell stories and I also tell insights on how they can do it as well. So that's what started the journey for me. So you're taking you back to that. church service or going to that church, I'm not sure if it was the first time you were in the church, but you went from this childhood of in the church to family implosion, and that taking an effect on a child, which obviously would. I mean, I've seen it countless people's lives, you know, bad things happen, and it happened by the hands of people who were saying they're Christians or whatever. And so the next conclusion, especially for children, is I blame God.

Yes. So you find yourself in this church. At what point did you go from your youth of rebellion at that point to an out in a church service getting prayed for healing? Like was there something that pulled you into the church? And because to me, Just hearing this story that you laid out, I'm sure there's way more detail. It feels like, obviously, there's a purpose on your life, right? I mean, you're here, you have a ministry, you and your husband write books. But it feels like the enemy knew there was a purpose on your life. And again, the way I look at things, it feels like that the sickness is,

to prevent from the fruition of what God has designed you to be, right? And so it's like sickness after sickness after sickness. And it's like, I feel like we get caught up in the physical of I'm sick and, Lord, heal me, and maybe not even totally acknowledge the fact that there's something spiritual going on here. You know, there's a physical infliction going on because of what's happening in the spiritual. Totally. And you even mentioned about the idea of the prayer and, you know, you pray and nothing happened at first.

I mean, what do you think? So one, I want you to talk to me about what got you into the church. But also, like, do you think it's possible that that situation of the delayed answer to prayer almost is kind of like Daniel 10, where he was praying for this revelation to the vision and it took three weeks to get to him because of the warfare happening in the spiritual realm where the principality of Persia was preventing, presumably Gabriel, getting to him.

Yeah, that's pretty cool. I was out of that. I used Daniel 10 so much in my understanding of why, of the why. Yeah. So it's like, I'm praying. Healing's not happening. Why? And there's so many reasons why. I mean, it could be just, you know, like the idea that God says tomorrow. That's why, you know? But could there be a thing where delayed healing is because of the active war for your life in in this other side, this other realm where the warfare is happening, you know?

Yeah. And so I just threw a lot on the table book. Go ahead and pick part. Whatever you want. I love it. I think so. I think, I don't think it's maybe that way with. every case. But hearing you say that, I wouldn't be surprised at all, because it was really like a battle for what decision I was going to make, what kind of life I was going to live. So yeah, I can definitely see that there is a warfare dimension to attaining all that Jesus has paid for. You know, questions, I think sometimes because of that warfare dimension that people don't recognize it as such. And so God gets framed for things that he never did. That's very good, Mirren.

And honestly, what you brought clarity on, that I couldn't phrase it better, like, God gets framed and he gets blamed for this kind of opposition in the invisible realm. But I feel so strongly, just as you share your story at Miriam in the context you're bringing, Tony, so I'm just getting a little like Holy Spirit swirl. I do believe there's an intimidation of the enemy. In fact, some people are watching right now, and maybe Miriam's story really relates to you, you feel like I'm following Jesus. I feel like God has this plan or purpose for me, and I have all this opposition.

I heard the Lord say, it's the intimidation of Satan because Satan obviously is limited in his knowledge, but he had some sense, Miriam, maybe even just watching you through it. Listen, we don't want to give the devil like a bigger place than he deserves because he's under our feet. But he probably watched you, and he had some sense of the assignment, the anointing on your life. Same thing for those of you watching. So he starts to interfere. It's like, I'll do what I can to like monkey around with the family.

I'll do what I can to really frame God for this stuff. But I mean, that totally backfired. I sense that the enemy was intimidated in your situation because not only are people getting healed and delivered and miracles, but that comes with this evangelism element. People were getting born again and brought into the kingdom of God. So I'm just listening and processing, I think there's a warfare dimension that we need to teach on and talk about a little bit more. Otherwise, by default, God gets blamed when there's delay.

And we come up with an erroneous theology where, well, I guess it was not God's will. Or he's teaching me a lesson is a big one. Right. He's teaching me a lesson. Yeah. And we cease contending. That's a word we use a lot, contending for a miracle. Because it's like, all I know is what. the Bible says. And we talked about this earlier. There's elements of mystery. Like sometimes,

you know, I don't know why sometimes things don't happen. And I am not going to make a theology out of it. I'm going to recognize there is God sovereignty. There is mystery. But all I know is what the word of God says. And that gives us license to contend for the healing, for the deliverance. If there's sickness, if there's torment, I know that Jesus was made manifest to destroy the works of the devil. But yeah, we do have an active enemy who's intimidated by the assignment and call of God on our lives. Yeah. So I'm just processing all the information. I think sometimes, like what you say, I think sometimes, and I think there's people like,

I believe this applies to those of you watching and listening, that there are situations, battles that seem to be continuous in your life. Like somebody just hit the repeat button and you want to get out of that cycle. And I believe that a lot of times, like talking about this, I think it's kind of like what I went through. It actually points to the breakthrough that you actually have within you. It points to the gift that God's given you in your mother's womb that if you like just give it to God, like give it to them now. Say Jesus, I don't want this. I don't want this repeat button.

I don't want these cycles. I don't want this sickness, whatever it is, fill in the blank. I believe that it's pointing to the breakthrough that you. actually carry to help other people. And so like you spoke about hijacking earlier. I mean, that's what the devil does. That's what darkness does. It tries to hijack our lives. And it's like the very thing that is plaguing us is the very thing that we have a gift inside of us to bring breakthrough to people. It's kind of like when we were talking before the show. It's like, you know, you go to hotspots, if you will, all over the world and like find out

what's going on, like, you know, the darkness, you know, but I, I think things that have tried to hassle you, it's because it points to the gift of God within you, that you bring freedom to the land, you bring freedom to people, you bring freedom to people groups. And so this stuff that's tried to harass you forever, like, you know, not leave you alone, it's because it's the very thing that God's given you authority over to, like, flip it, flip the script. And like, bring the kingdom of God down to earth. Yeah. You know?

It's funny to bring that up. I, so we talked about Joseph Zia earlier and I intentionally bring him in his name up because hopefully this is pressure, Joseph, to come on my show. Come in my studio. We'll manipulate. I love him. I mean, I feel like we're becoming good friends. And I just said, I got to, I know he's been traveling a lot and he's back home now.

but um so speaking of uh what i do and the attacks that i get confronted with i mean it's it's really countless over the years uh in in in a volume that i can't even comprehend where literally i get we get attacked in ways that i literally in the moment don't even understand of being attacked um so i had a guy come here uh to the studio probably two years ago and he's a he's a worship pastor out in middle Tennessee and he was on this was his second time on the show the first time he was on the show he shared a really wild story I don't know he wouldn't get into it but it's wild and he I think he's a he's he's in a Baptist church so like he's already like uncomfortable with trying to like understand this and comprehend what's going on but he he comes out

And he gives us updates. And me, my friend Joel and Ward sitting at table and Hunter was sitting across from me. And he gives us this conversation, good conversation. And afterwards, at the end, he basically said, I have one more thing I want to tell you, but I don't know how to talk to you about it. And I basically told him, I was like, come, man, just spit it out, what's up? And he says, does the number, and I think the reason is because with his back, ground, I don't think he felt comfortable even asked me if there's a number that means anything

to me. And he said, you know, does this number mean anything to you? And I look at my brother who's producing, which is not here today. So if there's anything wrong with this, this show right now, it's because my brother's on vacation and I was set to record the cameras and the audio. And I haven't done this in a long time. You're doing very well. I'm looking over here at the screensaver and the screensaver's on. I'm thinking, I hope it's recording right now, the audio. Let me just check real quick. Do it, do it. Yes.

Yeah. See here. Yes, it's still. Okay. Your brother would be proud. Yes. Leave that in, Jack. Yeah.

So, but so I look at my brother and I look at him and I'm like, yeah, it means a lot to me because the number he gave me was my house number. Wow. And it's not like a little number. And I'm thinking, okay, what are the odds? and he said he had a dream. He was standing at the end of my driveway, and he proceeds to tell me what my house looks like, what my driveway looks like.

Everything was just super accurate. And he lives four hours from here, and the skeptic could say, oh, well, he's stocking you. I don't think he's stalking me. This was the second time having him on the show, and we had built a friendship. And every time I talk to the guy,

it's like 9 o'clock in night. he's walking through a grocery store because he's that busy like he's coaching the kids baseball he's worship pastor he has his own contracting company he's a busy guy so like for him to come out here to find out where i live to hopefully one day be on the show again to tell me some story for my show to really get me this seems far-fetched to me um he says he has this dream and he's describing everything accurately and then he says he sees me get out of my truck and you know he said i back my truck in the driveway which is very true that's what i do and um I get out and he said there was two

cloaked black cloak shadow figure being standing behind you. And he said you walked into your house by going around the house to enter into the back of the house. He said they followed me into my house.

And it messed me up. I was just like, I don't know how to handle this. Like I was pretty much in the beginning stages of where I'm at now. So like the idea that I'm being attacked. I'm like, this is crazy, right? And I didn't know what it was,

but I had just got done talking to a guy, Pastor Brian, Dave Brian. He has a church out in California. And he actually, long story short, one of Anton Lave's daughters came into his church one day. And he wound up adopting her.

But I called him because I was like, I don't know who else to talk to about this. And without skipping a beat, he said, those are druids. He's like, you, you have druids that are coming after you. And I was like, oh, so never thought about that. And then, you know, I prayed about it. I don't know what to do, you know. So, you know, I started praying Psalm 91 around the house a lot. But I never really felt conformational peace about it, you know? Like I didn't feel like, oh, it's done, it's over.

And over time, I've been aware through other emails we've gotten from other witches that they are active towards me. And I go to armed media, Alan Deo's conference. And that's where I met Joseph last year. Last year? Yeah, last year. And we're talking. I run into him and we wind up going into the green when we're talking. we're talking about a bunch of different stuff.

And he asked if he could pray for me. I said, yeah. So we stand up and he starts praying for me and just speaking into me. And he goes, and I'll never forget this. He has his hand on my shoulder, the other hand on my back. And he just pauses and he goes, and you two witches, I see you. And I bind you in the name of Jesus Christ. Wow.

And I was like, how do you know about that, man? You know? And so like there is a level and between this long story and me getting up, I forget why I'm even telling the story. So we're just going to go with it. But there is a level of spiritual attack that comes upon people who God has his, I mean, I think anybody, to be honest with you. But like it gets more and more aggressive when you have somebody who God has his stamp. I mean, I think anybody to be honest with you. But like, it gets more and more aggressive when you have somebody who God has his stamp. on and they're actually pursuing what the Lord has called them to do. And I can speak from my own personal experience. And I don't come on the show a lot and talk about my personal life. I mean, when I'm talking with you guys, it's easy to do that. But I'm not going to come on the show every week. We're like, hey, guys, guess what happened to me this week?

Right, right. You know, being attacked again. It's going to get old. And they're like, okay, good for you, Tony. Go pray about it. But there is a level of experience that I've been feeling that there's an up tick. And it's right in line with the more I'm leaning into what has been a delayed accepting of a call in my life. It's been 20 years that it took me to start preaching. And it's like,

the more I'm leaning into what God's calling me to do, it seems like there's more of an attack. And I mean, that's where I got on to this because with you, it's like, it was almost like in the beginning stages. And I just look at it. I'm like, it really feels like there was a strong attempt to keep you from becoming what God had already ordained for you to be. And it just makes me wonder how many people out there that that attack actually works. Yeah. And it's sad. You know, you see people fall in the faith, walk away from the faith and

they succumb to these attacks that come on them and it just makes you wonder how many powerhouses could be out there right now if they were able to persevere through that and you guys have been speaking to the audience

and I'll speak to the audience and I'll say if that's you your story's not done and it's not finished being written, you know? Like, you're listening to this and that's something that that you're like, that's me. Like I was hurt and I'm, and I've walked away and I'm done. If you're feeling, if you're, if you're in the moment right now recognizing that, it means God's not done with you.

And you can, there is a redemption story to be had. I've shared my redemption story to the audience over the years. I mean, like, I was a hot mess. I mean, like, like, like, like, like, I don't know, like 15 years ago, I was, I mean, I was crazy. I was legit, probably crazy. And like, my wife stuck with me through some really nutsy times. Like, I'm nuts now for a different reason. But like, like, I was like, I was not a good person at all, you know. I didn't like people. I didn't like talking to people. I was mean. I was just a nasty person. But God found a way to redeem me over the years, you know. And I just think that people, uh, do not need to give up hope. Yeah. You know. Right. And, uh, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. You don't like people. And now you talk to people all

the time. I know. It's wild. Do you see how it was trying to steal that? When I, when I started driving truck. So I started, I mean, I had my CDL since like 21. They have, I've driven on and off my entire life. My dad's a trucker. So it's just, it was part of me. Um, but when I, the company I left to, do this full time. When I started there, I was like, this is the perfect job for me. I'm going to work 12 to 14 hours a day. I'm going to make a lot of money.

I'm going to be left alone. I don't have to talk to anybody. I hate all these people. And, you know, I get to go home and be with my wife who I just finally got my marriage back on track and I love her dearly. So all I need is a lot of money, my wife left alone.

This feels like a real confession. It does. You have naturally named this. Right? But to see where, you know, you're right. I mean, now here I am and I just talk to people. And I enjoy talking to people. I really do.

And I almost like, you talk about the hijacking earlier stuff. It's like, it was like the strength and what has been seated in me that was a gift from God was flipped and reversed and made me believe that you don't like people. You hate people. You don't want to talk to people. In reality, that was the call to begin. with. And it was like, you buy into that lie. So I forget how you mentioned the Miriam, but like earlier you mentioned it. And it's just like that it's like the attack is an indicator of what you're called to do. Exactly. Yeah. It almost points to it sometimes, you know.

That's wild. Because when you said that, I was thinking, I was trying to like fit that into my head. Like, how does that work? And now I'm talking it out. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's exactly what it was. Yeah. That's exactly what it was. That's wild stuff. It's funny. is an indicator. Well, it's like, is you're saying, I get a picture of, like, the serpent that tried to bite you is the serpent that your foot is supposed to be on the head of. Like, the thing that's come against you, like, with consistency, like, where it's like, I feel like it's a flurry of things.

It won't back down. Like, you were just talking about people who are watching. One of the things that people are going to take away, Tony, from the conversations you have with people. There's two things. Number one, I'm not crazy. I feel like, I don't know if you get that testimony. 100%.

Okay. I feel that so strong. I'm not crazy. But number two is I'm not done. I'm not done. Like your story is not done. If you're dealing with attacks from the enemy. And we've said this behind the scenes, but we've got to make it go public.

Like there's such a deliverance anointing on this. Yeah. On this. And even as people watch, I just want to encourage the audience, have an expectation in faith that when you listen to these conversations, there is a deliverance anointing. There's a discernment anointing being released from these conversations and a deliverance anointing. The ability to discern, okay, God from the enemy, the works of light and righteousness from the works of darkness. But also, Tony, yeah, a real work of deliverance where people are just being reminded, you're being reminded.

If you're being attacked by spiritual forces, most likely, that's evidence the enemy is intimidated by you. And your story's not done. You need to hang in there and you need to contend because, man, that service. that tried to take you out. That's the thing your foot is supposed to be on the head of. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. As somebody who I was telling you guys,

and I'm sure the audience kind of gathers, I have this like warrior mentality when it comes to this stuff. Like what you just said, I want to stomp serpents. Like that's, I mean, I desperately want to do those kind of things. And when there's a serpent there

snatching at your heels, you've got to be ready to stomp that. that sucker out. So we were talking about, I forget what made me think about this, but maybe it was you mentioning me going and doing this crazy stuff. But do you guys think that there is,

because you mentioned me in a text about the territorial spirit's aspect of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a guy on, in fact, his episode with me is going to go in like two weeks or something it's the second time on with me. The first time, we talked about Lilith and how he believes that the spirit of Lilith

has a geographical tie to certain areas, one being the Appalachian Mountains. It seems like there's a real tie to this demonic spirit of Lilith in these communities along these mountains. And when you hear about the legends, it really sounds like that. Do you guys, what do you guys think about those kind of things? Like the idea that there could be

territory of spirits, whether it's territory within a family unit to geographical, literal geographical ties. Because I mean, we see it like, again, Daniel 10, the spirit prince of Persia. I mean, that's kind of like that, I would say. You need to get turned loose on this. Because honestly, you got, you had a dream about this. And I think this is going to maybe flip the script a little on this. Typically, we think territorial spirits on a demonic level, principalities and powers. But, yeah, you got this is, listen, this is just a bit of a swirl where literally, we're going to go into this. She had this dream. And the Lord confirms something in this dream in the last 24 hours in Michael Heiser's book. Really?

So, yeah, you just. And this will also be the first time I'm actually sharing this publicly. Awesome. Okay. So, on the confessional. Confessing on the confessionals. So it's kind of one of those things I haven't shared it. And it actually happened in 2013, this dream encounter thing that I had. But because I didn't understand it, I'm just like, okay, I'm not sharing that. Like, I'm just it. So I feel like it's time. So everybody bear with me. I'm taking a risk here to tell you. But on that, yes, to answer your question, there are demonic territorial spirits. You mentioned it, Daniel chapter 10. If you dig into, after the Tower of Babel, you will see people that were scattered throughout the world,

making covenants with demonic entities that opened up doors or portals for them to dwell within a certain geographical area. So we see this happening. We see people coming in agreements with demonic activity here today. But the cool thing is, is that when Jesus came, he came to restore every, that's been lost and stolen. You know, so anything that we see in scripture where demonic entities and principalities and powers had a legal right, a spiritually legal right to come and dwell, the death, burial,

and resurrection of Jesus now trumps that legal right. Yeah. So therefore, you can go to anywhere, Tony, on the planet. And you come in in the name of Jesus. And because you are a son now, you've come in, adopted, grafted into the family of God. You come in with all of heaven backing you up. You come in with all the resources of heaven because if we read our word, we'll see that you have an amazing inheritance. So he knows what you need when you need it.

And so if he calls you to another nation, which I think he's going to really open up nations to you, even more. And you're going to come in with the resources of heaven. And the Bible says that everywhere that your foot treads is going to be given to you. And so now that you're coming in, and I'm just going to use you as an example to illustrate this and prophesied to you at the same time. So it would be a win-win. So when you come into places in Europe, you know, I don't know why Europe is really highlighted to me right now for you. I see Eastern Europe. I see Western Europe. I even see places in Russia. I see a lot of cold nations because I keep seeing a just you go into like really cold climates for whatever reason right now. Not that you're limited to the cold climates.

I'm just going to hang out with Rick Renner, right? I mean, like, I don't know. But I see God sending you to hot spots in Europe. And I know it will be other nations as well. But I will also use this prophetic word to illustrate that when you come into that, now you come in with Anjohn's. Angelic hosts. And the gift of God on your life is you are going to displace and dismantle the demonic spirits, principalities and powers over those regions. And you're going to come in and God's actually going to cause angelic movement activity in those nations. So much so that when you leave, it will be a before and.

And after Tony came. Before Tony came, after Tony came. That'd be amazing. Yeah. I believe it for you. And it's like why? Because, you know, we discussed even before, you know, the show that, like, Romans 8 says that the earth is groaning for the sons and daughters of God to be revealed. And so, like, even the land, you know, I'm sure there are listeners that know way more than what I'm about to say right now. I'm just dangerously touching on the subject. But you guys know all about frequencies. You know all about frequencies, things that can be heard in the land right now.

So there is actually, there is a reality to that. And so because God created the heavens and the earth, the ground is groaning. The earth is groaning. There are sounds being released. And when God's sons and daughters literally walk upon a land and they begin to do the work of God, it looks different for all of us. I may preach the gospel and heal the sick. Well, you're going to come in and do some really awesome documentaries and you're going to cast those things out of the land. I mean, you know, it looks different for all of us how we advance the kingdom, but it's all valuable, right? And so it's like when you come into that place, like the kingdom of God comes. And so I believe in the demonic entities that are there,

but I also believe in the angelic territorial spirits. And so what opened my eyes to this reality was in 2013. I'm pregnant with, I have five children. I'm pregnant with my fourth child. And I have this dream. And in the dream, this man is speaking to me. And I'm getting ready to, I'm like in this, I don't know, like conference or something of some sort, which is not the center focus.

And I know that I'm going to be preaching and ministering and just like, sharing the gospel with people and hoping for salvation and healings and for people to come to Jesus. But before I do that, he looks at me and he says, you know that you have a territorial spirit, territorial spirit behind you right now. And I was like, I do not, sir, excuse me. I started getting all salty. Like I probably would in real life if somebody told me that. I was like, excuse me, sir, I do not. I was like, I am a Christian and I have Jesus with me. And he looked at me and he goes, whoever said, whoever said that I said it was demonic. I was like, what?

And he said, you have an angelic territorial spirit with you that God's assigned to minister with you. And his name is Star Territory. That's what he said. Wow. And boom, I woke up. And since 2013, I haven't shared this with anybody. Only recently you shared this. And it was only recently.

Only recently. And so people understand how to navigate this. The reason you didn't is because we have all these supernatural phenomenon happen. But the goal is to always get clarity. The goal is always to bring it to the word and to kind of take it through the siphon of good theology. But in this thing, the guy is saying, hey, there's this territorial angelic being and his name is star. And we're like, okay.

But you've got to kind of share like the last 24 hours. You're reading the book here by Michael Hein. We're talking about coming to visit you and being on the show and I know what you do. And I'm like, we're digging. We're like, man, this is good. Like, maybe Tony can like help us out. You know, like, maybe Tony can help me with this. Ask Tony.

You know. This segment is bought you by Ask Tony. Hey, there you go. So we start dialoguing about this more. And Larry recommends Michael Heiser's book, The Unseen, I've never heard of Michael Heiser. I've heard of George Otis Jr. Yes.

O.G. about this subject. Like Twilight Labyrinth. If you guys' audience here, if you haven't looked into it, get the book. And we are trying to convince George Otis Jr. To get it back in print. Please reprint it, George. I don't know if you can hear this. Like, we need your book.

We need your book. We need your book. territorial spirits gained entrance into the world and gave legal right. But I love it because he also gives a redemptive side of how we can take those nations and lands back because of what Jesus did. Well, Michael Heiser says a lot of the same things. And he talks about how that transgression and iniquity came into the world through sin. But I love that he also shares through Jesus. We can get those nations back. But this was the interesting piece that I found on the plane. I'm like, yeah, Lord, I'll, I'll share the, I'll share the dream. But then I sound really weird because what is

the star territory? Like, what is this? And here I am trying to find it. If, if I can't find it to, to quote him, I will paraphrase the best that I can. I can almost guarantee you. There's a whole bunch of people that have this memorized. I knew Tony would help. No, it would, it'll be confirmed. Okay. Oh, I think I found it on page 24. Oh, well, there you go. Okay. So he begins to talk about in Job 38 that the Sons of God are referred to as morning stars. And he starts to liken the stars with angels. So I'm like, oh my gosh, okay, this is okay.

You know, I'm not crazy, Tony. I'm not crazy. You know, so it's like he begins to talk about how, you know, the stars inhabited the divine realm and how a lot of people in ancient culture believed in the deity of the stars and all of these things. And so, anyways, and please speak into this because you may help decode even more, because I'm just submitting this dream to you. And then after, I want you to just kind of take it from here. And then I have something that I want to share that something else that happened in the dream. When I woke up, I heard the Holy Spirit tell me something a little bit extra about the dream. I want you to decode.

Yeah. Yeah. Make me feel uncomfortable here. No, no. I know you've got a piece of the puzzle here. I do. But no, with what he says there is stuff, I really do believe that with the dream, there is a merger with the idea of what you dreamt 13 years ago, which was before that book was written.

And what he's saying, yeah. I think that book was written in probably 2016 or 2015. Can you check real quick? I will. I know. I'm like, is it okay if I bring the book on set? Of course it is. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Well, I don't know. There's so many dates. I might be wrong. You know how to look at it. No, no. 2015. Yeah, yeah.

You got it. That book, I mean, didn't even exist when you had that dream. So it's not like you read it somewhere and it just seeped into your subconsciousness. But the idea of the stars, yeah, that that's a common. to scriptor. And even with so the ancients looked at the stars a lot.

They understood the significance of the stars. But there is a real, there is real activity that they would say that came from the stars angelic beings. But you know, you're in Merkel Media studio, so

like we have weird takes, right? But so I think about all those different stories that I hear. One that's coming in my mind right now is Troy Brewer when he was sitting here. Did he say this in the show yet? Yeah, he did. So he talks about in Chappas, Mexico, there is a pyramid that I think he said is the largest.

It's the largest on private property or something like that. It's a huge pyramid. and it's owned by an individual and an individual does not go to the pyramid because when the individual was a boy growing up on the property they did go to the pyramid and he says that two stars came out of the sky landed in front of them and told them never to come back

again the idea of stars but we know there's bad angels too you know what I'm saying and so in my mind I hear these different stories of the stars and with what Troy's mentioned and with what you're saying with your dream, it all marries. And I think one of the big things that people have to understand when you're talking about stuff is sometimes I think people forget the simplicity of there are good angels and there are bad angels. And so when you hear somebody's story about, you know, a star and a negative aspect of whatever this star being. did. Yes. Like, that's very real.

But from the opposite side, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's a whole army

of rebelled angels. Yeah. And what you, with your dream, it's not that. It's the good angel. But, uh,

I don't, I don't have it off the top of my head, but doesn't Paul talk about us being assigned angel, an angel or, like, the idea of a guardian angel. Well,

I would say this. A little bit. You know who does a great job on this is Tim Sheets. And he does talk about Jesus actually talks in the context of these little children who have an, he speaks of their angel. So there's two different perspectives on guardian angels. But there is a context there for when Jesus puts, you know, talking about children and their angel is always before the face of the father. So he does give a context for that. But yeah, you do have like.

I do believe that there's guardian angels. It only makes sense. Yeah. I mean, like, I think, I think that's so true what you're saying, specifically about the stars being likened to angels. Yeah, yeah. And so when I read that on the plane, I was like, oh my gosh, okay, this is something. And we're about to have a conversation.

You know, when I woke up from the dream, I immediately began to ask the Holy Spirit. Because Jesus says, and John, that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, Spirit of Truth. I need you to lead me to truth. you saying? What are you saying in your word? And again, this book confirmed what I felt like he told me in 2013. He said, this territorial spirit is angelic. And I've assigned him to you. And I don't even know if you said him. I've assigned this spirit to you as you minister in territories

to advance the kingdom of God through the gospel. Interesting. And I heard that. And I'm like, okay. And then it was like I kept getting, I'm not in a dream any longer when this happens, but it was like all day. And I have five kids. This was my fourth son. I homeschool my kids. Okay, my day's busy. I'm not in the prayer closet for eight hours. Okay, I'm praying. Lord, let us get through the day. I don't want to leave kids at the grocery store. I don't want to, they need to graduate. That's my miracle for the day. I get a shower. I mean, that's, That's a miracle, you know, at that time in my life. I'm like, I get the shower, you know, like, so I want people to know context when I'm getting this, you know.

So as I'm going and teaching my kids and changing diapers and doing all the things and cooking, I kept hearing the Lord just so, so good to follow me in my busy day and just whisper to me. And he kept saying it's for the nations. It's for nations. And at this time, I wasn't traveling anywhere. No. I wasn't preaching anywhere. I just didn't have a grid for a, no, not. of it. And so I've always just had this hidden in my heart. Like God, when you begin to send me to

territories and nations, I think you're telling me that you're, like I prophesied to you, you're going to back me up. You're going to send help. You're going to send me help. Somebody that's going to take care of me, you know, or not somebody, but you get what I'm saying. Like, I'm just going to have angelic help, okay? So I've always just hidden this in my heart. Well, listen to this that I think is so so powerful. Is that in Heiser's book? This is in Heiser's book and I read it and I'm like, this is it. He was talking about, remember I gave a precursor to the dream and I said that through

the Tower of Babel, through the rebellion, through sin, these things were given entrance into the land. And this is what Heiser said. He says that Babel's disinheritance was going to be rectified by the message of Jesus. the second Yahweh incarnate and his spirit, the nations would again be his. And that is a message of the gospel. The Bible says that Jesus is the desire of the nations. And so when we come in the name of Jesus to territories, cities, houses, workplaces, living rooms,

we can take that territory in the name of Jesus. and God will send us and show us some of us maybe. We don't have to sit there and strive for the revelation. I wasn't striving for it. I was like eight months pregnant and just sleepy all the time. Like I was just, I just went to bed. You weren't in intercession contending for us. And I wasn't trying to make myself see something.

You know, that's where God's sovereignty, I believe, comes in. Yeah, yeah. You know, we don't travel in the spirit on our own. That's counterfeit. That's astral projection. Our soul should not be trying to Stop out of the body. You know what I'm saying?

Pop out of the body. This is not that. You know? But like God and his sovereignty will give us dreams, visions. He will have us travel and translate. You know, but he's doing it. And he says when and where. And so I just went into this dream, but God was prophesying.

It was a prophetic dream. He was letting me know that, listen, when I say, send you to a nation. I'm sending you angelic help. And not only that, a lot of times now, when I travel and I'm about to have like a meeting of preaching the gospel and whatnot, not all the time, but sometimes God will either give me a dream or he'll give me like an internal impression of a territorial angel that's in that city, just waiting for partnership. Wow. Well, one of our first times we hung out, because I just think of that, being very practical. And it was a huge confirmation. I was getting ready to plan an event. We were

just all getting to know each other. This might have been the first time I ever connected with you at this dinner. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was actually in the process of putting together a big event, really totally led by the Holy Spirit in Peoria, Arizona at a church called Fresh Start Church, one of my favorite places on the planet, people who are literally going after territories for revival. But at this, I think at this dinner, you just kind of raised. Well, you, yeah, yeah. So we're just sitting and having dinner, and my husband had already met Larry, but I had not. And so we went to this dinner, and it was my first time meeting him, and he's talking about,

I'm putting together this event in Peoria, Arizona, and I would love for you guys to come. And I'm sitting there like, you look like going to spit your food out. I was like, what? Because the week before I woke up and it was like, you know, you ever have those dreams where you actually sit up in your room and you wake up, but you're really not awake. So it's like a dream within a dream kind of thing. I personally haven't. My wife has, and I've talked to lots of people who have.

Okay. So it was one of those times. That doesn't happen a lot to me, but it was one of those times where I woke up and sat up in the bed, and I saw written in the room Peoria, Peoria, that's it. That's all I saw. Peoria.

And then I really woke up, and I was like, whoa, I didn't wake up when I thought I woke up, but now I'm up. You know what I mean? Can I trust that I'm awake yet? I'm not standing. You know, have you ever seen that movie? What's that inception? Yes.

You know? Yeah. So it was kind of like an inception moment. I needed to spin the top, I think, you know? And so like, so I'm like, okay, so I start Googling Peoria. And actually, I think I did see Arizona. It was Peoria, Arizona. And I start Googling that, like, does that exist?

Is it real? And it did. And all I could find was like a professional basis. Spring camp out there. And I don't even remember which baseball team. And I was like, okay, well, all right. God bless Peoria. You know, like, that's all I knew to do.

Maybe they're winning the World Series. No, I don't know. I didn't even take it to the World Series. But I was just like, okay, God bless Peoria. And then I just was like, I remember like kind of just giving a prayer. Like, God, like, you put that city on my heart for a reason. So whatever's going on there, I don't know, but you do. bless it, Lord, just pour out your spirit.

Pour out your spirit on Peoria. And so that was it. Well, a few days later, I go to dinner. I meet Larry for the first time and he talks about an event that he's about to put on in Peoria, Arizona, and he invites my husband and I to come. Well, at this dinner, we have like a couple spiritual parents of ours that really mentor us. And one of the mentors, he looks over at me. And I was like, he goes, are you okay? And I was like, yes.

And so I told Larry, like, the whole thing. I'm like, this crazy thing happened. I'm just meeting him. And I'm like, he's probably going to think I'm nuts. Like, I'm crazy. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I have to tell you I had this whole thing. And so I start telling Larry about the whole thing. And then, like, one of my, our spiritual parents, you know, is Mike.

He was like, you know that means you have to go. Yeah, right. You know, like you have to be at that event, right? Like, you just, you find out as you go and just keep going. So long story short, we get there to this event. and God just downloads this word to me in my heart for this church. And he began to speak to me that they're like a headquarters in the spirit. I believe that, and God has shown me this when I've gone to certain cities,

that there's a remnant, there's a group of people, a body of believers that are contending for their city to be awakened by the spirit of God, to take the land and the territory back for Jesus, and to establish the kingdom of God there. And I believe that there's people who pray, there's people who seek God, there's people who worship and say, as for me and my city,

we're going to serve the Lord. And I felt like the Lord said, there's many headquarters, cities, headquarters in the spirit all around the globe, and this is one of them in Peoria. Sure enough, is I get to know the church. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

They dedicate hours of prayer. intercessory prayer, meaning standing in the gap for our nation, but they do it for the nation of the United States of America, that our nation would be awakened, that our nation would be revived, that our nation would be saved. They really stand in the gap and pray that all of the negative things that were seen would just be flipped in our nation and that the United States of America would be a godly nation once again. And so they really take ownership. Wouldn't you say? And they've been in sustained revival for nine years, Kim and Paul Owens, and legit, not emotion, not hype. But here's the thing, literally, like right now, again, a swirl of God.

Do you know that, because you got up that day when we did the event, there's Sunday morning, you got up at Kim Owens, the pastor, had you released that work? She did. She had you release that. Do you know what, remember what Paul preached about that day? It was a message they've never preached again. But the pastor, that Sunday, preached on angels. That's right. He preach a, I've never heard them preach about angels before or since. It was not a series. And you wonder, looking back and reflection, if that's just one of those strange confirmations of God, I have no doubt that there is a territorial angel, some territorial

angel of awakening. Even as I say that, I feel the Holy Spirit. Like there are these territorial angels of awakening over cities, over territories, over regions. And some might be like, well, yeah, is that? that like God's sovereignly choosing places? He could. He has the right to. But like you were saying, I think there's some draw humanity has hungry humanity. Who want to see God break into a territory between the worship, the prayer, the intercession. I think it's almost this collision where spiritually hungry people colliding with the sovereignty of God create this territorial

zone of God's glory. I saw this in Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in Miami ready to, you know, be a part of a group of people. I was going to preach the gospel and was going to have a meeting. And I knew I was going to preach the next day. Well, the night before I met with a group of leaders and pastors. And there was a pastor that was just like, you know, yeah, we've planted this church out here in Miami. And we're just believing God that he'll just move in this city and that we'll see salvations.

But it's just been so hard. You know, it's been so hard to get people to come to church, to want to come to church. to have a desire for the things of God. And he said, yeah, there was a well-known preacher. And he told me his name, and I won't repeat it, because we would all know who it is because he's been around that long. But it's like there was a well-known preacher who came through here. And he said, man, he said, Miami is a preacher's graveyard.

Anybody who wants to plant a church here, I just would like to advise you not to. And he said he felt so discouraged. And I went to bed that night. And I was like, it doesn't sound. have a Bible. I usually always carry my Bible. It doesn't sound like, I know this isn't the Bible. No one send Tony emails. You call your phone up. It's on there. It is on there. Because I have my Bible actually in my bag. It doesn't sound like this. You know, like I said, like if somebody text messaged my kids and said, here's a message from your mom. No, that doesn't sound like my father.

He would not speak judgment like that over a city. Jesus paid too high of a price for us to just write off cities and right off nations. and ride off people. He paid for Miami. He died on the cross for Miami. Like his blood that was shed. It was shed for Miami and the people of Miami. And he wants good things for that city. And so I just was, I was mad when I went to bed. And I'm like, God, this isn't right. This doesn't sound like you. And so I went to bed and I went into this dream. And in this dream, I'm standing right there in Miami, right on the ocean. And it's sunrise. I know this in the dream. And I'm standing on the shore and all of a sudden I just see this gigantic being just walk like legs just walk right on the shore of Miami.

And this being was so big that like his legs, feet, I just saw it go up through the clouds where I couldn't even see like a face or anything. And I was like what I was just completely. overtaken, like, by this being. And I said in the dream, it was a little bit lucid. I said in the dream, I said, Holy Spirit, what is this? Because I think I do that almost in my dreams, because I'm always doing it, like, like, lead me into truth. Lead me to truth. Like, what, what revealed Jesus to me in this, you know? And so I'm like, Holy Spirit, what is this? And he says, it's the angel of awakening. And I'm like, okay, what does that mean? And he's like, it's like the Zach. Zachariah chapter 4.

When the angel came to Jack, Zachariah says, I was like a man who was sleeping. I was like a man who was sleeping. And the angel of the Lord awakened me. And so the Holy Spirit said, this is the angel of awakening. And as soon as he said that, it was like the map of America. Like you know on your phones, when you can zoom in and out with your fingertips, it was like somebody zoomed out before me the map of America. And as soon as he said, it was so fast, so explaining it is longer than what it was. But as soon as he said, this is the angel of awakening,

according to Zachariah chapter four, the map of America was before me and it zoomed out. And I saw from the tip of Miami all the way up the eastern coast, the eastern seaboard coast, all the way up to Maine. I saw a fire lit, like somebody lit a match. And it was. fire going all the way up like a line. And he said, this is the angel of awakening that I have assigned over this territory. And the eastern seaborne basically will be lit with the fire of the Holy Spirit. And he said this area, and he quoted Malachi III, he said, and this area, this territory, meaning this line of fire that I saw, will be known as the land of the rising sun. but S-O-N.

And then he began to quote Malachi chapter 3 when the Son of God comes with healing in his wings. Now we know that if we look in history and revival history that the East Coast really has a rich history of revival and awakening, the first and second great awakening that came into our nation droves of people being awakened by the presence of God, like basically people coming in and saying, what must I do to be saying? Over whole territories and geography.

Whole territories. So a lot of times, you know, have you heard of spiritual mapping? You know, sometimes people, and I'm not negating it. It's okay. People do spiritual mapping to know what kind of like demonic entrances came. I feel like for me it's a little bit unconventional. It's a little bit different. But I feel like sometimes God will give me spiritual mapping, but let me know where the land is rich.

with revival, awakening, the gospel, and what angels are actually assigned there, and how we can partner with the angels, and God's there to give us that angelic help. We just have to do something with it. So what do I mean by do something with it? God spoke to me in Luke chapter 10, a strategy. And if you read Luke chapter 10, he gave me, because this started a whole thing with me. I'm like, okay, God, what do we do about this? Because I'm kind of like a little bit of an action. person. I'm like, tell me what to do. I'm ready to go. And I heard him speak to me. Luke chapter 10 is the strategy. When you enter into a city, he says, you eat the food that served to you. And I'm always like, amen, because I'm a foodie. He's like, when you enter into a city, you eat the

food that served to you, you preach the gospel, you heal the sick, and you tell them that the kingdom of God is at hand. So he said, that's your, I remember how you said, we got to stay in our lane, right? So that's my lane. That's what I'm going to do. And I don't know. It may not always be churches. But when I enter into a city, I know somehow whether it's a thousand, five thousand or just one person, when God opens up a city, I enter into the city, I preach the gospel, I share the gospel, I heal the sick. And I tell them the kingdom of God is near. It's come upon you.

That's good news. And it should be good news. The gospel should be good news. And he says, so that's the strategy. But then if you continue to read Luke chapter 10. Jesus not only empowered his 12 disciples with the Holy Spirit to go out and to preach the gospel, because he was actually telling them, right? Remember Luke chapter 10, he's giving them a strategy into that city, how to take the territories.

But then he empowered the 70. So there was even more of a multiplication, sending, go out. He empowered the 70 to go, preach the gospel, heal the system. and tell them that the kingdom of God has arrived. Then they come back and they say what? Even the demons are, you know, like they come back with testimonies and good reports. This happened, that happened. And what did Jesus say?

He said, while you were out ministering, I saw Satan fall down like lightning. And he begins to talk to them about the spiritual authority that they have, that when you go out, do not fear because nothing by any means will hurt you. And God began to speak to me in that moment about territorial spirits, angelic territorial spirits, about what Michael Heiser says, taking back the disinherited land that was lost through sin. But now we can retrieve it back because of what Jesus has done. And the angels will be there to help us. And that is a form of warfare. A form of warfare, spiritual warfare, may be to pray and intercede.

And we need that. prayer. But God gave me another tool, another way of spiritual warfare is to go out on that land. Go into a city, preach the gospel, heal the sick, tell them that the kingdom of God is at hand. And then he began to take me in scripture where Jesus, you know, Jesus is an amazing leader. He's not going to tell people to do things that he's not willing to do. He exemplified Luke chapter 10. All throughout the gospels, what did he do? He entered into a city. He ate the food that was given to them.

He preached the gospel of the kingdom. He healed the sick. And he said, the kingdom of heaven is at hand. It's within reach. And he began to give. And it was a form of spiritual warfare. Taking those lands, those territories that had been lost, he was taking them back. And then Heiser goes even further.

And he says in Acts 2, when the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was poor. out and fire. He was saying that was the way that God was getting the nations. He said, sometimes we skim over it. And yes, there was these signs and wonders. It was a beautiful thing, right? Peter was preaching and 3,000 came in that day and gave their lives to Jesus. He said, but sometimes we skim over the list of nations. That's true. Yeah. The list of nations, he says, that the languages, the list of nations that were represented, it was a sign and a wonder that what was lost in the Tower of Babel, all of those demonic covenants,

all of the iniquity and the sin, Jesus took back the keys of the kingdom. He took it back from the devil when he died. And when he rose again, now we have authority in him to get those keys of authority back in the nations and in the land. So that's my take. It's different on territories and territories.

spirits. I love it so much. Thank you, Michael Heiser. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. We honor him with a cloud of wishes. Yes. He is sorely missed. Wow. That's, that's really good. And I think we're going to bring it in for landing now on that. Yeah. Why don't we tell people where they can get your book? And basically just, I want you guys to just dump anything you want to Tell people about. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Help me.

All these little things. Yeah, you can get all of their books, all of the Evans books on Amazon. Amazon, yeah, that's the easiest place. That's the easiest. Yeah, go to Amazon. Yep. All right. And get the books and let us know.

Like, you can follow me on Instagram. There you go. Miriam Evans. One of the favorite things that I love when people come to our meetings or they read our books is I get loads of testimonies and medical reports of people being. healed. And not only that, maybe it's not like a physical healing, but like there was a deliverance. Somebody got delivered of addiction or somebody who was walking the earth without purpose. Something was heard. They heard something that spoke life to them. So follow me on Instagram and let me

know how this blessed you. Let Tony know how it blessed you. And yeah, I just see such a great community. Can I add this to the confessionals? Of course. Yeah. You know, we were talking earlier about sometimes people's greatest battles indicate what they're called to. And when we were talking about that, I really think that God reminded me that the reason why I knew what my indicator was, my calling was, is because I was surrounded by a real healthy community. And Larry and his wife, Mercedes, it's like continue, God continues to send us good community of people that will speak into our lives

and encourage us. And I feel, Tony, that the confessionals is going to be like a really awesome, healthy community for your listeners, for your audience, that what they're going through, what they're seeing, what they're experiencing, that they're going to have a safe place to share, and that there's going to be a community that's going to come in with encouragement, and that's going to come in with, like, words of wisdom and yourself, too, that it's just going to, that's going to take your your audience to another level because God's going to really like help create such a healthy community in the confessionals where people have a safe place to share what's happening and people to help them through it to see the good things on the other side.

Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah. I appreciate you guys coming in. This is a pleasure for us. Yeah, this is. You help decode something. Truly. I mean, you and Heiser help decode things. for me. Yes. Well, I think this is a fantastic conversation and I had a lot of fun.

Yeah. I feel like just I picked up a lot, you know, and I hope the audience did as well. And I know you guys got a flight coming up here. So we're going to bring it for a landing.

I hope everybody enjoyed the show. And, yeah, let's get out of here. And Jack, stop the recording. Oh, wait. He's not here.

I gotta go do that myself. You're jack of all trades. Yes, yes. Beyond just a roof, it's a sickness.