The Confessionals - 78: Abducted With Lost Time

Episode Date: July 14, 2018

Tonight, Ryan shares his missing time experiences and how as they happened to him and his friends he realized that he was being abducted. From missing time to ET-like entities running through his house, don't miss this jaw-dropping abduction episode!  Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheConfessionals Website: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com Email: [e-mail] Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast Twitter: @TConfessionals Tony's Twitter: @tony_merkel

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Why don't you listen to the show first and then decide if you want them to listen to the show as well? Because there are some kind of sensitive things that are talked about in this show that you may not want your kids to listen to. But this show is going to be awesome. We have about a two and a half hour long interview with Ryan, and it is going to make your jaw hit the floor. So let's go. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it.

I saw beach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. Well, the giant moves. He's got a spear in one hand. And he's running really fast.

And spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face. Shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated. Closer, got closer, got closer, got closer. When he got about 15 yards away, he goes and I blow his head off. I feel something pulling at my leg.

And I look over, and there are two small, gray and the teeth pulling at me. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand

into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody.

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Now, this week's show, we have Ryan coming on, and Ryan has a very detailed life of things that happen to him that are very unexplainable, and the only thing that you can conclude as far as him and I go is the fact that he was probably being abducted throughout most of his life, and he shares the missing time that comes with that, the fact that it happened with him and friends. This wasn't something that he was alone and it happened to him. It happened to him and his friends. But the one constant variable is it was Ryan there. So without any further delay, let's get to Ryan right after this. Okay, tonight I have a great guest coming on. It's actually a patron of mine. Ryan, Ryan, how you doing, man? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing well, man. So you sent me this email. I think it was actually before you became a patron and we started discussing you coming on the show because you have some. pretty incredible experiences, to be honest with you. When I was reading it and stuff, I mean, you didn't go into great detail in the email, but the way you laid it out, it really shows a

storyline that's kind of like pops out at you and stuff, especially with, you know, some of the possible extraterrestrial abductions that you, you know, we'll just say possible. I'll let you describe, you know, how you view it from here. So, but why don't we just start off with you as a kid and some of the experiences you had as a kid because you believe that most of your life experiences as you had have tied into, you know, your experiences with the quote-unquote alien deduction. So why don't we just start off when you're a kid and work us through, you know, your story here, man. Okay. Well, you got it. Well, I grew up. I grew up just outside of Pittsburgh. About a half hour north of the city. Kind of a small quiet town. We were right like on the border.

like south into the east of us was like a Pittsburgh suburbs kind of build up you know the steel towns and then north and to the west of us was just all country the county that I grew up in we bordered West Virginia Panhandle and in eastern Ohio um that might come into play later if we get into it but it's I don't know if we will but um anyway so yeah it was I grew up in the mid 80s I was born in 1980 and the weird thing started probably around 1986, 1987, I would say, around the time that I was six or seven years old. The first experience that I actually remember was it was wintertime. We used to have to keep our shoes in the basement.

You could go in our back door. As soon as you walk in the back door, there was the stairs to the basement. And we would keep our boots and everything down there in the wintertime. So we weren't tracking snow and all that through the house. house. And I remember we were going to get a haircut that day. It was around 6 o'clock in the evening. We had gotten home from school. My older brother, he's two years older than me. He was already outside playing with one of the neighbor kids. So my mom told me to go go downstairs and get my boots. We had to leave to go get our hair cut. And they were going to be waiting in the car.

So I flipped on the basement light and I start walking down the basement. In our basement, it was kind of like a dungeon. It was never finished, you know, exposed pipes and drywall and everything. I get about halfway down the steps and I noticed that there's three shadows. It's like three, I don't know, they're like tall and skinny shadows standing in the middle of the basement. And I kind of stopped and looked at it and I was thinking there's, you know, there's going to be a reason for this. I'm going to see what's casting the shadow. And when actually one of the shadows turned and looked in my direction and I could kind of hear a foot cuff on the, on the concrete floor. So actually I ran back up the steps.

I never got my boots. I actually put slippers on. Never even told my mom. I went down and got in the car. And I remember she was pretty, pretty P-Oed at me whenever we got to the haircut place. And she realized I was wearing wet slippers because I ran through the snow.

And that's really my first experience that I remember. And it kind of seems like that's what kicked everything. I don't know if that's what kicked everything off if that's just what I remember first. Can I ask you a question for you going any further? How old were you again with this? At six or seven at the most. Okay. Yeah, I was pretty young.

So you're six or seven and you see these shadows in your basement. And the reason why I wanted to cut you off here, because I didn't want to forget to ask you this question. It might be important later towards, you know, how you are as a person. But what inside of you do you think made you not want to tell your mom that there's a possibility that there's three people at least? released in the house? Um, was always kind of, um, you know, my parents got divorced when I was young.

My mom worked two jobs. He was always kind of like, uh, cut and dry, you know, um, if I had a bad dream and I, he wouldn't be dismissive and like, uh, she wasn't like dismissive, but I don't think she ever bought into it. You know what I mean? Um, you know, and I would tell her about my experiences and most of the time, it was just kind of, well, that's your imagination or you're seeing things or, you know,

and just kind of, I think it was her way of trying to comfort me, but she didn't understand what I was going through. So, and she was like that also and I had all the stories like that where, you know, she was, like I said, not dismissive like in an ignorant way, like, you know,

she didn't care because she did, she would ask me about it, but then she would always kind of try to, I don't know, wrap a ribbon around it, you know what I mean? Yeah. So, You know, I don't know. I guess at that point, I don't know.

I don't know if there was something that happened earlier, but I guess at that point I already knew it. Don't even bring it up. So, yeah, I never said anything. Okay. And I remember coming home that night after we got our hair cut. She had to go down in the basement because that's where our washer and dryer was. And I remember following her down the steps because I was afraid.

I was like nervous. She's going down in the basement. And I just saw this. And we get down there and there's nothing, you know. She threw those clothes in the laundry room. We went back upstairs. and that was it. And I don't think I've ever told anybody that.

But that's kind of where it all started. Okay. Yeah, I was just curious because, I mean, it's just, it's one of those things where every kid's different. And I know even when I was a kid, I'll just tell you this, a little side note, just to relate with you a little bit before you go any further. When I was a kid, my parents were looking for a new car. We stopped in a used car a lot. And we pulled up next to a car that had a guy inside. And I got out of the car with my parents who were walking away.

from the car and I just never felt right about that guy. And we're probably about, I'd say, 50 yards away from the car. And I just turn around as a kid, I look back and I swear I saw somebody inside my parents' car. And I turn around and I didn't say anything of my parents because I just thought I was imagining things and I didn't want my dad to get mad at me for whatever reason. Then you're a kid and you think mom and dad are going to get mad over silly things. And we go back to the car a little while later, turn. turns out there was somebody in my mom, mom and dad's car, and my mom's purse was stolen. And so, you know, it's one of those things where, like, I saw something.

I thought I saw something, but I didn't say anything. I didn't say, hey, mom and dad, is there somebody in our car? I mean, that would have been simple to do, but I didn't do it. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, and I thought about that before, too.

You know, like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess at the time, I didn't think of it as burglar. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I know it didn't belong there, whatever was in the basement. But I didn't think of it as like burglars. Like, okay, I'm going to leave and these people are going to rob my house. That's not like that didn't go through my mind. Yeah, I don't know.

I just turned around, bolted up the stairs and put my slippers on and ran down to the car. So I don't know. Anyway, like, that's where it kind of like all kind of, like, kicked off. Around this time, we had, um, do you remember that there was like these action figures back in the 80s? It was almost like a cheap knockoff of G. And I think they were called G. that escapes me okay i could be wrong i think they were gut because i used to talk about this guy i used to talk about this one guy all the time i used to call him the guts guy so we got these these toys that

like tamar or something like that um these little action figures and there was this one guy he was like they would come like dressed up and different you know one guy would be like an army guy one would be a ninja you know you get like a different with each guy but we had this one like army guy and I mean they were like two inches tall like soft rubber um and he was an army guy like in all army fatigue um face painted with camo he had like the red headband like rambo you know this was the 80s so it was probably pretty popular and um we had this gut guy this this little boy and i remember one night i woke up in the middle of the night and this was around the same time the same time that like the whole shadows in the basement thing happened.

And I woke up in the middle of the night and his guts guy is standing at the foot of my bed. And he's about three feet tall. And it was the same, I mean, it was the action figure guy standing at the foot of my bed. Now, I don't think my action figure guy came to life or anything. I think it was a screen memory. I don't know if that was projected on me or if it was like some kind of like self-preservation in my own mind. but I remember sitting up and rubbing my eyes

and looking at them again and he actually blink and at that point I freaked out I started hollering for my mom I pulled the blankets over my head and she came back flip the light on to see what was wrong

and nothing was there so she told me you know you were probably having a dream that was a nightmare you know you thought you saw something but there was nothing there and I bought that at first but this guy came back several times

and it was always the same guy but what's weird about it so like the next time he came back same thing it's the same guy the same that's the guy that I had that's the only way that I can describe it but the second time he came back he's wearing like a

like a cheap Halloween costume of like a vampire like something that you would buy at the store for you know for Halloween for your little kid like a like a cheap black tape with a collar flipped up his hair

slick back and I mean I could swear I think he even had like the fake plastic bangs in his mouth and same thing he's standing as to put in my bed just looking at me same thing I sat up and I'm looking at him and I'm trying to you know like thinking like okay wake up or let your eyes focus and he's literally just standing there looking at me um and then I had like a third experience with him where I was actually in a different bedroom I was in my mom's room one night um my brother and my stepdad weren't there for the night so I was sleeping on my mom's floor I I put my sleeping bag down on her floor and I woke up in the middle of night and the same, same guy.

But he was in like a blue, like a blue jumpsuit. It was either like a jumpsuit or a wet suit. I don't know. It was like a one piece blue suit. And he had like a gun like held up to the side of his head like kind of like, you know when you see like cop shows or something like that when they like hold the gun up to the side of their head. It's kind of pointing up in the air.

And that's what he was doing. And he looked at me and he shushed me. Like put his finger over his lips. And at that point, I didn't even say anything to my mom. You know, I just, I just rolled over and went back to sleep. But I was wide awake. I mean, I know it wasn't, I wasn't dreaming. Wow.

Like, it's weird. I think there's screen memories. What do you mean by that? Definitely. Well, okay, going back to the whole alien abduction thing. You know, the more you look into it, and I've never heard of somebody, having their action figure come to life or anything like that. But there's a lot of stories where people will,

they'll remember something that seemed out of place, like an owl looking in their bedroom window at them or something, you know? And then later they go through like hypnotic regression. And it turns out it wasn't an owl. It was actually a gray alien. And, you know, that's the only thing that I can rationalize. I don't know. And again, like I said, I don't know if that's like a self-preservation thing that our own mind does

or if that's something that like an outside force is like projecting on you, you know, maybe to calm you down or something. Why it picks these goofy outfits, like, I don't know. I mean, you know, the first time it kind of made sense, he showed up in Army fatigues, like the action figure. but when he came back in a deep vampire Halloween costume, I don't know. Weird. I mean, these are strange stories, you know, so it's like, I don't know.

I don't know. I mean, I really don't know how to explain it. So if I'm hearing you right, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I want to make sure I'm picturing this right. Initially, when you started telling this story, I was thinking that you were seeing your actual toy. But what you're saying is this is something else that was dressed like your toy? It was, it was the actual toy.

I mean, it was the face and everything. But it was, I mean, the toy was a two or three inch tall action figure. But what was at the foot of my bed was as high as the bedpost. I mean, three, three and a half feet tall. But it was him. It was his face. So it wasn't the actual toy, but it was something that was. that looked just like the toy

because your toy was a lot smaller, right? Right, right. Yeah, like my boy, it was like a little rubber DIY guy, but this was like an exact replication of him. Gotcha. You know, there was at the foot of my bed. And then, like, you know, the first time,

it was an Army guy, but the first time I saw him and he was in Army fatigue, it kind of made sense. And I thought, you know, my mom said, well, you know, you must, it's just your imagination. You're dreaming. Okay, you know, I'll buy that. But when he came back and, like, like a vampire Halloween costume.

Okay, now it's like, you know, I don't know about that. But it was the same guy again. You know, it was the same guy. He came back at least three times that I remember. And I don't know how to explain it. It sounds extremely weird. I don't know. No, yeah.

I mean, so just, you know, one more time before we move on, I just want to make sure I have this right in my head. First time he came back. He appeared to you looking like your, your toy and then what was the second and third time that he looked like or it looked like um the second time he came back and he again it was the same guy same face i mean it was him but uh or looked like him a second time he was like a vampire i like it was a cheesy like a cheesy costume like a bad representation of a vampire like you know when you're little

you can get like those cheap Halloween costumes at the store right Yeah. Like, that's what it was like he was wearing. You know, it was like a cheap, you know, he had like a black cape on with like the collar flipped up. His hair was flipped back. And like I said, I, to this day, I swear he even had to fake plastic bangs in his mouth. And that was the second time. And then the third time was he was in like a blue jumpsuit.

Blue jumpsuit or a wet suit. And he was holding a gun. And that was in a different bedroom. He was like peeking around the corner. But again, it's the same side. Yeah, I don't know what to make of it. And the third time, I didn't even say anything. You know, I didn't scream to my mom or anything.

I just kind of rolled over and went back to sleep because, I don't know. I mean, nothing would have come of it, you know. Right. Yeah, I mean, that's just, that's pretty crazy. One of the patrons is commenting and said that it reminds him of the story, Indian in the cupboard. Have you ever heard that story before? I read that when I was really, really young.

Yeah. Kind of, but I think in India in the cupboard, they were still little. They were toys that came to life. Right. Yeah, no, this thing was, I mean, it was still three, three and a half feet tall. So that's like, it wasn't like my little toy running around. You know what I mean? It wasn't like my toy was like came to life and was running around on the floor.

I think that, like, you know, this thing grew three feet tall and was at the foot of my bed. But like I said, I don't think it was my toy. I think it was a screen memory. And I just don't know if that was by my own doing or an outside force. That's my take on it. Gotcha. Okay. Well, why don't we move on from that then?

And what other stories do you have leading up to some of the major events in your life? Okay. So, well, around this time, I was like, I was in elementary school. And from elementary school, really all the way through high school, and it was around the same time that it started, I would wake up randomly. It wasn't every night, but I would wake up randomly, and there would be either dead leaves at the foot of my bed, like under the blankets. My socks will be muddy. I mean, it didn't make any sense. You know, I kept my bedroom relatively clean.

My mom was kind of like a clean freak. So I actually wouldn't even tell her. I would just, like, bundle them up and throw them off the window and go to school. But that was always something to bother me. You know, I think at the time I tried to brush it off as, you know, I must have been, like, sleepwalking out in the backyard. You know, when you look back at it in hindsight, that doesn't really make sense. But I think that was kind of the way that I rationalized it at the time.

because I didn't know anything about I didn't know anything about anything goes paranormal like nothing you know so I would just try to rationalize it with my own life experience and that happened yeah I mean pretty much from around that time

at least through my teenage years that hasn't happened in a while probably like 15 years but it happened for a good period of time when that was happening did you think that you were sleepwalking I mean what were your thoughts on it

well that was the only way that I could rationalize I thought maybe that I had gone out and like the fact that I'll work sleepwalking in the middle of the night and drug a bunch of leaves into the house which was all that I could that was what I rationalized to that right you know looking back on it though how did these leaves stick to my feet

as I walked all the way down the hallway to my bedroom you know, like, you know, looking back on it now, like, you know, from kind of like a hindsight point of view, that doesn't really make sense. But, but, but yeah, at the time, I mean, it really didn't bother me. I'd clean my bed up. I'd throw the leaves out the window and go to school and just, like, it was, you know, change my thought. Yeah.

I mean, because that's a, that's a good, hey, I think sleepwalking is a great explanation for it when you're, especially when you're a kid, you're like, I must have been sleepwalking, you know? Uh, and right, you know, but when you bring up the fact of the leaves, uh, sticking to the bow of your feet, like that, that does, you know, that doesn't make sense, you know, unless you're doing something weird with leaves, you know, carrying a house or something. Right. I didn't live in a trail or something. Yeah, I don't. Yeah. So there was no trail. No, no. It was like they were just bundled up at the foot of my bed. And my thoughts would be money. Wow. And that was it, you know, but the doors were all locked. I mean,

There was no sign of me or anybody coming or going. So, yeah, but I have no recollection of anything, you know. I mean, it was like I'd go to sleep. My mom would wake me up in the morning to go to school and, you know, oh, man, there's sleep just to put on my bed again. What do I do? You know? And I, you know, I don't know.

Yeah, I just, you know, like, I just kind of rationalized it off. And, you know, at this time, like, what I would say is, like, I didn't start. I had a, well, I had a pretty close-up UFO sighting in 2009, and it really wasn't until then that I sort of piecing these things together. For most of my life, I thought that, like, people just had weird experiences and didn't talk about it. So I brushed a lot of things off. I've probably forgotten more things than I remember, you know, that have happened to me because I just brushed them off. So a lot of these things that might not make sense, but a lot of these things, I mean, I don't know.

I mean, when you go through it, it's hard to explain. It's just kind of like you brush it off or you try to rationalize it and then you just go about your day. It's hard to explain. No, I think it makes sense, though, Ryan. I really do because most people don't spend their lives focusing on these types of things. So when it happens, it catches you off guard. And if you don't really focus on this kind of thing, you really don't know what to do with it. Like, you just, it's like it happened, but, you know, who do you talk to and do you talk to somebody?

Is it a big deal? You don't know. You don't. I totally get it. Right. Yeah. You just kind of like put it in a box and, you know, and it wasn't until years later that these things kind of all sort of like coming back to me and I started like pieceing them together, you know. So, and I guess these are like the highlights of it to kind of suck out. Like I said, I'm sure I've forgotten more than I even remember, but.

But yeah, I went through that, like pretty much, like I said, from elementary school through high school. And then I guess when I was going through puberty was when things really kind of ramped up for me. I remember, and this happened quite a few times to me when I was maybe 12, 11 or 12. I was in eighth grade, I remember. I woke up in the middle of a night and my bedroom was it was covered in a it was like the whole room was lit up red

and at the time I thought that there was somebody backing their car up to my bedroom window in my backyard and I was seeing the brake lights shining in through the window and so I got up and I kind of started crawling down the foot of my bed and the window was at the foot of my bed. So I'm kind of crawling down the foot of my bed towards the window.

The closer I get to the window, it's almost like this red light. It's like it gets sucked out by a vacuum through the window. I mean, it's almost like I can see it getting sucked out of the window, if that makes sense. By the time I get to the window, there's nothing there. It's black. My room's dark. And within 30 seconds, a minute, my nose just starts profusely bleeding. And, like, I thought I was going to bleed to death. The first time that it happened, I got up and ran into the bathroom, and I've never had a, like, a nose weed like that before.

Like, you know, they say, like, pinch your nose, put your head back. When I would do that, I would actually start soaking on blood. It was like, like, somebody, like, had turned on a faucet. Wow. And it didn't stop. I mean, it went for a good solid 20 minutes. where I was almost to the point where I was going to wake my mom up because I was starting to get nervous.

I'm going to bleed to death. I mean, I was, you know, it's running out of my nose. I took my head back. I have to spit it into the sink and it just would not stop. And I've had nosebleeds before, you know, kind of get them randomly, maybe like seasonal allergies or something like that. It lasts a couple minutes. I mean, this was 20 minutes, just profuse, could not.

I mean, choking on it. It was crazy. And so the first time that it happened, the next day at school, I remember, you know, I was a pretty energetic kid. You know, I was 12 years old. I didn't really tire easily. And I remember this day, like, I mean, I had a hard time keeping my head up in class. I was struggling just to walk through the halls to get from one class to the other. I was so exhausted.

So it happened to me again, and I want to say, and I can't be positive with this, but I want to say it was exactly. two weeks later to the day. The same exact thing happened. So I wake up in the middle of night. My room's completely covered in red light. So this time I think, all right, I'm going to bust whatever this thing is. And we're going back to before. The first time, I actually went out before school in the backyard and was looking to see

tire tracks in the backyard. I still hadn't feast anything together. I was still thinking a car had backed up to my back window. But it's not possible because the way my backyard is, there's on the one side of the house is a hedgerow that runs up and then there's a pool shed and then at a 90 degree angle is a wooden or a metal fence and then we had a big wooden deck around a swimming pool you couldn't fit a car into my backyard and that's the way i guess i looked it seemed to me like it was a brake light backing up my window but i mean i checked i went

out in the backyard the next day there's no tire tracks and i was looking to see how anybody could squeeze a car into our backyard and it's not possible So it happened two weeks later, and I want to say it was two weeks to the day later. The same exact thing. I woke up in the middle of the night. My room's covered in red light. So I'm moving my way towards the window. It gets sucked out like a vacuum is sucking the light out of the window.

Nothing there. Bang, my nose starts bleeding again. Same thing. And I was actually, I was so tired the first time that it happened. But the second time that it happened, I actually skipped school. I played hockey the next day because I was afraid to go to school. Why were you scared to go to school? Because of how tired I was.

I've never been that tired in my life. And I can't do this again. So I went out. I hid behind the bullshit and waited so my mom went to work. And then I crawled in my bedroom window and went back to sleep. Oh, man, you're slick. Right. You got to do it.

Well, it was rough. My mom was a nurse. So I could never play six. Gotcha. I'd have to. But, but yeah, I,

I mean, I couldn't go to school that day, and I knew it. You know, I knew it. And that actually, that happened to me again in college. My dorm room was on the first floor,

and actually my window overlooked the student parking lot. I went to IUP. You're probably familiar with the area. Yeah. So I, I woke up one night. night, and it must have been around like four or five o'clock in the morning. And same thing.

My whole room's lit up red, but this time I didn't even remember the previous instances, you know, and I'm thinking, again, somebody's pulling up to the window, and I'm thinking it's one of the guys from the dorm hall, been out partying all night. So I'm kind of like laughing. I'm like, man, who's coming home at this time? And I'm walking to the window to go see, you know, which one of the guys that lived in my hall is coming home at 5 o'clock in the morning. And I open on my curtain and look out the window, and we had gotten like seven or eight inches of snow that night.

Every car in the parking lot was covered in snow. The parking lot hadn't been plowed yet. All the cars outside the window, I mean, no car had been backing up to that window. I mean, like I said, they didn't even, there weren't even tire tracks going through the parking lot. They didn't plow yet. And again, like, as soon as that realization hit me, when I looked out the window and realized it wasn't, you know, of my buddies coming home from a party, the nose bleeding started. And it was rough because I had to run like the entire hallway down to the bathroom.

And same thing. You know, I mean, it just bled non-stop for 20 minutes, profusely for 20 minutes. And same thing, I should get fast the entire next day. I couldn't get out of bed. I mean, it felt like I just ran a marathon. I mean, it's hard to, it's like another level of exhaustion. you know, I think the first time it happened, I thought it was from loss of blood. I don't know if that's medically possible.

It made sense to me at the time. It kind of still makes sense to me now. But I don't know. I've never been that tired in my life. I don't know what causes it. I don't know if it's loss of blood. I don't know if there's more to it that I just don't remember. I don't know.

I don't know. It's kind of weird. But that's the only three times that it's ever happened to me like that. I mean, at least to that level, you know? Yeah, I mean, I want to ask you this. Because to me, it sounds crazy with how you're describing it because from what you're saying, it sounds like the red light was within the room and you're saying it was being sucked out. So did it look like the light was coming in through like a window or was it just like,

I don't know, like a perfect blend? I don't know. Yeah, the whole room was engulfed. I mean, it was almost like there was a red light in the room. But as I get closer to the window, it's almost like, like if it was like smoke and you hold a vacuum up to it, I mean, that's the only way I can describe it. And it literally just sucked right out of the window.

But when I would first wake up, I mean, the whole room was engulfed in red. Like there was like a red light bulb on or something is kind of what it seemed like. That's really interesting. Yeah. That's really interesting. I'm really curious to hear if there's anybody else out there listening to this that has experienced this because it seems like, I mean, I have never talked to anybody that's experienced what you're describing, but it also seems to me like it's something that maybe there's a lot of people that have experienced it and they just don't talk about it, you know? I would hope so.

I mean, I'd love to hear from somebody that experienced it because a lot of these things, like I said, I just can't, the day I can't rationalize, you know? I don't know. I'd love to hear somebody else's story and at least to confirm that I'm not crazy. Well, we've been talking for about 40 minutes and you don't sound crazy to me yet. Good, good. Yeah, no, it's people experience crazy things in this world, man. They really do. And everything seems extra crazy because everybody else who's experiencing crazy things don't want to talk about it.

And so I think the, more people talk about, the more we're going to look around and say, you know what, this is more common than we thought, you know? So, why don't you just kind of take us back to more of the chronological stuff? Okay, sure. Um, so my next, uh, next thing that I actually remember, and I don't know if this has anything to do with it. This is kind of like a little odd story that I'll throw in there. I think it was the summer of, summer of 1992, I think is what I want to say. 91 or 92. I want to say 92. My mom was, she was going away to Florida for two weeks.

And we had our babysitter that we had known our whole life. It was actually my stepdad's niece. She was going to be staying with us while my mom was in Florida. But she couldn't get to our house until 3 o'clock that afternoon. She was like finishing her finals for college or something like that. But my mom had to leave for the airport like 6.30 or 7 o'clock in the morning. And it was in the summertime. This was in July.

So I remember my mom coming back, waking me up, telling me that she was leaving. She woke my brother up, you know, said goodbye to both of us. And I followed her out down the hallway. I remember giving her a hug at the door, you know, watching her get in the car and pull out of the driveway. But then I went back to my bedroom, but I didn't lay in bed. I got into my recliner chair. I had a recliner chair at the foot of my bed. I used to sleep in quite a bit.

It was actually really, I miss that recliner chair. So I lay down and I'm just at that point of like, you know, when you're kind of like nodding in and out. And I'm hearing something jumping on my mom's bed. And I remember, like I guess at the time I didn't know if like, I didn't know if it was really happening or was I dreaming or what. Next thing I know I hear my brother who his bedroom was across the hallway from me. I hear him yelling. Ryan, stop jumping on the bed. and I yelled back and I was like, I'm not.

And he was like, just shut up and go to sleep. And I'm thinking like, why is he jumping on the bed and why is he trying to blame me for it? So I get up out of a chair and start walking towards like the doorway. And as soon as I get to the hallway, it stops. And I looked into my brother's room because his room was directly across the hallway. And he's laying in bed completely blankets over his head and everything. And I don't know. And I actually talked to my brother about.

about that maybe two or three years ago. And he actually remembered. He remembered to this day. Well, until then he thought it was me jumping on my mom's bed. I was like, no, man. Like that wasn't me. I thought that was you. But, um, but that's not his personality.

You know, like my brother is not like, uh, you know, he's kind of pretty low key, I guess you could say. So like that wouldn't be something that he would do. Um, so I don't know. I mean, nothing really weird game of that, but it's just kind of like, an interesting side note. Like, I would have, like, weird, weird things like that happen to me quite a bit, you know, that you just can't, I don't know, it's not like an incredible story, but it's kind of weird, especially when somebody else experiences it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

I think looking back at everything that you've experienced your life, and we haven't hit on everything yet, obviously, but I think little things like that do hold some kind of, clue as to what was going on, possibly in your life. And like you said earlier, there's probably stories that you haven't, you don't even remember that you've experienced. And that comes with time and discussing things because there's a lot of times I remember stories from my childhood, the more I discuss with people. Right. And I, you know, and I do, I think at the end of the day, now looking back at everything, I do think everything's tied together. So I do think that they do hold some kind of water. I mean, they're not a fantastic story. But I

think they do that there's pertinence there you know so um you know and actually around this time and it might be interesting to point out around this time me and like some of my friends in the neighborhood were starting to like dabble with wheezy boards um you know to the to the point where we're actually making our own you know we would we would just take cardboard boxes and make them and they work um i mean we made the planchette out of cardboard we would get um Velcro with like the sticker on the on the other side of it to like the plant tech could fly it easier

um okay I mean it was never anything like evil you know what I mean like to us it was fun in games I mean actually I ended up buying a real Ouija board at Poys ROT and it was made by Park brothers

you know looking back on it what you know um and eventually I ended up getting rid of it I mean I ripped it half and threw it away I mean it was like I yeah and my kids

my kids will never own a Ouizie board as long as I'm alive but uh you know but at the time it was it was just it was kind of fun in games you know and it would tell us you know that we were going to be professional football players and we're going to marry like the hottest cheerleader it wasn't anything like creepy you know what i mean yeah so i think we never really like thought about it um like you know what we were dabbling in i never at the time i never thought of it as the adult you know um you know looking back on it you know i was extremely naive, especially with everything that was going on with me.

So, I mean, it certainly, I mean, that certainly probably didn't help the situation, I'm sure. But, but yeah, so that takes me up through my teen years. And then, so the first major, major event where I'm actually going to start, like, scratching on my head here, you know, something more is going on was the summer of 1998. I just graduated high school. It was a summer. It was July. It was like the middle of July, and I was at my girlfriend's house.

Well, actually, my girlfriend was out of town. She was on vacation with her family, but her older brother stayed home. So I was at, I was hanging out with him, basically. I had a good friend of mine that was with me, and then her brother had two of his friends. So there was five of us there. And we were all mutual friends. We all knew each other. Like my girlfriend at the time, she lived five houses up.

I grew up with her brother. So we were all pretty tight. So if Fyva was hanging out, we were waiting for another friend of ours. It was probably 4.30 in the afternoon. And we were waiting for another friend of ours that was going to come around 7 o'clock in the evening. And we were waiting for him to get off of work. It's super hot, humid day. So we decided to go in a house and get in the AC.

and they had one of those big like wraparound couches. I think it's called it, is it a sectional? I think they call it. Yeah, yeah. Section where it kind of covers the L of the wall. Right, right. Yeah.

So that's what they had. So we go into the living room and put the TV on and I remember the Oprah Winfrey show was on. So that's how I know it was between like 4 and 5 o'clock in the evening. So I'm going to guess around like 4.30 Because the show had already kind of started.

And we're sitting there watching it And I remember, like, one of my friends cracking a joke, like, are we really going to watch Oprah? You know? And then it was like, the only thing that I can describe it as, and I don't know, like, this is going to sound weird. I don't know how else to describe it. It was like God flipped a switch on the sun. That's the only way that I can describe it. Like, I mean, my eyes were open.

I watched day turn to night, like, somebody hit a light switch. that's the only way that I can describe it and all five of us experience the same thing so this happens I mean like I said it was like somebody like walked in the room and hit a light switch and bang it was night time and my one friend that was sitting all the way at the end of the couch sat up and was like what the hell was that

and we all kind of like snapped out of it and we're confused you know like what in the world just happened and I remember getting up walking into the kitchen and the clock on the microwave is saying 10.30 at night. Now, I mean, it was only 4.30 10 seconds ago. You know, when we walked in and sat on the couch. It was the strangest thing. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. So I remember that night, like, we were all really creeped out, obviously. So I walked home. All the other kids got in their cars. They went to drive home. I remember.

I walked home, I told my mom I was going to bed. I sat on the foot of my bed and just stared at the wall for like 20 minutes and I couldn't stay there. I was like, I can't be by myself tonight. I got to get out of here. So I went back down the hallway. I told my mom, I said, I'm going back over to my girlfriend's house. If I'm not home in a half hour, I'm just going to stay there. He said, okay. So I left. I walked back over to their house. And as I'm walking over, everybody's cars start pulling back in. And they all said the same thing. They were like, we couldn't go home. So our one friend was actually 21. We sent him to the bar to go get some six-pack. And we stayed up all night playing cards and we didn't talk about it. Now, one of the kids that was there with me, his name was John, he's actually

really good, I'm still close with him today. I was the best man in his wedding and everything. And I have another experience with him that I'll get to. But I can bring it up to him. And he'll talk about it. But I don't think he's made any connections yet, you know, but he'll admit that it happened and that it's weird. I remember I bumped into the kid, my ex-girlfriend's older brother. I bumped into him a few years later at the bar. And, you know, we were just reminiscent on old times growing up,

throwing a few beers back. And I brought that up and he just looked at me and was just like, I've been trying to forget that night for four years. Why are you talking to me about it now? And just like shut it down. So I don't know if he remembers more than I do, or if it just creeped him out. I don't know. But, I mean, I just got the impression at that point.

Don't push the conversation any further. So I really didn't. Hey, it's Kevin Mekley from the film Big Legend, and you're listening to The Confessionals with Tony. I want to ask you, so you go home and you stare at the wall for 20 minutes, and your reasoning for leaving was you didn't want to be alone and you couldn't sleep. And you said that everybody else came back and said the same exact thing? Right. Yeah.

No, they were all driving. I guess they all made it like halfway home and just turned around, which made sense because I got back to my bedroom. And I remember just sitting on the foot of my bed and looking at the wall. And so I can't be here tonight. I'm not going to go to sleep. You know, at this point, I'm 18 years old. I'm not going to go sleep on my mom's floor, you know? Right, right.

So it's just like, I got to get out of. of here. So did you... So when you guys all left there, I'm assuming then everybody was freaked out and openly freaked out? Yeah, yeah. Everybody, I wouldn't say at this point freaked out more confused. It was very confusing.

Very confusing. And then honestly, I'll say this, the next day, the friend that we were waiting for that was supposed to get there around 7 o'clock called all of us. And he was angry. He said he showed up at the house and was like ringing the door. or knocking on the windows, he thought we left and went out for the night without him. And, I mean, we had no explanation for him. I don't even know if he ever got an explanation.

I mean, it was just kind of, I don't know what to tell you, man. You know, we were there, but maybe. I don't know, but we didn't hear anybody bringing the doorbell or knocking on the door. So, all right, so this happens in the time slip. What was the environment like in that room before everybody left? did you guys discuss it amongst each other like to say this is really weird what could it happen was there a conversation or was just more like acknowledging something really weird happened and i'm out of here yeah that was about it you know it was kind of like you know yeah it was

what the hell just happened you know i mean six hours just gone you know and um yeah and like nobody we really even talked about it all that much Yeah, I mean, I think we all questioned each other. Like, do you know what happened? Do you remember what happened? But it was quick. I mean, it was like four or five minutes. And then everybody was just, you know, all right, well, we're going to go home.

It's 10.30, you know, this night sucked. We didn't go to the party that we were supposed to. You know, um, so and like I said, and that's why, like, I don't know. It bothers me, but not in like a personal, it bothers me that I don't know what happened. but I'm okay to talk about it. So it kind of caught me off guard when I brought it up to my buddy a couple years later that, I mean, he was dead serious. He didn't want to talk about it.

You know, he shut the conversation down immediately. So I don't know if we all have a different take on it. And then the other two kids that were there, I haven't seen them in years. You know, I wouldn't even be able to bring it up to him now. I mean, if I did, it'd be awkward, you know. Yeah. But then like my other good friend, I can talk to him about it.

And he remembers the same thing that I do, you know, that I do. And he'll just say the same. He'll be like, dude, that night was crazy. That was weird. I don't know what happened. And he doesn't get upset about it, but he has no clue what happened. And he'll admit that, you know. So.

And then I'll jump ahead to the next missing kind of that. And then I'll kind of backtrack a little bit to another story that I want to tell you. Is that work? Absolutely. So, no, the kid John that I was with at that house, with five of us, like I said, I was the best man in his wedding. We're still close to this day. Him and I went to a Jimmy Buffett concert in 2004.

So this was like six years later. And I don't tell people this story. You tell people you, like, lost time at a Jimmy Buffett concert. They're like, join the club, man. So I just kind of leave that whole part out. But, yeah, so we went to this Jimmy Buffet concert. concert. The summer of 2004, we brought up with his older sister. I remember

this day clearly. We picked up a 30-pack on the way to the concert. We didn't open it until we got there. We get to the concert. We got there pretty early. It was like, I don't know, 4 o'clock, 430. Concert didn't start until like 7.30. So, and you know,

if you ever been to Jimmy Buffett concert, they tailgate, it's a pretty good time. So we get there and we each have one beer. We open a brand new case. We open a brand new beer. We're not drinking anybody else's drink or, you know, weird jello shots. We have one beer. Now, we're 24 at this time. So, and his sister and her friends are all in their mid-30s. They're married, so we weren't really trying to

hang out with them. So we decided to go take a walk through the parking lot. You know, we're going to see if maybe we bump into some friends that we know, maybe there's a couple of girls there that we can meet up with, you know, so we go walking through the parking lot. We make it about, I don't 10 minutes. And I remember we stopped and we're having a conversation. There really wasn't anything exciting going on. It was kind of early. The parking lot wasn't even full at this point. So we're having a conversation. Do we want to keep walking to the end of the parking lot? Do we want to head back towards like the back of the parking lot by the woods to just head back to the car where our beer is? And so we're having like this short discussion about it. And then I mean, bang. Next thing I know,

him and I are standing in the exact same spot. It's dark. The parking lot's empty. And we're just standing there looking at each other. And he has like a blank look on his face. His mouth was open. It wasn't like wide open, but like blackdaw. And you could hear, you could hear the concert going on in the background. The way the venue set up is, so it was at Pittsburgh, what do they call it now, Post-Gazette Pavilion, it used to be Star Lake.

So anyway, the way it is, like the parking lot, you have to walk quite a way. I mean, it's a couple, it may be 100 yards, 200 yards to, like, the concert venue from the parking lot. But I could hear the concert, and I could hear Jimmy Buffett on stage, like, thanking everybody for coming out and have a safe trip home. And, you know, Margaritaville is playing in the background. And I grabbed my friend by the shoulders and shook him. And I was like, we got to get back to her sister's car. And, like, I was panicking at this point because I had no idea what had just happened. And he, like, kind of snapped out of it.

Same thing. You know, and I mean, he looked at me and said the exact same thing. We go to get back to the car. So we make a B-line back to his sister's car. And when we get there, his sister's pissed off. I mean, yelling at us. Here they said she'd been, like, scouring the parking lot for like five hours. They went through the parking lot, into the concert venue.

We weren't at our seats. They checked all, like, the beer lines. Nothing. And him and I at this point, we had like a reputation. We used to get into a little bit of trouble when we got together. So his sister's thinking the word. You know, she's thinking either we're getting like, you know, we bumped into somebody and we're getting smashed or we got to a fight. We got arrested.

And, I mean, she was irate. I remember him just saying to her like, you know, it's not what you think. I'll tell you tomorrow. I'll tell you tomorrow and trying to calm her down. And same thing. I mean, I have five hours. Who's gone. And I have nothing.

I don't know. I don't know. It's weird. I actually brought that up. at his wedding, I said I was the best man in this wedding, and I brought that up during my best man's speech. And I was talking about,

like, kind of reminiscing over, like, us growing up and stuff. And I referenced it, like, you know, kind of like the Jimmy Buffett concerts

that we may or may not have attended. And his sister looked at me and was like, you were there. I drove you. So I don't think she knows, like, yeah, I know she drove me,

but I don't think she really got what I was saying. I know he did, you know. And like I said, And that's the same as the first time. We can have a conversation about it. He's open to it. But I don't think he's connecting it to anything.

But at the same time to me, it's like, I don't know. Like, I don't know how I could. He just lives with it and he doesn't question it. And that I don't get. Yeah. I mean, so, I mean, he experienced the first time with you as well, right? Right. And how long was the first one four or five hours?

The first time was like six hours. Okay. From 4.30 to like 10.30 at night. and then it was about the same the next time. Yeah. Yeah. So when you experienced this with the other people, the first time and this time with your friend,

did you notice anything different about your physical body, clothes put on differently or, you know, leaves in your pockets? You know, like, because when you were a kid, you found those leaves at the bottom of your bed. Was there anything different at all other than the fact of time? Yeah, so, okay, well, let me, let me kind of backtrack. Okay, all the way going back to, like, my early teens, I would wake up in the morning and have crashes all of my body.

Sometimes I would notice it right away. Sometimes I wouldn't notice before I got in the shower and, like, the hot water hit me, and then, like, the welts would appear. And it was, like, it never drew blood, but it was, like, enough to break skin, if that makes sense. Like, I remember, though, like, the one time I actually, like, ripped my bed apart, I was thinking there was like a thumb tack or something like that in my sheet somewhere, and I was like rolling around on it all night. I didn't know.

I used to deal with that a lot. So I don't know if I would have even, I mean, it got to the point where I just ignored it. So I don't know, like, the first time, if I had, like, woken up the next day and saw scratches on my body, if I would have even paid attention because it was kind of, like, status quo at that point. Okay. But now the second time at the Jimmy Buffett concert, the next day, I will have. a couple went home. I went to get in the shower and the whole back of my body was covered in bruises. There was actually a bruise on my shoulder blade that the bruise was so deep that blood like

see through my skin and stained my shirt, which I've never seen something like that happened before. Yeah. Wow. Right on my back right shoulder blade. But I remember actually, and I forgot all about this. I'm glad you asked me. So I remember I called my buddy the next day later that afternoon and asked him how he was feeling. And the same thing, he was like, man, he goes, I feel like I got into a fight and I lost. You know, and it's just, and it was the back of our bodies. My elbows, my elbows were all bruised up. My back and my elbows. I mean, they just took a beating. And I can't, I can't describe, I don't know. I mean, had we gotten into a fight and just, I, that wouldn't have made sense, you know, I thought about that, you know, like, well, first off, we weren't drunk. We only had like two beers.

it's not like we blacked out. But if you get into a fight and you spend a lot of time on your back, you're going to get punched in the face at some point. For sure. And that didn't happen. You know, I... So I really... And he's, you know, my buddy that I was with, I mean, he's 6-1, probably 2.40,

not an ounce of fat on him. You know, I mean, I'm 6'4 or 2-10. We would have put up a fight. I don't think... It doesn't make sense. You know, I... that's the only way, I don't know. I mean, my only rational explanation for that would be

that, like, we got into a fight and we got beat up so bad, we don't even remember it, but we'd have more marks than just the backs of our body, you know? But that's what it was like. It was like we spent the night on our backs wrestling. I mean, I don't know. How did it feel? I mean, these bruises that you experienced,

these bruises that you experienced, how did it feel? I mean, when you're, I think you said, were in the shower or something that when you first noticed it. I mean, were you in a complete body pain? Was it achy? Was there a sting to these bruises or were they just typical bruises? No, they hurt. Yeah, it was body pain. You know, well, the scratches, and I don't remember having scratches after the Jimmy Buffet concert. Like on my, I used to get them on my chest sometimes, scratches. Now, those would burn when I would get in sour. The hot water would hit me

it would burn and that was usually when I would notice them and you could look down and see the skin swelling but after the Jimmy Buffett concert those bruises I mean they were they were hardcore bruised I mean it was like you know I mean my whole body hurt and if I touched my elbow it's you know I mean it was pain I wouldn't say like singing but I mean it was

it was definitely tender you know um yeah I mean it it was like somebody like I don't know. I mean, it was like we just, we either got into a fight and spent a lot of time on our back or somebody beat us in the back. I don't know. I don't know. So with the bruises on your back, now I'm not sure, you know, you may not have gotten a great look at them, but when, like, for instance, the bruise that you said was so deep that blood had pushed through your skin and it was on your shirt. Is there any way that you think maybe, this is definitely going along the lines of alien abduction. I'm just letting you know.

but, you know, is there any way that you could have seen, like, puncture marks or something, that maybe something punctured your skin, therefore it bled, and it bruised badly because of wherever it punctured? No, there was no puncture marks, and it was, you ever see, like, if somebody has a bruise, it gets, like, so deep, it's, like, almost like a bright purple, like a reddish purple. Yeah. So that's what it was, and it was right on my shoulder blade, and the exact size of the bruise was the size of the stain on my shirt.

So it was, yeah, it was like the blood, like, the bruise was so deep that the blood actually, like, seeped with my skin and stuck to my shirt and stained it. I mean, I actually threw that shirt away. So, yeah, I mean, it wasn't a puncture. I mean, yeah, it wasn't a puncture. I mean, something wailed me pretty good. That is all I can figure. And that's actually, yeah, that's the only time I've ever experienced that in my life, you know, bruised like that.

But, but yeah, it was pretty, I mean, we were beat up. I mean, my elbows, I remember the next day, just my elbows being so sore. So, yeah, that was, that was it. That was my second. That's interesting, too, that you said that a couple of times now, that your elbows were really sore and you were, your back was bruised. I'm not trying to be funny here. I want to ask you, were your knees bruised or sore? No.

Mm-mm. Okay. No. Really? I mean, nothing on my lower body. It was my back and my elbows. My shoulder blades and my elbows is what really stands out to me. It's like, what took the beating, you know?

Yeah, it just makes me wonder, like, what happened. You know, like, I want to know, Ryan. I want to know what happened. I know, right? Well, that makes one of us because I really. don't. Yeah, I can understand that. So, yeah, I don't know.

I mean, so that was my second time. Yeah, I wanted to jump into that because that was the same guy from the first time. Now, let me jump back a little bit. Okay, so three years prior to this, let's say, I want to say it was June of 2001. It might have been June of 2000. I had this sleep paralysis. I used to have sleep paralysis. quite a bit.

And usually I didn't pay any attention to it. It was something, you know, well, first of up, I bought the scientific narrative, you know, like you interrupted your REM stage or whatever. Yeah. So I really wouldn't think about it. And I would experience it and I would just wait and, like, fight through it. But it always happened at night when I was asleep and you would expect something like that. but I had this

so yeah it was June and June I want to say 2001 so I'm just going to go with that I was home from college of a summer break it was early in the summer I think I'd only been home

for like a week at this point I woke up that morning it was like 1130 in the morning it was a beautiful I mean beautiful summer day 78 maybe 80 degrees no humidity not a cloud in the sky, just perfect weather.

And I had to go to work that night, and I was only working from like four to eight. I was working at this little Italian restaurant. And then I was going out to a party that night. So I was in like a really good mood. I woke up around 1130 that morning, took a shower. I was, you remember a lime wire? I was downloading. Oh, yeah.

I was going to burn a CD for the night. So I was pretty amped up. I mean, I was in a good mood. I was energetic. So around 1 o'clock of the day. the afternoon. I went into the kitchen to make some lunch. I opened up the refrigerator. My mom had

stocked the refrigerator the night before with all the good stuff, you know? So I was, I mean, and I was making like a triple-decker turkey sandwich. I had Doritos and salsa out, a big glass of iced tea. I was living in a high life, you know? And in the

middle of me making this triple-decker turkey sandwich, like, it was like I got hit with a poisonous dart. Um, like, I mean, out of nowhere, my eyes started watering. I started yawning. It was like I had bricks on my feet. And I, like, I was standing in quicksand or something.

I mean, I, it wasn't like, it wasn't like when you're going to pass out. You know, like, if you kind of like see spots, you get a little bit lightheaded, like you're going to pass out. It wasn't like that. I mean, it was like, take like Thanksgiving dinner after you. eat a bunch of turkey and you're laying on the floor watching football times 10 out of nowhere out of nowhere um so i i stopped i mean i dropped what i was doing i left my sandwich half out bread open you know mayonnaise out on the counter i would have never done that and i start trying to make it back to my bedroom now my bedroom is a very we had a long house that i grew up in we had a

really long hallway it was probably like 30 feet long my bedroom was the last room on the right So I have to go from the kitchen through the living room and then kind of cut down the hallway. And I try to make it back to my bedroom. And I wasn't going to make it. I could have laid on the floor right there and gone to sleep. So I actually turned off into the very first room that I came to. And this was my mom. She had an office.

It was her office. So she had like a computer in there at desk. But she had a couch in there. It was a really uncomfortable couch. Like not one that you're going to like really want to take a nap on. but I staggered in there I mean I can barely I mean I was about to just drop

I hit the couch and I must have been asleep within within five 10 seconds of hitting the couch the next thing I know I wake up and I hear all these footsteps in the house they're in the living room and they're small footsteps like you know

I just I don't know like kind of thump it like something like dump it's a time I have two step sisters, and between them, at the time, they had six kids between four and nine years old. And they used to come to our house twice a year and just run rough shot through our house. That's what it sounded like. But I knew they weren't there that week. But it sounded like they were there. And that's the only way that I can describe it.

And I'm laying there. If I wake up and I'm completely paralyzed. Now, you know how if you squint your eyes, you can, you can, you can, you can, make out shape. You know, you can see movement, you can see forms, you can see light, but you just can't see, like, you can't see details. Right. So that's kind of what I can see, though.

So the way I'm, like, I'm laying on the couch, and I'm looking out the hallway towards the living room, and I'm listening to these footsteps, you know, thump, through the living room, and I can hear them coming towards the hallway. And I'm looking, and as they get to the, you know, and I'm looking, and as they get to the footsteps, you know, to the door, I can see these little heads bobbing up and down. It was like five or six of them go past the door that I was in down the hallway. I can hear their feet. And it was weird because they were like all in a, they were like in a cluster.

Like if it were kids, they'd be tripping over each other. Like it didn't make sense. They weren't spaced out. Like they were all bunched together, like unnaturally. But I can hear their, you know, tholf, though, p, p, p, p, p, p, p, And I can watch, I watch their silhouette go past the doorway, and I can hear them go down the hall towards my bedroom. And they get to the end of the hall,

and then I hear them kind of mill around, you know, again, you know, the, you know, almost like they were like looking, they looked in my bedroom. I think they looked in my brother's old bedroom, which my mom had turned into like a guest bedroom right across the hall. And then I hear them start making their way back down the hallway towards where I'm at. And I'm listening to them come,

and I'm looking out the doorway and right when they get to the window again I see these heads you know heads bouncing up and down about three feet tall go right across right past the doorway

so I'm thinking at the time I'm thinking these little kids are their kids from the neighborhood I'm thinking they snuck into the house while I'm asleep so I'm going to bust these kids right so I hear them go out into the living room and then like I said it was

It was a nice summer day. I had my, the big door was open. We had a screen door. It was closed, but like the main door was open. And the screen door, it was like an old, like aluminum screen door. You know, it was screech when it would open. And then when it closed, like the hydraulic arm would catch it like one time and then just let it slam. So it was a very distinct sound.

So I'm on the couch. I'm trying to break through this paralysis. I can see down the hallway. I'm watching these things. And I'm thinking these, I'm going to nail these kids. and so they go down, I hear them go out into the living room and I hear the screen door push open

and then it's, you know, the hydraulic arm catches and it slams. As soon as that bang, that slammed, the paralysis broke. And I flipped to my feet and ran as fast as I could. You know, and I was in pretty good shape. You know, I was athletic in high school.

I played sports. I flipped to my feet and ran as fast as I could. I would have, I was 20 feet behind these. kids, right? And they couldn't have been very old. I hit that door out onto my porch and there was nothing. And we have a big yard. It used to be a fruit tree orchard. We had cherry, plum, apple, pear trees. They weren't going. All these trees had been cut down. So it's just now, it was a big field, but it was a big yard. They weren't going anywhere. I totally expected to hit the front porch and see a bunch of kids standing in my house.

front yard 20 feet from me and I got out there and there was nothing. It was some gorgeous summer day. I mean, I ran around the side of the house to see if somebody had ducked behind like the AC unit or something. There was nothing there. Nothing there. So I walked, I walked back into the house, I go into the kitchen and literally only 10 minutes had passed since I was just doing jumping jacks over my turkey sandwich. I mean, it was that quick. And still, I mean, that makes no sense to me. I mean, I don't know. Wow. I didn't get sleepy that quick making a sandwich, you know.

I don't know. It just doesn't make sense. Well, yeah, because it's, to me, the way you're describing it, it sounded like you got dramatically tired. I mean, like a tire that you never felt before, that you couldn't make it to your room. You couldn't make it to your room. You crashed in your mom's uncomfortable couch because that's the first thing you get to, and you're only out for 10 minutes.

That doesn't make sense. Right, right. Yeah, out of nowhere. And then I was fine after that, after they left. And yeah, and the weird thing is, here's the impression that I get. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I could be completely wrong. But it seems to me like when they, so when I went into my mom's room and crashed on the, in her office, I think he confused them. I think they went down in the hall looking for me in my bedroom because they, they milled around at the end of the hall like they were confused. that's the impression that I get. So they were expecting me to be in my bedroom and they came back and rent, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And I could be wrong. I could be wrong because you would think they have like all this technology or whatever. I mean, they can like that me remotely, but they don't know what room I'm in. It doesn't make sense. But that's kind of the impression that I get. I don't know. You know, that, I mean, the way you describe it there does make sense because if we're talking about

abductions and you've experienced this before and they were they were much longer and so i mean what you're saying and i i think i agree with you this is what you're saying that that sleepy heavy feeling was uh let's just say them zapping you for lack of better terms and you got real heavy sleepy so that you know they can come and abduct you and you just weren't where they expected you to be. And so I guess that sleepiness, you know, that zap, whatever wears off and you're starting to come to and they have to get out. Is that how you look at it?

I think they, again, for lack of a better word, yeah, I think they zap me remotely. I think they were expecting me to be somewhere that I wasn't. I don't know if it was like they had to run because I was coming to because I had to. because I couldn't move I mean I was completely paralyzed I could not move and I'm listening to the whole thing go on I'm watching the whole thing go on

but I could not move until they left the it wasn't until they opened that screen door and it slammed shot that the paralysis broke it was all at once like it was like the second they left the house

the paralysis broke you know so I think they did have control over that okay because for the entire time that they were in the house I couldn't move the second they walked out the door, the paralysis was over.

So, and then again, I don't know. I mean, what do they, like, where do they go? You know, I mean, I was right behind them, 20 feet behind them waiting. And there was nothing there. I mean, I ran out on my front porch and there's nothing there. Yeah. You know, a lot of people that have either experienced, you know, extraterrestrials or studied them, you know, like there's some insiders that say they share what they've experienced with just, you know,

working within, you know, let's just say the government, which isn't not really the government that's doing these things. But they say that these things travel in portals and they are, they have access to other dimensions that we don't have access to. So I mean, maybe, you know, that idea of what these things are holds true in your scenario where, you know, if they were kids, you would have seen them. But they were just gone. Yeah, nothing, nothing. So, I mean, that makes sense because, yeah, I mean,

nothing could have gotten away from me that quickly, you know. They couldn't have traversed that much distance. It just doesn't make sense. Wow. And again, this is before I start piecing things together. So I just walked back into the house, finished making my sandwich, burn my CD, and went to work. You know, and I look back at it.

now like my gosh you know what what were you doing but this was all before i kind of started like putting things together um so so yeah so i didn't i don't want to back back like jump back like that but um i'm hoping i'm not like being confusing on like timelines with everybody no i don't think you are i think i think you're conveying a narrative that is very important to lay out in the way that you feel comfortable saying it okay well good good all right after the jimmy Buffett concert where where that my whole second missing time happened. It was about two years later, the next big event. I was living with a girlfriend at the time.

I usually sleep on the couch. I don't sleep good at night. And so I usually just, I lay on the couch and I watch TV until I just totally passed out. So I'm sleeping on the couch. She goes back to the bedroom to go to sleep. And it was, it was summertime. It was one of those nights where it's kind of. I like to sleep with my windows open.

I like to hear the crickets at night. I like to wake up to the birds in the morning. So it was one of those nights I was like on the fence. It was kind of warm. I really wanted to keep the windows open, but I probably should have closed them and put the AC on. So I compromised and I took my shirt off. I just left the windows open.

And I ended up falling asleep watching TV. I wake up maybe, I don't know, I guess like an hour and a half later. And I'm freezing cold. extremely cold and I put my hand on my chest and like I kind of slapped my chest and when I slap my hand down on my chest it flashed and it was wet so I'm thinking

okay I got overheated and I started sweating now I'm cold because I'm wet so I reach up to the lamp on the end table and I put the lamp on and my hand is covered in blood So obviously it freaked me out. I jump up.

First thing that I'm thinking, and I don't know why this was the first thing that I thought, but I thought like the cat had drugged a dead animal, and they used to leave like birds and mice on the front porch and stuff all the time. But the cat, which was a white cat, was sleeping on the chair next to me, and was completely no blood on or anything like that. So I go into the bathroom thinking I must have had another nosebleep. Well, there's no blood anywhere in my face, no blood around my nostrils. You know, if you get a nose bleed, it kind of, you know, it dries around your muscle.

You can tell. There are no blood anywhere on my face. So I start, like, turning around in the mirror and looking everywhere on my body, and I can't see any, there's nowhere for this blood to be coming from. No cuts, no, I mean, no scabs that I picked, no moles that I might have picked at while I was sleeping. know nothing. I couldn't figure it out. I actually ended up waking up my girlfriend and she saw, and I'm covered in blood, and she starts freaking out. And same thing. You know, she's, she's standing there looking at me and she can't figure out where it's coming from. And all it is, it's all over my chest, all over my chest, really all over my chest. And there's dry blood marks. They're running

kind of down my neck towards my ears, down my chest, towards my leg, my armpits, and they're like drying as they run, and the main amount of blood is on my test, but there's no exit area. Like, there's nothing. I didn't see anything. I had my girlfriend. I mean, I stripped naked in the bathroom, and she couldn't see anything. There was nowhere for this blood to come from.

I took a shower thinking maybe a cuddle reappear, you know, something that I didn't know I had. there was nothing. And it was a lot of blood. It was like, I mean, it was like somebody took like a 16 or 20 ounce glass of blood and just like dumped it on me while I was sleeping. And I,

to me that sounds demonic. I don't know. So I wouldn't say, I don't know. You know, this is where I start, like everything kind of starts the blending, you know, the paranormal,

the alien. This is when things to me, like start kind of blending together. Because that doesn't, make any sense. If aliens are from another planet or whatever, what would happen here? You know? So this is an instance where, you know, you didn't experience lost time, nothing like that. It's just you went to sleep and when you woke up, you had blood on you. Yeah, for no reason. And, you know, like I said, I mean, I even had my girlfriend double-checked my body just to make sure I wasn't

bleeding from someone because I can figure out where I was bleeding from. And, it's, it's, As far as both of us could tell, there was nowhere for the blood to come from. Okay. You know? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's weird. You know, I mean, you know, and again, these are things that I really don't tell people.

Because the first thing they're, you know, you got a nose bleed or you had, you know, it was this. It was that, no, like, I checked all that, you know. It wasn't my nose. It wasn't, it wasn't anywhere around my face, you know, any natural holes on my body. No, there was no blood around that. Like, there was nowhere for it to come from. so I don't know like that's actually of all of these experiences probably the one that bothers me the most yeah because i mean if you wake up to with blood on your chest it's like well it's not my blood

so whose blood is it right what did i do you know yeah yeah i mean i yeah it's kind of i don't know that really really kind of creep me out and you know and i try not to think about that actually our next door neighbor my girlfriend told the next door neighbor for some reason And she was like a Jehovah's Witness, the nextborn neighbor. And she wouldn't speak to me after that. She was, like, convinced that it was like demonic. She thought I was worshipping the devil, which I wasn't. You know, I wasn't, you know, I mean, I wasn't following the Bible or Jesus's ways, you know.

But I wasn't worshipping the devil either. So, but, yeah, she wouldn't speak to me after that. I lived there for like two more years and she wouldn't say one word to me. That's interesting. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. Like I said, I don't know what to make of that,

but that's where I kind of like everything to me, kind of starts blending together. You know, I just think it's all correlated. It's all connected. So my next big event was actually my first UFO site. It was November 2009. It was a week before Thanksgiving. I was working at Hotel Hershey in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

I don't know if you're familiar. It's like pretty famous property. Yeah. At least around here. So anyways, I was working there. It's a massive property. They have 600 guest rooms, um,

three restaurants inside the hotel, actually. There's two lobbies, 75,000 square feet of like guest room and ballroom or, uh, ballroom space and, and meeting space. It's a huge property.

Okay. So I was working. I had to end up, uh, I was doing, room service that night. So we would have to stay until midnight. If you got, if you had to cover room service, you stayed until midnight. But the restaurant closed at 10, all the other guys would leave work at 1030. So between 10.30, the guy that was covering room service would take his half hour

break. So that's what I did. I go out into the parking lot. I'm at the top of the steps overlooking the employee parking lot. Off to my left is kind of looking towards like Grantville, Indian Town, app. Anybody's familiar with that area. When I'm looking at my phone, it was a new cell phone,

I'd actually just got it like a day or two in advance. And I'm looking at my phone, this was before a smartphone. So I was like downloading screen savers or something stupid like that. And I started seeing this orange light,

as amber, I'd say more amber, out of the corner of my left eye. And the first time I thought, okay, the moon is really weird orange tonight and I looked in that direction, there's nothing there. So I go back to my phone, I don't think anything of it.

Well, 10 seconds later, I start saying this orange light again out of the corner of my eye. Look again, and the second time that I look in this direction, it looks like well, it goes out, but it's so far in a distance, it's like beyond the tree line. So it's kind of like it went like

behind a tree, and I'm thinking, okay, at any minute now, I'm going to see like a helicopter or something like that, pop out above a tree line and just keep going. So I go back to my phone. I'm still not thinking if there's anything weird going on. About 10 seconds later again, I start to see this light. And I look, and this time I notice, it's in the shape of like a half circle. And it looked like, well, I'll explain it more here in a second. So it's in the shape of a half circle, and it blinks out as I look at it, but it's above the tree line. So now I'm starting to realize there's something weird going on here. And I actually put my phone in my pocket and start looking at this thing, like thinking,

there's no way I'm seeing a UFO. This isn't just happening. So I'm waiting for it again. Now it's been three times that this thing is lit, you know, it's been lighting up. I know it's going to come again, and it's going to be closer because it's moving closer each time. So again, about 10 seconds later, it starts to light up. And again, it's even closer. This time it's coming towards the edge of the property, which I would say was maybe 300 yards away.

And I get a little bit of a detail on it. So it starts with five lights. And what it would do was it would light up the first light on the left from my perspective. So I guess it's right, my left. The first light would light up, and then the second light, and then the third light, and then the fourth light, and then the fifth light. And once all five would light up, it would blink out completely. So it did this lighting sequence. And there's, I'm watching it, you know.

It's pretty big. There's no sound, no sound whatsoever. So it happens again. By the fourth time, I'm watching, you know, I'm watching. watching this thing and I know, okay, it's about to fly directly over my head. So does it again and then it does it a fifth time. And by the fifth time, it is directly over my head. Same thing.

Same lighting sequence. Left light goes on. One next to that. One next to that. One next to that. One next to that. As soon as all five are lit up and it's like a perfect half circle or like a crescent, the whole thing blinks out.

But when it's directly over my head and I actually look straight, up at it. Besides, it is every bit as big as the hotel. And you can hear a pin drop. I mean, I could actually hear the flags

on top of the hotel flapping in the wind. This thing was dead silent. And it couldn't have been more than, I don't think it was more than 2,000 feet in elevation. If that. If that.

I mean, this thing looked like it was barely like clearing the tree lines. And that's, you know, I watched, I mean, I watched this thing for at least three or four minutes the whole time. Didn't hear it sound. I just watched it kind of lumber off into the distance.

Eventually, it was covered by the hotel. It went beyond the hotel. I couldn't see over the hotel and see it. I remember going back in the work. I mean, my knees were shaking. I thought for sure I was going to go in and it was going to be all over the local news. I called my girlfriend at the time. She's my wife now, but she was my girlfriend at the time.

I called her and told her to record all the local news channels. I thought it was going to be all over the place. Nothing. Nobody saw anything, which is extremely frustrating. And I think actually with that, I made a, I think I filed a report with Mufon like years ago. But, yeah, and that was kind of what kicked off me, like, starting to really look into UFOs.

And when I started looking into UFOs, both. You know, everybody kind of starts like the same thing. You know, it kind of is a nuts and bolts and, you know, generic descriptions of them. Sure. But eventually, you know, I started getting into all these stories and that's when I started, especially when you get to the abduction stuff. You know, and that's when I kind of started like keeping everything together, okay? You know, all of this happened in my childhood. All of this happened through, you know, puberty, my teens. It's just, you know, everything kind of finally started clicking. Yeah, I can't say it was a welcome relief,

but at least for once I was getting some answers. And that was when I really started digging into things. Oh, this is Forrest and Scott from astonishing legends. And when we're not hunting down ghosts, cryptids, and mysteries, we're listening to The Confessionals with Tony Merkel. So when you saw this thing, and if I remember correctly, you called it, a half circle, right?

Right, yeah. So I'm trying to picture this in my head. Did you see any texture with this, or was it just a smooth surface? Were you able to see that much detail? There was no texture.

It was a smooth... The only thing that I could see, okay, I could see the light, and when it was directly above me, I could see it blocking out the stars. But that was it. I couldn't see any more than that. so when you when you saw this thing

if you could describe it would you say that it was very much mechanical in nature I mean I guess I mean I would I can't say it was biological but do I say it was mechanical

I don't know because I think this thing was huge it was like I said I don't think it was more than 2,000 feet above the ground. And you couldn't hear a sound. If this was like a 747 that low, the ground would have been shaking.

You know? Yeah. And to me, that's mechanical. But if it's not mechanical, what is it? You know, I don't know. But was there a physical craft there? Yeah, I can't say there wasn't. You know, I mean, it was blocking the stars out.

It was moving in a, I mean, it was moving in a deliberate. way. As a matter of fact, the last time that it lit up before I went behind the hotel, it kind of banked to the right like it was cutting off towards like the south. As a matter of fact, that night,

I went on to, I think it was that either that night or the night afterwards. I went on to I want to say it was called like My UFO blog.com or something like that. It was like the only website that I could find where

people would post like UFO sightings. So it was like that day or the day after. And I posted my sighting. And then I completely forgot that I had posted that sighting until like a year later. And I went back and there was a person in York, Pennsylvania, who commented on it and saw the exact same thing

that I did 45 minutes after I did. Wow. So I recommented to that person and they never commented back and now I can't find that website anymore. Which I wish I had like known it takes screenshots or something at the time, you know? But yeah, it was called My UFO blogspot.com or something. That's what I want to say it is.

Wow. Well, I mean, at least that's confirmation for you personally, you know? Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But like I said, I mean, it was so close off and lasted so long. I mean, I knew I wasn't going crazy at that point. But again, like at that point, I still hadn't like connected the doctor. with anything yet.

So to me, it was like, you know, at first, you know, at first it was like, wow, I never thought I'd see a UFO, that's really cool, you know, and then it was, I started digging into, you know, I started with, you know, I just started with like some of the mainstream UFO books that you come across, you know, the ones on Rendell from Forrest and stuff like that, reading that, and eventually I ended up getting, you know, like John Keel. And that was when I really started piecing things together, like, wait a second. you know, high strangeness and paranormal activity kind of all goes together. Yeah, and I guess that was really when I started like questioning things, I guess you could say.

Okay. So, yeah, and that was November of 2009. So what happened after that? I think you said there was something else that happened, right? Yeah, so there was one more, the last event that I remember, we had just moved back from New Jersey to central Pennsylvania. I was living with my mom. We moved in with my mom.

My son was like he wasn't even a year old yet, maybe six, seven months old. And I was, I worked about five miles away. I actually went back to work with Hershey. I was actually at the Hershey Lodge at the time. I was driving down the main street from Hershey into the town that my mom lives into. and it was I don't know maybe like a third of the

about a third of the way home I noticed this light like two blocks back on the left side at like my 10 o'clock position something was off with it I mean there was no blinking FAA light it looked like it was too

it was too close and too low to the ground to be like a conventional aircraft at first I didn't think anything of it I actually ended up stopping at a gas station, got a pack of cigarettes, bought a new lighter, got back in my car, and I get out. And that's why I know it's like I started driving home. Well, this thing isn't moving. It's not passing me up and it's not going in the opposite direction. And I'm not getting any closer to it. It kept its position the entire time at like my 10 o'clock position about two blocks back. So I still really wasn't all that freaked out. I ended up, I cut back. two blocks to the right. So now I'm four blocks from this thing. And I'm actually on the block that my mom lives on.

And heading in the same direction. And I'm still watching it. I'm watching it from the left. And it's kind of like appearing and disappearing as like houses cover it while I'm driving. And I came to a stop sign about three blocks from my mom's house. And I had a clear, clear shot at this thing. And I stopped and was looking at it. This was almost midnight.

I thought of them was looking at it, and I got this distinct impression that it was, it knew that I was looking at it, and I knew that it was looking at me. As the only way that I can describe it, it creeped me out. So I end up like gunning it. We live in a, it's like a residential area. Sea limit's 25 miles an hour. I mean, I hit 50 miles an hour going home. those last three blocks.

I actually wanted a cop to pull me over. I was pretty creeped out. So I hurry up, I pull into my mom's driveway. And the way her driveway is it wraps around the side of the house. So as I pull in and I go around the side of the house, it blocks my view of this light, just in the sky. So I pull up and I'm getting ready to just high-tail it into the house. And it kind of hits me, okay, if these things are coming to take me,

if something's coming to take me, they're coming in the house regardless. Like there's nothing I can do. So I decided to get out of the car and kind of backpack my way. I walk around the side of the house out to the front. Because I'm thinking, if this thing is in front of my mom's house, if it's coming for me, I'm just going to get back in my car. I'm going to drive out on a back road and let it take me there.

I don't want it coming into my house where my wife and my son are sleeping. So I start walking around to the front of the house. house and every bone in my body, I mean, every cell in my body is saying that this thing is going to be like hovering over the road right in front of my mom's house. That was what I was completely expecting to happen. And I walk around to the front of the house and there's nothing there. So I actually go out to the road. I walked like four houses down the street and I'm looking in the direction of where this light should be. There's nothing there. So I was relieved. I went in the house. I took a shower, went down to the kitchen, made something to eat, and tried to go to bed. While I'm laying in bed, and I'm still kind of antsy about the whole situation, it just didn't sit right with me. So I'm laying in there probably from, like, one until like two o'clock in the morning, I think it was.

I get up, I decide I'm going to go outside, I'm going to smoke a cigarette. Maybe that'll help me calm down or whatever. If not, I'm just going to go to sleep on the couch downstairs. So I go, I sit out on my mom's back porch, light up a cigarette, and at the corner of her property, so there's a tool shed, and there's like, I don't know if it's, I don't know if you'd say a pine tree grove. It's like seven or eight pine trees.

It's kind of like a cluster of them that separates her yard from the neighbors. And it's really dark over there because of these. They're big pine trees. Like you can almost, you know, me at 6'4, I can almost walk completely under these pine trees without, like, ducking. I mean, I have to duck a little bit, but they're big pine trees. So I'm looking off in this direction, movement out of my left eye.

And I look and I'm letting, I'm trying to like train my eyes on, on this area. It was really dark that night, but there's something white contrasting to the background and the trees, something, I don't know if it was white or at least lighter in color, but it was definitely there. And I'm standing there looking at it and I'm trying to let my eyes, focus on whatever this white thing is in these pine trees. And the next thing I know, I'm standing in my mom's kitchen and I hear the shower upstairs turn on.

And it's like 6 o'clock in the morning and my mom's getting ready for work. I'm just standing in the middle of the kitchen doing nothing. Wow. So again, you know, I just went to sleep. I told my wife about that. Actually, she thought that I had like fallen asleep out on the back porch smoking a cigarette and was sleepwalking back into the house. I guess theoretically, is that possible?

Sure. I don't know. But I don't know. I mean, you just have to, you have to piece a lot of things together to get to that conclusion. And then actually the next day, that pack of cigarettes and lighter

that I had just bought that night and I went away on them. I've never seen them again. They were just gone. I figured they would turn up somewhere. You know, maybe I set them down somewhere not paying attention. Gone, gone.

I don't know. See, man, you've experienced all these different things. And here's the, the, the, the, the, the trippy part about all this is that you've experienced, uh, this time lapse slash abduction scenario flying solo and with groups of people who also remember this thing happening. And that's the tricky part about this because, you know, I'm the guy, I'm the guy, I'm the guy, I'm the guy, that sits here, listens to your story, and tries to draw an image in my mind as to what was going on. And, you know, like, it's hard, it's hard to figure this out because of the scenario that you're presenting this with, because there was no real one constant other than yourself that was in each of these stories. Right. Well, yeah, and, you know, and I've come to that conclusion. I say, like,

after the Jimmy Buffett experience, I actually blamed my friend John, not to him personally. I thought he was there the first time I had a missing time event. He was there the second time. I thought he was the common denominator. And I actually started questioning whether I should hang out with him or not. And it wasn't until I actually, you know, years down the road started looking into this stuff that I was thinking, man, this stuff's been going on my whole life. I don't think it was him, you know.

Maybe I was the common denominator. Yeah. Now, with that idea, what are your thoughts on that? I mean, do you have any opinion as to why you think this could have been happening to you? I mean, I think, you know what, I've always been perceptive to things. If that makes sense, I don't know how else to word it. Let me think, how can I word this that makes sense. I think I've always been open to things that maybe some other people,

people aren't. I really don't know how to word it. I think just after like a lifetime of having like weird events, you just kind of open yourself up to possibilities. Maybe. Maybe that's what I'm feeling. You know what I mean? At this point, after everything, I can't just turn a blind eye, you know, and I've got

to wonder, like, is there something? I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Like I said to you in the conversation, you know, before we, you know, when we first talk, I don't know. I have a really hard time saying I'm an abductee, but I think it would be very naive of me to say I'm not. You know? Right.

What is it about saying that you're an abductee that bothers you the most? It's just the fact that the can of worms that I don't want to open. I think I was, if I was presented with the opportunity for. like hypnosis. I wouldn't do it. I don't think I would do it. I think that I sleep well at night.

I live a relatively normal life. You know, I don't dwell on this stuff. You know? I don't think that's the can of worms that I want to open. And that's always been like kind of like a comforting thing for me. You know,

all through my life growing up was always I would experience these really weird things. but sun always rose the next day. I always woke up in bed, you know, and my life went on. I went to school or I went to work or whatever. Life went on, you know.

And I think that was like the comforting constants that I always had. And I think I just kind of like, you know, for me, I'd like to keep it at that, you know. I mean, at the time ever comes that, if that's something that I have to open up, I think I would if I had to, but I don't think I have to, at least not at this point.

Okay. I'm at peace with everything thus far. And I haven't had anything since that last July 2013. I haven't had anything since that, well, I've had some weird things since then, but I really want to get into that. Okay. Yeah, no problem. So these things happen to you, and you have,

it seems like you have mixed feelings on on everything like you i mean you it's like the world around you and all your research says abduction but you're you don't want to say that uh and and i understand your reasoning behind it and the things that you've experienced throughout your entire life that build up to this these moments uh i do i personally think that they're related as well uh that's just my own opinion um it seems like you kind of agree with that So, I mean, I'm trying to figure out how to phrase this question for you. But you had, you know, these experiences from when you're a kid where you're waking up with, you know, leaves in your bed.

You're seeing red lights in your room getting sucked out by a vacuum. And then you start experiencing these lost, these laws. lost time with your friends and then happens to you flying solo one night. Like there's all this stuff that's happening to you. If it's not, if it's not extraterrestrial, what would be your next logical conclusion? Well, I think it has to be. I just, I have a hard time. I have a hard time admitting it.

But at the same time, and I think I said to you in the email, I don't, think it's extraterrestrial. I do think it's demonic. I think what pushed me to that was that night that I woke up covered in blood. Because that doesn't fit the extraterrestrial narrative. You know, it all have to, it's all tied together. So about two years ago, I became a Christian. And I think one of the reasons that really,

that I left, you know, I grew up going to church. My dad's the Baptist. He actually used to, like, fill in for the pastor if the pastor was sick. He was, like, one of, you know, I mean, you know, you talk about Bible thumpers. I mean, that was him. You know, he was on the street corner, you know, preaching and stuff. So I grew up in that environment. And I completely, I would say my early teen years, I completely turned my back on that.

because of my experiences, you know, because I would talk to him. And I would never tell him what exactly was happening to me, but I would kind of drop hints, you know, and like, you know, what do you make of this? What do you make of that? And it was always, you know, a cookie cutter response, you know, well, that's the devil. You know, don't pay attention to it. Or, you know, he would kind of laugh it off at times. So when I became a Christian two years ago, I really had to reconcile. these experiences because from everything that I understood, the Bible didn't speak about any of this, you know?

So one of two things, you know, either the Bible is wrong or these things are tied into it. You know, that's the only way that it can be. So I started looking into it. And, you know, there's one Bible verse that really, really, really sticks out to me. And I think this has something to do with end-time prophecy. and is Daniel 243. I mean, that verse, when I first read it

just, I mean, it lit up in my mind. And I can actually I can read it for you if you'd like me too. You'll probably know. Yeah, go ahead. Let me turn the dome light on my car. So, okay, so Daniel 243 is speaking about the

statue, the dream that Nebuchadnezzanel had about the the statue of different metals and the upcoming kingdoms of the world. So, okay, for any readers that don't know this verse, the verse is,

and where is thou saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men, but they shall not cleave to one another as iron is not mixed with clay. This verse, I think there's so much more to it than the Christian church preaches. And I spent like weeks on this thing, breaking it down.

I read it in Hebrew. I read it in Greek. I looked at every single word. And there's a lot more to this. You know, the mainstream teaching, you know, the cookie cutter teaching on this is that, okay, so the statue was these different kingdoms, right? You've got like that, was the head of gold, the shoulder and chest of silver, the porso bronze.

the legs of iron, and these are different world kingdoms, which I agree with. But now when it gets to the feet, okay, you got the ten toes, it's cracked, and it's iron and clay mixed together, and it's cracked. It won't mix. That's the final kingdom. Okay, so now, if you actually break this verse down, okay, so right at the beginning, it says, they shall mingle themselves with the seat of men. Right there that's saying that they are not human. They is somebody else mingling themselves with the seed of human. That's a genetic mixture right there.

What does every single alien abduction account center around? It's... Yeah. ...vermanova in a hybridization program. Okay? So you can break this down even more. But they shall not cleave. Okay, now cleave, most translations will say that that means stick to.

They won't stick to one another. but the Hebrew word for cleave actually has two meanings, and one of those meanings is passion. Okay, I think there's sexual connotations there. So they shall not cleave. I think that's saying that it's going to be a mixture of DNA, but it's not going to be through natural copulation. It's going to be technological,

which again brings me back to the alien abduction scenario. And what's interesting to me, now this is why I think, I think these, I think they are biological suits for the Nephilim. I don't want to get all biblical, and I hope you're... I'm fine with it, Mitch. I don't, like, turn off. That's fine. Okay, so...

And then it says, as iron is not mixed with Myrie Clay. So if you look at Myrie Clay, myri clay, actually... It's a Jewish idiom. It means dust, but it's a Jewish idiom that actually speaks of being dead. Okay, so Myri Clay is an idiom that means that you're going to be... It's speaking of the dead.

Okay. So this last kingdom is going to mix with the dead. Now, if you go back into the Old Testament, the Refayem, which was one of the Nephilim tribes, Refayem means the dead. The valley of the Refayem is the valley of the dead. And this was a Nephilim tribe, and I think this was actually the first generation Nephilim.

And they were called the Refayim, the dead. So this is saying that the last kingdom of the world is going to mix with the dead. I think that's the Raphaine that they're talking about. And it's going to be through technological means, not physical copulation. Honestly, I think what's going on here is Genesis 6 all over again. Only they're not, you know, they're not coming back as giants and trying to, you know, take the world over from a physical war standpoint.

I think it's a more covert from the inside out standpoint. And if you read any of like, I mean, like Dr. David Jacobs, you know, He looks at everything from a secular point of view. You know, I respect that. I understand it. I think he's missing the point. But the information that he has, I mean, you know, he follows these abductees from generation to generation where now he's starting to see the hybridization program

where they're starting to come to, you know, they're at the point now where, like, the abductees are telling him that, like, they're helping these guys get apartments and go shopping. And this was like 10, 15 years ago. Where are they now? You know, it's progressing. I think it's progressing to a point where, I mean, I think it's going to be a covert takeover. And this is exactly why, you know, Luke, what is it, Luke 1736, where he says, you know, as in the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the days of man. It's happening all over again.

And I think that we're witnessing this happens. I mean, I think it's right there in the Bible. you know, as you look at some of the older Jewish texts, you know, where it talks about the Nefesh, where, you know, each kind shall reproduce after its own, you know, because there's what's called an nefesh. It's a, it's a God-prescribed spirit or soul. So a dog makes with a dog, there's a God-prescribed soul for that puppy, you know, or a kitten or a human. But if you mix two things that aren't supposed to be mixed. There's no nefesh for that. It becomes an empty vessel. And that's what I think these aliens are creating. I think they're creating empty vessels for the dead souls of the Nephilim

to inhabit. That's my personal opinion. That's what I think's going on. Yeah, I mean, it's, there's a lot of things that you just said there that I do agree with. And, you know, you talk about that Luke verse where, you know, just as it was in days of know a soul will be in the coming of the son of a man. That verse, and you talked about the Christian church, and, you know, that verse doesn't, they interpret it differently because they're not thinking Nephilim. Right. When you read Genesis 6'4 and how it says end after referring to the flood, well, we are the

and after. We are post-flood. and when Jesus is saying it's going to be like it was in the days of Noah, everybody thinks people are, you know, they're being naughty. They're killing people. Right. They're ill-willed. They're stealing.

They're, you know, stealing people's wives, things like that. They're not thinking bigger picture. Yes, there was lots of sinning going on. Yes, the world was trash with trash. people, but there was a lot bigger of a, there was a much more sinister plot at play that caused God to say, I have to scrap this. I have to start this over. And that is a key thing to grasp for the rest of the biblical narrative from Genesis to Revelation. And so, you know, it's, it's definitely, it's definitely something for people to look into.

Let's just put it that way. Well, and let me throw this out. Okay, now you look at the book of Enoch, I think it is. It's either Enoch or Jash, or I think it's Enoch, where God condemns the fallen angels that came down and made it with human women, that they would be in chains underground for 70 generations, okay? A biblical generation is 70 years. So 70 generations of 70 years is 4,900 years.

4,900 years from the time of the flood takes us right to about the start of the early 1900s, basically. And that's when we see this technological loom. This is when we see the governments of the world becoming corrupt. This is when, I mean, really, as far as I'm concerned, everything kind of went to crap,

you know, on a large scale. The corruption started. And I don't think that's a coincidence. You know, and at the same time, you look at it, you know, what? the late 1800s is when we started seeing airships in Texas. And, you know, this is when the whole UFO thing kind of started to ramp up. And then you can kind of slowly see it progress from, you know, the 1940s, 1950s.

It's just lights in the sky. 1960s, it seems like it's scientific testing. You know, 1970s, they're tracking generations, you know. It seems like it's generational. You know, and that's, it seems like that. And it does. It seems like they're following bloodline, you know? Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, what blood type are you? Do you know? I may be positive. Okay. But, so when I first started looking into this, this was back in like the early 2000s.

I actually, I read the Mothman prophecies because they actually filmed it not too far from Pittsburgh because Point Pleasant was Virginia is only like an hour and a half, I think, south of Pittsburgh or something like that. And when the movie came out, I knew nothing about it. it. I bought the book because I knew they were filming the movie in Pittsburgh, but I knew nothing. I'd never heard of the Moss Man. I'd never heard of anything about this. So I bought the book and I was reading in there talking about all these UFO flaps going on in the area. And if you've ever read the book, it's more about UFOs and high strangeness than the Moss Man. Mothman is almost like a side note. Yeah. But I remember saying to my mom, I remember asking my mom, I said, do you know, do you believe in UFOs? And she was like in my, like, you know, I told you before. My mom was pretty like, kind of, you know, she's kind of black and white, you know.

She doesn't kind of get in with anything that she considers BS. And I asked her if she believes in UFOs, and she said, you know, I never would, but your grandparents saw one. And she was just like, all that I know is it was down in the desert South West. It was, you know, it was back in the 80s and they saw some kind of weird light in the sky. Well, my grandmother passed away in 1998. In 2002, I got a DUI and I lost my driver's license. And my grandfather, he kind of, he offered to give me rides to and from work any time I needed a ride.

Yeah, I think he was lonely. So I, you know, it worked out. I mean, it was pretty cool. We actually got to bond a little bit, like, on an adult level. You know, we were always close, you know, as me growing up, he was my grandfather. We were always pretty tight. But, you know, like, we started bonding on, like, an adult level where he actually, but he told me about like a DUI that he had in the 70s that even my grandmother didn't know about me.

He didn't tell anybody. So one night he picked me up from work and he asked me if I wanted to go get a bite to eat at this restaurant that he used to like to go to. And I said, yeah, sure. We went there and they were completely packed. So we just went to the bar and we started drinking. And it was like three drinks in. I think I did a shot or something like that. I mean, I was feeling pretty warm.

And I asked him. I said, hey, Pap, you know, to do, you know, mom told me that you and grandma saw a UFO out in the desert somewhere. And my grandfather was a West Point grad, military, you know, a career military man. He was a high-ranking officer in the Army. He didn't, you know, he would not, he was not the type of person that looked for attention or, you know, he was just a straight touch of the chase kind of guy. You know, I mean, military, man. And when he retired from the military, he went to work as a forman in the still mill until they shut down and then he just retired. But, you know, he's one of those guys.

You know, his word is his bond. He's not, he wouldn't talk about it. Actually, my mom told me to never ask him about it. But at that point, I figured, you know, I had a couple beers in me and it might be a good idea. He went on to tell me the story that they were driving from, they used to drive from Pittsburgh to Las Vegas every year. That was his favorite place on earth. My grandmother would not fly. So they would drive cross-country.

And at the time, my aunt, their daughter, was living in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and my uncle, their son was in Phoenix, Arizona. So they would make this cross-country trip, and they would head south. They would go to Albuquerque. They would stay for a few days. They would go to Phoenix State for a few days and then hit Las Vegas, stay there for a week or two, and then come home. And I actually remember the last time that they went was about the mid-A, 86, 87, something like that. But it's actually now that I think about it. I don't know if that has a correlation, so that's kind of like the same time that they went.

this stuff started up for me. But I guess that he goes on to tell me this story. They were between, he used to like to drive at night. They were between Albuquerque and Phoenix. And it was after 11 o'clock at night. My grandmother was in the passenger seat and she had the feet recline. She was awake. She was looking out the window.

And I guess at one point, he says, my grandfather, she says, there's this weird star and it's following us. And he just kind of brushed it off and was just like, there's no stars following us. It's, you know, we're out in the middle of nowhere. They're brighter than usual. That's all that it is. Well, like, five minutes later, he sits up and it's, like, upset at this point.

And I was like, no, seriously, there's something following us in the sky. And she points, and so he starts looking at it. And he says, this thing descended, like, right over the car. I don't know how far. He never went in a detail about that. But when it was right over the car, the headlights went out, the radio went out, the odometer went crazy. he had the gas pedal like peg to the floor and the car wouldn't go more than like 10, 15 miles an hour.

And this went on for a good five minutes while this thing was there. Well, then the thing eventually just flies off, goes away. The car starts riding normal again. The gas pedal starts working. The radio comes back on, the headlakes come back on. But within minutes of that happening, he had to pull over on the side of the road, and they both ended up vomiting and getting sick. And they had to stop at the first time that they came to and get a motel.

when they were planning on just driving straight through the night of Phoenix. And that was all that he told me. I mean, it sounds like an episode of, you know, unsolved mysteries or something like that, you know. But this is coming from, like I said, this is, you know, he's a West Point grad, you know, a officer in the military. He doesn't make stuff up like that. He never told anybody.

I think I'm the only person he's ever actually told that story to. And it makes me wonder now looking back, A, did they have a missing time event? And two, that's around the time when my event kicked up. Does that have something to do with it? I don't know. You know, I mean, and that's something I'll never know. I mean, both my grandparents now that have passed away.

I couldn't even talk to them about it. I probably wouldn't want to even if I could, you know. But I don't know. It's just an odd correlation, you know, that I don't really know what to make of it. I've been reading books of old, the legends and the myths, Achilles and it's gold. Achilles and his gifts Spider-Man's control Batman with his fist

And clearly I don't see myself Upon that list She said, where'd you want to go How much you want to risk I'm not looking for somebody With some superhuman gifts Some superhero Some fairy tale blitz

Just something I can turn to Somebody I can kiss I want something just like this. Do-oo-doo-doo. I want something just like this. Hey, this is Darren Marler from the Weird Darkness podcast, and you're listening to The Confessionals. I'm having a hard time trying to think about how we can tie this all together

because you have so many experiences and it's throughout your life. and anything from waking up with blood on you to bruises to lost time. And I do believe you are correct when you say that you believe that it's all related. I really do tend to agree with you on that. And I guess really it comes down to what do you define? extraterrestrials. How do you define extraterrestrials? Because, you know, people who are listening to us talk about this right now, there are people who probably more than likely don't believe in the Nephilim. They don't believe that ever happened or it existed. There's people that are

Christians who read that, those scripture verses, and they interpret them totally different. and they have an interpretation that does not involve fallen angels, having sex with women of the earth, none of that. There's people who don't believe in the Bible, period. And so everything within it is false. And so it really comes down to what your worldview is as to how people are going to view your experiences. but what you can't do is look at your experiences and say that they're unrelated because I think one of the biggest things for you and most of your experiences is not all is the lost time. I mean, did you have the lost time when you woke up the blood on your chest?

No, that time I didn't. Not that I know of. Not that I know of. And I've experienced, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to ask you, when that blood on your chest, was that something that you just went to bed normal or you went to sleep normal and woke up with blood on your chest? Yeah, I woke up in the middle of the night, like an hour and a half later. It's like freezing cold and I was soaking wet.

I thought it was wet. And it wasn't until I turned a lamp on and realized that it was blood. I was covered in blood. So, yeah, I didn't experience any lost time. Every time I've experienced lost time was in, well, the first two times the broad daylight and I was with other people

for those are the ones I really can't discount you know the last time like I said was at my mom's house on the back porch when I was smoking that cigarette after that it seemed like I was being followed home

by a light in the sky you know and like I said my mom or my wife thinks that I just fell asleep on my mom's back porch and sleep walked back into the house I can't discount that

as a possibility you know I think it's a stretch. You know? I mean, when you take everything into account, I think it's a stretch to say that there's a rational explanation for it. I don't know. I don't know. But I see,

I don't think she really understands the full scope of everything either, you know? But she's going to just brush it off. Yeah. I don't know. One of these days I'd like to take her listen to this podcast. You can at least understand where I'm coming from. But that might be a bad idea at the same time, too. Yeah.

Well, it's however you want to do it, man, because I've talked to guys on the show that they share things in the show that they will never tell their wives because they just don't want their wives to know what happened in their own house, you know? Right, right. Well, yeah, absolutely, I get that. Absolutely. I get that. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's weird, but I, you know, I think it's all tied together. You know, I mean, like, I don't know.

I mean, if somebody came to me and they said, you know, hey, I've seen, I've had paranormal activity, I've seen UFOs, I've seen Bigfoot, I'd look at them and say you're crazy. And, you know, nobody sees all, most people don't see any of those. You've seen all three, you're crazy or you're lying, you know? But at the same time, when you experience it, so it's like me, like, I've experienced it, and I would discount somebody that said that to me. So how do I even say that to somebody that hasn't experienced any of it? of it. You know what I mean?

Kind of, I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, when it comes to that stuff, I would say this, that people experience stuff and they can't pick and choose what they experience. And when you are talking about somebody who has experienced a UFO slash, let's just say a UFO alien abduction encounter plus Bigfoot encounter, you know, what is Bigfoot? Because if Bigfoot is a Nephilim-type creature, all of a sudden,

it falls into a very similar category as your definition with an alien, right? Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's all the same thing. So, yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, like, I've been toying with this idea, and I'm not sold on anything. I'm not going to ever come out and say, this is what Bigfoot is, because I don't stink and no. But, you know, when you look at extra canonical books, it talks about the fallen angels.

Not only, it mentions about what they did in Genesis, but it says not only did they do that, but they also did it with animals and plants. They wanted to corrupt all DNA. They wanted to corrupt all of God's creation. And if that's the case, what do you get when you combine a Nephilim with a giant gorilla? You know? Right, right. What do you get when you combine a fallen angel with?

a wolf, you know? Right. And then you look at Melba Ketchum. I know she's taking a lot of hell for that, but you look at her study, I don't know. I think there's a lot more truth to that. I think when she said angelic DNA, I think she was kind of speaking out of context from her own worldview, but I think there's a lot more truth to that than she even knows. And I think that's what got her in trouble.

That's when people started to back off and say, whoa, you know, and I don't know much about science or like DNA, but, you know, from what I know about that study, I think what she had was legit, you know? They're getting human women. What is that? Mitochondrial DNA in these big foot samples, but they can't trace the father. You've got to take note to that.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, that says something. I mean, and then again, going back to what I said, yeah, there's no no fish for that. There's no God-prescribed soul for that. So that becomes an empty vessel. Does that mean that every big foot is like a, you know, possessed by a demon?

Yeah, it's possible. It really is, you know, because what are demons? It's the dead souls of the Nephilim. If you believe in that, you know? Well, and that's something that you get out of the extra-canonical books. I don't believe the Bible talks about where demons come from. But that's what, you know, I believe it was a book of Enoch. It describes it as, hey, dead nephalums, their spirit.

Yeah, same thing as demons. And if that's the case, then they are hungry for a body to inhabit, a.k.a. possessions, you know? Right, right. Yeah, that's that. That's kind of what I believe. That's how I kind of wrap it all up. You know, and I don't know.

I mean, like, I don't know. Like I said, you know, with my experience, it's weird to try to, like, it's hard for me to put it into a box and say that, like, okay, I've experienced this and I'm part of that. I don't know. I mean, it creeps me out. I mean, it creeps me out to read alien abduction accounts where people talk about, like,

what happened to them while they were gone. Have I gone through that? And it creeps me out. Actually, the one thing that I said that, like, I wasn't going to talk about, I'll actually mention really quickly. You know, when I said, like, last thing that I experienced was 2013, I said, I've had weird things since then,

but I'm not going to talk about it. I've had these experiences where it seem to be really, really weird and I apologize. It's like awkward. Nope, it's fine. Don't judge me. No, it's fine. It's fine. It's weird. Okay.

I've woken up in the morning, go to the bathroom. And I don't know how to say this. I don't know how to say this without being food. I'm going to try my best mouth to be food. That's fine. There's blood in the cross of my underwear, but it's not from me.

It's not, it's like, It's like I was like with my wife on her time of the period and like didn't clean myself up and just put my underwear back on. But I wasn't with my wife or it's not her time of the month. And I don't know.

That probably bothers me. That actually probably bothers me than more than waking up that night with the blood all over me. I can't make sense of it. I can't. And it's happened at least three times. I mean, I've had to throw underwear away

It makes no sense to me. First time it happened was 2010, 2011, something like that. And at first I thought it was like, I thought I was like, you know, internal bleeding testicular cancer. Right. You know, all the worst things going. But now we're going on almost 10 years later and I'm completely healthy and it still happens. You know, so it's... Have you ever gone to a doctor to get it looked at?

No. I mean, but... Are you, like, my question, I mean, I know this is a sensitive topic. I mean, it's like, nobody really wants to talk about this. But, uh, I mean, you said it's not your blood. Are you sure you, you, you don't have maybe a problem that sometimes you bleed? I mean, I know it sounds weird because you would think it would be pretty consistent if you had a problem. Right.

Well, that's the, I've looked into it. Like, it's not like going to be a random thing. If, if I'm bleeding from that area. It's a health issue. And if it's been going on for 10 years, I would have known more about it. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, if it was the secular cancer or it was internal bleeding,

I wouldn't be talking to you 10 years later having never seen a doctor about it. You know what I'm saying? Right. Absolutely. You know, it would have been something serious and it would have had to have been addressed by now. And I didn't address it for us because I'm like a bit of a hypochondriac. I'm like, you know, I don't want to go to the doctor and get a bad news. I'm just going to pretend it goes away, but it doesn't go away.

But like 10 years later, I'm still dealing with it. But there's nothing wrong with me. I go to the doctor. I get a physical. I'm completely healthy. There's nothing wrong with me. Do you know what I'm saying? So what's going on with this?

I don't know. And I don't really like, you know, and that's why I don't like to talk about it because I don't know what that I have no box to put it in. You know, and I, well, can I try, can I try just throw it? out some ideas and stuff, and I'm not saying this is what it is at all. I'm just trying to throw ideas out there to help you brainstorm on things. We're going to brainstorm together here a little bit. If that's okay with you. Yeah, yeah. Alien abductions, they're commonly talked about, and people talk about having or

seeing sexual encounters with alien abductions. You have these missing time events. and sometimes they're in groups, sometimes you're solo, but you come to, you know, hours later. A lot of things can happen in hours, and you come to and you have bruises on your body where it's like you've been abused. And you wake up with blood on your chest, blood in areas that you shouldn't be bleeding from, and it's not your blood. and I'm wondering, I know you don't want to, I know it's hard for you to even talk about the whole abduction thing. Yeah, I know, and I know where you're going with it. I mean, brother, like, I mean, just because you don't remember what happened in between the time

that you last looked at the clock and five hours later when you're like, I'm missing time, it doesn't mean nothing happened during that time. Clearly, you have physical markings on your body that are saying things, happened. And it's just like now, now it's like speculation as to what happened. And I know you said earlier about the whole not wanting to do regression thing, I don't blame you at all after hearing your experiences because who would want to hear that dread of what you experienced? Who would want to see that again? Because you have the physical remains, you know, of whatever happened to you. and the last thing you won

is for that to come to your forefront mind and see it all over again in your consciousness because when it's in your conscious mind you are now going to remember it for a much longer time. Right. Yeah, I don't want the confirmation. You know, that's, I don't want, you know,

I mean, I, I've theorized about the whole, especially the blood and the underwear thing. I've theorized. I've gone through like the darkest of ideas about it. yeah you know it's kind of one of those like I just I because I prefer to be blissfully naive I guess is the only way that I can say

is you know I've felt out of the implication that it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense you know I mean I know I've never been unfaithful with my wife and that bothers that that's what that really bothers because that's the only sense that I can make it's like

can't. I've never been unfaithful with my wife. And I'm waking up like, I don't know. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't. I don't like to talk about it. I'm sorry, man. No, man. I totally get it, man. I really do. Like, even if you get

your memories back of what happened, it's still going to leave you with more questions and answers because what are they? Who are they? Where are they from? How'd they get here? why are they here? These are all questions that you'll have then.

And I can't blame you for not wanting to go down that road to find out exactly what's going on because you're probably never going to have all the answers. And it's just going to give you more questions. The questions that it's going to give you questions that you didn't question before until you had the answers that you just got. You know what I mean? Like it's just that's a deep hole to go down. I totally get it, man.

I totally get it. Yeah. And, you know, like, you... you don't want to be questioned about your faithfulness to your wife. You don't want your wife thinking you're unfaithful. And this is just, I'm sure it's stressful. I'm sure it's stressful. Yeah, it sucks.

Man, it sucks. Yeah. And like I said, she doesn't know the whole story. And how would she, how would she react if I sat down and just told her everything that I told you? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I don't know. could you bring it up to her in like a third person kind of thing like just start talking about

things little pieces here little pieces there as like not you but somebody else kind of thing you know like because here and here's a thing here's a thing uh i wouldn't blame you if you never talked to her about it i just know like my nature my nature personally is i tell my wife freaking everything like i'm not good at holding secrets from her and so if this stuff happened to me I would be beside myself if I didn't say something to her. And, you know, so I don't know how you are. I don't know if it's eating you up and you want to tell her. But I totally get, you know, the struggle in it.

I think I possibly could. I mean, you know, we've been married. We've been married for seven years now. And I've dropped her, you know, several hints here and there. You know what I mean? mean like just to kind of see how she would she would react to it and it you know for the most part I don't think she would like outright reject me I think she would I think she would I think she would I don't know I think she'd be a lot like my mom you know like just kind of you know give me the

co-cocat her response to like comfort me in the moment forget it ever happened you know what I mean and I say that like I don't mean like I have like resentment towards my mom because that she didn't understand, you know? And so she would say the easiest thing because she didn't want her son to be afraid at night, you know, but she didn't understand. And I can see my wife kind of having the same kind of response. I mean, like, well, it was my last missing time, you know, and when I told her, I said, you know, I went outside to smoke a cigarette. I see something in the pine trees moving. And the next thing I know, it's three hours later and I'm standing in the kitchen with my hands in my pocket, you know, like, what? And she said, well, you must have fallen asleep while you were smoking

your cigarette. You know, and it's kind of like that, you know, I don't know. Yeah. You know, sometimes our wives, uh, they don't want to be scared, you know, and I, because I know, I know from my personal experience with Lindsay, uh, if I tell her something that's kind of like on the edge of, you know, weird, uh, that happened to me or something like that, like, in the moment, she sympathizes and she kind of looks at, you know, me with concern and she'll ask a question or two. And then it's just like quiet. And the topic just somehow changes. Uh, because, it's not that she doesn't believe me, but she doesn't know what to say. And it's like, she probably doesn't even want to dive into that because it's going to scare her, you know?

Right. Yeah. It's easy. It's just to turn on the, like, you know, the TV and, and, and, forget about it. And that's what I've been doing my whole life, you know, and I get it, I get it, 100% I get it. And that's, I don't know, I don't know. That's kind of what I prefer to do. Like I said, I don't know. This is like a, it's a can of worms.

You know, I was actually, like, afraid leading up to this conversation, like, it's just going to start things back up again. You know, it's been quiet since 2013, you know, are they listening? Or, you know, I don't know. I mean, that sounds crazy. Sounds crazy. But that was actually going through my mind leading up to this. Yeah, and I don't think that sounds crazy at all, to be honest with you,

because a lot of times people talk about their demonic experiences or they've experienced, and whenever they talk about it, it drums up the activity again. And that's because demons thrive on attention. Right. They thrive on it. and so if these things are demonic that would make sense

I hope it's not the case for you but I understand you're concerned with that for sure and you know brother you got a story man you have a story and I understand why it makes you so nervous to talk about it

well that's good because I was actually like thinking like coming into this interview like I don't know if I even have enough to make this interview thing. But now, yeah, I mean... Listen, I think most people out there listening to this right now are sympathetic for you, and they probably are thinking along the same lines you and I are. They might be more willing to say it.

But, dude, like, there's a lot of things that you've experienced and I think a lot of it correlates, and I think that I want to ask you this one question before I forget. When you've experienced this stuff, I'm assuming you never rebuked it in Jesus' name because this is before you were a Christian, right? Right. Yeah. I have not had an experience since I became a Christian. And actually, you know what, I'll follow up with that, and I'll tell you this.

I used to be, like, petrified of driving at night, like, especially on back roads. My wife, she's from upstate New York, and we live in central Pennsylvania. A lot of times we would get off work if we were driving. We would go visit her parents. We would drive through the night. We work in the hospitality industry. So I'd get off at, like, 10, 11 o'clock in night. We wouldn't get on the road until, like, midnight.

We wouldn't get to her parents until 4 o'clock in the morning. So we'd be driving through like Poconos at 3 o'clock in the morning or, you know, the mountains of like, you know, lower New York. You know, outside of New – you could be like 45 minutes from New York City and there's nothing. You would think it would be built up. There's nothing. Yeah. It's just a mountain. A bunch of hazelty's.

Right, right. So we're driving through there in the middle of the night and I would be – I was paranoid. I mean, like almost hyperventilating because I'm thinking I'm going to get taken. you know, which sounds stupid because if they're going to take you, they're going to take you. It doesn't matter. I mean, obviously, how was it at a Jimmy Buffett concert? You know, they're going to take you. But I used to be paranoid.

I was, like, really afraid. I would not like to drive at night since becoming Christian, this since becoming, you know, knowing the truth. I don't fear these things anymore. I don't. I haven't had the chance to rebuke them in the name of Jesus Christ. I almost look forward to that. I mean nothing to me now. I, like, nothing.

They, they hold nothing over my head. And that would be like the one thing that I would say to anybody, anybody that hasn't, anybody that, like, isn't like really, like, it doesn't, doesn't read the Bible, doesn't know the Bible. Man, it's a huge, huge difference. I mean, I've spent my entire life paranoid of these things. coming and getting me. Now that I know who they are and I know who I am,

they don't bother me. They don't, I'm not afraid of them. If they want to come, come get me, come get me. You know? Their masquerade is over.

You know, they're not aliens. They don't scare. I used to be afraid of them because I thought they were from like another planet. Now that I know who they are, they don't scare me anymore.

And now that I know what power I have, forget about it. You know? it's a huge power shift. And, you know, maybe that's why I haven't experienced anything in the past few years. I don't know. But I welcome that experience because I'm going to use that. I actually, like I said, I kind of look forward to it.

I want to bust that out. They haven't seen me use that weapon yet. You know? You're talking like a guy who just got superpowers. That's how you sound, brother. Well, I think there's a lot of truth to it. I think there's a lot of truth to it. You know?

And I wonder, you know, I mean, maybe I think maybe that's why I was protected for so long. I mean, I had all these weird experiences. But at the same time, I feel like I was protected, you know? So, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, and I get where you're coming from. And, you know, it's just like, I can tell you're still trying to figure it out in your head and put things together and understand things. and, you know, I get it. Taking you back to the experience where you were having the sleep paralysis, I can't even talk,

when you said you saw these things go by the door and you saw their silhouette, was that like you saw a shadow go by the door or did you, or were they physically going by the door and they were just projecting a shadow because of light angles? No, yeah, it was a physical being. Yeah, they walked past the day. They went right past the door. So you physically saw them, your own eyes. Yeah, yeah.

And like, it was five or six of them, and it was weird. They were in a cluster. It wasn't like, like, if it was kids, you know, kids would kind of go, like, one after the other. They were, like, in a cluster. Kind of like a cartoon? Like, a hive mind or something is all that, like, they were all just, like, in a ball together, just something up in their feet down the hallway going, the door. It was awkward. It was

unnatural. I don't know how to explain it. Almost like a like a school of fish. Does that make sense? Yeah, I was just thinking that. Yeah. It was kind of like, he was weird. It was very unnatural. Yeah. And that was the first thing.

That was like originally I thought it was like kids from the neighborhood breaking in the house. And when they went down and I saw that, I was like that doesn't look right. That's not right. You know? I don't know. Yeah. I think I confused them. I think I went into the wrong room.

They were expecting me to find, you know, they were going to find me somewhere else. And they got me too hard. I couldn't make it to where they wanted me to be. I don't know. You know, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, the way you describe it, this, I mean, and I know it sounds cartoony, but it just, that's what I picture.

I picture these little entities flocking to your room together, like good little soldiers. And it sounds like they were ready to put you over their head and carry you out, like a cartoon. I know it sounds silly. Right. That's what it sounds like to me. But that's it. Yeah, it was weird. It was cartoonish.

It was, yeah, like it didn't make sense. They came into my house. They're all clustered together. They're like tripping over each other. they go all the way down the hall and then they get all screwed up because I'm not in the room that they think I'm going to be in

so they just make a bee line out the door it was weird it doesn't make sense and now that's what like I don't know I mean this isn't like some advanced race I mean they screwed up I don't know what else to say

it's like a bunch of little Marvin the Martians exactly yes exactly you know I mean so they got the paralysis right because I couldn't move, but, you know, they interrupted my sandwich-making session, which I was upset about.

Heck, yeah. But, yeah, it was weird. I don't know. I mean, it was very weird. And like I said, the whole experience was 10 minutes, 10 minutes, and it was over. And there's no way. I mean, I wasn't even tired that day. You know, like I said, I was, like excited about making a turkey sandwich.

I was making triple-decker turkey sandwich. I had my mayonnaise out, my tomatoes. I had to go lay down immediately. I find it so funny that all these years later, you remember exactly what you were doing with that sandwich. You were like all about that sandwich. Which is why you're so pissed off, you didn't get it done. Well, yeah, it's weird.

It's weird. I remember the small details about it, you know? I mean, most of, that's what weird is, like, most of my experiences. I remember the small details. If I don't remember the small details, I don't think I remember the entire experience. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. No, I get it, man.

I get it. That makes sense. But yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I left my mayonnaise out and everything. The butter knife was in the mayonnaise door. I just walked away from it. I would never do that. I would never do that.

I was ready to eat. Yeah. Yeah. I get it, man. I'm a big time eater, so I know it. Like, when you're ready to eat, it's like you got one thing on your mind. that food getting in your belly. Right, right.

Well, Ryan, listen. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. I just got really freaked out. I was just about ready to start closing things up with you, and I felt something touching my back, and I freaked out. And it turns out is my hoodie falling off the back of my chair

touching my back. Bro, that was. spring. Dang it, man. The patrons that are watching, hopefully they saw the hoodie slide down like that. Right, right. Well, Ryan, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that with us.

That's the whole story. It's really, for me, it's a fascinating story. It listens to because there's so many different aspects of it, and there's so many different details that play into it throughout your entire life, essentially. And you don't have the answers. I don't have the answers. And that's why we have this show for people to share their experiences and we can learn collectively.

The more people that share their stories, the more we hear them, the more we can, you know, draw comparisons from other people's stories and start connecting these dots that, because there's a mystery out there. And to be honest with you, I'm not sure if we're ever going to find out all the answers, but at least we can do is start listening to people's stories. So that's what we did tonight. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that with us. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate the opportunity to give me the chance to tell it.

And like I said earlier, like, if somebody has similar stories, I'd love to hear it. Absolutely. It'll give me some confirmation. You know, I'd love to hear it. For sure. So I really appreciate it. You know, it was a good opportunity, and I appreciate you. Let me talk.

Right on, man. So keep in touch. I know you will because you're a patron. And, you know, if anything ever happens after today, feel free to just reach out to me privately. You know, it doesn't have to be for the show. You just reach out to me, let me know. what's going on. All right?

Absolutely. You got it. All right, man. I'll talk to you. Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. I really enjoyed talking with Ryan and just kind of going through all this information that he experienced throughout his life. So, Ryan, thank you very much for coming on the show. And before we get out of here, I want to let everybody know that Rocky Elmore from Episode 15, the Border Patrol agent that came on, and he was talking about paranormal experiences that he had while he was on the job, even Bigfoot experiences, and just kind

of some fun stuff that he talked about. This guy is going to be starting his own TV slash web series called Threshold, Mysteries of the Border Patrol. And he's actually doing some crowdfunding to help get it going. So if you're interested in helping to support that effort, go to the website, thecafessionalspotcast.com, hit the blog section, and you'll see a post in there. Click the link and go to his crowdfunding page and see if that's something that you'd like to do with helping support his efforts. Now, if you want to help support my efforts, go to iTunes and leave a rating and review, go to patreon.com forward slash the confessions and become a patron, or at the very least, click and highlight the link to this podcast episode and share it around all your social media accounts.

That would help me out a lot as well. So that said, I hope you guys have a great and safe week coming up. And remember, the truth will set you free, but first, it will piss you off.