The Confessionals - 784: The Fallen Angels Dark Gift | Rep. Eric Burlison

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

What if the government has been lying to you, not just about politics, but about the very nature of reality? In this gripping conversation, Congressman Eric Burlison joins to peel back the layers of government secrecy, UFO whistleblowers, and the chilling possibility of non-human intelligence. From CIA cover-ups and the JFK files to spiritual warfare disguised as disclosure, nothing is off the table. Could the truth behind these mysteries be darker and closer than anyone dares to admit?Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ImposterYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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Congressman Eric Burleson coming on the show. And I first met him when I went to Tim Poole's studio to record an episode of the Culture War with Eric Berluson. We had a great conversation up there. And after the show is over, we spent a significant amount of time talking to each other there, and then we shared an Uber back to the airport, which the airport was quite a ways away. And we had some great conversation on the way to the airport. We exchanged information. And here he is today on the confessionals

to pull back the curtain on government secrecy, the UFO, UAP investigations, and the fight to get real answers from the intelligence community. We talk about whistleblower testimony to the spiritual side of this non-human intelligence and how these things might become. from other places, other realms, not just, you know, Marvin the Martian from Mars, but this is actually an interdimensional phenomenon. We talk about it. And at the end of the show, we also talk about where are the Nephilim bones. So this was a very fun conversation. I hope you enjoy it. Let's get to Congressman Eric Burleson right now. All right, today we have Congressman Burleson on the show. How are you, sir? I'm doing great. Good to see it.

Hey, I'm glad you're here. Yeah, it's been a little bit. I ran into you at Tim Pools, should we call it a compound? I don't know what to call it. I don't know what to call it either. It was awesome, though. It was like a man's paradise. It really was. I mean, the green room itself was kind of like a real relaxed area. And that whole trip for me was like a last minute thing. I think Tim Alberino was originally supposed to be on. And he had popped off and he had something else to do, I guess. And so I filled in. And so I text him and I said, hey, cancel more often. You know, I welcome the opportunity.

So it was really cool meeting you. And we got to share an Uber ride back and, you know, we got to know each other a little bit more. And you had mentioned about coming on the show. The way we're connected is the topics we discussed on the show. And you're also part of the whole disclosure thing in the government. And I'd like before we kind of dive into that stuff, I'd like to kind of. maybe lay some groundwork because is this something that you fell into

or was it like always a fascination interest of yours? Like how does somebody get involved in government disclosure and is it like a prerect that you were always interested in these topics or was it something that was maybe more deeper for you? I would say I grew up a child of the 80s you know big fan of all the sci-fi you know, whether it's Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly.

I always love that kind of stuff. I love the X-Files. But I never kind of, you know, crossed the Rubicon to think that this is actually real. To me, it was always science fiction. So I really didn't get into conspiracy theories. And I really wasn't involved until I got into Congress and I was on the Oversight Committee. and we basically started having hearings. And I'll tell you, like, the more that we go through this,

I really kind of play, and I am the skeptic in the room. And I try to be as skeptical as I possibly can. But I'll tell you, like, the one thing that I've become consistently aware of, and I hope that your viewers are, is that we do have a federal government that has been lying to us. We have a federal government that's been lying to us And what's clear, for example, with the JFK files that are now becoming disclosed, we're learning more and more that the CIA was lying. Multiple directors of the CIA lied to Congress. We also know that they just recently, with all the files that have come out about Russiagate, there's a huge lie that was spread by our deep state and a cover-up that's been incurring ever since.

So this has me involved because I'm on the oversight committee. And so I'm just trying to do my part, be diligent about it and take it very seriously. Yeah. And I'm glad that there are people like you who are taking it seriously. I know there's several others that are. And on my end of things, it kind of went from my understandings of this, all this stuff from, you know, 10 years ago, went from, I don't know. to, I think that this might be a deeply spiritual thing. And I know there's these thoughts going around, and I know others in Congress have mentioned such things. As somebody who plays the

skeptic role, but you are a Christian, how does this whole agenda of disclosure play into how you even view your faith and has it affected your faith? Yeah, I would say the fundamentals of my faith are not changed. If anything, it's given me a little bit of a flavor as to what I used to read as a kid growing up with what we all read in Sunday school, some of these stories. And you go back and you kind of look at them through a different lens. So for me, for example, after the hearing that we had with David Grush, when he came forward as the whistleblower, I had a friend of mine who is a Christian, we go to church together. He reached out. out, when we were talking, we said,

hey, I heard people talk about you on a podcast. And it was the blurry creature podcast. I'd never heard of this podcast. Not to drop one of your... No, they're friends. Yeah, I was just at their studio. But what was intriguing is that the way he put it is that it's from a Christian worldview. And so I decided, I said that send me the link, I listened to the podcast,

and it really kind of took me down a rabbit hole, just kind of questioning, okay, yes, I do believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God. I do believe that when it says that there are these angels that appear before men, that they're not human, they're not of this earth. And so it just kind of starts you down this path and just thinking, huh, maybe, you know, this, these two topics may not be separated. But at the end of the day, in my role in Congress, I try to put that aside and really focus on the physical material facts that I can investigate. And so to me, when people say, do you believe, have you changed your views, I have done an extensive amount of research in this. I've taken trips to other countries. I've taken a lot of trips.

I will be taking more this August to investigate this phenomenon. And so far, I have not come up with anything, but I do think that we're tracking some stuff down. So you mentioned about the government lying to us. And on the surface, I mean, how hard was it to go through some of these hearings and come to the realization that it's not even an assumption. I mean, I don't know what your assumptions were going into politics, but like you get to a point where it's kind of like other things that have happened over the last several years where it comes to a point where the rubber meets the road and you can say things all you want. And you can say, oh, I think this, I think that. But when you're faced with the reality and stuff, it does something to you. Was there a moment for you that like you went from assuming, yeah, I think.

they're lying and maybe it's for our protection to, oh, this was, this was sinister. Yeah, I think, for example, the first time that I knew that we were being, that we had confirmation that we were being lied to is that when we had, David Grush gave his testimony, some of his testimony included some key facts that we could investigate and one that was that, that these special access programs are being overly compartmentalized, that they're using a loophole that allows for them to operate without providing any disclosure to Congress, but he still believed that they were violating the law in that regard. And so when we sat down with the Office of Inspector General of both the Department of Defense

and then a later meeting, and all of these were done in a SCIF and a secure setting, in a later meeting with the Office of Inspector General for the intelligence community, they both confirmed that aspect that there are, that there are, special access programs, and that they themselves had a very difficult time even getting answers from those programs, which is not acceptable and is not following the law. So that was confirmation of a few things that Grush had said. And so if you set aside the fantastical things that he had said about, you know, there being biologics and that there's crash retrievals that we have possession of some of these grass retrievals. If you set that aside, it still, for me,

was worth investigating the fact that we potentially have agencies that have gone rogue, that are not reporting to Congress. And I strongly believe as a conservative, when I say conservative, a lot of people throw that word around, but what I believe that, for me, what it means is I'm my job, my duty is to conserve the principles that our founding fathers and our nation were derived upon. And those are that your rights, your purpose in life, everything is given to you by God, and that men institute government to protect those rights. So when we have a deep state that is not, that is that is not response, that has no responsibility and is, and is rogue, it's not for, filling the original intent of this government. So that's why I feel like I have a very strong sense. Now, what has been more obvious has been the JFK investigation because we've had, we've had

two hearings on this. And at first, I'll tell you, I used to believe that it was all silly, the original conspiracies about there being a second shooter or a third shooter. And I've come to the conclusion that there's one thing you cannot deny, that is that the CIA was a lot more involved with Lee Harvey Oswald than they let up. They were intimately involved in his life, and they have been lying about it for over 70 years. So, all right, on that note, the CIA being involved with Lee Harvey Oswald, this is something that happened before most of like you and I were born. And we have the CIA operated today. The people who are, who are responsible for that incident aren't involved today. On the very surface level,

for people that maybe are, I don't know, is sitting on the fence with this stuff, why should they care about an old sinister act that the CIA, and listen, it's terrible. We lost a, we lost a president through it. But why should they, they care? in 2025 what happened back then, where do you, where should we be drawing the bridge from then to current times? Yeah, I think that if you're asking how we draw that to current times, I think that the fact, if they were able to do this and pull this off in the 1960s, you know, what are they doing to us today? And I think that this Russia gate is good evidence of the fact that we have a deep state that is willing to lie to the American people to create false narratives

and try to push them through the press. This is a disturbing fact, and it's something that I think that people need to be held accountable for. If we're going to allow this to happen, and people are not going to be prosecuted, and they're not going to lose their, or at least lose their pensions, lose their, you know, lose their jobs, I think we owe. We owe. We, it to the American people to prosecute these individuals to investigate them. Yeah. And with these organizations still operating, you know, CIA then, CIA now, I mean, as somebody who just doesn't really, I don't know what the use is for them, if they're going

to be acting outside the law itself. We talk a lot about revamping things and big changes from the inside as somebody who's on the inside of all this. What's the realistic chance that can even happen? The idea of, you know, I don't want to go as extreme as like getting rid of the CIA because I feel like that's just like impossible. But like what are the realistic changes that you think could actually happen? through this kind of disclosure of understanding what the history is here with some of these organizations? Yeah, I think that the question is really, what will the public do? Will there be enough of a public outcry to demand change from Congress? And I'll give you a perfect example.

We had an opportunity. Every two years, we have an opportunity to renew the FISA. FISA is the way foreign intelligence surveillance act. It was originally created as a way for our intelligence community to spy on foreigners and their communications, their emails, their telephone calls. This has bled over to American citizens. In fact, it was determined that the FBI inappropriately used FISA, like 270,000 times that they illegally use FISA to spy on U.S. citizens. So this is a big deal. And so Congress, when we went to renew the FISA authority, Warren Davidson, Jim Jordan, a lot of conservatives we all fought for. In fact, Mike Johnson, the current speaker, supported putting a warrant requirement in FISA so that if you're going to search on a U.S. citizen, you have to just like, they're going to search your property.

or search your records, they have to get a warrant. We were trying to put that into the FISA reauthorization, and it was blocked by just a small handful of people. If there's enough political will, we can overcome some of that. And so I do think that that topic is going to come back up in the next couple of years, but we need structural changes within the intelligence community that kind of create a leash or create guardrails so that they can't run amok. Yeah, I think there's that it's what you're describing seems like a multifaceted thing that needs to happen. Because like you're talking about building out structure so things can't happen. But within that, there needs to be build out structure publicly so that people feel like they have their voice again.

Because I think there's a lot of people who just feel like it's always the same old thing. And I feel like the American public feels like its voice. Because you mentioned about the outcry of the public. I feel like a lot of the public feels like their voice is just gone. It doesn't matter. They're just screaming into an empty room. And so I think taking ideas

and then building out the structure publicly so people can see how the structure is being built should hopefully empower the American people that they have that voice. Because I know you agree that the government works for the people, but for the longest time the people felt like the government is their boss, their owners. And there's a whole generation of

people who grew up in a world that are adults now that were born after 9-11 when the world changed, our country changed, policies changed. And that was a big point in time where it was a shift psychologically in our country. And there's adults in this world that they're making votes and they're making decisions that do not understand what this world that we live in in this country should be like compared to what it is now. So I think the transparency of building out that structure is going to be a huge piece. Yeah, it will be. It'll be, and we're just going to need the American people to wake up and to realize that, to your point, it didn't always, it wasn't always this way.

There have been moments where we've had people that have had more authority over their government, more freedom. And we can't, we cannot. Every generation has to fight for that. I agree. agree. So making a turn here back to the UAP topic, I, you know, I talk to a lot of people who have their own experiences with UAPs. And every once in a while, I've had people on the show who detail a detailed experience of a run-in with one of these things from military's perspective. And not just as somebody who was former military, but while they're in service, they had this

interaction. And I would like to run one by you, maybe even a second one, if we have time, because as far as I know, both these men have not testified before our government on these things. One is a very public person. And one, honestly, he asked me not to release his full name years ago. But his story has lined up dramatically to what we're hearing today. And he told me this back in 2019. But I talked to a guy named Ryan Pote, and I can name drop him because he's out there publicly talking to people about a book that he wrote. And ultimately, he was on some kind of, I guess, drug run, or not drug run, drug bust of a drug run. And he was in a helicopter, and he was using some kind of radar device or some kind of night vision sensing thing. And they came up on these two boats that were doing this drug run.

And they busted up and they started chasing after one of the boats. And he said that what they thought was a boat that they were chasing actually wound up dipping and going underwater as they were chasing it. And he said that, I think they had video of it and he said he was going to look around to see if he could find the video. And there was also multiple witnesses to this that have not testified before Congress. And I'm sure he's listening. because I know he's a listener to the show.

For somebody like him, if he's so desired, because I imagine there's a desire part of it as well for people who have experienced this stuff. Like maybe Congress wants to talk to them, but maybe they don't want to talk to Congress. But if he so desired and him and his, the guys he went through this with wanted to, what would be the process of even appearing before somebody

in the government to talk and testify? Yeah, it's really easy. Just reach out and call one of our offices. call my office in Washington, D.C. And just let people know that you would like to, that you'd like to tell your story and that you'd like to be a whistleblower. But it's very easy to reach out. You make it sound so easy.

I guess it is. That's wild. No, we will vet. We will vet people. I mean, we've got, as you can imagine, I get some people that come in that, that tell me that they've got. Bill Gates implants in their brain that were, you know, or that Oprah, of all people, was helping Bill Gates to implant chips into this person's brain. And you get those kinds of people

that come in. And so we do, we will vet. But at the end of the day, we'll, we'll listen to anybody and we'll be happy to hear somebody. If you've got a story, please reach out. Okay. And so with the story that I just shared with you, and it was a whole episode, so I mean, I can't go on all the details, but it, to me, what happened that night seems like it was some kind of advanced technology that they stumbled across seemingly on, they didn't, at least the guys who were there didn't know what they were going to be something across. What are some of your perspectives on this phenomenon then? Because there's definitely different routes to go with. with, but obviously one of the more, I guess, main thought topics of it is the idea that this is some kind of secret technology that's being developed. Is that where you're leaning with this? And if so, like, is it our government, is a private industry? How do you view what people are encountering? Yeah. So until somebody brings forward video evidence or photos or some kind of substantial evidence, hopefully the material itself, it's all anecdote. It's all a story, right?

It's someone's perception. And I think that I'm not trying to discount it, but at the end of the day, I can't take that and run with it and show it to the American people to say, look, this is proof, right? This person saw it, right? So I've got to have some kind of physical evidence. So if you see something, if you got videos, photos, any of that, that's wonderful. I will say in meeting with Arrow, a lot of what they do, they'll track down,

they'll investigate, and they've investigated thousands of these individual stories and incidents. And many of them have photos and have videos. Arrow, of the thousands that they've investigated, they probably have maybe a couple of dozen that they don't have an answer for

but by far 99.9% of the things they investigate turn out to be something that that is either a balloon or a drone or some other phenomenon that's been confused to be. And look, it can easily happen to anybody, but they showed, I set through

two briefings with Arrow where they just went through dozens and dozens of examples. Some of them are some very high profile events that people have taken photos of, and they definitively, in my mind, disproved that it was non-human intelligence because they were able to explain what it actually was. And so after you go through those, it becomes radiativeressing, because if your belief is that, that, that, that, um, that, that, um, that, there is non-human intelligence, there is life out there, that there are, we are being visited.

If you're going to go through that experience, it's going to be pretty depressing. For me, I walked out this, you know, with a different perspective than some of my colleagues, and I just felt like, okay, if this phenomenon, and I called our mutual friend Tim Alvarino, we talked about it after one of the briefings and I said, he said, you know, look, if this phenomenon is real, it probably, arrows probably right. Probably 99.9% of the things that people who interact with is not non-human intelligence. It is, but it doesn't mean that there might be that one needle in the haystack out there

or a dozen needles in the haystack that do exist. And so that's what I'm doing. I'm looking for these handful of needles. And so we're trying to track down real locations, real, real material, and get our hands on the actual program, which is why my request to the White House is to get a full briefing. We're trying to go through the proper channels. In the past, we have been rejected. So the way in which it works, if you're going to get a briefing, an arrow was denied giving us a basically the briefing that is the fully, highly class,

classified, you know, most sensitive briefing on this topic. And they were denied to be able to present that to us. And they were denied whenever we, when we looked into it, they were denied by our own leadership. So the House leadership. And so what does that mean? That means either the speaker or the ranking member of the Democratic Party, which would be Hakeem Jeffries. or it would have been the chairman or the vice chairman of oversight, or the chairman or ranking member, I'm sorry, chairman or ranking member of oversight or the chairman of ranking member of intelligence or of housearm services. Well, we pretty much believe that we were rejected by the chairman

or ranking member of the Intelligence Committee at that time. So we're going back through the process now that we have a new chairman of intelligence and we've got the White House behind us because when I'm, White House staff is working to try to make this happen. And so I've got a little bit of hope that we can actually get a little bit more answers than we've had before. So you're, you're feeling like the White House is still motivated for this? Yes.

Yeah, the White House and the president has been, I mean, he's the disclosure president. He's put in place people. like Tulsi Gabbard, Marco Rubio. This administration is a transparent, they want to be as transparent as possible and release as much information as possible. Okay. Because, I mean, that's another thing that I started just wondering, I guess,

privately, in fact, this is the first time I've ever said it out loud. I've had some communications with people that aren't ready to be named yet. but I started feeling like maybe the idea of disclosure in general might be getting put on a back burner for, for, and it could be for various reasons. It could not be, it may not be just for, you know, hey, we're in now this last term, who cares now. It could be, you know, as simple as, hey, there's a lot of irons in the fire and something needs to get pulled out and put in the water and cooled off a little bit before, you know, we, we overdo it here. So I just wasn't sure if, if they were doing that. But if you feel like the disclosure is still part. of the agenda and moving forward, that's encouraging. NHA, you brought up NHA, and, you know, it's actually kind of fun because you brought up NHA in the same, basically the same commentary of having the physical aspect of things of, you know, wanting to have physical evidence, and that's what we can run with. And I can understand that.

Where do you stand on the idea of NHA being a tangible aspect of, said to look at because it itself, just in the definition, non-human intelligence, like, how do you look for something that's tangible as far as that goes? I mean, are you looking for biological bodies? Yeah. I mean, we're looking for anything that we can get our hands on. I went down to Mexico City, for example, because there were reports that they had this thing I'd be called the Buga sphere. I went there. At first, I thought, because I just saw photos of it, I saw videos of it, and I thought I was, you know, highly skeptical. But when I learned that there were, there were a team of scientists that had been secured that also contract with NASA.

These are highly respected scientists in that community that they were going down to take samples. And I was invited to go down myself. I wanted to go down and see exactly what samples they were taking, what was their observations of this. So I was there during that event. And look, to me, on first glance, the sphere looks like it was handmade. It does not look like it's made by some advanced civilization.

I speculated that it perhaps could have been made by non-human intelligence. Maybe it's like a, and I use the example, Gilligan's Island building, like Gilligan on Gilligan's Island trying to build a radio with coconuts. Like it looks, it looks, it looks, it's not precision made, right? But it also is very strange. So I was willing to like have an open mind about it. But where we get the facts and where we get the data is when we get the samples back of the metal that was taken from the sphere. Because they can test it and they took enough material that they can determine. origin, the planet, like, whether this, the metal on this sphere was originated on planet Earth or was originated on outside of planet Earth.

And that will be telling. So we'll be able to get that. Also, they took some carbon dating from the sphere to determine how old it is. So all of that can kind of come into play to determine whether or not this thing actually is non-human intelligence or if it's a fake. And so we've got to be, you have to have that kind of jaundice. We're looking at some of this stuff and ask those questions. All right, let's take a second talk about our sponsor today, which is Ghostbed. And I've actually been in the market for a new mattress.

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And so we'll all find out at the same time, I assume. And it should be before the end of this year. Really? Okay. And when was that trip for you? It was a couple months ago. Okay. So this is a good example. The Bugosphere, NHA, you brought up the idea, did NHI create this? your opinion aside, the perspective of those maybe looking at it and trying to tackle the topic of NHA, would they look at the sphere itself as in H.I, non-human intelligence, it's intelligent of its own? You know, kind of like AI is. Like, AI is like this non-human intelligence. It's, you know, you kind of look at it as almost like a software or a computer program, but it's its own intelligence. Is that how they're kind of viewing that?

I don't know in this case. I think that they're going to try to see if the sphere will actually, what's on the inside of it, if it's got circuitry, if it's, but so far, I think we'll know quite a bit from the samples that were taken on the surface. Okay. And in your meetings about this, has anybody offered suggestions or thoughts on the language, that is on this sphere going around what looks like some kind of circuitry imagery. Yeah, I don't think anybody's cracked or deciphered that language. Hopefully people on the Internet will be able to crack that code.

I believe in the power of the Internet sleuths. I think that it's actually that collectively much better and much more effective than a lot of people that are the most esteemed investment. I truly think that the internet can figure stuff out. So it's interesting that we're talking about this. I didn't know we were going to talk about this, but the language. So from your perspective, for you as a single person, if somebody were to come back to you and say, this language is Anokian language, first of all, would you even have an idea what that is?

And how would you, how would you fit that? heard that. I've heard of that. Remind me what the Noquian language. So I'm not an expert in it, but it's an angelic language. Some would call it a demon language that is something that would harken back to fallen angel technology, being gifted to man, and their inscriptions on it, not a language of Earth, essentially, but from another realm. Interesting. And I'll tell you, and I understand you're, you are very much, you know, I need the facts. I need the physical evidence and things like that. But I will bring up this other story that I kind of referenced earlier because it kind of pertains to this.

I had a guy talked to me and him and I had been in communication for years. And recently he's kind of dropped off on me. But he was part of some kind of operation. He was serving in our. military. And the operation had a lot of layers to it and things went sideways on this whole thing. But when they got to this, they were being sent out, and he wouldn't tell me where this was. They were being sent out to recover information off a downed aircraft. Now, this is the first time I've heard the Inokian language tied to this. He said that his position in this whole thing, that he was out there with other soldiers, but also scientists. And their job was to get inside, recover information, and then destroy it with thermite. And they did. They did this. But he said when he got inside,

his job was to pull data. And on this, like, I don't remember exactly how he described it, but on this, like the surface of this craft on the inside, maybe a dashboard or something, I don't know. He said that there was a language he didn't recognize. and when he was flipping through a manual they had trying to understand what this language was so he knew how to do things, one of the guys that was more of a scientist came over and said, you're not going to find that in there. And he didn't understand what the guy meant. And he said, that's a Nocyan language. And he identified it as a demon language.

Now, that's a story that showed up on the confessionals in 2019. I understand that. But I think for me personally, from my perspective, when it comes to when we're dealing with NHI, as a Christian, by the way, so I want to bring that into the equation. I hear them talking about NHI in these disclosure hearings, and I can't help but to look at it and be like, yeah, I actually agree with these people. I don't know if it's the same direction that everybody else wants to go in, but I have looked into this for years, the idea of fallen angels interacting with mankind and gifting us technology

and showing us how to do things. And so is it possible that that's an angle to look at from your humble perspective? I don't want to put words in your mouth. It is. It is. It absolutely is because I am a born-again Christian as well. And that's why after that listening to that podcast, I reached out to Tam Alberino, and that's how we got connected.

And I've read his books. And it's kind of taken me down this trail of kind of rethinking some of the stories. in the Bible and rethinking like really the cosmological nature of things, right? And honestly, I can say that it's probably strengthened my faith because it really kind of, it creates this, it creates a perspective that that God is much greater than we possibly could have imagined and that the universe is so vast and so huge and there's so much creation that's involved, and that you have, you know, a hierarchy of supernatural beings, you know, whether it's the divine counsel or, you know, or whatnot.

Like that whole, that whole spiritual side, it really kind of, a lot of times I think that you just kind of, as a Christian, you're focused on the story of Jesus and about the story of the crucifixion and salvation and resurrection. And so, but this really kind of creates a bigger picture, that that was kind of the culmination of a larger story, an epic story that spanned essentially millions or billions of years, right? And so if you look at it in that perspective, it kind of, it kind of changes it a little bit. But at the end of the day, to me, what's important is the core.

part of a story for me, which is that God came down, was man, was sacrificed for our sins, and was resurrected, and is getting ready to, you know, that we will be with God at one point in heaven. That being said, and so with the discussions about there being non-human intelligence, and if you replace that with fallen angels or good angels, or you've got the whole topic of the unclean spirits, right? So which I've, the last few years of studying this, I used to think that demons and fallen angels and unclean spirits were the same, were synonymous, that they were the same thing.

But I've learned that there is a distinction between those different classifications. and so it does kind of make you wonder. And I'll tell you, I've encountered a lot of people through this process. I've spoken with some people that will tell me that they created to God and to Jesus and that they are born again Christian and that on a regular basis, when they're doing that at night or in an open sky, that they do see phenomenon, that they see UFOs, appear and make a display or some kind of presence.

I've heard that, and I've also heard stories of people that are not believers who do the exact same thing. And one has to kind of, from a Christian worldview, one has to kind of wonder, is one individual talking to angel or good angels, and one is talking to fallen angels, it's kind of just bringing me, it brings that into mind for me whenever I'm talking to people. But at the end of the day, is somebody that's on the committee investigating the topic, my response is, okay, if you can do that, show me. Let's go.

And so, so I'm just, I'm just, my attitude is let's go out. I'll be there. You can do your thing. You can pray, whatever you want to do. but I'm and I'll be looking up in the sky and if you can demonstrate something that's what I've been waiting for I've been waiting for some kind of um physical revelation to occur but but that is yet to happen so I'm so glad you said this stuff you set the stage I love it so the and I've heard the same thing and this is my perspective in my opinion And I just want to clarify that, not yours. But people who are saying that they're Christians and calling in these, they're doing CE5,

they're calling in what they want to call UAPs or spiritual entities in the sky, you're standing on Christ and saying who Christ is in your life. And, you know, Romans 109, you confess with your mouth, you believe in your heart. it doesn't change the fact that you're projecting something out there and anything can respond to it, good or bad. And the Bible constantly tells us to not practice divination. When you're doing CE5, you're essentially doing divination. You're calling in something like you're looking for a spiritual entity. Angels are a spiritual entity, good and bad. So if you're practicing calling in spiritual entities through this divination, the Bible clearly says to not do that. Therefore, when things are

responding, I don't think an angel of God is actually going to respond to your divination going against what God has told us not to do. And so when people are out there and they're doing the CE5 protocol, they're on the beach and they're calling it in, I believe that this is happening. So that's where I'm at where like, I believe this stuff is. happening. But what I'm saying is I don't think that one, as a Christian we should be doing it. And two, I don't think that if just because you called in an entity and you're saying you're a Christian and the entity tells you something doesn't mean that it's a good entity because, hey, I'm a Christian. Like there's a whole mass amount of deception that gets, that's thrown into

the pot here when we're dabbling with the idea of calling in spiritual entities. And I believe that's what's happening right now. It could be. It very well could be. And it's kind of disturbing to me how much, you know, culturally this is becoming more and more of a topic. And it almost makes you wonder, are we entering like a quickening phase here? Are we entering into like a point of acceleration? Because it certainly feels like there's an acceleration of this that's occurring. I don't know if you would agree with that, but I, you know, I, for example, I've had people come tell me that they were never a Christian, never read the Bible, and but they are part of this. And they became a believer in Jesus because the entities that are communicating to this individual are telling him that Jesus was real. He was the son of God and all that.

But my thought also, whenever I heard that was, well, the angels also, or the unclean spirits, the demons also believed in Jesus. And they trembled. And had a different attitude about him, but they didn't deny that he existed, right? So to me, I think this topic is extremely, you've got to be very, you really need to have your guard up. You need to put on the full armor of God if you're going to go in this direction. because I think that this is a very dangerous topic that people are entering into. So I want to offer a perspective. I just want to go back and forth to you on this.

So people who come into this idea of accepting Christ in their life because they were doing CE5, I don't even want to say that's impossible or that didn't happen either because there is a level of advanced deception that can be at play here. What better to have a bunch of Christians who are going out to the beach, calling in entities, saying their angels from God, and other people coming to Christ because they called in an entity that told them that Christ is real. What a better way to deceive a mass amount of people to get comfortable with the idea of divination, calling it entities, and listening to those entities and what they have to say. And we see that, and I don't want to drop names, but we see that in very specific cases where people are in deep communication with these. entities now that are guiding them and telling them certain things that are just straight up away from Christ. And so I really feel like there's what we're seeing is a spilling over into

from a spiritual realm manifesting into this realm. What we're seeing culturally and with our own eyes during these situations is spiritual warfare playing out right before our eyes. And the tool of spiritual warfare, one of the major tools is deception. And I feel like we are part of this cosmic mass deception that's part of the spiritual warfare. And whether it's part of the UAP topic or naturally, or it's being grafted in for convenience, it's being tied together. And it's very, for me, it's very concerning because at the end of the day, I think our instructions are clear, if something appears before you and tells you something that is against Scripture, you shouldn't be doing it and you shouldn't be following it. And if that thing that

appeared before you is telling you something that's scripturally sound, but you called it in, you can't trust the source. Because essentially you are the source. You're the one who caused this. In the scripture, how many times do we see somebody who calls in an angel of God? First of all, I don't know how many that is, but it's probably not that many. Most of the time they're appearing to the people. And the first thing that they say is be not afraid because they're terrifying. And this whole encounter of, oh, it's peace, love, and happiness, and it's enlightening me. I'm very hesitant to say that these things are from God.

Now, I think that people do have experiences with angelic beings that are from God. God, but they don't step outside the playbook that God has stepped before us. And I'd rather not just kind of go rambling on now about that and stuff. But I, I don't know. With this, with these things, let me kind of backtrack a little bit here. I think that part of it too is having, is how close to are you in relationship with the Holy Spirit, right? So because because there's certainly are moments where people, people, I believe, can cry out to God and God responds. And I have heard those stories. I personally have had experiences where I have had a moment where I felt like God was directly speaking to me. And it was a very still small voice, right? But I wouldn't

dismiss those kind of events that they do not happen. But I think that the part of it is how close are you to the, to the Spirit, to the Holy Spirit. And because the Spirit, Holy Spirit will, if you're leaning on it, will tell, will let you know if this is, if it's, if it's genuine. And the closer that you are with Christ and the more that you read the Bible, the more that you will discern what is, what's a lie and what is not. I, a hundred percent agree with you. There's, there's a level of discernment needed. And the only way to have that is to have a close relationship with the Lord. so that you hear his voice.

You know, my son's going into second grade this week. And last year, he's in first grade and we're driving to school. And he asked me a question I wasn't ready for at 7 o'clock in the morning. He said, Daddy, how do I hear, or how do you hear the Holy Spirit speaking? And I was just like, that's deep for a 7 o'clock conversation with a first grader. But I told him, you know, and I used this example with him that the day that we brought his little sister home. He was three years old and she was a baby. And he's holding her and talking to her. And she didn't understand a word that he was saying. And I told him, I said, over time, she's,

she's in the house and she hears sounds like food. And every time she hears food, something's getting put in her mouth. She hears Ben, his name. And all of a sudden, she starts identifying whenever that sound happens, everybody's looking at him. So she learns his name. I said, the only way to hear God consistently and clearly is to spend time in his presence consistently so you learn his language, you learn how he speaks, and you learn to hear his voice. And I think with this stuff, it's imperative that if somebody is a Christian is drawing close to God so that they hear his voice, they know his voice, and they know when somebody sneaks in the back door and starts saying their name, they're like, that doesn't sound like my dad. That's not my dad. I'm not

going to listen to that. I think you bring it up the sermon is a huge piece of that for sure. So let me ask you about this, I guess maybe the other side to this in a sense where we're talking about NHI. We're talking about the idea of technology and maybe from another realm. I'm really big on talking about the idea of spiritual warfare and how that might be. might actually be playing out in the second heaven right now, spilling over it here. Maybe that's for another day. But is it possible? Like, let's just use this, what we were talking about here, the, the bugosphere.

You mentioned about how it almost looked like it was made by hand. Do you think that there's a chance that, say this seems like it has advanced technology that we shouldn't have access to? Do you think that there's a chance that there's reverse engineering at play here where, somebody, whether it's a government or private organizations, is getting their hands on advanced technology from somewhere else, and they're actively trying to reverse engineer such things. I do, so there have been quite a few whistleblowers that have come forward to make that claim. David Grush has made that claim. Jacob Barber has made that claim.

Jacob Barber said that he was on the program to retrieve these objects. and incidentally what he did say is that 99% of the things that they retrieved were man-made but on a rare occasion they retrieve something that clearly was in his mind and everybody that he was with was not made by humans and and they take them to a particular facility is what they've been told

so this is a common trope like I'm hearing this from a lot of different whistleblowers that are coming forward. Some of them, some of them are like you have Michael Herrera who has publicly stated that he was, you know, working in a different military branch and they stumbled upon, you know, a contracting group that was retrieving or working with a UAP. So you're hearing this from different perspectives. At the end of the day, there's no, there still isn't any evidence there's no photos. But that does give me an opportunity to then try to work

within the federal government and try to get to the bottom of it and try to find out, okay, are there locations, these locations that these guys are talking about where things are being dropped off, can we figure out a way to get there? Can we figure out a way to secure the location and actually get our hands on some of these devices if they exist? And so at least it gives, it, gives a breadcum trail or some kind of direction as to where we might be able to go to investigate. Yeah. And that's good. I mean, and I'm glad you brought up Michael Herrera because I wasn't even sure if you were aware of his his story in depth, but clearly you are. Because he makes some from some strong claims, some strong claims during his, I saw the interview that he did with

Sean Ryan. And I wasn't planning on bringing this up, but let me just bring. bring it up. We're dealing with the idea of human trafficking in this country and globally. And he, and part of his story is that the idea that human trafficking being tied to UAP

and I feel like maybe this is even a question as much of more of a comment towards you. It feels like this is a prime example of a layered onion here. Like we're talking about the spiritual side of this possibility, the physical side of this. You know, for me,

the idea of, you know, biological beings coming from another galaxy visiting us. With everything else that I look at, I was just like, that's probably lower on the list. But then there's the layer of the onion of using technology that's advanced for the sinister means of, you know, human trafficking or maybe other things. It's really showing how layered and complex this is and how the lines get blurred. And you don't see it, it's hard to see it all clearly. You know, as I know we're winding things down here, talking with you here, but also in the Uber, I got to tell you, I walked away from our conversation in the Uber very encouraged because I really felt

like I actually met somebody because, you know, we have millions of people in this country. Not everybody gets to meet people like you. And I got a chance to meet somebody who's actually working. And I really felt like you were being sincere and honest. trying to track down truth. Not the truth by Tony or Albarino or the whistleblowers, but just pure, what is this? And I find it, I find a very encouraging moving forward here. The human trafficking side of things, if that is true, it just presents a whole other layer to this where it's like, okay, so now you have advanced technology in the hands of probably

humans who are actually working a criminal network to do very sinister things. I mean, I don't even know how you begin to start tackling something like that. Yeah, I think you focus on getting to the kernel of what's happening. And then once you reveal that to be true, then all of the other things are now uncovered. And you can start evaluating it and investigating all of the different. to me, that's kind of the, to me, that would be the more logical path. Like pursuing this on the human trafficking thing, it's really disturbing if it is true. But at the end of the day, I think that we have more evidence and more tangible evidence towards trying to identify these reverse engineered craft.

So I got one more question for you here. On the governmental side of things, we had the disclosure happening. and there's, I think, for elementary terms, I think there's good guys and bad guys, even in the disclosure realm. And do you see that play out behind closed doors where it's like, there's, there's probably, I mean, for my assumptions,

there's got to be a group of people who are involved in this that are trying to tightly spin a narrative to people for them to view it in a certain direction. Or do you feel like there are people, that most of them involved, or just purely after the truth like you? Yeah, this is a good question.

But part of this investigation has been me having to learn all of the different factions, all the different groups, and their paradigm, right? They overlap quite a bit. Most of what they say is pretty consistent with each other. And then they really get caught up. It's almost like within the Christian church, how denominations can really split and fracture over a very nuanced perspective of the Bible. This is the same thing with the UAP community.

They are extremely hard on each other. And they will go after each other. Sometimes they sue each other. And so that is a whole dynamic. My perspective is I don't really, I don't want to get involved and pick a side. I just want to talk to everybody. because at the end of the day, I've got to get to the truth. And if I can pull in as much information as possible,

and then I'll be able to figure out and filter through what's true and what's not true. So that's why I just am agnostic as to which group to get involved with or to not get involved with. Right. And you know what? Hearing you say that reminds me that you and I have something very in common. And it's you and I, our career paths, have us in the public where we're learning publicly. And so at times, we're not going to have all the answers. And it requires somebody in our roles to be humble and not ever get to a point where it's like, oh, I know, I know, I know. And more like, let's just learn, take in the information and try to discern it as we take it in.

So my parting question to you is a hard left turn. But sir, where are the Nephilim giant bones, man? Like, I got, I got to know. I got to know because I'm an explorer. I shoot documentaries. I go hunting down mysteries. And I'm on the hunt for the Nephilim bones. Where are they?

Well, good. Well, then I need to ask you where they are because I'm interested as well. I do think that just from watching some of these mega, Catholic, learning more about ancient civilizations. I think Albarino, for example, in all the things you've been saying, I kind of have to agree what in the world, why is our scientific community, archaeological community, why are they not trying to figure out how in the world did these ancient civilizations move stones and carved them so perfectly and lift them up

mountains that we couldn't do today. That is really, when you kind of come to that conclusion that that happened, you know, more than 10,000 years ago, that's mind-blowing, right? And that kind of really changed it. That's, that should be something that there's evidence right there. Why can't we be investigating that kind of stuff? And so to me, this like ancient civilization stuff that maybe was like killed off in a cataclysm or multiple cataclysm. is an intriguing, intriguing concept to me. I think that when it comes to investigating the giants, I've had someone that I finally made contact with who is, I'm requesting, because what a lot of people have said is that the Smithsonian has access, or has these giant bones. And if that's

true, that's great, because being on the oversight committee, we have direct oversight. over the Smithsonian. And so, but, and so I've requested, any hard evidence that anybody has, including, you know,

any hard evidence that the, the Smithsonian has these, then I'm happy to go take a look. But I will tell you, it's not my priority. And so, I just, but I am answering your question.

I will tell you this right now. I will volunteer to be your assistant for free. If I get to make it my main priorities. I will drop the podcast for an entire two months to be right by your side to help you with whatever. If I can go over there and look in the crates, man. I think you and Alex Stein,

I was on his Alex Stein's podcast, and he brought this up out of left field as well. And he also said he wants to be there whenever we uncover them in the Smithsonian. I have been. I have been chasing this stuff for a long time. Before I was even a podcast or I was a truck driver and I roamed the woods on the weekend by myself looking for these mysteries. That's what I did for fun. And so I just, I had to bring it up and stuff because I know you and I had talked about it a little bit in the Uber.

I really appreciate you coming on and joining me here. And I was very encouraged by our conversation. and, you know, I was a little, I was a little nervous to do the conversation because I know where my brain goes with this stuff. And I was like, man, I hope I don't, you know, throw him off. But you, you did great and actually really reciprocated well with some of my commentary because I was thinking myself, as I was saying stuff, I was like, man, I'm probably throwing him some wild stuff right now. But clearly you've thought about all this stuff. And I appreciate you joining me. Oh, it's been great. And I hope we continue this relationship. And we, and we,

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