The Confessionals - 790: Avatars, Ancient Gods, and Possession with Jonathan Cahn

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

What if the ancient gods never died, but returned, possessing world leaders and shaping history right now? In this explosive interview, Jonathan Cahn reveals shocking secrets from The Avatar, exposing how ancient deities, spiritual possession, and prophetic templates may be manipulating governments, culture, and entire nations. From mass exorcisms and supernatural encounters to hidden patterns linking Ahab, Jezebel, Jehu, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris, the evidence points to a chilling spiritual agenda. Could America itself be undergoing a dark re-possession as the gods return, unleashing chaos, deception, and a battle between light and darkness foretold thousands of years ago?Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSasquatch and The Missing Man: merkelfilms.comMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Cahn:Website | New Book: The AvatarMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - ImposterYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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thank you for joining me here on the show The Confessionals. Thank you very much. Great to be here. So I have been aware of your life and your story for many years. And one of the books that I first dove into was The Return of the Gods. And I couldn't help, as I was kind of reviewing some things this morning, it just kind of popped in my head that the return of gods seem to have laid a framework for this book. And with what I, a little bit of the background with me is my show, we dive, especially now, a lot into the supernatural aspects of our existence, being aware that we're in spiritual warfare on a daily basis.

And when I read the return of the gods, it really resonated with me because of the reality of the suspicions that I had of what was happening. And then what you laid out in a book was like more comfortable. And it feels like this book, The Avatar, is the next stage of that. Okay, so God's returning. What does that look like? And if you could, maybe we can start off with the foundation of, you know, what is an avatar for somebody that would be thinking maybe some kind of movie, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the Avatar, first time, it's perhaps the most explosive. I mean, the Return of the God was explosive. of, you know, this is perhaps the most explosive book I've written because it's not, it's kind of taking it from, as you said, the return of the gods, but now coming into our realm, the government, everything.

I mean, like, how it's actually translating with people and with everything, the events that we've been watching. And Avatar is actually a word from India, you know, which is, before the movie came, you know, came about, the gods in the, in mythology, and this is all across the world. they believe that the gods can have avatars or people or appearances or manifestations where the gods act through the avatar, the person, the thing, the people. Sometimes it could be another god in Hinduism. But so that, so the question is, could there, you know, we talked about the return of the gods. And for people who are just watching this, I mean, I know what we're saying, but we'll get into it.

Yeah. What does that mean? But could now we go to another stage where there actually is people and, you know, maybe people even in the government, and, you know, actually instruments of these forces that have come back when we emptied ourselves of God, when as America has been emptying itself. So this is taking it, you're right, but it's taking it to a whole other level. Yeah, and that's what it feels like. But I feel like it's a good level to go because of the fact that people have to understand not only the awareness of the supernatural and what's happening, but also the logistical, means behind it, like, how is this actually going to roll out?

Yeah. And so with the avatar, there's this inhabitation of ancient God, ancient spirit. Are we talking, like, possession? Is that what this would be? It overlaps with that. Because here's the, I mean, the biblical framework is this. You know, before the gospel came into the world, everything was pagan, basically. You know, I mean, or outside of Israel or outside.

And so people are worshipping gods all over the world. And the thing is that the Bible says that behind the gods, it's not, they aren't just, there's mythology, of course, but behind that are actually spirits, you know. And the Hebrew word is the word Shadim, they call them. These are entities. It says they worship the Shadim. Not just mythology. They are, they're behind it.

And it makes sense. I mean, what would a spirit do or an evil spirit that to take worship away from God to itself? So all around the world, people are worshipping. And the word was translated in the New Testament as daemonia. We get the word demonic from that. So that's where you, so you got an overlap right there. Between on one hand, you have the gods who, you know, who according to the belief, they will take, they will appear as people or in fill or indwell people.

Well, then you have possession, because if behind the gods are these spirits, really, that is kind of what you're talking about in a sense. I mean, you know, people can be used of these things with, you know, instruments, but also it could be possession. And around the world, one of the things I open up with in the avatar is I'm sharing the encounters I had, I mean, literally in the nations with these things, you know, with, and the thing is that in these nations, as far away from whether it's, whether it's Cuba, whether it's India, whether it's Africa, they all have the concept that these gods can possess people and the people become like the gods. They move with them. So, yes, you know, but could this ever happen in America, you know, in one form or another and that's another thing. But I do open up actually when you're talking about the supernatural sharing the encounters I had.

Yeah. Could you go into that place? Yes. Because I love hearing these stories because I feel like it builds people's faith, but it also brings people to faith because there's people who maybe listen to shows like mine, which focuses heavy on such things. And they may not be walking with Christ, but they're interested in these topics. and these kind of stories, I believe,

help bridge the gap to bring people into belief. Yeah, and by way, I believe, you know, one of the things, as I, along with what you do on the podcast, what I seek to do in the book is, it's whether someone's an atheist, it doesn't matter. If they read, whether a believer or an atheist, they read the book, the books, it's like, whoa, wait, it's hard to argue with it.

It's like there's something there you've got to deal with it, you know. So starting with the foundation, what I experienced, which I, and I've not really shared this in other books, for instance, I'll give you an example. I was called to go to India. India is a land of 30 million gods. And so you know there's going to be spirits, you know. And when I was, we were heading to the Taj Mahal, okay, and we're coming back at night,

and it's fog, the fog goes, and you can't see anything. But our Indian driver is racing through the fog. And literally, as the fog clears the different points, we had to stop because there were accidents all around the road. They were turned over cars. They were turned over vehicles. vehicles, trucks, food carts, everything turned over. It's kind of, I've never seen anything like it.

Finally, our car crashes into a truck. The truck drags us. We're in a town dragging us. We're going back and forth like we're going to go over too. By God's grace, we didn't get killed. Now the thing, here's the thing. This is like the first two days of our mission in this land of the gods, you know, and we were almost killed, you know.

And the thing is that when I look back, when later on I'm reading, and it talks about this, there's a, there's a God called. called Krishna. And Krishna is called the trickster god. And one of the things that Krishna did according to the mythology is he turns over vehicles. Now it turns over vehicles. Now, it turns out where he was is a specific area land, which is where the road was. We're on the road in the land of Krishna and we're experiencing that. And that goes with what the Bible says, that behind the gods because, I mean, you know, mythology doesn't turn over carts, you know, or doesn't do anything. You know, but spirits can be part of this world.

And the other thing that happened in India is at the end, I'm standing in front of like 70,000 people at night. And I'm going to share the gospel. It's an outdoor, and they're Indians and robes. And I said, let me first blow the shofar. Now, the shofar is the trump of the biblical trumpet. And I said, you know, we're praying for freedom. And I sound it.

And also, we don't know what happens. Like, there's like a wave comes back at us. And it's like blood-curdling screams. if you can imagine being there at a deliverance, at an exorcism, except it's thousands of people. Wow. I mean, we've never experienced it. It's like a mass, actually, like spirits going.

So here we're in the land of the gods. Now, these people, you know, well, you know, they don't know the chauffeur. They never heard of it before. And yet in the Jewish world, the shofar, in the Bible, too, is a sign of God's power. But in the Jewish world, it was actually believed that when you sound on the showfar, the enemy flees or the spirits flee, and they actually used it during exorcism. But the people in India, they're not reading the Bible, and they're not reading the Jewish Encyclopedia, but it just happened.

It happened. And so actually the Bible says, you know, God says when you're in warfare, when you're in war, sound the trumpet, and you'll be heard, and you'll prevail against the enemies. So that's where it comes from. This is in the, you know, so there's, so, so, I experienced this, this, this, this, this, realm where, you know, you're talking about the gods and but spirits, they're real things. Now, now, so this is what happened. And I was, after this, I was asked to go to Cuba.

Fidel Castro, the dictator of Cuba, decides to open up the island for the gospel, just for religious freedom for one month. And not that he really cared about it, but he wanted to show the world that he had religious freedom. Such a nice guy. Which he did. Yeah. And so I was asked to go there and open it up and with a shofar, the sounding the trumpet. And so I did.

And it was for one month. I ministered across the land. And when I'm in one city, a guy comes off the street. and he says, I have to talk to the Jewish guy. And he says that we've been praying, the believers of Cuba have been praying, there's a curse on the island. And it's linked to what we did to the Jewish people,

and Jewish people have to come back, or a Jewish person has to come back, and the curse has to be broken. And he says, there's a mountain in the city. There's a big mountain overlooking city. He says, people worship the gods there, and they sacrifice, and there's idols. But God said he's going to turn that curse into a blessing,

and it's going to come down the mountain. I'm thinking, okay, I guess we're going up that mountain tomorrow. So we go over the mountain, I have the shofar. Get to the top. There's a pavilion of all the gods inside. And a guy standing outside and he calls out to me. And I don't know the guy, but it seems like he knows me. He comes over, we have a transit, comes over.

He says, I've been waiting for you. And he's holding in his hand a ceramic plate. And the ceramic plate is a painting of me blowing the shofar. Wow. And I had the shofar there. And the thing is, he says, no, he says, I'm a believer. He said, God taught. me to paint this picture. And then I put it in the house of the gods, the idols. And that night,

the strap that broke apart, the leather strap broke apart. And the play came down and struck the head of the chief god of Cuba, the idol, struck it, the idol. In the morning, the worshippers came in and they opened up their, their pavilion, and they find their chief god on the floor. And with the crown, the god was named Oshun, was a goddess. And the crown, and the crown is removed. She was wearing a crown. As they removed next to it is a plate of this Jewish guy with a horn. And the thing is that they took it as a sign from God. And the thing is we heard later a pastor from that city came back and he said, the people are coming to the churches, bringing their idols, bringing their, they're saying smash our idols. We heard what happened

on the mountaintop. And revival broke out in the city. Wow. And so this is, now, now, Tony, I've seen this. So this, I gave you, just giving a little taste for that India, Cuba, happened also in Africa, Nigeria, major stuff like this, you know, in Brazil. But, and the thing is, wherever I went, there were these, there were the gods. And behind the gods are actually, there are actually entities, you know. And that, the thing is, and there's a whole thing with that. This is just setting the foundation. Could this affect America?

Could this be affecting our lives? And the thing is that people think, well, America, you know, that's, you know, gods are for the past and it's for, it's, but what it's saying is, they're not for the past, number one, because spirits don't die. And it's more dangerous when you don't. know when you went for for a nation like America or the West it's more dangerous when you ignore it and you don't know it how it can be affecting everything in our lives and talked about the return of the gods and and what this is kind of put to put it together for people who

haven't read that is Jesus gave a parable about the guy who's possessed and he's delivered and the spirit he stays empty though he doesn't get filled with God and so the spirit comes back bringing seven other spirits and they repossess the man And Jesus said his end is worse than the beginning. But people think, okay, that's about a guy. He says, no, so it will be with this generation. It's not just people. Here's the warning.

And here's the big thing, is that, you know, Western civilization originally was filled with the gods and it was pagan. And that means it was filled with the spirits. But the gospel came in. And the gospel drove out the gods. And that meaning drove out the spirits. So it's the only civilization that's been exercised in a sense. That's what makes it unique. But the warning from that parable is that any nation or any civilization or culture that has known God been delivered, been known the gospel, if it should empty itself of God, then that which was cast out of it is going to come back into it.

And so that's what we've been witnessing in America. You could call it a repossession. And it's not just general. It's exact. Because one of the things the return of the gods is that you can actually name, you know, identify, it's called the Dark Trinity, identify the ancient gods and goddesses that are actually behind what we are all dealing with right now. Yes.

And I feel like this is, you're talking about on a macro level in a sense of like an entire nation, but it's made up of individual people who have their own pursuits. And what you're saying is, I know you went into Nietzsche and Dionysus. I would love to go there with you because I think what you just laid out and the idea of the gods returning in mass, I think there are people who are actually trying to make this happen. And we can talk about anywhere from the governmental level down to the individual level. I'll just give you an example right now that I'm pretty sure you probably don't know about. There's a docu series that it started out with these people got this really weird email, and it was signed by a supposed alien.

So they go on this chase of trying to track down this bizarre story in Ohio and takes them down into Kentucky. And it's an entire series, and at the end of the series, the last thing they do is they find themselves in a cave in Kentucky where they're doing a ritual trying to summon and resurrect the ancient God pan. And so there's people. Is this, just so I know, was this, is this a story? No, this is 100%. Like, like, it's a documentary. Yeah, you could watch it.

Okay. And it came out several years ago called Hellyer. And it's just, and the interesting thing about that is it kind of mirrors Nietzsche in the sense that Nichi, from what I understand, his father was a pastor. And the guy who was doing this with his wife, he married a witch, but he came from the faith. His father was a pastor. And he's divorced himself from the faith. Yes. And so it's like, when you remove yourself from the faith and you.

remove God out of your life, you do open up that door for many things to come in. And it's pretty severe. Yeah, that, I mean, that totally goes with what Jesus said, and it goes with the mystery that it's worse, you know, for instance, in the parable, it's worse if the guy had, the, if the guy had never been delivered, he just stayed in that. It's worse than he, that he was delivered, and then he, he opened himself up to get repossessed. And so to turn away from God, is worse than never knowing God. And so if you look at a, that's with people, as you're just naming right there, it's not an accident that they came from, in a sense, a Christian format because that's more

dangerous. You know, a pagan civilization will produce a Nero, but a post-Christian one will produce a Hitler or an Antichrist. So it's more dangerous, far more dangerous for any nation. Now this involves America and the West that has known God to turn away from God. It's a dangerous thing. And so that goes with Nietzsche. And for those who don't know, let me set it up this way.

I don't know if you saw the Olympics, but okay. So, and everybody who saw it, you know what I'm talking about? This was probably the most widespread act of blasphemy we've probably ever seen. And that is the opening ceremony, by the Olympics already have a pagan thing to it to begin with. But you've got this opening ceremony and they have the last supper, you know, a representation. Except instead of Jesus and the apostles, they have drag queens and they have the one who's Jesus is a woman and openly, you know, lesbian woman. And then, you know, in the last supper, you have the body of the Lord.

You know, the elements represent the body of Lord, the bread and the wine. You know, they have a food, a covered plate of food. They take off the plate and instead of the elements of the communion, it's the God Dionysus. It's an ancient, ancient pagan God. So the first thing is, it's amazing because in the thing about it, in the beginning of the age, Jesus replaced Dionysus and replaced the gods and drove them out. Now you got a picture of the reverse. They're replacing Jesus with Dionysus.

And Dionysus is a pagan god of immorality, sexual immorality possession, drove his followers into frenzies, into madness, you know, to commit violence. And so you have a picture of what's happening in our society, what's happening in our world is actually replacing Jesus with that. And that's what tells you. When you take Jesus out, it's not going to stay empty, not going to be neutral, not going to be secular in the end. You're getting God's back coming out.

So now the other thing is, so we mentioned Nishi, Nietzsche, Nichi was, gives us an example of really what happens because he's one guy. And Nichi, what he advocated for was get rid of Jesus, get rid of God, take him out, get rid of Christianity, get rid. That's what he wrote about. And in Germany in the 19th century. But he actually was a follower. I mean, an admirer of Dionysus. He talked about him all the time. And the thing is, so he wants Jesus out and Dionysus in.

And the thing is that at the end of his writing career, as Dionysus is the God of Madness, he goes mad. Nietzsche becomes insane. And he ends up signing his works, not as Nietzsche, but as Dionysus, as if he was taken over. And the thing is that even though he went crazy, he went crazy and that was it for his writing,

his writing survived. and one of those who read his writings was Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. He became, Nietzsche became the philosopher of Nazism. And so look what happened. And Nazism did that exact thing. They drove out God and they were basically possessed. And now we see this on the Olympics. It's a mass thing of saying what's happening in our culture.

That's how important this is. That's how what we're dealing with. That's how big this is. So as a philosopher, was he openly atheistic? Because, I mean, I got the sense that he was, but I have a hard time with some of these people who are, they push back against Christian, they push back against Christ. But what they do is they just introduce a new form of spiritualism. And you're talking about the Dionysus. That's literally just, it's not atheism.

It's just, it's a new, it's a new theism in your life. Well, you know, this brings that it's an important point. Because according to the parable, if you empty yourself of God, you're not going to have atheism. You're going to have the empty house is not going to stay empty. Right. And so that, so you're not even going to have just secular. So notice, so you always, it doesn't matter what it is, Nazism, you had, it was pagan,

pagan all over. They had, I mean, I mean, they, you know, it wasn't neutral. It was evil demonic. Same with, with communism, Marxism. You know, what happened with that? You know, they said there's no God, but they became demonic. They killed millions of their own people. You know, the state became God.

So you, you know, we need God. So if you drive God. not out, there's always going to be another God in one point. Even if it denies it, there's going to be another God. So Nietzsche would literally lift it up Dionysus. I mean, so the house does not stay empty. In the 1960s, we drove God out of the schools. The house did not stay empty. Now look at what has come into the schools. Look at what's happened to the children. Because you need God. It's one or the other. It's either God or the gods. Yeah. And I see the difference in our culture and the children. specifically as a father, where you actually see when you introduce Christ, you introduce God into the children's lives and stuff,

how they develop from there is dramatically different than other areas of our culture. So I just feel like when we see these figures like Nietzsche in history, you see it get passed down through other influential people like Hitler as well. So is this something that you think is going to pursue or continue until the end of days? Is there a way to stop this? Because when we're talking about avatars, one of my thought process is kind of going back to the fundamentals is can an avatar be redeemed? Somebody who is inhabited by an ancient god, a demonic spirit, is it possible? I mean, I'd hate to say no, but is it something where it's incredibly hard to be redeemed?

and come to Christ, I mean... Well, on one hand, if by avatar, we're talking about somebody who's possessed, somebody who's been possessed, can be delivered. So that's one thing. You know, if someone,

there's other forms of this, and one of the things is, one of the things that the avatar reveals, and that's why it's probably the most explosive, it reveals actually people or a person on the, in our political stage right now, and we can get into it,

who actually, the life of this, person is in effect an avatar of a specific deity. I mean, I mean, it's amazing and it's crazy, but it's real. So, but does that mean that person is possessed? I don't know that. Driven by, moved by, you know, impelled by, used of entire life. Yes, you know, but there's always hope, you know, but see, so we're talking about, I mean, we're talking about, on one hand, people, and we're also talking about a nation. Can a nation be delivered? You know, because America is kind of, you know, what's been happening with our culture, it's been, it's like a possess.

you know, it's like the return of these gods. It's actually, you know, and that's why we've been looking, Tony, I don't know, like the last few years, it's like, this is madness. I mean, how could people be for the, the mutilation of children? I mean, to, you know, how can people before, you know, they go on and it's crazy? How can people say there's no such thing as male or female? I mean, and medical association. How could that happen? It's not rational, you know, because it's, it's a possession, you know. And so one of the things that, you know, we go from the realm of the gods to avatars is the realm of leaders who are on the stage right now for good or for bad, you know, because also, and then notice something else, God can use people as instruments,

you know, the enemy can as well. And we're witnessing this. So you talk about like the end days, I believe you're going to have both. You're going to, you know, you have the power of God. You know, you have the power of the devil. You know, the Lord is stronger. But in the end, in the end days, the night gets darker, but the lights get brighter. So there's going to be, it's warfare, you know, is what we're dealing with. Yeah. So we can go into that then, the person you're referring to and how that kind of plays out because I find it very interesting the connections you made with her. Yeah. Yeah. Let me, if it's okay, just to set a little stage with it to talk about some of the leaders. Yeah. Because there's an ancient template. We bring this from the realm of the gods into the realm of kings.

There's an ancient template in the Bible that actually reveals what's happening on our national stage, like with virtually every major American. leader in the last quarter century, there's an ancient prototype behind them. And once you see the prototype, it's like, whoa, you know, and I'll give it just, I'll just give a very quick. We'll lead to Trump, and he's not the avatar, by the way. But then we'll get to that. But that, you know, when Israel was falling away from God and getting into these gods, there was a time, there was certain kings who ruled over it. And the amazing thing, it was the house of Ahab, you know, the House of Ahab was an evil house. And the thing is that, the amazing thing is from this period of time, you see

each one is like a template and a prototype of people today and they don't know it. They have no idea, but it's amazing. Example, quick example. There was, you know, Ahab was a, he was, he knew about God, by the way, but he was torn and he was, he launched a culture war

against God. It basically was, it divided the nation, culture war. And he was, his reign was filled with scandal. Well, he's the prototype behind the man we know of as Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton, him actually followed the template of Ahab. And the thing is, Ahab, it said,

Bill Clinton was on the national stage for 22 years, from governor to the end of his presidency. You read in the Bible, Ahab was on the stage of Israel for 22 years. Really? Yeah, exactly. And by the way, I'm just throwing this in. And when Ahab, in the 19th year of Ahab being on this national stage

is a big scandal. 19th year of Clinton on the stage was 1990, 1998. and brings you to the big scandal of his presidency, the Lewinsky scandal, which he was, you know, and by the way, it's in the same exact, it's not just the 19th year, it's the 19th year to the month. I mean, and maybe to the days. Let me throw another one just with this,

and that is that with Ahab, after Ahab confesses, at one moment he confesses sin, then he turns back again. Bill Clinton confessed finally. It was months later. And the three years after Ahab confesses, a calamity comes on the nation. Okay, three years after Clinton confessed comes 9-11, not just the year, but the exact day.

Three years to the day of his confession, to the morning, to the hour. Okay. So just give you an idea. Wow. Now, Ahab had a wife. Okay. And his wife was even more radical than he was and was for actually the killing of children, the big child sacrifice. That's bail worship.

Her name was Jezebel. Well, the template, and it's not that to be. We got to pray for everybody. We have no enemies. We pray for them, but it's being followed by Hillary Clinton. Clinton was the abortion champion of the century, voted by Planned Parenthood. Child Sacrifice. She was like a co-presidency.

Clinton, Hillary Clinton was on the national stage with her husband for 22 years, but then she continued on in national office or running for president for 14 years. Well, Jezebel was on the national stage with her husband for 22 years on her own 14 years. And then you have another one. I'm going to do this quick here, but another one who was like a son of Ahab, who reign, whose name was Joram. And I won't go into the details, but Obama is going to follow this without knowing it. Obama was on the national stage for exactly 12 years, from the Democratic Convention,

we were a celebrity to his last day. 12 years. Well, Joram was on the national stage for 12 years. And so it keeps going. And the thing is, here's the thing, Tony, is that when you look at this template, if it had kept going on like that, if God didn't interpret, it was going to be the end of Israel right then. It was going to be, it could be sealed to apostasy. The House of Ahab was taken over everything. Well, America was also has been like that where this

culture that wokeism and this whole anti-God was, has been taking over like every major institution. But then there's a surprise in the template. And it's not about a man. Okay. But the surprise is that that, and this is the mystery of Donald Trump. And that is that a man called Jayhu. God raises up a man called Jayhu. Jayhu is, is wild. He's, he's, unpredictable. You never know what he's going to say next or do next. He's not a politician. He's a fighter. Well, so was Donald Trump. He, Jayhu embarks on a wild race, literally a chariot race to the throne. Donald Trump. Jayhu makes an alliance with the religious conservatives of Israel. Donald Trump makes an alliance with the religious conservatives of America. Jahu invites one of them to be his partner running made in this chariot to go, so did Donald Trump, who's religious conservatives. And Jayhu, in order to come to the throne, he's got to come ahead to head against the nation's former first lady. Think about it. Wow.

Everybody was saying that, you know, Hillary Clinton was going to win. Yeah. But the template said, no, she's going to fall and Donald Trump is going to win. The American Jayhu is going to win. And the mystery of this is like, so the mystery of one of things I open up here is this is continued. The mystery of Donald Trump, not only his first time, but his second, right now, what's happening right now is all unfolding. from the mystery, which is what the avatar reveals. This is absolutely amazing because, like you said, at one point here, you said,

it's not about the man. And it's not. Yeah. Like, what you're laying out here is repeatable things happening throughout time because of the ancient gods and the ancient spirit behind it. It's like, that's the manipulation that's happening. And when you see it happen in the natural unfold. It's amazing.

You're saying that because, you know, when I wrote the avatar, I wasn't necessarily you're thinking of these people as in a sense avatars, whether of God, you know, like an instrument of God or have it. But in some way, this goes to it. It's like manifesting. And it's manifesting with exact dates. I mean, that's incredible. Yeah.

And the thing is, let me tell you how like this ancient mystery in the Bible actually determined the elections, the last three elections in this nutshell. And that is that the template of Jayhu is he comes to power. First, he's opposing the king who's on the throne. But then the king is gone and he then comes a woman in the place of the king and then he defeats the woman. Okay, a woman with an anti-biblical agenda. It's not about the people, but it's about an – so look at the template when Donald Trump won. The template was the template of Jayhu.

First he came against Obama before anything. But then Obama is going to replace Obama, and Jayhuis replaces the king. But then he comes against the woman who has an anti-biblical agenda, which was Hillary, Clinton, who becomes the standard bear. But now in 2024, what happened? You have first, you have the template of Jayhu. Trump comes against the sitting king or president Biden. He defeats him. I mean, in that debate, it's the end of Biden's political career, just as Jayhu defeated Joram. But then a woman rises in his place, which is, which was Kamala Harris. Same template. And has an anti-biblical agenda. And so Donald Trump comes against him, template of Jehu, he wins.

Now, in 2016 and 2024, is the template of Jayhu. 2020, 2020, it wasn't. In 2020, Donald Trump is the sitting king. You know, there's no, there's no, this doesn't happen. And so he doesn't prevail. But he so, but he prevails in 2024 because it's the template of Jayhu. So even this ancient mystery is determining what's happening in America. Wow. I mean, it's, I mean, I'm almost speechless with how that all lays out. That's pretty incredible. So with these things, and you're talking about the political side of things, have you looked at maybe the cultural drive of maybe entertainment industry and some of these people? It's all part of it. Is it all part of it? It's all part. You know, in the biblical template,

it's not just political. The House of Ahab, which was taking over culture, was not just taking over, it wasn't just a political thing. It was taking over culture. It was taking over culture. like every part, and we see this, like, I mean, look what's happened. Like, just before this last election, where things were going. I mean, you had this kind of anti-biblical agenda taking over virtually every single institution of America, not just the, not just say, you know, the political realm, but even the army was turned. You know, even the Department of the FBI, the Department of Justice, the school system, the entertainment, the movie industry, the culture, the pop industry, the music industry. on everything, Wall Street, the corporate world, everything.

I mean, virtually, it was amazing. And that's exactly what was happening in the template until Jayhu came. And again, it's not about Jayhu. By the way, Jayhu, we don't even know where he was at with God. You know, he's a man of controversy. We don't know. You know, but we know he was used of God. And the same with Donald Trump.

It's not about Donald Trump. But Jayhu was an instrument of God. And he was used to oppose the House of Ahab to take it apart. Yeah. And so, and by the way, even, this even goes, I mean, when you look up to these, up to this last election, you had Joe Biden, okay? Now, it's going to sound kind of strange, but Joe Biden is actually also part of this ancient mystery. Let me give you a quick thing on that.

And that is, there was a king during this template. Another king, his name was Jehoram. Now, and Jehoram was, he knew about the things of God that he was raised, known about it, but he turned against them. He was apostate. Joe Biden had no, actually originally Joe Biden was against abortion. I mean, you know, on demand. and yet he turned totally. I mean, totally, where literally just a little while ago,

they were arresting pro-life people, grandmothers, and putting them in jail. I mean, crazy. But the thing is that, so Johoram is interesting because at the beginning of his reign, he suffers a disastrous military withdrawal or retreat in the land of Edom, and it weakens his entire reign. Joe Biden, it was called Afghanistan. He, disastrous withdrawal.

Remember that? We can, that was, that was really the end. I mean, it was at the beginning, though. Then another thing happened during Jehoram's reign is you had a problem of border incursion. Foreigners were crossing the borders in the time of Johoram. You know, and it seems like nothing was done. Another thing that happened is during Jehoram's reign, the land of Israel was attacked, was attacked by two. There was an invasion of Israel.

Well, during Biden's, he's the one, there's an invasion of Israel, October 7. In the Bible, the people who invaded Israel, was attacked Israel. Israel where it says the Arabians and the Philistines. The Arabians are, it's another word for Arab. Philistine, you know what the, you know what the word Palestinian means? It literally means the Philistines. Okay. Literally. The word in Arabic for Palestinian is Philistini. So literally you have the same exact invasion and the invasion in Johoram's time happened from the Gaza Strip. You know, the same invasion and they took hostages back to Gaza. This is in the ancient so the American Jehoram

Joe Biden. Not only that, but what happened, there's so much to this, but Jehoram ends up, he ends up kind of trying to compel the people to worship other gods. And, and, you know, Biden was the one who signed the respect for marriage act, which was actually the opposite of what it was

that we, you know, it was to force people and to force pro-life people or Christian organizations to support abortions. But what happened at the end of Jehoram's reign is he gets beset by physically, infirmities. Okay, now think of Joe Biden.

He becomes enfeebled. And we don't even know if Johorim was actually raining or people around him were signing this stuff. We don't know. But same what happens with Joe Biden. And Joe Biden, well, actually, Jehoram, he had, at the end of his reign, he had one son left. Biden had one son.

Jehoram's son was his youngest son. Biden's son was his youngest son, Hunter. With Jehoram, it was his, the name was Ahaziah. Neither of them follow the Lord. You have Azaya, you have Hunter. Now, listen to this, Tony. Ahaziah, in Hebrew, in the Bible, comes from the root word ahas, which means to seize. Okay, to seize. In old German, the word to seize is Henton. Link to the word hunter. Later on. I mean, it's like you can't make this up. I mean, it's, I mean, all right, so how do you view this then? Is it something that's being played out almost prophetically from like these ancient gods just trying to redo what they've done in the past and they're trying to, it's literally done on purpose or is there some kind of like, I don't know, divine nature to this?

It's amazing as you said that. I mean, I would say both because God works through, you know, there's evil, but God works through it all. But interesting that you just said that because on one hand, we're saying, you know, very simple, when you drive out God, the gods are coming back. Well, the gods are coming back. Now we're going to see things on the ground like with people that happened back then when the gods were there. You know, so it's like replaying. It's all part of this thing. I would call it a template or a pattern.

But the thing is that so it's unfolding. And I think one of the things it does, Tony, is that it kind of tells you, kind of clarifies things. Okay, this is really, we're dealing with good and evil. We are really, you know, these are forces. We wore not against flesh and blood. We got to pray for all these people. You know, we war against principalities. but it's affecting everything.

I mean, this is real. You know, people say, okay, well, you were to spiritual warfare. That's kind of great. No, this is affecting every single thing. And the thing is that, but God is also working. Like, you know, the template of Jehu is God working. Again, it's not about Jahu. We don't know where he was at, but he's used.

So think about what did Jahue do and then think about, if you want to see, you want to understand what's happening now, it's amazing. What Jayhu, he was anointed to strike down the house of Ahab. Okay, he was anointed to, so what did Jahou do? When he got to empower, he purges the government. What does Trump do? He purges the government, you know, more than anybody. What did Jehu do?

He dismantled the temple of bail. What, he dismantled it, took it apart. What has Trump been doing? And listen, it's not about, I'm not saying everything he does is, right? We don't know that everything Jayhu did was, okay. But Trump has been dismantling all these things which represent the House of Am. First, one of the first things he does on the day that he gets elected, he says, or that he's in there, he says that from now on, we are recognizing only two genders, male and female. You know, I mean,

it's like rolling it back. And not that Trump is reading the Bible, like reading these things. He's just fulfilling it. He's being used to roll back this thing. And so, and so, by the way, you know, the first mention of J.Hu was to the prophet Elijah, God, when Elijah is saying, there's nobody left, Lord, it's just me. And God says, no, I'm going to raise up people. Anoint this man, Jayhu. And he talks about the sword of Jahu. On the night of of Trump's inauguration, one of the balls, it moves on television, they hand him a sword. And literally, he lifts it up and starts waving it around and dancing with him. What president does that? Well, the sword of Jahu, that that is really the mystery of Donald Trump.

You know, that's what it's, that's what we're in. And that's going to lead to, that's going to lead to the actual avatar. The parallels are unreal. Now, you just had the phrase, the actual avatar. Do you mean the Antichrist? No, no, no, no, although, because I was going to go there. Although, although that's a good point. I mean, the avatar, the Antichrist really is an avatar of the enemy, of the devil. Just like, you know, listen, the Lord, he's the anti of Jesus. So the Lord is the incarnation of God. So, so yes, I mean, that's what the Antichrist, that's the ultimate. And you're right. But so as we get closer to that day of the Antichrist, we're going to see things, shadows of it. And so here's the thing now.

I'm going to, and this is, it's crazy, mind-boggling, but it's real. And that is, and it's not about the person. We got to get on. I'm saying this. I'm making a point. We've got to pray for all the people. You know, we love people. That's it.

But we got to recognize this. And the person doesn't even know they're being used. Could there be an avatar, I mean, outright on the national stage? Well, there is a house. You know, the word avatar comes from Hinduism. The Hindu gods. There is, in the Hindu world, there's a house. a lineage from which avatars, according to Hinduism,

are more to come from this line. It's the house of Brahmin. Well, born to the house of Brahmin was a person named Kamala Harris. So she's born of this house of avatars. In fact, her Hindu line is called, her family's name was Gopolin, which is actually the name of an avatar, okay, of the god Krishna.

The one, you know, and the thing is that she was given the name Kamala. Kamala is the name of a Hindu goddess. Okay, so she's literally bearing the name of a Hindu goddess. Wow. Not just that, but in case someone missed that, her middle name is Devi, which means the goddess. Really?

Her name is Kamala the goddess. And literally, in Hindu writings, they talk about Kamala Devi, Kamala the goddess. So you have that to begin with. Okay. Now, the other thing is that when you look at this, like, when I saw this, like, when you look at the myth of the goddess Kamala, she is born, her birth is linked to the ocean and she rises, linked to the ocean. Well, Kamala Harris is born by the ocean, the San Francisco Bay. Her rise was San Francisco by the ocean. One thing that Kamala, the goddess Kamala does, I got to distinguish it right here, is that. She becomes the number two ruler. In other words, there's a king ruler, which is the god Vishnu,

and she becomes like his number two. Okay. So Kamala Harris, was she ordained for, I mean, but in a dark way to become the number two of the land of America. She becomes the number two leader of the vice president. And the thing is that Vishnu is called, you know, you know how Joe Biden was called Sleepy Joe? Yeah.

vision was called the sleeping god no hey yes yes yes and now there's so much to this there's so much to that i can't you know as best i can't give me a taste of some things in the avatar but the thing is that that also another thing about the the it's camilla debby devi is the name of a goddess who's called you know how camilla harris you know she laughed all the time they called her laughing camilla at the wrong times you know it didn't make she just laughed that well debby she's called the goddess is called the laughing goddess. Wow.

The laughing goddess. Now, let me take this one step further. And that is, there's one day on the Hindu calendar where it's, you know, they worship the goddess Kamala. They have idols. They take it. And on that day, it's called Sharad Pranima. Okay. In, in the early 60s, Sharrad Pranima fell on October 20th, 1964.

Kamala Harris was born on the day of the goddess Kamala. came into the world on the day of the goddess Kamala. Not only that, not only that, but that night of that, which is a full moon, they all around in India, they celebrate the goddess Kamala entering the world under the, under the full moon, and they open up their houses to receive her in. Well, on the night, Kamala Harris was born on at the night, on the night of the entrance of Kamala, the goddess into the world under the full moon. Whoa.

And one more thing about this is that is that, well, is there's one day in the Hindu world where they actually talk about the birth, they celebrate the birthday of the goddess Kamala. And they talk about the birth by the ocean, all that. Kamala Harris, Kamala, the woman Kamala, was born on the birthday of the goddess Kamala. The birthday for all around the world,

when she was born, people were chanting praise to Kamala when she entered into the world. And it's not that she knows it, but what we're talking about, when you talk about the gods, they use whom they will use. And the thing is, you know, in the ancient world, Tony,

when you go into the pagan world, the kings were considered avatars of the gods, the pharaohs. And they did images of the king, and they merged the image of the king with the image of the god or the goddess, you know, well, there actually was an image that appeared just before Kamala Harris

went to the White House for the first time. It was put on the web, and it was actually her own family that put it on. And it was the image of her, Kamala Harris, merged with a Hindu goddess, literally. Literally, the avatar merged. And it shows her at war. And she's riding a lion,

and she's coming against her enemy. But the interesting thing is, she's spearing her enemy who they show as Donald Trump. But that was in 2020, but she wasn't going against Donald. She was the vice president. It was, and she's riding, the lion has the head of Biden on it. And so, so he's supporting her, but that wasn't in 2020.

That was in 2024, but it came out four years before. So was this part of this whole, you know, the plan, you know, of this thing? So that's what we're dealing with. So on one hand, that election, we had an avatar on one hand, and we had a Jayhu on the other. And the thing is, and the thing is that there's one other mystery here. But we go to, which is like kind of like the ultimate mystery here of Trump and of really where we are, which we can, we can kind of seal it. I mean, that's, that's wild. I mean, I think what you just did is paint the picture that there is human interaction here where, you know, people are naming their children.

But there's, there's spiritual forces behind that manipulating people's motives and their agendas. And whether they're aware of it or not, there's a real spiritual war that's happening around us. And it's tangible today. Yes. Yes. I hope people get the book, The Avatar. Where can they get that? Yeah, the Avatar is literally everywhere.

If you go online right now, you'll see the cover. The cover, I don't know. This is video, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, the cover looks like this. So if you see that, then now it's not, don't go for the movie, make sure it says to you. And I think there may be another book that says the avatria, so make sure it's the right one. But if you go online, you'll see it.

You can get it. Even if it's before the release date, you can get it early. They'll send it. But it's literally everywhere. I pray people get it. for yourself. Get it for people in your life who need to wake up to know really what's happening and how real this is, you know, but it's literally everywhere. Yeah. Well, we'll link it in the description of our show so people can just click and go. So I really appreciate joining you.

Thank you. It was a joy to be with you, Tom. Absolutely. Thank you.