The Confessionals - 804: Crossing Realms on Soul Retrieval Missions

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

Patrick and Patti’s story is one of deep entanglement with the supernatural—and an even deeper redemption. Years of shamanic practice, soul retrievals, and spiritual power left them facing darkness masquerading as light. But when every false god failed, they found what they had been searching for all along: the real authority of Jesus Christ. What followed was a radical breaking of covenants, a cleansing of their past, and a surrender that brought true peace for the first time. This conversation isn’t about religion; it’s about the moment deception shatters, and truth finally takes its place.If you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HerePlease pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZTony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICTennessee Rooster - The Light Still Found Me

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Now, today we have a father-daughter duo coming from Canada, very high up into Canada, all the way down here to Knoxville, Tennessee, to be here in studio on the show with me. We have Patty and Patrick, who once practiced shamanic soul retrieval missions together. They come and they share how those experiences led them down dark, spiritual territory, and how encountering Jesus Christ set them free. What unfolds today is a powerful story of redemption, deliverance, and the unseen battle between light and darkness. Let's get to Patty and Patrick right now. So today we have Patrick and Patty in studio.

How are you? We're good. I'm glad you're here. So you guys came down from Canada. In fact, you're the first people here in studio recording with me that come from out of the country. Oh, wow. That's great. It's an honor to have you guys.

Well, thank you for having. That would be really cool. That would be really cool. I would say that the show is still alive and doing well. But you both have been on the show before separately. And you're a father, daughter, duo. Patty, you came on the show first and shared your story. I think it was episode 600 something.

And you came on probably about 50 episodes later, Patrick, and shared your experiences and story. and your stories tend to, well, they definitely do parallel each other, overlap each other because of your history and what you guys have come out of. So before we kind of get into newer stuff, we're going to spend some time recapping and sharing with people, you know, who you guys are and where you come out of, what you come out of and where you come from, outside of Canada, of course. But I don't know who wants to kind of start here, probably Patrick or Patty.

No, you. I mean, it kind of starts with you, Patrick. It starts with me. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. First of all, I'd thank you for inviting us to your studio. Absolutely.

Man, that's amazing. Like, there's so many famous people that have to come in here. I don't think, I don't know, I'm humbled by it, right? And coming into Tennessee from Canada. Beautiful. It's beautiful. The people are beautiful. The hospitality we got here.

It's amazing. so I just get a show to Tennessee. I like that. I like the sound of that. So, okay, we get the ball rolling. So I came on the show, Drew, True Patty's first visit, and she said, oh, my dad, my, you know,

you should talk to my dad. So you picked up on that, and you said, yeah, I'd like talk to your dad. So you invited me down, and I was appreciated it. And I said no first when you invited, me down on our podcast, on our televised podcast. But things changed around, and I was led to come down. So I contacted you, and you were kind enough to invite me.

So when I talked about on the last show, what I did in my past life, I'd call it, previous life, before now, I was a shaman. and I practiced, I had to practice, people would come to me and there would be three different things that I practiced for them. I'd bring them their power animal, I'd do extraction for them, which extracting dark entities from them, and I would soul retrieval, bring soul parts back for them that was lost through trauma or shattered off them through traumatic events. in their life. So there's three aspects of it. So just to recap on the power animal, from my work and from my research and knowing, I feel that the power animal is connected to people

similar to their birth sign. So if you're familiar with the constellations, the birth signs, which horoscopes, everybody's into horoscopes, right? You're born under a certain constellation in the heavens. So when we were, God created us from the earth, he also created the animals from the earth. So we have a connection to animals.

that way. And they're living, breathing, beings. They're not beings, they're creatures. The only being is a human being, but they're creatures, but they have lifeblood, they have breath, they have similar aspects to us.

So I feel that that's why we're connected to some animals. So one is connected to us, basically. In the same way as our astrological sign. So in the heavens, on the earth. So that was through my work and studies and things. It makes sense to me. And I'll give you a little couple of a story about the power animal connection. So when I got married in 1985, I'm going back a long time. I was born. So my wife was obsessed with this

deer hide. She wanted to make a deer hide dress, right? Because we lived in the northern Canada. We had friends. We're in the Aboriginal culture. There was a place in the center there that sold all this fur. And like Hyde. Hyde. And she loved it. So she said, I'm going to make a deer hide dress.

That sounds great. So she was in the process of making this dress. It's kind of like Mother's Day comes around. And I'm in the exhibition center and I'm looking at this print. beautiful wolf print on the wall, but a local artist. And I said, I should get that her, I should get that her for her mother's day gift. And I bring it home. And she said, oh, thanks.

I think you bought this for yourself. So I didn't know at the time, but I did. And so 20 years later. But just pause for a minute. is that dress that she made. Yes. The deer hide was her wedding dress. And she made him a moose hide.

A moose hide outfit. So they got married in that. So that's really big because that's like a covenant in that. So just keep that in the mind. Sure. Yeah. So I got married in moose hide vest and stuff. But I brought her home that wolf print.

And I didn't realize. I liked it. It was really like it. It appealed to me. tracked it to me. And I give it to her. So 20 years later, when we moved down south,

through the rock by the Rocky Mountains, and met the shaman that we went to, the first time I went to a shaman. And this shaman, he was an old-fashioned guy, German guy, right, from Germany. And he was well-known around the world. And people would seek him out, right?

and you know today we got cell phones and all that he had a landline he put his phone on his desk and he took calls at 8.30 in the morning till 11 and that was it on a Monday that was it right so he'd book up his schedule for the month and that was fine you wouldn't get touch you wouldn't reach him anymore so i phone 830 i was sharp you know i said can i make an appointment for you me and my wife we'd like to come down to do it for a visit, for a session. He said, yes. And so we went there,

went into his place, and he journeyed for us to recover our power animals. What do you mean he journeyed? What does that mean? So a journey is an astral traveling

on drum beats, on the drum. So he travels from his out of his body into the spirit realm and retrieves these animals and brings them back to you. Okay. So when he traveled,

when he journeyed for her, he journeyed for both of us at the same time basically, one and after the other, you know? And this is the way he liked to do it. And he said when it was when it was complete and he was doing the recap of what had happened,

he said to her, my wife, he said, I saw you in the field near the trees, you were crying, like crying, bobbing, and the deer was next to you and said, and I was asking you what was wrong. And the deer said, she's okay, I'm looking after her.

And he said, you were about five years old. So that's fine. And he looked at my wife and he said, what happened to you when you were five years old? My wife said, well, my mother died when I was five. And I was emotionally scarred by that upset and cried for a long time. And so he said, oh, that's fine.

He said, so the deer is with you, right? Nurturing you. And the deer is a symbol of nurturing. If you see deer with young, they nurtured them, right? They looked at me. He said, I saw you running with a wolf pack. So he said, you joined your wolf pack again. And he said, you've been away for a little bit, but you're back, right?

And you're happy. I said, oh, okay. And so that's fine. So he gave us the two power animals. But looking back 20 years previous, we had connected to those two animals. So I know there's an orchestration in the spirit realm that does this. But when I started talking about connections that we have with these animals,

I think it's real. And it wasn't for us to be, made known to us. It was made known through the fallen angels that in Genesis 6 that brought this information to women at that time to humankind along with astrology.

In Deuteronomy 18 God said, I don't want you to practice these things that these other nations practice, divination, astrology, that sort of thing. So we know astrology is real because we're not supposed to do it. But now that I practiced what I practiced for so many years, I know these power animals are real and shamanism is real, right? So we're not supposed to practice that either. That's fine.

Another time that I worked with a lady, I journeyed for her, did the session for her, and I came back and I said, do you have the connection with a badger? And do you remember? have seen a badger when you're grown up or anything? She said, yes? When I was a teenager, it was where I lived, it was a badger in the riverbank and had a burrow. I said, oh, that's interesting. So the animals were so off, like ridiculously coincidental. You don't mean like, who has a badger living next to her house, right?

Yeah. Not many people. I've never happened for me. I'm pretty elusive. So I said, okay, I'm great. The other thing I'm going to talk about is the resemblance of people. They resemble animals, the animal that they have sometimes, a lot of times. Because my wife would sit down in their kitchen and say, you call that right?

And I said, what do it mean? Did you be her? Did you look at her? She looks like the animal. And we started noticing this more and more. And so this particular lady, she went on a vacation. And she went to France. She went to Paris for three weeks with her family.

She drove, I think I got into the timing, the coincidence of this now. So she drove from where she was, maybe four hours. parked her vehicle in the park and fly, got on a jet, flew to Europe, went for three weeks, came back, got in her vehicle, going home, and she was on a highway, and there was a little bit of construction,

vehicle traffic slowing down. So she eventually came to a stop behind this line of traffic, and there was a badger came up off the side of the road and ran under her vehicle and ran down on the ditch on the other side. So she told me the story,

when I went to her shop and to her business. And she said, I got something to tell you. Come here. I said, you wouldn't believe what happened to me. I said, try me. So she said that. And I said, oh, wow. How about the timing of all that?

Yeah. Right? Right. So you went to a shaman. You became a shaman. Yes. And with shaman practices, you're going into the astral realm. You're interacting with beings there.

How did Patty get involved with this? Was it something that you were just raised in? Well, I think you started prior into Reiki. Yes. He was actually a Reiki practitioner first. Okay. And then became, and actually he became into Reiki because of one of, the people I used to be with actually.

It kind of came from me and then got him. So he became Reiki and then he became a Reiki master. So he had to train for so many years under a Reiki master. So that was one of his main teachers. And then from there that's when you got into shamanism, right? In the midst of that. In the midst of that, yeah. So I was doing Reiki with them too.

Because even prior to that, I was teaching yoga. My main thing was yoga. Yeah, because you went to India to study it. Yeah, I taught yoga for almost 20 years and did all of my training in India. I was initiated and with Vishnu, Vishnu mantras. Anyway, so that was my kind of modality was yoga. But then with my mom and dad, since I'm so close to them, they were practicing Reiki. So I would join him with them with Reiki practice.

He taught me how to do it. So then I was kind of like melding yoga with Reiki kind of a weird thing. And then with the shamanism, I was already in there because when him and my mom would have people come to their house to do sessions, like they were always fully booked. Like there were never any free time, but they were always booked. So they would always say, Patty, could you come help? Because oddly, I think I had a gift of vision. So I could close my eyes and see a movie. So as he would journey, he needed a drum to go for the shamanism.

You have to have a certain kind of hurts or something to get into a trance. I actually didn't need that. I could just close my eyes and see a whole movie. Really? Yeah. So, okay. I don't want to interrupt what I'm going to. So in order to get to the same place, essentially, there's different ways to going about it.

Is that through choice or is that through just the individual? person's ability. Like, would you have been able to even do that? Just close your eyes and go, or you needed the drum. I needed the drum. And the weird thing is my mom, she never got to, she never had any vision. She could sense people's emotion. Like she could feel the emotional body, right? Yeah. Because she was like, I don't have that gift. I think each of us are gifted something at birth. When the enemy, I think, can use it. Maybe we'll go more into that when we talk about how he became saved. But, yeah, so that's how I kind of got with you.

Yeah, that's how you became. Because even shamans and other places, they need to be with drugs. Yes. Or like some sort of drug. But he was taught in shamanism. What is it, Michael Harner? Yeah, I was taught to use it, to travel in the realms without any hallucinogens. Yeah, it's with the drumbeat.

It gets you in that same trance. Yeah. So I kind of guided her into my world, but she was already there. She had vision. She could see. And when she was a child, I remember when she was very, very little, I had a cassette tape. And I always remember this cassette tape. Somebody gave me from some church.

And it was hymns on it, songs. And she would say, that's God's tape. but she didn't even know what was on the tape. Cassette tape, right? And probably your audience don't even know what a cassette tape is anymore. There's a chunk from there probably not, you know? So she knew what was on the tape. Nobody had to tell her.

And I kind of think that you had an imaginary friend when you were a little. Yeah, kind of, yeah, probably. And she said, well, I'm not Patty, I'm Christine. Or Chrissy. Chrissy. Yeah, I don't. So probably was your acting background picking up. But I noticed it when she was little, and when she got older, she told me that she could see spirits.

I mean, go into a hospital waiting room and see spirits sitting next someone. You know, like, I don't see that. But she has that gift that was given her somehow. I don't know. But now it's being used for delight. to the darkness. But go back to shamanism for a minute. You went to the power animals and then you did the soul retrieval and extraction.

Extraction. So I did a workshop, several workshops actually, and it was called Death and Dying. And the workshop was called Death and Dying? Yes. Oh boy. Or dying and beyond to one or the other. And we were trained to assist trapped souls in this world that couldn't cross over. So we were trained to go and assist them.

Maybe just give a recap on the three different worlds. Do you want me to do it for you? Yes. This is the good thing about a father and daughter. Yeah. Yeah. So he said to me last night, well, we did this also when we would journey, but there's the three worlds. So there's an underworld, which is like where the animals are, the power animals are, and like nature.

And then there's the middle world, which is like this, but the unseen. And this is this like kind of gnarly world, really. Yeah. And like this is where we go. and get people who are trapped in trauma. But remember his teachers would always say, be careful in the middle world. Yes.

Because the darkness lurks in the middle world. I have so many thoughts on my head right now. And then the third world is the upper world. And that's where the angels are and the healings are. God is. Heavens. So he would bring people, like their trauma portions he would find in the middle world. Like I wouldn't really do that kind of stuff.

I would be there in the room with him, but he would be the one retrieving souls and mainly extraction. So he would get the souls. It's almost like he would take them and put them in this little bag, like an actual literal bag. And then when he would get the pieces of the soul in the spirit world, he'd bring them to the upper world, the spirit, and say, Lord, you know, or God or whatever you would say, heal this person. and give her, give them a healing. And then he would come back to the actual literal room with the soul part and blow it in their chest. Wow. So yeah, it was like three different worlds, but everyone, not just the shaman teachers, but my are also friend who's a shaman, a kree shaman that we would always be with, he would always see like the happy hunting ground.

Yeah. And like that is the middle earth, middle world. He's like, be careful in the middle world. So we're going to stall out for a second and we're going to dissect this a little bit, okay? Because I think it's important to do this. I know we're doing recap, but there's a lot of people who haven't heard your stories before. And I think it's important. So you do the three worlds, the underworld, the middle world, and the upper world.

I have been hitting on this recently in the last year or so in my own verbiage. And I'm still trying to understand and define things. but I started settling in on first heaven, second heaven, third heavens. Paul talks about the third heaven in the Bible. And from there we kind of draw different conclusions. But my thought has been up to this point, and it kind of lines up with what you're saying, when I say the second heaven, that's where the warfare is happening. That's where the dark playground is.

And that's where I feel like people are being pulled during their quote-unquote abduction experiences. and the manipulation and toying around with the human soul happens. Like you kind of referenced, it just, that's where the bad stuff's happening, that's the middle world. And you're saying that you would go and retrieve a soul or a soul fragment and put it in a sling like a bag and you would bring it here. So you're talking about literally going some. somewhere else and retrieving something and bringing it back to this realm.

Yes. And see, this is, this is, this is just confirmation for, for me, really, because these are things that I talk about and I said in the other room we were talking, like, I'm not an expert in this stuff, but I talk to a lot of people and you start drawing conclusions on things, right? And so for me, it's confirming just to hear that breakdown the way you just did it for sure. So, real quick, to interject, episode 747, a Hatman, the Soul Hunter. Chad talks about how Hatman would go around and take souls from kids and people

and put them in a bag and take them with him. Exactly the same way it's depicted that you guys are talking about. That's wild. I forgot all about that. Good call. He produces all the show. He knows at all. As I'm holding a conversation and just in the moment,

he's sitting there in the studio producing and he's dissecting everything that's being said. So good call. And it's interesting. I just want to add one more thing because so say if someone, they're coming and they say, I want to know my power animal. Okay. And I also, and then so dad would, so he'll journey, the person's laying on this table. He'll go in the underground, underworld to get the animal.

Actually, the lower world. The lower world. We'll call it the lower. Yeah. Sorry. That's a better. The lower world. Yeah.

So he would. go to get the animal, you have to go to the lower world. That's where the animals are. That's interesting because Cerberus is a Greek, I guess, God, three-headed dog creature, which is the guardian of the underworld. Yeah. It might be a different world. I think it's a different layer of that dimension. Yeah, it is. Yeah. It's deeper, deeper, deeper layers. So when you go into each dimension, say the lower world, there's another. There's another level. You're in a dimension similar to this, outside world we're living in.

So we can go any place in this world and see a lake or a cave or something like that. So it's similar there. You can go deeper. Yeah, there's another world even under it because even shamans will even have maps of worlds. Because like when we would journey, I mean, he had more depth of it. But when I would go on journeys with him, it would be like I'm going to the same place over and over. Like, it's like there's a, I could draw you a map of the world I see. So you guys would go on journeys together where you do this together.

Like you're in another realm together. Yes. And you're there seeing each other. But we know, I wouldn't see him necessarily, but I can sense that he's there. Wow. Yeah. She'd see the same thing, guys. Because we would have to like enter through like a hole in the ground.

But his hole in the ground was different place entry to get into these worlds. And mine was a different place. Okay. So how much does this look like? I mean, the way you're describing it in my brain, you're talking like underworld, lower world. And you're saying going into the ground, is it like you're traveling through cave systems? similar. But down more.

You can use a cave system. But the way I was trained was you needed the opening in the earth, an actual physical opening that exists here in this realm. So it could be a cave, it could be a lake, it could be a hole in the ground. And when we get in talking about the Hopi land, we'll talk about Kivas and things like that. they do their rituals, do their practices in the kivas, which are under the earth, right?

And I kind of thought that was interesting when I went there. Going back to the lower world, that's where you get the power animals. The middle world is where someone was, even if the person didn't say anything, like I was traumatized or something, he could just see it in the vision or the journey,

oh, this person needs to be extracted. from the trauma. So he could go to like say someone's house and say oh this person has had this happen traumatic event and say if that person was a child

and only he said sometimes it would only come when it was the right opportunity or right timing for that soul piece to come back right? Yeah see what happens is the things are left in the so we talk about time travel

So we're talking We see a lot about time travel With the government And Ships coming out I heard that's a conspiracy theory That's not real I will get into English swan

Things like that too right But CIA stuff And But time travel is basically what it is And So shaman's can tell you what's on the moon Right

You know And So you were traveling in time in that dimension to the place in the middle world. In the middle world where this trauma took place at the time and event, the place, the location. He can describe everything in the location, what's there.

And he hasn't been there. But it's so connected to the dark realm. Because the dark realm knows everything about us. everything we did, everything we ever did. In the past, yeah. And there's a light realm, the realm of light, also knows this, everything about us. So we have two different things happening at the same time.

So when a shaman is accessing it, he's accessing it through the dark realm. Maybe unknowingly, for a lot of them. Right. I'm sure there are dark shamans, but. So, okay, please continue your thought here, but what you just said here, so you're saying that you're acknowledging that there is, there are shamans who are practicing who are not believing they're doing anything dark or nefarious. Right. Yeah, okay. I think it's important to clarify.

Yeah. Because all of us, yeah, that's, thank you for that. Because like all of us, we, we did not think we were doing anything dark. No. We thought we were doing, ultimately God's work. you know, ultimate deception. Like if someone was assaulted 25 years ago, and now they're 50 years old,

so that's 25 years they've traveled in the future, right, living their life. But that assault still happened. So what I would do, would see what happened when I journeyed for them. Because they're stuck there. And I'd see the soul traumatized with that event 25 years ago. So I'm actually traveling in time 25 years ago. It's in a different dimension of this world, time dimension.

And I can actually go back and retrieve that 25-year-old person, a fragment of their soul that happened. Let's say they were molested, sexually assaulted, molested, traumatized, it's stuck. What happens to the soul is it wants to free itself from the situation that's happening. Disassociation. And that's what psychology says today of disassociation. But we know that's real, but on a deeper spiritual level, it's actually the spirit that's a part of your soul that's broken off of your self and gone and trapped in that room. So I wouldn't see them as fragments so much. I would see them as the complete soul.

But let's say a mirror image of your soul. But it's a piece that should be put back into the soul. It's like a puzzle piece. It's like missing. But it looked like the person, you know what I mean? It was that person, but it's actually like a fragment, soul fragment. So I would bring that, like you said and talked about the bag. Well, I had a bag from Peru, native shalma bag.

It's a beautiful magical bag. So I bring you back in that and reintegrate them. Okay. So I'm taking my opportunity to ask questions because it's not often I get to sit across the table from people who have had such intimate experiences and knowledge of this stuff. a soul fragment, I've heard this before, you know, you hear about MK Ultra, the Lernerner, learning it from Satanic Colts and all this stuff. The way you're laying the stuff out, you're doing it in such a logistical way that it's actually helping me think about it and also brings up a question.

So a soul fragment is a piece of a soul that's stuck in time at the time of the abuse. Yes. And it's basically if you have an arm that has a disease on, the arm got cut off so the rest of the body couldn't get sick as well. So that's the way I'm looking at it. And so the fragment is the piece that was abused, stuck there, and you were going, retrieving that and bringing it to the rest of the body of the soul so that it was whole. Yes.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. And what happens is it wants to be protected. It wants to be safe, feel safe. so it disassociates itself from the actual soul, the whole soul. And it kind of like, it thinks it's a complete soul, but it's not, it's just a fragment that's gone. And it stays there because it doesn't realize the event is over.

It's just sitting there and stays. And now 25 years, time elapsed. but that's still sitting there. It thinks 10 minutes has gone by, you know. So that's the way it works in time travel. And I can see, because the way we're talking about this and we're sharing, I can see how shamans are doing these things and they're like, I'm helping people.

Yes. You know? Sure. Because what you're just saying is what you were doing, it wasn't fake. This is stuff that you were actually. I think so many people that aren't involved in this stuff, they think, oh that's not even real you know it's imaginary or the shaman is just a hoax or just collecting money or something like that you know that's true um but what you're saying is that this is actually happening

is it's actually happening it happens to people and as a shaman you believed you were helping people by retrieving soul fragments and i and i think this is not the time for for it right now in the conversation but at some point i would like to circle around back around to this to um at where you guys are today with your faith and how you view that whole situation. Because it's not like you're saying soul fragments don't exist now. But there is maybe, because you mentioned earlier about, I've made a note here, yeah, hijacking natural gifts is what I wrote down because there's natural gifts that people have that the enemy sees and it hijacks and gets them to start using it for,

in means that God never intended. I think there's probably room for conversation as to the soul fragments and the damage that has truly done and how people can actually truly express or experience healing in the right way. But I don't want to jump the gun either. So I'll let it kind of evolve from here. I don't know if I just hijacked the conversation. I just had something to add to that because when you're saying maybe people are skeptical, which I agree. I would have been, I am skeptical of a lot of things. But it's hard to be skeptical when, like, they never told Dad that that happened to them. So then he would come back and be like, he would blow the soul part back into this person. And then afterwards, we'd have like a full on hour kind of debrief because we don't want to leave this person kind of alone or, you know, kind of processing. So we'd sit down and talk and he would say, this is what I saw. What is what I did? And they'd be like,

Like, how did you know that? So, and that was 99% of the time. It was very accurate. And all the stuff that I would see too along with it and my mom would feel. So it was real. Like it wasn't like, so these things are real. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think it's also one thing that I wanted to just maybe emphasize too before we go away and further. This was not just you two, but it was also your wife and your mother. this was a family practice. This is something that the family did together. Like other families go to church together. Yes. That was our church, really.

And I know that we'll talk about this later, but just to kind of dovetail and wrap that kind of up. I said to dad last night, like, I know that we did all that kind of stuff, and it did help people. I know that. And I think we've repented for that, what we've done to people.

So I do think that those people that we worked on, A lot of them are actually saved now. A lot of them are actually Christian, a good portion of them. But we've prayed for each person, even all the groups of people, because we've probably done it. We've done hundreds of people, like worked on hundreds of people. I do think that those people are set free because we asked God to clear that way for them. Even if they don't know the truth yet, we pray that they will. So we've repented for that, and I think we're forgiven for that.

Sure, yeah. I absolutely agree with that. And I think as humans, it's the hardest thing is to forgive ourselves sometimes. And you struggle with guilt. But I think it's, and for myself, we were talking about just some of the missteps that I feel like I've done with the show over the years. You kind of, that weighs on you. But I do believe there is a sea of forgetfulness. that God utilizes on a daily basis.

Yeah. And also maybe he did that to prepare us for what we're doing now in his kingdom. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And I will say this too, to piggyback on that, when I was sitting over there and we were talking, I just really felt strong that God is raising up people who walked in the dark side. Yes. who've been there and they're going to be very useful tools in the army moving forward because they know the truth and especially here in the West we've been so separated from the understanding that we have a supernatural existence but those who walked on the dark side and now are walking with Christ can be testimonies and testify to the fact that this is very real and and I think think your testimony can really truly save people way more than any kind of soul retrievals

you ever did. Oh, yeah. Can I just expand on that? I had a young man come to me recently, maybe a year ago. I'm not sure how long ago, you'll know. But he was going through a dark time in his life. and like 26 or 27 years old

and he's doing a lot of drugs drinking stuff like that and relationship issues and I was asked to talk to him and so I went and had a coffee

and got a coffee and met him at the beach at the river and we sat at a picnic table and I told him my testimony and before I quit

drinking and drugs and everything I did, in the episode we did before, I spoke about it, right? I told him my testimony and I was helping, I hoped it would help him, right? Stop, give up what he was doing. And embrace

the gift that we were given. by the blood. And I, after it was a nice sunny day. And it was, after I spoke, and I needed to go get some water from my car. So it was about 100 yards away. And there was some bathrooms about this way, about 100 yards away.

So I said, I got to go to the car, get some water. And he went to go to the bathroom. So when I walked, watched him get up and walk over to the bathroom, he pulled out his cell phone. I said, well, I don't think I never got through to him. You know, I came back, both of us came back the same time, sat at the table.

He just broke down a little bit. And I said, well, you come up to my house. Now I'll pray with you. My wife will pray with you two of us together. All the way to my house, he said he was crying. And when he got in the house, I didn't know any of this. He told me later. When he got in the house, we prayed over him.

He accepted the blood and sacrifice that saves us. And he told me, he said, when you were giving you your testimony to me at the picnic table, I was sitting across me you, behind you, there was a bright light that actually came into my chest. And he said, I just felt warm all over and I was filling me up. So our testimony is so powerful, important, when we give someone our testimony that this blood of Christ can save you. No doubt about it. And that young man is still free of his addictions today. Yes, and he just had a baby, and he's the best he's ever been.

And it says in Revelation that you're saved by the blood of Christ and by your testimony. Yes. think of it this way so um we can get back on on yeah yeah but yeah um you as a practicing shaman and would patty would you call yourself a shaman i know you're walking realms with what you guys were doing so you you were retrieving souls um soul fragments and what you were doing and uh how you you in the moment believed you were helping the thing is what you were doing in that moment was only able to be done by you and your willpower, it wasn't something that could have a ripple effect. The person that you thought you were helping, that you did help, it's not

like they could go and do what you did to help them. However, you sharing your testimony, people coming to Christ, that has ripple effects because now that person can go and do the same. And all of a sudden, that's a good point. From speaking to one person, and that person speaks to two people, those two people, and it just multiplies. And so that's the beautiful thing about this, is it's not relying on you. And what you do for a hundred people is what you do for one person through Christ. And then Christ works through that person and the next person and just spreads like wildfire.

You know, it takes it away from us. It takes it out of our hands. It's not something that we do. We're just being a vessel and letting the Holy Spirit work through us. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. So I know we just kind of like went sideways a little. it, but that's okay.

So happens with me. The extraction stuff. Yes. So I worked on a lady in Mexico. That was one of people that were in the retreat. I used to teach retreats in Mexico.

And it was one of the people in her retreat and she was all, came to me several times and asked me if I could help her. She had this condition that for 25 years, she was going back and forth to doctors and they couldn't help her. And I said, well, we'll see. I'm doing a session tomorrow, so you come and sit in and we'll have a look.

And so I did extraction on her. And Patty can attest to it. Like extraction is you're basically taking things from the body. that doesn't belong in it. And it looks like that. It looks like that. Because I used to do it too eventually. Yeah.

Yeah, it was different. But like even when I would work on people, like I used to do Reiki at my house primarily. But it would kind of be paired with shamanism because of journey. But it does look like that. It looks like you're clawing stuff out. Yeah. And like throwing it down around. Wow.

Okay. So it could be just like a general extraction. But then it could be like easy. So if you can see in the spirit, if you can see in the spirit, there'll be blackness and things like that in the spirit, in the person's spirit. So you'll take it out. I couldn't necessarily see in the spirit that well by doing this extraction work. But I'd do it anyway because I knew there was something there. And she came to me later, just right at that camp, that retreat, the next day, and said, it's gone.

I'm healed from what was wrong with me. It's something to do with her digestive something that doctors couldn't help her with. So when things happen like that, see, you think you're doing good work. Good work, right? I don't know where this thing came from that was in her. You know what I mean?

Her background, Hindu background, maybe. I don't know. but it left it's gone and so that's a ploy by the enemy we were talking earlier before the thing started the show started and

the enemy is so adept that using our methods of healing in the new age that he can convince us that yeah it's good it's good

just keep doing what you're doing and bring more people. And looking back now in my life, I think God had his hand there on what I was doing because he brought many, many people out of that through me and Patty and my wife and that sort of thing. So it's not like he was leaving us alone. His hand was in the mix because I, I think he knows everything. He knows out in the future. He knows what's going to happen.

So he'll use people to do his work, even after the new age, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Because even after that, so it was like Reiki shamanism, I was doing yoga, you were coming of retreats with me. And then we got really heavy into the Cree culture. Okay. And it was me first.

through drumming. And I would invite some of these people who do creed drumming, like powwow drumming, to my yoga events. And I would have them full on do a powwow as we practiced. So like now you think about it, you have so many different modalities altogether. Like these are different, now that I know what I know, there are different big spirits with each other now. Principalities.

Principalities. So then after that, I started to go to sweats on the. reserve and they became my other family. What is a sweat? A sweat is like, it's a lodge. It's like made out of like willows. They make them and it represents the willows as kind of like a little tent. Covered in hides.

Yeah, covered in hide or big blankets. And it represents going into the mother's womb. Earth's mother. Yeah. And so you go in there and then they have, they put all the rocks and the fire outside. grandfather fire and put all the grandfather rocks in their name they heat them for many hours and they pray over it and give it tobacco and and the man it's a big ceremony and the man that we were while I was really close to then I introduced my dad to him um he was a kree shaman and uh so you go

inside the sweat and then they bring all the rocks in so they have a place where you could put and then they put water on it. So they close the lodge. And I mean, think about the most intense heat you've ever. And it's black. And it's black out. Like it's really dark in there. So you're in, you're basically going to be reborn.

So you're. So familiar? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. And then you sing in there.

Sing, Kree. So you're doing as a ceremony. You're singing to the spirits. Okay. And, you know. now I'm a wow

Anyway I love this man So I just pray that he is saved So I love his whole family Anyway I would sweat almost weekly For four years And then I also did a fast with him And maybe And not even many

Crete people even do fasts But he said Patty I said I'm ready for a fast And so fast as you don't eat Or drink for four days You do a 50 rock sweat I mean that's in It's insane. It's insane.

Yeah. Like, crazy. So I was very, very, very sick the first night. And it was just me and this elderly lady in it. You have to go in there. They sing for us. We sweat. And then he leaves.

He says, do not open this tent or this lodge until I come get you in the morning. Because I think I told you on the last episode, like, There's like a, like a dark time. There's demons outside, basically. But he said spirits. Yes. So anyway, I think it was the first night. Maybe I was so sick.

I was like really sick, like vomiting. And around 3.30 in the morning he came or something like that time. We don't have any access to him. He's, his house is just right there, like just near. They all came to the door of the lodge and opened it. And they knew, I couldn't even. sit up. He came in. I knew you were sick, Patty. He comes in with three other people, three other people with drums, and they start drumming for me. And so I think I said this in the last episode.

He said, you got to sit up, Patty, and they start praying over me, drumming over me. And so there's a demon outside this lodge waiting for your soul. Get up now. And I was like, okay, I got to just get up. And I was so weak because you don't drink any water. And you just sit on this big sweat. So you're severely dehydrated. You're supposed to go for four days. I only lasted two and a half days. But after that, I felt very changed. I was very bright. But then things start getting gnarly. That's when it amped up. What amped up? The spiritual attacks. And like, we would just smudge all the time with, you know, sage and sweetgrass, but it just got worse and worse, worse, more some worse and worse.

It was good for a little bit, portion. And then demons would be fully in my room. They would be touching me at night. Like, it got physical. Yeah. So what is the extent of the acknowledgement on both your ends when it comes to demons? So I can only speak from my perspective. I was raised in a Christian home.

I walked away from my faith in my mid-20s for a little bit, and since obviously I've come back. But my understanding of demons has always been, it's like ingrained in me, demons are a thing, you know. But as somebody who's practicing shamanism and what you were doing, I don't even know what to say what you were doing. You were like a hybrid. But you bring it up the demons,

and then how the shaman even said, demons outside. So you guys were aware that there were dark demonic entities to be feared, but that didn't stop you guys from doing what you were doing. No, because in the New Age world, like, if you, it's on you. You have to smudge more. You have to do this more. You have to clean your house more. You have to protect yourself more. You have to pray more. It's work. It's work, all by work. And even with that Kree shaman, I introduced my dad to him. And that actually became his main teacher. And then so he started learning from, remember he had a German shaman?

Then he had another German shaman. Hungary lady from Hungary. So we had two shaman teachers and then I introduced him to the Kree. And it almost seemed like, I think we can kind of relate here, that once the Kree shaman once the shaman was introduced, it took it to a, it almost, but like, that was a bigger principle. Yeah, that's why there's so much interaction with dog man and Sasquatch and all those entities. So they're on a different level. Just talking about the sweat, so I'll go into the sweat because you just spoke about it.

And I removed viewing, and we mentioned earlier. So I was in a sweat with him, that Cree Shaman. A young kid had wandered away from his home in the winter. He was telling his 20s. He was in his 20s. Okay, 18, 20? That's a young kid to me. So he wandered away from his home, and I think he was mentally challenged maybe in the wintertime.

And he was native. And he was native, Creek. And he wasn't wearing warm clothes, right? And it was cold. Like up there in northern Canada, it's like minus 30, right? and so he wandered away and before anybody knew he was gone nobody knew where he went

and they couldn't find him. So there was a search out for him for a while and they never found him. So the shaman, when we started to swear at Lodge and closed the door, total blackness and I was used to traveling

with an eagle spirit and would show me things. So I asked the Eagles, prior to the sweat starting, he said, this young man is lost, and if anybody can see anything in the sweat or gets told the word in the sweat or something like that,

can you tell me after? So I specifically made the intention to go find this person. And as a sweat started, it, I traveled with the eagle. I was over the land and I could see where the young man was. And he was in a little gully that came down to the river. And he had sat, sat himself up by a tree and propped himself up and he'd cover himself up with brush, right? Maybe to keep warm, I don't know. But he froze to death. There, he died there. And I, when the sweat was over, and they gave me a location, right?

They said like 4.4 kilometers south-southeast, you know. I think there was a beaver spirit there too, helping on the ground, right, to show me where it was at. They showed me that whole scene. And when it was over, I told the shaman, after the sweat was over, I said, yeah, I think I know where he is. and you have to go in this direction for this amount of kilometers, right? Maybe two miles from his home. He wandered down to the riverbank and he froze down by the riverbank. And so when I was coming out of what I did,

I had to go back to this Kree Shaman and have an interview with him, a meeting, and break ties with him, right? and say I'm not following this world anymore. When I became a Christian. When I became a Christian. So I went back to him. And he said, you can't leave this. You got a powerful gift.

You remember that time you were in the sweat with me and you told me about that young man that was lost and frozen to death? He said, we found him where you said he was. And he said, the only caveat to that was the direction was opposite. On the GPS. I said south-south west, but it was actually the other direction.

And he said, the other direction, that's south-south-west didn't make sense to us at the time. So we went the other direction and found him right away. And he was sitting in the same position and exactly the way he said he was. So when I talk about remote viewing, it's, Shalman's been doing remote viewing for thousands of years. And the CIA has caught up to it in the 50s and 60s. I'm glad you said that way. They're like, they're like, hey, let's share with the world. It's like, they, oh, what's this new thing that we just discovered?

Right. It's been around a long time. So they've been spying on the Russians and, like, after Cold War. They wanted. Maybe even tell them what the... Someone said to you about, like, you're going to pass the Samaritan. Did you just make sure you were speaking in the advice, too? Like the Good Samaritan?

Oh, yes, yeah. He said to me in that meeting, um, I had gone the first. Florida, and I came back on a brought him a gift, like a baseball hat, you and stuff like that. And he said, it was cordial, you know. And he said, you know, and then it got, he kind of

turned a little bit from being cordial when I said I wasn't going to follow that world anymore. He said, you know what? You're like that guy in the scriptures, in the Bible. That guy to pass the hurt fellow on the road, you know,

and the good Samarri story. You just walk by him and don't want to help anybody, right? He said, you got a powerful gift. You should be helping people. We said, that's what you're going to be now, the person that just walked by. Yeah, that's what you're going to be now, right? You know, he's walked by people, right? And I looked at him straight and I said, you're not saying that to me. The spirit is in you. Because I wrote that exact scripture on my grandson's birthday card yesterday. Luke 10. Wow. Yeah, Luke 10. I said, yeah, you're, my grandson, I said, I said,

You were just like, good Samaritan. You love everyone, blah, blah, blah. You help. Wow. And his countenance changed right away. The spirit knew I exposed it. Yeah. It knew what you wrote.

Yeah. And I exposed the spirit in him. And he reverted back to his cordial. Self again. Wow. So what you just laid out, and I want you to, because I look like you were about to say something. No, no.

Okay. But you really kind of lay. out the legalistic side of things too. And I'd like to just make sure I'm comprehending this correctly. When you had your moment where you came to Christ, you had to go back and break off ties. Is that something that you felt? I felt that. You felt you needed to do it? Yeah. What was your concern about not doing the breaking off properly?

It would just leave loose sins. You know, I thought in my mind, we leave loose ends and I'd walk away from someone. Yeah. That was training you and you were working with. And he taught, and value you as a friend, that kind of thing. So, you know. You just wanted to let him know where you stood on this. Yeah, that's right.

I got you. Yeah. Yeah. And the weird thing is I had that, I didn't say that to that teacher because I think felt like dad took care of that one. But I had a main yoga teacher who was very. she was in my wedding and sang and initiate us and everything. Anyway, I love this teacher very dearly, but when I became a Christian, I also told her, I said, I can't practice this anymore.

I'm a Christian. I sent her a Bible. And she loved it, though. She accepted it. But there was something inside me, too, that was like, the Lord was like, you have to also break ties with her and tell her. And this is where soul ties come in, in deliverance ministry and stuff like that. So, break and soul ties is important. What I wanted to talk about was we talked about extraction a bit.

Soul journeying, the Death and Dying Workshop that I did. I did several. I did two. Are you talking about the silver cord? Yes. I have it written here. And the silver cord is so big in the New Age. It comes up a lot, right?

And so it is actually a thing. It's real. And when I did this workshop with the Hungarian shaman that I had, she was amazing. Like she worked closely with the people in California. And she was, she knew she taught me a lot, right? So she was great at teaching. She was a teacher.

So she told us that, well, I want to. you the journey to the place you're going to go after you die. So I know, okay. It's creepy and scary. But we were so experienced that we knew what she was talking about, you know, basically, right? But this is something new now. So I started the journey and she told us before we started, before the drum started, the drumbeat started, before she started drumming. before she started drumming, she said,

and when you get to where you go, you'll find that you won't be able to go any further. There'll be a tugging on you. It'll be tugging you back, right? Oh, okay. So when I started the journey, when you have like 15 minutes to do this? So it's kind of like pressure, right?

Is that, like, rules of engagement or is that, like, you can't? That's the length of the session. Like, naturally. Yeah, naturally. Okay. So they drum for 15 minutes for you. Gotcha. And you do what you do.

So I immediately, I started to go up and used the screws tree that I needed to go up on to travel with. And then you need to find something in this realm, in this middle world, physical world, middle reality, the real reality, not the middle world, but to go up. It could be a church steeple. It could be anything,

you know. Some shamas use smoke. They go into a chimney and go up. And ladders, that sort of thing. And so I use a tree. So I immediately, I started hurrying up this tree

and going into the upper realm. This is my soul traveling now I'm talking about. My body is on the table, on the floor, laying on the floor. My soul is traveling into this upper realm. And I come to familiar places. I come to the first level. Patty talked about the happy hunting grounds, similar.

But it's the first level in this realm, the upper realm. And I call it the Pacific Northwest. and it was like a beach area, sea, ocean, longhouse, native longhouses. Pacific North was natives. I needed to go higher. I knew that. I'm familiar with this place. I need to go more.

So I got on the roof of this long house and I can feel this today. When I pushed off from the house, I felt a cedar shake or something fall off, right? So this realm is so real you can feel things, you can smell things. tastings there. And I went higher. And I came to a stairway, marble stairway, and it was like a temple, a Greek-style temple with a stairway going up around the side of the temple like this. But on stairway going down, and this cloud cover all around this, on the stairway going down, I met a person coming up. And he was probably 30 years. years old,

dressed in Greek-style clothing. And so, and he looked at me and he said, oh, you're back. And I said, what do you mean? I'm back. So when I said that telepathically, he realized, oh, he's not back. I got to get out of here. So he turned around and walked back down the stairs. He went up around the side of the other stairway, it's a spiral staircase up around the temple.

And I sat down on a marble bench, waiting for him to come back. And I thought he would know where am I supposed to go after I'm die? He didn't come back. So I didn't wait. I went up. And this is a, I'll get back to that in a minute. This, I went up, I left the bench I was sitting on.

And I jumped up again. And I wanted to go higher as I could. And eventually, I was in a higher realm. I could see cloud, but it was different. It wasn't space. And off to my left, but I felt the tugging. I felt the tugging on myself to my soul. I felt the cord.

off to my left I looked and I saw a golden city bright beautiful and I got the impression I saw I saw the dome there's dome in there golden dome I don't know if I saw my physical eyes or my spiritual I intentionally knew there was a dome type building there and I couldn't go further. I couldn't get closer to it because I was being tugged on, brought back. When I came back and I related that experience, I thought about it years later, it's the Golden City, it's heaven, right? And there's architecture that we have, the dome architecture and churches and buildings, government buildings, everywhere. I kind of think, okay, someone has gone there and seen that.

Brought that back here, you know. But that person on the steps, I don't know if it was a psychic or... I intuitively, I was being told that that person was my son. And his name was Andrew. And when I was younger, I was a teenager. I had a girlfriend, got her pregnant. Her parents were totally against all this because she was going to university. Just getting started out, right?

She had an abortion. See, this is what I was being told. Oh, this is my done born son that, yeah, he was waiting for you. You know what I mean? So they can manipulate the situations that you're going to. going into, and you don't even know if it's real or not, because they know all your life. These spirits, they, when I say they, dark spirits, they know everything about you. They knew that, and then they imprinted that into my mind, so I would believe it.

So today, how do you view that situation? Do you feel like that's what, that's who you encountered? No, that was a demonic spirit. So if anybody, if a woman goes through that experience, that soul is immediately in that golden place. That's right. So your encounter was not within the heavenly. No.

It was outside. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Isn't it? Yeah. You know, there was a pastor, I'm not sure if he was a pastor, Howard, oh, he passed away in 2019, I think it was, but he had a unique ministry.

He was somebody that when I first discovered him, I was like, man, I would love to talk to this guy. But he was just too, he was too far in age to even consider even going remotely on the computer. I don't know if he had a computer. He was in his 90s, I think. but he talks about being translated. He had a ministry and several people in his ministry. Supernatural was a very common thing. And he had what would be perceived as a dream one night

where he was walking the streets of Rome and he wound up going down a spiral staircase. I remember him. You remember him? Yeah. The angel underneath Rome? Yes. Yes.

Yes. and it was confirmed by other people as well. Hearing you tell that story, even though it's not the same, it just reminded me of that. I don't know exactly why. I know he talks about the silver court as well. Does he? Yeah, yeah.

I think he had another experience where he was actually taken out of body and shown things by God. And I think that the silver cord was somewhere tied. And I might be misconstruing people's stories and stuff. I hear a lot of them. Oh, yeah. But it's his story, his life, and what you're sharing, it really paints the picture of the reality of the supernatural.

Yeah. And how that is operating around us. You having that experience and the shamanism, you had, I don't know at what point did, because I know, like, we're laying the groundwork for, things to come in this conversation. Yeah. Like, at what point did you, I guess, yeah, I think this is what I want to do. I want you to share with people how you came to become a Christian.

Okay. Because that, I think, is how we can actually transition into other parts of our conversation. But I think it's important for people to understand and hear that because that actually lays into how you became a Christian too, Patty. So, I mean, what was that whole scenario for you that you kind of had to then go to the Kree shaman and say, hey, I'm no longer, I'm cutting things off? Well, just prior to me going to that Kree shaman for that meeting, I was being attacked quite heavily by shadow people. So it was before you're a Christian. Before I was a Christian. Right before.

Right before. And I was. was blaming it on somebody that I had come with come to me and wanted to be trained by me. And this person was deep into Santeria. And I was blamed. I had to break ties like sole ties again. I had to break connections with him because, hey man, I'm not into witchcraft. He fully was into witchcraft.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, absolutely. He came to their house because I was there. He came to their house and we did a session on him. And immediately I was like, get this guy out of your house. Really? Yes.

I didn't trust him at all. And I would look at him when he was telling a story and he'd look at me straight in the eye and be like, stop reading my mind. I'm like, I'm not. I'm not. And then he took out of his pocket a blonde Barbie head. I'm like, this guy's in his 50s, hey? 60.

60. And I looked at mom and dad was like, like, got to get him out of here. He's carrying my head in his pocket, mom and the dad. Get him out of here. Yeah. And like you looked at it too. Yes. I didn't trust him at all. And then he gave them even gifts, like a picture.

And he gave me like a butterfly stamp. And my mom gave it to me, I was like, throw this in garbage. This guy's full on witchcraft. Anyway, I digress. So then he thought it was coming from the Santeria guy. Anyway, like he came to a session that someone from the city there I lived in and wanted me to do a demonstration of journeying. So I did that for the drumming, for the people.

it was probably 20 people came there and he was one of them and I heard just someone said this shaman you should meet him he's from Africa somewhere or something like that right and he was there

when he journeyed on the drum he saw things in the lower world right so he knew it was real what I was doing so then he came and introduced him after the session and we became acquaintances

you know and he had session with me. He said I removed five spirits from him that he's been going everywhere, like Miami, lots of places to try to get rid of these things. And he said, nobody could do it. He said, but you did it.

I said, oh, okay. So he wanted me to train him because he needed, I sensed that he wanted to use my good nature to increase his power. So eventually after six months or so, I can't keep being contacted with this guy. So I had to break ties with him.

And later, I met the Kree Shaman. But then after that century, you got into Arizona, right to the Hopi. Oh, the Hopi, yeah. We got it in there before we go to the Christian thing. Got to go to the Hopi first. Okay. And so anyway, I thought it was the Santa Ria guy Trump putting curses on me.

So I was asking the Cree shamans, can you check this out for me? I'm being attacked bad, bad. But I didn't realize it was coming from the, from him. From the creed. Right? And I don't think he knew either. He didn't know it. Oh, okay.

No, no. He didn't know either. He's not intentionally. Plot twist. No, no, no. We love him. Yeah. The Hopi thing.

First, my first trip to Arizona, I always wanted to go. Well, Sedona is kind of like a hotbed of New Age stuff, right? So make a journey. It's like making a pilgrimage somewhere. So I went to Sedona, my wife and I. And I went into a New Age store place there that had psychic. and stuff like that. My wife didn't do any session there, but I did.

I booked a session with this lady and went into the session with her. And it was kind of like a reading, you know. And she was reading and she was looking up in the corner of the room. This is a lot of, the corner of rooms is important too because souls hang out in corners of rooms. Interesting. Yeah. The first time I was had an out of body experience. So it was in the corner of a room.

That's interesting. The first time I ever saw something, like a shadow figure, it was in the corner of the room. Yeah, there you go. It actually darted from corner to corner. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So she was speaking and she was looking at me and not really looking at me, but interacting with me, you know, talking.

And she said, no, they're telling me you got to go to the Hopi land. And they're telling me that I should be learning from you. I didn't know this lady from a hole in the ground, right? And after the session was over, she said, is there some way you can move to Arizona? Like, can you move here? I said, what do you mean? Like, she said, no, you have to be here, right? And she wasn't going to charge me for this session.

She said, I can't charge you for this because whatever she was being told was to leave me alone, like, just give me the session for, free because I guess we need him, right? And so I left that place. I didn't know where the Hopi land was. I have no idea. So I got a map out, old-fashioned map, not GPS anymore, right? So I got a map out and I said, oh, well, here it is. Okay, it's up past Flagstaff.

All right. Next morning, got up early, drove out to the Hopi land, the desert, right? Wow. Yeah. Just like that. You and mom. Yes, two of us. And we went into the third Mesa.

And now I appreciate Joel. Is it Joel? Joel. Joe? Yeah. My body, Joel? Yeah. Joel is amazing, talented.

Wow. But he's also the social media manager, so he's going to clip that and play it on the social media. I knew he was. I didn't know that, no. But no, he's great. And he's a podcast on the Hopi Land Stargates a little while ago. That was the confirmation. That was a confirmation for me to come here and talk about this, actually.

Wow, okay. Okay. So we were talking about confirmation some earlier. And that was confirmation. That was the final one. And that sealed the thing that I should talk about this. So there's two trips to the Hopi Land. So I do the first one.

I drove up there. We drove up there. early in the morning and I found the third mesa. I don't know, we found the third mesa, but it's all Araby it's called. This village is the oldest inhabited village in America. And it's been there for a thousand years and continually inhabited.

And we drove in there, it was a little gift shop kind of thing when you come in. And we stopped there and said hello and stuff like that. When we left the gift shop, I said, well, I got to go into the village. They told me to come here, so I got to go in. So I went in, parked the vehicle. Right away, someone came over, a man. And I thought, oh, okay, he looks like he's had a few drinks, right?

I said, yeah, this is sketchy. I'm in the middle of nowhere, and there's a guy here and has a few drinks. He comes over, he's friendly, and I get out, and I talk. talk to him and everything seems okay. Maybe I'm, it's a bit, maybe I'm more cautious than I should be, right? He's talking to me and it seems friendly enough. He said, hey, you guys want a tour at the village, right? I said, sure, we have a tour.

And he's got, yeah, it's okay. So it seemed like he did this before, you know, tourists and stuff. So we started walking around the village and out at the the end of the Mesa. The Mesa is a high spot in the desert, like it's a cliff face, maybe a couple hundred feet down to the desert floor, you know. So you're out on this high spot. And there's abandoned church, the ruins of a church out on the edge of this high spot.

And it looked like it was, I thought it was older than it was, but I thought it was Spanish ruins. Because this place has been there for thousand years, right? And there's Spanish ruins in the Hopi land there on the Mesa's. There's a third, in Joel's podcast, he talks, he had a map up with Mesa. It's good. And so I was on the third one. And he said, you can go over and look at the church, but he said, I can't go. I can't go over there.

He said, I can only go so far. I said, how come? He said, you know, we don't go there. So I went over and looked around at the ruins and everything. And I found out later when I researched the church that it was a Methodist church that was built in 1901 or something. And it was destroyed, it was struck by lightning and burnt. Wow. In 1940.

And they were told not to go near that anymore because of the cause of. the destruction. Because the lightning? The lightning. So I talked about lightning on my last podcast, right? Lightning is called down from the sky too. So, okay, we walked around, we checked out the church and stuff. Then we walked around towards the other side, the village.

And he stopped me. He said, do you want me to sing for you guys? I said, yeah, sing a song for us in Hopi. and he said you see those mountains over there the San Francisco peaks he said that's where the kachinas come from

and he said I sing we sing to bring them in the planting time and different times a year right asked him to come and he said I'll sing you song

so he started singing in Hopi right away I started singing the same song you did yes I did And the same words. My wife is behind me. She said, she taught her, she heard me singing.

And I'm singing the same thing he's singing. I don't even know the language. And it was almost like I felt a power coming from the ground, up through the ground, and letting me speak, let me sing. So we went around another. spot and he said you see this area here this is where the cisterns are for the water and he's and i sound a little like grooves in the rocks and drain draining into these cisterns big holes in the rock natural holes and they kept their water all year around because it's out in the middle of the desert and they grow corn

and uh so he showed me an inscription in the rocks And it was September 8th, 1906. And he said, that, on this spot was a breakup of the village. Because the Christian church had come in, the Methodist had come in, and the government had come in, and wanted to assimilate everyone, right? Take the way, the Hopi way. And there was a breakup in the village. like there's 50% people were against it

and 50% said it was going to be a good thing. He said, so they decided here on the spot. And so they had a kind of a contest, like maybe a tug-of-war contest. And there was a line drawn. And whoever went over this side or that side, that's who they'd go with. That's who'd win, you know what I mean?

So the people won that won. leave. So they left and went and started another village next door. But the Olorabi village stayed and the people that wanted to stay with their culture stayed in that one. And I found an interesting when I looked at the inscription on the rock, engraved in the rock, September 8th. That's my mother's birthday, you know, like an odd, right? And so that was great. We had a great visit sit there. I came back into Sedona. Tell him about, remember, like at nighttime.

Apparently, didn't he come sleep with you guys at the hotel? This is the second trip. Oh, I was like, he invited this person with them. Odd. When he told me that? No, no, second trip. He came with you guys and, okay, with the tobacco and the nighttime and. Yes, okay.

So that's my introduction to the whole. And I met his family. And they're created by like the ant people from underground. Beautiful people and friendly and gentle and all that, right? So I come back into town. So I met him. He was a U.S. vet. He was an army vet.

I went over to his makeshift cabin sort of thing. I think he had ammo boxes there of U.S. Army written on it and stuff. But he was a great person, right? He invited me back to stay there. camp there if I wanted to. So fine. We left, went back into Sedona.

I went into a studio, an art studio, Hopiart studio. I talked into this person, artist, and I wanted to buy a print. And the print had it seemed like the earth and it had

triangles etched into the side. like a puzzle piece around it. And I said, like, what does that mean, George? I said, like, what are those things mean? He said, oh, there's ships. They're the ships that are waiting for us to take us off world, right? And I said, oh, okay.

I wouldn't know what they were, George, if you didn't have to tell me, right? I like that artwork, though. I'm going to buy that. So I brought that back. So that's my first trip with them, right? I went back again. I went up to the Olorabi village, my wife and I, went in. The first person had left and moved out and had a family and stuff.

His younger brother was there, so I met him, and he's an artist. And so we got talking to him. I purchased some Cachinas from him, dolls, Kachina dolls. I invited them to come back into because I bought these dolls and the dolls are made out of cottonwood.

It's very hard to get. You can't get it in the desert area there. So I said, well, we're going back to Stona. Come back with us. I'll drive you back too. I'll drive you home, right? He said, I wish I could go to Sedona but you guys get some wood, right? In the river.

So I said, well, I'll come with us then, you know, and we took them back to the resort where we were at the next day. But when we were leaving the mesa, as we got down in the valley, the floor, the desert floor, it started raining. And it was just raining over our car. He rolled down the window, and he said, it's raining. I think he put out a piece of bread or something and gave it to the spirit. But we're sending you rain.

I said, is that good, you know, is that good thing? He said, oh, yes, it's a good thing. So we went into the city. We stayed there. Got up the morning, he had breakfast. He takes a piece of food and gives it to the spirit next to him, right? And that's strange. Giving food to somebody next to him.

There's nobody there, right? And so we go into, we're driving him home again. Went to the river. And I went to, I mean, wading in the river, picking up these pieces of cottonwood. I said, is this one good? Is this one good? We get to put it all in the trunk of the car and get in the car and driving up to the Hopi land again. He said, I said, so how was that foraging trip today, right?

Was it good? He said, yeah, it was great. And he said, it was no snakes either. I said, snakes? What about? What do you mean? Snakes in their river? He said, yeah.

You know. So I'm putting my hand in holes in the rocks trying to get this wood out and stuff. So anyway, we get up to the Mesa. And the kind of guy, you know, say goodbye to everybody there, his family and stuff. They invite us back to the festivals in June and the planting festival. What about the dark, remember? Like, he said, I got to get home by dark. Oh, yeah.

He wanted to get, he's adamant. He wanted to get home by dark, right? because they don't go out after dark. They don't take their children out in the dark. They don't walk around in the dark. They ever say why? Yeah. He said...

Chinas? The Kachinas told them not to be out at night. Right? They're advised. They warned them not to be out at night. So you have to shut everything down and go inside because they operate at night. Hmm. No camping.

No camping. No camping. Kathy. And so while we're leaving the Mesa that trip, we're coming down in the valley, there's an eagle. There was a cloud, maybe two miles wide, in the shape of an eagle, perfect shape of an eagle. And I'm looking at it, my wife was looking at it, and she says, it's amazing. Like, it's a perfect shape of an eagle. It's not changing.

It's still there, right? we drive back into the city, we get on the flight, and come back home, and you pick us up. Patty picks us up from the airport. At nighttime. At nighttime. And they live near the airport, so I went and got them. And when we were coming back, the northern lights, I don't know if you guys get them down here, but really, really strong up north. Like, they're, like, come, you know, they're dancing and different colors.

But usually they're pretty high up. This time, they were almost, like, at the street lights. Like scary. Oh, I got to back up because I'm getting ahead of myself. I missed a step. With a vision? Yeah. At that, okay.

Then we'll move on to the, I'm going to keep on track here. We've got to keep one time. We came back to the mason. The eagle was in the sky. We came back the next day, and over the weekend, we went to some new age place that we had frequented, another one. And a lady wanted to do a session on me. I said, I don't like people working on me, you know?

Like, really. And after, the second day, I said, yeah, okay, I'll do it. So she said, I do Egyptian Reiki. I said, yeah, fine, that's good. So I laid on our table, and immediately, as the session started, I started moving. My soul started leaving my body, and I was in a ship. I was being taken aboard a ship, and I could see space.

in front of the ship, like stars, galaxies, that sort of thing. Moving like Star Trek, basically. I'm in Star Trek now, right? Wow, this is powerful. And after a minute or two, I noticed an entity on the end of the table. A tall, it wasn't very tall, was about that height there, maybe, Five and a half feet. It was a gray alien, a typical gray alien,

but it had a light green tint on its skin. It wasn't gray, gray. It was one on my left side at the table right here. They were kind of looking at me and curious about me. And as that was going on, the ship was starting to slow down. and I could see clearly outshadow front. And at the front,

and I meant to get a dollar bill before I came in, but I forgot. Don't ask me, I don't care about it. Yeah, I know. And at the front of the ship, there was the biggest pyramid I ever saw in space. It was like a planet. And it was identical to what's on the dollar bill.

and it was it was like a phosphorus light flame coming out of the top of it the capstone and I'm looking at this oh I wonder I know

now I know where the Egyptians got the geese pyramid from I know where it's from now right they told me telepathically that I was in the Pallades galaxy

star system not galaxy star system constellation and Orion was close by to my left and then it started to come to an end. The session was coming to an end. The division was where I was,

my soul was starting to come back into my body. When I came back into my body, she said, we're almost done, but you had to sit on the, lie on the table for another 10 minutes or so or 15 minutes because there's two beings, Light beings, she called them. Light beings.

Want to download information to you. And it sounds like clicking noises they're making. And I said, okay. So I had to lay there for 10 and 15 minutes. When I got up, and I was speaking to it during the session telling her things like the world was going to be flooded.

It's going to mean end to the world. It's going to be flooded. and she was talking to me interacting with me. She said, you were there when they created life on this planet. You were there. And she was giving me some information like that. And she said, you don't really know who you are, do you? And I said, no, well, the typical abduction experience

that they boost you up to a place where your, you're greater than you're supposed to be. And when I said, when I came out of the room, the lady at the front desk there said, this is crazy. She said, like, an alien just walked in this door. Like, as you guys went into that session in the room. Like, there was an alien walked in here,

full on alien, right? And the lady that was giving me the session, she said, well, it's no wonder, they know he's here you know and so she was saying to me that

I had information that nobody would have about the creation of the world and the creation of life on the world because I was there in the beginning sort of like Prometheus remember that movie Prometheus

I do I do I do down, dropped off a man? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Some similar to that. But I was supposed to be the engineering, the Prometheus

thing. I was in charge of it, basically. That's what I was being told. And so the thing that I remember most distinctly about it was the pride. The power of the pride that came over you.

Because you were special. It was like a power to come on you. They filled you with pride. And so we know where that comes from. Yeah. So then what are you seem like the aliens are trying to deceive people saying that they created the world? Yes. Yes.

The Palladians, the aliens that are trapped in that prison in Pallades, that they're deceiving people with abduction stories and saying, like I, we created the universe. Is that what? Yes, basically. And when I got back, that's when the, what, she picked me up from the airport. Yeah. And that's when the Northern Lights came down in the shape of an eagle.

Yeah. And it was almost like, like at home, you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was almost like it was following us. Like, I was scared. Follow us in the vehicle. It followed us until we got to their house.

And I ran into the house because I was like, this is too crazy. Like, it's almost on top of the van. and it's not usually like that so when I was deciding to come here and whether I should share the UFO

abduction experience I asked for confirmation about that and I was getting it in my spirit yes you need to speak because there's a deception coming and I

contacted a lady that had given the magazine to a one point that had to play these article in it. And she still had it after four years. I was shocked that she still had it. And then your buddy Joel podcast, I got on the bus, Free the Rabbits podcast, by the way. We got to give a proper shout out, free the rabbits podcast. I was asking for confirmation about this, right?

I said, do you really want me to speak about this? It was important. He said, oh, yeah, it's important. I'm asking God, if it's important. important. They want me to talk about it. Oh, yeah, talk about it. So when I get on the bus and I open my phone, well, free to revs podcast. You know, Joel is talking about the Hopi, right? I said, oh, thank you. Very precise and very clear. Right. So there's a deception coming that I know now, there's clips in the media that there's four races on the earth, Palladians, reptilians, whites, cryptods. But, That's all a deception. And the Palladians are going to be the greatest deception because they've been embedded into this culture,

into this human race for a long, long time. Long time. They're all over the world in every culture. And they've embedded themselves in here. And now with technology, they're going to be coming and saying, oh, we created you, basically. We see that this planet.

and the Hopi's are the only one that knows it basically. And the Cree, sometimes they'd say it. Indigenous cultures say it. But even when the Hopi said those are the ships that we're waiting for. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was their cataclysm. They were waiting for the Blue Star Kachina.

But when the cataclysm happens, they'd be protected because their ancestors are coming for them. Because they're descended from. the Pallades, basically. So this Palladian agenda has been on happening for many, many, many years, hundreds of years, thousands of years. What isn't it in the book of Enoch that, like, in the stars? Yeah, it's not really, it's not really verified. It's not really clear.

But it's a theory, I guess. But so the Great Pyramid came from the Pallades, basically. And they showed it to me. I understood. And it's on your dollar bill. Because it's on there for a reason. Say that accusatory. No.

I don't have a reason. You keep changing ours. Yeah. You never change yours. No. You're in the why? I'm starting to make connections. Before we move on to like,

hey? Oh, sorry. No, no, go ahead. Before we move on to like how you became a Christian. Yeah. I was wondering if I could just add two things on that. When he was talking about the singing, remember when the puppy man was singing? Yes.

I said to him, when he said that to me, I was like, it's so interesting because it's a form of worship. Yes. It's like a singing to the gods, you know. And then interestingly enough, and when I was in India, we have a lot of, it's called Kirtan, and that is like a worship to all the gods. We would just sing and sing and sing to God. And in the sweats, we would sing and sing and sing to God. So I think like...

What God? Other gods. So it's also like a counterfeit. Like even the demons require worship. They require it. They lust for it. They want it. Whereas, you know, in the true form of worship to Jesus, the angels are always singing 24-7 never ends.

So there's always worship in heaven, but the demons also want worship. So I just, I wrote it down there because I just, it was like a moment of when he was saying, about the Hopi, the power of sound. You know, God spoke the world into existence. So there is power in sound and what we do with it. I just wanted to add that. And then, oh, just one last thing before we move on from shamanism and that chord thing. We were talking about last night about, we watched this documentary about 10 years ago

about this father in the States who has a little boy named Roman. He has autism. And they couldn't find anything to help him in America. They went everywhere. It was really, really bad, this little boy he had. And so the dad was going all over place trying to help him. So he finally found this shaman in Mongolia. It's a popular documentary. I forget what it's called, though. So they make the big trek. They go to Mongolia. They even put this little boy on a horse and take him up the mountain for like hours and hours and hours and they get up there and you can see the footage of the shaman doing extraction on this little boy with autism.

Wow. Full on like he's like a shaman that doesn't speak English. He's in the little village and you could see literally the shaman doing this extracting. Yeah. So it was like, so we were talking last night. It was like, yeah. And then after that, that little boy spoke. Yeah.

He went to the bathroom by himself. He did all these things. The father was like, wow, thank you, Jesus. He didn't say, thank you, Jesus. He just said, thank you. But in my head, I was like, there's, yeah, it healed him, but there's a payment that has to come. And the payment is going to be either their family, something's going to have to pay the price. Whereas in Christian extraction, I guess, Christian healing and deliverance that we'll get into in a moment,

The price has already been paid by the blood of Jesus. Right. So there is no extra payment required. So I do think that shawmans can heal people, but it's going to come at a big cost. And can I back up in the silver cord and the Golden City? Now. Do you want me to tell it quickly? Tell.

You're about the shaman and Amazon? Yes. I had studied those people. Okay, go ahead. Okay, maybe I can maybe speak quickly. Faster. Yeah, good, good, good. This amazing documentary, we just recently found in the last couple years.

We're doing a lot of plugging on this podcast. I know. That's fine. I just let it go. It's fine. We talked about it in the last time that we spoke with you, but it's just so good. This missionary, he grew up in Amazon. Mike Dawson.

Mike Dawson. What is it called the enemy god? The indwelling enemy god. Yes, it's so good. if anyone wants to see it. And spiritual warfare and Amazon. It's all about spiritual warfare. So he goes to the Amazon.

I'll give you the clips after. And they spread the gospel there. And there's lots of shamans in there. And they really hate him because they could see like, oh, the spirit and you, we don't like it. It irritates the demons in me. So anyway, he said that that shaman, like, he actually became saved, right? That shaman?

Yes. So he said that he was giving, telling a story to the missionary about, maybe I'm confused. Remember he said, he knew that he, he knew, he said, oh, up in where we go, there's fire on the rocks and stuff. Okay, I'll tell it. Yeah, you tell it. Sorry, I thought he could do a good job. I was too prideful. You took it the reins and it's right back.

Yeah, I took it back. I'm humbled. Okay, I'll let you go. But anyway, he was going to these remote villages up to Amazon. And the older shaman, the elder in the village, talked to him one day and said, oh, and the young guy said, oh, Dios, you know, he spoke Spanish, God, and Spanish. And the old man said, I know who you're talking about. you're talking about the enemy god

what do you mean the enemy god yeah he's the most powerful god over everything and he hates us and he doesn't like us but we travel we travel there and we see his place

right and the shaman started describing the place because it's almost like that shaman was describing what dad saw remember there's a city over there but he couldn't go that shaman said the same thing but he could get close You could get closer because they travel in the spirit world every day, right, constantly.

And they're doing it with hallucingenics too, not alasca, but different drug. And it was interesting about that because I studied those people when I was studying shamanism. I did a little documentary on them one time that I wanted to know a little bit about them. But I had no idea. There was missionaries working with them because I was a shaman at that time. And so when he did that interview with the shaman, he spoke to him in the village, he said,

and he said, we go, our spirits take us there and they show us, but they tell us that he doesn't like us, he doesn't want us, the Yadamami people, because he hates us, you know,

he doesn't want to share everything with us. And he started, the old man, the Indian shaman, started describing what was there and he said the streets of gold. And like this guy doesn't, hey, they don't have anything. They don't even know what a motor is on a boat.

He didn't say streets. He said paths, like paths like trails, paths, golden, shiny. The water is like crystal clear water. If you drink it, you'll never get sick. And rainbows and around this high place. He called it a high place. He didn't say throne. He just said the high place he sits on. Where the enemy god sits is the high place.

rainbow. So the missionaries listening to him. And then all of a sudden, this guy has read Isaiah. But no, no. But dad here was the crazy thing. He said, and there's also fire. No, he said, there's fire. Yes. Firestones. And then all of a sudden the missionary said, that can't be my heaven. No, you're in hell. You're thinking about hell. Yeah. But so then, but after that he goes, there's lots of noise up there. It's too loud. Noisy, noisy all the time. Because it was like the worship. Sing it. And then he said, then it was just too.

bright. It's too bright for us to stay. We can't get closer. And the firestone, he said, well, little who is the surprise. Years later, a couple of years later, he was reading in Ezekiel, and walked in the fire, the stone's of fire, right? It's actually in heaven. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So these shamans know the spiritual realm more than we do. And well, that's what the missionary said. He goes, wow, my goodness, this, this man's that doesn't even know how to read a book. He knows my Bible better than I do. And the old man looked at the young missionary and said,

and you have his spirit. And he pointed out of him like this. You have his spirit. You have the enemy God's spirit. And he said, how do you know this? He said, how do you know? And he said, because when you came to our village, Ma'amai spirits left and are waiting to you leave to come back.

And the missionary could speak his Yonamami language, yeah. So he said he was 17 years old and didn't really know he was saved. You know what I mean? He knew he was saved, but he didn't, wasn't. Confirmed. Am I, like, do I really have the Holy Spirit? Questioning, you know? But then the point of my bringing this back up was with a silver cord because this

shaman, he would go to the heaven, but he thought it was the enemy God's place. Because he could never get close. It was a lie the devil was telling him. You know, he's saying the enemy God hates you guys. You can't go there. Don't go there. So when he would go up there. It was like the cord. He said, we can't get too close. It pulls us back.

Yeah. So the cord was being pulled, not necessarily reaching its limit. Yeah. Right. But, okay, wow. Yeah. It's interesting. It's interesting. And so anybody questions if there's a heaven, just go ask the shaman in the jungle. That has never read anything. That has never read the Bible. Yeah. I just looked it up and just so people can look it up themselves, Ezekiel 20. 14 through 16. That's right. Is that scripture verse.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I didn't mean to cut you off. I just had to add that. But do you want to get in tonight? How we're, you know, now how we're going to become Christian and look at the animals. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, like I like how you're, you're just like, I saw you guys both blueprinted the conversation. And you're just helping dad just kind of navigate through. Well, she used to, we used to do. workshops and she'd be timing me, right? I'd be like, hey. They only pay for an hour, man.

There's so much information, though, Tony, right? It's lots, right? Yeah. And we're just touching the surface. Yeah, I know. And it's not like you're next door, you know? You know, you had to fly down here from Alberta. Well, you know, I flew a lot of places around the world.

Before. Before in the new age. in my world. I know when we said, we never thought we'd become in Tennessee. And I feel like as soon as we got here, we're like, wow, there's Jesus everywhere. I don't have trust.

But I will say that it is, yes, that's true. But there is two aspects of that. One, where you see Jesus everywhere, there's also witchcraft everywhere. Oh, okay. And also Jesus is so embedded into the, the culture here that he is overlooked because it's just like when it's cold outside you put on a coat kind of thing you don't think about it and it's it's there's a sense of um like they they call

it the bible belt but there is a sense of sense of just um taking it for granted not there's there's a real danger here for people i think to say that they're Christian even though they don't even know what that means just because it's the culture they're raised in so yeah anyways But I love it here, though. It's great. I love it. It is, we've got to say this, though. There is a different feeling when we flew into Nashville. Just it flew into Tennessee anyway. I think there's a different feeling. And I don't know if any of you have been to Canada. Right now, it's getting gnarly. Like, it's... In a good way.

No, not in a good way. Like, the feeling is God is gone from that. place. I mean, the people are there. The people who love God are there. Maybe like the handed protection of God is removed. I feel like the people are godless. Forgive me for saying that if anyone is watching it from. Yeah, it will be. Well, I mean, you're Canadian. Yourself is not like you're being accusatory of other people. You are Canadian yourself. And if you're feeling that, I mean, it's, it's important to be able to sound the trumpet when you see there be a problem, you know. So I don't think there's a problem with them. I feel like, I don't know about in your world, but man, there is, I feel like there is a revival.

Oh, 100%. I agree. The people you at least expected are coming to God. So there's a very famous Canadian right now. His name is Wesley Huff. Oh, yes, yes. And he is the one who, I've been quoting quite often with this story, is coming out of Canada. He has a friend who still has a bookstore, I think it's a Christian bookstore.

and his friend told him a story that there was a young kid that came into the bookstore and said, do you have any one of those Bible things? And he said, yeah, we have them over here. And he said, great things. I got to have this. All my friends are reading it. Yes. And so it's this, there is this sense of the younger generation.

And then I come in with my example of just, I really believe we are spiritual beings. We are spiritual in nature, and that's not in a new age way, but just in, we are, we are, there's a spirit man that for generations has been starved of a supernatural spiritual existence. Like we grew up in a world, at least I have, where it's like atheism has had a stronghold. And just like you can take the natural body and lock it in a room with no food after a while, it gets hungry, it starts starving. and it'll eat anything. And I think it's where we're at right now, where the collective, we've been starved spiritually for so long that you see the younger generation. Like, I got to eat.

I have to eat. And the danger in that is they are turning to witchcraft. They are turning to new age because it has the sweet tooth. It offers the sugar and it tastes good and the immediate gratification. But there are people who are finding themselves to Christianity that they're looking for the steak, something that's meaty and holds weight and value. But I do think that there is a

sense to the revival aspect, especially the younger generation for sure. 100%. Yeah. That was a good visual of like starving in a room. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. Well, thank you. So

when we're coming to Christianity. Yes. So eventually when I got involved in the aboriginal culture in Canada and shamanism there. It took on a whole new level because the spirits were not necessarily nice. You know, they were rough and they wanted domination, basically, and attacking us all the time, right? And I didn't know where it was coming from.

I thought it was coming from that Santa Rio witchcraft guy. And it was coming from the Aboriginal culture that it was engrossed in, the sweating and sweat lodges and songs and calling in the spirits and all that. So eventually one thing led to another, and I got saved, the miraculous moments in the other podcast. I know, but you got to say it. You have to. You have to.

I'm telling you, it is a defining moment in your life. And the words you're sharing today, I believe will hold more weight if they understand how you came to Christianity. So over periods of months of being attacked and didn't know where it was coming from. And I thought it was coming from another person, like a senterea curse on me. All this time it was coming from the lifestyle that I was living involved in, this shamanistic, a creedy shaman world. I never experienced any of that before. Like I traveled in a lot of places. Like I said, the Hopi land.

I traveled there. But I did get abducted there. But one day, it came to a point where I had to say, how do we stop this? And I turned on the TV and it's supernatural was on, Sid Roth. And he was having a guest on there. And the guest was a priest pastor. And he said, does anybody? want to get healed.

Just stand up and pray with us, right? And say this prayer. And my wife and I stood up and was like 7 o'clock in the evening. It was dull outside, dark, just getting dark. And it was all pressing in the house for months, right? And the house was dark. And I said that prayer. I don't even remember the prayer anymore.

Like it's just a prayer to God to heal you, I think, is basically, right? When I hit the prayer finished, the room lit up. There was light in the room, filled with light. Outside, it seemed like it was brighter outside. And everything lifted. There was a darkness was gone, just gone. And it was like a joy came over me, a peace over both of us. And it was indescribable, almost.

And it lasted for a few days. Like everything, you look at objects in your house and it'd be bright and everything was brighter. Your eyesight was bright. It was like somebody took scales from your eyes and gave you a new pair of glasses. And I said, wow, it really works. It really, really works. That's the moment I got saved that day. And you were still a shaman at that time.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. And I had to go back and talk. I had an interview with him then, right? tell them. I said, I can't, I can't practice in this world anymore. And you kind of had to send out a big email. I sent an email. It's like, this spiritual experience. And I sent out the newsletter. All right, guys, here's the update on Patrick Dwyer's life. Because we couldn't access.

We couldn't call hundreds of people, you know. So I sent an email. She helped me with the email. And she was mad. Oh, I was, I was raging. She was mad. And they even had to burn everything in their house because their whole house was they had all those kachina dolls like the demons. Thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. And lots and lots of stuff.

And everything connected with my life prior life had to go. Was there an immediate connection to that understanding that you had to get rid of certain things? Yeah. Yeah. It was like a deep conviction. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah.

Instantly. Because sometimes some people have it. It's like a little more gradual. Sure. I think yours was pretty intense. Yeah, it was intense. Yeah. Because remember like in the book of Acts and they brought all their incantation books and everything and just burnt it and like the worth was so much money.

That's what you had to do. Yeah. And then send out that email. But guess what? A lot of our people, the main people, are now Christian. Really? Yeah. It's amazing.

Whatever happened to him, I wanted to happen to me. Because he was so big in Alberta. It would be like the person you respect the most. Why did he leave? Right. You know, like there was a question of, but I was raging for like a year. Yeah. Because I grew up like that.

So I thought that was, I was like, you lied to me this whole time. So that was, it was. was like an identity break, I guess. Like, I was like, is this even real? So I did teach for a whole year, or I was doing that stuff for a whole year, but I kept sweating. And I got attacked more and more and more. I used to always have sleep paralysis since I was young, but it got worse. It got worse to the point now the spirits are touching me and, like hurting me. And I was like, oh, maybe they are right, you know, like if this stopped with them, but I still had this doubt, because I actually thought Christians were lame. I thought they were kind of losers. You know, like, they can be

dorky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, what do they know? I was just like, kind of like, that's just weak. Yeah. Anyway, that's actually a good descriptor week. It was like, I think, I think Western Christianity tends to present itself as weak because they want to be, quote, unquote, meekness, but meekness is often misdefined. Uh, the reality. is Christ was a warrior. Oh, yeah. He was strong. And if we're going to embody that, we need to be warriors and strong as well.

And also I think maybe the mainstream Christianity doesn't show any of its supernatural power. Right. I mean, like, if all the people in the new age knew that Christianity actually is the most supernatural, powerful thing in the whole universe, I don't think anyone would be playing around with the new age. That's what you were talking about earlier before we started recording, the idea that, like, Western Christians don't even understand the supernatural power that is on their side and wanting to activate and work for them. And it's literally showing up to a fight with a ball chain around your ankle and saying, best of luck.

Right. Yeah. And anyway, so I got attacked to attack. And the final time, it was about a year later, it was in May, 2019. I think it was right before Mother's Day, the day before Mother's Day, I got so severely attacked. I used to have sleep paralysis, but mainly it would happen on my back. This time I was on my side, and it was like the whole room lit up like lightning. And there was like this woman that I had worked with.

It wasn't her. It was like just like this spirit, I guess, the demon presenting as her, came into my, you. and said, I'm going to fill you with fear. And all of a sudden, this big electrical shock came into my back. Like it was like, it almost electrocuted me. And a demon went into my back. And it was the spirit of fear. And it's a moment that woman that whispered in my ear. Like it's almost like I saw it out of my spiritual eye. Like I wasn't looking at it with my eyes, but I knew it was happening in real time. She transformed into a large, large black wolf and was in the room. And I was, it was the most terror. Like that's the only

thing I could describe it as, as ultimate terror. Because I've had lots of scary things happen into that point, but this was terror. And I was thinking, I was like, a demon entered me. I know that for sure. So that made me really scared. So I called my dad at like, mind me five in the morning i was like is jesus real because i think i just got possessed or something like i didn't want to play around with that you know that was the line and he said yeah jesus is real and he just said we'll just pray for you right now to to cut it and uh he prayed and i that moment i was like jesus if you're real come help me because i can't have that anymore and since then i was saved on May 13th, 2019.

The grace of God, though, he's so patient and kind. He let me teach yoga for a whole year, even when I was saved. But he started to tell me to get rid of things. All of my, like, Vishnu, all of the yoga gods, all of the incantations that would have been prayed over me. I had to cut the contracts. I got rid of all of tarot cards. all those types of things and threw them in the garbage, all the drums that were gifted to me.

Lots of things I had to throw in the garbage, but he still let me teach the yoga. And eventually, he's so kind, it just dissolved away from me. Like the desire dissolved away. And like, I used to teach Sanskrit. So even the language of Sanskrit started to like just get away from my language. my mind. It was like, I'm like, now I'm like, how did I, how do I not remember all the Sanskrit, you know, because I was teaching Vedic philosophy. Like, it just, the Lord is so good, he just kind of just took it out of my mind. So, um, do you feel like your dad turning to Christ

spawned an uptick of attack on you? Because of, Oh, yeah. Like if he's the trade that team, the focus goes on you in an attempt to maybe to push you further in. But almost I, I push me out. I think it was maybe God being like, you can have her. Wow. I think God was saying to the enemy, because I know God was like, she won't come to me unless she's attacked so severely. Wow.

And I think the grace of God was like, have her. I know she's going to come to me anyway. That's Job. That's wild. And not Joe totally, but like the idea that God allows things to happen. That's wild. Because the way I was hearing the story, I was wondering if it was an attempt to scare him back into things to protect his daughter. But the way you feel, that's, that's wild.

That's wild. Yeah. Because then after that, I haven't been attacked like that and since that happened. But I would get attacked maybe every few months, just a little bits. But I think the enemy was just like, I didn't want to lose her. Like she was a good worker for me. But I know that sounds ritualistic, so please just. I said Psalm 91 in my house every day for three months straight.

And I know that's a ritual, I know that's a ritual pat. Yeah, but it's scripture. But it's scripture. I think it, it strengthened me and it strengthened me because I said it out loud. I commanded my house to be in the presence of the Lord. Afterwards, it wasn't a ritual. It was more of, this is what I declare. Yeah. And then after that, man, I barely ever.

he had attacked, maybe once every six months, but I can catch it in my dream or if it's happening. I'm not afraid. There's no terror. And when I said that to my dad, when I got really badly attacked, when it said, I'm going to fill you with fear. He was putting the spirit to fear me. That was an actual demon. And dad said, remember how he was saying before we started recording that the enemy is clumsy? He's smart, but he's clumsy.

So dad said he wasn't very smart because he told you what he filled you with. now we can pray the spirit of fear out of you. Wow. You know what I mean? Because then you have a specific thing that you can fight. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Powerful. It's powerful, very powerful. So when I got saved, prior to getting saved, I talked about the workshops that I did and training. And I took to escort souls into the light, basically, trapped souls. So now I'm saved, right? And people are coming to me and say, I got this stuff in my house. And this lady came to me, a good friend of mine, good friend of ours. She's a beautiful person.

She taps me on the show and she said, could you help me? I'm being tormented by demons. And I said, she said, someone told me that you could. can do that kind of work. Like you can do the shamanic work. I looked at her, I said, I'm sorry, I don't do that kind of work anymore. I'm really sorry. I can't help you that way. So I turned around and walked away from her and something told me to go back and talk to her. I know what that something is now, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit. He said, go back and talk to her. And I went back And I said, I can't help you the way I did before what I did, the way I used to work in shamanic work.

But I can probably help you some other way. It's true the Holy Spirit. It's sure the blood of Jesus will help you. And she looked at me. She was so desperate, she said, yes. Now, this is a Muslim lady. and there's a Christian talking to her

saying that he can help her. She took it, she believed me and what she told me what was happening were her in her home she said it sounds like flies

like they come at night and now they're coming during the daytime and she says it's buzzing like flies all around my head and I can't stand the noise. I said, did you say buzzing like flies? She said, yeah, flies. So I looked at her and I said,

do you know who the Lord of the Flies is? Right. It's the king himself, Satan himself, right? Balesabweb was in her home. And a host of demons ran her home, tormenting her. And I said, no, I got my King James Bible. I'm a new Christian, right? How's all this work?

Maybe I've got to use oil or something. So I got to retrain the way. Yes, it was like a weird stumbling. I stumbled around, retaining. I'm looking at some, looking at online some Christians doing exorcisms and all that kind. I kind of knew about exorcisms, right? And, but I'm trying to do it the right way now, right?

And I go to her home. I bless her home. I bless her. She accepts Jesus. There's a Christian lady and her whole family is Muslim. Wow. Now she's a Christian.

And now she's the most on fire for Jesus you've ever seen. Like wildly. Yeah. She got Bible studies online. All the stuff like great. But the demons is progressive too.

The demons left. But they stayed in the perimeter. For property. of her property. And we're tormenting her, right? After two weeks later, I went back to her home. I blessed her perimeter, the boundary lines of her property.

And they're gone. They left. So the power and authority that we talked about before the podcast started is so important that people have to understand that they have the power and authority to exhort it, escort those things. away from people from their life and they don't have to be there anymore

but like Jesus said to his disciples you have faith by prayer and fasting you know like there are times when you have to do that fast and pray

I fast and pray all the time of I'm going to do something with anybody and who we talked about I just wanted to talk about that little story because it's so powerful. Yeah. And we're close friends today, like, really close. But when she walked out of her house, my wife did a...

She wasn't a Christian yet. She wasn't a Christian yet. She came to meet it. I said, you've got to come to my house and have a little sit-down meeting and see what's happening, right? So my wife, she never met her before, and she's talking to her. and, you know, don't worry, everything's going to be okay and all that. We're going to get you sort of out. We get a Bible for you and all that stuff.

I don't think she was ready for that. And I'm talking to her, and I said, I'm going to come see you next week. And when she's going through the door, my wife is saying, yes, and I can see you. You should have a Bible study. You should start a Bible study. It's out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. And she was like,

prophetic word on her, right? Now she has Bible studies every week as she hosts. It's like God is so good. Like he's involved. When you're involved, he's involved. When you're involved, he's involved. Yeah. You've got to be involved, right?

So she just prophetically said, I see you doing Bible studies. And right now, she's, full on doing Bob studies. About animals first or the healing and deliverance? We've got to go into the aspect of the souls trapped in the middle world. Okay, so that's healing and deliverance. That's a deception.

So when I was trained to move people into the light that are trapped, like from shamanism. Yeah, souls and shamanism. I was trained to move these spirits out of homes and things like that. So they represent themselves as actual people. I went to a home where there was a spirit of a 10-year-old boy. And the people were tormented there. And some CVius, it was pulling on your hair at nighttime and stuff like that.

His mother was staying there from another country, Philippines. I went there. Me and my daughter went there. And I knew how to move spirits by shamanism. I was trained. Move them out. Some people in the house said they saw the 10-year-old boy sitting on the stairs lots and playing with the little girl. Wanting to play with the little girl.

It was in the home. So then I cleared the home through shamanism, basically using my animal spirits to move this entity away. And we came down in the kitchen. And I looked at the fridge and there was a drawing on the fridge. of the little girl drew. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry, what's that? And it looked like a scary picture. And it was like the little girl, she thinks she was five.

And she said, oh, that's the monster. I said, oh, okay. Because she said, because she would play what the little boy, the dead little boy, the ghost or whatever. And we were like, oh. So now that we're Christian, we know that demons always will mask themselves as people. So when people say, oh, my grandmother came to visit me, oh, this person came to visit me.

It's never that person. It's always a demon, putting a mask on as a, as a demon. But that little girl saw the true spirit that was in her house. Unmasked. I would say unmasked demon, wow. That's terrifying for a child. Yeah. I know the common argument for well it was my grandma or whatever and she knew this that and the other from my childhood.

I don't think people totally grasp the eternal state of demonic entities. You know, like it's not like they have a beginning, they, they only had a beginning, but they don't have an end. Like there's no expiration. They've been here. They know, like, of course they know. everything about you. And if there is a demonic attachment through lineage

or whatever, and that's been assigned to you from the day you've been born, it knows everything about you. And like familiar spirits. So like other spirits could contact like his spirits and they're all

inter... Yeah, there's communication between them. There's absolute communication. And that that can be drawn out in Daniel 10, which I haven't had a chance to use Daniel 10 in a while, so I'm going to use it now. But you see interaction in Daniel 10 in the spirit realm where the spirit, the principality of Persia was preventing the angel to get to Daniel. And it wasn't until Michael the Archangel came in and intervened that that angel could come to talk to Daniel.

There's a literal exchange. One would imagine communication, but there was this connection that, that, you know, this is an active realm and there is communication amongst it. And that's why Michael had to come and intercede because that angel had to get a way to go talk to Daniel. So like if angels can speak to us, if demons can speak to us, they certainly can speak to one another as well. There is communication. And so there is relaying of notes. And hey, just so you know, this one that I was watching over here since he was born has these habits.

So when you're, when your human connects with this person, here's what you need to know. There's a, there is a grand amount of manipulation and orchestration involved here that maybe makes people uncomfortable to acknowledge, but it's true. Like, there are demonic forces who have been watching you since the day you were born and they share notes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Your turn.

I just sometimes sometimes people say things that I just I guess it triggers me a little bit because these are things that I've come to when I told you guys earlier when I started the show I didn't understand everything and it's been a process of eight years, almost nine years now of me learning

and growing and understanding that wasn't taught to me in the church but I do believe the church needs to start understanding and grasping. A hundred percent, yes. So I got called to another home, the home that had the couple, the 1800s couple. Oh, that picture that we showed you guys. That's a step into deliverance now. So first when I became saved, I knew.

I knew the scriptures quite well because I read them for 40 years and I read New Age encyclopedias for 40 years right and I didn't take Christians seriously even when I was in Sedona the first time we went there. I went to do that session

with that lady came out of the store and it was Good Friday there was a group of Christians going up the sidewalk with a crucifix and my wife looked at me and said isn't that sad? You don't know the truth. You know, they don't know the truth.

So I think back that often, and yeah, they knew the truth. But the whole truth, well, that's... Ironically, I don't know, yeah. Now, so you called me? Yeah, so going back to that story about that picture, my friend, I was just newly Christian, like I said, but she texted me and said, hey, look at this picture. My mom took this picture of my kids, and there's these two speech. in the picture. So I said, oh, and you could see them. And so I sent to dad, and I said, could you go over to my friend's house and help them? Like, just pray over their house, whatever.

Now, you weren't Christian yet. Yeah, I was. Oh, you were? Just turned just recently. Okay, yeah. Okay. So I thought, you know, he would go over there, not with the Bible. That was, I was not thinking that. The horror. I was like, even though I was a new Christian, I was like, okay, I still am embarrassed. You know, like there's like this weird transition period to be like, oh, I love Jesus. I still could. It was embarrassing, you know. So they go over to my friend's house.

I wasn't there. They brought the Bible. And like I was saying earlier, my mom's afraid of dogs. So they had this big dog that they got from their reserve. And my mom said, just put them outside, put her outside because I'm just afraid. So they come in and they started anointing the house. keeps praying over the place and says, like, maybe you should get rid of the couple things in your house that I could just spot out, just in terms of like, they had like, uh, buffalo skull and a few things

that, you know, we just think that are innocent, but as a Christian now with new eyes, we see like, maybe this, you don't want this in your house. So then my dad starts praying over her husband and they're not Christian, but they allowed him to pray and have the Bible. And he, he, He falls down the ground and there is. My friend's husband. Yeah. And anyway, things went well. The dog is still outside.

And dad said, you know, nothing can come into this home. And this is now a godly home. And the next- This is God's domain. Yeah, God's domain. And then the next day, my friend texts me, not my friend that he went to their house, but it said, hey, did your parents go to so-and-so's house last night?

I said, yeah, why? What did they do? I know, I was like, why? And she said, well, I'll just call her Mary. Mary's dog died last night. And I was like, oh, my gosh. I was mortified because I was like, okay, what did they do? Now my friend's going to blame my parents for their dog dying.

So I called mom and dad. I said, did you know that so-and-so's dog died last night? So then I call my actual friend that happened to, and she goes, yeah, it died. didn't even come back in the house. So now, fast forward until like right now, like this, in the last few months. How long ago was this? That was in 2019. So we've been now practicing a ministry of deliverance, healing and deliverance, like full throttle here.

And lately the Lord is bringing animals, which is a very bizarre thing that you. you wouldn't really kind of think about. But now reflecting back, we know now that the dog wasn't allowed into the house because it had something in it. They got the dog from their reserve. Probably had a spirit, a demon in it. And it wasn't allowed back in the house. Now, a good friend of mine just recently last month, she had had.

as a cat, has a little cat, and she's had it for a year. And we went down to visit her. And she said, come and visit us. She lives in a different city. I have some people that we want you to pray over. So this person is my first yoga teacher ever. She's now a full-blown Christian. She believes in deliverance.

She's full-on in it. So she's with us. She was with us in our past. And now she's come with us to Christ. And so she said, we want you to pray over somebody. somebody. So we go there. What was he an Anglican priest? Yeah, for 40 years.

Yeah, for 40 years. So he goes, we're, anyway, that's sidetracking. On the same day, we did deliverance on an Anglican priest. Let me tell you, that was gnarly. That was gnarly. That was in the middle of a day, too, and I'm like, oh. Let's stick to the animals. They'll stick to the animals.

So in the same day, though, in the same couple hours, Anglican priest and then the cat. So at the same time, my friend's like, could you also pray for my cat? No, it doesn't like anybody except me. It bites you when you put your hand down. Yeah, and it attacks people. She has worship every month and they all come. And she's like, just don't touch the cat.

This cat will attack you. But the cat loved her. She loved the cat. Anyway, could you pray over the cat? So dad takes the cat and prays over the cat, puts oil on them and everything. So, but even when you prayed over him afterwards, he still tried to bite you. Yes, right. Anyway, so a couple weeks later, two weeks later, she texts me.

I said, how are you doing? She was terrible. I'm devastated. I'm devastated. My cat died. I was like, of course it's it. I was like, no. I know.

And I was like, no, please, no. And she was devastated. So dad, though, knew Got her new cat? No, dad, no, dad knew that there was a demon in the cat. You knew when you were praying over it again? Yes, okay. And so, so a week later, she was going to come down.

We have a camper, like a lake lot. We have like a place we go, like on the lake. Anyway, so her and her son were going to come visit us, and they come and visit us, and she's still devastated about the cat. Yeah. And so dad said, I really have to tell you something about your cat. She just couldn't let it go. Like it was really bothering her.

And she was devastated. So she tells us the story of it. One night, in the nighttime, she gets up to go to the bathroom and the cat usually follows her. And it didn't this time. So she went back into her room and she looked at her bed and her cat was sitting on the bed, but it looked bigger. It was a black cat. She said, he looked bigger. And it looked like he was wearing a little vest.

And I was like, oh, it's weird. And he was grinning at me. And she was like, that just stood out to me. And then she goes over to the cat and she picks him up to hug him. And it's kind of dark in the room. And the cat flew out of her arms and jumped down and went into the kitchen. And she was like, oh, maybe she thought she had a mouse in her house. so she thought the cat was trying to get the mouse.

So she heard all this commotion. She goes into the kitchen, and as soon as she's walking, she gets this flash vision across her eyes of a pentagram. And she disturbed her. She was like, oh, my, where did that come from? Cat was in the pentagram. Is that what she said? Yeah.

Okay, she didn't tell me. The cat was... In the pentagram? Yeah. Okay. But it disturbed her because she was like... Sacrificed in the pentagram. And because she said...

Jeez. Yeah. So she was like, is it? me? Like when she saw this thing, it's like, anyway, so this is only a few minutes apart. He was perfectly healthy and fine on the bed. She goes into the kitchen, turns on the light, and he's on the ground, and his back legs can't move. He sprawled on the ground, like almost pulling himself off the floor. So she puts him in a blanket and takes him to the vet in the nighttime. And then he died there. I think they had to put him down because they said that he had blood clots all on his legs.

Dad said it was a demon in the cat and the fact that the pentagram came across her eyes was like whoever she got the cat from. Cat litter. Yeah, the cat litter or something around that woman that had all these cats. A witch. And then so on the bed when she went and saw her cat, he looked a little bit bigger and like wearing this little jacket. She was like he was sitting like he's never sat before. It sounds like something out of Alice in Wonderland. Yeah.

Yeah, and that's what she said. She goes, he was grinning like the Cheshire cat. And so she said, what do you mean? Like, was that my cat? And dad said, no, that was the spirit of the witch. Wow. And she said, now that she's a reflecting on this, she's like, sometimes he would come up to me in the day. And he would like paw at her.

And it was like, that was the real cat. She saw moments of the real cat. But here's the great thing. I think, I think this. my opinion, so I don't know if I'm right or not, but I do believe that that cat set free. You know, I think, because dad prayed over it and then it died. Dad said, you know, nothing can... So let me pray over your animals.

I know. I will not. But now that we're figuring it out, it's like, I think it's also important for us if we do have animals, please pray over them. Before you even get an animal, pray over them. I'll caveat that, like... you can heal animals, right? So I have a situation where I got called to a person and said,

oh, this gentleman, his sister wanted me to, she drove for 12 hours to come see me. But I had done a deliverance session on him for him and healing session for him. And he was so, let me say, enlightened by it, I guess. that he was set free, that he said, can you help my sister? I said, well, I don't know. The Holy Spirit can help. Yes, tell her to come. She had a terrible life, traumatized, physical trauma,

for bad marriages, like really bad stuff. And she had a little puppy with her when I met her. A little Yorkie. Little Yorkie. And she said, we set up this appointment for her to have a deliverance session, prayer and deliverance. So he's interviewing her and getting to know her a bit. She says, you don't mind if I hold the dog. The dog is really attached to me.

She told me the story about the dog. The dog, she raised pups to make some money and stuff. And there was two big dogs next door that got loose. And I don't know if it killed the mother. father of the pup litter. It killed everyone except just one survived. That little one.

And it wouldn't eat? It wouldn't eat on its own. It was traumatized. Probably traumatized from what happened. And so she had to hand feed it and all that. Look after it like a little infant,

basically. It was about a year old at pup. And so during her deliverance session, the partner that I had, the lady that I'm working, I work with. She works with me sometimes now,

but she was glad to hand the mantle to me. Right? And so I love her, but she's going to come back and work with me. She don't know it yet. So she said, oh, let's pray for the puppy too, right?

Instead of just for the lady, right? And I said, yeah, okay, we'll pray for the puppy. and 10 minutes to go by, the session is over, 10 minutes to go by, we're sitting and having tea, and she's doing this. I was kind of looking at her, and what's she doing? I said, what are you doing? She said, I haven't been able to breathe out of my right nostril for years and years and years because my nose was broken so many times.

And she said, now I can breathe. So she was getting a physical healing, and the next day, I wanted to give her a card before she left town and stuff. And I went over and see her brother and she was there. She came bouncing out of the room. And before that, she was on many medications. She wasn't, she was like not woven very well and all that. She told me she played pickleball twice in the morning.

She didn't have any puffers or anything. So she's getting a physical healing all over. And so you know the crazy thing about it, Tony was the pup got healed. Wow. And could eat. Eat on itself. She was so excited about a puppy. She was crazy.

She said, it's wonderful. Like, it's wonderful what you did. And I said, oh, wow. So animals can be healed and they can be possessed. Just like remember in the gospel? One member, the demons go into. Remember the Legion. Yeah, I said, please send us into the pigs.

So what I'm finding is an animal that is under oppression or possession can't be in the presence of God. Interesting. So when you bless a home, when you anoint a home and dedicate it for the work of God, totally. Like, remember Jesus said, the kingdom of God is come near you? when the healing takes place, the kingdom of God is there in a person's home. Now, if you have an infected animal,

you can't come back in, it can't stay in that home. It has to leave. And the demon has to leave. So the demon tears the animal life away. Wow.

So I have a situation for my childhood that I want to bring up because I have no proof of any of this, but what you're saying is something I have never thought of before. When I grew up,

I grew up in a trailer park, we were very poor. Everybody, I'm not just my family, everybody in the trailer park. I knew you. Ours was like holes in the ceiling. No, I know. Like my dad would send me up on the roof

like once a fixed rain. Well, yeah, it was like in the fall, I'd have to go. up and take like this silver coating and coat the roof for the wintertime so when the snow was on there it wouldn't melt and leak through the roof yeah um so i had a dog and he his name was tucker and he would jump through the door to attack people he would jump through windows to attack people we had a duct tape our our storm door because it was Just fill the tolls. And he bit several kids in the neighborhood. He would, when we would come home and he would have busted like a glass bowl and ate it,

ate an entire bottle of aspirin. Yeah. Things that you think would kill a dog. Chocolate. You know, they say he kills dogs. He was. Indestructible. Indestructible.

There was a, a fan. family down the road and they had a dog, his German Shepherd named Tank, he was a huge dog. And he came wandering into our yard one day. I wasn't there for my dad had taken the dog out at night. And Tucker just took off and you heard it happening. And Tucker came prancing back. He was a very violent dog. And legally, we had to put him down. Yeah, right. And I was persistent. I remember the night before we had to put him down, you know, you love the dog. Even though it's a problem dog, you love the dog. And I felt sad that I was going to lose my dog the next day.

And this dog never would cuddle, wouldn't let you pet him. He just was his own creature, just existing. And the night before we put him down, I was laying on the floor, and he came over to me and cuddle up against me and just laid on me. and was just acting like your pet, like a dog. Yeah. And my whole life I felt like he sensed that he was going to be put down and he was saying, sorry, you know, even though I didn't really have an understanding that.

And even as an adult and stuff, I don't think about it like that much. But with how you just describe things and my understanding of the supernatural realm and how there is communication amongst these entities, whatever was if he was possessed and you just said he was possessed whatever was in him knew that that body

was going to be expired the next day and left and allowed him to be just the normal dog that's wild that's wild holy cow yeah I knew it looked at wild

but remember when I was said the connection between humans and animals in the beginning of the podcast and I feel that the earth gave us that connection But see that the demonic realm knows that connection too.

All they are looking for is blood, a circuitory system, something to feel alive that breeds and that, right? That's why the demons said to Jesus, please don't send us to the abyss. Please let us go to the animals. They're still doing that. Wow. Still doing that.

And the animal dies because it's in the presence of God. All those pigs died because they're in the presence of God. Those animals that cat and dog were talking about here died because they're in the presence of God. That's wild. That's crazy, isn't it? Yeah. And for all the animal lovers out there, like I love animals,

just be careful when you're picking out animals. going to get rescue animals because you have no idea where they're coming from. If there's practices being done, where they're coming from. Like Patty mentioned rescue dogs, reserve dogs. We know what's happening there with the sweat lodges

and the spirits that are called in, right? And I can look at an animal now. I can look at a dog or usually dies. I can see the nervousness in their eyes and I can look that in, I can see it in a human being that has a spirit. Oh yeah.

Especially now. So it's the same look. And also, because now we do like healing and deliverance like full on. I mean, dad could be, dad could have an appointment every day. Yeah.

Of every day. Every day. Until the end for how much deliverance people are wanting. There's thousands. Wow. So he's retiring this year? Yes. And he's not going to be bored because he doesn't even have time to keep up with all the appointments.

So you're not retiring. You're just going on full time. Yes, yes. But it's interesting what he said about the eyes because when we're now, not so much me, but more are you, but praying over people and delivering people. Yes. When he's speaking to actual spirits, like sometimes they'll speak. Yes. Dad will have to stop and tell the person to look into dad's eyes.

So, and you can see the spirit if it's still there. Yeah. You were talking a little bit about this before. I can't remember exactly, because I know you said some things. You're like, I don't want to talk about that on the show, though. But if I bring something up, don't mention the name. Because you did say how, you know, you went through deliverance, Patty. But I think it was a friend that went through deliverance that looked, it looked completely different than what you were.

And that was like your first exposure to like, oh, this is a little. It was big, yeah. A little big, yeah. Yeah. It's a little big. So the first few times I was involved in deliverance with my parents. When Russ is there, you remember Russ? Oh, yeah.

So Russ used to, Russ had a conference one time in New York. And there was a bunch of people there from Camloos, B.C. in Canada. And a woman manifested in the back row, right? And she manifested. And I remember what Russ said. He said, this is where to do. rubber hits the road. It's go time.

Yeah, it's go time. Yeah, go ahead. But you know what, though? Like for the first few times, I did deliverance with you and mom. Deliverance doesn't have to mean manifestation. Like, people don't have to manifest. And those few times, like, there were just a few things maybe that happened to these people. Maybe they tightened up or, you know, like it wasn't like, I guess out of a movie or something.

But people don't have to manifest. So the first few times, it was, I thought it was pretty big. But then one time recently, it was a good friend of mine, actually, she asked for deliverance. And I wasn't prepared for what I saw. But the Lord, like, now I'm like, okay, now I can, now I'll be okay for future things. That's right. Because, yeah, it was, you know how, I don't have my words for it, but other, another thing was speaking. Like the voice changed?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in that moment, that was your first, I'm assuming your first experience on that kind of level. Yeah. You know, we operate in a confidence that is supernatural. But in those moments, you're still in your flesh. was there was there a part of you that was scared in that moment yeah i said to my mom and dad like

there were moments in that session that would just come into my mind because it was going on for a long time like the session was long and i was thinking in my head like i don't think this is going to end like i almost had doubt like doubt was creeping in i think that was the enemy though you know like that was the enemy because faith and belief is such a huge Yes, because I was like, because when this person started speaking, I was like, oh, no, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, how are we going to, what are we doing here? How do we get rid of this? And there were a moment of like, we're going to be here until tomorrow morning.

But that's not the case. It ended perfectly on time when it was supposed to. So it was a confirmation to me to have faith, but definitely doubt and a little bit of scared. Some of the details that would be important to share too. The person involved. I just didn't want to bring up like confidentiality. Confidentiality. Yeah.

But it's, it usually stems from childhood and trauma in the child. So, and these things get a full hold and they come in. I think you said one time, and I said this to Tony last time I was on, like, when there's any trauma, especially as a child, it's like blood in the water for sharks, and the sharks are demons. So it's like as a child, if someone is traumatized, the demons just like flock there. They know there's an opening. It's like there's a, I can gain a foothold.

And whatever that may be, like we have to deal with, and they're very specific spirits. So you can hear this person's kind of story. So you just let them speak like what's happening. Dad will get them to like write kind of like Soul ties Soul ties like you would write on a piece of paper like two columns like soul ties

and over here would be forgiveness think about people in your life that you kind of have soul ties to it could be anything Can you describe what a soul tie is then because you said it several times now and I think I understand what it means but yeah rather just sure So you know it's the silver cord

So when your soul is interacting with another soul, there's a connection that's made in the spirit realm. Not so much in the physical realm, but in the spirit world, you're connected, especially with relationships, like husband-wife, personal relationships. But it could even be like teaching. or anyone that has an impact in your life. That's right.

That you can reflect in your life and be like, oh, this person actually is impactful in my life for some reason. That would be considered a soul tie. It's kind of like tied. Either negative or positive. Okay. So sole tie itself isn't a negative or positive thing. It depends on what the tie is. What the tie is.

Okay. So when I start deliverance with a person, I want them to go back over their life. and see who comes up as a negative influence and then write that person's name down and just go to the list. Sometimes I'll use even a prop, like a piece of paper or something, tissue paper, break it, right?

But normally I don't do that, I just will break that now in the spiritual realm, cut it, right? cut the cord basically. It's like a covenant. It's cutting you, connecting you to the other person. Yeah. We'll cut that cord.

That way, all that's dissolved, gone from the person. So for example, so say if someone has a negative soul tie to someone, maybe someone got abused when they were young. And in that moment, that soul tie, that person, that demon came in and put like shame in that little person. or they put guilt or like not feeling worthy enough

shame fear rejection so it could be anything so the moments when people write down on their list like they write down a lot of people for some people

it could be parents it could be teachers it could just be like this weird random person you met that you still have like a weird connection to yeah especially psychics and New Age stuff, too. And then on the other column is forgiveness. So like...

The hardest part for someone is to forgive abusers, right? Yeah. And somebody that had a terrible negative influence in their life. That's the hardest part. And that lady that I talked about with the little dog, that was her difficulty because of the abuse she suffered, right? But once she got through that, she was fine. And it's like they write them down on the list, all the people they have to forgive.

Because we also had another person that, honestly, I don't know if like I could forgive some of the stuff they've been through. So we tell them, we're not asking you to forgive them right now, but just put them on the list and the Lord will help you forgive them eventually. Which is supernatural in its own. Right, right. But the intention is you're putting them on the list with the intention. tent for one day to forgive them. Okay. So we're talking about time now.

One day ahead. That gentleman that sent his sister to me, when I was, he called, he texted me and he said, are we still up for today, Thursday at whatever? I said, yeah, sure, come over. And I looked at my time that he texted me and it was 11-11. And that's time. Uh-huh. 11-11.

And that's a new age time. In the new age, it's very big, right? It's supposed to be connected to angels and supposed to be mean, great things and stuff like that. You're special, right? You see that on digital clocks all the time. So when he texts, his text came in, it was 11-11. I looked at my stove clock and it was 11-11. I said to my wife, she was making coffee.

I said, this is going to be interesting? And so he came over. and finished this session went fine. I showed him my phone. I said, do you see what time you text me today? I said, so that's broken. Whatever connection, that was, they were trying to interfere

and kind of saying we're here, right? We own him, you know. And so he went home, and the next day I went to work. Before I went to work, I got up early, and I was getting ready for work, and I looked at my phone. And the text that he sent to me, the time had changed on it. It was 1110 now. So it's no longer 11, 11, 11 is 11.10. So God can change time

When people are redeemed Even in He controls everything So he The gentleman that I Worked on He went out of town on a trip I phoned them

Later that afternoon I said can you check your cell phone for me He looked at the cell phone I said what time is on it He said 1110 I said That's not the time we were working in change the timeline

so they manipulate electronics too they can manipulate all your electronics but God can turn it back and fix it definitely experience the electronic stuff yeah so that's something I learned recently that God can renew that fix that

doesn't have to be like that change your life but I was wondering if just the healing deliverance part You could just, maybe they already know this, but just in terms of like the legal, like it is a legal contract. Contract. Like, deliverance is legal. Because demons are legal.

They have a legal right, but people don't know this. When I work with someone, I kind of tell them that when you're coming to see me, you're technically walking into a courtroom. So picture yourself, picture yourself in a courtroom. there's a judge on the bench there's a prosecuting attorney and there's a defense attorney so the prosecuting attorney is the enemy

that's accusing you all day long of what you did and what you're doing and what you don't repent from your defense attorney is Jesus who paid the price for you

the judge we know who the judge is Almighty. Almighty. So now you're standing in this courtroom. So what do you have to do to free yourself from this prosecutor? Because he has contracts on you. He has all the paperwork on you. He's going to stand up there and say, well, Mr. So-and-so or Mrs. so-and-so,

I have this on her. I have that honor. I have this on her. I also have that you're not forgiving this person. You're not forgiving that person. Remember in Revelation says all the books were opened and many books were open? So he has books on us too, the prosecutor, Satan. He has books and these demons are writing in the books about us.

We can't lie our way out of it. We can't back our way out of it and say, oh, I didn't do this. I don't feel like that. I didn't mean this. Actually, your heart said otherwise. We made a note. Yes, yes. Right?

So this is what I kind of get people's mindset into when they come see me. And this is what we're going to do. We're going to stand with your defense attorney. And he's going to free you of all these charges. He's already done it. But now it's still on paper because you haven't accepted it. It's still there. And but also in the unseen realm, there's like contrast.

made. So we make unknowingly and knowingly covenants in the unseen realm. So it's like, so again, this paper that dad does is over here is soul ties to people. Over here is forgiveness. And all the soul ties you have with people. And it also could be like he said, practices. I could have put yoga down there. I could have put Reiki down there. I could put all the people that I have soul contracts to my teachers. But then over here would be forgiveness. All the people that you have to forgive or hard to forgive. You can't even write their name down. Dad has also had to coax people.

Just please trust me, write their name. I know it's even difficult to write their name. Just please trust me. Just write it. And your defense lawyer over here will take care of it. So what that is is now we're writing on an actual piece of paper. It's a contract. So what you're doing now to the spirit world?

Because what is the scripture that says that is in John, that Jesus is in fact, attorney. It's 1 John 2, I think. Would you be able to look that up? It's like, Jesus is your, he's, Advocate. He's your advocate. First John 2.1, I think. So he, but it does say that. And then also like the accuser in the book of Revelation, he is your, he is prosecuting you. He's an accuser. He goes up and down to the almighty. Accusing you. Day and night. So then he's like, oh, well, Patty didn't forgive this person. She did yoga.

Was it right there, 1 John? Yeah, it's 1 John 2.1. Yeah. My little children, I'm writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous. Yeah, yeah. So he's your lawyer. Yes.

So then when he does the deliverance for the person, we do the whole book, they have this deliverance book. It's so good that you do all these prayers, that you renounce occult activity, you renounce generational curses. you renounce the sins, you also do forgiveness prayers, and then we get them to say all these people's names. We get them to say all these people's names. And then listening to their story, you can pick out the spirits.

So people maybe who have been adopted or didn't feel like the good enough in their family, they would probably have the spirit of rejection. I'm just saying hypothetically. So then we know exactly we've got to pray again. We might make a little note spirit of rejection that person has. I can hear it. We can hear the demon or the spirit of shame. We put these down.

Then after all these things are done, then we can pray directly to these demons. And what makes them so powerful is that people don't believe they exist. Yes. Yes. That makes them powerful. They're not powerful. The Almighty is powerful. He has the power over everything.

thing. And one demon spoke and said, if Christians knew how powerful and how much power they can access from their God, we wouldn't have any power over this world. So I think it's a coming time soon that Christians need to access their power and realize that they have Almighty's power in their hands. because there's something coming down to earth that's going to be a great deception and people are going to be overwhelmed with it and the demonic has got the upper hand because the church is asleep as far as I'm concerned and if people like us now

we came out of the new age and shamanic activity we're developing a ministry now if ministry just fell in my lap that's what he wants me to do and to get the information out to people that are on the fence and wondering what our life has fallen apart and stuff like that right?

You know what just came to my head? I was just wondering because recently we just prayed deliverance over someone who has cancer for that lady at the lake. I just don't want to say your name out loud. Yes. Yes. So we prayed over her in May, June, the end of May. She's had, so how many rounds of chemo?

Like five? I don't know the exact number, but it's almost gone. It's almost gone. Now, I'm not saying that we can, we're not healing anyone. Obviously, the Lord is, and I don't know what case. I'm not saying that we're here to, that you can heal. cancer or heal big diseases. But I don't doubt that the Lord can do whatever he wants.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. He can restore everything. But the greatest thing about that woman that has cancer right now, this is the great thing. And we told her this. She said, even if I'm healed or not, the fact that you've told me about Jesus, that's the great gift. That's a great thing. That's eternal healing.

Yeah. That's right. Yeah, I don't know how much longer, like the disclosure is going to take. It seems like they're dragging it on, isn't it? But we'll wait and if we're still here, we'll be, the more people that know, the better, because they won't be blindsided when it comes. and when I saw the great pyramid in the space and when they showed me when I was on the ship

and I saw that pyramid it all fell in place for me like this is total this is total deception they're deceiving the whole world right they deceived the Egyptians they came and helped them build that

and what's running the world basically they're running the world and they're running the world and they're in league with the powers that be that run the world. So, I mean, we're the only ones that know. We're kind of shouting in the will of us, right?

Because nobody's listening to us because I think we're crazy. Yeah, we're not crazy. We're getting to know the truth. Yeah. And he says the truth will set you free. So there's freedom that we've got to bring to people. Free themselves first and then freed our mind. You know, and demons can be in your mind.

They don't have to be in your body. They can be in your mind. And you can pray against the mind, the freedom of mind. Remember I was telling you about my friend last year before, her little girl, she was telling me that her little girl, she was saying that she was getting attacked a lot, but she was basically saying that there's probably a demon in her. So she was probably five. And, like, they weren't even Christian then.

And she would, like, throw the Bible and say, like, I don't like God. The little girl. Yeah, and she had, like, superhuman strength. And she had, like, the smell would come from her room. It was really, really hard to hear as a little girl. Like, for me to hear that little girl was going through this. So anyway, I told my friend, who's the previously Muslim woman, She's a very good prayer.

That's her gift. And she came to my house with my mom and she said, I'm fasting right now and praying. I don't know why. I said, well, actually, could you pray and fast for my friend's little girl? So she never met her before. She said, yes, absolutely she will. And I don't know how long she fasted and prayed for, but my friend's little girl is healed. She's baptized.

She's never been the same. She reads the Bible every day as a miracle. So my friend who fasted for her, she didn't even need to meet her. No. So. I'm glad you guys came down here to kind of lay this out. A few minutes ago, you were using the example of the legal aspect of it in the courtroom. And I just feel like people need to understand that what you're describing,

is the gospel, you know? And literally you have somebody who, everything you've ever done wrong, every, every, it's like, it's documented, it's documented, and they're bringing this, like, case against you. And it's been paid for you. It said that. It's been paid for.

It's like, um, it's like if you're in court and you, and you, the case has been laid before you and the judge says, all right, this is going to be a million dollars. You're like, I ain't got a million dollars. But Christ is standing there and puts the money on the table. It's like, here you go. But you actually have to take that money and hand it over to the judge.

It's been paid for, you know? It's literally a free gift. But you have to actually receive it. And if anybody wants to know more about this gospel message, they can go to the Confessionalspodcast.com slash gospel, and they can read that entire message there. and if that is something that you do and you read it and it impacts your life, let us know about it.

Email us. We want to know these things. Before we close down, do you guys have anything else you'd like to share? I don't want to leave anything off the table or on the table, however you'll say it. But I know you have a whole lifetime of experiences and stuff, but I feel like if there's anything else that you feel like is on your heart that you want to share before we close down. Feel free because I think we've been going for more than three hours.

Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah, so. Really? Oh, I'm telling you. Yeah. Wow.

It goes by fast and you're having fun. Yeah. I just wanted to add on that about the salvation because I do, because we're witnessing it, like you can have salvation, but still be oppressed. Thank God we have salvation. Thank God. we're actually doing deliverance on a lot of Christians. And I actually think everyone needs deliverance, like I said earlier.

So there's no shame in needing deliverance. My gosh, please don't ever feel like that, that something's wrong with you. We all struggle with not feeling good enough, not worthy enough, shame, et cetera, et cetera. I feel like salvation, if you accept Christ, salvation is a guarantee. But we can still be oppressed as a Christian. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I have several Christian leaders that are friends of mine that are continually going through deliverance. Right.

You know, it's like peeling back layers of an onion, you know? Yes. And it's dissecting family history and transgressions that have been done in the line that these, we talk about legalities, these entities feel like they have legal right to you because of great. great, great, great grandfather who was a warlock and swore the next 10 generations over to Satan, you know, like they want to operate on that legality. And there is a need for that breaking. So I second that. In fact, I think that's something that when I first started hearing about deliverance a long time ago with the show, it was like, I was like, I was like, so, what did you do wrong?

And it's just like, it was like, I didn't understand it. But the more, um, a doctor Laura Sanger kind of broke it down to me and she was really kind of teaching me about it. I was like, oh, wow. So I agree with you. I think, um, I think it's needed and necessary. And I, I think the more people embrace it, the more they'll be able to actually operate in the fullness of what God has called them to do.

sometimes there's spiritual walls that are built up and you don't even know you can't even identify you don't understand you just know there's something holding you back and that can be broken free for sure so it's really encouraging there was one incident that cemented my need to find more about find out more about deliverance and more what's the word I'm looking for? The Catholic Church does exorcisms.

A lady, I don't think you were at that session with me. I was doing a session for a lady and you understood that there was some dark with this lady. And during the session, this is before I was saved, before, in my past. We're in a room and she was on a massage table.

There's probably 10 people around the table. I had, the Lord was working on me during this time. And it was probably three or four years, three years before I quit what I did. I was developing a prayer to ask patients to, or clients to say an answer to, yes or no. So I would ask them, if there's anything in you or around you or oppressing you that doesn't belong to you, do you want it to leave? Do you want it out? Yes or no? In the name of Jesus of Nazareth. They say yes. So as soon as this lady said yes, there was a patio door behind me with blinds, vertical blinds, those big ones, wide ones, on chains hanging out. Three of those blind, before, prior to the blinds coming down, there was a voice came out of the woman.

A guttural laugh, laughter came out of her. It wasn't her. It was a deep, deep down in the pit. Like this is a, what I know now was a high-ranking entity, basically. And so it laughed. But when she said yes, it had to come out, right? and it ripped off, three blinds ripped off the wall off the window in separate locations and crashed down to the floor.

And that was the first manifestation, physical manifestation I ever saw. And the entity that I heard, I knew what it was. And that led me on a road to like, okay, exorcisms, where do I go for this? Right? And I found Derry Prince, which was a good information very back. So the Lord was leading me in good places prior to my saying. And the crazy thing about that is those three blinds falling. It's almost like a mockery of the Trinity.

That's what I asked my Buddhist teacher. I said, what is this is all this mean? Like, is there any meaning to the three blinds being ripped down? He said, yeah, he's mocking the Trinity. And another thing. So this is a Buddhist telling me this. Yeah. And that woman now, the Lord has.

has her. I haven't heard her. Yeah, I know, but I feel like he's working in her life. Okay, good. Yeah. Anyway. So they know about the Trinity. Sure.

You know, he was working in the Buddhist realm and Reiki realm and so. But he said, oh, the demon mocked the Trinity. That's why it's true blinds. I saw good, good information they file, right? Yeah. You know. Any last notes? Last things.

All I can say is even if you know you're saved, you may need to be delivered. And your pets. And your pets. Yes. Oh, and just, it's a hard left term, but I just got to bring it up real quick.

Sasquatch. Oh, wow. You were sure you were to bring it up, but I would bring it up for you. Okay. I forget how it was how you describe that. Sabi. Sabi.

Yeah, is what the, who describes it as Sabba? Sabi. The Cree. The Cree. The Cree. So the Cree is, they actually look at Sasquatch as an actual animal. And they call it Sabbe. And I don't know if they say this or if you say it, but it's it being interdimensional. Do they say it's interdimensional?

Well, they say, yes, interdimensional. Because I have the picture here, but so the seven teachings of the Cree, they call it seven grandfather teachings. And I was, like I said earlier, this teaching, these teachings are in every school in Alberta. Right. I would assume all in Canada, but maybe it's different tribes across Canada. Anyway, so I was working in all the schools and I just found this really interesting. This is even before I was Christian. And I was always around Cree people.

I just never heard them talk about Bigfoot. But in the schools, they had the seven teachings that the kids have to follow. And each animal, there's seven animals, they all have a trait. So it's like love, respect, kindness. So it's like eagle, buffalo, turtle, all of the animals. But then one of them is a Bigfoot, or they call it Sabay. I don't know how to pronounce it properly. S-A-B-E.

And his trade is honesty. And I always thought that was kind of weird even when it wasn't a Christian. I'm like, why do they have the Bigfoot? Because to me, that confirms that Bigfoot is real. Certainly does. And me too. Because all the rest of the animals, the other six animals are real animals. Right.

And then Bigfoot is with it. But anyway, now that I'm a Christian, I'm like, wow, it's interesting that the Bigfoot, his trade is honesty, but actually it's deception. And the inversion of truth. Yes, yes. And it's interesting, too, like, you don't see the big foot over in India. You don't see Bigfoot over in China. You see it in indigenous places. Yeah.

There's a connection. Oh, yes. Yeah. Anyway. I really appreciate you guys to go down. This is a good conversation. Yeah, it was great. Awesome.

Yeah. I wish Joel was here. I'll tell you what. Next time you're in town, I'll make sure Joel is here. He's about four hours from here. Is he? Yeah. Yeah, he's up in Cincinnati.

Oh, very good. Yeah. But I'm hoping one day he moves here. He's blessed young man. I like to meet him sometime. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he makes his rounds.

He makes his rounds. Me and him can kick off a conversation on the Hopi. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. He's on this kick of leaving the country, not forever, but just for adventures. Oh, yeah. Canada has plenty of adventures. Oh, yeah. Maybe we'll do an adventure up there.

Oh, yeah. We'll come to your neck of the woods next time. So, yeah. I appreciate you guys being here. Thank you so much, back. Thank you, Tony. Absolutely. I used to call it to you.

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