The Confessionals - 816: The Fatima Miracle Exposed | LA Marzulli

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

What if the most famous “miracle” in Catholic history wasn’t the Virgin Mary at all, but a UFO event the Vatican never wanted you to question? L.A. Marzulli joins Tony to expose the Fatima apparitions through eyewitness testimonies the Church buried: spinning silver discs, atmospheric distortions, mass paralysis, exploding windshields, and a craft hovering over the apparition site, nothing like the Mary of Scripture. As they unravel this “miracle” through the lens of modern UAP disclosure, the patterns match today’s sightings with chilling precision, revealing Fatima as a test run for the great deception. From there, the conversation turns to another suppressed mystery: the Shroud of Turin, the artifact skeptics dismissed until physics, forensic imaging, and radiant-energy theories began proving its authenticity. Together, these events form a single prophetic thread, supernatural phenomena the world is finally being primed to reinterpret. With disclosure accelerating, LA warns: if Fatima was the dry run, the real deception is next.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] MarzulliWebsite | YouTubeMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Brush Me With Your Light 

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And I will say, just keep your eyes peeled on that website over the next few months, because we're going to be making some changes, and I know that y'all will be very excited about what we're doing. So anyway, without further ado, I'll get to this, because L.A. Marzuli is our guest for today, and I don't want to hold you all up too long. L.A. is a fantastic man of God. It has an incredible career in the paranormal supernatural realm.

He has been releasing documentaries for years, whether it's UFOs, cattle mutilation, the Shrout of Turin. I mean, this man has covered the Gambit, And I can't believe I almost didn't say giants. This man has covered Nephilim everything from, you know, you name it, A to Z. He knows what he's talking about. And so we were very blessed to have L.A. Marzuli join us while we were in Florida. And I'll tell you what, having L.A. Marzuli in a face-to-face conversation is just so much different than when you're on the internet.

He is just a character. And I know you all will enjoy this one. We talked about the Shrout of Turin, the Holy Fire, Fatima. and a bunch of other things along the way. So anyway, without further ado, let's get to L.A. Marzuli right now. Okay, so we'll just officially start the show now. L.A. Marzuli, how are you, sir?

I'm great, and thank you for having me on, Tony. Really appreciate it. Hey, I'm glad you're here. I'm glad you're here in Florida. Yeah, this is cool. We come down here to interview. I think Jonathan Khan is the reason for everybody here. Amazing, ma'am.

Yes. Yeah. I got a chance to talk with him this morning. And he said some things that I was just like, wow, man. Like I've never even considered some of the stuff that he was talking about. But you and I have been talking about getting together for the show again. And it's like, well, why not just do it right here, you know? Very good. And so you're coming in from California, and you got a lot of projects. I mean, that's one thing. You and I talked a few months ago over Zoom. And you shared with me, you shared with me your age, okay? And I was like, I'm your grandfather, Tony.

I'm showing respect, okay? I'm telling you, I didn't say this in the moment, but I was like, I want to have that kind of motor when I get elderly. And, but seriously, like, you just, you're constantly going. And do you think that that is something that's just built into? to you, or is that something that's more divinely driven because you're on mission? Or maybe it's both. Well, the genes and the family, I mean, both grandmothers live to 100. Okay.

My dad was 94. My mother was 94 before they passed. I think it's the Lord. I think it's a combination. He's giving me the energy and the wherewithal to do what I'm doing. I'm a musician. I never in a million years dreamed of writing books or making films. Making films was not even near the radar. And here we are, 32 films later and 15 books. Wow.

So the corpus of work is all because of him and his leading and what he's allowed me to do. And one thing I've learned, I'll be 75 in December, is I'm not doing squat without marching orders anymore. You know, as he'll say, well, you've got to get moving and then I'm a lourable guide you. Well, that's fine. But the Lord speaks to me.

one word. He, like with Fatima in 2017, he gave me one word, Fatima. And I went, oh my gosh, it's a 100-year anniversary of Fatima. And I walked in where my wife wasn't, we're going to Portugal, we're going to Fatima. And she looked at me like I had three heads.

And he got a donation out of nowhere from people we'd never met, which paid for the whole thing. Wow. And we spent two weeks in Fatima, and the Lord opened all the doors. We spoke to the, to the Crem de la Crem,

the top of the, top researchers, they're all PhDs. They've been exploring the whole Fatima apparition and miracles, so-called miracles on, for decades, for decades. And here I am sitting down with people like Joaquin Fernandez, who had written three books with Fina de Armada. And I had read those before, you know, a decade before we went to Fatima. And here I am sitting down with Fina's daughter because she passed away

and Joaquin Fernandez and all these people, it's like it's all the Lord's leading. So all that to say, I don't, I've learned, let me just give you a quick story. Please. So we were going to go across the pond and film. So we had boots on the ground. I was paying boots on the ground to line up.

We had druids, storytellers, archaeologists, all the sites. We had permits to go into places at the public. Everything was set up to go to all. All these different things. And where was this at? It was, we're supposed to go to Ireland. Okay. And we're at the Prophecy Watchers conference in June,

and we're making a film on a shroud because of the whole thing with Holy Fire. So Joe Marino's there, Rush Brayalz there, and we're filming all this stuff, but I digress. So the bottom line is, it's 2 o'clock in the morning, and Lord gets me up like he does every morning now. And I recite my scripture, and I raise my hands, and I worship and pray and do what I'm supposed to do. but in the midst of that he goes he taps me on my shoulder and he goes I didn't tell you to go there so I went down

I'm thinking of myself how I'm going to tell my business partner Gil so my business partner Gil's there our sound guy and my friend Jim Peterson is there and it's just the three of us and I go guys Lord got me up we're not going Ireland and Gil goes oh man it's like I've been trying to tell you this for two weeks

I didn't know how to approach the subject to you and Jim Peterson basically does the same thing wow so from that it's Like, for instance, that's, that's 20, yeah, that's 20, 24. So 2025 was, stop doing conferences. So I did. I canceled 16 conferences this year. And the Lord said, first he said, stop doing the conferences without telling me what the

marching orders. And then the marching orders came in. Focus on the daily show. Focus on the YouTube show. And then he showed me why. So let's see, you hop in an airplane, like, I'm coming here. It's a full day.

A three hour time difference. I'm jet lagged even as I speak. And, you know, you'll show up at a conference, 200 people, 500 people, a thousand people maybe. Meanwhile, and you know this. Our YouTube channel is pulling down tens of thousands of views every day. And I don't have to go anywhere. And the studio is already set up. And it's like, wow, best use of resources.

You know, he really knows what he's doing. That's the deal. I mean, that's why he's God, and he really, and so I've just, at 75 years old, okay, Lord, we're going to, that's what we're going to focus on. There's places I would love to go, but I'm not getting any marching orders. Well, hey, Derek, just take, take L.A. off the list of our conference. We're not going to invite him now. Thank you.

But I'll tell you, like, the landscape of how to do ministry is changing. It is. Absolutely. When I started the show, I had a hard time calling it a ministry because do anything you want with that microphone. I know this is very unprofessional. We didn't bring, we didn't bring Mike arms. Who forgot the mic arms? But I had a very hard time calling this ministry.

I didn't know what I was doing. I'm just like, I'm starting a podcast. You were episode 18, I think, on my show. I was sitting, I was literally at my parents' house one evening. And I was breaking the news to them and what I was doing. I was starting this podcast and everything. I thought they think it was ridiculous. Turns out my dad listens to coast to coast.

And we were talking and he goes, he starts talking about Bigfoot and all this. Like this is crazy. Where was this? Like 20 years ago, right? Like, I would have had a great conversation. And he goes, you know who you should have on your show? Ellie Marzuli.

And I was like, what? And he's like, yeah, you should have him on the show. And I'm like, he ain't going to talk to me. And then I go home that night. And I remember it was like 1130 at night. And I shot you in email. I found your email. I shot it.

Within like 10 minutes, he just said, sure, let's do it. That was easy. Yeah, I was like, man, this podcasting thing is real easy. But yeah, I mean, the landscape is changing. And it's, I think it's wise to recognize that. And not to say that there's not a place for in-person things to do. But it's true. Like, the town square is online.

And you have a platform that's reaching thousands of people every day. Exactly. And it's like, imagine if church was open every day of the week. and you had a church that had 10,000 people showing up, but you only showed up one day of the week. And they're like, hey, shepherd, the flock is saying, hey, shepherd, guide us, and you're not showing up except for one day, right? And so for you to have that connection with God to hear his voice is a big deal,

because, I mean, you've been doing these things for quite some time. It's got to, at some point, I imagine you're self-reflective, and you hear the voice the Lord speaking to you and guiding you this way, And in those moments, it's got to be reassuring that, yeah, I'm on the track that God has for my life, and I've been on it because he continues to speak to me and continues to guide me. I'm not just a voice in the wilderness speaking to myself. You know, speaking of words and things and the supernatural, I had a word a couple of weeks ago, and I'll share it with you and share your viewers. This doesn't happen like every day. It doesn't. Sometimes I'll get a word, and then it might be a year or two before he lets me

have something else that I need. But I was really being oppressed by the enemy, and I couldn't shake it. I mean, I was doing everything I knew how to do, was praying, you know, the blood of Jesus. I mean, the whole deal. And I couldn't, it would just, it would wax and wane. Come in, come out, come in, come out. And so the Lord gets me up like he does every morning. And I read all the scripture and I raised my hands. And I, there's one worship song I sing every day. I raise a hallelujah and the presence of my enemies. I raise a hallelujah, louder than the unbelief. I raise a hallelujah, right?

My weapon is a melody. I raise a hallelujah. Heaven comes to fight for me. And even now, I can just feel, you know, because I'm worshiping, right? Look at my count. That's right. Thank you, Lord. Podcast done.

So it's two in the morning. Lord gets me up. I do my, I do all my praying and reciting of scripture. Which is great, because you're watching, I'm resetting the computer with the word of God. That's what that is. It's in me. And there's a lot of scriptures on fear that he's given me, you know. The Lord will fight for you.

You know, only needs to hold your peace. You know, I'm strong on the Lord and the power of his might. Look to the Lord in his strength. Seek his face always. You know, wait on the Lord, be of good courage. He will strengthen your heart. All those scriptures are, it's part of who I am. It's what I wear.

So I reset the computer and I, you know, I worship and then I go back to sleep and the Lord gives me a word, right? I wake up and Lord gives me a word. Now it's like 3.34 in the morning. And I keep pen and paper right on a nightstand right by the bed. Why? Because I have learned, oh, I'll remember this. No, you won't. Trust me. When you wake up, oh, Lord gave me a word and I don't know what it was. So I write it down. I've got this one paper. The words are wrong. all scroll because it's three o'clock in the morning. Can't turn on the light, wake up the wifie. So it's by the alarm clock and I'm like, anyway, so he gives me a word and it's M-A-G-A-N.

And I go, what? M-A-G-A-N. I'm sitting there going, well, maybe I'm not, is there anybody else up there? You know, it's like, do I, am I tuning into the right thing? So I write it down, I go back to sleep. Next morning I wake up. I look at it and I'm going, Megan? What is this?

So I'm walking in the computer and the Holy Spirit begins to speak to me and he goes, it's Hebrew. Now, he's never done that before. You got to understand that. I know nothing about Hebrew, right? Wow. You know, right? Nothing. Nothing.

He gives me a Hebrew word. Like, what? I look it up and it means to deliver. To deliver. So I'm still under the oppression. The enemy is still attacking. that that word came in Sunday night, Monday morning, 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock, Monday morning. Now it's the next night, so it's Tuesday and the Wednesday about the same time.

I wake up, you know, I'm still being oppressed. I've got the word to deliver, deliver, and I'm still being oppressed. It's not going away. I'm getting weary of it. I get up, I sat the scripture, worship the Lord. I lay my head back down on the pillow. and this was profound because he came in.

I didn't see him, I didn't hear him, but he came in, and it was like, I'm on my side like this, and if I had blinked, I would have missed it, but I could feel his presence just go, like that. And it was gone.

It was totally gone. And then the Holy Spirit said, look up the miracles of Jesus, which is what I did next morning. I got up 37 miracles. And as I'm reading them all, the Lord's showing me this. Okay, let's walk through it.

Miracle of Canaan? He's not blowing to a microphone. Lord, we command. You're not doing that. He just goes, fill up the jars with the water. Foof, done. Blind man, no worries. Poof, done.

Walking on the water, he's not sweating it. Lazarus come forth, not sweating it. You know? everything that he does, get the cougold coins, Peter, go ahead and every single miracle that he does because he's God and because everything is created by him and from him. And you can't stand against that. If he wants it done, he snaps his fingers and it's done. That's it. And that's what happened to me. He came in. There was no, you know, yelling and screaming and pleading, you know, the blood of Jesus. It was just like, boom, gone. Get out. You know. And by.

As Russ Dizzard taught me, get out. Ed Balo, get out. Done. And it was over. And like a blink of an eye. That's the guy that we serve. But when he shows up, everything changes. Everything changes.

So you mentioned several times here about waking up at 2 a.m. And because that's what he does. And I know, I believe you told me this before. And I just can't remember if it was in a private conversation or if it was. If it was on the show. Could you share why he's waking you up? Like, why does the Lord wake you up every morning at a time for you to go and worship? Did I say something to that to you?

I thought that's what you said. What did I say? Tell me. Oh, no, I don't know if you said it on the show. I just recall you saying that you... He just wakes me up. So he just, do you know why, though? That's what I'm asking. The only thing I can really think of, the only reason why he would do it,

is it resets the computer. It gets me ready for the day because usually I'm waking up with weird dreams or something and I wake up and I'm like, or fear, I'll wake up in fear. And no, you're not walking in that. And when I spend time with him

reciting all the scripture, and you know, I'm groggy. It's like, do I have to do? How does this one go again? You know, it's like. Yeah. But I'm resetting the computer. I'm washing my mind with the word.

I'm focused and set in him and ready for the day. And this has been going on for four or five years now without fail, without fail. Wow. And thank God he's doing it. So what we do, our mission statement is to expose the deception of the prince of the power of the air and to herald the return of the king, Jesus. And what's great about circling back to the podcast every day, right, to our show, that's what we do every day.

We expose the deception, and we always bring, most of the time, we bring the Lord into it at some point and talk about or refer to Scripture or whatever. So, I mean, that's what we're doing, which is just fantastic. But we're, you know, we're the tip of the spear in what we do. There's no doubt about that. Not because of me, because he has made the ministry what it is. And you're right. You know, the whole, everything is changing. The church is changing.

And, you know, when you think about it 45 years ago when I first became a Christian, Christian, Sunday morning I would get up, but even before I was married and I would get in the shower, I would get in the car, I'd judge of the church, you know, and I became a worship leader and all this stuff. And I was there for 25 years as a worship leader in different churches. And I loved it. And then the Lord just went, that's what you like to do and you think that that's who you were, but that's not who you are. And then all this, all this came, the 32 films and the 15 books. I, you know, it's all him. The glory, and I say that with all the situations, sincerity. Yeah. The glory is all his. Now, I'm doing it. I'm putting the work in. Don't misunderstand

me. But it's his leading. And for those of you who are watching this, and I know there's people out there, and you don't know who you are or what you're made up, made for. But the Lord knows all that. And he will, if you ask, he will guide your steps. Because I didn't know I was supposed to be doing what I'm doing now. He did. And so here we are. Yeah. And it takes, I believe that in your shoes where you're at, me on a lesser extent, I've not done nearly as much as you have. You don't get this far into the ministry without recognizing seeing who's building the ministry and the supernatural origins of it. Absolutely. And I do wonder, and I've never studied this or anything, but I do wonder, you see the cases of, like, leaders in the Christian faith that are, that,

fall. And I bet majority of the time, and you can talk about the specific sin that they fell with and whatever, and they lost their ministry, the origin is probably pride. They become prideful of themselves, who they are. And that leads to the fall. And so that's why, like, when I'm doing this stuff, and even with what I do, like, you get a lot of people saying, you know, your shows this, your shows that. It's amazing. You're amazing. And it's just like, I appreciate. It is. I appreciate the appreciation, right? But as time has gone on, I'm trying to be deflective and just reflect back to Christ, right?

Yeah. Because, I mean, I personally was an entrepreneur before I started a podcast. I was a trucker, but I did several businesses, and they've all failed. This is the only thing, though, that God said, this is what you're going to do. I did it reluctantly, but it was successful. And so there is a real place to acknowledging. the Lord's hand in the ministries. You mentioned about Fatima. And I was wondering if there's anything that maybe, is there anything up to date on that? Because I was going to move into the

shroud. And I'd like to do that as well. But you brought a Fatima in a way. And I have a, my audience is growing on YouTube. And I have a hard time at this point where we're at discerning who knows what. But I do know that there's a lot. a lot of people who are followers of deceptive leaders out there when it comes to the alien agenda that are following me. And so if maybe you could share with people what Fatima is, and then maybe if there is anything else to share from that supernatural trip, I would say, that you went on. Yeah, it was definitely a supernatural trip, no doubt about that. Circling back to what you said about the, it's either the girls, the gold, or the glory.

And that's, you know, and we all have to watch all three. constantly. Yeah. Because, you know, it's like, oh. Yeah. It's so easy because we're all human and we're just like that. So that's why, you know, he gets me up at 2 o'clock in the morning because I'm a sinner saved by grace and I need him.

And the other thing is, you know, he doesn't really need us. Have you ever wondered, and I'll get to the Fatima thing? Sure, yeah. I remember reading when I finally got to the book of Revelation, 45 years ago, I'm reading the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. And then there's a lot of problems in the old testament. for me. Like, who's this knowing? Why is he destroying? Who are these people? You know, why is God confusing the language? Why does he wipe out all these people in Canaan? Who is this guy?

Yeah. He's wrathful. He's vengeful. He's maniac. That's never story. But when I forgot to Revelation, you know, the elders are throwing their crowns down. What the heck is with this? Because I didn't understand. Now I totally get it. You know, we cast the crown down because we know it's like he's playing catch with us. Here, boom, go do this. But throw it back to me. Don't hold the ball. Don't think that it's your ball because it's not. Yeah. You know, throw it back and I'll throw it back to you. We'll play catch. And that's, that's what your ministry is. Yeah. That's what every ministry that flourishes is because he's throwing us stuff and we're just throwing it back at him. Wow, I caught it. Hey, Lord, check this one out. Yeah. And we throw it back to him. So Fatima is 1917. World War I is raging.

The Bolsheviks have just deposed the Tsar, and communism is going to kill 70 million people in the following decades. Go figure. So much for the Workers' Party, right? Yeah. World War I was raging. Airplanes are beginning to be seen and used in warfare. It's a mess. The whole world is just like, and Europe especially, is wondering, are the communists going to come in here?

So in Portugal, there is a... a group of psychics who are using the occult technique of automatic writing. And what that is is they're all in a circle and they're all meditating and calling the spirit guides in. I want to think of Rocky and Bullwinkle. I won't go there. But, you know, one guy begins to write automatic writing. His hand is taken over by the spirit and he writes this thing upside down like Da Vinci.

You can only see it in the mirror. And basically it says something wondrous is going to happen on, what is it? On May 13th. On May 13th. And this is written, I think, in February. And they publish it in the national newspaper. Meanwhile, another group of psychics are getting the same message. Something wonderful.

So they publish it. So automatic writing is an occult technique. We're forbidden to do this because we're letting a spirit in. that's a no-no. And I've actually been, and I've seen the actual handwritten, the original handwritten document. So May 13th happens, and you have these three kids. Lucia, who's 10, Francisco is 9, and Yacintha is 7.

They're little kids, they're illiterate, they're shepherds and shepherdesses. That's what they are. They're outtending the sheep. All of a sudden, this entity, this woman, appears to them. She's wearing a dress or a skirt that falls right below her knee. Women in 1917 all throughout the world in Western civilization wore dresses that went to the top of their shoes. And they ask her, who are you?

And she doesn't say her name. She says, I'm from. Where are you from? I'm from the sky. She never says heaven. How do we know this? Because the parish priest, Father Fierra, had the witnesses, had the girls and everybody else who was involved. write things down. So he would question them, and he would write these, the testimonies down.

We have that. That's in the sanctuary at Fatima. And so they go back and they tell their parents, we saw this entity, and the parents say, well, who was it? They don't know. And the entity tells them, come on the 13th of every month. So May, June, there's people there in June waiting to see. Only the kids can see her. Lucy and Justin can see the apparition and hear her. Francisco can only see her. Why? Because the entity gave them something to eat and drink. Lucia and Yesinta ate and drank. Francisco only eight. So that's why he can see her, but he can't hear her. So now you've got a 10-year-old and a 7-year-old trying to make sense out of all this, but something is there. There's also something is called the Fourth Witness,

which is never talked about. I was just on a, I cross swords with a gentleman who was a student of Fatima and the defender of Fatima. And I asked him, have you ever heard of the fourth witness? And of course, he never has, because he's never done the deep dive. He's only, he's only looked at what the powers that be show. But there's a fourth witness. Wow. Her name was Carolina Carina. And she was out tending sheep. And she looks up and there's, there's this androgynous figure with blonde hair. There's no blonde hair in Portugal. Running at the base of tree, same tree that the entity would then appear to Lucia, Francisco, and Jacinta.

And the being begins to communicate telepathically with Carolina. And she's terrified. And she looks back at the sheep, and the sheep are all paralyzed. Where have I heard this before? And then she looks back up at the tree, and he's now, this androgynous being is no longer at the base of a tree. Now it's floating on top of the tree. that's the same tree that the entity appears at two or three weeks later. Same tree.

Carolina is never questioned. She goes into obscurity. Fina di Armada, who was an incredible researcher. And really on Fina de Armada and Joaquin Fernandez, their books were the nexus for me with Fatima. That's what I went to school on. And then I got to interview everybody when I went over there. So May 13th, June 13th, by the time it gets to July, the crowds are swelling, the empties appearing, strange astronomical things are happening.

People are seeing flying hats. Now, what does that sound like? Flying hats. So you look up and you see a flying hat because you've never seen an airplane. Because airplanes exist, but not in Portugal. Maybe one or two, maybe. in in Lisbon, maybe.

But most people, in Fatima's way of the north, never seen any type of aerial phenomenon at all. Yeah. So we're seeing flying hats. We're atmospheric conditions. So in, so May, June, July, August, the kids are interned in prison, threatened to be boiled in oil

unless they recant. They won't do it. And so September comes, and the crowds are swelling like crazy. And all the, magistrates and the mayor and the priests and the it's this whole they're all trying to figure out what's going on tell the entity to give us a sign so the kids go back he talked to the entity we need a sign and as he says there'll be a sign on october october 13th 1917 the crowd swell 70 000

75 000 people and it's been raining that's incredible it's been raining all night everything is a sea of mud it's the moors it's a sea of mud there's umbrellas everywhere how do we know that because Joshua Benolio, the King's World Photographer, even though it's a Republic, but the King's photographer still remains with the title at any rate. He's there with the old wooden box camera. He takes 12 photographs of the event. There's 70,000 people spread out. It's been raining all night. Where's the apparition? What's going on? Finally, at 1 o'clock, something begins to change. Right around noon, it begins, and then at 1 o'clock, something really dramatic happens. So at noon, it stops raining, roughly around that time, stops raining, the sun comes out.

But then a cloud moves in front of the sun. And then from that cloud comes an object, a spinning disk. How do we know that? Father Fierre, the parish priest, the handwritten testimonies from the eyewitnesses. He wrote them all down. Here's what they said. I looked up and saw a dull silver disk. What is that?

You tell me, a dull silver disc is a UFO. We call it a UFO or a UAP now. In 1917, there was nothing, end of vernacular in the lexicon, to pin it as a UFO. I saw a flying hat. I saw a spinning disc. Witness after witness, the disc began to spin and throw out all sorts of color lights.

It came down and closed to the earth, and then went back up again. It did this three times. So the official story is the sun came down. Well, the sun didn't move. we'd all be obliterated. If the sun is big, you know, as a watermelon and the earth is a pea, that's not going to fly. And it was only a local event, but something supernatural happened.

There's no doubt about that. And we have, we actually published in our film on Fatima, the, one of the original pictures from Joshua Benolio. There's a gentleman who is a professor of semiotics. That means he studies film. and photography and all the stuff. And so he comes on the record. He had access to the sanctuary at Fatima where all the documents are kept,

including the 12 pictures. Now, when I say pictures, they're glass plates. Joshua was taking. This is old stuff. So he goes to look at the glass plates. No one can find them. It's exactly like the end of the Raiders of a lost ark.

When they take the thing, the ark and a crate, and they go down and they make a left-hand turn. Same thing. It takes them three hours to find the glass plates. They're locked away in a closet in the back room someplace. Getting dust. I mean, right?

Yeah. It's just unbelievable, unbelievable. So he has access, and he looks at them, and he goes, oh, my gosh, he sees an object in one of the glass plates. We published it in our film, and we grill them on it. Are you sure it's not a chemical burn, a scratch? No, it's a disc. Not making this up, folks. It's a disc-like object to, to,

directly above the apparition site. And the film, he's like way back here, way back, probably 100 yards. And this is an old camera. It's not like an iPhone. He can't zoom in. He's way back here. The apparition sites way up here. It's dinky.

The apparition sites are like this big in the picture. But the disc like object is directly above. And on that day, October 13, 1917, you never hear anything about this either. car windshields exploded. Cars burst into flames, spontaneous combustion. When the object passed over the people, we call it the flyby. Their clothes were all wet. Guess what?

The clothes dried, the ground beneath them dried. And the next day, people had sunburn on their faces. It's just like Richard Dreyfus leaning out the window and looking up. Yeah. Am I making this stuff up? All that, all that is pushed aside. never hear anything about it because it's been dressed up in Catholic clothes, and this was Mary of the Bible.

Gotcha. And it's not Mary of the Bible. This is why we call it, you know, harbinger of deception. There's that word harbinger. Thank you, Jonathan Cohen. Yes, sir. But it's a harbinger of deception. We believe, I believe, it was a UFO event.

And then strange phenomena when the clothes dry, the flyby, the burns, the windshield's exploding, all sorts of crazy stuff was happening. that day. So it was a supernatural event. It was a test run. It was a driver. And you know what? 70,000, when you see the pictures, 70,000, and there's one picture in particular that Joshua Benoio took, it's a, it's a tableau. There's probably six or seven people, and I'm a student in the body language, and you look at the faces, and they're all experiencing something. One looks with wonderment, like, what am I looking at? Another is like with, with like, I'm eyes wide open and the hands are folded in prayer. You know, they're worshipping.

Another man's like this. Skeptical, right? Just kind of skeptical. Another woman is like, you know, with rosaries. They're all experiencing something. Do you think they were experiencing something different in that moment? And I'll tell you why. In Conyers, Georgia in the 90s, an apparition was appearing in Conyers, Georgia, right here in America, right?

And so all these people were flocking to the apparition site. This woman called me up or emailed me, and she said, I was there with my fiancé at a time, and we're shoulder to shoulder and a sea of people. All of a sudden, this thing happens. I look up and I see a religious figure. Now, my fiancé is right next to me. He looks up and he sees a UFO. How is it possible?

How is that possible? And this is where we are. No one, in our film on Fatima, I show other so-called, miracle of the sun events. That's the same thing. No one's rebuking first, ask question later. There's one in Knock Ireland where you see this object just coming down. And the woman's screaming, oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. And she's in tears and she's on her knees. Oh, and then the wailing and it's just like insanity. And it's the same way every time this thing happens because no one's, no one's standing up going, excuse me, and the name of Jesus,

get out of here. No one's rebuking first, asking questions later. So the phenomenon, just continues. And we show in modernity all these so-called sun apparitions. And they're everywhere. India, Klyne's Georgia, knock Ireland, down in Africa someplace, I forget the place. It's unbelievable. All right. Let's take a second to talk about our sponsor today, which is simply safe. Let me ask a question. If you could stop somebody from breaking in your home before they got inside, would you do it? Of course you would. Most old school systems go off after someone's already in your place and that's too late. Simply safe is different. It's a proactive, self-double layer of defense that stops crimes before they start. First, AI-powered cameras stop potential threats outside.

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That's simplysafe.com slash confessions and lock in your discount. There's no safe like SimplySafe. So Fatima, like you greatly pointed out, was a test run. And we're seeing. In my opinion. Hey, right there with you. We're seeing the uptick of the UFO, UAP culture right in time for I don't want to say dissection.

What's the word of? Disclosure. Right. You know, it's like disclosure started in October, 2017. 2017. 100 year later. Holy cow. There you go.

I love when the light bulb goes off, right? Oh my gosh, it's 100 years. Right? Light bulb. Wow. Right. Wow. That's when disclosure starts.

That's when it starts. And we're seeing the rollout of, since then, we're seeing this rollout of this spiritual aspect and component of disclosure. And it seems like there's this war behind the curtain almost, where there are people that are trying to get to the truth, trying to expose truth. There's other people that are trying to give truth that they want and hold back other stuff. And it's like we're on the outside seeing flashes of light in the sky of a war off in the distance that we know that's happening, but we just can't see all the action at one time. You know? And

see you said good analogy and it distract me. I was like, oh, L.A. said I had a good analogy. What was I going to say? There goes that analogy. Gone. But it just feels like we're experiencing this situation and there are people out there who are having experiences that are very public that are mirroring almost Fatima. And it's concerning because with Fatima, you're talking about the Mother Mary. And then with other people's experiences, they're mirroring that or even saying as to Holy Spirit. And it's just like the same playbook, just a different day. Yeah. And without disparaging Chris Bledsoe, Chris, you can come on my show or Tony anytime. We'll give you a fair shot. And we're not disparaging you. But we believe that this lady that you're seeing is very

similar. Yeah. And it's false. Trust me, it's false. What you think is benevolent and good. It's not. you're being deceived. And so, you know, he's got this huge platform now. And people are flocking to it. And it's like a little almost like cult-like around him because he's in communication with this thing. But you need to be careful because it's not who you think it is. I say that with all due respect, Chris, if you see this, we love you, man.

But give me a call. We'll talk. We'll talk. We'll talk to Tony. He'll talk with you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, ultimately, I feel like there is a call. to return to salvation there. You know? Like, that's ultimately how I feel about that whole case. Because I, I 100% believe that he went through what he went through. Oh, absolutely. No doubt about it. The experience that he had, the experiences that the people have had, continue to have.

It's very real. I just don't think it's good. No. And I think that there is a call to return back to Christ. And no matter what the following is of his teachings are now, I think Christ could magnify his, Christ could magnify his pull and his influence on people. That's miraculous.

You know, it doesn't, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be done the way you believe is going to be done. But it all takes, it takes you humbling yourself before the Lord and recognizing when you, when you misstepped. And we've all been there. I've been there plenty of times. I can't tell you many times I've done things with my show where afterwards I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have done that one. But anyways, let's shift some gears a little bit. So the Strato Turn, you know, I literally just came out with an episode two weeks ago on it.

And it's something that I have been very interested in for many years. But I was always under this idea that, oh, that's been disproven. it's it's hoax or whatever. And then some of the new information coming out about it, I was like, oh boy, it kind of breathed new life in it for me. And you're coming out with a DVD about it, right?

Yeah, we have the film took about a year to complete. And I want to thank my business partner, Gil Zimmerman, who really brought the film across the fetish line. Yeah. It's, you know, it's hours and hours and hours in the edit booth and trying to cobble together a story. So, you know,

I've been a student of a shroud for, 45 years. Ever since I was a first, you know, my first days as a born-again Christian, I went to a Christian bookstore, and there was the book on Mishrown with his face, and I was drawn to it. I didn't know anything about Mishrown. I just, what's that? And I was instantly drawn to it because that was Jesus.

There's his face. And so I bought the book, read it in one or two sittings, and the rest is history. So when we started, what happened was, is Bob O'Rick called me up. He's the CFO over Prophecy Watchers, and he goes, L.A., Have you ever heard of a Holy Fire? I go, what do you mean the Holy Fire? He goes, Holy Fire, have you ever heard of it? I go, no, what's the Holy Fire?

And he goes, this thing's been manifesting at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher for 1700 years. And I go, what? What are you talking about? How come I've never heard of this? So I started doing a deep dive on it. And we were slated to go to the Prophecy Watch's conference. Russ Braille, expert on the Shral was going to be there. So we kind of circled our wagons.

And Gil and I and Jim were already talking. about those guys. My business partner and our good friend Jim who does all the sound, we all, you know, were there at the Privacy Watches conference. We interviewed Russ Pryo and I also flew in Joe Marino, who's also a synonymous, an expert. He's written books on the shroud. He's amazing. And so we interviewed those guys. So the connection between the shroud and the Holy Fire, is there a connection? We think there is. That's the nexus of the film. So the shroud is a linen cloth, three and a half feet wide by 14 feet long. It bears a frontal and dorsal image of a crucified man in repose.

The crucified man has all the markings of the Gospels of Jesus of Nazareth. So he's got a helmet of thorns, it's not a crown. It's a helmet that was pushed and beaten down into his skull, which that in itself would be absolutely excruciating. the nail prints do not go through the palm, but they go to the base of the palm here, and then come out at the wrist at an angle. How do we know that? It's on the shroud.

So the shroud, well, I thought the nail holes were in the palm of the hands because that's what I've seen on eight gazillion paintings. They're not. See, if the paintings are wrong, shroud is right. The scourging is incredibly horrific. It's brutal. It's not a... He's scourged all over his body.

the front and the back. Everywhere. He's scourged within an inch of his life, except where the heart is. They don't do that because they would kill him. The back is lacerated. It's the chest, the back, the arms, the legs, everything. He is beaten within an inch of his life.

It's unbelievable. The wound of the side, an issue of blood and water, Billy Rubin, that's consistent. The feet, the nail prints. And so no one saw this at all. What I just described was never seen until 1898. So the shroud, when you look at it, when you come up close to it, you don't see anything. When you stand back about six to eight feet, you see the very faint outline of a man.

It's sort of a singed cloth like. And the image is only on the very top surface of a cloth. It's very superficial. There's no paint. There's no dye. there's no ink, nothing like that. And yet it's there. But no one saw it until 1898.

So all they saw was this little image, this very faint image of what appeared. You could make out the face and the arms, you know, crossed. But you couldn't tell anything. Enter a secundapia, a professional photographer. He's got the same type of a wooden box camera that was used in Fatima, 1917, glass plates, right? So he's in tour in Italy, which is where the shroud is kept, and he's photographing the shroud, first person ever in all of history.

And he's photographing the shroud. This is true story. He's back in his dark room. He's got the glass plate. He's doing this. And he's, you know, with the chemicals. This isn't an iPhone, folks. Look on look at the picture.

I don't like that. Retake. It's not that at all. I wish. Yeah. This is like, you know, hours. Right. So he's got the solution and he's doing this.

And what he sees is the face of Jesus come up on the glass plate. So the shroud is a negative image. And when he took the photograph, the negative image on the glass plate was a positive image. And true story, he almost drops the glass plate and who wouldn't. Because you're seeing the face come up. I wish I could show you what it looks like. It's mind-boggling. all the details

you know the nose is broken the bruise under the eye the coins on the eyes part of his beard oh the shrugs the shroud's fake because all of his beard

wasn't pulled out read Mando Gonzalez's article on that it's not I didn't know there's an article that's one Mondo wrote an article and rebuttal to all the critics

well his beard isn't pulled out they pulled out some of his beard hello read what it actually says yeah you know and understand you know

just read Mando's article You can go to prophecywatchers.com, Google it will come up because it's fascinating. So he's looking at this thing and he realizes he's the first person in 2000 years to see what Jesus looks like. Oh, my gosh. In 2000 years. And this goes viral. You know, this is 1898. It goes viral.

You know, te-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-te-te-te-te-te-te. That's how my iPhone. Yeah, man, you got to come over and check this out. It's not that. is, the other guy, the other end, jeepers. Pretty much. And so, you know, all of a sudden, evangelicals are flocking, Jews are flocking. This is the most study artifact in all of history.

So the Shrout of Turin Research Project team went over there in 18, 1978. And they started the shroud for 120 hours. Barry Schwartz, who we interview in our film, the Watchers series, but we took that interview and used it in the shroud because Barry passed away and Dame Isabel Pixick passed away. She was a muralist, world class muralist, and a particle physicist. How's that left

and right brain work? Seriously. They must have argued with each other incessantly. And we were in a studio. We were filming her. And I walked in, I just started laughing because it was like, oh my gosh, I'm in a cathedral. Because that's what it looked like. Richard walks in. He just starts weeping like a little baby. It's a holy place.

Wow. Dame Isabel. Holy place. All these pictures of the resurrection and angels and Jesus and just like, and all the miracles. It was just unbelievable. And I interview her and that in itself, you have to watch that interview with her four or five times to really understand what she's saying. Because she's talking as a particle physicist is way up here. She's talking about the singularity.

She's talking about quantum physics and quantum mechanics and how the last photon hits the event horizon and that's it. because, and she's, she's hypothesizing that the image was put on the shroud where the time and space, as we know, it stopped for a very brief moment of time and the body was levitated and then like that. And that's why you've got a frontal and dorsal image because the shroud, gravity stops, time and space stops. The shroud is pulled top. The body is levitated. and then it just dematerializes. And the dematerialization, we believe, in light somehow creates that image on the shroud. So let's walk through.

People go, oh, the shroud's a fake. And it's been there because we did the Carbon 14 dating. That's flawed. Do all critics sound like that? To me, they do. I hear it in my head. So we need to walk through this because the Carbon 14 dating,

there were protocols set in place. by the team that went over and did it. They were going to take three samples from different parts of the shroud. But that's not what happened. They're there. The team is there. They're ready to do it.

These guys, the masseuts walk in, show everybody out of the room. Three hours later, they bring everybody in the back, back into the room and go, you can take the sample, but it's going to be from this corner and this corner alone. So their hands are tied.

That's what they do. They take the sample. Sounds like a conspiracy. You think? And they do the carbon-14 dating and it comes back, you know, medieval, 13th to the 15th century. Everybody goes, what? Including myself.

So now, Andrew Marino, what we talked about earlier. He's written books on the Shrout. He's a, he's a synonologist. In fact, when Barry Schwartz passed away, he let Joe Marino have Shroud.com. If you're in doubt, just spend an hour at shroud.com before you email me, telling me it's a fake, because you're ignorant and you're arrogant. Spend an hour at Shroud.com. I say that with all love.

So the bottom line, Joe Marino is a monk living in a monastery, but he loves the shroud, and he's been studying it forever. And he's online with like some kind of a shroud group, and he meets this woman, Sue. And they're talking about the shroud like every night, and pretty soon they fall in love.

And so Joe Marino leaves the monastery and marries Sue. They write a paper, about the carbon-14 dating. And the paper is read at a shroud conference, and Barry Schwartz is there. And Barry goes, can I have this? And they go, yeah, you posted on your website. They posited that the reason why

the carbon-14 dating was skewed because it was a patch. It was some sort of a re-weave job that was done because of the fire. So Ray Rogers, who was on the Stroud of Touring Research Project team, the original team goes, well, I can disprove this. He has a sample called

the radius sample, which was taken right next of a C-14 sample. And the C-14 sample is way down on the corner of a shroud, the corner of the shroud, not in the middle, the corner of a shroud. So he goes, well, I can disprove this. And he goes and looks at his sample, goes under the microscope and to his astonishment, what does he see? Linen fibers spliced with the cotton fibers. It's a re-weave.

It's a patch job that was done because of the fire. Yeah. So that blows the C-14. And yet when you Google that, that's what comes up. You know, and they don't change it because that's the powers that be. We're never told the truth about anything, right? So later on, Ray Rogers actually got the sample from the leftover sample from the C-14 dating. He had it.

And once again, showed the fibers. So the C-14 dating has been proven. But here's the kicker. There's another artifact. and it's called the Sedarium of Oviedo. And the Sodarium of Oviedo has been in Oviedo Spain since the 7th century.

And it doesn't bear an image of anything. It's a cloth. It's a bloody mess of a cloth. And yet, and you can only do this in modernity. It's been there since the 7th century. It's the Cedium of Oviedo. We think it's the face cloth because when they took Jesus down from the cross,

they wrapped his head with a cloth out of respect from the dead. That cloth was folded up. and put in the grave. It's not the shroud. Not the shroud. It's just a cloth. But when you take a Sodarium of Oviedo,

and you can only do this in modernity with the computers, and overlay it on the man of the shroud is over 100 points of congruency. So the shroud is not a fake. So you say to yourself, well, how was it done? Well, something is manifested

for 1,700 years at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. I'm giving away the whole film here, but that's okay. Continue, please. please, thank you. So, but you need, you can watch the film for, I don't know,

five bucks on our L.A.Mazuli.com. It'll take you right there. So when the Romans came in in AD 70, they destroyed the temple. All right? And it was a mess. And the Jews were still there. But by the time of the Barcochpa revolt,

around AD 130, Romans had it up to here. That was it. They came in, massacred everybody, burned everything. Later on, they erected the temple of Jupiter on the temple mount, desecrate

the holy site, and they said, you know, by the way, this little Christian shrine thing that you guys got going with Golgotha and Batum, we're not buying that either. They erected temple of Venus on the crucifixion site. So for 300 years,

nothing happens until the 4th century when Constantine becomes emperor and Helen his mother comes back down and okay where's where was it where's the resurrection where's the crucifection all the locals know they go see where the temple is the venus right there it's right underneath there how how do locals know you know local knowledge i live up in the sanamanica mountains so somebody said hey do you know where the cave in the lake if they covered up in the 1940s it's like oh sure up by the lake up here because it's local knowledge because i know because

that lived there for 50 years. Local knowledge. Local knowledge, they all knew where the crucifixion site was. So Helen deconstructs the temple of Venus. Sure enough, there's Galgotha

right there. There's the tomb. They find the whole thing intact. The holy fire begins to appear right after that. Wow. However, Gregory of Nisa said that he had heard,

as Kyrsa, that Peter saw the Holy Fire. Okay, so all you scoffers out there take a deep breath. Ready? Don't you feel better now? I do. Good.

So here's the deal. Let's walk through it. So Abraham cuts a covenant with the Lord. They kill all the animals. They make a corridor. You know, half the animal here, half the animal. They're going to cut a covenant. And the Lord puts Abraham asleep.

So Mr. Smarty pants, what goes through the covenant? What goes through those those, um, those animals. Oh, my gosh. Flaming torch. Yeah. Flaming torch. Well, that's just coincidence.

Okay, let's skip forward. So Moses is, you know, kill the Egyptian. Now he's tending sheep. What does he see? A bush that burns but doesn't burn. Oh, my gosh. You're going somewhere. Now we have two.

Holy fire, right? The third fire, what protects the Israelites and keeps the Mormon night? The pillar of what fire? At the day of Pentecost, what appears over the... Let's go. Right? Let's go. Tungs of flame.

Right? Right. So for the last 1700 years, the holy fire has been appearing in the church, the Holy Sepulcher. And the Muslims came in like a thousand years later and said, we hate this, you know, and they put out,

they used to be lamps, and all the lamps would just light up. It doesn't happen anymore. Something is weird as change. The edicule, and by the way, we hired an Israeli film company to go in, So October 7th, it happened already.

So there's no tourism. And it's dinner time. They go into the Church of the Holy Sepulchar. There's nobody there. Nobody. And they film with an iPhone 9, or whatever it is, iPhone 15, rather. And they're filming in 4K. And at the same, it says, you can only do this in modernity.

They're filming. And the other guy, there's two of them. So one guy's filming, and I are directing in my studio via Zoom. Right? There in Israel, the Holy Suffolk. We're in Malibu, California, and Santa Monica Mountains. Oh, stop, stop. No, you go, get a good shot of that.

Oh, that's great. That's great. Back up over them. So we're directing from thousands of miles away. Just hysterical. You can only do this in modernity, right? We're an incredible age we live in. And the shots of the Holy Sepulca are amazing.

So there's this building called the Etiquel where the slab is. Archaeological evidence recently showed that there was a garden there. Garden too. So we believe it's like the garden tomb was created in the 19th century. And as Mondo points out, because he's in the film, Mando Gonzalez, that this was, there's all these, if you go back into the Rock Cliff, there's all these tombs that are there, but that's not the first century. It's more like the 7th century. So there's a real problem with that, with the garden tomb. Some people point to the Mount of Olives.

But the locals, why were the Romans put the temple of Venus there? because they knew what it was. They were desecrating the site. So the Holy Fire has been there for 1700 years. When the Muslims came in, they took the lamps and put lead wicks in them, so there's no way these things are going to light up. They all lit up. Saladin, the Great Warrior, went to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre to disprove it, because, you know, why do the Christians have something like this? And he saw it and wrote about it. There's a book by Harris Scarleteus, who has been to all these ancient libraries and monasteries and tracked. down all these eyewitness accounts. There's like, I think, 75 of them, different nationalities,

all talking about the Holy Fire. So when you go there now, the priest, the patriarch of Jerusalem, comes, and the whole, it's a lot of pompance, let me get a squig, a lot of pomp and circumstance. I'd take a swig, too, but none of my guys offered me water before we started, so. See? Yeah. What can I tell you? I guess I got to give raises and get that water. So he's all in his priestly garb, and the whole procession. And the edicule is just filled with thousands of people. They all have candles, right? And he's got candles.

So he searched. He doesn't have a lighter. They go into the edicule where the slab is. They search it. There's no lighter or anything else, anything like this. He goes and he says some prayers. And then according to the testimony that we have, this blue plasma-like flame begins to undulate and appear on the slab.

which turns into a pillar. He lights his candles. He goes out pandemonium. Everyone lights their candles and it spreads really quickly. You can take that candle with the Holy Fire and go like this under your beard and your beard will go.

No way. You can push it like this under your arm with a sweater and nothing ignites. And it's that way for about, it's a cold, it's a cold flame. That's the Bernie Bush. That's the Bernie Bush.

There you go. There you go. And we think the Holy fire was responsible for the resurrection of Jesus because it's not a burn, not a burn mark, it's not a scorch mark. It's something else that created the image on a shroud. So that's what, you know, to deep dive. I cannot wait to watch this. It's a pretty cool film. Wow. Wow. That's incredible. So I, my son is going to be eight in December and we have like biblical archaeology conversations on the way of school. I mean, that's cool. It's really. It's really. It's,

a fun thing. I mean, he's, he's definitely getting really geared in that direction and, uh, having India, thanks for the water there, Derek. That's, that's called saving his job. No, I'm just playing around. Um, but with, and I think that the, this fire, this flame, uh, falls under the idea of biblical archaeology, but it's like the, it's like mysterious. Same with the shroud. Um, and I feel like it really, there, there's so much to be to discover. in this world and to be revealed when it comes to the idea of these ancient biblical mysteries still being around today, still being active. And that leads me to, and I kind of referenced it a little bit earlier, the idea of conspiracy cover-ups. You know, and I feel like there's

different groups and organizations that do participate in such things for their own reasons. do you feel like, because it seems like to me, so the shroud, I believe is it the Catholic Church that has possession of it? Well, it's, yeah, it's in Toronto, Italy, but yes. Okay. But it's not a Catholic relic at all. So who, do you know who actually owns it, quote unquote? It would be the, what is the church called? I can't think of the name of the church, but the church is internally.

that's where it's displayed. They have control over it. Oh, sorry. Sleep of the wheel here. But the, yeah, the church in turn, Italy has control over the shrill. Okay. So it's not a Catholic relic. Yeah.

I mean, there's pollen on it that comes from Jerusalem. So a medieval forger is going to, this is all full on for sure. He knows about pollen. Sorry, not buying that either. I mean, when you spend an hour on shroud.com, you realize that, wait a minute, This is like, this is profound.

And you know what? The shroud is fading. Is it really? Yeah. Even though it's in a temperature controlled, climate control, glass case, it's fading. I think that is. Because he's coming back. I knew you were going to see that.

Fis fumble that. Because he's coming back. I like it. People go, well, I don't need this for my faith, O.A. Well, I don't, why that act? Where did that come from? Yeah. I don't know anybody who talks like that, but I digress.

So the bottom line is. this, it's God's calling card. Yeah. What's wrong with you, people? It's a witness of the greatest event and all of history. The resurrection of the fully God, fully man, Jesus, the Messiah. What are you waiting for?

What are you waiting for? Yeah. It's not a fake, and they've never been able to reproduce anything remotely like it. All these skeptic, I can produce that right now. And you look at, why the stubborn accent? Sorry, guys. I'm in trouble now, but why?

But why? And you know, why do they all And then you look at it and you just start laughing. It's like, you know, he didn't produce anything. And they won't because this is something that's cosmic. I call it God's calling card because that's what it is. It's God's calling card. And he left it for us. Yeah.

And it's what you said, it's almost like this imagery popped to my head. When somebody's standing, they project the shadow. The further the light is away from them, the longer the shadow is. The closer the light gets to them, the more the shadow becomes closer to them. It's like, Christ returns. the shadow is like coming off the shroud getting closer because he's right here and he's coming. There you go. That's that's really cool. So I want to go back to the Fatima idea with this shroud. It seems like say the church. So the church, the Catholic church claims Fatima, right?

The Vatican claims firema as, correct. Okay. As a real apparition of Mary. Of Mary. Right. Okay. So do you feel like, and this isn't like, I'm not trying to cast stones at the Catholic Church or anything like that. just using them as an example where I feel like they're very unmotivated to look at it objectively because they've already claimed it as that. And not that it would hurt their faith and religion, but it's like an added bonus that they can prop them to say, see, this is another piece of evidence. But it's not true evidence. It's not true.

It's like somebody who pays bots to watch their YouTube videos, right? It's like it's not true video views, right? And so I guess would you consider something like that as a conspiracy or just more self-serving? I think it's both. When you go to Fatima and I've spent like a week in and around that whole area and it's big business. The street and when you go into the sanctuary, the sanctuary can fill a million people, the actual place. A million people. There's this marble ramp that goes down to where they're.

the apparition appeared. There's a chapel there now. And you see all these pilgrims on their knees, you know, saying the rosary and walking down because, you know, their burdened down with sin. So we know that we don't even do that. Father, forgive me for I have sin. Done. Yeah. You know, that's it. I don't need to do any kind of penance or some weird thing. Then the works on me, not on him. You know, he's already died in my place. So what more do I need? But, they're never going to backpedal on it. Like I cross swords with this guy. And, you know, the next couple of days,

there were this, a couple of YouTube with this man and woman was sitting down. And, of course, they didn't bring me on. They just castigated me. But they were wrong. You know, they tried to talk about what I had presented as evidence, but they didn't know what they were talking about because they had never looked at the handwritten documentation

from Father Fierre. They didn't know about the first. fourth witness. They don't know about the eyewitness account saying, I looked up and saw a dull silver disc. They don't know about the car's exploding or the windshield's exploding. They've never seen the photograph like we have with the disc over the apparition sign. So they're ignorant and they're arrogant. You know, but the thing is you, you know, if you say something, it has to be Mary of the Bible. Well, Mary the Bible fades in the book of Acts. We never hear from her again. Do I, do I honor her? Absolutely. You know?

She's amazing. I get that. She's the Godbearer. I understand that. Is she with him now? Was her body exhumed from the earth? I say no. I say no. We would have something about that. That's hearsay. You know, Elijah was taken. Enoch was taken. Enoch was taken. It may bury the body of Moses. But Elijah and Enoch are coming back as the two witnesses. Then they will die. Then they are raised. So Mary, her spirit, is with the Lord, or soul is with the Lord, but her body, wouldn't it be great if they found it? Oh, my gosh. Right? That just blows everybody out of the water. Yeah. Oops, we screwed up. You know, because, you know, my mother is a perfect example.

94-year-old woman, raised Catholic, church, all her life, rosaries, statue of Mary, and the backyard about that high. Flowers all around it. Novenas, rosary beads, you know, the whole deal, the whole thing. So my father dies and she comes and lives with us, which is a three-hour conversation, which I won't bore you with. But, you know, God's really got a sense of humor. That's all I can tell you. So we love honor.

Probably the best three years of her life. We just love honor. My wife and I, just love honor. And, you know, we had people in the house the whole time taking care of her because, you know, she was incontinent and the whole deal. So now she's on her deathbed. She lasted about 30 days. but she went into a coma about 10 days after, you know, that period of time. So she's lucid for about 10 days.

She's not eating her drinking a little bit, but she's not eating. Then she slips and 20 days later she passed, something like that. So I walk in and I go, Mom, I'm your son and I love you, right? You get that. But I got my pastor hat on now, okay? So let's just take the mother, you know, son relationship and table that over here. and I go, have you ever accepted Jesus as your Savior? She goes, thinks about it for a minute, and she goes,

no, I don't think I've ever done that. So I attempt not to show my complete astonishment at that, right? And I go, well, would you like to know what that is? So I tell her the gospel, the good news. You know, if you believe on him who was sent, right? Believe a God raise him from the dead and confess it with your mouth, you will be saved. You want to do that, Mom?

Yeah, I want to do that. I bought my mother to the Lord on her deathbed. And for 94 years of being a Catholic, no one ever told her what salvation is? Wow. Are you freaking kidding me? Yeah. So now I'm preaching the funeral, the thing,

and the priest is there doing all the stuff in the robes and the communion and the tickling of the bells and the whole thing. And I'm going, oh, my gosh, you know, this is like Babylon, go-go. And can I use that word? Sure. And so it's my turn to speak. And I get up and I'm introduced as a person. I am a pastor.

I never pastor to church. I was always a worship leader and had my own church within the church. So I looked at everybody and I said, I basically said, my mother had rosaries and prayers to St. Joseph and prayers to St. Anthony and prayers to the Mary and all this stuff. But no one ever told her about salvation. How was it possible for a woman to go at this thing from the time she's born to almost the time she dies and never hear about salvation? How was it?

And the priest is over there. They're like, oh, shrinking. You're shrinking. Thank you. But it's true. I mean, I have cousins who my aunt who I love, not many of them left, but they have no idea what salvation is. But they're died in the world Catholics, and they go and they genuflect and do the whole thing.

I mean, I've been there. I've seen it. But they have no, complete disconnect of what we believe, salvation and a personal relationship with the living God. And folks, if you think you know him, but you don't know him personally, then you don't know him. Boom. You just don't know him. And all you do is you ask and he will come in and he'll change your life. Happen to me 45 years ago and here we are. Yep. So I mean, I was at a funeral when my life changed. I was definitely not wanting to be there just because it was a church. I was like,

I don't want to be here. And then it was very ritualistic service. And I was thankful for that. I was like, oh, this is easy. I can sit here and watch you do your little ceremony. Right. And then my wife's uncle, who's a Baptist pastor, stood up and he looked at the person. And he looked at the person running the service. And he goes, since nobody else is going to do it, I'll do it. And he started sharing the gospel. And like, I got so angry because I wanted nothing to do with God. And I was like, man, you're embarrassing yourself. You're embarrassing me. You should just shut up and sit down. And I, like, why? Like, why would I feel that way? There was something in me that just had this hatred. And that moment in my life, I was trying to become a better person. I was a truck driver in Philly.

and the guys at work who've been driving for years, 20, 30 years, were telling me, dude, you're a mean dude. And so I was trying to become a nicer guy, just but not with the God stuff, right? And in that moment, I'm angry at her uncle for preaching. And I don't know how else to describe it other than it was like, God removed everything else out of the universe and just zeroed in on me. And in my mind's eye, like the room got dark. I was looking at a light in the sky, you know?

It's like in my mind's, that's how it felt. I was just, I was like under the lamp and I was being focused on by my maker. And I just, like the Holy Spirit spoke to, to me, the inner man. And I just heard not audibly, but I heard these words, you don't need a change to come to me. Just come to me and I'll change you. And I'm telling you, I walked out of that church different. And my, to the point, my wife was scared. Like she, like we sat down in the car and she's leaning up again.

against the door and looking at me. She's like, are you okay? And I was like, I'm good. I just don't know what happened just now. Like I was like, I was confused. I was like, I had this, like, I want to be nice to be. I like, I literally loved people. I was like, we should go talk to people. Like it was just like a 180. In fact, my brother Jack, he saw me that night because we went, I went, me and Lindsay went from there to a wedding reception where Jack was in my family and they saw it. Like, like, and after the reception was kind of winding down, it was Jack, my sister, my wife, my mom, and my dad, I'm telling my dad what happened. And that's the first time verbalizing. And I just start sobbing. My mom's crying. Tanya's crying. Everybody's crying.

Because, like, I was a strange, like, like, I came from a point where I was so mean, but I was like, I spent about two, three years where I was just lost. I was trying to, I was trying to be such a miserable person to my wife that she would divorce me because I was scared and a coward to actually divorce her. I was trying to create an environment at home where she had no option but to divorce me. Like, I was just a terrible person. And for me to miraculously change like that, to me, it's, it, you can't change, you can't take me off who Christ is.

You know, I mean, you can say, you can try to present the most eloquent argument as to why Jesus Christ is not the son of God. And I'm like, I don't care what you have to say. I know, and I experience, you know. And I just, I don't know, like hearing you say that and stuff, I was just really taken back because I was on the receiving end of what you did at that funeral, you know? And I think it's important to be in tune to the God and to know when to step up. And the only way to do that is to what you were saying, you have to be in relationship with him.

You know, if you say you know God because you don't know how to hear him, then you don't know God because you're not drawing near to him. Exactly. And so anyways, I don't know how I got on that, but here we are. That's wonderful. Very cool. So let's bring it in for Atlantic. I know they're going to be doing dinner here soon. Before we get out of here, let people know.

I know you mentioned it before, but where can people get the new documentary and anything else they want? I mean, because you have so much stuff. There's a corpus of work there. L.A.marzuli.com, L.A. marzuli.com. I'm sure someone will font it below. Absolutely will. But L.A.marzoli.com.

And, you know, the streaming site is streaming. orgely.net. On YouTube, I do a show every single day, seven days a week. and we have a lot of different guests on and talk about a variety of subjects. And so go to the YouTube channel, L.A. Marzuli. And if you want to stream something, which is great,

all the films there are $4.99 streaming, except for the shroud, which I think is $6.99, because it's the latest film. As streaming.orgi.marsoli.net, streaming. t. L.amarzoli.

Dot. Awesome. There you go. Thank you so much for having me on. This is so much fun. It was so much better than sitting on a computer talking to the other screen. You know? And you can do fistpuncles on. For now, what if I, if we're talking on a computer, we're going to have to fist bump the camera.

Thanks for being here. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Awesome. I want a round of applause. Hit me like a stroke. Holy Spirit flow. Flip me, lift me, lift me, ship me, let's go. I like a support load. I like to rendering all till the glory shows that the darkness is good in with us. Baby, baby, baby.

But my soul said no. Treat me like clay now. Jesus, I just mow. You never get old. No sticks on me. Crush me with your life. Oh, oh, oh. I fear to say anymore

Laud, yeah Made it down at the street You can chat up no messy Jesus, I know I'm tested Jesus But you have my back, mom in they come back And you scrap Take it when my faith feels low

But your presence still glows I'm complicated, I guess that's why grace Don't get overstated, I've been here But till isn't no one Jesus I just mow Your true sticks on me Like gold My little shelter cover me in store

Brush me with your life Oh, oh, oh, oh, wow Rush me with your life Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.