The Confessionals - 818: The Night He Killed Dogman

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Joe’s encounters don’t just blur the line between myth and reality, they obliterate it. In this episode, he recounts the night he came face-to-face with a Dogman and made a split-second decision that ended the creature’s life, an act that still follows him years later. But that moment was only one chapter in a much larger pattern that includes repeated Bigfoot encounters, territorial aggression in the woods, and intelligent creatures that seemed to understand weapons, intent, and fear. Joe describes behavior that goes far beyond animals, strategic movements, government intimidation displays, and moments that felt deliberately personal. As the stories stack up, a disturbing question emerges: what happens after you cross the line from witness to participant? This conversation explores the cost of survival, the reality of predatory entities in the wilderness, and why some encounters don’t end when you leave the woods, they follow you home.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - The Forest Woke

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just your weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. Merkel. Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me.

And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen. And he starts running and firing at this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear in one hand, and he's running really fast. And spears Dan holds him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitate him. about sparser when he got about this. I feel something pulling at my leg.

And I look over and there are two small gray entities pulling it. And they're literally, I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reached my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and I couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Welcome to the show, everybody. You were listening to the Confessionals podcast. I am Jack Merkel and I'm glad you're here. If you have an encounter or story you'd like to share on the show, go ahead and shoot us an email.

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where Tony is also part of the co-hosting panel. I know you'll enjoy it. I think they talk about aliens. They talk about Luciferian religion and a whole bunch of other things in this episode. They cover the gambit in this one. But you'll enjoy it. Lastly, we have Merk-Murch and Merckle Films. If you're interested in supporting the show in any way other than memberships, go ahead and check out Merk Merch and Merckville Films. Merch, we have the new Rake Design, and currently we're in the process of doing a big overhaul in the store

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go ahead over tomercletfilms.com, and you can watch anything you want over there. It's awesome. Now today, this was a long-awaited interview between Tony and Joe. Joe Barger, that is. Joe Barger's story is remarkable. I think he told Tony this story several years ago, early podcast days at a dog man conference, and Tony was blown away because I know Joe said that Tony was the first person that he told this story to. And since that day, Tony has been very, very adamant that he wanted to interview Joe to have his story shared with everyone. And now after three years of Tony and Joe trying to schedule a time for them to have this interview,

Joe was finally able to come out to the studio, sit down with Tony, and share his story about how he killed Dogman while driving his semi-truck one night. There's a lot more to this story, though, than just killing Dogman. Just killing Dogman. There's a government cover-up, and Joe even shares how it was still going to be. going on up into only a year ago. So anyway, without any further ado, let's get to the show. Joe Barger here is. Is that you pressed for last name, by the way? Barger, right? Okay. I was a sure of his barger or barger? Barger. Barger. Okay. Joe Barger here's studio. How are you, man?

I'm good. I'm great. I'm glad to be here too. Listen, we got to. It's been long time since we tried to do this. Yeah. It's been three years. So there's this phrase that I've been saying recently, God's time, God's time, God's time. And this is one of those times I would just say, God's time, you know? Exactly. I don't know if what we're about to get into would have been gotten into in the same vein three years ago than it would today. And maybe, maybe not. I don't know. But I just know that a lot of times I look back at things and like, oh, that was God's timing. So just to kind of give people a brief overview of how you and I got connected, and you can feel free to correct me if my memory is flawed on certain things.

Okay. But one, there are people who have heard your story, but I don't know if anybody's heard your story, plus some of the other things we're going to talk about today all in one shot. And I know on my platform, it's a different type of platform than a lot of the different platforms you've been showing up on. And so I'm excited about having this opportunity. to talk with you. You came to a conference that I was at three years ago, I think it was. And I'm in a side room and you, I think I even, maybe even asked you if you had seen a dog man or something like that.

And you're like, yeah. And what you're about to tell us today, you shared with me. And I was like, holy crap. And you were just like straight face. Matter of fact, this is what happened. It is what it is. I was like, holy cow. Was that the first time that you were that weekend, were you talking about it to people? You were actually the first person I told the whole story. And there was a few others after that. Yeah. In that conference. But you were basically the first one. Other, Then before that, I did have my story on Monsters 9-1-1. Lance Armstrong, he narrated it. Yeah.

And I didn't want to. Lance High Tower. Armstrong, High Tower. It's understandable. Yeah, Lance High Tower. But, yeah. And then it was, I can't remember the other guy. but now their names.

But yeah, I was encouraged to talk about it then. And that was the only time I had mentioned, you know, with Lance Hightower. He's the only guy I talked to for four years about it. And so, like this story you're about to tell, it's a very dramatic story. I mean, killing a monster is something that most. people don't have the opportunity to do, let alone believe it could ever even happen to anybody. Yeah. And it's a wild story. And so I'm assuming you sat on it for years and you didn't really want

to talk about it. I know because I was being suppressed by, you know, the powers that be. Right. You know, and we know that's, you know, kind of black operations in the government. So, yeah. So before we get too lost in on the weeds of it. Yeah, but that's kind of one of the biggest reasons and that, you know, who's going to believe it? I mean, this guy.

I was having a hard time believing it myself and it happened to me. Yeah. At first. I guess you need to find the right group of people that are wired to hear something so dramatic. Yeah, and I thought, well, why mention it? You know, even what's the point? Why, you know, it happened to me and I just got to deal with it, you know. It's my thing and my thing alone, you know.

Right. I felt about it, you know. And my sister actually encouraged me to talk about it, and it would be therapeutic to do that. That's why I called Lance Hightower, you know, and he said, and I talked to him about it. He said, what can I put this on my show? And I'm like, nah, you know, I don't really want to, you know, be out there like that. And he said, well, can I narrate it and not mention your name, not anything about where it was or anything? I'm like, sure.

I was like, that's fine. And he did a very good job at creating how I explained it to him from his notes, you know. So the inflections and everything, you know, did a pretty spot on representation of how I explained it to him, you know. And that was therapeutic. Yeah. Absolutely. So. And it, but that got on the radio.

radar still. Because, well, I don't know if you want to go down that rabbit hole. I say we probably go into the story and then let the details of the story define the rabbit hole and then we can go down that hole then. But I feel like we should probably start from the beginning and share with people this experience. And you've had other things that happened to you, which we can dive down the rabbit hole of why you, you know? but I think what we should probably do is talk about what happened the night that you had to do this

and what brought you to the table at the conference. By the way, it was Josh Turner's conference. I can't remember the name of the conference, but it was like a dogman conference. It was just a dogman conference. And the only one that specifically related to dog man. Yeah. Yeah, that I've ever heard of. I think that's ever been specifically dedicated.

a dog man and um and that was that was five years after my encounter about about that man yeah so five years removed uh we see you at the conference uh you tell this story so let's get into it um where where does this story start for you well that day of this specific encounter was early June of 2017 the first week or so in June and I was

I'm a truck driver I was driving a semi and I was picking up a heavy heavy load of paper of about 41,000 pounds of paper rolls you know from a mill

up there near um well it's it's from out of filer city is what the name is michigan yeah and um i was bringing it back i was just bringing it back to our our terminal that's near calamazoo at that time and as it was coming back i was just a normal day but i was having specifically i was having air leakish with my truck. And so I'm looking at my air and I'm losing my air, you know, on my gauge. I'm looking at it. And it's, as I'm losing it fast, my truck is keeping up with the compressor's keeping up.

It keeps building it back up, but it's losing it so fast, it's just too fast. So I'm like, I got to find a place to turn around. I'm in the middle of Manistee National Forest, you know, coming back. it's a two-lane road and it's just it's just woods and you know some houses spotted here and there in a few tiny towns but so i found i remember because i've done that route before i found a place where i think like snow plows turn around at or something it's a wide area off the side of the road and i thought well i can pull into in there you know and check my air, see if I can fix it or if I got to call service. I usually carry whatever I can for anticipated breakdown,

so I don't have to wait on service. So I get out of my truck and I stop in that turnaround. What I did is I did, I looped around because it's on my left side. So it's kind of like not supposed to be a thing you should do because it's dangerous. But there's nobody on this road. You know. And what time I did was there? It's like 7.30 in the evening.

Okay. It's still plenty of, you know, how in the summer it's 9.30, 10 before it's dark. It's still plenty of daylight. And but I made that illegal turn, you know. But I kind of had an emergency. I kind of happening here. I'd rather do that, you know, and there's nobody on this road. So I make that turn.

And I get in there and I find out. that I do have an air leak on my trailer near the rear brake chambers, you know. And it's a cut. It's a small cut in my airline. So I have these things. I cut it and put this nipple on it and, you know, clamp it down. It's temporary, but I can get going and get out of there. It took me like less than five minutes to do it, grab my stuff.

And but while I'm there, there's all this going on in the woods that, next to me, you know, maybe 30 to 40 feet away from me. I mean, it's kind of close. And I'm looking in the woods and I can see shadows passing through the brush and the thickets and everything. And I'm thinking it's a bear, you know, is what I think it is because it just looks like what's going on. And there's noises and I heard a metallic sound and things were getting really, my perception of reality was changing a little. little bit like this metallic sound happened and then it was almost like I was in an echo chamber. Not with not echoes, it's hard to under, you know, explain, but it's not.

Was it kind of almost like a muffled, muffled hollow sound? Kind of. Like almost a wool. Yeah. Okay. But maybe a slight echo. I don't know. It's really, really bizarre to try to explain it.

But it's like a distortion though, like some kind of like audible distortion. spatial distortion. Yeah. Yeah. And at that time, I'm like, am I, you know, I just, I didn't know what was going on. I never felt like that before. And I thought, am I getting sick? Am I having a stroke?

What, I mean, I don't know what has really, I've never felt the sensations like this. And even, even visually was looking. I didn't feel like I was sick or having any medical issues. It was just everything just kind of like changed. And it's changed I can't even explain. Colors were a little, seemed a little off than it should be and things. Yeah, it was really bizarre. While you were under the trailer.

Well, yeah, well, this stuff was, as I was fixed, this was going on too. And as I was noticing that what I thought was at the time, it was a black bear. I was thinking, well, I'm going to just get this done. I'm going to get out of here.

And not even, you know, and I get back in the truck. And that all those sensations kind of like dissipated then. It was like, okay, everything's you know copacetic I guess it seems I don't know what that was about but I get going here and and I check my air and my air's holding and so I have to make this U-turn again to keep going the way I was going right so I made sure that was all good and you know the and I make that you turn safely

and I get back on the highway and I'm at the bottom I don't know the hill, too, and I'm heavy. So I can't go any faster than 25 going up this hill until I get to the top of it. It's a pretty good grade, you know. I don't know what the percent of grade, but it's pretty good. And so I'm going 25 miles an hour and checking my mirrors and got my hazards on, and, you know, I'm doing my thing. and I look and I, and I, I was in at the time, I was in a daycap.

And I, I, I'm a peripheral vision. I could see like a shadow past my windows. You know, I didn't think a lot about it. As you're driving up there. As I'm driving. And then I look over again, I look at my mirror. I did notice a darkness in my window. So before I looked totally over and saw the head of a massive wolf running alongside of my truck looking in at me.

And I had my windows down both sides. It was a nice day. And he's looking at me and he's grimacing and I, at me and showing his teeth. So it's running alongside the truck with you while you're driving? Yes. Okay. So it's like literally trying to, as if somebody was trying to jump into the truck with you. Yeah, he was clawing at my door and trying to pull the handle.

The doors were locked, but the window was down. He did, as he was looking at me and looking inside the cab, he was, he brought his hand inside. Just his hand. He has a hand, and it looks like it's a huge raccoon hand, you know, and claws that are, you know, not nails, but like claws, like a raccoon, if you can imagine that, just the size of my steering wheel hand, or close to it, you know. And as he pulls away from, I think he was maybe testing a glass and a glass, I don't know, it just seemed that way and it just seemed that way and it wasn't there and he just pulled back. So you're suggesting that what you're seeing at intelligence of what, the truck was how it operated essentially yeah and and i could tell he was flipping the door handle too

like uh you know and there was scratches on my door and he ripped my rubber the rubber at weather stripping on the top and as he pulled his hand back it kind of scraped it ripped it a little bit and i had claw marks on my door and so after that was happening i you know there's just I just didn't know what was going on in my world. You know, I'd never heard of a dog man. I knew about werewolves, and that's what it looked like. And it had to be at least 10 feet tall because I'm at nine feet in that truck, and he is stooping over, bending down and look at me as he's running.

And he's moving so slow. I mean, not so slow, but so, like, it's not slow at what it is, sleek and fluid. Like smooth. Like smooth. It was almost catlike. And, you know, um,

and he was looking at everything in my truck and his eyes were darting around everything. And this is all happening within seconds. You know, there's just a million things within seconds. And, and, um, as I was looking at him, he was, he had a look in his eyes that,

I assume that he, you know i but i didn't i don't know but what i saw was not human and not an animal not even close to an animal really i mean even other than the outward look of the werewolf the in the eyes it was it was it was supernatural human looking intelligence going on in the eyes and He had his tongue hanging out. He did have a scar on his snout. His eyes were yellow, like a bright amber, solid black, solid black. He had a mane, sort of like a lion mane, but not quite as big, but down, you know, what I could see at this point.

I could just see his head and part of his hand at this time. you know, this is all I could see at this point. And I'm still trying to get up this hill and I can't go any faster. It's a manual truck right now that you're driving? This happened to be, I had just got in an automatic at this time. It's one less thing you have to worry about it. Yeah, I had just got in. I was in the stick trucks before that.

I think I had that truck about six months. Okay. And I was still getting used. gives to the automatics, because you know, it's a whole different kind of, as you know, too. But. And let me just, I don't know if this is relevant or not, but might be, going uphill in an automatic truck with 41,000 pounds, you, like, you wish you had a manual at that moment because you would be able to control the RPMs a lot more. Yeah, yeah.

And so you probably had no control of even trying to go faster or downshifting, none of that. Yeah, I don't know at that point. I don't even where my head was at. I don't even know if I would even thought of it because I was just in such a, I don't know a state of, it was, it was fear, you know, of course, because this thing is trying to get in here or something and yank me out. Do you think it was, it wanted to get you? I think so because what happened as this progressed,

I'd say this all happened within 10 seconds, okay, all of this stuff of me noticing the dog man running next to me and everything that's going on, me trying to process it and keep the truck on the road and keep it going. I got this message. I don't think it was my own voice or my own internal. I thought, but I got this message. I got you and there's nothing you can do about it.

Like a telopathic message? Yeah. Wow. It don't seem like it was me that came from. You know, I've never had that happen before I got you and there's nothing you can do. And then at that very instant, I carry a gun with me always. I'm a concealed carrier for many, many years. And I didn't have my gun on me because the gun I was carrying around at the time was a that.

Right on the table. It was kind of in summertime that's hard to conceal. So I had that strapped on my seat. So you had it strapped on your seat. On my seat right here. And I had a cooler on that side. So you couldn't see it. Yeah.

And the cooler was too high for you see it from that way or this way or anyway. But I could grab it straight right here. and pull it. And so that's, I said, I thought to myself, and I think God was with me in all of this, all the way through this to this day, and even before, always is, but I said, watch this, and I pulled it and, you know,

and shot twice faster than he could react. Because I practiced, and I'm pretty good, you know, with weapons since I was a kid. And it's kind of my past time anyway. You know, just as a hobby, collect and shoot. And it's my off-time way of releasing, you know, tension too. You know, it feels good to go out and just shoot things, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it does for me. I agree. And so it's a good tension reliever, you know. And so when that, when that, that happened, it went down. So you pull this out, and this is a Colt 45, right? It's Colt 45 and 410. You pull it out, and you point blank in the face two shots.

Two shots. And, yeah, because I do practice pulling that, you pull, you know, almost every day when I strap a gun on, I'll pull it a time or two. Just make sure I got, you know, my muscle memory still. you know, going on the way it should and got my sites lined up when I look at my sites, you know. And so it's just a practice thing. It's just what I've done for many years. And I can shoot a lot of things from the hip because I've done a lot of, I don't even have to really have my eye on the site, you know. Jenny can tell you, she's seen plenty of it too,

You know, so. But I just pulled it as fast as I could pull it. Shot two shots. And of course, I'm in a day cab and no ear protection. And my ears are ringing after that, you know. And it went down. It went down. And I believe I hit it in the eye.

I believe I did because it was kind of like as I pulled it, I shot even before, you know, I was thinking, watch this, and I wanted to do it before it could make a move. And I kind of shot once before I even looked, and then by the second shot, it looked like it was hitting him in the eye. You didn't have any of the time to react. It was so fast. So you think the first shot hit him in the eye? I think so.

I think the second shot did, too. Okay, gotcha. I think both of them did. Wow. You know, and I had solid copper 45 cool rounds in it. And they were actually even more lethal than a normal bullet because they were made especially to be that way with the longer bullet that will fit in that cylinder of that particular firearm, you know, because it has a really long bullet with a more open hollow point design. and it kind of pedals out like a propeller blade instead of like mushrooms. Or the whole.

Yeah. It's like a broadhead when it hits. It's soft tissue. It'll stay, it won't open up until it hits bone or anything hard until it hits soft tissue. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

And I didn't expect to carry a gun like that for any other. reason just because I liked it and I thought it was cool, you know, to have a really lethal gun like that, you know, carrying with me. And it was a, just came out on the market and it wasn't like I'm trying to shoot bear or nothing, you know, it's just, well, you want to be as lethal as you can be. And now one shot, you want to take care of things in self-defense. And that will do it. And it obviously did, even with that, you know. Yeah. So that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt if it can take a thousand pound dog man out, which I think it weighed about as size of a horse, you know.

Jeez. Because I could see the whole thing in my mirror, and I could tell it was a neurological hit because, you know how things get stiff and straightened out? Well, that's what it looked like as it was sliding into the weeds. and all that on the shoulder there, you know, and just plowing everything over and all the debris was, you know, it was kicking up and it was, and it came to rest, and I could see the whole body and it was a werewolf, you know.

Like you would see on Van Helsing, you know, his man's torso, sort of, you know, sort of a mishmash of man and wolf. the feet like a real hybrid yeah the feet look like you know you would expect

the werewolf type feet with the backward hot looking thing and knee and um and the arms and the hands similar to a human

and the chest and it had a tail would say that probably about a I would say the tail was about five feet long probably fluffy sleeve long

tail Yeah. I would say, you know, not quite as long as this table, but almost. Wow. Yeah. Anyway. So you shoot it in the face and you see it fall in the mirror. You see now, is that when you saw all that detail or was it when it was approaching that you saw all the detail? I saw the detail. The teeth were very white. I mean, extremely white. That was another thing that I noticed.

You know, it wasn't like it had any yellowing or anything like that. It was almost like someone brushed his teeth every day or all the time. You know, like it brushed its own teeth. I guess it could if it wanted to with a broom. I don't know. I mean, me, it didn't think about it. I just, why his teeth were so white, I don't know. but, you know, but they were huge, you know, and they were all sharp, you know.

They were a little different than a canine, a normal canine. It was like every, it was more jagged. Everything was more jagged. Interesting. And the canine teeth were actually longer in the lowers and uppers were sticking out. You know, both of them, you know, they were both of them. You know, they were both very, the lowers were almost as long as the uppers, which were, I'd say, three and a half inches, maybe, probably, at least. Wow.

You know, and, like, the thickness of my thumb or thicker. And the tongue was about the size of, like, if you ever seen a cow's tongue, you know, about that size. You know, it's huge. It was massive. Is the head filled the doorway? Yeah, the window door? Yeah, the window. Wow.

Especially with the main, you know, had a bigger main than you would think, too. Down to the middle of his back, I think it looked like on the shoulders a little bit and partially down the back. And then the rest of the hair was short. It was pretty short. Do you recall hearing anything as far as, like, was it growling?

Was it just silent, huh? Never, yeah. I never heard a peep out of it other than what I thought it was trying to, you know, through some kind of mental. Right, but it wasn't like, like you would think like a predator of being on

trying to go with it. Hey, Lou was looking at me like, it was like it was just taunting, you know? It was sneering as like, You know, it's looking around and I got you, man, and you're nothing you can do about it. You know, I mean, it's, it's, it was very bizarre. That's one why I say it was not an animal, you know. It was, but it wasn't.

I do believe there's an ethereal nature to it. You know, we can get into that. At the time, I had no idea what I was dealing with. Never even heard of them. And I know they were a cryptid that has been around for centuries, but for some reason I've never heard of it. I've seen the Bigfoot, be away before this, and I never heard of this. But I've seen a Bigfoot.

I've seen a couple of them, you know. And so I was like, you know, I'd be ready. for that. This, I wasn't ready for, you know. Yeah, I can't imagine if you're not living life hunting these things, you're even expecting them, you know, because I think there is a level of Hollywood that enters the equation where people just, they think werewolves, not real, just something that's in the movies and storybooks. You know, if someone told me that these things were a cryptic, I'd be like, well, yeah, okay, you know,

I mean, I wouldn't dismiss it totally, you know, if someone told me or if I heard of them. I doubt if I'd have a hard time believing somebody if it didn't happen to me, though. You know, I really, I know I would have, you know, even though I knew Bigfoot was only, really, you know. I mean, but totally get it. But the thing is, is what I found out in my research trying to figure out what happened with my, situation there you can't just dismiss this stuff as

like you know as it's just people you know wanting to you know have a good story you know you just can't dismiss it because I found that out for myself you know I'm like yeah that's a good story man you know about the dog

man but I would have probably been I'd been very skeptical you know I know I would have you know but I'm not trying to, I've never tried to convince anybody. I tried really not to even talk about it. Excuse me. So your sister tricked you.

She tricked me. Got me on this road to explain it. But I think it's a good thing that she did because I think this is, actually, you know, we don't pick ministries we have in life. They're placed in front of us, and I believe there's a time and a place. And God says, this is your time and place to get your encounter out there because this will help people. I think he's going to prepare people for what's coming. Because when I first started hearing about the dog man stuff, even when I started the show,

I wasn't totally sure how I felt about the whole topic of dog man, which is interesting because like for similar reasons. It was like, I don't know, really. But now, my perspective now, I find it way easier to believe that over Bigfoot. Now it is from what I've learned. Now I know it's so easy to believe it now. Because you have to do research

and you have to know biblical facts. And you have to dig into that. And you'll find it there. And you look at even the history of these things and the fact that they're drawn on maps as figures of lands that explorers have visited. And like there's a whole history behind it. And if you don't know that, it seems absurd. But once you start looking into it, even like the spiritual side of things, the supernatural side of things, and people saying, you know, you know, can't tell many times I've heard stories of people saying a demon dog showed up in my room.

And it's like all of a sudden when you start hearing different. aspects of these dogmen encounters, you're like, these things may not be totally just this monster in the woods. There might be some metaphysical nature to it. And does that mean that it's a demon dog? And it's just like... Well, here's the, for instance, of, you know, me being a little skeptical. When I was younger, one of my aunts that died, I went to her funeral.

And I was talking to my cousins about this, now this would be her, it was my grandmother, but it'd be her grandmother, too. different sibling there. But she was telling me our grandmother saw a goat man in their yard a couple of times. And I like, you know, I'm thinking, you know, like a crazy cousin here. Or, or she was on medication and she thought she's seen some, a goat man. What is even that a bath of met or something? I mean, I don't know. I'm not in a cryptids, you know, never was. And it kind of got thrown into it, you know, in different times in my life. But I was never interested or researching it or ever.

It wasn't a thing I got my life to live. I'm not trying to get into, you know, looking into things that nobody believes in any way, you know. But so, Hannah, and I, after this happened to me, I'm like, these things start to, you start to recall stuff that you've been, told in life and things. I mean, I do remember that and I was like, man, maybe she did. And then I started looking into more stuff. My family, you know, was handed down in, you know, by different people

in, you know, over many, many years and decades of strange things has happened. And my grandfather, you know, had an incident with a big foot when he was trying to. as a teenager in Michigan. And, you know, there's just other things. You know, actually, I didn't know I saw it. I can look when I was nine years old, I was up there where my grandma lived that saw the goat man. She had died when I was a baby. I never knew her.

But I was nine years old. I woke up there. I was staying with my aunt for a couple of weeks during the summer because it was just cool. to be up there and just the farm and all that. And so I wake up one morning there was a picture window in this huge farmhouse. And I just kind of was on a daybed in front of that picture window. And I got it. It's like early, early in the morning, like six in the morning.

There was fog and everything. And I didn't know this, but I saw a dog man across the street in the greenery across coming. out and walking away. I just looked like a huge wolf. It was on all fours. I was like, man, it is a massive wolf, you know? And I was thinking, I got to ask my aunt if she ever seen a wolf around here, especially one like, it's crazy big.

You know, it was as big as one I saw. But looking back on it, that's what it was, you know, thinking about my past and things. I didn't ever gave it a second thought. I would have never thought of that otherwise. You know, I'm like, you start recalling things. And I asked her about it, and she didn't, she didn't say she didn't believe me. She said, oh, there's some weird things around here. You might see wildlife.

You don't see where I live. You know, she didn't dismiss it. And she was, and she would lose her mind if we weren't in by dark. She would lose her mind. And I'm telling you, I'm thinking. And that's why she knows those things. Is she still alive? No, she would be over 100 years old.

She died maybe 80, around 1985, 83. So there's clearly a history here before this night unfolds for you. Before we move away from the story, though, I feel like we've only touched half of it. Oh, yeah. We walked up to the line of, I shot it in the face, and then we got distracted, but there's a whole other part of this story. I mean, because, like, you actually, you wanted to see what you shot. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I, yeah, we'll continue from that point. Yeah, it's just to relive it. But, yeah, there is a picnic spot right down from there. that people can roadside picnic area. It's not designed for semis to go in there, of course, but it's, I'm thinking, you know, I need to turn around and make sure I didn't lose my mind.

Did that just happen? If that just did happen, I got to run that thing over, you know, to make sure it's dead if it's wounded or whatever. I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out in my own head, what is happening. And if that just did happen, I'm going to turn around and run that thing over with this semi. It ain't going to make it through that, you know. I probably wreck this semi.

But at this point, I'm like, I don't, I'm just kind of crazy, you know, right now, you know, trying to figure out what. So I turn around and I do take a few limbs down because it's 13 and a half feet high, you know, but I knew I wasn't going to tear up anything, and I made that turnaround, and I get back there, and then there is a Jeep there. That thing is not laying there anymore, but you can see where it's been pulled off even further into the wood line, which is probably 15 to 20 feet

from the road, the wood line right there, maybe 25, something like that. And just where all the, everything's pushed over and all the weeds are pushed over right, right at that, where it ended up, you know, laying. And I see these people there in a Jeep and they're outside of the vehicle, a man and a woman, they're dressed like kind of, I don't know, just in normal clothes, nothing out of the ordinary, khaki style stuff, but nothing that would. raising the eyebrows of being officials of any type, you know. Or the crime. Yeah. At the time, I didn't know.

I thought they were locals or something. And I'm like, man, if they just knew what had, I could tell it happened because I could see the evidence of it on the ground. And they were right there. And I'm like, what? And I'm like, I was concerned for them because if that thing must be wounded or something, and I mean, what? that thing is a I pulled over on the other side on the shoulder enough to get off the road enough

put my hazards on I'm like hey you need some help you because you know you should you kind of I'm thinking in my head you shouldn't be here what do you what is you even doing here and they said well they kind of were looking at me like what are you stopping for and why what are you asking us you know we're good you know and then we're like kind of real dismissive about I said, did you see anything happen here? And it looks like something happened or something. And we just saw a couple of bears here wrestling around, and we were just checking it out or some kind of vague thing like that.

And I could see, too, that they had a shotgun propped up in the back seat. Kind of from where my vantage point is, I could look right in there. They were really dark tinted windows. and it looked like it had equipment in there, but they kind of had the window down enough on both sides where it was, you could see the light shining in there, and I could see that barrel. And I knew what I was looking at anyway, enough.

So there was a lot of things that made me question what that was about. I said, well, okay, if you're good, I'm out of here because I'm like all kinds of going crazy right now. So I'm like, where is it at? You know, there's just a million things going on my head. And why are they? And it's just hard to even explain how fast my mind's going. And what I'm thinking.

And my whole ride back, now I'm going the opposite way, so I take a different way. I don't even, I'm like, I'm not turning around no more. I get to the lake highway near Lake Michigan, and I just take that back. And so I don't even remember anything hardly much for a good couple of day or two. I mean, I do. I mean, I work the next day. I put in an incident report, and I looked at my truck.

There was no blood on it or anything, but it scratched the door and messed up a few things. little, you know. That's what I was going to ask. So this was a company truck, right? Yeah. So you had to report the damage and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

And so, you know, when we did this quite a bit where we take it to where we would fix things. And I come in later. I was usually one of the later drivers that come in. And I had written that up and went home. And the next day I come in and my truck is in the shop already because, well, so-and-so had to get his truck so he took years in. Because I didn't even have his chance to really even, like, I think I would have took in a picture of it.

You know, I would have, because I'm like, you know, I should get a picture of that. It was just for myself, nothing else. And so I'm like, well, now I can't get a picture of it, even of that door. So, I mean, there was just, I don't know. A lot of things that I was going through my head,

I was like, I'm going to try to go over there and see if they fixed the head or not. And I couldn't get over there in time. By the time I did, they, I was like, well, where's the door at? You know, Harbor. I mean, I think what they did is because instead of just fixing it normal, they just had another truck with the same truck.

And they had part. trucks, and they just put another, there was a wrecked one. There was a few wrecked ones that, and that door was fine. They just, and then put the decal on it, you know, and the DOT numbers and stuff. And I was going to go the next day. I had my truck back the next day. They just, how do you fix it so fast? I was going to try to go over there.

And then I'm like, and then I call them, I'm like, do you have saw that door? And they're like, they're like, no, that, you know. that went in, you know, in the scrap, metal scrap, and this metal scrap took off, you know, in the bin, the big metal scrap. I called, because I wanted to at least try to get some, for my own, just for me, you know. And I could never get that, because that was, you know, physical proof to that, yeah, I'm not nuts. You know, look at this door, you know. Yeah.

I wasn't thinking about that when I shut down for the night, you know. I wouldn't either. Honestly, like, I mean, by time you get back at the end of night, I mean, you said this happened probably around 730, so you're looking at sundown is starting to come now. Yeah. Well, actually, at that time, about 9.30 was getting dark. I had a few hours of daylight when that happened. Yeah. But by time I got back to work, I was dark when I got back.

Yeah, and I'm not looking to want around my truck in the dark that night. It was about 9.30 when I got back. Yeah. 930 or 10. So it was dark. I know when I got back for sure. And was your terminal, a type of terminal that had people working there 24-7, the guys working the dock at night?

No. So it was dark there and it was alone. Yeah. Because you're one last guys in, you're one of last guys out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I usually was one of the last guys out in the morning and last coming in in the evening.

So you're in the yard alone. dark, so you just had a monster. We had, yeah. No, thanks. Yeah, yeah. That'd be terrifying. Yeah, yeah. So, after that,

it was really, there's really not much more to it. I mean, other than later on, there's some things that happen. Well, yeah, later on ties everything else together, kind of. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, as far as that incident goes, Right. Yeah. I mean, so I mean, that's obviously like a very dramatic experience. And, you know, I know there's a lot of psychological aspects that kind of pushed you around a little bit too. I mean, it really messed with you for a while. Yeah. And we can definitely go there. But to kind of bring the story full circle, I guess I'll pose this question. You can kind of take it from there. How long of a period of time was it from the, the time that this night happened to when you were visited and told you done messed up.

It was, I talked to Lance Hightower about it in December. He put it out in January that following year, I think, and it was like the same month. So we're talking about seven months? Probably. From the time of the incident? Yeah, because when that went out, they knew who their man was. How did they track you, though? You were anonymous with Lance.

That's the crazy thing. I mean, like, I know the NSA has like these data storage buildings and all. Well, they knew someone killed their thing, right? Killed it. Yeah. Well, everything that I said on his podcast that he knew. narrated massed up. So they knew.

They just knew. Yeah. It's it's disconcerning. Is that the right word? It's concerning. It's concerning, actually. Not disconcerning. It's concerning.

Yeah. To know that they can kind of track you like that. And that was in 2017, which by the way, this show was about six months old at that point. Yeah. So we were early days then. In fact, that was probably right around the time that I came out with the episode I killed Bigfoot. So because I think I killed Bigfoot was around episode 30 something. So that would be about almost halfway, a little more than halfway through the first year.

But anyways, talk to me about how that whole scene unfolded, though, because you're dealing with your own psychological mess from this. But then it kind of gets enhanced with your visit. Yeah, well, I'm in a brand, the thing is, is too, I just got a brand new truck at this time. You know, every year they, it would put me in a new one. Senior driver. Yeah. So I'd get it.

And I was, this truck was like two days old. And had like 200 miles on it. And I get pulled in the way station for, I think is an inspection. I'm like, what? They hit, really? You can tell us brand new truck. You can tell us right now.

So I'm like, okay, whatever. You know, this will be easy. It's new. It's nothing going to be wrong, right? And, but they said, I started to go in with paperwork. You know how you do. You think, you know, if they don't, they direct you, you know, if it's going to be a level one or whatever level it is.

And I'm like, well, it's probably a level two or three or something. I walk in. I start to walk in and park behind the chicken coop, we call it. But they come out to me, one of the guys said, no, we're not doing an inspection. We were just instructed to hold you here by, you know, federal authorities. Jeez. Your stomach dropped, right? Oh, yeah.

It just like just dropped. you know, what? Did I get framed for something? You know what I mean? I mean, is there something in my trailer that I don't know about? I can't imagine that, but I'm sitting there, and they finally get there, and I'm like, freaking, I got my guns and everything in there.

I got a rifle and a pistol. What was the company policy on that whole thing? No, no weapons. Yeah. But, you know, whatever. Yeah. It's my life, not theirs. So in this moment, though, are you thinking, because, I mean, you're legally allowed to carry.

I'm legally federally. By DOT federal and regulations, I'm allowed, but company policy. Right. So are you more concerned about losing your job more than what they're going to have an issue with? No. I carried for years, and they never knew it. Gotcha. They never knew it.

Years, you know. I'm not flashing it or telling anybody. It's for my own personal protection, which obviously I'm pretty damn glad, you know. Yeah, justified. Yeah. But so I did get there and they come at me, you know, right out the gate. When they get there in an SUV suburban thing, you know, which you typically would see, I guess, you know. And there's two guys and they say, you know, you.

you we have some information that we need to talk about and that we're here to tell you that you've stepped over you know some I think it was like you stepped over the line when you did this and you started talking about it and we are making sure you're not going to talk about it so this is what's going to happen and this is how it's going to go you know or we can make your life, you know, very miserable. And they were, they were pretty nasty about it, too. It wasn't like, you know, a gentle conversation, you know, it was, they were pretty aggressive.

And they took my phone. Did they tell you what you did, though? Yeah. Well, I said, well, yeah, here. Then so much was going on. I'm just trying to remember, I can't remember verbatim, but the, just, It was just coming at me like pit bulls, you know. And I'm like, well, you know, what did I do?

I mean, what is this about when they said, well, you know what you did? I said, no, I don't. I said, well, you killed our asset. And I'm like, what do you mean? I didn't kill it. And then I'm like, you know. Light bulb. Light bulb, you know.

That's their asset. Like another stone drops. my gut, you know? I mean, it's like, well, this is, you know, so what are they going to do to me, you know? I'm powerless against this. They take my phone, we need your phone. We need to, we're searching your truck, get out, and I hid my pistol behind, the CB, you know, I pulled it out, put it back in, hitting my pistol up there. Because I did this ahead of time because I'm like, I don't know what's going on, but I'm hiding that.

And, but I had a rifle I couldn't hide. It was in my top sleeper bunk up there. And it was, I hit it. I just had that just to have it, you know, back up. Considering all things. Yeah, considering those things are out there, you know, the, you know, and stuff. I just, I mean, I guess I got God. But, you know, we also need to do our part, right?

God gave us guns. Yeah. I don't have a spirit of fear. It's not that, you know. It's just, you know, thinking what I should be doing. That's all, you know. I'm not really, I wasn't ever fearful. I was afraid at the time, but I became a lot less fearful,

the more I talked about it. and researched it, you know, and realized that, you know, it's nothing to be afraid of, really. Not in the regards of knowing what I found out, you know. It is, but it's still not, you know, because of, I think the nature of these things are of a spiritual nature at the very core of it. And they do become, you know,

in physical in nature, but they're not always that, and they're not, and some of them might be, but I think a lot of them are not. So anyway, they took my rifle. They found that. They took it, and so I've had them, they gave me a lot of instructions about not talking about it anymore. and the things they can do. We can, you know, you can drop dirty on a drug test and you lose your CDL and this and that.

And, you know, there's things, we can do whatever. So just stay quiet. Well, it worked. You know, their intimidation worked. And I didn't say anything for like four years, you know, to anybody, nobody. It was like, there's no point, you know, I don't need to be, have my life miserable.

Well, they do the few things to show they could do it. They shut my bank account down for a minute. Isn't there really? Yeah. Yeah. And but I got it, huh? That day? No, no, it was, you know, it was right to a day or two later.

Wow. Right after that. And then I asked the bank, what was that about? And they said, well, was anything federal going on there? We're like, yeah, something like that. They gave me some vague thing, but we got to turn back. back on for you. So I don't know.

They were real vague about it, but it was something. They said, yeah, I think it was something to do with federal. But they didn't give me any information at the bank. But I knew that was them, you know. They said, you'll know what's us. You know, you might not. They just said all kinds of things that I guess that unless they told you ahead of time you might not figure out, but they said, you have your warning.

So when things go sideways, you'll know what that's about. So anyway, that was, and then I didn't say anything until four years later, and about the time I met you, you know, at that conference. And so you keep your mouth shut and come down at a conference. What was the motivation to start talking at that point? were you even planning on talking about that point or you were just planning on just relating because I remember let me just say this I do remember sitting at a table with you and you're telling me this story but you also were like you didn't say it like exactly like this but I could

tell you didn't want to talk about it like officially but you were telling and I was just like I was kind of confused in the moment I was like I was confused like does you know who I am do I really want to do this I was confused too am Should I really, do I really want to talk about it? Because I wasn't sure if you understood what I did, because I was thinking of myself, like, you're telling me this story and this is what I do. I document this stuff and I was confused. Well, you know, I was a little bit coerced, you know.

It wasn't like, hey, dude, look, I got this story you should hear. Yeah. And I'm glad I was a little bit coerced because it, it, then I opened up. Yeah. after that and realize, you know. The secret is what gives them the power over you. Right. And I started, and things started clicking in that regard for me.

I'm like, you know, I'm not doing this no more. And I felt like, you know, God put, Jenny kind of like put her in that position to, hey, this is your segue into opening up this for my glory, you know, and whatever that is. So, and to let people know that

if you're going to be any kind of an open-minded person, this may help you. Very well may help you in certain situations that you should at least be aware of you know and when i realized that i'm like you know i'm done with that and being quiet about it and i felt better too i did feel better and i felt like it was doing what god put in front of me to do and it was a relief i got to tell you um when i first met you

And in hearing you tell this, it kind of makes things fall in line more mentally for me to make that make sense. Because I remember after that day, I felt like I scared you away. That's how I felt because I was like, you're telling me something like as a podcaster alone, just as the podcast of the document stories, I was like, this is the golden goose. I know I wasn't telling you. But then you were just like so standoffish for me. Then I was like, oh, I freaking scared this guy away. I wasn't telling you as a podcaster. I was telling you as a person.

Yeah. I knew who you were, though. I listened to your podcast before that conference. I knew exactly who you were. Jenny didn't know who you were. Well, I mean, she's off here arguing. She did, but not as well as I did.

I know if she did, but I knew you better than she did. I know I did. I listened to him since he was in Tennessee. We'll call this signal Merkel Wars. Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. He was. O.G. fans.

Which one's the OG fan? I was a fan. I wasn't telling you because of that. I wasn't expecting to tell anybody. I meet Jenny, and she's, you know, encouraging me that I need to talk to people about it. And so I was, okay, I know you're a podcaster, but. I'm not trying to talk to you as a podcaster. More like, I know this guy has heard stuff and he'll believe and give me his,

or give me his time his year. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. And then I did, though, I did agree to come on your show, though. Yeah. At somewhere in that conference, I think I did agree at some point. I intended on coming on your show and took three. years.

Well, I mean, to be fair, you did stop here like two years ago and we spent the day together. We just didn't record. I was, I think, I still had, I wasn't apprehensive then, but something had just happened that kind of freaked us, me and Jenny out. What happened? Remember the gun? It showed up. Yep.

Out of nowhere. I do remember that. because at the time of the conference, you still didn't have that gun back. So the gun that they took from you, you didn't have. That was just gone. Right. So what happened? Just before we visited a couple of years ago, was it a week or two before we were here,

that gun showed up in the back of my truck. And she just, well, did you discover it? north. Why don't you scoot over the microphone over here? Yeah, I did. We were getting ready to head up north. We had been shooting like the Thursday prior. And we hadn't been to the back of the truck since then.

So I'd been like almost a week or so. And so we went to go throw our bags in the bag of the truck. And there's this huge box, almost like for a mirror or a large picture frame or something like that. And Joe right away goes, this isn't mine, and he like recoils back. And I said, what do you mean? He's like, this ain't mine.

I said, well, see what it is. And he pulls it out. He takes his knife, cuts it open. And I can just see in his face, like the color drain. And then he puts his hand in. And he recoils his hand back. And then he pulls, I see a butt of a gun coming out. And I said, is that a gun?

Is that the gun? And like I said, I could just see in his face, yes. And he nods, yes. And I started saying a lot of expletives. I mean, we were just freaked out because the back of his truck was locked. And the other thing was, is what do you call those toppers? I always forget the tunnel cover. Yeah, tonal cover.

And the way his fit, you had to run your finger under this lip for it to close right and lock. and that was all closed up right and locked. So somewhere in that week we'd been driving around with that gun, unknowingly in the back of that truck. And they just came in and, you know, it's just a very creepy feeling to know that they've been on your property, in your vehicle. You didn't see them.

You didn't hear them. And you just didn't know a thing. And my first thought was, what did they do with that gun? We believe it was a message. That's what I think. You know, is there someone's DNA on it tied to a crime or something, you know? So this is where my mind is going.

And I said, you got to, I said, let's get a boat and take it out to the middle of Lake Michigan and dump it, which is not what happened. But I said, you got to deal with this because they could very easily tie you to some crime. This is just another car, you know, it's like another move on the chestboard. with these guys. So anyway, that's what happened before we came down here. And I think that kind of freaked us out. Yeah. They were kind of skittish. But, yeah, that's, so we, I had it dealt with. I still got it. And it's actually, she, this is another one. She, it's one of her favorites to go out and shoot now. Yeah, mine too. Yeah. The history, right? Yeah. It's just a sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

chambered in 13. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, it's fine. They can't tie me to nothing if that's the case. So, you know, I'm not worried about it. I do feel like there's, like I said, there's the sense that they only had the power over you when you were willing to play the game of being quiet. Yeah, I started to talk.

She started talking. They're like, okay, shut up with yours. Because I was talking about it. I'm like they got my gun and they won't give it back and it's been years. And I, because I asked them, I said, how am I going to get my gun back? Well, we'll let you know and don't worry about it and whatever. And okay, well, I know that's, I'm never going to get it back. And so I was starting to, you know, complain about it.

And, you know, when I'm talking to people about my story, you know, but, you know. I mean, and then I get it back and they're like, okay, no, you can shut up. got your gun back, you know. It tells you that they're listening. They're keeping tabs. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a message.

But anyway, they've been leaving me alone. I mean, there's, there has been a little bit of assistance on my end, too, to help me deal with that. I know certain people that I've told Jenny about, but they've helped. help me out. And I haven't had any trouble since. All right. I got to ask you. Are you willing to say what, who, how the certain people? I got you. They're still active. Gotcha. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. So.

It's good to know some people. Yeah. I got you. So we've talked about this experience and there's a lot of different aspects of it that we should probably revisit as far as, maybe dissecting a little bit. Let's start. I want to make sure we hit the idea of the metaphysical aspect, but let's start with where we just kind of came off of killing the asset. Obviously, they're not going to lay out their whole operation to you, but like what are you, when you said when you killed our asset at that point,

I said, well, if you keep your dog on at least, I was getting real, I was getting upset now. I was getting real facetious about it. Myself, I'm like, okay, you guys, I'm done taking. You know, I'm done taking your cuff here, you know. I'm just not, I'm going to protect myself and start standing up for, I'm not, you're not going to intimidate me. And you keep your dog on a leash and you would still have it.

Why? And you're mad that I saved my life, you know. and killed whatever this thing is, that's yours, and you're mad that that's dead and I'm not. Yeah. You know, I mean, that's, what is that? You know? Right.

You guys are evil, you know? You guys are evil. You know, that's what I told them that. You know, well, that's what we do. So, and that's a, and I ask them where they, you know, what, and they did tell me, they flash something at me where they're from what they're doing and for who and they're, they said, it's just a matter of Homeland Security. It was Homeland Security.

What do you think that they're using it for? Well, you know, a lot of things, really. I think they've been using them a long time. From what I've discovered in my research, from a lot of, well, several people that are definitely good sources, trusting sources that I can say that. That it looks like they've been using these things and that they are of a foundationally of a Nephilim nature.

You heard of, well, you've heard of, you know, of course you know about the deep understanding, underground military bases. Tell me. I know you know all about that. So that's their part of all that system, you know, and others too. And there are demonic entities that we know that our military is coercing with and getting deals.

technology and things, you know, for serving them that side of things, you know. And these things are sourced from that. And I do believe, of course, there's a DNA hybrid thing going on with it. But it comes from, you know, the Genesis 6 originally. All this stuff. I believe that with Bigfoot, too. So do you think that they're basically Genesis-6ing today through scientific means? Is that what you're suggesting then? That they're basically creating human hybrids of creatures.

Yeah. And that would be obtained knowledge from fallen angels. Yes. Gotcha. That's exactly when I'm pretty sure from everything I can gather at this point. point it all points to it do you feel then that because i feel like that about ufos as well yeah in fact i i i'm on the i'm on the line of saying i know because of the people i talk to so like i'm pretty much there on that exactly do you feel like the topic of cryptid dogman bigfoot this side of things

and the ufo do you think that they're they're basically the same topic and we just have a hard time seeing everything for it we compartmentalize it yeah and it's all one ball away wax. It really is. If you really study this stuff, every bit of it, it all fits like a puzzle to that Nephlin agenda stuff, you know? Yeah. It really, it really takes a little while to get there. I mean, it took me a minute, but it's where it leads you.

If you want to follow the truth and be, you know, if you're not, You know, if you don't have cognitive distance that's controlling you, you know, and you see things in the world for what it really is. And I know a lot of what it is doesn't seem to be true because it's of a spiritual nature and it's hidden very well, you know, but the devil hides in plain sight. Yeah. You know, yeah, that's where I'm at. And it really is a, it's demonic to the core.

everything, there's God and everything else. You know, that's just the way the world is, you know. So you can literally say you're a demon slayer. Oh, I never thought about it in that regard, but I imagine I am. So when that night happened and it did the telepathy where it spoke to you and said, I got you now or whatever was, because what you were told as, this is our asset, and it's out there, and it seemed like it was hunting you, does that mean that they released it to hunt somebody that night?

Well, you know, it's speculation. There's a lot of me and Jenny have speculated on it, a lot of other people have, but the consensus pretty much is it was on a hunt, and it was probably a test for that creature, or I believe there was other ones there too. That's what happened is there was other ones I didn't see that might have been one on my driver's side. I don't know.

There probably was. There wasn't anybody on the road at that time, but me and that thing, you know, for, it was a good several minutes. So I do believe that that's what dragged that thing into the woods. Another dog was. Another one or two, however many there was. And those people were the handlers that I saw.

You know, they come to all these conclusions later, but those were handlers. And that there was a female there. She had a device in her hand that looked like it. I thought it might have been a cell phone or something. At the time, you know, you don't know. at the time, but after the fact, I think that was some kind of device to control these things. They have a chip in them or they have something going on.

I, you know. It's been a long time since I've heard this. But years ago, before I started the podcast, I was listening to all these different podcasts and stuff about Bigfoot and cryptids. And a friend of mine, Justin Fall, had a show called, I think it was called The Fourth Watch. and he had our friend Wes Gummer on the show. And Wes was telling stories in that show. And I'm pretty sure it was there that I heard Wes talk about stories that he heard of government releasing these things out at night and having some kind of tech in it where it's like, kind of like in my mind, the flip of a button or flip of a switch, it like calls them back in.

And it's like they know when to go back. And so that's kind of what's what you're describing. Well, there was someone at, we went to another, the next dog man conference, me and Jenny did after the next following year. I don't know if was that one or if it was maybe a comment. Jenny remembers, but it was a comment that someone that lives in that area said they saw cages in the middle of nowhere up there just dropped in a field in the middle of the woods. in that area when he was hunting or he was scouting for, you know, deer or whatever he was doing.

And he couldn't explain that, you know. They say how big the cages were? They were huge and they were massive and they were thick. And they, you don't get those, there was no way to get them there. They had to be airlifted like by helicopter or some other UFO thing or, you know, or whatever they do. but there's no way. And so I think that's probably one of the tidbits of information we got from a guy that lives there and said, and I think there was other comments from people in that area that it's mostly a place where you have like cabins that are seasonal area.

But there's locals that are spotty that live in those woods, too. Yeah, cabins and houses. And they said, oh, yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff happening like that up here. You'll see some real crazy. And that metallic sound I heard. And what was all when all that perception thing? What was that a portal? Yeah.

I mean, you know. Yeah. I don't know. There's some things I still have a lot of questions about. that within my situation with the whole thing. But I think I have some kind of a handle on what some of it probably is, though. Like, was I close to a portal or probably or within a time shift of some, or something that they do to get these things out in our reality, possibly?

I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't really don't. But I think I have some kind of idea, even though I don't know the science behind it. Oh, yeah, nobody. I mean, certainly none of us do. But I know that kind of science, I'm 99% sure we're using that. Yeah, of course. And I think the verbiage you just used was, like, close to a portal,

is probably even the wrong verbiage, because the more I've thought about these things, I don't know if portals are fixed anchored locations. I think that they are mobile. And if somebody can, if there's a technology being used to open them, there's certainly, I'm sure of it, there's got to be an ability to choose where they open.

So what you experienced, if, say there was something opening up right there where these things came out of, I mean, excuse me, it would explain a lot for the, the warping, the muffled,

almost like you were on the edge of something that was kind of metaphysical opening up and your physical body was reacting to it, you know? Even everything, all my perceptions were altered. I'm not, I didn't feel like I was, I'm not altered in a way that, you know, like a drunken state or anything or a dizzy or anything like that. Just the colors were off.

sound was off. Everything was just a little bit off. You know, my truck was still running. It sounded different. You know, it was just hard to, it's hard to explain what, what the experience was like. People who experienced, so we just came out with a documentary called the Meadow Project. and the story there, well, there's a lot of stories, but this story that got us there was they documented a case where they were there researching the meadow and a cubed portal opened up on the meadow. And you couldn't see with your naked eye, but you could see it on thermal. And they directed two or three men to the location where this was at. So you have a two-man team seeing this on the thermals. I think it was two different thermals they actually saw it,

on. One, you can see better than the other. They're directing another team over to it. And you see on video, now, where the video kicks in, the recording, the portal itself was fading, but they knew exactly where to take these guys. And you see on video the guys, once they cross the threshold of where that cube was, they disappear. And those guys, they said that when they entered into that portal of whatever it was, the environment around them changed. Like they could tell they were entering into something. And so with you, you weren't physically moving, but something was moving into your area.

And it sounds like you were experiencing that shift of reality, which was like, you're here, but there's something else coming and overlapping this reality now. Yeah. Well, you know, that kind of makes sense because, you know, when I, I started moving and I turned back around again, that kind of, like, dissipated, you know. Yeah. Like, totally, you know, so.

But then that dog man's there now. Yeah. You know. Dinner time. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, it's, there's a lot of speculation, but I think we're close to what happened there, I think, I believe. agree. I mean, of course, there has to be speculation on things that we're discussing that are

outside the realms of what happened to you that night. But, I mean, like, for instance, you take the guy who said that he saw the cages and you suggested air dropping, you even brought up UFO, that literally could be something where portled in. Like, I know it sounds sci-fi, but I mean, it's we're talking about very advanced technology. We're talking about we're in an age right now where our government is saying yes, UFOs are real. We have governors, not governors, a congressman and congresswomen who are saying yes, not only are they real, but we have access to information to make us believe that they're interdimensional. Well, if UFOs and our government is telling us that they are interdimensional, there's no doubt in my mind they've been reverse engineering it. There's no

doubt my mind's been dabbling with it, they have the ability to make things pop in and out of the existence. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard from credible sources that you'll, the people that have been in these things, a few credible sources at least, that inside of these craft, you know, if it's a recovered craft, if they're on that kind of a mission, there's Inokian language in those, you know, that that'll tell you everything you need to know. pretty much. Yeah. I mean,

we, that was one of the most documented stories on the show for us, was when we had Charlie on, and he was retrieving data off a downed aircraft. There's a long mission.

And actually, I, I'm writing about it, that whole story, but, so I've been revisiting it, you know, and the details.

And the details, it's funny, after years, I came out with that in 2019, and so it's been six years and you forget some of the details until you go back to you're like wow you know and like the light bulbs and all the things start connecting to what you already know now from six years of experience and talking to people yeah and all of a sudden the story has new layers to it um but he talked about seeing an no keen language and he didn't know what that was but a scientist

told him this is nookane language and he said what's that and the scientist's like it's a demon language. We need to get out of here. Yeah. And so, and the way he described that story, it seemed like it was tech that our government didn't want other governments to get their hands on, which makes you feel like it was ours, or at least it was, it was tech that was brought here, that they knew who brought it, and they just didn't want anybody else to touch it except for them, which tells you they're reverse engineering, they're gathering data, and they're building these things in black sites. and if it's through demonic means i mean again it circles right back to enochian book of

enoch yeah and and nefarious dark evil sources absolutely yeah and what you saw that night was pretty dark and evil yeah i believe it was you know a demon basically at its core it looked like If you were looking at it like I was, wasn't an animal. I'll tell you that. No. I mean, I'm looking at it now. And that's a pretty good representation.

That's a little small. Yeah, that's what I thought too. That's what I thought too. But that's really a good representation right there. It really is. I tried making it bigger. And it just wasn't happening. Yeah, it's like, that's impossible.

It gives you the idea of exactly what my vantage point was, it really does give you that. I looked at it when I walked in and I was putting me right back there. You paused. Physically, you paused. Literally, when I saw your body language, I was like, oh, shoot, I didn't even think about that. I didn't think about putting that image up on a TV, especially not going to warning you. Yeah. You just walked in on it and saw that.

I could tell it took you back. Yeah, yeah. Has anybody ever done an artistic rendition of that night for you? Yeah. Yeah, it was Sabilla. She's a good lady. We never got back to really, I don't know what happened, but she did get close to getting the AI.

I don't know how she does it, But we collaborated through emails, and I'd say do this, through that. She was getting closer, but somehow we didn't finish it yet. And I don't know why. We just didn't. But maybe we can still. I know she's still out there. I just never got back to her, you know, and maybe she got busy.

And I guess, you know, she was close. At the end, the last one she did was. I'd say she was 95% there, you know. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know she, she had talked to you recently, but. Yeah, she, Seville did a, um, uh, an artistic rendition of my friend Dave Groves, uh, in Pennsylvania, his Bigfoot citing. Um, for years, it was one of the more detailed encounters that I had personally ever heard. Uh, he was.

a believer. He didn't even think about Bigfoot until he was four-wheeling one day. And I think in the Allegheny National Forest, and this thing was standing there off the trail. And he could see from the knees up. And it's a pretty detailed story as far as what he saw. And Sibillo was able

to do an artistic rendition. So, and he, like, for the longest time, it was on his Facebook page as like a profile picture or something. Like he was like, this is exactly. So, yeah. That's cool. So you have this whole thing happen, but it wasn't the introductory to the topic per se. It wasn't until, like you said, you were looking back at your life and you saw what you saw

out the window when you were nine years old. What you saw that night, though, it never stood up on its hind legs, right? It was just on four legs, this giant wolf. I was on four legs. I would say it looked, you know what a Shetland pony size is? No. It's looked about that size. It's a small horse size.

A very small horse. Like maybe a massive dog, like a Great Dane, maybe size. Okay. But it was a wolf. I couldn't see anything but the rear of it. It was walking away, but it did come out around the granary. And it was probably 100 yards away. across the street from where I saw it but it was foggy and it kind of like walked off and it was

walking as a fog it disappeared and there was 90 acres of raspberries there you know where where that was at you know I used to be anyway I don't think it was raspberries at the time but yeah my grandfather grew raspberries and that's all he did you know and it was he had like 90 acres of them Usually. So I wanted to talk about some other things that you've experienced in life. And this was obviously one of them. But you brought up earlier that you had experience with Bigfoot. And I know of two situations, one in the military.

And I don't know if there's a handful in Louisiana, but I know something happened in Louisiana, too. Yeah. Yeah. Which one happened first, though? Louisiana. Yeah. Yeah, I was in the Army at the time. This would have been, I think it would have been like,

I had to be 19. And we were off duty. It was a weekend, I guess. And it was five of us all together. Me and my buddies, we're out in the woods. We're just blowing off steam, you know, getting away from the stuff that on post and on duty things. And we just saw we go out in the woods and just explore, you know.

And this is close to Fort Polk. It's in the woods. Really? Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I was stationed at Fort Polk.

Interesting. Okay. I'm interesting. At that time. Yeah. Oh, my gears are turning. Why is there a lot? I haven't researched a lot about.

I have an episode called the Fort Fort Polk Dogman. Oh. Yeah. Okay. I missed that one, I guess. That's fine. Okay, but anyway, yeah, we, and being young guys and whatever, where climbing, they have these skinny pine trees there all over the place, you know, and they're growing like weeds, but they're real thin and tall, a lot of them. There's saplings, but they're really tall.

They go up 30, 40 feet. Well, we'll climb, we were climbing up them, and they'll bend over and they'll let you go. you know, you get close to the ground, you let them go and they snap up. And it just, you know, it's just silly stuff we're doing you, right? Yeah. All five of us are doing this. Well, we started, we do that for a while and this big, big foot comes out. And as we're walking deeper in the woods and just stands there,

wiggling his fingers, looking at us, he's like about eight, eight and a half feet high, tall. And he's just rocking like this. And he's not making any noise or not, and nothing aggressive, but he's like done with our crap, I guess, is what it seemed like. We started talking about it afterwards. And it was like he was like an old man telling the kids to get off the lawn. You know, where I'm done with you, just get out of here.

That's kind of what the vibe we got because he wasn't coming after us. He was, and we looked at each other and we were standing there. What do we do? You know, and we just started back. We didn't, like, we just started, we didn't, we didn't have any weapons or nothing, you know, anything on us. We're just out there doing that stuff. And we just started backing up. And as we started backing up, we got around a, in a path we were coming down.

I think it was maybe, it could have been a game trail, but it was, and there was a lot of open area you could go through any, just about any way. It was just a lot of pine trees, you know. And we get out of sight of him. He never chased us. He never did anything. And we turned around. We took off. And I was driving.

And I had a big Buick at the time. And we piled in all five of us easy in that. You know, it was 68 Buick is what it was at the time I had. And we got out of there. And we talked about. we'd never say anything to our anybody you know officially up but among ourselves you know we talk about it but um one of the guys was from michigan too he was actually from battle creek you know one of the guys i i lost track of them no that was so long ago but um but yeah all those guys i knew

very well. We trained together for a long time, you know. We just not, we just agreed never to say anything about it, you know, because that, they, they don't look too finally on that kind of thing for promotions or anything. If, because they'll put things like that in your, in your file, you know. Yeah. Crazy. And then, and, you know, you got an officer saying, well, who's up for promotion or this or that. Oh, you saw a big foot. Well, let's pick this guy. And, you know, little things can really.

What was, was this on the training area? Or was this off base? It was, it was close to it. It wasn't on base. But I would say we were within 10 miles of the perimeter. Of where you guys train. It was five to 10 miles. Because this is a big base.

Yeah, it's huge. Yeah. Many, many, many miles. We trained on it all the time. Right. drive around like how big is this place man we're we've been driving forever you know and it seemed like we're still on base you know we're still we're still on it you know an hour you know like we're still on it you know it's big it's really big um yeah and we'd you know fire artillery and

tank ranges out there and all that. But it was, it was, you know, at the time, you know, I was in an artillery regiment at the time, but yeah. What was your extent of awareness, I'd say, of Bigfoot? I want to say knowledge, like you were a researcher or anything, but like, did you even think that, did you ever see anything about a Bigfoot? Did you guys know it was Bigfoot? because like i know some people who encountered this these things for the first time like i don't know

what that was there's a monster well we were all freaked out of course but um we knew it was a big foot there was no you know they say it it does have some ape type features but it looked like a human just an ancient um prehistoric if you know the skulls that they find of prehistoric if you know the skulls that they find of prehistoric people that look a little different than us but just a lot bigger you know that's he looked he looked like a human he didn't look like an ape you know he had a nose like us it was just flatter and real broad like you know um really um his eyes were not human looking though his eyes were dark and Like almost the eyes, the thing is you couldn't really see the eyes because it were dark.

You could see like the holes there, you know, like the orbits maybe, but in the brow ridge and just darkness there. No whites or didn't see any of that or the teeth looked like maybe chicklets, you know, like big squids. teeth. He wasn't really showing his teeth, but what teeth? He was only, he was only 25 yards, 30 yards away. That's pretty close. And he was brown, you know, kind of brindle. But yeah, that's, that's pretty much it on that, and that is that they look like chicklets and he looked human. His teeth were

really weird, but human-like. You know, I just remember that being sticking out my mind, you know, the teeth. Eyes you really couldn't see and he was he was giving, he wasn't

vocalizing or moving towards or anything. He was just like, you're not going any further. We don't know if he was, I got a family back here and, you know, you're not coming this way. But he came right out in our totally full view of us from out of behind some scrubby brush over to our right and just stood there just squared up like this. And then rocking and his fingers are doing this, you know.

it went rocking and you went rolling yeah yeah uh man i got dad jokes for days um yeah me too i so i'm trying to think back to the episode i did with this one guy i remember he was from south america his very strong accent um but he served in our military and uh he was stationed at fort polk and he was doing a training exercise and i think his partner or the officer he was with had to go back to the barracks or something for something. He was left out there alone. And when he was out there alone, he had this encounter. And what I, what I, I don't remember all the details of that, that experience that he shared. It's been probably 300 episodes ago. Um, but he, I remember him describing something that happened that I think people were saying,

why didn't you ask him about? And it's because it didn't cross my mind. He described an environment that would allude to this thing. popping in through a portal. And so we have that story, but we also have a story that we documented on the show. And it's a member's episode from years ago. I had a guy on who was stationed at Fort Campbell, and he talked about dog man on the back 40 on Fort Campbell. And that was actually, the back 40 isn't far from where I met you.

that conference. And he said that it was not uncommon for the term dog man to be called out over the radio on the property. And so what was so what was interesting about that that story that the audience didn't get to experience was the lead up to it, which was I was in a group chat with two other guys plus times with three guys total that were all part of this one night when this incident happened. And they all were willing at the time to come in here to the studio because the back 40 is probably about a three hour drive from here. Like they were going to come in here and tell what happened. And they got cold feet. And then one guy finally came on remotely with me after he moved from the Fort Campbell to somewhere in Georgia. What's Bennington? Is Bennington

is Bennington in Jersey? Benning. Yeah. Fort Benning. I think it's changed now, even from, I think the name is even different than Fort Ben. I think they've changed it. I just, I'm pretty sure he was in Georgia, but he even said that the class he was teaching while he was in Georgia, when they would have new guys coming in from Campbell, he would bring it up. And they were all in agreement and say, yep, that's a thing there.

But for them, they, he had an experience that was less dramatic, but he had eyes on it, called it over the radio. But one night they were training. And he heard this whole thing unfold over the radio. And the one guy that was in the group chat, it happened to him, but he wouldn't come on and talk about it. Essentially, they were in a unit and a dog man came in and actually grabbed one of the soldiers and pulled him into the brush. And this guy, Mack, who I was talking to actually physically pulled this guy back. And so, like, this whole aura around cryptids, dogman, Bigfoot, around the military bases,

do you feel like there's a connection to that encounter you had to the military base at all? Because I know with what you experienced later with the military might... I wouldn't doubt it, but I couldn't say... Didn't cross your mind at all back then? No. Okay. Not back then. now I'm like, I would think, yeah, it's possible, probably possible, but I couldn't really

tell you if it was connected at all. I do know, when did this happen, this, you know, what year? The Fort Campbell? Well, it was this Fort Campbell you're talking about. Well, Fort Polk is the guy that was from South America. Fort Campbell is the one where the guy got pulled in by the dog man. Okay. Which one are you talking about?

the portal dogman or the pulled in by dog man? The pulled in by dog. That's Fort Campbell. Okay. And that happened, it had to be within the last three years, I would say, because three to five years, because it was right around the time I moved here is when I started talking to those guys.

Wow. You know, there, I don't know, there was some weird things that happened at Fort Polk, though, that I didn't pay a lot of attention to, but I knew there was a few weird training accidents that I heard about. that makes me wonder, you know, about these things being on that installation. Yeah. I couldn't say because I just heard about them and second, third hand and stuff,

but there was some weird training accidents that, wow, you know, it's like, how does that happen? You know, somebody's cut in half. Ooh. Like how, you know, but I, like I said, it's, This is second, third hand, you know, and I've heard, I just heard about them. You know, maybe it was ripped in half and not cut in half. Yeah. And there's been other things that, looking back to that there'll be, I knew an MP when I was there was a friend of mine and I was an MP, but.

would say there was some crazy, like wildlife that they deal with and didn't go into detail, but what was it? Is that what they're talking? What he meant or didn't, but couldn't say at Fort Polk? Well, I mean, we, I mean, I don't know if as far. as the audience goes, people who are watching this right now, I don't know the extent of how far they know about certain things, but there are governments, whether it's local, you know, governments to, I know Washington is, the state is one, but even up in Canada, there's governments that

will put down Sasquatch as one of the animals, creatures that are part of the quote-unquote wildlife. Yeah. You know, it's like, uh, is it really just wild. life? Are we, what are we dealing with here? But it's in, it's in, I know Washington's famous for theirs. And I think I heard people say that it was meant to be tongue and cheek, but the fact is, it's there. But also just the family that was here last week, a father, daughter from Canada, they actually brought a piece of paper showing, I think it was from one of the schools, because I think, I think it was that she was, she was a teacher or her friend was, but it was a piece of paper that was in the school was just showing the different wildlife and one was the Sasquatch.

It was depicted right there. It wasn't even just a word. It's the picture of it. So it wasn't a typo, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's, I think Jack has it over there. Yeah, can you bring it over here?

I want to just show it to them. But it's a, this is actually, I think, part of their school system or something like that. the seven teachings. And it's these animals that, you know, have wisdom, courage. And the Sasquatch is one of the animals that they were showing. I think it was an honesty for Sasquatch or something like that? Yeah, it's honesty for Sasquatch. And so if everything's inverted, we would say deception. Yeah, I think it means the opposite of that. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah, I find it interesting because it's like, the lines get blurred when we hear these stories that you're sharing to what we've heard on the show

before. And it's like there's a very physical nature, but then there's the Native American, these are spirits angle. And then there's the government creating these things angle. And I wish I had the best verbiage to say, but all I can say is it's all of it. And humans are learning how to manipulate the spiritual in the physical. Maybe that's the best way. Maybe that's that, maybe that's the whole run right there. I think you nailed it. I think, I think you really nailed that in the, in the way to explain that in one sentence. Yeah. So case closed, shows done. I'm going to go drive a truck again. Yeah, no. Case crack. No, I'm not doing that. I'd much rather to be a farmer.

I think if I ever do a career change, I'll be the preaching farmer. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be good. Be good life, right? I think it would. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Some corn. Scared raccoons away from my food. Right.

I don't know how good a preacher I'd be, but I'd like to do the farm thing if it was viable, you know. I'm not a great preacher either, but I still do it. Yeah. I've just not in the hand enough not to do that because I wasn't doing it. I do it in the capacity that the Lord's given me. So, yeah. So, all right.

Let's talk about the killing, the dead Bigfoot. I want to talk about that. I don't know much details about it. This was part of the info dump that Jenny gave me before we went live here. So I literally wrote down, Saw, I was just rapid fire writing. So this is literally what it says, Saw Army Dead, Bigfoot Special Training. I don't know what any of that means. Boy, okay.

But maybe you do. I know exactly what they don't. You're giving her to side eye? No, that's okay. It's just, like, funny, you know. She knows a lot of things about me. She draws it out of me, you know? Yeah.

I don't talk about it, but she asks questions and I tell her, you know. Yeah. Okay, so this would have been when I was in the Army, This is the second one that I saw. I was being pushed through certain training cycles that I wasn't actually signing up for, but my superiors thought I'd be good in these capacities from what they could see out of me and leadership qualities that they liked and just the way I operated in my demeanor and just dedication.

You know, I was serious professional in my soldier role, you know, and they, so they would sign me up for these special classes. I mean, it was stuff like, why are you putting me in armor class? You know, I mean, I'm not trying to be an armor, but they did, they do things like that. And I went to different schools and different trainings they sent me on, and they had me doing cold weather training in Alaska. And there was a mountain division up there.

I wasn't attached to them or working with them, but they were there near in training or whatever they were doing, you know, in hindsight. But I think they were out of Fort Collins, I believe, for some reason. and we were out there two nights, I think. You know, it's just mostly what cold weather training, what I was going through is how to survive, because your biggest enemy is weather and the cold and, you know, that is not.

And, you know, of course, the combat aspect is secondary pretty much because you're going to die from the elements. you know, if you don't know how to survive it. So we're going through that. We're miserable. You know, it's a miserable thing. And so I think we had just done the dip in the frozen water and then learning how to get the fire going and taking your stuff off and, you know,

10 below zero. And we hear, and we just pretty much got over that day. And it was, I think the third day, we heard all these 50-cal rounds going off, you know, like the M-2s, you know, the ones that are mounted. And we're like, we're just thinking they're training. And it's not far off. It's, you know, it's close enough. It's got to be within a mile of us. And we, I guess, we decided where we're going to wrap it up.

Our team leader, which he was the lieutenant, told us we're going to go back. Because I guess for some reason he had some kind of indication that that wasn't supposed to happen. And he was kind of a little concerned and like what is happening. Because he knows more than we do. He's an officer. They're, you know, more informed about what's happening. We don't know. We're just doing what you tell us.

So, we go back to where our camp is, and it has, we have those GP tents, you know, set up and generators and everything. We go back, there's, you can get a hot meal and everything, and the lieutenant says, you know, I'm going to go find out what that was about, and he just lets us, you know, get, you know, get, do whatever we got to do to kind of regroup because we're going to go we thought we were going to go back out for another training you know a cycle of three or four days and he said he came back and me and I was like I was like one of the people he trusted the most and he said you know I need you as a witness come with me and then he picked another guy. that was, you know, I was in charge of my squad and another guy in charge of another squad. And so he picked him and he said, come on, I got authorization to go check something out in a tent that wasn't there when we first got there several days before.

And I don't know what he said, but he said I was a little, you know, he said, we're going to look at something. He said, I got a little bit of information that, but he said, if you see anything out of the ordinary, you know, we need to keep this, you know, we have full, you know, like, he was saying full disclosure, just, you know, we keep it between us and any debriefing or anything. We'll talk about that later, but he wanted some witnesses with him. And we go in this tent, and there is crates. And these crates are like, you know, they're huge shipping crates military, and they're like four feet by, like four by four, some like palace size. there like, you know, like three or four. They're kind of like a cube, you know, really.

And I don't remember what was Pat. You have random stuff. Well, there was, so, okay, you got four of those, right, in a line, and they got four of those over here. So you can imagine what that platform is, right? You got four, you know, you got eight feet wide. and then you got, you know, 8, 16 feet long for 8, yeah. Well, there was something on this that took up, not that whole thing,

but a big, huge part of that whole platform, which is 8 by 16. And it was covered up, and it sunk to high heaven, even though it was 10 below zero. And it was totally, and there was armed, there was armed soldiers, like, it was like six of them inside, and there was like eight of them outside that were armed. And we're like, man, this is, this is like kind of, we don't see this every day, you know, something like this. There's something important here, obviously. And so we go in there and there. And there was one of our, well, it wasn't our commander, but it was their battalion commander, a light colonel. He said, here you go.

It's right here. And he pulls it back down to, you know, maybe bottom of the chest. And it was a big foot that they had killed with that 50 cow. And it looked similar to the one I saw in Louisiana, but it was even bigger. It was, it had to be, I got to say it had to be maybe close to 12 feet, the weight judging from those crates, how big I know they are. And then, you know, eight feet wide, it wasn't much on either side of it, a foot maybe, on either side of its shoulders, you know, like seven feet, six and a half feet wide.

I mean and the head was you know as big as any watermelon you've ever seen, you know just huge arms I only saw it up to here

but it had one hand up kind of this way and it had a bullet hole through its hand had like three holes I could see in his chest and one in his neck It probably had more all over.

It was probably riddles, but it stunk so bad. I mean, it was almost, you know, wanted to vomit. You know, it was a mixture of, and being so cold. Had a little bit of layer of frost on it. It's kind of a blonde color. The hair is blonde. Blonde. Kind of a blonde.

Yeah. You know. Male or male. Male. Yeah. I didn't see that, but I, you know, I'm 99% sure it was a male. There was no breasts, you know, like, I'm sure, like Patty, you see. Right.

You know, it was, you know, it was like very, like. Bill? Yeah, pecks, you know, arms were, you know, I don't know, twice as big around as my leg, my thigh, at least twice as big, in the arms, you know. Just massive. I mean, I, is nothing ever, that was all there was to that.

There was nothing that ever come of that. You know, our lieutenant said, okay, I'll, this is, he had some kind of reason, why he needed to do that, but he didn't exactly tell us why. To look at it or show you. To show us. I guess he wanted it in his paperwork or his report that we were,

but it wasn't supposed to be ever talked about or mentioned, you know. We were told, you know, of course, you know, after I got out and everything, we do have like sort of what they call disclosure agreements for things like that. You know, they can come back on us and, you know, disciplinary actions and things. But I think after 10 years, I think it's not even a thing anymore, you know, from what I was told. What year was this? 80. It was just 83. It was, yeah, the winter of 83, 84.

Yeah. It's 83, 84, huh? I was born in 85. Just guys, stick you a little bit. Right, yeah, I'm kind of, I'm up there now. I'm up there. Man, so, man. So you were, it wasn't just you and him.

It was like a whole group. Well, it was me, and it was me, him, the officer. Well, yeah, there was many other, but as far as our squads went in, in our, platoon we were the only three that saw it and i had to sign something too saying that i witnessed that and so did he in his whatever i don't know what he why he had to do that or what he what he thought he had to do that maybe it was i don't know just to run it up the line and see where it goes i don't i don't know you know he's a lieutenant he's a low level officer anyway so I don't know.

But we had a lieutenant colonel, though, show us what that, what occurred there. Maybe he, maybe he did suggest that for his benefit, too. I don't, I don't know. They compartmentalize so much in the military. You're only, I had a top secret clearance, but they only tell you what they want you to know. They don't go any further than that. Yeah. Yeah, that was it.

That was it on that. It's not it. I have a question. Yeah. I mean, you know. So you, because I mean, you're close to it. How far, how far were you standing from it, the body? Like, for me to you.

Okay. So you see enough detail. What, what the skin look like? Could you see the skin? Yeah. Leather. Leathery. So was it black skin or?

Yeah, this one was. Okay. The other one wasn't. The other one wasn't. The other one you saw in the? They looked. similar though i mean feature wise okay but skin and hair where where's the difference of big differences and the eyes were partially open and they were black i don't see any whites

just like a big black eyeballs you know like a big old demon yeah i know they look like if you look yeah that's what exactly what you put you get in your mind is and when you look in the eyes of these things. That's a, that's a demon there, man, you know. Yeah. And that's, and that's where the, the compartmentalization mentally goes for people, too, because it's like, okay, you're saying demon, but how can you shoot and kill a demon? It's like, it's like, you're asking the wrong question because it's not, like the how is unanswerable. I don't know how to answer that, but I can tell you that they, that these things are not just shadows in a house. Like, like, because I think that's where the mentality goes when it comes to demonic things. It's immaterial. It's,

it's wispy, it's a shadow. It's, it darts across the room real fast. Maybe it closes a door, throws something off a shelf, but it's not physical and it certainly can't be killed. And that's, I think that's the direction that we typically go. And maybe, maybe, maybe for a good reason. Maybe that what we're talking about here as, that's demonic, that's a demon, maybe there's different classifications. Maybe there's different, there's so many different variables that can go into it. Right. There is a lot of variables that you have to consider with this too. They obviously can be killed in certain capacities, you know, certain conditions or certain something. Sometimes they can because I heard before I started talking about, and I was researching about my dog,

man encounter. I heard nobody was killing them. They were shooting at them and hitting them and nobody was able to kill one. I'm like, well, I did. I don't know what the problem is. I mean, I'll do it again. I was like, where'd my cold? Why could I do it? Yeah. And nobody else can I, well, one reason is copper, I believe. Copper, if you look into apocryphal text and biblical tax, copper is poisonous to Nephlin. There used to be ancient people that could only kill giants with copper weapons. They couldn't kill them any other way.

And there was that. So these were the things that God had put in my toolbox to get me through that situation was that weapon and that ammunition, I believe. And my wherewithal, from my experience too, you know, of course, but, but he guided me through that whole experience for whatever reason he wanted me to go through this and to live through it and expose whatever I can about these Nephlin creatures. That's what, you know, I believe is

basically what it is. It makes you wonder how many of these missing 411 cases are situations where, because like, I mean, we talk about, you know, like years ago when the missing 411 stuff was popping on the scene, it actually popped on the scene more

before I even started my podcast, but early days of my podcast, the big talk was Bigfoot's taking people. Then it started introducing the idea of UFOs were taking people, and it's like, well, maybe port rolls, and maybe people are shifting into portals by accident and all that stuff's valid in my mind.

But it does make you wonder how many people go missing and they're coming like a missing 401 case because there's some kind of government technology that is haunting and hunting people in national force. That's where yours was, right? A national force, right? Yeah. Yeah. Manasee National Forest in Michigan.

Yeah. Makes you wonder. It makes you wonder. I know it. And, you know, I've listened to it. I don't think every one of those disappearances are necessarily caused by these cryptids. But I think the ones you don't hear about are the ones that don't make it, right? Right.

Yeah. So I was one of the ones that made it through one. And there's a lot to that when you peel back the layers of it that you can extract. and learn from, you know, that I think is important for people to know willing to learn more about them, you know, instead of dismissing them. It's more than on the surface.

It's definitely deep biblical and scriptural behind it, you know, in the learning process. If you don't go there, then you're never going to know what's going on. I believe you're going to be confused. the whole time. You know, I don't get it. Well, yeah, look at how Bigfoot, until they started connecting it,

biblically for decades, we're like, you know, clueless, you know, pretty much out there just hooting and hollering, banging on sticks on trees. Looking for hair follicles, guys. Yeah, you know, I mean, I, I, maybe there's some merit to that, but I'm never going to go looking for them on purpose. Yeah. You know, I mean, I'm just, you know. I know. I mean, I'm not saying if I got caught in.

If I had your experience, I probably wouldn't. Yeah. If I, if I'm not saying if I was in a situation, because I did help a guy. I mean, I think I helped him. I went back into an experience on purpose. I did you, yeah, the year after. Did you tell him anything? You're talking about the guy that you went to his house because he had something going on property. Yeah, I was going to bring that up.

Well, he talked. Oh, okay. Well, anyway, I just thought of that when we were talking about this. And he knew I was a gun guy. You know, we talked guns and he was interested in guns. He liked to learn about guns and how to do. So we went to, you know, I'm just saying we developed this friendship that, yeah, I considered him a pretty good friend. You know, we'd go to a gun store, and I suggest things and stuff like that. He said, you know what? He said, would you mind coming up to my property?

And he said, in the UP of Michigan. Him and his dad owned it for many, many years since he was little, I guess. And it was just him and his dad now. And they'd go up there, you know, it was a vacation, hunting, spot fishing. It's right near Lake Superior. up in the UP, you know. And I'm like, yeah, you know, take this week, whatever weekend you want. And well, this is what started the whole conversation is,

he said I got a big foot up there messing with me and my dad. It's getting in like the feed thing for the dog or it's in the shed. It's busting the door. and it's peeling the roof off of this thing building out here. And it's, there's just all kinds. He just knows he's got a big foot doing this. This is a year after you killed the dog man. About, yeah.

About a year. Yeah. And he has no understanding. Your context of the matter. No. So he's just telling you he has a big foot on property. He has no idea that you have any experience of this stuff. I never told anybody yet.

Nobody. Nobody knows. How much heck does that conversation even start then? Well, because I'm a gun guy and he wanted to get... He just felt comfortable telling you there's a big foot on the property? Yeah. He just...

Because he thought... These guys became friends and... Yeah. Oh, yeah. He said he saw it. He knows it's a big foot. Okay. Well, he thought he saw a big foot.

That's here. We're going to get into that. Yeah, sorry. He was like, I saw something, man. I know it's a big foot, right? I know it is because I saw it, and it's not a bear, and it's not anything like that. I said, are you sure?

Because he said, you know, I get tapping on the house all the time. It's tapping on my house and waking me up and tapping on windows and hitting the side of things. And everything he was telling me is what I've heard dogmen do. You know, I got these claw marks and scratches on my trees. And I'm like, Bigfoot, don't do that that I know of. And they don't tap on windows like that. I know Dogman, I've heard them do that quite a bit tapping with their, you know, the mess with people.

I've heard them just antagonizing people. And I've heard this is their MO more than a Bigfoot from what he's telling me. And I'm like, I didn't tell him. I think he has a dog man. In my mind, I'm thinking he's got a dog, because I'm already, you know, neck deep in all this dog man stuff. And I'm like, he's got a dog man there. And that's not cool.

You know, I think probably worse than a big foot would be. And so I was a little concerned about him, you know. And I'm like, yeah, even though I'm like every, every fiber of me is telling me, you know, what are you crazy? You're crazy, but I was compelled to go. Didn't, you just come up, I'll get, I'll grill steaks and we'll have a good weekend. And I'm like, I'm up there in beautiful UP. Yeah, man, I'll do that for a weekend. I know it's, but the reason why I'm going is, is like tugging me not to.

But so I, we go up, I meet him up there. He got there. He said, I'll be there this time. And on Friday. and, you know, after we get done for the week, you know, because I was still doing the Monday through Friday, you know, daycap. And he got done before I did because, you know, how I do it, come in later.

So I met him up there later. And, you know, we had a good night. We talked about things, you know, at work and whatever and, you know, what's going on there. And it was a little bit dark when I got. there. He's kind of getting dark and I didn't do any looking around yet. And we just, but that so nothing happened that first night either that, out of the ordinary. And, but the second night we were there, it was Saturday.

We started getting these bangs on the house tapping on windows everywhere. And I'm, I'm loaded for bear, you know. I got my Benelli M4 and the 10. table right in front of the door. I have my Smith and Weston 500 on the table. I have a 10 millimeter on me, you know, on my belt, you know, and all bare loads. Everything's bare loads, you know, bare loads in the shotgun, barrel loads in the 500 and bare loads in the 10mm. And I actually have, I actually had copper loads, copper in the shotgun. Actually, I had those, I had those actually loaded for me, you know.

I still got some of them. But, you know, I didn't tell him anything yet. I didn't tell him anything about a dog man at all. I just let him think, you know, this is a big, he wants to get a picture of it. He wanted to get proof. And he just wanted to have, I think it was more, if I was there to help protect him,

if something happened while he was trying to get some proof for himself or whatever the case may be. He just wanted to get proof with a picture, mostly, from what I could gather, what he was talking about. And so he, we get all this activity going on. Something gets on the roof. We can hear it on the roof.

And, and he's like, before I could say anything to him, we're at the table and the door going out. It's like the kitchen is right there. And he hears something on the roof and I hear it. And he's like, grabs this, he grabs his phone. You know, he has his camera on his phone. That's what he's going to use. And he pushes record, I guess, as he's going out the door.

And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm not going out there. I didn't go out. He goes running out. It's dark. You know, this is about 1130 at night. And I just couldn't believe it went out. All I did, the door, the door was open, you know, it didn't have a screen or anything, but he left the door wide open.

I just grabbed my Benelli and had it pointed at the door. You know, that's, I'm not going out there. Not, if you, he didn't tell me anything. He just flew out the door and just, and, um, and I hear a growl. I hear a growl, and it is a deep, like a wolfwood growler dog, but very, very deep and just like it was huge. And I'm just thinking, I hope this, I know it's a dog man now, I just know it is. And I hear a thud, and I hear him screaming, and he's running back and he's yelling. And he's like, oh, my God, you know, he's coming back in.

I don't know what all he's saying. And he comes flying in the door. I said, get down on, get on the floor. And I keep the M4 pointed at the door. I said, cover all the windows. He just cover the windows. He says, oh my God, man. It was just chaos for a minute.

He said, that's a wicker wolf out there. I saw it was in the tree. You know, he had a flashlight too. He grabbed his flashlight and he signed it up. And then that thud I heard, like a huge thud. He came running. It jumped out of the tree and was chasing him. It took pursuit of him.

Yeah. Wow. But I probably could have got him if it. Excuse me, if it wanted to. You know, yeah, that's, and that freaked him out so bad that there was no other incident after that i said we're not going no word and we got to leave man that thing there's a werewolf oh i mean i was just trying to keep them calm i said you know just chill out we got to keep your everything together here we're going to you know you panic and things will get real bad you know

and i i didn't at that time i said well we just hang out here for the night and just stay awake and just watch things you know and i'll if you want he neither one of us could sleep, you know. And we didn't even cook the steaks or did anything. He was going to do that, but we didn't do it yet. And he, so he ended up giving me the steaks and everything. And, you know, and I took him. I'm like, I grilled him later, but.

But anyway, that's kind of the gist of that. And he was, he sold that property. Like, like, it was, he told me, like, Like, I didn't see him all the time at work, but I talked to him on the phones. He'd call me and say, yeah, I sold that property. And we'd talk a little. I told him, I, that's why one of the reasons I went up there is I was concerned about you, you know, being a dog man. And it turned out that it was.

I didn't see it, but I heard it. I heard it come out of the tree. And he said it was like a gray striped. And it was probably about seven feet tall. because I asked them these questions, you know. And so it looked different than mine and was a little smaller, but it was still big, you know. It's bigger than you.

Yeah, yeah. And he said, you know, so I told him, I did tell him about my thing after that. Yeah. I mean, he was the only one because of this situation. And I said, you know, this is between me and you, but this is why I've had this happen to me, similar dogman experience.

And that's why I was investigating these things. I knew this is what I was pretty sure this is what you had going on up there. And he said, a neighbor was having the same kind of issues. And I'm like not real, but neighbors up there are a mile away, you know. But I think they were Amish. And they were having like their horse. is getting attacked or something is what he he heard he didn't like know it for sure and this was one of the reasons why he wanted to see if he could get this thing on camera and know for sure he said he

know he got a glimpse of what he thought was a big foot but it wasn't you know it was did he get it on camera that night no no he didn't have the presence of mind no actually we had to go out and looked for his phone. Really? Out in the, out in, by the tree, he dropped it out there near the next day. I'm assuming not. Yeah, the next day. Yeah.

Yeah. When we were leaving. Yeah. You know, he said, well, my phone's out there somewhere. And so we'll find it. Well, prior to this happened in that day, I also observed some things. I went out and observed. I knew it was a dog, man, because I could tell us.

Actually, I got pictures that I showed Jenny. I still had on my phone of dogman prints around there. I'm like, and I showed him, and I said, you see this? I looked like a big foot to you. It's like, no, what is that? I said, well, it's a cryptid. I knew, I didn't want to freak them out too bad, you know. Huge.

I mean, they were, you know, a size of like a good-sized saucer. It looked like a dog print, you know, like that. big. Yeah. You know, and claw marks and trees busted in places you couldn't get equipment into, to do, you know, and it's the claw marks more than anything. He said, Bigfoot's busting these trees over here. Look, go back in those woods, you know, and so we went back there together. And, and, um, I was like, the more I looked and I could see deep claw marks. Bigfoot don't do that that I know of.

And obviously that was a dead ringer for a dog man because he actually saw it and I heard it. So he got a glimpse of it before, which led him to think Bigfoot. Right, but the coloring is all he saw. You know, and he said it was that striped grayish. Oh, okay. What he did see.

He thought it was like a grayish big foot, you know. So it's not like. He didn't see the whole thing. He just saw the fur in different like areas back, way back in openings of the forest. You know, we could see this moving, you know. So he said, yeah, that's the same thing. But that is a werewolf, man. you know, yeah, it was, it was pretty intense situation.

Yeah. So I put myself again in a situation like that. So you're not looking to do that again? Well, I mean, I'm not saying I would never. My man. Welcome to the team. You have a knack for getting yourself into situations that I've searched before. So you and me are going.

together. I'll just follow you. Well, if the Lord leaves me there, I can't say I won't go against his will. Yeah. And that's what happened here, too. You know, I just felt compelled. I need to, you know. It's my duty almost, you know.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he sold the property in result of that. And I said, did you tell any, the, the, the, the, new owner that bought that anything because that would be wrong if you didn't. He said, yeah, I did tell

him and he still bought it. Yeah, they didn't believe him. Yeah, he's probably. Yeah. I don't know if legally there's any issues there. Ethically, sure. It also

depends. But the new people, who knows what goes on? That thing could have moved He said it wasn't there forever. It was just in the past several months, you know. They had it since he was a kid. Never had anything like this happen. You know, there's Bigfoot activity going on.

He has a lot going on. Yeah. I've heard that was one of the first areas that I heard of that was dog man territory years ago when I first started doing all this stuff. I heard the Upper Peninsula, and I didn't even know what the Upper Peninsula was. like, where's that? And they're like, Michigan. I'm like, oh. And I looked on the map and it's like, wow, that's really up there.

Yeah. There's a lot of Canadians that live south of the Upper Peninsula. They do. They do. Yeah. There's a big Finnish population up there, too, from the old copper mine and iron ore mines back in the 1800s, early 1900s. And there's still like big Finnish communities and different ethnic communities that immigrated. to work in those minds and the, you know, and the descendants are still there.

Wow. So I got to ask you, taking it all the way back to the beginning, and we're going to do this all over again. I'm just kidding. You driving that road that night, you're familiar with this, so I'm assuming you could go right back to that location again. Took Jenny there. I took, um, um,

John Bell there. He wanted to see it. I took, did I take anybody from, there was a crew. I didn't take anybody from that crew, did I? It's just John Bell. Yeah, I took Jenny and John Bell there.

I'd love to see it one day. Yeah, I can show you if you ever come up, up there. I mean, I, I was real apprehensive the first time I went back there, though, and Jenny wanted to see it real bad. And we only, at the time, we were living like 20 miles away from there. And, you know, Reed City's not far from where this happened. And so we don't live there now.

So do you feel like there's something about you? Because, I mean, I'm over here. I'm swinging and missing every time. I'm like, I wish I would. I wish a dog meal come out and, you know. No, you don't. Come on, son. You're out here and just like.

It'll change you forever. I don't know. It's changed. Obviously, it definitely changed me forever. I mean, that was more dramatic than seeing the Bigfoot. Oh, man, yeah. Yeah. It was, of course, it was really.

it was more acceptable, I guess, for whatever reason, just see a big foot, even though as crazy as that kind of a encounter is, it wasn't as scary for whatever reason, and I don't know why, but that dog man is pure terror and hell. From what I, it just, I guess it's the, The aura and the appearance of it, it just exudes like, uh, kill, you know, like kill and maim and torture and I don't know any, all the bad things, you know? Yeah. You can think of this, that's just what it exudes.

And it's just, it's just, it's a scarier cryptid for, for sure. It's really, it's way worse, way worse. it's just so evil is all I got out of it was just a pure evil entity you know

it was really bad for a while for me you know after that yeah it took you down some pretty dark mental yeah for a while until I started I started

realizing that I needed more of God's help with that than I thought. I didn't know anything about him. I thought it was just in a way, I knew it wasn't an animal. I had some, I had it, I did have a, like an indication, the way it felt to me that it was like something that was spiritual,

of nature, in nature. But I didn't, but then I'm like, how, how could that be? You know, I wasn't schooled enough yet on that. I never delved into that topic that deep, you know. I mean, I knew about what it said in the Bible about stuff, but I didn't think it, I didn't connect it yet, you know. I didn't connect it to this yet until I, I did a lot more, my own research and finding out what really these things are at their core, you know.

There's just not a random cryptic that's here for whatever reason, you know, they're definitely here for a reason and it's for, you know, us to serve, you know, the evil side of things and the dark, the dark realm, you know. It's not or not of God. So before we started recording the idea of what runs through your blood, and I said you look like a Viking, do you think that your heritage might be something that is that, like, I don't know how to say it, because, I mean,

there are people who go their entire lives, not only not seeing a cryptid, but not believing in cryptos. And there's people like you, and you're not the only one. There's people like you who aren't looking for it. It finds you throughout your life. Yeah. You know, like, I mean, maybe you, because I mean, we're friends with Martin Groves, Barton, maybe you've gone out in the woods now and gone crazy with swords and stuff with Barton, you know.

I think he wants to kill one with the sword or spear. Was it? Sword. We were talking. I got to get him on some time. Yeah. But, like, do you think that, like, if there's something about you? Yeah, well, a lot of, well, Jenny especially does think so.

She's looked into my heritage a lot more than I have and studied a lot. I'm not, you know, whatever. I'm not like big into that too much, but it is interesting. Yeah. What she's found out about my heritage is that I come from a long lineage of, warriors like tied to DNA that they've dug up and

going back to like 4,000 plus BC, a 2000 plus BC, about 4,000 year, 25 something. A long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

And there's a shield maiden in there, if you know what that is. Describe what a show rating is. Well, there is a female warrior, like Celtic. You know, I don't, I think that was, I'm not sure on the details, but I do know that it was, maybe Jenny could come up with some of these details. She studied it. I haven't studied it as much, but she connects these things to me.

There's other things about me, too, that sometimes I can see, like, I was just discussing this earlier, you know, we were discussing, that I can see, like, I can see, like, the spectrum a little bit more than other people. What do you mean about that? Like, you know, the... Like oras? The spectrum of colors. Okay. And the range of, of like, infrared and stuff like that. Like a little, not always, though, that's what's weird about it, I guess.

I won. I don't know if that ties in anything. It's just something I was discussing. I was like, because I can sometimes see infrared sometimes. Interesting. I can see it. And we were talking, and he was saying that too, and we're talking. That's really interesting.

I mean, like you saw a big foot with the group of guys, but like, I wonder if there is some kind of perception that you have the ability to see things that maybe others wouldn't. That's, that's just something that came to my attention. That's interesting. I never really gave that a whole, I didn't even really realize it that much either until I started. you know, because there's times I can pick up on it. And other people, I can't always see it. But there are times, I don't know if it's angle or I don't know. But I'm like, I'm seeing it, you know?

Yeah. And I'm like, I think that's really weird. I'm not supposed to. Am I? I mean, I don't think we are. I don't know. I'm just a podcast. I'm just a truck driver.

Yeah. It's weird. I mean, I don't want to say you're weird. It's just odd. It's different. It just makes you wonder how and if it ties into anything. That's what I'm, I mean, that's just something that came to my attention. I don't even know what to think about that. And it just, I just started thinking about it just, you know, as we were coming in here. You know, I never thought about that. Maybe there is something to that. As well, and why that is is maybe, who knows in my lineage and heritage of things, you know, a shield maiden is somebody of high stature. They're buried with their two horses and all their, their, you know, wealth and their armor and their weapons and, and their females. and they're like a chieftain in a way you know a thousand-year-old she'll be burqa yeah it's a pretty rare too i guess um and there's that's just one thing there's a bunch it's just shockful of this kind of stuff

that's tied to my my DNA like thousands of years up to today you know even my dad my my grandfather, my gray, I mean that I know from my modern history, you know. So, yeah, she puts more thought into it than I do. That's okay. I don't. I have, I think we can only take in so much. We can, you know. I'm sure there's something to it.

Yeah. I'm sure there is. because it is weird. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, even in the name, there's things to, like, people overlook that stuff a lot. I did for many years. And I recently found out what I thought the last name Merkel meant isn't what it means at all. And the actual meaning of it is like, oh, that makes a lot of sense.

And the fact that I was adopted into the last name Merkel is even more. more divine than anything. And so like your last name, it carries weight. And so your bloodline, where you come from, it's part of you. It's like you're a walking sack of history, you know? My modern predecessors in this country have been here since the revolution. The first one on my dad's side that came over here was a Hessian. You know what Hessians are?

No. They're mercenaries. They're German mercenaries for the England. Wow. He came over here to fight the colony, the colonies for the British. He was a mercenary. It wasn't very good then, was he? No, he was like, yeah, he was a traitor.

He got out here. He's like, I'm a columnist. Nice. Welcome. Yeah. So that's how my dad's side started over here. Wow. And they've been, it's kind of been that lineage all along through the Civil War and everything.

It's just, warriors. Yeah. Yeah, and they all survived. I wouldn't be sitting here if any of them got killed through any of that. Do you have kids? Yeah. How many? Five.

Five. It's interesting. When you think about the fact that you wouldn't be here, if Thadon's, these other warrior, this is called warrior kings, didn't survive, right? Yeah. And now you're the most recent in time and you survived a battle that who knows if your ancestors ever even could have fathomed. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. The lineage must carry on. Yeah. Well, there's a reason why the lineage has to carry on. Whatever that reason is, we don't know, but only God knows, you know. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's a reason why he saved everybody through this lineage to none of them.

Unbelievable what my dad went through. He was in World War II in the infantry through the whole thing. He got wounded a bunch of times. He was in Italy. He was, you know, in Africa. All these theaters, he was like in the thick of it, you know. And he has three purple hearts and, you know, he has a bronze battle star, a couple of those and a silver star. And, you know, he's pretty highly decorated too.

But he got, you know, he pretty much got kind of tore up a little bit. You know, he, you know, shrapnel and, you know, smysner machine gun in the legs and things like that. But he lived through it. And I'm here. You know, but he was old when I was born. You know, that's why he'd be, he'd be 103 if he was alive, you know. And so, you know, I'm 62. So he was an older dude when I, and I'm, you know, his oldest.

So, yeah. You're his oldest? I'm his oldest. Yeah, I got a sister younger than me. Wow. He really... Yeah, he got out of the military. He did a career.

You know, eventually, you know, his wounds, you know, they put him out on a discharge a little early because he's just... It was just too much, you know, to do the job. You know, he's getting older and then all the old wounds and stuff. And they said they just military gave him a medical, you know, or a little early. but um but yeah he and he was still i mean he was still physically able to do things and he was he still did a lot of things he wasn't like a hundred percent but you know he had a lot of aches and pains he still had a lot of metal inside of him you know it was always coming out and he'd pick it

out. I mean, when I was a kid, he'd be picking metal out of them, and he'd show me, hey, look, I got a piece of metal out of his leg and stuff. Just kind of pushed to the surface. Yeah. Over the years, I mean, you know, yeah, that's how they can't get it all out, especially the smaller, smaller pieces that get. Just run magnets over them for a while so they start coming to the surface. Right. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yep. So it's, it's amazing that he lived through all that and then as an old man that you know i'm i'm here and my sister's here and um so and then my kids you know they got their reasons for being here and you know a god has plans we don't know

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