The Confessionals - 821: The Bigfoot Highway of East Tennessee

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

Strange activity is intensifying across East Tennessee, and longtime locals are starting to connect the dots. In this conversation, Tony sits down with Stephen Watson of Arcane Discoveries to explore why the Cherokee National Forest and surrounding mountains may function as a seasonal corridor for cryptids and paranormal phenomena. Stephen shares firsthand accounts of Bigfoot encounters, closed campgrounds plagued by rock-throwing and vocalizations, mysterious orbs, and unexplained handprints left on homes. He also recounts sightings tied to Dogman territory, a massive blonde Bigfoot moving at impossible speed, a black panther encounter, and a rare face-to-face meeting with what he believes was a red wolf. As the conversation unfolds, physical encounters give way to deeper questions about portals, vibration, and supernatural intelligence, suggesting these phenomena may be far more connected than anyone wants to admit.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Watson: InstagramMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Static In The Pines

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All right. So before we get into this week's show, I just want to tell you about Stephen Watson, who is our guest. Stephen Watson is a local from the area of Merville. He is a Bigfoot-crypted investigator, and basically is a storehouse of stories. Everybody, who's any, buddy in this area sends Stephen the stories of what they've encountered on the road and around their property and Stephen is a treasure trove of stories. So today he comes on to share a bunch of stories from the local area as well as some of his own personal experiences. And this was a great episode. Stephen is an incredible person and is truly one of my favorite people to have in studio. I thoroughly enjoy listening to Stephen tell the stories that he's been given over the years

and the things that he's encountered as well. So without, further ado, let's get to Stephen right now. Anyways, so we, this is our second time trying to record this. You know, it's funny because you said how when you were coming over here, something strange happened. And, you know, when you talk about this kind of stuff, it's weird because when I first started doing the show years ago, people would ask me, you know, the weird things happen while you're recording.

And for the most part, most part. it was not often. It was just like, no, not really. You know, sometimes, you know, but not really. It seems like more and more recently technology gets messed with. Right. And I wonder, I don't know if it's

that we're, if things are happening more or if it's what we're hitting on more. I think it's probably the latter. Like, we, the show these days hits a lot of the supernatural. And I think we're pulling back. the curtain on things that typically typically been kind of hiding in dark.

Oh yeah. Yeah, definitely. Everything's just coming a lot and it don't like it. Yeah. That's what I feel. That's what it feels like. And, you know, there's some things happening here locally in Tennessee that I think things are about to start taking up a lot. Oh, yeah. And you being a local person and about to talk about local things, that might be a case, to be honest with you. So this is round two. Hopefully it doesn't. jack up. If it does, we have a backup plan. But today we got Stephen Watson here in studio from Arcane Discoveries. How you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. So let's lay the groundwork because last time you were here was about a year and a half ago. And a lot's happened

since then. And like I said before, I remember distinctly the feeling I had when you walked out because, you know, there's a lot of local people in this area that have experiences, want to talk about the experiences. And it's not every day. You get to find somebody that has experiences, collect stories and experiences, is willing to talk about them, but can actually relay the story in a way that is good for people to understand what's being talked about. You know, like sometimes people just, they say it's a roadside site,

they'll be like it was big foot on the side of the road stood up walked out i saw it and it's like well we'll have the next route it just walked away it's like no there's got be more to the story than that man right yeah yeah for a young guy i've always been the guy that would sit with the old timers at the table and at hardies and teleco and just sitting list of the stories so i'm i'm a sucker for a story i just love to sit and take them in and i'll document them and put them together and maybe i can reference something on down the road yeah so i just love you know taking in all these stories and everything. Yeah. So, I mean, arcane discoveries, like the foundation for people who maybe haven't heard you before, who are you and where are you from and what do you do?

So arcane discoveries, just a small little group we talked about maybe about three years ago. Within the last two years, it's really went up. We've not documented a lot of stuff like on camera anything. We've took a lot of notes. We've been studying. We've been working in the background, just kind of laying the lines of what's happening here, there, and everywhere and trying to connect the dots. And our first investigations probably going to be coming up soon. But for the most part, we just, we like, we work out of here in East Tennessee and we document cases. I know I'm trying to repeat myself. I'm just trying to think of the best way to go with this. But, uh, but we're right now, it's just me and one other guy, two local guys from here in

in East Tennessee. I grew up down there in Monroe County for the most part and Mick Min County kind of bounce between the both, you know, grew up in the mountains of South Cherokee National Forest, where a lot of my cases I've been focusing on and taken in. And then my buddy on the Edwall side of it, he's been listening and taking notes and kind of listening nationwide. He was a guy that was on the railroad. He's passed through Daniel Boone so many times it's unreal. And he's had experiences up there while at camp. And, you know, we were like-minded folk, guys. You know, we lead with the Bible first and go put God first and approach it with that aspect and see what is really going on, you know? Yeah.

And we like to take in the weird notes, the scary, the funny, whatever it is. You know, I've heard some funny stories. I've heard some very bad stories. You know, that's essentially what Arcane is. We want to discover the truth. We want to know what this is. So are you guys, do you guys consider, because we were talking about before, like, you know, for instance, like I don't consider myself a researcher. When I go out, I'm more of like a...

Oh, we're far from researchers. I'm like a thrill seeker. Right. We're far from researchers right now because, like I said, we haven't done a whole lot of together in-field investigations, as you would say. I've been in situations within the last two years that just, you know, happens. Like you said, you put yourself in like you said, you put yourself in the environment and it just happens.

And that's the way things have been going here lately. Okay. And then, like I said, we've been told, we've got a guy I'm messing. and messaging us out of Massaville that's experiencing orbs, noises, and other such things like that. And he's really concerned about it. He wants to know what's going on. And he's asked us pretty much for help or any ideas.

And we've got to get some time to get out there and go see because he's got some very odd moving orbs coming out of the trees and everything else. On video? On video. Yeah, I've got them on my phone. Wow. On his camera. Some of the things may be kind of buggy,

but there is some weird, translucent figures showing up on his camera. Are you allowed to share those? Yeah. Would you be able to share them with Jack so that he can put them in for post-production? I can do that. That'll be awesome. Yeah, we can do that. So that's interesting.

So he has this activity on his property. How did he find you guys? Just through TikTok, I think, or Instagram, one of the two, yeah. Plus, his wife. So it was a cold reach out. He didn't know you. Well, he kind of actually knew who I was because we, after we're digging together and get the talking to her, his wife was married to my uncle at one point time.

Really? Yeah. That sounds like small town south stuff. I was like small town stuff down there. That's it. Oh, yeah, I know his sister. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. I know you mom, man.

Yeah, that's wild. And then he just got comfortable with me and started spilling a bunch of things with me. Really great guy. He's concerned about what's going on. I don't think he, yeah, he's, I've talked to me. He said, we're good to talk about it. He was a Iraqi combat vet, and he's on high alert right now. He's concerned of what's going on.

He's even texts me, I think it was Saturday or Sunday, he texts me and said, we were out Friday, I think it was maybe on Friday night, this past Friday night, and he said was within 60 feet of three, possible three Bigfoot. Really? That's what he said. And this lines up with the Janice Carter area. And this is on his property? On his, I think it's his mother and father-in-law's property.

But it's the same property as the orbs. Correct. Wow. So, I mean, that goes right in with the idea of orbs on a property with Bigfoot. Oh, yeah. Is there any, like, so is he like an Iraqi war veteran? Combat vet. So he's in combat.

So the idea of these creatures being on his property, is this something that is affecting him on, on, like, a PTSD level that you know? He's told me he's got him on high alert and wanting to go. combat mode. It's got him really concerned. He said he still has in touch with intel. That's all he said. So I don't know what that means. But he said if it gets any worse,

that's what he's going to do. Wow. Get in touch with his intel. This is Madisonville. Massonville. Man, man, man. That's right down the road. Yeah.

That's right down the road. And all this area just lines up with Jan's card. I'm telling you, I'm thinking I've built a highway up where they're traveling through from point A to point B. They're seasonal times. So, like, you could kind of point on a map and show. what you're thinking. Yeah.

When we're done here, I wouldn't mind you kind of show me what you're thinking on the map. Not that I want to go and take your area. I just want to know

because, well, for my own personal reasons that I'll share with you later. Yeah. But that's interesting. So you mentioned about it lining up

with the Janice Carter stuff. How does it line up with Janice Carter? So the Janice Carter, if everybody remembers, they don't. Well, Janice Carter,

well, there's a whole, yeah, there's a whole new audience. Yeah, that's true. Like, people tuning in,

stuff to this show now on YouTube. I mean, we've over the last year, growing over 100,000 subscribers. So, like, you got to have to break down Janice Carter for them. So I see who Janice Carter is, is a woman from our local area.

She, her family had a family farm on the McMann and Merle County line. Documents pointed to be essentially in Englewood, Tennessee, what would be considered Englewood by documents. It bordered the county line. But the farm physical sit in,

Englewood on the Midman County side. So back in the, I wish I brought my notes on that, but back in the early 1900s, I'm to say the 70s or 60s, her grandfather was actually out cutting timber on the property, her and him and his dad. And when they was falling trees, they fell a tree and he heard this God awful scream and yell. Well, they went to go look and they thought they fell a tree on top of this kid that was just maybe has some type of physical traits that were wrong or autistic tricks to it because it's

something just didn't seem right with it. So they got it up and pulled it out and this thing was covered in hair. And it was, they essentially nursed it back to health. And then the mother and the father, Bigfoot, gosh darned, I wish I brought my notes. You're all right. You're giving those notes. There's actually, she knows the names of these Bigfoot. Yeah, I mean, there's just the audience knows. I mean, she's a real person. I actually have her number. You gave it to me. I text with her. She has text me back. She says she's willing to come in the studio, but whenever it gets to around the scheduling it, it never really develops past that. And so if she's listening by any chance, I still, that invitation is on the table. I would love to have her in. But essentially, her family

starts communicating with these things, these things communicate with them. And there was an actual relationship built, right? Correct. They've actually, she got to know their language. Yeah. So possibly, she says they've shown her where possible gravesites are. And she's the youngest girl, right? I believe she's the youngest out of all of them yet. And the great sites are the Bigfoot. Bigfoot, yeah. Yeah, she says she's been shown where they're at. They've actually, the oldest elder that was there while she's still on the property, when it passed away,

they actually brought that elder up to her and let her see the Bigfoot before they took her off and buried him. And then eventually was able to be in the area of the grave sites and they've been shown. Wow. How old is she now? Oh, I don't know. I'm not going to try to speculate a woman's age. She's no other woman's, right? Yeah, she's older, right?

Yeah, she's older. She's not like 30. No, no, no, no. Oh, what you said that, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm 30, so I can say that was like that. So, but yeah, got me there. Yeah.

She, I don't know. Like I said, she's an older lady. She's an older sweet lady. She'll tell you anything and everything. She's a real book of knowledge, a real book of knowledge when it comes to stuff. I even, there was a book. Mary Green, I think, wrote on her. It's called Living with Sassette.

squash for 50 years and entitles her whole life there on the family farm, even has photos of aerial photo, a black and white aerial photo of the farm, text in there from the language, Scat, I think is even in that photo in that book. So it's a really interesting book. It looks like the book is, yeah, you're right, Mary A. Green. For a second, I thought you were referencing Mary Joyce from out of North Carolina. Yeah. But yeah, 50 years with Bigfoot, Tennessee Chronicles of Coexistence. That's it. That goes against everything in my nature.

But speaking of, how do you kill a Bigfoot? Because you and I almost touched on this. And I said, save it from when we start recording. But the way you were talking about that property that you down in Morganton, was it? Monroe. Monroe. Yeah. The guy, the vet, it sounds like, is he out for blood?

No. He's just concerned what's going on. He wants to know what's going on. He's even said he's seeing lights come from the sky, down projecting into the trees. Oh, boy, dude. Like, that sounds like, I kind of want to go. I know.

I do too. Talking about it right now, would you, would you officially invite me on live? Of course. You can't take, no takebacks? No, of course.

I need someone a little bit more knowledge than I do. Bro, that's not my forte. I got guns. You know? I got guns and an adventurous spirit. Yeah, that's all we need right there. The good Lord's faith with us and all that. Yes, sir.

Well, I mean, listen, there's something mysterious about this area and ancient about this area. And there are things that are supernatural about this area that have gotten pushed under the carpet. Oh, yeah. As time is going on and people move in from out of this area, like it has in the last 10 years. This area is at risk of losing its esoteric history. Yeah. Yeah. And is that so terrible the right word? Is that the right word? Yeah. Yeah. It's close enough. Yeah. But it's like, it's like the supernatural history of this area is at risk of being lost because of the watering down of outsiders, right? Oh, yeah. And I think that's why it's so important for somebody like you who is, listen, I don't know how you feel, but 30, you're young, you're a young man. You're young. You're young. I'm young. Yeah. For you to have the willingness to talk and speak about this stuff now and also what you're doing with the documenting. the area, that's going to go a long way. I mean, think about what you can accomplish in the next 30 years by the time you're 60. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you can be a natural historical

preserver of, like, listen, there's a lot of people in this area that will be happy to write a book about the Cherokee or why Norris Dam is called Norris Dam. Right. You know, but like, there's, there needs to be people in the area that, that are locals that can document the history of this area that is the untold history. Right. Yeah. And I think that's what you're doing. So anyways, how, because you and your buddy talk about how would you kill a big foot or how could you kill a big foot or something like that at work. Yeah. What are some of the conclusions you guys come to? So are you a kill guy? Yo, if I need to. If you need to? If I'm in that, put in that situation, I'll take the shot. At a big foot. At a big foot, yeah. Okay. Or any,

I mean, I think dog man is an obvious. Oh, yeah. Like who, who wants to cuddle a dog man? That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Put a little collar on it with little spikes and putting back my truck, row through town. I think we'd all recognize who's driving the truck. We're like, oh, that's steep. That's it. So what are you some of your conclusions? So if you look at these things from an amylistic standpoint, like they're not jumping through portals and stuff like that, I mean, which they do.

Yeah, of course. But let's just think they're, you're home here. Yeah, exactly. Let's just say they're flesh and blood at the time you see one and you're able to take the shot. So there's a story with, I think it's Daniel Boone or who. was it Daniel Boone or Davey Crock and one of the two, I can't remember it for sure. One of the two have documented in a book or a file somewhere that he shot this thing. What essentially happened, this thing come grab his son, one of the guy's sons and was slinging around like a rag doll.

And he took a shot and fired a shot with his musk and caught it right in the eye and it killed it. Because that was one of the softest place, you know, a good clean shot could happen, right? So essentially the way this is read when I was reading it, that when he opened this thing up, the bone structure of the chest is so dense that a bullet would, a death of a musket bullet would not penetrate the chest. And you got to think about the Cherokee stories

and what other animals do out in the wild, they'll get down in mud and roll around. It hardens their fur and everything. So it's going to make hard for a bullet to penetrate. It's kind of like, think of a wild haul, wild boar or something there. Them suckers got some tough hides on. I mean, real tough hide.

They're real dense bone and everything. you have to have a perfect shot placement to take one of those down. I mean, you can kill them with arrow. You've got to have good pounds on your arrow to do it. But they get down. They roll around the mud. And it's not just to help cool them down. It's to help protect your skin and everything else.

Keep their fur or hair hardening everything. So you've got to be really precise. I've been we dug in some other, what was it, West, West of Sasquatch Chronicles. We don't talk about him here. Okay. Sorry. I just referenced in this one story. I'm fine.

But there's a story about the guy that was on the military base, and he shot this thing, left side, broadside, and brought it down, then put one in, think, in the head, in the side of the head near the ear. So to me, that would make sense, because if you think about it with any type of wild animal, you're hunting, you want a broadside shot to take out lungs and heart, or all three at the same time.

If you're real good and put your shot placement, you'll take all in the vital organs. So I think taking these things on straight on, whether it's a gut shot or a chest shot or even a neck or a leg, I don't think you're going to do a whole lot. You're going to make it mad more than anything. But I think if you have the advantage to do a broadside shot and take it and place it, I would say, from top of armpit to top of the first rib, in that soft tissue area to the front breast of whichever side, I think that's going to be a softest spot to bring it down to hurt it. Now, there is stories of people that have shot these things, point blank reins in the stomach of the chest. But I think if you're out to actually bring one down, that would be your shot to start with.

It weakens it. It brings it down or it could take it out. If it doesn't fully take it out, you go up this thing and as vulgar as sounds, you finish it off to the head and just be done with it. And it hauled off the best way you can. We actually have had this conversation full proof plan. if we do harvest one, how are we going to get it out safely and quickly? Well, I'd have- What do you mean by that?

Do you mean because of the authorities coming for you? Not only that, but when there's one big foot, there's more. That's just a rule of thumb. Yeah. So we have a friend that, well, he still considered a friend. I hate that I've lost contact with him, but I'm sure if I called him, he made to answer. He was in some black flag stuff.

And we had this conversation one time. And he said, you know, the airplanes that pick up the parachutes. He's got a favor owed by a guy that pilots one of those nearby. Oh, mm-hmm. So, yeah, it would be. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen, but that's just a crazy thought was parachute this thing out and get out in Exville quick, you know, or chop it out because you're going to have to be quick. You're going to have to either snap photos, take something and get out. Yeah.

But I think shot placement, your best brawl side in the armpit. honestly. So that was my thought. Years ago, when I first, you know, yeah, I think I was, I had just started the podcast. Wes had brought me on his show, Sasquatch Chronicles. I mentioned it too. Yeah.

But he brought me on his show. I think it was like episode four, like 430 to 468 pops in my head. Is that the one with Tom Seawood? Yeah. Yeah. That was one of my inspiring episode. Was it?

I think it was the first time I was ever on his show is me, Seawood, Woody, I think it was on there. I think that's it. And Wes, I think. But the whole idea was, you know, killing Saskwatch. Not how to do it,

but like, what do you do after? And, you know, I had a lot of road time back then and you spend time thinking about that stuff because, you know, I feel like I've been mentioning it recently on the show, but maybe I'm feeling like a little self-conscious about it or something. but you have to understand, like, when I was driving a truck before, I was a podcaster,

I would go walking the mountains on the weekend looking for this thing because I thought people were stupid and they couldn't find it. You know, I was like, it's not that hard, right? So, like, I spent a lot of time thinking about, what if I come across this thing? And I had the opportunity to take it down. How do you, what do you do, right? Because you hear all the conspiracy theories of, like, you know, you get a knock on your door. They know that you killed it.

All that stuff runs to your head. And I started thinking. I think I said on that show, you got to chop it up. You got to have already places and people that have given the green light for you to send them a specimen. Correct. And that could be anywhere from a scientist to some random friend of yours that lives out in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and they're just going to hold it in, because they happen to have a safe room or something, you know? Yeah. And just, but you have to like, you chop it up, you disperse it and, and ship it to like local TV to national TV and like all over, right?

But I don't even know if that's full proof. It probably isn't. There don't have to be a lot put into it. I mean, first of all, my biggest thing would be man showing up, being some type of official in a black SUV or white SPU something. Yeah. That would be. That would be. That kind of guy.

Exactly. Yeah. That would be my biggest concern because I think the other ones, the other Bigfoot around, we could. defend ourselves a little bit, but probably not for long. But I'd rather take my chances with the Bigfoot than the man, honestly. Yeah, yeah, I hear you because, yeah, I agree. You know, we had not too long ago, a couple weeks ago I told you, we had Joe in here, Joe Barger, and he is the trucker that shot at Dogman.

In fact, Jack, toss me that bullet that's on the desk there. this is the round this is the round that's the round that that one's caught me in the head yeah this is the round that they

that he took down a I'm going to break my computer a dog man with and his story is this is a 45 cult but his story is that he

was driving his tractor trailer and you know it's going to be on the show so I want to rehash the whole thing but the thing came up alongside the truck while he was, I think he was pulling like 40,000 pounds uphill from a stop. So like it was moving slow.

Oh, yeah. And this thing came up next to his truck and had a duck down to look in. And he said it was only a matter of seconds, but like there's a lot that happens in those seconds. Right. And he had his 45 colt on the side of his seat and he pulled it up, reached out across the cab. So he's probably about two feet. away from the end of the barrel is probably about two feet away from the head of the dog man. And he pulled it back, pop, pop.

And he shot it in the head. But he said it, he believes it went through the eye. So it's interesting that you said about the soft tissue because that's what he said. He doesn't believe he would have killed it if it didn't go through the eye. Yeah, you got to think about soft tissue. Like this bullet right here, it like, you know, we was talking, this bullet right here, when it touches the soft tissue and everything, it will destroy what it touches. I mean, that's just all there is to it. The ballistics tips that I carry

my 308 and the 762s, they will do some damage. I mean, you just got to make sure you have your shot placements, right? If not, you're going, it's going to bite you. I mean, it's all this to it. It'll get you. I mean, I look at it as a hunter's

perspective because I, like I said, grew up hunting and fishing and everything else. It's all about not wanting to chase the deer. You know, you want to make sure you have the right placement, shot placement, and make sure you don't have to go run it through the kingdom come and everything else, you know. So shot placement in the soft tissue is going to be your best aspect with whatever it may be. Dog man, Bigfoot, heck, even an alien maybe.

Who knows? You know, headshots, you're going to be best probably. I'm looking like looking at the one behind your head. I'm thinking, you know, eye range mid of the forehead, maybe where the flat spots are. Because if you think about with hogs, they have a very tough skull. I mean, I have a very tough skull. I've seen one get shot through the snout, and that thing just keep on trucking and live.

There's a special flat spot in the brace of their front that you had to take them out, yeah. Yeah. Then when you do have headshot. I've done it on two of mine. Yeah. Because if you shoot them through the neck or anything, they'll still go. Yeah.

From what I understand, it's all about the placement. Yeah. That's wild, right? Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah. I mean, it's tough. I mean, they're tough, I mean, you have to take all those aspects in account

when you want to go out to one of these, cryptids. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like these things being, the idea of them being interdimensional, you know, like you mentioned about the portals before and stuff, I think for a long time I had a hard time

rationalizing the physical aspect versus something coming out of a portal. But I guess when you realize that a portal is just a door, whatever's coming through that door, it can still bleed or die. You know, theoretically. Right. And, you know, I've seen, I've seen different videos of things that are, you know, metaphysical.

If these things are, see, that's the thing. Like, I don't know if these things are metaphysical in the sense that, like, they have a different physical nature when they're not here and they're more our physical here. Or if they exist like this through the door on another side. Right. I mean, I'm sure you've thought of it. Like, what do you think? I think they, when they're here,

think all of them is not essentially a jumper. Let's just say that a jumper that jumps through portals and such. I think there are some that's here that's very physical, very amylistic until they get to a certain point. The only reason I say that, because I think about Janice Carter story and how she talks about they say they've told her, and this is what, like I said, she said they were danced into creation by the imagination of the creator. I think I...

They were danced into creation by the imagination. of the creator. Right. So to me, that tells me they're not fully of this world. You know what I mean? But I think when they are here, and the ones that are stuck here,

they're here and they're very physical. Now, you think about, I'm going to say like an elder one or an older one that has gotten to maturity age and has learned the secrets of the Bigfoot world and it's time for them to start jumping around to the star people as they've mentioned to her before. And I think,

that's what I think. I think there's some that's, stuck here, then there's some that has the chance to jump around and be jump through portals and whatnot. That's what I think. Yeah, I mean, I think along the similar lines, I just don't, the why, the how I don't know. I think it has to do with, I referenced Ron Moorhead.

And he is, uh, Quantum Bigfoot and his other documentaries where the vibration, all of us in this room were giving off a vibration and giving off some type of energy. Yeah. If we was to vibrate long enough, like if this. bullet was to sit here and vibrate so fast, you would not be able to see it. Yeah. And I think that's what they're capable of doing. Where they're just, we just ain't figured it out

yet. We don't know. At least us, maybe some O'Krie's scientists or somebody may have. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure they figured it out. Yeah. Isn't the Flash, the comic book here, the Flash, the one that is based on vibration? Yeah, he vibrates so fast that you can't even see him.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, and I know, you know, it's like, man, really, like, these are, like, comic books essentially now. Like, the more you look at it, the more weird it gets, I mean, God rest of his soul, Scott Carpenter, and the things that he had documented while he was with us, you know? And, you know, there's, there's videos and pictures that he's come out, and then other people, too, but let's just stay on him, that you see, they show you,

and you're just like, I don't see what they're seeing. right you know um and that could be for very various reasons one you just don't know what you're looking for or looking at to to the person the other stream would be the person is so heavily invested in it that they're they're seeing things maybe that maybe aren't there or per d'oralia kicks in right um and with scott i know there were some pictures that i felt like i didn't see what he was seeing on everything but i know scott had experiences and he was documenting things that I was seeing. Right.

That's the thing. So, like, when I saw the video of him walking and he walked by, he had the rear-facing camera, and you had that big white, bigfoot head popping up out of the bushes. You didn't need a red circle for that. No, there's no red circle needed for that. When he, again, the rear-facing camera, and he's hiking, and that bubble starts opening up on the trail and the entity starts appearing in the middle of it. of it. You don't need a red circle for that, you know. And now I'm trying to think of it.

Like, I can't remember all his stuff. I remember the dog man one. But you know what I'm saying. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's sometimes it's to the eye of the beholder. Right. But it's what your mind's able to see. Open like they say your third eye, whatever. Our minds are so domesticated nowadays. We don't, we don't fully understand what our minds could do. I mean, And look it back at Jesus times and how what they were able to do and manifest and talk to and do. We're just so domesticated on what we physically can do with our minds. And I think that hinders us a lot. Like with us, you know, we're out investigating.

There may be a big foot standing right there. But we can't seem because he's vibrating so fast or whatever. Yeah, right. And like, so it's kind of like when you're reading the Bible, and you read it for like a thousand times, which I haven't read it a thousand times. Right. Like, you've read something over and over again,

and it's like, I've read this my entire life, but I'm getting something new out of it now. It's because it's a supernatural book, right? Correct. And you're able to see something that you didn't see before. Right. And what we're talking about here is supernatural entities and beings and creatures.

And so there might be an aspect of that where the individual who's experiencing and can see things that other people can't see because they've been down the road before. But the whole reason why I brought Scott up is because of that bubble video, whatever that is. I don't think anybody can really say what it is. I don't think so. You know, if big footers will probably say it's big foot, dog man, people will say a dogman,

ghost hunters will say ghost. Yeah. But I don't know how you get around this bubble manifesting on camera and then an entity seemingly manifesting in the middle of the bubble. Right. And anybody who hasn't seen it, I don't think it's. I don't think it's available online anymore because I know somebody purchased the rights of that after. I don't think I've seen that a while because I try to show them about.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to say purchase. I don't know how it all worked, but I think somebody owns it now. But I do know that L.A. Marzuli has a version of it because he interviewed Scott about it when Scott documented it. So L.A. owns the IP on that. So I would say if anybody wants to find it, it's probably best to go to L.A. Marzuli, probably on YouTube and start searching around there.

Okay. And you'd probably find it. He probably has the actual interview up with Scott. But, you know, when you're talking about that thing coming through whatever that was, a portal or whatever, it makes you wonder what the end result was there, because we don't get to see that. Right. You know, did the thing actually manifest? Did he have a big foot following him then or something like that?

I don't know. It's so weird because he was put himself in that environment. Something happened. And we cannot fathom what's going on because it's opening up. The last time I remember saying it's been a while since I've seen it, but you're right. I can't even tell you what is. I'm not going to tell you what it is because all I know,

it's a weird oddity out in nature that he documented. And that's R-S-2 it. Yeah. It's just very weird. Yeah. I could imagine if the Bigfoot just jumped through it, clapped me, and I'm here, here I am. Hey. Hey.

Yeah. But we won't get that lucky. It's like one of those AI Bigfoot's that they've seen online. Oh, yeah. Running through the forest with the fish that they just caught. I've got one of those on my TikTok. Yeah. He catches the fish.

He said, that's a good. And then he goes out and he's in his overalls. Let's fry fish and cornbread. It's pretty funny. What's your TikTok? Is it Arcane Discovery? Yeah. Arcane Discovery is 4-2-3.

All right, 4, 2, 3. Is that the area code? Yeah, 4, 2, 3. Mm-hmm. Yeah. See that? Look there. Yeah, there we are.

Yeah. So you were talking to me earlier about your grandparents' property. Mm-hmm. Is there current activity on that? There was, I would say, about, um, I'm going to say three months ago. Really? Yeah, three months ago, um, there was something that came by the house or they were just sitting there watching TV. It's dark outside.

and, you know, my pap was a no-sense type of guy, you know, but here recently he's got, he's kind of opened his mind to. I gave him crap because last weekend he was wearing a, you found me Bigfoot shirt. I'm like, huh? Look you there. Look he's starting to come around now. But anyways, but they were all sitting there in the house in my mom-all. They were sitting in there and just watching TV as an ormadoo and there's her crack come from the back corner of the house. You know, they kind of just looked at each other, just kind of shrugged it off.

Well, a few minutes later, crack. Another one. So this time, Papo goes, gets up and starts to walk around the house, say if there's anything going on. He thought it was a tree cracking or breaking or whatever. Well, he did find a tree that fell, but he said he didn't hear it fall. But he's at the back corner, and he's noticing it's got vinyl plastic siding on the side of this house. And he notices when he looks at it, there's this dent, not an indentation of a handprint,

but there is this indention on the corner of the house. that is pushed in. He said, I don't know, it looked like something was just hitting or hitting it. And it's awful funny. This happens because they used to be, they'd throw out scraps.

They had a couple of dogs that used to run around and they just throw out scraps or at the back corner of the house. Well, they stopped. They just didn't have enough extra to throw up for scrap. And that's when the smacking started having, it happened two nights in a row.

Where were the dogs? The dog on the porch. Actually, that night, Jack, his young's dog, Jack, it was curled up on the porch. So the other dogs, there's nothing really ever happened to them, nothing weird with them. He just had, he just has the one. Yeah, I think he just has the one.

Yeah, I know he's got Jack. I don't think he had the other one then. I think it had done run off or maybe didn't run off, who knows. But I do know after he started putting the scraps back out, it stopped. So, I mean, they never did smack the house for nothing else again. And we're talking about a property over the years, last two, three years, there's been some weird house and stuff they've heard out there. we're really weird owl noises like mimicking if you ask me. But yeah, the most recent was it smacks on the side of the house.

That's interesting because I had I had the happen in my house. I've talked about it on the show before. I was just sitting in the living room with my son. And it sounded like sometimes going, boom. Right. And everybody heard it in the house. My wife was in my daughter's from she heard it. It gave me the perfect opportunity to walk around my house with my AR.

Yeah. And the crazy thing is my neighbor came out in the back. things like, hey neighbor. And I said, hey, I just heard a loud bang on my house and I'm just checking things out. And he said that it was so loud that his wife and kids heard it too in their house. And so, but it sounded like it felt like it hit my house. And that's the other thing

Papua mentioned. They felt not necessarily like a big shape, but they felt like a little jolt. Like they felt the vibration coming through the floor where they were sitting. Because where my Papa would sit, the back corner of the house is probably in the next room to that corner of that house is probably 20 foot. So he definitely heard it and felt a little bit of the vibration come through her. So whatever it was, like I said, did two nights in a row. So, and this all, like I said, this all lines up with where the stuff in Massville's happened.

Janice Carter is or was and all, I think it's just one big old highway. I also do at this point. Do you feel like, when you say one big old highway, do you feel like it's migration? or do you think it's not year-round one location, you think? I think it's seasonal. Because if they're an animal as such or whatever. Let's pause for a second. What do you think it is?

Do you think it's an animal? Because you say animal, but then you're talking about portals. I know. I think, in my own opinion, they're a supernatural being. That's what I claim Bigfoot to be or any type of cryptic, even dogmen at times. Because they have the supernatural aspect to them. There's orbs, there's noises. There's all sorts of weird phenomena.

on it happens with these encounters with people or with them in general. But then there's the naturalist, the plain natural side of them, they're an animal. So I keep saying animal because I feel like sometimes when they're here and they're doing these touching and smacking things, it's animalistic. It's amelistic, right? And I say they're an animal at times. Yeah. But I just keep thinking, I say an animal, but I honestly really should say at this point with

a seasonal moving native, more native. Really? Oh, yeah. Because if you think about it, such a creature of this size, it's going to have a need of a very good sustainable source of resources, whether it's stealing chickens from John Brown or whatever, you know, they're smart enough that they'll move with the seasons. Like, for instance, if they're into ramps, I'm going to use ramps for instance. Ramps is an old wild Indian onion that grows up in high elevations. Usually get it during the cold season months and they start sprouting. Say they're

into that. They can only get that through the real after the frost comes up on the mountain. So they had to go up there and collect their ramps. Or if they're in the ginsane for maybe medicinal purposes or whatever, I think they're that smart. They'll dig up the roots. And you have to get the prime time for ginsains from late July to the first frost. So they're up or in that area. And then if you get down here in the lower country,

there's a lot more foliage and stuff. You'll be hidden a lot better. So why not come down here in these low countries and snagging an easy meal like a chicken or something? That's another thing. I just remember my pipe all. I had some chickens at one point in time. And something looked like he said, I don't know where the chicken went,

but it looked like whatever did it, yanked it through the chicken pen. Jeez. Yeah. He had a old chain link dogwood kennel, and he had them in. So he had like two or three big old red out, rode out and reds.

He said, whatever it was like it just reached in, grabbed it and yanked it straight out. Skinned them while was coming out. Oh, yeah. There's feathers and everything. You're laying everywhere. Wow.

So, but like I was saying, I would think with a lot more foliage and cover, why not be down here in the lower country snagging in an easy meal or during corn season. You know, corn's at prime right now. Go down there and pick you some corn and take it off back up to where you're hiding.

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the makers of the coolest beds in the world. Some exclusions apply. See Cipher details. Yeah, and you know, down where you're at, it is a natural pathway to more of the rural residential areas to up to the mountains. Like if you, like if it's going to say it's coming down Montville Road here in Marraville, like it ain't going to come down Montville into the middle of town. It's going to, you know, kind of loop around over to those areas. There's a lot of waterways and streams. this thing could fall up to the top to various secluded areas, even places I haven't been. So it's a no-brainer. I mean, because let's see, I have a thought, like, you know, the river, Tennessee River that runs,

but on this side, you know, we got, I shucks, I lost from Trayth out, Loudoun in in Blunk County, right? And then on the other side, he got McMinn and Monroe and McMean, right? So I think there's a divider there for two reasons. If you think about it and think about Scott Carpenter's area of research, he was on on this side. What did he run into a lot on this side? Dog man. But where does, and then if you think about Bigfoot and all the other encounters I've documented is on the other side, very few dogman stuff. There is some, but very few. All this waterways leads one way. And that's right up that mountain, right up in our all way into the Smokies. Once you get up our, all you got to do

stay across the top and you're in Smokies in the very back country. You know, one thing I wish I would got out of him before he had passed. He was in here, and I think he said it on the show, that the dogmen hide, live or whatever, in old rundown buildings in town here. And, you know, I was new, so I was like, I'll, I'll find out from him later where these buildings are, because I'm, you know, I'm going to be trespassing. Yeah. And then he passed away. And I don't think Travis' son knows what, where exactly his dad was talking about. But, um, You know, Janice Carter, she's told me several times that dogman lived in Rafter up in South Cherokee National Force. That's like their stomping grounds.

That's where they reside. How far is that from here? From here, straight up there to the mountain, I'd say an hour and a half, if that. That's pretty deepening the mountains. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's actually below, you know, you're familiar with Indian Boundary Campground up there? Okay, well, it's just right below Indian Boundary. It's the area between Indian Boundary Campground and Miller Ridge,

up on top, near the top, not all the way at the top. But it's a very secluded, deep, lush area back in there. I mean, and also used to, and it ain't there now. It used to be a big old deer farm back here. So prime, I mean, prime takens. Whoever owned that thing, I bet they had stories. Oh, I'm sure they would. I bet they had stories.

Oh, I'm sure they would. I haven't heard anything. I don't remember what happened, old man, I owned it. He kind of had a little thing that was going. He was going to start a little tour business. to go up and take people and look. So where dogman lives? I guess.

I don't know. I've been cool stuff. I've been there every day. But something, this is like a flash. He just stopped posting stuff and he stopped hearing about it. It was done. And now if you go out there,

there's highland cows and stuff back in there and just regular cattle. There ain't no more deer. I'm glad. I'm kind of thinking he turned a deer loose because I've got some big ones on camera. So thanks to him, he left. So, but yeah,

that's, that's a dogman territory in Dally. And I can see it because it's very deep. It's dark off in there and everything. I don't really like being in there, to be honest. I mean, I've never, the only weird thing that's ever happened to me off in Rafter,

back when me and my wife got together, we were dating, and we headed off just down Rafter Road from the highway side, just headed off down through our, and we're just trot along being, you know, like I said, we're dating,

so we're talking back and forth, this mind-wom business. I said, no Dodge truck. I had and all of a sense, it's not like something come across the top of the roof, a smack crash off down the side. I thought a snake or something fell from a tree on top of the thing. There ain't no trees that span over the road this time.

I don't know. I still don't know what that was. So you're suggesting that something through. I think something jumped over the truck down the holler. Yeah, right. I really do because the crash I heard off the other side. Me and my wife's talked about this several times over the years. Something big.

It wasn't nothing thrown, I don't think, because I think something jumped. over the truck and just kind of clip the top of the truck. And we're talking about a truck now that's on, at a six-inch lift, 35, 12, 50, 20-inch tires. I mean, big old tires and everything. And it jumped over it, off the ribs to my right, over me, clip the top truck,

and then down another hauler. Wow. Whatever it was, it was massive. That's the only weird thing I've ever experienced off in there. Just a very ominous feeling, too. It's very dark. Yeah. I think the worst ominous feeling I felt

in the woods wasn't even in Tennessee. I think it was in Washington State when I was out there. When I went to Ground Zero for where West had this experience, that was chilling. Yeah. But there are areas here in Tennessee that I've had similar vibes. And I think if I ever get up to Colby, I think that's going to be an area.

Yeah. Because I've heard stories about that area. And there's a shout out to Wooogitty Woodward's. Actually, actually, I was at his shop when you and I were supposed to record, but the time got away. I couldn't do it. But he's, I don't think he's too far from Colby. Like, he had some, he knew of some areas, and he said, I'll take you. Yeah.

And I was like, man, I love locals. Oh, yeah. I reached out to Harley Owens about some things up there because he was talking about, I think, some of the coloration, some Bigfoot he was seeing, and some reports I've had over the years from. down in our area. I mean, yeah, it's a pretty good distance between, but I don't think that'd be a good, I mean, a distance for a big for the travel or part of the same family group because of the color eration and the way it looked in the sunlight and everything else. I've heard a report, two of them at Ball River Falls. Um, guys were up there on top, actually, ginseng hunting back in the 80s. And while they were up there, they were just digging their jinsane and heard a crash come to the right. And so they just looked up and it was just, he described it as the most, you know, beautiful side he's ever seen. He said, this female Bigfoot come walking. Oh, boy. Bound chick a wow, wow. That's kind of what I thought when he told me. I thought, I think you've had a little too much drink or something. But he come walking, and she said it, come walking out from the

right, just up above the falls. And it said it looked like, I can't believe he referenced. He said, you ever seen that movie, Twilight, when the boy gets out there and pulls his chest open, he starts sparkling. I said, yeah. He said, that's what this thing looked like. I said, wait a minute, the middle of it, you're telling me a Bigfoot walked out in the sun, it starts sparkling. He said, no, it's like it had this glow to it, but you could see past it.

So he was describing an aura. Exactly. Wow. He was talking about the aura and how it just came, when it got across the water, he's saying that this seemed like this, he don't know if it walked off or just disappeared. His partner that was with him called the, last glimpse of it and seen what it was and they just they left after that he ain't been back up since so his partner was able to confirm it yeah his his partner said he was yeah he's seen

the last end of it while as it finished off the other side of where it crosses the creek part or river part of the falls up there um said he's seen it just right there and it was they never went back so and then someone else what is the name of that's that holly springs down on the other side You know, Bawarfall Trails goes from one side to the other side of the mountain, and you can hike it down. I think it's Holly Flats campground. There was someone camping down there around the 90s, late 90s, and experienced the same coloration of a Bigfoot and similar experience.

Maybe not, they didn't say they was glowing like Edward from Twilight, you know. It's bad that I know the name. It was sparkling at all. It was sparkling, you know. But they seen the similar thing. female bigfoot come out with the blondeish color. That's what I was trying to get. The blondeest looking color that it was had on it,

not necessarily red or black or brown, but more like a blonde. When Harley was talking about that, it made me click and I started, I wanted to reach that if there's any connections, but we haven't able to connect a whole lot yet. You know, I'm looking at my schedule right now because I just,

I just talked to somebody, and that's the thing I had to look back my schedule to see if I could jog my memory and it's not jogging. I don't recall. So I was talking to somebody who was talking about, it was a dog man that had like a blondeish red fur coat. I think it's actually, I think I know who it is. It's this one guy that listens to the show I was talking to.

And it had stepped out in front of his dad's car on a Christmas season. They were coming home with a Christmas tree. And it had this colored fur. The first time I heard of a Bigfoot that was blonde, It's funny to bring this up because it was another female. And this story is weird, too. Wow. Because it's getting hot in here.

Yeah, a little bit. So it wasn't on my show. It was on Wes's show. And I remember he called me after he talked to the guy to ask my opinion on just, like, my thoughts on the story. I think he even sent me the story to listen to. But you know how like Janice Carter talked about the habituation and the idea that there's a relationship built and all that? Did she ever talk about the idea of these things coming in her home? She talked about that there was a family member that was, well, let's put this way.

Yeah, okay. She had a family member. She never did discuss her their name was and that's fine because of the nature of the story. but she had a family member that was essentially raped by a Bigfoot. And they call that, I do remember that one, Blackie. They call that one Blackie because he's Jet Black. And that's one on the hit list. Yeah, that one, that one.

I remember that one. Yeah, that's the rogue one, supposedly, the one that causes so much trouble. Still out there. As far as I know, last time I had talked to her, yeah, she said, she's still out there. I'm out there, hunting Blackie. That's right. So, but this happened to that woman, and it drove her. not insane, but a lot of people

didn't believe her what was going on. She was sent off pretty much. When she got out, she got come home. I think that was why they were still living on the one of the last couple years or year of the family farm. They were there and they said this name one, come back and was telling Janice's daughter, Holly, I think her name was,

what he was going to do to her essentially the same thing, but he was trying to. And he was trying to break in. That's demonic. They vary. That's demonic. Like, I, I mean, that, that, you take Bigfoot out of the equation, you just say the word entity and then doing whatever. You know, you're talking about a demonic entity that is doing just terrible things to people.

And it's something that actually happens to people. Right. That's crazy, man. Like, I think I would have a great time talking to Janice. I don't know how she feels about these things, but I probably almost guarantee you. I would probably don't feel the same way. Right. Yeah.

But, I mean, I think we could have a respectful conversation. but I bring that up because the guy on West's show, he said, and I don't remember the story's verbatim. I can't tell you what episode was. It was probably like five or 600 episodes around that range. But he talked about the, he goes to this lady's house in the middle of the woods, and I don't know what his business was doing there, but she had like a family of Sasquatch that lived with her.

and he goes in and he sees one come down the stairs or something. It was crazy, man. But he said it was blonde. It was a female. It was blonde. And the way he described her, oh, I think he liked her. Because he was like,

it sounded like he was like, man, if I was a big foot. But the crazy thing about this is, Tony, is that there's so many people having these encounters. They're having, I'll say it, an attraction to these things or whatever. And they're running, like there was a guy on Brian, Sasquatch Audits. I don't think it's called that now. He had a story very similar to the same thing that this guy was out camping with,

I think it was a prison camp or some type of camp, and they were out doing some cleanup at West. And he had an encounter where this thing actually come into the tent with him. And I'll leave it there. He just got a hitter story for himself. Hold on a thing. You're saying like it got romantic? Uh-huh. That's where the story goes. Mutual? Mutual.

And this guy supposedly thinks he has a child with Bigfoot. What? Mike drop. He has a child with Bigfoot. That's what he says. That's, I'm just telling the story. But I'm just saying it's the craziest thing. I know my buddy. No, no. I was going to say this.

I know. I know. I'm going to end up playing this for my buddy to listen or whatever. Or he'll listen on his own. He'll like, dude, did you really say that? Because it gives me crap for saying peepo and pipeball. time I was here. But anyways, but that's the crazy thing. This happens. There's several stories where people run this thing and they're having romantic encounters. It's weird. Yeah.

It's very strange. It's very strange. And if you're somebody listening or watching this and I'm just, we're describing you and I say you're strange and you take offense to that, just know, you're strange. It's weird. It's weird. But I mean, like, that's where I, like, that stuff, it really does point me in the direction of these are demonic. There's something, let me put this way, because I don't know what they are. So to say demon gives it a classification

that I'm not comfortable with, but they're showing demonic tendencies and attributes. Well, talking about the whole female thing, I had an idea while back, I've kind of kept up top and I'll throw it out here. What do you think if it could tie in with Lilith? With the female stuff, with how these females come out to these guys and are attracted or whatever, you know.

It's the same with like the Lilith stories. These guys are off in the woods and they come across this siring. That's this most beautiful siring or whatever. And they fall head over heels or whatever and things end up happening. And you say demonic and it makes me think of Lilith vibes, you know, this kind of the same aspect. What if it's the same entity in another meat sack is. Or whatever.

Yeah. I mean, or it could be a different entity, same tactics. Right. So, I mean, yeah, because when I say demonic, like I, I'm, I mean, maybe. Right. But I also don't want to just confine it to the topic of demonic, right? Or demons. Right. I think it's a little too simplistic, to be honest with you.

But it, when I say that, I mean, like, the, the actions, the tendencies, what it's doing has demonic. Right. It looks demonic, you know? Like, we know that there. the incubus, the succubus, that's what they do. Right. You know, and we do know that there are people who willingly

lie down with such demonic entities. And that's why I say they're a supernatural being because there's these weird phenomenons happen with these things, but also on very natural thing as well. That's just my opinion on it, like I said, but it's just so weird. This whole, we're never going to know until we actually can get a chance to sit down and talk with one, honestly.

I think they're very capable of talking to us in a certain way. I really do call me crazy, but I think that... I mean, Lest Stroud wouldn't argue with you? No. I wouldn't, not even, don't telepathically or whatever. Mindspeak. I would say, you know, actual sit-out... Verbiage.

I mean, like, literally, we're talking about a supernatural being to... All right, so we're talking about a supernatural being, or if you want to go to the physical route, a highly intelligent, physical creature. Right. I think it might be silly to say that there couldn't be some kind of level of communication, right? Like, I mean, I don't know if I want to say they all talk, you know, we'll sit down and talk about, you know, what they have or dinner with you. Right. The communication aspects, I mean, and I mean, Janice would say. Yeah, I suppose to say Janice says she's had several conversations with them and she's explained to me how they talk.

They kind of like draw it out. They're not very fast talking like we are. They kind of just draw out English. words. They can say native tongue words very easily. And then that book, she even has it laid out where this word means this and these native tongues. Like it's a very wide spectrum of what it entitles to, like what native language and other stuff like there. There's Cherokee in there too. There's, uh, I think I've seen some Apaches and Cheyenne and stuff like that it all relates to yeah. They all has a very similar meaning, uh, essential as the way she's got laid out. And with Janice's story, she has other family members that will verify and corroborate, right?

Mainly her daughter. I think her daughter, like I said, I think her daughter's name's Holly. Is that because others are dead or the others don't want to talk? I don't, I probably both, honestly. I think, I don't, I think the family, way I understood it, right, the family farm kind of everybody, the elderly, one's passed off and we're done with. I just, I just heard, I just heard like a kid or something.

I wasn't sure it was my kids. Yeah, go check and make sure my kids aren't here. Go ahead. But she, you know, she, they sold the property pretty much essentially and all left, you know, there at the end and she sold her portion was done with it. But I forgot where I was going with that. Yeah. Sorry.

Hey, you're good. I got distracted. Did you hear that town? I heard that day. Yeah. It sounded like a kid or something. I was making sure my kids weren't here. Right.

Yeah. I was watching or something. Right. Yeah. That's all right. What was we talking about? Other people that's experienced. The only person that I know of with currently within her circle right now is her daughter, Holly.

Okay. So it was the only person. Have you met Holly? I have not. I've only met Janice in person twice at Eddie's Pizza Shop. Shout out Legends and Lord. Leisure Pizzeria, Madisonville, Tennessee. Have you tried their Tennessee Wild Man pizza?

I have. What's the new pizza they have? The macaroni pizza. I haven't had the macaroni pizza. The macaroni pizzas are brand. knew when he just come out with. Really? The macaroni pizza.

Oh my gosh, I got to get down there. I mean, it makes sense, macaroni cheese. We got to go talk to him. He invited me last weekend. I couldn't make it, but he went out to the Monroe County Courthouse for an investigation for the second time of paranormal investigation. Really? I don't know how it went, but undoubtedly it's pretty haunted. Really?

Yeah. Interesting. I wasn't able to make it. He invited me coming out, but I wasn't able to make it. Yeah. See, I'm kind of particular. So, and no offense to Eddie or anything. Like when it comes to like paranormal investigating like I guess in a sense that's what you're doing in the woods.

Right. But it takes a different turn most of the time when you're doing it in a building. Correct. And I just don't, I've been in situations where I just wasn't comfortable what was happening. And it's not it's not anything other than I have my own feelings about it and convictions. and I just, I don't think I would jive well in a mixed group of people doing the investigations. Yeah. Because, like, my idea of investigating is to sit and just let it happen around me.

And I know a lot of investigators are, like, bringing tools and trying to, like, conjure things, you know, just, and maybe conjuring is a strong word, but, like, the idea of communicating with something. Yeah. I have a hard time with it, too. It makes you nervous. I love the idea, because back in high school, we used to go all these haunted places to sit and see what would happen. Nowadays, I probably shouldn't. And if my other papal, my other papal is a Baptist pastor, he's always preached. You are not able to talk to the dead from here to there.

That's not natural. They're gone. They're not here. That's demonic. You know, so I kind of reserve myself for these paranormal stuff. I want to go and try and go, I ain't going to lie. These Estes methods, they seem pretty neat to experience. Do I want to know.

I want to watch it. Yeah, Estis method. Can you refresh me? because I know I've seen it. So essentially the SIS methods where you take a radio thing. That's right. Radio thing. Yeah.

You blindfold yourself and stuff. But you take that radio scanner and it scans through all sorts of channels at one time. And these entities are opposed to speak to it. And you hear the words come through your headphones while you're blindfolded. Right. So it's two people. One person is asking the questions, or asking the questions. The other person is blindfolded with noise canceling headphones on.

that's piping in like random radio. And so like you'll ask a question of like, am I okay being here? And then the person listening has no idea you ask that question. They yell out like, no, leave now. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly like, and that's another thing is that I've been put my, I put myself in

situations over the years even before podcasting that I've learned from no. And one thing I've learned is that I know at times, depending the situation and the environment, I can't trust my decision making. And so because of that, I tend to refrain from putting myself in situations where I have to make the decision. Right, exactly. That makes sense. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Well, there's even Bigfoot investigators that try this method.

Like, for instance, Jesse and Joel from Helbert Holler, they used it one time and had some very, Well, of course they were outside of a graveyard, too, but it has some very... There's that. There's that. I guess I should throw that in. But they were out there for a Bigfoot investigation, essentially. So how do you, I mean, not you, but them or anybody, really, how would one distinguish between, if you're on a Bigfoot investigation, you're doing that, how do you know what you're communicating with? You won't.

You won't. I mean, you won't. I mean, it's coming in as one neutral voice, either male or female through your headset, unless it identifies itself, you ain't going to know. That's just the interesting part. You're just going to hear communication coming in both years, and you're not going to know unless it tells you. But if it tells you, I think you're in a lot more trouble than what you realize, honestly.

So, I mean, you're talking about demonic. You're getting a very demonic level, a very demonic level. It starts telling you. Like all are the stories, the guy that, Shucks, I can't think of the name, the guy that run into the, made a deal with one of the other entities. I can't remember the name of it.

It starts with the E. No one don't start with the E. But anyway, I mean, you start hearing... From my show? Yeah. You're talking about the Dark Shift episode? It's been a while back. He made a deal with an entity to work for it?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. So I think once you start hearing names or it starts saying your name, you're in a lot more trouble than you are, whether you're out on a big foot investigation or not, I think so. Yeah. No, I agree.

I mean, and that's where, like, the lines get blurred a lot with this stuff. Like we were talking about earlier, the property in Madisonville, I think it was that has the orbs and the Bigfoot activity. Like there's so many things that I think cross the lines and blur. Like you can't look at this stuff as one topic. Like, oh, I'm a Bigfoot research. Bro, you're a paranormal research. That's what you are.

You know, like, oh, no, I just do Bigfoot. No, you don't. Believe it or not, you don't. As Scott Carpenter, you know, like when he was here, like he started out with Bigfoot. foot. And all of a sudden, he's talking about portals, dog man, you know, like, I'm sure he probably talked about UFOs too. His rabbit hole got deeper. Yeah, yeah. He just kept getting deeper. Yeah. That's what happens when you get into these subjects. Travis has been kind of dusting off his dad's channel. And before his dad passed away, or no, after his dad passed away, I think it was

him and I were talking. And he said that his dad had like, I might get this wrong, but like nearly 10,000 hours of footage that had never been released. Because his dad would go out for hours. And walking and then offload all the video footage onto a drive and then not go through it because there's no time. Right. Yeah. And so like whenever Scott Carpenter would drop video, it was like probably video that had been shot for a long time. Like Scott told me himself that he has drives at his house that he has never looked at the footage on. Right. And we're talking about like terabytes. Right. And so Travis is starting to put some footage out and go through stuff. And I really like that, man, because his dad has done so much.

His dad has been a legacy that we all should, I mean, a huge legacy from the Gino project and everything. When I first got in this subject, I looked up that guy a lot because, I mean, he was from here. Local and everything. And like you said, he put himself out there and just let it happen. He never poked the bear, provoked anything. He just let it happen naturally.

And what I loved about him was he was able to talk about all this weird stuff in a way that just felt so normal. Oh, yeah. You know, like, I remember he was sitting where you're sitting, and we were talking about, oh, what was? It was something, like, supernatural about these creatures and stuff. And the way he would just say, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, they do this, they do that. But the way he would say it, it's like, oh, yeah.

Yeah, it's like, yeah, of course so, yeah. Why don't I even ask that question? Yeah, of course, yeah. But it's just because he's been around so long with it, and he's seen so much and experienced so much, whether it's his own experiences or people who socialize him with. Think about all the experiences he had. And then he is the one who takes Les Stroud out to an area that he recommends

and Les Stroud gets mine-speak. Like, that does something for you. I'm not talking about ego. I'm talking about, like, you as an investigator, the light bulb goes on and you're like, you know, everything that I've felt has just been confirmed through this guy. And this guy is a national guy who is a wilderness survival guy. It doesn't even know if he thinks he doesn't even know if he believes Bigfoot, it's real.

And he's out here getting mind speak. You know what I mean? Like it just takes to another level. So like he had to have been sitting here thinking like, yeah, yeah, of course. I've got there. There's something here. I mean. Wow.

And so like he just naturally just, you know, oh yeah. Yeah. And he, you know, even in the background, I remember what's his boys? I'm sorry. Travis. Travis. Yeah. You know, I remember him talking about on videos and stuff.

His dad was doing not only all of this, but he was helping those in need with this subject or any other, or even with faith as well in the background. And that just takes a heck of a man to sit there and do with all that with this on top of everything else. I hate that he's gone. God rest his soul, man of knowledge that's gone for now. Yeah. I think everything has its time, you know, and people don't want to hear that. But I think everything has its time.

and we all are going to expire one day, right? And we want to live this fantasy of pretending we're going to live forever, not think about death, not think it's going to actually happen, until it happens, and then we want to get in our feelings to start blaming God about something that we know is going to happen anyways. Exactly. You can't fear this life where it's going to lead you alive. Right.

And that's ours to it. Travis took a terrible situation because it's not like his dad was sick. It happens so fast. he took a terrible situation and I got to know Travis and he's he's flipped it and turned it for good

and I believe that Travis is going to it to a certain extent carry his dad's legacy you heard that too I heard that too there's all sorts of weird stuff going what's going on around here?

Yeah you want to take that knife and stab that ghost in the neck I was by saying go get to get toodles out of my truck about too but he's taking his dad's legacy and he's I think what he's going to do is he's going to run with it in a way that his dad couldn't and the fact that his dad left terabytes

of unseen footage I think Travis will be able to take that footage and put it in a consumable way that his dad was not going to be able to so Travis is going to be able to put a more clean spin on the editing and production of it that will be consumable that his dad was not able to do it

So I think, I think, so it's a terrible, his terrible situation. It opened up a door and unlocked something in Travis that I don't know would have been unlocked without his dad. To keep his legacy alive. Right. Like, sometimes everything's a crutch, right? So, like, he lives, like, dad does that. But now dad's not here. Right.

And now I'm going to do it. And it's like, I wouldn't do it my way. Right. And I think his way is going to do it. The way he's going to do it is going to be a way that I honestly don't think Scott would be able to see it. It's going to bring more of Scott's stuff in the 21st century. Yeah, it's going to take Scott's video and documentation, but the way people are going to be able to see it and consume it. Because I don't think, Travis would put out a funny little short of his dad on YouTube of his dad, like just kind of goofing around on camera.

But the way he produced it, his dad, I don't think, would have ever done that. I don't know if his dad ever would have even thought to do a short. And shorts are very important today's world because of people's attention span. So, like, if Travis can grab people's attention with a short and loop them back to a longer video to show them more, I think those are things that I don't know Scott would have done. Right, yeah. So, anyways, I just bring it.

I guess I'm just going down the memory hole of the rabbit hole of memories of Scott. But I think Travis is doing a good job honoring his dad. Oh, yeah. It's going to be cool to see how it all turns out. Oh, yeah, definitely. But anyways, you were talking about some campground locally that got shut down or something after Bigfoot encounters? City, City Co Campground. Camp site eight, there's a technical name for it. So pretty much the way to describe it, if you're coming in from 411 side and take a left to go like you're going to Sequoia birthplace and everything, take that long paid driveway to eventually turns into gravel.

So you follow that out essentially the whole. way to the mountain, to the mountain to the mountain where the road goes up the mountain. And it's the last campground there at the end as you're going into CityCove, like I said, from 411 way. And there's a low concrete bridge there that leads to this campground. There's been, I can't tell you, numerous, numerous, no, all sorts of Bigfoot Activia, active stuff. Trivia, Bigfoot Trivia.

I get a little tongue tied here. It's okay. My southern accent's coming out real deep. But there's a lot of stuff going on here. I did it again. Good grief. I get that word so hard. I love the fact that you're just like, listen, I'm not going to try again.

Stuff. Yeah, stuff. Yeah, stuff. Anyways, there's this stuff going on back here that people are, that camp there have rocks, sticks being thrown at them from their campsite. They're being circled. That's the number one thing. They're being circled.

And every time it circles around, it comes in closer. and closer and closer, but they don't never bring them no harm. Even Matt Seber from East Tennessee, Bigfoot, he has, long time ago, it's been a long time ago, I think he documented some nest back in this area, some very large woven together nest.

And this was a thriving campground, a very thriving campground. Now, it could be closed down because the forester service was tired of taking care of it, because there was a lot of people to come in there and do bad things, unfortunately drugs and other such things at this spot

because it was back in there and secluded is off the road and people would leave human feces and laying around stuff stuff people are treating it terribly, very terribly. So shout out to, if you're ever in camping in Cherokee National Forest, please take care of it.

We enjoy our campgrounds. But that may be one of the reasons shut down, but this past, not this past spring, but the spring before that, that campground was open. And I hired her tell

that they was going to shut it down. even my son last summer he was up there with a group, youth group cleaning up the trails and the campgrounds and stuff like it and weed and everything. That was one of the ones they cleaned up and they was open. And like I said, last spring, not this previous spring, but the last one before, so last year it was open because I would make my rounds there while I was turkey hunting. But this night, me and him had been, you know, we got out and was riding around. Excuse me. We were riding around like we normally do.

He had a, hit a little spell with these ADHD and stuff and I get him out right around just kind of cool him down bring him back down so he'll settle down stuff like it and so we and that's one thing we do we got looking for bigfoot stuff or whatever so this night we actually went to back creek like we normally do and we get in that later but we went to back creek did our round through her nothing happens I'm like hi let's head up the mountain just go look so we take that old long road that night it's dark by the end and we just take it out through her and I'm going to pull in her and my plan was to pull in there and go up and look and then we pull up to the bridge and it's it's closed down there's

I mean recently like they just put these big concrete barriers right at the road so you can't get in there and I can't figure out why I haven't figured out anything why they've done it yet I've tried contacting a couple of people exactly why no I haven't found no answers I ain't got no leads yet but it's a big zone for, you know, Bigfoot, Lord Mercy, right down at the bottom. But this is the bottom, what I've, what we've called Jeffries Hill, where the famous dog, Blue and Coon Hunter died parrished up around the mountain. Even the witches there, there's been stories of the witch growing up that's in that same little area. This is one big area.

Even a guy from, let's see, David and Jason at Paranoil 401 to share me this story about a guy that was back here, I want to call Far Gap. was doing some deer hunting and run into a big foot. Actually, I think seen the big foot back there and heard some yells and screams back there. It's one big hot spot. And if you look at the map, all this is just a big old bowl that leads down together until bottom. There's a portion of it on up the mountain. If you follow Trail 105 and don't go down, Jeffries Hill,

but you keep across the top of the trail that goes up towards Eagle Gap and the drop down, there's a portion off the inner called dark holler. I mean, in the daylight, it's dark. I mean, you about have to have flashlights. It's so dark, it's way off down in there. But there's just so much dog or bigfoot activity. Take gum it there I went again. Stuff.

Stuff. Bigfoot stuff. Bigfoot stuff going on. I might need the episode of Bigfoot stuff. That's fine. Bigfoot stuff. But there's a lot of bigfoot stuff going on in that area, a lot from rocks being thrown vocalizations and everything.

And then like I said, you got throw in. the Jeffrey Hale stuff that I've encountered up here many times, the witch thing, the story for me and what me and my uncle experienced a long time ago up her. And actually two months ago at this time, and that same time me and my boy went to go to see about the campground. Well, I thought, well, this is a bummer. I don't want to go all you back at the same way we come.

What's just going up and cut down the mountain up top up by Indian boundary? So we take the road, the road turns right and goes up the woods. up the mountain and we're just be bobbing up through her and we're coming through what i call the witch's cap the witch's cap is just a portion of the mountain where the witch's house used to supposedly be i'm not 100% sure about this story i've heard it three times from three different old timers and teleco but there's what we call the witch's cap what we just kind of named it because it's the top of this ridge and it's almost the very top and as we're going up i've got ditch flights on my truck that point off the side of the road i have like

a big 360 view of lights all way around my truck. And I'm just be bawling it through and I'm just looking around. I had to look right and I catch this like dark brown figure kind of blondeish color, massive. So just take off through the woods. I mean, this in a second. It was at the side of the road up the reds and like two seconds,

if that. Just moving at a rate of speed. And the best way to describe what this was was, If you look at the Patty game, Patty game, Patty, Patty film, when she's walking through Bluff Creek and she's fixing to go behind the rock right before she turns and she's walking and got that right foot up, that's exactly what I sing go up beside that ridge. I mean, just booking it up through her. The weird part was, as we went up, there was somebody camping right there. I sometimes want to second guess was, oh, that was somebody, but whatever this was massive. I mean, the hips, here we go with the intimate stuff.

The hips on this thing was wide, a very broad back, very massive legs, and you've seen just hair everywhere. I mean, just hair. And they're just moving at a high-rate speed up the side of the ridge. My son didn't catch it right until I said something. And he just caught the last glimpse that as we lost a lot of it. It got outside the lights I had on the truck and was just gone. But I was mentioning there was people camping up there on top of the ridge at the very top. You're not supposed to be, but there's somebody

was. I couldn't find a soul there. I don't know if they was hiding or there was no campfire. There was no lights. There was nothing running. Nothing in the camper. Nothing. I don't know if they was hiding out because they scared whatever was happening or what. I didn't want to stop because I didn't go and get shot, you know, walk up, hey, this ain't a big foot over here.

Yeah, all right, you know. Click, click. Exactly. But, yeah, that's, that happened. That's a big hotspot, a big hotspot. Was this the area that you saw the Black Panther? No, the Black Panther happened down in Etowal, Tennessee. How far is that from here?

That is an hour and 15 minutes. South? South. Wow. So I want to hear what happened because we had a picture. Jack, if you could just make a note that when you're editing this to ask me for the picture. Because I know I have it somewhere. I'll dig it up.

But I think I'd text it to you, right? I sent it on the app. That's where I say it. Oh, yeah. I shared on the professionals members app. Yeah, that's right. I seen it on my app. Because the professionals have their own social media community and members app.

Right. It's a confessionals members community app. Right. Like social media. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That I stress enough that the professionals have that has their own social media app.

But members of the website, not YouTube. Sorry, YouTube. I had to pay to build a website or an app for, members on the website. But the YouTube members, they don't have access to it because there's no way for me to connect it to. And you guys already haven't. It's called YouTube. That's why you're there. So anyways, I did post it on there. And it's up in Kodak, though. So it's the opposite direction is this. Oh, yeah, the way opposite direction.

We almost bought a house at Kodak when we first were looking to move down here. And this cat that I posted on there, though, I mean, it was large. It was large. It was large. you that. It wasn't really tall-wise, because even the one that I shot at wasn't really tall. It was more long than anything, but it wasn't like a really out-west cougar or anything like that, that's, that magnitude or that size. So, but it, it looked a lot similar to the thing that I've shot at. So. Yeah, I'm looking at it now and stuff. It's definitely, I mean, it's, that's not a, to me, that's not a house cat.

No. That's not no, a long-tailed bobcat or gin. And that's not known. That is a pure black panther right there. Yeah. I've seen, besides one I've shot, I've seen two others. So, and that looks just like what I've seen before. And even an actual mountain line up on the mountain, actual brown mountain line.

Really? Uh-huh. How long ago was this? Oh, it's been two, four or five years ago. It's been several years ago. That's still not too far. It was actually up on top. We was coming to me and my wife.

We were back, well, yeah, back when we were just riding around one night coming down, I seen, she's seen it too. This from the midsection back, this big, I mean, it was pretty big, a pretty big, massive brown cat. And all I remember was the tail just waving off like that as they went through the woods because it was keeping its balance because it's going to cross the side of the road. If I had this man just a couple minutes later, I probably caught it go across road. Jeez.

Just like the Bigfoot that we run into the last few months ago. So we have the mountain line you just shared, the black cat in Kodak. Yep. Got the black cat. Let me see this again. Black Panther and Kodak. Black Panther down. Where is it again?

Edwaw. Edewa. Man. I mean, we walk around the woods looking for predator animals like Bigfoot and dog, man. Yeah. I mean, I think, honestly, the chances of us running into a predator cat is more likely at this point. I mean, that's a, there's a lot. Yeah.

And even two springs ago, I run into a Red Wolf. Really? They're supposed to be extinct. I'm not even supposed to be here. The only living breed in Tennessee, as far as I know, Dockney is at the zoo. Wow. And then there's a group they watch in North Carolina, but it's like towards the mid of the actual state, if I'm not mistaken. So the Red Wolf is native to Tennessee.

They tried reintroducing it. They say it didn't take. It's not working very well. Yeah, it's not. That's the unfortunate part. The zoo, the Knoxville Zoo, they were one of the leader people in it. They were trying to reinduced a group back. And essentially what happened, the pups could not survive.

Something happened. And they pulled them back out. They pulled them back out and started. They're starting again. I mean, pretty much. So they're going to try again? They're going to try again. Really?

Well, they're being seen in Smokies now. Wow. Yeah, there's people. They've been posting warnings. Watch out for the Red Wolves. And we was up our last, last weekend. and we see now I'm thinking now and I say this and I say I run into Red Wolf but I know for a fact it was Red Wolf after comparing pictures and seeing one at the zoo but some of the coyotes

they're seeing and and this great smokies are I kind of have that reddish tent but they're smaller but this canine that I run into was massive I mean he was ever bit I'm probably five six on a good day I don't know but his head was probably when because I was from here to that TV screen from him. And his head was probably up to my belly, but no way. He was big. He's a big, beautiful doll.

I mean, beautiful. I was, it freaked me out because I'll tell the story. So we're, me and my kids were walking up this road bed in the Turkey Creek area of the South Cherokee National Force up in Teleco. And as we're walking up through our,

I'm hitting my turkey calls as kind of got, I'm not no best turkey call ever, but I'm trying it. We're going up there. And I can hear it. gobble way, way off in the distance. So I'm sitting there just hitting a call and everything else. And we get to a point I'm still hearing gobbles.

Now, keep in mind this whole time, we're dressed in camouflage during turkey season, you don't have to wear flesh and orange. So I'm dressed in canoflods all about me, my two kids are head to toe. And I'm carrying two big old turkey decoys like this on the side of each of my body, just poking out there. So I'm sitting there calling and calling and I hear brush break. So I put my shotgun in my left hand and went to dry. my pistol with my right hand and pulled it up and out jumped this red wolf right in front of me.

He freezes and I freeze. And we're just standing there looking at how far away from you? From me, that TV screen behind you. No way. I'm not kidding. I mean, he was that close. Wow. Jumped right out of the bushes right in front of me just stood there.

He was going to lunch, but he just stopped and looked at me. And I just looked at him, pointed the gun. I'm like, don't do it. Don't. I'm like, and God, you're a huge coyote. You're a huge, God. And I was worried about my son sending birds shot up. my side freaking out of what that was, you know.

But did I tell you what? That dog, like I said, his snout would have been at my belly button. Like I said, I'm 5'6. That's why. I think I'm 5'6. Anyways, but in this big old broad head, the dark red colors across the top of the head, down the back and to the side of the ribs, this big old fluffy, red and grayish tail. God, he was just a beautiful cane.

I'm like, can I just take you home? Because it was a beautiful dog, the canine. Did he show any kind of threats towards you? No, he just showed no teeth. He was by himself. Wow. He didn't show no teeth, never did growl at me. Like I said, he just jumped out, and we just both stopped and looked each other like,

well, who's going to move first, you know? Yeah. And he kind of just jumped backwards and took back up off the ridge, never seen him again. And outside of the size, because when you look at a red wolf, if you don't know what you're looking at, especially in a picture because you have no size comparison, it kind of does look like a coyote. It kind of does, yeah. Like even the shape of their ears, but their ears, the ones that I'm looking at here, they have like this red outline on the ears.

Is that what that one had? This one had the red, the most of the red. See, like with coyotes that have the red tent to them, they mostly mainly got like a gray tent to the bottom, their chin line, their jaw line and stuff, and it comes down to the front of their shoulders. This thing had the full face red on top of its head, not like the darker red on top of its head through the face, the mask of it on the ears. I don't know about the outline, but I do remember there was some red in color on its ears, and then it went down to the side of its body to the main of its back,

and then there was mainly gray and stuff like that. Wow. Yeah, this thing was huge. So we got Bigfoot, Dogman, Black Panthers, Mountain Line, Red Wolf, here in East Tennessee. Yeah. Wild. Wild.

Oh, yeah. Wild. Yeah. You know, you kind of glossed over the story about the Black Panther. Yeah. What was it like how far away was it from you? Why did you shoot at it? Did you feel threatened or were you just like, I got to show this to the boys?

I honestly freaked out them. I was a teenager. Me and my dad was out Coon Hutton on the property of the family farm. And we was just out through her. And my dog, Cletus at the time, my old good redbone, you know, he was, I usually could just take him off the lead from the house and he'll catch up to him later when he gets treated. But this night, he stayed right beside me. I mean, just right beside me.

It would not leave my side. He was this kind of little skittish, you know. Dad had my younger pup that was training him. And what was its name? Tree Time and this official UKC name was Tree Time, Albert, Watson, Albert or something like that. He had a weird name. It wasn't a normal like Jake or Travis or whatever, you know. He had like a UKC name.

Anyways, we were going out through the field. We get into the woods. And that dog, young pup, dad. Dad's gone. This is going nuts. He's, br-wr-wr-wr-wr-wr. I mean, he's chopping away and going nuts. And Cletus, he's, I'm like, reaching down trying to push him. Let's go. Show us. Let's put what to do. Come on. We've got to get him trained. He's got a hunt to go through, you know. And then I'm messing with Cletus. And Dad said, shut up and stop. I said, what? And I turned around. And all I have are these big yellow eyes and this big old white teeth and whiskers looking at me hissing at me. And boy, Cletus, he just, I mean, he went into this big standoff mode. Every hair in his back was standing.

I'd say about probably about 10 feet. You're serious. I'm serious. He's about the same as a wolf. Probably about the same as a wolf, yeah. Real, real close. Yeah.

And he's just that cat, he's just sitting there. I've got a lot of them. He's jet black. I mean, black as black can be black in these chairs. We're in this mic stands, probably. I mean, this big old, his eyes were going like a yellowish color because we had the lights on him. And like he's showing his teeth and his wish.

He was just in her, you know, he isn't at us. I'm frozen. I don't like, what do we do here? And dad's like, shoot it. I'm like, what? Shoot it. I'm like, okay. So I'm trying to move slowly to my right shoulder because I've got an old 22

Marlin sling on my shoulder. And I just flip it. I just flip it real quick, throw the trigger in my hand to start pulling it. I don't take aim. I just let go. And it runs off. Dogs take off after it. And we never did find no blood, so to say.

We thought we did, but I don't think we did. But I just scattered. shot at the, I think I honestly shot either at his feet or above it just is scared away. And it just run off. The dogs chased after we finally got them back. And that was in high school? That was back when I was in a high school to age, yeah. So roughly 15 years ago.

So probably around 2010, 12 is 13-ish. And they, and back then they still wouldn't have said that there's Black Panther here. Now, Lord, we've been hearing the thing for several months. We had a couple cows go miss, well, not go miss and cat mutilated on. stuff like yet. And it was weird even the vet come out and said, that looks like, they don't look like a canine mark in the hindquarters.

That looks pretty feline-ish. You know, he was even trying to say, there's something not right here. Interesting. Oh, we also have the police officer that Eddie told us about down in a pizza, our Legends Lord Pizzeria. Yeah.

He said that a cop came in, I think it was a sheriff, and said that he had on his dash cam, a black pantherer, there that cross the street and he said the tail was so long that when it dipped underneath the guardrail, the tail wrapped around the guardrail as it dipped underneath. Oh yeah. And I think somebody visited the cop and said you're not allowed to release that footage or something like that. Oh, I'm sure so. You tell TWRA about the like I've talked to T RWRA

and kind of jokingly about the cougar I run. He said, no, no, you didn't. Yeah, I did. What are you talking? He said, no, you didn't. You understand me? You did not. They're so scared to admit these things are here. I don't know. Probably tourism. I don't know. But the thing is about East Tennessee, we need that big predator. We don't have a big predator here.

We need the wolf or the Cougar or the Black Panther here to keep the ecosystem in better shape than it is, honestly. Yeah. It's surprising we haven't been to eat up with CWD yet with the deer because the deer population here is just unwild. Mm-hmm. So, you know, I got to get a hold of somebody that works over there and just see if I could talk to them. They'd be hard. I know. But just, you know, off the record, on the record.

I don't secretly have a microphone on me. You know what I? Yeah. But I just, you know, because I ask that question every time I talk to me like you about it, it's like, why don't they want to admit something like that? And nobody has a good answer. Right. You know, like, I can understand, like, at this table we're believers.

But let's just say it this way, if Bigfoot's real, if Dogman's real. I could understand why they wouldn't want to admit that. Right. Yeah. But a natural predator, like a mountain line. It would install fear on the public, honestly. But it doesn't do that other places in the country. Like, we know there in Washington State.

And guess what? Idiots like me fly out there to hang out in the woods. Right, exactly. So like, why, what's the difference? I think the thing is to adhere, you don't have to come here and worry about that. You don't have to worry about it. Lord, they're making the black bears seem like they're worse than they really are. They're not.

They're just curious. They're hungry for one, especially. like the ones up smoking. It's while you see them all the time, getting people's cars. They're running out of resources. Why? Because there's not a natural predator to take care of the deer and other such things. That's a terrorist to it.

Even the turkeys. So you think if there was more natural, like what, red wolves? Red wolves. You think it would keep what a bay, the bear? It would keep, it would help the eco. It wouldn't keep the bear at bay. It would help the ecosystem. In other words, we've got an abundance of this animal, a deer,

white-tailed deer. for instance. There's abundance of them. I don't know why they won't let's harvest more year, but you need that ultimate predator here to make sure it's doing its job in the ecosystem to keep things at bay, whether that's the populations down that could do diseases and other such things. I mean, why do you think CWD, CWA got spread out at West Tennessee like it did? Because they don't have a natural predator to keep the deer population down, so it spread like it did. And what is that again? It's a chronic waste disease, yeah. It's pretty much essentially mad cow disease for deer.

And can that spread to humans if they eat to meet? Yes, to a degree. It's kind of like how the whole mad cow disease thing went. If you ate the brain of it or the infected organ of it, you could get some type of sickness from it. So you become like a walking zombie. Pretty much. That's what these deer become. And some of those videos are freaky.

Really? I haven't seen any videos. Oh, yeah. These things are, they'll run around the circles their mouths open and do all sorts of weird, grow weird knots and their flesh actually decaying and stuff like it. Oh, yeah, they look like walking zombies. Just yesterday there was a family of deer. Is that, are they family to pack animals?

Yeah. They were walking through our backyard. There was a couple bucks, young bucks. There's one baby that I still had spots on it. Do you think that if I saw something like that acting erratically and I killed it, do you think I'd have a problem with considered hunting without a license kind of thing? No. You'd have to, I'd recommend.

contact TWA immediately just so they can document, get, taken care of and figure out what's going on. Yeah. That's a big, that's a big deal. Oh, yeah. Because, I mean,

that's just, when they start, when the government starts coming after us for our other meats and synthetic meets, that's the one thing we're going to need to be able to survive and go out and get actual business and the stuff like out. Yeah.

Which I, like, I know we have an abundance now, but I have thought about this recently. Because, like, one nice thing about living here is you got the mountains right there. And if things go south, You can, you know, theoretically retreat into the hills.

Right. But there are so many people here that are operating at the same idea. I think the deer population will go away really fast. Mm-hmm. Really fast. It will. And so you got, like, you're going to have to know how to, like, harvest other things, like raccoons and balsams and stuff like that.

God forbid skunks. Yeah. I used to, I used to a lot in high school, do trapping. And that was some of the guy, the guy that I used to trap for it and send my high dude. For some weird reason, he wanted skunks. He wanted skunks. He wanted skunks.

People like the coloration for something. Yeah. They're pretty animals. Yeah. They are. They are. Yeah. I mean, you've trapped them.

Yeah. I've trapped them. It's not fun. I have too. It's not fun. The easiest way I found to take care of them, the first time I did, my papo told me an old trick, he said, take you a bed. He meant a, like a cover off a bed, like a throat cup, a comforter.

Not a sheet. because he said a sheet. Too thin. Yeah. Exactly. And I got covered. Yeah. And he knew what he was doing.

He told me that one. But the next time I did it, I took an actual comforter and went over it and they don't spray. Right. Won't get through it. What do you do then? Wrap it up and find a way to extinguish it. And essentially, do you have a method that you can share or? No.

Okay. No. I have a method that I don't think I, I, I don't think. I can share. Okay, hang on. Let me back at recriminate myself. Okay. So the best way to do it is take a 22 and catch them in the backbone.

It breaks, snaps her spine and they're done. Okay. Let's do it that way. They don't spray then? Nope. Okay. They won't do it that way either. I thought I had, I didn't know what I had.

Yeah. But I set out traps. And one night I caught two skunks. And I was like, oh. Yeah. And it was a weekend. And I was like, I don't know what to do with these things. and everything I was reading was you had to shoot them in the heart.

And if you don't shoot them in the heart, they'll go off. They'll spray. So that's good to know the backbone. Yeah, the backbone. I mean, it snaps everything instantly. They don't have a react. The body won't have a reaction. Most of the time, I would say nine times out of ten when I'd done that, they never did spray.

Okay. So I just think that they're, they are pretty, pretty animals. If you could de skunk them, they might be good, like, house pets or something. Yeah, they may be. I don't know. I had a pet coon at one point. Did you really? Yeah.

It's a neat little creature. Yeah. It's just like a bigger cat. Yeah. That's all they are. Yeah, they do. They're an attitude too, too. Way big of it, bigger of an attitude than the cat.

They get grumpy? Yeah. And they like to crawl up and climb up everything and get into stuff. And you find them, they'll jump out. You open a cabinet and there they are and they'll jump at you. Yeah. It's quite interesting. It's never a dull moment.

Steel food and everything. Yeah. Stephen Watson from Arcane discoveries, man. I appreciate you joining me. Yeah, man, this is fun time. I think we're going to, we might have to link up and go to that guy's property. I think that would be fun. I think so. We'll work out the details.

Yeah. We'll get it together. Yeah, because there's a lot of stuff going on around here. And, you know, I know some locals, you're one of them that I think, you know, you can take me out and show me what's going on. But arcane discoveries. Where can they find arcane discoveries? You can find it mainly on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, and I just started a Facebook group page, all Arcane Discoveries on Instagram and YouTube and TikTok. It's Arcane Discoveries underscore 423.

You can even, if you're local, want to send us an email or something or I want to share your story. I love taking this stuff and document it. Email me at Arcane Discoveries 423 at gmail.com. So you're taking reports. and it's mainly for East Tennessee. Well, for the most part, but I'll take it from outside East Tennessee, put it into a file and document it. Okay, cool, man.

Yeah. Well, I appreciate you joining me. Thanks, man. All right. All right. Hits, whole great glitching in the side bits. Drive out. Tech commiss.

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