The Confessionals - 823: The Little Season and Satan’s Release

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

In this episode, Tony is joined by Ed Mabrie and Joel Thomas for a direct refutation of Little Season theology, a teaching that claims Satan has already been loosed and end-times prophecy is unfolding in a radically redefined way. Together, they dismantle the core claims of the movement by walking carefully through Scripture, exposing where the theory stretches biblical text, ignores historical context, and creates confusion about Christ’s victory, Satan’s binding, and the nature of the age we are living in. Rather than chasing speculative timelines, the conversation calls believers back to sound doctrine, biblical literacy, and discernment in an era flooded with persuasive but unstable teachings. This is a grounded, Scripture-first response to a growing movement, urging Christians to test every doctrine and remain anchored in truth rather than trend.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Mabrie:YouTube | Website | BookJoel Thomas:Little Season Series: Watch HereAll other links: Click HereMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Not Abandoned

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But Ed is a new face to the confessionals family. And they both come on to share some very interesting insights into what is now called the Little Season theology or Little Season Theory. It's becoming a growing theology in the fringes of Christian conspiracy theories. It has a lot tied into it from Tartaria to Jesus being in the North Pole and a lot of other things as well. But Ed and Joel come on the show to help break down exactly what the Little Season theory is and why it's wrong. So let's get to the show right now. All right, today we have Ed Maybri in studio.

And this guy over here, I don't know who this. He just showed up, Joel Thomas. He said, hi, I'm Joel Thomas. Can I join? I said, sure. You know, so how are you guys doing? Good, good. I'm really happy to be here.

Thanks for inviting me. Absolutely. Absolutely. Joel. I'm great, man. I'm excited about this episode. I've been beating a dead horse trying to get you to do this for the longest time. And you finally caved.

And then I said, well, you've got to hit up Ed in studio with us if we're going to do it. And you did. And Ed's here. So it's, yeah. Oh, that was the deal breaker. I said, if Ed doesn't show, we don't do this. Well, for better or worse, I become the little season debunking guy. It wasn't what I intended when I started off doing faith by reason. But, you know, that's what it's become lately. And because this is such a hot topic, man, it's been grown and become much more so in the last few years. And I had no idea. I literally had no idea until a few months back, Joel was like, hey, have you heard about this little? I'm like, no, leave me alone with this. And he kept on hounding about it. But before we get lost in the weeds with the topic of the day, you being the first time, everybody knows where to find Joel, Free the Rabbit's podcast. His music is often the outro song for my show. Like, Joel's Joel. Let's start off with you. Sure. Who are you and introduce yourself to the audience since you're the first time here? Sure. My name is Ed Maybrey. And I am a researcher, content creator, and author. And my website is faithby reason.net. That's where all my material is that I've been working on for. like over a decade now. And also I have my Patreon, which is patreon.com slash faith by reason. That's

where I'm doing a lot of the interacting with my members. And I'm answering questions there. And my content drops there first. And I have my monthly Bible study where I go through the entire Bible in 12 months, once a month. And from the spiritual standpoint, I look behind the veil because the Bible is not our story. The Bible is God. It's the Jehovah's story. That's what I call the Bible study. is called Jehovah's Story, because that's the purpose of the Bible. It's not just a history book. It's not just a book on inspiration. It's not just a guide to life or a definition of terminology.

The Bible is a story. And the reason that God gave us his story is the same reason any of us give each other our stories, that we can know who he is. You know, if I know just facts about Tony Merkel, if I know where you live, where you grew up, what your GPA was in school, what you're, I don't know you. Call the police. I just know facts about you, but if I know your stories, if I know what you were like as a kid,

you know, the favorite things that you used to do when you were growing up, who you first fell in love with, who first broke your heart, things like that. Now I know you because I know your stories. I know your character. I know your integrity. Same thing with God. You know, the Bible really only encompasses about this, it focuses on this little area in the Mediterranean about the size of New Jersey called Israel. That's not because God doesn't care about the rest of the world. Of course he does. But he focuses on that because that's the people through whom he wanted to tell his stories that we know who he is, what his character is, what he loves and doesn't love, and what he expects from us. And that's done from a spiritual, supernatural standpoint. I know you talk about it a lot on this show, the Elohim, what's going on with the angels, Satan, which we'll be talking about a lot today.

And so it's not our story, it's his story, and it helps us know who he is. And that's what my Bible study is all about. And so that's on my Patreon. So my just overarching, my goal is to help people know who God is so that they know who he's not, so that they can have a fellowship with him, so they can have a relationship with him. So that's my goal is to help Christians understand why our faith makes sense, hence the name faith by reason, and to enhance our walk with our creator. That's awesome.

So when I got out of college, one of the got out of college, when I dropped out of college. Okay, I mean, it sounded like I graduated. But one of the only books that I really enjoyed while I was there was a book, I don't remember what it was called, but it was a book that was part of my Christian living class that I had. And looking back on it, I often, like, connect dots. And I think the reason why I enjoyed that book so much is because I looked at the Bible as a book that was just like a guide for me on Christian living. Like, how can I live like a Christian?

Not that I was a Christian, because I still, I'm going to be. little cloudy on it if I was actually truly a Christian or not. I had a lot of spiritual crutches growing up. My parents being one, musicians being another that I looked up to that were Christians. And I started learning as I got older. When those people fail you in life, all of a sudden, my faith would fall over too, right? And so, but I was all about this like Christian living. I just, you know, that was like, I don't know, like the thing that I looked at the Bible as the piece, right? And it's so much more than that. And it's, It's literally his word.

And until I started understanding that, I wasn't able to unlock the true supernatural power of the scriptures. Not that I have unlocked anything, really, to be honest with you. Like, I'm still on this journey. But that's actually the, I would say, the proof of the scripture being supernatural. The fact that you can read the scripture your entire life. And we were talking about our ages before. But like say you're 85, 90 years old, and it's your last day on Earth and you're like,

you know what I want to do, I'm going to die today. I know I'm going to die. I want to read my Bible. You've read it your entire life, but you could read your Bible on your last day here on earth and have a revelation. You never had the first 85 years. Yes. That's supernatural.

It is. Like you're not reading Harry Potter books for 85 years and discovering new supernatural, spiritual meaning behind it. There's a spirit that's working that's revealing itself to you through the word, right? So, yeah, it's definitely not Christian living. And with these topics that often come up with the Bible, there's, you know, debate and all that kind of stuff.

I had zero idea that there was any debate or, theories being thrown out about Satan's little season. When Joel first brought it up to me, I said, that's ridiculous. I don't want to talk about that. That's ridiculous. And I think you probably talked to me about three or four times before you, you're like, said something about Ed. And I was like, all right, we get Ed on.

We'll do it. You know, but it's interesting to hear some of the perspectives. And I thought it would be good to have this show today. So let's start off with what is little season. And we'll just let it evolve from there, this conversation. Sure. Because, like I said before, it's like there's two versions of it, right? There's the little season that everybody just kind of knows, I guess, from the Bible in Revelation 20.

And then there's also the theories that are being growing up now and becoming very prevalent. And I don't know if it's like a black and white issue or if there's a little bit of fog and gray, how we should view this. So I'm going to let it, you know, be interpreted today through this conversation. So let's go with Ed. You know, what is little season? We'll let it go from there. Right. So the little season is a, excuse me, the little season is an area of eschatology.

It's towards the end of the full eschatological calendar. So commonly in escatology, you have, again, eschatology being the study of end times of last things. You have a series of events that culminate in, obviously, the end when you get to the end Revelation where we are spent eternity in the New Jerusalem. But before that, you have the possibly a something called the rapture, which is very controversial. We aren't going to get into that today, which is probably even more controversial than the little season right now. Is it really? I know. It's stunning, right? Wow. So to eschatology, what Ed's talking about, there's different eschatologies, right? So different camps, right? So you're going to have your pre-trib,

which us three at the table believe that the tribulation is still coming. Right. And that Jesus' second coming comes with that. And then you've got seven years of tribulation after that. Jesus returns, sets up his kingdom in Jerusalem. And then we have a thousand years of millennial reign. At the end of that thousand years of millennial reign, you have a time called the Little Season, which Satan is loosed.

And we're going to read this in Revelation 20 here in a second. And he's loose for a little. Little Season. Now, what the theory that's prevailing now within the Little Seasoner's is what they call themselves, because this is a new esplan. What they call? Little Seasoners? I thought you said Little Seasoner's. And I was like, oh, man, that's self-deprecating. No. So Little Seasoners, they believe that this timeline of the little season is anywhere from 200 to 300 years. And we're currently in this timeline. Now, Ed and I will talk today. And I will specifically break down through the Hebrew and the Greek, how that's virtually impossible for it to be 200 to

300 years. But they also use people like Anatoly Famenko, who's one of their big people, and I'm going to talk about him today, who he's connected to, his mentors, and how that there's a nefarious thing going on when it comes to creating new history, creating new timelines. Now, I know that's been talked about on the show before, new timelines. We won't get into the possibility of parallel universes or any of that today. But what we will say is, though, they need Anatoly Famico and a few of the guys like them to be able to erase essentially 700 to 1,000 years of history, because they say that that's fake. And then this 200 to 300 years we're in right now is Satan's little season, which they say has started in 1776 with the Independence Day of the

United States. And we'll talk a little bit about that as well. It gets really out of hand. But it kind of goes to the fact that confirmation bias, and you hear that word a lot today, confirmation bias can create any kind of reality for you. You can pull out a sentence here, a paragraph here and make it fit within your paradigm and make it work for whatever you want to create, especially something like a new eschatology. So that's what they've created is this new end-time narrative. We were talking about pre-tribulation. Well, you've got post-trip people, too, who believe that the saints are going to deal with seven years of tribulation, then Jesus returns. You've got different versions of everything, and we'll talk about a few today because there's

is a weird conglomerant of several. So it's kind of its own new thing that started, and it's not necessarily new, but what they did was they added conspiracy theories in the truth or community into all of this. So now, any new conspiracy, theory that comes out, they can just shoehorn in and create it as a part of this ever-growing narrative. And you'll hear them say constantly on podcasts, oh, it just keeps growing more information, just keeps revealing itself. Well, yeah, if you're going to use confirmation bias, we can do whatever we want. We can create whatever we want. And then when your biggest trump card is, when you come with information that's the opposite of that, Satan deceived it. Satan deceived it. It's Satan did it.

Your information is wrong. My information is right, because Satan did it. And so, Satan did it. You, it. Well, I call that the salt bay technique. If you know who the chef's salt bay is, he just sprinkles some little seasoning on it, it says, time of deception. And that's kind of what they do. It's this idea that no amount of research against can ever be right, and only that their information is right. So, so let's, before we go too far down that hole, let's actually read where this is coming from. Right. So Revelation 20. Revelation 20. So the setup is this is at the end. So at Revelation chapter 20, you've had the tribulation. It's ended. It's ended with the Battle of Armageddon, with Jesus returns, second coming. He wins the Battle of Armageddon, which is very important because the idea that I know it sounds dull. Of course, Jesus wins the Battle of Armageddon. But believe it or not, that's very germane to debunking this idea. And then Satan is bound. So I'm just going to read the nine verses of Revelation chapter 20, because this is the only place in the Bible where this idea of Satan's little season, which I don't like. calling it Satan's little season because it makes it think that he's in control of it. It's not

his season. As we'll see, this is God's season. Wait, let me just read it from you. I'm reading for the new King James, Revelation 20 verses 1 through 9. Then I saw an angel coming now from heaven having the key to the bottomless pit or the abyss, the abyss, the abuso, and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he cast him into the bottomless pit and shut him up and set a seal on him so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things, he must be released for a little season. That's where we get the name, Little Season in Greek, which I'm sure Joel will go over is Micros

chronos, chronos meaning time, micros meaning small, tiny. That's where we get the word micro, a very, very short period of time. And then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. And I saw the souls of those who have been beheaded for their witness to Jesus, and for the word of God who had not worshipped the beast, the Antichrist, or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or hands, the mark of the beast. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years, but the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.

This is the first resurrection. The first resurrection is a category. Everyone who has died in Christ is resurrected. And it says that blessed is he who is holy, Bless and Holy is he who is part of the first resurrection over such the second death has no power. and they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with him for a thousand years. So you have resurrected saints,

specifically the saints of the tribulation, which we see in Revelation chapter 7 and 14, are millions. It says a number which no man can number who came out of the great tribulation and watched their robes in the blood of the Lamb. So this is no man can number, obviously, that's not literal, it's not infinite people,

but we can probably say it's tens of thousands, if not millions. You have resurrected saints who will never die again. They're immortal. Now, when the thousand, they were ruling reign with Christ for a thousand years, in this period of time, we call the millennial reign. It's the kingdom that had been promised to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob since the Old Testament is what the disciples were waiting for when they kept asking Jesus during the synoptic gospels. When will you set up the kingdom?

And Jesus would always say, not yet. This is the kingdom they were speaking of. It was promised to them for a thousand years. So now when this thousand years has expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations who are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to give. gather them together to battle whose numbers as the sand of the sea, they went up on the breath of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. That's Jerusalem. Jerusalem is called the beloved city throughout the Bible. So this scenario is, just to put it in layman's terms, after Armageddon, Satan is bound for a thousand years, and so that he will deceive the nations

no longer. Once that thousand year reign is over, he'll be released for this short period of time, and he will surround what's called the camp of the saints in Jerusalem, where Jesus, is reigning. This is the, Jesus is raining from physical Jerusalem in the Middle East. We'll talk about where some people say it is where it's not, but it is in the seat of David. That's where it is, Jerusalem in Israel. And there's a camp of saints. These resurrected people who we just read about, they are there. And Satan is deceiving the nations. He has one job and one job only during this period of time. He is deceiving the nations specifically, not a general deception. He is specifically deceiving them to battle against this camp of saints.

So in order for the little season to be real, in order for us to be in it, two things have to be in place. Number one, there has to be a camp of saints in Jerusalem. Again, millions, if not more, of resurrected believers in supernatural bodies, just the same body that Jesus had when he resurrected. When Jesus resurrected, he could appear and disappear at will. He occupied higher dimensions. He could enter and leave room. without using a door or a window.

And some scientist friends I talked to about this, said that he, that means Jesus would have to occupy at least seven dimensions. We occupy three special dimensions now. So they are supernatural and they have to be in Jerusalem, number one. And number two, Satan has to be actively deceiving all the nations of the world to battle against them. If those two things are not in place, we're not in the little season. And we're going to talk about a lot of things during this episode.

We're going to talk about, we're going to talk about history. We're going to talk about Tataria. We're going to talk about interpretations of Matthew 1628, of the Olivet discourse, and who Jesus is referring to when he says, this generation. And those are all the things that the theorists come up with. But none of that matters unless there's a camp of supernatural saints in Jerusalem and Satan actively gathering all the nations to battle against them specifically. If those two things aren't happening, we're not in the little season, period. If they are happening, then we are. So that's really the pertinent question.

Everything else is academic. So I, just like you, I hadn't heard about this thing for this idea, this theory for the last couple years. Then I had some of my followers ask me, hey, do you think we're in this little season? Well, of course not. We're not even, we're still in the church age. We're not, you know, that's my eschatology. I believe that we're in the church age currently. And I kind of dismissed it as you did.

But then I kept getting questions over and over again and people saying, I believe we're in the little season. I believe we are. And but here's the thing. Whenever I would ask them, why do you think we're in the little season? they would always say, well, let me first tell you what they've never said 100% of the time. No one has ever said, Ed, I think we're in the little season because there's a camp of saints of supernatural believers in Jerusalem right now, and Satan is actively gathering all the nations of the world to battle against them. No one ever says that. They always say, well, it's because

we're in a time of great deception, which we are, no doubt about that. We're in a time of great deception. There's great evil going on in the world right now, but that's not what the Bible says. the Bible doesn't say that Satan will be doing random deceptions. He's not going to be, that this Bible does not say that he is putting forth Agenda 2030, or he's trying to make a new world order, or he's doing AI, or he's, all the things that you would say are going on right now in the world. No, this little season, this period of time, is not Satan going wild. It is Satan, I believe, at his most limited, because Satan is limited by what God says he can do,

you know, the restrainer, all those sorts of things. and it says he's only doing one thing, or as my millennial wife would say, he has one job. And that one job is to deceive the nations to gather them against Jerusalem. Yeah, go ahead. So you're saying that you believe that during this little season of time, this little period of time, he's handcuffed versus like now where, you know, he is unleashed and able to do. do whatever he wants. I'm drawing a blank.

I think it's Second Corinthians 4-4 that talks about Satan being the God of this world. Yeah, he's the Elohim of this age. Deceiving people. Right. Yeah, in Peter's epistles, he walks as a warring lion who, you know, deceiving whoever he may. He's seeking whoever he can devour. So just so I understand, like, the thought is that he's only going to be doing one singular mission.

Right. Whereas now he has his hands on a lot of things and just manipulate. Right now, he can't. And let me see one more point. And I'll let you go. And the reason for that is not because God is turning the world over to him, which is part and parcel of what the little season theorist would have you believe is that God has taken a step back.

He's literally abandoned us. Jesus came a thousand years ago. He reigned for a thousand years. And then he, bye. And not only am I leaving you. I'm going to leave you in the hands of your moral enemy to torment you for 300 years. Take it easy. I'll see you on the other side.

But no, the reason that Satan has so much power is not, it has so much influence right now, is not because God wants him to have that influence. It's because he gave us the power to overcome him. Jesus told his followers, which includes us, obviously, in Luke chapter 10, I have given you the power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and nothing will bite those are idioms for demonic entities involved in Elohim. angels, he gave us the power. We just don't use it. And the only way for darkness to have more power is for light to diminish. Darkness is not its own thing. You cannot bring a ball of darkness into a

lit room. You can bring light into a dark room. Darkness is not a thing. Darkness is the absence of light. So if you are wondering why Satan and the fallen angels seem to have so much power now, it's a direct result of the declining influence of the salt and light, which Jesus established with us. So it's our fault as Christians that Satan seems to have so much dominion right now. And we're just not doing our job. But to your point, I love that. Yeah, people always say, well, I don't love that. But I love the fact that you're willing to say that because I agree.

Well, because people say, well, you know, we're at the end times because Satan is growing more powerful. No, we're at the end times because Christians are growing weaker. Thank you. That's the exact reason why we're in the end times. And just to wrap this all up. So yes, we are supposed to be the restraining force right now as the Holy Spirit as he embodies the church, but we're not doing a good job. So that's why he's having more powers. But during the actual little season, he will be extremely limited because, and we'll get into this later, the purpose of that thousand years is a specific purpose.

There's a reason for it. It's not just arbitrary. And he will only be released for the short time for God to prove a point that basically no matter what he does, man will never accept him. And then he's going to make short work of it. One verse I'm going to say right now to the idea that because we're in such a time of deception, that it has to be the little season. I've got a verse for you here in Matthew 2437. As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. We already know it's going to be a great time of deception towards the end before the Son of Man comes to see us.

I don't know how that's being missed right now. I don't know how that's just even being thrown out. Because it's clearly that if we're moving towards the times of Noah again, which was before the deluge, then we're moving towards a time that Jesus is coming back. He clearly says it in Matthew 2437. And to get into the little season and the length of the little season, because we're talking about it being 200 to 300 years. I mean, this is insanity when you think about it.

And to really get into that, we also need to look at some comparative verses. So the little seasons actually used twice in Revelation, but we also have a comparative verse in Joshua 24-7. And when they cried unto the Lord, now this is when the Israelites were in the wilderness for 40 years. This is after the 12 spies went into the promised land, came out, 10 of them said, all the Anakim, the Nephilim, the there, we're scared, we can't go there. So God punishes them, makes them be in the wilderness for 40 years. And when they cried unto the Lord, he put darkness between you and the Egyptians and brought the sea upon them and covered them. And your eyes have seen what I have done in Egypt, and he dwelt in the wilderness. Oh, what, a long season? So long is Rabim in Hebrew, and the root word is Rob, which means much, many, or great. So we have a comparative verse that we can look to and say, this is a long season. This is 40 years. So that's a long season. Biblically is 40 years. So how can we say that a little season is 200 to 300 years? Well, let's get to that. Let's look at the actual little season part of it,

because that's just, it's actually mind-blowing. So we want to also look at Revelation 6 first, because this is where we find the first little season, the verb is the first little season. We'll start with verse nine. And we had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice saying, how long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them, and it was said unto them that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also in their brethren that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. So we've got the context in Revelation.

we have another little season that's talked about. So these are the souls under the altar of those who are beheaded during the time of the tribulation. So God resurrects them. They become part of this sainthood that helps him rule during the thousand years. Well, wait a minute. The seven years of tribulation. That would be probably around three, three and a half years, something like that.

So we've got an idea of what a little season is because God shows us in Revelation 6. So we know what a little season is. So now as we look into the Greek, it is micros for little, and it is of size, hence, stature length, small, little. So we know it's short and brief according to the Greek. So how do we get 200 to 300 years when we have the comparative text in the Hebrew in Joshua that talks about a long season being 40 years. Now we've got two places in Revelation that talk about little season.

We've got the first one that talks about the beheaded saints. That's probably around three, three and a half years. And then we have a little season that shows up with Satan. Well, if we do the math, we're probably looking at about three, three and a half years, something along those lines. Or less. Because, I mean, if at the fifth seal, he says, God says that he will wait for a little season. before I start to avenge you.

Well, technically he starts the avenging at the opening of the seventh seal. So that could be months. I'd say it's a maximum of three and a half. I mean, if you want to be really, really generous, you can say seven. But I think it's going to be a matter of months. It's not going to be decades, certainly not centuries.

But I want to back up a little bit because I want to make sure that we're both passionate about this. And I don't want that passion to come through as anger towards anyone who believes this or anyone who is, who is promoting it. I don't, I have compassion for the people

who are believing this because I believe they're being deceived and I think there's a danger which I'm sure we'll talk about later because when,

as I said, when I've asked anyone, why do you believe this? They'll say, it's because we're in a time of deception. And here's what's happening is that we are,

we are in a world of tremendous, tremendous deception and unspeakable evil, things that are going, wars, genocide, human trafficking, just truly unspeakable

things that we can't even wrap our minds around as human beings with with empathy and emotion. And it really, really looks like Satan is in charge. And it looks like God is taking a step back. And we also live in a world of conspiracies. We know that we've been lied to by our elected officials, by our historians, by academia, by world leaders. So we live in a time of satanic lies, of people lying to us, of religious people lying to us. I mean, you turn on your religious TV shows, which I don't recommend anyone watch, But if you are looking at these shows, you're going to see people in the pulpits telling you all these things about, oh, if you send me money, God's going to send you money.

Now, I'll be in my private jet. You'll still be in poverty, but don't worry. God's going to take care of it. So who do we believe? So we are in this time where we can't believe anything. And as we're all becoming more conspiracy-oriented, we believe we've been lied to. What can we believe? And it looks like, again, it looks like God's abandoned us.

And then along comes this theory that states exactly that. that we have been abandoned, that Jesus came back a thousand plus years ago, set up this perfect kingdom, which I know what we're going to get into, what the kingdom is going to be like, and what the evidence should be if we are post to that kingdom. But it says that, but this theory states that Jesus returned already. Not only that, but he's gone. He left us, and he's left Satan in charge. He's abandoned us. He said, peace out, guys, take it easy. And I'm turning you over to your mortal enemy who desires your demise. And even though that's a horrific and hopeless and truly demoralizing idea,

it fits into the mindset of today. And that's why people believe it. And they are without hope. And my goal is to bring that hope back by letting you know you have not been abandoned by God. I actually want to end this by giving that plea out there. But I want people to understand that I get it. I know why this is so appealing to you.

But what you need to do is make sure you are studying the Bible, not just reading it. When you read the words, you can make them meet anything you want. People have done this all over the throughout time. People are doing it today. People who have absolutely no Christian bent at all will use the Bible to support what they believe. And if you just use the words alone, you can make words meet anything you want. I mean, we talked yesterday privately about Billy Carson, who was an absolute fraud, and who was dismantled by Wes Huff when he ran into a world.

a real scholar who actually knew what they were talking about. He gets destroyed. But people were following him. He was making tons of money just because he spoke with authority and he just used the words of the Bible. And he, God doesn't even understand rudimentary Hebrew. He would say, well, you know, it says in the beginning, Elohim created the heavens in the earth. Elohim is plural. That means that the gods created the heavens in the earth. Well, Billy, if you actually paid attention on day one of Hebrew school, you would have understood that Elohim can be singular or plural based on the context. My point is, if you You can make words mean anything.

That's why, but studying the Bible, you don't just read the words. You don't just read the what, but you also read the why and the how. The why is context. Who's speaking? Who's being spoken to? What is the language being spoken to? The Bible was not written in English. The English language did not exist during the time of Jesus or before.

And what is the vernacular being used? How does it apply to you? So that's the context. And then, though how is doctrine? How does this connect to the bigger picture of God's plan for us? That's why I said before, the Bible is Jehovah's story. It's him revealing himself to us so that we know his methodology. Does this fit into God's plan?

And what is God's plan? It's Eden. The Bible begins and ends with Eden. If you want to know what a character in any novel, what they're like, you look at what they're like at the beginning and the end of the book. I mean, the quick example I'll give you is a book we're probably all familiar with, the Lord of the Rings. The hero of that is a hobbit named Frodo Baggins. What does Frodo Baggins like in the beginning? He's this hobbit living in the shire, living this peaceful agrarian life.

What is he at the end of the book? He's a hobbit living this quiet life in the shire. That's what he wanted. Now, in the middle is all the conflict he went through to get back to that. So if you were to, this is why some people have, including the folks who are talking about what's in the zeitgeist right now in skeptic world is, you know, why would God tell people to kill every man, woman, and child of certain tribes during the venture into the promise? land. Why is God always angry and raining down fire and brimstone? That's who he is in the middle of the

book. If you go to the middle of the Lord of the Rings, what is Frodo doing? He has on armor. He has a sword. He's climbing mountains. He's going on a quest. So if you just look at who he is in the middle of the book, you think, oh, Frodo's an adventurer. He's a, he's a warrior. No, he's not. Who he is is who he is in the beginning of the book. It's the same thing with God. God's plan is for us to dwell with him in Eden, for us to walk and talk with him in the cool of the day. The earth is ours, do what you want with during the day, he told Adam and Eve. In an evening, let's walk and talk and share stories. What happens at the end of the book. New Jerusalem, Tree of Life is back. What do we do? We are our perfect selves. And then we dwell with God. In the middle of the book is who God is based on what we

forced him to become because we keep screwing up. That's why God is angry. That's why God says to kill every man and woman and a child of certain tribes. By the way, all those tribes are Nephilim tribes. God is not wiping out human beings. He's wiping out the Raphaine, the Anakim, the the sons of Anak, of Bashan. If you look at all those tribes, they just happen to be Nevilleam tribes. But the point is that we need to know who God is and know his true character.

And if we know who his character is, and we put that in everything we read in the Bible, and we study it, then we're not going to be deceived. And so the little season only appeals on the surface. I always say the little season theory is a mile wide and an inch deep. if you just go a little bit under the surface, it completely falls apart because it is not biblical. It does not make sense in context and in doctrine.

And when we go over the verses that we're going to be talking about, you will see that once you take them in context, they do not say what the little season people say. And just to wrap this up and I'll let Joel continue is that the little season theory, again, as Joel said, is the idea that we are in this post-millennial period and Satan is in control. but if he is in control, well, then what are you hoping for? There's no hope. If we are in a little season,

the next thing on the eschatological calendar is fire. There's no return of Jesus. Jesus already returned. There's no judgment of evil. That happened a thousand years ago. There's no rapture. All that's already done. The only thing left is for Satan to gather the nations

and then fire comes down from heaven. That's the only thing you're hoping for. That's the only thing you're evangelizing. So, all right, so we're going to pull out that for a second. Sure. So if at the end, it's fire, is there, and if we're in the little season, is there a reason to, as a Christian, be fulfilling the Great Commission at this point? No. Jesus says, to occupy until I come. That word occupy actually means to do my work until I come. If he's already come a thousand years ago and left. Is it possible to even have Christians during this period of time?

There won't be a need for Christians because our job is to spread the gospel of Jesus while he's not here. Well, if Jesus is here, I don't need to spread the gospel. He's in Jerusalem. He's ruling the world. And by the way, if Jesus is currently ruling the world, he's doing a really bad job, which is why it is vital. He's the Lord, not me. Yeah. I'll tell him to why Jesus, you need to make, maybe we don't understand what ruling means because you're not doing a great job of it, which is why it's

part and parcel of the little season theory, not the actual little season that I read about, but the theory, Jesus had to leave because no one, no one will, can convince anyone that Jesus is currently ruling the world from Jerusalem. We know that. He's not there. Isn't there a branch of this theory, though,

that goes into Jesus, he's still here, but hiding it, like the North Pole or something like that? I'll let Joel take that one. I think I'm going to hold that to the end because I've got some crazy stuff to come with that. But, yeah, Yes, that is pardon.

Because I've heard both of you say now that, like, it would mean that Jesus wasn't here or is gone and abandoned us. But I could have sworn I heard somebody say that actually he didn't abandon us. He's still here. He's just hiding or he was hidden away. Right. And the saints are nine feet tall, light beings with halos who went and hid. Do they call themselves spirit guides too? It sounds a lot like it.

Yeah. But I want to touch on what you just said about Jesus. in his reign. I'm going to read some verses, and we're also going to look at the Hebrew and the Greek, because it's very important to, I read your book to Ed. One of the things that Ed talks about a lot

is not just reading the word, but studying the word. It's very easy to cherry-pick verses and make them fit a narrative. And one of the things I've heard, it was very disturbing from several of the people that are pushing this new eschatology is,

don't listen to the other side when they say listen to context. Don't listen to the other side when they're talking about that. Listen, we could take a line out of this podcast recording right now, put it out there and say, listen to what they said they meant this. Well, you missed the first 10 minutes and you miss the last 10 minutes. Yeah, like when you try insulting Jesus a few seconds ago. Right. Yeah, you take down the context. I'm just saying Jesus is a bad ruler. This guy is a heretic. He said Jesus is a bad king. Yeah, out of context. Out of context. You have to understand because the Bible war, meticulously because the Old Testament connects the New Testament, New Testament connects the Old Testament. It's how you are able to decipher what's going on within the scriptures. So I want to look at a few

verses about Jesus's reign. So many of them talk about everlasting, how long. The idea that he would leave isn't scriptural at all. As a matter of fact, when we read Revelation 20, not one. did it ever say he left with the saints? And what's interesting about the Bible when any kind of prophecies being talked about, it's very descriptive. It's very detailed. It's not going to be vague, right? You're going to know what's going on and how it's going to happen. So it would have said he left with the saints and left everybody alone. But he didn't. So there's reasons for that because there are other verses throughout the Bible that are talking prophetically about what's going to happen when Jesus comes back. And I'm going to start with Isaiah 2, 2 through 4. And it shall come to

pass in the last days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains and shall be exalted above the hills. And all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, come ye and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord to the house of the God of Jacob. And he will teach us his ways. And we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion shall go forth. the law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge among the nations. This is during the millennial reign and shall rebut many people. And they shall beat their swords in the plowshares and their spears in a pruning hooks. Nations shall not lift up swords against nation. Neither shall they learn war any more. Anymore in Hebrew is Ode, O-W-D. And that stands for

never more, henceforth, ever. No more. It's not going to happen. So, If that's the case that when Jesus comes and they will not learn more anymore, those people, then it's forevermore. It's not going to happen anymore. We can go to Daniel 24 through 45, where it literally talks about His kingdom shall never be destroyed. In the Hebrew, it's forever, never shall be destroyed, as a matter of fact. The Hebrew is la al-a-a-meem forever, forever lasting, old. That's what it means.

We can go down the line verse after verse, Daniel 4, 3, from generation to generation. Guess what? His kingdom is everlasting. The word is Alam, forever lasting, old. Daniel 434, the same thing, Alam, forever lasting, old. All these are prophetic during the time of the millennial reign. And it's really important that this is talking about the physical kingdom, because some will counter that by saying, well, Jesus rules in our hearts. That's actually the prevailing wisdom. of the Catholic Church. We're going to get into that. But they said, well, Jesus rules in our heart.

And of course, we, the Vatican, we're the Vicarious Christos. We're the figures of Christ. And we are his representatives here. And he rules in our hearts. So that's what that means. But no, this is talking about a physical, the physical kingdom. Physical kingdom. And I can pull the verse for the physical kingdom part two. Revelation 1114. The second woe is past. And behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded. And there was great voices in heaven saying, of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever. So we know it's forever and ever, right? But when we look at the word for world, it's Cosmos. And in the New Testament, when the word cosmos is used, it's talking about system of culture,

value, society, the actual earth, the terra firma. This is what it's talking about here on this earth. It's not a spiritual reign. It's a physical reign. That's for what? Forever and ever. You cannot say that the Bible's lying to you by saying that, oh, that's not what that means. No, it is. It's literally talking about the physical kingdom forever and ever. So if Christ left with the saints and hithel it out to the North Pole or wherever else in some other dimension, I've heard that theory as well, then the Bible's lying through and through multiple times throughout the Bible, the Old Testament and the New because it's all prophetic about this time. So it's absolutely impossible. for this to be happening right now. And that begs the question, well, what about the thousand years? If he's raining forever, why a thousand years? And this is something that I don't go over in my book

because it was not part and parcel of talking about this theory. But I want to make it clear what the point of this thousand years is. Why is this period of time? Why is this thousand years here? Because this thousand years is not heaven. This is not eternity. This is not the New Jerusalem, which we actually see in the next,

the last two verses, excuse me, last two chapters of Revelation. Why is he having this period of time where there is still, where Jesus is ruling over sinful nations? We know they're sinful because I'm sure you, I know you have this verse available, that he's going to rule the nations with a rod of iron, and nations are going to be,

and nations who are disobedient who do not celebrate the feasts, which are commemorative at this point, they will not get rain. So there's punishment happening. So Jesus is ruling for a thousand years over evil, well, sinful people in their fallen state. Why? this gets into doctrine, the overall doctrine of the Bible.

What is God's purpose? What is his will? And I'm not going to use the term dispensation because that has so much baggage attached to it. But I think we can all agree that there have been different eras. I'll call them eras of time where God has dealt with man in different ways. And we know that because he doesn't deal with man today the way he dealt with them before. Like Adam and Eve would have been this first era where they had the treat of the knowledge of good and evil. That was their only rule.

We don't have that rule. we're not being judged by that. Then you have the antediluvian period. We, we aren't, God dealt with people differently then. Then you have the period of the prophet, of Abraham and the patriarchs, where we were, God's rule was through Israel. He said, I will, I will bless them to bless you and curse them, that curse you. Well, we're not under that. Then we have the law. We're not under the law. Jesus came. He fulfilled that. Paul makes that very clear in Galatians and Ephesians. So there are different arrows of time. And why is he dealing with this differently? I believe, and I can back this up with scripture,

that God's purpose is to, he wants us to choose him. That's why he put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in there in Eden in the first place because the question would be, why would God put this poison pill there? Why did he even give them the option?

Because God wants us to love him. In order to love, love is a choice. You have to choose to love someone, but in order to be a choice, you have to have the option of not choosing him. That's the only way. God, he did not make Adam and Eve automaton or the rest of us. But in order for us to love him, we have to choose to love him, which means we have to have the

option to not love him. And he keeps giving us these options of saying, will you choose me? If I give you, if I give you innocence, you don't know good and evil, will you choose me? No. Okay, what if I give you long life to have to amass knowledge? You will live four or five, eight hundred years. Will you choose me? No, we're going to choose a Nepalem and we're going to, and then the flood have.

happens. Okay, what if I shorten your lifespans and give you a single purpose? Will you choose me? No, we're going to build a tower to try to invade heaven. Okay, what if I'll divide you into nations and I will make my own nation and I will deal with you through that nation? What will you do? No, we're going to enslave them for 400 years. Okay, what if I give you my law? I tell you what you can do to please me. Will you do it and have that culminate in me sending my son to embody the law? Will you, will you choose me then? No, we're going to crucify him. Okay. Well, what if, if you would accept my son's death and resurrection, I will live, I'll have my spirit live inside of you and give you moment by moment guidance. Will you accept me then? Well, we're in that period of time now, but the answer is

going to be no. We are not going to, okay, fine. What if I give you everything you claim you want? What do people say they want now? What is, if you talk to someone who is secular and you ask them, why don't you believe in God? They say, well, if there was really a God and he's supposed to be so good and benevolent, Why is there evil in the world? Why does he allow genocide, sex trafficking, rape, murder, so forth and so on? well, why would he do that? Okay. Well, and why is there poverty? Why is there starvation? Why do we have no good government? Okay, what if I give you a thousand years of perfect rule where I will be in your presence? My son will physically be on earth ruling you and judging evil. The problem is if you judge evil, you have to judge evil completely. We talked about this last night. The problem that people have, when they say why doesn't God judge evil? What they really mean is why doesn't God judge those big evils? Again, murder, trafficking, all those sorts of things that very few people do. 99% of us are not starting wars and committing genocides and trafficking human beings. And so we want God to judge those, but here's the problem.

Sin is sin. If God is going to judge sin, he's going to judge not just the big evils, but all evil. So what people are really saying is, why doesn't God judge the big evils that other people do? But if he's going to be just, he has to judge all evils, including the little evils that you and I do. and people are going to hate that and they will rebel finally and so that's why Satan is put away for this time

so we won't deceive the nation so they have no excuse you're going to live under perfection there'll be perfect provision Joe talked about a little bit there's going to be perfect justice perfect provision does no starvation we're going to have longer lives the animal kingdom's going to change

says that the lion will eat straw like an ox the wolf and the lamb will lie down together the world will be filled with the knowledge of God that is in Isaiah and I'm sure Joel has that prepared. So we're going to have everything we say we want. And the question will be, will you still choose me then? Well, let's find out. Let's let Satan out for a short period of time. And what's going to happen? The first chance they get, they're going to rebel. This is interesting. So we go a thousand years under perfect reign and rule where the idea of

evil isn't non-existent, but it's snuffed out fast by a perfect rule. rule of Christ. And and millions of saints who rule and reign with them. So we're going to be regents. That have been given deputized. They've been deputized. Yes. And so it's like I'm trying to draw an example. I can't think of one other than this one, which is a terrible example. So I'm going to say it anyways. It's the idea of like having the perfect vaccine that gets put into the body that actually finds the problem and kills it right away. And so, So we have a thousand years of that where it's like the sin nature, what Paul talks about, the warring within the inner man, that's still there.

But the sin gets snuffed out so fast for a thousand years, constant snuffed out. And then after the thousand years, there's a short period of time where Satan's handcuffs are taken off. And people go from a season of, dare I say, a big season of thousand years where, where God has been, Jesus has been ruling perfectly, and they've seen the power and the majesty of Christ in person, and they're going to be once again faced with who shall you choose, because there's a short period of time where we're talking about war, baby. Is that what we're talking about? That's exactly what we're saying. And this will be the final, again, era of time

where God can finally say, okay, I've tried everything. I've given you everything. And now I can conclusively say that there is no way you will. shoes me outside of my plan. So now I can finally implement my full plan, which is finally judge evil. Everyone has made their choice by this point. So those who have made, that's why the next event is the great white throne judgment. And let me just say this too, because I bet this is an argument that, that for the reason why, actually, I don't know, let me just say this. Let me just say this. Like, the idea that you could have this short period of time where people, would actually choose Satan after being under Christ for a thousand years seems like illogical.

It seems illogical. But we literally have a period of time where Christ walked among us 2,000 years ago and we still pinned him to a cross. Right. And so it's not like humanity has not been here before. And this period of time, which is, it makes no sense. How can you rule for a thousand years of? perfection and people still rebel. Well, Psalms chapter 2, which is millennial.

And I'll quote it for you. Well, I'll give you my slight paraphrasing because I memorized it, but anyway, and this is millennial, I'll explain why it's millennial? And Psalms chapter 2, why do the nations rage and the people imagine a vain or futile thing? Okay, so the people are, the nations are raging. Why are they raging? Why are they doing this?

He says, the kings of the earth take counsel together against the Lord, Adonai, God, and against his anointed, his Mishioch, Jesus. So this is the nation's raging against and taking counsel against God and Jesus. And here's what they say. Let us break their bands asunder and cast their courts away from us. In that original language, that means that they feel confined. They feel like they are under restricted rule by God and Jesus. Okay.

When in the history of the world have the heathen nations been under the restrain, the control of Jesus and God? Only the millennial. So this is a millennium. This is a millennial passage. So that's what's happening. They feel constrained. We can't do what we want to do.

Jesus, we can't be free. I'm not free to shoot on my wife anymore. I'm not free to lie because every time I do anything, there is either you or one of your resurrected weirdos smack me upside the head saying, stop it. I can't do anything. I can't lie. I can't cheat.

I can't steal. I can't do all the fun stuff I used to do before. Jesus, I have no freedom. Then Satan comes along and says, you know what we can overturn it just gather it together let's just just kick jesus out that's crazy because like what you just said you said i have no freedom but like literally is on the tip of my tongue like but there is freedom like you have that freedom in christ that like when you when you find refuge in him those things are not appealing do do you sin of course like you still fall right but like it the

sin nature has been uh greatly changed i don't want to say eradicated but greatly changed right it's it's I see where, like, this whole thing can kind of get, you kind of get lost in the weeds with it. Because there's, there's so much eschatological, eschatological, yeah. Ways to read revelation. And people can't agree on such big ideas. Right. And now we're talking about this one thing that has been, it's almost like this one thing has been zeroed in on and then given a magnet. fine glass and blown up and it's being picked apart and dissected but not through consistent

biblical interpretation like letting the scripture interpret itself because that's kind of what we should be doing but it's it's like taking a biblical perspective and then using the scripture maybe accurately at times but then other times maybe twisting but also there seems to be a lot of like reaching outside the scripture and saying this is why this thing outside the scripture makes sense now because of this. Am I seeing that? Yeah, I want to let Joe go, but I'm going to wrap it up because I want to wrap up what you were just saying about it being an everlasting kingdom.

So just to be very, very clear, this thousand years is not the entirety of Jesus' reign. The thousand years does not frame the reign of Jesus. The thousand years frames Satan's imprisonment. Look in Revelation 20. It just says he is put in prison for a thousand years. That's all it talks about. It's not the entirety of Jesus's reign. So it only frames the period of time that Satan is locked up.

So we're kind of conditioned to be like this or that kind of thing. And after he's, the handcuffs are taken off, it's not this or that. It's both. They're both here. Right. Okay. So to switch gears a little bit, but to jump off what you just said, so trusting the Bible.

And a big thing that's come along since 2015 is the Mandela effect changing the Bible to where. it is now integrated into the little season idea, because why not? If Satan's in total control, why wouldn't he manipulate the Bible? My biggest argument to that initially was, well, why wouldn't he just take out the verses of the little season if he was manipulating the Bible? Because then he could just scrub that out and then you'd never even know. You'd just be in total disarray the entire time. You wouldn't even have anything to point towards, right? So the Mandela effect's very interesting. and the reason why I want to bring it up,

because that would take 8 million episodes to go through the whole thing. But you brought up the part about the animals, and it's important because there's a verse that they use to say that Mandela effects changing this particular verse, and I found it striking whenever I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, why is this first targeted so much?

What is the reason for that? Because when you read this verse, it's very important because this is during the time of the millennial reign, and it represents how the animals will be acting during this time. So to start just with the Mandela Effect in general, just how it started is just a brief start. In 2009, there was a lady named Fiona Broom, and she's a paranormal researcher, and she's been involved with a bunch of very occult things throughout her tenure.

And you can even go to her website, and she even starts out with any answer I give you, you can trust. So if you notice that, even with the little seasoners, they say the same thing, trust us. You can trust us. We're the people you can trust. Don't trust anybody else. You can trust us. And that to me is, and I don't like to use the word a lot, but cultish, I'll say it gets cultish. When you can't allow other discourse to happen and this is the only truth and we're the purveyors of that only truth, then you're going down a real slippery slope because then nobody can even really bring anything else to the table at that point. Before you go any further, this is just more logistical.

When you turn your head to talk to him, can you just bring the mic with you a little bit more? Because I know for fact, it's going to start cutting out. Sure, sure. Sorry. For the sake of the product. She really just starts breaking it down how that the Mandel effect is important. Any critic against it is flawed. She applauds people who are curious about the Mandel effect.

And I've done an episode called the Mandela Project. I encourage people to go check it out. It was the most controversial episode I've ever done, and I thought it was the most benign episode I ever did. But I challenged the Psiop that I think that the Mendel effect is in a lot of ways. And I do think the culmination of it was the Bible being changed. If you can question the Bible being changed, what that point, why even read it? And a matter of fact, there's a mysterious author who wrote a 50, page, and I call it the pamphlet of the Little Season.

He goes by, Jesus said he would. That's all he hides behind a moniker. I've read both books, the one he did about the Mandela Effect and the Little Season. To me, it seemed like somebody put a lot of AI prompts in and then AI created this book, in my opinion. It could be somebody that wrote it, but we don't know who it is. And it's very mysterious that all of the people pushing the Little Season are pushing this pamphlet. I call it a pamphlet because it reminds me of the guys with white shirts and black tides. that knock on your door at 2 o'clock in the afternoon that show up with a pamphlet.

Or just read this little short pamphlet. It'll get you started. Then we can get you to our prophets. And then we'll show you what this means. So that was really interesting when I was going into the idea. But the Mandela Effect book that this mysterious author wrote actually has a chapter that says, should you continue reading the Bible? That was one of the last chapters.

And in that last chapter, he basically says, I don't have a good answer for you. a lot of people that stepped away from the Bible, and that's okay. And I was like, whoa, that is dangerous. If that was in the little season pamphlet thing? No, the guy that wrote the little season pamphlet wrote a Mandela pamphlet. I got you. And then at the end of the book, he ties it into the little season too. I got you. So now we've got the Mandela effect wrote into it. Also to Fiona Broom, which is interesting, she is a descendant of Thomas Cromwell, who Thomas Cromwell was a grandmaster of England in the, in Freemasonry. As a matter of fact, he actually established the invisible cops. during that particular time.

She can even tie her bloodlines into the Knights Templar in the crusades. She just says Crusades, but once I hit Thomas Cromwell, he's tied right into the Knights Templar. So I'm like, wait a minute. And she's also tied in to government agencies. They bring her in for different things. And I started really delving into this years ago. And I said, I think that she was controlled. Like she was brought in to bring in this idea of the Mandel.

effect. And I think the sigh-off is there may have been some things that were going on. Hey, they pulled them off the shelf. They reintroduced something else. And maybe that's how they're doing it. It's as simple as that. Also, I just want to be honest with people. Memories are super faulty. Us three could have a conversation right now and forget it or remember it completely differently all three of us a week from now. Dude, that just happened. We were on a trip. And yeah, it was the last trip we were on. And we had a situation unfold and the police showed up. And you literally were saying how I approached the police and it was actually Ward. And it was like our memories were faulty.

Right. Like it was literally like there was so much going on around that situation that it was like the idea of who approached the police officer was irrelevant to what was actually happening. That was within two hours. Yeah. And you're like, no. I'm like, yeah. And you're like, no. I remember it.

To this day, I remember it was you and everyone else remembered it wasn't. So false memories are real and so is people remembering things the wrong way. It's super easy to do. Well, it is because of the way our minds works. So just as a quick background, my background is in mental health. That's what I majored in college and psychology. And I've done a lot of work in mental health. And one of the things I won't belabor at this point, but one of the things that happens

with the way our brain's work is our unconscious mind is 90% of our brain. People say we only use 10% of our brain. No, we use our entire brain. We're only in conscious control of 10%. of it. Interesting. It's like when you drive a car. You're in conscious control of 10% of that car, the steering wheel, the accelerator, those sorts of things, you know, the radio. But 90% of what's going on in that car is happening without us doing anything. You know, the transmission going, the pistons pumping, the oil going through. All that's happening, 90% of it's going on without

us having anything to do with it. The same thing with our minds. You know, our eye blinking. We don't say blink, blink, blink, blink. Or when you get scared, you don't say, okay, heart start beating faster. Lungs, give me more air. No, that all happens automatically and it's more powerful than us. It's nine times bigger than our conscious brain, so I can't say if I'm scared, heart slow down. Or if I see, you know, someone I'm attracted to, I can't say, okay, pupils don't dilate. No, all that stuff happens automatically in our unconscious. And so our unconscious sees everything, but we can't handle all that consciously. So what happens is our brain fills in the blanks. So one of the big things was the Mandela effect was the skirt that Britain needs.

Spears was wearing in that video she did where she was in the Catholic school girl out. Was it black or was it plaid? Well, it turns out it was black or dark blue. That's what it actually was. That was true. I remember it being black and red. See, well, that's the thing. Here's what happened.

I remember being plaid. What happens is that I'm not a Britney Spears fan. It's not, well, for many reasons. It was not my genre, not my period of time when that came out. But I saw the video because it was ubiquitous, that image of her. Yeah. So I don't have an active memory of it because I, I wasn't focused on it. All I know, she was in a Catholic school girl outfit. I don't remember the details. So my unconscious fills in the blanks. And it says, okay, she was wearing a Catholic school girl outfit. Catholic school girls usually wear plaid skirts. So I'm just going to put that in your mind so I can file this away so you don't have to think about it anymore. So when I think about it again, oh, yeah, she was wearing a plaid skirt. Not because I actually actually remember that, but because it was filed away. That blank space was filed away with a previous memory because, well, when I was in high school, my first girlfriend went to a Catholic.

school and she wore that skirt and God, it was so hot. But anyway, that's not here, just even here and there. Sorry, if my wife is listening to this, long, long, long time ago, baby, long, long, long time ago. Jack, scrub this from the record. Exactly. But that's what she wore and that's my image of a Catholic outfit, a Catholic school girl outfit. So when I see the actual video when she's wearing this dark colored skirt, I'm like, oh, is that Mandela effect? No, that's my brain doing what it was designed to do to fill in the blanks about stuff that is not important. Mandela is a great example of this. When I was in college, Mandela, South Africa was a huge thing. I knew he didn't die. So the whole thing with Mandela Effect, for those who aren't aware, there's people who believe that Mandela died

before he died. And then they see him, then they hear about his actual death. And they say, wait a minute. I remember him dying years ago. Mandela Effect, no. What happened was you weren't paying attention because it wasn't important to you. It was important to me. So I had no inclination that he died before he died. I knew he died exactly when he died. But what happened for people for whom Mandela was a passing story, their brains took what they knew. Number one, Mandela was old.

Two, he had been tortured in prison. Three, we heard from him a lot for a while. Then we didn't hear from him for a long time. Your brain takes all that information, old, tortured. You hurt from him. Now you're not hearing from him. He must be dead. Let's pile that away.

Then he actually dies. And you're like, wait a minute. He died before. No, he didn't. Your brain just filled in the blanks and filed it away so that you don't have to worry about that anymore. That's what's actually happening with the Mandela effect. Okay, so I said, we'll see how things go. Because on that, I just, I would like to pull at that just a little bit here. Sure. We don't have to get lost in it. But so what you're suggesting, and I think that what you're suggesting has a lot to do with there's a there's a this or that situation here, either. he died or he didn't, one of two options. And with that, there's a suggestion that there is, you know, let's just say 50% of people or whatever believe he died. They're all underneath

the same delusional thought. Are there situations with the Mandela effect where it's not just a this or that thing, but there's multiple things that people have come. No, I don't remember that. it was this, but there's like a mass amount of people who are remembering very different specific things. Because that seems kind of weird to me too. It's just a human brain. But like say there's one situation that's truth and there's four other alternate thoughts that people are like, I remember this way, but there's like thousands of people who are remembering it a very specific way and there's four different groups of those people that are not even remembering what the actual fact is. Am I drawing the idea right here?

It does seem like there is a what's going on here kind of thing. Are we all having, like, is there a mass amount of people that are having the same delusion? Like when people go on DMT and they're having an experience where it's replicatable, where individuals we both maybe even did at different times, but we're experiencing the same thing. Is there something similar to that? I don't know. That gets into what Carl Young called the collective unconscious. And while young, we have some,

young have some serious issues. That guy, we could do a whole episode on some of his weird stuff. But we are all connected. We are, when you get a bunch of people together, we tend to sync up mentally. And so, so, yeah, there is a such thing as mass delusion. And when a lot of people believe the same thing in the same area in proximity, we sink up because we're electric.

That's when you get down to it. When you look at atoms under a microscope, well, not a microscope, but subatomic particles, you can't see them under a microscope. scope, but, you know, when you get into quantum physics and things like that, we, there's very little solid, there's very little solid matter. What we consider solid, this table in front of me, this microphone, when you get down to the atomic structure, that, that atom is empty by a rate of 1,000, a ratio of 100,000 to 1. What do I mean by that? If you look at the nucleus of the atom, the protons and neutrons, and then you have the electrons circling around it, it's circling around it at a, a, a distance of 100,000 to 1. Just put it into a framework that people can wrap their minds around. If you were out of football field and if you were to blow up an atom to the size of a nucleus of an atom to the size of, say, the head of a pin,

and you were to go to the 50-yard line and just put a dot right at the 50-yard line, those electrons will be circling through either end zone. So that's a lot of space. If you were to blow it up to the nucleus to the size of a baseball, the electrons will be circling at a seven-mile radius. So most of an atom is nothing. And the electron itself is electric. It's just light. It has no actual weight. And when you get down to the quarks that make up the parts that does have weight,

which is the proton and the neutron, when you get down to the quarks, there are actually vibrations. We talked about this a little bit yesterday about how God's speaking the world into existence because our matter is actually made up with vibrations. So this is an electronic simulation. This is what the world is. It's the holographic universe. You can dive into that if you want to.

my point with that is we can sink up electrically and we in our minds can sink up electrically and we can start to believe the same things if we're in proximity to people who also believe it and that can actually affect that's what a mass amnosis works when you go into certain I'll get on to my Christian brethren on this have you ever been at a church service

and have a sermon and the person who's preaching the sermon the person at the pulpit they'll say something like tap your neighbor and tell them God loves you or tap your neighbor and say, he's going to get you through. You know, that's mass hypnosis. When I saw that, I'm like, I studied this in college. It's a tactile verbal prompt.

You are, some of these preachers are using mass hypnosis techniques on their congregation. When I tap you and then give you a word, I've just attached what I just said to you to a tactile response and your unconscious brain, which we just talked about, is absorbing that. When the album play comes along, give God $1,000 and say, Jesus is going to bless me. Amen. To your point of Carl Young and collective consciousness, and I'm like, I've got a lot of things to say about him because he's definitely a weird dude in a lot of ways. But to collective hypnosis as well, to bring back around Fiona Broom, how it even got into the zeitgeist of the Mandela effect, she was at a conference and she spoke into a room about Mandela dying. most of the people there immediately,

I thought he was dead. Because she said, I thought he was dead. Oh my. I think that that was a sciop to introduce this Mandela effect into the sphere. And we can get into cognitive infiltration and what I deem the cast Sunstein effect. Guys, go check out the episode.

It's the first episode I ever did. And it's the idea that the, government has infiltrated the truth or conspiratorial community since 2009. I found it fascinating. 09 was when the Mandela Effect started. And from that cascade, and Cascades is a very important word when you talk about Cass Sunstein, but the cascades that come through that, you've got what happened in 2012, a ton of stuff happened in 2012. Flat Earth got huge in 2012. You had the mind calendar. All these things happened in 2012. 2015, all of a sudden the Bible's being changed by the Mandel effect.

Tartaria gets huge. And now we've got this little season, which is the culmination of all of it, and it will just suck it right in and say, oh, we can take it because this is part of the deception, the delusion. And to bring it back to what you said earlier about being passionate, because I know I can come off kind of whatever, because I'm just, that's my personality. Sorry, guys. But I am passionate because ultimately I care about people, and I know that they're being deceived. And I know that they're good people. And I know ultimately they want to find answers, but I can't say there's hope. Like, where did hope go away? Where did the hope in Christ go away? It's because you're so far down the rabbit hole and you won't come out. Like, go outside. Like I say on my show, go touch grass,

go talk to some people, interact in the real world because that's the problem. And I think the Mandel effect was very integral early on in 2009 to help create this atmosphere of the conspiratorial world. It was kind of the start of it. Now, Not to start a conspiracy theories because obviously they've been around for a long time, and I've talked about it plenty of times. Man, I was reading conspiratorial books when I was five and six years old. My parents encouraged it. They encouraged you to critically think.

And we know 9-11 was a big catalyst for people to start waking up. I think when they did the numbers, it was 50% of New Yorkers knew that 9-11 wasn't what they told us it was. And that's the reason why Kastin Sunstein wrote his book with Agent Vermeule called conspiracy theories and broke down cognitive infiltration was because of that direct event. So they needed to figure out a way to infiltrate the conspiratorial world and what they decided to do was, hey, you just send in feds or CIA or even better. If you can manipulate one or two to work for you, send them into these chat rooms, send them into a group meeting with these guys. And you just introduce ideas that are completely false, but integrate them into the conspirators. And you're

territorial world, and then you can shift and move them the way you want to. I think it goes deeper, though, on a spiritual level of what these entities are also trying to infiltrate to get our eyes off the word of God. And what better way to do it than say the Mandela effects literally changing the word of God? Don't trust it. Just like that guy said, Jesus kept his word one of the last chapters of the Mandela Effect book. Should you read the Bible or not? Why is that a question as a Christian. And so that's, so the reason why Mandela Effect is relevant in this conversation is one, because it's, it's being directly tied to Little Season theory, the Little Season, Satan's Little Season theory, but also the underlying issue with that as well. So I guess there's multiple

issues here, but the underlying issue is the person you're referring to who is connected, that they're drawing from is also connected to the Mandela Effect and what he said within those, those texts is that he's not even sure people should be reading the Bible. Right. So people who are going down the Satan's little season route, especially like there's people who aren't Christians who are going down the hole and trying to educate people on what they should believe as Christians, but which is backwards. But the Christians that are going down this need to understand that the people that they're

drawing their information from don't even believe that they should. be reading the scripture. Am I understanding that correctly? Correct. Okay. What I'd like to get to, I want to just stay on a topic of what we should be seeing right now if we're actually in this season, because I think it's really important. I just say, get out and touch grass.

So let's look at reality. We can talk about the deceptions and the collective unconscious and Mandela effect and things like that. Those are all vital and very important things. But when I was confronted with this, with this idea. My first thought was, first of all, I dismissed it, but I kept hearing more and more about it. And I said, okay, well, what if I'm wrong? One of the hallmarks of my ministry, faith by reason, is contrastive thinking. Contrastive thinking is, as opposed to comparative thinking,

where you're trying to prove yourself right. Let's try to prove ourselves wrong. And if we can do that, then we can be pretty certain that what we believe is correct. So, so my thought was, okay, if we are, I don't believe we are in the little season, but if we are, I want to know about it, because that's going to change a lot of what I believe about eschatology, my worldview, maybe my relationship with God, which is part of the danger that will probably wrap up with, the dangers of this theory. If it's true, there needs to be evidence of it. And that's what I'm looking for. I want to look for evidence. I want to go out into objective reality and see if reality matches up with what the Bible says is happening during the little season and what

precedes it. So if we are in the little season, then that means that several huge things have already happened. That means that the millennial reign of Christ has already happened, which we've been talking about in detail. Not only that, it means that the Battle of Armageddon has already occurred. It also means the tribulation has already occurred and all the cataclysmic events of the tribulation. Now, if all those things happen, there should be evidence for it. And so my main reason, when people ask me why you don't believe in the little season, I said because there is no evidence. Now, they try to present some, which will go over. But I want to talk about what... The mud flood, melted mountains and all the sorts of things. Okay. But that's my. What does the Bible actually say?

So the, so first of all, here's what would have happened a thousand plus years ago. If you believe in the rapture, then a bunch of people would have disappeared, either pre-mid or post. Some people should have, if the vanish or been instantly changed into supernatural saints. Okay. Is there any documentation of that? Well, let's keep going. The next thing that happens is you have this worldwide ruler come into power, the beast, the Antichrist, the man of lawlessness. He has over 33 titles in the New and Old Testament. He rules the entire world for this period of time. That's not just the Middle East, not just the Mediterranean. He rules the whole world, all nations. In fact, there's only three, in fact, I believe the book of Isaiah says that there are three areas

that escape him, and that's actually Basra, the area of Jordan, and a few other places. But other than that, He rules every place. That means not just Rome, not just North Africa. He should rule India, China, Japan, the Americas. So there should have been evidence of a worldwide ruler a thousand plus years ago. Who forced everyone, first of all, who set himself up to be worshipped as God in the temple of God. So it had to be a temple. And force everyone to get this mark in their right hand or their forehead.

Otherwise, you cannot buy yourself. There should be evidence of that. Then you have the judgments. I'm not going to go through all of the judge. of Revelation. We could be here all day on that, but let's talk about some of them which would have left evidence. There are two tremendous earthquakes that happen. The first earthquake happens at the sixth seal, which happens either at the beginning of the tribulation or shortly before it. In that earthquake, in the six seals open, it says that every mountain and island is moved

out of its place. That is extraordinary tectonic activity. But that's not even the biggest earthquake. At the end of this period, right before the Armageddon, which a thousand plus years, thousand and seven years ago, at least, there was an earthquake that was so great that it says mountains and islands were no longer found. They're gone. Well, there's a problem with that. We still have mountains and islands. I always say when I'm on my podcast that there's a mountain writer. I look out of my window. I live at the foot of a huge mountain. It's still there. I'm an active scuba diver. I've been to many islands in the Caribbean. They're still there. My family, last year, we vacationed in Hawaii. So why are there islands and mountains still here? And there,

in one of the trumpet blasts, the third of the seas turned, and rivers turned to blood. Then during the bowls of wrath, it says all the seas turned to blood like the blood of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea dies. That is an extinction level event.

There should be fossil records of that. There should be some type of evidence that everything in the sea died. Where is that evidence? We still have islands and mountains. We have no evidence of this massive die-off. There's no tectonic evidence. I have in my book quotes from the U.S. Geological Survey.

There is no evidence of any. These would have been the biggest earthquakes in the history of the world. There is no evidence for them. Jesus said in Matthew chapter 24, the Olivet discourse, he describes this period of time as worse than any other time that's ever existed. That includes the flood during the antediluvian period, the flood of Noah, which had massive, measurable changes that we can see, the Grand Canyon. There are, and not only is, and we can think of all the other massive geological evidence that there was a massive flood.

No one even denies that. They deny that it was the biblical flood, but you can't deny that a flood happened. And there's also historic records of it. Every ancient civilization has a story of a great deluge. There is massive evidence of that, but you want to tell me that there is no evidence of these cataclysms that were worse than that? Would they, because we're talking about all these things happening, during tribulation period leading up to the thousand-year rule of Christ, what is the pushback on that? I mean, I'm sure they have some kind of thoughts on why.

Yeah, well, they do have some thoughts, but their thoughts are never comprehensive. They'll say some, well, they'll say, well, there's, of course, there's plenty of evidence. There's a melted mountain over here. There's some melted buildings happening over there. Okay, well, the Bible doesn't say mountains are going to melt and says they're going to be gone. and they're not, they don't go by being melted. They go away by being shaken. That's when an earthquake does. I live in California.

I've been a part of many of them. That's a shaking. Shaking something and melting it are two entirely different things. So the Bible doesn't say that. I've had another person counter it by saying, well, you know, in one of the trumpet judgments, it says that, you know, a third of the trees are burned up and all green grass are burnt up.

And they'll say, well, the Sahara Desert shows that. The third of the earth is desert. So that must mean that that shows it all green grass. That means that the green grass burned up. Well, first of all, that just shows you haven't read it because it doesn't say a third of green grass is burned up. It says all green grass is burned up all over the world, which means the entire world should be a desert by that logic. It says a third of the trees are burned up. So you have to get that correct.

And secondly, burning vegetation does not cause desertification. I know that. Again, I live in Northern California. We had a huge, we have fires all the time, but we had a huge fire in 2020. that burned an area very near me. I could actually see the mountains, the hills on fire from my home. Thankfully, it didn't cross the river. That's between my home and those hills.

But if you go to those same hills now, there's grass there. You know why? Because grass grows back. That's what grass does. And somebody becoming a desert isn't just because vegetation burns. Deserts require massive environmental changes. Furthermore, there are maps of the Sahara Desert. I actually have them in my book that form of photography during the time of the Persian Empire, over 400 years before the first advent of Jesus.

And guess what's on that map? The Sahara Desert. It didn't just happen during a tribulation which happened post the first advent of Jesus. So those are some of the ideas that they talk about some random cataclysms or they'll try to fit some earthly cataclysms into what the Revelation says and it just doesn't fit. Could they, could they, because like we've already established that it's not that Jesus is gone and Satan's ruling. But if that's what they think, could they go down the road of thinking that it's all happened, but Satan has created a manipulation of the creation to, to hide what has already been done? So you all the technique. They just sprinkled seasoning on it and say, it's a time of deception.

Satan did it. Right. That just can't be the trump card for everything. That just can't be what you give. And I want to read the verse because we talk about melted hills. This is the one they cherry pick out. Okay. That literally has nothing to do with that.

So they go to Psalm 975. The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord, the whole earth. So that's the word, that's the verse that they use to say that meltology is a real thing. The problem is if you're going to cherry pick that verse out, why aren't all these mountains melted? Why isn't everything melted? It doesn't make a lot of sense.

And I just want to bring back in proofs, right? Yeah. Physically in the world. And it's going to look me back around to the Mandela Effect, but we're going to shift right into the proofs. The verse that they put at the forefront of the Mandela Effect changing is Isaiah 116. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb and the leopard shall lie down with the kid and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together and the little child shall lead them. So a lot of people will remember the line laying with the lion.

lamb, I can give you a really good reason for that. Iconography. It's super easy because, one, the wolf is not going to look good on stained glass images because the wolf throughout history has been connected to the occult, has been connected to evil. And when you walk in a church, you don't want to see a wolf and a lamb together. It makes no sense. And when you see people writing beautiful poems and all that, they always put the lion with the lamb. But I mean, that's not even it. Revelation 5 literally talks about Jesus being simultaneously the lion and the lamb. So that's another way that the brain can remember something that's not actually there, right? But there's a deeper meaning to that verse. That verse is talking about during the millennial reign,

the wolf laying with the lamb, the lion eating grass. Where is the proof of fossils of lions with grass inside of them. All these animals living in a harmonious lifestyle for a thousand years. We have none of that. And you can't just give me Satan hit it all. That just doesn't work. And why aren't lions eating straw now? You go to a zoo. I've seen lions being fit. They're not throwing them a bale of hay. They're throwing them meat. But apparently, but their excuse is well, when Jesus left, he undid all of this with no biblical proof. But that's the thing. Why would we do that? Reasons. There is no reason.

I've got the rebuttal for that. Revelation 513, and every creature which is in heaven known on the earth and under the earth and such are in the sea and all that are in them, heard I saying blessing and honor and glory. They're worshiping God, the animals, all of them worshiping God. And power be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and unto the lamb forever and ever. And we can keep going, Josea 218. And in that day, will I make a covenant for them with the beast of the field and with the fowls of heaven and with the creeping things of the ground. and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth and will make them to lie down safely. So this is, again, telling what's going to happen during the forever reign of Jesus,

not that it ends after a thousand years. The forever reign animals should still be acting that way. Why would he revert then God's a liar? Because he's saying he's going to do this forever and ever. They're going to worship him. What he just reneged on it after a thousand years? Basically, it makes no sense. So basically not only did Jesus abandon us after this thousand year reign, he undid all the cool stuff that made the earth such a utopia.

He said, okay, Lions, sorry, you're going to be carnivores again. Folks who live for a long time, you know, I can live because it says, you know, that a child shall die 100 years old. So if someone is 100 years old and they die, they're going to say, oh, that poor kid, never had a chance to live. So what it appears is that during the millennium, we're going back to the antediluvian style. because remember during the meat was not eaten until after the flood. That's when God commanded Noah, you have to, you got started eating meat again. It looks like we're going back to that antedluvian period, long lives, everyone being vegetarian or vegan, which will make them annoying because, you know, vegans are annoying.

There's nothing of vegan loves more than telling you they're a vegan. I have a joke that I can tell if someone is a vegan from New York or an atheist within one minute of talking to them. Why? Because they will tell you. In a minute I'm talking to them. I'm from New York. I'm a vegan. I'm an atheist.

Even if you don't care. There's my joke there. But the point is that that's apparently when Jesus left, he took all his cool toys with him. And all of these, we'll talk about these Tatarian buildings, all the magic of those, all the healing. Because I've been inside these buildings. I don't feel any different. Nothing healed me. Oh, well, Satan broke all the bells and jacked up all the organs that would heal people.

Okay. Sure. Why not? Everything is Satan. But the point is that's what they say. When you ask them, why aren't these things like they were supposed to be in the millennium? Well, Jesus undid it all. When he left, he just, or went to the North Pole or went to his other dimension.

He said, not only am I leaving you, I'm taking away all the great things I did for you. What does that say about the character of Jesus that that actually happened? You're not going to live long anymore. Why aren't we living long? Why aren't these things happening? Just to understand with that, the fact that Jesus took it all back when he left, they don't have any biblical reason for that thought. It's just something that they are plugging in to make it make sense.

As Joel said, it contradicts Daniel chapter 4, Daniel chapter 7, 1st Peter chapter 1, when Peter himself says the exact same thing. He calls it an everlasting kingdom. And it means the same thing in Greek as it did in a Hebrew that Joel just talked about. It means without end, meaning that whenever Jesus returns, he ain't leaving. He's not going to take a half-time break. And he said, I've lived for a thousand years. Let me go into a locker room and get a rub down. Satan, you're in. No. When he comes, he's never leaving, meaning that if Jesus came back a thousand years ago, he would still be here along with his

camp of the saints. And the only reason that the little season theorists say that he left is because their theory doesn't work if he's still here. So that's a matter of, instead of, instead of, trying to make your theory fit the Bible. They're trying to make the Bible fit their theory, and that is very dangerous because it elevates your theory above the Bible. It makes your theory the Rosetta Stone that everything else has to conform to. The Bible has to conform to it. Reality and history have to conform to it.

And anything that doesn't, we change it. History doesn't fit the little season? Well, that history's wrong. The Bible doesn't fit the little season. Well, that means either the Bible has been changed or you don't understand it. That is very, very dangerous when you elevate your theory above the word of God. So if that's happening and they're elevating their theory above the word of God, let's maybe, and we can go anywhere, but I would like to maybe try to pull at that as to the why.

So like because, and I'm not talking about the people who aren't Christians that are doing this, but the ones that are the Christians doing this, there's got to be a reason why they are maybe not even intentionally, but elevating their theory above the word of God. And it's more than likely to make sense of the world that they're living in. Yes. And so if what they're doing, what you said they're doing is what they're doing, and it's because they're trying to make sense of this fallen state we're living in and trying to understand it all, how should they reverse this then?

I'm going to give the reason. then I'll let Joel give the scripture, because I'm sure you have them up. The reason that they adhere so heavily and are so ardent about it is the same reason that people who take a certain view of the rapture, either pre-mit or post, the reason that they dig in their heels and they choose the one and ignore all the other ones that don't agree with them

is because they believe they have scripture to back them up. They don't intentionally, they aren't saying, I'm going to elevate this theory above the Word of God. They believe that their theory is the Word of God. What they do, they cherry pick some verses, just like Joel said, and they just cling on to those, and they say, well, this verse is true, and that every other verse that argues against it, either someone has misinterpreted it or it's incorrect in some way. And so the verse they cling to. This is their, every, I have never met a little season theorist, whether I've debated them or dealt with them in my comment section who have not. use this verse. And once I heard them use this verse, I understood where they came from. This is the

verse that preteris use all the time. I'm not saying that everyone who believes in the little series season is a preterist, but there's roots of preterism in it, which I'm sure we'll get to when we get to the sci up that's all around it. They always use Matthew, excuse, they always use Matthew 1628, where Jesus says, there are some of you standing here who will not taste death until they see the son of man coming in his kingdom. These are the words of Jesus. And they, They interpret that as saying, Jesus has to return during the lifetime of the people standing there in the first century, meaning that he had to have returned in the first century. These are the words of Jesus. Jesus cannot lie.

Therefore, if Jesus says, I'm returning during the first century, then Jesus has to return during the first century. All other evidence be damned. Sorry, forgive the language. But that's basically what they're saying. So that's why, if any time I give them other reasons, the mountains and islands, the extinction, level events. Antichrist, we have to fit it in because Jesus said this. And if our interpretation of Matthew 1628 is correct, then everything has to fit into that. The problem is they have totally misinterpreted that and there are many reasons for it. And I'll, I have my reasons. I'll let

Joel chime in. Well, the issue is, for one, I know over a hundred times temp verses they've gone through when they misuse the pronouns that Jesus is using when he speak into people. As a matter of fact, they use the apostles and the pronouns they use and they'll highlight these, are we, this generation. They love using that too. And they'll say that this is what he meant here. Well, when you're looking at it in the Greek and the colonized Greek and you're thinking about Jesus as a teacher, and I use this analogy. And say you're a teacher and you're teaching a class and you're talking about a generation and say you were mapping out something on a board behind you. And you said, this generation, you're mapping out like this generation. You're not pointing to them saying

this generation. Why would you say that? Why would you look at somebody? Why would I look at you and say this generation? You're like, why are you pointing at me like that? That's not the context that it's being used in. And when you look at the framework of the scripture around it, you can understand that that's what he meant. Another one's Romans 13, 11 through 12. So, and that knowing the time that is now high time to awake out of sleep for now our salvation near than when we believed the night as far spent the days at hand, let us therefore cast off the works of darkness and let us put on the armor of light. So according to little seasonist, Paul was speaking to his generation. He was saying that the hour's night, it's about to happen. It's going to happen.

But again, that's not looking at the context. He's talking about the framework of Christians. That's what he's talking about. But here, let me flip something real quick, because I know you've got some verses too here. But let me give a different flip to the context. Let's look at some other verses that have nothing to do with the little season. And let's say if they're applicable to us, because these people are talking to those people in that generation. Let's look at Paul when he's talking to Timothy in 2 Timothy 315 through 17. He's locked up, by the way. He's sending letters to Timothy. And that from a child that has known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make the wise into salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration

of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction, and righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect through furnished unto all good works. Well, he's talking to Timothy. That's got nothing to do with me. Why would I listen to that? You see, we can go down the line. We can look at 2. Thessalonians 2.13, but we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren, beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the spirit and belief of truth. Well, I don't need to worry about salvation through sanctification of the spirit. That was Paul speaking to the people in Thessalonica. Why would I need to do that? Right. And to be fair, there are times in the synoptic

gospels where Jesus is speaking to that generation, but he's speaking in the present tense. We have to Look at the language. Now, he's saying, you know, this generation, he's talking to the Pharisees, and he's speaking in present tense. In Matthew 24, which is the Olivet discourse, Jesus is speaking future tense. The disciples asked him two questions about the future. They ask him, when will these things be? Jesus had just prophesied the destruction of the temple. When will these things be?

That's question number one. And number two is, what will be the sign of your coming, second coming, and the end of the age? They're asking about the kingdom. And Jesus speaks in future tense because they ask some questions about the future. So when he is saying this generation, he is speaking in a future tense. It's like if I were to walk into a bar tonight and I say, you know what, I'm buying everyone in here a drink. Well, I'm talking to the people there.

And I say I have a really good time and say, you know what? I love this area. I love coming here to Tennessee. I'm going to come back here in a year and I'm going to buy everyone in here a drink. Am I talking to the same group of people? No, because I'm speaking in the future tense. Now let's break down this key verse, Matthew 1628, because they to a man or woman always use this verse. There are some standing here today who will not taste death or who will live to see me coming in my kingdom.

Let's look at the actual words. That word coming can also mean appearing. And I think that is actually in context. He's saying appearing in my kingdom. Remember, the Bible was not written in English. English language did not exist. That verse in Matthew was written in Greek. Greek, that word kingdom is Basilea.

Basilea does not mean a physical kingdom. How do I know this? Because I looked it up. It says in the concordance, number one definition, not a literal kingdom. It says that. In fact, on a video that I did on this, I took a screenshot and circled it. It says not a literal kingdom. What it actually means, it means glory, majesty, authority.

Jesus is saying there's some of you standing here who will live to see me appear in my royal authority, glory, and majesty. context. What is Jesus talking about in Matthew 16? Well, in this portion, he is not talking about his second coming. We have to keep that in context. So if he is not talking about his second coming, why would we ascribe it to that? Jesus is actually talking about the Christian life. This passage begins with that famous verse, if any man will come after me or follow, he must take up his cross and follow me. He's talking about the difficulty of the Christian life. The next thing he says, is that, he says, you'll have a difficult life, but he says, you'll be rewarded. He says, when I stand next to my father, I will give you your reward.

And because I have the authority to give you that reward. So Jesus is saying three things. The Christian life will be difficult, but you will be rewarded for things, actually. I have the authority to give you that reward, and there are some of you standing here today who will see me appear in that royal authority. And what happens? Six days later, three of them go to the top of the mountain, they were at the bottom of Mount Bashanamo, on, he clanged to the top, and Jesus is transfigured before them. And he's showing, he showed, he's in his glory. And so that's what happens. Jesus says there are some of you standing here who

will live to see him in my royal authority. And then six days later, some of the people standing there see him in his royal authority and majesty. And the little season people know this. And they, they try to debunk it by saying, oh, no, that's not what he meant. It wasn't, it wasn't out that, it wasn't the transfiguration. No, what he really meant is that they're going, that they will live to see him appear in or around 70 AD. We'll get. I know we'll get to 70 AD. And when I've had debates with folks, we go back and forth on this,

and they'll say, it was no, it's not the Transfiguration. And I'll say, well, of course it is. That makes more sense. Occam's Razor. The most, the simplest explanation is usually the best. You're going to see me appear in my royal authority and glory and majesty. Six days later, some of them see that.

Well, you don't believe me. I don't believe you. But neither of us were there. Would you believe? What if someone who was there appeared before us right now and was on my side? Would you believe them? Say if the Apostle Peter were to come here right now and say, No, no, it's right.

It was a transfiguration. Would you believe? Well, sure, we believe that. We believe that. Great. Let's talk about what happened at the Mount of Transfiguration. Again, Jesus took three of his disciples, including Peter. They go up to them, they climb the Mount of Transfiguration.

He's transfigured before them. He appears in his glory. His face shines like the sun. Moses and Elijah appear with him. Then Peter blurts out, you know, Lord is good for us to be here. And then the voice of God comes out of the clouds and says, this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him. Great. Let's go to 1st Peter, and I don't have this in front of me, so I'll be doing it from memory, but you can look at up.

First Peter, I'm sorry, excuse me, second Peter chapter one, starting at verse 16, where Peter says, he's talking about, I was an eyewitness to the coming of Jesus. You have not entertained, you know, vain fables. I was an eyewitness to the coming of Jesus. Same phrase. And then he says that, that he was an eyewitness to it when I heard the voice of God from the clouds saying, this is my beloved son and whom I am well pleased on his holy mountain. The Apostle Peter is relating the coming of Jesus, his appearing in His majesty to the Transfiguration.

So maybe you don't believe me when I say as a transfiguration, but wouldn't you believe the Apostle Peter who was an eyewitness when he was standing there? he, Peter himself, it's almost as if the Holy Spirit anticipated this happening and he has an eyewitness directly relate that coming of Jesus to, in coming of Jesus in His Majesty, which Peter said I was an eyewitness of past tense. 7080 hasn't happened yet. Peter relates that exact event to the transfiguration. If you look at that verse, starting from 16 through 18 of 2 Peter chapter 1. So that is a counter argument to it, and I've never heard any of them address that, ever, because that's not what happened. But because they wanted to be true so badly, they have to rearrange everything to make it true. Those are not, well, that's not what Peter meant. Okay, that's not what Peter meant.

Why do you believe it's not what Peter meant? Do you believe it because you have a better interpretation, or is it because you don't want your theory to be wrong? But this generation, Jesus speaking future tense, why don't you believe that? Do you not believe it because Jesus wasn't speaking future tense? Or do you not believe it because your theory would be wrong if that's what Jesus meant? What's more important to you? The Bible or your theory? Right.

Yeah. And that's kind of a situation that I think, well, I know I had to walk down as well at some point with all the stuff that I do. I felt like I started getting too caught up in the sauce of it and not the actual, uh, creator and savior. And I had to kind of like look back and say, what am I actually interested in here? And why am I interested in it, right? You guys, you've brought up two different things that I want to make sure we hit on because you said, we'll hit on it later. And I also know that we don't have later forever.

And so AD 70. 8070, but also I do want to make sure we hit on the Tartaria idea as well. We're going to part of this 8070. So I want to pass it to it. him. I'll jump in when it's Josephus time because I've got a lot of good stuff with Josephus with this. And then I also want to touch on Antole

Antoley Famico. So before we get into it, are you, because I don't want to forget this, I do know that there was talk that the historians wrote of what they saw coming into clouds. Is that what you're going with?

We're going to get over Joseph's. I want to make sure we hate on that because I think that while I just think knowing that that's an argument, it should be definitely hit on. Okay, so let's start with 70 AD. And why do they, why is it the idea that Jesus returned in or around 70 AD? If 70 AD was the siege of Jerusalem,

it could have gone as long as 76 AD. So I want to be fair. It happened somewhere between 65 and 76 AD, give or take, in that range. So why? Well, again, their key verse is Jesus had to have returned during the lifetime of his disciples. That means in the first century.

That means that everything that happened, all the events of the tribulation, the Armageddon, all the persecutions, all the judgments, also they have to wedge that into the first century. Well, the problem is there's nothing that clearly happened in the first century that was ever documented of the judgments of the tribulation, of an antichrist ruling the world, of any of these things. There's no evidence of it. But the closest they could come up with is 70 AD, because that was the end of the Roman Jewish war. and the siege of Jerusalem, which was brutal, by the way.

The Romans, again, so a little history, 70 AD, why was the Roman Jewish War happened? Well, the Jews were always really rebellious against the Roman Empire because they wanted their Messiah to come and overturn them. And Israel itself was in a backwater of the Roman Empire. It was not a main area. It was actually a buffer state between the Roman Empire and the Parthian Empire to the East, which was primarily Persia. Rome was never able to conquer them. Israel was a buffer state. And so whenever the Israelites of the Jews would rebel, they would have to march all their Roman legion down there, put down the revolt, and then march back.

And finally, an emperor by the name of Vespasian, not Nero, who they claim was the Antichrist, but Vespasian sent his son Titus and several Roman legions to put the Jews down once in for all. They were just sick of it. So they formed the siege of Jerusalem. They have the Roman Jewish War, and they completely level Jerusalem. They raise it to the ground. it was brutal. They would have the Roman soldiers would have wages on how many Jewish babies

they could fit on the end of a sword. Just terrible time. And again, they burned the temple to the ground. And because there was gold inlaid in the temple, they broke all the stones apart to get the gold, which is fulfilling the prophecy of Jesus, and not one stone will be left upon another. That was a fulfillment of that.

That was definitely a time of Israel's trouble with tribulation. They say, hey, wait a minute. Now the tribulation is called the time of Jacob or Israel's trouble. This was a time of trouble in the first century. This must have been it. So let's wedge everything about revelation into this period of time. So the Antichrist had to be the Roman emperor, Vespasian. The armies of Armageddon, well, those are the Roman armies. And, well, the desecration, the abomination of desolation, which Jesus spoke about and Daniel spoke about. Well, that must have been when the temple was destroyed. It has to be. Well, and even if you say, well, the Spatian never went into the temple and claimed that he was God.

Well, maybe not, but that's still the abomination of desolation. So they have to wedge all of it in there. And they look for certain proofs. And one of the proofs that they claim to, that they claim is where in Josephus, who was the Jewish, he was Jewish, but he was the official chronicler of, of Jewish history for the Romans. And he talked about during the Roman Jewish War, there were reports of chariots running back and forth in the clouds around 67 AD.

Well, there's a couple of problems with that. First of all, 67 AD is do a little math. That's before 70 AD. And what were they doing running back and forth in the clouds? War games? Were they getting ready for the coming of Armageddon? That doesn't make sense either. And Joseph, Josephus never saw these chariots.

He's reporting what other people saw. And these people did not relate these chariots going back and forth in the clouds to the return of Jesus. Just the opposite. They saw these chariots going back and forth in the interest. Josephus wrote this as an omen that they were going to lose the war, which they did. And this is huge. Because Rome won the Roman Jewish war. They raised Jerusalem to the ground. They destroyed everything. And then as a final insult, they literally wiped Israel off the map. They renamed it. They renamed Israel after the ancient enemies of the Israelites, the Philistines. That word Philistine in Latin is

Palestine. They renamed that area of Palestine. That's where we get the word Palestine. to this day. So the fact that area is still called Palestine, and it was called Palestine until 1948, proves that Rome won the war. That's a big problem, because if Rome won the war and that war was Armageddon, then that means Jesus lost. That kind of contradicts the Bible, just a teeny tiny bit. How could Rome have won the siege of Jerusalem if that was Armageddon? And the Bible clearly says that Jesus wins that war pretty dramatically. Both of those things can't be true, and that's a huge problem. And that's why the little season people, they stop quoting Josephus at the chariots in the sky. They never keep going. Go ahead. Keep your thought for a second.

I just want to say something. So Josephus says that about the clouds and the chariots. If I understand, he's not the only one that has said that. You're saying Josephus has, it wasn't even the one who said that he saw it. He was reporting. Therefore, other historical, could be doing the same thing in my mind. I'm trying to make sense of this, like reporting what was seen, but also

I know this as well, there were and I think one of the other historians referenced, it starts with the T, I always want to say Titus, but it's not Titus. It's, but they did compete with each other

and they would, they would make up things, and they would often disagree with each other to make their own point, but also agree on convenient things to make their own point, even though they're conflict with one another. And Josephus and Tachshivus and Tegas.

Yeah. So those two, I know, did feud with one another. And I don't think they lived in the same time. I think Jocephas was a little earlier. If I remember, Craig, this is all at the top of my head from a couple years ago, because I went down the ancient historian historic dog man round. I'm bringing a dog man during this episode,

but they, what I learned was that they, they, they, there was this like competition amongst the historians, amongst those two specifically. And, and one of the things that was agreed upon was these dog-headed people.

And it just, what I'm trying to say, I guess, There's this underlying agenda with historians that even they seem to take convenient truths to be able to offer what they're trying to relay. And to take that as the foundational piece of an argument is kind of hard. Yeah, Josephus was the official historical documentarian. So I would put his documentation above anyone else's.

They may have borrowed something from him. But he is the one who. Official to who? Rome, made to the official chronicler of the Jews. Of the Jews? Yeah, no one wanted that job. Did you, again, as I said, Israel was a backwater, and Josephus was given that role.

Okay. Yeah, he was a slave, too. Yes, yeah, he was a slave. So to get to that, I actually own. Wait, who is the slave, Josephus? Yes. Okay. So I actually own the complete works of Josephus at the house.

I go to him all the time, specifically when it goes to things in the Old Testament, and that's very important here too because I thought of something as I was going through this interesting story of not what he saw but what he heard from other people that they saw

and it starts with a star resembling a sword that hangs in the sky for a year and then it goes to these chariots and troops in their armor are running around in the clouds surrounding of cities. Again, he states it clearly that he didn't see it,

he just heard of it. I thought of it. about something, though, after that, because literally after that, book six goes on for five more chapters, and there's an entire book seven with 11 chapters, and literally nothing resembling a rapture of people missing, anything remotely that would be the destruction of revelation. For a guy who's chronicling the history of the Jews, seems like he missed a whole lot there, and it just seems like, again, these two passages that seem weird get pulled out, and then they make an entire theology around it. It gets better, though. So another thing I know a lot about Josephus

when he talks about the Old Testament, talked a lot about giants. A lot about giants, as a matter of fact, made me think of what I brought up earlier with Matthew 2437, as it was in the days of Noah, so it would be in the coming of the son of man. So why was he talking about giants leading up to this time or some sort of hybrids or Nephilim or something? If we're getting towards this time of the end times, you think things would have been really ramped up to the point he's just, he can't stop. I mean, there's lines where these kings

had laid waste all of Syria and overthrown the offspring of the giants and when they were come over against Sodom, that's just one line of many where he was talking about giants all through his Old Testament chronologies. So I really started putting that together. He missed a lot. He really wasn't that good then.

You know, one, you know, one other thing he missed, Joel, the second coming. Wouldn't you think somebody might have wanted to jot that down? The greatest event in human history where the co-creator of the universe, Jesus, comes down in his majesty and speaks words and everyone dies, wouldn't Joseph say, hey, you know, this might be something worth chronicling. Why is there nothing there about that? And last, and I'll make one last point, because everything we know about the little season,

Revelation chapter 20, everything we know about the, not everything we know about the tribulation. There's tons about the tribulation in the old. Testament in the so-called minor prophets. But a lot of our detail comes from the book of Revelation by the Apostle John who speaks about these things in the future tense. The problem is, Revelation was written in 95 AD, 25 years after the siege of Jerusalem. It's the youngest book in the Bible, right? How could he... It's the youngest book in the Bible, correct? Revelation? Yeah. Like, it's the most recent to our time. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes. It's the most recent to our time. Why would he be speaking about events in the past using the future tense saying

these things will happen? That doesn't make any sense. Now, the counter argument by the preterists and by the folks who trumpet the little season is that, oh, no, well, we should have the dates wrong. John actually wrote it in the 60s, AD. Big problem with that. How about an eyewitness? What does an eyewitness say? Aranaeus, who was the disciple of Polycarp, who was the disciple of John. He knew John shortly before his death. He would actually talk to him. He would see John sitting under a tree as he was, you know, in his last few days. And they spoke.

They knew each other. Iranaeus says against prophecy, against heresies, excuse me, his book, which you can read anytime you want, that John wrote in the book of Revelation during the reign of the Roman Empire Declation. Decletian reign from 81 AD to 96 AD. So why would someone who knows John? say that he wrote the book during the reign of declition if depletion reigned after the siege of Jerusalem

that doesn't make any sense it doesn't because that's not when John wrote Revelation when he saw when he saw those visions those happened to him when on Patmas in the 90s AD long after the siege of Jerusalem and he speaks of it all future tense all the church fathers in the

second and third centuries none of them said hey Jesus is here no origin Augustine If from the Syrian, you name all these church fathers, wouldn't you think they would say something about being under the reign of Jesus? They would have been under that thousand-year reign if he had just started, if it had just begun, it would only be a few hundred years old. He would still be in the prime of the millennial kingdom. They write nothing about it. In fact, they talk about the end times in future tense.

Iranaus talks about the rapture in future tense. If even the Syrian speaks about the rapture, future tense, meaning that, and they believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. whether you believe it or not is irrelevant, they believed it, and they have a future sense. So if they're talking about an event before the tribulation happening in the future, 100 to 200 years after the siege of Jerusalem, and they're expecting it to happen in the future, then clearly it didn't happen in the past unless you believe they're all lying, or, of course, Satan doctored all the records. Because as I joke in one of my videos, if there was a mascot for the little season,

it would be Dana Carvey's character from Saturday Night Live back in the 80s, the church lady, because every time something will go, go, wrong, she would say, could it be Satan? And that's what, that is the excuse you get from the little season people. Every time he brings up something in history, Satan did it. Well, why are there still mountains and islands? Satan, he covered it up. Why is there no evidence of the kingdom of Jesus? Satan did it. Well, why when we go into these Tatarian buildings, which I know we're about to talk about, why aren't there any paintings? Why is there no history? Why is there nothing? And here's the thing, every other kingdom that has ever existed in history, there is evidence. There is evidence.

not just that it existed, but what life was like. You look at the Egyptian dynasty 4,000 years ago. You look at a hieroglyph, first of all, you know it's Egyptian. You know what the people look like. You know what the gods they worship. You know about their food, their history, their mythology. The same thing with the Sumerian empires, the Mesopotamians, the Babylonians. Look at the Persian Empire.

Our numbering system comes from, we use Arabic numbers. That comes from the Persian Empire. The Greek Empire, good Lord, all of our philosophy, who comes from Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, our system of government, democracy was invented by them. It affects us to this day. The Parthenon is still up, which, by the way, should have been shaken to the ground

during the earthquakes of the tribulation. They're still there. Rome. If you go to Rome right now, it's like a giant outdoor museum. My point is, why do we have vivid history and documentation and language of every empire in the world? the world, but the thousand-year empire of Jesus, we have nothing. There is nothing inside of it. I mean, there's nothing in any of these buildings that depict the reign of Jesus. Now, yes,

if you go into some of these Gothic cathedrals, you will see paintings. But these paintings are all of the past. They're of things like the flood or Adam and Eve or the first advent of Jesus. Why isn't there a single painting, a single sculpture, language, anything, a word, a symbol, a poem, a song about what would have been the great. kingdom in the history of the world, a 1,000-year kingdom worldwide, from sea to shining sea, all nations. Why is there nothing about that? An empire ruled by the God man on earth in his glorified body, with millions of glorified saints and resurrected bodies co-ruling with him. You mean to tell me that there is nothing about that? I'll say one last thing, and I'll let Joel go. If Satan had the ability

to erase a thousand years of that kingdom, which he must have done either with God's permission, God's endorsement, or God was powerless to stop him, and all three of those things would say something really unfortunate about God, if that's true. Why wouldn't he have done that for another event that would have been relatively easier, well, exponentially easier, the first advent of Jesus? When Jesus was on earth for 33 and a half years,

and actually only three and a half of those years were actually consequential as far as Christianity is concerned, when Jesus was just a human being. Yes, he was God, but he was God in a form of man. He was not worldwide. Jesus' ministry, he never left Israel. This little area in a Mediterranean about the size of New Jersey. His followers were a bunch of teenagers, that's what the disciples were,

despite what your Sunday school books say, except for Peter. Peter was the only one over 20 because he and Jesus were the only ones who had to pay the Roman tax, as we saw when they had them catch a fish and they gave the coin to the tax collector, and he gave it for him. gave it to them for himself and Peter, which means Peter was over 20. The rest were teenagers. So, so this, this gospel spread by a bunch of teenagers. And we, he couldn't stop that. And we know

he couldn't stop it because, well, there's a church on every corner. And, you know, there's a Bible in every hotel room. So clearly, Satan was not able to stop three and a half years of a ministry that only encompassed this tiny strip of land. And if he could, he could have stopped Christianity in his tracks. He had the local Jewish authorities. on his side. They hated Christianity. He had the Roman Empire on his side. They hated Christianity. And yet he couldn't, he couldn't stamp out three and a half years. Yet he could somehow completely erase 1,000 years of a supernatural worldwide kingdom. Does that seem plausible? That's a really good point. It really is. I mean, there's like, okay, so yeah, I mean, let's say Satan erases that

thousand-year reign. And for deception purpose, there's a lot more to the story. There's a lot more to the story that if I was Satan, I'd want to cover up too. Like, maybe even insert me as God King, God alone. Like, like, let's, let's erase the, the Genesis story. And, and, I mean, like, how far back do you want to go? If I have the ultimate power and authority to do this, like, I'm going back to the beginning and, and I'm making true, authentic worship towards me, baby. Like, I'm in control now. That doesn't make sense. I'll make the servant that the the Nakhash, which is unfortunately translated to serpent, Nakash actually in context means the shining one,

I'd make him the good guy. Why would I make God a good guy? Why wouldn't I make the serpent, the Nakash, the good guy? If he has all this power to alter all of the Bible, why does he leave in the parts where he's the bad guy? Yeah. Why would he keep in the parts where he gets overthrown and thrown down? Does that?

Could it be because there's some divine rules that we are not aware of that Satan has to follow? Is that like an argument maybe or something? There are, but there are rules he has to follow. And one of those rules is that all he's doing during the little season is deceiving the nations to gather against the state. So, yeah, he does have. My lie. How the turntables have turned.

There we go. You said something interesting there, Tony, which is going to get me to this part that I've been going to talk about, good old Antole Famenko, because he's very important to their cause. He's actually the most important person, their cause. And it's the most one of another one of the most flawed things that they can talk about. And you were talking about a thousand years disappearing. Well, they literally say that a thousand years have disappeared in history. So we're not at around 2,000 years after Jesus. We're actually around more like a little after 1,000 because they think we're around 1,300 AD, 2,200 AD.

They don't even know. They just throw it out there. So they think that the tribulation time was in 536 AD, which was known as one of the worst years in the history of the world. There was massive volcanic eruptions that caused, a mini ice age during that time. There was the plague of Justinian around that time, killed millions of people. It was messed up time. We don't really know what happened there. I'll give you that. We don't know exactly what happened. Most historians don't. They just know it was a pretty messed up time. However, even that isn't even close to the cataclysms that are

talked about in Revelation. Right. So how do we get rid of the thousand years? Well, good old Antole Famenco. And he is still alive. He's a Soviet and Russian professor of mathematics at Moscow State University. He's actually a genius when it comes to math. He's super smart, very intelligent guy. But he decides he wants to dabble in chronology. And he actually writes and co-authors with his parents this seven-volume collection called New Chronology in 1983. And he comes up with this idea that the ancient civilizations of Rome, Greece, Egypt actually occurred during the Middle Ages, during the Dark Ages.

So this is where they get this idea that the inversion, the Dark Ages were actually the Light Ages. So that's what Satan inverted. So the Dark Ages, he's tricking our minds into thinking that the Dark Ages are actually bad when they were actually good. And he goes on to say that it was this global empire called the Russian Horde.

So obviously he's going to circle it and centralize it around Russia. He's from Russia. So, of course, it's the Russian horde that ruled during this time. Rome's not really Rome. This is where it gets real dangerous, and this is the part they always leave out. He's definitely not a Christian, and he's vehemently against Jesus being who he says he was. As a matter of fact, he goes on to talk about many different people who he thinks could be Jesus. He talks about Andronikos, the first, who was marked by political failures. He was tons of scandals. And they, he says that Jesus was him. He also goes into another part where he thinks that Jesus was Pope Gregory the 7th, where he talks about Jesus being this

Catholic ruler who also was tied up in a bunch of controversies during the Gregorian reform and all of these different things that were going on. So he attributes Jesus to two historical characters, not being divinity. As a matter of fact, he'll even insert gods like Dionys, in there to play the Jesus figure. So here was this guy who little seasonist have put on a pedestal because he gets rid of 700 to 1,000 years in his new chronology. He says that it was rewritten. They shortened time. They're trying to trick humanity. And they say, oh, and you'll hear him a lot of times say Antoine Flamenco. And he's this brilliant mathematician. And he says that 700 to 1,000 years are gone. And then they move on because you don't want to go into who Antoine,

Fulminco was. Check this out. So in Toli Fumiko, he didn't get this from nowhere. He actually got this guy from a guy named Nikolai Morozov, who was a Russian revolutionary, and he spent about 25 years in prison. Oh, man. This, this, this, uh, this episode's brought to you by, Joel's phone ringing. I was right. So he doesn't actually get this from himself. He gets this from another guy named Nikolai Morozov, and Morozov was a Russian revolutionary. He spends about 25 years in prison because he's a revolutionary. He gets out. He does a lot. He writes a ton of books, publishes works. He's actually super against divine law, which is another thing that's against Christianity because he is more academic. He doesn't think that we should follow the will of God. He says that God doesn't even exist. We need to follow manmade law. Well, here's another interesting thing about him. He's a Freemason. He's actually a prominent Freemason in Moscow. So Moscow started what they called the Renaissance Lodge under the Grand Orient of France. And they were bringing in these elite minds.

And actually it was a stringent process to get into this lodge. So he was one of 40 people that could only get into the lodge. And he was immensely popular in Petersburg in Russia at the time. So he also started with rewriting history. He wrote this, The Revelation in Storm and Thunder. And he talks that the Revelation to John asked, dated astronomically to September 395 AD. So he moved the timetable up as well.

So this is where Anto-Anatoly Amnatoly Famico got his idea from was from this Freemason, who guess what he got his idea from? He got his idea from John Ardwin, who John Ardwin was a prominent Jesuit who was manipulating essentially 14th century historical files that were coming into him. And he was saying that guys like Herodotus and Pliny the Elder, all of these were falsifying the time frame that they were talking in. So he was the precursor to Nikolai Morozov, who was the precursor to our good old Flamenco. So when you try, track that all the way back. We've got a Jesuit, a Freemason, and then a guy who denies the divinity of Jesus,

how in the world are we as Christians taking the word of these people? And I think this goes back to what we talk about with cognitive infiltration. I think the enemy uses cognitive infiltration over hundreds of years to get to a point to where people can be manipulated by books that they read. think about it. If you catch a book that's over two, three hundred years old, you're like, well, this guy must know what he's talking about. You don't even consider the fact that he could be deceptive or he's being manipulated by the enemy. You just accepted his fact. And this is exactly what they've done to erase history, the little seasonist. Oh, I love Antoley Famico. He gets rid of 700 to a thousand years. It makes my system work with my theory, not even talking about

the fact that he really just can't stand Jesus. He can't even figure out who he is, but he's making him out to be some pope or some ruler. And then you go back to his mentor, who's Nikolai Morozov, he's a Freemason. And then you go back to his mentor and he's a Jesuit. How are we skirting over actual research? That's called not wanting to research things ethically to make your theory work around whatever you want it to work. Yes, it's confirmation bias at his grossest. I want to get into the, You were talking about Jesuit, and I think this is a good way to start, bringing this in for a landing. I'm glad you said that, because I was about to say, we're going to have to bring us in for landing, guys. Yeah, I get it.

And just one real quick thing. Keep in mind that these calendars were not just kept in the West. There were other civilizations all over the world who kept calendars who do not have a, that don't have a missing or added thousand years. For example, the Mayans, you know, we all know about the Mayan calendar from 2012, written in stone about 5,000 years ago. Well, those calendars don't have an added thousand years. missing thousand years. So unless you believe that the Jesuits got into their DeLorean with a flux capacitor and went back in time and recarved those stones, there's no missing history.

I'm the Han Dynasty in China. They have calendars that are congruent with ours. There's no missing or added history to them. That's just something that confirmation bias. Well, this makes our theory correct. We have to be very careful about that. Let's talk about the Jesuit idea. And I can make this quick because we've already covered a lot of the precursors to it. This idea that Jesus returned during the lifetime of his disciples was virtually unheard of before the 1600s. The church fathers didn't talk about it. Why would they? No one talked about it in any mainstream form until the 1600s. In the 1600s, what do you have? You have the rise of the Protestant Reformation. What is Protestant Reformation is we all knows when Martin Luther nailed the 95 thesis through the Woodenburg Church.

and it started a movement of Christians going away from the Catholic Church, reading the Bible for themselves, letting the Holy Spirit do what he's supposed to do, which is reveal all truth to you. And they were leaving the Catholic Church in droves. And the Catholic Church didn't like that because they were losing all that sweet, delicious cash. So what happened? Well, a counter-reformation was established by a man in Ignatius Loyola. He started the Society of Jesus, aka the Jesuits. So a couple of the things that the Vatican really hated about the Protestants were their eschatological beliefs. Two of them in particular.

Number one was the idea that the Pope is the Antichrist. And it's easy to believe that because he did a lot of the things that the Antichrist is supposed to do. He claims to be God on earth, quasi-worshipped, has all these control. And secondly, they promoted the idea that Jesus was going to return to overthrow the evil rulers. We have to imagine that the idea of Jesus, that's coming back to overturn the evil rulers would not be very popular with the evil rulers at the time, but again, we're talking to Vatican.

So, the Jesuit order wanted to stamp that out. Then along comes a Jesuit by the name of Luis de Al-Qasar. Easily look him up. You can Google them right now. Luis de Al-Gazar came up with a novel interpretation, a new interpretation of Matthew 1628, saying, hey, Jesus is saying that he is going to return during the lifetime of his disciples.

Vatican loved this because it solved both of their problems. First of all, if Jesus returned in the lifetime of his disciples, that means the Antichrist would have to have preceded that, meaning the Pope can't be the Antichrist. And secondly, if Jesus already returned, then that means that there's no point looking forward to his return because that already happened. So we are the Vickers of Christ, Vicarious Christos, which, by the way, comes from the Greek, that's the Latin of the Greek, Antichristus, which means anti-Christos, which means Antichristos, So basically every pope has been calling himself the Antichrist for thousands, for the last couple thousand years.

That's a little side note for you. But that's solved the problem. And that's where preterism comes from. Preterism was invented by the Jesuits. This is not my theory. This is not my belief. This is accepted by everyone, including the preterist. If you do that Google search, you're going to see a preterist document come up saying, yeah, Luis E Alcazar came up with it.

but just because a Jesuit came up with this idea, it doesn't mean it's harmful to Christians. Yeah, it kind of does. If your enemy comes up with a theory that change your rascotology, you probably shouldn't believe it. It's like you're not going to eat a cake baked by your enemy. As I joked yesterday, if the Ku Klux Klan comes up with a book on racial theory,

I'm probably not going to take it seriously because I don't think they're honest disseminators of information. The Jesuits are the enemy, and that's where this came from. So what happened next, and preterism has never been popular because it doesn't make any bloody sense. But it's well financed. I wonder where they get their financing from. And it persists to this day, but it's never very popular. But then along comes this idea of Tataria, which Joel was just talking about, this idea that there is a civilization.

I wish we had more time to go into it. But there was apparently this civilization called Tataria from the Tartari in central Europe near Russia. And they have these massive, they made, they have these amazing buildings. They had incredible technology. And in these buildings, they had healing centers where the organs would, you play the organs, and they would heal your organs. This is a thought of Tataria? Yeah.

Okay. We'll go into it then. I'm interesting. Well, yeah, that's what, that's what Tataria is. It's this alleged advanced civilization. And they made these Gothic buildings that we call cathedrals. And a lot of our government buildings to this day have the, have these supernatural qualities to them. they could get ambient energy from the, from the sky like Nikola Tesla talked about.

That's why you would see some of these like steeples and antennas. They were made for bringing in free energy. So they had free energy. You would go inside of them. The bells would ring in a certain frequency. The organs would play at a certain frequency. That would heal the body. So, and it's really interesting stuff.

And then apparently there was a cataclysm that happened not too long ago. Maybe, you know, about 100, 200 years ago where the Tatarian Empire fell. There was a mud flood that wiped. them out. Now, how these advanced people couldn't deal with mud? Don't know. But apparently they didn't have mud flaps on their, on their trucks. But I'm being suspicious. And this is global? Yeah, global. So where the mud come from for global flooding? Hmm. Well, when you ask, they will say, well, it could have been volcanic ash. There was a cataclysm. Volcanoes put ash into the air. The ash rains down and it floods these buildings. And you will see some of them partially buried.

And it's not because they were really heavy and there was erosion that they sank, which is the, which is the actual scientific explanation for it. Nope, it had to be that these advanced people couldn't deal with mud and they were wiped out by mud. Again, I'm being mildly facetious here. Yeah, I'm just, I'm going down, like, I'm going down this like mental, because I did mudflit or Tartari episode a long time ago and I don't think about it often. And so. But how this relates to, I'll just speaking just like you, but how this relates to the kingdom of Jesus is the preterist saw this and said, hey, wait a minute. If you have this empire of Tataria that the Tatarian people, the secular researchers say that

the Tatarian Empire lasted about a thousand years, from about 800 AD roughly to where we are to the 1800s. That's a thousand years. And it was an advanced civilization. And they have these amazing buildings and they were 12 feet tall, some of them. Because some of these Tatarian buildings have huge doors on them. You know what? This sounds like the kingdom of Jesus.

So now we have some kind of historic record or historic idea that we can basically wedge our preterous idea onto and say that Tataria was the kingdom of Jesus or it was like the Byzantine Empire. And so these buildings that they created were commissioned by Jesus. And we don't make them anymore today because we don't have that information anymore. So the way it works is that Jesus came back a thousand years ago. These Tatarian buildings were created because, after all, wouldn't Jesus want us to be healed and give us free energy and all that kind of stuff?

Then when Jesus left, well, you got all these buildings and Satan has to knock them all down. He has to destroy these buildings because he doesn't want any evidence of Jesus. And anyone who was around, well, they were round up and put into insane asylum so that they couldn't talk about Jesus anymore. Their kids were put on orphan trains and giving away to other people. Now, who these other people are isn't clear because wouldn't the people who were in the same, Who built these insane in sane asylums? Why wouldn't Satan just kill the people? Don't know.

So I know you want to talk and just give me just one more minute. So apparently, so the question is who built these insane asylums? And whoever built them, wouldn't they have been contemporaries of the people who were put in the asylums? Wouldn't they also have knowledge of the kingdom of Jesus? Did they not know what they were doing? Did they sign nondisclosure agreements that they wouldn't say what they were doing? Who rounded them up and put them into these insane asylums? Who manned them?

these asylums need to have, you need to have doctors, nurses, orderlies, janitors. Were they all in cahoots? Did they all sign NDAs as well, saying we promise, we swear, or we won't talk about Jesus? Because they would have been around the same time. Who adopted the kids on the orphan trains? Wouldn't the people who adopted them also be contemporaries of the people who were put into the asylums, who were eyewitnesses to the kingdom of Jesus? That's why I said, it's a mile wide and an inch deep this theory.

When you start thinking about it, it doesn't make sense. We say, oh, yeah, saying it's like them. That's what happened to him. Oh, yeah, I've heard of orphan trains. That must be what happened. Okay, think about the logistics. Does it really work? No.

So essentially what happened, the preterous appropriated to Tataria and just slapped the kingdom of Jesus into it. And with confirmation bias, it becomes part of the zeitgeist. And it's one of their proof points until you actually spend five minutes thinking about how this could possibly be. And you realize it's utterly ludicrous. I'm going to answer one of your questions that you asked early on in this. and this is going to tie into what you just said too because you were talking about the tall doors. And you asked, what is it about these saints being in the North Pole? How do we get this idea that they're in the North Pole?

Well, it's very interesting how they get the idea that they're in the North Pole. So just so you know that those tall doors are important because the saints were so tall that the people living during the time didn't want the saints to have to bow to walk in the door. because with their glorified bodies, they're probably in the range of eight to nine feet tall. They're light beings that can transverse different dimensions. They have halos over their heads. And you may wonder, how do we get that from? We have to go to the little thing called hagiography. And hagiography is basically a biography of saints.

It really deals with more of the supernatural aspects. You'll see it on paintings and you may see a saint. You look pretty big in a painting. and they're just showing how he helped or she helped the people around them. You know, St. Christopher, who the dog-headed man, would be considered something to do with hagiography, right? So I was very interested at a friend of mine send over a podcast that was talking about hoggyography and the Little Season. I'm a big hoggyography fan because I talk about a lot of ancient history. I talk about a lot of the stuff that Pliny the Elder and Herodotus talk about, especially when they're talking about dog-headed people and all of these,

crazy creatures that they talk that they've seen on their trips. I said, man, this is going to be interesting. Let me get into it. I get into it. And first and foremost, the guy that presents it doesn't know what hagiography is. He can't pronounce it. I'm not going to say that's a bad thing, but he just wasn't very familiar with what these things are. Now, he tells the guys running the podcast that he has special information that only he's been able to receive. Now, the main guy run the podcast, tells everyone, listen, I know it sounds weird, but you can trust him, because I trust him, just know you can trust him. Always worrying when people start out something like that. So he says that he has an AI program that, well, one, he sends it out basically

to do missions. It will tap into things that he can't get to. Now, he prays over it, is what he says, and he rebuked Satan out of it if he feels like it's moving to mainstream. He can tell if it starts talking to mainstream, he prays over it. So I'm already like, well, this is getting wild now. So he says that this AI program has tapped into the Vatican secret files and has now produced portions of hagiographies that were written about the little season. So I got a hold of the files. I was able to find them unscribed. And anybody that's looking for him, go find out of. them. There's 140-page version and 167-page version that you can go pick up. So I'm going to read a couple excerpts from them, just so you get the idea of where we're

getting the light beings from and these ideas from. Now, this is how far that it's gotten to the point that we're going to trust an AI script that it's hacking into the Vatican files. Now, check this out now. You don't think the Vatican might have some of the most powerful firewalls in the world that would be able to stop your AI program from hacking into it. I don't know, maybe if you're a hacker, maybe if you're on the opposite end of it. So it starts with a Codex Lucius, which I actually tried to find a Codex Lucius. There's no such thing as a Codex Lucius. So it's just an excerpt following the darkness that covered the sun for 17 months,

536 to 537 AD. Seven brothers at the monastery of Monte Cassino underwent transformation while at prayer. Their bodies through remaining tangible, emitted light comparable to bright lamps, requiring no candles for night offices. Most remarkably, they declared with one voice that this manifestation signified the beginning of the thousand years when Satan is bound as foretold by the Apostle John. That's just one. It's 167 pages of this. But I was gleaning through it, and I noticed a couple of names that seemed really familiar to me. And I said, man, this is interesting.

what are these names? So I found a Mysterium Civetus sanctatorium. Granted, I put this in the search engines. There's none of this to be found. There's no sanctorian to be found. But it's written by Johannes Tritemios. And Johannes Tritemios, who was a German Benedictine Abbot and Polymath, He was also a master chronicle and occultist.

He taught Paracelsus. So they are using an occultist who, by the way, they said he wrote this, the city where glorified saints dwell during the thousand years, moves between physical and celestial realms according to celestial cycles. So we're talking about celestial cycles. So now we're getting to astrology. When fully manifested on Earth, it stands at the northern axis, surrounded by mountains of crystals that capture auroral life.

They've been talking about the North Pole and the Aurora Light there. This is how they get this from. Those permitted entry describes structures built without joints or seams, halls that adjust their dimensions according to need and gardens yielding fruit, representing all knowledge from Adam to the present age. Most importantly, the city contains the archives recording all the events of the millennium and calculations for recognizing signs of the enemy's release. They said that Johannes wrote this.

A master occultist, by the way, who if the average person is reading this, not going to know that. But me, that's part of what I do. I study the occult. I try to understand it. I try to give people how it's integrated into Christian life at this point. The last one I'm going to read, and this is the wildest one to me. And you guys are going to know the name immediately when I say it. But again, a lot of people don't know this name.

So again, I'm just trying to pronounce the name of these things because they don't exist. So this is just something that was put together. So Naratio Lemicure at Atlantis Resurgentium cited in John D's Libra Mysterium. So it talks about the Council of Transformed Ones who governed during the millennium and how they will temporarily hide until Satan's binding ends. they are quoting John D's five books of mystery saying that in his book that he cited this book, well, guess what I have at the house, the five books of mystery, I just go through a quick search in Word. This book doesn't exist in there.

He's not talking. He's not even citing it. So why are we even using John D's Libre Mysterium as a cited quote? This is how far it's gotten. And this is why we're saying it's dangerous because they're so desperate to prove it. As a matter of fact, while this episode's going on, they're saying, if this is real, it's the smoking gun we've been looking for. We've got the smoking gun. And I was like, oh, my goodness, we're talking about the occult and narcissism being the smoking gun for this.

This is absolutely one of the most dangerous things I've seen come around in a long time with the little season. Yeah, I got, yeah, I know. So let's bring this in, because I know we could talk clearly all day about this, but let me just say, because I, I want you to say that, but I do want to do little housekeeping before we, because I feel like ending on a point is better than what I'm about to do. Okay. One, you have a book, The Little Season. Where can people get it? Oh, yeah. So you can get, if you want the digital version of this, you can go to my website, faithbyreason.net.

You'll be able to get it there. You can also get it on my Patreon, the same way. If you become a patron, you actually get it for free. I don't know. This part of your package as a patron, you get access to my book. And this book, as well as my previous book, called The False Apocalypse, Satan's BitCon, before the tribulation. So you get those there. If you want the paperback copy, like you see here, you have to go to Amazon.

You can do the search for it there. There's a link to the Amazon version on those two websites. So you can just, you can search for it yourself there. Okay. So if you want to read all of that's thoughts on this, it's in his book. And for Joel, at the time of this recording, it doesn't exist yet. So clarify Joel, you're going to be doing a little season breakdown episodic series on your show, Free the Rabbits. Is that going to be out before this episode comes out?

Because it's going to be a little while at the time of this recording. So clarify, should they be looking for it now? and all available, or is it going to be coming available at the time they hear this? The entire series will be out by the time that this episode airs, and I'm going to be doing what Tony always says, the encyclopedia version of all this. So I'll be going super deep. I'll probably go into this document really deep with a lot of the ideas that are permeating that aren't coming from anywhere biblical at all. So I think that I wanted to do that and really go deep. Now, I want to say this to Ed's book, because I'm going to shift it back to Ed's book.

Phenomenal. I've read it front to back. Great book. Also look for a Tracy Labens. She does a rebuttal book to that pamphlet that's out right now. You can go on Amazon and type in Tracy Labens, T-R-A-S-I-L-E-B-E-N-S, and just type little season after that. And it will be a complete rebuttal to the pamphlet. She does 160 pages where she just goes passage, by passage by passage, and shows you how it does not align biblically. So there's a couple books out there between Eds and her book that I think are absolutely phenomenal. And here's what I want to say, if you're a little seasonist, we're not here to beat you down. That's not the point here at all. But what I want to say is this. If you're a true researcher, put your theory to the fire,

because I do with mine all the time, you have to try to disprove it before you can prove it. And I want to say that a lot of people who came from what they consider pre-tribulation, church mentality, honestly didn't do the studying of the word to understand it in the first place. So when this came along, it was sexier. It's sexy. Don't get me wrong. It's a sexy theory because, man, you can just throw anything in it. And, man, you can keep growing it and growing it and growing it.

And if you're into that kind of stuff, you and I use this word a lot, conspiratorial junkies. You can just keep putting it in the spoon and keep, you know, putting in your arm. And I think that we need to hone everything into the Word of God. What is the Spirit saying through the Word to us when we read it? And Ed does a great job in his book. Tracy does a great job in her book expounding on the scripture, pointing you in the right direction. And hey, listen, if you walk away from their books and don't believe it and you love a little season, cool, but you challenged yourself. You challenged yourself to put your theory to the fire.

and if you're not willing to do it, and ask yourself why you're not willing to do it. Because I know that Ed and I went into all this research in a little season, open-minded. I went into it and said, listen, maybe I'm wrong about some stuff. I want to see what I could be wrong about. We went way too far down the rabbit hole with this thing.

I'll tell you that. So I just wanted to bring that up because links will be in the description of this episode on YouTube and on the audio for the book, but also the series. So the fact that the series is out, now is great. We'll be putting links in there. So if it's a playlist, it'll be there. If it's three, four episodes, maybe we'll just put part one, part two, part three, and we'll link them all

there. That way, people can just kind of jump over to whether they prefer reading or consuming audibly or visually on the podcast front, they can kind of get into it more. So that said, what you were about to say, if you remember, I do. I want you to share your thoughts and, you know, I know Joel kind of just did share his final thoughts, but I just want to kind of give you guys an opportunity to kind of put a final stamp on things. Yes. And I'll start with just my thought is this. And I've referenced it a little bit throughout this recording.

And it's maybe just something that I'm for me personally passionate about. If whatever I'm getting involved in takes me away from Christ, and the message of Christ, then I got to check myself. It's not to say you shouldn't look into things. You know, we do that on the show a lot. We look at the supernatural realm and the realities of it and the warfare that's happening there to better understand the situation we live in,

to better understand the fact that we need to cleave to Christ. And what I've heard from you guys today, and, you know, I'm not, like a scholar in it, but I did play a little ignorant on some things today because I just wanted to be the guy that kind of help navigate the waters with two guys who've heavily researched it. The things that I've seen, it concerns me that that might be happening for Christians. People who are not Christians diving into it, there's a whole other set of hurdles for them to go over that it doesn't really, them diving into the little season doesn't really create as much pause

for me as Christians diving into it. If you're not a Christian and you're diving into it, it's like you need Jesus before you need anything else. And until you figure that out, it's like whatever. But for Christians, that's my concern is, is this pulling you away from the message of the cross being the main thing and for me it's like we have a great commission to fulfill the fact that you're calling yourself a christian in today's time if we're in the little season like you the great commission should be applying right now and in reality if we're in the little season does it yeah and there's a lot of questions like that that need to be answered um and so that's kind of like my heart behind it uh and uh and uh and uh

I don't have it memorized. I love the fact that you said, I don't have it memorized something because that's me. Like, I have general, but you referenced second Timothy, but first Timothy, I think it's chapter one verse four is when I came across it yesterday. And I was just like,

when I was doing some reading and I came across, I text the guys, Derek and Jack. And I was like, this is literally the depiction. It's like, it, the idea is that if you take it away,

if you take, I should just look it up right now. But anything that takes away from the message of the cross should be checked, you know? And it says, advise against focus on myths and endless genealogies as they lead to disputes rather than promoting faith and godly living. And like, that's how I feel like this is kind of gearing towards. And call it simplistic or whatever. and anybody who listens to me who isn't familiar with me for the last nine years of this show, like you could see the evolution of me as a host of the show.

Where I'm at right now is I just want to represent Christ in my life. This podcast is my life. It's my job. And therefore, everything that I'm doing in my life, I just wanted to be about Christ. I have evangelistic heart. I want to see people come to Christ. And that's where I'm at. And I just hope to see other,

see Christians who are diving into the little season stuff, be honest with themselves. And I'm not trying to categorize anybody either, because some people might be like, yeah, I'm all about Christ. And this is actually bringing people to Christ. And it's like, okay, you know, But I got a sense that more so than not, people are waking up in the morning thinking about

Little Season, being obsessed over it, than thinking about Jesus Christ and being obsessed over him. And so our obsessions need to be maybe realligned on some of this stuff. So that's my closing thoughts. I just want to see people who come to Christ and I want to see people who are in Christ to be radically about Christ and not about Little Season or the night. Nephalum or did Saul actually talk to the Spirit of Samuel or was it a demon? All these things are fun to talk about.

But when I wake up in the morning, I want to be about Christ. And because I'm about Christ, the literal living for Christ is an opportunity for me to put a boot in the back neck of Satan. And that's where we can get kind of going down these different roads. But like at the beginning of my day, at the end of day, I just, just want to be about Jesus because that's all that matters. So that was long-winded, but go ahead, guys. That's actually a great segue to something that happened to me this morning. That is not in my book that we had even talked about before. And that was, what type of evangelism would you have if we

were in the little season? That's really important because if you're witnessing to someone right now, what do you tell them? Why should I get saved right now? So I can start worshiping a God who abandon me and left me in this world where his enemy, our enemy is in control, and the only thing I'm looking forward to is fire? What kind of evangelical message is that? But also keep this in mind, during this period of time, and this is why we know it has to be a short period of time, there's no evangelism. This is the only period of time that that happens. Throughout the book of Revelation, through the tribulation, there's calls for evangelism. You have the 144,000 at the beginning of the tribulation. What are they doing? There are,

witnessing. They're preaching the gospel and they have a huge harvest of millions of people who come out of the tribulation and wash your bloods and, excuse me, wash their robes in the blood of the lamb. Even right before the bowls of wrath, God's final judgment, there's an angel or ego, depending on your translation, who flies through heaven with the everlasting gospel. So the gospel is being preached, even when God is pouring out his judgment. And yet the gospel's not being preached during the little season. Why? The gospel is the good news of Jesus. During the millennium and the little season, the world is filled with the knowledge of Jesus. He's here. We're not preaching about him because he's already here. That's why it's not being preached. That's why we know another of the many reasons we know

we're not in that season, because there is no call to salvation during this period, because Jesus is already here and the knowledge of God is already in the world. People have just rejected it. But I want to And this with the way I end the book. Because as Joel was saying, this isn't about castigating anyone. It isn't about making enemies. And what I've noticed is that every time I've been in a debate, be it verbal on podcasts or in comment sections, I found that people get really, really emotional. In fact, I was on a podcast where one guy, we were going back and forth about when he was

cherry picking a verse and I was trying to tell him how it was out of context. He got so angry that he just threw off his mic and just hung up. It was over Zoom. And I would wonder, why is this so emotional? Why are people getting so emotional about this? We can talk about all kinds of things that we don't agree on. Again, the rapture of, you know, Saul talking to the spirit of Samuel, all those sorts of things. And we can do it with sober minds, yet there is an emotional reaction.

Why? Well, it goes back to what I said about the unconscious mind. That is nine times larger than our conscious brain. And the role of the unconscious is to help us recognize reality, to keep us safe. If I see a bear in the woods, my unconscious is going to communicate with me, not through words, because it doesn't. It communicates through feelings. I'll get afraid. I'll feel uneasy.

And that's my unconscious telling me, hey, there's reality happening that you need to be aware of. Or if I see someone I'm attracted to, my unconscious, which is not moral, it just knows your patterns and say, hey, this is the kind of woman you're attracted to. Oh, I want to draw your attention to that reality by making your heartbeat faster and giving you, you know, all these chemicals in your brain, the chemical attractants. your unconscious loves reality. It hates the opposite of reality. What is the opposite? Contradictions. Contradictions can exist.

Cannot exist. I cannot be here in Tennessee and not in Tennessee at the same time. You know, I can't be happy and not happy at the same time. Those are contradictions. They can't exist. They don't exist. And when we hold a contradiction in our mind, our unconscious hates it and it says, no, you need to resolve this contradiction. And I'm going to send chemicals into your.

brain that is going to bother you and irritate you until he resolve the contradiction. This is why atheists are always so angry because they have a contradiction in their brain. They believe that life came from non-life, but the reality is that that's not true. You can lie. Your unconscious mind can lie. Your unconscious cannot. So in an atheist mind, they're unconscious and saying, you know, that's not true. You know life can't come from non-life.

You know there's no beneficial mutation ever. You know that there's a God. but the, and that just keeps poking out, I mean, it irritates them. And but they think that the irritation comes from Christians, which is why they're so angry of Christians and why even though they believe there's no God, they spend all their time talking about God and going to websites and going, get into a comment section, which makes no sense. If you're an atheist, if you truly believe that there's no God in this world that is going

to come to an end, your most precious commodity is time. Why are you wasting any of it arguing with Christians because they're trying to stop that poking in their mind because they don't recognize it from their unconscious? It's the same thing with Christians who believe in the little season. They have what seems to be a contradiction. The contradiction is we are told that we were created by a loving, benevolent God who wants nothing but the best for us. But then we live in this world of unspeakable evil where it looks like Satan's in control. That's a contradiction.

Or in their minds it's a contradiction. How can both of those things be true? Well, then along comes a little season that resolves a contradiction. We're in this period of time where God has turned us over. to Satan for this period. And even though it's horrifying and hopeless and bleak, it resolves a contradiction. And when a contradiction is resolved, our unconscious rewards us with some dopamine. And we feel better. Okay, I get it now. This makes sense. Confirmation bias is coming into play. I'm going to keep reinforcing this through all these different people who, and their cult,

I don't care if it's a cult. It makes sense. Every time I'm going to watch shows with people who promote the little season and I'm going to keep confirming it because it resolves a contradiction. Then along comes someone like me or someone like Joel and says, no, this isn't true. And what happens? Your unconscious says, uh-uh, we resolve that contradiction.

I don't want it back. Get him! And that's why they get so angry because it's not their conscious mind that's causing him anger. It's their unconscious saying, we don't want this contradiction back. This guy is trying to bring it back, attack him. So my gift to you, if you are listening to this and you believe in the little season and you believe it for whatever reason, I want to resolve the contradiction by letting you know that there is no contradiction between a loving God and an evil world.

God has not abandoned you. God wants you to be with him. He wants you to be whole. But he has given us certain periods of time where we have to deal with certain things. As I said before, the reason that evil is running ramp. it is not because God has turned you over to Satan. It's because the light of the church has dimmed. But God's promises have not gone away.

He still loves you. He will never leave you nor forsake you. And he will certainly not leave you for hundreds of years in the hands of your enemy who wants nothing more than your destruction. He has never done that. Satan has never had unfettered control of the world. He never will.

God always restrains him. And as I said before, the little season is Satan at his most constrained. I don't care how much you've read. I don't care how much it seems to make sense to you. Think about the character of God because the huge danger, the biggest danger to me in believing in the little season is that it's not going to just affect your eschatological worldview. It's going to affect your fellowship with Jehovah because if you believe that the God of the Bible would turn you over, would abandon you and leave you in the hands of Satan for 300 years,

that's going to provide a completely different view of who he is than if you believe we're at the end of the church age and that he's coming for us and he's coming to rule and reign for a thousand years in the future. What hope do you have if we're in the little season? The only thing you're hoping for, there is no hope. The only thing left on the eschatological calendar if we're in the little season is fire coming from heaven. For Satan to finally get off his butt and gather the nations against Jerusalem, wherever it might be. And then God rains down fire. Then we have the Great White Throne of Judgment.

That is a bleak, hopeless outlook. It is a sciop created by our enemies, the Jesuits, in order to do what they were commissioned to do, to destroy Protestantism and to destroy Protestant or mainline, I don't like to word Protestant, mainline Christian eschatology. Don't fall for the sciop of your enemy. Do not abandon hope.

God has not abandoned you. Do not abandon your hope in him. say it's over. They say the king already came and went left us ashes where the firemen call it history

call it sealed say the war's done say heaven healed they count the ears like they crack the code shift the map till it fits the road but the city is quiet no saints in light

just know that dressed up as in time sight you cause red-up it's not the season it just feels dark you don't question mark that's misuse within no missing pages no stitched in spin if hope is gone ways next why would we that's not prophecy that's death it sounds right because things feel wrong but hopelessness isn't discernment And certainty without Christ is just control If the story ends with fire Why would love still matter

Why would truth still call Light doesn't flee when shadows rise It waits It testifies Oh it's not the season His name But hope is breath