The Confessionals - 829: The Rivalry Of The Fallen

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

In this in-depth theological conversation, Tony sits down with Ed Mabrie to challenge common assumptions about spiritual warfare and end-times prophecy. Ed explains why the fallen Elohim are not unified under Satan, but operate as rival powers competing for control, driven by addiction to worship and the desire to overturn God’s plan. The discussion moves through Babel, Psalm 82, the Nephilim, and Revelation, reframing war and global chaos as the result of supernatural conflict rather than human ambition alone. Ed also outlines why deception is Satan’s primary weapon, not raw power, and why the Church acts as the restrainer holding back the Antichrist. Throughout the conversation, we are reminded that believers carry real authority in Christ, authority that is rarely taught and often unused. This is a dense but grounding conversation meant to sharpen discernment and reset how Christians view the unseen battle shaping history.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE TODAY: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] Mabrie:Patreon | Website | Book | Spiritual Warfare CourseMAILING ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - Agartha (feat. Nergui)YouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just your weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. Merkel. Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me.

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And I was fascinated by this conversation. We also talked about the false apocalypse and the four horsemen. This was a fantastic conversation. Let's get to it right now. Ed Mabry. How are you, sir? I'm good. How are you?

I'm good. So we did a recording yesterday, and I don't know the direction of the schedule, how it's going to all roll out, if this is going to go first or that's going to go first. But yesterday, you and I and Joel did a recording on the little season. Oh, yeah. And that was an interesting. conversation because it had not been on my radar. And it was interesting to learn about this new

theory that people have. And I thought it was a good conversation. I think we went about an hour or no, two and a half hours, I think is about what, Jack's nodding. Yes. So we did a two and a half hour conversation. I feel like we just didn't scratch the surface. There was so much more. We could have talked all day. But of course, I don't think anyone wants to listen to that all day because it was a pretty new thing for me as well. It's only maybe a year and a half ago. I started hearing about it. And I, and at first, I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense. And I kept being told, you got to research more. You got to do more research into it. We're in Satan's little season. And I said, okay, well, I'll research more. That was the last thing they should

have asked me to do, because with all that research, I ended up writing a book about it, because I just think it's a really, really dangerous idea. It's going to change not just your eschatological worldview, but I think it could also change your relationship, your fellowship with God. If you believe that about his character that he would not only abandon us after Jesus would abandon us after ruling for ruling and reigning this perfect utopia for a thousand years, but then he would also turn us over for some indefinite period of time to our moral enemy who wants our destruction. That just doesn't sound like a God I want to worship. Yeah, it's, it's that is the danger I would say that

concerned me the most as well. And before we get too far lost in, the weeds. I do want to mention the first book you wrote, which is the false apocalypse, Satan's Big Con, before the Tribulation. We can definitely get into that if we have time here. Because I know before we started recording, we talked about what we were talking about in the green room. And I was like, I definitely want to hit on that to start. But I also, if we can just hit on your book and let people know what it's about and we can circle back around to it at some point here in a conversation. Yeah. So this book, the false apocalypse, is really my unorthodox. take on Revelation chapter 6, which is the opening of the six seals. Now, the common understanding

of that in eschatology is that these six seals really represent either the beginning of the tribulation period, the 70th week of Daniel, the time of Jacob's trouble, or it's a big picture overview because you have the four horsemen, white, red, black, pale, and then you have the cry of the martyrs with the fifth seal and then in the six seal are these cosmic disturbances, it's a great earthquake that happens, and the stars of heaven being flung down to earth. So again, commonly believe that this is the beginning of God's judgments, or some people who see Revelation as, you know, just a big overview. They think that these seals are an overview, and then the rest of Revelation is really commentary on that. My contention is that these sales,

specifically the four horsemen, are not judgments from God, that they are actually from Satan, that these horsemen are being released be in order to bring about Satan's pre-tribulation con where he sets himself up and sets up his Antichrist to be worshipped. Because look at it this way. If the Antichrist is a false Jesus, he's going to do everything that Jesus did but in a maleficent way,

he's going to, once he's a fake Messiah, he's going to be a false world leader. So if you're going to have a, false Jesus, then you have to have. And we know that Jesus is going to appear after the apocalypse. And you need a fake apocalypse. And I believe that these four horsemen signal that. So when the four horsemen come about because of the, as a result of the seals being opened. And as when those seals are opened, every time John sees one of the seals open, you hear one of the, the cherubim say, well, in your King James, it'll say, come and see. And most people say, well, he's talking to John.

he's telling John to come and see. That's not what he's saying. That actual word is proceed or even go. He's not talking to John. They're talking to the horsemen. The horsemen are being released. Satan is being released at this point because I believe at this point the church is taken out of the world. That's a whole other thing with the rapture.

Maybe we'll touch on that. And highly controversial. The only thing probably more controversial in eschatology than the little season is the rapture. I did do an episode with a friend of mine, a pastor out in North Carolina. and we did a rapture episode, and apparently it was pretty controversial. It's always going to be. I think we, yeah, we'll touch on that if we get to it. But in any case, you have the first horseman, which is the white rider,

which everyone universally agrees is the Antichrist, is the beast. But then the next horseman is war, or they say it's war. That's the common idea that this, you know, peace is taken from the earth. This will be World War III. But it doesn't say, the Bible doesn't say war. It just says that this red horseman has the power to take it. peace from the earth. And so that men will kill one another.

That word for kill is the Greek word, Spatso. That means slaughter as part of a ritualistic sacrifice. So this is a massive blood sacrifice in a ritualistic manner, according to the Greek. And then you have,

so you're going to have massive bloodshed in a ritualistic manner. And then you have the black horsemen, which is called famine normally, and the traditional view is, well, after war, you have famine. However, this is not a famine of scarcity. because this horseman has scales, balances in his hand.

And during that time, those balances, those scales were a form of commerce. That's how you would weigh something. So you would measure a certain amount of gold on one side and then the product on the other side. And they would line up and that's how you knew how much gold this thing would cost. So this is economic. This is hyperinflation. It's not scarcity. How do we know that?

Because it says that in the Bible that an entire, it would take an entire day's wage or a denarrus in this case to have one, serving of bread and it would take or three servings of one serving of wheat bread or three servings of barley, which was basically animal feed. So you'd have to work an entire day just to have substandard food. Sounds like our economy right now. Yeah, exactly. And it says don't hurt the oil or the wine. Oil and wine are the, that's the purveyance of the rich. If you're starving, you don't care about oil and wine. Those are luxury items. So the rich are going to be fine. But the working man and woman, they're going to be facing hyperinflation, like that sounds similar to what we're having right now.

Then you have the fourth horseman, which is called, who's called death. And he is allowed to, he's given power to kill a fourth of humanity through, through a war, through pestilence, which is diseases, through actual famine, and then something called the beast of the earth. And if you talk to your average pastor about this, they won't say much because they'll, they'll say something like, well, this means that, you know, animals are, you know, hamsters and giraffes and porcupines are going to lose their minds and start slapping people around. You know, the lions are going to escape from the zoo and start eating people. They don't spend much time on it because it sounds

weird. But that word, beast of the earth, is actually the Greek term Therion gigantes, a Therian ghi. Therion, we know throughout the rest of Revelation, it means a supernatural entity. You know, the Antichrist is called a Therian. The false prophet is called Atherian. This is a supernatural creature that word Ghi or gigantes. refers means the earthborn. The earthborn, or ghee, is the exact same word that's used in a Septuagint version of the Old Testament for the Nephilim. That's why we call them giants.

Wow. Okay. So the Nephilim are coming back. They're going to be the ones who are going to be responsible for killing a fourth of mankind. Those are from Satan. But here is one of my, so I know this is controversial, but we'll move on from this. but there are two key areas that, well, three actually, I'll go off the three, maybe we'll circle back to them. One is the cry of the martyrs at the fifth seal. The martyrs say something very interesting.

They say they are the people who have been killed for the ministry, for the gospel in the past. And they say to God, they say, how long, O Lord, righteous and true, until you avenge us. Now, why would they be saying this if these horsemen were God's judgment? and why would God respond the way he does? God says to wait a little while, or a little season. We talked about this in the last episode, until wait a little while, and I will avenge you. So if these horsemen are from God,

why would they be saying, when are you going to avenge us? They should see it. It's happening now. And why would God say to wait a little while? God would say, hey, guys, look, I'm doing it right now. See, these horsemen, I got your back. No, he tells them to wait, which means these are not from God. And then you have the sixth year, where you have all the cosmic disturbances.

You have the great earthquake that moves every mountain and island out of its place, which is one of the reasons why I believe the little season is fraudulent, because that would have happened in the past great tectonic activity. There's no evidence of that. But then you see the stars of heaven, which are an idiom for the angels, the Elohim being cast, fallen Elohim, being cast down to earth. And then you read that passage that says that all the people of the earth, the mighty men, the captains, the chiefs, all these people, they go into the caves and they hide

and say to the mountains fall in us and hide us from He who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the lamb, the lamb being Jesus. That is the only time you will ever see in that phrase in the Bible, the wrath of the lamb, because wrath is the purview of God. Jesus did not come for wrath. He came not to condemn us, but to save us. So you have the only time wrath is associated with, with Jesus and is being uttered by fallen people. They're being deceived. They're being deceived into believing that all these calamities are happening because of Jesus, because of God. God is bringing it on them, and Satan is the one who is doing it.

And they will accept this antichrist figure. So they're making God into the bad guy. And you see throughout the book of Revelation where people are cursing the name of God and cursing those who dwell in heaven, the people who are saved and are currently in heaven. And the last point is when you look at the Olivet discourse, the Olivet discourse is when three disciples came to Jesus for a private briefing and they asked him, when will these things be the destruction of the temple?

And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? The first thing that Jesus says is take heed that you are not deceived. So Jesus is saying, he's counting what he's going to say next in deception. And what does he say? He says, you're going to see many will come in my name saying, I am Christ and will deceive many, a false Christ. You will have wars and rumors of wars. Hmm, war, warfare, men killing one another.

You will have earthquakes in diverse places. You will have pestilences. You will have all these things that are sounds like these four horsemen. Then he will say, but the end is not yet. This is not the end. Don't be deceived when you see false Christ, when you see wars and rumors of wars, when you see pestilence, when you see all,

these earthquake, and you see all these things happen, these are not the end. This is not the end. These are a deception. I think that he's talking about what I believe he's talking about what's happening at the opening of the seals. Wow. That's interesting. Have you had an opportunity to talk to or I know you've done debates about other topics? Has this ever been a topic of debate that you've entered into? It hasn't been a debate yet. I think people just find it interesting. And again, I could be wrong. I am, I totally admit that the, traditional view could be wrong. So this isn't the gospel of that. This is not the gospel of it. I say that clearly. We were about to put it in the Bible, but right after Revelation.

But I think it actually makes sense. We look at it in context. Okay. That's awesome. I find this stuff interesting. I'm slowly learning more and more about end times prophecy and things like that. It's never been really the wheelhouse that I've toyed in. But my pastor has been doing a lot of studies on it and talking with him, you know, he uses me as a sounding board at times. And I try my best to keep up. But he also does the Wednesday night Bible studies and stuff like that. So he has more than just me, thankfully. You know, we were, we were just next door here talking about, well, you and Derek were talking about a lot of stuff. And before we go there, I just want to make this on the recording, people that are

watching and listening. I had this idea because you and Derek probably talked for nearly two, three hours over there about different things. I don't know when you guys got here, but it was just a conversation just kept going. And the thought just before we started recording occurred to me, I think what we should do is set up a camera and a microphone in the green room, because you're not the only one. Like the conversations unfold over there before we start recording and after. I think we might set up that for like, you know, before and after kind of conversations or record that and maybe release it to the members or something like that. So if like if you're a member right now listening and watching and you think that's a good

idea, just let us know in the comments or emails or whatever. I don't know on the app or whatever. But when we were over there talking, one of the things you brought up kind of like I was putting this artwork together. It stopped me in my tracks. And you said, and actually I tell Derek, stop. talking. Let it talk. Because I was like, and I made a note here. I have two different notes because my notes are done in words and phrases. I don't make long sentence notes. I wrote down

goals of the fallen, which I couldn't totally recognize why I put that there. But then I also put down rivalry of the fallen. And that's where I'm going to open up with and I'll let you kind take it from where from there. I, so Liam Neeson, and I forget what that movie's called, but he's like, I have a particular set of skills. Taken. Taken.

That's what else are my favorite movies. I love that. So, like, that line always pops in my head with when I try to, like, tell people what I do, right? Like, I, I don't have a bag full of many tricks. I got a deep bag of one trick, right?

And so it's like, I don't, I don't really have any delusions as I'm not, I'm not a scholar, right? But through this show, I have talked to lots of people and their experiences with the supernatural and perspectives. And I have come to this understanding because of lots of people that I've talked to that have essentially gone through situations where they have been recruited to work for entities. and I've never come across somebody who's had the same entity approached them. And not everybody gets a name.

Some people do. The most recognizable name has been Ball. Ball, yeah, yeah. And after you start hearing this, you, I mean, you start drawing conclusions, trying to understand this. And I came to this thought that, and I started sharing. it with other Christians and people that I talk about this. And nobody ever refutes it, but nobody's like, oh, yeah, totally either. But I just humbly put on the table before people

that I believe that these entities who have such a huge ego clearly and pride issues, that they would rebel against the one who created them that they were before. They were in his presence. And they, for whatever reason, had this pride to say, you know what, I got it from here. Right. If that pride is there to do that, I got to imagine that they think that they're better than one another as well. Oh, yeah. And I believe that this recruitment process is part of that. Maybe not the whole thing.

But this idea that I try to share with people is that I think that the number one enemy is God. And at the end of the day, they all have the same agenda. in the meantime, there is jockeying for position. Yes. And you started relaying that messaging over there. And I was like, hold on a second, because I can't recall hearing somebody relay. Basically, I was like, were you listening to my brain and my thoughts? And so if we could open it up there and, you know, share your thoughts on what I just talked about.

and if you have any things to add to it, and we can kind of let it go from there. Sure. I think we, as human beings, we have this tendency to want to anthropomorphize the spiritual. We want to make God and the fallen angels. I don't like his word term angel, because angel, because angel comes from the Greek Anglos, which just means messenger. That's a job description. What they're called, they are the Elohim.

And yes, God is called Elohim as well, because Elohim is not a name. It is a designation of residency. In the Bible, if you reside, if your residency is the spiritual realm, you are an Elohim. If your residency is Earth, you are called man. And notice that when these Elohim come down to Earth, they're called men. Not because they are suddenly flesh and blood, but because they're currently dwelling on Earth. So that's why when you see them in the Bible, they're referred to as men. So I just want to put that out there as just a little nomenclature.

So we want to make them like us. We want to make them the same as we are. And we have a boss. We have a CEO or president, someone like that. And the rest of us are under them. And so we think the same thing about the Elohim realm. And we put the entity we call Satan, the light bearer, the Nahash from the Garden of Eden. He is number one.

And all the rest of the angels are his minions. The rest of the Elohim are his minions. And, you know, he's up on his throne and all the other Elohim are just, you know, taking orders from him. Not the case. You cannot find that biblically. That that is the case. Now, is he powerful? I'll just, you know, keep calling him Satan for that sake.

Is Satan powerful? Of course he is. But there are other powerful angels as well. There's other, there are other cherubim. There's other seraphim, other watchers who are powerful as well. And as you said, they are jockeying for position. They have the same general goal, which is to overthrow the will of God, the plan of God, to upset the plan of God.

But they have different methodologies for getting there. And that's why we have wars. So let me back up a bit. So we have the. incident at Babel. At Babel, you have a Nimrod, and all the people of the world are of one mind, and their goal is to build this tower, this Ziggarot, and to make a gateway. They want to invade heaven. And God says that if I don't do something, they will succeed. Nothing will be withheld from them that they want to do, and what did they want to do? They wanted to make this tower. They would have

succeeded. So what does God do? God confuses their languages, separates them out into 70 nations. Of course, more than 70 now, but at the time there were 70 and some of the other, we have over 200 nations in the world, but they're derivatives of the original 70. He confused their languages into 70, and we learned in Deuteronomy 32 that he have divided the nations according to the number of the sons of God, of the Beniah Elohim. Now, different translations say he divided them according to the number of the sons of Israel. That's a mistranslation. How could he do that? Israel wasn't a a nation, then they wouldn't, Jacob, who is Israel, wouldn't be born for another few hundred years. So the proper translation, he divided them up according to the number of the sons of God, of the Elohim the angels.

So he put, and he made Israel his nation. So the goal was that God would start dealing with the world through these other nations, and Israel would be the nation through whom, who would be his representative, his ambassadors. That's why he gave them the law so that they would obey the law, they would know who Jehovah was, they would know what his precepts, they would know his goal of having a Messiah, come and and die for our sins and redeem us so that the world can be redeemed. And the goal was that if they obey the law, the Israelites would be blessed materially. And other nations would come and say, hey, what's going on with you, Israelized?

Why are you so well blessed? Well, because we follow God's law. Well, okay, we'll follow it too because we want to be blessed similarly. And the Elohim were supposed to shepherd them into that. However, all we find that by the time of the Exodus, all of the Elohim had fallen. Why did they fall? These were good angels. These were part of his counsel.

If you read the works of the late Dr. Michael Heiser, he talks about the divine counsel. These were God's trusted Elohim. They fell because they allowed themselves to be worshipped. They all allowed themselves to be worshipped. And worship is, well, let's look at what worship is. Worship is the transference of spiritual energy from us to whatever we're worshipping. That's what we do when we worship. We are being spiritually intimate with.

with something. And we human beings, we're hardwired to worship. We can't not worship. You're going to worship something. I don't care if you believe in God or not, or if you even consider yourself an atheist. You're worshiping something. You are giving yourself over spiritually to something. And if it's not God, it's something else. In the book of Psalms, it says that, I don't know the chapter that verse in front of me, but it says that you become like what you worship. So that's why God wants us to worship him, not because of his ego. He wants us to worship him so that we become like him. If you share your spiritual energy with God, you're going to become like God. But the transverse of that is if you share your energy, your spiritual energy with something else, you're going to become like that.

If you worship sex, which many people do, what are you going to become? You're going to become like sex. You're going to become lascivious. You're going to think about nothing else but sex. You're going to become obsessed with it. That's going to be your God. If you worship money, you're going to become cold and transactional. If you know anyone who's a rich person or even a person who just who is trying to get in,

money and money is their God. They're going to become cold, transactional, lack of empathy, but like money. It can even go down to something as simple as your sports team. I grew up in L.A. And at the time, the Raiders were in Los Angeles and they had this reputation of being like the thugs of the NFL. You know, gang members would wear their colors. You know, NWA would always wear raider colors like that. And if you go, if you went to a game and you got out of their life, you would see that the Raider fans would dress like thugs. they were taking all they were becoming like the image of what they worshipped and you know you name the sports team you're going to be you're going to take on that image of them because go ahead even even with

that uh just to kind of draw on that imagery i grew up in the philadelphia area in the early 2000s alan iverson and his imagery not only did take over uh the NBA but the city like i mean it was very much like he was a he was a culture mover and it became this this i don't want to say worship but it was worship full for sure yeah no we loved a i he was a great player yeah it was but that brings us to people and and and elohim and the effect that worship has on them because only god can handle worship is powerful okay worshiping something is powerful giving that spiritual energy over to something is powerful and only god only yahweh jehovah can handle that worship people cannot and that's why our celebrities tend to go nuts because they're being, they're quasi-worshipped.

You go to a concert. It's true. What are you doing? You're holding your hands up. You're crying. You're giving your oblation to this person. You're singing like them. You're walking and talking like them.

We can't handle that as human beings. That is too much for us. And that's why celebrities tend to go off the deep end because one of the reasons why they go off the deep end because they are not. There's this thing called M.K. Ultra, too, if you'd ever heard of it. Well, that's a whole other thing. But even people who haven't been M.K. U.K.

Ultrad, they, that status really affects them tremendously. And yeah, M.K. Ultras is a big part of this well because a lot of these, as you know, a lot of these celebrities have gone through that and they're positioned that way. But, but, but even, even so, they still, they still get warped by it. But that's, that's also true of the fallen Elohim. Worship is like heroin to, to them. It's addictive. They want more and more of it. So let's look at the scenario. Let's say that you were, you're a good angel at the time. You were putting. over a nation. You'll say you were put over Mesopotamia, Persian, or Persian, that area. You were the Elohim of that area. And remember, at Babel, that's where false worship began. Because Nimrod,

his wife slash mother, Cimaramus, she was worshipped as the mother goddess. Nimrod was worshipped as the father god. And their child, Tammuz was a divine child. And when the nations were divided, you notice that that same idea of a divine father, mother or queen of heaven, and divine child migrated into all the other cultures. We see it in Egypt, which was the next dominant world empire. You have the mythology of Osiris, Isis, and Horus. Same kind of deal. You go, you take it to Mesopotamia. You have Ishtar or Astarte, who is also called the Queen of Heaven in the Bible. You can find these statues, these mother-child statues, all over the world because that religion, that first false religion went through the entire world. That's why in Revelation chapter 17 and 18,

have this entity with John sees a vision of, this wonder, who's called the Mother of Harlots, Babylon the Great Mother of Harlots, the original Harlot. That is, to a degree, Semiramis, but also all false religion, because all false religion began at Babel. So they were used to, so the people at Babel were used to worshipping these entities. Oh, and by the way, just to make all of your Catholic listeners upset, that say when Catholicism became a big thing after Constantine, first he legalized Christianity, and then his third successor, Theodosius, made Christianity the official religion of Rome

under penalty of death. So all the pagans were forced to convert. You can't force a conversion. They were still pagans, but they pretended to be Christians, and they were called it. So you had the churches flooded with unrepentant pagans who were causing a ruckus. And it was decided, well, what do we do about this?

Well, let's just rename, let's Christianize some of these pagan gods and symbols And so then that'll make it easier for them to transition to Christianity. And then we'll just phase it out. Well, never got phased out. So basically Christian names were just slapped on these entities, including the mother child, which is why you always see Mary with the baby Jesus. That's just the Christianization of the mother child cult that goes all the way back to Babel.

Wow. So is, wow. And Catholics call Mary the queen of heaven. Yeah, yeah. And if you read in the Bible, what is the queen of heaven is not. Not the good guy. Not the good guy. Not the good girl.

I think it's in Jeremiah where it talks about the queen of heaven. But I pulled this up because while you were talking, it just kind of, you mentioned about how people, humans are not meant to be worship. We can't handle it. And I think there's even as much as he put his foot in his mouth throughout the scripture with Peter, I think there's words of wisdom here that he said, and it kind of goes to even what you were just saying with the Catholic, where it's like he is a saint, right? So there is a level of worship there. But even Acts 10, 25, and 26, he said,

as Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. But Peter made him get up. And this is quote, stand up, he said, I am only a man myself. Exactly. And it's like what, and this verse really was something that helped me years ago when I was driving truck and the Pope came and visited Philadelphia. And I was really newly in my for real walk, you know, without the crutches of family and stuff. And it bothered me

that I saw so many religious people because I didn't, I didn't know the differences between much of anything. And one would say I still don't. But like, I was, it really bothered me seeing the people crying and bowing, essentially, and begging to kiss his hand. And I brought it up to a pastor friend of mine that I used to talk with. And he said, you know, it's just culture. It's just the way they do things. And I was like, no, man. And I pulled the scripture of it. I said, Peter himself denied the worship. Like, why is this dude doing this? You know? And it's, that verse, though, I think, can be applied obviously to the pope, but also St. Peter, Mary, and even celebrities, the idea that as human beings, we're not meant to be worship. That's for somebody else. Exactly. We're the ones that

worship. Right. Yeah. And Peter denied this. Peter never, it's funny. It's interesting because Peter is considered the first pope in Catholicism. He is, so, and they consider themselves all the the popes, the spiritual descendants of Peter, whereas Peter, I think, would be horrified. It probably is horrified now that this is being done in his name. Peter says, I am your fellow elder. I am not above you. It's almost as if the Holy Spirit anticipated this. And of course, they use it based on the, you know, the verse where Jesus says, thou are Peter. And upon this rock, I will build my church. And of course, thou are Peter. And upon this Petra, different word, I will build my church. A petra is a, is a plateau. It's a huge stone. She's saying, Peter, you're a little faith. Because Peter say, you know, thou are Christ is some of the living God. And upon in Europe, you're a little rock. But upon this mountain. I will build my church. I don't want to go down a rabbit hole with that, but that's what they used to justify it,

and this unbroken line of secession, which there is no historic evidence for. In fact, there were only two documents that was used in antiquity by the papacy to justify their reason for believing that Peter was the first pope, and there's this unbroken line of secession. And it's called the Isidoreum to Cretels, and this one, and the other was called the donation of Constantine,

both of which are proven and acknowledged by the Catholic, the church to be fraudulent documents, yet they still call themselves that. They're not the descendants of Peter. They're the descendants of Constantine. He was the first Pope. He was the first person who called themselves a Christian and also called themselves Pontifex Maximus, which is the title that the Pope has to this day. But in any case, Peter and Paul were, were, became saints because they replaced Romulus and Remus, the two gods who founded Rome. So that's what they go. So they basically slapped their names on it. So, wow. But getting back to, unless you want to talk about it.

No, no, go for it. Go, yeah. So, so getting up the interview. My brain goes bobs and wheeves. So you got to keep me on track sometimes. Same. Yeah, I will go down a rabbit hole and we'll spend the entire show talking about something I never even came in to talk about. But so how does it affect the angel, the fallen Elohim?

So the people in this and the nations were used to worshiping Nimrod and Simeramus and Tammuz. So when they have an Elohim over them, and I believe they interacted with these, with these, uh, Elohim. the gods. And we, we tend to believe that people in ancient times, they were just a bunch of primitives, a bunch of knuckle-dragging, troglodytes, who, who only believed in the so-called gods because they were unscientific. They couldn't explain the rain and the harvest. So they said, there's a god of the rain. There's a god of the harvest, blah, blah, blah, blah, God of fire. No, they didn't believe in these gods because they were superstitious. They believed in these gods because they interacted with them. We don't have time to get into the whole speed of light thing. That would be another time. I might bring it out because I find that interesting. Well, if we have done, we'll bring it up. But the bottom line is because the speed of light was faster in the past and our brains are electric, our neurons fire when we have a thought, which means if the speed of light was faster in the past and we can dive into the physics of that,

that means that their brains were much faster than ours in the past, which means that their perceptions were probably greater than ours, so they could probably perceive the spiritual realm better than we can. So they were worshipping these entities because they interacted with them. So you are, you were already worshipping Nimrod, Simurabas, and Tammuz. Now you're putting into another nation and you have an Elohim over you. You're going to worship that Elohim. And worship to these entities is addictive.

As I said before, it's like heroin to them. And if you, hopefully you're not a drug addict listening, but if you are or if anyone of your family member or friend, you know what it's like when someone you have an addiction. You want more and more of it because you reach this plateau and you need to. to have a bigger dose. You need more. Are you going to start to... Think about you scrolling on Instagram. Yeah, doom scroll. You need more and more. There's a reason for that. It's addicting. That's what they want with the worship.

And they all fell because of this. And we see in Psalms 82, where Jehovah judges them, where God says, he says to them, he says, God sits in the council of the gods among his council. And he says to them, I'm paraphrasing, where he says, I put you over these nations. You were supposed to judge them fairly, but you didn't do that.

And he says, you are Elohim, son of the most high, but you're going to die like men. That's their judgment that they're going to die like men. Well, that's when we get, that can get us back to the false apocalypse because at the sixth seals when the stars of heaven are cast down to earth, that's an idiom for the angels, for the fallen Elohim. They're going to be cast down to earth. They're going to be taken out of their first estate, as Jude called it, and they're going to be forced to materialize physically. on the earth. Why? So that they can be judged. The judgments of Revelation are not intended for humanity. God's will for humans is to be with him. However, you have a choice. If you do want to be with him, then you will be with him. But if you don't, if you're still on earth, when the time of

judgment happens, unfortunately, you're going to have to deal with the judgments that he designated for those fallen Elohim. So they're going to be forced to be flesh. We're not necessarily flesh. They're going to be, they're going to be forced to be material, to be corporeal, so that they can have so that they can be judged. What does that look like then? Project Bluebeam. Okay. They know this is happening.

The Elohim can read, the angels can read the Bible the same way as we can, but they know what's happening. They know what's coming soon. So they're getting us ready for it. So when they materialize on Earth, where are your space brothers,

or where are the ascended masters? We're your creators. And we've come to you at this vital time in your history to shepherd you into the new age. And, oh, and our guy here, this antichrist, his beast, he's your new leader. So they have this, I think they have this already set.

And I talk about that in my book on the false apocalypse. This is how they're going to do it. And we'll get into, maybe if we have time, we'll get into the Antichrist and my thoughts about him and that head wound and how he comes back and what he is. But getting back to the Elohim, so who are being worshipped. So let's say you were, one of the Elohim, you get worshiped. You're the Elohim who's over Mesopotamia. You are being worshipped.

You're digging it. You're getting your heroin fixed. Everyone, your heroin fixed, rather. You are being worshipped by everyone in Mesopotamia. 100% of them are worshipping you. But you want more. How do you get more? Well, the only way to get more of that worship is to get worship from people in another nation.

And the only way to do that, you have to conquer that nation. But that nation has another Elohim over them. So you've got to fight because the Elohim always work with the leaders, with the kings, with the priests, with the prime ministers, whoever, with the czars, whoever you, whatever you call them, they are always, and even to this day, these so-called elites are all worshipping

these fallen entities. They're the ones who want war. No human being wants war, as we talked about in the green room. No one wakes up one day and says, you know what I want to do today? I want to grab a gun, march into a country I've never heard of and kill a bunch of people I've never met. No, what do we want to do? That's your name John Bolton.

Well, that's your name John Bolton. And who knows who's influencing him. We do know. Facts. Facts. Thank you. So it does come down to the spiritual level. It always comes down to them. Because what do we want as human beings?

We want to, we want our own plot of land. We want to find someone who we love and who loves us. And if you're into, if you want a kid, you want to raise up kids. And you want to just hang out with your. Just want to watch a grass grow, man. Watch a grass grow. You want to eat and drink and be happy and just have your, have your little fiefdom. We don't want that.

I don't want to go to war with anyone. Only, only the world leader. and the Elohim who they worship want war. Why? Because they want that worship, and that's where the hostility comes into place. So again, they all have the same general goal, which is to overturn the plan of Jehovah. We're going to talk about what that plan is and how the Nephilim fit into that. But they want that. They have the same goal, but they have different methodologies to get there. So again, as I said, we want to anthropomorphize them.

We want to make them like us. We have this idea that Satan is the big bad guy, and they all bowed down to him, as I said before. That's not, but that's not the case. They are always having conflict because you think, wait a minute, if they're all on the same page, why is their world conflict? Why do people have different ideas of what they want? Why are Russia and China going against, you know, America and the West? Because the Elohim that are over those nations are not, they, as you said, they all, they think that their way is the best way. You have different factions.

You have the Luciferians versus the Molokians. The Luciferian types are more about science and enlightenment and that sort of thing. The Molokians are more about, you know, death and destruction. They have their, they both want the same thing, but they have different methods of getting there. So they are not completely in lockstep as far as how to do it. We can talk about not to get too political, but you know that no matter who's in the White House, Democrat or Republican, we're all kind of, we're moving in the same direction. Yeah. That never changes.

Never changes. But the arguments of how to get there change, is it going to be crony capitalism or is it going to be socialism? You know, are we going to be hyper-nationalistic or are we going to be, you know, world government sort of thing to get there? So they all want to get to the same place, but they have different methods to get there and they clash with each other. Wow. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about our sponsor today, which is Ghostbed.

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But I think that we don't really account for their role in the equation as much as we should. And I was just saying to Derek this morning before he went to grab you, like, I know I've heard this all the time growing up. There's not a demon under every rock. And I said, Derek, actually there is. Like I was like, I'm not saying that everything I do wrong in my life or somebody does wrong in life is because it was a demon that made them do it.

But there is a job at hand here, and their job is to tempt us. Their job is to leave us away from the Lord. And so when temptation comes, that's what's like, that's the rock part. Like I overturn that rock, temptation flies in my face, and I have to make a decision, do I give into that temptation or not?

The temptation's not the sin. The sin is actually giving into the temptation. Right. And I feel like when I brought the John Bolton stuff and the politics stuff that you just mentioned, And it's like there is a supernatural force that we, I think, are just conditioned not to see as the reason why things are the way they are. Right. I was talking to Derek and we were we were kind of postulating as to why these entities want to stay hidden. Why are the, why are the cryptids always deep in the forest somewhere?

Why are all these things happening? And I think it's because their modus operandi right now is to be hidden. I think before they were they were out there. You know, people had supernatural experiences. We saw, we see throughout the Old Testament. and people are possessed by demons and no one blinks an eye. I won't say don't blink an eye, but it's not like, oh my God, this is, this is the thing I've never seen before.

No, they knew, they saw miracles. But now they, their, their MO seems to be to stay on the down low. Do you think there's like a rule or a law that's in place that keeps them on the downlow? Possibly. It could be the restrainer that we read about in Second Thessalonians, that chapter two. It could be that the holy, and I believe that restrainer is the Holy Spirit as he, as he indwells the believing church, which is, I think we talked about in the last episode on the little season when we see evil growing.

It's not because Satan is getting more control because he's stronger. I think it's an inverse of the weakness of the church. As a church gets weaker, the evil gets stronger. You know, as light is dimmed, darkness comes in stronger. So I think that's one of the reasons. I think they may be restrained a little bit more, and I think it may be to their advantage because here's what we have to remember. We as Christians, we have power over this realm.

Jesus told us in Luke chapter 10, I've given you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, which are idioms for these fallen entities, and nothing will by no means hurt you. James says, submit to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you. He will run like a scared little girl. And you have people on your show tell you many times

they're being oppressed and they say the name Jesus, and these entities, they're gone. So right now, I think one of the reasons they may be hidden is because if they come out and true Christians say, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus, They got to go. It's like, we need to stay on the down low and keep ourselves hidden because, and this is what, I didn't talk about this during the little season thing, because in order for the little season to be true,

Satan would have had to have hot hit so much stuff. He is not that powerful. Satan can deceive. That's the only power the Bible shows he has. Now, that doesn't mean he can't do other miraculous things. Levitation and all these kind of things we see these entities do, but he does not have the power to overcome and hide the word of God and prophecy. And keep in mind, I'll say this last thing, I'll let you go, is that not only is Satan not more powerful than God, which you'd have to be in order to subvert a third of the Bible, which is in time's prophecy. Not only is he not more powerful than God.

If you're a Christian, Satan is not more powerful than you. The Antichrist cannot be revealed as long as there is one, Holy Spirit and dwelt believer on the earth. He cannot be revealed. That's why Paul said in Second Thessalonians, the spirit of lawlessness, the lawless one, the Antichrist. He says it's already at work in the first century, but he who restrains will do so until he's taken out of the way. So Satan is not this Machiavellian villain like, you know, like the emperor in Star Wars, you know, sitting on his throne saying, you know, good, good. My plan is slowly coming together. No, he's been trying to do this since day one, but he's being restrained.

And once every strain was taken out of the way, then and only then will the lawless one be revealed. So we as Christians are presence here in the Holy Spirit. who indwells us, we are stopping a lot of these things from happening. We are the restrainer. Yeah, we are restrainer as with the Holy Spirit who lives inside of us. And once we're taken out of the way, then it says the lawless one will be revealed, but he cannot be revealed before that. Paul makes that very clear.

So that's, go ahead. So I just want to make a comment here because it's funny because everybody's a little different. And I can tell when you and I are talking, you actually read the person as well. So you actually can see when there's a thought going that needs to come out. I find it funny because you've mentioned that a couple of times today and yesterday, and most people don't do that. So I actually commend you for that.

But I think it's pretty interesting because I read people because I talk to people all the time, right? So I learned how to read the by language, but not everybody does that. But anyways, you brought up the name of Jesus. I think that's what you brought up. But it got me thinking about the power of the name of Jesus. And I just, a friend of mine just shared a story with me that happened to him. He's a pastor in Alabama, Larry Raglan. And he was, he and I were just together in Florida.

You familiar with Jonathan Con? Yes, I am. So we had an opportunity to interview and both of us did. And so after our interview, we were talking and we said, hey, let's record. So we recorded an episode there. And we got to talking about Lilith and, you know, the queen of heaven and all this stuff. And he had, he had an attack after that conversation. And he said that I think the way he, I might butcher a little bit, but he'll forgive me.

It started out in the dream. And he wakes up. And he's like halfway between here in the dream. And he opens his eyes and she's laying on the bed with him. And he's completely paralyzed. He can't move. He can't speak. He can't nothing.

And he's trying to rebuke her in the name of Jesus. And he can't. He can't move his mouth. And I've always wondered, because I've never had sleep paralysis. And people say, rebuking the name of Jesus during sleep paralysis. And I have wondered, because I talked to several people who have had this and they've rebuked. and clearly they spoke something. So they're paralyzed,

but they can still move their mouth. But I always wondered, is there ever a situation where somebody is so paralyzed that can't even move their mouth to speak the name of Jesus? What happens then? Well, Larry, that happened to.

And what I found so interesting is that he was able to still rebuke because he said, it was like the supernatural, the spirit man in him was screaming for Jesus. and rebuking, and she had to go. Once that spirit man was able to rebuke,

his physical body couldn't. And I felt like his experience just really paints the power of Christ, the power that we hold from within, like literally from within, because his carnal flesh couldn't do anything. But the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling within was able to overcome or overcome that whole attack. And I feel like I wanted to stress that because there are a lot of people who go through

these attacks and they don't totally understand what kind of influence and power they have through Christ. And you bring in that up just maybe give me an opportunity to highlight that. Yeah, it's really a shame that we do not flex the power that we have. Because it's just not taught anymore. Right. The power that we have over this. spiritual rhyme is really not taught. And we have massive power over us because we know that Jesus,

why did Jesus come? Yes, of course, he came to save us. He came to die for our sins. But he came to undo everything that Adam lost. He came to give us back all of that. And what, in addition to having control over the earth and having fellowship with Jehovah, which is really what Jesus wants. He wanted us. Jesus spent much of his ministry telling us Jehovah story over and over again. Why? We talked about stories in the last episode. Why, the Bible is Jehovah's story. It's not just, it's not a textbook. It's not a history book, although there's history there. It's not a book. It's not meant to be a book of inspiration, although there is inspiration there. The purpose of the Bible is his story so that we can know him, so that we can have fellowship with him. That's what my

ministry, faith by reason is all about. It's about helping Christians enhance their walk with God by helping them understand who God is, his character, his nature, so that you know him, him and also that you know what's not him. So that if you know God really well, as someone presents a God to you that is nothing like that, you can reject it instantly saying, that's not the God I know, but you have to know him first.

All warns against that in First Galatians, I believe. Yeah, yeah, in Galatian. Yeah, he absolutely does. Our first Galatians, Chapter 1 of me. It's okay. But so Jesus wanted to do that. He wanted to increase our fellowship, so he kept telling Jehovah's story,

but he also came to give us power over the Elohim realm as it is on earth. Because Adam was the king, and Adam and Eve were the king and queen of earth. They could decide who had dominion over the earth. They could decide who could interact with them. So they could technically say to an Elohim, you got to go. Earth is our domain. If we don't want you here, you're not doing right, you can go. You got to be out of here.

That's interesting. Yeah, they had the power over them. And Jesus came to give us back that power. That's why when Jesus commissioned the 70 and sent them out, what did they say? They came back astonish saying that, Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name. And he hadn't even died yet, by the way. Jesus was still alive during this point. And Jesus said, yeah, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

You have power over that guy. So we have the power. We just don't exercise it because we haven't been taught it. And who knows by the time this airs, this might be happening because I'm going to probably start teaching their spiritual warfare clouds over my Patreon. Because people are getting a lot of spiritual attack right now, and I've been asked for it. And so I might be doing that spiritual warfare class because it's not, yes, casting them out in the name of Jesus. You can do that, but sometimes it's more complicated. Sometimes some of them are really powerful.

And we talked about this yesterday when we were having dinner, that there's something about the names of these entities. Once you know their name, that gives you power, an additional amount of power over them. Because if you remember when Jesus was casting out a demon, a certain demon called Legion, he cast, he said, be gone out of him. Because it was a man who had all these hundreds or thousands of demons in him. And first Jesus said, come out of him. Nothing happened. Then Jesus said, what's your name? He compelled it.

And Jesus, and he said, I'm legion for I am many. Then Jesus could cast him out because there was something about that name, knowing the name of an Elohim. offer some kind of of power to some kind of of covenant bond that happens there. And that happens even with God because we see it in the book

of Exodus when God is talking to Moses, when he's commissioning Moses to free the Israelites from captivity in Egypt, he says, I'm giving you my name, Y, H-W-H-Y-H-Y-H-H-Yahuah

or I use a German transliteration, Jehovah. And people always say, are you a Jehovah's Witness? No, I just use Jehovah because it's easier for me to pronounce than Yahweh. So, anyway,

he gave Moses his name, name. And he says, I'm given the Israelites my name as part of our covenant. And I've never given my name to anyone before that. He says, no one knew his name, his covenant name, before the Israelites, meaning even Abraham. And Abraham and Jehovah were tight. He called Abraham his friend, but even Abraham didn't know his name. Why? Because that name is some type of covenant bond. And so now the Israel, so he bound, he bonded himself to the Israelites, being that no matter how many times they screwed up, and the Old Testament is basically 90% of it is Israel screwing up.

They were bound together. So knowing an entity's name gives you a bond to them and some type of power relationship, which is why these entities never want to tell you their name. They don't want to do it. We don't know the entity we call Satan. We don't know his name.

Satan is a title. It means the adversary. Go into that because you talked about it yesterday at dinner. Lucifer, which is Lightbearer, Halal bin Shikar, Lightbearer, Son of the First Light. That's a title, not a name. In the Garden of Eden, the serpent, which is an unfortunate translation, the word is Nakhash in Hebrew.

Nakhash can mean snake if it's used as a noun. It's not used as a noun in Genesis chapter 3. It's used as a title. And as a title, Nakhash means the enchanter or the shining one. So Adam and Eve were not talking to a garden snake on a tree. They were talking to a shining, luminousin being. They were talking to an Elohim. And they weren't freaked out about it because wouldn't you be, if a snake started talking to you, you'd be like, whoa, this isn't, this isn't right.

No, but they were used to interacting with the Elohim because Adam and Eve were a part of God's counsel. They were on God's holy mountain. Eden was a garden on top of a mountain. That's where it was. And we see that in Ezekiel, where in Ezekiel 28, when a lament against this fallen one, this Nakash, he says, you were in Eden, the garden of God, on God's holy mountain. So that's where they were. So they were used to interacting with these creatures, and they were used to interacting with the Elohim. That's why they didn't have a problem talking to the Nakhash.

But again, Nakhash just means lightbearer. We don't know the name of Satan. We don't know his actual name. Now, he presents himself, and other Elohim present himself by different names, Molok, Baal, Dagon, Kronos, you name it, but those aren't their names. That's just what they present themselves as, because once you have their name, you have power over. So that is really interesting because, I mean, we've talked about Ball a lot on the show and not Moloch a ton. But it's like those are the names that we associate with that entity because that's the name that I guess has been given to us by them.

Is that what you're saying? But it's not their true name. Not their true name. I mean, Bahal is a storm god. He is the Phoenician and Canaanite storm god. you go to the Greeks, that same god is called Zeus. Gotcha.

You could go up north to the Nordic areas. That's Thor. Or Or Or Dene. One entity, many faces for depending on the audience. Dagon, the fish god. If you notice, I'm really going to tick off the Catholics. But you notice that, who wears a,

if you look up the ancient Dagon headdress, it's a fish with an open mouth. Look at what does a Pope wear? His little pointy head. Oh. It's the Dagon. Interesting.

Wow. It's the exact same head dress as the ancient priest of Dagon would wear. Okay. Oh. Wow. So you're going to be doing this spiritual warfare teaching. Yeah. I'm setting up the curriculum now.

Okay. So maybe by the time it's airs, it might be something that people can sign up for. For sure. Yeah. That'd be cool. When do you think it's going to be done? Probably early next year. I'm working with a good friend of mine who was one of my mentors in this area, and I told him about it, and he says, yeah, I want to help you. So we'll set up the curriculum. It's going to be a small group, so you don't have to get in on it because it's really going to be some intimate stuff happening. And I can't do it with a lot of people. Sure. Yeah. So, yeah. Because part of the spiritual warfare is how you speak to these entities. I think that's what I was getting at. You can say, oh, yeah, cash you out in the name of Jesus. That might work for some of the weaker ones, but for some of the stronger ones, you have to do other things.

Jesus himself when he was talking to his disciples. And they tried to cast a demon out and they couldn't. And they said, Jesus, why couldn't we do this? And they said, well, this type only comes out through prayer and fasting. So you have to be in the right mindset. You have to have the right spiritual atmosphere around you to cast out the really powerful ones. And there are ways you speak to them in ways you don't speak to them. You don't get into conversations with them.

And some people say the same thing about AI, but that's the whole other thing. You don't get into conversations with them. You cast them out in certain specific ways. Interesting. I've come across that situation as well where people have said that, you know, rebuking the name of Jesus didn't work. Now what? And I remember when I first started hearing that, I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I told you. I have one bag, you know. This is all I had in the bag. But then I had started considering that very idea that's like, you know, even Jesus said by prayer and fasting these types. And it kind of, it opens the door. for the understanding, not that you're going to understand everything, at least for me, but for me it opened up the door of, okay, so there is more to it than just the name of Jesus. And here's the thing. I'll even say this as maybe to help further my point on that, I think I'm guilty of it for this, especially when I first started trying to understand and

use the power that Christ has given me. I believe that there are Christians. and non-Christians and there are people in this world who hear that and they look at it as like a magic trick or a genie or a, you know, the idea of a Trump car is like,

oh, all I got to do is pull out this Trump car throwing on a table and everything's taken care of now. And it's like, it's like, well, this kind of throws a monkey wrench in that, right? But I think that there is this casual nature to it that isn't healthy and that's why because it's more complex. There's different entities and empowers and

strengths and all that that you have to tend with. Yeah, there are different ranks. The lowest rank would be the demons, which are the spirits of fallen of dead Nephilim. Those would be the weakest, the strongest being the full, full blown fallen Elohim who are, you know, fully created by, fully God. Not fully God. Excuse me, fully created by God. They're 100% spiritual as opposed to Nephilim, which is a hybrid. those are going to take out it'll take a little bit more than just saying Jesus, I'll rebuke you in the name of the Lord. Now you're going to need to do some work

for them. Not that it can't be done, it can be done. We have that power, but we have to be in the right place. Jesus was obviously always in the right place. He was in constant communication with the father, so he knew exactly what to do. So we'd need to be in that constant communication. We'd need to be having our council meetings with God,

which is another thing we can do as Christians. We're part of that council now. We don't know that. That's another thing that I teach in my monthly Bible study, where I go through the entire Bible in 12 months once a month. And from the spiritual standpoint, and I show that one of the things we get as part of Christianity is we get to take Adam's place or like Adam at that council of God. We can come boldly before the throne of God and be a part of the council. And you have to be in that good standing, as it were, if you're going to take on some of these

really, really powerful entities. Otherwise, you're going to get wrecked. We remember in Acts, the seven sons of Skiba, which is one of the funniest, in unintentionally funniest aspects of Acts. It's just really funny where, you know, these guys who are not Christians, not believers, but they're trying to make money out of being, you know, demon chasers. They go into this one demon and they say, we cast you out in the name of the Jesus who Paul preaches. And the demon says, you know, Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you? And then he beats the tar out of him and strips him naked and they run out of the street and run under the streets. Slavs him on the butt.

Now get gone. So that just shows that you can't just say Jesus and happen happened. Now, you've got to be in right standing. Paul clearly was. And it's that we know Paul. We know Jesus, but you're nobody to us. Get out. Yeah.

So that's what happens. Let me ask you a question. So we're talking about the levels, the complexities, and you mentioned about demons and how they're the dead spirits or the spirits of dead Nephilim. All live to fallen angels, those who were in the presence of God, and rebelled. Is there anything in between those two?

Because we have, like, entities like Lilith, Ishtar. These are female entities. I'm drawn a blank on another female entity. Jezebel, Spirit, and things like that that. People talk about being a very reality thing that they wrestle with and they fight against these principalities. What do you think these principalities are? They're different ranks.

Absolutely. They're different ranks. I said the lowest rank would be, there would be a weak Nephlam. There are stronger ones. There are some Nephlin. If people who have... It's like a video game, man.

It's just like leveling up, man. You're leveling up. Final boss battle. If you've talked to people who were in that realm who are of spiritual warfare casting out demons, they'll say that some of these demons

are very infantile. They're almost childlike. They just, they pout and do these sorts of things. Then there are other demons who are still spirits of fall in Nephlin who are a little more regal. They're more powerful.

They're stronger. They're smarter. They're at different level. Then you talk about Lilith and other things. And you also, you have familiar spirits. We all have familiar spirits. Right now, our familiar spirit, good and bad, are right here with us. They know you intimately.

An example, a friend of mine, I was telling Derek this story, a friend of mine who, she's a Christian, but she's also a spiritual, and she wanted to commune with her dead aunt. So she goes to a medium. And she came back and asked her how to go. she says, oh, this medium brought forth the spirit of my dead aunt, and she was telling me all the things my aunt knew, like her favorite color and all these different things. And sometimes when I spent the summers with her, so it had to be real. I'm like, no, you were not talking to your aunt. You were talking to your aunt's familiar spirit, who's been with your aunt from day one. Day one, had been with her from day one and knew her intimately. That's what you were speaking to. You know, your aunt's, and hopefully in heaven.

But this familiar spirit, they're eternal. They don't die. So that was your aunt's familiar spirit. And when your aunt died, went on to the next one. So we talked about a demon under every rock. They're, yeah, literally, they're there. And we have our familiar spirits. And you know you have one because you've noticed that whenever you sin,

you always find yourself sitting in the same place. because that familiar spirit knows your trigger. And no matter how old are you try to be, no matter how good you try to be, there's always usually three areas where you always fall because those are the areas your familiar spirit knows.

One of mine is my temper, particularly when I'm in traffic. I don't have a temper, do I, Jack? Silence is golden. When I'm in traffic and somebody cuts me off, I am triggered. And that triggering goes back to my childhood. I had a rejection issue when I was a child.

When I was a child, my parents divorced when I was two years old. And in my infant brain, I blamed myself for that. They rejected me. They had nothing to do with me. They divorced me because they were having issues. But I took it on, and that familiar spirit was probably whispering in my ear as a child, this is you. You're unworthy.

There's something wrong with you. You are not what they would say. You're insignificant. that's my trigger. When someone makes me feel insignificant, I trigger. When I'm cut off on the road, that person is treating me like my life is insignificant. You're going to almost get me into a wreck. You don't care about me.

And that triggers that old wound from my childhood. Now some things I've worked through and I'm much better at it. But if I'm not in a good headspace and I'm already in a bad move or something for whatever, that familiar spirit knows, gets might to cut him off. And it's going to wreck him. he's going to get triggered and he's going to lose his temper and he's going to start acting dangerously and possibly kill himself on the road because I'm from California. We drive like crazy people out there.

It's supposed to be a coast of coast thing, Jersey and California. Yeah. Being for Philadelphia, the east coast of Pennsylvania is always like these Jersey drivers. The bigger the city you're in, the worst the traffic is because I, this is a completely different aside. I don't think God ever intended us to congregate in tight peck. Right out. What did he tell everyone? if she told Mo's, excuse not Moly, Noah,

spread out, fill the earth. He said that after, and what if they do? They did the opposite. They gathered together into a city under Nimrodney-Bild Babel. So when human beings get together in the city, bad ideas happen. It's like, I got an idea. No!

No, spread out. Go out into the country. Go out and, you know, just go out and have, we need space. We need to have our own little, our own area. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the familiar spirit thing.

And that's something we have to be, we have to be cognizant of that. So I want to kind of hit on this. again a little bit with these other entities. So let's just say, let's stay with the female entities, Lilith, Ishtar, Anani, Anani, Jezabelle, all that stuff. I'm assuming they're not fallen angels. They're not demons or, like, is Psalm 82 something that is

depicting the complexities in the sense that, like, was God, there talking to the fallen angels, or was he talking to other Elohim that he created that weren't the fallen angels, but kind of followed suit with rebellions? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. In Psalm 82, he was specifically talking about the ones he put over, the 70, he put over the nations, because he, because he's part of their council. But were those fallen angels? Yes, they were. Okay, so like in Daniel 10, the Spirit Prince of Persia is one of those. Yep, he was he's one of the 70s. The Spirit of Greece is one of those. Okay. And you see, they were, they were jockeying for position. Yeah. Because Daniel is one of my favorite books because it's one of my proof text. When someone

asked me a secular person, atheists ask me, why do you believe in the Bible? Why do you believe that your God is better than the God of Islam or whatever? Why do you believe in your God? Well, first of all, he's not my God. I didn't invent him. If I was never born, he'd exist. But the reason I believe in the Bible is because the Bible does something that no other holy book does. It's the only thing that proves that we have a transcendent creator. It tells a fusion before it happens. Quran doesn't do that. No other book,

provably, where prophecies have been given and then precisely, specifically fulfilled. And so I always bring up Daniel. Daniel,

Daniel wrote this book during the time of the Babylonian and then the Persian empires. The Greek empire was, they were just, you know, some city states in the Aegean.

Rome was nothing. But he prophesied the next two empires. He said that, after the Prince of Persia, the Prince of Greece will come. Then, of course, then we, when we see the prophecy of the four beasts, you know, the last beast is Rome.

So he gives prophecies of all these, this accession of beasts that will be the culmination of the plans of the fallen Elohim, which I guess maybe a good segue. And we can get back to the, well, let me address the whole other thing first. I believe that these entities, these female entities, they're also fallen angels. Now, granted, when we see, angels, they seem to always be men. Only holy angels are men in the Bible because they're doing

the will of God. And the reason they're male is not because they have male genitalia. They're presented as male because they have the role of male, just like God is called God the Father, not because God is biologically male, but because he has the role of the Father. And the angels, the Elohim, the good Elohim, serve the role of males. Our role is to be the protectors, the providers, and the servants. My wife loves it when I say that part. But that's what we're supposed to be. And that's what the angels always are. They're ministering spirits, ministering meaning serving. That's what they do. Now, the role of the woman is different. A role of a woman is to bear and nurture life and to also give good effects based on the causes.

As we're both husbands, our job as men is to give our wives good causes and then allow them to have beautiful effects from that. And men, when we get in trouble, it's when we try to produce effects. We're not supposed to. We're not supposed to tell a woman, here's what you do, here's how you do it. We protect you, we provide for you,

we serve you, and then we allow you to bring forth good effects. A practical way to look at this is a wise man when his wife asks him what his thoughts are on a decoration is,

whatever you think is beautiful, it's beautiful lady. Like, I have zero opinion on this. If you like it, I like it. That's what they do. And so women love hearing this and men, it's tough with that, but that's when you're happy because I don't want to, if you saw my apartment before, because my wife and I,

obviously I was living in my apartment first when we met and we were dating. And when we got married, we lived in my apartment for about a year as we were saving up to buy our home. I had a bachelor pat. I had a couch and a TV. Yeah. I didn't have a rug.

Oh, I had a dining table, which I think I got off Craigslist or something. Yeah. Because I did a rug for it. Right. I had the most expensive couch I could afford. I had the most expensive TV I could afford. Everything else was whatever. She comes in and within like a few months, the house is beautiful.

There's paintings there. There's flowers. I'm like, oh, okay, this is fine. But I just gave her the calls. And the cause was go make the house beautiful. I'm not going to tell you what to do. I don't care. I mean, I care.

I mean, I want my house beautiful. I'm like, I'm letting you do this. I'll provide you the means. I'll put the structure in place, but you're supposed to give me the good effects. And that's what she does. Our house is beautiful because my wife makes it beautiful. Because, you know, as a man, we don't have all that stuff.

We are on the same page. But keep in mind that we, the church, we're the bride of Christ. Jesus' role is a husband. He is to provide us a environment of provision and safety and leadership. And then he says, you make good effects through your uniqueness. That's what eternity is going to be. eternity is going to be you and I and other Christians being our unique selves and bringing that beauty to the new heaven and new earth. And God just wants to hang out with us. That is when God made

Adam and Eve, what did he say? I made you. I made this world. I gave you good causes. Go and make great effects. And then at the end of the day, in the cool of the day, let's walk and talk. We remember when they sin, what was God, what was Jehovah doing? He was walking in the cool of the day because he was like, well, this is what we do. And then he said, Adam, where are you? He didn't say that because he didn't know where Adam was. It was a lament. It was a cry of despair.

Adam, where are you supposed to be here? But you're not here because you send. You ruined everything. We were supposed to, your job, Adam and Eve, rule the world during the day. Make great effects. And then when you, when you, when, in the cool of the day when you're done, let's walk and talk and share stories. That's what he wanted in the beginning. And what does he get in the end?

the exact same thing. That's what God wants. That's the bookend of it. So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, so getting it back to angels before we go too far down that rabbit trail. The, that's what, so the good angels are male. That doesn't mean, or they depict themselves as male. They, they present themselves that way. The fallen angels are not restricted. So they can present as female for their own needs, for their own, and so they can present as as Ashroth, as Ishtar, as Inani, as a Jezebel figure. Not because they gender swapped, but because they don't have an inherent gender. So here's something that's going to maybe blow everybody's minds. And this is controversial. So disclaimer, controversy coming. We talked a little bit about this before. What is the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah? Go for it.

If you ask 99% of Christians, it was homosexuality. Yeah. You know, those two angels who look like men came to Sodom. And the men of Sodom said, let's go get them. let's go have intercourse with them. Was that the case? Well, if you look in the New Testament when they talk about what was the sin of Sodom,

the sin of Sodom was pride, fullness of pride, fullness of bread, not strengthening the hand of the poor. Homosexuality isn't mentioned. What? Now, that doesn't mean there wasn't an aspect of it there, but that wasn't their primary sin. When these men of Sodom saw these two men, they knew they were angels.

They knew they were Elohim. They didn't think, oh, here's some cute guys who just came in. No, it wasn't that. They wanted to have intercourse with angels. Why? Because when you have intercourse with angels, you produce Nephilim. They wanted to, the people of Sodom wanted to produce Nephilim.

L.A. Marzuli, he talks about how, when you go into the ruins of Sodom and Gomor on near the Dead Sea, you see Nephilim mounds. They were producing Nephilim. That's why God destroyed them. Not because God hates homosexuals. No, homosexuality is a sin, but so is lying. So is gossiping. So it's lusting after someone who's not your spouse. Granted, he considers it abominable because of the high regard he puts on marriage, because

marriage is a reflection of Christ in the church. So marriage is sacred, and the sexual act like that outside of marriage is abominable to him, but not because he loves homosexuals just like he loves liars like me. It's like he loves cheaters, like he loves the salt. So he would not destroy people for that sin. God's cataclysmic judgment throughout the Bible is only reserved for spiritual evil. The flood of the time of Noah

was not because men were behaving badly. The flood was to destroy the Nephilim. God has a zero tolerance policy for Nephilim. We talked about this a few minutes ago. In Revelation, the judgments are intended for spiritual evil and man is just going to be

a part of that because they chose to be there because they didn't choose God. God wants, he doesn't want to judge us. Judging is God's least favorite thing to do. That's why he spends so little time doing it. You know, when we get to the bowls of wrath at the end of Revelation, they're going to happen pretty quickly. God doesn't, no, we revel in it. When someone does us wrong, oh, I want them to suffer. That's not God. God wants to get it over with. He has to do it because

he is just. So he has to judge evil through his justice, but he doesn't want to dwell on it. He's going to pour out those bowls of wrath. He says, let's get this over with. I want to get to the good part. I want to get to the new heavens and new earth. So, but I've got to judge out of, out of my justice. being a good parent. So they were trying to make Nephilim. That's why they were, that's why they were judged that way. And because one of two ways, either they thought that, because remember, as I said, angels, the bad angels could present as male or female.

So they could get the genetics they needed from the men by directly having sex with them, or it's possible that they were talking about their daughters. Because when you look at the actual Hebrew, we want to know them. It doesn't necessarily mean that they wanted to actively have intercourse. they may have wanted to because your daughter was considered your proxy when you read in Leviticus about

uncovering nakedness that don't uncover your husband's nakedness it actually specifically says you are not to have sex with your father's wife that is your father's nakedness your daughter is your father's nakedness your daughter is your father's nakedness that is his property.

So they could have also been saying, we'll bring our daughters out to have. We want our daughters to have sex with these guys and produce more Nephilim. You know, the nakedest part, that was so clarifying when it came to Noah because I was like,

why the heck did he get so mad about him getting drunk, being naked, and his son seeing him naked? Like, that doesn't make any sense, but no, it's actually his son. son had, if I remember correctly, I remember hearing Heiser teach about it. Like, his son raped his mom. Yeah, that's the idea. Heiser puts forth that. And if that happened, heck yeah, you're out. Yeah, yeah. I might just kill you. Or it could possibly be that Canaan, the son did it, because

no one didn't curse Ham. Now, Ham saw the nakedness. He saw something going on. And he went and told his brothers. Now, Heiser, now Heiser believes that Ham did it. And, and, Hyder could be right. I have a ton of respect for He's changed my life. So Heiser believed that Ham had the intercourse, but then the question is, why did God curse Canaan? And and, and, uh, and, uh, Heiser's explanation is because though, that when he had intercourse with Noah's wife, she got pregnant and had Canaan. But that, that would be unfair to Canaan, because Canaan's just, he didn't, he didn't do anything wrong. He just happened to be the result of this, of this incident. But it looks like, but I interpreted as Ham went in and saw the nakedness.

And he went out and said, hey, my son Canaan is getting with mom. Don't blame me. Blame him. Right. And so, and then when Noah came out and he said, he saw what his younger son had done. Ham was not the youngest. Remember in the Bible, when you give the genealogy, you go from oldest to youngest. It was sham, Ham and Japheth.

Ham wasn't the youngest. Ham was the middle child. Shim was the oldest. Shem was the oldest. Ham was the middle child. Jopeth was the youngest. So he would not have been saying. But that term youngest son can also mean grandson.

Interesting. So, yeah, Ham wasn't the youngest. So he could not have been talking about him. That's really interesting. So, but Ham saw it. And Ham said, you know, I guess he was maybe bragging or boasting to his brothers about it. And the brothers go in. We don't want to see this.

They go in backwards and cover it. But, yeah, Canaan was one who was cursed. Wow. So I had this thought years ago and I shared it several times. I don't remember with who or else like, call them out. but my thought was people talked about the the nephalum and women giving birth to to these nephalum and how is that physically possible and what you were just saying goes back to what I was suggesting which was fallen angels if we know that they can transform their bodies to begin

with who's to say they can't transform their bodies to also be women and have relationships relations with human men where now the fallen angel could bore a giant nephalum baby without killing herself. Now, I'm okay being wrong with that because it's not even something I really think about a whole lot, but it was just a theory and thought

that when you were talking about the idea of the sexes of angels, I was like, well, I mean, technically, they probably could then. I won't dismiss the possibility, but here's my thought on it. Well, two things. I believe that the way, I believe that they were male. I could be wrong, but I do believe that all the fallen angels took on the male role. I'm going to talk about

that why it was important that they took on the male role, which we get their names, or hopefully those those are their names in Enoch, you know, Shims Semiaza, Azazel, you know, all these different angels who fell. But I think that the reason that the women could bear them is it goes back to the speed of light thing. Oh, because remember that our, we live in an electric simulation. The reason, you know, we talked about this before that the atom is mostly empty space. You know, the nucleus of the atom, which is the only part that has weight, is in the center. You have the electrons circling around at a ratio of 100,000 to 1. So as I said before, if you were to take, if you were able to enlarge a nucleus of an atom to the size of the head of a pin,

and you were to go to a football field and just put a dot at the 50-yard line, the electrons will be circling through each end zone. That's huge, and that's mostly empty space. So this table we're in front of, it's really, it's mostly empty space. Why is it solid? Because the electrons spinning around have a negative charge. And because, and that negative charge gives you the illusion of solidity. Like when you have two magnets, you know, if you put them together, they'll stick. But if you turn one magnet over to where negatives on negative, it physically repels. So imagine that physical force and multiply it by trillions, trillions of atoms, is going to, that's going to repel. So that's why my hand, which is made out of atoms, can't go through this table because that repellent forces, there, but it's still mostly empty space. But electrons are electricity. They're mostly light. And if their speed of light was much faster, exponentially faster, as much as 10,000 times faster, or let's say it's just several hundred times faster, that means that electron is spinning around

the nucleus hundreds of times faster, meaning that static electricity, that electric charge is exponentially faster. So back in time, these women might have been hardier. They would have had, they would have been physically stronger and possibly able to bear the Nephilim child. And that may be one of the reasons why it's not happening today because as speed of light slows down, our physical world is deteriorating in essence and becoming weaker. And so that's why I think when the Nephlema produced today, perhaps, perhaps it's done, you know, outside of the female body in laboratories or whatever because they can't take it at this point. That's wild.

Okay, go ahead. No, go ahead. So I want to get into why they're male. Okay. And this really gets into the core of the whole reason behind why the angels wanted the Nephilim to be produced. So we have to take a step back and look at what I consider a pre-ademic civilization. Not of humans. I don't believe there were any human beings on Earth before Adam and Eve.

I believe they were the first humans. But there was a pre-ademic civilization of the Elohim. As we see, Genesis chapter 1-1, in the beginning, God. created the heavens and the earth, the spiritual realm, and the material realm, period. That's a, that is an overview statement. But the earth became Tohu Babohu in Hebrew. It became formless and desolate. It was not created that way because it was chaotic. You cannot create chaos. That's a Nazi moron. You cannot create chaos is the, is the absence of order. It's like you can't create darkness. Darkness is the absence of light. So, and it says, and I believe in the book of Jeremiah,

specifically that God, he says when I made the earth, I made it to be inhabited. I did not make it Tohu. He says, I didn't make it Tohu Babohu. It became that way. So there was some type of judgment that happens that God doesn't expound upon there. But you can, you can, but since the angels were the only ones who were around, and we know this because in the book of Job, when God's giving Job his, that science lesson, he said, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? When the sons of God, when the benaiah Elohim sang for joy.

they were there. He created the heavens first and obviously the Elohim. Then he created the earth. And when he was laying the foundations of the earth, the angels were shouting for joy. So they were already there. So some type of rebellion happened there. And that's what I get into my Genesis series, which you can go if you go to my website or my Patreon. And there was some type of rebellion. And that rebellion was put down by God. And we see this. If we read the Hebrew of verse three, it says, you know, the spirit of God, there was darkness on the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved. hovered above the water that works water water is Maim which means it means filthy, dirty, chaotic so he is hovering over the chaos but it says darkness was on the face of the Taome. Teom is

if you look at it in the I believe it's it's Ugaritic mean it's the same word that in the Ugaritic that's used for an entity called Tiamat. Tiamat is a seven-headed dragon. Huh.

So and that it's correlates with the ancient Hebrew, in Hebrew call it Leviathan, in which we also see in Job, we also see it in the book of Isaiah. This is a giant serpentine entity. So it says darkness was on the face

of Tiamat or Leviathan, and God is standing over it. He just defeated this entity, that this original rebel, and then he recreates the earth and makes it for man. So originally, the earth was inhabited by the Elohim. This was part of their domain.

But after the rebellion, God says that the earth is now the dominion of man. Humans. What is man? What is Adam? Adam was formed from the dust of the earth. So he was made from the earth. So he's part earth. But he was also spirit.

God breathed into him the breath or the fruac of life. Fruak is spirit. God, he took man. So God didn't speak man into existence. God didn't say, let there be man. He formed man out of the earth. So the earth was his. The earth is us.

We are of the earth. We are made of the dust of the earth. But we have the spirit of God in us. We have a spirit in us. So what does that mean? That means that the earth is the purview of things that are physical, spiritual hybrids. That's what we are. So the angels don't have it anymore.

So some fallen angels, they look at this and they say, you know what? We have the earth. This is me using dramatic license. We had dominion over the earth. It was ours. But now God gave it to these man creatures, these spiritual human, hybrids, if we made our own, that's a legal loophole. So when you read Genesis chapter 6, again, the King James has an unfortunate translation.

It says, you know, there came a time when men began to multiply and they had daughters. And the sons of God, the Banaja Elohim, saw that they were in your Bible, might say fair or beautiful, and they took wives of them. Well, that word is unfortunately translated beautiful as if they desired them because they were cute. That's not the case. And even, you know, people like Tim Albarino, when he was, he was on a show recently. And again, nothing more respect for him. I like a lot of his work.

But I think he kind of misrepresented it a bit because he made it seem like these angels were like a bunch of frat boys out for a good time. They saw these girls and like, oh, look at them. You know, look at her boobs. Look at her butt. I lust for them in that way. They did lust for them, but not for physical sex. That would be unjust. Why?

Because if they had a sex drive, that means that God created them with a sex drive. that wouldn't make sense because angels don't have sex with each other and clearly God forbids them having sex with human beings. So why would God create them with a drive that they can only express in a sinful way? No, what they lusted after was getting the earth back and they saw a loophole. And he said, if we can, we, we saw the women that they were beautiful, that word is and beautiful. It means that they were desirable and it was translated beautiful. no desirable to get what they wanted and what they wanted was the dominion of the earth.

So they said if we create these spiritual human hybrids, then God has no choice. If we wipe out man and there's nothing left on earth except our spiritual human hybrids, then they have proxy, and then they have dominion of the earth according to God's own law because God can't break his law. And we

would have proxy dominion over the earth through them. That was the point. So taking this to the big picture, the people have this idea that the goal of Satan of the fallen angels is to conquer us so that we worship them they want to be our masters no they want our extinction their goal is to have us wiped out and have their progeny the nephalim be over the earth they don't want to rule us they want to destroy us and that that that very the essence of that motivation that that very thin

you see in the hearts of man when they look at each other too i mean the deceived men that walk this earth uh creating heinous crimes it like we throughout this episode we've we've kind of talked about the whole demon under every rock thing but it's like behind these dark actions human beings take is a is a is a very malevolent force manipulating the human away from the heart of god and the further you get away from the heart of God, the more you fall into that category of darkness and being used by these entities. Wow. What is the big thing that all these so-called elites who, again, are worshiping these entities and doing their bidding? What do they want? They want population reduction. Whenever Bill Gates talks about population reduction, I wish someone would finally ask him, okay, why don't you start with

yourself? It's always other people they want to eliminate, but they all want population reduction. and what that means is killing a bunch of people. There's no other way to reduce a population. Well, they talk about birth. Ethically killing is what they call it. Yeah, like you're a pig being slaughtered ethically. Well, they talk about birth control and things like that. Okay, that can prevent new people from being born,

but what about the billions of us who are here now? The only way to reduce population is to kill a lot of people. Yeah. And that's what they want to do. And going back to the false apocalypse book, look at what they look at what these horsemen are doing first of all the the red horsemen men are slaughtering one another the the black horsemen of this famine famine famine killing one killing people the the the the pale horsemen the the chloros horsemen kills a fourth of the earth

why why do they want the population reduction well one yes they want to kill off human beings but they also want to be more in control the bigger the population the tougher it is to control I mean, I was at my son's school. And I was talking to one of the teachers. He goes to a private school and the class is very small, only like maybe a dozen, 15 kids per class. And the teacher who was there was one of the teachers were saying, I love this school because it's so much easier to teach a small group of kids. And a group of kids in a public school, it's 30, 40 kids. It's more chaotic.

It's easier to control a smaller population. So they want the population of the world very small so they can control it and then systematically get rid of the rest of us and bring forth their Nephilim. And that's what's going to be happening a lot in the book of Revelation. Ed Mabry, sir, you are a fun person to talk to. I wish San Francisco was not so far away. So listen, before we roll out of here, because we do have to get you to the airport, tell people again for those who maybe didn't catch it. where they can catch your stuff, your content, anything that you want to put out there.

Right, yes. And what's my content is on my website, faithby reason.net? You can go there. There's hours and hours of stuff there. A lot of it's going behind the paywall as my members. And so you can become a member there and you get my entire Revelation series,

60 episodes. You get my Genesis series, which I'm in the middle of now because after Revelation, the most logical place to go is back to the beginning. To the beginning, it's disciple. You can get that. You also get my books are available there.

You can either get them discounted or free based on your level of membership. But I really encourage people to go to my Patreon, which is patreon.com slash faith by reason. That's where I'm most active. That's where you can also get the book free there. You can be part of my Bible study through my Patreon. I do Q&As where you ask me the hard questions, which I love. I love the difficult questions. I do a video weekly with my Q&As.

You get bonus content. You're not going to get anyplace else. and you also you get the bonus content you get the first part of content and you get the Q&A's there and again discounts on the book and the Bible study

you get all that at Patreon and I'm there I'm there I'm there as well so that's where I recommend people to go I am on the free feeds I'm on YouTube and Rumble as well but you get previews there and I'm of the Revelation series

and the Genesis series and if it wetts your whistle then you know come on by and get the whole everything on faith by reason dot net or Patreon. Yeah, hard questions and stuff. And I can tell the audience that just spending the last couple days with you and stuff, you, I can tell you have a real hunger for truth and knowledge.

And you, to this point, and I don't think it's going to change, but we're humans. So I can only speak on the record as of whatever today's date is, the 23rd of September. Hey, the world hasn't ended yet. I know. I've been rapture. There's no rapture. I'm not the Christian out there was. We still got time.

I mean, Australia is running out of time, though. But as of right now, I can tell you're the kind of person that if you, you're hunger for now, you have your thoughts on things, you're hungry for more knowledge. And so if somebody brings you a tough question, you seek out those answers with, without the desire to make those answers fit what you already think. And you even said over in the green room, how you're okay being wrong on things and changing your thoughts and stuff in your mind. So that's great.

And I do want to remind people that of everything else you just shared, you're going to be doing a spiritual warfare, not serious. It's going to be like a class. It's going to be a class. It'll be a course that you, that you know, can sign up for. I think that's something that my audience would be definitely interested in. So I know he says it's going to be limited seating, but you might need to. I'll see what I can do.

I mean multiple classes. Like after this class, we'll do another. Once a quarter, we opened up for another group of people. or something because, you know, I think that my audience, well, I mean, I don't know what my audience likes and wants. All I can tell you is what I do with the show and people watch and listen. So I'm assuming they like it a little bit. We dive a lot into the spiritual warfare side of things. And the realities of like how that plays out in everyday world and life. And so I really, I'm really glad you came out. I'm glad you were willing to do that. And I can say one more thing that.

I think by the time this airs, my new book should be out. What's going to be called? Oh, I don't know what it's called yet. I haven't titled it yet. But what it's going to be about is the Antichrist. And the Antichrist and Return of the Old Gods. Home runs. You're hitting home runs.

And I will tell you that one of the things I will present is my case, and I believe that when the Antichrist comes back from his head wound, he will be possessed by the spirit of Nimrod. So you mentioned about the head wound, and I made a note of it, but it's just not. We just haven't have enough time. But that just means I have to get you out here again sometime. I'd be happy to talk about it. Awesome.

All right. I appreciate you, sir. Thank you. I appreciate you as well. Thanks for having me out. Yes, sir.