The Confessionals - 849: Spiritual Mapping & Demonic Strongholds | Dr. Laura Sanger

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

What if the spiritual battle over your city isn’t random, but mapped, organized, and already influencing everything around you?Tony sits down with Dr. Laura Sanger for a deep and powerful look into spiritual mapping, where prayer meets intelligence gathering to uncover the hidden strongholds over communities. From walking neighborhoods in prayer to identifying portals, ley lines, and territorial spirits, Laura explains how darkness can root itself in land, institutions, and even schools, impacting everything from violence to despair. The conversation escalates into real-world accounts of spiritual pushback, occult influence, and targeted intercession, revealing how confronting these forces can trigger both resistance and breakthrough. Dr. Sanger then introduces the often-overlooked water kingdom, describing how unseen forces tied to oceans, rivers, and storms may be far more active than most believers realize. This episode isn’t just theory, it’s a call to wake up, discern what’s operating beneath the surface, and step into a more intentional fight for your family and community.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesDr. Laura SangerWebsite | YouTube | BooksSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - PulpYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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research and discernment can reveal the spiritual dynamics operating over communities and regions. We talk about reconnaissance prayer, identifying strongholds on the land, and how believers can pray with precision instead of randomness. Dr. Sanger shares powerful stories from decades of field experience, including encounters with spiritual grids, portals, and even the mysterious water kingdom mentioned in scripture. We also discussed the importance of personal preparation, deliverance, and walking closely with Christ before engaging in spiritual warfare. If you've ever wondered how the unseen realm interacts with the physical world and how the church can respond, this conversation will challenge the way you think about prayer and spiritual

authority. Let's get to Dr. Laura Sanger right now. All right, we're in studio today again with Dr. Laura Sanger. How are you? I'm doing well. Doing well. So we're not going to do any Houdini's. We just got done recording an episode with Vicky, and that went amazing. And I'm really excited to talk to you again because my part in this is so fresh and new. But I got to tell people, we're going to be talking about spiritual mapping today. And is this something that you talk about a lot and I just missed it? Or was this something that you recently started talking more about? I've been talking about it for a lot for a while.

Okay. But not in every scenario. So the Lord will send me to strategic places and, you know, equip the body of Christ in different areas. But he also gives me so many other different scrolls that not always am I talking about spiritual mapping. But it's interesting because the roots of the federal. reserve is actually this massive spiritual mapping prayer brief. And that's how it got started. So it's, it's really the foundation of what I wrote in that book, because it was going back to Jekyll Island. And what was it about the land itself at Jekyll Island that became the seed bed for a debt

enslavement system? That's what started me down the path of research. And that is a spiritual mapping questions. So, yeah. I remember we were in Utah having dinner and you were talking about a specific location that God guided you to. And I don't remember the details of the story, but it was definitely, I would say, falls in this category as well. And we were at BlurrieCon a month or two ago. And I was talking with Ruth and Caleb about this. And the more I was hearing and talk about. I was like, well, this sounds really, really interesting. And I mean, I couldn't contain myself. And I didn't want to, I didn't want to, you know, put myself where I didn't belong or anything.

So I wasn't going to bring it up to you. And then Ruth brought it up. And it was such a warm feeling of my heart because when she brought it up to you, you were walking away. And also you turned around with a big smile on your face because I was interested in it. And I was like, Oh, okay. Because I wasn't going to say, hey, can you show me how to do this or anything like that? But your willingness was awesome. And yesterday, we did a portion of it, what we're going to talk about today. We did a portion of that yesterday. And I can tell people it is wild. And it's so funny because what we did yesterday is literally walking around and praying and asking God to reveal things to us. And wouldn't you know it? It's not rocket science. Yeah. If you ask God, he will answer. Yes.

And what was so wild is when we came back together for the briefing, the amount of similarities people experienced together, you know, separately but together where we had very same, very much the same story or similar stories. I was like, wow, this is wild. So I can tell people what we're about to get into today is practical. you can put it into practice and it's going to benefit not just you but the community around you everywhere you plant your feet will benefit from these kind of practices. Yeah.

Well, that's why I lit up at BlurieCon when you're like, hey, spiritual mapping. And because it's one of the things that I love to do. Like the reconnaissance prayer is my sweet spot. I think it is so much fun because not only are we going out and asking the Lord to show us, you know, what's there. because we want to bring his purposes to the land and to the people group there. But man, to watch people get ignited in their spiritual gifts for me is so much fun. And so yesterday, that's what happened. Like, people that I train in different parts of the world, like, when they first come and do it,

I think some of them are like, I don't know how to discern. Like, I'm not a discerning person. But when you get out there and you start to pay attention to things and you just, open yourself to the Holy Spirit and ask him to show you. He will. He'll show you. And then what's so exciting about doing it as a team, like I always say go out at least two or more people, because you want that confirmation. You want to know that, okay, yeah, I was discerning something here. Or the Lord might give you one piece in somebody else, another, and you put him together, and it makes way more sense. So what we did yesterday is one component of it. And it's, I love

doing it. That's the first part of it. Like that's, that's the first step, right? In this, in the spiritual mapping would be the reconnaissance, right? Yes. Yeah. And sometimes the Lord reorganizes it. Like sometimes we do the research first and then the reconnaissance or sometimes there's just the reconnaissance of some research. So maybe what I'll do is I'll give kind of like a high level overview of what spiritual mapping is. And then we'll go layers deeper, deeper, deeper. And I'll tell some stories. I'll talk about laylines, portals, spiritual gates, spiritual grids. I want to address the water kingdom because I think that's really important. And I'll tell, like I said, I'll tell some stories of things that the Lord has revealed to us through some of our

mapping assignments. So, yeah. Ready to dig in? I'm so ready. I'm so ready. So as you mentioned, reconnaissance is one of the components of spiritual mapping. So kind of an understanding. So kind of an nutshell. What spiritual mapping does is it's doing research to gather information on the physical, the social, and the spiritual pulse of a people group, a society, a city, a community, whatever it is the mapping assignment is on. Because we've done it with schools. We've done it with the Olympics. We've done it with nation, you know, different things like that. So we're digging into research to kind of help us understand, okay, what's going on here, both on the physical, the social, on the spiritual level.

And there are three components to it. So there's the reconnaissance, there's research, and there's informed intercession. So with reconnaissance, just so your audience knows, you know more because we went and did it yesterday. But what we do is we send teams of people out onto the land to discern what's happened there. You know, what's going on in this spiritual realm? And biblical examples are when Moses sent the 12 spies into the land of Canaan, when Joshua sent the two spies into Jericho, and then Paul.

on his missionary journeys, when he would go into a city for the first time, he would walk around and get a sense of, okay, what are the spiritual dynamics happening? And we see this, especially when he was in Athens, because that informed him as to the best way to communicate the gospel message. So that's what we're doing. When we send people out, you know, we ask them to pay attention to what they're feeling in their bodies. You know, what are you discerning? you know, nausea might not just be because of what you ate. It could be the Lord showing you something. If you get a headache, you know, just pay attention. Also take in your surroundings. Like what, what are you noticing in the physical realm? Because oftentimes we'll see a manifestation in the physical realm of what's going on in the spiritual realm. But we also, you know, pray and we ask the Lord to open our spiritual senses, our eyes, our ears, even. our ability to smell into the spiritual realm. I've not tasted before on a reconnaissance trip, but touch even. You know, sometimes we will, like in Riverton High School, when we were doing

reconnaissance there, one of the youth girls, I was training up youth to do this as well, she just put her hand on the wall that led to the counseling office where there was just a lot of despair, depression, anxiety. And she felt movement in the wall. And that was a watcher spirit. It was a wolf running up and down that wall. And so we want to be able to just activate our spiritual senses when we go out and do reconnaissance. And then we take notes because, you know, we're going to combine that with the research component. So the research involves, you know, you're digging through historical documents, looking into demographics, you know, what's the crime rate like? What number of suicides? Are there strange deaths in the water? I often look for that. What sort of, you know, are there floods, hurricanes,

tornado, what sort of natural disasters have happened? What's the economy like? All of these are signs, or could be signs, for a spiritual dynamic happening or a stronghold over the territory. We also find interviewing local people, you know, people that have been around in the community for, you know, 10, 15, 20 years, even longer. If you have generations of families living in a particular area, that's incredibly helpful to talk with them and get a sense of, okay, what's going on? What are you noticing? How long has this been happening? And was there a shift? Any particular time where you just felt like there's a shift in the atmosphere over the community. That can help us as well, pinpoint, okay, what happened here? And then also looking through old newspaper articles.

I mean, you know this well, too, that the further back we go and looking in things, the less censored, it seemed to be back then. And so, you know, looking in old newspaper articles can be really helpful. And so we'll pull all of that information together and we'll write up a spiritual mapping prayer brief. And those can be, you know, anywhere between two to ten pages, really. And what we're doing is we're laying out the research for that community and the reconnaissance, any prophetic words maybe that have been spoken, discernment, you know, that sort of thing. And then we'll identify these targeted prayer strategies that informs intercessors. So that's the third component is informed intercession. Because we want to strike at the root of the issue.

It's a little bit like, I don't know if you guys have here this weed called bindweed. In Utah, some people call it morning glory, but it's technically, I think it's bind weed. And it pops up on the surface and it has this little white flower, but it's definitely a weed. And if you try and pull it from the surface, like, good luck, you're not eradicating that. You're just getting, you know, the surface level because it has a root system that goes really deep. Well, with spiritual mapping, we want to get to the root issue. so that the community actually experiences change and transformation. And so that's what we're wanting to do is equip intercessors

to be able to strike at the root of the issue. Another analogy sometimes I use is it's like a sniper locked in on his target versus someone just like randomly shooting with a shotgun hoping to hit something. So our prayers are targeted because we've done that reconnaissance, because we've done that research. Makes sense. So then what we want to do is also ascertain like what type of iniquity has been committed on the land. And if you look through scripture, you know, iniquity not only affects bloodlines, it affects the land itself. The land cries out. And so we're looking for four types of iniquity in particular that establish strongholds over a territory. And so that's sexual perversion, idolatry, bloodshed. and broken covenants. And so if these things have been committed on the land, what it does is it

creates a foothold for the enemy to take that territory. And if that's not dealt with through identifications, which I'll talk about in a moment, then that foothold becomes a stronghold. And strongholds what happens. If a territory has a stronghold over it, it will affect the people that live there, whether they know it or not. And I'm sure you've been in situations where, you know, people tell us this all the time, people that fly into Utah, they're like, man, it is oppressive here. Like, what is that? Well, they're picking up on the stronghold over our territory. And, you know, God has called my family and I to live there and he gives us a grace to live in the midst of it. So I don't always feel the oppression. Like I said, because I'm walking in the grace.

But there's definitely a stronghold and people feel that. And so it can affect the people that live there, especially, you know, when you're not walking with Christ and you don't know how to take every thought captive, the stronghold over a territory will affect your thinking. So that's what we do is we ascertain, okay, what iniquity is here? Because we want to equip intercessors to be able to cleanse the land, you know, break off curses that are there, uproot wicked structures that have been established in the spiritual realm. And we want to render the king's decrees. We want to release the full measure of blessing that God has intended for a people group or a city or a school or whatever it is we're praying for. Because ultimately, we want to see

communities and people step into transformation. And, you know, this type of transformation that spiritual mapping is hopefully fueling is the kind of transformation that comes about through prayer and just focused, united, persevering prayer. And what happens is, you know, the Holy Spirit then begins moving throughout a community such that people come into a revelation that Jesus is the son of the living God. And they'll surrender their lives. And you see rapid church growth. Well, that's true for revival.

And it's also true for transformation. So then what sets transformation apart from revival? and it is, you know, not only will you see rapid church growth, but you'll see enduring changes and multiple layers of the community. So things like crime rates will drop. And that's why in the research section, when you're looking at the demographics, you have a baseline, you know what this community has faced. And then after the prayer initiatives, you can look to see, is there a change? Is there a shift? So when transformation begins, you'll see crime rates drop. You'll see crime rates drop. You'll see, broken marriages restored. So there's less divorce rate. You'll see like businesses just

flourishing. So fewer bankruptcies. Even like things like principals and teachers in schools, welcome Bible studies on campus, welcome prayer on campus. Or, you know, you might see mayors and politicians gather for these large prayer gatherings. These are just some of the signs. There's many, but these are just some of the signs of community transformation. And there's several different factors that go into transformation. And these were recorded or first identified by George Otis Jr. And he is the foremost expert in spiritual mapping. He wrote the books back in the 90s on spiritual mapping.

He coined the term in 1991. And so he came up, identified five different factors that lead to community transformation. And those are, first of all, persevering leadership among the Christian churches or Christian ministries. So you've got essentially spiritual gatekeepers that are in a community committed to that land, committed to those people. You know, they're not transient. They're not looking to move on. Second, you'll find fervent united prayer. So these are intercessors who are just committed to praying for the land, for the people. And then you'll see social reconciliation. Also, public power encounters where you'll see, you know, those that are practicing occult-type

practices or pagan practices, you'll see the power of God come up against that and the power of God demonstrated as victorious. That's a power encounter. I'll give you just a quick example. So I was in, Columbia, Tennessee, I think this was 2003 for a gathering of blurry musicians. It was our first retreat. And Charity Gale,

who wasn't part of the musicians group that we were meeting, but she happened to be a live recording of her latest worship album, Rejoice, which I highly recommend. It was an amazing worship gathering.

So after we had the blurry musicians retreat. We went, some of us went to her recording, her live recording, and just were part of the audience and worshipping. And man, I have been in a lot of amazing corporate worship settings before, but this one easily top five in my lifetime. And it was one of those moments where we just, there's this one song called Better and a guy named Dorell. sings it with charity. And when he began singing, it was like the, it was like the spiritual realm parted and we were up in the throne room worshiping. And it was one of those experiences where I got a taste like a glimpse of what worship is going to be like in heaven. And I didn't ever

want to leave that spot. Like I didn't care if I ever ate again, if I ever showered again. Like none of the basic functions. I was like, I don't ever want to leave this spot, Lord. I could be here forever just worshiping you. And it was powerful worship. It wasn't just a recording. We were worshipping the king of kings. Well, unbeknownst to us, it was a power encounter because the next day and the day after, there were two occult shops in town that shut down. And that is an example. of a power encounter because of our worship in spirit and in truth, both of those businesses shut down. So that's one of the examples of the factors that lead to community transformation. The fifth one is the diagnostic research or the spiritual mapping. But as George Otis and his team has chronicled transformation across the world, in every location where there has been, like I said, documented transformation in a community, two factors have been in common, and that is persevering leadership among the Christian church and fervent united prayer.

And in some locations like Guatemala and Almolanga, Guatemala, it was just maybe three or four intercessors as all. Like, we're two or more gathered. It doesn't have to be this massive number of intercessors. But it's our heart. It's that fervent, united, perseveres. prayer. Well, those are considered the two pillars of community transformation. So if those exist in a community, then spiritual mapping can set this stage for transformation. Now, one other way

I'll share about spiritual mapping, just kind of as a high-level overview, is one way to think about it is it's like combining research and prayer. It's like a methodical. It's like a methodical, way of approaching research and prayer. So you'll have, you know, the subjective, which is the revelation that comes through discernment, and you combine that with the objective, which is the diagnostic research. And oftentimes, you know, I liken spiritual mapping to a special forces unit in the military because really what spiritual mapping is is it's the intelligence that allows spiritual warfare to become effective. And so you think about like Navy SEALs, for example. They receive quality intelligence that allows them to carry out their mission with precision.

So in a similar way, as spiritual mappers, we want to provide quality intelligence to intercessor so that they can carry out their mission with precision. So that's kind of the high-level overview of spiritual mapping. That's wild. One thing that keeps coming in my mind is what you mentioned earlier, the randomness. So it's like it's not random. And how often do we, at least for me, I mean, sometimes. sometimes you start prayer and you don't even know where you're going with it, you have a sense

that you need to pray about something, but you don't know what you're praying for. And, you know, if you can take the randomness out of it and it's like, we've done the research, we've done the reconnaissance, we know what we're praying for, we know exactly how to execute. It goes smoothly. Right. And I mean, maybe this is a question for later. I don't know. But during the I'm lacking the term that you used when once you do the research did recon and now it's informed intercession

informed intercession during informed intercession has there been notice like you see the noticeable effects of that you know a turning of a community things like that but is there a pushback from that as well like during intercession like maybe not during but afterwards for i'll use an example uh my my church several years ago

uh probably about two years ago now there was a pagan festival happening in a park uh in in our church's neighborhood and so pastor and a couple of the uh the councilman um walked the park and they prayed over at the weekend before and the following weekend happened the pagan festival happened and that's Sunday we come into church and there's ashes spread across the doors of our churches. And so it's like something or someone or something and someone new. And I don't want to call it a retaliation, but like there was a pushback. Right. And so I was just, my curiosity is, you know, is that something that is one-off or does that happen often? It, um, I mean, it definitely does happen. Yes. And I will share, so I'll share a mistake that we made.

I was going to share it in the interview with Vicky, but it answers your question. Okay. So in 2002, Salt Lake City hosted the Winter Olympics. And our spiritual mapping team was really involved in this ministry called, blanking on it, like beyond the gold or something like that. But essentially what it was is it was Christian leaders coming together, more than gold, that's what it was, Christian leaders coming together. And what is the best way for us to prepare our city to host the world is coming to Salt Lake City? How do we go about evangelizing? How do we go about preparing our city spiritually? Well, they reached out to us as a spiritual mapping team. And so what we did is we did, reconnaissance. We did research. We did prayer initiatives. Well, one of the things that happened prior to the Olympics was the Freemasons decided with all this influx of tourism, they opened the Masonic temple for tours. So as a spiritual mapping team, we thought this is an incredible opportunity to go do reconnaissance. Like, never has the Masonic temple been opened for tours of the public. So we knew enough not to just go in curiosity because this was a great opportunity. We knew to pray.

And so we just prayed on our own. Then we came together as a team. And I just had invited everyone to share that wanted to just share what the Lord is speaking to you. And everyone that shared that day said that they're here and we have a green light. The Lord is saying go. And so we did. We planned a tour. We went. Now, for me, that was one of the most intense spiritual experiences. I liken it, I was in Torino, Italy in 2005, and Tarino is, I'll talk a little bit more about Turino in a minute, but the stuff I experienced there was very dark as well. But going into the Masonic Temple, like I felt heaviness, confusion, dizziness. I felt like this, this weight pressing down on my head in different locations within the temple. And so after a reconnaissance, we were maybe there for an hour or two hours at most. And then shortly thereafter, I don't know if it was the week or two weeks after,

our team came under some pretty significant spiritual attacks. Team members started having really difficult times in marriages, significant health issues, significant finances, like losing jobs, things breaking. like really bad diagnoses. And we realized, okay, we're getting some pushback like you're saying. And so we came together as a team and just debriefed with one another and we're praying and asking the Lord to show us. Well, two of our more introverted team members at the time said that day when we had all come together to share whether or not the Lord was giving us a green light, they had a check in their spirit. And they didn't know.

each other did. But because everyone else was sharing, oh, yeah, God gave us a green light, they thought maybe they didn't hear right. And so they didn't say anything. And man, did we learn a valuable lesson that day? Because we learned that everyone's perspective, what everyone is hearing from the Lord is important. Whether you have a cup full to give or a teaspoonful, if you don't bring your teaspoonful, we don't have the full picture. And so what we realized, our deliverance minister came to us as a team and said, not one of you has prayed to break off Freemasonry curses in your bloodline. And I was like, oh my gosh, what were we thinking? And we had all gone through personal deliverance. So we felt like we were prepared because we had

done that. But this was back in, well, 2002. And our deliverance, our deliverance, we had done. And our deliverance minister had developed these prayers because we began understanding all the different curses on the different levels of Freemasonry. And most of our team were Anglos from European descent where free masonry was very common in the bloodline. And so sure enough, every single one of us had free masonry in our bloodline and we did not know it. I didn't know it. And so we met with our, each of us had a deliverance session with our deliverance minister to break off those curses. But that was a good learning experience, meaning that in order to be prepared to go into spiritual battle and to do spiritual mapping, it's so important to cleanse your bloodline,

to go through deliverance, to ask the Holy Spirit to show you the generational iniquity. And there's layers. Like I've gone through in my lifetime five rounds of deliverance. And each time it's like the Lord reveals another layer. And I shared in the interview with Vicki, like I'm going back generations and generations, not just eight, but 20 generations ago and dealing with stuff. And so, and not that everyone has to do that. I just know from what the Lord has called me to do that I need to be that thorough so that I have. don't have open doors or hooks by which the enemy can yank me around. Because there will be pushback for sure. But let's take care of the doors that we can close to prevent pushback as well. Yeah. All right. Let's take a second. Talk about our sponsor today, which is Ghostbed. Listen, as you hear me speak right now, I am coming off an entire week on the road. I've been in Alabama. I've been in Charlotte. I've been in Dallas. And my back. is hurting. I need the ghost bed in my life because when you're on the road, you don't get to take the

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You told me that if I'm going to get into spirit mapping, that I should make sure I also handle the delivering side of things as well. and that's definitely something that I took a heart, you know, because it's something that I've been considering strongly, but, you know, just learning about my own, my life, my past, my history, and the history that I don't know. Right. I don't need to be going into areas where something that happened and is connected to me from eight generations back.

Right. All of a sudden has the legality to activate because I went somewhere without having the permission or even the know of what is actually connected to that land and that territory. Right, right, absolutely. And that's why, you know, I want to make this point, too, that I talk about spiritual mapping like a special forces unit. And one of the other reasons I do that,

is because it's not for everyone. Not everyone that signs up in the military is going to become a Navy SEAL, whether that skill set or desire. So it requires a lot to do spiritual mapping. If you're going to do it, like if you're all in

and you're going to do it on a regular basis, what we went and did yesterday, like my training in reconnaissance, you know, we prayed for protection over everyone. And I do that, you know, to cover everyone. But I would say like the next step for your team or teams that I train, if they if they believe, yes, the Lord is calling me into this. Like this is the next step. It's so important to prepare for battle because we don't we don't want to have unnecessary casualties. We want to go into into battle armored up having dealt with generational iniquity.

And one of the things that I do before coming into any territory, so I did it before coming here, whether that I'm doing spiritual mapping or just speaking at a conference or doing an in-studio interview, I will pray and fast beforehand, whether that's a week before or several months before. It just depends on what the Lord shows me. And I will ask the Lord to show me the sin in my own life, an iniquity in my life. my own life that I have in common with the territory I'm going into. Wow. I will also ask for the Lord to show me in my bloodline the iniquity I have in common

because of what my generations have done. Because I know that if I have an open door and I come into a territory that has a stronghold, it will affect my thinking. It will, I could trip up over temptation. I can open doors that now are, I have a lot more backlash. It can affect my family, you know, those types of things. And so I will ask the Holy Spirit. And the reason I fast is fasting gets the flesh out of the way, right?

And I want to hear more clearly, Holy Spirit, show me, because we all have blind spots. And that's why it's so important to ask him, you know, what, is there an offensive way in me? expose my heart, show me what my thoughts are. And then I'll repent of those things. And repenting means not only asking for forgiveness, but choosing to go a different way, choosing to turn around and not fall into that. And that removes the hooks by which the enemy can yank me around when I go into a territory. Yeah. So there's so many times people, you'll hear the story where people will be like, you know, he was awesome. And then he moved over here and what happened? You know, like that whole what happened to you, man, story? And it could be that they went into a territory that. Yes.

Wow. I've heard couples, married couples, say they're fine. They're like on a road trip. They're fine, having a great time. And all of a sudden, it's like chaos broke out in their car. And they're they started going out of each other. And they realized, like if it's a path that they travel on a road trip frequently, it happens every single time once they get to a certain area. Well, that's an example of coming under a stronghold. And because you have open doors in your own life, you get yanked around as soon as you cross into that territory.

So it's kind of like piggybacks off of a previous conversation we had with Vicky, but it really, it's incredibly important to just be walking, walking out that relationship with Christ consistently all the time. Yeah. So that we can be habitually in sync with the Lord so that as we enter into new areas that maybe we're not familiar with, that we are shielded and protected. Yes. I'm just thinking about coming from the trucker.

world. I wonder how many truckers deal with this not even realizing. Oh, wow. Yes. It's, it's funny because when we were eating, I can't remember it moves. I think it was when we were eating lunch, Vicky asked me, is it true about the truckers and all these wild stories they experience? I'm like, yeah, it's true. Like truckers have some really bizarre experiences while they're driving. And one could say, well, they cover enough ground. Eventually they're going to have something happen. but the amount of consistency that happens with truckers and their experiences, it very well could be that they're crossing into territories that target them because of iniquity in the past. And it's like this legal right, it's like as long as you're between exit 305 and exit 3010 or 310,

you're mine, you know? And it's just like, it hits you. I just, that's, I don't even know how I would go about gathering that, sourcing that data and stuff. But, I mean, there's podcasts that are dedicated to those kind of things. The other thing that we learned, well, I'm jumping ahead of myself. Well, not too far, but with spiritual gates, when you are traveling and you travel through a spiritual gate and you don't realize that it's a spiritual gate, it's kind of like when you're trying to get entrance into something. place and there's a toll, a spiritual gate, if it's a defiled spiritual gate, the kingdom of darkness wants to take a toll from you when you pass through. And so that toll could be health, that toll could be

infertility, adultery, you know, any number of things. And we just recently learned this. I learned it as I was in South Africa. And so it's just so important. I think going back to abiding in Christ, if we are walking with the Lord and we are active in the sanctification process, this is something that needs to be taught way more in churches

than it actually is, but about repentance and about praying Psalm 139, 23, and 24, I think. it is. Search me, oh God, and know my heart. Test me and know my anxious thoughts. See if there's any offensive way in me and lead me in the way everlasting. I've been praying that prayer for a couple of years, and I call that a dangerous prayer because the Lord takes us up on those prayers. He'll begin showing us the mixture that we have in our lives. And the process of sanctification is ridding ourselves of mixture, like what Vicki pointed out in our inner.

interview. It's we are called to be set apart, not one foot in the world and one foot out. We're called to be set apart. And so when we're walking in that sanctification process, then we have less hooks by which the enemy can yank us around. So I do, I want to dial down into Layline's portal, spiritual gates, and spiritual grids, because I think many of us have experienced these and we haven't known what to do with it. So laylines are essentially geographically aligned high places. So they're spiritual passageways of these geographically aligned high places of false worship. And so these high places become power points. And a PowerPoint essentially infuses the layline with spiritual power. And these power points, you know, they are reinforced through ongoing worship, false worship,

rituals, bloodshed, that empowers these high places along a layline. And so what the ancients did is they set up monuments to memorialize these high places. And they did that along their migration routes. And that's what began establishing these laylines. And we see in Leviticus 2630, it talks about, says, I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols and I will appore you. And so what happened is the ancients, they would, they would form these sacred spaces along like stations of false worship on high places because what that did is that was an indication that this territory belongs to a particular deity. And oftentimes they would set it up on hills or mounds or

mountain tops because that allowed pilgrims to, you know, make their pilgrimage and worship at these different high places. And that's essentially what established these laylines. Now, Ezekiel 6 talks about these ancient monuments. This is verse 3. It says, And say ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God. Thus saith the Lord God to the mountains, to the hills, to the rivers, and to the vows. Bhold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you and I will destroy your high places. So that word high places is Bay Ma in the Hebrew, and it means ridge, height, and funeral mound. And so that talks about how they were establishing these high places on these laylines.

Now, portals and spiritual gates are essentially passageways between. the heavenly realms and the earth realm. And we see, you know, biblical example of this in Genesis 28 when Jacob had that dream about the ladder and angels ascending and descending. So that passage is verse 12, and I'll read also verse 16 through 17. It says he had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth with its top reaching to heaven and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, surely the Lord is in this place, and I was not aware of it. He was afraid and said, how awesome is this place. This is none other than the house of God. This is the gate of heaven. So the Hebrew word for gate in this passage is

shahar, and it means an entrance to a city, a palace, or a temple. So back in biblical times, at gates, you would find elders, you would find judges, and you would find kings. They would conduct important business at the gates of the city. Well, so spiritual gates then are places of, they're located in places of prominence. And most people don't distinguish between spiritual gates and portals, but I happen to think there's a subtle difference, and that is, it comes back to a place of importance. So spiritual gates are, again, in a place of prominence, whether that's for a city, a state, a region, a nation, whereas portals aren't necessarily located in places of prominence. Portals are established because somebody either built an

altar of honor by worshiping in spirit and in truth, like over and over in that particular location or somebody built an altar of offense through false worship, ritual is done in a particular location. Or we see in scripture the other reason portals are established is, you know, God just decided to descend his presence, like the burning bush was a portal. So these are examples of, you know, portals and spiritual gates. Now they can either be places of heavenly visitation or places of, you know, agents of darkness traveling through them. So they can be either good or bad. And throughout the spiritual mapping that I've done, the Lord has given me permission at times, not every time, me and a team as well. We have cleansed portals before. And how we've done

that both times, and doesn't mean that this is how you do it every time, because we always want to go to the Lord for the strategy for each and every situation. But we worshipped in spirit and in truth. And we worshipped until we felt a shift and we discerned. Either we saw with our spiritual eyes or discerned angels. And so it was closed to agents of darkness and then it was reopened. And we did that through worship in spirit and in truth. Can I ask question? Yeah. So with what you just said, before you started worship, was there, was there a, one, clearly I would say there would probably be a discernible difference between when you started worship until it ended. But before you started worship, was it the reconnaissance that you did that told you there was a portal there? Could you feel it or does somebody inform you?

All of the above. Okay. So in one situation, I'll talk about in Turino. So, well, technically, we were staying with a friend in Pichetto Turinise, which is a suburb outside of Torino, Italy. And we were, I had brought three youth with me on this trip. And we were staying with our friends. And in one of their guest rooms was a very large room, probably the size of two large bedrooms in America. that was the size of their guest room.

And they said, we think there's a portal in this room because every guest that stays in this room has the same nightmare. And so she didn't tell us where in the room the portal was. And some portals are easily the size of a room. This one wasn't.

But I had three youth with me and all four of us discerned right where it was. It was in the corner. and we walked right to it and we could feel the tangible darkness there. And so we just asked the Lord, what would you have us do? And I saw a picture of us getting into the portal,

like standing in the midst of it and worshipping. And so that's what we did. Another portal we discerned through reconnaissance in Riverton High School. One of the schools that we did reconnaissance for. We did seven different trips with spiritual mapping over a year and a half at this particular school. And we discerned a portal in the faculty lounge. And the principal had given us carte blanche permission to go in and pray because there were, I believe it was six deaths in the student body in a school year.

Students? Oh, my gosh. suicide or crazy accidents. And one of the youth in our youth group, the same one that I took to Trino with me, his best friend committed suicide. And it was so rough on the student body that you know, Annon, I won't mention his name on this youth boy. His parents went and met with a principal and they were part of our spiritual mapping team. And so they just just shared with the principle what we do and would he be willing to meet with me? And I met with him. I explained to him. I'm a psychologist. I'm a youth pastor. And I'm also part of this team of people

that recognize that there's a spiritual dynamic that can affect the student body. Would you be open to us coming and praying? And I mean, he was beside himself. How hard that was for him as a principal to see that level of death come to the school. So he gave us carte blanche permission. He said, you can come at any time. You just let me know, I will open whatever door you want me

to open and you have my permission to go in. Well, with that level of permission welcoming us onto the school property, the Lord did phenomenal things. So one of the things we discerned was in the faculty lounge. There was a predator spirit

that was operating there, was a portal. And so we took our youth group and we worshipped for hour and a half in that portal until it was cleansed and we felt a tangible difference. Do you think that the high school alone, do you think that that had to do with a faculty member, either present or past, that had been involved in something? Yes, yeah. Okay. There was, this was before I understood. what satanic ritual abuse was. So we're doing reconnaissance one day. We did three different reconnaissance trips to this high school.

One of the days I was looking into one of the classrooms and the teacher had posters on the wall, two in particular that stood out. One said if dumb was dirt, this class would fill, and I forget how many acres, like 10 acres. So that's... But you saw that with your physical eyes. Yeah, physical eyes. That's a poster he had in this class. Wow.

And the other one was even more disturbing. He said, I do like kids. It depends on how they're cooked. Whoa. Yeah. So, all right, I just want to clarify, this was an active teacher in the school as you were doing the reconnaissance. With a poster on his wall with that. Yes.

And this is the same school that the faculty lounge had the portal in. Yes. Wow. Yeah. Is that not disturbing? The same wall that the youth touched and felt movement, a wolf running up and down. Yeah. Because their mascot is the silver wolves.

And when you walk straight into the school, there's two statues of wolves, and they had watcher spirits in them. One of the ways, and I should clarify, because I said this yesterday in our reconnaissance, but I'm not talking watchers as in the book of Enoch, fallen sons of God. Watcher's spirits are like guards. You can think of them that way. Some people call them monitoring spirits, but they're low level, but they report all sorts of activity to their higher-ups in the kingdom of darkness. And so how I discern watcher's spirits is if I'm looking at a statue or whether it's a painting, a mural, Derek. I forgot to tell Derek this. Remember he said yesterday that when he looked at the mural, the eyes were looking like almost through him. That's a watcher spirit in that mural. And so it's watching what's coming in and out of that territory and reporting. And so you can look at statues. You can look at paintings, portraits, even animals, like live animals. If when they look at you and it looks like their eyes are penetrating through you, there's a watcher spirit there.

And so anyways, there were watch your spirits in the wolves. I mean, there was all sorts of things that the Lord revealed there. And then we just had opportunity to bless and to pray. We prayed over every student. It was the largest school in Utah at the time that we went. And so we prayed over every locker, laid hands on every locker, and just bless the students. And sometimes the Lord showed us, gave us like a word of knowledge. or we'd see a picture of what that youth was struggling with,

and we would just pray and bless them. And then we would go from locker to locker. It took a long time. I was going to say. Because there were a lot of students. But, yeah, and then our seventh and final trip was the strategy the Lord gave us for that was to march around the school seven times like Jericho. And we prayed and anointed and blew shofars over every entrance.

into the school. And one of the intercessors counted, and there were 77 entrances that we prayed and anointed. And we released blessings like hope and love and abundant life. And two days later, after our final prayer reconnaissance, Riverton High School established their very first hope squad. And it was student body led where,

if other students were struggling with depression, or suicidal ideation, they could go to somebody on the Hope Squad that was a peer and they could talk to them. And then that peer would connect with the counselor's office. And so for us, that was a sign of breakthrough. Yeah. Because when we first walked in to that school, it was tangible, a spirit of death just hanging over. It was a stronghold over that school. Even the pictures that the students would draw, they had them in the student lounge.

up on the walls. And there was just themes of death and depression. One picture, these were like pencil drawn like charcoal. One picture was a teenager going through their head going through a windshield of a car. That was what they put up in the student comments. Another one was somebody who clearly was depressed. But what we found is as we continue doing the prayer there, over time, those got taken down. And you could see other artwork going up that was displaying hope and vision for the future and dreams. Like the youth were dreaming about doing things of greatness rather than ending their lives. And so I don't even know how we got on to that. No, it's led though. It's led. I'll tell you, I mean, what you're, oh, man, if kids just understood

you know, like the things that they touch have consequences and life does go beyond high school, you know, and they would understand a lot more if they understood the spiritual aspect of their lives. You know, as you were just talking about, I'll call victory in the school, I was reminded of the town that I, that I come. from back in Pennsylvania. So I grew up a big chunk of my childhood was in Cootsdam, Pennsylvania. And a lot of darkness, just a lot of darkness. And I don't have the number on hand, but there was a disproportionate amount of deaths in that student body. And I didn't go to high school there. I started in first grade. I went all the third, eighth grade. My parents bought a house, got me out of the trailer park. We went to a different school district. And I will tell you, I, as a kid going from eighth grade to ninth grade, middle school to high school, completely new school system. I didn't know what to expect. I was nervous. I was scared. I came from a very abusive environment, you know, whereas like, I always say it, but it's like that that term, that term, that term,

trailer trash. Like, that's what I was. Like, that's what we came from. Like, just, it was a trash neighborhood. And I was always, like, made aware that I was as dark as they came. And it's just, like, a really bad situation. I go to the new school, and I'm in the habit of wearing a lot of black t-shirt. I still wear black t-shirt for a different reason. It's just I have no style now. But, like, I particularly wore dark clothing because I thought it made my skin look lighter. And I like, I'm going to, like, I'm trying not to have any problems with this new school, right? The kids, we're talking about maybe a 30-minute drive between the two-tellers-jack. Kids completely different.

They were completely different. I never had one, one issue with a kid when it came to racist stuff or anything like that. I had one kid to pull a knife on me. That was it. Like, which, you know, that's it. But he was bluffing. He was fine. But, like, it was night and day different.

And when I think back to Kutztown, I didn't go to high school there, but my wife did. And she, it got so bad that her senior year, she homeschooled herself because she was like, I can't go to school here anymore. Wow. And there was a lot of kids that died in high school. Even when I was growing up, elementary school, high school kids dying, middle school, high school kids dying. In our neighborhood, the one kid, I think his name was Jeff, got in a tragic car accident,

it became a vegetable and when I'm dying in the trailer park because he got his head stuck between the rails of his bed. Oh my gosh. I can't like one of the kids, John Young, right? John Young, Jack, he had a lowered Honda Civic, always driving it fast. I don't know how this, how fast he was going to have this happen. But they said that there was no skid marks on the road. It was like the car just lifted up on its own.

I imagine he was going so fast that he hit a little bit of bump and it just went. But, like, his car seat was embedded into a tree. Like, so much death. And I don't know if it's still like that. But when I was growing up in Coostown, Pennsylvania, there was tons of death amongst the high school kids. And so maybe that's why I got a little emotional there. Yeah.

Because I wasn't even thinking about Coz Town when you said it. But when you said, when you told me in one year six kids, gosh, man. That kills you. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And that's why we're talking about this. Right.

It's important to understand. I mean, I've said it. I'm like a broken record, but I don't care. Like, we're in a spiritual war. There are things that are after us and our children. And we have to know how to fight back against that. Absolutely. Informed ways to fight back.

Not just random, oh, something bad. Have them, let me pray against it. That's good. But let's be pro. active. Ask God to reveal to us what is going on. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, that is, that's a classic example of how a stronghold affects the people that live there, whether they know it exists or not. They're drawn towards death if there's a stronghold of death over that region. So another thing, so we talked about laylines, portals, spiritual gates. Spiritual grids are essentially.

essentially multiple laylines connected together. And it forms like this network over a territory. And it oftentimes you'll have a stronghold as well over that territory. Well, my first experience of a spiritual grid was in Torino. So back to that trip. We went in 2005 and I was training the local churches and how to prepare the city for the Olympics coming because they were the winter Olympics after Salt Lake City. And the Lord just orchestrated that I met at a conference I was at some of the spiritual gatekeepers of the

Christian church in Torino. So I was the youth minister at the time. So I brought three youth with me. One of them was this kid that I shouldn't say kid anymore. I'm trying to change my language. That's a whole other story. Child. Youth. Boy. I'll call him a youth guy. There we go. He, the one that his friend killed himself, he came with me to Tarino, and then I had two youth girls that came with as well. And Tarino is a very dark place. It is the intersection of two witchcraft triangles across the earth.

So you've got the black magic triangle and the white magic. triangle. Black magic triangle is London, San Francisco, and Torino. The white magic triangle is Prague, Leon, and Turino. So as the apex of these two witchcraft triangles, it has earned the reputation of being the witchcraft capital of the world. And it was very intense. So here I am, I bring three youth with me to this very dark place. And these youth have never been outside of the country. So we had some intense ministry opportunities, which were really good, but they're very intense. So a couple days into the trip, I could tell the youth were just, they were missing home. I needed to take care of them.

And so we decided to go for a walk. We're staying with our friends in Pichetto Turanise. And they were up on a hill. And below them was just this beautiful Italian valley. I mean, just everything you think about, Italian countryside. And so we went for a walk. And my focus was, I'm going to love on these youth and sure them up. Let's debrief. Let's see how they're doing. How can I pray for you? So we're going for this walk. And all of a sudden, I experience a spiritual grid for the first time. What I see are articles, excuse me, particles, objects, or beings moving away from me at high speed. And I liken it to the scene in Star Wars when the Millennium Falcon goes. into hyperdrive and you see, you know, all the stars coming at you. That's what I saw only in reverse.

It was moving away from me. And that was a first for me back then. I was like, what is happening right now? Well, thankfully, I wasn't the only one to discern it, which is, again, why we go out with at least two other people. Because one of the youth girls, she felt the movement passed through her body. Now, a sensation we all four experienced was the presence of this distinctive foul odor. much like a combination between sulfur and manure.

And so we realized, okay, the Lord is showing us, we are in the midst of this spiritual grid that's over this whole region. And he's calling us here to sever this layline that forms part of this spiritual grid. And so this youth guy picked up a stick about this six or eight inches, tiny little stick.

When he picked it up over, his head. I saw this huge sword in the spiritual round. And he pulled it up over his head because he was going to cut the layline. And he nearly fell back from the weight of this, in the physical, this tiny little stick. And we knew the Lord was asking him to sever that layline. And so we prayed, and he brought that as a prophetic act. He just brought that sword down and he severed it. Well, we kept walking. We thought our assignment was done. and this this youth guy is very discerning and we couldn't go more than five steps before he'd had like a pain in his shoulder like a cramp or something and so we would stop and say okay lord what are you trying to show us here

and the holy spirit said you didn't invite my presence to fill the void of what you just created and i was like oh my gosh lord i'm so grateful the holy spirit teaches he's the teacher of all things because, you know, we definitely sometimes miss it. So in this instance, I was like, oh, Jesus, forgive me. And so we stopped and we prayed and we invited the presence of the Holy Spirit. And immediately this smell changed. And we smelled this fresh pine scent. And for us, that was a sign that we had accomplished what the Lord wanted us to do that day.

And so we went back and told the gal we were staying with and we were all excited, you know. And she wasn't surprised. She said actually the locals talk a lot about the energy in that field. In fact, people travel from all over to experience it firsthand. So that kind of lays out just a few examples of laylines, portal, spiritual gates, and spiritual grids. So the smell change, you referenced that earlier about like that's like a sign, I believe, right? and even yesterday when we were up at High Ground Park. I forget what, I think we were praying or somebody that just got done praying and the breeze that came in and like the weather shifted.

And even before we left, it was terrible rain. And Jack even mentioned it in the truck at the end of the day. He said, we pray for the weather to hold it. And it just, it wasn't even a factor. And we had sun start coming in and stuff. And so you see, so you're looking for manifestations, whether it's a physical sense or something you feel. We don't necessarily look for it, but the Lord often sends it.

Do you remember Derek said it smell, I smell something sweet? Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes the Lord will send rainbows. Sometimes he'll send a number. earthquake. Wait, have you experienced it? Is that somebody else that told you the story? No, no, no. I didn't experience the earthquake, but when we cleanse the 33rd parallel in Chile,

Santiago, the Lord told us through several different intercessors and prophetic people that what we did in Chile, now this ties into what I spoke at Blurie Con, so your audience is going to be like, What are you talking about? Just strap up as a ride. In a nutshell. The Lord allowed us to cleanse the 33rd parallels in five different locations, well, six different locations when you count Chile on four different continents. So when we were in Chile, we did prayer reconnaissance, a very strategic locations, and then

we did the informed intercession like the Lord released it the same day, kind of like what we did at High Ground Park. I wasn't planning it, but the Lord said, no, now, do it now. So the Lord asked us to realign the foundations of Chile to his plum line order of righteousness and justice. And so we did that in Valdivia. Now, Valdivia is an incredibly strategic location. It is on the confluence of three rivers. I'm going to get to the Water Kingdom shortly.

Three rivers. and it's about a half hour from the ocean. And it is the site for the strongest earthquake and recorded history, a 9.5 in 1960. So when we were there, there's this huge pendulum. And it's called a foie qua, if I'm pronouncing that right,

pendulum. It's named after a French guy. And essentially it's, I think it's physics, But the pendulum is so big, it just hangs straight, and the rotation of the earth makes it look like it's moving. But really, we're moving. Well, there's a lot there that's happening. The Mapuche are the indigenous people. And there's many Mapuche that are born-again believers. But those that are not and that are practicing kind of the ancient religious practices of the Mapuche,

were drawing energy from that location. And there was a circumpunct on the plaza right next to the pendulum that had laylines that were going out all over Chile. And they also had a map of Chile. So like when we're doing reconnaissance, we're using our physical eyes to see things. And oftentimes the enemy just broadcast what they're doing in plain sight. And we think, oh, that's really cool architectural. stuff or a really cool landscape design. We have to look beyond that and say, okay, Holy Spirit, show me what's going on here. Well, it was very clear in Valdivia. So make a

long story short, we prayed and we prayed scripture that the Lord showed us. I think it was Zachariah 410, if I'm remembering correctly. I'm talking about the plum line, bringing Chile's foundation into the plum line order. Well, later in our trip, we went to Santiago, and that is on the 33rd Parallel South. And we knew we were going to cleanse the parallel. The Lord gave us strategy of what to do. Well, we had received several prophetic words that we were going to, after we cleansed the parallel, there was going to be an earthquake because it was the beginning of the Lord realigning the very foundations of the earth under Chile to his plum line order.

So we prayed, we did what the Lord asked us to do. We left and it was 14 hours later, there was an earthquake. Now, I should say this, Chile has a lot of earthquakes. So some people are like, oh, yeah, what's the big deal? But the Lord often speaks in numbers. Troy Brewer at Blurie Khan talks about this. He has a book about, you know, biblical numbers and all that. preach. Yeah. Well, when we were flying from Osorno, Chile to Santiago to cleanse the 33rd parallel,

the runway we take off on is the 33 runway. It says 33 on the runway. I happen to be sitting in a window seat. I never sit in a window seat. I prefer the aisle. I was in a window seat. I looked out, and there it was. And I knew that was the Lord saying, I'm sending you to cleanse the 33rd parallel. And part of the strategy is we were going to worship in music tuned to 444 Hertz. So we take off from Osorno on the 33rd parallel or 33rd runway to go cleanse the 33rd parallel in Santiago. When our wheels touch the ground, you know, the moment you turn your phone on, you take it off of airplane mode, it was 444 p.m. And the people I'm traveling with, they looked at me like, whoa. But it's just little signs like,

that. Well, okay, back to the earthquake. I wouldn't have made much of it except for it was very clear. The Lord was saying, this is the start. This earthquake was the start of what I'm doing in realigning Chile. So there was five of us that gathered to cleanse the parallel in on the 33rd parallel in Santiago. The earthquake was a 5.5 earthquake and the depth was 33 kilometers. And so I knew that that was an answer to what the Lord had said, that he's starting it. Then significant flooding hit southern parts of Chile. And we were in the south part of Chile. I mean, it's a long country. And I'm like, Lord, like, it doesn't feel good to my mercy heart to go pray places and natural disasters happen. Like, that's hard for me. Unless I know this is the Lord bringing his judgment. And so I didn't

know about the floods, but the pastors that brought us in, one's a prophet, one's a pastor, reached out and said, look at this, two days after we left, massive flooding in southern regions of Chile. And they said, I believe the Lord is cleansing this land. And the Lord led me to a passage. I don't have my notes in front of me, but I think it's in Isaiah about how he will send a flood to realign into his plum line order. And so again, that was the Lord shifting Chile. Now, they're still believing that the prophets and pastors there believe a much more significant earthquake is coming as a sign of God realigning Chile. Wow. So pastors and prophets are Chile's weather reporters.

What's going to happen today, Prophet? Well, how bad were you yesterday? No, that's wild stuff. I'm sitting here looking at the map that we have behind you. And one of those points on the map is right around the Chile region. But it's just, the reality is what you're drawing a picture of is there's this immediate. like they touch the spiritual and the physical things that happen here are a result of the spiritual things that happen in the spiritual can result with things here and what you just shared is a

depiction of that it's not this and or this or it's it's both um you mentioned about the water kingdom uh yes so i guess i'll let you take because i'm not sure how the water kingdom ties And most people may not even realize that there is a water kingdom. Let's start there. Because I, so I've been doing spiritual mapping, I think it was 1998 is when I started. May have been 97, but somewhere around there. So in other words, that's a long time, more than 25 years. And for 25 years, I didn't even know the water kingdom existed until I went to the Bahamas with Tom.

We celebrated our 31st wedding anniversary, 2003. So we're in the Bahamas. And one of my favorite, I'm a morning person, one of my favorite times on this beach, we always go to the same resort, is first light of dawn. I love, the sunrises are so spectacular. And so I will go down there. I've got my Bible, my journal, a tablet, a hot cup of tea, and ice water. and I am set for hours. It's my favorite place to be with the Lord. So I'm down there, I don't know, maybe day two or three. And I'm just having a wonderful time with the Lord. I'm journaling,

studying scripture. And I hear thunder. And I look up and I see the storm coming right for me. And it's got sheets of rain, thunder and lightning. And I'm like, oh, man, you know, I don't want to go back up into the room because Tom's still sleeping and I don't want to stop having my time with the Lord. So I'm kind of stuck. So I just pray. And I was like, Lord, will you just send this storm somewhere else? Kind of like what we did yesterday. Well, you just send this storm somewhere else. And the Lord said, you command the storm. And I was like, wait, what? And he said, you command the storm. Now, if you were to weigh my faith versus doubt in that moment, I was probably 51% faith, 49% doubt.

Like, with barely more faith than doubt, I told that storm to dissipate and no rainfall on the beach where I was at. And then I just went back to journaling. And like I talked with Vicky and you previous interview is, I can get lost in the presence of the Lord and, like, not really pay attention to my service. surroundings because I'm just with him. And I, I don't know, maybe five, ten minutes, I don't know how long, but I realized like, oh, wait, I had just commanded a storm and I'm not, I'm not hearing thunder. And I looked up and the storm was completely gone. Like not even any trace of it. And the beach

I'm at is, is a long beach. You can see the horizon for quite a distance. I was shocked. And the Holy Spirit said, imagine what you could do with more faith. It's like, oh, Lord, forgive me. So the next morning, same drill. I mean, every morning I'm down there, same drill. This time I'm in Psalm 29 studying and journaling. And again, I hear thunder. And I look up and this storm was easily twice as big as yesterday's storm. I mean, it's the whole horizon is covered. Sheets of rain, thunder and lightning. This one has a water spout, a tornado in it. Wow. And because there was a tropical storm that had formed and it was kicking storms off of that. So I look at this thing. And now I know enough not to assume that just because I got to command yesterday's storm that I get to command today's

storm. So I asked the Lord, I'm like, what should I do? And he said command the storm. Well, I knew this one was going to require more faith. So I see. stand up. I'm like, there's one other person on the beach, like way, way down there. It's like six something in the morning. So I stand up with my Bible and I start telling that storm who I am because of Christ. And I quote Colossians 2, 9 and 10 for in Christ all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form. And you have been given fullness of Christ to his head over every power and authority. So I start telling that storm because Jesus can command the winds and the ways and because I have the fullness of Jesus in me.

I am telling you, you are going to split in half. Half of your rain is going to go to the east, and half your rain's going to go to the west, and no rain's going to fall on this beach. And I was like, er, you know, like, and the storm just kept coming. And now the winds hit the beach, you know, right before the torrential downpour.

And doubt just starts rising up in me. And the Holy Spirit spoke to me, 2 Corinthians 5-7, which says, we live by faith, not by sight. And I realize I've got to get my eyes off this storm. So I sit down and I get, I'm journaling. Now, the winds are so strong. I can't keep my Bible open. I can't keep my journal open. I got to put my arm over the journal and command the storm that way. And again, I don't know how long. I didn't time it because I'm in a battle here. and I'm trying to like walk in faith. I mean, I was all in for sure because if it rained, things of value to me, my journal,

my Bible would have gotten wet. My phone is replaceable, but those other things. So I was all in here. And I'm just journaling with the Lord kind of getting, again, just lost in his presence. And then I realized, wait a second, the wind died down. I'm not here in thunder. And I look up and that storm did exactly what I told it to do. Above me was blue sky.

There were sheets of rain on the east and sheets of rain on the west and it never rained on me. And I just erupted in worship. It was amazing to me. Now, when I got back from that trip, I had maybe two or three weeks before turning around and doing a ministry trip. And I was going to a major metropolitan area in our country. And I'm going to have to use like, I won't use real names. I'll use fictitious names because the spiritual mapping is still ongoing there. And we have to kind of remain stealth.

Sure. But one of the things that the Lord taught me before going on this trip is that the storms he had me command that week in the Bahamas were storms that were generated by the water spirits or water gods because he didn't have me command every storm that week. And he was teaching me how we exercise our authority that each one of us has over the water kingdom. So then as I'm preparing for this ministry trip, I am in Psalm 144, just doing some prep work and praying. and the Lord says, well, so this place I'm going, I go to this major metropolitan area and a town on the outskirts, and that town is situated on a lake, and I'll just call it Lakeshore. Well, the Lord speaks to me and says,

Lakeshore is dealing with water spirits. Now, let me first kind of lay a foundation for the water kingdom biblically. Because the Bible talks about three realms. It talks about the, earth, the waters, and the heavenlies. And we see this in Exodus. This is 20 verse 4. It says, You shall not make for yourself an idol or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. Okay, so that speaks of the three realms. So once we begin understanding that there's a water kingdom, listen now to Ezekiel 2616. Then all the princes of the sea will come down from their thrones, lay aside their robes, and take off their embroidered garments. They will clothe themselves with trembling.

They will sit on the ground, tremble every moment, and be astonished at you. So these princes of the sea are the water gods. I don't know if anybody ever even reads that thinking about it in this context. This is wild. My mind's blown. I was just like, when you start reading, I was like, it's right there. It's right there. Like, how do you not, how did you miss it?

That's wild. Right. Wow. Okay, so then think about this. So 71% of the earth is covered in waters, right? So Satan has chosen to build his power base from the waters. And we see this in Revelation 13. Verse one, it says the dragon stood on the shore of the sea,

and I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads with ten crowns on its horns, and each had a blasphemous name. So the water kingdom is mighty, but most Christians are completely unaware of it. I was doing spiritual mapping for 25 years, and I was unaware of it. Well, the Lord showed me as I was preparing for this ministry trip,

how often in scripture, or shows me that oftentimes in scripture, where it uses the phrase mighty waters or many waters, that's actually referencing the water kingdom. And we see this in Psalm 293. It says the voice of the Lord is over the waters. The God of glory thunders. The Lord thunders over the mighty waters. So remember, this is the passage I was studying when that massive storm with the tornado, the water spout, came in.

Well, what he was teaching me, first of all, is the first mention of waters, the Lord's voices over the waters, that talks about the waters that covers that covers the earth. But the second mention, Mighty Waters, is the Water Kingdom. And we see this by looking at the Hebrew word for Mighty. It's Rav. And it means abundant, great, strong. It means Captain, Chief, and Prince. So the mighty waters is actually referring to the princes of the waters or the water gods. Now the good news is that Yahweh is going to completely eradicate the water kingdom at the end of the age.

Revelation 211 says, Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. And there was no longer any sea. So at the end of the age, the Lord is getting rid of the water kingdom. but we cannot ignore it until that point. So now back to this ministry trip that I took to this major metropolitan area. Each trip I take, there's a team of intercessors that will pray for me. And oftentimes that team is different for different reasons.

This particular team, one of the intercessors said, I am discerning that this region is dealing with mind-numbing black goo. And what he saw is you saw squid and octopus mounted to the doorways of churches, releasing black goo. And so when people would come in to the churches, they would get covered in black goo and traips it all over the place. Well, that was significant to me because right at that time, I happened to be reading John Eckhart's book on marine demons and listen to what he writes. He says, squid and octopus spirits are mind-binding and mind-contracting. controlling spirits that have tentacles wrapped around the minds of people hindering them from thinking clearly. These spirits cause much confusion and keep people from seeing the truth.

These are powerful spirits that often require fasting to break. Well, another one of the intercessors, she saw a water spout over an area that I'll just call Turtle Cove. Now, Turtle Cove was slated to be this massive development. It's going to have resort, businesses, and housing. And the debris coming off of that water spout that she saw in the spirit were squid and octopus. Well, I happened to be doing the spiritual mapping research at that time, and I was looking into Turtle Cove, and I found a video rendition of what it's going to look like when they're finished. And it was like on a bay of a lake, and it had an island with this huge waterfall and behind the waterfall was this jumbo-tron screen and they were running a video and

the video was featuring squid and octopus so i'm like okay lord you are definitely drawing our attention to this location well turtle the land of turtle cove um was filled with corruption and fraud so back in the 80s there was a large real estate developer who was responsible in part for the housing crash of 87, he was developing land near Turtle Cove. And he went to prison along with five others because of the fraud that they had committed. So there was broken contracts, broken deals, corruption on this land. Well, the current deal of Turtle Cove, that was established by the economic development director of Lakeshore. And it was fraught with corruption. I mean, it was this massive pay-to-play scheme. And he actually ended up leaving the state because of lawsuits against him.

And so in preparing for this trip to go to lakeshore, the Lord drew my attention to the water god Rehab. Now, this is not the Rehab of Jericho, the prostitute. This is Rehab, the water god. I'm going to read a couple of scriptures because it symbolizes Egypt, which becomes interesting in a moment. So I'll start with Psalm 89. This is verse 9 through 10. It says, you rule the raging of the sea when its waves rise. You see. Still them. You have broken Rahab in pieces as one who is slain. You have scattered your enemies with your mighty arm. That's talking about the Lord. Job 913, God does not restrain his anger. Even the cohorts of Rahab cowered at his feet. Job 2612, by his power, he churned up the sea. By his wisdom, he cut Rahab to pieces. And then Isaiah 30 verse 7, it says to Egypt, whose help is utterly useless. Therefore, I call her Rahab the do-nothing. So when you look up the meaning of the word Rahab, it means breadth, storm, arrogance, mythical sea monster emblematic of Egypt. Well, and it comes from a Hebrew root word that means proud, strength, and bluster. And so Rahab will manifest in pride.

Well, we know Pharaoh walked in pride. You know, pride is what hardened his heart. So in looking out the connection, if we read Exodus 7, 14 through 18, it says, then the Lord said to Moses, Pharaoh's heart is unyielding. He refuses to let the people go. Go to Pharaoh in the morning as he goes out to the river. Confront him on the bank of the Nile and take in your hand the staff that was changed into a snake. Then say to him, the Lord, the God of the Hebrews has sent me to say to you, let my people go so that they may worship me in the wilderness. But until now you have not listened. This is what the Lord says. By this you will know that I am the Lord. With the staff that is in my hand, I will strike the water of the Nile and it will be changed into blood. The fish in the Nile will die and the river will stink.

The Egyptians will not be able to drink its water. Okay, so first this passage, it says that Pharaoh went down to the Nile every morning. Why? If you look at commentators, what they say is, oh, he was probably like cooling himself off in the temperatures of the Nile. But no. It doesn't fly, actually. He was consulting the water gods. And the Egyptians, they believed that the Nile was sacred. So what Pharaoh was doing every morning is he was consulting these water gods for strength for his day. Just like we spend time with the Lord for strength for our day. dedicated to his faith. Yes. And so what God did with the first of the ten plagues is he addressed the water gods. He turned the Nile, which they thought was sacred, into blood. And then when he parted

the Red Sea, he also dealt with the water gods. And we see this in Psalm 74, 13 through 14. It was you who split open the sea by your power. You broke the heads of the monster in the waters. It was you who crushed the heads of Leviathan and gave it as food to the creatures of the desert. So back to the story of going to this place. So now I'm flying there. I've got all of this was background leading into this time of ministry. I'm on the plane and the Lord says, Lakeshore is a spiritual gate for Rahab into this major metropolitan area. I was like, okay, Lord. And I'm meeting with the intercessors in Lakeshore. So I knew he was telling me that because they needed to know that they were in a spiritual gate. Now, what you'll find, and this is

what we discovered when we did reconnaissance, is like I said, oftentimes you'll see physical manifestations of what's going on in the spiritual realm. So it wouldn't be too far fetched to anticipate that we might find references to the water kingdom in the physical if this is a spiritual gate for Rahab, the water god. And sure enough, I go on Google Maps, names of streets, restaurants, businesses named after the Water Kingdom. And this is aside from Starbucks. Starbucks, by the way, just for your listening audience, is a mermaid. That is the symbol of Starbucks, the logo. And so when you are buying a Starbucks, you are aligning, partnering, giving your money, making a transaction with the Water Kingdom. So I would encourage people do not buy from Starbucks

anymore. You just find another coffee house that will give you your favorite coffee or tea and repent of any time you have given Starbucks your money. That's just an aside, another way to cleanse ourselves. But, okay, so I'm looking on Google Maps. I see Mermaid Circle, Neptune Circle. These are two streets in Lakeshore. Mermaid Ceylon. It's a hair salon called Mermaid Ceylon. And their moniker is we believe in Mermaids. Then you have another, a metaphysical, store called the Mindful Mermaid. It's where they sell tarot cards and crystals and occult, stuff like that. Another place, the Mermaid Bar, the Mermaid Raw Bar in Champaign, like two different bars named after it. Then Neptune's Society, this is a cremation service. So all of this was

pointing, okay, there is definitely something here. Well, then the Lord drew my attention to a particular church in this greater metropolitan area, so no longer in Lakeshore, but in this great area. And it's a church that boasts of 57,000 members. And I watched just one of their services online. I watched maybe the first three minutes. And the associate pastor gets up and he says, this is the greatest church in the world. And I wanted to vomit because that is such a clear manifestation of rehab. Remember, rehab is pride. It manifests in pride. And so this one, a clear manifestation of that. Well, what's interesting is we found out that one of our friends who lives in this area, singer-songwriter, she was ministering several years before I even got there.

She was ministering at a women's conference. And there was women from all different churches there. But when she and an intercessor were praying for the women that went to this 57,000-member church, when they were praying for them, they saw squid and octopus releasing black goo. over them. And so yet another piece of information, confirmation. And so for us, we knew that the Lord was drawing our attention to do reconnaissance on the church grounds. Now, it takes up an entire city block. It's massive. And so we, to be more stealth, just stayed in our car and drove around. And we were discerning by car. And, you know, to have an auditorium that seats that many people, It's a massive building, and there's this huge circular driveway and this awning that extends over the driveway.

At the end of the awning is this statue of Jesus. And I look at that statue, and there's watcher spirits in it. Now, I already shared about how you discern that. Well, behind the Jesus statue was pools of water, and there were water spirits in that. I didn't see them physically with my eyes. I saw them with my spiritual eyes. And the local intercessor that was with us, she said, oh, my gosh. they baptize in those waters.

Well, a few weeks after I came back from this trip, the local intercessor called and she said, Laura, someone just killed themselves at that Jesus statue. And I was like, oh my gosh. And as tragic as that was, that brought confirmation that in fact there are water spirits in those pools because water spirits bring bloodshed to the waters to empower their kingdom.

And those water spirits were working in conjunction with Rahab, the water God. And this church, the leaders of this church are operating under that spirit of rehab. Do you think that they know that they're operating that way? I don't think so. I think just based on what you just said, I don't think so. I think there is probably a large portion of people within the church world, the Christian community, that operate in these kind of spirits and they don't even realize it. it's not like they're doing it intentionally.

It hasn't aired yet, but I recorded with him months ago, Darren Canning. He's from Canada. He's a prophet travels the world. And he brought up the term, Jack, do you remember what it was? Was it charismatic witchcraft or was it Christian witchcraft? Charismatic witchcraft. Yeah.

And I had him talk about that, if I remember correctly a little bit. I don't remember if it was on camera or off camera, but like it's like it's not something that's intentional. We can pray witchcraft prayers when we're praying our will. That's wild. Mm-hmm. Ooh. The Lord has challenged me on that.

Oh, man, Lord, help us. Wow. Distinguished my will from yours. Even when we're just praying like for a job opportunity. We want a particular job. If it's outside of God's will, and we're praying for that job, we are praying witchcraft prayers. That's wild. Okay.

So I don't think these leaders of this church know that they're operating. I was operating under a Jezebel spirit for years. I was very controlling. I didn't know I was operating under that. I just was going about life. I mean, the people I was in relationship with, Tom could have told you I was controlling. My kids could have told you I was controlling. My best friends could have told you I was controlling, but I didn't see it.

I was blind. And that's why it's so important we pray these dangerous prayers. Lord, show me in my heart. Like, it's in there. What can I see? Where are my blind spots? So I don't think it's malicious. I mean, I don't have any proof that it's malicious from.

these leaders, I just think they have come under rehab. And it could be stuff in their generational line. It could be sin in their own lives that they've not repented of, whatever the reason. But when that suicide happened, it opened a window of opportunity for the intercessors to pray on the church campus. And so they went and they prayed. But it got shut down within weeks because, again, the leaders of that church are not flowing solely under the Holy Spirit. They're operating under other spirits. But one of the things that I want to speak to it is how do we defeat water spirits and the water kingdom? Because scripture lays out a number of different strategies. And the first one is what we've been talking about, confess and repent. It is so important

that we step into that repentance, not only for our lives, but Identificational Repentance. And people get really confused and weirded out by this term. So let me describe it and give your audience some biblical references. So if you read Daniel 9, Daniel enters into Identificational Repentance. Ezra 9. If you read Jeremiah 3 and Nehemiah 1, those are all examples of Identificational Repentance. So what it is not, it is not a prayer to absolve the dead of the responsibility of sin before God, nor is it vicarious repentance, as in standing in substitution for somebody else. So what Identificational Repentance does is it, it releases the current generation of the consequences of sin from previous generations. Okay. And so that's why breaking off generational

iniquity is so important because we can be experiencing the ramifications of sin and iniquity, like I shared, eight generations back. So when we're praying, particularly against areas that are steeped in the water kingdom, like the grip of water gods, repent and confess. And Psalm 32, 5 through 7 says, then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord, and you forgave the guilt of my sin. Therefore, let everyone who is godly pray to you while you may be found. Surely, when the mighty waters rise, they will not reach him. So here it's telling us, if we confess and repent, when the water kingdom tries to rise and come after us, it will not reach us.

So confess and repent. The second one is fasting. Oftentimes these spirits are only expelled through fasting. That's because fasting is a self-humbling act. It's walking in the opposite spirit of pride. And when we fast, we empower our warfare as well. Well, Matthew 17, 16 through 23 says, Lord, and this was another one. Like, once I understood the water kingdom, I'm like, oh my gosh, it's been here this whole time.

Lord have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic. suffer severely, for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. So I brought him to your disciples, but they could not cure him. Then Jesus answered and said, oh, faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to me. And Jesus rebuked the demon and it came out of him. And the child was cured from that very hour. Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, why could we not cast it out? And Jesus said to them, because of your unbelief. For assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, move from here to there, and it will move. And nothing will be impossible for you. However,

this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting. So I believe this was a water spirit torturing this boy, because one of the ways it was trying to kill him was through drowning. And again, water spirits will bring death to their waters. So drownings, floods, boating accidents, bizarre car accidents that end up in water. These are water gods bringing death to the waters. When I was in Botaville, South Africa, the Lord, we were doing some reconnaissance, and the Lord led me to a portal that was there, and it was on the bank of the river. And the river, and the river Oh, Jesus, what's the name of that river? I forget the name.

It was something along the lines of confusion or something like it wasn't true. Like when you translated it from Afrikaans into English, false. That's it, thanks Jesus. False river. And what would happen is children would be lured to the source. water and it looks tame on the surface but there is an undercurrent that pulled children in and they would go into the water and never return and the Lord showed me that this is a port like the portal literally is sucking these children into the water kingdom under the earth and and there were

aquifers that were connected to other regions in the world and so we we have to understand that these water gods, they will draw death to their waters. Another strategy is we want to worship and extol the name of God over the waters because water spirits, they hate praise. They are filled with pride. They want the worship themselves. So just simply by declaring the mighty name of Jesus, we can defeat water spirits. Also, we want to decree God's word over the waters. And this could be like writing, I've done this before, where we're we, write scripture, like the reference of scripture, like 2 Corinthians 10-5, on a rock and you throw it in the water. Now, one of the reasons we do that, first of all, most importantly,

is Isaiah 55, 10, and 11 that talks about the word of God will not return void. So when we're depositing it into the water, we know that it's not going to return void. But then we also know from Masaru Emoto's research on water molecules, are you familiar with that? Okay, so he looks at the impact of positive messages and negative messages on water molecules. So he wrote on strips of paper words and he taped them to a water bottle. And then he examined the crystallized form of the water molecule under a microscope. And what he discovered is that the water molecules change based on the message they receive. So words like hatred or you fool form these ugly chaotic water crystals, whereas words like love and beautiful or gratitude form these beautifully perfect

water crystals. Now, water can't read, right? But the frequency coming from the written words change the water molecules. And this demonstrates that blessings, what comes out of our mouth? We have the power in our tongue for death or life. So when we speak a blessing, it has the power to bring forth beauty to heal. When we speak a curse, it has the power to destroy. So when we are writing scripture on rocks and depositing in the water, we are healing the waters. We are defeating the water spirits and their powers by inserting the word of God. Another strategy is cleansing the water with salts.

This comes out of 2nd Kings 2, 19 through 22. Then we can blow the shofar over the waters as well. That represents the voice of the Lord going out, which comes from Psalm 293. And then lastly, we can release a new song. And this is from Psalm 144 7 through 10. This is what we did. The Lord led us to do this strategy. We were praying doing reconnaissance on the Osorno Volcano in Chile.

And it was on a lake, and there was a huge sea monster in that lake. And so we were releasing a new song as a way to cleanse the waters and push back that water kingdom. And this is Psalm 144, 7 through 10. It says, reach down your hand from on high. Deliver me and rescue me from the mighty waters, from the hands of foreigners whose mouth are full of lies whose right hands are deceitful. I will sing a new song to you, my God. On the 10-stringed leer, I will make music to you, to the one who gives victory to kings who delivers his servant, David. And one of the beautiful things about releasing a new song, what that means is essentially

what is coming out of our heart. Our heart of worship is coming out in song right there in that moment. And that's the power that can defeat a water strategy. So just to wrap up my story about this, about Lakeshore, so when I came home from that trip, not only was there a suicide that happened, but the lead intercession that brought me into Lakeshore, she's a spiritual gatekeeper for that community. She's an entrepreneur. She's been in business in that community and live there for well over 32 years. She's very well established, born again, spirit-filled believer. The next day, she found a witch behind her property cursing her property. She actually took a picture of the witch. Wow. And her property backs up to this major lake. Well, the next day, after the witch

cursed, thousands of black water bugs covered her pool deck. And so she called her pool guy to come in, and he had never seen anything like it in all the years he had been servicing pools in this area. And that was a physical manifestation of the water spirits. Then she started having leaks in her home. She and her daughter in business together. Her daughter started having leaks in her home. Then they started having difficulty with their business. So people stopped paying for services they had already provided them.

And then they had to pay an enormous amount of taxes. I mean, it sounds horrible. Like people are like, no, we don't really want you, Laura, to come into town. But there's a good story. So hang in there. So she called me and she's like, Laura, I have never lost so much money in such a short period of time. And most intercessors would cut their losses and throw in the towel.

But remember what I said, that the two factors of community transformation, the first one is enduring leadership. This woman is enduring. She is committed to this land, has lived there more than 32 years now. And fervent, united prayer. She persevered. She did not give in. And she fasted.

She asked the Lord to show her what open doors in my life is allowing this attack. She repented. She gathered the intercessors. They went to the lake. They prayed. They repented. They worshipped. They wrote scripture.

They blew the shofar and they threw the scripture on rocks into the lake. They did that on both sides of the lake. And that week, breakthrough came in the city. The mayor fired five department heads because these department heads were corrupt, not doing their business, seeking their own pocket. Then the Lord started exposing sexual perversion in businesses. People would walk in and two married people, not married to each other, were having sex in the office, like caught, plain daylight.

Then the Turtle Cove development I was talking about, it started imploding. It started going bankrupt. Then it caught fire and burnt to the ground in a major rainstorm. There was no explanation for how it just absolutely burnt to the ground. Then there was an election in because the mayor had like cleaned house, got rid of not only five department heads, but so many city officials. the way down to the dog catcher. I mean, this intercessor called me, she's like, Laura, I have never seen so much turnover in our city offices before. Well, so they had to have elections to, you know, replace the people that got fired. And in the city runoff for a city official or city

council, I think it was, there was a born-again believer, spirit-filled that was running. And we all were interceding. And it was a tight race. Went to a runoff election. And he one in the runoff. And so the Lord is in the midst of transforming this community. And that's just an example of how spiritual mapping can bring transformation. And it's not complete yet. I mean, there's still, it is a major battle right now. Because when you think about strongholds that have been there for decades, if not hundreds and hundreds of years, the enemy doesn't want to release that territory quickly. So oftentimes there's this tug of war. And that's why we need persevering intercession. It's just not a one and done. It's maintenance prayer. You're going and praying

ongoing basis. But this is just an example of how spiritual mapping can transform communities. It's, it's wild because, I mean, it's, it's like what you're, what you're laying out here is, is soldier talk. You have to be about it. You know, this is, like you said, like, it's not a one-off. This is, you have to be about your father's business and take it serious. and it's a lifestyle. It's not, and you know, it's funny is that some people might hear everything that you talked about and they're like, that sounds exhausting. I think I just let life be on default. Even your life on default is you putting unnecessary effort into things you don't want to be putting effort into. Like, you have no choice in the matter. Your energy is going to go somewhere.

And so if you want to live life spiritually on default and just let things happen as they happen and take your punches when you take them, that's up to you. Or you can be proactive and be about the father's business and handle work. Absolutely. You've said so many things here. I'm going to try to contain all my thoughts as briefly as possible. One, I'm going to start with Mark 4 or 5, I think it is, where you have the storm in the sea of Galilee and Jesus is sleeping in the Lord wake up, you know, and he rebukes a storm.

but that from what we're talking about could have been an example of of that because I look at that storm as a supernatural storm and it's one of my favorite stories right now like I go through these phases and like Daniel 10 for a while was like I would read it just like almost every day I was just in love with the story of how it all unfolded and then mark four and five because like Jesus he says we're going to on the other side and it says that other boats took off so there was other witnesses to this whole event. I mean, it wasn't just him and his disciples. And there's this, what I'll call a supernatural storm that comes in. And it was so bad that four of the fishermen, for the disciples who were fishermen

on that territory, they themselves were terrified. And thought they were going to die. Yeah. And so it's like it should just paint the picture of how bad this storm was. And Jesus rebukes a storm, continues what I'll say is marching on because when he gets to the other side, he encounters the man possessed by Legion. And he handles that situation. And it's not like he walked around. He didn't make a fire. He didn't, hey, let's go check this out here. He literally said, hey, we're going to get in the boat. We're going to go to the other side. Supernatural storm comes in trying to prevent him from getting to Legion. He goes over, handles business with Leisure. He goes over, handles business with And what does he say?

Okay, let's get back in the boat and go back to the other side. He literally just went over there to wage war and then went back. You know? And so it's like when you take these stories and put them all together, you have this supernatural storm of the enemy just saying, no, stop. And I, and I, this is just my own thinking on it. I feel like it wasn't to kill Jesus because I don't think that was even, I don't know. I just, for me, in my heart, I just feel like that wasn't the mission there. There was a, there's a particular time that Christ was going to come and die.

But I do believe the enemy knew that there were seasoned fishermen on that boat that it could get them. Instead of waking up Jesus, just make the executive decision to turn the boat around, right? And go back to, just go back. Oh, yeah. You know? I haven't thought of that. And so, like, I just feel like that, like, that whole story is playing out this, this, this, this. from the spiritual to the physical warfare.

And it's Christ at the center of that story. And I want to say, do you remember the Indonesia? I think it was Indonesia tsunami in Indonesia. I don't know if this story is true. I don't. But I remember when that happened hearing a story of there was a missionary that was out on the water with people from, I guess, the church or whatever, as the tsunami was coming in.

Oh, wow. And he stood up on the boat in the face of death, rebuked the tsunami, and there were witnesses to see, because this is what got my brain turning with it, because you mentioned about how you rebuked the storm and it split. The tsunami split around the boat. And the missionary and the people on the boat survived.

Oh, wow. And so it's just like things like that, right? Yes. Yes. It's like that's what when I read the scripture, when I hear about that story, it's like, it's like, wow. And then when you're talking about the Marine Kingdom, it's just like, yes, it's that's real. It's active. And if you mentioned about the percentage of the earth that is covered in water, that's an awfully large kingdom, you know?

And I guess I'll just my final thought on this whole thing because I don't want to just ramble from topic to topic. And maybe I'll hand it over to you for a question on this. I'm sure you probably thought of it at some point. The UFO phenomenon. Right now, my local representative, have you heard of Tim Burchett? He's one of these disclosure guys in Congress. He's my local rep. He has offices here in town.

Oh, wow. And he has been talking a lot about the U.S.O. Underwater Submerged Objects phenomenon. Yeah. And we've talked about it for years about people saying they see UFOs go into the water coming out of the water. I have pictures of a UFO coming out of the water. This is when I first, very first started show, within the first few months, a guy in Canada was taking a video of, of a storm coming in off the bay.

And there's lightning strikes and everything. And then when he was reviewing the video, he was slow scrolling and trying to catch a lightning strikes for a picture to take a screenshot. And he saw an object as fast as a lightning bolt strikes coming out of the water. And then I think there's three pictures I have. One of it coming out of the water halfway through the sky and then exiting the frame. Oh, wow. And so it's like there's activity happening in the water, right?

And I know I don't have the same perspectives, I would say, exactly the same perspectives as other friends of mine when it comes to UFOs and things like that. The more I look at this stuff, I'm like, it ain't good. You know, and I just, I wonder if there is, uh, I often pontificate, I suppose, about the underwater kingdom, the marine kingdom, the activity down there. When it comes to the U.S.Os, could there be demonic portals there that they enter and leave? Like, it's so vast and unexplored that there could be that. like we often look at you know when people talk about portals they're like oh look at the sky for a portal or or maybe you know look look through the woods but yeah but could there be entryways

underwater right where just like in both ofville like I was saying yeah that false river and so like I don't know but the the the I don't think we should overlook the idea that we're talking about a marine kingdom And we also have, it's a hot topic of disclosure stuff, but also this idea of craft going in and out of water. What are these crafts? Nobody knows. But we all have theories. I personally think that a lot of this stuff is fallen angel technology. And it's coming from somewhere not sanctioned by God. And could there be that kind of stuff on a large scale happening underneath the water because we don't see it? Right. But you think about even, I'll just go to movies, Revelation of the method that movies use,

they show us what the occult, what the Illuminati, I call them Nephlam hosts, what they're involved in. So you think about Little Mermaid as an example. Or you think about, Zachari is going to hate me for this because whenever I pick on Star Wars, he's like, hey, that's my favorite. But that, and I'm butchering because I don't remember the world under the water, but where Jar Jar Binks is from, if you've seen that at all. But there's a whole underwater world down there. And these movies are not just somebody's imagination. Oftentimes it's revelation of the method. Just like when I was in Valdivia, they're displaying on the plaza next to the pendulum what they're doing. And we write it off as, oh, you know, that's a fun, you know, character plot or a fun movie to go watch. But really what they're telling us is there are underwater worlds.

And there are gods, princes, princesses of the underwater's. So it's definitely real. I agree with you. And I haven't really spent much time researching, like deep diving into the U.S.os and the UFOs. but I have seen the footage, certainly, of craft coming up out of the waters. And it doesn't surprise me, given what the Lord has taught me about the water kingdom. Well, I'll tell you what, I've benefited so much from the two conversations I had with you today, but also yesterday going out and participating in part of spiritual mapping.

the there it was like uh there was something being ignited on the inside right i just and i think you said at first which because i like i think i get in my head a lot about stuff and how i how i communicate things with people that i respect right and so i didn't want to i didn't know if it was appropriate to tell you how much fun it was but you're walking away you're like this fun right it was so much fun i was like that was so much fun i was like that was so much much fun, you know, like, just going out and just praying, walking around and seeking the Holy Spirit's guidance on, on the area you're walking. It was just, I just brought something to life, you know? And so it was just really good. And I've really felt like I benefited a lot from that

yesterday. And then this conversation, obviously, and I would be, the great thing is that it's recorded so I can have transcripts. and I can really just make sure I have this down and I have you on speed dial. All right. So how do I do this part? But I want to start implementing. And I'm going to do it respectfully. And I'm going to do it with I want to do it properly.

You know, I want to do it properly. And so I appreciate your time and spending it here and is recording with us and just I hope it was fun for you because there's a blast for me. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And I have fun too. In fact, Zachariah, his first time doing reconnaissance was a couple of weeks ago in War West Virginia and Jackson, Kentucky. And he said the same thing.

He's like, this is fun. Yeah. I said, absolutely. I mean, I could do this all my days. It is so much fun. Yeah. But I will say this for those that want to go a little bit deeper, I have a lot. I have a seven-part series on, it's called Transformation Through Spiritual Mapping on my YouTube

channel, which is called No Longer Enslaves. So that would be kind of the next step of training for people. And then if any of your listeners want, feel like the Lord is calling them into spiritual mapping, they can reach out to me. I've got a spreadsheet that I'm collecting of people that are either doing active spiritual mapping or are interested, and I have their location where they're at, their emails, and I'm constantly connecting people building networks. Because we've got some territory to take back the enemy has stolen.

And schools, so that kids have a different perspective and they don't have to choose, make wrong choices. Oh, my gosh. All right, we're going to bring some of them. But I just got to say, because you brought up schools, I mean, the school violence that we see, like, it's easy to let man define and dictate how you view and think about things and get all flustered and look at things as a political problem or solution when it's spiritual. It totally is spiritual. I mean, I'm not going to go into too great details because some of it's a little personal, but the amount of...

school violence and shootings and mass murder, it is alarming. And I think that in itself has a demonic inspiration that is behind it. And to make a hard U-turn real quick, because I was struggling to remember the name of this thing. And I text Jack and put him on it. He just texted me the answer. I didn't I did it because you mentioned about

somewhere in your talk about the Marine Kingdom about pulling people in the water I think it was or something of that it's called the Kappa K-A-P-P-A It's a it's a quote-unquote cryptid

in China I believe it's China it's an Asian country and what Japan Japan okay so in Japan K-A P-A Kappa and it is

And I did an interview with a Marine who was stationed there and had an experience with this. And he was calling it a cryptid and stuff. I'm like, bro, that is a demon. That is a demon. But it looks like a turtle. But it comes up out of the water. And on its head is like a shape of a bowl and it has water in the head. And it is known for dragging and pulling children into the water.

Oh, wow. and killing them. Wow. And so, and it's like, it's just considered as a matter of fact there. It's like, they just know it's there. It's just, that's what it is. So maybe you'll find yourself in Japan one day. Maybe. Handling business. Maybe. Father's business. So, that's right. I appreciate you being here. Thank you. Yeah. My pleasure. It was great to be here. Awesome. sing a looting. I'm made, this prison away. I can't find escape, cause I want to taste.

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