The Confessionals - 851: The Near-Death Experience That Exposed The Second Heaven’s Mosh Pit of Chaos

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

He died for 18 days… and what he saw changed everything.Gabe Poirot joins Tony to share the shocking moment a skateboard accident left him clinically dead, launching him into an encounter beyond the veil where he witnessed the chaos of the second heaven, the reality of spiritual warfare, and was ultimately drawn into the presence of Jesus Himself . What he describes isn’t symbolic, it’s a vivid account of leaving his body, being pulled through a war-filled spiritual realm, and standing before Christ, where fear, guilt, and shame were instantly erased by grace. The conversation unpacks what he saw about prayer, spiritual authority, and the unseen battle happening right now, along with the urgency of the time we’re living in. Sent back with a clear message, Gabe now shares what he believes people are missing: this life is not the full story, and the window to respond is closing faster than we think.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesGabe Poirot18 Days In HeavenSPONSORSSIMPLISAFE: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICJoel Thomas - Otherside of The SunYouTube | Apple Music | Spotify

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We have more stuff coming soon, more designs coming soon. Very excited about that. And last but not least, let's get to our guest today. We have my friend Gabe coming on the show and Gabe passed away and died and he had an NDE near death experience. And what he describes he experienced on the other side is absolutely earth-shattering for so many people when it comes to what actually happens when we die. Do we actually exist somewhere else? Well, Gabe had an experience in heaven. 18 days later, he comes back to talk about it and he wrote a book about it called 18 Days in Heaven, which is releasing everywhere worldwide today. You can get it on Amazon. You can get it on slingshot library.com. It doesn't matter where you get it, but go ahead and get his book 18 days in heaven

for the full detailed story of how he died for 18 days and then came back to talk about what he experienced. on the other side. Let's get to Gabe right now. Today we got Gay Perot in studio. How you doing, man? Tony, thanks for having me. I say in studio, but this is like my makeshift studio. And I was thinking about the other day, I recorded with Krista Black, and I didn't address that we were in a different studio. And so I wanted to do it today. We're in a different studio. We're in Nashville. We just got done at the NRB conference. And I had to bring you over here to do a longer form conversation. You have the book 18 Days in Heaven, which is a testimony that you have been sharing that is absolutely wild.

I didn't know your testimony. We first met at our media conference with Alan Dideo, and I didn't know the extent of your testimony. And I remember asking you, there's something specific. I can't remember what it was, but I was asking you, you just told me, the Lord hasn't released me to tell that part yet. And I'm just like, whoa, okay.

Well, when he gives you the go-head, can you give me a call? And so here we are. So I'm really glad to have you, man. And you've been just such a blessing for me to see somebody walking it out. And we were just talking about some other things off camera. But there's a lot of people in this world that will say certain things, but they're not actually about it. You're actually about it. You're actually walking out your faith.

And how could you not with the experience you had? If you could today, I don't know. I know my audience is a little bit different than a lot of people's audiences. So I don't know how many people actually know who you are and what your testimony is. but I would like to talk to you about your testimony day and then we can get into second heaven, third heaven conversation. I've been really heavy on those kind of talks recently in the last couple years.

So the floor is yours, my friend. Tell us how this happened for you when it came to spending an 18-day period in heaven. Yeah, well, it really was an ordinary day, October 25th, 2021. And me and my buddies were just out. I had an electric skateboard, boosted board, going about 30 miles per hour without a helmet, of course, because who wears those? No one.

No, no. So there was really nothing wrong with my life at the time. And also, I didn't really believe in a lot of supernatural things. I almost would laugh when I would hear of supernatural stories because it was just, it was like, oh, that's interesting. You know, nice to hear about. But again, it wasn't anything real to me until, as we hooked around the curve of the road, there's just the little light bump, just a couple inches. And I hit it and just flipped right, right.

I literally did a back flip off my board and landed right on my head. And it was about, again, 30 miles per hour. And it didn't touch any other part of my body. And my skull immediately cracked from the top down to the spine. And blood was not only gushing out of my ears, but vomit filled my lungs. that's actually pretty much what killed me. And that hospital, as the doctor even told me this, that I actually flatlined, I basically died.

They resuscitated me, but even after they resuscitated me, I didn't fully come back to life for the next 18 days. I was in a coma that was barely responsive at all. It was life and death truly. And so I quickly came to an understanding of the spiritual world. Yeah. quickly came to an understanding that that life is not just about flesh and blood what i can like see on this earth but there is an entire realm behind the veil and i i saw my own body that

my friend was holding and i said to myself wow i used i used to be in that body but that's not me i saw him holding my dead body in his arms so it was like your your your spirit so i left your body. Yeah, my spirit just exited my body. It was as smooth as you taking that shirt off when you get, you know, done with your day and you just put it to the ground and you look at your shirt, but your shirt isn't you. Your shirt was just something you had on. That's our bodies. Like our bodies are literally just a vehicle that gives us authority on the earth, but our bodies are not us. Yeah. And so you have this experience. You're literally dead. I mean, you left your body. And you're saying it felt, so you didn't, you didn't, before we get into what came after that, you didn't feel any anxiety. Was it a sense of peace? It wasn't just a sense of peace. It was peace himself.

This was a person. This wasn't just a thing. There was no fear or pain when it happened. And it's so counterintuitive to say that, right? Because like my body is in the worst case scenario. There's no other part of me that could have gotten injured that would have been as bad, right? Even, you know, my friends, the amount of intense tragedy they were witnessing with their eyes. Yet for me, it wasn't a tragedy, like at all.

And I just remember looking at my body and saying myself, wow, I've only seen one thousandth of what life is on the earth. Because this entire time, I was just so caught up in what I could feel and what I could see. And I never saw the second heaven, which is what. I was quickly realizing, and then the third heaven. And the second heaven is civil war. Second heaven is war, man. Like, I'm telling you, war. There's so many principalities, powers, angels, fallen angels.

There's also the fallen spirits of the hybrid creatures, which is still angels, but there's different categories to them. And it's chaos. Wow. So were you, I guess, ascending through second heaven to the third heaven? Yes, that's a way to put it. But I wouldn't just say through as if it's a location. It's a dimension that is deeper than just physical or linear.

I'll describe it like this, you know, when we were in school and you learn like 2D versus 3D, and you're like, wow, 3D is so much more dimensional, you know. But then the spiritual is even more so than just like a 4D. And actually scientists have talked about this. Now they're finding more and more dimensions. And they're quickly realizing that just what we feel and see here is nothing compared to the realms depth, if that makes sense. So yeah, I was suctioned up by this light. And this light wasn't just a thing or a visible light.

This light was a person that I was literally being drawn towards. Okay. So you're talking about different dimensions. Yeah. Is like the second heaven from your perspective made up of all these different dimensions all at one time? The second heaven is one of the dimensions. Okay. It's how I describe it, right?

So like we live in a one dimension on the earth. And then the second heaven is, like you could say the fourth, 4D, fourth dimension. It's not just above the skies we see. Like people think of the spiritual as just above. It's behind. It's in and it's through. So how can I describe this? It's, again, it's inherently deeper than that which we are trained to see with our physical eyes.

And so it was also a lot of sludge, chaos, principalities and powers that were ruling over spirit, the spirits of human beings. over, and when I say spirits, I mean, you know, you are a spirit, I am a spirit, but we live in a body, is how I describe it. Yeah. And so, our spirit has what's called a bank, I put it. I saw a bank upon every spirit, and this bank

is the words of our testimony, and it either links the light to us or darkness. There is no in between. Like, there are no gray angels. There are no, well, there are, but they're not gray. They're dark. There's no... When you say gray angels, what do you mean,

that. Gray is a mixture. Gray is a neither light nor dark, right? It's a question, oh, who is that? They kind of look light. It looks like it could be something good, but they're very dark inherently. And so when I say there's no such thing as gray angels, what I mean by that is there's only two sides to this story. And people, I think, talk a lot about the spiritual and supernatural, and they really don't understand. There is only light and darkness. There's no in between. There's no free agents? No. There's no free agents that play both sides. And if they appear to play both sides, if they appear to play the side of light, but they're not inherently light, those are even, you could say, the darkest ones. Wow. Wow. So they're the most deceptive. Most deceptive.

And the Bible talks about these angels or Satan being able to appear as an angel of light. So that's one of the things that I constantly come back to. is, you know, people have experiences that they walk away from saying there was a positive experience, therefore it was good. But when I know that the Bible says that Satan can appear as an angel of light, the only thing we can do at that point then is go back to the scripture to fact check. How does the actual experience line up with what the scripture says? Exactly. And you know why he masquerades himself as an angel of light? He was found on the sapphire floor, and he was actually so close back back in the day he was so close to god that that one day he said

you know what why don't i just be god myself he trained himself and he knew how actually to look like god and that's how now that's why now he presents himself as he disguises himself to every single person as if he will be everything they need and hope and he becomes the god of every person the more they listen and he's a chief disguiser but really he's just he's copying and masquerading himself as Yahweh but he's doing it

his way. Wow. So I want to kind of pull threads at the second heaven stuff but I kind of want to I kind of want to go to the throne really. Yeah, of course. Of course. Because, all right, before we go there though

is it safe to I guess for me to compartmentalize me? have never been in your shoes. Okay, so I don't, it's hard. And you understand you've done plenty of interviews. It's hard to understand certain things, especially even for you probably to even put it into words what you experienced. Shoot, I have a hard time putting into words what I experienced,

and it's just normal everyday life, you know? But as you're going through this experience, I'm assuming you encountered second heaven before third heaven. Yeah. Was that a very quick interaction, or then you got to the third heaven where you see other things, or was there like a process where it felt like you were kind of in second heaven area? A little bit of a sludge, but it was pretty quick, but also I still understood that I had made it out of the sludge. I call it like a sludge pot, a mosh. In second heaven?

The second heaven is a mosh pit of chaos. Okay. But yet it was pretty quick out of there. So it was quick, yet I understood what was there, if that makes sense. So it's like this intuition that kind of downloads. Exactly. It's like an intuition that maybe you didn't get from a super long experience, but you just know what was going on, if that makes sense.

I literally can only imagine what that feels like, you know, but it's got to be wild to have this experience where like literally intuition is taken over and you just know certain things. and you see how it works, it's just, it seems incomprehensible. It's not only incomprehensible. It's wild because I'll start typing on my laptop and telling stories that I literally am reading and I'm like, wow, that happened? Because it still doesn't, what my experience still doesn't feel like, but it feels like I'm

telling the story of another person because after I came back in my body, I came back with the same brain and the sludge of all the earth that I now have to still work through, you know, like so and now i'm telling of an encounter that i didn't have in my body so it's like it's again it's it's a different dimension that i have to even as i'm sharing my testimony it happened to me i know it happened to me but i still share it you know in in uh i have to see in the spirit even as i share it yeah because again i made fun of for sharing my real testimony you know you're made fun of oh of course people laugh at me all the time you know and and and people i mean it's it's wild how quickly they just even the christians will dismiss this huh

And those who claim to be spiritual will dismiss this so fast yet. Yet, here it is. And I'm glad that the humans rejecting your story doesn't prevent you from telling your story. Never, never. Which it's so deep and meaningful for you that why would you, right? So when you actually have these experiences and you, the reality of God, like, you thought you, you thought you believed in God before. Now it's like, it got to be on a whole other level.

I can only imagine. So, like, who cares what man says at that point? And again, I don't want to skip too far ahead, but because of what you just said, when you come out of the coma and you're back in the sludge, like, was there a level of depression there? Like, I don't really want to be here. I don't really want to be here. I'm still like, I don't want to be here. But I want to get him into that later because he sent me back and he actually told me that my time is not up yet. Gotcha. And so he gives me purpose here, right?

So I can find joy in the purpose and the journey, joy in the journey. However, and I didn't steal that from a Pinterest quote, by the way, I wasn't even, I'm not. Does anybody do Pinterest anymore? I don't know. I don't personally, so. Sorry, I'm getting, what was I, what was I saying? We were, I kind of jumped too far. Yeah, you stretched me there.

Yeah. Because I have to have to prepare. So, you know, as I was suctioned up into this light, again, this light wasn't even a religion. This light wasn't an organization. This light wasn't a thing. This light was a person. This light wasn't something I had to work towards anyways. It was a light that called me, period.

Picture a magnet, a very strong one, and an item. And when it's being pulled by that magnet, there's nothing it can do to escape. it's going to where it belongs. For me, I was going home, Tony. I was going home. I belonged to where I was going. And as I was being suctioned up, everything else just melted off.

And I was brought to the city. But this city was not just a location. I don't even say the city was a location. It wasn't a city like you think of down here on this earth. This city was a person. The city had a breath. The city had a song. Everyone and everything sang the same note, the same pitch, the same smell, the same appearance, the same beauty, left, right, up, down.

The mountains would release a note. Worthy is the lamb. Worthy is the lamb. The ocean would receive it and sing worthy is the lamb, worthy is the lamb. worthy is the lamb the waves would crash one after the other worthy is the lamb worthy is the lamb and the sand would receive it the beach would receive it worthy as the lamb the forest the trees the beauty would receive it all and sing it back left right up down front behind he was there love was there and there was no escape there was no hiding i have often thought of about what it would be like to be in the presence of God, like truly in his presence. And I often think about the infinite glory that I'd be experiencing.

And I feel like that's what you just described. Because I try to understand an infinite God with a finite mind, and it's hard. But if everything is alive and, And giving him glory. Every moment in the presence is a new moment of giving that glory. It's, that's wild. So what happens next?

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And I'm like, what? Like, it doesn't make sense to me. Because there's a reverence. Like, this is not someone. This is not just someone. This is him, man. This is him. This is king of kings, Lord of Lords.

This is Alpha and Omega beginning in the end, the one who existed outside of existence. And yet, he was waiting on me. And so I'm brought to the center of the city. So the city has no end. The city has no escape. But there's this center. And he's both everywhere yet here at the same time. I compare it to a, if I had a pen and I folded, you know, a lot of pages together.

And I fold them together and I write a mark on this one spot of the pen. But then I, if I let off the pages, that same mark will flow on all the pages. He's both in the center yet he flows, he unfolds. and all the pages of heaven at the same exact time. But I am brought to that center where he is. And I was deathly afraid. I was very concerned because I was like, oh my goodness, I'm done for. The record of my mistakes, all my sin, my hypocrisy, my addictions,

my lying, my everything, it's going to get shown and I'm done. I have no chance. No. I don't have a right to be before this king. I don't even have a right to be an acquaintance of his. I sincerely have no right to be in this place. Like, I was not entitled at all. So as I'm just very concerned with my own record, my head is down.

I don't want to, like, I don't want to lift my head. I'm just like, I'm struck with like just this reverence. He lifts my face and he says, Gabriel, look at me. Why are you concerned about that, which is paid for? And there's a smile, but it's like, it's not like a smile. that's like, it's like this smile that is like free and full of joy and just like peace at the same exact time. And it's just like, he said it was such confidence. He said it with zero awareness of my sin like ever. I was forgiven, Tony. And I was so concerned about all my mistakes and all my

shame and all my guilt and all my failures. Like I was concerned. I was nothing. I was concerned that I was just literally nothing to him because who would I be? Like, I'm nothing. Like, I'm nothing. But he looked at me as if I was everything to him and I was forgiven. And before this encounter, you know, I was born again. I knew a little bit about him. I placed my faith in him. That was about, it. But like, this is different because now it's knowing him. Now it's knowing his grace. Now it's knowing the price it was paid. And he then lifted his hands and I looked. And they, there's the scars there's the wounds i say wounds slash scar they weren't just they weren't just wounds they they had depth as i looked into the wounds it was the depth of eternity all of eternity

of my mistakes that he paid for and there was a name and it's the name was gabriel because he did it for me He did it for just me. Just me. And it was forever paid for it. The case was closed. And when he spoke those words to me, he spoke it with such confidence. Like, what are you concerned about, Gabriel?

Like, he had no awareness of what I was concerned about. And he is the truth, by the way. Like, people talk about a subjective truth. Oh, truth is what you feel. Truth is what you think. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about a Christ that doesn't. not play around. He is the truth. You don't bring your opinion to him. Watch out. He's not like some

soft or even, he's not really even like nice. Like this, we present this Jesus as if he's just some like hippie. Yeah, hippie, nice guy. He's like not. Like the Jesus I encountered was a man. Like, a man. Like, good luck trying to bring your opinion to that, to him. But he literally looked at me with such like, he was, he was almost just, Gabriel, why are you? concerned about that which I paid for. The case is closed. You are forgiven. Like, not just forgiven of that which I had done in the past. He wasn't even aware of what I'd done in the past. He sincerely wasn't, even though I certainly had made mistakes. People will mishear me. I certainly was a sinner on the earth. I had so many failures, so many hypocrisies,

so many addictions, so many lifestyles that I had chosen that were wrong. Yet he looked at me as if I had never fallen short. That's beautiful. we read about it in the Bible, we say we understand it, but to hear the way you just laid it out, it's beautiful. And maybe we could kind of hone in on that a little bit here because there's a lot of people who might have, well, there's a lot of people that question when they die where they're going to go. and they have different backgrounds, histories, theologies.

And to hear you say this, there's probably somebody saying, yeah, but at what level, what kind of Christian was he before he died that got him into God's grace like that? Because I know me, and I know, you know, I feel like if I went back to church, I would, I don't know, light the church on fire. You know, you hear people say such things like that. I mean, it sounds like you were probably just your normal Christian guy that is just like, yeah, Jesus is my Lord and Savior, but it didn't really penetrate on the depth it is now. Is that the case? Yeah, I would say at the time before my accident, I had placed my faith in him.

And I certainly had made a decision for him. But again, I wasn't, I wasn't aware of the truth like this. Like, this is different. Like, this changed everything. And, yeah, that's how I would describe it. So there's a, there's a, I think people feel like there's a, they need to be 100% live a perfect life, sold out. And they have to earn their way into heaven past their salvation moment. Oh, yeah.

That was definitely not me. didn't earn my weight. Yeah. No, like he looked at me. We often put it in their own hands. Yeah. The reason, like, Tony, here's what I found. When he looked at me, he wasn't, he wasn't seeing my list and seeing if I qualified for him.

He looked at me out of his own, his own love, not because that was something he did. It was who he was. Wow. And it was who he is. And it was who he will forever be. Love to me. Hmm. And there's nothing I can do to stop him from being.

him. That's deep. How dare I think that I have the ability to limit him, even in my own failure, even in my own mistakes. How dare I think that the one who chose me was ever wrong? Oh, how dare I ever think the one who chose me was ever wrong? That's good. That's real good. And I hope that puts it in perspective for some people because I, and I'm speaking to myself on this, because I mean, I struggle with just, you know, the guys would tell you, I beat myself up a lot, you know, and I can get not so much anymore, but I come from a background where I felt like I had to earn my salvation. And it was, it was a tough, it was a tough period of my life where I had to figure out truly what, God's grace meant, you know. And so hearing that is very encouraging. So you're looking at his hands and you're seeing this and you said that, you know, he did it for me, right? And it's wild because what you're saying in that experience you had is something that's available to everybody.

Everybody can be walking away from that experience saying he did it for me. And like when you're in his presence, you're the sole singular focus of his attention and affection. Is that right? I mean, I was everything to him, Tony. I will be everything to. That's wow. That's wow. So where does this interaction go from there then? I mean, like, is it because like that, it's like, well, obviously, you're here. So I understand. But like, I mean, at that point, I'd be like, Jesus, I don't want to go anywhere, you know? Like, if staring at his wounded hands is all I ever get, that's perfect. You know what I'm saying?

Like, just the presence alone. Yeah. There was, it was like such a moment with him where it felt like a minute, yet it felt like thousands of years at the same exact time. And he showed me some different things. He showed me the timeline of Moses when he saw the burning bush. Do you know this? Moses didn't just see a burning bush.

Moses saw the eyes of Christ. You know why? Moses presented himself to God. And he said, God, I can't do this. I can't lead the people. I have no ability. I have speech impediment. I'm a failure.

And God first said, I am who I am. And then God said, Moses, you are sent. Lead them. to the promised land. Why? Because when you see the I am, you'll see who you are. Moses in the burning bush looked into the eyes of Christ. And I met that same burning bush when I saw Jesus.

Jesus is the burning bush. He's the rod that splits the sea. He's the, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's every Bible chapter in, in the entire narrative we've been given. And he's the stone in David's sling that hit Goliath. He's Noah's Ark. There's types and shadows of Christ and everything. 2026 is the year where actually Christ is more among us than we realize. You know it's actually kind of wild.

If you look at John 2026, that scripture actually is where Jesus appeared to his disciples and he was found among them. It's kind of wild. We live in a very important year where Christ is speaking. Yet are we missing him? Because he speaks a lot of times through little things. There's no such thing as little. Yeah, so that's a whole, I'm kind of getting off a little bit there. But yeah, he showed me Moses and the bush that he saw.

And just so many timelines. It was both the past, the present, and the future wrapped in one at the same exact time. Makes sense of that. Well, the only way I can is, really, I really use this example a lot. But again, if I had a book, and actually there are libraries in heaven. So this actually is a very practical example I'm giving you. Okay, there's libraries in heaven. And the father literally has a book about your life.

Tony, there's a book in heaven, Tony Merkel. Well, and the name, the name he's given you, but he's not going to tell me your name. And he's not going to tell anyone your name except you one day when you're there. But there's a name, right? And there's a book of your life. and he writes out the plan that he has for you. And it may be your past, you're present and your future.

Like there's this timeline, right? But it's not linear. Here's why. He takes the pages. He folds them all together. He wraps them all together for his good. And then he marks it with his fingerprint, with his touch.

And his touch is so deep that it goes, it goes on all the different pages, right? I wish I had a pen on me. But then when he releases the pages, right and the pages come to life they're they're all throughout the book I see see what I'm getting at they're folded in one yet they're all in the same time

so it's the past present and future folded together stamped because he exists outside of time right yeah because the time is only recognizable by our time on earth sure right so we're talking about the one who's outside of time okay

so he stamps his blood he stamps his word he stamps his true the truth himself. And out of that unfolds our life. Now you know why the Bible says we are the living book. We are the living epistles, a living testimony of the one who made us. We are literally unfolding the plan and purpose of our father as we live according to his will, according to who he made us to be.

Wow. So he shows me in these timelines. Like as I look in Christ, I see that Moses didn't just exist thousands of years ago. like Moses is still alive today. He's still seeing the burning bush. He didn't see the burning bush thousands of years ago. He did see it then, but he's still seeing it today. See, see.

Wow. That's wild to think about it. But why do we have to think about time differently? Well, because how selfish and stupid would it be to think that the truth of time is just earth time? That's really limited, man. earth time is not the truth of time. Earth time is not the truth.

Wow. And for evidence of that, your son, how long does it feel until his next birthday? He's always asking you, Dad, when is my birthday? Yeah. It feels like forever. But to you, his birthday is right next door tomorrow. It's going to come fast. You're looking at him.

You're like, you're growing so fast. Why? Yeah. You have more experience than him on the earth. Yeah. Your judgment is different because your action against it. is subjective. Now, think about eternity himself. See? Yeah. See? Absolutely. I mean, my daughter's five. So, she's, you know, one year is 20% of her entire life. Yeah. And so, like, for me, being 40,

well, let's just say it's a lot. And so everything flies by more. That's a great example. You mentioned something about libraries in heaven? Yeah. Okay, so we got a book with my name on that I don't know yet. Is that in the library? What's in the library? There's an entire library just about what he's written about your life and how your life is written back to him.

There's moments that you've given to him that he writes all about. They're precious to him. He counts everything you give to him as personal. There's moments As a viewer is watching this video right now There's a book being written about their moment They could have with him They're not just listening to the sound of my voice

As if it's just some distant testimony But if they want to encounter Christ now Even by faith Even though they don't see him with their eyes They can have an encounter as they're listening to the sound of my voice He told me that would happen He said Gabriel when you share your testimony Many will encounter me

And you've seen that Oh yeah I mean that's like A lady was telling me this morning she was just trying to put on makeup while she was reading the book. And she said she had to drop everything. And like she was like Stansell because she was just crying tears of and being touched by it. Jesus, like didn't know what was happening. She's just like what it's happening right now.

Like, you know, she can't even get ready for her day. That's why. Because you realize like nothing matters. Like she's like, this makeup doesn't matter. Like what people think of me doesn't matter. Like my life just matter. Like all that matters is Christ. Yeah.

Like it's funny. Like people talk about matrix. the matrixes. And like when you bust out of the, the matrix that you've been sitting in and you realize all that matters is Christ. Amen.

Like that's it. Like there's nothing. I mean, I think people have their own trigger points in life when that comes to fruition. And it's a process for some people. I mean, you know, I had wandered to stray in my life.

And when I was in 2014, I came radically back to the Lord. And it's like the idea that, well, now I'm forgetting where I was going with that. What would we just say? I just forgot something where we were saying. You came back. Yeah, but what did you say that? It's spawned that. I hate when this happens. It's a long day. It's gone. The Matrix. The Matrix. Yeah, that's what it was. But, you know, you come back to the Lord and you bust out of this matrix there.

And you think maybe that's, that's, you broke out of it. But I'm telling you, man, like when Lindsay got diagnosed with cancer, like, that's when the busting out really, it was just like, you know what? Nothing matters. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Like, Lindsay is the one I love the most in this life. Period.

Yeah. It's like, I can't, I can't control when she dies. I just can't. Whether it's cancer. or she's 120 years old and God said, well, you reached the limit. This is what I promise. You have 120 years, you know?

I can't choose that. And when I was faced with that, I was like, I don't really care anymore about anything else other than to live as Christ and dies gain, gain. That's it. And then you can never lose. You can't lose.

You can't touch me. Can't lose. The handcuffs come off. And it's just like, I don't really care about what anybody says. Christ is king. I don't care. And so I had my own experience with that. And I think a lot of people have different experiences like that as well.

And hearing that the book and your testimony is doing that for people, it's huge. It's absolutely huge. I'm so glad what, again, I don't know if I'm jumping ahead or not. But, I mean, you come out of a coma. I'm assuming God didn't tell you to write the book. He just told you to tell the story, right? Yeah. Well, I just knew I was supposed to write the book.

He told me to tell. So he did. Well, like, he told me, tell them who I really am. And in the word tell, it wasn't an English word tell. It was live, breathe, everything you do, let it be of me. Let it be your testimony. So a part of that is the book. But that's just like, I don't know.

It's like, I just knew I was supposed to write a book. Like, it's like, it's awesome. It's just, yeah, I just know. I mean, it's, it's, I'm finding out that the, that books hold a different audience than YouTube, right? Yeah. And so it's important if you're going to be distributing this testimony all over the world that you do it through different venues. Exactly. Where do we go?

Do we, do we start talking about this process of coming? Was it a process coming back? You could say so. I was with him, and then I was soon sent back. So I'll describe it. Yeah, please. Show me many things concerning different timelines. And the Elisha timeline as well was pretty interesting.

But I touched on that in my book. And, you know, if people get a copy of that, they'll see more. But I'll get to, I want to get to when he sent me back. So I saw the first heaven, the earth, and I saw the prayers, the words that were spoken over my practically lifeless body. And I saw how these words were literally structures. Not just concrete structures. They were foundational structures.

They built foundations. And foundations that weren't physical, but foundations that were the very key to function, key to movement. And sorry, it's just very very, very challenging to put this into English. So that's why I pause sometimes. No, you're fine. So as I'm witnessing these structures being built, I see them gathered and they're like united,

and they literally are put together towards the third heaven. And Christ himself goes down and he picks up every single prayer and he gathers it into this golden bowl and then presents it to the father. But when he presents these prayers to the father, they're not just from people on the earth. He's presenting it as if it's himself. He says, Father, will you do this for me? And people really need to understand me. Just because a prayer wasn't answered right away on earth doesn't mean it wasn't answered.

You're limiting your version of faith. You're limiting your perspective. You must see things from behind the veil. And I was sent back, that bowl was presented. And then I was sent back on the high, call it a highway, the structure of the words of agreement with God's words. It's why it's important when we pray. We don't just throw things out there, but that we find what God says about us.

Because that's our structure. And actually, scientists have found this. There's a structural in our DNA, laminin, in our cellular structure. It's called laminin. It's the shape of a cross. Really? Yeah, look it up.

Lamin. We are literally made in the shape of a cross, made in the shape of his word. The words of his power form the shape of the universe. there's a lot of really interesting things too if you look into DNA the sulfuric bridges they contain numbers that also translate to Yahweh Y, W, H.Y. There's so many, I mean, like, so many revelations in that, but that's separate of the point. But I'm transported back on the structures of those words. And I then, well, before I was transported back, I never wanted to leave,

but Jesus said, your time is not up. Go back and tell my people who I really am. and who they really are in me. So that was like, do you view what happened to you a divine appointment? Or was it an accident that God used to further his messaging? Both. God didn't want me to break my skull. God's will is always good in life, right? But we can fall and God always wants to pick us up again.

And so he's able to work it all out for his good to those that love him, Romans 8 says. So it was an appointment. But again, you can't limit things down to like, okay, well, God had appointments, so it happened. And that's why it happened before. Well, God's appointments exist outside of, like, past and future. So they're not like a scheduled, like, they're not like a linear schedule where God is just like, all right, I want him to do this. So I'm going to just line this up. So exactly it happens this way.

But it's much more fascinating than that. It's, it's, again, even in the midst of all of our choices and stupid decisions, because that was why I died, just because I wasn't being smart. I died because I wasn't wearing a helmet. But even in the midst of that, Jesus said, you know what, I'm going to still work this out for my good. And see, that's what I'm getting at. Like, there's no running from him. You can try. Good luck.

There's no running from him. He's going to get you. And so, you know, I was living my own life, doing my own thing, yet his grace still extended me. And even if he didn't send me back to my body, it still would have been gracious that he gave me 20 years of life. Yes, that's a great perspective. Man, like this, you know, it's actually a spirit of ungratefulness that has possessed this earth right now. It's a Jesbel spirit and the spirit of never enough, right? it's a spirit of entitlement.

I always deserve more. And it's that spirit that complains to God and says, God, what about this? What about this? What about that? That's the wrong spirit. Instead, we should be saying, God, I'm just thankful you gave me what you gave me.

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Very strong in our culture. It's very strong. And you've got to watch that spirit, man. You've got to watch the spirits at work in culture because they can masquerade themselves like it feels good. It sounds good, right? You know, but you got to watch. You got to be very watchful. especially, you know, I also saw, man, you tolerate one ounce of darkness and it actually consumes you.

It only takes one little leaven that leaveneth the whole lump. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's why I kind of like even guard myself with content that I consume, you know, because, I mean... Because it can consume you. Yeah. And you're right. We live in America where we have rights and I'm an adult and I can make my own decisions. I'm going to do what I want.

I can do what I want. Like, there's not much that can limit me, you know? I'm not breaking the law. All that kind of stuff, the way you're laying out is very against God's will for life. Like, instead of consulting with God, what do you want? You can do what you want. You'll get the consequences of what you acted out of to. See, like, God does give us a free will.

Yeah. Watch out, though. Yeah. Because a free will consulting yourself is a dangerous place. But a free will submitted to him, to his will, is a safe place. Yeah, absolutely. So you come back and you wake up and just jump out of the bed and start running around, right?

Well, actually, my body hadn't moved for three weeks. So it did take a little bit of time. I bet you felt weak. Yeah, I was half my weight. So it took a little bit of time. But miraculously, and I actually document this on page 136, I have all the medical documents. So to anyone out there who just doubts that this is... I've seen the pictures.

Yeah, you see the photos. jacked up. Yeah. That sounds real jacked up. You know, swelling, broken skull. I'm sure you guys can throw this up on the screen on the edit. But, you know, everything. And then that was the before and then that's the after.

So it really, and that was like basically a couple months after I came back. It was just healed over. So I gained back my weight. I learned to walk again. Miraculously. And here's probably the, probably one of the most miraculous things. My memory came back in one day, Tony. Really?

Yeah. Doctors and nurses were really surprised by that. Because at first, they were like, we doubt he's ever going to wake up. We doubt he's ever going to be alive, first of all. Second of all, if he does ever come back, there's no way he's going to remember any of you guys. They told my family and friends that. They said he's going to be a shell mental vegetable. Yet I awoke.

And within a day, I said, mom, dad, how are you guys doing? Why are you guys being dramatic? Get me out of here. Wow. I told them that. I said, why are you guys being dramatic? Give me out of here. So, but it took about a week before they allowed me out because they couldn't explain a case like mine.

And still to this day, I had to release them of all liabilities because they never seen a case like mine survive. Wow. And I actually, years later, I met the doctor that attended to my practically lifeless body. And he looked at me, he said, God is real. He said, I can't explain you. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, we even did a documentary on it. Wow. And the hospital allowed us to come in.

They're like, yeah, we're thankful you're alive because it makes us look good. But I'm thankful for hospitals and doctors, but ultimately, they didn't save my life. We did a good job. No, and, you know, I'm thankful, so please don't know. Good grace to them as well. But ultimately, this was the hand of God. Were they speaking, I'm assuming to your parents, about this whole thing and suggesting taking you off life support?

So they were definitely talking about doing a tracheotomy on me, at least, which would have taken out my voice because I wasn't getting enough oxygen. I wasn't breathing practically. And so they were saying, hey, we got to do a trache on them. And then, you know, they were, you know, they were definitely exploring the possibility that I never come back. So. Did your parents, were your parents hearing that? Because you hear different stories and people say that, oh, I'd never considered it.

And some people were like, we were close to considering it. I would say that actually the tracheotomy was going to happen if they didn't speak up for me. They said, don't do that on him. He's going to come back. He's going to be healed. Okay. So they definitely did have to speak up for me. You know, I don't know if it had gotten to the point.

where they said, hey, we're going to pull the tubes tonight type thing. But I definitely was getting close. Wow. That's terrifying. I mean, that's terrifying.

In the natural, that's terrifying. You know, like knowing, knowing what happened and unfolded for you in this experience, there's nothing in that,

there's nothing, you didn't feel fair. And knowing how it all unfolded, there's nothing to be terrified of. But the idea that, you know, you're gone for 18 days and a loved one could be considering

to pull plug on you. It's like, eesh, you know, but I made it back at a new time. And what's, what also is wild is this was for three days a natural coma. So this wasn't a medically induced coma. This was, I was gone from my body. And then I continue being gone from my body because I, my body had a had a spasm and a tremor after those three days and then went to another coma after that. It was medically induced, but still was, I wasn't there. So do, and I'm assuming the answer is going to be no, but I just got to ask curiosity. Um, three days in a natural coma, then a medically induced coma,

do you feel like there was ever a moment in your experience where you felt like a ripple effect of that, like being shifted from a natural coma to like all of a sudden? Back and forth. Yeah, like almost like, you know, like your standing in presence of God, and also you're like, what was that noise? You know, like, you know, it's funny. I actually, I, and the reason I say 18 days is because to me it was just like...

A moment. In my body, out of my body, back. And then it was so wild because I'm back in my body. I look at the calendar. Like, what? It was literally, it was, it was November 14th. I'll remember that, I remember the day, which was, which was roughly 18 days that I since October 25th. So, and I was like, what though? Because it only felt like five minutes. So I compare it to this. Imagine just closing your eyes for like three seconds and then you open your eyes and it's three weeks later. Like that's a really tricky feeling. Yeah, it's really weird. So right. So like, because you're also like, if you weren't in your body, you're like, what happened to me? my body. You know, what were they doing to my body? You know, which that's another story. You know, thank God I had people watching over me because you don't know what could happen to your body. Yeah. Because you're on some floors that are kind of scary. I was put on the floor. I was in the

emergency room, then the ICU, then the, then the room. I was actually put on the seventh floor, which is the level of like the mental, yeah, like, yeah, get in their room. You know what I mean? You're about to be a vegetable. You hear screams on 2 a.m. They had a lot of people chained on that level, actually, because people weren't there. Wow. Yeah, like they were there, but they weren't there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that was my level. So, yeah.

That's what they were projecting you to be. At best. That was what I was going to be at best. Wow. Wow. So let me take you back to the second heaven, okay? Sure. So if I'm paraphrasing me not saying exactly this way, but warfare happening.

Oh, yeah. And chaos is what you had said. And as far as I understand, and I haven't, you know, I'm not a scholar. But one of my favorite scriptures in this field would be Daniel 10. And the way it lays out this idea of the Prince of Persia and this warfare that seems to happen when Daniel is praying. And the angel, the messenger angel is prevented from getting to Daniel for 21 days, three weeks. Can you speak to that a little bit at all? Like, I mean, we see a snapshot of this idea of this prince of Persia,

and then the angel needs to go back because the prince of Greece is arriving and coming, and you have Michael the archangel coming or relieving that angel to come to Daniel, and you see this exchange. And when you're reading it with just what it says, it seems calm, you know? But in my perspective, from what I've uncovered and talked to people, about it's far from calm. Yeah. That's why I try to tell people the moment you wake up in the morning, your feet hit the

floor, there's a, there's a force seeking your destruction. Yeah. And it wants to destroy you. And it doesn't be wrongs for you by wishing. Oh, no. It destroys you by action, chaos. Yeah. And so maybe go into that a little more.

And I understand this was probably like a snapshot, but you've got so much perspective that was almost, it almost sounds corny to say, but like download it. you, like this intuition that was just given to you. What are we looking at here? Well, he is the chief of chaos. He is the chief of distractions. And that's actually the number one inhibitor to those listening, having an encounter with Christ, is the distractions. You've got to learn to set them aside.

Because when he speaks, you must listen. You must listen. So he's chief chaos, first of all. Second of all, there's without, you know, going to maybe the specifics of that Daniel one, I'll just say that it's, we are very immediate.

We want things right away, right? So we look at the story of Daniel and we're like, why didn't the answer come right away? Right. And we just don't understand how limited of a perspective that is.

Like we're a microwave generation. And the angels are fighting for us. Yet we're just so impatient and we're so limited that we think we've lost when actually, no, we're going to win.

Going to win. It's just, you can't be limited. But the spirits know how much time they have left, too. And so they know that if they can just toy you along and get you to quit, see, they work on, they work on warping your timeline by this thing called procrastination. And they know that if they could just stretch you, you'll quit. And so that's why it's so important that we never quit. And that's why it's important.

The Bible says today is the day of salvation. Why? Well, you got to make the decision today that you will never quit and make that decision every day. because that is the timeline of heaven. Yeah. But the warp timeline says, I'll just answer God tomorrow. The warp timeline says,

eh, I'll just get to that later. And that's the thing that you mentioned earlier about, I forget how you said it, but the idea that prayer is not being answered right away. And I, until I started understanding Daniel 10, I had a hard time understanding,

why doesn't the Lord just answer me? I'm speaking to you. Answer me, you know. And maybe there's time, it's just divine nature. It's not the right time. But also, maybe there's the chaos going around you that's preventing you from getting the answer. Yeah. And you just can't see it.

And it may not even have anything to do with you. And you could do everything, right, and things will still go wrong. Yeah. You could eat everything right. You could exercise. And things might still go wrong. with your body. Yeah.

And you might not get an answer to your prayer as well. And that doesn't take away from God's will for healing. Like God's will is to heal, period. Like, he's good, man. Don't misinterpret God's will through the brokenness of this earth. Don't also misinterpret it by the timing, though. Because, again, like, we're so limited in our time. We want it right away.

We need it right away. It doesn't always come right away. But that's why trust is important. Trust says, you know what, Father, even if this doesn't come right away, I'm going to trust you because I win at the end. I'm going to just trust you. And it refuses to lose joy and faith and rest. Are you familiar with Joseph and Franco?

He's a Destiny Image author. No. I think his book came out last year, which it's really interesting hearing what you're talking about and hearing what he talks about because he's a charismatic pastor. He's a preacher. Let's put that way. And for whatever reason, he felt God telling him and his wife to go to a church in Arizona to just be attending, not to be in leadership.

The weird thing was that this church was reformed theology. And so he's like, I'm not a Calvinist. I'm charismatic. Why am I going to this church? But the Lord was like, you got to go. And so he, in obedience, said, okay, I'll go. And so they just started attending the church and they get familiar with him. And so they actually invite them, I believe, onto the staff at the church.

And not to lead pastor, but on staff. And he's just like, what's God doing here? And then they start talking with this family at church who has an autistic child who is nonverbal. And he starts working with this child and other children like him. And they use a technique called spelling. And these kids started talking about their experiences in life. And it turns out there's a lot going on in their minds. They just can't, they lack the physical ability to convey.

So like, for example, the one kid, I think it was Cody, they thought that he loved Barney. And he was probably in his teens because every, for whatever reason, maybe he moved a certain way or tried saying something whenever they said Barney, they thought he loved it. Turns out once he started spelling, like one of the first things he probably said was, please stop with the Barney. I hate it.

I just couldn't tell you, right? And so these kids are really brilliant. And he started noticing that a lot of these children, two of them, it was in exchange that they were having a conversation, and the one child said to the other, will I see you at the hill tonight? And it's like, what's the hill? And it turns out, and talking about chaos,

autistic children don't like chaos. They don't like line. They're not naturally good a line because they don't like the chaos. So what I'm about to say, I'm prefacing with, there's a lot of autistic children that are talking about this place called the Hill and their experiences there. And for them to be lying about it would require them to go against their very nature for an extended period of time. Yeah, yeah. But they're saying they're going to this place called the Hill where they're meeting Jesus.

And they're able to operate in a body that is not inhibited with the physical limitations they have. They're free there. And they, Jesus is communicating with them. them, teaching them, loving on them, and they're experiencing angels and all this stuff. They say that they've seen angels and demons fighting each other and the fact that our prayers fuel that fight. And when I started learning about this from him, and they said that even down to, because you know how like some branches of Christodom would say, like, pray to an angel, you know, like pray to Michael the archangel or something like that. They specifically said, when you pray, don't pray to angels,

pray to the Lord, and he'll direct the angels. And so it gave me, that conversation gave me such a new perspective of how intimate and deep and strong my prayer life can be for what's happening around me. I think we often feel in the natural like we're helpless. And it's like, oh, I'm going to physically move my mouth and say words, but I don't see the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, the, effects of it. So I really don't know how impactful it is. And hearing these autistic children talk about how your prayers are so impactful. Like keep praying. Yes. So like, hearing what you're sharing and stuff is just painting that, that image for me again, because I hear what they're saying. I hear what you're saying. And it's like eternity on the other

side of whatever this is, this reality that we have, this veil that, this thin veil that we have between this life and the next. There is this whole eternal complex. It's just I hear people's stories, and it's like, man, eternity's got to be so detailed and complex for everybody to have these different experiences within it. You know what I'm saying? And then come back and tell, you know, the same, essentially the same types of stories, but from their own perspectives.

And that's what I'm hearing from between Joseph and Franco and your story. It says like the second heaven, there's a lot of stuff going on there. I'd love to talk with that. If you can introduce me to him, I'd love to. Oh, yeah. That's going to happen. Connect. That's going to happen.

I'm like, I don't even know this guy. I want to talk to him. Because we would probably share some things that we've both experienced. So it's like, wow, yeah. It's very important people listening to this show, understand how important the timeline we live in is. We've been given such grace. and actually there's a door that still is giving us what I call the breath of grace.

But Tony, that door is about to be shut. I feel that. And you can feel it. I can feel it. Many others feel it. You feel a tension in the air. Have you felt that? Especially even this past year.

You feel this just tension. And it's like it's not just you. It's not just your life. It's like everyone around you has been going through this tension. that you could cut with a knife. It's because the door is so close to being shut. And again, people will mishear me. I'm not telling you the exact day.

Oh, come on. Give me a shot. But I'm telling you that it's going to be near and no one should procrastinate. No, I agree. And I started experiencing this thought process where you know, with the time drawing near, and you read in scripture different aspects, but when you're talking about like the Lord bringing a harvest of the parable that Jesus talks

about with the wheat and the weeds. And at the end of that, like the farmer said, no, leave the bad seed in the field, let them grow together, we'll separate them at the harvest. And I was telling the guys, you know, is the harvest something that is going to happen really fast or will it be a process that we can actually see it coming if we have eyes to see? And that's kind of how I'm starting to feel. I'm thinking, I feel like the harvest is starting. And with what's going on, the things that I kind of, for me, know what's coming. I sense there's a deep level of deception coming over humanity.

Oh, yeah. And even in Matthew 24, it says if he didn't shorten the time, even the elect would be deceived. I'm saying, okay, so if the harvest is starting and there's a mass deception coming, could it be that he's going to shorten the time very soon to prevent... Out of mercy. Yes, thank you. Yeah. I mean, what you're saying, I have absolutely been feeling.

And I even said it in the beginning of this year, our first live show, I went on and I was like, there's something coming. I don't know what exactly it is, but I can feel it. there's this rising happening. I don't want to say in a good way, but it could be a good way, but there's just a stirring. Like, I just, in my mind's eye, it's like something's coming and rising up from under the ground almost. Like hell itself is coming and manifesting. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. And it can be concerning if you're not in the right place. On the right side. But it's important for people to still to still, to still, pursue that because once the harvest is here, you don't have the choice anymore. Like in his mercy, in his grace, he's allowed us to have the choice. But there is a day coming where when the harvest happens, he's going to be making the choice. He's going to be doing the separation.

And right now you have a window where you can actually make your own decisions. Exactly. Yeah. There is a while. There comes a point where when you're boarding the plane, you have the choice to take what you want. Right? Like you have the choice to be prepared.

Right. But when you're in the air, there's no requests to the pilot. There's, you're not going to tell the pilot to take the plane down. Like, it's period. End of story. Right. So while we're on this earth, we have a choice with the life we have. Yeah.

When you had this experience, was there anything in the experience that gave you that sense as well? like time is going to be short, you're going back with a message, and I need you to be... Definitely. I honestly, I was sent back with understanding that I only had like one day left. And of course, that doesn't mean like one day earth time, but it definitely was, man, it could be any day. Like, and again, we'll always be criticized and made fun of this, but honestly, I don't care. I'm not going to stop telling people the truth because they need to know. And I couldn't claim to love them if I didn't tell them this truth. It's like, man, the more you want to play, around and play games with your with the timeline it'll come back to you and it's not going to be

good yeah i mean we've established the the way you and the way you do you describe the timeline and stuff at least for me visually seeing with the page and everything it helps me a lot for sure yeah um but it does paint that picture of you know our perspective on time is so minute and see if we don't say yes to him now of course he can redeem your passing he redeems your future But if you don't say yes to him now, you stop him from allowing him to redeem your past and your future because they're all wrapped up in your now. See? Yeah. And so that's why it's so important to say yes today.

Yeah. And also to, I guess, accept that free gift that he's offering. Yeah. man, it's a gift. It is. It's like Christ, 2,000 years ago in our timeline died for a sacrifice that was going to cover all time because he's outside of it. Exactly. And so when we accept that free gift of grace now, it does cover everything you've done, and it does cover everything you're going to do tomorrow.

And all you've got to do is keep your sight on him and follow him. and you're going to be walking into eternity with them. And maybe I just gave the gospel. I don't know. But, I mean, it's really that simple. It's a love relationship, right? It really is. And that's what I was saying at the conference today to the guys this morning.

We filmed episode 10 of The Counter. And I was telling them, I was like, guys, like, everything that we're talking about, everything that we're doing, all these topics we're covering, it all comes back to who do you say he is. It's this love for Jesus. And our culture, our society needs to come back under this umbrella. Maybe not even back, maybe for the first time,

under this true, pure umbrella of let's just love Jesus for what he did for us and understand that he didn't even have to do that. That was out of his own goodwill, his own grace for us that he went through with that sacrifice. Like that grace that he offered us at Calvary, that's good enough. And when I boil it down like that, I don't have to worry about a whole lot. And when it comes to like our own personal life struggles and things like that, I mean, as long as you're here back with us, you're going to have life problems.

Something's going to come up at some point where it's like, gosh, man, why is this happening? You know? Yeah. And the Lord says, well, this is me saying. I don't want to say what the Lord says. But I say that he's already given you enough. So when I look at my wife and I look at all our situations that I have personally or somebody who maybe has a child who they just had and it's on life support right now.

Sure. Like these are hard things, man. Yeah. They're really hard. Yep. When you're rooted in Christ and you understand the only thing that you need in life was given to you for free, you don't really have a license to say, I demand more. Yeah. Does that make sense?

Because you're just thankful of what you do have. Yeah. And if more comes, awesome. Awesome. But also, you're just thankful for what you have. It doesn't it keep you at a level of humility? Yes. Because your God is not the situation.

Your God is God. Yeah. See? Your joy is him, not the situation. I recently had an injury where I tore my neck, my neck right here, and I couldn't really, like, move my left hand or arm or look to the left at all. And I couldn't really move. I had to, like, lie down.

But, you know, I was so thankful. I lied down on the couch, and I said, thank you, Father. I could lie on this couch. I can look at my laptop with my right hand. But seriously, I was thankful. Like, like, and my wife, you was like, wow, like, you're doing just fine. I'm like, yeah, like, I couldn't move until the left at all, but, like, I was just fine because I was just thankful for my right harm, you know? Yeah. Because I've been, like, ever since my accident now when I get injured or something that goes wrong, I'm just like, I laugh because it's just like, I can see you doing that too.

No, seriously, because it's just like, man, I'm just thankful with what I do have. Like, you know, I actually, I drove my, I had this like Honda accord with like 230,000 miles. And I just kept driving it, even though rain was leaking through the roof. And it had like no brakes that were working. I just kept driving it because I just didn't care. And, you know, I was just thankful it got me places. Like, it didn't have air conditioning that was working. I didn't care.

And I still am like that. I'm just like, sure, I like nice stuff. You know, nothing wrong with nice stuff, but it's like, you just stop caring. Yeah. No, I believe it. I believe it. I do want to, like, I guess double it down and stress something I just said because I don't, because I want to be aware that there are a lot of people that listen and they come

from different life perspectives and situations in the moment. And I just, I said something specific that I, I want to clarify on something. If you have a child that you just, just had it, it's going through physical issues and it's on life support, I'm not saying you shouldn't be distraught over it. Right. And I'm not saying that, um, you shouldn't be fighting like crazy to save this child's life. Because, oh, well, you know, you, God gave you a free gift of grace, so that's enough. No, no, no, no. He loves you. He loves the baby more than he loves, than you love the baby.

Yeah. And I just wanted to clarify that, because I don't want people getting the wrong impression that I'm saying, what are you upset about? You have the right to be upset and to be concerned and to be weeping, guttural weeping and confusion and seeking the lure of saying, why, why? And that's all okay. You can bring to him. He's not afraid or threatened by you or whatever you're going through. You can just be it. Be real with him. Yes. That's okay. You know, you don't have to put on a show. Yeah.

He already knows. So, yeah. And it does matter. Like, your child's life does matter. Like, you're not wild for wanting the best for your kid or whatever situation you're going through. We're not saying it doesn't matter. Right. We're encouraging viewers to see the full matter.

Yeah. It does matter and it is real. But it's important we see the full real. Yeah. The full reality here. Yes. There's a level of, there is a level of important.

in this life that we we just culturally have really have it have it off you know and we put importance in things that you know our schedules and you know what's coming tomorrow and today didn't work out well for whatever reason and if you can just come back to the foundation of Christ is king I'm saved by grace and that is good enough for today you know like that that's the best yeah um gave man i'm gonna i'm gonna bring this in for land this is dude your testimony and your heart is amazing and i really hope people get the book and get to read your testimony so that as they're learning and gaining from what the lord's done in you that they can gain themselves you know and grow themselves and come to a point where uh maybe they're

maybe they're questioning if any of this is real and your story can guide them into the grace of God. That's the ultimate goal. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I really do know that those who open the pages of this book will have an encounter. Oh, man. And I really look forward to hearing all the, all the stories, because I know they're going to come. Yeah. And this was a, this was a conversation that was so filled with, I guess, the gospel in a sense. I feel, I feel, I feel, I just feel like I should plug this website. Our website, we have a section on it that gives the gospel presentation. So if anybody is not on page with God, and they don't know what that means,

what does it even mean to be a Christian and to follow Jesus, the confessionalspodcast.com slash gospel. And it just, it will lay it out for you in very simplistic terms and understanding. And it gives you an opportunity to at least inform you. yourself in your journey. Do you have anything else you'd like to share and say before we wrap things up? Because, dude, this has been amazing. And to hear your perspective and what you've seen and experienced and what other people

can only imagine is encouraging for you to be able to come back and share that with other people. So thank you. I just want to say that this testimony and podcast isn't for millions. This is for you. This is for one person. If one person listen to the sound of my voice, if one person saw who Christ really is, it's worth it. You mean everything to him.

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