The Confessionals - 853: Inside the Alien-Human Hybrid Agenda

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

Something is being grown… and it’s learning how to be you. In this episode, Tony is joined by Ali Siadatan, who unpacks years of research into what he believes is a structured alien-human hybrid program operating behind the scenes. He describes a system where abductees are used in a controlled reproductive process, genetic material taken, pregnancies induced, and fetuses removed, only to be developed into hybrid beings off-world . But creation is only the beginning, as Ali explains how these hybrids are then trained through human interaction, learning emotions, relationships, and behavior by directly accessing the human mind . As the program advances, the focus appears to shift toward integration, with reports of hybrids being coached on how to live among us, obtaining identification, learning social norms, and blending into everyday society . What emerges is a chilling possibility: this isn’t just experimentation, it’s preparation.Please pray for Tony's wife, Lindsay, as she battles breast cancer. Your prayers make a difference!If you’re able, consider helping the Merkel family with medical expenses by donating to Lindsay’s GoFundMe: https://gofund.me/b8f76890Become a member for ad-free listening, extra shows, and exclusive access to our social media app: theconfessionalspodcast.com/joinThe Confessionals Social Network App:Apple Store: https://apple.co/3UxhPrhGoogle Play: https://bit.ly/43mk8kZThe Counter Series Available NOW:The Counter (YouTube): WATCH HEREThe Counter (Full Episode): WATCH HERETony's Recommended Reads: slingshotlibrary.comIf you want to learn about Jesus and what it means to be saved: Click HereBigfoot: The Journey To Belief: Stream HereThe Meadow Project: Stream HereMerkel Media Apparel: merkmerch.comMy New YouTube ChannelMerkel IRL: @merkelIRLMy First Sermon: Unseen BattlesAli SiadatanWebsite | X SPONSORSSIMPLISAFE: simplisafe.com/confessionalsGHOSTBED: GhostBed.com/tonyQUINCE: quince.com/tonyCONNECT WITH USWebsite: www.theconfessionalspodcast.comEmail: [e-mail] ADDRESS:Merkel Media257 N. Calderwood St., #301Alcoa, TN 37701SOCIAL MEDIASubscribe to our YouTube: https://bit.ly/2TlREaIReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/theconfessionals/Discord: https://discord.gg/KDn4D2uw7hShow Instagram: theconfessionalspodcastTony's Instagram: tonymerkelofficialFacebook: www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcasTwitter: @TConfessionalsTony's Twitter: @tony_merkelProduced by: @jack_theproducerOUTRO MUSICTony Merkel - Glass Chambers

Hey, everyone, before we get to this week's show, this is just your weekly reminder to please continue to pray for my wife, Lindsay. She is battling breast cancer right now, and we're praying for complete healing in Jesus' name. Thank you. Merkel. Media. This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, boning fingers, reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me.

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trained, and integrated into society right under our noses. By the end of this conversation, you'll be left with asking one question. If they're already here, would we even know it? Now, we had Matt Gates come out recently talking about the hybrid program, and he is a former congressman. This is a very timely conversation. So let's get to Ali right now. Today we have Ali Ciaditin. Did I get it right? Yes, you did. Well done. I was really, I was practicing it today when I woke up and I was like, I hope I'm practicing it right. Right. Practice makes perfect. Yes, yes. But it's perfect practice that makes perfect. Perfect practice. And for me,

that would be last minute procrastination practice. Right. Get it done. Yeah. So, Allie, how are you? Fine. Thank you, Tony. So good to be here. Yeah. Really looking forward to our conversation. Yeah, I'm glad it worked out this way.

I know initially you had reached out and we had it scheduled for a remote call. Right. And we connected that day and you said, oh, just let you know, moving my daughter to college and I'll be able to do it remotely, though. And I was like, that's not what I want. Right. And since that's not what I want, let's bring you into the studio. Now, it is much better to be here. That in-person conversation is so much more rich for invaluable for everybody, including me.

It's a great experience. Absolutely. So today we are going to be talking about modern-day Nephilim hybrid programs and hybrid humans and the foundation of how this is even possible. And this is something that you had said that you haven't talked much about, I guess, on a public level. And so I'm really excited to hear what you have to say. say about it. And I guess where along the line did you start collecting the data on this to make this even a consideration? Because, I mean, the idea of hybrid humans for most people, including

myself at one point, not anymore, but one point in my life, I was like, that's ridiculous. No, that's an abnormal thought, right? Yeah. It seems so out there. And, you know, so I thought it was ridiculous, too. I got into it in the middle of the 1990s, like in the second. half, 1996, 1996, 1997, where my mind started to open up to the possible connection of the UFO phenomenon and the Bible. And I was starting to see, well, are there any books I can read about this? And there really weren't. Christians were not writing books about this. We were kind of part of the first wave of people. But there was a Bible teacher, Dr. Chuck Missler, and he'd written a book called Alien Encounters.

And actually, the Harvest House Publishing, which was the largest Christian publishing company in the world, wouldn't publish it because of this hybrids. They had a problem with it. Wow. And so he decided to self-publish it.

So I thought, oh, that's one of the only Christian books. So I took it and I was reading it and all the information he had about the UFO phenomenon, I was well-versed and all of that. at that point, but then there was this one line, just one line, about modern day hybrids. And he said, no, this is actually quite central to this whole story. And he wasn't going deep into it, but he just kind of mentioned that. And then he provided even a prophetic verse, you know, that would be significant for it.

And it kind of like hit me and I was like, I want to look into that. So I started to look to see who was out there that was writing about this. What kind of information could I find? And that's when I came across Dr. David Jacobs from Temple University. And I got his book called The Threat. And that was kind of the beginning of my research, I guess, into this. That's wild. Dr. David Jacobs is somebody who also, years ago, had reached out to trying to talk to him.

and I hadn't heard from him. I'd never heard back from him. But I was originally from Philadelphia myself. And so I was like, hey, man, you're local. Why don't you talk to me? Right, right, right. But yeah, I mean, that's, so that was in the 90s and stuff, and that started you down this route.

So what kind of, what kind of, I suppose, data and information did you start gathering? So I've met Dr. Jacobs, and I interviewed him for my documentary at length. Sure, he talks to you, but not me. Yeah. I think he's a little bit shy when it comes to remaining empirical and out of any kind of, you know, spiritual, religious or inspirational or any mystical. He just wants to stay away from anything that would put his research connected to anything other than empirical data. Sure. But he's a great guy, actually. I went down and saw him because the whole research took a leap forward. So I went and interviewed him a second time, but I haven't made those interviews public yet.

But basically, so I ordered his book and was called Threat. And I had booked myself a cabin in the woods for kind of meditation and prayer. I thought I'll take this book with me. And to be honest, like you were saying, I didn't put a lot of credence into the whole idea that, you know, there was hybrids among us. You know, like, come on. So I just took this book. And as I was reading it, alone in the woods, as I realized, this is real. Like, you know, you can tell when you're reading good research or bad research or someone's making sense of it.

This is very much very well organized. He's spoken to 1,200 people that are from all walks of life, like, you know, engineers, police officers, housewives, judges, people that we trust with important jobs. that we all respect. And they're all telling the same story as he's like, you know, writing down, he's just transcribing. And arch is appearing, a narrative arch is appearing.

People who don't know each other, especially at a time where there's no movies made about this, no documentaries, you know, and even YouTube doesn't exist. And so it's not like information is getting around. So when the people are coming to tell their story, because they need to.

The memories are there, and I'll open it up in a second, and they're seeping through their consciousness, and they're coming and talk to them about it. They're all saying the same thing. So as I'm reading it, I'm realizing this is real, and it's quite dark, actually. That's why the book's called The Threat.

And it's not the right book to read in the middle of the woods by yourself. I'll tell you that. I believe it. Don't take a book about demon possessions essentially. You didn't go outside much, did you? No, I know, yeah. But it revolutionized my thinking about aspects of the Bible were kind of

coming to my mind and coming to life. So I thought, this is interesting. So then I started to take the deep dive into who else was out there talking about this. What was the data? And it really started, so there was a guy, his name was, you know, Jay Allen Heineck.

And he was part of Project Blue Book, which was the U.S. government was pressured by American citizens who were having UFO sightings, starting with Kenneth Arnold in 1947, who was a very credible character, an upstanding man. He had he owned his own plane, and he saw something on the Cascade Mountains. It was flying near the Cascade Mountains in Washington State. And so what he saw made it on the front page of half of the national publications and start a wave of citizens coming out and saying, well, if he's not crazy, like on the basis of his character,

then we are not crazy either. And this is what we're seeing. So the Air Force set up an office to look into it, and Jay Allen Hineck was an astronomer. His job was to remove everything and anything that could be explained for natural phenomenon and give the rest to the Air Force for further investigation. then the Air Force would, you know, report to the Congress and the Congress to the American people. That was kind of the idea. N.J. Allen Heinek did travel for 20 years on the Air Force's diamond,

collected a huge amount of data and received pictures from ambassadors, from all kinds of people at a time where there was no Photoshop and no digital wizardry. And lots of incredible testimonies. And he came to conclusion that 3% of everything he was collecting could not be explained. by natural phenomenon as an astronomer. But with the research, he categorized it in, research was given to Professor Condon from Colorado University. We didn't believe at all in any of the stuff.

Okay. Like a priori, like he just dismissed it right off the bat. Oh, he didn't look into it? No. Okay. And there's memos where people, you know, were saying, to him, don't touch this. It's not good for our credibility as academics. He was supposed to be the one who would take this data, look it through, and then provide the report, you know, for the

Air Force. But he then said, no, was all a swamp gas. It was all fake, because there was nothing here in 1971. So for 20 years, if you lived between like the late 40s and the late 60s, culturally, the UFO phenomenon was an officially researched item by the government. Really? Yes. And people were talking about it openly, Life magazine, their articles. There's a black and white Hollywood documentary, which I have on VHS tape, but now it's on YouTube, that you can watch where all of these very important military officials and

government officials are talking about their experience. watch tower operatives are seeing things. It's allowed because the government is researching it. But after Condon's report in 1971, where he says there's nothing to see here, folks, that becomes the official view of the government and therefore the media. That becomes a consensus. There's nothing here. So all of that,

researchers and research organizations that existed in those 20 years, they have to now kind of go underground, so to speak, like Mufon, for instance. And it becomes taboo to talk about it because now you're crazy because you've been decided by the authority system of your culture that there's nothing to see here. You're not at odds with what has now become the conventional wisdom that you're told to embrace. and so if you're born after 1971, you have a very different relationship to the UFO phenomenon culturally

than if you're born between, if you're an adult between 48 and 68. One of the first, perhaps the first real Christian who took a deep dive was Dr. Barry Downing. He wrote a book called UFOs in the Bible, and it's kind of academic, book. He was doing his, you know, PhD in the University of Edinburgh on the relationship between

science and religion and the thought of Isaac Newton. Because liberal theology after World War II was dismissing the supernatural. Jesus was never resurrected. He said his teachers in seminary were telling him that his bones are well buried somewhere in the Middle East. In seminary? In seminary. That's incredible. Yes. I mean, that takes away from the Christian faith. He says the whole thing collapses. Wow. And so he was trying to understand to bring the supernatural back into his own worldview,

but he was living in that time where the UFO phenomenon was talked about. So he got interested in that. And then he started to see that it really brought the Bible to life for him. Not that it changed the Bible into like being about aliens, but it kind of removed demystologized it. So he was, I guess, the first person to really write a book about it. I interviewed him for my documentary. So this whole phenomenon shifts after 1971 culturally.

And so the Heinek is really saddened by what happened to 20 years of incredible research that he gave to the University of Colorado. So he decides to write his own book called UFOs A Scientific Inquiry, where he takes 20 years of research where he's flying on Air Force's Dye, and he says, this is what I collected. And the evidence that he collected, the 3%, it can't be explained naturally, fits within categories that he identifies.

Like, everyone he talked to either said this, this, or this, or this. And so the first category is kind of like daylight visions or disks, And people often talk about it in terms of words they can understand in their cultural setting. They'll say it looks like a hamburger, it looks like a hot dog. I interviewed a Holocaust survivor who surprised me. She realized I was researching this stuff. She said, oh, you know, I saw something. And she's like, you know, close to 80 years old.

And I'm like, okay, this woman, you know, Holocaust survived. So she's, you know, so it's very authentic. and she said when I heard her story, she said it was like a mintose, you know, the candy. Oh, yeah. With different colors. And that's exactly what people say, you know. So the next category was daylight,

night visions, bright lights in the sky at night, something that's usually white, but doesn't have to be white. And that was something people reported. then he said that people also saw things that were 500 feet or closer. So daylight disks, night visions, 500 feet or closer. So those he called close encounters of the first kind. And then sometimes they left traces, like a branch would break or would land in the farmer's field and you couldn't cultivate crops anymore in the area.

in that landing area, and the soil was tested. And he called that close encounters of the second kind. And then sometimes people saw actual, like, aliens, I guess. And then he called that close encounter the third kind, 500 feet closer, and you see an alien. And that's where Spielberg got the name of his movie from, from Heinex book on the UFO's Scientific Inquiry. his response to the Condon report.

You know, this is all fake note. Look, this is all the evidence. But then Heinek could already see that there was another category. And that was people are saying that they're actually not only seeing things, they're actually being abducted. He called, you know, close encounters the fourth kind. But he never really went down that road. I think maybe it was too much for him.

There was a very famous case. And so it was later that an artist from New York, Bud Hopkins, started to look into it. And he is the one that coined this word called hybrid. But Hopkins came up with that word book in 1983. And then Butter Hopkins met Dr. David Jacobs from Temple University. and Jacobs then got interested in really trying to, you know, collect data on this. And then there was Professor Johnny Mack from Harvard. Professor Mack was the head of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.

And he decided that he wanted to debunk this whole story of, you know, people being abducted. He said it was a psychiatric disorder akin to demon possession from the Middle Ages, which he considered also to be a psychiatric disorder. Of course. And, yeah, so he saw everything through this lens, and he was going to look into it and kind of, you know, end this craziness by writing this head of the Harvard medical school's psychiatry department. You know, like, you know, he's going to just say, this is it. So in 1994, he published the book that Shockett the academic.

world called abductions where he said it was all real. And from then on he became one of the world's foremost abduction researchers. And this is the head of psychiatry at Harvard. And so he said that the people that he spoke to, first of all, spoke in the way that they formulated their ideas, thoughts, and words, corresponded to the way people speak when they tell the truth. And then he also saw that they were very respectable, incredible people and that it would be very strange for them to ruin all of that by coming out and saying very silly things about like a police officer

or a high-paid engineer in an important company. You don't want to just say some weird thing that's happening to you if it's not real. And of course, if it's something that's happening to you personally, something so strange that I'm going to open up as the details, You see why people want to talk about it. It's very intrusive.

And so he realized this was all real and the empirical data was there and he became a researcher. There's a really great YouTube video of him going down. I think it's in Zimbabwe or Mozambique. I forget now. It's in Africa where these kids in a schoolyard. Yeah. You know, make these beings appear to them. they run in the school screaming their heads off.

He just teaches them what's going on. So he goes and talks to the kids. And it's interesting that overlaps because the more data you collect, the more you see a unifying pattern, even what those kids say and what people who say they're being abducted, say match, you know. So it's interesting. So that become, he becomes another researcher.

It goes from Jay Allen Hynix initial projects, you know, Blue Book, doing all this research for the U.S. Air Force, collecting this data, to the categorization of how this all fits in categories with people are witnessing, to the fact that, hey, some people are saying there's another category, it's more than just seeing things, there's actual contact, and then researchers getting interested in looking deeper into that. And I'd say that, you know, Bud Hopkins, David Jacobs, and John Mack are probably the top three researchers that initiated a deeper dive into collecting data and accounts. You know, like the first time I met Dr. Jacobs, he had collected 1,200 accounts from 1,200 people. And they not only are all respectable individuals, but they all say the same thing.

without knowing each other at a time where there's no YouTube, no TV shows, no documentaries, no books. Yeah. And they're all telling the same story. So now you see an arch when it comes to content of the narrative. What are they saying? What are they experiencing? Now, what lens you put over it,

we'll talk about that. How can we contextualize this data? But what is it that they saw? What they saw was, First of all, this phenomenon of being abducted happens to them from childhood to old age throughout their life. It's not a one thing.

Like a UFO sight. People, how are a UFO sighting? No, it's not like that. Then often it's intergenerational. It happens to one or both the parents. So the idea of a bloodlines, you know, is thrown around that they're, Oh, they're after a bloodline, it seems, you know.

Yeah. And different times from childhood to old age, at different ages, and they play a different role in the sequence of abductions. What happens to them once they're abducted? They play roles, things happen to them, and what happens to them is different based on how old they are in their life. So I'll start with the adults. I'll go back to kids, what happens to when you're,

kid. By the way, another thing that's fascinating is drawings. So some some abductees can draw. So they draw their experiences. And I have lots of drawings. And actually people can see it on my website. And those drawings, they're all the same. Like, there's different from people who don't know each other. We're just like, this is what I saw. And you'll see they all are drawing the same thing. Like their penmanship is different, obviously. But you can see they're drawing the same thing. And even kids. I have kids' drawings. Even the kids draw the same thing as the adults do.

And were these drawings, were they drawn and created in a time where the Internet wasn't, you know, all over the world? These aren't recent ones. The Internet didn't even exist. Gotcha. It did not exist. Wow. Yeah. So the Internet really hit the mainstream in 1999.

Uh-huh. That's when, that's the city that I live in got high speed or, yeah. You know, before that it was dial-up and it was like made that weird modem noise. And it was really good for checking your email. But then high speed came. Fiber optic cables, you know, were drawn. And then it was like, okay, it was all about audio.

We always thought that that would be the most internet could handle would be audio. So the whole idea of audio shows and podcasts was like, Yeah. But then Google video came out. Yeah. And it was like 2006. It's like video.

You know, it was like, well, you really have to have high speed, you know, the highest possible speed to be able to watch it. And then these three young guys in their 20s, they created this little, you know, website that was like whatever. It was called YouTube. It's a little thing. A little thing. And it was like, oh, that's not going to go anywhere because who can compete with Google? even then it was that Google was the main search engine, you know, they took over from Yahoo. There was a lot of search engines, Alta Vista.

The idea was that depending on what you wanted to do with the internet, you'd go to a different search engine. If you want to be an academic researcher, this one will be for you. If you want to be like the everyday person who just wants to look stuff up, Yahoo. You know, like I went into Yahoo and I put in the word Nephalim and it said zero, search results. Wow. Yeah. It's kind of like AI today where it depends on what you want out of the AI is that we'll determine which AI system you go to. Right, right. If you want, if you want the best coding possible, you're going to go to Claude. If you just want a quick answer, you're going to go to Open AI, chat, GBT, you know, so things like that, you know. Yeah. So, Rock. Yeah. I'm like,

I spent a lot of time on X researching things because I talk about the Middle East and things like that. So that's a good place for it. And then Google came along and then no one ever looked back. Like, you know, the first day you went on Google, you just never went back. And you never left. And then they said, here's an email for you. It's like, oh, Gmail. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Back in those times, I mean, like, I remember paying for my email address. You know, I had an email address through MSN.com. And it was, it's something I had to pay for. So a free email is, wow. I'll take it. So YouTube was like, oh, well, Google Video is going to dominate. And so I actually uploaded my documentary on Google Video.

I put up a trailer, and it wasn't really going anywhere. I just wanted to test it out. So then I decided to just change the name. And I changed the name of the documentary, which is called UFOs, Angels and Gods, to Alien Abductions Explained. And then it just, you know, you could only see how many people had watched it the next day. day, the 24-hour delay, and he just exploded. And then I was like, okay, so I'll upload my documentary with this title.

And just went viral globally, it became one of the top most watched things on Google Video. When you logged in, there are five images that appeared on the screen saying, this is the top things watched, and ours was one of it. And so it was like I saw the power of the internet. Yeah. You know, that was this was the word of mouth amplified. So people get abducted as adults, and let's start with that. So first of all, it happens often during the day.

You know, you think it happens at night in some dark wood. No, it happens during the day in broad daylight, and people will, like, disappear for a couple of hours. Missing persons' reports might be filed. And people are taken out, like often people say they're floating. That's a big part of the stories. They're different creatures around their bed. Often there is these grays they're called, which I think are hybrids themselves created for this purpose. They don't have mouth slits.

Often people draw them in the mouth slit because they find it's really strange. but they actually don't have mouthlets and there's a lot of telepathy and suggestion involved. They speak directly into your mind. And, you know, there's a passage in the book of Job where God and Satan are having a conversation. And it says that Satan was among the sons of God, these beings. And then God sits in, where have you been?

Walking to and fro the earth, Satan says. And I always imagine them talking, like you and I are talking. Yeah. But once I took the deep dive in the world of these things, and I saw how prevalent telepathy was, I realized it was more like probably just, you know, thoughts being exchanged. So this is what happens to people. They're lying on their bed.

They get paralyzed. They can't move. And they are calm. And it's because there's neurological control and suggestion. once in a while a person comes out of that and they start screaming their heads off because they're freaked out. But they're very calm and then they float out the door or the window. And, you know, Dr. Jacobs, for instance, makes a great point. He says, I often, you know, try to weed out anyone who's lying and I'll say, okay, so you open the window and they'll say like, no.

I say, well, they open the window and the person will say no. He says, you know, this, I know now they're telling the truth because they're expecting me, a grown man, to believe that they floated out the window. And they're a grown man. And it's like, okay, if they wanted to lie, they would make it more credible. They'll say, oh, yeah, they opened the window because it'd be crazy for me to sit here

and believe that you floated out a solid object through a solid object. Yeah, so what you're saying is that he's trying to validate what they're saying. He's making sure that he's establishing that the only other line of thought would be that they floated through a window. Well, they're telling that to him

And he's challenging that. He's saying, oh, you mean you open the window. And if they really wanted to lie, they would go out of their way to make it more credible by making it normal. But they stick to their guns and they go, no, I don't open the window. Neither did they. I floated through the window. We were talking like physical window, never opened and they just go right through.

And walls as well. Gotcha. Yeah. And of course, at that point, hundreds of other people have told him exactly that. He just doesn't reveal that to them. because he now knows if they get out of that script, you know, they're lying to him. Sure.

So they float out the window and there's like people walking their dogs, you know, on the street, and this, there is a craft. And then you're taking into it. Why is it that people don't see it? My theory is that it is the mind that's sealed. Your mind is sealed.

Not that they have some, cloaking device like the Klingon. It's more like your mind is sealed. Your mind is held from seeing them. Because I see a lot of mind control, manipulation, and interaction with the mind.

And so things, even in scripture, things people's eyes can be closed and then opened by God. There's a story about Jesus and his disciples and he closes their eyes. They don't recognize him.

Israel's eyes are closed for a season history and then opened again. So this idea I find is a bit of a bit like that. So I tell you story. This, a friend of mine owns a gym, and

then he moved into a much bigger location and he had kind of an opening party for his gym and there was tons of people there. And so he felt comfortable and he kind of like drown our conversation and the noise. Because people are embarrassed and kind of like to talk about this.

So he comes up to me and he says, oh, you made a documentary of your photos. I'm like, yeah. He says to me, you know, I had this experience as a child. He said I was in the school yard with my buddy in downtown. And I were looking up at the financial district. And there was this giant round objects outside one of the towers, on the banking towers. He said, no, I came home and I told my mom,

and she snapped at me and said, don't you ever tell that to anybody. Because this is ridiculous, you know, fear of ridicule. And so that was, for sure, the beginning or end of an abduction secret, what he saw. Okay. That's the MO.

That's what everyone, you know, explains. So someone was being dropped off or picked up because it does happen at work. And so... People are getting abducted at work? Yes. At work, at home, it happens during the day,

most of it, not at night. Okay, so that's where you're coming in with the idea of the mind being sealed. Yes. Because if somebody's... I mean, I don't know if this is the situation, but I'm just... When you said work,

I'm thinking somebody's sitting in a cubicle and all of a sudden, they're abducted and nobody notices. Well, they could be... Oh, yeah. Well, at night, if your partner is not abducted, but you are, your spouse, they are held

down, like their consciousness, you know, they're in deep sleep. So, this might have been, you know, someone who had their own office. You know, it doesn't have to be a cubicle. Right? But the point is that a child could see it. Somehow maybe the child's mind is different.

But, you know, I had this strange guy once I made because I do sometimes meet strange people in this journey. and he had a lot of footage of these stuff of UFOs in in the city. And he was showing it to me on his camera. And he said to me, they just, they just like make a sign. And I know they're here and I flip my camera up.

And there it is. So there, you know, there's these weird stories where there's a guy and his name is Elisha. He's got a disciple, he's got a student, and he's a prophet. And they are surrounded by these Assyrians who've come hunting for them on their chariots. The king of Assyria has sent to this village or town called Dothan. And his disciples scared. And so he prays to God, and he says, you know, open the eyes of my disciples. So you can see that the ones that are with us are greater than the ones that are with

the king of this here, and the king of his ear comes with chariots. So this guy's eyes are suddenly open, and he sees they're surrounded by chariots of fire. So they're all there. He was just not seeing them. And this is the kind of feeling you have with this whole thing, that it is the mind that opens and closes. It's about the gates of perception. And so even things like people will say, like, I don't really believe in,

in like, let's say, you know, here, someone might say, you look back and you see the story of, like, you know, Jesus, and people will say, well, he was just a guy. Another person will say, oh, no, he was a son of God and he was crucified from my sin. And he goes, well, what's the difference in these two people? They're reading the same story. One apparently has this energy, this presence of God, this spirit that opens the mind to seeing the story in a different way. The other one doesn't and therefore doesn't see it. So again, it's about perception and how it's altered.

So I feel like there's a lot of that in this story. So why is it the broad daylight and you're not seeing it? I think it's mind that's sealed. But I've now not only read all of these accounts, but I've now met scopious amounts of people that tell, they all tell me the same thing. I mean, you have to understand, like, like let's say I go to the, once I was in a farm.

this someone invited me to his farm and these are very normal people like this man he had 365 acres and he had lots of people working for him including people from other farms around him and and this was kind of a hotbed of you of noemnon and so i'm having just lunch with these farmers and now they're telling me their stories, right? So one guy will, like, you know, it was this big bright light outside of her house and I was going to go see it. My wife was like, don't you go anywhere because it was scary because they could feel it. And then, like, you know, we come out and then there's a guy like this farmer on his tractor. Like, you know, he's just sitting there on his tractor and he's telling me, he says, you see over there that hill. So it was a little guy and then he ran over the

hill and then he disappeared, like, you know, this creature. Wow. And he's totally, like these are totally normal people. Then he's just going on, you know, farming. This is, and yeah. And, and, and so this is, so, you know, you, until it happens to you, you can't relate to it. But once it happens to you and you see something, then you realize, so all these guys are telling the truth. So when a researcher like Jacobs or Mac, they start collecting, you know, thousands of accounts, you start to see now a pattern emerge, a narrative emerge. There is something going on. It's just not random. There's a plan, so to speak.

It has a beginning, a middle, and an end type of thing. So what happens to adults? Let's get into it. The adults are abducted and men are connected to machines in which semen is removed. And that kind of

semen is then mixed with their own DNA, and that's put inside of a woman who's abducted. So if you're a female who's abducted, then you get impregnated. And so people go to their doctor and they say, like, what's going on? And doctor says, congratulations, you're pregnant. And the woman's like, but I haven't even had relations. I'm not interested in getting pregnant.

I don't even have a man in my life. and the doctor is like, well, you're pregnant. What are you talking about? Ma'am, you're lying. Yeah, ma'am, you're lying. Exactly, right? So then in the first trimester, the woman is abducted again, and the baby, the fetus is removed.

And that's when a woman go to the doctor, and the doctor is like, oh, you had a miscarriage. And she's like, well, I know if I had a miscarriage. And they usually diagnosed with this thing that pseudosiosis, it kind of says that, look, you want to get pregnant, so bad, you wanted it, and it's so bad, that your hormones, like, indicated that. So we got a false test results. And the person, the woman's like pulling a hair, I was like, I had no intention of, so that's one aspect is that humans are used as a reproductive system that mixes their DNA and

ours. When you say their DNA, what do you mean by they? Like, The aliens. Yes. So it's not that they're mixing human DNA with human DNA. You're talking about alien DNA being mixed with human DNA. To create hybrids. Through these abductions. Okay. Gotcha. And then the fetus is removed, and they're put inside of these glass containers. And I have lots of drawings of it.

And you'll see that the penmanship is different. Like one guy draws it. But it's all the same. rooms for these glass containers and there's a liquid inside of it. Once it comes to full gestation, women are given the babies to hold. Apparently physical contact is needed to bring it to life completely. And people are also, this is, you always have functions when you're abducted. So this function is one in which where you're in a room and you see.

different hybrids and you're supposed to pick the ones that look the most human that would be able to just go into a crowd and no one would notice anything different about them. And they kind of, you know, take DNA from hybrids and mix it again until they create something that looks very human. And now you'll pick that you said, that guy, that guy, these are, ones that look really human. That's, that's one of your functions. You're under neural control, you're calm and you answer the questions you're asked. You do what you're told. And so, yeah, I just had this thought come to my mind about this woman who was saying how horrified she was, like, you know, afterwards that she hated it. She hated that this happened to her

in life. There's a show people can see. I don't know if you remember, Phil Doniou Jerry Springer There was these TV shows I remember Jerry Springer You remember Jerry Springer, okay Geraldo Phil Donahue There's these shows

I liked Phil Don Hugh I guess like it And there was one called Dini Petty The Deanie Show In the 80s And this was in Canada But it was the same concept

And one day she invited Bud Hopkins This abduction researcher And she invited all these people who are abductees. And if you go on YouTube and look that up, Dini Petty abduction show or something, you'll see everyone says the same stories

and how normal these people are. And they all say the same thing exactly. So basically, once this thing is completed and it's now a hybrid is created, and there's different pictures of drawings that have, some that don't look human at all, you know, and others that look perfectly human. Now that hybrid has to learn to be human. And that becomes the role of the abductee.

So as a child, when you're abducted, often you're taken into rooms with toys and there are other hybrids there and you play with the toys. and they learn how to play. They play with you. So that's one role you play as a child. And I have drawings from children, and they draw the same things as the adults do. And that's one thing people often, you know, point to,

is like, wow, those drawings from the kids. That was interesting. Then you sometimes, when you're older, you have romances with them. there is this thing people, so you got the grays, but then you got these taller ones. They have long, elongated

heads with big black eyes and they are given different names in the world of UFOs. But it's the same thing. People draw them. I have several drawings of them. They're all drawn the same way. And they're described the same way. This woman

she was saying how horrifying it was when he came in the room. He is was like the commander. And these guys are in a different level. They're not little grace. And they have these, you know, so they look into your eyes very closely,

like we're talking inches. And thoughts emerge in your mind. They use the eyes nervous system as a conduit to the brain. The way that we look into the soul. You know, through the eye, they say it's a windy. do to the soul. And you can influence people maybe with a glare. You know, there's the don't,

the don't give me the evil eye. You know, that kind of, like there's an energy. Yeah. And so they sometimes scan your mind to make sure that you weren't talking to people. There's a lot of security around this. I'll talk about it later to keep it under wraps. And they want to see who you've been talking to if you're an abductee. Listen, I'll be the first to admit this show is not great for your sleep schedule. Maybe you're hearing about something that you can't explain, and later that night you're staring at the ceiling in bed with a lot of questions trying to get to sleep, but that's the hard part, getting to sleep. And that part's on me. But if your mattress is making it worse, that's something we can fix, thanks to our sponsor, Ghostbed.

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And this is now emotional training. So there's like learning how to play, learning how to romance, but then emotions. They are basically creatures created in the laboratory on a spaceship. That's the story. So they look like us.

Now they have to become like us. So emotions are transferred. And later, you get to have conversations with them where they ask you all kinds of questions like what is religion what is music how do I know what music I should like

they ask you practical questions clothing passion and because they're telepathic even though they're talking to you once you start to think about the answer they just zap into it and they kind of

suck out of your brain everything about that topic as it's coming to your mind. And this is part of how they're learning to be human. So the creation of hybrids and the humanizing of them is a big part of this program. And then the next stage is the integration into the culture. once enough hybrids were created we saw a change and there was an EPSY's read survey done of the American population based on questions that you know do you see things around your bed it's questions that abductees always have as their openers because they put kind of ideas in your

head and and they seal it in your subconscious mind and then it seeps through and eventually you're like, I don't think this is like my imaginings. And that's why people wanted to talk to like a therapist. And that's how people start to even come to, let's say someone like Jacobs. But you have to understand that he only has a window into this, but at least is a window, you know, Johnny Mack, he kind of fell into the charm of it all. He thought it was all like some great spiritual experiment that we all, you know, should go through.

And even suffering was part of it that they were trying to teach us something. So even though he was this Harvard guy, but he went down that, you know, he took, he kind of started to, to come out of a scientific perspective and associate himself with it. And that's what happens.

Some of the abductees over time, they started to see themselves as like chosen for a purpose. And they started to call themselves contactees. And then there's those who are neutral about it. And they call themselves experiencers. So if you kind of have a negative view, you are an abductee. If you have a neutral view, you're an experiencer.

If you feel you're a chosen, blessed individual to bring in the next race of humanity, then you are a contactee. So these people have different, you know, over time. But once this, they did this Epsi's Reed survey, asking people questions that would kind of qualify them, as abductees without them realizing this is what the question was about.

So 3 to 4% of the American population answered positively. And I have, in my documentary, I have like the different, you know, lines of the survey come out so people can say 19% send this, 30% said that. And I don't have it all in my head right now

to repeat. But basically, it's a global phenomenon. It doesn't happen just in the United States. Demographically, it seems to target influence. in the culture, even like, you know, CEOs, important people, they say sometimes they see people appear in their rooms and they get ideas. The top masons, like Lord Bacon, who wrote the New Atlantis, these guys, they say they're in contact with, this is very common among the masons. It's called the untouchable, the unknowables, these beings.

and so this idea of appearing to influencers like kings and priests and people who actually could affect the culture that these are all trends you know you see but it's a global phenomenon and so the the whole idea of hybrids being created seems to be central to what happens to people and then the hybrids being trained to be human, be humanized. So the next stage, we saw a change in the program as a research went forward into the 21st century. It shifted from having this focus of creating hybrids to the integration of hybrids in human society. So when you were abducted, you were no longer taken into a ship, the sequence of, of your abduction happened in your town.

You were taken and helped them get social security numbers, driver's licenses. How to drive a car. You were taken into their home, and they're like, we decorated this, because they live together. These are now hybrids. They live two or three of them in the same house.

Okay. And they go, like, we decorated this. is it good? And then you might say, well, yeah, but you're missing a TV. And that would be kind of weird. Everyone has a TV. So I was once at a conference.

And afterwards, this woman comes up to me. And, and I, you know, I never know how I would think of people. Like, you know, you can't get crazy guys, you know, to say, you know, so I wouldn't, I want to be disrespectful to anyone dismiss anything. But, you know, I don't know who you are, right? This woman comes up to me and she says to me, why do you speak negatively about these beings? They were, when my mom gave birth to me at the hospital,

they were there outside the window, you know, looking in. And then I was like, okay. And then she starts telling me, you know, the subdivision, that I live in, there's a lot of them there. And they say hi to me because they know me and they smile at me. And then she starts to go into details and it matches exactly what, you know,

researchers are saying about the fact that they live in subdivisions and there's a security agent. They want to make sure that, you know, the abductees there as well. Like, there's a whole way this thing is. And this was in a town called, Oscewa and then many other people said that they, they were aware of this, who were like researchers in that town.

And so I got interested in her story and I was like, hey, I think this woman is for real. And then I looked into her eyes just to, I was more interested in who she was. And you know how when you look into someone's eyes, there's a softness and your intention penetrates their eye? her eye had a wall. I had never experienced this ever in my life. It was a wall. The energy of my mind hit that wall and came back to me. And then she caught me.

I was caught doing that. And she just stopped talking and looked at me and smiled. And I was like, wow, because the eyes are an important part of this whole story. They kind of look into your eyes to access your mind. And so she was talking about the hybrids that live in the subdivision. And as she was talking, this guy comes and he's so tall like a basketball player. And he moves very quickly. It's like I don't see his face.

And he bends down and says something in her ears. And then she says, I'm coming, I'm coming. And it was like, they didn't want her to talk to me. And so I don't want to get, you know, go down this rabbit trail. But that was on a Tuesday. Thursday and Saturday, my studio was broken. into and my laptops were stolen. Really? Yes.

And it was very interesting. I mean, it was clear that my office was a target. And I think it was related to the fact that, so there's a lot of effort for them to keep this under wrap. So they don't like these guys talking about it. And even in those, not townhouses, but what do you call it, where all these homes are next to each other. I just said the word, I forget. Subdivisions.

Subdivisions. There is some guy that you can kind of compare to a security agent whose job is to make sure that both the abductees and the hybrids are not really, you know, talking. And so it goes from creating hybrids to integrating. So someone will go out to get a pizza and they won't be back in two hours. And the family will be wondering what happened to them. and that'll be an abduction sequence, but that happens in their own town where they're just taking a quick mission to do a task.

And this task right now is about integration. They've even come with you to work now to learn from about your job. Yeah, say something. I just can't help it. It happens to me all the time. Yeah. But it's because I have an ADHD.

And so I'll leave and I don't remember what I was doing. I was like, wait a second. I'll just drive around aimlessly until I remember I was supposed to go to get eggs, you know? Right, right, right. At least you remember it's eggs. That's right.

Yeah, yeah, you don't get there and go, what was it supposed to get? Or I'll actually remember, but I'll get sidetracked and I'll go to three different other places. Where were you? I was like, this long story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know your pain. I'll get home and my wife feel like, so did you get what I asked you? I'm like, oh, but I got all this.

Yeah, I got all this. So these people are, they're going out, taking forever to do a simple task. That happens sometimes. That's one thing that happens just to show that other people are involved. Like their life is, they're not just experiencing this by themselves. Their family is like, what just happened to you? And there are missing, you know, person reports that are filed. And then when they are, other than, you know, helping with integration, this is like,

this is like decades of research. they also learn to do things themselves. There's a training program. This is another aspect of the abduction zone. They are told that they have a role to play, the abductees, that there's going to be a moment where everything is going to get activated.

And they have a role to play. One thing that's very common is the environment. they will look into your mind and you start to get images of cataclysmic environmental things and they say you know we have the solution we're going to help with this if you look at the johnny mac going to that private school in africa i think it's in simbabwe he's talking to one of the kids like we're talking like a nine 10 year old girl and she says, you know, she's like, so what happened? And she's like, well, we were in the school yard.

And this thing came and appeared. And he was like, describer. And she describes perfectly what everyone draws with these, the big, long heads and the big dark eyes. And she just describes that. And then she, and then he says to her, well, you know, what, did, do any thoughts come to your mind? And this little kid in Africa, and it says in the 1990s, suddenly she says, yeah, I started to think about the environment.

And then he says, well, had you ever thought about this before? And she says, no. So this thing that we see like globally, you know, we have this crisis, the environment, which is not a new crisis. I mean, you go back in the writings of the gods. You'll hear often about this. We're going to enter an ice age. you see you hear it in Nordic stories you hear it in ancient Middle Eastern stories it's a pattern it's a theme it's an idea and and suddenly we are having it like I remember in the late

1990s when I started to look into this whole environment thing um there was a greenhouse effect and and how there was this like um it was a it was a There ozone layer disappearing and the stuff was getting in. You had to, you know, you had to wear sunglasses. You have to put the cream on yourself. And I remember reading this book. So these guys in Beijing were saying we don't see a problem. Beijing is very polluted, but roses still grow.

And it was just like this idea that wasn't like in left field, you know. But then I witnessed it myself. In the last 20 years, like in the 21st century, I saw it with my own eyes, go from being, because I was watching it. Why was they watching it? Because the research and abductions was like, this is going to be part of it. They kept talking about this. And I'm like, really? Environment.

So I started to pay attention. And I'm like, no, this is just a side little issue. But then I watched it go from being nothing to be the number one political issue. You know, that's huge. Now it's gone a bit back because now we're like, oh, we're going to go AI. And AI needs a lot of energy and we need oil and gas for that. But I think it's going to make a comeback because like COVID, it's a transnational global problem that humanity has to unite. Yeah, a unifier.

And the single policy can go out to everybody. you know, you might have to curtail how much you travel, how many carbon, you know, footprint. Carbon credits. So it sounds crazy, but, but this, I watched this, this phenomenon go from being nothing to being so politically important. Yeah. And this is, was part of the world of abductions.

This was even this kid in Africa. This is interesting, yeah. The, the ideas, you know, that we are going to help you when these cataclysms come. And I wonder, like, if, you know, there's, the masons have a saying at chaos or the room, they say, you know, you create chaos and you present yourself as a solution. You can go along maybe that way. Or maybe there are like, if this is a spiritual phenomenon, and they're aware that maybe there are judgments from God that they can re-frame, you know. But regardless, I don't know. I'm just.

saying this was part of the world of reductions, messaging about environment was always part of it. And I saw that story with Al Gore's, you know, documentary and everything. It just kept going higher and higher

in the level of importance in the political speech and policy until it became nearly like close to like the number one issue of the world. Now it's taken a bit of a kind of back. It's gone to back a little bit, but it's going to come back out because it's what a lot of the kind of

highly secular, um, woke, universities mandated education all around the Western world is giving really a huge, you know, importance in the environment, including political parties and policies. So I watched it. You have to understand. Like, I'm telling you, like, I'm telling like when I started researching this and I heard that environment was a huge part of it and I started look into it. No one was talking about the environment. I know it sounds crazy. Literally it was not an important issue.

And that's what I'm saying. Even people were like science were saying, we don't see a problem. Look in Beijing, roses are still growing. And then I watched with my own eyes how this thing evolved. And because I had this in the back of my mind that wow, these guys are they influencing us? And this will be my little experiment. If it's true, then this thing is going to go up. and, you know, in importance.

So I got to ask you this, and I don't want to sidetrack. No, please. This narrative of the global environment and all the things being connected to the hybrids and abductions and all this. Would it be, and I know this is going to sound silly because I'm a silly person, so people are going to probably laugh when I say this, but I'm kind of serious. Is it a plausibility that some people, that are prominent in that push and narrative beat hybrids themselves like Greta Thunberg. Because Greta is, there's always been something about her that's off.

And I heard that maybe she's a little autistic, but the fact that she's so prominent in that, I don't know. Maybe she just didn't learn how to be a human totally. You know, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, they can be completely human. Even, even so eventually they contacted Dr. Jacobs. Okay.

Wait, they is in the hybrids? Yes. Okay. So he's never written, and maybe I shouldn't say, but he said if ever writes another book, it'll be his conversations with the hybrids. Wow. Is he still around? I am, as in alive. Yeah.

I haven't checked. But I think so. Yeah. Maybe I can get him now. Yeah. Right. And so he, it sounds like they are a little bit robotic. They can never really be human.

You know, you can't just learn how to be human. And so no matter how much, you know, telepathy and information you dump into their brains and how much you connect their emotions, stuff for them to feel it and how many toys they play and have romances they have, they're never going to be human. So you're right that there would be something off with these characters. And that's what always people have pointed to. So the first character that was put in that category of, oh, there's something off with this guy was actually. Putin. He was like the first guy. The Hearst, it was called, there was a submarine that went down and everyone died in it in Russia. And it was a big deal. Like the Russians were like really affected

by this. And Putin wasn't. It was just like, oh, well. And there was a national outrage at its lack of reaction. Really? Yes. And the next day he showed up with flowers and everything and to kind of rectify it. And that was like, okay. And that was a normal. And they could say, well, he was a KGB agent. And you know, he's a KGB agent. Like, they're not very like emotional. Death is true. They're assassins. Yeah. Yeah. This is part of life. Right. People fall out of windows. It happens. Twice in a day. Yes. Of course. The window was open. He thought it was closed. He leaned on it. But, but still there was this, there's, so you're right that Greta is an interesting choice. You're absolutely right.

So identifying, let's say someone like Jacobs's research or even Johnny Macro, but Hopkins, but I think Jacobs has the biggest body of research. These guys only offer us a small window, the truth is, into this whole thing. So let's say the ones that he's seeing are like guys who are like living in, you know, subdivisions in their 20s, now they would be in their 30s. and they're just trying to understand how to be human. How many of those grow up to become influencers? How many influencers are directly contacted by the people that are their bosses,

not the hybrids themselves, and directly influenced? You want to know something? I once watched this documentary, and there was an older gentleman, and he was dying. And he said, you know, I'm dying, and I want to tell the world that fiber optic cable came into my mind from these beings. And they told me that they would kill me if I told anybody, but now I'm dying. You know, the Watson and Crick, they discovered the double helix nature of DNA. Okay.

And so Watson said, you know, they were thinking about it forever, but he said the idea just came to his mind on a drive to work. And it, Crickton wrote a book saying that human DNA was unlike any other DNA on the planet. And he believed that it was alien. So this idea of populating thoughts, once we place the empirical data in a larger body of, you know, knowledge, I'll talk about this transfer of thought and knowledge is very common in human history. But influencing the human world and being in this guys is something that comes through.

And then there's a whole new age dimension to all of this, where people will put a new age dimension on top of it, where they will now go down the rabbit hole of a spiritual experience that they're having. And that's a lens. So the integration and learning how to integrate becomes part of this window into all of this. And, um, Greta is an interesting, you know, a character that you brought up, but they are misfits.

Beyond that, what, how do we, how can we see this? I guess that's the next chapter of our conversation is, what do we do with all this information? What does it really mean? Who are these people? What's going on? Why didn't they just land on the lawn of the White House and say, we're here?

Just tell us. Just tell us, you know, how is this connected to a bigger tale? And I can talk about that. And so basically, when it comes to the various lenses through which you can look at this phenomenon, you can go with, okay, it's not real. It's all just fairy tales. It's a psychiatric disorder. But there's too much data. They go, okay.

So then you go to another one. Oh, they're aliens. That's a Darwinian lens. The Darwinian lens says, we evolved here. Beings conceivably evolved somewhere in the universe. So now the theory of evolution, you're applying it to the entire universe. And you're just making this huge assumption. And it all works everywhere.

Life evolved everywhere. And so they evolved. They technologically advanced. And now they're coming here. And now you have to create a story as to why. And different thinkers in that world will create their own version. Like global warming and the idea that we were just talking about the whole save the planet kind of thing. Save the planet.

You know, you mentioned Greta. Here's another person. His name is Dr. Stephen Greer. Yeah. And so Greer is very much in the hold of these beings. When you say in the hold, can you expound on that a little bit before we pass to X? I think I know what you mean, but I would like to. He's a believer that this is a great thing.

and that the saviors of humanity have arrived. He's the one that does the CE5 protocol. Yes, but the government is trying to keep it under wraps. But when the internet came out as a thing, he finally like this is the way I can talk to the world, and he organized, I guess, the world's first webinar, I'd say, and where he then brought all of these important people from the military and the government who had signed a paper with him

that said that only he could, you know, represent them and their stories could only come out through him. And there's some interesting stuff. Like these guys were, you know, heavy hitters and had some interesting stories. I recorded the webinar. I have it on VHS tape. But basically, I ordered it. He had a whole, like you can call in, order it. I watched it when it was happening live. But this whole thing, Stephen Greer, says they're going to give us solutions to our problems like the environment. He says that they're going to give us, for instance, technology that for very cheap, like close to free type of thing will allow us to turn salt water into drinking water

because you know that most of the water in the world is salt water, like the oceans and stuff. But the drinking water, there's much less of that, right? That's why the Chinese, they look at the five great lakes where there's like 22% of the world's drinking water. And I'm like, we want that. Too bad, it's mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're deeply integrated to Canada, the CCP party. So they want the natural resources and land and water because now the Chinese population is going down.

And they had the one child policy. But for a while. That's what happens, right? The math doesn't know. Amazing. Yes, Matt. Who have thought? One child.

But there was a time where they were on the rise, and they were like, we're going to outgrow this place eventually, you know? But regardless. So that's another character, Stephen Greer. I went to interview him, but once he realized that Aime was interested more kind of in this other framing, not the ancient astronaut framing, which leads us to the aliens of a rise. And before we finish on that one, so what is the message of those who go along with that line of reasoning? Their message is that the saviors of the world have arrived.

This phenomenon in the modern age began in 1947. But as early as 1948 and 49, we see a high-level U.S. government officials getting briefings, and they're told basically the saviors the world have arrived. And then in 1951, there's that movie that comes out from Hollywood the day the planet Earth stood still. It's this alien. It's a black and white movie. Alien arrives to the Earth. He's captured. He's taken.

He's in hospitals. They do experiments on him. They're talking to him, trying to figure him out. And then the last scene in the movie, he comes back to his spaceship. and there's like tanks and, you know, jeeps and guns all around him. And he kind of goes up the ramp and then he stops and turns around and he lifts his finger up. And for one minute, all technology ceases to function in the whole earth. And in that moment, he captures everyone's attention and shows his power.

He delivers a message. And the message is that you got to put away your warlike ways, because this is after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You got to work, you know, it's like the, it's like sometimes in Star Trek, there's this idea that if, if, if, if, um, the crew of the USS Enterprise detects a warp signature, that means that civilization is one you can make contact with.

It's like, oh, the atomic bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki brought in the nuclear age. And that caught the attention of the galactic community. That's the story. that's the stories that is told. So then these guys come and they want to help us through our warlike ways into this more age of Aquarius and in this enlightened era that will welcome us into the galactic community.

But we've got to put our warlike ways away. And that's why they appear to add nuclear silos and turn things off and on to say, look, we were stronger than you. That was the narrative. But that narrative came out right off the bat when this phenomenon began culturally and people began to talk about it where there was no research done people were just trying to collect data to understand what's going on but already this became the messaging right off the bat it came not only with like appearances like these things the UFOs

appear but it came with the messaging right off the bat and the messaging is that the saviors of the world have arrived and that messaging is the number one message of all all the people that are into, into embracing that. They contact these, Stephen Greer, the UFO cults in China have millions of people in them.

It's a world religion. People don't talk about it opening, but as a researcher, like people confide to me and they don't know what my perspective may be. And so they just open up. Like, we're talking like, you know,

top lawyers in the city or things like that. And then they just, right off the bat, that's what they say. Like, the saviors the world have arrived. the aliens are going to help us. And of course the environment could be a huge problem in the sense that not that it's real,

but it can be made real and it can be something that it's a global emergency. And so we need help. You know, we need help. And so this becomes the messaging. So ancient astronaut theorists like von Donakin, Zachary's Sitchin,

a few others, which they create their own explanation. They go, look, aliens are not new. They have existed in the past, and our ancestors wrote about them, like the ancient astronaut,

you know, there's a movie on history channel. There's a series on history network. It's very popular. That kind of thinking, that is then applied to the modern age in the Darwinian paradigm. And its manifestation in the modern age is that our benevolent saviors have arrived.

But as research started to happen, like this abduction phenomenon, it's secretive, it's dark, something bad is happening to you, and then someone might get really caught into it and see it's a good thing, but if you look at it subjectively, objectively, it's not nice. It's very dark, actually. So what other lens do we have other than psychology, which is it's all in your head, or the Darwinism of the ancient astronaut theories and their modern application of that thinking, which is you just decide for yourself that these are aliens and naturally they're more evolved technologically, therefore they must be evolved morally and spiritually. And they're just more advanced beings and they've come, you know, to help us. That's the messaging of the day the earth still. And then the other lens, of course, is one more lens, which is the lens of the

guru. They are ancient humans that have spiritually ascended. They're ascended masters. And then the final lens is the biblical lens. and so I looked at all the lenses and kind of just basically followed the data. Like where did I find more facts that matched what these guys were like recording empirically.

And so the biblical lens, the UFO phenomenon, what it did for us is, like L.A. Marzuli, another bit, what it did for us is it kind of brought to life, the modern of the UFO phenomenon, he brought to life the stories of angels, I guess, like the chariot of the prophet Elijah. He goes up in a charity of fire and horse of fire.

The vision of Ezekiel. And the chariots of the gods, like it says in the book of Psalms, the chariots of God are Myriad, the Rechev Elohim. And then there's a Rechavesh, which is the chariot of fire. So God is present at Sinai with his chariots. and even the whole Merkeva, that he comes back in Isaiah prophetically,

God returns. And Rechev is like what takes you from A to B? It's not really a chariot. It's just that in Old English, there was no other vehicle. So it was like, okay, chariot. But actually it just means vehicle,

A to B. Like in modern day Hebrew, when Israel became a nation again and they wanted to resurrect Hebrew language, well, they didn't have a word for train. trains, because trains didn't exist in biblical times. So they went back to the Bible, and the Hebrew is designed around a three-letter root system, where every word has three letters that are at the basis of it.

This is the root. And from there, you modified with vowels and prefixes and suffixes to create other words. That's why words that are the same in Hebrew are translated differently in English. and sometimes you lose the meaning. But if you were to look up that word Hebrew and then look it up in every instance where it appears in the Bible, you would now get more insight

into what it's saying. But a little bit of that insight is lost because English will use different words to translate the same Hebrew root system. So you don't quite realize that this word and this word are actually connected and therefore these two passages are connected through the English lens.

It's not a big loss, but I mean, English was wonderful for studying the Bible. It's meant to be studied in every language, but definitely you do get a little bit more depth. So they went back to Hebrew and they looked up the word, Rechev, this word, which means vehicle A to B. And then they modified Rikvat to create the word train, because it's plural. It's many wagons, you know, one vehicle attached to another one, attached to another one, so it's many vehicles attached together. That's what a train is. So, first of all, it's A to B.

And so the idea that both the dark angels and God's angels, that the idea that, hey, you know what, this whole phenomenon, what if it's actually the physical manifestation of the world of God and angels in the heavens and on the earth, like the host of the heavens and the host of the earth? Because the word heavens is plural in English. But why is it plural? because it's plural in Hebrew, Shamaim. And what does it mean? Well, the first heaven is where the birds fly. English translates it as sky. So you'll be reading your Bible and I'll say like sky.

But it's actually the same word as universe. Just a translator thought, okay, this is obviously about the sky. Then the second heaven is the area outside of the earth. earth where kind of like the sun and the moon are and the third heaven is like the rest of the universe and then david talks about the shemayim of the shemim the heavens of the heavens and that's like the temple at the heart of time and space so we tend to think of the universe as a separate thing from the biblical concept of the heavens because we make it singular heaven and heaven becomes paradise and the universe

you know all of these like secret societies and this influence of human thought when the story is that when the gospel came out of Jerusalem to the nations it challenged the worship of the gods of Rome so the priests of Jupiter and the devout to that religious system went underground and form the secret societies, to reestablish polytheism

and the rule of the gods, to contend with the ever-expanding influence of the gospel. And so what we see is that these guys appear like they're all masons for some reason, you know, Lord Bacon, Galileo, Newton, and they,

I once was talking to a high level real Mason. And he was explaining to me, it was hard to get stuff out of him because they do have secrecy sworn. But there's rituals and something you memorize to go to the next level.

And it was telling me that without that stuff gives you revelation. And he said without it, Newton would have never come out with his ideas, he told me. So these guys start to say to us, we're not really in the biblical heavens. We are in the universe.

we're like, okay, what's the universe? Galileo's like, well, we'll look at, we'll look through my telescope. You know, it's like one of the earliest telescopes. And then we'll document it. So we started looking through telescopes and we create bigger and bigger eyes. We're looking into this thing. And we're like, okay, it's a bunch of rocks, there's gas. Oh, there's clusters.

We'll create names, dwarfs, galaxies, da-da-da-da. So suddenly it's like we're inside of this thing called the universe. and it's like we decide what it is and we document it through these eyes that we have into it. Meanwhile, we are, we already have an explanation for what this thing is.

It's called the heavens and it's God-like stages. And some people will say the first heaven is the sky, the second heaven is the universe in the Bible and the third heaven is where God is. Others will say like, you know, the first sky, the first heaven is the sky, second heaven is where the sun and the moon is

and the third heaven is the rest of the universe. and that includes part of wherever God's temple is. And as I said, you know, David talks about the heavens. But this was the way, meaning that the word heavens and the word universe were the same thing, culturally, for European people. And like Bill Clinton, for instance, he was doing one of these state of union speeches, and he was investing into NASA. And he said, you know, that we are investing in the exploration of the heavens.

So we all knew he meant outer space, right? So these scientists come and they initiate the scientific age for us, which is changing the paradigm. Before that, Europeans and even the Puritans, you know, that settled here, they lived under a theistic paradigm. A theistic paradigm, like in the Middle East, people live under a theistic paradigm. A theistic paradigm is one where collectively the culture explains life through the idea of God. So the sciences were seen as the... So theology was seen as the queen of the sciences. First you understood God and then through that you understood God's creation.

So sciences were there to document God's creation help us understand God's creation, which is a reflection of God, which ultimately will help us understand God. And this theistic paradigm that Europeans and the early colonists and settlers lived under was slowly replaced in the Age of Enlightenment by the coming of the scientific age. It took like centuries and decades and centuries of, you know, where we shifted collectively from the theistic paradigm to the scientific paradigm, the materialistic paradigm. So David Hume, for instance, play a huge role in this,

which means he said basically, like, he's a materialism, it's a form of philosophy, the idea is that you can only believe what your eyes see. So Christians, we said, no, no, through the eyes of faith, we see a spiritual world. So suddenly the world of the Christian became more and more separate

from the created order. It became a place of ghosts and spirits of inner eye and inner heart and vision and you see something everybody else doesn't. But certainly it's nothing to do with this bowl of, you know, dirt that's going around this big fiery ball inside of this big vast space. Oh, God has something so much bigger in mind.

There's kind of a diminishing of the created order in the Christian imagination. Even though the Bible doesn't see it, it that way. In the days of creation where everything is kind of laid out is blessed. Every day is blessed. Every stage is blessed. David being a shepherd looks up into the sky and sings the glory of the heavens, the stars and all that stuff. And all the ancient people, like our collective ancestors, you know, they studied it and there were astronomers and they found a lot of value in it. but in the Middle Ages we start to see this idea of like the physical universe and the physical being is profane

it's corrupt full of sin and and by by kind of some logic that which is pure is not physical spiritual means not physical so so when Jesus comes back from the dead and at the end of the gospel of Luke, which is the gospel that emphasizes he says, he says, I'm not a ghost. I have flesh and bone. He goes out of his way to say that.

Then he asks for food. And they have fish and honey, and they give it to him. And he eats it. Why did the Holy Spirit record that of all the things that was spoken between them? Perhaps because that would be challenged later.

The physical nature of the Messiah. in the kingdom. You know, there's, there's, there's, in Christian thinking, there is already a spirit version of God, where God manifests his creation as, as, as a spirit. It's still him. It's his presence. It's not like some energy, like, you know, it's, it's his presence. And, and, and, and also he's outside of time and space. And he's everywhere as a father, the only, but he also appears as a man eventually. That's just how the story goes. so there is a human version you know it's a physical version in fact you could say that that you could argue i think pretty successfully from the historical account of the gospels that jesus

essentially is a jew in addition to being like the son of god he's a son of king david and that's what gabriel announces to his mother you know miriam that you know he'll inherit the throne of his father David and rule over the house of Jacob. So he's the character they're waiting for, you know, and she's blessed among the woman because Jewish woman, in each generation, there was an idea among the devout, and she was very devout, that who will be the mother of the Messiah? That was being like a great honor for a Jewish woman to be the vessel through which, you know, life comes, the life-giving Messiah. And so the idea was that she was blessed.

the Hmong woman. She was finally the one chosen, but then her child was then the one who would be fulfilling what the Old Testament had said about the son of David, who would be the Messiah. That's a confirmation that your kid is the one that this book is talking about, because he's going to rule over the house of Jacob. He's going to inherit the throne of David. So at some point, the idea became that no, no, no, the throne of David, that's the throne of God. He's gone, he's received the whole created order, there is no throne of David. You know, there is no rule over the house of Jacob.

He's never going to set up shop in the actual city of Jerusalem. That's over with. That becomes more and more of the predominant Christian thinking, which actually leads to people killing Jews because Jews no longer have a purpose. Israel has no longer a purpose. Jerusalem has a purpose. The physical universe is no longer a purpose.

So come with the age of enlightenment, come with the rise of materialism, where the Christian feels more and more isolated, and now has to say, no, no, you don't understand. There's more than the material world. And I know that through my faith. And so these characters, the angels, and the whole world, the metaphysical world of the Bible, gets more and more transposed. You know, the physical is profane, this is the middle age.

it's more and more transposed in this unseen realm. And the universe and the earth going around the sun and the mysteries of the created order, that's what, you know, materialist scientists, you know, look into. And humans that don't have this spiritual eye to see this deeper story. And there's nothing to see here, folks. And definitely the world of angels

and the stuff, there's nothing to do with God. This, everything I just told you about, this could have nothing to do with the world of God and angels and Bible. Because that world is very different. It's, first of all, not a physical world. Second of all, it's a magical world where things don't happen through sequence and process.

The physical creation of God, like, for instance, there's a story in the Old Testament where these angels come to Abraham, God says to Abraham, I'm going to destroy Sodom Gimorra. And the Abraham enters into a big bargaining story with him, like, what if there's so many righteous? Because his nephew, Lot lives there and all that.

But eventually when God decides to destroy Saddam Gamora, it involves angels. They go in, they grabs, you know, a lot. the people that live there want to have sex with them. That's what it says. Because they were having sex with angels, maybe this is what the story is, the creation of hybrids.

And then these guys, you know, they're part of the destruction of Saddam and Gamer. So it's like, does God really, like, think it? And then somehow the natural universe manifests God's desire and fire and brimstone fall from the sky? or does he send these angels and says, destroy it?

How do they do it? Do they have weapons? So the physical universe, like, do we have cars and boats and ships because we travel between the islands, the continents, the way that you can travel between the planets and if you see space as ocean? Are we mirroring the world of God and angels in some way because we are issued of that world.

And these bodies of knowledge. So the whole story of hybrids for us, the reality of it, and that's why Chuck was saying there's a lot of interest in this, brought to life the story of biblical hybrids, the Nephalim, which Jerome, he translated the Bible, I think, into Latin, and he translated Nephalima's gigantos giants. And there's good reasons why he did that.

There's two ways of spelling it in Hebrew, whether it's in the book of numbers, the book of Genesis, and one does mean giants. Nafal means like fallen ones. So the idea that, wow, in the Bible it says that these angels, the sons of God, created human versions of them by mingling their cells with humans. Now, they're hybrids in the Bible.

Not only are they, like, you know, moving things that travel around in God's creation, but there's also, like, hybrids. And now that you could kind of, the same way that the UFO Phnomnom brought the world of angels to life in a new way, modern-day hybrids brought ancient hybrids. to life. But this wasn't just in the Bible, it was in all of our literature. They were called demigods. You know, you look at, let's say, for instance, the Reg Veda, which is like the foundational Vedic text. And it's the worship of Indra, who is a demigot. You look at the code of Hammurabi, where he receives the code of law from Shams, the sun god who becomes Apollo. And this is

tall guy sitting on the throne. Is that just giving the scroll? to Hamarabi. Now you could say, well, that's a personification of whatever being. You know, maybe he received it in a dream. Maybe he, maybe he was a big light like Moses in the burning bush. Sure. Or maybe it was a guy, you know. So the idea of demigods and their line, you know, all of it was classified as mythology, the way that you have known on in hybrids are classified as storytelling, Now, you know, you look at the Greek civilization, for instance, which had a whole line, one of the tribes of the four tribes that make up the Greeks, came from the line of Hercules. And who was Hercules? Well, the son of Zeus and a woman, so he was like a demigod, who was a Nephilim. There's tons of Nephilim stories, actually, at the basis of Western civilization.

starting with King Minos in Crete, which is really the foundation of Western society. That's the oldest archaeological records of what becomes the West is in the island of Crete. But that's the whole other story. So this whole phenomenon of these biblical hybrids that the Hebrew calls Nephilim and the English calls giants,

like Goliath is a famous one, Og of Bashan, there are these like kings. And the record we have from other Middle Eastern literature where it says that these guys would be hired to be mercenaries like Goliath and his brothers were to shift the balance of power. And then we have all of this extra writing from religions from all around the world where they were worshipped and honored. Now kind of came back to life. You're like, wow, if hybrids exist today, well, they would have existed in the past as well. and that's what these guys are recording, actually. In the same way that today we dismiss them as crazy,

our scientists are dismissing the old stories as mythology. Let's bring this back into the realm of history. This was real. Let's look at the older data from that point of view. See what comes out of that. So now, you know, we're starting to look at these lenses of the ancient astronaut theorists of the ascended masters, of it's all myth

then and now, psychology, but now you're like, okay, let me look at it through the biblical lens, and the advantage of the biblical lens, now that you can believe in the world of angels and their hybrid offspring,

in a real way, like this is all real, that world now offers you an actual narrative. That goes from ancient times to modern times because the Bible

is not, just a book of history. It's an exceptional document among all the revelations that have come from the gods. It's the only one, like you look at the Quran, you look at, let's say, the Evesta, which was the main book of the Zoroastrians, a huge religion for at least 1400 years, but it was older than that. There was the Inuma Elish, the main scripture of Mesopotamia that influenced all the way of the world, the Greco-Roman civilization. There was, you know,

more like the Egyptian Book of the Dead or the Tibetan Book of the Dead. There's minor scriptures, like the analects of Confucius or Laotus Tauti Ching. Then, of course, there is the Reg Veda and the four Vedic texts and the Upanishad.

And then, of course, the Bhagavad Gita, which is the encounter with Bal Krishna. He's a Bal, which is translated in English as Lord. And that's in the Mahabrata, which is the big book of Indian history. But in the middle of it, there is this guy, Arjuna, and he has an encounter with Krishna that's a big encounter, and that conversation becomes a scripture called the Bhagavad Gita, the song of Lord Krishna.

or Balchrishna. And all of these books that are the influencing documents, the basis of human thought and civilization, the algorithms of knowledge are handed down. And at the heart of it is always the revelation of the deity. The Bible is different, unique in this entire body of scripture, and I've studied all them all, than comparative scripture study to understand what's going on,

it was a foundation of civilization. And the Bible has a distinct narrative structure where history and prophecy are juxtaposed to form the basis of the narrative. So God says what's going to happen. And then that is recorded when it occurs. So God says to Abraham, your children are going to receive this land. You're going to be slaves for 400 years, yada, yada, yada. And then the book of Exodus comes to say, wow, God said it, and now it's happening. And that becomes the pattern.

You know, God tells to Sarah and Abraham, you're going to have a kid. And that kid, Isaac, is going to be the covenantal seed. And they're old. So it's kind of a miracle. It's a miraculous child. But it's also a prophetic nation. God prophes Israel into existence to Abraham and Sarah. And from then on, the story of Israel is told before it occurs.

So the whole story of Israel is told. as the story of a prophetic nation. And the story of empire is told before it happens. And the story of the world is told before it happens. And the Messiah is told in detail before he appears on the stage of history. And that's why the Gospels record only the aspect of Jesus' life that captures what the Old Testament says about the Messiah. To show the Jews to start with everybody else that might want to follow this logic,

that he really is the character that the word of the God of Israel had talked about. And that's why he gets a checkmark. because it was miracles, or that even came back from the dead, but because his life captures in history what the God of Israel had said about the Messiah, therefore the verification system is there. He can be fooled. And the coming of the Holy Spirit, the look of Acts is the fulfillment of God's promises through the prophets of Israel, and that's why it's recorded, that it actually God spoke.

So God speaks, and then it occurs on the stage of history. that is the basis of the entire narrative structure of the Bible, and that makes it unique among all the scriptures of the world. It's the only one that tells the future before it happens on this magnitude. And that is to say that this is the book that comes from the one who is the God of Gods, who sits outside of time and space, to whom all of creation is subject, even these other beings who may be uttering these stories and creating hybrids.

And that's one of the way the texts, you know, provides the supremacy of this deity over everything else, it's by the narrative structure of future telling, which is the basis of the biblical structure, that binds a whole thing together. God doesn't do anything other than that which she reveals through his servants of prophets. That's why, like, if you look at Neveim,

the book, the second section of the Old Testament in the Hebrew canon is called Neveim. It means prophets. But in that book is also the historical books of Samuel and Kings. Why? Because for the Jewish mind, those books were the fulfillment of God's Word. And that's why they belonged in the prophetic books, not in the historical books. That's how they were such.

This was a supernatural document. So that uniqueness of this lens and the fact that it has archaeology supporting it, you can dig up Babylon. Like, archaeology is a new thing. And that's why it was created. I don't know if people know the story of how archaeology came to be. I don't know a side try. Basically, it came out of Napoleon.

Napoleon has an army in Egypt to fight the British. Because Napoleon can defeat the British on sea. The British Navy is on a whole other scale and all the other navies of Europe. because Britain is an island. And so they're really good at water stuff. And no one can take their Navy. I mean, that's the secret of why Britain was never conquered, because no one could defeat their Navy.

So that's why the highest rank in Britain, like the army, is the Lord of the Admiralty, right? The Admiral of the Navy. And the Lord of the Admiralty is like the highest, you know, guy. So anyhow, so Britain and, Egypt becomes where Napoleon is going to fight the British. And while he's there and his soldiers are hanging around, they got nothing to do. They start drawing the pyramids and the sphinx and stuff like that.

And you have to understand that all of the stuff, like even the ones that will be found in Mesopotamia, if you Google Zygorat, you'll see like these giant pyramids. they're all under dirt, like they're covered with dirt. I mean, you can just see like little pieces, even the pyramids. You'll see little pieces appear, and you can see there's something underneath it. And it's all covered dirt. The centuries of dirt, the wind of the desert, burying all of this. So Napoleon soldiers, they're like making big drawings of this stuff. And those drawings come back to Paris.

And at that time in France, spiritualism had taken. off to encounter Catholicism and secularism as well had taken off. The French Revolution wasn't just against the king, but also against the clergy. That's what makes the French and English society very different from each other. English human rights is based on the idea that man is made in the image of God, and therefore he has received certain rights. That's the basis of English human rights. All these English political philosophers, they go to the books of Moses, and they take out the foundation of human rights, that you're born in the image of God, and you can see Adam had a choice.

You could choose a curse for a blessing. Therefore, you must have free will. The government can't tell you what to believe in, because God didn't force that on Adam. And he had property, you know, had to take care of property. And then later we have with the story of Kane and all kinds of, you know, the rights are pulled out by these English political philosophers and thinkers from the books of Moses.

And that forms the basis of English human rights, which is shared by the Commonwealth and the Republic. And eventually, you know, Thomas Jefferson kind of lays it out in the Declaration of Independence. But the French, they didn't go down that road. They rejected all of that. It was a secular revolution. But spiritualism was something that was prevalent in a time of Napoleon. And spiritualism was like looking into alternative spirituality outside of Catholicism. So you were looking into spirits, mediums, you know, channeling things and different types of spirituality.

And so these guys, they formed what was called the salon. It was run by women in their homes, aristocratic woman. And you got together and you discussed spirituality. But in the context of spiritualism. And they got these drawings from the soldiers and they loved it. This stuff looked so weird and occult and, wow, like this. What's this? This, what is this?

And so then these guys said, wait a second, are you telling us that all the stuff that we read about in the Bible, these ancient cities, the Babylon, the Syria, Egypt, and stuff we're reading like Greek writings, like Homer, you know, Ulysses that goes around, and the Odyssey from port to port. stuff could actually be there and we could go dig it up. Like, is this for real? So they propose the birth of a new science, Archaeologos. Logos means knowledge, the bodies of logos, the bodies of not biology, physiology. This is the knowledge of, and these are the foundations of Western humanistic sciences that compete with the bio. Or now they do, but originally they didn't. So anyway, so the archaeologos means old.

Archaeologos means the study of old things, archaeology. And they assign themselves a mission. And the mission is to find the empirical roots of Western civilization. That Western civilization is not based on fairy tales. It has strong foundation. And that is going to be found in the writings of the Hebrews and the Greeks, the two pillars of Western civilization. They're going to go look for the stories,

of the cities of the Bible, and they're going to look for the stuff in Greek literature, the cities of that, you know, Ulysses travels, the ports of Ulysses. They're going to see if they can find it to show that this stuff was real. And therefore, Western civilization is based on, and in Homer's writings, there's lots of works for the gods and these beings, the Ulysses is involved. That this was, Western civilization is now based on fairy tales. It's based on real stuff. and therefore it has strength behind it.

And with this, they set off looking, and there's ambassadors out to the Middle East, and they think they're going to discover Assyria because that's kind of, you know, about a thousand years before the time of the Lord. They're like, anything beyond that is probably a myth. that's as far as we probably were going to actually find stuff. And of course, what they discover blows their mind and changes the world forever,

especially once they never thought ever that they were going to actually discover libraries with thousands of tablets. Well, we have now about a million tablets. Most of them we haven't read because, you know, you have to, like, go to university. If, like, learn how to read, you know, ancient Acadian and Samaria. and all that. Then you've got to, like, get funding from someone who's going to pay you to sit and read it. And so they're all, like, sitting there, you know.

But the stuff we have read, which is, you know, pretty good sample, it has really revolutionized the thinking of Europeans. And I would be a huge side track for us to go into that. But I just wanted to explain that at the time, at the time, where Darwin's ideas were kind of like traveling through Europe, it's as though God blew off the sand of the Mesopotamian desert and brought back the ancient biblical cities. They were very surprised that they discovered the towns as attributed to Noah's children in Genesis chapter 10.

They found every single town minus one. And that was to their own surprise. They were shocked. And the older, the further south they dug in Mesopotamian, by the older cities. And when they finally got to the oldest city, Eridu, where some people speculate we get our name Earth from,

like in English, through high German. But Eridu is an old Mesopotamian name. And there are tablets that we have from the Library of Mesopotamian that tell us that Eridu was one of the four great cities from before the flood. That's what it says. But Eridu was also had a post-Diluvian history.

And that's the oldest human city. And when they find it, there are pillars of temples. And they're confused. No matter how back they go, humanity is advanced. They don't see the stepping stones of how we create a little huts and then learn how to do this and learn how to do that. And all of it, the knowledge that came for architecture, temple building, which is super advanced. Like, you have no idea how advanced it is to build a ziggarette the last 4,000 years. you try to build a house that last 4,000 years.

It's super advanced. I remember this architect, he was saying, whoever built a pyramids could have built anything they wanted to. If that's not your area of knowledge, you don't realize how advanced math, how much engineering is behind something like that. But all of it came, according to the libraries, from knowledge that was handed down to us.

architecture, laws, the worship of the gods, which was central to all of it, and the laws of the gods, which were the codes of civilization, and medicine. They're performing surgery.

And military arts. And when you kind of go into before the flood, there's the book of Enoch that talks about the creation of hybrids. That's like probably the oldest like, you know, book that talks about the creation of hybrids, but with that comes also seven bodies of knowledge

that are mentioned by seven of these, you know, 250 beings that hand out this body of, do this creation of hybrids, but there's these body of knowledge handed down, and these bodies of knowledge are what we would classify as sciences today, but they were actually the building blocks of an orchids, called to religious system of worshipping them.

And when you look like there's a story that happens before the flood in the Bible where the line of Cain, Cain has all these kids. And each one of those kids, we are told, has a body of knowledge. Like this one was the father of the metallurgists. This one was the first one who came out with music. And it gives you a list. And the old Jewish commentators used to say that because of the,

this is the line of Cain, all of these bodies of knowledge was used for the worship of the sons of God, or what Christians eventually call fallen angels. That, yes, there's metallurgy, but because idols were created. Yes, there was music to worship these beings. So the reason they're all mentioned under the line of Cain is because already these guys are corrupting the world. So if you say to me, so there's ancient hybrids are created. So what is kind of the big picture of, the Bible say about why our hybrids, you know, among us always have been from the past and the

present? So the big picture answer is that the roles that they have in the Bible is essentially can be summarized in one word, to corrupt the world. What does that mean? It means to deflect humanity to the worship of these other bodies of knowledge and occult and their fathers, their creators. They are the saviors of the world, we were told. Their purpose is to destroy the covenants of God. They're covenant breakers. They are the killers of those who are the holders of covenant, which was the Jews. So destroy the line of Abraham, corrupt the earth with an alternative of knowledge, fill the earth with the image bearers of their fathers. So we are made in the image of God.

They are inserting themselves into those who are made in the image of God and creating beings in the image of their fathers. So their fathers, the sons of God, these fallen angels, are creating beings in their own image. but they're using the image bearers of God to do it. So they're reaching into God's creation, if you take the story literally, who are made in the image of God,

and they're corrupting that image bearer by making from it one in their own image. And then speaking their own laws and their own religions. And the whole thing is targeted against the covenants of God, against the plans of God, to corrupt it,

and to bring about a counterfeit religion of their own that draws from the religions of God, like there's, for instance, let's say urbanization. So people are living as farmers and cattle herders, like Adam's two sons, Abel and Cain. And that's what we see, the record out of Mesopotamia. And then comes the first cities. That's called urbanization.

So anthropologists will call that urbanization. What does that mean? What's urbanization? They say that urbanization was a reorganizing of human society. Something happened in the cities in the south of Mesopotam of modern-day Iraq. What happened? Well, these guys appeared. They were called priest kings.

Lugal, N.C., they're also called Shetam. shepherds because they were going to shepherd humans, the people who lived under them, for the gods. They were the shepherds of the gods, for the humans. And they built these giant temples, the ziggurats. And these guys would sometimes be inside of it because they were kings, but they're also priests. And now the entire society went from a patriarchal model of tribes and clans, like the House of Jacob or the Clans of Scotland. and now they gathered around these priests kings, like the Pharaoh was a very famous one.

And if the priest king served his god well, like in the case of the pharaohs, or Egyptian Book of the Dead, then you were resurrected in the realm of the gods, as long as you served him well. The entire dynasty had to fall in line. And so the reorganization of society from clans to priest kings

is what is called urbanization. So society was reorganized to follow these characters who were priests and kings and shepherds of the gods. And that is what happened in the south of Iraq. And that's what led to the birth

of the first cities of the world. So we could have a final ruler just like that. And then these guys, when Abraham is brought out of the Uur of the Chaldez, or if you Google the ziggurat of uir, to the moon god, huge structure, it's still there.

And we've, you know, the crescent of the moon was a symbol of it. And we've discovered more temples to the moon god than any of these ancient deities. And when God brings him to Melchazadec, and God says this is my priest king. Because Melchizedek is the king of Shalom, which is apparently Jerusalem. And he's also the priest of God.

He's the first priest of God. in the Bible. That's because Abraham is used to that. Where he lives, that's how it works. He's just, God is just redirecting and saying, okay, this is my priest king. And that's the one I want you now to focus on. He's going to teach you

the ways of my religion. He's going to teach you about monotheism. He's going to teach you how to sacrifice properly, you know, as the priest. So there's a recent temple, well, there's a recent archaeological find that made a lot of noise in Israel where they believe that they've discovered the original temple of Abraham, where Abraham was doing the sacrifices.

Wow. And it does seem a lot like the basic foundation of what eventually became temple sacrifice is there. All the elements are there. There's a rock that's standing straight, and the idea is that that rock was anointed with olive oil, and there's places for blood sacrifice, and the ideas that Melchazadeghazadegh taught that to him, to Abraham. And so there's kind of a change that happens. So not to distract from our story, the idea is that the influence into human civilization

from these other beings and from the structure they set up and from their hybrid offspring and their scriptures and their different bodies of knowledge, this is kind of the story of how civilization was formed. Moses goes on top of the mountain, he receives the words of God that form the basis the basis of the Hebrew civilization, but Muhammad receives a revelation that becomes the basis of the Islamic civilization, and Jesus comes in the world and speaks in the Roman Empire as changed. The codes of reality are altered.

And this is kind of how all of these civilizations explain their genesis to us, until we get Gordon Child, who comes and says, no, that's not how it all happened. There was the New Lithic Revolution. Farming was created by men. Men now could sit around a bonfire and talk to each other. and then they started to come up with stuff like architecture and medicine and military arts and all of these things because they had time to now like not run after their food and that's what's taught in all the universities

despite all of this written record from the libraries where our collective ancestors tell us how it would happen this is the biblical record so so hybrids have always been part of the machinery of negative influence against the plans of the biblical god and But they always looked big. They did look like giants. They were distinct-looking beings. Until the 20th century, where suddenly we get this phenomenon of a re-emergence of all of this, but they're looking like us.

They're going out of their way to make sure they look like us. So we're back, and we had to use the restroom, and then we traveled around the world a little bit. And it's been a wild trip, man. So we're going to tell people about it. Exactly. Just pyramids, ziggurats. You know what's even older than terrestrial archaeology is marine archaeology. Some of the oldest sites are under the sea.

Maybe they were buried, like Dwarca. So this whole thing of the hybrids, if we drew an arch and saw ourselves, okay, what is their purpose today? Once you acknowledge that they were real and all that stuff. So the Bible tells a single story. even though there's many books and it's by design, designed that way because every guy,

every prophet, every character gets a piece of a puzzle he isn't quite to understand. When you click it together, it forms a coherent image to point to us that there was a common author that put it together

even though there's like, you know, hundreds and thousands of years apart these people, but yet they were speaking into a single story and that story is told before it happens.

And so what is that story? The story is the tale of redemption. And what does that mean? So it's the reestablishing of the place of the race of Adam in the cosmic order. Man is made in the image of God. Why? To bring to the creation God's instructions. To be the teacher of the angels.

To bring God's instructions to create order. wherever this how vast it is i don't know it's in the universe beyond the universe whatever now that's the training adam is a kid and now he's going to like grow into that role you know and and be the extension of god into creation as his image bearer as his symbol but the story is that um that's not quite um acceptable to all the characters in the cosmic order and the host of the heavens and the host of the earth. They have free will. They have their own ideas. And there's one guy, and we're told in the book of Isaiah, the five I wills of Satan, we're told, he's got this desire to be like God, to be the number one principle of the created order. He wants that job for himself.

And there doesn't say in the Bible that that's what led him, that's a conjecture. It's like taking the pieces of a puzzle and trying to stick it together. So it's just a conjecture. But the idea is that he decides to take out his competition. He doesn't want to kill him because then every finger would point to him. But more like a lawyer, more like a logical creature, like a Vulcan, he decides to simply invite him to break the commandments of the very God that would, in the court of God, condemn him to death by God's own loss.

He just made a suggestion. But unfortunately, the accepting of that suggestion activated God's death decree. God has to follow through with his own loss. So it's a very kind of a tricky way. It's a very crafty way of getting rid of someone you want to get rid of without having the finger point to you, right? And so that becomes, the story of man is exiled and condemned to death.

Kind of like Israel is exiled from the land and wanders the earth. Jacob is exiled from his family and gets into a big problem because he takes his brother's inheritance and they get into a fight. and Jacob has to leave. And there's all these exiles, you know, the wanderings. And so man is then set out to wander and is separate from God, distance from God and dead.

And therefore man's destiny in the cause of order is denied him. Because man has a destiny in the future of the universe, where prophetically again, there's this thing called the Heavenly Jerusalem that's described. It looks like a key.

cube and when you're kind of in it you're in the presence of god face to face which means that you're like incredibly pure to not be disintegrated and there man resumes his role as royal priest and as child of god an image bearer of god and when kind of that heavenly Jerusalem kind of you know, sets into place and man enters it, that becomes like the entire universe becomes a temple. Like the, the ziggurats had stages, the temple of the gods. But the temple of Jerusalem, the architecture of the temple of Jerusalem, which Moses is told that he's shown heavenly things and has to create earthly replicas of it. So everything about the temple is a clue into the larger architecture of the temple of the temple.

of the temple of God and the universe. So the idea is that there's the outer core, the inner core, the holy of holies, for instance. So the universe becomes in a way like a court. And the heavenly in Jerusalem becomes the holy of holies. The universe becomes a temple because God's creation is in the midst of it, let's say. Now, I'm saying universe because I don't know more about what's out there than the universe. I can only see as far as the universe.

You can call it the creator order. and then when man enters it, man enters the Holy of Holies, and now everything clicks back together the way it was meant to be. This disruption is kind of, you know, absorbed and dealt with. So this is the final destination, but to get to that destination and be re-healed and redeemed, there's a story. So Adam is exiled, condemned to death,

but then the tale of redemption. begins. And it begins really with the character of Abraham. And in this time of the fallen world, where the pillars of the fallen world are being established, the second pillar of the fallen world is the injection of the sons of God into human genome, where they have children, the Nephilim. That's another agent of corruption. But that whole prediluvian world becomes very advanced. It's like the story of Atlantis nearly. They give, they give information, they give knowledge, then they have their kids run it, like these hybrid offspring. And after the flood, we get the character of Nimrod.

And the Nimrod's tale, like in Jewish, you know, legends, let's say, because we don't know, you know, it's just some guy. It's not like the Bible. But some of it is, like, handed down, like, knowledge. It says that Nimrod said to his fellow man that God was kind of bad and he had killed their ancestors. And that those other beings, the ones that fell under judgment, the father of these hybrids, they were the good guys. And we need to kind of go back to worshipping them and to create a civilization under them. So that's the first attempt after the flood to recreate the prediluvian order of the sons of God and their high rod offspring. That fails.

God comes and dismantles that and create division so that that strength and that unity. And the idea is that there's an attempt always to recreate that. And so these guys, they are trying to stop the plan of redemption and inject themselves into the fallen order, create their own image bearers, and export their revolution into the heavens. So they come and they attack this plan of redemption that God creates. That's the second pillar. There's this division that happens. And then comes the character of Abraham, where God says, okay, I'm going to. I'm going to actually start the plan of healing and establishing order.

Out of the chaos of the flood will come order. And the order of God's instructions slowly downloading into the earth. The story of man being redeemed will require a new body because this one is then corrupted by these guys. There's a story of the parable of wheat and terror. where it says, Jesus says, a story. And the story is that, you know, man, like, God plants a seed into the earth, into a garden. Because they asked him, what was the story about? And Jesus is like, one of those stories where he tells them what it's about.

He deciphers it for them. And he says that God, you know, planted his seed in the garden. and while he was sleeping, whatever that means, maybe it was the Sabbath day, the devil came and planted his seed in the garden, and God's seeds became wheat. And devil's seeds became tears.

And in Hebrew, tears are modified wheat, basically. They are very closely related together. And that's why they look the same. They're like genetically modified wheat. Wow. And then they grow together until the end of the age where they flower. And you can see what's wheat and what's tear. And then God sends his angels to take the tears out and burn them and put the wheat in its barns.

But that happens at the end of the age. And 2,000 years ago, the disciples say to Jesus, tell us about the end of the age. obviously the end of the age it began at Pentecost we were told by Peter quoting Joel that this is the beginning of the end times but it's been 2,000 years it hasn't yet ended

so some say well the UFO phenomenon began in 1947 the same year that Israel became a nation and all of these prophecies about the second coming involved Jerusalem and that area of the world

so could it be that we've entered the birth Pang years, the final stage of the end times, which is kind of this period of 2,000 years, which is a bridge between the age of empire and the messianic kingdom, the one that gets established on earth. If you go with a very physical literal, the parable of wooden tears was usually seen by theologians as being like ideas. A god plants his gospel into the world. And then these guys plant, the devil plants, you know, other ideas.

but if we take this very literally, like there's actually hybrids and fallen angels and stuff in the material world, then you can take that weed and tear parable more literally as well. It doesn't mean it's not ideas, but it could also be, because sometimes there's more than one level of meaning,

it can be literally the seed. You know, that's what it's talking about. You know, like God says, I'll put an enmity between, you know, the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. it's like literal. And that's actually, you know, that day when I read that book in the cabin, that's the idea that came to my mind.

As I was walking back to the main compound, I remember crossing the gate into the compound and that idea came to my mind, which was, wow, so this idea, hybrids are real. So then the seed of the serpent is a real thing. And then I thought, okay, so there's actually going to be like a final, like, nemes. like nemesis of God that could, like Goliath was a hybrid. Living amongst humans.

Living on humans. Because not all the Philistines were hybrids. No. They were hired Goliath and the brothers of Goliath, four brothers, to be champions. The way they settled their wars was, instead of all the soldiers fighting together and dying,

they have families, their fathers, their farms. Let's just have the champions fight. And that will tell us which way the gods are leaning. That was their idea. The victory will come from above. You know, we don't need to go all the way through. Whose ever champion survives?

We know that ultimately that camp would have won anyways. Let's just sell it through one life. And that's why they had hired these giants to be their champions who could defeat them, who could, and then I guess Goliath was the biggest baddest, one of the brothers. And that's why they're like, who among you is going to be the champion of the Hebrews? And so, David is kind of like a predecessor, a father of the Messiah. The Messiah is going to come from the line of David.

He's going to literally be a son of David. And that's why Jesus says genealogy traces him back to David. And through two different sons, Solomon and Nathan, in Luke you get the human genealogy through Nathan. Miriam is the daughter of Nathan. And then through Matthew, you get the legal genealogy through Solomon, that he receives the heir to the throne. because he is legally

goes back through Joseph to Solomon. But physically, biologically, it's through Nathan because there's a curse that's spoken on the line of Solomon. But anyways, so the point is that

this idea can be taken literally that there was actually these seeds planted. So if the Wheaton-Tare parable is actually a big picket parable of this phenomenon, it would imply that the, as these guys planted themselves into the human world,

that the, that the spreading of it is quite deep. It's not just a guy like Goliath. It's deep. It's sweet and tears to the level where the angels are like, let's tear the tears out. And God says, no, if you do, you're going to tear my, to pull my weed out too. So if someone killed this person who's ultimately very much genetically the manifestation of a tear,

but maybe their grandchild is a wheat. They're all intertwined. So the idea here is that you have to wait for the end of the age, where everything is going to be settled and manifested. So the intrusion to the human DNA would be quite extensive. if you see this parable as like a master picture of this phenomenon, which now you can divide into seasons of history. It's always the same thing.

It goes against the covenantal purposes of God in every season of history. And what is the covenantal plans of God as a plan of redemption, of restoring the human race in its rightful place, out of, in a love relationship, it's not just a political saga. And the story of David and Goliath are central because if David is the type of the Messiah and Goliath, the type of the final nemesis, he's a nephaline. And so the idea is that they'll be like the seed of the serpent

becomes therefore an actual person. And the seat of the woman, of course, is Jesus, because usually the seed is from the man, unless you adhere to the virgin birth. In that case, the seeds of the woman. So the idea becomes, you can read it futuristic, eschatological, meaning that it ends up manifesting in the life of one man a seed of serpent, a seed of woman.

Or you can read it historically that these are lines. You can go both ways, I guess, because there's evidence of lines. So they play different roles, for instance, the pre-deluvian civilization to create image-bearers for themselves, rule God's creation, and deflect worship to themselves. They're trying that in the age of empire

after the flood, God dismantling it, but then they keep trying it. And then God says to Abraham, you know what, I'm going to give you this land. And God reveals the boundaries of the land. And so when the children of Israel show up and they send spies in the land, they get afraid

because there's the giants living in the land. The Anakim, the Zanzumim, they're fine. the umim and that dissuades them from going in which displeases God only two of the spies bring a good report

we can do it they bring even the agriculture the grapes are even giant and then they the ten other spies say no we can't do it they bring an evil report

and God is displeased by that And that's why they get to wander for 40 years in the wilderness until that entire generation is dead. And only their kids are allowed to go in, minus those two spies that brought the good report. And Moses can't go in either. He watches from Jordan, from Mount Nebo. He sees the land, but he can't go in for a different reason. But that becomes a weed, an obstacle.

The way that this time when they come back, there is Islam, this other religious. religion that's making it difficult for them. There's always like an obstacle. It's never an empty land and it's never a peaceful entry. Every time, even in the time Nehemiah, when the Jews are freed from Babylonian captivity by God who declares the Cyrus and Messiah and declares that he's prophetically that he's going to actually freedom and then Cyrus comes and frees the Jews, they go back and they want to rebuild the temple in the city. God orders it, but it's, but it's, that is full of contention. it's it's always there's always an obstacle and this obstacle I guess would be coming from the world of these things

so in the 20th century we're like okay if it's true that we really are living in the end times if that's our proper reading of the season of history in which we're living then the idea would be that this time this whole phenomenon of the sons of god and their hybrid offspring is this time trying to affect that event. And that's really what I think took a lot of us in the 1990s to look into this stuff. Because actually we weren't interested in UFOs or hybrids or the supernatural. It was interesting. It was fascinating that it made the Bible as much more real, kind of brought it out of the

fairy tale version of Sunday school into something much more interesting. But ultimately what we were trying to crack was, are we living the second coming of Christ? that was what we're trying to crack. These were just pieces of that puzzle for us. Our focus was on that. And eventually I noticed that over the course of decades, it just became its own conversational piece. But that's not how it was treated then.

These were like just stepping stones. They were like another piece of puzzle has been fits because we were looking for the signs of the times. are we living in the times of the signs? Because that's how you know whether you're there or not. There's no date given to you, but there's an indicator. So you're told to be vigilant and observe for those indicators and not be drunk and sleep like the rest of the world, allegorically, but be diligent in looking for the signs of the times and kind of live in expectation of it.

So with all of us happening in the world, especially with the creation of nuclear weapons, the idea was, oh, well, are we, no, sooner or later we're going to start using it on each other. Obviously, we've never created a weapon that we have never used. So we're kind of like getting that dangerous place and then genetic engineering and now quantum computing and AI. And we just keep going deeper into like, you know, a world that can be really very different from anything else. So I was like, okay, let's look into this stuff. And now you suddenly are discovering the UFO. If now I'm not happening at the same time, this world comes to nation. And then you have these hybrids come.

And then you look in the narrative. What are they saying? What's their story? Oh, they are the good saviors of the world. They are the saviors. They are the pseudo-counterfeit saviors. We don't need to worry about Jesus. They're going to give us immortality eventually,

because they're going to crack the DNA code and show us how to heal ourselves from genetic disease, and we're going to get an upgrade, if scientifically, into prolonged life, and eventually maybe, you know, eternal life. Somehow, scientifically, there's a way there, and they're going to help us to the problems of the world. Okay, so that's interesting. And then technology takes a leap forward. So you got like farming. Thousands of years. We're living with farms, horses and chariots everywhere, a whole world.

And suddenly, the oldest account of the creation of hybrids goes back to like the 18, the mid-19th century, like when you start to really look into it. And you start to see that it's kind of coinciding with the birth of the industrial age. The industrial revolution begins. The power of steam is harnessed in England. And now we start to move forward really rapidly, right? And then comes World War II and the Nazis. Nazis, they're very kind of dark creatures. And they say, no, no, no, no, we're the master race.

And they want to kill the other race, the chosen people. And they're like, oh, no, no, we're going towards the 1,000-year Reich. that was the purpose of the Nazi regime to create the 1,000-year Reich. We're not going towards a 1,000-year kingdom of Jesus. Like it says in the book of Revelation, we're going through 1,000-year Reich. It's not about the Jews, it's about the master race.

And then it's a lot of occult. They're really deeply into the occult, especially the worship of Zeus. And that's why the altar of Zeus is recreated Nuremberg, and then he speaks the laws of the Holocaust from it. And then there is, this documentary that's made of Hitler,

where he is coming from a plane, like Jesus from the sky, the sense of the earth, you know, he's the savior. That doesn't, that project doesn't go well. But when the Russians and the Americans get finally to Berlin, you know, we discover this place

where they're doing this advanced technological experiments. I mean, we're talking like, there are like leaps, bounds forward from everybody else. There's like rockets. They're creating like rockets, you know, the V2 rockets. They use some of it, but they're creating much bigger rockets. They're creating jet engines, jet engines. You can Google and see all the drawings they had of airplanes that can evade radar.

I mean, it looks identical to a B2 bomber. Like that's where it came from. But this is the 1940s. And it's like they were so far ahead. They had a download. It seems like in the ancient times or the technological download. So then that's taken by the Russians and the Americans. And that's how NASA is born, the exploration of the heavens.

And, you know, if you look at that guy, I don't know why I always forget this guy's name. Did that start NASA? Sorry? The head of NASA? No. He's a rocket engineer. But he's a devil. worship. Jack Parsons. Jack Parsons. So Parsons, you know, he does all these experiments, the Babel,

tit trying to, and he says during the idea of solid fuel comes, which allows the stuff to go much further into the air, right? And Sputnik, the first thing in object thrown in the air, in Russia, is actually thrown in the air on the day of atonement in the biblical calendar, which is also the day of judgment, because those who have the blood sacrifice are atoned for, but your sins are judged. And either you're atoned for or you're condemned. It's not just a day of atonement.

It's a day of judgment. So it's like that's when they throw it. And you look at the whole space program and there's a lot of, we don't realize, there's a lot of occult spirituality involved in it. And it's foundation. It's foundation.

And it comes from the Nazis and this huge revelation they have in technological leap forward and this weird obsession to kill all the Jews and establish the 1,000-year Reich through the master race. So technology then continues to go forward, and now we're in the fourth Industrial Revolution,

which is they're telling us the mixture of biology and technology. And we've got AI and quantum computing coming. So we go from horse, buggies, and chariots, and, like, in 100 years, we have a vertical leap forward. that I've only seen when I read the stories of the birth of civilization, from like

farming to urbanization. That was also a time where all these bodies of knowledge literally appeared. And these guys that went to the libraries of Mesopotamia, they read it in all these tablaced, four cities from the south of Iraq, four Sumerian cities.

They all said they received the knowledge from the gods, and they explained in detail and sometimes the revelation process. and even writing. Why was writing given to record the words of the gods? So we could actually have the codes of civilization.

That's why you look 2,000 years north of Samaria. They didn't have writing. It wasn't like a natural thing. They only got it when they conquered the South and took it from them. And you look at King Ashroba, Nepal, in the library of Nineveh. Nineveh was an important Assyrian city

and it still exists today. You can go to Nineveh right now if you wanted to get on a plane, go to Nineveh in Iraq, but called Nineveh. And Nineveh, the story of Jonah and the whale, had a king of Shurbanipal, who again was a priest and a king,

and therefore it was obligated to study all these occult knowledge, astronomy, and everything else the religion was about. He says that the god of the scribes prepared a lexicon for him so that he could read the ancient Sumerian writings So in the south of Mesopotamia, the first civilization was that of the land of Shinar. That's where no one's sons settled to rebuild civilization.

We're told nook Genesis chapter 11. Shinar, that's a Hebrew word for it. We say Sumeria. And there's a whole story why we say Sumeria. But let's just say we say Sumerian civilization, the land of Shinar. And they had a religion there. And even though the language changed, they always kept the text in that religion, the way that some people read the Bible in Latin and others in Hebrew.

Like this is like this holy tongue. Like in the Muslims, they always, wherever they conquer, they force people to learn Arabic because the Quran was in Arabic and you had to learn the holy tongue. The holy tongue was Sumerian, but we couldn't read it. It was just like dead old language. But through the lexicon of Ashrafatimbal, we were able to read it. And that was huge.

It opened up the Sumerian text for us. And he said that the guy, the scribes, prepared that lecicon for him, said he could read it. right the land the the the the writings from before the flood but he could read it right so this this kind of transfer of knowledge is the base of civilization is something that's the marker of all civilization including the quotes but gordon child he's a student of stalin and he's an archaeologist a very influential one and they all get together in the 1920s and they're like what are we going to do with all this knowledge.

Like, it's biblical archaeology has come to life. And it involves the gods and their offspring and revelation. That's how civilization was born. And then Gordon Charles says, no, no, no. This is not. I'll tell you how it all happened. Way back then. He calls it the Neolithic Revolution.

He says there was farming that was created. How was farming created? He says that there was a caveman. And he had a moment of genius. Yes, a kudurgeny, just farming. They made one bunch of them, and then they came with farming, and then they could sit around the bonfire and talk, and that's how they came out with the rest of these bodies of knowledge.

First of all, those bodies of knowledge is way too complex. Second of all, they appear complete. We don't see building blocks. Like, we see advanced abstract mathematics in Babylon. And finally, even botanists, that's the whole different. a rapid rabbit trail, but botanists are, they don't understand how is it that we went from the wild variety of wheat and barley to the one that's domesticatedable and you can cultivate

twice a year, but yield twice a year. The speed of, if, according to the theory of evolution, the speed of change is way too fast. But God provides seed, and that's the Bible talks about that actually. So there's a whole ecosystem that appears of, of the man that has domesticated animal, the man that can farm, the man that has the seeds that can be farmed. And then civilization appears with the knowledge that's downloaded from these guys. That's what the libraries say. This is what the empirical science says. This is what the data tells us.

But then Gordon Child says, no, this is all how it. He decides for everyone. It was the Neolithic Revolution. Someone came up with farming and farmers came up with these bodies of knowledge. That then is taught in all the universities of the law. world as how civilization was born. So if you go to university, you just learning Gordon Child's theory and dismissing all this body of knowledge that would make the Bible and all of this like supernatural connection real.

So to say that this is not continuing in the 20th century, that we don't receive knowledge, that the base of all of these stuff was knowledge that was handed down. So the Nazis, the age of science, the leap forward that we have. and this would be in harmony, first of all, with this pattern of how what we have in the recorded history between us and these beings. And the knowledge is occult, and the knowledge is going against a covenants of God,

and is trying to create a world in their own image, a corrupted world, with the purpose of rebellion against God's plan. That's always the M.O. So if we plug that into this season of history, that is the end time. So if we're really headed towards a second coming of Christ,

then what's going on? What can we see? And there's more that we don't see yet. We don't understand the full purpose of it. Well, one thing is the world's going to go to war against God. That's what it says.

In the book of Joel, the book of Zacharia, the book of Revelation, and you think that's crazy. I mean, not believing in God, fine. Rebelling against God happens

every day. Going to war against Scott, like that would be insane, right? If God shows up, you know, with all those angels and you're like, okay. I want to fight. Okay, good job. Let's do it, right? And the armies of the world gather. And you think, unless, of course, reality is altered, where the whole thing is presented in the UFO clothing, where the world of angels is, and that's, that was the conjecture. in my documentary where we said, okay, this is we think where it's going. This is the great lie.

That a reversal reality is going to happen where Jesus, the way that the fallen angels, who are the gods of the ancient world, have rebranded as modern day aliens in the Darwinian scientific paradigm, is the same phenomenon, but that has the new tag for our society.

They would then extend that to Jesus and his angels, especially if the world of God and angels does involve these fiery chariots and that it's a little different than the way we'd ever imagine it before. I'm not, we don't want to reduce it to like, you know, Star Trek.

It's not like the U.S.S. Enterprise. It's not like, you know, you know, Jesus is being, you know, ascends in glory, and he's inside of like this thing with buttons. And they're like, Lord, the carburetor has a problem. We got to stop it all the century. You know, it's not like that.

but yet we don't want to turn it uniquely into like magic and diminish the actual laws of God's creation as something we can trample under our feet that are rudimentary because we know as you know believers and all of this stuff that somehow there is a greater magical world called the spiritual world where you just wiggle your nose and things happen because God's creation where we're going to hold our nose at that one no this is this is a very mistake serious thing we're inside of. We don't even understand it. Like, we don't even know where the universe is, actually, because we don't have a larger context to place it in. So we draw a blank. That's why we don't actually know where we are. We only know what God reveals to us.

I mean, if you look out the window at night, or if you turn all the lights in here, we're not going to see anything. Because our eyes don't see stuff. Our eyes only see the reflection of light. So unless we look at the world through God's word, which is a light, then we don't actually know what we're seeing. We can make it up in our imagination. I can close my eyes and imagine that I'm on an island. So these philosophies and theories and these whispers of altering the true nature of reality for us with their ideas and their religions. I mean, look at the conversation between Satan and Eve. That's the template, place of the top of scripture, of, of, of the anatomy of the lie that's going to now be extended to the sons of adam and eve to the daughters

and sons of adam and eve which is hey what did god say this okay you surely not die he reverses he inverses it and so that's why oh jesus mohammed comes and says oh jesus he wasn't the son of god he wasn't the savior there was no atonement in his blood what was he then it was a prophet oh it's true he was a prophet so satan says to eve oh you'll become like one of the gods or or god depending how you want to translate it can go either way with elohem there but these other beings that she she trusted him because she was in contact with that whole world and he was one of them and he was a high-ranking one there's no need for her to think he was lying to her and and then later god confirms that man has become like one of us knowing good from evil so so he was right

Satan, that wasn't a lie, right? And that's, that's the anatomy. You tell a lie that has a very specific purpose. Inverse the truth of God. And then attach a truth to it that makes it solid. Because that's, if it was just a lie, it'd be brittle. Its truth is what's the glue that holds it together. And that's the anatomy.

And then whenever you put that anatomy in front of your eyes and look any body of knowledge that exactly does that, you know it's from the devil. And so this idea, Jesus is coming back. Okay, he's not, he's not who the Bible says he is. Who is he then? He's an alien. Oh, an alien, okay, and you guys are the good aliens then. Of course.

That's the messaging that comes from the get-go in the 19, late 40s and early 50s, where no one even had time to research it. it came with a messaging, the saviors of the earth have arrived. Well, we already have a savior, apparently. This is according to the Bible. Therefore, that immediately puts this narrative in the conflict with that one.

Okay, the saviors of the earth have arrived. And they have hybrid offspring. And these hybrid offspring always go against the covenantal purposes of God. That's what we know. And they corrupt the earth and the earth. So how are they influencing? So one thing, this is a thing,

this is an influence operation for sure. But how exactly, when are they going to be fully activated? How deep have they gone? The latest accounts is they go to work with you and learn how it work works. They live among us now. That's for sure, 100%. What are they trying to do? When are they going to get activated?

Is Greta one of them, like you're saying, are they good enough to go into the, on TV and into politics? And we don't, you know, they look human enough and they act human enough. and they act human enough, they have enough warmth, or is it the ancient bloodlines that they created among us, the Weiden Terror system, where those bloodlines form the elites and the worshippers of Baal and somehow those are the ones that have been here much longer and they've procreated for centuries and centuries and centuries,

so they're a little more human? Are they coming after people's families, because these people they're kidnapping and abducting and using are more like the descendants of these ancient bloodlines. There's a bit of match for them to do this. It's yet as one big story, the tale of the redemption of man. This is one story. So you can connect to the pieces of it. It just transpires through time. So it's hard to tell from the information we have exactly. to pin it down and say, this is what they're doing. But when we can know is that this entire phenomenon appears on the scene of history at the time

where Israel becomes a nation and the prophecy of the Bible become literally acceptable. Like, you know, it says that God says that in Zechari 14, he gathers all the nations against Jerusalem. And then they take half the city and they rape the woman and this and that. And then God descends on the Mount of Olives. It says, and then he fights them. He fights them. And he says their eyes, you know, their eyes, you know, and their disintegrated in their tongues, something sounds like a nuclear blast or something, but not saying it is, but I'm saying that,

and then it says that all the people that survive from the people that came against Jerusalem must come and worship the king, the Lord of hosts, every single year on the Feast of Tabernacle, with a final appointed day of God's calendar system, the one that happens in the fall, which is the ingathering of the harvest, which I guess corresponds to the gathering of the nations. He's crucified on Passover, which is the first feast,

and the messianic kingdom begins on the feast of the tabernacle, according to Zachary chapter 14. This event is concrete. This prophecy of the whole chapter is super detailed. Secretary 14, never happened before on the stage of history.

You can spiritualize it all you want and say, well, the temple is destroyed, and the Holy Spirit came and went to the nations. That's what it was really talking about. It doesn't match it at all. It's so detailed, so incredibly detail, earthquake, details, details.

And so if this is really where history is headed, then these guys, why are they giving us all this technological leap forward? If knowledge boosts are actually given to us throughout history, codes of

civilization, then that would mean they're preparing us for the War of Angels. They're giving us the technology needed to actually be able to pull that war off and wait until we get AI and quantum mechanics

or quantum computing and all that stuff. We don't even know how this is going to change the world. I don't understand it. It's not my area of specialty, but I'm told over and over again it's going to change the world more than the internet did. And I was here for that. You were.

Yeah, yeah. So I know that much, you know. You were talking about Google video. Right. I forgot about that. I was like, oh, it wasn't always YouTube. That's right. I forgot about that.

Man, so essentially the hybridization, the modern Nephilim building today is intertwined with the advancements of technology and information and knowledge to, I would say your, your maybe theory or thoughts are that it's to gear up humanity in deception for a final battle. Yes, and on the way to that, to create the pre-deluvian civilization. So Jesus was told that it'll be like the days of Noah when he was asked to talk about the end of the age in Matthew chapter 24. Why did he say that? So in the Hebrew way of reading the Bible, like his disciples, the rabbis, you know, asked themselves the question, like, why is there all this history in our holy books? Like, why isn't just God, temple, worship, laws? And one of the answers they came up with was that these were, these were the ages of history that were pregnant with a future age.

They were small templates of future ages. Like when Jesus says, when you see the abomination of desolation, appear spoken of by Daniel the prophet, you know, leaves Judea, he's going back to the story of Antiochus Epiphanes, where this man comes, Antiochus Epiphanes, and he says to the Jews, like, this is when the Jews are subject to Greeks, to the Hellenistic Empire.

And the Romans and the Babylonians destroy the temple and stop the worship of God and that kind of thing. But the Greeks take a different approach. They hellenize the Jews. They say, you know what? How about philosophy? How about the worship of the gods? And eventually they adopt these things.

They wear togas. They stop eating kosher food. There's even a surgery that some of them do to reverse their circumcisions. And then they, this high priest doesn't play ball with Antiochus Epiphanes, who's the Greek ruler of that area. And so he changes the high priest.

He puts a new high priest in. That takes a Greek name, Jason. And that high priest, they, they decreed. They say, you know what, the Bible can't be read anymore. They read the Bible every week, and they divided the books of Moses. They say they can read it anymore. So if you go, today, all the synagogues and the whole planet Earth read exactly the same chapter and verse every week. And it's called a parcia, which means division, the divisions of the Bible.

But with that, they read a passage from the prophets in the vein. Why? Because in this time where the Bible is forbidden to be read, you couldn't read the books of Moses. These scholars, they said, okay, what can we find in the prophets, which are kind of the books of Moses outline, like brought out and explained as it unfold through history, which passages correspond to what we used to read when we were allowed to? Let's read that. So we stay on track. Now those two are read together every week and everything all in the world, every year over and over again. So what happens is that the Greeks, they start to bring spiritual darkness into the land. And then they forbid the reading of the Bible.

Then they say you've got to sacrifice to the gods. Then Antiochus Epiphanes comes and he then goes into the Holy of Holies where no one was allowed to go other than the High Priest on Day of Atonement where the presence of God would descend in the time of the

first temple, starting with the day was inaugurated by Solomon the presence of God descends into it the glory, Shakinah. He goes in there and then he erects a idol to Zeus in the Holy of Holies because he was the

worship of Zeus. And then on the altar, the sacrificial altar, he sacrifices a pig. And that shuts the temple down until a priestly family, Judah Maccabee rebels and says, no, this is not acceptable. And even though they're a bunch of hillbillies, like they literally live in the hills of Judea

and they're like militias, they decide to take on the greatest army in the world, which was like the Greek army of Antiochus, which was divided into phalanx, which is the basis of the legion. and the way our armies are today divided. And so they're very organized and like a professional military. And they defeat them.

And they reestablish the temple. They rekindle the light of the temple. And that's called rededication, the Hanukkah. And Jesus attends the rededication feast in John chapter 10. So this whole thing of coming in and of looking at history, and Jesus says, Daniel had prophesied all of this. That this was going to happen.

And then it happened. And everyone thought it was done. And then Jesus comes and says, no, no, this was a template of a future event. This is going to happen again. And when you see it happen again, run away from Judea. Something bad is going to happen. So over and over again, the story of the Passover, for instance, you are, let's say, you're, Jesus takes the third cup of wine.

of the Passover ritual meal, the satyr, and he assigns it to himself because the third cup of wine represented the lamb's blood in the story of the Passover that was put on the people's doors. He takes that third cup of one. He'll have to stop. He says, this is my blood,

making himself the Passover lamb. And so the story of Passover suddenly was a small allegory for the story of redemption. It was a historical event. But then it's also a bit about the end of days. Why? Because you've got, you've got like the pharaoh, like the Antichrist figure, the servant of the gods, in full authority over the people of God who are hoping and waiting for a

redeemer. And so these are, the idea was that they saw these historical accounts in the Bible as being small templates of future history. And the idea was you asked yourself, which age am I living in which one of these ages that I'm reading in the Bible matches best the age that I am living in? Because it's happening cyclically in some ways. And so Jesus says it'll be like the days of Noah.

He picks that age out when they ask me about the end of the age. And the days of Noah, was the nays of the pre-deluvian civilization, where these guys were in full control, and they had created a very advanced civilization through the giving of knowledge, right out of the Garden of Eden,

the connection between man and these beings was much more pronounced. Humans themselves were living hundreds of years, and they had their hybrid offspring ruling it, and there was like several capitals. If you Google M-U-M-U, the island of Mew, or Mu archaeology you'll see off the coast of Taiwan

under the ground in the ocean, in the sea there are giant pyramid structures. I mean, there's many of them. It's a whole city and the cutting like it's like you need laser to cut that precisely. You need something

this is not a chisel. This is not it's like and that was one of the capitals apparently that's the submerged. so. And so they created an entire world. The days of Noah was a very, you know, it's a reference to an entire age of history that was like, you know, Atlantis like. So on the way to this, once the full technology is over us, and once we plug in, like we're plugged into our phones, and then with the Nazis, so the Nazi thing starts in the 19th century with spiritualism

and eventually they need a guide to manifest their religious occult beliefs on the stage of history and that's what fearer means, the feurer, it means the guide. He is the one that will do. So eventually once this religion is formed, Islam might have some piece of it as well. Marxism is a religion, people don't realize it. Wokism is its application of the school system. People think it's about the means of production. It's not. That's only the first stage.

To detach you from the material world, the belief is to then prepare you to receive the spiritual ordinances of Marxism. It's a psychospiritual, socio-spiritual experiment, and a rebellion against God. That's the genesis of it. Marx says, we have to rebel against God

and religion that's oppressing us. So that's why it works so, well with Islam, this left and weird thing, because they both are trying to replace the biblical program and the Messianic kingdom with a different utopia. And so whatever this religion is going to be at the end is going to need another guide. It's going to need a guy who's going to be its manifestation. So they're, I think, trying to recreate the prediluvian civilization on the way to the final confrontation once they have us all. So definitely the hybrid program is, a piece of this puzzle of the rebellion against a tale of redemption contextualized for this season

of history, which may be the end times. That's incredible. That's incredible. Wow. Allie. I have zero questions right now. I have, what I want to do, though, is take a break and then you and I can do another recording. But this was wild.

and the fact that the hybridization idea is just a small piece of this and that the idea that there's this final battle coming and the reverse technology it's almost like

reverse psychology on mankind with this and getting them tricking them it's just it's wild and some of speculated that some of these hybrids may feel the fields of Armageddon wow So we'll have to see.

Well, man, we'll soldier it. Right? If people want to see me, my documentary UFOs, Angels and Gods was released in 2006. Yeah. It's on my website. You can watch it for free.

And you can leave a donation. I appreciate that. If you click on the donate button down, and join me for my Patreon. So all the links are there. But, you know, it's still, I think people call it an evergreen because the story that I tell

is still valid. and all the piece of the puzzle are there. Yeah. So you can watch it and kind of see, see the story told to you and all the evidence. And you'll see all of Jacobs' research. You'll see all the drawings. You know, you, and then you'll see, you know,

Chuck Missler explain it. He's a Bible scholar. And you'll see kind of, you know, footage and lot tons of UFO footage. So you'll kind of get a glimpse of that. And I can have someone give it, but it's good to watch it. It's good to watch it. But it's kind of made at a time where you could,

you know, this stuff was new, and there was like not barely anyone to interview, you know, so you'll see, like, sometimes you'll be like typing appears and, and it's like ideas are spoken, because that was me. I was like, okay, I'm putting the pieces together, you know, and I guess I have to inject, you know, my ideas in there to glue it in together because I'm the researcher and, you know, coming, but that, but the idea is like it's held and it's held the test of time and other researchers have come and confirmed because you don't want to be the only guy. You want other people to agree independently because that's how you know it's from the Holy Spirit. Sure. If you're the only one saying it, it's like, okay, but if, you know, other people

who are, you know, have a relationship with God and are meditating on these things, come with the same ideas, then you know, okay, I am onto something here because we're all receiving the same, like, warning, you know? This, phenomenon is actually dark. And yes, God's angels use this stuff as well. And there's, you can look at the word Elohim in the Bible, which I did at that time and explain it. The world, the, the, in English, we have this concept of fallen angels and angels.

But in the actual Bible, there is worth, the word fallen angel doesn't exist. That's the word of Christian culture. The word in the Bible, they're called the sons of God. God, Bene He Elohim, but also called the gods of the nations, which is the word Elohim, for the gods of the nations, plural. But that word is also used for God.

And it's also used for the angels of God and the chariots of God, the Rechav Elohim, the vehicles of Elohim. So both sides use, the world of angels, has, these guys are playing a role to corrupt and create image

bearers and their own religion and the battle against the tale of redemption, the covenantal system of God in every different season of history, including the age of the second coming, but they're drawing from a common world of which we are a part of as well. And so it kind of altered my understanding of the world of God and angels as well. You know, that was a big part of it. So watch the documentary, UFOs Angels and Gods. Yeah, absolutely.

And that's kind of very, if you think about, I don't know, like say a state, in the United States, say Texas, separates itself from America. From the Yankee Republic. Yeah, exactly. They're going to still have the technology and the abilities to fight and to all the things that the rest of the states have. They're separate, but they're the same now. Exactly.

They're the same, they're the same, but they're separate now. Right. That's a good example. Of course, God's mysteries are far more advanced. Sure. And the angels are. But, you know, so there's layers. and that's, I mean, this is insane for them to go to war against God, no matter how you look at,

no matter how much, you know, knowledge and technology they have. They think they're very crafty, but God holds back a lot. You thought you knew all the mysteries, but you didn't. Sure. God's holding back mysteries from them. Even the story of like the cross, where God explains the whole tale of redemption in the old Testament, but hides it. Not only from, you know, his own people,

who understand the Messiah, the ruler, but they don't quite, they don't have the same grasp. Even though there's a lot of writings about the suffering servant, there was also this idea there was two messiahs, Ben Yosef and Ben David, one that will be the suffering one, one that will be the ruling one, the idea that was the same guy. But he also God hides it from the fallen angels. So the enemy thinks,

I'm going to offer you the kingdom. him. And when he says, no, how did he take him up, by the way, to show him all the kings of the earth? But anyways, so he says, no. And then he goes into plan B, I'll kill him. I'll kill him so that I can put my own guy on the throne of the world. I already have my own guy. I already choose my own guys. He says, I have dominion over all the kingdoms of the earth, and I'll give them to whomever I will. And that's how these guys were chosen and ruled. But you've got Israel. give you the world if you worship me. And when he says, no, you know,

it's written only worship God sitting behind me. He goes into plan B. I'll kill him and I'll put my own guy in the throne of Israel and on the throne of the world. And, but when he kills him, what does he do? He unleashes the plan of redemption. He actually undoes his own work.

So that was hidden from him. That all of that was written plain in the Bible. Even though he quotes the Bible, you quote Psalm 90 to Jesus. It's written. if you throw yourself down, the angel is going to catch you. He actually understands that the Psalm 90

is about the Messiah. So he's reading the Bible. The devil's reading the Bible. Coats to him. But he can't see the plan of redemption. So God's mysteries, you know, are profound and deep. And even when spelled out, he can hold you from seeing it

until it's done, until the devil thinks he's actually going to kill the Lord. It's actually undoing his own planet, you know? The story of, the tale of Narnia, the story of Narnia, where Peter has been taken captive by the witch and the witch says, I'll let him go. Aslan says, let him go, you know, I'm the one you want. The type of Christ, the lion in that story. And Aslan comes and he says to Peter, to the witch,

okay, let Peter go, I'll die. I'll give myself to you. And then you're done, right? And then the witch's like, you will? And Aslan's like, yeah. So then she takes him, puts him on the sacrificial altar and kills Aslan. But the next morning, the altar is broken, and Aslan's come back from the dead. And the witch is confused. And then Aslan says, you thought you understood all the laws of Narnia. But I was there when they were written. to the idea is that, you know,

so that if an innocent blood is sacrificed on this moon, that a-da-da-da, comes back to life, that's the story there. But the point is that, you know, these guys, they don't understand all that God has. Obviously, there's something about them. They're not the image-bearers of God. Even though they're called the sons of God,

and that's why they can have relations with us, and that's why they can connect their DNA to us, you know, because obviously we have this common origin, And maybe when God manifested in the universe, he has a body underneath the light. And so there is a common source that can connect. It's very controversial to say that or think that. But that's what the only logical conclusion is. Why can the sons of God and us have children together?

Obviously, there must be a common DNA. And where do that common DNA come from? And why are they called the sons of God and we're called the sons of God? Right? All of creation mounts and groans and expectation of the revelation of the sons of God. Paul says. That's us. So, so basically, you know, you read like old letters written by pastors, you know, like from the English world, like Spurgeon. He was a Baptist pastor, you know, pastor from England, you know, reading his letters. He signs, you know, he says, well, I would

ask all the sons of God to pray for me today because I'm sick or something. That's what he calls the church, the sons of God, right? So, so this whole thing, They think they've got it all figured out. They don't. But what they have is the power of deception. What they have is the power of the counterfeit of drawing from the things of God. And so the idea is here not to simply warn and scare people, but to invite people into understanding the love that God has for us and the tale of mercy and redemption and the fact that God really intends beautiful things for us. He wants the best for us for our lives.

That's what love means. But he's put us inside of his story through which we are being shaped like clay in his hands. When you have a pot, that pot takes, is dead. It doesn't have consciousness. You shape it any way you want. But us as clay, we have been given consciousness. And when our consciousness comes into wakefulness,

God then communicates to it. His laws are true identity. He provides us the historical context. We need to understand ourselves and what's the meaning of life and who we really are in this great story and who he is. And as we respond to all of this, we continue to shape as clay in the hand of God. It's interactive. We respond to the commandments and word of God and teachings of God and the whole enchilada, from laws to relationship to spiritual connection to history, to prophecy.

All of it is needed to understand life and ourselves. who got us. And that's how we are shaped. And if God took us to the end of the story, the turning of the page, then we wouldn't develop our character to become. So we are actually not formed yet. We are still in the womb. We are being created still. This is the story of how we are being completed. The earth, the planet Earth, is the incubation chamber of the immortal sons of God, who have a role in the future of the universe. And this is the story, this conflict is part of the mechanism

of our formation. But so it's a good, so we have to really invite people to the deeper mystery of understanding you know, who God is, who we are really, what's really going on, why the importance of redemption,

and the connection, the spiritual connection to God's love, but also the actual physical reality. It's not about scaring people, and evil is on a leash. It's not like out of bound. It's about, you know, just having the clues

and the piece of the puzzle that brings the story to life for us that makes it real for us because we live in an age where we need some of that. And so I hope that this has helped people understand better. I go to my website,

think again, Productions.com. Awesome, man. I appreciate being here. You're welcome. It was so great to be with you. I really enjoyed the conversation. It was more like a monologue.

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